> -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Broecker [mailto:Bruce.Broecker at toro.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:28 AM > To: Chuck Cole > Subject: RE: [tclug-list] laptops for GNU/Linux > > > I made no claims of transient success. Your experience is probably temporary, due to the poor physical design and susceptibility under minor transportation vibrations even in properly padded cases. THAT is what I meant and experienced and explained as transient success. Chuck > Both of my HP laptops have been > rock solid. HP DID have a bad run when they were sourcing their laptops > from Twinhead, but that was years back and seems to have improved, in my > opinion. Obviously, your experience has been different and you are > entitled to hate HP. I was simply pointing out that my experience has > been positive. > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Cole > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:17 AM > To: Bruce Broecker; TCLUG List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] laptops for GNU/Linux > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Bruce Broecker > > Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 8:25 AM > > To: TCLUG List > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] laptops for GNU/Linux > > > > > > I see your disagreement and raise you 'evidence'. > > > > I've got both an HP zv6000 and a dv9000 (I, too, like the dual hard > > drives and full keyboard) and have been able to get wireless working > on > > both using the new kernel modules and NOT ndiswrapper. It is not as > > simple as plug and play, but SuSE provides scripts to download and > > install the correct firmware for the Broadcom chipsets. I simply plug > it > > into a wired connection, run the scripts to get the firmware, and the > > system takes it from there. > > > > Bruce > > I don't see relevant "evidence" at all. DIY feasibility was not the > topic. Enjoy your bad internal physical design and poor > support and enjoy that it works some of the time. I got mine to work > some of the time also (with help from some TCLUG folk), and > when working it was fine. However, I got really tired of the hardware > failure problems and the not poor but really BAD HP support. > Transient success is hardly "evidence" against the issues I raised, and > a really poor basis to recommend buying, IMHO. > > > Chuck > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Cole [mailto:cncole at earthlink.net] > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:21 PM > To: TCLUG List > Cc: Mike Miller > Subject: RE: [tclug-list] laptops for GNU/Linux > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of > auditodd at comcast.net > > Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 6:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] laptops for GNU/Linux > > > > > > I guess I have to disagree just a little. :-) > > I'd strongly disagree with choosing an HP. I was a fan, and had other > HP stuff that was good. I bought a top-of-the-line laptop. > HP invented the IrDA interface, but US models did not have the external > window and IR devices even though the mobo controller chip > was there. Same model sold in Europe had complete IrDA. HP did not > support Linux at all then, but had a program in France that > did. I was eventually able to get some drivers from them. The modem > was a Winmodem, so the driver issue for that was extra hard. > The unit was not actually specified for "road warrior handling" > (vibration, minor shock, etc) as the Dell Latitude series is (and > Dell has IrDA). The CPU had ball-bond intermittent failures causing > freezes. Replaced the motherboard and it happened again. > Warranty ran 3 years and was non-renewable and HP gives NO HELP if not > under warranty. Dell has lifetime tech support (and > renewable warranty) in the Latitude series, so a lease return is a great > buy. Was able to get Linux to run most stuff, but it was a > pain and standard support was NO HELP. > > I'd never buy another HP computer... certainly not a laptop: weak or no > specs, bad construction, terrible support, etc. > > I am not paid by HP at all. Based upon my direct technical experience, > and that of an authorized repair center. > > Chuck > > > > > > I have an HP dv9010us. > > Quite the beast of a laptop, but I like being able to run dual hard > drives, the widescreen, and the number pad on the > > right. (Yes, this is a wide laptop.) > > The internal wireless does NOT work with Linux. > > There are all sorts of sites outlining how to make it work... > > Bah! > > Easier to just plug an Edimax EW7318 into one of the 4 USB ports. > > Otherwise, everything else "just works" with Ubuntu v8.10 amd64 > version. > > -- > > ========== > > Todd Young > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: Jeff Nelson <stutterstutt at comcast.net> > > > Mike Miller wrote: > > > > To the list -- What are your experiences with GNU/Linux laptops in > hotels, > > > > airports and coffee shops? > > > > > > I've been told that laptops build around Intel chipsets tend to work > > > better with GNU/Linux than others because they have better support > in > > > the Open Source arena. Of course, things change and YMMV. The key > factor > > > is whether or not your favorite distro supports the chipset used for > > > wireless networking. > > > > > > I've worked and traveled with two different HP business-class > laptops > > > (hp Compaq nc6000 and hp Compaq nc6320). I use Ubuntu (Intrepid) and > the > > > Gnome desktop. gnome-network-manager handles switching from wired to > > > wireless (and vice versa) and will automatically connect to a > wireless > > > network I've been on before. > > > > > > Based on my personal experience with them, I recommend taking a look > at > > > HP business laptops; they just work for me with little fuss. > Refurbished > > > HP business laptops are an especially good value. > > > > > > -Jeff > > > > > > P.S. Disclaimers: I work for HP. I am speaking for myself, not HP. > My > > > comments are based on my own personal experience. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > This electronic message including any attachments ("Message") may contain information that is privileged, confidential > and/or exempt from disclosure under trade secret and other applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, notify > the sender immediately, permanently delete all copies of this Message, and be aware that examination, use, dissemination, > duplication or disclosure of this Message is strictly prohibited. > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.3/1879 - Release Date: 1/8/2009 8:13 AM >