From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Sat Mar  1 00:34:45 2008
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks)
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:34:45 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] HTML mail (was: exact match using grep)
In-Reply-To: <030120080509.18507.47C8E50D0005E5BC0000484B22058860140B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>
References: <030120080509.18507.47C8E50D0005E5BC0000484B22058860140B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1204353285.15788.248.camel@localhost>

On Sat, 2008-03-01 at 05:09 +0000, auditodd at comcast.net wrote:
> Plain text email, html email, top post, bottom post... 
> Who cares? 
> 
> I sure as the heck don't as long as the 'ideas' get through. 

That's true.  I'm just glad this isn't a list about mathematics,
physics, engineering, or chemistry.  Where's that Sigma key again?

-- 
Mike Hicks <hick0088 at tc.umn.edu>
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From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu  Sat Mar  1 00:42:06 2008
From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks)
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 00:42:06 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] SSH's "Password:" prompt
In-Reply-To: <200802281401.20465.thecubic@thecubic.net>
References: <1204210125.15788.32.camel@localhost>
	<200802281401.20465.thecubic@thecubic.net>
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On Thu, 2008-02-28 at 14:01 -0600, Dave Carlson wrote:
> if you override that (in your ~/.ssh/config) to:
> 
> PreferredAuthentications ?gssapi-with-mic, hostbased, publickey, password, 
> keyboard-interactive?
> 
> it will prefer the longer over the shorter.

Thanks!  Though it turned out the systems in question also needed their
sshd_config files tweaked:

        # Change to yes to enable built-in password authentication.
        #PasswordAuthentication no

I had to uncomment that, change it to 'yes', and HUP sshd.  Admittedly,
I know I'd seen that in the file once before and scratched my head a bit
since I'd been able to log in successfully with that disabled.
Definitely not what the average person would expect...

As for using SSH keypairs, yeah, it looks like I'll start doing that
too.  I hadn't really gotten into it before because, well, I was using
PuTTY.  Despite working on a FreeBSD-based product, there's very little
penetration of anything Unix-like on the desktops where I am, unless you
count Cygwin.  (I finally damned the torpedoes and put Ubuntu on a
former XP box -- Internet Explorer had gotten hosed, and the machine
maintained an extremely unhappy relationship with Windows Update after I
attempted a reinstall.  Needless to say, I'm now much more productive
when doing lots of shell-based stuff.)

-- 
Mike Hicks <hick0088 at tc.umn.edu>
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From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Sat Mar  1 01:10:40 2008
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 01:10:40 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] exact match using grep
In-Reply-To: <1204332767.15788.113.camel@localhost>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0802280040140.23563@Rooster>
	<47C82FE3.7090705@gmail.com> <web-8725054@mailback1.g2host.com>
	<1204332767.15788.113.camel@localhost>
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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, Mike Hicks wrote:

> On Fri, 2008-02-29 at 12:16 -0600, Don Sparish wrote:
>> Is Solaris Ass Backward or what.
>>
>> I can get an exact string match in AIX, Linux, HPUX but not in
>> SlowLaris.
>
> Please define "exact string match".  I thought that was what grep
> usually does...  Do you want to match an entire line?  A substring
> bounded by some sort of delimeter (a colon, comma, or similar)?

[snip]


> I agree with Mike Miller -- if your /usr/xpg4/bin/grep is not accepting
> '-E', '-x', or '-w' at all, then it's a broken binary.


Thanks for all the other Solaris info that I did not repeat in this reply. 
They guy wasn't all that competent as some of you noticed.  In fact, the 
reason for his problems (he admitted to me) was that he was using 
backticks to enclose the pattern:

grep `pattern` file

He called them "graven quotes."  His report of his error messages might 
have been inaccurate.

Anyway, he asked me how to unsubscribe and I told him to follow the link 
at the bottom of his message, so he may be gone now.

Mike


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Sat Mar  1 01:25:57 2008
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 01:25:57 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] HTML mail (was: exact match using grep)
In-Reply-To: <13639.192.168.0.7.1204330706.squirrel@www.flyballdogs.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0802280040140.23563@Rooster>
	<200802291230.52810.samir.nassar+tclug@steamedpenguin.com>
	<47C85FE4.5080908@gmail.com>
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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, Kathryn Hogg wrote:

> I run an email list for a hobby of mine that has many, many technically 
> illiterate subscribers.  I run the list with ecartis and have it 
> configured to convert html to plain text and strip attachments.  Its 
> saved me many headaches dealing with the countless AOL and Outlook (aka 
> Microsoft Virus Server) users.
>
> I also have really tight quoting limits to catch the top posters and 
> will just strip out the quoted parts of top posted messages in their 
> entirety. Haven't had a single "me too!" followed by a copy of the daily 
> digest in some time.

Brilliant.  But does it piss people off ever?  They send attachments that 
don't get through.  Or do you have a way of automatically posting them to 
a web site?

Mike


From danyberg at gmail.com  Sat Mar  1 01:37:16 2008
From: danyberg at gmail.com (swede)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 01:37:16 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] KVM switch's and linux
Message-ID: <5daafeb10802292337r1575d64ew22519756f5b183e9@mail.gmail.com>

>
>
> > Any good recommendations on this?
> >
> > Supposedly the OS shouldn't really matter. But I've had issues with the
> > screen not coming back up after switching back and forth.
> >
> > I have a Compaq one, maybe I just got unlucky.
>

I have an IOGear PS/2 KVM on my two desktops, running XP and F8, and it
works flawlessly.   My wife has the same thing but USB - PS/2 for her laptop
and desktop and it works fine with Windows, haven't tried it (yet) with
linux.  I bought mine because it was the cheapest model on sale, and it's
been working for us.

That's my recommendation if you are just using two computers.

Dave
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From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Sat Mar  1 01:52:49 2008
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 01:52:49 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] HTML mail
In-Reply-To: <1204344329.15788.205.camel@localhost>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0802280040140.23563@Rooster>
	<200802291412.51926.samir.nassar+tclug@steamedpenguin.com>
	<47C87A76.2060102@gmail.com>
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	<1204344329.15788.205.camel@localhost>
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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, Mike Hicks wrote:

> On Fri, 2008-02-29 at 17:31 -0600, Mike Miller wrote:
>
>> Can anyone tell me why it would be better for this message (for 
>> example) to be expressed in *both* plain text and HTML formats? 
>> People often do that these days but I think it is obviously not good. 
>> If that were to become conventional, what an annoyance -- it wastes 
>> bandwidth and disk space and causes some problems in managing email 
>> archives.  To compensate for these problems it offers no real 
>> advantages.
>
> Heh, well, I'm nominally all for proportional fonts instead of 
> monospace, except when required.  I mean, we're not talking on teletypes 
> here.

But monospace is clearly better whenever you try to lay something out in 
columns, or you type out a little flow chart or graph.  When is 
proportional better?  The answer is that it offers almost no advantage.


> You used *this* for emphasis, when bold or italic might have been more 
> obvious.

Barely.  It would add 5 characters to change "**" into "<b></b>" but that 
is just the start of the waste -- after that your program will probably 
add all sorts of crap into the file.  By the time you've made the full 
transition from plain text to some braindead HTML document, your change 
from "**" into "<b></b>" might cost you several thousand characters.  And 
do you really think that anyone won't know what *this* means?


> There's also the ability to embed links rather than typing in a URL and
> worrying whether someone's client is going to interpret
> [http://somehost.com/] or (http://somehost.com/) in a way that ignores
> the trailing ']' or ')' (right now as I type, I see that Evolution has
> determined my trailing ')' is part of the URL, and it also shows some
> other weirdness).  Then again, every method I've seen for creating URLs
> is error-prone in some fashon.

That is a minor advantage of HTML, but I just avoid trouble by putting 
URLs on their own line like this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Html

...in my messages.  I think that makes it very easy to copy the URL if it 
wasn't made clickable by the receiving MUA.  Putting the URL in 
parentheses or brackets, or adding a period at the end of it is always an 
unnecessarily risky thing to do.


> Still, HTML mail has a lot of drawbacks.

Now you're talking!  ;-)

Seriously, HTML mail is a good thing if used appropriately and written 
decently.  I'm not really against it.  I'm just against abusing it.

Mike


From danyberg at gmail.com  Sat Mar  1 02:03:27 2008
From: danyberg at gmail.com (swede)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 02:03:27 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] HTML mail
Message-ID: <5daafeb10803010003h6d7f83eer521330ccfce5aec4@mail.gmail.com>

Message: 4
Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:28:01 -0600
From: "Isaac Atilano" <aristophrenic at warpmail.net>
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] HTML mail (was: exact match using grep)
To: "Don Sparish" <dalan at visi.com>, tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Message-ID: <1204327681.11383.1239913791 at webmail.messagingengine.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"


On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:43:20 -0600, "Don Sparish" <dalan at visi.com> said:
> Since it seems to annoy him so much I'll just keep on using it.

If Isaac hadn't quoted you, I'd never know what you said.

>
>
> So, must suck to be you...
>

No, not really



>
>
> I used the client I had access to at the time, there is no way to shut off
> html on it. Asked nicely or not won't really change that.
>
> No it won't, but for those of us that get the digest version, we don't see
anything except that you tried to send a message and it didn't get through.

And we can't respond if we can't read it.

Dave

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From kjh at flyballdogs.com  Sat Mar  1 06:43:46 2008
From: kjh at flyballdogs.com (Kathryn Hogg)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 06:43:46 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] HTML mail (was: exact match using grep)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0803010124210.7737@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0802280040140.23563@Rooster>
	<200802291230.52810.samir.nassar+tclug@steamedpenguin.com>
	<47C85FE4.5080908@gmail.com>
	<200802291412.51926.samir.nassar+tclug@steamedpenguin.com>
	<web-8726893@mailback1.g2host.com>
	<47C82D1B.9048.009E.0@health.state.mn.us>
	<863AEF82B4124B84997D12D588B41B95@sparish.local>
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Mike Miller wrote:
> Brilliant.  But does it piss people off ever?  They send attachments that
> don't get through.  Or do you have a way of automatically posting them to
> a web site?

Sometimes they may be slightly annoyed but they are very appreciative that
in 13 years there has never been a single virus disseminated via the list
and only 1 spam. There has been no migration away from my list (its still
by the far the biggest and busiest in the subject domain) so it can't be
bothering people that much.

-- 
Kathryn
http://womensfooty.com


From dniesen at gmail.com  Sat Mar  1 10:23:51 2008
From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 10:23:51 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Good place in the metro for random power adapters?
Message-ID: <47f4d5e70803010823l14c24664tda9806197ecf337b@mail.gmail.com>

I've got a Samsung SyncMaster 240T that's missing a power supply and Radio
Shack doesn't seem to carry an adapter for it.  It's a 14V @ 6A AC->DC
adapter with a 4-prong plug.

Anyone know where I might find something like this locally?  So far the only
place I've seen online is eBay for the monitor specifically so my hope is
that I can find something similar or a universal type adapter.


-- 
Donovan Niesen
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From johntrammell at gmail.com  Sat Mar  1 14:41:43 2008
From: johntrammell at gmail.com (John Trammell)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 14:41:43 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Good place in the metro for random power
	adapters?
In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70803010823l14c24664tda9806197ecf337b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47f4d5e70803010823l14c24664tda9806197ecf337b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68dbb6fe0803011241t1d682eebj1bd79fe2e12084aa@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Donovan <dniesen at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've got a Samsung SyncMaster 240T that's missing a power supply and Radio
> Shack doesn't seem to carry an adapter for it.  It's a 14V @ 6A AC->DC
> adapter with a 4-prong plug.
>
> Anyone know where I might find something like this locally?  So far the only
> place I've seen online is eBay for the monitor specifically so my hope is
> that I can find something similar or a universal type adapter.

Last time I was at Materials Processing in Eagan they had a big box of
miscellaneous power adapters.  Worth a try.

J


From terry99 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  1 17:55:47 2008
From: terry99 at gmail.com (Terry Houle)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 17:55:47 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Advice on a new Laptop with Ubunto installed ?
Message-ID: <cafffc7431ea498e62f2f9f5f161d962@gmail.com>

I am considering buying a new laptop with only Linux pre-installed on 
it.  I am planning on going with Ubunto.

Wondering peoples thoughts on various laptop brands?


Ones in consideration now are

1)  	 	
Inspiron 1525N
Intel? Core? 2 Duo T5450 (1.66GHz/667Mhz FSB/2MB cache), Ubuntu Linux 
version 7.10 		

2) System 76 machine


Any thoughts on these or other brands for the positives and negatives.


All input appreciated.




Terry Houle


Help save Mother Earth
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From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com  Sat Mar  1 19:17:02 2008
From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (Robert De Mars)
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 19:17:02 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Mail archiving follow up
In-Reply-To: <47C8522E.4010509@lctn.org>
References: <47C8522E.4010509@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <47CA000E.1060808@b-o-b.homelinux.com>

Raymond Norton wrote:
> I made a couple posts in the recent past on mail archiving. Postfix was 
> pretty simple, but sendmail was more evasive. I have it working now, 
> and  wrote a simple howto, based on "copyuser". I can email it or post 
> it for whoever is interested.
> 
> We are using Mailarchiva (free version) to archive all mail on the 
> server now.
> 
> Raymond
> 
> 

You should forward you docs to The Linux Documentation project.

http://tldp.org/

Bob De Mars


From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com  Sat Mar  1 19:22:20 2008
From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (Robert De Mars)
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 19:22:20 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] HTML mail
In-Reply-To: <47C82D1B.9048.009E.0@health.state.mn.us>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0802280040140.23563@Rooster>	<200802291230.52810.samir.nassar+tclug@steamedpenguin.com>	<47C85FE4.5080908@gmail.com>	<200802291412.51926.samir.nassar+tclug@steamedpenguin.com>	<web-8726893@mailback1.g2host.com>
	<47C82D1B.9048.009E.0@health.state.mn.us>
Message-ID: <47CA014C.30407@b-o-b.homelinux.com>

Troy.A Johnson wrote:
> Hi Don,
> 
> Annoying others is not the goal of this email list.
> 
> And if you need someone to ask you nicely to stop using
> HTML email on this email list, I certainly will:
> 
> Please stop senting HTML email to this email list.
> 
> Thank you for your kind consideration,
> 
> Troy Johnson
> 

Good Job!


From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com  Sat Mar  1 19:25:51 2008
From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (Robert De Mars)
Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 19:25:51 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] WPA2 encryption
In-Reply-To: <010701c87b4a$91623d30$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0802280040140.23563@Rooster><006f01c87a37$ea895d80$bf9c1880$@com>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0802281306340.26947@Rooster>
	<010701c87b4a$91623d30$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>
Message-ID: <47CA021F.2080109@b-o-b.homelinux.com>

Andrew von Nagy wrote:
>>> Try searching on wpa_supplicant.
>> NOW we're talking. Thanks! You too. Munir (:
> 
> wpa_supplicant works, but is an extreme pain to configure via command line
> and the config file. 

It's really not that bad.  I have notes on how to do this no problem.

Bob

I run debian with gnome network manager and it works
> really well. You can select a network if it's within range and the SSID is
> broadcast in the beacons. If SSID broadcast is turned off, you can also
> select an option to manually configure the network, including encryption and
> authentication types. It stores the passphrase or hex key in the keyring
> manager automatically.
> 
> As for which cards work well, I usually point people in the direction of any
> Atheros based chipset since they have great Linux support and are great for
> network auditing. If you're in the market to buy one new, check out the
> Ubiquiti SuperRange Cardbus or SuperRange eXpress.
> 
> Regards,
> Andrew
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



From dalan at visi.com  Sun Mar  2 00:11:26 2008
From: dalan at visi.com (Don)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 00:11:26 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] HTML mail
In-Reply-To: <47CA014C.30407@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0802280040140.23563@Rooster>	<200802291230.52810.samir.nassar+tclug@steamedpenguin.com>	<47C85FE4.5080908@gmail.com>	<200802291412.51926.samir.nassar+tclug@steamedpenguin.com>	<web-8726893@mailback1.g2host.com><47C82D1B.9048.009E.0@health.state.mn.us>
	<47CA014C.30407@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
Message-ID: <8154A38B58EC4A4298CEF856515C3371@sparish.local>

As said before, but apparently you didn't read this.. 

I used the client I had access to at the time, there is no way to shut off
html on it. Asked nicely or not won't really change the fact that the client
I had at the time doesn't offer that feature.

-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Robert De Mars
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 7:22 PM
Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] HTML mail

Troy.A Johnson wrote:
> Hi Don,
> 
> Annoying others is not the goal of this email list.
> 
> And if you need someone to ask you nicely to stop using
> HTML email on this email list, I certainly will:
> 
> Please stop senting HTML email to this email list.
> 
> Thank you for your kind consideration,
> 
> Troy Johnson
> 

Good Job!

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



From jwreese0 at comcast.net  Sun Mar  2 17:03:01 2008
From: jwreese0 at comcast.net (John reese)
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 17:03:01 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Advice on a new Laptop with Ubunto installed ?
Message-ID: <1204498981.13030.19.camel@linux-local>

Terry,

I have had two Dell Inspiron 1420s with Ubuntu 7.10 pre-installed. I was
happy with both machines, but here's what I recommend should you decide
to go this route:

-Get at least 2 GB of RAM. CPU speed probably isn't important for most
users so there's an opportunity to save a lot of money.
-Get the 9-cell battery.
-Don't get the Blue-ray DVD option. For whatever reason, some of the
live CD kernels don't like it.
-Throw away the Ubuntu install disk sent with the laptop. Neither disk
sent with each of my two laptops worked for me. In each case, I
re-installed from downloaded ISOs with no problem.
-If you love Gnome, fine. If you like KDE, don't bother to upgrade from
Gnome to KDE (Kubuntu) on the Inspiron; both times I ended up with ugly
fonts, clunky icons, sort of a mess. Just re-install from your Gutsy ISO
and go directly to Kubuntu. The default desktop setup (fonts, icons,
screen resolution) looks great.
-Get an Nvidia video card and use the free proprietary drivers. It's
worth the expense. Get the glossy high-def screen option to take
advantage of it.
-Don't upgrade network card management with Synaptic or Adept. Your
network services will re-set in the middle of downloading and installing
packages, leaving you with broken packages and a serious desire to
reboot.

That's about it. Good luck with your new laptop.

JR



From kcbnac at gmail.com  Sun Mar  2 17:35:30 2008
From: kcbnac at gmail.com (Keith Bachman)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 17:35:30 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Advice on a new Laptop with Ubunto installed ?
In-Reply-To: <1204498981.13030.19.camel@linux-local>
References: <1204498981.13030.19.camel@linux-local>
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If you order any, compare RAM upgrade rates against Newegg - I ordered
2 1GB sticks for the 1505N I'm typing on now for $80 a year ago, while
Dell wanted $200 for the same upgrade.  I also passed on a HD upgrade
for $125 (from 80GB to 160GB) - I didn't need the space at first, and
now if I need it, I can get a 250GB for that price.

Like JR, I suggest getting the bigger battery - 9 cell, and I get 4
1/2 hours on it.  Don't forget a bluetooth module, they can be tricky
to find later, if you might want it down the road.

-Keith

On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 5:03 PM, John reese <jwreese0 at comcast.net> wrote:
> Terry,
>
>  I have had two Dell Inspiron 1420s with Ubuntu 7.10 pre-installed. I was
>  happy with both machines, but here's what I recommend should you decide
>  to go this route:
>
>  -Get at least 2 GB of RAM. CPU speed probably isn't important for most
>  users so there's an opportunity to save a lot of money.
>  -Get the 9-cell battery.
>  -Don't get the Blue-ray DVD option. For whatever reason, some of the
>  live CD kernels don't like it.
>  -Throw away the Ubuntu install disk sent with the laptop. Neither disk
>  sent with each of my two laptops worked for me. In each case, I
>  re-installed from downloaded ISOs with no problem.
>  -If you love Gnome, fine. If you like KDE, don't bother to upgrade from
>  Gnome to KDE (Kubuntu) on the Inspiron; both times I ended up with ugly
>  fonts, clunky icons, sort of a mess. Just re-install from your Gutsy ISO
>  and go directly to Kubuntu. The default desktop setup (fonts, icons,
>  screen resolution) looks great.
>  -Get an Nvidia video card and use the free proprietary drivers. It's
>  worth the expense. Get the glossy high-def screen option to take
>  advantage of it.
>  -Don't upgrade network card management with Synaptic or Adept. Your
>  network services will re-set in the middle of downloading and installing
>  packages, leaving you with broken packages and a serious desire to
>  reboot.
>
>  That's about it. Good luck with your new laptop.
>
>  JR
>
>
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>  TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>  tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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>


From dave at sherohman.org  Mon Mar  3 10:44:22 2008
From: dave at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 10:44:22 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] HTML mail
In-Reply-To: <8154A38B58EC4A4298CEF856515C3371@sparish.local>
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On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 12:11:26AM -0600, Don wrote:
> As said before, but apparently you didn't read this.. 
> 
> I used the client I had access to at the time, there is no way to shut off
> html on it. Asked nicely or not won't really change the fact that the client
> I had at the time doesn't offer that feature.

Had you said that in the first place, I suspect you would've gotten a
lot less flack than you earned by saying "I'm going to be a jackass and
post in HTML just to annoy people."

The condescending tone with which you choose to address those who point
out the jackassery of saying you're going to do something for the sole
purpose of annoying others is merely the icing on the cake.

-- 
News aggregation meets world domination.  Can you see the fnews?
http://seethefnews.com/


From dalan at visi.com  Mon Mar  3 12:02:52 2008
From: dalan at visi.com (Don Sparish)
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:02:52 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] HTML mail
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From thoth.serath at gmail.com  Mon Mar  3 11:58:58 2008
From: thoth.serath at gmail.com (Chris Gloege)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:58:58 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 39, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1204480805.9523.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
References: <mailman.3.1204480805.9523.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <7c055dc50803030958t63d832b1t99680325f715ec3@mail.gmail.com>

re: laptops with linux.  i use a hp and have installed ubuntu and many
others on it.  no problems except for the occasional need to read
documentation...  i prefer a multi boot with a few flavors of linux or bsd
in it, just a thought.

On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 1:00 PM, <tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org> wrote:

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> Today's Topics:
>
>   1. Re: OT: Good place in the metro for random power  adapters?
>      (John Trammell)
>   2. Advice on a new Laptop with Ubunto installed ? (Terry Houle)
>   3. Re: Mail archiving follow up (Robert De Mars)
>   4. Re: HTML mail (Robert De Mars)
>   5. Re: WPA2 encryption (Robert De Mars)
>   6. Re: HTML mail (Don)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 14:41:43 -0600
> From: "John Trammell" <johntrammell at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: Good place in the metro for random power
>        adapters?
> To: Donovan <dniesen at gmail.com>
> Cc: TCLUG List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Message-ID:
>        <68dbb6fe0803011241t1d682eebj1bd79fe2e12084aa at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Donovan <dniesen at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I've got a Samsung SyncMaster 240T that's missing a power supply and
> Radio
> > Shack doesn't seem to carry an adapter for it.  It's a 14V @ 6A AC->DC
> > adapter with a 4-prong plug.
> >
> > Anyone know where I might find something like this locally?  So far the
> only
> > place I've seen online is eBay for the monitor specifically so my hope
> is
> > that I can find something similar or a universal type adapter.
>
> Last time I was at Materials Processing in Eagan they had a big box of
> miscellaneous power adapters.  Worth a try.
>
> J
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 17:55:47 -0600
> From: Terry Houle <terry99 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [tclug-list] Advice on a new Laptop with Ubunto installed ?
> To: TCLUG <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Message-ID: <cafffc7431ea498e62f2f9f5f161d962 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
> I am considering buying a new laptop with only Linux pre-installed on
> it.  I am planning on going with Ubunto.
>
> Wondering peoples thoughts on various laptop brands?
>
>
> Ones in consideration now are
>
> 1)
> Inspiron 1525N
> Intel? Core? 2 Duo T5450 (1.66GHz/667Mhz FSB/2MB cache), Ubuntu Linux
> version 7.10
>
> 2) System 76 machine
>
>
> Any thoughts on these or other brands for the positives and negatives.
>
>
> All input appreciated.
>
>
>
>
> Terry Houle
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 19:17:02 -0600
> From: Robert De Mars <tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Mail archiving follow up
> Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID: <47CA000E.1060808 at b-o-b.homelinux.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Raymond Norton wrote:
> > I made a couple posts in the recent past on mail archiving. Postfix was
> > pretty simple, but sendmail was more evasive. I have it working now,
> > and  wrote a simple howto, based on "copyuser". I can email it or post
> > it for whoever is interested.
> >
> > We are using Mailarchiva (free version) to archive all mail on the
> > server now.
> >
> > Raymond
> >
> >
>
> You should forward you docs to The Linux Documentation project.
>
> http://tldp.org/
>
> Bob De Mars
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 19:22:20 -0600
> From: Robert De Mars <tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] HTML mail
> Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID: <47CA014C.30407 at b-o-b.homelinux.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Troy.A Johnson wrote:
> > Hi Don,
> >
> > Annoying others is not the goal of this email list.
> >
> > And if you need someone to ask you nicely to stop using
> > HTML email on this email list, I certainly will:
> >
> > Please stop senting HTML email to this email list.
> >
> > Thank you for your kind consideration,
> >
> > Troy Johnson
> >
>
> Good Job!
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 19:25:51 -0600
> From: Robert De Mars <tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] WPA2 encryption
> To: Andrew von Nagy <andrew.vonnagy at comcast.net>
> Cc: 'TCLUG' <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Message-ID: <47CA021F.2080109 at b-o-b.homelinux.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Andrew von Nagy wrote:
> >>> Try searching on wpa_supplicant.
> >> NOW we're talking. Thanks! You too. Munir (:
> >
> > wpa_supplicant works, but is an extreme pain to configure via command
> line
> > and the config file.
>
> It's really not that bad.  I have notes on how to do this no problem.
>
> Bob
>
> I run debian with gnome network manager and it works
> > really well. You can select a network if it's within range and the SSID
> is
> > broadcast in the beacons. If SSID broadcast is turned off, you can also
> > select an option to manually configure the network, including encryption
> and
> > authentication types. It stores the passphrase or hex key in the keyring
> > manager automatically.
> >
> > As for which cards work well, I usually point people in the direction of
> any
> > Atheros based chipset since they have great Linux support and are great
> for
> > network auditing. If you're in the market to buy one new, check out the
> > Ubiquiti SuperRange Cardbus or SuperRange eXpress.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 00:11:26 -0600
> From: "Don" <dalan at visi.com>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] HTML mail
> To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Message-ID: <8154A38B58EC4A4298CEF856515C3371 at sparish.local>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
> As said before, but apparently you didn't read this..
>
> I used the client I had access to at the time, there is no way to shut off
> html on it. Asked nicely or not won't really change the fact that the
> client
> I had at the time doesn't offer that feature.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Robert De Mars
> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 7:22 PM
> Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] HTML mail
>
> Troy.A Johnson wrote:
> > Hi Don,
> >
> > Annoying others is not the goal of this email list.
> >
> > And if you need someone to ask you nicely to stop using
> > HTML email on this email list, I certainly will:
> >
> > Please stop senting HTML email to this email list.
> >
> > Thank you for your kind consideration,
> >
> > Troy Johnson
> >
>
> Good Job!
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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From cncole at earthlink.net  Mon Mar  3 11:06:06 2008
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 11:06:06 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] HTML mail
In-Reply-To: <20080303164422.GB7435@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <JHEAJICPPADJEPOKEGDGAEBPCKAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Dave Sherohman
> 
> On Sun, Mar 02, 2008 at 12:11:26AM -0600, Don wrote:
> > As said before, but apparently you didn't read this.. 
> > 
> > I used the client I had access to at the time, there is no way to shut off
> > html on it. Asked nicely or not won't really change the fact that the client
> > I had at the time doesn't offer that feature.
> 
> Had you said that in the first place, I suspect you would've gotten a
> lot less flack than you earned by saying "I'm going to be a jackass and
> post in HTML just to annoy people."
> 
> The condescending tone with which you choose to address those who point
> out the jackassery of saying you're going to do something for the sole
> purpose of annoying others is merely the icing on the cake.

If he had access to his iSP's webmail, then he had access to gmail or another proper mail client.  


Chuck
 


From florin at iucha.net  Mon Mar  3 13:03:48 2008
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:03:48 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] HTML mail
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On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 12:02:52PM -0600, Don Sparish wrote:
> Everyone has had so much fun in trying to pound me into some sort of
> submission to there will, my saying anything has had no impact on
> anything. Everyone keeps on hammering on HTML emails, so yes I'll be a
> jackass then.

Everybody is trying to show you the norms of our community.  You can
abide by them or you can choose to join another one.  We haven't
kicked anybody out yet...

Chill,
florin

-- 
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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Mon Mar  3 13:06:18 2008
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:06:18 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200803031906.m23J6In31783@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Free

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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Mon Mar  3 13:09:05 2008
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:09:05 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200803031909.m23J95V00369@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Free

Subject: HP Netserve LH 4R

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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Mon Mar  3 13:10:56 2008
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:10:56 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200803031910.m23JAuG01687@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Free

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From ben.usenet.alias at gmail.com  Mon Mar  3 14:25:13 2008
From: ben.usenet.alias at gmail.com (ben usenetalias)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:25:13 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] ISP advice
Message-ID: <b22a95cc0803031225h2c8b9235gd571b057e06a4f32@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,
I currently have Qwest DSL and am looking to change; I'd like a DSL provider
that will allow me to operate in bridged mode on a static ip without using
PPPoE.  I'm trying to make life a bit easier for my ISA box (save the MS
bashing, I know I'm on a Linux list, some of us use MS products too).  ISA
can handle PPPoE but I want to remove that unnecessary step.  It would be a
bonus if this ISP can utilize my existing Cisco 678 too.  Given how ISPs
piggy back on the phone carriers' service I may be screwed here but if
someone has ideas I'm open to them.
Thanks,
Ben.

PS I'm in the south metro if it matters.
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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Mon Mar  3 14:31:23 2008
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:31:23 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200803032031.m23KVNc14522@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Free

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From j at packetgod.com  Mon Mar  3 15:32:35 2008
From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 15:32:35 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] ISP advice
In-Reply-To: <b22a95cc0803031225h2c8b9235gd571b057e06a4f32@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b22a95cc0803031225h2c8b9235gd571b057e06a4f32@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38aa5b6a0803031332p372157fcmb64ccea316a0e860@mail.gmail.com>

I'd try IPHouse, they have a few options depending on whether you buy a
block of IPs or just the one static that comes with the standard service.
Not sure how flexible they are but they are at least willing to listen.  I'm
using a 678 with their service right now.

--j


On 3/3/08, ben usenetalias <ben.usenet.alias at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> I currently have Qwest DSL and am looking to change; I'd like a DSL
> provider that will allow me to operate in bridged mode on a static ip
> without using PPPoE.  I'm trying to make life a bit easier for my ISA box
> (save the MS bashing, I know I'm on a Linux list, some of us use MS products
> too).  ISA can handle PPPoE but I want to remove that unnecessary step.  It
> would be a bonus if this ISP can utilize my existing Cisco 678 too.  Given
> how ISPs piggy back on the phone carriers' service I may be screwed here but
> if someone has ideas I'm open to them.
> Thanks,
> Ben.
>
> PS I'm in the south metro if it matters.
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From bbaptist at iexposure.com  Mon Mar  3 16:18:39 2008
From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:18:39 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] ISP advice
In-Reply-To: <38aa5b6a0803031332p372157fcmb64ccea316a0e860@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b22a95cc0803031225h2c8b9235gd571b057e06a4f32@mail.gmail.com>
	<38aa5b6a0803031332p372157fcmb64ccea316a0e860@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200803031618.39473.bbaptist@iexposure.com>

On Monday 03 March 2008 3:32:35 pm J Cruit wrote:
> I'd try IPHouse
>
> On 3/3/08, ben usenetalias <ben.usenet.alias at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > that will allow me to operate in bridged mode on a static ip
> > without using PPPoE.

Just a heads up that IPHouse uses PPPoA for their connections.  You are going 
to have a really hard time finding someone that will hook you up with a new 
connection that uses bridged mode.  However, the 678 will do PPPoA so that 
should not be a problem for you.


-- 
Bret Baptist
Senior Network Administrator
bbaptist at iexposure.com
Internet Exposure, Inc.
http://www.iexposure.com
(612)676-1946 x17

Providing Internet Services since 1995
Web Development ~ Search Engine Marketing ~ Web Analytics
Network Security ~ On Demand Tech Support ~ E-Mail Marketing
------------------------------------------


From drue at therub.org  Mon Mar  3 16:34:29 2008
From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 16:34:29 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] ISP advice
In-Reply-To: <200803031618.39473.bbaptist@iexposure.com>
References: <b22a95cc0803031225h2c8b9235gd571b057e06a4f32@mail.gmail.com>
	<38aa5b6a0803031332p372157fcmb64ccea316a0e860@mail.gmail.com>
	<200803031618.39473.bbaptist@iexposure.com>
Message-ID: <20080303223428.GD80090@therub.org>

On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 04:18:39PM -0600, Bret Baptist wrote:
> On Monday 03 March 2008 3:32:35 pm J Cruit wrote:
> > I'd try IPHouse
> >
> > On 3/3/08, ben usenetalias <ben.usenet.alias at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > > that will allow me to operate in bridged mode on a static ip
> > > without using PPPoE.
> 
> Just a heads up that IPHouse uses PPPoA for their connections.  You are going 
> to have a really hard time finding someone that will hook you up with a new 
> connection that uses bridged mode.  However, the 678 will do PPPoA so that 
> should not be a problem for you.

I moved to Sprint land two years ago, and was dreading the change.
However, I was pleasantly surprised at how decent my DSL through Sprint
(err, i guess Embarq), has been.  The only real downside is that they
require an actual phone line (no "naked dsl").  But, on the up side,
they use bridged mode. 

When I had qwest/visi, I was able to basically fake bridge mode by
creating a local network between my cisco 678 and my firewall.  The
cisco 678 gets no external IP (it doesn't need one, turns out, the ISP
shoves the packets down the pipe whether the modem wants them or not).
Then, you give your public IP to the firewall, as well as a local IP so
that it can talk to the 678.  Worked out well enough, if not a little
bit of a kludge.  

Ah, yes, I wrote up the method here:
http://devpit.org/wiki/DSL_Bridge_Hack

Dan


From dean at ripperd.com  Mon Mar  3 17:15:18 2008
From: dean at ripperd.com (Dean)
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:15:18 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] ISP advice
In-Reply-To: <b22a95cc0803031225h2c8b9235gd571b057e06a4f32@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b22a95cc0803031225h2c8b9235gd571b057e06a4f32@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47CC8686.30805@ripperd.com>

ben usenetalias wrote:
> Hi All,
> I currently have Qwest DSL and am looking to change; I'd like a DSL 
> provider that will allow me to operate in bridged mode on a static ip 
> without using PPPoE.  I'm trying to make life a bit easier for my ISA 
> box (save the MS bashing, I know I'm on a Linux list, some of us use MS 
> products too).  ISA can handle PPPoE but I want to remove that 
> unnecessary step.  It would be a bonus if this ISP can utilize my 
> existing Cisco 678 too.  Given how ISPs piggy back on the phone 
> carriers' service I may be screwed here but if someone has ideas I'm 
> open to them.
> Thanks,
> Ben.
>  
> PS I'm in the south metro if it matters.

I have a PCI Intel Pro/DSL 2200 modem left over, if it helps. These are 
DMT and have Windows 2000/XP drivers available. It can do bridging 
(which I don't think you'll find an ISP that supports), and PPPoA (most 
qwest DSL based ISP's). This would get your static IP into your ISA box 
if it would allow the drivers to install. In PPPoA mode it basically 
looks like a dialup connection to Windows. Otherwise, if anyone has 
gotten one of these to work in Linux it will be taken off the market and 
be put into use again by me :-)


From ecrist at secure-computing.net  Tue Mar  4 10:00:53 2008
From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric F Crist)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:00:53 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] ISP advice
In-Reply-To: <200803031618.39473.bbaptist@iexposure.com>
References: <b22a95cc0803031225h2c8b9235gd571b057e06a4f32@mail.gmail.com>
	<38aa5b6a0803031332p372157fcmb64ccea316a0e860@mail.gmail.com>
	<200803031618.39473.bbaptist@iexposure.com>
Message-ID: <6C365A8D-F4AD-42FF-823E-320192402BF3@secure-computing.net>

On Mar 3, 2008, at 4:18 PM, Bret Baptist wrote:

> On Monday 03 March 2008 3:32:35 pm J Cruit wrote:
>> I'd try IPHouse
>>
>> On 3/3/08, ben usenetalias <ben.usenet.alias at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> that will allow me to operate in bridged mode on a static ip
>>> without using PPPoE.
>
> Just a heads up that IPHouse uses PPPoA for their connections.  You  
> are going
> to have a really hard time finding someone that will hook you up  
> with a new
> connection that uses bridged mode.  However, the 678 will do PPPoA  
> so that
> should not be a problem for you.


I second the ipHouse recommendation.  There a great company and I've  
been happy for a few years now with them.  They don't support bridging  
mode, but they do support your Cisco 678 just fine.

If you have specific questions about them, drop me a line and I'll try  
to answer them.

Oh, whomever you choose to go with, make sure you mention the person's  
name who recommended them.  Some companies, ipHouse included, offer a  
free month's service or similar for referrals.

HTH
-----
Eric F Crist
Secure Computing Networks




From ecrist at secure-computing.net  Tue Mar  4 10:24:38 2008
From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric F Crist)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:24:38 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] ISP advice
In-Reply-To: <6C365A8D-F4AD-42FF-823E-320192402BF3@secure-computing.net>
References: <b22a95cc0803031225h2c8b9235gd571b057e06a4f32@mail.gmail.com>
	<38aa5b6a0803031332p372157fcmb64ccea316a0e860@mail.gmail.com>
	<200803031618.39473.bbaptist@iexposure.com>
	<6C365A8D-F4AD-42FF-823E-320192402BF3@secure-computing.net>
Message-ID: <DA1BA0AA-8361-46AA-B7F8-9EA70650ABFC@secure-computing.net>

I hate looking like a complete idiot, as it happens too often at  
times. :)

s/There/They're/ below.


On Mar 4, 2008, at 10:00 AM, Eric F Crist wrote:

> On Mar 3, 2008, at 4:18 PM, Bret Baptist wrote:
>
>> On Monday 03 March 2008 3:32:35 pm J Cruit wrote:
>>> I'd try IPHouse
>>>
>>> On 3/3/08, ben usenetalias <ben.usenet.alias at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> that will allow me to operate in bridged mode on a static ip
>>>> without using PPPoE.
>>
>> Just a heads up that IPHouse uses PPPoA for their connections.  You
>> are going
>> to have a really hard time finding someone that will hook you up
>> with a new
>> connection that uses bridged mode.  However, the 678 will do PPPoA
>> so that
>> should not be a problem for you.
>
>
> I second the ipHouse recommendation.  There a great company and I've
> been happy for a few years now with them.  They don't support bridging
> mode, but they do support your Cisco 678 just fine.
>
> If you have specific questions about them, drop me a line and I'll try
> to answer them.
>
> Oh, whomever you choose to go with, make sure you mention the person's
> name who recommended them.  Some companies, ipHouse included, offer a
> free month's service or similar for referrals.
>
> HTH
> -----
> Eric F Crist
> Secure Computing Networks
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

-----
Eric F Crist
Secure Computing Networks




From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Tue Mar  4 10:55:49 2008
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 10:55:49 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] ISP advice
In-Reply-To: <DA1BA0AA-8361-46AA-B7F8-9EA70650ABFC@secure-computing.net>
References: <b22a95cc0803031225h2c8b9235gd571b057e06a4f32@mail.gmail.com>
	<38aa5b6a0803031332p372157fcmb64ccea316a0e860@mail.gmail.com>
	<200803031618.39473.bbaptist@iexposure.com>
	<6C365A8D-F4AD-42FF-823E-320192402BF3@secure-computing.net>
	<DA1BA0AA-8361-46AA-B7F8-9EA70650ABFC@secure-computing.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0803041054180.1446@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Eric F Crist wrote:

> I hate looking like a complete idiot, as it happens too often at
> times. :)
>
> s/There/They're/ below.

I due that two.

Mike


From kyle.quamme at gmail.com  Thu Mar  6 16:21:19 2008
From: kyle.quamme at gmail.com (Kyle Quamme)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 16:21:19 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] WANTED: Travan TXXXi or Equiv.
Message-ID: <12f48e800803061421u4ba9a1d2x30138cd6b596e602@mail.gmail.com>

We have some machines that need to do tape backup still and our tape
drives have went on the fritz. If anyone has a few of these they would
normally throw out, we would greatly appreciate them!

kyle.quamme at gmail.com


From florin at iucha.net  Thu Mar  6 16:28:52 2008
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 16:28:52 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] squid default configuration is slow for linux clients?
Message-ID: <20080306222852.GZ3247@iris.iucha.org>

Hello,

I have made a very puzzling observation, and I would like to know if
somebody else encountered it.

I have two servers: a PIII/1GHz running Solaris 10 with Squid
2.6.something and a new AMD Athlon 64 x2 runing Ubuntu 8.04 alpha and
Squid 3.0.something.  Both machines use a third as the local DNS
proxy/cache.  The two servers, the DNS server and a workstation are
all connected to a Gigabit switch and all have Intel E1000 gigabit
network cards, with jumbo frames enabled (the switch supports jumbo
frames).  The workstation dual-boots between Ubuntu 8.04 alpha and
Windows XP SP2.

When I am browsing from Windows using Firefox 2.0, the speed of page
rendering is the same, regardless of which of the two proxies I use.
When I am browsing from Ubuntu, the proxy on the newer, faster server
seems much more sluggish, and it is getting to be annoyingly slow.
Both servers machines are pretty much idle.  Squid is configured with
384 MB of memory cache and 3 GB of disk cache on a reiserfs partition.

There is no other activity in the network at the time.

I have noticed the same problem last year, that was when I moved my
proxy to Solaris since it was unbearable on Linux and I did not have
the time to pursue it.  But this time I would like to hunt down the
problem.

Any pointers?  Non-null, of course...

Thanks,
florin

-- 
Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition.
      http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163
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From sloncho at gmail.com  Thu Mar  6 16:47:04 2008
From: sloncho at gmail.com (Sunny)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 16:47:04 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] squid default configuration is slow for linux
	clients?
In-Reply-To: <20080306222852.GZ3247@iris.iucha.org>
References: <20080306222852.GZ3247@iris.iucha.org>
Message-ID: <e7eeb230803061447o33b30ce6ha595baae7601249c@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Florin Iucha <florin at iucha.net> wrote:
> Hello,
>
>  I have made a very puzzling observation, and I would like to know if
>  somebody else encountered it.
>
>  I have two servers: a PIII/1GHz running Solaris 10 with Squid
>  2.6.something and a new AMD Athlon 64 x2 runing Ubuntu 8.04 alpha and
>  Squid 3.0.something.  Both machines use a third as the local DNS
>  proxy/cache.  The two servers, the DNS server and a workstation are
>  all connected to a Gigabit switch and all have Intel E1000 gigabit
>  network cards, with jumbo frames enabled (the switch supports jumbo
>  frames).  The workstation dual-boots between Ubuntu 8.04 alpha and
>  Windows XP SP2.
>
>  When I am browsing from Windows using Firefox 2.0, the speed of page
>  rendering is the same, regardless of which of the two proxies I use.
>  When I am browsing from Ubuntu, the proxy on the newer, faster server
>  seems much more sluggish, and it is getting to be annoyingly slow.
>  Both servers machines are pretty much idle.  Squid is configured with
>  384 MB of memory cache and 3 GB of disk cache on a reiserfs partition.
>
>  There is no other activity in the network at the time.
>
>  I have noticed the same problem last year, that was when I moved my
>  proxy to Solaris since it was unbearable on Linux and I did not have
>  the time to pursue it.  But this time I would like to hunt down the
>  problem.
>
>  Any pointers?  Non-null, of course...
>

Try running some sniffer, so you can see where the delay comes in - at
interface level, or browser level.

Cheers

-- 
Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny)

Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just
a pile of scrap.


From jeremy at rosengren.org  Thu Mar  6 17:14:56 2008
From: jeremy at rosengren.org (Jeremy Rosengren)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:14:56 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] squid default configuration is slow for linux
	clients?
In-Reply-To: <20080306222852.GZ3247@iris.iucha.org>
References: <20080306222852.GZ3247@iris.iucha.org>
Message-ID: <6A52C9E7-C87A-4710-A802-8143B56B9063@rosengren.org>

On Mar 6, 2008, at 4:28 PM, Florin Iucha wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have made a very puzzling observation, and I would like to know if
> somebody else encountered it.
>
> I have two servers: a PIII/1GHz running Solaris 10 with Squid
> 2.6.something and a new AMD Athlon 64 x2 runing Ubuntu 8.04 alpha and
> Squid 3.0.something.  Both machines use a third as the local DNS
> proxy/cache.  The two servers, the DNS server and a workstation are
> all connected to a Gigabit switch and all have Intel E1000 gigabit
> network cards, with jumbo frames enabled (the switch supports jumbo
> frames).  The workstation dual-boots between Ubuntu 8.04 alpha and
> Windows XP SP2.
>
> When I am browsing from Windows using Firefox 2.0, the speed of page
> rendering is the same, regardless of which of the two proxies I use.
> When I am browsing from Ubuntu, the proxy on the newer, faster server
> seems much more sluggish, and it is getting to be annoyingly slow.
> Both servers machines are pretty much idle.  Squid is configured with
> 384 MB of memory cache and 3 GB of disk cache on a reiserfs partition.
>
> There is no other activity in the network at the time.
>
> I have noticed the same problem last year, that was when I moved my
> proxy to Solaris since it was unbearable on Linux and I did not have
> the time to pursue it.  But this time I would like to hunt down the
> problem.
>
> Any pointers?  Non-null, of course...
>
What are you using as the cache storage format?  The default storage  
format on Fedora systems is diskd, and that's always been unbearably  
slow for me - have you tried aufs?

-- jeremy


From ben.usenet.alias at gmail.com  Thu Mar  6 17:51:48 2008
From: ben.usenet.alias at gmail.com (ben usenetalias)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:51:48 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] ISP advice
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0803041127530.15507@titan>
References: <b22a95cc0803031225h2c8b9235gd571b057e06a4f32@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0803031439090.6935@titan>
	<b22a95cc0803031313t41cf9180va5c5f24939b56d14@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0803031720150.9306@titan>
	<b22a95cc0803031548q40ba1768u957d27b308b694c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0803040809190.14818@titan>
	<b22a95cc0803040928s56a00f35g8af7c8fbded6e613@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0803041127530.15507@titan>
Message-ID: <b22a95cc0803061551k25d51174wcaed9b8393f85477@mail.gmail.com>

 Thanks to everyone for the advice.  My resolution went in a completely
different direction though.  Thanks to some advice from Adam M I learned
that the MS VPN client is just a PPTP client and doesn't require ISA at
all.  So I ditched the ISA box (I'm sure there's some cheering out there
somewhere) and just enabled PPTP passthrough on my router.  My trusty 678
now sits in bridged mode and my router does the PPPoE (no worries about it
starting back up after power failure and such as with ISA).  With built in
masquerading on the router and PPTP passthrough to a box behind it for VPN
auth I'm set.  Much simpler than ISA and does everything I wanted it to.

Again, thanks to everyone that offered options.
Ben.
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From florin at iucha.net  Thu Mar  6 20:59:50 2008
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 20:59:50 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] squid default configuration is slow for
	linux	clients?
In-Reply-To: <6A52C9E7-C87A-4710-A802-8143B56B9063@rosengren.org>
References: <20080306222852.GZ3247@iris.iucha.org>
	<6A52C9E7-C87A-4710-A802-8143B56B9063@rosengren.org>
Message-ID: <20080307025950.GA3247@iris.iucha.org>

On Thu, Mar 06, 2008 at 05:14:56PM -0600, Jeremy Rosengren wrote:
>> When I am browsing from Windows using Firefox 2.0, the speed of page
>> rendering is the same, regardless of which of the two proxies I use.
>> When I am browsing from Ubuntu, the proxy on the newer, faster server
>> seems much more sluggish, and it is getting to be annoyingly slow.
>> Both servers machines are pretty much idle.  Squid is configured with
>> 384 MB of memory cache and 3 GB of disk cache on a reiserfs partition.
>>
> What are you using as the cache storage format?  The default storage format
> on Fedora systems is diskd, and that's always been unbearably slow for me -
> have you tried aufs?

   cache_dir ufs /var/spool/proxy 3200 256 256

However, I don't think this is a disk io problem.  The same delay
occurs under Linux even if I go to fresh or dynamically generated
pages.  But I'll switch to aufs to try it out anyway.

Thanks,
florin

-- 
Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition.
      http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163
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From andrew.vonnagy at comcast.net  Sat Mar  8 12:46:49 2008
From: andrew.vonnagy at comcast.net (Andrew von Nagy)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 12:46:49 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Projector help on Debian Etch
Message-ID: <000c01c8814c$c4c71c60$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>

I am having trouble getting a projector to work on my Debian Etch system
(Dell Inspiron 8200). I have tried editing the xorg.conf file with
appropriate resolutions, and even adding a second Screen definition, but to
no avail. During bootup, it looks normal, but all that I get is scrambled
colors and output on the projector once the X server starts. 

Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I have a presentation next
Tuesday.

Thanks,
Andrew

Here is my xorg.conf for reference:

# /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by dexconf, the Debian X Configuration tool, using
# values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the /etc/X11/xorg.conf manual page.
# (Type "man /etc/X11/xorg.conf" at the shell prompt.)
#
# This file is automatically updated on xserver-xorg package upgrades *only*
# if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of the xserver-xorg
# package.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following command:
#   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg

Section "Files"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc"
	FontPath	"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic"
	FontPath	"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled"
	FontPath	"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled"
	FontPath	"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1"
	FontPath	"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi"
	FontPath	"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
	FontPath	"/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi"
	FontPath	"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
	# path to defoma fonts
	FontPath	"/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType"
EndSection

Section "Module"
	Load	"i2c"
	Load	"bitmap"
	Load	"ddc"
	Load	"dri"
	Load	"extmod"
	Load	"freetype"
	Load	"glx"
	Load	"int10"
	Load	"vbe"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier	"Generic Keyboard"
	Driver		"kbd"
	Option		"CoreKeyboard"
	Option		"XkbRules"	"xorg"
	Option		"XkbModel"	"pc104"
	Option		"XkbLayout"	"us"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier	"Configured Mouse"
	Driver		"mouse"
	Option		"CorePointer"
	Option		"Device"		"/dev/input/mice"
	Option		"Protocol"		"ImPS/2"
	Option		"Emulate3Buttons"	"true"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier	"Synaptics Touchpad"
	Driver		"synaptics"
	Option		"SendCoreEvents"	"true"
	Option		"Device"		"/dev/psaux"
	Option		"Protocol"		"auto-dev"
	Option		"HorizScrollDelta"	"0"
	Option		"SHMConfig"		"true"
	Option		"MinSpeed"		"0.6"
	Option		"MaxSpeed"		"0.12"
EndSection

Section "Device"
	Identifier	"nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 440 Go]"
	Driver		"nv"
	BusID		"PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
	Identifier	"Generic Monitor"
	Option		"DPMS"
	HorizSync	28-80
	VertRefresh	43-60
EndSection

Section "Screen"
	Identifier	"Default Screen"
	Device		"nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 440 Go]"
	Monitor		"Generic Monitor"
	DefaultDepth	16
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		1
		Modes		"1600x1200 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		4
		Modes		"1600x1200 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		8
		Modes		"1600x1200 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		15
		Modes		"1600x1200 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		16
		Modes		"1600x1200 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		24
		Modes		"1600x1200 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600"
	EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "Screen"
	Identifier	"Screen1"
	Device		"nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 440 Go]"
	Monitor		"Generic Monitor"
	DefaultDepth	16
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		1
		Modes		"1024x768 800x600"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		4
		Modes		"1024x768 800x600"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		8
		Modes		"1024x768 800x600"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		15
		Modes		"1024x768 800x600"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		16
		Modes		"1280x1024 1024x768 800x600"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		24
		Modes		"1280x1024 1024x768 800x600"
	EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "ServerLayout"
	Identifier	"Default Layout"
	Screen		"Default Screen"
	InputDevice	"Generic Keyboard"
	InputDevice	"Configured Mouse"
	InputDevice	"Synaptics Touchpad"
EndSection

Section "DRI"
	Mode	0666
EndSection




From jeremy at rosengren.org  Sat Mar  8 13:15:14 2008
From: jeremy at rosengren.org (Jeremy Rosengren)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 13:15:14 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Projector help on Debian Etch
In-Reply-To: <000c01c8814c$c4c71c60$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>
References: <000c01c8814c$c4c71c60$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>
Message-ID: <9C8ADD8D-5A07-444F-AC8E-0804E160FD33@rosengren.org>

On Mar 8, 2008, at 12:46 PM, Andrew von Nagy wrote:

> I am having trouble getting a projector to work on my Debian Etch  
> system
> (Dell Inspiron 8200). I have tried editing the xorg.conf file with
> appropriate resolutions, and even adding a second Screen definition,  
> but to
> no avail. During bootup, it looks normal, but all that I get is  
> scrambled
> colors and output on the projector once the X server starts.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I have a presentation next
> Tuesday.
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew

What is the projector's model?

-- jeremy



From aristophrenic at warpmail.net  Sat Mar  8 13:14:23 2008
From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano)
Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:14:23 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Projector help on Debian Etch
In-Reply-To: <000c01c8814c$c4c71c60$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>
References: <000c01c8814c$c4c71c60$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>
Message-ID: <1205003663.16719.1241302361@webmail.messagingengine.com>


On Sat, 8 Mar 2008 12:46:49 -0600, "Andrew von Nagy"
<andrew.vonnagy at comcast.net> said:
> I am having trouble getting a projector to work on my Debian Etch system
> (Dell Inspiron 8200). I have tried editing the xorg.conf file with
> appropriate resolutions, and even adding a second Screen definition, but
> to
> no avail. During bootup, it looks normal, but all that I get is scrambled
> colors and output on the projector once the X server starts. 
> 
If you're using a VGA connector, try switching the setting for that
connection on your projector between component and VGA.


From aristophrenic at warpmail.net  Sat Mar  8 13:16:31 2008
From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano)
Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:16:31 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Projector help on Debian Etch
In-Reply-To: <1205003663.16719.1241302361@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <000c01c8814c$c4c71c60$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>
	<1205003663.16719.1241302361@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <1205003791.17243.1241302643@webmail.messagingengine.com>


On Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:14:23 -0600, "Isaac Atilano"
<aristophrenic at warpmail.net> said:
> 
> On Sat, 8 Mar 2008 12:46:49 -0600, "Andrew von Nagy"
> <andrew.vonnagy at comcast.net> said:
> > I am having trouble getting a projector to work on my Debian Etch system
> > (Dell Inspiron 8200). I have tried editing the xorg.conf file with
> > appropriate resolutions, and even adding a second Screen definition, but
> > to
> > no avail. During bootup, it looks normal, but all that I get is scrambled
> > colors and output on the projector once the X server starts. 
> > 
> If you're using a VGA connector, try switching the setting for that
> connection on your projector between component and VGA.

Although now that I read this more closely, if you're getting normal
bootup on your projector then this probably won't help.


From andrew.vonnagy at comcast.net  Sat Mar  8 17:22:19 2008
From: andrew.vonnagy at comcast.net (Andrew von Nagy)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 17:22:19 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Projector help on Debian Etch
In-Reply-To: <9C8ADD8D-5A07-444F-AC8E-0804E160FD33@rosengren.org>
References: <000c01c8814c$c4c71c60$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>
	<9C8ADD8D-5A07-444F-AC8E-0804E160FD33@rosengren.org>
Message-ID: <000401c88173$418beb10$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>

> What is the projector's model?

I'll have to look at the model info on Monday (I didn't think of looking at
the time).

xrandr returns the following:

spacemonkey:/home/andrew# xrandr
 SZ:    Pixels          Physical       Refresh
 0   1600 x 1200   ( 423mm x 318mm )   60
 1   1400 x 1050   ( 423mm x 318mm )   60
*2   1280 x 1024   ( 423mm x 318mm )  *60
 3   1440 x 900    ( 423mm x 318mm )   60
 4   1280 x 960    ( 423mm x 318mm )   60
 5   1280 x 800    ( 423mm x 318mm )   60
 6   1280 x 768    ( 423mm x 318mm )   60
 7   1152 x 768    ( 423mm x 318mm )   55
 8   1024 x 768    ( 423mm x 318mm )   60
 9    800 x 600    ( 423mm x 318mm )   60   56
 10   640 x 480    ( 423mm x 318mm )   60
Current rotation - normal
Current reflection - none
Rotations possible - normal
Reflections possible - none



From pcrequest at gmail.com  Sat Mar  8 19:40:30 2008
From: pcrequest at gmail.com (Aaron Lewis)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 19:40:30 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux freezes - how to troubleshoot?
Message-ID: <8cb4302d0803081740t272a7abese1e7f50c13ca3fa6@mail.gmail.com>

Coming from a Windows background, I have no idea how to troubleshoot
Linux.  It's a Cent OS 5.1 Server with GUI install on the following
hardware:

I'm running a P4 3.0 GHz, 1GB RAM, 3 hard drives: IDE 160GB for OS,
boot, swap.  There are two 1TB SATA drives for MySQL.  The hardware
seems sound as it passes UltraX diagnostics boot CD (test CPU, RAM,
drives, motherboard chips).  It's on some kind of whitebox w/ ASROCK
board put together by General Nano.

I installed the updates Cent OS recommends right away with the built
in updater. The OS seems to freeze and becomes unpingable and the box
needs a hard reset.  my user might be doing something in My SQL when
this happens.

Any general troubleshooting advice?  Are there logs or dumps to
analyze?  I'm pretty green Linux-wise.


From mgreenly at gmail.com  Sat Mar  8 19:53:49 2008
From: mgreenly at gmail.com (michael greenly)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 19:53:49 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux freezes - how to troubleshoot?
In-Reply-To: <8cb4302d0803081740t272a7abese1e7f50c13ca3fa6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8cb4302d0803081740t272a7abese1e7f50c13ca3fa6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fe0998f40803081753t5be9353ej1c4d804b5601edac@mail.gmail.com>

I don't use Cent OS but I'd first look for /var/log/syslog or any other
clues I could find in /var/log


On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Aaron Lewis <pcrequest at gmail.com> wrote:

> Coming from a Windows background, I have no idea how to troubleshoot
> Linux.  It's a Cent OS 5.1 Server with GUI install on the following
> hardware:
>
> I'm running a P4 3.0 GHz, 1GB RAM, 3 hard drives: IDE 160GB for OS,
> boot, swap.  There are two 1TB SATA drives for MySQL.  The hardware
> seems sound as it passes UltraX diagnostics boot CD (test CPU, RAM,
> drives, motherboard chips).  It's on some kind of whitebox w/ ASROCK
> board put together by General Nano.
>
> I installed the updates Cent OS recommends right away with the built
> in updater. The OS seems to freeze and becomes unpingable and the box
> needs a hard reset.  my user might be doing something in My SQL when
> this happens.
>
> Any general troubleshooting advice?  Are there logs or dumps to
> analyze?  I'm pretty green Linux-wise.
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



-- 
Michael Greenly
http://blog.michaelgreenly.com
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From tclug at beitsahour.net  Sat Mar  8 20:05:36 2008
From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar)
Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2008 20:05:36 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux freezes - how to troubleshoot?
In-Reply-To: <8cb4302d0803081740t272a7abese1e7f50c13ca3fa6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8cb4302d0803081740t272a7abese1e7f50c13ca3fa6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47D345F0.4090303@beitsahour.net>

Aaron Lewis wrote:

> 
> Any general troubleshooting advice?  Are there logs or dumps to
> analyze?  I'm pretty green Linux-wise.

the linux kernel and the various distributions are mature enough 
nowadays that they don't just flake out like that. in my experience 95% 
of the time something like this happened to me it was hardware. the 
other 5% it was buggy kernel modules (aka also hardware). Unfortunately 
it is probably the sort of hardware error that only creeps up randomly 
and any number of "test" utilities will not detect it.

is there a monitor plugged into it? can you plug one and and switch to 
VT1 (Ctrl-Alt-F1) and wait for it to happen. there is a good chance 
something will get dumped to the console.

if this is not an option, netconsole is an alternative,
you will need to load netconsole using:
modprobe netconsole netconsole=eth0,514@<your.syslog.server>

modinfo netconsole gives you the proper syntax

if you do not have a syslog server you can still capture the traffic 
using using netcat, on another box on that subnet use:
nc -l -p 514
and wait for it to happen.

once you have the kernel panic or Oops report (if you get one) it should 
  have more info that an experienced eye can decipher.

otherwise, start swapping hardware until it stops happening  :)


From john.meier at gmail.com  Sun Mar  9 15:50:26 2008
From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier)
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 15:50:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations Gbit rack mount switch and NIC cards
Message-ID: <65293fcc0803091350j5636c369je73df65b33b3e67@mail.gmail.com>

HI all-

looking for recommendations on Gigabit NIC cards and a rack mount GigaBit
switch.  In the process of running wire to my new communications rack and
would like a nice switch - have  3 mythtv frontends, a couple of Linux
boxes, a couple of Macs and a Time Capsule.

Any recommendations for switch and NICs linux boxes?

thanks!!!
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From marc at e-skinner.net  Sun Mar  9 16:13:37 2008
From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner)
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:13:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations Gbit rack mount switch and NIC
	cards
In-Reply-To: <65293fcc0803091350j5636c369je73df65b33b3e67@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65293fcc0803091350j5636c369je73df65b33b3e67@mail.gmail.com>
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for home network gear - i have used both the linksys SR2024 and the dell
powerconnect 5324.  they both support vlans and have full mgmt - command
line and web.  the linksys is about half the price of the dell.  they do
not do layer 3, which for home use isn't needed i'm guessing.    for the
nics i'm a big fan of the intel e1000's - they have good support for
linux and have done well for me.  i use cat5e for connectivity and get
good throughput on the network.

my 2 cents.

John Meier wrote:
> HI all-
> 
> looking for recommendations on Gigabit NIC cards and a rack mount GigaBit
> switch.  In the process of running wire to my new communications rack and
> would like a nice switch - have  3 mythtv frontends, a couple of Linux
> boxes, a couple of Macs and a Time Capsule.
> 
> Any recommendations for switch and NICs linux boxes?
> 
> thanks!!!
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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From john.meier at gmail.com  Sun Mar  9 16:42:24 2008
From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier)
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 16:42:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations Gbit rack mount switch and NIC cards
In-Reply-To: <65293fcc0803091439m33515cf2p9158df6933d01a4e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65293fcc0803091350j5636c369je73df65b33b3e67@mail.gmail.com>
	<47D45301.9040709@e-skinner.net>
	<65293fcc0803091439m33515cf2p9158df6933d01a4e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65293fcc0803091442t4353e63cu17dbe7121096e8c0@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Marc Skinner <marc at e-skinner.net> wrote:

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> for home network gear - i have used both the linksys SR2024 and the dell
> powerconnect 5324.  they both support vlans and have full mgmt - command
> line and web.  the linksys is about half the price of the dell.  they do
> not do layer 3, which for home use isn't needed i'm guessing.    for the
> nics i'm a big fan of the intel e1000's - they have good support for
> linux and have done well for me.  i use cat5e for connectivity and get
> good throughput on the network.
>

Thanks Marc -

I should have mentioned that this is for a small home base business - and as
I pay myself shit, I make up for it by buying real good equipment - that way
I not only get the benefit of using quality stuffs, I get to learn the ins
and outs of using such recruitments and then can recommend to my clients....



> my 2 cents.
>
> John Meier wrote:
> > HI all-
> >
> > looking for recommendations on Gigabit NIC cards and a rack mount
> GigaBit
> > switch.  In the process of running wire to my new communications rack
> and
> > would like a nice switch - have  3 mythtv frontends, a couple of Linux
> > boxes, a couple of Macs and a Time Capsule.
> >
> > Any recommendations for switch and NICs linux boxes?
> >
> > thanks!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From john.meier at gmail.com  Sun Mar  9 16:43:14 2008
From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier)
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 16:43:14 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations Gbit rack mount switch and NIC
	cards
In-Reply-To: <65293fcc0803091442t4353e63cu17dbe7121096e8c0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65293fcc0803091350j5636c369je73df65b33b3e67@mail.gmail.com>
	<47D45301.9040709@e-skinner.net>
	<65293fcc0803091439m33515cf2p9158df6933d01a4e@mail.gmail.com>
	<65293fcc0803091442t4353e63cu17dbe7121096e8c0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65293fcc0803091443j5a6cb167k3556f5dfc4743acd@mail.gmail.com>

>  I get to learn the ins and outs of using such recruitments and then can
> recommend to my clients....
>



%s/recruitments/equipment/g

sorry abt that.


>
>
>
> > my 2 cents.
> >
> > John Meier wrote:
> > > HI all-
> > >
> > > looking for recommendations on Gigabit NIC cards and a rack mount
> > GigaBit
> > > switch.  In the process of running wire to my new communications rack
> > and
> > > would like a nice switch - have  3 mythtv frontends, a couple of Linux
> > > boxes, a couple of Macs and a Time Capsule.
> > >
> > > Any recommendations for switch and NICs linux boxes?
> > >
> > > thanks!!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From kc0iog at gmail.com  Mon Mar 10 10:39:32 2008
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 10:39:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations Gbit rack mount switch and NIC
	cards
In-Reply-To: <65293fcc0803091350j5636c369je73df65b33b3e67@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65293fcc0803091350j5636c369je73df65b33b3e67@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2c6699da0803100839u1284a058hec5cccbfc89e4496@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 3:50 PM, John Meier <john.meier at gmail.com> wrote:

> HI all-
>
> looking for recommendations on Gigabit NIC cards and a rack mount GigaBit
> switch


NIC - Intel Pro/1000.  Don't mess around with anything else.   Broadcom
NetXtreme is preferred by some server manufacturers, and they seem to work
well, but there has been some issues with linux kernel drivers in the past
(resolved now).

Switch: Netgear GS724T.  Non blocking, jumbo frames, web mgmt, VLAN capable,
supposedly layer 3 capable but I can't find it in the mgmt interface.  $339
on newegg, worth far more than $339.

-Brian
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From kc0iog at gmail.com  Mon Mar 10 12:00:24 2008
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:00:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations Gbit rack mount switch and NIC
	cards
In-Reply-To: <38aa5b6a0803100919t78961854ge83ed1fad7307b11@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65293fcc0803091350j5636c369je73df65b33b3e67@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Jeremiah Cruit <j at cruit.net> wrote:

> But of course you need the very best, a Cisco 24 port 3750 for $3995 (List
> but who pays list?).  I can also help you price out a 6506 to help build
> your home lab up to a true enterprise facility and put in some 10GB links to
> your systems.  :D
>

If we have that kind of money to spend, I'll buy Juniper.

-Brian
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From krishanson at acm.cs.umn.edu  Mon Mar 10 11:55:43 2008
From: krishanson at acm.cs.umn.edu (krishanson at acm.cs.umn.edu)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:55:43 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Server OS'
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803101146570.21690@cornea.cs.umn.edu>

I am looking for an OS to run a file server from, and I'm wondering which 
OS' are best for the job.  I'm also looking for a non-monetary OS.

Regards, KH


From admin at lctn.org  Mon Mar 10 12:14:29 2008
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:14:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Server OS'
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803101146570.21690@cornea.cs.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803101146570.21690@cornea.cs.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <47D56C75.5090600@lctn.org>



krishanson at acm.cs.umn.edu wrote:
> I am looking for an OS to run a file server from, and I'm wondering which 
> OS' are best for the job.  I'm also looking for a non-monetary OS.
>
> Regards, KH
>   


> If it is a simple File Server, try Freenas.
>   


From canito at dalan.us  Mon Mar 10 12:16:59 2008
From: canito at dalan.us (David Alanis)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:16:59 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Server OS'
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803101146570.21690@cornea.cs.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803101146570.21690@cornea.cs.umn.edu>
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Good Day:

I hope my answer is not a bit OT but my recomendation for an OS is  
FreeBSD. I have not used NFS but in the default installation (freeBSD)  
it will ask you if you want to make it a NFS server. That and a couple  
of other configuration changes and you will be set to go. I do know of  
a couple of people running NFS on freeBSD they made it seem simple  
enough.

David


Quoting krishanson at acm.cs.umn.edu:

> I am looking for an OS to run a file server from, and I'm wondering which
> OS' are best for the job.  I'm also looking for a non-monetary OS.
>
> Regards, KH
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From ecrist at secure-computing.net  Mon Mar 10 12:19:05 2008
From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric F Crist)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:19:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Server OS'
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803101146570.21690@cornea.cs.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803101146570.21690@cornea.cs.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <652DA49D-BACC-4C1B-844F-F56E9092288F@secure-computing.net>

I would recommend FreeBSD (www.freebsd.org).

There's a good file-server distribution out there based on FreeBSD  
called FreeNAS.  give it a try.  Very configurable and does pretty  
much anything under the sun.

Eric


On Mar 10, 2008, at 11:55 AM, krishanson at acm.cs.umn.edu wrote:

> I am looking for an OS to run a file server from, and I'm wondering  
> which
> OS' are best for the job.  I'm also looking for a non-monetary OS.
>
> Regards, KH
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

-----
Eric F Crist
Secure Computing Networks




From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com  Mon Mar 10 12:25:21 2008
From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:25:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Server OS'
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803101146570.21690@cornea.cs.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803101146570.21690@cornea.cs.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <courier.47D56F02.00006DA2@b-o-b.homelinux.com>

This is a loaded question, and could start a riot / flame war on this list. 

It is my duty to inform you that *best* (slipping into flame retardant / 
riot gear suit) OS for this sort of setup would be Slackware Linux.  
www.slackware.com 

Not to upset the list, pretty much any flavor of Linux will do the job for 
you. 

Good Luck! 

Robert De Mars 

krishanson at acm.cs.umn.edu writes: 

> I am looking for an OS to run a file server from, and I'm wondering which 
> OS' are best for the job.  I'm also looking for a non-monetary OS. 
> 
> Regards, KH 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From kc0iog at gmail.com  Mon Mar 10 12:34:25 2008
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:34:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Server OS'
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803101146570.21690@cornea.cs.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803101146570.21690@cornea.cs.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <2c6699da0803101034h57a7c438w514c8d562fda7456@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 11:55 AM, <krishanson at acm.cs.umn.edu> wrote:

> I am looking for an OS to run a file server from, and I'm wondering which
> OS' are best for the job.  I'm also looking for a non-monetary OS.


Linux: Debian stable, CentOS, or Slackware
Unixy: FreeBSD or NetBSD
Just works: FreeNAS
My personal favorite: OpenBSD

Of course you didn't specify skillset  and desired protocols.  Are you
sharing with Windows?  Linux?  Old world UNIX?  Commodore 64?

-Brian
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From srcfoo at gmail.com  Mon Mar 10 12:49:12 2008
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:49:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Server OS'
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803101146570.21690@cornea.cs.umn.edu>
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On 3/10/08, krishanson at acm.cs.umn.edu <krishanson at acm.cs.umn.edu> wrote:
> I am looking for an OS to run a file server from, and I'm wondering which
>  OS' are best for the job.  I'm also looking for a non-monetary OS.

File serving is a rather fundamental service for any Linux
distribution. I recommend selecting a distribution with a long support
life such as Debian stable, Ubuntu LTS, or Cent OS. These
distributions can be a little behind on package versions, but will be
stable and easy to maintain over a long period of time (5 - 6 years I
think).


From andrew.vonnagy at comcast.net  Mon Mar 10 12:54:44 2008
From: andrew.vonnagy at comcast.net (Andrew von Nagy)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 12:54:44 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Projector help on Debian Etch
In-Reply-To: <000401c88173$418beb10$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>
References: <000c01c8814c$c4c71c60$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02><9C8ADD8D-5A07-444F-AC8E-0804E160FD33@rosengren.org>
	<000401c88173$418beb10$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>
Message-ID: <002801c882d7$d32388c0$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>


> What is the projector's model?

It's a Sony VPL-VX41. I'm connecting to it using an Analog VGA connector.

Also, the output displays correctly if I switch to another terminal
(Ctr-Alt-F1 through 6). It's just the X-Window terminal that doesn't display
correctly.

Any ideas? I'm stuck.

Andrew



From j at packetgod.com  Mon Mar 10 13:19:50 2008
From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:19:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations Gbit rack mount switch and NIC
	cards
In-Reply-To: <2c6699da0803101000h51803efeh71bda8b799b11813@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65293fcc0803091350j5636c369je73df65b33b3e67@mail.gmail.com>
	<2c6699da0803100839u1284a058hec5cccbfc89e4496@mail.gmail.com>
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	<2c6699da0803101000h51803efeh71bda8b799b11813@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38aa5b6a0803101119u21b9947apa14b112c44fbc5da@mail.gmail.com>

How do you like the Juniper switches?  They just hit the market a month or
so ago and I haven't had a chance to play with them yet.  I love their
routers and firewalls and have worked with them for years.  I had hoped that
they would have purchased Foundry but that never went through so they just
came out with thier own line, hope they live up to Juniper's good name.

--j

On 3/10/08, Brian Wall <kc0iog at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Jeremiah Cruit <j at cruit.net> wrote:
>
> > But of course you need the very best, a Cisco 24 port 3750 for $3995
> > (List but who pays list?).  I can also help you price out a 6506 to help
> > build your home lab up to a true enterprise facility and put in some 10GB
> > links to your systems.  :D
> >
>
> If we have that kind of money to spend, I'll buy Juniper.
>
> -Brian
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From kc0iog at gmail.com  Mon Mar 10 13:44:51 2008
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:44:51 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations Gbit rack mount switch and NIC
	cards
In-Reply-To: <38aa5b6a0803101119u21b9947apa14b112c44fbc5da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65293fcc0803091350j5636c369je73df65b33b3e67@mail.gmail.com>
	<2c6699da0803100839u1284a058hec5cccbfc89e4496@mail.gmail.com>
	<38aa5b6a0803100919t78961854ge83ed1fad7307b11@mail.gmail.com>
	<2c6699da0803101000h51803efeh71bda8b799b11813@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <2c6699da0803101144i485e8d82q1a941624e8863d07@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:19 PM, J Cruit <j at packetgod.com> wrote:

> How do you like the Juniper switches?  They just hit the market a month or
> so ago and I haven't had a chance to play with them yet.  I love their
> routers and firewalls and have worked with them for years.  I had hoped that
> they would have purchased Foundry but that never went through so they just
> came out with thier own line, hope they live up to Juniper's good name.
>

Haven't touched a switch yet, but their other products are absolutely
astounding.  I had a VAR call me the other day trying to sell me on Juniper
switches, so I got a bit of info from him.  Sounds like Juniper switches
have continued the legacy of more bang for the buck than Cisco.

-Brian
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From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Mar 10 14:21:24 2008
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:21:24 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Server OS'
In-Reply-To: <courier.47D56F02.00006DA2@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803101146570.21690@cornea.cs.umn.edu>
	<courier.47D56F02.00006DA2@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0803101419480.15966@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com wrote:

> This is a loaded question, and could start a riot / flame war on this 
> list.
>
> It is my duty to inform you that *best* (slipping into flame retardant / 
> riot gear suit) OS for this sort of setup would be Slackware Linux. 
> www.slackware.com
>
> Not to upset the list, pretty much any flavor of Linux will do the job 
> for you.


I don't get "upset" about any recommendations but I have to wonder why you 
recommend Slackware instead of some other distro.  I also wonder why 
FreeBSD is being recommended instead of some Linux solution.  A 
recommendation is nice, but a recommendation that comes with an 
explanation is much more valuable.

Mike


From andyzib at gmail.com  Mon Mar 10 15:07:12 2008
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:07:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations Gbit rack mount switch and NIC
	cards
In-Reply-To: <2c6699da0803100839u1284a058hec5cccbfc89e4496@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65293fcc0803091350j5636c369je73df65b33b3e67@mail.gmail.com>
	<2c6699da0803100839u1284a058hec5cccbfc89e4496@mail.gmail.com>
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Dell PowerConnect switches are good, I haven't run into anything unexpected.

I have had some issues with a Netgear Gig siwtch (don't know the exact
model). When setting up a Link Aggregation Group with a Dell switch,
the end result was a non functioning network until the LAG group was
removed. LAG groups between the Dell switch and another Dell switch as
well as the Dell switch and Cisco switch work fine.

Figure out if you need/want a Layer 2 or Layer 3 switch. If you decide
layer 2, you have to pick between managed and unmanaged. From what I
can tell, you're looking for at least a Layer 2 Managed switch.

Most recent managed switches seem to have a web and CLI config mode.
Also if you're looking for features that your clients may be using,
look for a switch that will do https and ssh for the management and
allows you to disable http and telnet. These features may be required
for various security requirements.

-- 
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com


From jeremy at rosengren.org  Mon Mar 10 15:23:29 2008
From: jeremy at rosengren.org (Jeremy Rosengren)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:23:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Projector help on Debian Etch
In-Reply-To: <002801c882d7$d32388c0$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>
References: <000c01c8814c$c4c71c60$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02><9C8ADD8D-5A07-444F-AC8E-0804E160FD33@rosengren.org>	<000401c88173$418beb10$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>
	<002801c882d7$d32388c0$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>
Message-ID: <47D598C1.9000303@rosengren.org>

Andrew von Nagy wrote:
>> What is the projector's model?
>>     
>
> It's a Sony VPL-VX41. I'm connecting to it using an Analog VGA connector.
>
> Also, the output displays correctly if I switch to another terminal
> (Ctr-Alt-F1 through 6). It's just the X-Window terminal that doesn't display
> correctly.
>
> Any ideas? I'm stuck.
>
> Andrew
>
>   
Interesting - Googling VPL-VX41 comes up with a single web page from 
Ebay Germany.  I don't know any German, but it looks like the native 
resolution of that projector is 1024x768.  In the previous message to 
the list, you noted that your resolution (as noted by xrandr) is 
1280x1024.  Is this a simple matter of sending a resolution to the 
projector that it doesn't like?  Have you tried 1024x768?

-- jeremy
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From jeremy at rosengren.org  Mon Mar 10 15:25:52 2008
From: jeremy at rosengren.org (Jeremy Rosengren)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:25:52 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations Gbit rack mount switch and
	NIC	cards
In-Reply-To: <e3a54b020803101307v797ff3e5x9cbe13179024a0e0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65293fcc0803091350j5636c369je73df65b33b3e67@mail.gmail.com>	<2c6699da0803100839u1284a058hec5cccbfc89e4496@mail.gmail.com>
	<e3a54b020803101307v797ff3e5x9cbe13179024a0e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47D59950.9060900@rosengren.org>

Andrew Zbikowski wrote:
> Dell PowerConnect switches are good, I haven't run into anything unexpected.
>
> I have had some issues with a Netgear Gig siwtch (don't know the exact
> model). When setting up a Link Aggregation Group with a Dell switch,
> the end result was a non functioning network until the LAG group was
> removed. LAG groups between the Dell switch and another Dell switch as
> well as the Dell switch and Cisco switch work fine.
>
> Figure out if you need/want a Layer 2 or Layer 3 switch. If you decide
> layer 2, you have to pick between managed and unmanaged. From what I
> can tell, you're looking for at least a Layer 2 Managed switch.
>
> Most recent managed switches seem to have a web and CLI config mode.
> Also if you're looking for features that your clients may be using,
> look for a switch that will do https and ssh for the management and
> allows you to disable http and telnet. These features may be required
> for various security requirements.
>   
The one thing I didn't like about the PowerConnect 2708 that I picked up 
was that it doesn't support SNMP.  This wasn't a show-stopper for me at 
the time, just a disappointment that I wouldn't be able to run MRTG 
against that particular device.

Other than lack of SNMP, the PowerConnect has been great for SOHO use.

-- j


From tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com  Mon Mar 10 16:01:01 2008
From: tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com (tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:01:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Server OS'
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0803101419480.15966@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803101146570.21690@cornea.cs.umn.edu>
	<courier.47D56F02.00006DA2@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0803101419480.15966@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <courier.47D5A18E.0000704D@b-o-b.homelinux.com>

Mike Miller writes: 

> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com wrote: 
> 
>> This is a loaded question, and could start a riot / flame war on this 
>> list. 
>>
>> It is my duty to inform you that *best* (slipping into flame retardant / 
>> riot gear suit) OS for this sort of setup would be Slackware Linux. 
>> www.slackware.com 
>>
>> Not to upset the list, pretty much any flavor of Linux will do the job 
>> for you.
>  
> 
> I don't get "upset" about any recommendations but I have to wonder why you 
> recommend Slackware instead of some other distro.  

I recommended Slackware because I feel it is the *best* as stated above.  
Other than that, it is my favorite. 

I cannot comment on the *BSD option though. 

Robert De Mars 

I also wonder why
> FreeBSD is being recommended instead of some Linux solution.  A 
> recommendation is nice, but a recommendation that comes with an 
> explanation is much more valuable. 
> 
> Mike 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Mar 10 16:13:07 2008
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:13:07 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Server OS'
In-Reply-To: <courier.47D5A18E.0000704D@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803101146570.21690@cornea.cs.umn.edu>
	<courier.47D56F02.00006DA2@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0803101419480.15966@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<courier.47D5A18E.0000704D@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0803101610350.13077@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com wrote:

> Mike Miller writes:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com wrote:
>>
>>> This is a loaded question, and could start a riot / flame war on this
>>> list.
>>>
>>> It is my duty to inform you that *best* (slipping into flame retardant /
>>> riot gear suit) OS for this sort of setup would be Slackware Linux.
>>> www.slackware.com
>>>
>>> Not to upset the list, pretty much any flavor of Linux will do the job
>>> for you.
>>
>>
>> I don't get "upset" about any recommendations but I have to wonder why you
>> recommend Slackware instead of some other distro.
>
> I recommended Slackware because I feel it is the *best* as stated above.
> Other than that, it is my favorite.


Sure, but there is probably a reason why you think it is the best.  There 
must be some feature that you don't find in other Linux distros.  No?

Mike


From sloncho at gmail.com  Mon Mar 10 16:24:53 2008
From: sloncho at gmail.com (Sunny)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:24:53 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Server OS'
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0803101610350.13077@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803101146570.21690@cornea.cs.umn.edu>
	<courier.47D56F02.00006DA2@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0803101419480.15966@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<courier.47D5A18E.0000704D@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0803101610350.13077@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <e7eeb230803101424t51fa8e42qe1f2f0d0bae61b31@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu> wrote:
>  Sure, but there is probably a reason why you think it is the best.  There
>  must be some feature that you don't find in other Linux distros.  No?
>
>

Back in the early DOS for PC days, there was a flame war which word
processor is best - edit, pe2, etc. And my teacher ended the war with:
"The best word processor is the one you know best."

I guess this can apply for "Why this distro" as well :)

Cheers.


-- 
Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny)

Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just
a pile of scrap.


From aristophrenic at warpmail.net  Mon Mar 10 16:46:06 2008
From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:46:06 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Server OS'
In-Reply-To: <e7eeb230803101424t51fa8e42qe1f2f0d0bae61b31@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803101146570.21690@cornea.cs.umn.edu>
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	<courier.47D5A18E.0000704D@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
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	<e7eeb230803101424t51fa8e42qe1f2f0d0bae61b31@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1205185566.18344.1241636071@webmail.messagingengine.com>

In the case of choosing an OS for a file server, and if we're narrowing
our scope to Unix like OS's and were talking about a relatively small
network, the OS distro you know best factor does carry a lot of weight
among the myriad of factors involved in OS selection. This being because
there's normally not much  difference in file server administration,
performance or security between the various Unix like OS's.


From andrew.vonnagy at comcast.net  Mon Mar 10 16:47:02 2008
From: andrew.vonnagy at comcast.net (Andrew von Nagy)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:47:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Projector help on Debian Etch
In-Reply-To: <47D598C1.9000303@rosengren.org>
References: <000c01c8814c$c4c71c60$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02><9C8ADD8D-5A07-444F-AC8E-0804E160FD33@rosengren.org>	<000401c88173$418beb10$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>
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	<47D598C1.9000303@rosengren.org>
Message-ID: <000e01c882f8$4702b840$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>

> In the previous message to the list, you noted 
> that your resolution (as noted by xrandr) is 1280x1024.  Is 
> this a simple matter of sending a resolution to the projector 
> that it doesn't like?  Have you tried 1024x768?

I tried both 1024x768 and 800x600 but neither works. I get alternating color
and white vertical bars in the output. Sometimes it changes to blinking
colored rectangular areas.

Interestingly, I booted from a Backtrack 2 live CD and started X, and it
works no problem. I check the xorg.conf and it lists a HorizSync 31.5 - 150
and a VertRefresh 75 - 85. So, I then tried those values on Debian, but it
still doesn't work.

I also double-checked the projector model, and I had a typo. It's a Sony
VPL-PX41. The specs on it are:

Portable TFT Active Matrix LCD Projector
Resolution	Native: XGA (1024 x 768)
Compressed: UXGA (1600 x 1200)
Horizontal Scan Rate: 19 - 92 kHz
Vertical Scan Rate: 48 - 92 Hz

I also tried the Debian system with a Dell E173FPB LCD monitor with the same
results; works fine until X is started; works fine with Backtrack 2 CD.

... frustrating.




From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us  Mon Mar 10 15:24:09 2008
From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:24:09 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations Gbit rack mount switch and	NIC
	cards
In-Reply-To: <e3a54b020803101307v797ff3e5x9cbe13179024a0e0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65293fcc0803091350j5636c369je73df65b33b3e67@mail.gmail.com>
	<2c6699da0803100839u1284a058hec5cccbfc89e4496@mail.gmail.com>
	<e3a54b020803101307v797ff3e5x9cbe13179024a0e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47D5529A.9048.009E.0@health.state.mn.us>

>>> On 3/10/2008 at 3:07 PM, in message
<e3a54b020803101307v797ff3e5x9cbe13179024a0e0 at mail.gmail.com>, "Andrew
Zbikowski" <andyzib at gmail.com> wrote:
> Most recent managed switches seem to have a web and CLI config mode.
> Also if you're looking for features that your clients may be using,
> look for a switch that will do https and ssh for the management and
> allows you to disable http and telnet. These features may be required
> for various security requirements.

Andrew,

Do all the Dell managed switches have these features (web/CLI/https/ssh)?

Troy





From leif.t.johnson at gmail.com  Mon Mar 10 17:16:50 2008
From: leif.t.johnson at gmail.com (Leif Johnson)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:16:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Projector help on Debian Etch
In-Reply-To: <000e01c882f8$4702b840$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>
References: <000c01c8814c$c4c71c60$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>
	<9C8ADD8D-5A07-444F-AC8E-0804E160FD33@rosengren.org>
	<000401c88173$418beb10$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>
	<002801c882d7$d32388c0$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>
	<47D598C1.9000303@rosengren.org>
	<000e01c882f8$4702b840$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>
Message-ID: <dbe795460803101516h7f7a37q67c5f075c4363831@mail.gmail.com>

>  Interestingly, I booted from a Backtrack 2 live CD and started X, and it
>  works no problem. I check the xorg.conf and it lists a HorizSync 31.5 - 150
>  and a VertRefresh 75 - 85. So, I then tried those values on Debian, but it
>  still doesn't work.
This raises the questions
1) What version of X are you using(on debain, on backtrack)?
2) What video driver are you using(on debian, on backtrack)?
In your xorg.conf (above) it's listed as the 'nv' driver.  It could be
that nv driver doesn't quite do it.

leif


From tonyyarusso at gmail.com  Mon Mar 10 17:51:45 2008
From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:51:45 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Server OS'
In-Reply-To: <1205185566.18344.1241636071@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803101146570.21690@cornea.cs.umn.edu>
	<courier.47D56F02.00006DA2@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0803101419480.15966@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
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I'd second what Sunny and Isaac said.  Ubuntu is what I know best from other
applications, so it's probably what I'd use for this too, especially with
the upcoming LTS release.  That said, I have heard good things about FreeNAS
especially, so it could be worth looking into as well.
-- 
Tony Yarusso
http://tonyyarusso.com/
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From josh at joshwelch.com  Mon Mar 10 18:20:36 2008
From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:20:36 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations Gbit rack mount switch and
	NIC	cards
In-Reply-To: <65293fcc0803091350j5636c369je73df65b33b3e67@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65293fcc0803091350j5636c369je73df65b33b3e67@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080310232036.0peos9n400c8cowg@joshwelch.com>

Quoting John Meier <john.meier at gmail.com>:

> HI all-
>
> looking for recommendations on Gigabit NIC cards and a rack mount GigaBit
> switch.  In the process of running wire to my new communications rack and
> would like a nice switch - have  3 mythtv frontends, a couple of Linux
> boxes, a couple of Macs and a Time Capsule.
>
> Any recommendations for switch and NICs linux boxes?
>
> thanks!!!

Define nice. I've always liked HP's ProCurve gear, though if you want  
managed gigabit that's going to run you > $1000, last I knew anyway.

For less nice, IMHO, but still better than most of what you'll find at  
Best Buy are the Dell switches. They do fairly well for their cost.

Don't know anything about the state of the consumer gigabit switch  
market these days.

For gigabit NIC cards I've always liked Intel.

Josh



From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Mar 10 19:09:46 2008
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:09:46 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Server OS'
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On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Isaac Atilano wrote:

> In the case of choosing an OS for a file server, and if we're narrowing 
> our scope to Unix like OS's and were talking about a relatively small 
> network, the OS distro you know best factor does carry a lot of weight 
> among the myriad of factors involved in OS selection. This being because 
> there's normally not much difference in file server administration, 
> performance or security between the various Unix like OS's.

Sure, but you wouldn't recommend "the one you know best" to someone else 
who doesn't know it unless you were going to maintain it for him.

Mike


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Mar 10 19:12:07 2008
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:12:07 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Server OS' (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0803101910430.13077@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

Mike Miller wrote:

> Sure, but there is probably a reason why you think it is the best. 
> There must be some feature that you don't find in other Linux distros. 
> No?


Shawn Fertch <sfertch at gmail.com> replied:

Last time I used Slack (v11.0), it was still the smallest footprint out of 
all the major distros.  Yes there are others that are smaller, but they 
are typically minimalist to begin with such as DamnSmallLinux, etc.

Personally, I like Slackware for the fact that out of all of the distros 
I've used, it's the closest to UNIX when compared to others.  Some people 
complain about it, but I prefer it because of working on the big UNIXes 
all day long and it's generally the most familiar to me.  It might not 
conform to the conglomerate of RHEL, Ubuntu, or others.  But, then again, 
standardization and Linux hasn't gone very well together, and most likely 
won't ever do so until it grows up and becomes a bit more of an enterprise 
friendly solution.

-Shawn



Good answer, Shawn.  Thanks.

Mike


From andyzib at gmail.com  Mon Mar 10 20:01:17 2008
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:01:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations Gbit rack mount switch and NIC
	cards
In-Reply-To: <47D5529A.9048.009E.0@health.state.mn.us>
References: <65293fcc0803091350j5636c369je73df65b33b3e67@mail.gmail.com>
	<2c6699da0803100839u1284a058hec5cccbfc89e4496@mail.gmail.com>
	<e3a54b020803101307v797ff3e5x9cbe13179024a0e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<47D5529A.9048.009E.0@health.state.mn.us>
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I'm only familiar with the 33XX, 34XX, and 5224 and 5324. (33XX and
34XX switches are 10/100 switches, replace XX with 24 or 48 for number
of ports., 5224 and 5324 are gig switches).

They all support the features I mentioned as well as SNMP, but some of
the older firmware versions do not. This isn't a big deal as you can
get the firmware updates from Dell for free. Just remember to flash
them before you configure.

Dell recently went to the next generation on their switches, so the
model numbers are 35XX for the 10/100 and 54XX for the gig. We have
some of these on order but they haven't arrived yet so I can't say
much about them.

If you find yourself looking at used gear you might find it helpful to
know that the 5224 is a bit deeper than the 5324.

For the most part the CLI configuration is the same, but there are a
few differences depending on the series, gig vs 10/100, and firmware
revisions. Again something that mostly goes away when everything is
running the latest firmware.

-- 
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com


From marc at e-skinner.net  Mon Mar 10 21:18:15 2008
From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:18:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Server OS'
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803101146570.21690@cornea.cs.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803101146570.21690@cornea.cs.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <47D5EBE7.4060306@e-skinner.net>

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as stated in the other emails ... a bit of a loaded question.

what clients are you looking to serve to?
what backup solution are you thinking about?

what do you have experience in?  linux, bsd, point and click?

everyone on the list has their "favorite" and probably for good reason.

you probably want to define your request a bit more, with some more
details.

what type of hardware are you looking at?
what type of security are you expecting?
are you a command line guru or a mouse man?
what type of enterprise features do you need?  software raid? online growth?

it is a valid question - i think it will help you better if you some
more details in your request for a recommended file server.






krishanson at acm.cs.umn.edu wrote:
> I am looking for an OS to run a file server from, and I'm wondering which 
> OS' are best for the job.  I'm also looking for a non-monetary OS.
> 
> Regards, KH
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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From auditodd at comcast.net  Tue Mar 11 08:31:13 2008
From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:31:13 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Server OS'
Message-ID: <031120081331.9693.47D689A100085F19000025DD22007637040B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>

I used to use FreeNAS...
Then I just bought a 500GB drive for my Linux machine and I use that and Samba for network storage since that machine is on all the time anyway.

Funny thing about FeeNAS...
Every single hard drive that I have used for the OS over the last few years works fine for the FeeNAS OS, but as soon as I try to wipe the drive to reuse it I get a report that there are errors on the drive. Now it might be possible that the drives actually did go bad, but 4 different times? Sounds a little suspicious to me. 

Just my $0.02, but I won't recommend FreeNAS to anyone.

--
==========
Todd Young

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From: "Tony Yarusso" <tonyyarusso at gmail.com>
> I'd second what Sunny and Isaac said.  Ubuntu is what I know best from other
> applications, so it's probably what I'd use for this too, especially with
> the upcoming LTS release.  That said, I have heard good things about FreeNAS
> especially, so it could be worth looking into as well.
> -- 
> Tony Yarusso
> http://tonyyarusso.com/


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From ecrist at secure-computing.net  Tue Mar 11 08:55:19 2008
From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric F Crist)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:55:19 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Server OS'
In-Reply-To: <031120081331.9693.47D689A100085F19000025DD22007637040B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>
References: <031120081331.9693.47D689A100085F19000025DD22007637040B0B019B070B9A0E@comcast.net>
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 From what I've been able to tell, FreeNAS is just FreeBSD with a  
bunch of file-server specific ports pre-installed.  As such, it's not  
doing anything funky with the hard drives - plain old UFS2.

Eric


On Mar 11, 2008, at 8:31 AM, auditodd at comcast.net wrote:

> I used to use FreeNAS...
> Then I just bought a 500GB drive for my Linux machine and I use that  
> and Samba for network storage since that machine is on all the time  
> anyway.
>
> Funny thing about FeeNAS...
> Every single hard drive that I have used for the OS over the last  
> few years works fine for the FeeNAS OS, but as soon as I try to wipe  
> the drive to reuse it I get a report that there are errors on the  
> drive. Now it might be possible that the drives actually did go bad,  
> but 4 different times? Sounds a little suspicious to me.
>
> Just my $0.02, but I won't recommend FreeNAS to anyone.
>
> --
> ==========
> Todd Young
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Tony Yarusso" <tonyyarusso at gmail.com>
>> I'd second what Sunny and Isaac said.  Ubuntu is what I know best  
>> from other
>> applications, so it's probably what I'd use for this too,  
>> especially with
>> the upcoming LTS release.  That said, I have heard good things  
>> about FreeNAS
>> especially, so it could be worth looking into as well.
>> -- 
>> Tony Yarusso
>> http://tonyyarusso.com/
>
>
>
> From: "Tony Yarusso" <tonyyarusso at gmail.com>
> Date: March 10, 2008 5:54:46 PM CDT
> To: "TCLUG List" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Server OS'
>
>
> I'd second what Sunny and Isaac said.  Ubuntu is what I know best  
> from other applications, so it's probably what I'd use for this too,  
> especially with the upcoming LTS release.  That said, I have heard  
> good things about FreeNAS especially, so it could be worth looking  
> into as well.
> -- 
> Tony Yarusso
> http://tonyyarusso.com/  
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Secure Computing Networks




From jeremy at rosengren.org  Tue Mar 11 09:11:22 2008
From: jeremy at rosengren.org (Jeremy Rosengren)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:11:22 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Projector help on Debian Etch
In-Reply-To: <000e01c882f8$4702b840$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>
References: <000c01c8814c$c4c71c60$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02><9C8ADD8D-5A07-444F-AC8E-0804E160FD33@rosengren.org>	<000401c88173$418beb10$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>	<002801c882d7$d32388c0$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>	<47D598C1.9000303@rosengren.org>
	<000e01c882f8$4702b840$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>
Message-ID: <47D6930A.2050009@rosengren.org>

Andrew von Nagy wrote:
>> In the previous message to the list, you noted 
>> that your resolution (as noted by xrandr) is 1280x1024.  Is 
>> this a simple matter of sending a resolution to the projector 
>> that it doesn't like?  Have you tried 1024x768?
>>     
>
> I tried both 1024x768 and 800x600 but neither works. I get alternating color
> and white vertical bars in the output. Sometimes it changes to blinking
> colored rectangular areas.
>
> Interestingly, I booted from a Backtrack 2 live CD and started X, and it
> works no problem. I check the xorg.conf and it lists a HorizSync 31.5 - 150
> and a VertRefresh 75 - 85. So, I then tried those values on Debian, but it
> still doesn't work.
>
> I also double-checked the projector model, and I had a typo. It's a Sony
> VPL-PX41. The specs on it are:
>
> Portable TFT Active Matrix LCD Projector
> Resolution	Native: XGA (1024 x 768)
> Compressed: UXGA (1600 x 1200)
> Horizontal Scan Rate: 19 - 92 kHz
> Vertical Scan Rate: 48 - 92 Hz
>
> I also tried the Debian system with a Dell E173FPB LCD monitor with the same
> results; works fine until X is started; works fine with Backtrack 2 CD.
>
> ... frustrating.
>
>   
I don't use Debian, so apologies for not knowing this:  does Etch have 
X.org now?  If so, you could try renaming xorg.conf to xorg.conf.backup 
(essentially, you're removing xorg.conf).  Without an xorg.conf file, 
X.org will attempt to autoconfigure itself.  It'll choose non-nVidia 
drivers when it does this, but it might get you further along.

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From josh at tcbug.org  Tue Mar 11 09:53:26 2008
From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 09:53:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Server OS' (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0803101910430.13077@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0803101910430.13077@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
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On Monday 10 March 2008 07:12:07 pm Mike Miller wrote:
> Mike Miller wrote:
> > Sure, but there is probably a reason why you think it is the best.
> > There must be some feature that you don't find in other Linux distros.
> > No?
>
> Shawn Fertch <sfertch at gmail.com> replied:
>
> Last time I used Slack (v11.0), it was still the smallest footprint out of
> all the major distros.  Yes there are others that are smaller, but they
> are typically minimalist to begin with such as DamnSmallLinux, etc.
>
> Personally, I like Slackware for the fact that out of all of the distros
> I've used, it's the closest to UNIX when compared to others.  Some people
> complain about it, but I prefer it because of working on the big UNIXes
> all day long and it's generally the most familiar to me.  It might not
> conform to the conglomerate of RHEL, Ubuntu, or others.  But, then again,
> standardization and Linux hasn't gone very well together, and most likely
> won't ever do so until it grows up and becomes a bit more of an enterprise
> friendly solution.
>
> -Shawn
>
>
>
> Good answer, Shawn.  Thanks.
>
> Mike
>

In a lot of ways what OS I'd be using depends heavily on my choice of 
filesystem.  My choice of filesystem depends on how big I'm going to go.

0 - ~2.5TB  UFS2 + SoftUpdates
2.5 TB - ~10TB XFS
10TB +  ZFS

In the first range I'd go with a FreeBSD or FreeNAS solution.  FreeBSD is all 
about stability and server applications.  UFS2 and softupdates were written 
by someone with a doctorate in CompSci, who specialized in filesystems and 
it's been around a long time with a proven record in regards to stability.  
The downside to this solution is that it still does a background fsck after a 
bad shutdown, which tanks I/O performance while it's running, and requires 
about a gig of RAM per TB of filesystem to complete.  People are running UFS2 
+SU up tp the 6-8TB range in production but I don't really recommend that in 
a situation where you might have to fsck (home solution with potentially 
unreliable power)

Second range I'd go with Debian linux.  XFS is hands-down the most tested and 
stable of the journelling filesystems out there, it was professionally 
written and ported to linux. (Thanks SGI)  It suffers from a need to fsck in 
the case of journal replay failure, and has the same 1 Gig of RAM per TB 
problem that UFS2 has, but in practice it takes hardware failure to provoke 
an fsck.  One caveat about XFS is that it caches writes extensively...you 
really don't want to lose power during heavy extended write load.  Debian is 
a great choice for intranet servers where security isn't a huge issue because 
the releases are based on stable well-tested versions of things.  Debian 
knows release engineering as well as any linux distro out there.  

Third range I'd go with ZFS on Solaris.  FreeBSD 7.x has ZFS but it's really 
not ready for prime time yet.  In this case you pay the RAM penalty up front 
but never have to worry about fscking at all.  If you look at the big Sun 
storage boxes (Like the X4500 and friends) you'll see they are over 1 Gig of 
RAM per TB just for "normal" operation. 

Other thoughts:  Linux has a fairly crappy NFS implimentation, unless all you 
are talking to is other linux boxes, in which case it works quite well.  
Linux also has kick-ass software RAID, and the ability to grow RAID arrays + 
xfs_grow is really really nice.  I've used a lot of software RAID 
implimentations, and linux's is as good as or better than anything available 
at any price. (Thanks IBM)  It's worth noting if you're willing to go all 
bleeding edge, FreeBSD 7.0 has geom virstor, which would provide a growable 
filesystem capability.

Ok, I'm out of time and energy on this topic, hope it helps.

-- 
Thanks,

Josh Paetzel

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From josh at tcbug.org  Tue Mar 11 10:37:28 2008
From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 10:37:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Server OS'
In-Reply-To: <C46D9183-E517-481D-9985-0792712AF82C@secure-computing.net>
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On Tuesday 11 March 2008 08:55:19 am Eric F Crist wrote:
>  From what I've been able to tell, FreeNAS is just FreeBSD with a
> bunch of file-server specific ports pre-installed.  As such, it's not
> doing anything funky with the hard drives - plain old UFS2.
>
> Eric
>

I also might note that in over 12 years of FreeBSD I've found it to be 
incredibly critical of the integrity of hardware, especially disks.  FreeBSD 
panics at the first hint of a disk subsystem it can't write to....and it 
complains up and down the world if there are read problems.  I would suspect 
the OP's tools for clearing the drives were complaining about BSD style 
disklabels or somesuch more than they were complaining about hardware 
problems in the disks themselves.

-- 
Thanks,

Josh Paetzel

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From andyzib at gmail.com  Tue Mar 11 14:00:33 2008
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:00:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Server OS'
Message-ID: <47d6d6e1.4d57260a.57ab.12a3@mx.google.com>

The best OS for the job is the one you are best able to support. 

Personally, I'm a fan of Apple OS X server. Currently no other samba based file server comes close to the reliablity and ease of use when it comes to integrating with directory services (specifically Active Drectory). $999 for unlimited clients isn't bad. 

If you're just looing for Windows, the best option is most likely going to be Windows Server 2003 R2. I haven( had a chance to try server 2008 yet. Downside is the licensing could kill you, but if you're dealing with exchange or other windows servers you will need the licensing anyway.

In the free world, find something you're cofrtable with. Package managment is a plus for time crunched admins. Ubuntu LTS and Debian Stable should get you security updates that won't break your conigurations. RedHat and sometimes SuSE hane the best spport from hw vendors. 

Andrew Zbikowski
Sry bout d spln, snt frm my mobl fone.
http://andy.zibnet.us
http://www.itouthouse.com

-----Original Message-----
From: "Eric F Crist" <ecrist at secure-computing.net>
To: auditodd at comcast.net
Cc: "TCLUG List" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Sent: 3/11/2008 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Server OS'

 From what I've been able to tell, FreeNAS is just FreeBSD with a  
bunch of file-server specific ports pre-installed.  As such, it's not  
doing anything funky with the hard drives - plain old UFS2.

Eric


On Mar 11, 2008, at 8:31 AM, auditodd at comcast.net wrote:

> I used to use FreeNAS...
> Then I just bought a 500GB drive for my Linux machine and I use that  
> and Samba for network storage since that machine is on all the time  
> anyway.
>
> Funny thing about FeeNAS...
> Every single hard drive that I have used for the OS over the last  
> few years works fine for the FeeNAS OS, but as soon as I try to wipe  
> the drive to reuse it I get a report that there are errors on the  
> drive. Now it might be possible that the drives actually did go bad,  
> but 4 different times? Sounds a little suspicious to me.
>
> Just my $0.02, but I won't recommend FreeNAS to anyone.
>
> --
> ==========
> Todd Young
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Tony Yarusso" <tonyyarusso at gmail.com>
>> I'd second what Sunny and Isaac said.  Ubuntu is what I know best  
>> from other
>> applications, so it's probably what I'd use for this too,  
>> especially with
>> the upcoming LTS release.  That said, I have heard good things  
>> about FreeNAS
>> especially, so it could be worth looking into as well.
>> -- 
>> Tony Yarusso
>> http://tonyyarusso.com/
>
>
>
> From: "Tony Yarusso" <tonyyarusso at gmail.com>
> Date: March 10, 2008 5:54:46 PM CDT
> To: "TCLUG List" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Server OS'
>
>
> I'd second what Sunny and Isaac said.  Ubuntu is what I know best  
> from other applications, so it's probably what I'd use for this too,  
> especially with the upcoming LTS release.  That said, I have heard  
> good things about FreeNAS especially, so it could be worth looking  
> into as well.
> -- 
> Tony Yarusso
> http://tonyyarusso.com/  
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From andyzib at gmail.com  Tue Mar 11 14:00:47 2008
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:00:47 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Projector help on Debian Etch
Message-ID: <47d6d6ee.4d57260a.57ab.12b7@mx.google.com>

Dell laptops have a toggle for te vga port. Usually Fn+F8 will toggle between laptop lcd only, external display + laptop display, and external display only.

Never tried it on Linux myself so I'm not sure if it's a hardware feature or something that required Dell's QuickSer windows app.

Andrew Zbikowski
Sry bout d spln, snt frm my mobl fone.
http://andy.zibnet.us
http://www.itouthouse.com

-----Original Message-----
From: "Jeremy Rosengren" <jeremy at rosengren.org>
To: "Andrew von Nagy" <andrew.vonnagy at comcast.net>
Cc: "'Twin Cities Linux Users Group'" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Sent: 3/11/2008 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Projector help on Debian Etch

Andrew von Nagy wrote:
>> In the previous message to the list, you noted 
>> that your resolution (as noted by xrandr) is 1280x1024.  Is 
>> this a simple matter of sending a resolution to the projector 
>> that it doesn't like?  Have you tried 1024x768?
>>     
>
> I tried both 1024x768 and 800x600 but neither works. I get alternating color
> and white vertical bars in the output. Sometimes it changes to blinking
> colored rectangular areas.
>
> Interestingly, I booted from a Backtrack 2 live CD and started X, and it
> works no problem. I check the xorg.conf and it lists a HorizSync 31.5 - 150
> and a VertRefresh 75 - 85. So, I then tried those values on Debian, but it
> still doesn't work.
>
> I also double-checked the projector model, and I had a typo. It's a Sony
> VPL-PX41. The specs on it are:
>
> Portable TFT Active Matrix LCD Projector
> Resolution	Native: XGA (1024 x 768)
> Compressed: UXGA (1600 x 1200)
> Horizontal Scan Rate: 19 - 92 kHz
> Vertical Scan Rate: 48 - 92 Hz
>
> I also tried the Debian system with a Dell E173FPB LCD monitor with the same
> results; works fine until X is started; works fine with Backtrack 2 CD.
>
> ... frustrating.
>
>   
I don't use Debian, so apologies for not knowing this:  does Etch have 
X.org now?  If so, you could try renaming xorg.conf to xorg.conf.backup 
(essentially, you're removing xorg.conf).  Without an xorg.conf file, 
X.org will attempt to autoconfigure itself.  It'll choose non-nVidia 
drivers when it does this, but it might get you further along.

-- j



From krishanson at acm.cs.umn.edu  Tue Mar 11 17:19:38 2008
From: krishanson at acm.cs.umn.edu (krishanson at acm.cs.umn.edu)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:19:38 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Server OS' [Refined]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803111612040.2903@cornea.cs.umn.edu>

Some more details as far as my experience and expectations.

Experience:
I've been using Linux for three years, I use the command line as often as 
I can.  I've never used BSD, but I'm open to new experiences.

Expectations:
I want this file server for a couple of reasons.
1) I want to gain experience in administering a server, and I figure that 
this will be a good way to gain some experience in dealing with servers on 
my own time. 
2)I want to install Winblows XP Pro on my second machine, but I want to 
save a bunch of files from it, so I will need something that can talk to 
both Winblows, *nix, and, if possible (though not necessary at all), 
computers running OS' from Apple Inc.

Hardware:
Off the top of my head, my hardware for the server is 1.25 gigs of RAM, 
Asus MOBO, ~500 Gigs of HDD space, split between two PATA drives and a 
SATA drive, either 64MB or 128 MB GFX card (nvidia I believe), AMD Athlon 
2400 CPU.

Security:
For security, I'm thinking ssh/tls, possibly scp.  As far as security of 
the OS, I'm thinking of installing ipcop, or relying on iptables.  Beyond 
that, I would rather have more options for security than I need, instead 
of having more needs than I have options.


Misc:
I am not really looking into backup solutions or raids at the moment, as I 
am piecing this server together from parts I already have, and HDD space 
is (relatively) limited.  Also, when I said "best," I should have said 
"better suited to the task," what with "best" being relative.

So I hope that helps clarify what I'm looking for, and I apologize if it's 
long-winded, I tried to make it as short as possible.

Thank you for the help, KH.


From marc at e-skinner.net  Tue Mar 11 18:59:18 2008
From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 18:59:18 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Server OS' [Refined]
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803111612040.2903@cornea.cs.umn.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803111612040.2903@cornea.cs.umn.edu>
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thats good info.  any modern linux distribution version will have
everything you need.  samba will be the easy way to share files with
windows.  with your other linux and mac you can do samba, nfs or even
ssh based file shares.  if you want to jump into bsd and learn that,
this would be a good time to do so.  it sounds like you are looking to
gain experience - if so ... what are you looking to gain this for?  just
for more knowledge or a job?  if you are looking to gain a certain type
of experience - say Red Hat linux experience, then i would suggest going
with an RPM based linux distribution - Red Hat, Fedora, or CentOS.  if
you are just looking to play and learn, any current version will have
all that you need, as well as any of the bsd flavors.





krishanson at acm.cs.umn.edu wrote:
> Some more details as far as my experience and expectations.
> 
> Experience:
> I've been using Linux for three years, I use the command line as often as 
> I can.  I've never used BSD, but I'm open to new experiences.
> 
> Expectations:
> I want this file server for a couple of reasons.
> 1) I want to gain experience in administering a server, and I figure that 
> this will be a good way to gain some experience in dealing with servers on 
> my own time. 
> 2)I want to install Winblows XP Pro on my second machine, but I want to 
> save a bunch of files from it, so I will need something that can talk to 
> both Winblows, *nix, and, if possible (though not necessary at all), 
> computers running OS' from Apple Inc.
> 
> Hardware:
> Off the top of my head, my hardware for the server is 1.25 gigs of RAM, 
> Asus MOBO, ~500 Gigs of HDD space, split between two PATA drives and a 
> SATA drive, either 64MB or 128 MB GFX card (nvidia I believe), AMD Athlon 
> 2400 CPU.
> 
> Security:
> For security, I'm thinking ssh/tls, possibly scp.  As far as security of 
> the OS, I'm thinking of installing ipcop, or relying on iptables.  Beyond 
> that, I would rather have more options for security than I need, instead 
> of having more needs than I have options.
> 
> 
> Misc:
> I am not really looking into backup solutions or raids at the moment, as I 
> am piecing this server together from parts I already have, and HDD space 
> is (relatively) limited.  Also, when I said "best," I should have said 
> "better suited to the task," what with "best" being relative.
> 
> So I hope that helps clarify what I'm looking for, and I apologize if it's 
> long-winded, I tried to make it as short as possible.
> 
> Thank you for the help, KH.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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From dniesen at gmail.com  Wed Mar 12 17:09:40 2008
From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 17:09:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: XO IP Flex
Message-ID: <47f4d5e70803121509k574a6f55u80cd78bae5c4069f@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone out there had experience with XO's IP Flex services?  It's a
pretty interesting way to mix your voice and data using bonded T1's.  They
just introduced their 10 meg service recently and the price and feature set
is very appealing.

We're replacing a T1 vendor whose service level has dropped dramatically as
of late and we're just looking to make sure we're not jumping on a vendor
who may have more than their share of technical issues.


-- 
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From josh at joshwelch.com  Wed Mar 12 19:29:26 2008
From: josh at joshwelch.com (Josh Welch)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:29:26 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: XO IP Flex
In-Reply-To: <47f4d5e70803121509k574a6f55u80cd78bae5c4069f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47f4d5e70803121509k574a6f55u80cd78bae5c4069f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080313002926.eq69mzvvkgs8ck0s@joshwelch.com>


Quoting Donovan <dniesen at gmail.com>:

> Has anyone out there had experience with XO's IP Flex services?  It's a
> pretty interesting way to mix your voice and data using bonded T1's.  They
> just introduced their 10 meg service recently and the price and feature set
> is very appealing.
>
> We're replacing a T1 vendor whose service level has dropped dramatically as
> of late and we're just looking to make sure we're not jumping on a vendor
> who may have more than their share of technical issues.
>

I'm not familiar with the IP Flex product that you reference, but I  
did use XO as a vendor at a previous job. We had a pair of T1's with  
them and I don't recall any substantial issues. When we first signed  
on with them they were in a bit of a pinch financially, and their  
service desk staffing showed it. They got stabilized and then I didn't  
have any issues with getting in touch with someone on the few times I  
had to call.

I would have stayed with them but Time Warner Telecom came along with  
an obscene price on a 10meg fiber connection and I had to take it :)

Josh



From andrew.vonnagy at comcast.net  Wed Mar 12 20:44:55 2008
From: andrew.vonnagy at comcast.net (Andrew von Nagy)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:44:55 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Projector help on Debian Etch
In-Reply-To: <47D6930A.2050009@rosengren.org>
References: <000c01c8814c$c4c71c60$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02><9C8ADD8D-5A07-444F-AC8E-0804E160FD33@rosengren.org>	<000401c88173$418beb10$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>	<002801c882d7$d32388c0$040a0a0a@W4NM4N02>	<47D598C1.9000303@rosengren.org>
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> I don't use Debian, so apologies for not knowing this:  does 
> Etch have X.org now?  If so, you could try renaming xorg.conf 
> to xorg.conf.backup (essentially, you're removing xorg.conf). 
>  Without an xorg.conf file, X.org will attempt to 
> autoconfigure itself.  It'll choose non-nVidia drivers when 
> it does this, but it might get you further along.
> 

This didn't work, but it got me on the right path. I eventually got the
external projector (and external monitors in general) working by doing the
following...

apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-xconfig
nvidia-xconfig
Ctrl-Alt-Backspace (to restart X)

voila! External displays are now working. Only one monitor works at a time,
but its better than nothing. I'm just happy it works! Now I can work on
TwinView to get both the laptop LCD and the projector displaying at the same
time.

I did notice that the new xorg.conf now lists the driver as "nvidia" instead
of "nv". The sync and refresh rates look the same as I had before.

Thanks for your pointer.

Regards,
Andrew



From pcrequest at gmail.com  Wed Mar 12 23:52:02 2008
From: pcrequest at gmail.com (Aaron Lewis)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:52:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] smokeping server setup - will pay
Message-ID: <8cb4302d0803122152jcda1257r42d452afdfb9dda@mail.gmail.com>

I need to get smokeping server up and running in the next week or so
and I'm looking for help.  I can pay for your time.  I'm trying to get
it to run on CentOS 5.1.  I'm having trouble getting all the
dependencies running.  I'd like to get it running on a "lab" computer
at my place, then get procedures down so I can implement at other
sites.  Please reply to me directly off the list.  Thanks.


From j at cruit.net  Mon Mar 10 16:25:10 2008
From: j at cruit.net (Jeremiah Cruit)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:25:10 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Server OS'
In-Reply-To: <courier.47D5A18E.0000704D@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803101146570.21690@cornea.cs.umn.edu>
	<courier.47D56F02.00006DA2@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0803101419480.15966@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<courier.47D5A18E.0000704D@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
Message-ID: <38aa5b6a0803101425v352551eer80c55cdb25ddad50@mail.gmail.com>

I'd just say go with what you know and just remove all extra packages that
you don't need.  Or if you don't know much than a specific distro like
freenas as mentioned before is great as it is designed just for that.

But another question was broght up:

"Are you sharing with Windows?  Linux?  Old world UNIX?  Commodore 64?"

That made me think what would be the best way to hook up all my Commodore
64s?  And could I build some sort of super powerful cluster out of them with
enough computing power to take on the newest cell phones on the market.

--j


On 3/10/08, tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com <tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com> wrote:
>
> Mike Miller writes:
>
> > On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 tclug at b-o-b.homelinux.com wrote:
> >
> >> This is a loaded question, and could start a riot / flame war on this
> >> list.
> >>
> >> It is my duty to inform you that *best* (slipping into flame retardant
> /
> >> riot gear suit) OS for this sort of setup would be Slackware Linux.
> >> www.slackware.com
> >>
> >> Not to upset the list, pretty much any flavor of Linux will do the job
> >> for you.
> >
> >
> > I don't get "upset" about any recommendations but I have to wonder why
> you
> > recommend Slackware instead of some other distro.
>
> I recommended Slackware because I feel it is the *best* as stated above.
> Other than that, it is my favorite.
>
> I cannot comment on the *BSD option though.
>
> Robert De Mars
>
> I also wonder why
> > FreeBSD is being recommended instead of some Linux solution.  A
> > recommendation is nice, but a recommendation that comes with an
> > explanation is much more valuable.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From ben.usenet.alias at gmail.com  Thu Mar 13 14:02:39 2008
From: ben.usenet.alias at gmail.com (ben usenetalias)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:02:39 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Server OS'
In-Reply-To: <38aa5b6a0803101425v352551eer80c55cdb25ddad50@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803101146570.21690@cornea.cs.umn.edu>
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I'm not sure about the commodore 64, i don't own one, but I'd be happy to
let you look at my massive parallel computing project built from tens of
thousands of casio calculator watches.

On 3/10/08, Jeremiah Cruit <j at cruit.net> wrote:
>
> I'd just say go with what you know and just remove all extra packages that
> you don't need.  Or if you don't know much than a specific distro like
> freenas as mentioned before is great as it is designed just for that.
>
> But another question was broght up:
>
> "Are you sharing with Windows?  Linux?  Old world UNIX?  Commodore 64?"
>
> That made me think what would be the best way to hook up all my Commodore
> 64s?  And could I build some sort of super powerful cluster out of them with
> enough computing power to take on the newest cell phones on the market.
>
> --j
>
>
>
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From ben.usenet.alias at gmail.com  Thu Mar 13 14:02:36 2008
From: ben.usenet.alias at gmail.com (ben usenetalias)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:02:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Server OS'
In-Reply-To: <38aa5b6a0803101425v352551eer80c55cdb25ddad50@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803101146570.21690@cornea.cs.umn.edu>
	<courier.47D56F02.00006DA2@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0803101419480.15966@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
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I'm not sure about the commodore 64, i don't own one, but I'd be happy to
let you look at my massive parallel computing project built from tens of
thousands of casio calculator watches.

On 3/10/08, Jeremiah Cruit <j at cruit.net> wrote:
>
> I'd just say go with what you know and just remove all extra packages that
> you don't need.  Or if you don't know much than a specific distro like
> freenas as mentioned before is great as it is designed just for that.
>
> But another question was broght up:
>
> "Are you sharing with Windows?  Linux?  Old world UNIX?  Commodore 64?"
>
> That made me think what would be the best way to hook up all my Commodore
> 64s?  And could I build some sort of super powerful cluster out of them with
> enough computing power to take on the newest cell phones on the market.
>
> --j
>
>
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From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com  Thu Mar 13 15:06:35 2008
From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (Kelly Black)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:06:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Server OS'
In-Reply-To: <38aa5b6a0803101425v352551eer80c55cdb25ddad50@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803101146570.21690@cornea.cs.umn.edu>
	<courier.47D56F02.00006DA2@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0803101419480.15966@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<courier.47D5A18E.0000704D@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
	<38aa5b6a0803101425v352551eer80c55cdb25ddad50@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080313200635.GA678@mail.hsd1.mn.comcast.net>

On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 04:25:10PM -0500, Jeremiah Cruit wrote:
> That made me think what would be the best way to hook up all my Commodore
> 64s?  And could I build some sort of super powerful cluster out of them with
> enough computing power to take on the newest cell phones on the market.

TFE (The Final Ethernet).....
http://dunkels.com/adam/tfe/index-text.html

To keep this on topic, I suppose we could mention using this as well:

lng.sf.net

Kelly
KB0GBJ


From pcutler at foresightlinux.org  Thu Mar 13 23:20:29 2008
From: pcutler at foresightlinux.org (Paul Cutler)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:20:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Server OS'
In-Reply-To: <20080313200635.GA678@mail.hsd1.mn.comcast.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0803101146570.21690@cornea.cs.umn.edu>
	<courier.47D56F02.00006DA2@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0803101419480.15966@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<courier.47D5A18E.0000704D@b-o-b.homelinux.com>
	<38aa5b6a0803101425v352551eer80c55cdb25ddad50@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080313200635.GA678@mail.hsd1.mn.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4c4ad4df0803132120q54c1f52pe05ff63e8ee45d8d@mail.gmail.com>

I also recommend OpenFiler:  http://www.openfiler.com/

It's also available as an appliance from rPath as an ISO with rPath
Linux so you can install it and be up and running in minutes:
http://www.rpath.org/rbuilder/project/openfiler/

Paul

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Kelly Black
<kelly.black at penguinpackets.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 04:25:10PM -0500, Jeremiah Cruit wrote:
>  > That made me think what would be the best way to hook up all my Commodore
>  > 64s?  And could I build some sort of super powerful cluster out of them with
>  > enough computing power to take on the newest cell phones on the market.
>
>  TFE (The Final Ethernet).....
>  http://dunkels.com/adam/tfe/index-text.html
>
>  To keep this on topic, I suppose we could mention using this as well:
>
>  lng.sf.net
>
>  Kelly
>  KB0GBJ
>
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>  tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>  http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From jpschewe at mtu.net  Fri Mar 14 17:59:33 2008
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:59:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Firefox and sux
Message-ID: <47DB0355.1030906@mtu.net>

I've noticed something very odd with firefox recently.  The VPN that my
company uses is started from a website and since it's a VPN this needs
to run as root.  So when I login, I start up an xterm (or
gnome-terminal) and then execute "sux" to be able to execute X things as
root.  I then start firefox from that window and the VPN comes up just
fine.  The odd behavior is that now when I start up another firefox
window using my regular user account, the new firefox window attaches
itself to the existing one that is running as root, rather than starting
a whole new process.  Does anyone know how to prevent this?

-- 
Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe
If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital
signature.
See http://www.gnupg.org for more information.

For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels 
nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39



From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Fri Mar 14 18:24:51 2008
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:24:51 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Firefox and sux
In-Reply-To: <47DB0355.1030906@mtu.net>
References: <47DB0355.1030906@mtu.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0803141824010.17231@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008, Jon Schewe wrote:

> I've noticed something very odd with firefox recently.  The VPN that my 
> company uses is started from a website and since it's a VPN this needs 
> to run as root.  So when I login, I start up an xterm (or 
> gnome-terminal) and then execute "sux" to be able to execute X things as 
> root.  I then start firefox from that window and the VPN comes up just 
> fine.  The odd behavior is that now when I start up another firefox 
> window using my regular user account, the new firefox window attaches 
> itself to the existing one that is running as root, rather than starting 
> a whole new process.  Does anyone know how to prevent this?

Not sure.  Does this work?...

firefox.exe -new-window <url>

Reference:

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Command_line_arguments,

Mike


From jpschewe at mtu.net  Fri Mar 14 18:52:20 2008
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:52:20 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Firefox and sux
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0803141824010.17231@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <47DB0355.1030906@mtu.net>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0803141824010.17231@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <47DB0FB4.6020700@mtu.net>

Mike Miller wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Mar 2008, Jon Schewe wrote:
>
>   
>> I've noticed something very odd with firefox recently.  The VPN that my 
>> company uses is started from a website and since it's a VPN this needs 
>> to run as root.  So when I login, I start up an xterm (or 
>> gnome-terminal) and then execute "sux" to be able to execute X things as 
>> root.  I then start firefox from that window and the VPN comes up just 
>> fine.  The odd behavior is that now when I start up another firefox 
>> window using my regular user account, the new firefox window attaches 
>> itself to the existing one that is running as root, rather than starting 
>> a whole new process.  Does anyone know how to prevent this?
>>     
>
> Not sure.  Does this work?...
>
> firefox.exe -new-window <url>
>
>   
That creates a new window, which is what I already get, but there is
still only 1 process owned by root.

-- 
Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe
If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital
signature.
See http://www.gnupg.org for more information.

For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels 
nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39



From joey.rockhold at gmail.com  Fri Mar 14 20:09:33 2008
From: joey.rockhold at gmail.com (Joey Rockhold)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:09:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Reading Outlook .msg files with linux
Message-ID: <101e49ea0803141809y66ebb49dnef25396b2eaf9f55@mail.gmail.com>

 Does anyone know of a way to read MS Outlook .msg files in Linux?  I
do not need to manipulate the messages, but if there is an attachment
inside that message, I need to be able to extract that also.

- Joey
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From trnja001 at umn.edu  Fri Mar 14 20:16:59 2008
From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 20:16:59 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Reading Outlook .msg files with linux
In-Reply-To: <101e49ea0803141809y66ebb49dnef25396b2eaf9f55@mail.gmail.com>
References: <101e49ea0803141809y66ebb49dnef25396b2eaf9f55@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47DB238B.9040804@umn.edu>

Thunderbird (e-mail client) should be able to import them.

Joey Rockhold wrote:
> Does anyone know of a way to read MS Outlook .msg files in Linux?  I
> do not need to manipulate the messages, but if there is an attachment
> inside that message, I need to be able to extract that also.
>
> - Joey
>   



From mgreenly at gmail.com  Fri Mar 14 22:10:21 2008
From: mgreenly at gmail.com (michael greenly)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:10:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Firefox and sux
In-Reply-To: <47DB0FB4.6020700@mtu.net>
References: <47DB0355.1030906@mtu.net>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0803141824010.17231@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<47DB0FB4.6020700@mtu.net>
Message-ID: <fe0998f40803142010r77c07107t19d52c4c1173e44f@mail.gmail.com>

I think you need to force it to use two different profiles.  I think
something like this will give you what you want

> sudo firefox -CreateProfile root

Then

> sudo firefox -a root
> firefox


On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Jon Schewe <jpschewe at mtu.net> wrote:

> Mike Miller wrote:
> > On Fri, 14 Mar 2008, Jon Schewe wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I've noticed something very odd with firefox recently.  The VPN that my
> >> company uses is started from a website and since it's a VPN this needs
> >> to run as root.  So when I login, I start up an xterm (or
> >> gnome-terminal) and then execute "sux" to be able to execute X things
> as
> >> root.  I then start firefox from that window and the VPN comes up just
> >> fine.  The odd behavior is that now when I start up another firefox
> >> window using my regular user account, the new firefox window attaches
> >> itself to the existing one that is running as root, rather than
> starting
> >> a whole new process.  Does anyone know how to prevent this?
> >>
> >
> > Not sure.  Does this work?...
> >
> > firefox.exe -new-window <url>
> >
> >
> That creates a new window, which is what I already get, but there is
> still only 1 process owned by root.
>
> --
> Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe <http://mtu.net/%7Ejpschewe>
> If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital
> signature.
> See http://www.gnupg.org for more information.
>
> For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels
> nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any
> powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all
> creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that
> is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



-- 
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From mgreenly at gmail.com  Fri Mar 14 22:25:06 2008
From: mgreenly at gmail.com (michael greenly)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:25:06 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Firefox and sux
In-Reply-To: <fe0998f40803142010r77c07107t19d52c4c1173e44f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47DB0355.1030906@mtu.net>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0803141824010.17231@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<47DB0FB4.6020700@mtu.net>
	<fe0998f40803142010r77c07107t19d52c4c1173e44f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fe0998f40803142025md07ebb3p6d64b4679d1b4913@mail.gmail.com>

After actually looking at it, it needs a unique application id and profile
to be set.  So something like this may work better....

sudo firefox -a root -ProfileManager

Then create the profile for the root user.  Then in the future just select
it to run.

Start you normal firefox instance normally

On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:10 PM, michael greenly <mgreenly at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I think you need to force it to use two different profiles.  I think
> something like this will give you what you want
>
> > sudo firefox -CreateProfile root
>
> Then
>
> > sudo firefox -a root
> > firefox
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Jon Schewe <jpschewe at mtu.net> wrote:
>
> > Mike Miller wrote:
> > > On Fri, 14 Mar 2008, Jon Schewe wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> I've noticed something very odd with firefox recently.  The VPN that
> > my
> > >> company uses is started from a website and since it's a VPN this
> > needs
> > >> to run as root.  So when I login, I start up an xterm (or
> > >> gnome-terminal) and then execute "sux" to be able to execute X things
> > as
> > >> root.  I then start firefox from that window and the VPN comes up
> > just
> > >> fine.  The odd behavior is that now when I start up another firefox
> > >> window using my regular user account, the new firefox window attaches
> > >> itself to the existing one that is running as root, rather than
> > starting
> > >> a whole new process.  Does anyone know how to prevent this?
> > >>
> > >
> > > Not sure.  Does this work?...
> > >
> > > firefox.exe -new-window <url>
> > >
> > >
> > That creates a new window, which is what I already get, but there is
> > still only 1 process owned by root.
> >
> > --
> > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe <http://mtu.net/%7Ejpschewe>
> > If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital
> > signature.
> > See http://www.gnupg.org for more information.
> >
> > For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels
> > nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any
> > powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all
> > creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that
> > is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Michael Greenly
> http://blog.michaelgreenly.com




-- 
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From codeshepherd at gmail.com  Sun Mar 16 04:27:05 2008
From: codeshepherd at gmail.com (Deepan)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:57:05 +0530
Subject: [tclug-list] mplayer full screen
Message-ID: <d472ceb6f485096c19b95bef81f5c2f4@localhost.localdomain>

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From codeshepherd at gmail.com  Sun Mar 16 04:42:09 2008
From: codeshepherd at gmail.com (Deepan)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:12:09 +0530
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT]Facebook app
Message-ID: <19a61776251895bb485614b475634479@localhost.localdomain>

Hi All,

I just wrote a facebook application for playing
Sudoku.
 
Those interested..  
http://apps.facebook.com/sudokusolver/ 

For non-facebook users:
http://www.sudoku-solver.net/ 

Regards 

Deepan 





From sloncho at gmail.com  Sun Mar 16 09:52:58 2008
From: sloncho at gmail.com (Sunny)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:52:58 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] mplayer full screen
In-Reply-To: <d472ceb6f485096c19b95bef81f5c2f4@localhost.localdomain>
References: <d472ceb6f485096c19b95bef81f5c2f4@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <e7eeb230803160752m564c33c7u4b01c3cb83d051fb@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 4:27 AM, Deepan <codeshepherd at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>  I am running Fedora core 7. When I play movies with mplayer, it does not
> play in full screen. Even if I press f for full screen, it plays the movie
> only in the center portion of the screen. I also tried mplayer -vo xv
> movie.avi .. It plays in full screen, but dies after sometime saying my
> system is too slow. I guess is has some thing to do with the video cards..
> is there a fix ?

Try with -vo gl.

What video card you have? What drivers do you use?

-- 
Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny)

Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just
a pile of scrap.


From codeshepherd at gmail.com  Sun Mar 16 10:54:35 2008
From: codeshepherd at gmail.com (Deepan)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:24:35 +0530
Subject: [tclug-list] HP Laptop Mic
Message-ID: <af0306efe07704073bab8b7ef1f64072@localhost.localdomain>

Hi All,
I have Fc 6 on a HP Pavllion dv 6000. I am able to
listen to music on the built in speakers.The
inbuilt mic doesn't work and when connecting
external speakers I don't get the sound on the
external speakers  thought my built in speakers
continue to work. After searching on the internet,
came to  know I had to upgrade alsa drivers. I
downloaded the latest version and  alsa-drivers
and als-libs and did as mentioned in the README.
But  /proc/asound/version still shows me the old
version. What have I missed ? Do I need to 
recompile the kernel ?
Regards 
Deepan 
Facebook Sudoku Solver:
http://apps.facebook.com/sudokusolver/ 
Sudoku Solver: http://www.sudoku-solver.net/ 
Home Page: http://www.codeshepherd/ 




From florin at iucha.net  Sun Mar 16 12:18:06 2008
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:18:06 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] HP Laptop Mic
In-Reply-To: <af0306efe07704073bab8b7ef1f64072@localhost.localdomain>
References: <af0306efe07704073bab8b7ef1f64072@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <20080316171806.GF3247@iris.iucha.org>

On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 09:24:35PM +0530, Deepan wrote:
> I have Fc 6 on a HP Pavllion dv 6000. I am able to
> listen to music on the built in speakers.The
> inbuilt mic doesn't work and when connecting
> external speakers I don't get the sound on the
> external speakers  thought my built in speakers
> continue to work. After searching on the internet,
> came to  know I had to upgrade alsa drivers. I
> downloaded the latest version and  alsa-drivers
> and als-libs and did as mentioned in the README.
> But  /proc/asound/version still shows me the old
> version. What have I missed ?

The /proc/asound/version gives you the version of alsa drivers
which are built into the kernel.

>                               Do I need to 
> recompile the kernel ?

Yes, you need to recompile the kernel.

Cheers,
florin

-- 
Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition.
      http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163
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From jpschewe at mtu.net  Mon Mar 17 06:24:46 2008
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 06:24:46 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Firefox and sux
In-Reply-To: <fe0998f40803142025md07ebb3p6d64b4679d1b4913@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47DB0355.1030906@mtu.net>	
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0803141824010.17231@taxa.epi.umn.edu>	
	<47DB0FB4.6020700@mtu.net>	
	<fe0998f40803142010r77c07107t19d52c4c1173e44f@mail.gmail.com>
	<fe0998f40803142025md07ebb3p6d64b4679d1b4913@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47DE54FE.1010601@mtu.net>

Umm, but wouldn't this still have the browser running as root?  If I
login to X twice (once as user A and once as user B), both users are
able to start firefox separately and the application runs under their
username.  What I'm seeing is that firefox is attaching to a different
users profile (root's from user A).

michael greenly wrote:
> After actually looking at it, it needs a unique application id and
> profile to be set.  So something like this may work better....
>
> sudo firefox -a root -ProfileManager
>
> Then create the profile for the root user.  Then in the future just
> select it to run.
>
> Start you normal firefox instance normally
>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:10 PM, michael greenly <mgreenly at gmail.com
> <mailto:mgreenly at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I think you need to force it to use two different profiles.  I
>     think something like this will give you what you want
>
>     > sudo firefox -CreateProfile root
>
>     Then
>
>     > sudo firefox -a root
>     > firefox
>
>
>
>     On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Jon Schewe <jpschewe at mtu.net
>     <mailto:jpschewe at mtu.net>> wrote:
>
>         Mike Miller wrote:
>         > On Fri, 14 Mar 2008, Jon Schewe wrote:
>         >
>         >
>         >> I've noticed something very odd with firefox recently.  The
>         VPN that my
>         >> company uses is started from a website and since it's a VPN
>         this needs
>         >> to run as root.  So when I login, I start up an xterm (or
>         >> gnome-terminal) and then execute "sux" to be able to
>         execute X things as
>         >> root.  I then start firefox from that window and the VPN
>         comes up just
>         >> fine.  The odd behavior is that now when I start up another
>         firefox
>         >> window using my regular user account, the new firefox
>         window attaches
>         >> itself to the existing one that is running as root, rather
>         than starting
>         >> a whole new process.  Does anyone know how to prevent this?
>         >>
>         >
>         > Not sure.  Does this work?...
>         >
>         > firefox.exe -new-window <url>
>         >
>         >
>         That creates a new window, which is what I already get, but
>         there is
>         still only 1 process owned by root.
>
>         --
>         Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe <http://mtu.net/%7Ejpschewe>
>         If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital
>         signature.
>         See http://www.gnupg.org for more information.
>
>         For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels
>         nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any
>         powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all
>         creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that
>         is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39
>
>
>         _______________________________________________
>         TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>         tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>         http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
>     -- 
>     Michael Greenly
>     http://blog.michaelgreenly.com 
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Michael Greenly
> http://blog.michaelgreenly.com 

-- 
Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe
If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital
signature.
See http://www.gnupg.org for more information.

For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels 
nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39



From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Tue Mar 18 16:57:08 2008
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:57:08 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] IPCop - Topic @PenguinsUnbound Linux Meeting March 29,
	2008
Message-ID: <47E03AB4.5050702@Goecke-Dolan.com>

This months PenguinsUnbound.net meeting
will be Saturday March 29, 2008 at TIES,
1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108
from 10:00 to 12:00.

(See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com/Location_for_Meetings
for directions and more info.)

We will be talking about IPCop, the Linux based Router/Firewall

We will take a look at it features and options, see what you can do with 
it and then install IP Cop, going thr

http://www.penguinsunbound.com/Future_Meetings/20080329_-_IPCop

Thanks, hope to see you there.

==>brian.



From canito at dalan.us  Wed Mar 19 01:00:51 2008
From: canito at dalan.us (David Alanis)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 01:00:51 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Recommendation for Virtualization?
Message-ID: <20080319010051.15zyh9f7vko0cg84@mail.dalan.us>

Good Day:

I am running Gentoo on a HP DV9347cl series laptop and I would like to  
run a few guest operating systems on top of Gentoo. I do not have much  
experience and am seeking some advice.

Currently using Virtualbox 1.5.4, I got Vista Business running without  
any problems and it runs pretty smooth. However, Windows is not my  
concern. I have an upcoming class based on MAC OS X and I would like  
to attempt to take this class running a virtual machine, for  
educational purposes!

I gave Vista a significant amount of space (10G's) and 1G of memory.  
My first question, is it necessary to give that much memory to a guest  
OS (being that I will not be using it for complex movie editing)?

I suppose my most significant question is which application works best  
here, is it Virtualbox, xen, or VMWare? Now here is the catch, when I  
tried running the OS X install it suddenly crashes and honestly I have  
not had much time to look into this, assuming it can(t) be done? Is  
anyone running OS X inside a virtual app? What was the hardest  
challenge in doing so?

I hope someone can provide some input.

thanks in advanced!
David

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From emon at lavabit.com  Wed Mar 19 02:11:55 2008
From: emon at lavabit.com (Emon)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:11:55 +0600
Subject: [tclug-list] [SATLUG] How to compile StarDict??
Message-ID: <47E0BCBB.7020804@lavabit.com>

Hello everyone

I am trying to compile StarDict on my openSUSE10.3 (KDE desktop) machine
after failing to find a SUSE rpm for it.

When I type the configure command it gives me this error...

checking for zlibVersion in -lz... no
configure: error: zlib not found

But from YAST I can see that I have both zlib & zlib-devel pkges installed!!

So what could be the problem??

I am pasting the whole compile story below

Emon

*********************
magicbox:/media/hd/MAGICSTORE/linux/pkgs/10.3/stardict-3.0.1 #
/configure --disable-gnome-support --prefix=/usr --disable-festival
--disable-espeak
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... /bin/mkdir -p
checking for gawk... gawk
checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes
checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no
checking for gconftool-2... /usr/bin/gconftool-2
checking for style of include used by make... GNU
checking for gcc... gcc
checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
checking whether the C compiler works... yes
checking whether we are cross compiling... no
checking for suffix of executables...
checking for suffix of object files... o
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
checking for gcc option to accept ISO C89... none needed
checking dependency style of gcc... gcc3
checking for intltool >= 0.22... 0.36.2 found
checking for perl... /usr/bin/perl
checking for XML::Parser... ok
checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
checking for a sed that does not truncate output... /bin/sed
checking for grep that handles long lines and -e... /bin/grep
checking for egrep... /bin/grep -E
checking for ld used by gcc... /usr/i586-suse-linux/bin/ld
checking if the linker (/usr/i586-suse-linux/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes
checking for /usr/i586-suse-linux/bin/ld option to reload object files... -r
checking for BSD-compatible nm... /usr/bin/nm -B
checking whether ln -s works... yes
checking how to recognize dependent libraries... pass_all
checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E
checking for ANSI C header files... yes
checking for sys/types.h... yes
checking for sys/stat.h... yes
checking for stdlib.h... yes
checking for string.h... yes
checking for memory.h... yes
checking for strings.h... yes
checking for inttypes.h... yes
checking for stdint.h... yes
checking for unistd.h... yes
checking dlfcn.h usability... yes
checking dlfcn.h presence... yes
checking for dlfcn.h... yes
checking for g++... no
checking for c++... no
checking for gpp... no
checking for aCC... no
checking for CC... no
checking for cxx... no
checking for cc++... no
checking for cl.exe... no
checking for FCC... no
checking for KCC... no
checking for RCC... no
checking for xlC_r... no
checking for xlC... no
checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... no
checking whether g++ accepts -g... no
checking dependency style of g++... none
checking for g77... no
checking for xlf... no
checking for f77... no
checking for frt... no
checking for pgf77... no
checking for cf77... no
checking for fort77... no
checking for fl32... no
checking for af77... no
checking for xlf90... no
checking for f90... no
checking for pgf90... no
checking for pghpf... no
checking for epcf90... no
checking for gfortran... no
checking for g95... no
checking for xlf95... no
checking for f95... no
checking for fort... no
checking for ifort... no
checking for ifc... no
checking for efc... no
checking for pgf95... no
checking for lf95... no
checking for ftn... no
checking whether we are using the GNU Fortran 77 compiler... no
checking whether  accepts -g... no
checking the maximum length of command line arguments... 98304
checking command to parse /usr/bin/nm -B output from gcc object... ok
checking for objdir... .libs
checking for ar... ar
checking for ranlib... ranlib
checking for strip... strip
checking if gcc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions... no
checking for gcc option to produce PIC... -fPIC
checking if gcc PIC flag -fPIC works... yes
checking if gcc static flag -static works... yes
checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... yes
checking whether the gcc linker (/usr/i586-suse-linux/bin/ld) supports
shared libraries... yes
checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no
checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so
checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate
checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes
checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build static libraries... no
configure: creating libtool
appending configuration tag "CXX" to libtool
appending configuration tag "F77" to libtool
checking for library containing strerror... none required
checking for gcc... (cached) gcc
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... (cached) yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes
checking for gcc option to accept ISO C89... (cached) none needed
checking dependency style of gcc... (cached) gcc3
checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... (cached) no
checking whether g++ accepts -g... (cached) no
checking dependency style of g++... (cached) none
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... (cached) yes
checking for stdlib.h... (cached) yes
checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes
checking for getpagesize... no
checking for working mmap... no
checking locale.h usability... no
checking locale.h presence... no
checking for locale.h... no
checking libintl.h usability... no
checking libintl.h presence... no
checking for libintl.h... no
checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config
checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes
checking for ENCHANT... yes
checking for GUCHARMAP... yes
checking for STARDICT... yes
Disable gnome support
checking for zlibVersion in -lz... no
configure: error: zlib not found
magicbox:/media/hd/MAGICSTORE/linux/pkgs/10.3/stardict-3.0.1 #



From jpschewe at mtu.net  Wed Mar 19 06:45:30 2008
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:45:30 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [SATLUG] How to compile StarDict??
In-Reply-To: <47E0BCBB.7020804@lavabit.com>
References: <47E0BCBB.7020804@lavabit.com>
Message-ID: <47E0FCDA.1010900@mtu.net>

See config.log and check what the compiler flags are.  Do you have a
32-bit or 64-bit kernel installed?  If you have a 64-bit kernel
installed and the configure script forces 32-bit (look for -m32 in the
compiler args) you'll need the 32-bit zlib-devel package.

Emon wrote:
> Hello everyone
> 
> I am trying to compile StarDict on my openSUSE10.3 (KDE desktop) machine
> after failing to find a SUSE rpm for it.
> 
> When I type the configure command it gives me this error...
> 
> checking for zlibVersion in -lz... no
> configure: error: zlib not found
> 
> But from YAST I can see that I have both zlib & zlib-devel pkges installed!!
> 
> So what could be the problem??
> 
> I am pasting the whole compile story below
> 
> Emon
> 
> *********************
> magicbox:/media/hd/MAGICSTORE/linux/pkgs/10.3/stardict-3.0.1 #
> /configure --disable-gnome-support --prefix=/usr --disable-festival
> --disable-espeak
> checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
> checking whether build environment is sane... yes
> checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... /bin/mkdir -p
> checking for gawk... gawk
> checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes
> checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no
> checking for gconftool-2... /usr/bin/gconftool-2
> checking for style of include used by make... GNU
> checking for gcc... gcc
> checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
> checking whether the C compiler works... yes
> checking whether we are cross compiling... no
> checking for suffix of executables...
> checking for suffix of object files... o
> checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes
> checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
> checking for gcc option to accept ISO C89... none needed
> checking dependency style of gcc... gcc3
> checking for intltool >= 0.22... 0.36.2 found
> checking for perl... /usr/bin/perl
> checking for XML::Parser... ok
> checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
> checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu
> checking for a sed that does not truncate output... /bin/sed
> checking for grep that handles long lines and -e... /bin/grep
> checking for egrep... /bin/grep -E
> checking for ld used by gcc... /usr/i586-suse-linux/bin/ld
> checking if the linker (/usr/i586-suse-linux/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes
> checking for /usr/i586-suse-linux/bin/ld option to reload object files... -r
> checking for BSD-compatible nm... /usr/bin/nm -B
> checking whether ln -s works... yes
> checking how to recognize dependent libraries... pass_all
> checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E
> checking for ANSI C header files... yes
> checking for sys/types.h... yes
> checking for sys/stat.h... yes
> checking for stdlib.h... yes
> checking for string.h... yes
> checking for memory.h... yes
> checking for strings.h... yes
> checking for inttypes.h... yes
> checking for stdint.h... yes
> checking for unistd.h... yes
> checking dlfcn.h usability... yes
> checking dlfcn.h presence... yes
> checking for dlfcn.h... yes
> checking for g++... no
> checking for c++... no
> checking for gpp... no
> checking for aCC... no
> checking for CC... no
> checking for cxx... no
> checking for cc++... no
> checking for cl.exe... no
> checking for FCC... no
> checking for KCC... no
> checking for RCC... no
> checking for xlC_r... no
> checking for xlC... no
> checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... no
> checking whether g++ accepts -g... no
> checking dependency style of g++... none
> checking for g77... no
> checking for xlf... no
> checking for f77... no
> checking for frt... no
> checking for pgf77... no
> checking for cf77... no
> checking for fort77... no
> checking for fl32... no
> checking for af77... no
> checking for xlf90... no
> checking for f90... no
> checking for pgf90... no
> checking for pghpf... no
> checking for epcf90... no
> checking for gfortran... no
> checking for g95... no
> checking for xlf95... no
> checking for f95... no
> checking for fort... no
> checking for ifort... no
> checking for ifc... no
> checking for efc... no
> checking for pgf95... no
> checking for lf95... no
> checking for ftn... no
> checking whether we are using the GNU Fortran 77 compiler... no
> checking whether  accepts -g... no
> checking the maximum length of command line arguments... 98304
> checking command to parse /usr/bin/nm -B output from gcc object... ok
> checking for objdir... .libs
> checking for ar... ar
> checking for ranlib... ranlib
> checking for strip... strip
> checking if gcc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions... no
> checking for gcc option to produce PIC... -fPIC
> checking if gcc PIC flag -fPIC works... yes
> checking if gcc static flag -static works... yes
> checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... yes
> checking whether the gcc linker (/usr/i586-suse-linux/bin/ld) supports
> shared libraries... yes
> checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no
> checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so
> checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate
> checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes
> checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes
> checking whether to build shared libraries... yes
> checking whether to build static libraries... no
> configure: creating libtool
> appending configuration tag "CXX" to libtool
> appending configuration tag "F77" to libtool
> checking for library containing strerror... none required
> checking for gcc... (cached) gcc
> checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... (cached) yes
> checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes
> checking for gcc option to accept ISO C89... (cached) none needed
> checking dependency style of gcc... (cached) gcc3
> checking whether we are using the GNU C++ compiler... (cached) no
> checking whether g++ accepts -g... (cached) no
> checking dependency style of g++... (cached) none
> checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
> checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... (cached) yes
> checking for stdlib.h... (cached) yes
> checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes
> checking for getpagesize... no
> checking for working mmap... no
> checking locale.h usability... no
> checking locale.h presence... no
> checking for locale.h... no
> checking libintl.h usability... no
> checking libintl.h presence... no
> checking for libintl.h... no
> checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config
> checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes
> checking for ENCHANT... yes
> checking for GUCHARMAP... yes
> checking for STARDICT... yes
> Disable gnome support
> checking for zlibVersion in -lz... no
> configure: error: zlib not found
> magicbox:/media/hd/MAGICSTORE/linux/pkgs/10.3/stardict-3.0.1 #
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

-- 
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If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital
signature.
See http://www.gnupg.org for more information.

For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels
nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any
powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all
creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that
is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Wed Mar 19 08:44:20 2008
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:44:20 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200803191344.m2JDiKs23748@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Tivo HD

I bought this from Woot
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(click 'Previous' at the bottom until you find March 5)

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warranty

I choose not to give my CC# for the subscription service.

Selling for 179.99 (my purchase price)

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Seller Email address: dbradley at shps dot com

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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Wed Mar 19 09:32:40 2008
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 09:32:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200803191432.m2JEWeB27331@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: HP Rack

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From andyzib at gmail.com  Wed Mar 19 11:19:13 2008
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew Zbikowski)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:19:13 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Recommendation for Virtualization?
In-Reply-To: <20080319010051.15zyh9f7vko0cg84@mail.dalan.us>
References: <20080319010051.15zyh9f7vko0cg84@mail.dalan.us>
Message-ID: <e3a54b020803190919m33434644m27c6332c1f96b52a@mail.gmail.com>

Mac OS X can only be run on Apple hardware. More accurately, legally
Mac OS X can only be run on Apple hardware, but in the context of the
TCLUG list, the first statement is valid.

-- 
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com


From canito at dalan.us  Wed Mar 19 12:00:32 2008
From: canito at dalan.us (David Alanis)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:00:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Recommendation for Virtualization?
In-Reply-To: <e3a54b020803190919m33434644m27c6332c1f96b52a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080319010051.15zyh9f7vko0cg84@mail.dalan.us>
	<e3a54b020803190919m33434644m27c6332c1f96b52a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080319120032.0h24chi9co04s8g0@mail.dalan.us>

Quoting Andrew Zbikowski <andyzib at gmail.com>:

> Mac OS X can only be run on Apple hardware. More accurately, legally
> Mac OS X can only be run on Apple hardware, but in the context of the
> TCLUG list, the first statement is valid.
>
> --
> Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
> IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com
>

What would be the constraint from asking such a legitimate question on  
a mailing list?

Would running such search from the privacy of my home implicate me in any way?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=how+to+run+MAC+OS+X+virtualbox+xen

It doesn't really matter, I will refine my question:

Would anyone like to share their experience which of the three  
applications (Virtualbox, xen, VMWare) renders the most options,  
optimization, user friendlyness, and performance?

Hardware: HP DV9347cl
OS:       Gentoo

Thank you in advance,
David

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From erikerik at gmail.com  Wed Mar 19 12:16:49 2008
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:16:49 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Recommendation for Virtualization?
In-Reply-To: <20080319120032.0h24chi9co04s8g0@mail.dalan.us>
References: <20080319010051.15zyh9f7vko0cg84@mail.dalan.us>
	<e3a54b020803190919m33434644m27c6332c1f96b52a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080319120032.0h24chi9co04s8g0@mail.dalan.us>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0803191016y5cc55d27re8239026f46f58ba@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:00 PM, David Alanis <canito at dalan.us> wrote:
>
>  Would anyone like to share their experience which of the three
>  applications (Virtualbox, xen, VMWare) renders the most options,
>  optimization, user friendlyness, and performance?

At work, I was called upon to set up a linux VPS system for our
developers to use.  I ended up using UML (user mode linux) for the
virtualization. With UML, you're limited to only using linux guests
(as it requires a guest kernel patch), but that wasn't a problem in my
case.  Thus far, I've been *very* happy with both the performance and
stability of the UML system. I currently have eight guest instances
running, ranging from 512MB->2048MB RAM and from 10G->200G disk.  Each
of these servers has between 1 and 5 developers pounding on it at a
time, and I have yet to hear any complaints on performance.

The host OS is Gentoo, linux-2.6.20 (with the skas3 patch), running on
a Dell PowerEdge 2970 (Dual AMD Opteron 2212s, 8GB RAM).

At this point, I've just been using an ubuntu image for the guests,
with linux-2.6.23.14 guest kernels.

-Erik


From erikerik at gmail.com  Wed Mar 19 12:29:15 2008
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:29:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Recommendation for Virtualization?
In-Reply-To: <fc40260f0803191016y5cc55d27re8239026f46f58ba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080319010051.15zyh9f7vko0cg84@mail.dalan.us>
	<e3a54b020803190919m33434644m27c6332c1f96b52a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080319120032.0h24chi9co04s8g0@mail.dalan.us>
	<fc40260f0803191016y5cc55d27re8239026f46f58ba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fc40260f0803191029o165d3e7i485506a97f362bcc@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Erik Anderson <erikerik at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  At work, I was called upon to set up a linux VPS system for our
>  developers to use.  I ended up using UML (user mode linux) for the
>  virtualization. With UML, you're limited to only using linux guests
>  (as it requires a guest kernel patch), but that wasn't a problem in my
>  case.  Thus far, I've been *very* happy with both the performance and
>  stability of the UML system. I currently have eight guest instances
>  running, ranging from 512MB->2048MB RAM and from 10G->200G disk.  Each
>  of these servers has between 1 and 5 developers pounding on it at a
>  time, and I have yet to hear any complaints on performance.
>
>  The host OS is Gentoo, linux-2.6.20 (with the skas3 patch), running on
>  a Dell PowerEdge 2970 (Dual AMD Opteron 2212s, 8GB RAM).
>
>  At this point, I've just been using an ubuntu image for the guests,
>  with linux-2.6.23.14 guest kernels.

I should add - getting UML set up was pretty easy, but it's by no
means a point-and-click deal like VMWare and/or Virtualbox.  As long
as you're somewhat comfortable with the commandline and familiar with
linux networking, it should be no problem.  I gave Xen a try before
settling on UML, and found UML a lot more simple to get going.

-erik


-- 
Erik Anderson
http://andersonfam.org


From Bruce.Broecker at toro.com  Wed Mar 19 12:30:02 2008
From: Bruce.Broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:30:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [SATLUG] How to compile StarDict??
In-Reply-To: <47E0BCBB.7020804@lavabit.com>
References: <47E0BCBB.7020804@lavabit.com>
Message-ID: <C3D9EE274D1F3A4EB9AA0488B6C99FC4086BCF78@lynms601.global.ad.toro.com>

-----Original Message-----
>From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Emon
>Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:12 AM
>To: TCLUG Mailing List
>Subject: [tclug-list] [SATLUG] How to compile StarDict??

>Hello everyone

>I am trying to compile StarDict on my openSUSE10.3 (KDE desktop)
machine
>after failing to find a SUSE rpm for it.

According to http://rpm.pbone.net there are stardict rpms in the base
OpenSuSE distribution.

See
ftp.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3/repo/oss/suse/<arch>/stardict-2.4.8-3
5.<arch>.rpm

Where <arch> is your architecture, either i586 or x86_64
 
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From erikerik at gmail.com  Wed Mar 19 12:43:29 2008
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:43:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Recommendation for Virtualization?
In-Reply-To: <20080319124108.t9ohqgjb0kc80wsw@mail.dalan.us>
References: <20080319010051.15zyh9f7vko0cg84@mail.dalan.us>
	<e3a54b020803190919m33434644m27c6332c1f96b52a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080319120032.0h24chi9co04s8g0@mail.dalan.us>
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	<20080319124108.t9ohqgjb0kc80wsw@mail.dalan.us>
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On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:41 PM, David Alanis <canito at dalan.us> wrote:
> Thank you Erik!

You're welcome. If you choose to go with UML, feel free to send along
any questions you have along the way.  There's a fairly active uml
mailing list and irc channel available to you as well.

-erik


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Wed Mar 19 13:20:13 2008
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:20:13 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200803191820.m2JIKDr06489@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

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Type of Ad: For Free

Subject: Sony Vaio PC

Sony Vaio PC mini tower PC for free.
model PCV-RX260DS
I think this is a PIII 800 Mhz
392 MB RAM, DVD drive, no HD, no floppy, onboard nic, internal modem, keyboard included.

Seller Email address: blackcrow77 at yahoo dot com

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From rlbnd at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 19 12:51:08 2008
From: rlbnd at yahoo.com (Robert Clements)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:51:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] help
Message-ID: <375692.61297.qm@web32904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have NT servers and a linux domain controller running samba and ldap.  My administrator  samba password expire and I tried to change it in the windows prompt. It took but now I can not change the password with smbtools.  I can change the unix password just fine.


Thanks in advance for any help.


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From codeshepherd at gmail.com  Wed Mar 19 17:08:07 2008
From: codeshepherd at gmail.com (Deepan)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 03:38:07 +0530
Subject: [tclug-list] Sendmail configuration
Message-ID: <6d897e210034680556e41b95f4913991@localhost.localdomain>

Hi All,
I am using sendmail via php mail function to send
emails. However few servers reject my mails with
the error 'Sender address rejected: Domain not
found', since mails from my server are sent as
email at localhost.localdomain. How do I change this
to a valid domain name ? We only own a public IP.
we dont really have a domain name, is it possible
to use IP ? 
Regards
Deepan
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From admin at lctn.org  Wed Mar 19 17:50:33 2008
From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:50:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] help
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I have NT servers and a linux domain controller running samba and ldap. My administrator samba password expire and I tried to change it in the windows prompt. It took but now I can not change the password with smbtools. I can change the unix password just fine. 


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From marc at e-skinner.net  Wed Mar 19 18:32:08 2008
From: marc at e-skinner.net (marc at e-skinner.net)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:32:08 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Recommendation for Virtualization?
In-Reply-To: <20080319010051.15zyh9f7vko0cg84@mail.dalan.us>
References: <20080319010051.15zyh9f7vko0cg84@mail.dalan.us>
Message-ID: <20080319173208.i51ardju4o080g8c@webmail.littlebirdtech.com>

I have been using XEN on Red Hat, CentOS and Fedora.  KVM is also very  
interesting as it is the new bleeding edge hypervisor in Fedora.  The  
new virtmanager in RH and CenOS 5.1 is very nice and lets you point'n  
click your way through intallations.  Command line is always there.   
KVM is now also available in Fedora as an option and looks to be the  
hypervisor of the future.

I have seen a "hacked" version of OS X running in XEN - and yes, it is  
a NO-NO!









Quoting David Alanis <canito at dalan.us>:

> Good Day:
>
> I am running Gentoo on a HP DV9347cl series laptop and I would like to
> run a few guest operating systems on top of Gentoo. I do not have much
> experience and am seeking some advice.
>
> Currently using Virtualbox 1.5.4, I got Vista Business running without
> any problems and it runs pretty smooth. However, Windows is not my
> concern. I have an upcoming class based on MAC OS X and I would like
> to attempt to take this class running a virtual machine, for
> educational purposes!
>
> I gave Vista a significant amount of space (10G's) and 1G of memory.
> My first question, is it necessary to give that much memory to a guest
> OS (being that I will not be using it for complex movie editing)?
>
> I suppose my most significant question is which application works best
> here, is it Virtualbox, xen, or VMWare? Now here is the catch, when I
> tried running the OS X install it suddenly crashes and honestly I have
> not had much time to look into this, assuming it can(t) be done? Is
> anyone running OS X inside a virtual app? What was the hardest
> challenge in doing so?
>
> I hope someone can provide some input.
>
> thanks in advanced!
> David
>
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From marc at e-skinner.net  Wed Mar 19 20:55:16 2008
From: marc at e-skinner.net (marc at e-skinner.net)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:55:16 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] help
In-Reply-To: <14645557.2191205967033614.JavaMail.root@mail.lctn.org>
References: <14645557.2191205967033614.JavaMail.root@mail.lctn.org>
Message-ID: <20080319195516.fwhae53nwos8kg44@webmail.littlebirdtech.com>

posting your linux smb.conf file might help.

Quoting admin at lctn.org:

>
>
>
> I have NT servers and a linux domain controller running samba and   
> ldap. My administrator samba password expire and I tried to change   
> it in the windows prompt. It took but now I can not change the   
> password with smbtools. I can change the unix password just fine.
>
>
> Thanks in advance for any help.
>
>
>
>
> smbpasswd?
>
>
>





From s.earl.martin at gmail.com  Wed Mar 19 21:31:24 2008
From: s.earl.martin at gmail.com (Sam Martin)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:31:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Recommendation for Virtualization?
In-Reply-To: <20080319173208.i51ardju4o080g8c@webmail.littlebirdtech.com>
References: <20080319010051.15zyh9f7vko0cg84@mail.dalan.us>
	<20080319173208.i51ardju4o080g8c@webmail.littlebirdtech.com>
Message-ID: <d9a50e890803191931k2aefbb31xb874e7a64c8ae775@mail.gmail.com>

Based on googling '(vmware OR virtualbox OR xen) (osx OR leopard OR
tiger OR "os x")', there are a number of legally ambiguous (read:
illegal) ways of getting Mac OS on plain 'ol Intel hardware.  The gist
is that you need:

1) A copy of Mac OS, patched to remove any pesky checks that only work
on Apple hardware.  This is one of the more legally questionable
parts, as you're ostensibly downloading said copy of Mac OS from a
torrent site (thus sharing your ill-gotten gains with others), and
because monkeying around with the OS code itself (i.e., "patching") is
a giant legal no-no, at least according to Apple's EULA (well, I
assume so... has anyone, in recorded history, ever read a license
agreement?).  It doesn't look like a stock OS X install disk will
work.

-- and --

2) Pretty recent Intel hardware.  Your CPU needs to support, IIRC,
SSE2, SSE3, and probably a bunch of other fun initialisms.   So you
probably need at least a Core2Duo, or something along those lines.

On the other hand, if you have a spare Panther license, and some
patience (and, again, the will to brave legally murky waters), pearpc
would be an option.  I believe pearpc will work with a stock install
disk.  It's not the latest-and-greatest Mac OS, but if your goal is
tinkering with an Apple UI, it'd be a good start.  Of course, you
could always just buy a Mac...

As for virtualization in general, I've had good luck with VirtualBox
when I've been stuck with a Windoze-only app for whatever reason.
Performance-wise, I don't think you'll see much difference between any
of the major virtualization apps.  The main differences would probably
lie in the ease of allowing the guest OS to see your external devices
(e.g., the iPod+iTunes -- hey, Apple again! -- combo can be tricky).
Google would be your best bet in those cases...

Good luck,

sm


From neal.krasnoff at gmail.com  Wed Mar 19 21:37:53 2008
From: neal.krasnoff at gmail.com (Neal Krasnoff)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 21:37:53 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] FOR SALE: Sun W1100Z
Message-ID: <CB840544BFA3464A87242723A30868ED047D95@mpls.chabad.local>

For sale:

Sun Java Workstation W1100Z, currently in operation.
Will sell with 1GB RAM; CDROM drive; NO HD, framebuffer, keyboard or mouse;
minor internal alteration, scratch on side of case.

Reasonable offer.

Thanks,
Neal
neal.krasnoff at gmail.com 





From canito at dalan.us  Wed Mar 19 22:11:36 2008
From: canito at dalan.us (David Alanis)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:11:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Recommendation for Virtualization?
In-Reply-To: <d9a50e890803191931k2aefbb31xb874e7a64c8ae775@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080319010051.15zyh9f7vko0cg84@mail.dalan.us>
	<20080319173208.i51ardju4o080g8c@webmail.littlebirdtech.com>
	<d9a50e890803191931k2aefbb31xb874e7a64c8ae775@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080319221136.014hnxhb4k0wkcgo@mail.dalan.us>

Quoting Sam Martin <s.earl.martin at gmail.com>:

> Based on googling '(vmware OR virtualbox OR xen) (osx OR leopard OR
> tiger OR "os x")', there are a number of legally ambiguous (read:
> illegal) ways of getting Mac OS on plain 'ol Intel hardware.  The gist
> is that you need:
>
> 1) A copy of Mac OS, patched to remove any pesky checks that only work
> on Apple hardware.  This is one of the more legally questionable
> parts, as you're ostensibly downloading said copy of Mac OS from a
> torrent site (thus sharing your ill-gotten gains with others), and
> because monkeying around with the OS code itself (i.e., "patching") is
> a giant legal no-no, at least according to Apple's EULA (well, I
> assume so... has anyone, in recorded history, ever read a license
> agreement?).  It doesn't look like a stock OS X install disk will
> work.
>
> -- and --
>
> 2) Pretty recent Intel hardware.  Your CPU needs to support, IIRC,
> SSE2, SSE3, and probably a bunch of other fun initialisms.   So you
> probably need at least a Core2Duo, or something along those lines.
>
> On the other hand, if you have a spare Panther license, and some
> patience (and, again, the will to brave legally murky waters), pearpc
> would be an option.  I believe pearpc will work with a stock install
> disk.  It's not the latest-and-greatest Mac OS, but if your goal is
> tinkering with an Apple UI, it'd be a good start.  Of course, you
> could always just buy a Mac...
>
> As for virtualization in general, I've had good luck with VirtualBox
> when I've been stuck with a Windoze-only app for whatever reason.
> Performance-wise, I don't think you'll see much difference between any
> of the major virtualization apps.  The main differences would probably
> lie in the ease of allowing the guest OS to see your external devices
> (e.g., the iPod+iTunes -- hey, Apple again! -- combo can be tricky).
> Google would be your best bet in those cases...
>
> Good luck,
>
> sm
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

Thank you.

I've been playing around with Virtualbox but not extensively. My first  
attempt at this was running AsteriskNOW but unable to get it  
networked. I will not be using MAC OS X, instead I will try to find an  
alternative - I think it runs on a version of FreeBSD 5.0 if I  
remember correctly?

I did receive a few other recommendations, one of them from an old  
friend who swears by XEN and Erik recommended UML I've been emerging  
world for a few hours and should be done soon, then I can give XEN and  
UML a run.

thanks for the replies.

D

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From thoth.serath at gmail.com  Wed Mar 19 23:52:49 2008
From: thoth.serath at gmail.com (Chris Gloege)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:52:49 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 39, Issue 21
In-Reply-To: <mailman.496.1205969557.31653.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
References: <mailman.496.1205969557.31653.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <7c055dc50803192152m10bde7d7p80103daea4e1bb56@mail.gmail.com>

I have used VMware only, but I can say it is a great program.  VMware has a
series of online seminars, though I am not sure if they are still doing
them.  I would recommend trying it, they  allow you to try it before you buy
it...

On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 5:32 PM, <tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org> wrote:

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>   3. Re: Recommendation for Virtualization? (Erik Anderson)
>   4. Re: [SATLUG] How to compile StarDict?? (Bruce Broecker)
>   5. Re: Recommendation for Virtualization? (Erik Anderson)
>   6. New TCLUG Classified Ad (TCLUG Classifieds)
>   7. help (Robert Clements)
>   8. Sendmail configuration (Deepan)
>   9. Re: help (admin at lctn.org)
>  10. Re: Recommendation for Virtualization? (marc at e-skinner.net)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:00:32 -0500
> From: David Alanis <canito at dalan.us>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Recommendation for Virtualization?
> To: Andrew Zbikowski <andyzib at gmail.com>
> Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID: <20080319120032.0h24chi9co04s8g0 at mail.dalan.us>
> Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=ISO-8859-1;     DelSp="Yes";
>        format="flowed"
>
> Quoting Andrew Zbikowski <andyzib at gmail.com>:
>
> > Mac OS X can only be run on Apple hardware. More accurately, legally
> > Mac OS X can only be run on Apple hardware, but in the context of the
> > TCLUG list, the first statement is valid.
> >
> > --
> > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
> > IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com
> >
>
> What would be the constraint from asking such a legitimate question on
> a mailing list?
>
> Would running such search from the privacy of my home implicate me in any
> way?
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=how+to+run+MAC+OS+X+virtualbox+xen
>
> It doesn't really matter, I will refine my question:
>
> Would anyone like to share their experience which of the three
> applications (Virtualbox, xen, VMWare) renders the most options,
> optimization, user friendlyness, and performance?
>
> Hardware: HP DV9347cl
> OS:       Gentoo
>
> Thank you in advance,
> David
>
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:16:49 -0500
> From: "Erik Anderson" <erikerik at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Recommendation for Virtualization?
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID:
>        <fc40260f0803191016y5cc55d27re8239026f46f58ba at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:00 PM, David Alanis <canito at dalan.us> wrote:
> >
> >  Would anyone like to share their experience which of the three
> >  applications (Virtualbox, xen, VMWare) renders the most options,
> >  optimization, user friendlyness, and performance?
>
> At work, I was called upon to set up a linux VPS system for our
> developers to use.  I ended up using UML (user mode linux) for the
> virtualization. With UML, you're limited to only using linux guests
> (as it requires a guest kernel patch), but that wasn't a problem in my
> case.  Thus far, I've been *very* happy with both the performance and
> stability of the UML system. I currently have eight guest instances
> running, ranging from 512MB->2048MB RAM and from 10G->200G disk.  Each
> of these servers has between 1 and 5 developers pounding on it at a
> time, and I have yet to hear any complaints on performance.
>
> The host OS is Gentoo, linux-2.6.20 (with the skas3 patch), running on
> a Dell PowerEdge 2970 (Dual AMD Opteron 2212s, 8GB RAM).
>
> At this point, I've just been using an ubuntu image for the guests,
> with linux-2.6.23.14 guest kernels.
>
> -Erik
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:29:15 -0500
> From: "Erik Anderson" <erikerik at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Recommendation for Virtualization?
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID:
>        <fc40260f0803191029o165d3e7i485506a97f362bcc at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Erik Anderson <erikerik at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >  At work, I was called upon to set up a linux VPS system for our
> >  developers to use.  I ended up using UML (user mode linux) for the
> >  virtualization. With UML, you're limited to only using linux guests
> >  (as it requires a guest kernel patch), but that wasn't a problem in my
> >  case.  Thus far, I've been *very* happy with both the performance and
> >  stability of the UML system. I currently have eight guest instances
> >  running, ranging from 512MB->2048MB RAM and from 10G->200G disk.  Each
> >  of these servers has between 1 and 5 developers pounding on it at a
> >  time, and I have yet to hear any complaints on performance.
> >
> >  The host OS is Gentoo, linux-2.6.20 (with the skas3 patch), running on
> >  a Dell PowerEdge 2970 (Dual AMD Opteron 2212s, 8GB RAM).
> >
> >  At this point, I've just been using an ubuntu image for the guests,
> >  with linux-2.6.23.14 guest kernels.
>
> I should add - getting UML set up was pretty easy, but it's by no
> means a point-and-click deal like VMWare and/or Virtualbox.  As long
> as you're somewhat comfortable with the commandline and familiar with
> linux networking, it should be no problem.  I gave Xen a try before
> settling on UML, and found UML a lot more simple to get going.
>
> -erik
>
>
> --
> Erik Anderson
> http://andersonfam.org
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:30:02 -0500
> From: "Bruce Broecker" <Bruce.Broecker at toro.com>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [SATLUG] How to compile StarDict??
> To: "TCLUG Mailing List" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
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> -----Original Message-----
> >From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Emon
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 2:12 AM
> >To: TCLUG Mailing List
> >Subject: [tclug-list] [SATLUG] How to compile StarDict??
>
> >Hello everyone
>
> >I am trying to compile StarDict on my openSUSE10.3 (KDE desktop)
> machine
> >after failing to find a SUSE rpm for it.
>
> According to http://rpm.pbone.net there are stardict rpms in the base
> OpenSuSE distribution.
>
> See
> ftp.opensuse.org/distribution/10.3/repo/oss/suse/<arch>/stardict-2.4.8-3
> 5.<arch>.rpm
>
> Where <arch> is your architecture, either i586 or x86_64
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:43:29 -0500
> From: "Erik Anderson" <erikerik at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Recommendation for Virtualization?
> To: "David Alanis" <canito at dalan.us>, "TCLUG List"
>        <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
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> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 12:41 PM, David Alanis <canito at dalan.us> wrote:
> > Thank you Erik!
>
> You're welcome. If you choose to go with UML, feel free to send along
> any questions you have along the way.  There's a fairly active uml
> mailing list and irc channel available to you as well.
>
> -erik
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:20:13 -0500
> From: TCLUG Classifieds <webmaster at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID: <200803191820.m2JIKDr06489 at crusader.real-time.com>
>
> New TCLUG Classified Ad
>
> Category: Computer
>
> Type of Ad: For Free
>
> Subject: Sony Vaio PC
>
> Sony Vaio PC mini tower PC for free.
> model PCV-RX260DS
> I think this is a PIII 800 Mhz
> 392 MB RAM, DVD drive, no HD, no floppy, onboard nic, internal modem,
> keyboard included.
>
> Seller Email address: blackcrow77 at yahoo dot com
>
> http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:51:08 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Robert Clements <rlbnd at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [tclug-list] help
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> I have NT servers and a linux domain controller running samba and ldap.
>  My administrator  samba password expire and I tried to change it in the
> windows prompt. It took but now I can not change the password with smbtools.
>  I can change the unix password just fine.
>
>
> Thanks in advance for any help.
>
>
> Rob
>
>
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> From: Deepan <codeshepherd at gmail.com>
> Subject: [tclug-list] Sendmail configuration
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> Hi All,
> I am using sendmail via php mail function to send
> emails. However few servers reject my mails with
> the error 'Sender address rejected: Domain not
> found', since mails from my server are sent as
> email at localhost.localdomain. How do I change this
> to a valid domain name ? We only own a public IP.
> we dont really have a domain name, is it possible
> to use IP ?
> Regards
> Deepan
> Facebook Sudoku Solver:
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:50:33 -0500 (CDT)
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>
>
> I have NT servers and a linux domain controller running samba and ldap. My
> administrator samba password expire and I tried to change it in the windows
> prompt. It took but now I can not change the password with smbtools. I can
> change the unix password just fine.
>
>
> Thanks in advance for any help.
>
>
>
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> From: marc at e-skinner.net
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Recommendation for Virtualization?
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> I have been using XEN on Red Hat, CentOS and Fedora.  KVM is also very
> interesting as it is the new bleeding edge hypervisor in Fedora.  The
> new virtmanager in RH and CenOS 5.1 is very nice and lets you point'n
> click your way through intallations.  Command line is always there.
> KVM is now also available in Fedora as an option and looks to be the
> hypervisor of the future.
>
> I have seen a "hacked" version of OS X running in XEN - and yes, it is
> a NO-NO!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Quoting David Alanis <canito at dalan.us>:
>
> > Good Day:
> >
> > I am running Gentoo on a HP DV9347cl series laptop and I would like to
> > run a few guest operating systems on top of Gentoo. I do not have much
> > experience and am seeking some advice.
> >
> > Currently using Virtualbox 1.5.4, I got Vista Business running without
> > any problems and it runs pretty smooth. However, Windows is not my
> > concern. I have an upcoming class based on MAC OS X and I would like
> > to attempt to take this class running a virtual machine, for
> > educational purposes!
> >
> > I gave Vista a significant amount of space (10G's) and 1G of memory.
> > My first question, is it necessary to give that much memory to a guest
> > OS (being that I will not be using it for complex movie editing)?
> >
> > I suppose my most significant question is which application works best
> > here, is it Virtualbox, xen, or VMWare? Now here is the catch, when I
> > tried running the OS X install it suddenly crashes and honestly I have
> > not had much time to look into this, assuming it can(t) be done? Is
> > anyone running OS X inside a virtual app? What was the hardest
> > challenge in doing so?
> >
> > I hope someone can provide some input.
> >
> > thanks in advanced!
> > David
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From josh at tcbug.org  Thu Mar 20 08:23:05 2008
From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:23:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Sendmail configuration
In-Reply-To: <6d897e210034680556e41b95f4913991@localhost.localdomain>
References: <6d897e210034680556e41b95f4913991@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200803200823.11384.josh@tcbug.org>

On Wednesday 19 March 2008 05:08:07 pm Deepan wrote:
> Hi All,
> I am using sendmail via php mail function to send
> emails. However few servers reject my mails with
> the error 'Sender address rejected: Domain not
> found', since mails from my server are sent as
> email at localhost.localdomain. How do I change this
> to a valid domain name ? We only own a public IP.
> we dont really have a domain name, is it possible
> to use IP ?
> Regards
> Deepan

In order to get around this spam check, I'd recommend relaying all of your 
email through an upstream mailserver that has properly configured DNS.  
Sendmail calls this a "smarthost" and cleverly hides it as D....so you'd have 
Dsome.relay.com in your sendmail.cf

Your other option is to set up working forward DNS on the machine, set a FQDN 
hostname, and make sure your reverse DNS matches.

If you try sand use a bare IP with no DNS people will drop your mail.

-- 
Thanks,

Josh Paetzel

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From sraun at fireopal.org  Thu Mar 20 11:01:01 2008
From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:01:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT? What's the current received wisdom on Visi?
Message-ID: <20080320160101.GB28834@fireopal.org>

As of three days ago, my ISP (InfinityAccessnet, AKA IAXS) has been
acquired - lock, stock, and barrel - by Visi. The announcement letter
says the complete physical plant and all employees are now with Visi.

I wish I'd known this was coming - we just paid for a year of service
(pay by the year gets one month free), so we're kind of locked in
through the end of either March 2008. I could probably cancel service
and get a pro-rated refund, but that's a hassle I'm not willing to go
through quite yet.

I get bandwidth, one static IP, and DNS from IAXS. They've got no
problems with me running a server that's providing mail, ssh & http
services. I haven't had <b>any</b> problems with my connectivity since
we cleared up the local DSL termination (which was a QWest problem)
within a year of moving into the house. That means I haven't had to
touch anything ISP-related for, nearly ten years? Admittedly, I've
been getting 256k up/down - QWest is, as I understand it, provisioning
640k up/down, but IAXS could limit to 256k. Our cost to QWest is
$28/month, to IAXS is $275/year.

I know Visi was the ISP of choice among my friends for several years,
but that was some time ago. What's their current reputation? Who's
currently got the best reputation? Anyone with a better reputation
than Visi have a plan that would give me more bang for my buck? I know
that if I go to QWest I'll have to get business class for the static
IP, and while that's not a non-starter, it's pretty close.

-- 
Scott Raun
sraun at fireopal.org


From florin at iucha.net  Thu Mar 20 13:39:38 2008
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:39:38 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT? What's the current received wisdom on Visi?
In-Reply-To: <20080320160101.GB28834@fireopal.org>
References: <20080320160101.GB28834@fireopal.org>
Message-ID: <20080320183938.GP3247@iris.iucha.org>

On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 11:01:01AM -0500, Scott Raun wrote:
> As of three days ago, my ISP (InfinityAccessnet, AKA IAXS) has been
> acquired - lock, stock, and barrel - by Visi. The announcement letter
> says the complete physical plant and all employees are now with Visi.
> 
> I wish I'd known this was coming - we just paid for a year of service
> (pay by the year gets one month free), so we're kind of locked in
> through the end of either March 2008. I could probably cancel service
> and get a pro-rated refund, but that's a hassle I'm not willing to go
> through quite yet.
> 
> I get bandwidth, one static IP, and DNS from IAXS. They've got no
> problems with me running a server that's providing mail, ssh & http
> services. I haven't had <b>any</b> problems with my connectivity since
> we cleared up the local DSL termination (which was a QWest problem)
> within a year of moving into the house. That means I haven't had to
> touch anything ISP-related for, nearly ten years? Admittedly, I've
> been getting 256k up/down - QWest is, as I understand it, provisioning
> 640k up/down, but IAXS could limit to 256k. Our cost to QWest is
> $28/month, to IAXS is $275/year.
> 
> I know Visi was the ISP of choice among my friends for several years,
> but that was some time ago. What's their current reputation? Who's
> currently got the best reputation? Anyone with a better reputation
> than Visi have a plan that would give me more bang for my buck? I know
> that if I go to QWest I'll have to get business class for the static
> IP, and while that's not a non-starter, it's pretty close.

I'm using Visi for more than five years with no problems whatsoever.

The static IP is included in their connectivity package, and I only
had to send an e-mail to the tech support asking them to set up
reverse DNS for my domain.  I don't remember more than two-three hours
of downtime (total) during this period.  I do host my e-mail and web
server - there was no adverse provision in the contract and I never
heard anything from them on the matter, either.

I strongly recommend them.  I only wish more businesses were run like
that and would treat customers like that.

florin

PS: I don't have any financial affiliation with Visi (other that the
twice-yearly payment for Internet connectivity) and I don't personally
know anybody there, either.

-- 
Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition.
      http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163
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From josh at trutwins.homeip.net  Thu Mar 20 16:31:38 2008
From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:31:38 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT? What's the current received wisdom on Visi?
In-Reply-To: <20080320183938.GP3247@iris.iucha.org>
References: <20080320160101.GB28834@fireopal.org>
	<20080320183938.GP3247@iris.iucha.org>
Message-ID: <20080320163138.6c26ce8d@sinkhole.intrcomm.net>

On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:39:38 -0500
Florin Iucha <florin at iucha.net> wrote:

> I'm using Visi for more than five years with no problems whatsoever.

Odd - we've been using them for a while, and while I cannot say I've
dealt with them much (more the programmer than the IT guy) we've been
very frustrated a couple times.

About a year ago my coworker and I migrated about a dozen servers
from a half rack to a full rack.  At 3:00 AM it was time to flip the
switch but when we did no Inet into the new rack.  Someone tried to
troubleshoot.  No go.  So we waited until 4:30 AM (!!!) for some guy
to drive across the metro only to discover that a wire he put in the
main cabinet was *pulled* by someone else because it didn't have a
label on it.

About 1/2 year ago they had a power outage, but also the backup UPS
on our rack was bad so we had all our hosting servers offline for
about a half day.  I don't understand the details of this one, all I
know is power outage + bad UPS equaled lots of downtime.

About a month ago we had a hardware issue on a server that crashed
about 4:00 in the morning with an ext3 kernel error on an rmdir of
all things.  We couldn't get someone from Visi to run an fsck
(fsck!!!) on the console without special permissions from some guy
who was in a meeting most of the day and somehow completely
unreachable.  Server completely offline until about 2:00 pm, people in
Colorado pissed at their site/email/app not up.

> I strongly recommend them.  I only wish more businesses were run
> like that and would treat customers like that.

See above, draw your own conclusions.  I guess YMMV is very
appropriate here. :)

Josh


From florin at iucha.net  Thu Mar 20 16:51:56 2008
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:51:56 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT? What's the current received wisdom on Visi?
In-Reply-To: <20080320163138.6c26ce8d@sinkhole.intrcomm.net>
References: <20080320160101.GB28834@fireopal.org>
	<20080320183938.GP3247@iris.iucha.org>
	<20080320163138.6c26ce8d@sinkhole.intrcomm.net>
Message-ID: <20080320215155.GW3247@iris.iucha.org>

On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 04:31:38PM -0500, Josh Trutwin wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 13:39:38 -0500 Florin Iucha <florin at iucha.net> wrote:
> 
> > I'm using Visi for more than five years with no problems whatsoever.
> 
> Odd - we've been using them for a while, and while I cannot say I've
> dealt with them much (more the programmer than the IT guy) we've been
> very frustrated a couple times.
[snip]
> > I strongly recommend them.  I only wish more businesses were run
> > like that and would treat customers like that.
> 
> See above, draw your own conclusions.  I guess YMMV is very
> appropriate here. :)

No argument here.

The only clarification I would like to add is that I only used their
DSL/ISP services, not co-location, hosting or anything else.  Just an
IP on a wire...  And that worked for me without problem.

YMMV,
florin

-- 
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      http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163
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From josh at trutwins.homeip.net  Thu Mar 20 17:04:22 2008
From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:04:22 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT? What's the current received wisdom on Visi?
In-Reply-To: <20080320215155.GW3247@iris.iucha.org>
References: <20080320160101.GB28834@fireopal.org>
	<20080320183938.GP3247@iris.iucha.org>
	<20080320163138.6c26ce8d@sinkhole.intrcomm.net>
	<20080320215155.GW3247@iris.iucha.org>
Message-ID: <20080320170422.60f3c690@sinkhole.intrcomm.net>

On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:51:56 -0500
Florin Iucha <florin at iucha.net> wrote:

> No argument here.
> 
> The only clarification I would like to add is that I only used their
> DSL/ISP services, not co-location, hosting or anything else.  Just
> an IP on a wire...  And that worked for me without problem.

Ah yes, I saw visi and hit reply before even seeing OP's full email.
A really good colo in the cities (or anywhere) is hard to find, we're
still with Visi for that, but I'd certainly be curious if anyone has
recommendations, something more along the North/West side of the
metro?

Thanks,

Josh


From ecrist at secure-computing.net  Thu Mar 20 17:13:10 2008
From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric F Crist)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:13:10 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT? What's the current received wisdom on Visi?
In-Reply-To: <20080320170422.60f3c690@sinkhole.intrcomm.net>
References: <20080320160101.GB28834@fireopal.org>
	<20080320183938.GP3247@iris.iucha.org>
	<20080320163138.6c26ce8d@sinkhole.intrcomm.net>
	<20080320215155.GW3247@iris.iucha.org>
	<20080320170422.60f3c690@sinkhole.intrcomm.net>
Message-ID: <5BDCEC26-4964-474E-8889-EA245B58B43E@secure-computing.net>

On Mar 20, 2008, at 5:04 PM, Josh Trutwin wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:51:56 -0500
> Florin Iucha <florin at iucha.net> wrote:
>
>> No argument here.
>>
>> The only clarification I would like to add is that I only used their
>> DSL/ISP services, not co-location, hosting or anything else.  Just
>> an IP on a wire...  And that worked for me without problem.
>
> Ah yes, I saw visi and hit reply before even seeing OP's full email.
> A really good colo in the cities (or anywhere) is hard to find, we're
> still with Visi for that, but I'd certainly be curious if anyone has
> recommendations, something more along the North/West side of the
> metro?


Whereas they're not on the North side of the metro, ipHouse is  
downtown, built and run by a group of the original(?) Visi founders  
and staff.  I've been using them for a number of years both at home  
with my own servers and DSL and at work we have a 2 rack colo which  
has been pretty solid.

Feel free to ask any questions on or off list.
-----
Eric F Crist
Secure Computing Networks




From natecars at natecarlson.com  Thu Mar 20 17:52:14 2008
From: natecars at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 17:52:14 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] OT? What's the current received wisdom on Visi?
In-Reply-To: <20080320170422.60f3c690@sinkhole.intrcomm.net>
References: <20080320160101.GB28834@fireopal.org>
	<20080320183938.GP3247@iris.iucha.org>
	<20080320163138.6c26ce8d@sinkhole.intrcomm.net>
	<20080320215155.GW3247@iris.iucha.org>
	<20080320170422.60f3c690@sinkhole.intrcomm.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0803201747310.22481@iron.msp.technicality.org>

On Thu, 20 Mar 2008, Josh Trutwin wrote:
> Ah yes, I saw visi and hit reply before even seeing OP's full email. A 
> really good colo in the cities (or anywhere) is hard to find, we're 
> still with Visi for that, but I'd certainly be curious if anyone has 
> recommendations, something more along the North/West side of the metro?

ipHouse (they are in Minneapolis) does a good job, at least I've had great 
luck with them. I've got my personal rack'o'gear there.

Time Warner Telecom has a DC in Minnetonka.. they are expensive, though; 
at least unless you need a big chunk of bandwidth.

BHI's got a DC in Eden Prairie; http://www.bhi.com/colocation.htm

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| nate carlson | natecars at natecarlson.com | http://www.natecarlson.com |
|       depriving some poor village of its idiot since 1981            |
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From josh at tcbug.org  Thu Mar 20 19:04:54 2008
From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 19:04:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT? What's the current received wisdom on Visi?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0803201747310.22481@iron.msp.technicality.org>
References: <20080320160101.GB28834@fireopal.org>
	<20080320170422.60f3c690@sinkhole.intrcomm.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0803201747310.22481@iron.msp.technicality.org>
Message-ID: <200803201905.01421.josh@tcbug.org>

On Thursday 20 March 2008 05:52:14 pm Nate Carlson wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Mar 2008, Josh Trutwin wrote:
> > Ah yes, I saw visi and hit reply before even seeing OP's full email. A
> > really good colo in the cities (or anywhere) is hard to find, we're
> > still with Visi for that, but I'd certainly be curious if anyone has
> > recommendations, something more along the North/West side of the metro?
>
> ipHouse (they are in Minneapolis) does a good job, at least I've had great
> luck with them. I've got my personal rack'o'gear there.
>
> Time Warner Telecom has a DC in Minnetonka.. they are expensive, though;
> at least unless you need a big chunk of bandwidth.
>
> BHI's got a DC in Eden Prairie; http://www.bhi.com/colocation.htm
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

I've got gear in IPHouse and USInternet.  USI is pricey, but they have real 
live people in their datacenter 24/7, and real people watching the cameras at 
least enough so that a friend of mine that works for them has mentioned 
seeing me there in the DC working on stuff.  In about 3 years or so I've 
never had faults on USI's side knock my stuff off.  IPHouse has had a bit of 
silly downtime due to rebooting redundant systems simultaniously, and their 
bandwidth pricing is also not incredibly cheap, but it's cheaper than USI by 
a bit.  They also seem to have heat issues in their DC, lots and lots of open 
floor and ambient temps that get me a tad nervous once in a while.  Either 
one has been easy to work with, as far as getting ip space allocated and/or 
provisioning bandwidth.

I've been using visi as my residential ISP for ages.  They support my cisco 
DSL gear, route a /28 down to me without making me jump through hoops, and 
are very nice about running servers and responding quickly to rDNS requests.  
I've toured their datacenter, I forget what made IPHouse a more compelling 
choice though....

-- 
Thanks,

Josh Paetzel

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From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com  Fri Mar 21 18:09:05 2008
From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:09:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Renaming a folder with a different character set
Message-ID: <bada98250803211609j2123327bl7f6d947c340cdc15@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not 100% sure how this folder arrived on my doorstep, but I'm having
some problems with it. As you can see in the screenshot, the name is pretty
bizarre, and once I click on the folder (i know it's supposed to be a
folder) it disappears. Attempting to move it or rename it using the command
line have failed so far.

Any ideas? There are files inside that folder that I need.

Thank you

-- 
Jordan Peacock
hewhocutsdown at gmail.com
hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com
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From trnja001 at umn.edu  Fri Mar 21 18:25:02 2008
From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:25:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Renaming a folder with a different character set
In-Reply-To: <bada98250803211609j2123327bl7f6d947c340cdc15@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bada98250803211609j2123327bl7f6d947c340cdc15@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47E443CE.7060701@umn.edu>

Open up command line (terminal) and change directory to where that 
directory or file is located. Type in "mv 2006***press tab button 
here*** newname" where ***press tab button here*** means you actually 
press the tab button (once or twice) for tab name completion.

Jordan Peacock wrote:
> I'm not 100% sure how this folder arrived on my doorstep, but I'm 
> having some problems with it. As you can see in the screenshot, the 
> name is pretty bizarre, and once I click on the folder (i know it's 
> supposed to be a folder) it disappears. Attempting to move it or 
> rename it using the command line have failed so far.
>
> Any ideas? There are files inside that folder that I need.
>
> Thank you
>
> -- 
> Jordan Peacock
> hewhocutsdown at gmail.com <mailto:hewhocutsdown at gmail.com>
> hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com <http://hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------



From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com  Fri Mar 21 18:56:59 2008
From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:56:59 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Renaming a folder with a different character set
In-Reply-To: <47E443CE.7060701@umn.edu>
References: <bada98250803211609j2123327bl7f6d947c340cdc15@mail.gmail.com>
	<47E443CE.7060701@umn.edu>
Message-ID: <bada98250803211656m3c0e6728q90f4ca960092cbed@mail.gmail.com>

The first error is received using your suggestion. I tried adding a
directory in that folder with the name 'newname', which yielded the second
error.

root at jubuntu:/media/Jrobo/03 - Tagged, Listened, Unsorted# mv 2006-07-10\ -\
S??gl??pur 2006-07-10\ -\ S??gl??pur newname
*mv: target `newname' is not a directory*
root at jubuntu:/media/Jrobo/03 - Tagged, Listened, Unsorted# sudo mv
2006-07-10\ -\ S??gl??pur 2006-07-10\ -\ S??gl??pur newname
*mv: cannot stat `2006-07-10 - S??gl??pur': No such file or directory
mv: cannot stat `2006-07-10 - S??gl??pur': No such file or directory*
root at jubuntu:/media/Jrobo/03 - Tagged, Listened, Unsorted#

Thank you

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Elvedin Trnjanin <trnja001 at umn.edu> wrote:

> Open up command line (terminal) and change directory to where that
> directory or file is located. Type in "mv 2006***press tab button
> here*** newname" where ***press tab button here*** means you actually
> press the tab button (once or twice) for tab name completion.
>
> Jordan Peacock wrote:
> > I'm not 100% sure how this folder arrived on my doorstep, but I'm
> > having some problems with it. As you can see in the screenshot, the
> > name is pretty bizarre, and once I click on the folder (i know it's
> > supposed to be a folder) it disappears. Attempting to move it or
> > rename it using the command line have failed so far.
> >
> > Any ideas? There are files inside that folder that I need.
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > --
> > Jordan Peacock
> > hewhocutsdown at gmail.com <mailto:hewhocutsdown at gmail.com>
> > hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com <http://hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com>
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>


-- 
Jordan Peacock
hewhocutsdown at gmail.com
hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com
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From trnja001 at umn.edu  Fri Mar 21 19:01:44 2008
From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:01:44 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Renaming a folder with a different character set
In-Reply-To: <bada98250803211656m3c0e6728q90f4ca960092cbed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bada98250803211609j2123327bl7f6d947c340cdc15@mail.gmail.com>	
	<47E443CE.7060701@umn.edu>
	<bada98250803211656m3c0e6728q90f4ca960092cbed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47E44C68.2030706@umn.edu>

Try quotes around the name after you tab name complete it -

mv "2006-07-10\ -\ S??gl??pur 2006-07-10\ -\ S??gl??pur" newname

What you'd type - mv "2006***press tab***" newname

Jordan Peacock wrote:
> The first error is received using your suggestion. I tried adding a
> directory in that folder with the name 'newname', which yielded the
> second error.
>
> root at jubuntu:/media/Jrobo/03 - Tagged, Listened, Unsorted# mv
> 2006-07-10\ -\ S??gl??pur 2006-07-10\ -\ S??gl??pur newname
> *mv: target `newname' is not a directory*
> root at jubuntu:/media/Jrobo/03 - Tagged, Listened, Unsorted# sudo mv
> 2006-07-10\ -\ S??gl??pur 2006-07-10\ -\ S??gl??pur newname
> *mv: cannot stat `2006-07-10 - S??gl??pur': No such file or directory
> mv: cannot stat `2006-07-10 - S??gl??pur': No such file or directory*
> root at jubuntu:/media/Jrobo/03 - Tagged, Listened, Unsorted#



From dean at ripperd.com  Fri Mar 21 18:54:04 2008
From: dean at ripperd.com (Dean E)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:54:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Renaming a folder with a different character set
In-Reply-To: <47E443CE.7060701@umn.edu>
References: <bada98250803211609j2123327bl7f6d947c340cdc15@mail.gmail.com>
	<47E443CE.7060701@umn.edu>
Message-ID: <47E44A9C.5000606@ripperd.com>

And if tab-completion can't grab it yet, try something like this pseudo 
code in C or perl:

int i=1
for each $folder in $currentworkingdir{
	rename $folder $i
	i++
	}

I think that will grab them without ever knowing their original names, 
and rename the folders to 1,2,3,4, etc.



Elvedin Trnjanin wrote:
> Open up command line (terminal) and change directory to where that 
> directory or file is located. Type in "mv 2006***press tab button 
> here*** newname" where ***press tab button here*** means you actually 
> press the tab button (once or twice) for tab name completion.
> 
> Jordan Peacock wrote:
>> I'm not 100% sure how this folder arrived on my doorstep, but I'm 
>> having some problems with it. As you can see in the screenshot, the 
>> name is pretty bizarre, and once I click on the folder (i know it's 
>> supposed to be a folder) it disappears. Attempting to move it or 
>> rename it using the command line have failed so far.
>>
>> Any ideas? There are files inside that folder that I need.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> -- 
>> Jordan Peacock
>> hewhocutsdown at gmail.com <mailto:hewhocutsdown at gmail.com>
>> hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com <http://hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com  Fri Mar 21 19:05:24 2008
From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:05:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Renaming a folder with a different character set
In-Reply-To: <47E44C68.2030706@umn.edu>
References: <bada98250803211609j2123327bl7f6d947c340cdc15@mail.gmail.com>
	<47E443CE.7060701@umn.edu>
	<bada98250803211656m3c0e6728q90f4ca960092cbed@mail.gmail.com>
	<47E44C68.2030706@umn.edu>
Message-ID: <bada98250803211705i4a608027qdf430de6a45a8706@mail.gmail.com>

Same issue

root at jubuntu:/media/Jrobo/03 - Tagged, Listened, Unsorted# mv "2006-07-10\
-\ S??gl??pur 2006-07-10\ -\ S??gl??pur" newname
*mv: cannot stat `2006-07-10\\ -\\ S??gl??pur 2006-07-10\\ -\\ S??gl??pur':
No such file or directory*
root at jubuntu:/media/Jrobo/03 - Tagged, Listened, Unsorted#

The quotes shouldn't have been necessary anyway, as the \ escapes the spaces
in the name.

2008/3/21 Elvedin Trnjanin <trnja001 at umn.edu>:

> Try quotes around the name after you tab name complete it -
>
> mv "2006-07-10\ -\ S??gl??pur 2006-07-10\ -\ S??gl??pur" newname
>
> What you'd type - mv "2006***press tab***" newname
>
> Jordan Peacock wrote:
> > The first error is received using your suggestion. I tried adding a
> > directory in that folder with the name 'newname', which yielded the
> > second error.
> >
> > root at jubuntu:/media/Jrobo/03 - Tagged, Listened, Unsorted# mv
> > 2006-07-10\ -\ S??gl??pur 2006-07-10\ -\ S??gl??pur newname
> > *mv: target `newname' is not a directory*
> > root at jubuntu:/media/Jrobo/03 - Tagged, Listened, Unsorted# sudo mv
> > 2006-07-10\ -\ S??gl??pur 2006-07-10\ -\ S??gl??pur newname
> > *mv: cannot stat `2006-07-10 - S??gl??pur': No such file or directory
> > mv: cannot stat `2006-07-10 - S??gl??pur': No such file or directory*
> > root at jubuntu:/media/Jrobo/03 - Tagged, Listened, Unsorted#
>
>


-- 
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hewhocutsdown at gmail.com
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From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com  Fri Mar 21 19:53:30 2008
From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:53:30 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Renaming a folder with a different character set
In-Reply-To: <47E44A9C.5000606@ripperd.com>
References: <bada98250803211609j2123327bl7f6d947c340cdc15@mail.gmail.com>
	<47E443CE.7060701@umn.edu> <47E44A9C.5000606@ripperd.com>
Message-ID: <bada98250803211753t3268d399nff810901ae65a75@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, not a programmer, all I can muster is pseudo-code myself! *laughs*

Got a shell script?

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Dean E <dean at ripperd.com> wrote:

> And if tab-completion can't grab it yet, try something like this pseudo
> code in C or perl:
>
> int i=1
> for each $folder in $currentworkingdir{
>        rename $folder $i
>        i++
>        }
>
> I think that will grab them without ever knowing their original names,
> and rename the folders to 1,2,3,4, etc.
>
>
>
> Elvedin Trnjanin wrote:
> > Open up command line (terminal) and change directory to where that
> > directory or file is located. Type in "mv 2006***press tab button
> > here*** newname" where ***press tab button here*** means you actually
> > press the tab button (once or twice) for tab name completion.
> >
> > Jordan Peacock wrote:
> >> I'm not 100% sure how this folder arrived on my doorstep, but I'm
> >> having some problems with it. As you can see in the screenshot, the
> >> name is pretty bizarre, and once I click on the folder (i know it's
> >> supposed to be a folder) it disappears. Attempting to move it or
> >> rename it using the command line have failed so far.
> >>
> >> Any ideas? There are files inside that folder that I need.
> >>
> >> Thank you
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jordan Peacock
> >> hewhocutsdown at gmail.com <mailto:hewhocutsdown at gmail.com>
> >> hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com <http://hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com>
> >>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From Joseph.Stuart at capella.edu  Fri Mar 21 20:01:12 2008
From: Joseph.Stuart at capella.edu (Stuart, Joseph)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:01:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Renaming a folder with a different character set
Message-ID: <65C7B8766ADCD445B28DEA1DF0C7FC1F5DC465@MSPMAILCL01.int.capella.lan>

Is this the only folder in the dir? If so
Cd to dir

for i in ./*; do mv $i 1; done




-----
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-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org <tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org>
To: Dean E <dean at ripperd.com>
CC: Twin Cities Linux User's Group <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Sent: Fri Mar 21 19:53:30 2008
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Renaming a folder with a different character set

Sorry, not a programmer, all I can muster is pseudo-code myself! *laughs*

Got a shell script?


On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Dean E <dean at ripperd.com> wrote:


	And if tab-completion can't grab it yet, try something like this pseudo
	code in C or perl:
	
	int i=1
	for each $folder in $currentworkingdir{
	       rename $folder $i
	       i++
	       }
	
	I think that will grab them without ever knowing their original names,
	and rename the folders to 1,2,3,4, etc.
	



	Elvedin Trnjanin wrote:
	> Open up command line (terminal) and change directory to where that
	> directory or file is located. Type in "mv 2006***press tab button
	> here*** newname" where ***press tab button here*** means you actually
	> press the tab button (once or twice) for tab name completion.
	>
	> Jordan Peacock wrote:
	>> I'm not 100% sure how this folder arrived on my doorstep, but I'm
	>> having some problems with it. As you can see in the screenshot, the
	>> name is pretty bizarre, and once I click on the folder (i know it's
	>> supposed to be a folder) it disappears. Attempting to move it or
	>> rename it using the command line have failed so far.
	>>
	>> Any ideas? There are files inside that folder that I need.
	>>
	>> Thank you
	>>
	>> --
	>> Jordan Peacock
	>> hewhocutsdown at gmail.com <mailto:hewhocutsdown at gmail.com>
	>> hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com <http://hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com>
	>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
	>
	>
	
	> _______________________________________________
	> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
	> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
	> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
	
	
	_______________________________________________
	TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
	tclug-list at mn-linux.org
	http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
	




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From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com  Fri Mar 21 20:05:12 2008
From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:05:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Renaming a folder with a different character set
In-Reply-To: <65C7B8766ADCD445B28DEA1DF0C7FC1F5DC465@MSPMAILCL01.int.capella.lan>
References: <65C7B8766ADCD445B28DEA1DF0C7FC1F5DC465@MSPMAILCL01.int.capella.lan>
Message-ID: <bada98250803211805qf52bf84wfde60ba261699a54@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think it realizes it is a folder:

root at jubuntu:/media/Jrobo/03 - Tagged, Listened, Unsorted# for i in ./*; do
mv $i 1; done
*mv: target `1' is not a directory*

I'm assuming you meant run that from the parent directory of the mystery
directory.

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Stuart, Joseph <Joseph.Stuart at capella.edu>
wrote:

>  Is this the only folder in the dir? If so
> Cd to dir
>
> for i in ./*; do mv $i 1; done
>
>
>
>
> -----
> Sent from my wireless device
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org <tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org>
> To: Dean E <dean at ripperd.com>
> CC: Twin Cities Linux User's Group <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Sent: Fri Mar 21 19:53:30 2008
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Renaming a folder with a different character set
>
> Sorry, not a programmer, all I can muster is pseudo-code myself! *laughs*
>
> Got a shell script?
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Dean E <dean at ripperd.com> wrote:
>
>
>         And if tab-completion can't grab it yet, try something like this
> pseudo
>         code in C or perl:
>
>         int i=1
>         for each $folder in $currentworkingdir{
>                rename $folder $i
>                i++
>                }
>
>         I think that will grab them without ever knowing their original
> names,
>         and rename the folders to 1,2,3,4, etc.
>
>
>
>
>         Elvedin Trnjanin wrote:
>         > Open up command line (terminal) and change directory to where
> that
>         > directory or file is located. Type in "mv 2006***press tab
> button
>         > here*** newname" where ***press tab button here*** means you
> actually
>         > press the tab button (once or twice) for tab name completion.
>         >
>         > Jordan Peacock wrote:
>         >> I'm not 100% sure how this folder arrived on my doorstep, but
> I'm
>         >> having some problems with it. As you can see in the screenshot,
> the
>         >> name is pretty bizarre, and once I click on the folder (i know
> it's
>         >> supposed to be a folder) it disappears. Attempting to move it
> or
>         >> rename it using the command line have failed so far.
>         >>
>         >> Any ideas? There are files inside that folder that I need.
>         >>
>         >> Thank you
>         >>
>         >> --
>         >> Jordan Peacock
>         >> hewhocutsdown at gmail.com <mailto:hewhocutsdown at gmail.com<hewhocutsdown at gmail.com>
> >
>         >> hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com <http://hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com>
>         >>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>         >
>         >
>
>         > _______________________________________________
>         > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>         > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>         > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>         _______________________________________________
>         TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>         tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>         http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jordan Peacock
> hewhocutsdown at gmail.com
> hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com
>



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From brockn at gmail.com  Fri Mar 21 20:13:28 2008
From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:13:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Renaming a folder with a different character set
In-Reply-To: <bada98250803211805qf52bf84wfde60ba261699a54@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65C7B8766ADCD445B28DEA1DF0C7FC1F5DC465@MSPMAILCL01.int.capella.lan>
	<bada98250803211805qf52bf84wfde60ba261699a54@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <741dcbb80803211813r53d37070yd03bc60e5d9c87a9@mail.gmail.com>

I created the same directory and this worked for me:

find . -name '2006*' -type d -delete

Brock


From Joseph.Stuart at capella.edu  Fri Mar 21 20:11:22 2008
From: Joseph.Stuart at capella.edu (Stuart, Joseph)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:11:22 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Renaming a folder with a different character set
Message-ID: <65C7B8766ADCD445B28DEA1DF0C7FC1F5DC466@MSPMAILCL01.int.capella.lan>

Is there already a file named 1 in the parent directory?


-----
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jordan Peacock <hewhocutsdown at gmail.com>
To: Stuart, Joseph
CC: tclug-list at mn-linux.org <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Sent: Fri Mar 21 20:05:12 2008
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Renaming a folder with a different character set

I don't think it realizes it is a folder:

root at jubuntu:/media/Jrobo/03 - Tagged, Listened, Unsorted# for i in ./*; do mv $i 1; done
mv: target `1' is not a directory

I'm assuming you meant run that from the parent directory of the mystery directory.


On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Stuart, Joseph <Joseph.Stuart at capella.edu> wrote:


	Is this the only folder in the dir? If so
	Cd to dir
	
	for i in ./*; do mv $i 1; done
	
	
	
	
	-----
	Sent from my wireless device


	-----Original Message-----
	From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org <tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org>
	To: Dean E <dean at ripperd.com>
	CC: Twin Cities Linux User's Group <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
	Sent: Fri Mar 21 19:53:30 2008
	Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Renaming a folder with a different character set
	
	Sorry, not a programmer, all I can muster is pseudo-code myself! *laughs*
	
	Got a shell script?
	
	
	On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Dean E <dean at ripperd.com> wrote:
	
	
	        And if tab-completion can't grab it yet, try something like this pseudo
	        code in C or perl:
	       
	        int i=1
	        for each $folder in $currentworkingdir{
	               rename $folder $i
	               i++
	               }
	       
	        I think that will grab them without ever knowing their original names,
	        and rename the folders to 1,2,3,4, etc.
	       
	
	
	
	        Elvedin Trnjanin wrote:
	        > Open up command line (terminal) and change directory to where that
	        > directory or file is located. Type in "mv 2006***press tab button
	        > here*** newname" where ***press tab button here*** means you actually
	        > press the tab button (once or twice) for tab name completion.
	        >
	        > Jordan Peacock wrote:
	        >> I'm not 100% sure how this folder arrived on my doorstep, but I'm
	        >> having some problems with it. As you can see in the screenshot, the
	        >> name is pretty bizarre, and once I click on the folder (i know it's
	        >> supposed to be a folder) it disappears. Attempting to move it or
	        >> rename it using the command line have failed so far.
	        >>
	        >> Any ideas? There are files inside that folder that I need.
	        >>
	        >> Thank you
	        >>
	        >> --
	        >> Jordan Peacock
	        >> hewhocutsdown at gmail.com <mailto:hewhocutsdown at gmail.com>
	        >> hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com <http://hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com>
	        >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
	        >
	        >
	       
	        > _______________________________________________
	        > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
	        > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From trnja001 at umn.edu  Fri Mar 21 20:15:43 2008
From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:15:43 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Renaming a folder with a different character set
In-Reply-To: <bada98250803211805qf52bf84wfde60ba261699a54@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65C7B8766ADCD445B28DEA1DF0C7FC1F5DC465@MSPMAILCL01.int.capella.lan>
	<bada98250803211805qf52bf84wfde60ba261699a54@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47E45DBF.6080404@umn.edu>

Is it actually a folder? Use the file command (file filenamehere) to see 
what the system thinks it is. Also, figure out what character set that 
file name is supposed to be in and install it. A directory wouldn't 
change into something else just because of a character set 
misinterpretation. That might be some sort of archive or more likely, 
corrupted.

Also some more things to provide for us -

ls -lh /media/Jrobo/03... directory
file 2006-07-10\\ -\\ S??gl??pur 2006-07-10\\ -\\ S??gl??pur (or use tab 
name completion)
**
Also maybe try Unicode support in the terminal by running -

export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8

Then rerun ls -l to see if you recognize any characters.

Jordan Peacock wrote:
> I don't think it realizes it is a folder:
>
>



From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com  Fri Mar 21 20:15:50 2008
From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:15:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Renaming a folder with a different character set
In-Reply-To: <65C7B8766ADCD445B28DEA1DF0C7FC1F5DC466@MSPMAILCL01.int.capella.lan>
References: <65C7B8766ADCD445B28DEA1DF0C7FC1F5DC466@MSPMAILCL01.int.capella.lan>
Message-ID: <bada98250803211815s4d6bd31xb22d2f02c92eaee2@mail.gmail.com>

This is all we've got:

root at jubuntu:/media/Jrobo/03 - Tagged, Listened, Unsorted# ls -al
total 24
drwxr-xr-x  5 root          daemon        20480 2008-03-21 19:05 .
drwxrwxrwx 11 hewhocutsdown hewhocutsdown  4096 2008-03-21 18:54 ..
*?---------  ? ?             ?                 ?                ? 2006-07-10
- S??gl??pur*
root at jubuntu:/media/Jrobo/03 - Tagged, Listened, Unsorted#

Should be a folder with about a dozen files inside

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Stuart, Joseph <Joseph.Stuart at capella.edu>
wrote:

>  Is there already a file named 1 in the parent directory?
>
>
> -----
> Sent from my wireless device
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jordan Peacock <hewhocutsdown at gmail.com>
> To: Stuart, Joseph
> CC: tclug-list at mn-linux.org <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Sent: Fri Mar 21 20:05:12 2008
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Renaming a folder with a different character set
>
> I don't think it realizes it is a folder:
>
> root at jubuntu:/media/Jrobo/03 - Tagged, Listened, Unsorted# for i in ./*;
> do mv $i 1; done
> mv: target `1' is not a directory
>
> I'm assuming you meant run that from the parent directory of the mystery
> directory.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Stuart, Joseph <Joseph.Stuart at capella.edu>
> wrote:
>
>
>         Is this the only folder in the dir? If so
>         Cd to dir
>
>         for i in ./*; do mv $i 1; done
>
>
>
>
>         -----
>         Sent from my wireless device
>
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org <
> tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org>
>         To: Dean E <dean at ripperd.com>
>         CC: Twin Cities Linux User's Group <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>         Sent: Fri Mar 21 19:53:30 2008
>         Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Renaming a folder with a different
> character set
>
>         Sorry, not a programmer, all I can muster is pseudo-code myself!
> *laughs*
>
>         Got a shell script?
>
>
>         On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Dean E <dean at ripperd.com> wrote:
>
>
>                 And if tab-completion can't grab it yet, try something
> like this pseudo
>                 code in C or perl:
>
>                 int i=1
>                 for each $folder in $currentworkingdir{
>                        rename $folder $i
>                        i++
>                        }
>
>                 I think that will grab them without ever knowing their
> original names,
>                 and rename the folders to 1,2,3,4, etc.
>
>
>
>
>                 Elvedin Trnjanin wrote:
>                 > Open up command line (terminal) and change directory to
> where that
>                 > directory or file is located. Type in "mv 2006***press
> tab button
>                 > here*** newname" where ***press tab button here*** means
> you actually
>                 > press the tab button (once or twice) for tab name
> completion.
>                 >
>                 > Jordan Peacock wrote:
>                 >> I'm not 100% sure how this folder arrived on my
> doorstep, but I'm
>                 >> having some problems with it. As you can see in the
> screenshot, the
>                 >> name is pretty bizarre, and once I click on the folder
> (i know it's
>                 >> supposed to be a folder) it disappears. Attempting to
> move it or
>                 >> rename it using the command line have failed so far.
>                 >>
>                 >> Any ideas? There are files inside that folder that I
> need.
>                 >>
>                 >> Thank you
>                 >>
>                 >> --
>                 >> Jordan Peacock
>                 >> hewhocutsdown at gmail.com <mailto:hewhocutsdown at gmail.com<hewhocutsdown at gmail.com>
> >
>                 >> hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com <
> http://hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com>
>                 >>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>                 >
>                 >
>
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>                 > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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>
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>
>
>
>
>         --
>         Jordan Peacock
>         hewhocutsdown at gmail.com
>         hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jordan Peacock
> hewhocutsdown at gmail.com
> hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com
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From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com  Fri Mar 21 21:00:25 2008
From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:00:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Renaming a folder with a different character set
In-Reply-To: <47E45DBF.6080404@umn.edu>
References: <65C7B8766ADCD445B28DEA1DF0C7FC1F5DC465@MSPMAILCL01.int.capella.lan>
	<bada98250803211805qf52bf84wfde60ba261699a54@mail.gmail.com>
	<47E45DBF.6080404@umn.edu>
Message-ID: <bada98250803211900lc6ada16i3476bf8aac906def@mail.gmail.com>

Alright...

First tried the file command
root at jubuntu:/media/Jrobo/03 - Tagged, Listened, Unsorted# file 2006-07-10\
-\ S??gl??pur
*2006-07-10 - S??gl??pur: ERROR: cannot open `2006-07-10 - S??gl??pur' (No
such file or directory)*

Then ls -lh on the parent
root at jubuntu:/media/Jrobo/03 - Tagged, Listened, Unsorted# ls -lh
/media/Jrobo/03\ -\ Tagged\,\ Listened\,\ Unsorted/
*total 0
?--------- ? ? ? ?                ? /media/Jrobo/03 - Tagged, Listened,
Unsorted/2006-07-10 - S??gl??pur
*
Followed by ls -lh on the directory in question
root at jubuntu:/media/Jrobo/03 - Tagged, Listened, Unsorted# ls -lh
/media/Jrobo/03\ -\ Tagged\,\ Listened\,\ Unsorted/2006-07-10\ -\ S??gl??pur

*ls: /media/Jrobo/03 - Tagged, Listened, Unsorted/2006-07-10 - S??gl??pur:
No such file or directory*

Followed by ls -l after changing to Unicode
root at jubuntu:/media/Jrobo/03 - Tagged, Listened, Unsorted# export
LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8
root at jubuntu:/media/Jrobo/03 - Tagged, Listened, Unsorted# ls -l
*total 0
?--------- ? ? ? ?                ? 2006-07-10 - S??gl??pur
*root at jubuntu:/media/Jrobo/03 - Tagged, Listened, Unsorted#

By the way, to answer Brock I too can copy the folder name that shows using
the tab-complete (2006-07-10 - S??gl??pur) and can successfully create a
folder which I can move, edit, rename, etc.

There is something peculiar about this one, perhaps characters that aren't
being seen or something. I have no idea.

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 8:15 PM, Elvedin Trnjanin <trnja001 at umn.edu> wrote:

> Is it actually a folder? Use the file command (file filenamehere) to see
> what the system thinks it is. Also, figure out what character set that
> file name is supposed to be in and install it. A directory wouldn't
> change into something else just because of a character set
> misinterpretation. That might be some sort of archive or more likely,
> corrupted.
>
> Also some more things to provide for us -
>
> ls -lh /media/Jrobo/03... directory
> file 2006-07-10\\ -\\ S??gl??pur 2006-07-10\\ -\\ S??gl??pur (or use tab
> name completion)
> **
> Also maybe try Unicode support in the terminal by running -
>
> export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8
>
> Then rerun ls -l to see if you recognize any characters.
>
> Jordan Peacock wrote:
> > I don't think it realizes it is a folder:
> >
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From strayf at freeshell.org  Fri Mar 21 21:18:25 2008
From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steve Cayford)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 21:18:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Renaming a folder with a different character set
In-Reply-To: <bada98250803211900lc6ada16i3476bf8aac906def@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65C7B8766ADCD445B28DEA1DF0C7FC1F5DC465@MSPMAILCL01.int.capella.lan>	<bada98250803211805qf52bf84wfde60ba261699a54@mail.gmail.com>	<47E45DBF.6080404@umn.edu>
	<bada98250803211900lc6ada16i3476bf8aac906def@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47E46C71.4040004@freeshell.org>

Jordan Peacock wrote:
> Alright...
> 
> First tried the file command
> root at jubuntu:/media/Jrobo/03 - Tagged, Listened, Unsorted# file
> 2006-07-10\ -\ S??gl??pur
> *2006-07-10 - S??gl??pur: ERROR: cannot open `2006-07-10 - S??gl??pur'
> (No such file or directory)*
> [...]

Noticing this is under /media, is this on a USB device or something?
What kind of filesystem?

-Steve


From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com  Fri Mar 21 22:03:28 2008
From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:03:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Renaming a folder with a different character set
In-Reply-To: <47E46C71.4040004@freeshell.org>
References: <65C7B8766ADCD445B28DEA1DF0C7FC1F5DC465@MSPMAILCL01.int.capella.lan>
	<bada98250803211805qf52bf84wfde60ba261699a54@mail.gmail.com>
	<47E45DBF.6080404@umn.edu>
	<bada98250803211900lc6ada16i3476bf8aac906def@mail.gmail.com>
	<47E46C71.4040004@freeshell.org>
Message-ID: <bada98250803212003g516e4eb5kb0d980e3ebca29d@mail.gmail.com>

It's an external hard drive, ext3 formatted.

The file was originally saved by myself on another ext3 drive, copied to an
NTFS (? assumed, not sure) drive and then over to this current ext3
formatted drive by a friend of mine.

Worst case scenario is that the files are truly corrupt...hopefully that's
not the case, but that's a possibility I can't dismiss completely either.

2008/3/21 Steve Cayford <strayf at freeshell.org>:

> Jordan Peacock wrote:
> > Alright...
> >
> > First tried the file command
> > root at jubuntu:/media/Jrobo/03 - Tagged, Listened, Unsorted# file
> > 2006-07-10\ -\ S??gl??pur
> > *2006-07-10 - S??gl??pur: ERROR: cannot open `2006-07-10 - S??gl??pur'
> > (No such file or directory)*
> > [...]
>
> Noticing this is under /media, is this on a USB device or something?
> What kind of filesystem?
>
> -Steve
>
> _______________________________________________
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From strayf at freeshell.org  Fri Mar 21 22:44:54 2008
From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steve Cayford)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:44:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Renaming a folder with a different character set
In-Reply-To: <bada98250803212003g516e4eb5kb0d980e3ebca29d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65C7B8766ADCD445B28DEA1DF0C7FC1F5DC465@MSPMAILCL01.int.capella.lan>	
	<bada98250803211805qf52bf84wfde60ba261699a54@mail.gmail.com>	
	<47E45DBF.6080404@umn.edu>	
	<bada98250803211900lc6ada16i3476bf8aac906def@mail.gmail.com>	
	<47E46C71.4040004@freeshell.org>
	<bada98250803212003g516e4eb5kb0d980e3ebca29d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47E480B6.9060604@freeshell.org>

I would unmount the drive and run fsck on it. I've seen weird files show
up like that on a corrupted encfs filesystem, but not on ext3.

-Steve

Jordan Peacock wrote:
> It's an external hard drive, ext3 formatted.
> 
> The file was originally saved by myself on another ext3 drive, copied to
> an NTFS (? assumed, not sure) drive and then over to this current ext3
> formatted drive by a friend of mine.
> 
> Worst case scenario is that the files are truly corrupt...hopefully
> that's not the case, but that's a possibility I can't dismiss completely
> either.
> 
> 2008/3/21 Steve Cayford <strayf at freeshell.org
> <mailto:strayf at freeshell.org>>:
> 
>     Jordan Peacock wrote:
>     > Alright...
>     >
>     > First tried the file command
>     > root at jubuntu:/media/Jrobo/03 - Tagged, Listened, Unsorted# file
>     > 2006-07-10\ -\ S??gl??pur
>     > *2006-07-10 - S??gl??pur: ERROR: cannot open `2006-07-10 - S??gl??pur'
>     > (No such file or directory)*
>     > [...]
> 
>     Noticing this is under /media, is this on a USB device or something?
>     What kind of filesystem?
> 
>     -Steve
> 
>     _______________________________________________
>     TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>     tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>     http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jordan Peacock
> hewhocutsdown at gmail.com <mailto:hewhocutsdown at gmail.com>
> hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com <http://hewhocutsdown.blogspot.com>



From stuff at cb1inc.com  Fri Mar 21 22:53:24 2008
From: stuff at cb1inc.com (Chris Barber)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:53:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Dual network card issues in HA cluster
Message-ID: <47E482B4.6020101@cb1inc.com>

I'm trying to set up two servers in which one is active and the other is 
a standby.  The plan is to use DRBD and heartbeat to managed the data 
replication and services.  Each server is running Ubuntu 7.10 Server 
64-bit.  I've got two NICs in each box: public and private.  Both 
machines are configured with static IPs and are connected via a 
crossover cable on eth0 (private and the primary NIC) and then eth1 
(public) on both ties into my main switch.  eth0 and eth1 are different 
subnets.  Since eth0 is used to talk to the other server only, it has no 
gateway.

The problem is eth1 for some reason is whack on both machines.  I can't 
ping my public gateway or the other server over its public interface.

I tried reversing the roles, eth0 as public, eth1 as private.  I could 
see the public network (eth0) just fine, but I couldn't see the other 
machine over the private (eth1) network.

I've tried different cables and network cards.  I've tried messing 
around with routes and the arp tables.  I've tried reinstalling the OS.  
These servers have fresh installs of Ubuntu, so there's nothing in the 
IP tables.

What gets more interesting is I completely comment out all eth0 lines 
from the /etc/network/interfaces config file, then restart networking so 
only eth1 (public) exists, and I can't see anything.  It's the strangest 
thing.

Does Ubuntu/Debian identify one of the cards as the "primary" 
somewhere?  How/where does it tie a particular NIC to ethX?  Does 
anybody have any suggestions that I could try?

I appreciate any help.  Thanks!

-Chris


From trnja001 at umn.edu  Fri Mar 21 23:12:12 2008
From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 23:12:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Dual network card issues in HA cluster
In-Reply-To: <47E482B4.6020101@cb1inc.com>
References: <47E482B4.6020101@cb1inc.com>
Message-ID: <47E4871C.5040109@umn.edu>


> Does Ubuntu/Debian identify one of the cards as the "primary" 
> somewhere?  
Nope.
> How/where does it tie a particular NIC to ethX?  Does 
> anybody have any suggestions that I could try?
>
> I appreciate any help.  Thanks!
>
> -Chris
>
>   
Sounds like a route issue that isn't setup for eth1. Any DHCP client 
should set up a route for you but if you're doing things statically, you 
need to set up the route and make sure it's persistent after reboots. 
Run the "route" command as super user and look for the relevant 
information.

http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugrouting.html


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Sat Mar 22 00:46:00 2008
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:46:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Renaming a folder with a different character set
In-Reply-To: <bada98250803211609j2123327bl7f6d947c340cdc15@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bada98250803211609j2123327bl7f6d947c340cdc15@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0803220035180.13364@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, Jordan Peacock wrote:

> I'm not 100% sure how this folder arrived on my doorstep, but I'm having 
> some problems with it. As you can see in the screenshot, the name is 
> pretty bizarre, and once I click on the folder (i know it's supposed to 
> be a folder) it disappears. Attempting to move it or rename it using the 
> command line have failed so far.
>
> Any ideas? There are files inside that folder that I need.


After reading about all the other attempts, I'm thinking there might be a 
problem with your filesystem.  I don't know why you think the file is a 
directory -- your system isn't saying that it is a directory:

?--------- ? ? ? ???????????????? ? 2006-07-10 - S????gl????pur

That is very troubling output.  Your system doesn't know what type of file 
it is, who owns it, etc.  You don't have permission to rename it or delete 
it.  I would start with chown and chmod commands.  The file command will 
normally tell you what type of file it is, but I'm not sure that will work 
in this case.

Mike

From marc at e-skinner.net  Sat Mar 22 09:02:01 2008
From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 09:02:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Dual network card issues in HA cluster
In-Reply-To: <47E4871C.5040109@umn.edu>
References: <47E482B4.6020101@cb1inc.com> <47E4871C.5040109@umn.edu>
Message-ID: <47E51159.4060900@e-skinner.net>

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Also, make sure iptables isn't in the way.

Elvedin Trnjanin wrote:
>> Does Ubuntu/Debian identify one of the cards as the "primary" 
>> somewhere?  
> Nope.
>> How/where does it tie a particular NIC to ethX?  Does 
>> anybody have any suggestions that I could try?
>>
>> I appreciate any help.  Thanks!
>>
>> -Chris
>>
>>   
> Sounds like a route issue that isn't setup for eth1. Any DHCP client 
> should set up a route for you but if you're doing things statically, you 
> need to set up the route and make sure it's persistent after reboots. 
> Run the "route" command as super user and look for the relevant 
> information.
> 
> http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugrouting.html
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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From florin at iucha.net  Sat Mar 22 10:10:39 2008
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:10:39 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Dual network card issues in HA cluster
In-Reply-To: <47E482B4.6020101@cb1inc.com>
References: <47E482B4.6020101@cb1inc.com>
Message-ID: <20080322151039.GA3247@iris.iucha.org>

On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 10:53:24PM -0500, Chris Barber wrote:
[snip]
> The problem is eth1 for some reason is whack on both machines.  I can't 
> ping my public gateway or the other server over its public interface.
[snip]
> Does Ubuntu/Debian identify one of the cards as the "primary" 
> somewhere?  How/where does it tie a particular NIC to ethX?  Does 
> anybody have any suggestions that I could try?
> 
> I appreciate any help.  Thanks!

Chris,

Try disabling the 'magic' services: 'NetworkManager', 'avahi'.  Maybe
even 'hal' and 'dbus'.  Ubuntu is trying to be overly protective of
newbies with desktops - and it works, if you have one NIC with a
dynamic IP address.  When you go out of the norm, it's better to take
the matter into your own hands.

Cheers,
florin

-- 
Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition.
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From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sat Mar 22 16:00:35 2008
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:00:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200803222100.m2ML0ZK18519@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Misc. Items for sale and some for free

-Linksys 10/100 16 port Workgroup switch.  Model: EZXS16W   Price:  Make offer

-Linksys Wireless G Access Point (New & unused, but in opened box).  Model:  WAP54G  Price:  Make offer

-Promise Fasttrack SX4000 ATA RAID Controller (with PC133 256MB RAM)  Price:  Make offer

-IBM RAID controller (Adaptec AIC-7880P chipset) Price:  Make offer


Misc. Stuff (Take one, take all):
-HP DeskJet 960C printer  
-HP ScanJet 5100C flatbed scanner  
-Cisco 1004 router. 
-Box of misc. stuff: Cables, cards (NIC/SCSI/Video) and other computer related things I've found while cleaning the dark corners of the house.



Seller Email address: sfertch at gmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From stuff at cb1inc.com  Sun Mar 23 05:07:36 2008
From: stuff at cb1inc.com (Chris Barber)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 05:07:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Dual network card issues in HA cluster
In-Reply-To: <20080322151039.GA3247@iris.iucha.org>
References: <47E482B4.6020101@cb1inc.com>
	<20080322151039.GA3247@iris.iucha.org>
Message-ID: <47E62BE8.2020707@cb1inc.com>

Thanks for everyone's reply.  I figured it out!  Whoo!  I can finally 
sleep. :)

For the curious...

A vanilla Ubuntu 7.10 Server install does not include NetworkManager or 
avahi, nor does it restrict any access via IP tables.  But it does 
install IPv6, but that was half the problem.  To disable IPv6, simply 
add the following to the end of the file "/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist", 
then reboot:

    install ipv6 /bin/true

That fixed the problem in one of my servers.

The other server took a while to fix because it has an Asus A8N-SLI 
Deluxe motherboard that does not like D-Link gigabit cards.  Lucky for 
me I have a stash of Linksys gigabit cards that work just fine.  It also 
didn't help having bad wiring and cables.  You'd think trying 3 
different patch cables was sufficient, but I guess not.  I didn't have 
to touch any routes or ARP address mappings.  Just remember, just 
because you can see a NIC, get it's MAC address, assign it an IP, ping 
it, doesn't mean that NIC actually works properly.

As far as the whole primary NIC thing is concerned, from what I can 
tell, when you install Ubuntu, it asks which NIC you want to be 
primary.  All this does is adds the entry for the NIC in the 
/etc/network/interfaces.  After installation, I don't think there is a 
concept of a primary NIC.

To change which NIC is eth0, eth1, etc, versions before 7.10 used the 
file /etc/iftab, but 7.10 uses "udev".  The ethX are tied to the MAC 
addresses defined in the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules file.

-Chris


Florin Iucha wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 10:53:24PM -0500, Chris Barber wrote:
> [snip]
>   
>> The problem is eth1 for some reason is whack on both machines.  I can't 
>> ping my public gateway or the other server over its public interface.
>>     
> [snip]
>   
>> Does Ubuntu/Debian identify one of the cards as the "primary" 
>> somewhere?  How/where does it tie a particular NIC to ethX?  Does 
>> anybody have any suggestions that I could try?
>>
>> I appreciate any help.  Thanks!
>>     
>
> Chris,
>
> Try disabling the 'magic' services: 'NetworkManager', 'avahi'.  Maybe
> even 'hal' and 'dbus'.  Ubuntu is trying to be overly protective of
> newbies with desktops - and it works, if you have one NIC with a
> dynamic IP address.  When you go out of the norm, it's better to take
> the matter into your own hands.
>
> Cheers,
> florin
>
>   
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
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From codeshepherd at gmail.com  Sun Mar 23 14:33:12 2008
From: codeshepherd at gmail.com (Deepan)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 01:03:12 +0530
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT]Facebook app
Message-ID: <435ffe4fc46104930f4d0e2a7a1ecb45@localhost.localdomain>

Hi All,

I just wrote a facebook application for playing
Sudoku.
 
Those interested..  
http://apps.facebook.com/sudokusolver/ 

For non-facebook users:
http://www.sudoku-solver.net/ 

Regards 

Deepan 





From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Sun Mar 23 15:56:36 2008
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:56:36 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT]Facebook app
In-Reply-To: <435ffe4fc46104930f4d0e2a7a1ecb45@localhost.localdomain>
References: <435ffe4fc46104930f4d0e2a7a1ecb45@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0803231555300.23940@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008, Deepan wrote:

> I just wrote a facebook application for playing Sudoku.
>
> http://www.sudoku-solver.net/


How did someone solve a medium Sudoku in 4 seconds?

I notice that if I have it "Solve on step" it restarts the clock.  Could 
that have helped the fastest solver?

By the way, that message was really spam, I would say, because it appeared 
on MLUG (Missouri) and TCLUG (Twin Cities) at about the same time.

Mike



From ecrist at secure-computing.net  Sun Mar 23 16:14:31 2008
From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric F Crist)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:14:31 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT]Facebook app
In-Reply-To: <435ffe4fc46104930f4d0e2a7a1ecb45@localhost.localdomain>
References: <435ffe4fc46104930f4d0e2a7a1ecb45@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4AB0F65F-39BC-4936-B8A1-03662BA8F047@secure-computing.net>

Wasn't this posted just a few days ago?


On Mar 23, 2008, at 2:33 PM, Deepan wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I just wrote a facebook application for playing
> Sudoku.
>
> Those interested..
> http://apps.facebook.com/sudokusolver/
>
> For non-facebook users:
> http://www.sudoku-solver.net/
>
> Regards
>
> Deepan
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

-----
Eric F Crist
Secure Computing Networks




From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Sun Mar 23 16:23:22 2008
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:23:22 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT]Facebook app
In-Reply-To: <4AB0F65F-39BC-4936-B8A1-03662BA8F047@secure-computing.net>
References: <435ffe4fc46104930f4d0e2a7a1ecb45@localhost.localdomain>
	<4AB0F65F-39BC-4936-B8A1-03662BA8F047@secure-computing.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0803231622250.24768@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Eric F Crist wrote:

> Wasn't this posted just a few days ago?

First he posted just about Facebook, then he posted about 
sudoku-solver.net.

Mike


> On Mar 23, 2008, at 2:33 PM, Deepan wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I just wrote a facebook application for playing
>> Sudoku.
>>
>> Those interested..
>> http://apps.facebook.com/sudokusolver/
>>
>> For non-facebook users:
>> http://www.sudoku-solver.net/
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Deepan


From brockn at gmail.com  Sun Mar 23 16:36:50 2008
From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:36:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT]Facebook app
In-Reply-To: <4AB0F65F-39BC-4936-B8A1-03662BA8F047@secure-computing.net>
References: <435ffe4fc46104930f4d0e2a7a1ecb45@localhost.localdomain>
	<4AB0F65F-39BC-4936-B8A1-03662BA8F047@secure-computing.net>
Message-ID: <741dcbb80803231436x57dcab53y84d64bd0100254ce@mail.gmail.com>

> By the way, that message was really spam, I would say, because it appeared
> on MLUG (Missouri) and TCLUG (Twin Cities) at about the same time.

Yes, if you visit his website, it certainly appears as thought he has
likely never been to MN. Which by itself is no crime as I am a member
of a few LUG lists elsewhere. Places that I would not mind living.
However, I seriously doubt there is any intention to visit MN either.

> Wasn't this posted just a few days ago?

Yes, about a week or so ago.  I find this very interesting because the
first time I saw this message, I look at the App, but as I don't have
an interest, I largely ignored it.  I did not in any sense believe it
was spam.  I feel so dirty!

Brock


From ecrist at secure-computing.net  Sun Mar 23 16:53:33 2008
From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric F Crist)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:53:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT]Facebook app
In-Reply-To: <741dcbb80803231436x57dcab53y84d64bd0100254ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <435ffe4fc46104930f4d0e2a7a1ecb45@localhost.localdomain>
	<4AB0F65F-39BC-4936-B8A1-03662BA8F047@secure-computing.net>
	<741dcbb80803231436x57dcab53y84d64bd0100254ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EBA2CF97-5232-4F5C-912D-67B5DFC87314@secure-computing.net>

Hrm, if you look, he's apparently using PHPmailer to send these  
through gmail.


On Mar 23, 2008, at 4:36 PM, Brock Noland wrote:
>> By the way, that message was really spam, I would say, because it  
>> appeared
>> on MLUG (Missouri) and TCLUG (Twin Cities) at about the same time.
>
> Yes, if you visit his website, it certainly appears as thought he has
> likely never been to MN. Which by itself is no crime as I am a member
> of a few LUG lists elsewhere. Places that I would not mind living.
> However, I seriously doubt there is any intention to visit MN either.
>
>> Wasn't this posted just a few days ago?
>
> Yes, about a week or so ago.  I find this very interesting because the
> first time I saw this message, I look at the App, but as I don't have
> an interest, I largely ignored it.  I did not in any sense believe it
> was spam.  I feel so dirty!
>
> Brock
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

-----
Eric F Crist
Secure Computing Networks




From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Mar 24 09:48:30 2008
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:48:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT]Facebook app
In-Reply-To: <EBA2CF97-5232-4F5C-912D-67B5DFC87314@secure-computing.net>
References: <435ffe4fc46104930f4d0e2a7a1ecb45@localhost.localdomain>
	<4AB0F65F-39BC-4936-B8A1-03662BA8F047@secure-computing.net>
	<741dcbb80803231436x57dcab53y84d64bd0100254ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<EBA2CF97-5232-4F5C-912D-67B5DFC87314@secure-computing.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0803240946560.4565@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Eric F Crist wrote:

> Hrm, if you look, he's apparently using PHPmailer to send these
> through gmail.


He has posted it to dozens of lists:

http://search.gmane.org/?query=facebook+app&author=Deepan

Apparently, Facebook developers are paid by Facebook when their apps are 
used.  Nice model, but it does push developers to advertise.

Should he be blocked from posting in the future?

Mike


From florin at iucha.net  Mon Mar 24 09:54:32 2008
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:54:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT]Facebook app
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0803240946560.4565@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <435ffe4fc46104930f4d0e2a7a1ecb45@localhost.localdomain>
	<4AB0F65F-39BC-4936-B8A1-03662BA8F047@secure-computing.net>
	<741dcbb80803231436x57dcab53y84d64bd0100254ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<EBA2CF97-5232-4F5C-912D-67B5DFC87314@secure-computing.net>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0803240946560.4565@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20080324145431.GG3247@iris.iucha.org>

On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 09:48:30AM -0500, Mike Miller wrote:
> > Hrm, if you look, he's apparently using PHPmailer to send these
> > through gmail.
> 
> He has posted it to dozens of lists:
> 
> http://search.gmane.org/?query=facebook+app&author=Deepan
> 
> Apparently, Facebook developers are paid by Facebook when their apps are 
> used.  Nice model, but it does push developers to advertise.
> 
> Should he be blocked from posting in the future?

Yes he should be blocked, using all possible e-mail accounts he might
ever register.  Oh, wait...

florin

-- 
Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition.
      http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163
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From ecrist at secure-computing.net  Mon Mar 24 10:01:20 2008
From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric F Crist)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:01:20 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT]Facebook app
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0803240946560.4565@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <435ffe4fc46104930f4d0e2a7a1ecb45@localhost.localdomain>
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Message-ID: <BE35BC45-804F-4596-9EE9-C159049DAB67@secure-computing.net>

On Mar 24, 2008, at 9:48 AM, Mike Miller wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Eric F Crist wrote:
>
>> Hrm, if you look, he's apparently using PHPmailer to send these
>> through gmail.
>
>
> He has posted it to dozens of lists:
>
> http://search.gmane.org/?query=facebook+app&author=Deepan
>
> Apparently, Facebook developers are paid by Facebook when their apps  
> are
> used.  Nice model, but it does push developers to advertise.
>
> Should he be blocked from posting in the future?
>

Well, in my opinion, yes.  I've got less than zero tolerance for spam  
and spammers.  This is simply what it is.  I've already reported his  
address as a spam originator to Google.

Just my $0.02.
-----
Eric F Crist
Secure Computing Networks




From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Mar 24 11:06:43 2008
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:06:43 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT]Facebook app
In-Reply-To: <20080324145431.GG3247@iris.iucha.org>
References: <435ffe4fc46104930f4d0e2a7a1ecb45@localhost.localdomain>
	<4AB0F65F-39BC-4936-B8A1-03662BA8F047@secure-computing.net>
	<741dcbb80803231436x57dcab53y84d64bd0100254ce@mail.gmail.com>
	<EBA2CF97-5232-4F5C-912D-67B5DFC87314@secure-computing.net>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0803240946560.4565@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
	<20080324145431.GG3247@iris.iucha.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0803241049520.17822@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Mon, 24 Mar 2008, Florin Iucha wrote:

> On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 09:48:30AM -0500, Mike Miller wrote:
>>> Hrm, if you look, he's apparently using PHPmailer to send these
>>> through gmail.
>>
>> He has posted it to dozens of lists:
>>
>> http://search.gmane.org/?query=facebook+app&author=Deepan
>>
>> Apparently, Facebook developers are paid by Facebook when their apps are
>> used.  Nice model, but it does push developers to advertise.
>>
>> Should he be blocked from posting in the future?
>
> Yes he should be blocked, using all possible e-mail accounts he might
> ever register.  Oh, wait...


He seems to have used the codeshepherd at gmail.com address for all of his 
spam and non-spam:

http://www.codeshepherd.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14&Itemid=29
http://search.gmane.org/?query=facebook+app&author=Deepan

I don't think he's using a bot to subscribe.  Besides, it can't be all 
that easy to spam us this way or more people would be doing it.

On the other hand, he does send good spam!  This is his web page:

http://www.codeshepherd.com/

So I don't really care all that much about blocking him.  Maybe his next 
message will be about one of his FOSS projects and I'll wish I had seen 
it.

Mike


From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Mar 24 12:47:21 2008
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:47:21 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT]Facebook app
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0803241246391.10123@taxa.epi.umn.edu>


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:08:11 +0530
From: Deepan Chakravarthy <codeshepherd at gmail.com>
To: Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [OT]Facebook app

Hi Guys,

    Like every other developer, I was interested in promoting my app. It was
not an attempt to spam.  It wont happen again. Please accept my apologizes

Regards
Deepan.


From ben.usenet.alias at gmail.com  Mon Mar 24 17:16:48 2008
From: ben.usenet.alias at gmail.com (ben usenetalias)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:16:48 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ISP advice
In-Reply-To: <b22a95cc0803061551k25d51174wcaed9b8393f85477@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b22a95cc0803031225h2c8b9235gd571b057e06a4f32@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0803031439090.6935@titan>
	<b22a95cc0803031313t41cf9180va5c5f24939b56d14@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0803031720150.9306@titan>
	<b22a95cc0803031548q40ba1768u957d27b308b694c4@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0803040809190.14818@titan>
	<b22a95cc0803040928s56a00f35g8af7c8fbded6e613@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0803041127530.15507@titan>
	<b22a95cc0803061551k25d51174wcaed9b8393f85477@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b22a95cc0803241516q72306615xe764cec6fea27473@mail.gmail.com>

Another off topic question but I need a sanity check and the folks on this
list are generally well informed.  I've been going back and forth with
NetGear about their supposed PPTP support.  They claim support for PPTP but
do not support GRE; the result is that a control channel is established (I
can see this with a packet trace on both sides of the router) but then all
subsequent traffic is dropped (again verified by packet trace).  I've gotten
past the first tier support so I'm dealing with folks that have a little
knowledge now but they are still presenting some pretty wacky ideas.  I'll
admit that this subject matter isn't for the faint of heart but I've been
pointing them at RFCs that seem to pretty plainly state the need for GRE.

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Mar  4 16:28:50 2008
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:28:50 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.1.1206397080.31650.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>

control channel and a tunnel, the tunnel being built upon a modified form of
GRE.  They are taking the stance that simply establishing the control
channel qualifies as PPTP (seems mighty useless to me).  Anyone care to tell
me I'm correct here (or tell me I'm wrong and why)?  They're so adamant
about their stance that I feel I owe it to them to entertain the possibility
I might be wrong (shocking, how could that be ;-) ).  If anyone feels like
reading the RFC themselves you can find it at...

http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2637.html

Thanks,
Ben.

PS A little humor - one of the techs tried to claim that GRE is part of the
"IP protocol" (redundant, I know) and NetGear only supports TCP and UDP.
;-)  I suppose MAYBE they built their own network protocol to handle TCP and
UDP transports but that seems pretty unlikely. =))


On 3/6/08, ben usenetalias <ben.usenet.alias at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Thanks to everyone for the advice.  My resolution went in a completely
> different direction though.  Thanks to some advice from Adam M I learned
> that the MS VPN client is just a PPTP client and doesn't require ISA at
> all.  So I ditched the ISA box (I'm sure there's some cheering out there
> somewhere) and just enabled PPTP passthrough on my router.  My trusty 678
> now sits in bridged mode and my router does the PPPoE (no worries about it
> starting back up after power failure and such as with ISA).  With built in
> masquerading on the router and PPTP passthrough to a box behind it for VPN
> auth I'm set.  Much simpler than ISA and does everything I wanted it to.
>
> Again, thanks to everyone that offered options.
> Ben.
>

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<div>Another off topic question but I need&nbsp;a sanity check and the folk=
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and forth with NetGear about their supposed PPTP support.&nbsp; They claim =
support for PPTP but do not support GRE; the result is that a control chann=
el is established (I can see this with a packet trace on both sides of the =
router) but then all subsequent traffic is dropped (again verified by packe=
t trace).&nbsp; I&#39;ve gotten past the first tier support so I&#39;m deal=
ing with folks that have a little knowledge now but they are still presenti=
ng some pretty wacky ideas.&nbsp; I&#39;ll admit that this subject matter i=
sn&#39;t for the faint of heart but I&#39;ve been pointing them at RFCs tha=
t seem to pretty plainly state the need for GRE.&nbsp; From reading the RFC=
 it seems clear to me that PPTP consists of both a control channel and a tu=
nnel, the tunnel being built upon a modified form of GRE.&nbsp; They are ta=
king the stance that simply establishing the control channel qualifies as P=
PTP (seems mighty useless to me).&nbsp; Anyone care to tell me I&#39;m corr=
ect here (or tell me I&#39;m wrong and why)?&nbsp; They&#39;re so adamant a=
bout their stance that I feel I owe it to them to entertain the possibility=
 I might be wrong (shocking, how could that be ;-) ).&nbsp; If anyone feels=
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<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2637.html">http://www.faqs.org/=
rfcs/rfc2637.html</a></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Ben.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>PS A little humor - one of the techs tried to claim that GRE is part o=
f the &quot;IP protocol&quot; (redundant, I know) and NetGear only supports=
 TCP and UDP. ;-)&nbsp; I suppose MAYBE they built their own network protoc=
ol to handle TCP and UDP transports but that seems pretty unlikely. =3D))<b=
r>
<br>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 3/6/08, <b class=3D"gmail_sendername">b=
en usenetalias</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ben.usenet.alias at gmail.com">ben.us=
enet.alias at gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div>
<div>Thanks to everyone for the advice.&nbsp; My resolution went in a compl=
etely different direction though.&nbsp; Thanks to some advice from Adam M I=
 learned that the MS VPN client is just a PPTP client and doesn&#39;t requi=
re ISA at all.&nbsp; So I ditched the ISA box (I&#39;m sure there&#39;s som=
e cheering out there somewhere) and just enabled PPTP passthrough on my rou=
ter.&nbsp; My trusty 678 now sits in bridged mode and my router does the PP=
PoE (no worries about it starting back up after power failure and such as w=
ith ISA).&nbsp; With built in masquerading on the router and PPTP passthrou=
gh to a box behind it for VPN auth I&#39;m set.&nbsp; Much simpler than ISA=
 and does everything I wanted it to.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Again, thanks to everyone that offered options.</div>
<div>Ben.</div></div></blockquote></div><br>

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From mark.russel.mitchell at gmail.com  Tue Mar 25 09:08:02 2008
From: mark.russel.mitchell at gmail.com (Mark Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 09:08:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Centralizing network & user information on a small
	network.
Message-ID: <4bca4b7c0803250708v7adf3ac0jd2b2f5530c9f8da6@mail.gmail.com>

My current network looks like this;
1. A 'file server' running Debian Stable exporting a media share and
home directories via nfs.  Samba was working on here the last time I
had a windows machine on the network.,
2, My old desktop running Debian testing,
3, My new desktop running Kubuntu.  (Thanks, Samir)
4, I will soon be adding a windows XP machine, that will need to have
access to at least the samba share on the 'file server'.

I have 4 users. (Parents and two kids), right now, all 4 users have an
account on the old desktop.  I just remembered, I might have a couple
logins on the file server for friends to log in from outside the
network.  Rarely used, SSH only.

Keeping /etc/hosts and uid/gid information has become unwieldy. I know
my nfs share is a permissions mess right now, but I need to get the
uid/gid information synced across all the machines before I really
have a hope of getting that cleaned up.

What system should I learn about that best fits my network size and
the scope of the problem?  LDAP? NIS? rsyncing the appropriate files
from a common place?

Pointers appreciated.

Mark


From teddmaull at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 25 16:50:15 2008
From: teddmaull at yahoo.com (Ted Maul)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:50:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Solving Sudoku (Dir: Guy Ritchie)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1206378010.13262.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <711270.52301.qm@web57607.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

i'd love to see this coded up for tclug mailing list
due to forward facing 2.0 clustered availability with
mobile ad-supported portal user-contributed vblog
management i have a prototype up at
http://www.trashbat.co.ck

reviews welcome!*

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> Hi All,
> 
> I just wrote a facebook application for playing
> Sudoku.
>  
> Those interested..  
> http://apps.facebook.com/sudokusolver/ 
> 
> For non-facebook users:
> http://www.sudoku-solver.net/ 
> 
> Regards 
> 
> Deepan 
> 
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> 
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> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 15:56:36 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [OT]Facebook app
> To: Deepan <codeshepherd at gmail.com>
> Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID:
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> On Mon, 24 Mar 2008, Deepan wrote:
> 
> > I just wrote a facebook application for playing
> Sudoku.
> >
> > http://www.sudoku-solver.net/
> 
> 
> How did someone solve a medium Sudoku in 4 seconds?
> 
> I notice that if I have it "Solve on step" it
> restarts the clock.  Could 
> that have helped the fastest solver?
> 
> By the way, that message was really spam, I would
> say, because it appeared 
> on MLUG (Missouri) and TCLUG (Twin Cities) at about
> the same time.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:14:31 -0500
> From: Eric F Crist <ecrist at secure-computing.net>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [OT]Facebook app
> To: Deepan <codeshepherd at gmail.com>
> Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Wasn't this posted just a few days ago?
> 
> 
> On Mar 23, 2008, at 2:33 PM, Deepan wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I just wrote a facebook application for playing
> > Sudoku.
> >
> > Those interested..
> > http://apps.facebook.com/sudokusolver/
> >
> > For non-facebook users:
> > http://www.sudoku-solver.net/
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Deepan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul,
> Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:23:22 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [OT]Facebook app
> To: TCLUG List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Message-ID:
> <Pine.GSO.4.60.0803231622250.24768 at taxa.epi.umn.edu>
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> 
> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Eric F Crist wrote:
> 
> > Wasn't this posted just a few days ago?
> 
> First he posted just about Facebook, then he posted
> about 
> sudoku-solver.net.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> > On Mar 23, 2008, at 2:33 PM, Deepan wrote:
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> I just wrote a facebook application for playing
> >> Sudoku.
> >>
> >> Those interested..
> >> http://apps.facebook.com/sudokusolver/
> >>
> >> For non-facebook users:
> >> http://www.sudoku-solver.net/
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Deepan
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:36:50 -0500
> From: "Brock Noland" <brockn at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [OT]Facebook app
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From jpschewe at mtu.net  Tue Mar 25 18:27:04 2008
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:27:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Centralizing network & user information on a small
 network.
In-Reply-To: <4bca4b7c0803250708v7adf3ac0jd2b2f5530c9f8da6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4bca4b7c0803250708v7adf3ac0jd2b2f5530c9f8da6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47E98A48.1080205@mtu.net>

I've done something a little larger, up to 50 users and found that a 
hybrid kerberos & LDAP approach worked reasonably well.  Kerberos is 
used for authentication and LDAP is used for the home directory and 
group info. 

Some pointers are here: http://del.icio.us/jpschewe/lug.auth  Some of 
these links are related integrating with windows since active directory 
uses kerberos.

Mark Mitchell wrote:
> My current network looks like this;
> 1. A 'file server' running Debian Stable exporting a media share and
> home directories via nfs.  Samba was working on here the last time I
> had a windows machine on the network.,
> 2, My old desktop running Debian testing,
> 3, My new desktop running Kubuntu.  (Thanks, Samir)
> 4, I will soon be adding a windows XP machine, that will need to have
> access to at least the samba share on the 'file server'.
>
> I have 4 users. (Parents and two kids), right now, all 4 users have an
> account on the old desktop.  I just remembered, I might have a couple
> logins on the file server for friends to log in from outside the
> network.  Rarely used, SSH only.
>
> Keeping /etc/hosts and uid/gid information has become unwieldy. I know
> my nfs share is a permissions mess right now, but I need to get the
> uid/gid information synced across all the machines before I really
> have a hope of getting that cleaned up.
>
> What system should I learn about that best fits my network size and
> the scope of the problem?  LDAP? NIS? rsyncing the appropriate files
> from a common place?
>
> Pointers appreciated.
>
> Mark
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>   

-- 
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nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39



From ecrist at secure-computing.net  Tue Mar 25 18:40:33 2008
From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric F Crist)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:40:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Centralizing network & user information on a small
	network.
In-Reply-To: <47E98A48.1080205@mtu.net>
References: <4bca4b7c0803250708v7adf3ac0jd2b2f5530c9f8da6@mail.gmail.com>
	<47E98A48.1080205@mtu.net>
Message-ID: <C3D8DCCF-B22B-45A2-86E7-1A54ADD35006@secure-computing.net>

Why not just use LDAP for authentication, too, at that point?


On Mar 25, 2008, at 6:27 PM, Jon Schewe wrote:
> I've done something a little larger, up to 50 users and found that a
> hybrid kerberos & LDAP approach worked reasonably well.  Kerberos is
> used for authentication and LDAP is used for the home directory and
> group info.
>
> Some pointers are here: http://del.icio.us/jpschewe/lug.auth  Some of
> these links are related integrating with windows since active  
> directory
> uses kerberos.
>
> Mark Mitchell wrote:
>> My current network looks like this;
>> 1. A 'file server' running Debian Stable exporting a media share and
>> home directories via nfs.  Samba was working on here the last time I
>> had a windows machine on the network.,
>> 2, My old desktop running Debian testing,
>> 3, My new desktop running Kubuntu.  (Thanks, Samir)
>> 4, I will soon be adding a windows XP machine, that will need to have
>> access to at least the samba share on the 'file server'.
>>
>> I have 4 users. (Parents and two kids), right now, all 4 users have  
>> an
>> account on the old desktop.  I just remembered, I might have a couple
>> logins on the file server for friends to log in from outside the
>> network.  Rarely used, SSH only.
>>
>> Keeping /etc/hosts and uid/gid information has become unwieldy. I  
>> know
>> my nfs share is a permissions mess right now, but I need to get the
>> uid/gid information synced across all the machines before I really
>> have a hope of getting that cleaned up.
>>
>> What system should I learn about that best fits my network size and
>> the scope of the problem?  LDAP? NIS? rsyncing the appropriate files
>> from a common place?
>>
>> Pointers appreciated.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>
> -- 
> Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe
> If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital
> signature.
> See http://www.gnupg.org for more information.
>
> For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels
> nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any
> powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all
> creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that
> is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

-----
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Secure Computing Networks




From chewie at wookimus.net  Tue Mar 25 19:12:39 2008
From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:12:39 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] AOE/Coraid anyone?
Message-ID: <27408.1206490359@skuld.wookimus.net>

Just wondering if anyone has had experience with the ATA over Ethernet
(AOE) offerings from Coraid.  Current packages for use with Linux 2.6
kernels include aoe-tools (for attaching) and vblade (for serving).  I
had a chance to demo one of their boxes, and it worked out relatively
nicely, but I had a hiccup with Solaris (which I think I figured out).
Just wondering what others out there think about the technology.

Chad


From jpschewe at mtu.net  Tue Mar 25 20:06:09 2008
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:06:09 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Centralizing network & user information on a small
 network.
In-Reply-To: <C3D8DCCF-B22B-45A2-86E7-1A54ADD35006@secure-computing.net>
References: <4bca4b7c0803250708v7adf3ac0jd2b2f5530c9f8da6@mail.gmail.com>
	<47E98A48.1080205@mtu.net>
	<C3D8DCCF-B22B-45A2-86E7-1A54ADD35006@secure-computing.net>
Message-ID: <47E9A181.2030005@mtu.net>

It was easier than setting up the SSL cert for LDAP and I was also 
trying to see how tough it would be to use this method to integrate with 
windows authentication.  It's also easy to integrate with Apache, which 
is something else I needed.

Eric F Crist wrote:
> Why not just use LDAP for authentication, too, at that point?
>
>
> On Mar 25, 2008, at 6:27 PM, Jon Schewe wrote:
>> I've done something a little larger, up to 50 users and found that a
>> hybrid kerberos & LDAP approach worked reasonably well.  Kerberos is
>> used for authentication and LDAP is used for the home directory and
>> group info.
>>
>> Some pointers are here: http://del.icio.us/jpschewe/lug.auth  Some of
>> these links are related integrating with windows since active directory
>> uses kerberos.
>>
>> Mark Mitchell wrote:
>>> My current network looks like this;
>>> 1. A 'file server' running Debian Stable exporting a media share and
>>> home directories via nfs.  Samba was working on here the last time I
>>> had a windows machine on the network.,
>>> 2, My old desktop running Debian testing,
>>> 3, My new desktop running Kubuntu.  (Thanks, Samir)
>>> 4, I will soon be adding a windows XP machine, that will need to have
>>> access to at least the samba share on the 'file server'.
>>>
>>> I have 4 users. (Parents and two kids), right now, all 4 users have an
>>> account on the old desktop.  I just remembered, I might have a couple
>>> logins on the file server for friends to log in from outside the
>>> network.  Rarely used, SSH only.
>>>
>>> Keeping /etc/hosts and uid/gid information has become unwieldy. I know
>>> my nfs share is a permissions mess right now, but I need to get the
>>> uid/gid information synced across all the machines before I really
>>> have a hope of getting that cleaned up.
>>>
>>> What system should I learn about that best fits my network size and
>>> the scope of the problem?  LDAP? NIS? rsyncing the appropriate files
>>> from a common place?
>>>
>>> Pointers appreciated.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe
>> If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital
>> signature.
>> See http://www.gnupg.org for more information.
>>
>> For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels
>> nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any
>> powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all
>> creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that
>> is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> -----
> Eric F Crist
> Secure Computing Networks
>

-- 
Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe
If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital
signature.
See http://www.gnupg.org for more information.

For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels 
nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any 
powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all 
creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that 
is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39



From srcfoo at gmail.com  Tue Mar 25 23:33:04 2008
From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 23:33:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] AOE/Coraid anyone?
In-Reply-To: <27408.1206490359@skuld.wookimus.net>
References: <27408.1206490359@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <579c6fd30803252133m169dab2o46e27eb5572e75ce@mail.gmail.com>

Great timing, Chad!

I'm also interested to know if anyone has used Coraid. I'm considering
them for use in a web cluster.

Has anyone played around with the various cluster filesystems such as
GFS, Luster, OCFS2? Any thoughts on stability, quality, etc.?


From samir.list at gmail.com  Wed Mar 26 00:32:05 2008
From: samir.list at gmail.com (Samir Faci)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 00:32:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Flourish 2008
In-Reply-To: <1e6142750803161325o7fe9f912r9cc980ac640eb3c6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e6142750803161325o7fe9f912r9cc980ac640eb3c6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1e6142750803252232r5eba3135i87fb4fc159a72e7f@mail.gmail.com>

This is sort of far from you guys, but in case anyone is interested to drive
to Chicago.


---------------To everyone interested,

The University of Illinois at Chicago Linux Users Group (UIC-LUG) and
the University of Illinois at Chicago Association for Computing
Machinery (UIC-ACM) are hosting their second annual Flourish
Conference promoting the adoption and use of Free, Libre and Open
Source Software (FLOSS). The UIC-LUG and UIC-ACM would like to invite
you to attend this glorious event.  The entire conference is free

with registration (or $5 at the door), but please do register if you
plant to attend to lets us know how many people we should expect.
http://www.flourishconf.com/register.php.

Some of our featured speakers will include:  Bruce Perens from Source
Labs, Jon "maddog" Hall from Linux International, Brian Fitzpatrick
(and Ben Collins-Sussman) from Google, Dru Lavigne from Open Source
Business Resource and BSD Certification Group Inc., among many others.

We will be hosting a variety of events which include but are not
limited to:  BarCamp Mini, Flourish Mini-expo, WAFD (Web Application
Framework Development) Rumble, Networking Events,  and Hack-a-Thon,
BSDA Examination.  For more information please visit:
http://www.flourishconf.com/flourish2008/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=30

Flourish 2008 will be held on Friday, April 4th and Saturday, April
5th of next year. We expect the conference attendance to be between
300 and 400 people. Please reply and let me know whether or not you
will be attending Flourish 2008. You can visit the Flourish website at
http://www.flourishconf.com/

Organizations/Developers:  We still have open tables in the expo
space, if you'd like to use one of the tables to advertise your said
organization or promote an event.  We are also still looking for
developers to represent the various Web frameworks.  If anyone is
interested in participating, please feel free to contact me.

Also, please redirect and forward this email to any list that you
think may have an interest in this conference.


Thank you,

Samir Faci
Flourish Public Relations
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From nate at refried.org  Wed Mar 26 07:15:45 2008
From: nate at refried.org (Nate Straz)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:15:45 -0400
Subject: [tclug-list] AOE/Coraid anyone?
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30803252133m169dab2o46e27eb5572e75ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <27408.1206490359@skuld.wookimus.net>
	<579c6fd30803252133m169dab2o46e27eb5572e75ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080326121545.GA32101@refried.org>

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 11:33:04PM -0500, Eric Peterson wrote:
> I'm also interested to know if anyone has used Coraid. I'm considering
> them for use in a web cluster.
> 
> Has anyone played around with the various cluster filesystems such as
> GFS, Luster, OCFS2? Any thoughts on stability, quality, etc.?

We've tested GFS on a Coraid AoE device.  It works, but it's not a high
performance device.  I would suggest multiple dedicated NICs if you can
and the latest AoE driver.  But as with any new configuration, do your
own performance testing to make sure it will live up to your
requirements and expectations.

Nate


From bbaptist at iexposure.com  Wed Mar 26 10:28:40 2008
From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:28:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] AOE/Coraid anyone?
In-Reply-To: <27408.1206490359@skuld.wookimus.net>
References: <27408.1206490359@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <200803261028.40618.bbaptist@iexposure.com>

We are migrating to a webcluster with a Coraid SR1521 as our SAN.  We have 
been extremely impressed with the stability, speed, and reliability of the 
device.  Also their tech support has been amazingly responsive, usually 
responding within an hour from a random request to their email support 
address.

Pros:
	Very fast, AoE as a protocol has little to no overhead, and the hardware is 
well made.
	Simple, the setup and immediate use of the device is dead simple.  The 
vblades show up in Linux as a standard block device.
	Linux support, there is support for the AoE devices right out of the box with 
the stock kernel.  To get the latest drivers and compile them is easy as 
well.
	Inexpensive, for around $6000 you can have a 6.5TB array available to all 
your servers on commodity ethernet hardware.
	

Cons:
	Ubuntu doesn't handle init of the AoE drives very well.  It takes a lot of 
tweaking to get the AoE devices discovered and mounted on boot.
	Mainline Linux kernel doesn't have the latest AoE driver for some reason.  
The new driver has multipathing for much greater speed.
	Not a "true" SAN solution, you are not paying for a bunch of fancy hardware 
or software that ensures redundancy.  You can get a couple of Coraids and do 
raid across them for redundancy but it is not quite the same.  On the other 
hand, you are not paying $100,000 either.
	Commercial software support is lacking, we really want to use our Coraid to 
store VMware ESX virtual server images, however the Coraid is not supported 
by VMware for use as a SAN.  This means we will have to come up with another 
solution if we use ESX as our environment.


That is most everything I can think of off the top of my head right now.  If 
you have any other questions let me know.


Thanks.

Bret.

On Tuesday 25 March 2008 7:12:39 pm Chad Walstrom wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone has had experience with the ATA over Ethernet
> (AOE) offerings from Coraid.  Current packages for use with Linux 2.6
> kernels include aoe-tools (for attaching) and vblade (for serving).  I
> had a chance to demo one of their boxes, and it worked out relatively
> nicely, but I had a hiccup with Solaris (which I think I figured out).
> Just wondering what others out there think about the technology.
>
> Chad
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



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Senior Network Administrator
bbaptist at iexposure.com
Internet Exposure, Inc.
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(612)676-1946 x17

Providing Internet Services since 1995
Web Development ~ Search Engine Marketing ~ Web Analytics
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From bbaptist at iexposure.com  Wed Mar 26 10:50:24 2008
From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:50:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] AOE/Coraid anyone?
In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30803252133m169dab2o46e27eb5572e75ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <27408.1206490359@skuld.wookimus.net>
	<579c6fd30803252133m169dab2o46e27eb5572e75ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200803261050.25085.bbaptist@iexposure.com>

On Tuesday 25 March 2008 11:33:04 pm Eric Peterson wrote:
> Has anyone played around with the various cluster filesystems such as
> GFS, Luster, OCFS2? Any thoughts on stability, quality, etc.?

We are currently using OCFS2 for our clustered Ruby on Rails hosting.  We have 
had very good stability with it so far.  

You need to be really carefull about making sure that your OCFS2 ethernet 
heartbeats are reliable.  Meaning if you unplug the ethernet that OCFS2 is 
using to synchronize with the other cluster members OCFS2 will fence that 
machine using a kernel panic.  Good for data integrity, bad for availability.

Speed has been very good, from our testing OCFS2 was the fastest of the 
clustered filesystems.  It uses extensive client side caching to speed up 
disk access.  Because of this I would recommend putting as much memory as 
possible into the severs you are going to use in the cluster.

The setup and configuration of OCFS2 is very easy.  There is a nice GUI tool 
for management, but managing clusters with just the command line is not hard 
at all.

One thing to keep in mind with OCFS2 is that the protocol is strict version 
dependant.  If you install Ubuntu 6.06 with OCFS2 on one server, all the 
servers that are members of that OCFS2 cluster have to be Ubuntu 6.06.

That is all I have for right now.  Let me know if you have any questions.


Thanks.

Bret.
-- 
Bret Baptist
Senior Network Administrator
bbaptist at iexposure.com
Internet Exposure, Inc.
http://www.iexposure.com
(612)676-1946 x17

Providing Internet Services since 1995
Web Development ~ Search Engine Marketing ~ Web Analytics
Network Security ~ On Demand Tech Support ~ E-Mail Marketing
------------------------------------------


From kc0iog at gmail.com  Fri Mar 28 11:20:56 2008
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:20:56 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Centralizing network & user information on a small
	network.
In-Reply-To: <47E9A181.2030005@mtu.net>
References: <4bca4b7c0803250708v7adf3ac0jd2b2f5530c9f8da6@mail.gmail.com>
	<47E98A48.1080205@mtu.net>
	<C3D8DCCF-B22B-45A2-86E7-1A54ADD35006@secure-computing.net>
	<47E9A181.2030005@mtu.net>
Message-ID: <2c6699da0803280920p34ddf8acmd3e5a091aec21875@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 8:06 PM, Jon Schewe <jpschewe at mtu.net> wrote:

> It was easier than setting up the SSL cert for LDAP and I was also
> trying to see how tough it would be to use this method to integrate with
> windows authentication.  It's also easy to integrate with Apache, which
> is something else I needed.


As I recall, Fedora directory services was supposed to do all of this.
Anyone know?

-Brian
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From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Fri Mar 28 13:25:37 2008
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:25:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] IPCop - Topic @PenguinsUnbound Linux Meeting March 29,
	2008 (tomorrow)
Message-ID: <47ED3821.9000003@Goecke-Dolan.com>

Just a Reminder ....

This months PenguinsUnbound.net meeting
will be Saturday March 29, 2008 (tomorrow) at TIES,
1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108
from 10:00 to 12:00.

(See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com/Location_for_Meetings
for directions and more info.)

We will be talking about IPCop, the Linux based Router/Firewall

We will take a look at it features and options, see what you can do with 
IPCop  and then install and configure and IPCop machine.

http://www.penguinsunbound.com/Future_Meetings/20080329_-_IPCop

Thanks, hope to see you there.

==>brian.


From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com  Sun Mar 30 10:13:26 2008
From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:13:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Brainstorming for creating library list of music
	collection
Message-ID: <bada98250803300813m15b55324t9d67f1e64efdd1e@mail.gmail.com>

Objective: To create a legible, complete list of my audio collection to send
to my brother and friend.

Environment: Ubuntu 7.10, Quod Libet as my main music library program.

First tried to export to html using Quod Libet. The volume of the library
causes this to crash, not a workable solution it seems

An ls -R * command seems to work, although I get EVERYTHING. It would be
preferable to somehow just get the folders.

ls -d gets the directories, but it doesn't seem to work in conjunction with
-R; I can only get the directories in that immediate folder.

Out of exasperation I tried to do:

ls -R *.flac | metaflac --show-tag=artist --show-tag=album >> collection.txt

But the pipe doesn't seem to work as I expected it to and it generates far
more data than I need.

Thoughts?

-- 
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hewhocutsdown at gmail.com
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From florin at iucha.net  Sun Mar 30 10:31:27 2008
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:31:27 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Brainstorming for creating library list of
	music	collection
In-Reply-To: <bada98250803300813m15b55324t9d67f1e64efdd1e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bada98250803300813m15b55324t9d67f1e64efdd1e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080330153127.GD3123@iris.iucha.org>

On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 10:13:26AM -0500, Jordan Peacock wrote:
> An ls -R * command seems to work, although I get EVERYTHING. It would be
> preferable to somehow just get the folders.

'find . -type d'

Cheers,
florin

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From pcrequest at gmail.com  Mon Mar 31 08:17:18 2008
From: pcrequest at gmail.com (Aaron Lewis)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:17:18 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] RAID1 conf printout
Message-ID: <8cb4302d0803310617p16861081m521fb635f1d46c10@mail.gmail.com>

This morning my Fedora Core 2 was pinging, but http, ssh, svn weren't
responding. Console allowed input, but I couldn't log in, displayed:

Zorg Login: RAID1 conf printout: - - wd:2 rd:2
Disk0,wo:0 o:1,dev:sda2
Disk1,wo:0,o;1,dev:sdb2

I noticed in the BIOS the built in RAID was disabled.  It could have
been setup with a software RAID originally, but no one remembers (I
know).  The clock retained time, so I don't think having it powered
off reset BIOS settings-like the RAID.

 I reset the machine and its running a series of fsck consistency
checks as prompted. Not sure if this is a good thing or not.


From kc0iog at gmail.com  Mon Mar 31 08:49:48 2008
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:49:48 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] RAID1 conf printout
In-Reply-To: <8cb4302d0803310617p16861081m521fb635f1d46c10@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8cb4302d0803310617p16861081m521fb635f1d46c10@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2c6699da0803310649g70381894ka6d20d6eed096d38@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Aaron Lewis <pcrequest at gmail.com> wrote:

> This morning my Fedora Core 2 was pinging, but http, ssh, svn weren't
> responding. Console allowed input, but I couldn't log in, displayed:


Your symptoms sound consistent with a disk issue.  Is it possible that you
managed to fill up /?

-Brian
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From mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu  Mon Mar 31 11:17:19 2008
From: mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:17:19 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Brainstorming for creating library list of music
 collection
In-Reply-To: <20080330153127.GD3123@iris.iucha.org>
References: <bada98250803300813m15b55324t9d67f1e64efdd1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080330153127.GD3123@iris.iucha.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0803311101200.11337@taxa.epi.umn.edu>

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008, Florin Iucha wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 10:13:26AM -0500, Jordan Peacock wrote:
>> An ls -R * command seems to work, although I get EVERYTHING. It would be
>> preferable to somehow just get the folders.
>
> 'find . -type d'

That's a good answer.  You might want to then either snip out the initial 
"./", like so...

find . -type d' | perl -pe 's#^\./##'

...or even drop all of the path except for the directory name:

find . -type d | gawk -F'/' '{print $NF}'

Related to this kind of stuff, I really like this "tree" program:

http://mama.indstate.edu/users/ice/tree/

Using that you can do things like this...

tree -dN

...to get a neat view of your directory tree.  It also allows for HTML 
output with links.  That can be very useful.

Mike


From tclug at lizakowski.com  Mon Mar 31 13:49:50 2008
From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:49:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Meeting:  Wed, April 9, 7:00 - 8:30pm
In-Reply-To: <200711051205.21920.tclug@lizakowski.com>
References: <200711051205.21920.tclug@lizakowski.com>
Message-ID: <200803311349.51028.tclug@lizakowski.com>

The next TCLUG meeting is coming soon!

The next meeting will feature Voice Over IP on Linux:

Curious to learn about doing VOIP on Linux? In this presentation we will show 
some of the features of the popular open source telephony system called 
Asterisk. From setting up voicemail, to conference calling, to an interactive 
voice response system, come and check out what Asterisk on Linux is all 
about.

Presenters:

Justin Grammens : Localtone Interactive, LLC - http://www.localtone.com -
Localtone Interactive is a Minneapolis, MN based internet application
development company focusing on using Ruby on Rails, Java, Linux and Open
Source technologies to provide business solutions to our clients.

Jason Brockman : OneNet USA - http://www.onenetusa.com/ - OneNet USA is a
Communications Solutions Provider offering integrated network solutions for
voice, data, IP, and video to a diverse clientele

Eric Osterberg : Sound Choice Communications, LLC -
http://www.soundchoicecomm.com/ - Founded in May of 2001, Sound Choice
Communications offers competitive telecommunications services in Minnesota
including highspeed DSL, local VoIP dialtone, private data circuits, and
VoIP long distance service.

NOTE:  there is a room change.  

 Date: Wed, April 9th
 Time: 7:00 - 8:30 pm
 University of Minnesota Minneapolis campus, EE/CSci Building , Room: 3-115
 200 Union St SE, Minneapolis 55455

 http://www.tclug.org




From teeahr1 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 31 14:27:47 2008
From: teeahr1 at gmail.com (p.daniels)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 14:27:47 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG Meeting:  Wed, April 9, 7:00 - 8:30pm
In-Reply-To: <200803311349.51028.tclug@lizakowski.com>
References: <200711051205.21920.tclug@lizakowski.com>
	<200803311349.51028.tclug@lizakowski.com>
Message-ID: <47F13B33.1060901@gmail.com>

Jeremy wrote:
> The next TCLUG meeting is coming soon!
OMG, a TCLUG meeting notice more than two days in advance?! Holy cow! 
I'll be there!

-p.


From hewhocutsdown at gmail.com  Mon Mar 31 18:58:51 2008
From: hewhocutsdown at gmail.com (Jordan Peacock)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:58:51 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Brainstorming for creating library list of music
	collection
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.60.0803311101200.11337@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
References: <bada98250803300813m15b55324t9d67f1e64efdd1e@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080330153127.GD3123@iris.iucha.org>
	<Pine.GSO.4.60.0803311101200.11337@taxa.epi.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <bada98250803311658r464de8eej51471cccaf05ea14@mail.gmail.com>

Well, all of the solutions worked....

but that tree program is FANTASTIC. Thank you so much. Very easy to
read/use.

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Mike Miller <mbmiller at taxa.epi.umn.edu>
wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008, Florin Iucha wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 10:13:26AM -0500, Jordan Peacock wrote:
> >> An ls -R * command seems to work, although I get EVERYTHING. It would
> be
> >> preferable to somehow just get the folders.
> >
> > 'find . -type d'
>
> That's a good answer.  You might want to then either snip out the initial
> "./", like so...
>
> find . -type d' | perl -pe 's#^\./##'
>
> ...or even drop all of the path except for the directory name:
>
> find . -type d | gawk -F'/' '{print $NF}'
>
> Related to this kind of stuff, I really like this "tree" program:
>
> http://mama.indstate.edu/users/ice/tree/
>
> Using that you can do things like this...
>
> tree -dN
>
> ...to get a neat view of your directory tree.  It also allows for HTML
> output with links.  That can be very useful.
>
> Mike
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



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From brian.l.johnson at gmail.com  Fri Mar 28 09:55:01 2008
From: brian.l.johnson at gmail.com (Brian Johnson)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:55:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] AOE/Coraid anyone?
In-Reply-To: <27408.1206490359@skuld.wookimus.net>
References: <27408.1206490359@skuld.wookimus.net>
Message-ID: <4a7b96ee0803280755k3dbda936k76a4dfa1462f8732@mail.gmail.com>

I have used a Coraid system in my lab for over a year now without a
hitch.  I have not tried to attach anything other then a Linux box to
it, but I keep meaning try it with FreeBSD.

To echo what other people have said they have been very good at
responding to any inquiries we have had.  We aren't doing anything
advanced with it, we just needed a pile of storage accessible over
Samba and NFS. For those purposes I can highly recommend them.

On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 7:12 PM, Chad Walstrom <chewie at wookimus.net> wrote:
> Just wondering if anyone has had experience with the ATA over Ethernet
>  (AOE) offerings from Coraid.  Current packages for use with Linux 2.6
>  kernels include aoe-tools (for attaching) and vblade (for serving).  I
>  had a chance to demo one of their boxes, and it worked out relatively
>  nicely, but I had a hiccup with Solaris (which I think I figured out).
>  Just wondering what others out there think about the technology.
>
>  Chad
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>  tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>  http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>


From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Fri Mar 28 11:31:45 2008
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:31:45 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] IPCop - Topic @PenguinsUnbound Linux Meeting March 29,
	2008 (tomorrow)
Message-ID: <47ED1D71.9000607@Goecke-Dolan.com>


Just a Reminder ....

This months PenguinsUnbound.net meeting
will be Saturday March 29, 2008 (tomorrow) at TIES,
1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108
from 10:00 to 12:00.

(See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com/Location_for_Meetings
for directions and more info.)

We will be talking about IPCop, the Linux based Router/Firewall

We will take a look at it features and options, see what you can do with 
IPCop  and then install and configure and IPCop machine.

http://www.penguinsunbound.com/Future_Meetings/20080329_-_IPCop

Thanks, hope to see you there.

==>brian.


From alaskacc at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 28 23:06:05 2008
From: alaskacc at yahoo.com (Clay Cummins)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 21:06:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Apple Computer for sale?
Message-ID: <128422.11868.qm@web57712.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Hello Dan,

I am interested to know if you have any of your old
Apple IIGS gear available.  Thank you.

Clay Cummins
alaskacc at yahoo.com


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From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Tue Mar  4 16:28:50 2008
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:28:50 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.3.1212416429.31650.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>

sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

This will fire up the configurations for your XServer and will attempt
detecting the monitors supported display modes. On recent hardware
this should work, but it won't hurt to have your displays manual handy
just in case. You need to know the native resolution for your flat
panel.

After reconfiguration the xorg X11 server, run:

sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart

This will restart the display manager and if everything is now set
properly, you'll get your familiar GUI login screen.

-- 
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com