From jpschewe at mtu.net Tue Mar 3 18:37:41 2009 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:37:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Mac & Linux compatible trash program Message-ID: <49ADCD55.2010703@mtu.net> I've found that trash-cli is a really nice application that allows commandline access to the trashcan used in KDE and GNOME. Has anyone found or implemented the spec for the Mac OS X trash so that one could recognize the freedesktop.org trash and the Mac OS X trash with the same application. This could be especially useful for removable drives. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From admin at lctn.org Thu Mar 5 12:53:54 2009 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 12:53:54 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Speech Recognition Message-ID: <49B01FC2.2000908@lctn.org> I'm searching around for a quality speech (to text) recognition software that will work on Ubuntu. I found a wiki with a number of them, most projects were dead or outdated. Sphinx seemed to be at the top of the list, but looks very complicated to set up. Are there any solutions people have found that are easy to set up, and have a high accuracy rating? From srcfoo at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 13:44:53 2009 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 13:44:53 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Normalized Databases Message-ID: <579c6fd30903051144o56ced52bva768c6f9d7862fc7@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I'm trying to convince certain people in our company that we need to normalize some (maybe all) of our database to 1NF. I'm trying to avoid situations where we need to make database schema and code updates to add a 2nd phone number to a user in the system as an example. They want evidence that such a database is better and that's it's not too complicated to understand. Does anyone have any resources or projects (oss) that I can present to help convince them? Also looking for some examples or documentation that would help us design our system and avoid some common problems? Thanks, Eric From trnja001 at umn.edu Thu Mar 5 13:58:19 2009 From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:58:19 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Normalized Databases In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30903051144o56ced52bva768c6f9d7862fc7@mail.gmail.com> References: <579c6fd30903051144o56ced52bva768c6f9d7862fc7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B02EDB.2010102@umn.edu> Eric Peterson wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to convince certain people in our company that we need to > normalize some (maybe all) of our database to 1NF. I'm trying to avoid > situations where we need to make database schema and code updates to > add a 2nd phone number to a user in the system as an example. > If there was a 'user' table, you'd add a duplicate record with just the phone number field different? Sounds messy. > They want evidence that such a database is better and that's it's not > too complicated to understand. > > It's better because it's less work to maintain and less work to make sure some data you're updating/removing doesn't get outdated. It's not more complicated conceptually for 1NF, just can be more tables to work with. > Does anyone have any resources or projects (oss) that I can present to > help convince them? Almost anything that uses a traditional database - as I work with the database every day, I can say the Moodle course management system fits 1NF > Also looking for some examples or documentation > that would help us design our system and avoid some common problems? > Get a book (or find some articles) on database design - the common problems are well documented and can be derived from understanding the normal forms. > Thanks, > Eric > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From Dean.Benjamin at mm.com Thu Mar 5 21:03:42 2009 From: Dean.Benjamin at mm.com (Dean.Benjamin at mm.com) Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 21:03:42 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] OT/WinXP: Can't delete folders/files; suspect bad MFT In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30903051144o56ced52bva768c6f9d7862fc7@mail.gmail.co m> References: <579c6fd30903051144o56ced52bva768c6f9d7862fc7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20090305195131.02726f98@pop.mm.com> I'm working on a friend's WinXP system with about a dozen files and folders that behave weirdly. Can't delete them, copy them, nor move 'em. They appear to be phantoms of the file system; that is, their names appear in the directory, but the associated objects have no properties. The bad files are in an user's MyDocs folder on the C: drive, where WinXP is also installed. The user is an Administrator, with full privileges. The good news: he doesn't need the data. I merely want to delete these "phantoms" and clean up the NTFS file structure, because I suspect that these strange file-things are responsible for the misbehavior of a video editing application. My hunch is that the NTFS master file table is broken. If so, the bad news gleaned from the web is that my only way out is to reformat the disk and reload the system. This ordeal I hope to avoid. Can anyone suggest a tool or method that will locate all the "phantoms" on the C: drive, and repair the relevant NTFS structures? (Recovery of phantoms optional.) SYMPTOMS (1) Except for the filesystem glitches described here, the computer works just fine. (2) No malware detected by three scanners: AVG Free, Norton System Scan, Sunbelt VIPRE Rescue Scanner. (3) KillBox fails; message: "The file does not seem to exist". (4) A double-click on one of the bad folders yields a glimpse of what looks like the correct contents. But within a second or two, the window opened on the phantom folder vanishes -- just disappears, as though I had clicked on the close button in the upper right corner. No message, no nothing, just poof/gone. (5) For subsequent discussion, refer to this representative directory structure: TopDir\ (the parent directory, contains the rest) BadDir\ (a "phantom" directory, behaving badly) bad.file (a file within BadDir\) OKDir\ (a folder that behaves normally) ... etc ... (6) Ordinary Explorer Copy/Paste operation (ctrl+C/ctrl+V) fails on BadDir\; message: "Cannot copy file: Cannot read from the source file or disk." (7) Within a CMD.EXE window, after "cd TopDir\": (7a) "dir /q /s" lists all files and subfiles of TopDir\, as expected. However: whereas the owner of OKDir\ appears as expected, the owner of BadDir\ is given as "...". Stranger still: bad.file's owner appears as expected. (7b) "dir BadDir\bad.file" fails; message: "The system cannot find the file specified." (7c) "cd BadDir" fails; message: "The system cannot find the path specified." (7d) "cacls BadDir" fails; message: "The system cannot find the file specified." (8) In Explorer, right-click -> Properties of BadDir\ shows size 0 bytes, and the create/mod/access dates are all blank -- even though the "dir" command in (7a) shows a mod date, as expected. From trnja001 at umn.edu Thu Mar 5 21:54:42 2009 From: trnja001 at umn.edu (trnja001 at umn.edu) Date: 05 Mar 2009 21:54:42 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] OT/WinXP: Can't delete folders/files; suspect bad MFT In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20090305195131.02726f98@pop.mm.com> References: <579c6fd30903051144o56ced52bva768c6f9d7862fc7@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20090305195131.02726f98@pop.mm.com> Message-ID: I've had this happen with some Adobe Flash folders. The solution for me was to boot into Knoppix (or some other Live CD) and remove the files that way. The other option is, if there is enough free space and the folders aren't on the OS partition, to create a new partition, move all the files to it and remove the old one with the stuck files. On Mar 5 2009, Dean.Benjamin at mm.com wrote: >I'm working on a friend's WinXP system with about a dozen files and >folders that behave weirdly. Can't delete them, copy them, nor move >'em. They appear to be phantoms of the file system; that is, their >names appear in the directory, but the associated objects have no >properties. The bad files are in an user's MyDocs folder on the C: >drive, where WinXP is also installed. The user is an Administrator, >with full privileges. > >The good news: he doesn't need the data. I merely want to delete >these "phantoms" and clean up the NTFS file structure, because I >suspect that these strange file-things are responsible for the >misbehavior of a video editing application. > >My hunch is that the NTFS master file table is broken. If so, the >bad news gleaned from the web is that my only way out is to reformat >the disk and reload the system. This ordeal I hope to avoid. > >Can anyone suggest a tool or method that will locate all the >"phantoms" on the C: drive, and repair the relevant NTFS >structures? (Recovery of phantoms optional.) > > >SYMPTOMS > >(1) Except for the filesystem glitches described here, the computer >works just fine. > >(2) No malware detected by three scanners: AVG Free, Norton System >Scan, Sunbelt VIPRE Rescue Scanner. > >(3) KillBox fails; message: "The file does not seem to exist". > >(4) A double-click on one of the bad folders yields a glimpse of what >looks like the correct contents. But within a second or two, the >window opened on the phantom folder vanishes -- just disappears, as >though I had clicked on the close button in the upper right >corner. No message, no nothing, just poof/gone. > >(5) For subsequent discussion, refer to this representative directory >structure: > TopDir\ (the parent directory, contains the rest) > BadDir\ (a "phantom" directory, behaving badly) > bad.file (a file within BadDir\) > OKDir\ (a folder that behaves normally) > ... etc ... > >(6) Ordinary Explorer Copy/Paste operation (ctrl+C/ctrl+V) fails on >BadDir\; message: "Cannot copy file: Cannot read from the source file >or disk." > >(7) Within a CMD.EXE window, after "cd TopDir\": > >(7a) "dir /q /s" lists all files and subfiles of TopDir\, as >expected. However: whereas the owner of OKDir\ appears as expected, >the owner of BadDir\ is given as "...". Stranger still: bad.file's >owner appears as expected. > >(7b) "dir BadDir\bad.file" fails; message: "The system cannot find >the file specified." > > (7c) "cd BadDir" fails; message: "The system cannot find the path > specified." > >(7d) "cacls BadDir" fails; message: "The system cannot find the file >specified." > >(8) In Explorer, right-click -> Properties of BadDir\ shows size 0 >bytes, and the create/mod/access dates are all blank -- even though >the "dir" command in (7a) shows a mod date, as expected. > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blawrence at qwest.net Thu Mar 5 22:09:06 2009 From: blawrence at qwest.net (Brian Lawrence) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 22:09:06 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] OT/WinXP: Can't delete folders/files; suspect bad MFT In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20090305195131.02726f98@pop.mm.com> References: <579c6fd30903051144o56ced52bva768c6f9d7862fc7@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20090305195131.02726f98@pop.mm.com> Message-ID: <620FBD7B8EF8463E88321206EA82635A@dcm.int> I would try the following: 1. Run c:\chkdsk /X /R 2. Run c:\chkntfs /C C: to force a scan at the next boot before the OS is loaded 3. Reboot and then try to remove the files with Explorer If the above methods don't remove the files I would try the following: Open a command line window Close any open programs Open task manager Kill the explorer.exe process Switch back to the command line window Delete the files from the command line Run explorer.exe to restore the GUI You could also try running SDelete from Technet/Sysinternals Hope this helps, Brian -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Dean.Benjamin at mm.com Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:04 PM To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: [tclug-list] OT/WinXP: Can't delete folders/files; suspect bad MFT I'm working on a friend's WinXP system with about a dozen files and folders that behave weirdly. Can't delete them, copy them, nor move 'em. They appear to be phantoms of the file system; that is, their names appear in the directory, but the associated objects have no properties. The bad files are in an user's MyDocs folder on the C: drive, where WinXP is also installed. The user is an Administrator, with full privileges. The good news: he doesn't need the data. I merely want to delete these "phantoms" and clean up the NTFS file structure, because I suspect that these strange file-things are responsible for the misbehavior of a video editing application. My hunch is that the NTFS master file table is broken. If so, the bad news gleaned from the web is that my only way out is to reformat the disk and reload the system. This ordeal I hope to avoid. Can anyone suggest a tool or method that will locate all the "phantoms" on the C: drive, and repair the relevant NTFS structures? (Recovery of phantoms optional.) SYMPTOMS (1) Except for the filesystem glitches described here, the computer works just fine. (2) No malware detected by three scanners: AVG Free, Norton System Scan, Sunbelt VIPRE Rescue Scanner. (3) KillBox fails; message: "The file does not seem to exist". (4) A double-click on one of the bad folders yields a glimpse of what looks like the correct contents. But within a second or two, the window opened on the phantom folder vanishes -- just disappears, as though I had clicked on the close button in the upper right corner. No message, no nothing, just poof/gone. (5) For subsequent discussion, refer to this representative directory structure: TopDir\ (the parent directory, contains the rest) BadDir\ (a "phantom" directory, behaving badly) bad.file (a file within BadDir\) OKDir\ (a folder that behaves normally) ... etc ... (6) Ordinary Explorer Copy/Paste operation (ctrl+C/ctrl+V) fails on BadDir\; message: "Cannot copy file: Cannot read from the source file or disk." (7) Within a CMD.EXE window, after "cd TopDir\": (7a) "dir /q /s" lists all files and subfiles of TopDir\, as expected. However: whereas the owner of OKDir\ appears as expected, the owner of BadDir\ is given as "...". Stranger still: bad.file's owner appears as expected. (7b) "dir BadDir\bad.file" fails; message: "The system cannot find the file specified." (7c) "cd BadDir" fails; message: "The system cannot find the path specified." (7d) "cacls BadDir" fails; message: "The system cannot find the file specified." (8) In Explorer, right-click -> Properties of BadDir\ shows size 0 bytes, and the create/mod/access dates are all blank -- even though the "dir" command in (7a) shows a mod date, as expected. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at natecarlson.com Fri Mar 6 01:05:49 2009 From: tclug at natecarlson.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 01:05:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Normalized Databases In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30903051144o56ced52bva768c6f9d7862fc7@mail.gmail.com> References: <579c6fd30903051144o56ced52bva768c6f9d7862fc7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Eric Peterson wrote: > I'm trying to convince certain people in our company that we need to > normalize some (maybe all) of our database to 1NF. I'm trying to avoid > situations where we need to make database schema and code updates to add > a 2nd phone number to a user in the system as an example. > > They want evidence that such a database is better and that's it's not > too complicated to understand. How can they not understand? I have no formal DBA training.. I had actually never heard of 1NF until your post, when I went and looked it up, but it totally aligns with what I've been doing for ages when I design a schema. It's just logical! I'm assuming these are people who are either new to DB's or just not all that experienced? If you just go to the Wikipedia page for 1NF, there are a lot of good arguments. Most database books are also going to make a good argument for it. Or just point them at this thread.. I highly doubt anyone on the list will argue against normalizing the DB's. ;) -nc From josh at radkeland.org Fri Mar 6 08:18:01 2009 From: josh at radkeland.org (Joshua Radke) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:18:01 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] OT/WinXP: Can't delete folders/files; suspect bad MFT In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20090305195131.02726f98@pop.mm.com> References: <579c6fd30903051144o56ced52bva768c6f9d7862fc7@mail.gmail.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20090305195131.02726f98@pop.mm.com> Message-ID: <49B13099.9010604@radkeland.org> All of the suggestions to date should be tried first (delete from live, offline chkdsk). After that, (as long as you're obsessed with preventing a re-format/re-install), you have to dig deeper. For good general background on some deeper system problems, http://www.sysinternals.com is excellent. You'll want to get process explorer, and Rootkit revealer. Fire up Process Explorer, and use the find command to determine if the files are 'in use' as reported to Process Explorer. If not, suspect one of two remaining problems. 1) NTFS (MFT?) corruption. In this case, even if you do find a method to 'delete' the files, I wouldn't trust the disk for further use without a reformat. Is the source of the corruption just hidden, waiting to take out something important later? 2) The computer has (at one point) had a rootkit installed. In this case, it is still possible to remove all of the harmful components of the rootkit (maybe), it's just impossible to be 100% certain you've gotten all the pieces. If you suspect #2, run Rootkit Revealer, and carefully investigate/take action on every discrepancy between user mode and kernel mode results. Note that scanners can have a very hard time with both rootkits, and uncommon variants of infections. Or ... just reformat and put Ubuntu on it (which I'm doing more and more when I get broken Windows computers from friends). I hope this helps. Josh -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [tclug-list] OT/WinXP: Can't delete folders/files; suspect bad MFT From: Dean.Benjamin at mm.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Date: Thu Mar 05 2009 21:03:42 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time) > I'm working on a friend's WinXP system with about a dozen files and > folders that behave weirdly. Can't delete them, copy them, nor move > 'em. They appear to be phantoms of the file system; that is, their > names appear in the directory, but the associated objects have no > properties. The bad files are in an user's MyDocs folder on the C: > drive, where WinXP is also installed. The user is an Administrator, > with full privileges. > > The good news: he doesn't need the data. I merely want to delete > these "phantoms" and clean up the NTFS file structure, because I > suspect that these strange file-things are responsible for the > misbehavior of a video editing application. > > My hunch is that the NTFS master file table is broken. If so, the > bad news gleaned from the web is that my only way out is to reformat > the disk and reload the system. This ordeal I hope to avoid. > > Can anyone suggest a tool or method that will locate all the > "phantoms" on the C: drive, and repair the relevant NTFS > structures? (Recovery of phantoms optional.) > > > SYMPTOMS > > (1) Except for the filesystem glitches described here, the computer > works just fine. > > (2) No malware detected by three scanners: AVG Free, Norton System > Scan, Sunbelt VIPRE Rescue Scanner. > > (3) KillBox fails; message: "The file does not seem to exist". > > (4) A double-click on one of the bad folders yields a glimpse of what > looks like the correct contents. But within a second or two, the > window opened on the phantom folder vanishes -- just disappears, as > though I had clicked on the close button in the upper right > corner. No message, no nothing, just poof/gone. > > (5) For subsequent discussion, refer to this representative directory > structure: > TopDir\ (the parent directory, contains the rest) > BadDir\ (a "phantom" directory, behaving badly) > bad.file (a file within BadDir\) > OKDir\ (a folder that behaves normally) > ... etc ... > > (6) Ordinary Explorer Copy/Paste operation (ctrl+C/ctrl+V) fails on > BadDir\; message: "Cannot copy file: Cannot read from the source file > or disk." > > (7) Within a CMD.EXE window, after "cd TopDir\": > > (7a) "dir /q /s" lists all files and subfiles of TopDir\, as > expected. However: whereas the owner of OKDir\ appears as expected, > the owner of BadDir\ is given as "...". Stranger still: bad.file's > owner appears as expected. > > (7b) "dir BadDir\bad.file" fails; message: "The system cannot find > the file specified." > > (7c) "cd BadDir" fails; message: "The system cannot find the path specified." > > (7d) "cacls BadDir" fails; message: "The system cannot find the file > specified." > > (8) In Explorer, right-click -> Properties of BadDir\ shows size 0 > bytes, and the create/mod/access dates are all blank -- even though > the "dir" command in (7a) shows a mod date, as expected. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From admin at lctn.org Mon Mar 9 08:08:11 2009 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 08:08:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Need help with sound device Message-ID: <49B514BB.8070909@lctn.org> I have a box which I have been running Ubuntu on, but needed to switch to Debian to try an overcome a software package install issue. In Ubuntu, my sound device was located at /dev/dsp, but this is not found in Debian Lenny. Any idea how to get it to show up there, or what other path might be used instead? lsmod and lspci show the following: lsmod snd 45604 6 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_seq,snd_ lspci 00:1e.2 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) From aristophrenic at warpmail.net Mon Mar 9 10:17:32 2009 From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 10:17:32 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Need help with sound device In-Reply-To: <49B514BB.8070909@lctn.org> References: <49B514BB.8070909@lctn.org> Message-ID: <1236611852.14364.1304421559@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 08:08:11 -0500, "Raymond Norton" said: > In Ubuntu, my sound device was located at /dev/dsp, but this is not found > in Debian Lenny. Any idea how to get it to show up there, or what other > path might be used instead? I would check this in Gentoo by doing the following: Check in the /proc/asound directory to see whether the kernel modules found the devices. Check in /etc/udev/rules.d/40-alsa.rules for the node assignment of the dsp device. From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Tue Mar 10 13:32:55 2009 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 13:32:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT - Make:Day at Science Museum Message-ID: <49B6B257.5030605@Goecke-Dolan.com> Not exactly a Linux Topic, but I thought you other hackers would enjoy this. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- MAKE: Day Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. at the Science Museum of Minnesota Celebrate the ingenuity and inventiveness in our community. Make: television, Geek Squad? and the Science Museum of Minnesota join forces to create a new event giving local engineers, artists, tinkerers, and inventors the opportunity to showcase their Do-It-Yourself creations to museum visitors. This family-friendly event features arts, electronics, musical performances, green technology, and crafting. Create glowing shadows using flashes of light, meet the inventor of Rollerblades and Kong Pong, listen to the mad scientists of industrial percussion, Savage Aural Hotbed, and much more! Festivities will take place throughout the museum's exhibit galleries. The event is included in the regular admission price. http://www.smm.org/makeday/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ NOTE: I don't work for Science Museum, or MAKE or anyone like that. Just thought some of you other hacker out there would be interested in this. ==>brian. From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Tue Mar 10 21:28:52 2009 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:28:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Saens GPG key? Message-ID: <1236738532.23338.5.camel@localhost> Has anyone else been using the local UMN Debian mirror saens.debian.org? It seems to have a GnuPG repository key that I haven't been able to track down (or maybe its key is expired or something) -- When I've tried apt-get packages from there, I get a prompt like this: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! iceweasel-dom-inspector Install these packages without verification [y/N]? Oh well, I've just switched over to use a normal "http.us.debian.org" mirror instead, which seems to be working fine. I figured I'd just ask the group to see if anyone knew anything about that. -- Mike Hicks -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have tried alot of different flavors of Linux and think mint is the most polished. anyone can make config files with a command prompt really who even cares anymore about the shell. you write a few scripts and config a few files thats it. http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/reviews/index.cgi From jack at jacku.com Wed Mar 11 20:18:02 2009 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:18:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] OT - Make:Day at Science Museum In-Reply-To: <49B6B257.5030605@Goecke-Dolan.com> References: <49B6B257.5030605@Goecke-Dolan.com> Message-ID: <61860.66.41.79.55.1236820682.squirrel@mail.highspeedrails.com> I do work for the Science Museum, as a volunteer, and I'll encourage people to go as well. If I didn't have a Linux meeting to run Saturday morning I'd probably be working the event. If you go, have fun. Jack > Not exactly a Linux Topic, but I thought you other hackers would enjoy > this. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > MAKE: Day > > Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. > at the Science Museum of Minnesota > > Celebrate the ingenuity and inventiveness in our community. Make: > television, Geek Squad? and the Science Museum of Minnesota join forces > to create a new event giving local engineers, artists, tinkerers, and > inventors the opportunity to showcase their Do-It-Yourself creations to > museum visitors. > > This family-friendly event features arts, electronics, musical > performances, green technology, and crafting. Create glowing shadows > using flashes of light, meet the inventor of Rollerblades and Kong Pong, > listen to the mad scientists of industrial percussion, Savage Aural > Hotbed, and much more! > > Festivities will take place throughout the museum's exhibit galleries. > The event is included in the regular admission price. > > http://www.smm.org/makeday/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > NOTE: I don't work for Science Museum, or MAKE or anyone like that. > Just thought some of you other hacker out there would be interested in > this. > > ==>brian. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Jack Ungerleider jack at jacku.com http://www.jacku.com From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Mar 11 20:56:18 2009 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:56:18 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200903120156.n2C1uIW24544@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Three Cheap Computers Apple PowerMac G4: $50 ? 450 MHz PowerPC Processor ? 512 MB RAM ? 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Weekend Pickup: Come to Prior Lake. Sunday mornings in Maple Grove area possible. Seller Email address: andyzib at gmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From andyzib at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 13:07:24 2009 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:07:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad In-Reply-To: <200903120156.n2C1uIW24544@crusader.real-time.com> References: <200903120156.n2C1uIW24544@crusader.real-time.com> Message-ID: The Dell and Micron box have been spoken for (multiple times.) Will get back to interested parties in the order of response... :) Mac is still available. Apple PowerMac G4: $50 > ? 450 MHz PowerPC Processor > ? 512 MB RAM > ? DVD-ROM > ? Iomega Zip 100 > ? Firewire 400 > ? ATI Rage 128 Pro Graphics > ? ACARD 6880M RAID Card (ATA) > ? 2x 250 GB Hard Drives > ? OS X Tiger Install DVD > Runs well. I haven't tested the Zip drive but it works as far as I know. > Hardware RAID can be configured for RAID0 or RAID1. > -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090312/650bc85a/attachment.htm From admin at lctn.org Thu Mar 12 13:44:36 2009 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:44:36 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] ffmpeg site down Message-ID: <49B95814.9020205@lctn.org> Anyone know if the ffmpeg site is down for maintenance, or there is an outage somewhere? From cwgriesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 13:48:33 2009 From: cwgriesel at gmail.com (Curtis Griesel) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:48:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT - Make:Day at Science Museum In-Reply-To: <61860.66.41.79.55.1236820682.squirrel@mail.highspeedrails.com> References: <49B6B257.5030605@Goecke-Dolan.com> <61860.66.41.79.55.1236820682.squirrel@mail.highspeedrails.com> Message-ID: <7f246bf00903121148l73a25b89lbc7ff812ebaced95@mail.gmail.com> Sounds like a cool event. And I'm glad the concept of do-it-yourself technology is getting so popular that PBS is able to fund a "Make" TV Show. But I'm wondering if this "Make" thing is starting to get too big, and in so doing, is starting to lose its purpose. First, I'd love to make it to SMM on Saturday to see these "Make" experts display their stuff. But I can't really justify the $60 for 4 hours of entertainment that this would give my wife and 3 kids -- $47 for tickets, $10 for parking, and some change for snacks. "Make" is supposed to be about doing free stuff yourself. Something about paying $60 to watch someone else do it seems to be a little misguided. Then, there's the TV show. I'm glad it's popular. But if the point of Make is to do stuff yourself, what's the point of watching someone else do stuff from your couch? I wish there was more opportunities to get involved in real, community-based, Make stuff in the Twin Cities. That is what the original Make concept was based on. Leonardo's Basement is in that vein, but even they are a little expensive for a family on a budget. There is a Free Geek group trying to get started in the Twin Cities -- I wish they could find a good location so they could get off the ground. I wish the SMM Make exibit well, and hope there will be more. But I think I'll be spending my Saturday afternoon playing around with old toilet paper tubes, 2 x 4 blocks and some rubber bands with my 3 boys. That is real Make stuff and a lot of fun. And it won't cost us $60. I just wish there were more opportunities do that with others in the Twin Cities. Curtis On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Jack Ungerleider wrote: > I do work for the Science Museum, as a volunteer, and I'll encourage > people to go as well. If I didn't have a Linux meeting to run Saturday > morning I'd probably be working the event. > > If you go, have fun. > > Jack > >> Not exactly a Linux Topic, but I thought you other hackers would enjoy >> this. >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> MAKE: Day >> >> Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. >> at the Science Museum of Minnesota >> >> Celebrate the ingenuity and inventiveness in our community. Make: >> television, Geek Squad? and the Science Museum of Minnesota join forces >> to create a new event giving local engineers, artists, tinkerers, and >> inventors the opportunity to showcase their Do-It-Yourself creations to >> museum visitors. >> >> This family-friendly event features arts, electronics, musical >> performances, green technology, and crafting. Create glowing shadows >> using flashes of light, meet the inventor of Rollerblades and Kong Pong, >> listen to the mad scientists of industrial percussion, Savage Aural >> Hotbed, and much more! >> >> Festivities will take place throughout the museum's exhibit galleries. >> The event is included in the regular admission price. >> >> http://www.smm.org/makeday/ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> NOTE: I don't work for Science Museum, or MAKE or anyone like that. >> Just thought some of you other hacker out there would be interested in >> this. >> >> ==>brian. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > -- > Jack Ungerleider > jack at jacku.com > http://www.jacku.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From scott at dier.name Thu Mar 12 14:00:06 2009 From: scott at dier.name (Scott Dier) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:00:06 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT - Make:Day at Science Museum In-Reply-To: <7f246bf00903121148l73a25b89lbc7ff812ebaced95@mail.gmail.com> References: <49B6B257.5030605@Goecke-Dolan.com> <61860.66.41.79.55.1236820682.squirrel@mail.highspeedrails.com> <7f246bf00903121148l73a25b89lbc7ff812ebaced95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <51d20ae60903121200w3eaf2b4aydfe8853b816738d6@mail.gmail.com> If it weren't tied to that space they could hold it somewhere else like a convention center or hall on one of the college campuses, but even non-profit stuff I've gone to still charges about $10 a person in these kinds of spaces, and still has to get sponsorship to make it even. The SMM space is superior to a lecture hall or common space on campus, IMO, too. Space (and insurance) isn't cheap, sadly. On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Curtis Griesel wrote: > > First, I'd love to make it to SMM on Saturday to see these "Make" > experts display their stuff. But I can't really justify the $60 for 4 > hours of entertainment that this would give my wife and 3 kids -- $47 > for tickets, $10 for parking, and some change for snacks. "Make" is > supposed to be about doing free stuff yourself. Something about > paying $60 to watch someone else do it seems to be a little misguided. > -- Scott Dier -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090312/731863b4/attachment.htm From cwgriesel at gmail.com Thu Mar 12 14:10:49 2009 From: cwgriesel at gmail.com (Curtis Griesel) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:10:49 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT - Make:Day at Science Museum In-Reply-To: <51d20ae60903121200w3eaf2b4aydfe8853b816738d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <49B6B257.5030605@Goecke-Dolan.com> <61860.66.41.79.55.1236820682.squirrel@mail.highspeedrails.com> <7f246bf00903121148l73a25b89lbc7ff812ebaced95@mail.gmail.com> <51d20ae60903121200w3eaf2b4aydfe8853b816738d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7f246bf00903121210j6688e333n7277dcbd33e35c95@mail.gmail.com> I guess you're right. Special events of this scale have to charge a least $10 per head, plus sponsorship, just to cover space and liability costs. I guess what I'm aiming for is more neighborhood-based meetings, maybe held in homes, churches, or libraries. I'll be trying to organize some myself with some neighborhood kids. But once you start down that road, you start to think: Why do I have to re-invent this? Isn't there some kind of organization I can hook up with that has already done the leg work, that I can just join in and participate? Maybe in true Maker spirit, I just have to make the group myself. I just wonder if it could be done better if some broader organization existed for this type of activity. Curtis On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Scott Dier wrote: > If it weren't tied to that space they could hold it somewhere else like a > convention center or hall on one of the college campuses, but even > non-profit stuff I've gone to still charges about $10 a person in these > kinds of spaces, and still has to get sponsorship to make it even. ?The SMM > space is superior to a lecture hall or common space on campus, IMO, too. > Space (and insurance) isn't cheap, sadly. > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Curtis Griesel wrote: >> >> First, I'd love to make it to SMM on Saturday to see these "Make" >> experts display their stuff. ?But I can't really justify the $60 for 4 >> hours of entertainment that this would give my wife and 3 kids -- $47 >> for tickets, $10 for parking, and some change for snacks. ?"Make" is >> supposed to be about doing free stuff yourself. ?Something about >> paying $60 to watch someone else do it seems to be a little misguided. > > -- > Scott Dier > From blawrence at qwest.net Thu Mar 12 15:33:20 2009 From: blawrence at qwest.net (Brian Lawrence) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:33:20 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT - Make:Day at Science Museum In-Reply-To: <7f246bf00903121210j6688e333n7277dcbd33e35c95@mail.gmail.com> References: <49B6B257.5030605@Goecke-Dolan.com><61860.66.41.79.55.1236820682.squirrel@mail.highspeedrails.com><7f246bf00903121148l73a25b89lbc7ff812ebaced95@mail.gmail.com><51d20ae60903121200w3eaf2b4aydfe8853b816738d6@mail.gmail.com> <7f246bf00903121210j6688e333n7277dcbd33e35c95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Curtis, If you start something let me know, I have three boys who would be interested. I've tried groups like Lego League and 4-H but they are fairly expensive and don't have that "build it yourself" mission. I might have a location in Coon Rapids that the group could use on a regular basis. Brian -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Griesel Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:11 PM To: Scott Dier Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT - Make:Day at Science Museum I guess you're right. Special events of this scale have to charge a least $10 per head, plus sponsorship, just to cover space and liability costs. I guess what I'm aiming for is more neighborhood-based meetings, maybe held in homes, churches, or libraries. I'll be trying to organize some myself with some neighborhood kids. But once you start down that road, you start to think: Why do I have to re-invent this? Isn't there some kind of organization I can hook up with that has already done the leg work, that I can just join in and participate? Maybe in true Maker spirit, I just have to make the group myself. I just wonder if it could be done better if some broader organization existed for this type of activity. Curtis On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Scott Dier wrote: > If it weren't tied to that space they could hold it somewhere else > like a convention center or hall on one of the college campuses, but > even non-profit stuff I've gone to still charges about $10 a person in > these kinds of spaces, and still has to get sponsorship to make it > even. ?The SMM space is superior to a lecture hall or common space on campus, IMO, too. > Space (and insurance) isn't cheap, sadly. > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Curtis Griesel wrote: >> >> First, I'd love to make it to SMM on Saturday to see these "Make" >> experts display their stuff. ?But I can't really justify the $60 for >> 4 hours of entertainment that this would give my wife and 3 kids -- >> $47 for tickets, $10 for parking, and some change for snacks. ?"Make" >> is supposed to be about doing free stuff yourself. ?Something about >> paying $60 to watch someone else do it seems to be a little misguided. > > -- > Scott Dier > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclugl at whitleymott.net Fri Mar 13 00:15:48 2009 From: tclugl at whitleymott.net (greg wm) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:15:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT - Make:Day at Science Museum In-Reply-To: References: <49B6B257.5030605@Goecke-Dolan.com> <61860.66.41.79.55.1236820682.squirrel@mail.highspeedrails.com> <7f246bf00903121148l73a25b89lbc7ff812ebaced95@mail.gmail.com> <51d20ae60903121200w3eaf2b4aydfe8853b816738d6@mail.gmail.com> <7f246bf00903121210j6688e333n7277dcbd33e35c95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <429c5ec20903122215l49a5bbla56b3bc4dca796d0@mail.gmail.com> ask me re space at TCFM, the requested space use donation is perhaps more within your budget. i also have young'uns (13, 5, 3yo), a clamped budget, and a yearning to "find the village" where my kids can easily meet folk and broaden their view of life.. On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Brian Lawrence wrote: > Curtis, > > If you start something let me know, I have three boys who would be > interested. I've tried groups like Lego League and 4-H but they are fairly > expensive and don't have that "build it yourself" mission. I might have a > location in Coon Rapids that the group could use on a regular basis. > > Brian > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Griesel > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:11 PM > To: Scott Dier > Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT - Make:Day at Science Museum > > I guess you're right. Special events of this scale have to charge a least > $10 per head, plus sponsorship, just to cover space and liability costs. > > I guess what I'm aiming for is more neighborhood-based meetings, maybe held > in homes, churches, or libraries. I'll be trying to organize some myself > with some neighborhood kids. But once you start down that road, you start > to think: Why do I have to re-invent this? Isn't there some kind of > organization I can hook up with that has already done the leg work, that I > can just join in and participate? > > Maybe in true Maker spirit, I just have to make the group myself. I just > wonder if it could be done better if some broader organization existed for > this type of activity. > > Curtis > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Scott Dier wrote: > > If it weren't tied to that space they could hold it somewhere else > > like a convention center or hall on one of the college campuses, but > > even non-profit stuff I've gone to still charges about $10 a person in > > these kinds of spaces, and still has to get sponsorship to make it > > even. The SMM space is superior to a lecture hall or common space on > campus, IMO, too. > > Space (and insurance) isn't cheap, sadly. > > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Curtis Griesel > wrote: > >> > >> First, I'd love to make it to SMM on Saturday to see these "Make" > >> experts display their stuff. But I can't really justify the $60 for > >> 4 hours of entertainment that this would give my wife and 3 kids -- > >> $47 for tickets, $10 for parking, and some change for snacks. "Make" > >> is supposed to be about doing free stuff yourself. Something about > >> paying $60 to watch someone else do it seems to be a little misguided. > > > > -- > > Scott Dier > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090313/4b30dfc7/attachment-0001.htm From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Fri Mar 13 02:19:45 2009 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:19:45 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Make:club [Re: OT - Make:Day at Science Museum] In-Reply-To: References: <49B6B257.5030605@Goecke-Dolan.com><61860.66.41.79.55.1236820682.squirrel@mail.highspeedrails.com><7f246bf00903121148l73a25b89lbc7ff812ebaced95@mail.gmail.com><51d20ae60903121200w3eaf2b4aydfe8853b816738d6@mail.gmail.com> <7f246bf00903121210j6688e333n7277dcbd33e35c95@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49BA0911.4090201@Goecke-Dolan.com> If there are people interested, I can get space to hold meetings. Where I work (TIES) has a lot of meeting space that I can use. But TIES is more on the north side of town. If there is interest drop me an email and we can setup a planning meeting ( just to work out the basics.) For my two cents worth, I don't much like meeting with dues, although I understand that MAKE: projects do usually require you to buy some stuff ? That would have to be figured out. Also I really think kids should be involved as much as possible, have them make the "presentations" and show how the projects are built ? I think getting the bright young kinds the ability to talk about their ideas and learning how to communicate them to others is a great skill for them to have. It will enable them to take their ideas beyond the garage and into a business! Just my two cents worth. If you are interested drop me an email. ==>brian. Brian Lawrence wrote: > Curtis, > > If you start something let me know, I have three boys who would be > interested. I've tried groups like Lego League and 4-H but they are fairly > expensive and don't have that "build it yourself" mission. I might have a > location in Coon Rapids that the group could use on a regular basis. > > Brian > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Griesel > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:11 PM > To: Scott Dier > Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT - Make:Day at Science Museum > > I guess you're right. Special events of this scale have to charge a least > $10 per head, plus sponsorship, just to cover space and liability costs. > > I guess what I'm aiming for is more neighborhood-based meetings, maybe held > in homes, churches, or libraries. I'll be trying to organize some myself > with some neighborhood kids. But once you start down that road, you start > to think: Why do I have to re-invent this? Isn't there some kind of > organization I can hook up with that has already done the leg work, that I > can just join in and participate? > > Maybe in true Maker spirit, I just have to make the group myself. I just > wonder if it could be done better if some broader organization existed for > this type of activity. > > Curtis > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Scott Dier wrote: > >> If it weren't tied to that space they could hold it somewhere else >> like a convention center or hall on one of the college campuses, but >> even non-profit stuff I've gone to still charges about $10 a person in >> these kinds of spaces, and still has to get sponsorship to make it >> even. The SMM space is superior to a lecture hall or common space on >> > campus, IMO, too. > >> Space (and insurance) isn't cheap, sadly. >> >> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Curtis Griesel >> > wrote: > >>> First, I'd love to make it to SMM on Saturday to see these "Make" >>> experts display their stuff. But I can't really justify the $60 for >>> 4 hours of entertainment that this would give my wife and 3 kids -- >>> $47 for tickets, $10 for parking, and some change for snacks. "Make" >>> is supposed to be about doing free stuff yourself. Something about >>> paying $60 to watch someone else do it seems to be a little misguided. >>> >> -- >> Scott Dier >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tclug at lizakowski.com Fri Mar 13 10:15:44 2009 From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:15:44 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Make:club [Re: OT - Make:Day at Science Museum] In-Reply-To: <49BA0911.4090201@Goecke-Dolan.com> References: <49B6B257.5030605@Goecke-Dolan.com> <49BA0911.4090201@Goecke-Dolan.com> Message-ID: <200903131015.44688.tclug@lizakowski.com> > I work (TIES) has a lot of meeting space that I can use. But TIES is Do you have access to shop space at TIES? A lot of people don't have garages or basements available. > Also I really think kids should be involved as much as possible, have > them make the "presentations" and show how the projects are built ? I Would there be a way for single adults to do projects parallel to the family aspect? Jeremy On Friday 13 March 2009 2:19:45 am Brian Dolan-Goecke wrote: > If there are people interested, I can get space to hold meetings. Where > I work (TIES) has a lot of meeting space that I can use. But TIES is > more on the north side of town. > > If there is interest drop me an email and we can setup a planning > meeting ( just to work out the basics.) > > For my two cents worth, I don't much like meeting with dues, although I > understand that MAKE: projects do usually require you to buy some stuff > ? That would have to be figured out. > > Also I really think kids should be involved as much as possible, have > them make the "presentations" and show how the projects are built ? I > think getting the bright young kinds the ability to talk about their > ideas and learning how to communicate them to others is a great skill > for them to have. It will enable them to take their ideas beyond the > garage and into a business! > > Just my two cents worth. If you are interested drop me an email. > > ==>brian. > > Brian Lawrence wrote: > > Curtis, > > > > If you start something let me know, I have three boys who would be > > interested. I've tried groups like Lego League and 4-H but they are > > fairly expensive and don't have that "build it yourself" mission. I might > > have a location in Coon Rapids that the group could use on a regular > > basis. > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Griesel > > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:11 PM > > To: Scott Dier > > Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT - Make:Day at Science Museum > > > > I guess you're right. Special events of this scale have to charge a > > least $10 per head, plus sponsorship, just to cover space and liability > > costs. > > > > I guess what I'm aiming for is more neighborhood-based meetings, maybe > > held in homes, churches, or libraries. I'll be trying to organize some > > myself with some neighborhood kids. But once you start down that road, > > you start to think: Why do I have to re-invent this? Isn't there some > > kind of organization I can hook up with that has already done the leg > > work, that I can just join in and participate? > > > > Maybe in true Maker spirit, I just have to make the group myself. I just > > wonder if it could be done better if some broader organization existed > > for this type of activity. > > > > Curtis > > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Scott Dier wrote: > >> If it weren't tied to that space they could hold it somewhere else > >> like a convention center or hall on one of the college campuses, but > >> even non-profit stuff I've gone to still charges about $10 a person in > >> these kinds of spaces, and still has to get sponsorship to make it > >> even. The SMM space is superior to a lecture hall or common space on > > > > campus, IMO, too. > > > >> Space (and insurance) isn't cheap, sadly. > >> > >> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Curtis Griesel > > > > wrote: > >>> First, I'd love to make it to SMM on Saturday to see these "Make" > >>> experts display their stuff. But I can't really justify the $60 for > >>> 4 hours of entertainment that this would give my wife and 3 kids -- > >>> $47 for tickets, $10 for parking, and some change for snacks. "Make" > >>> is supposed to be about doing free stuff yourself. Something about > >>> paying $60 to watch someone else do it seems to be a little misguided. > >> > >> -- > >> Scott Dier > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If any of you have ever seen the TV show Make TV you may have seen my ugly mug in the opening of the show holding a rocket and saying "I make rockets". Well this Saturday, Make magazine/TV is hosting make day at the Science Museum in St. Paul and Tripoli MN will be there promoting our group. Check out http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/03/tripoli_minnesota_at_make_day.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890 for the details. We are hoping to pick up a few members for both TRA and Tripoli MN alike. The event starts at 10am so if you?re in town stop by and check it out. Dave Leininger Prefect Tripoli MN, TAP ?--- Wayne Johnson,???????????? | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N.????????? | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003???????????? | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis ________________________________ From: Brian Lawrence To: Curtis Griesel Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:33:20 PM Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT - Make:Day at Science Museum Curtis, If you start something let me know, I have three boys who would be interested. I've tried groups like Lego League and 4-H but they are fairly expensive and don't have that "build it yourself" mission. I might have a location in Coon Rapids that the group could use on a regular basis. Brian -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Griesel Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 2:11 PM To: Scott Dier Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT - Make:Day at Science Museum I guess you're right.? Special events of this scale have to charge a least $10 per head, plus sponsorship, just to cover space and liability costs. I guess what I'm aiming for is more neighborhood-based meetings, maybe held in homes, churches, or libraries.? I'll be trying to organize some myself with some neighborhood kids.? But once you start down that road, you start to think: Why do I have to re-invent this?? Isn't there some kind of organization I can hook up with that has already done the leg work, that I can just join in and participate? Maybe in true Maker spirit, I just have to make the group myself.? I just wonder if it could be done better if some broader organization existed for this type of activity. Curtis On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Scott Dier wrote: > If it weren't tied to that space they could hold it somewhere else > like a convention center or hall on one of the college campuses, but > even non-profit stuff I've gone to still charges about $10 a person in > these kinds of spaces, and still has to get sponsorship to make it > even. ?The SMM space is superior to a lecture hall or common space on campus, IMO, too. > Space (and insurance) isn't cheap, sadly. > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Curtis Griesel wrote: >> >> First, I'd love to make it to SMM on Saturday to see these "Make" >> experts display their stuff. ?But I can't really justify the $60 for >> 4 hours of entertainment that this would give my wife and 3 kids -- >> $47 for tickets, $10 for parking, and some change for snacks. ?"Make" >> is supposed to be about doing free stuff yourself. ?Something about >> paying $60 to watch someone else do it seems to be a little misguided. > > -- > Scott Dier > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ronald L Johnson From bob at grunners.com Fri Mar 13 22:38:28 2009 From: bob at grunners.com (Bob De Mars) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:38:28 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Im new to the lug :D In-Reply-To: <80370dd20903132016j64a2ab7ck16442f0c9681bf45@mail.gmail.com> References: <80370dd20903132016j64a2ab7ck16442f0c9681bf45@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B70245A2FD@lcldc01.LCL.local> Good Job with the Slackware! Bob De Mars T: 651 925 1510 bob at grunners.com Cell: 612 850 6940 www.grunners.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ron Johnson Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:17 PM To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: [tclug-list] Im new to the lug :D Just want to say hi to everyone :D Im Ron. I run Slackware for its assemble from parts approach and awesome documentation. and linux mint for it's out of the box ready to go approach with all the polish. So please tell me a little about your self too. -- "There are to many variables to draw conclusions or make grand statements about the universe, we are to ignorant a species to make grand claims". Ronald L Johnson _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kris.browne at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 22:39:04 2009 From: kris.browne at gmail.com (Kristopher Browne) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:39:04 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Im new to the lug :D In-Reply-To: <80370dd20903132016j64a2ab7ck16442f0c9681bf45@mail.gmail.com> References: <80370dd20903132016j64a2ab7ck16442f0c9681bf45@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Welcome! I too am new to the LUG, but I am a LONG time Slackware devotee... I enjoy that it hasn't really changed it's installer in over 10 years. -- Kristopher Browne kris dot browne at gmail dot com - - Liar, n.: A lawyer with a roving commission. -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" On Mar 13, 2009, at 22:16:32, Ron Johnson wrote: > Just want to say hi to everyone :D > Im Ron. I run Slackware for its assemble from parts approach and > awesome documentation. and linux mint for it's out of the box ready to > go approach with all the polish. > > So please tell me a little about your self too. > > -- > "There are to many variables to draw conclusions or make grand > statements about the universe, we are to ignorant a species to make > grand claims". > Ronald L Johnson > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kelly >Fri Mar 13 2009 10:38:28 PM CDT from Bob De Mars to "Ron Johnson" ><42octopus at gmail.com>, >Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Im new to the lug :D > >Good Job with the Slackware! > > >Bob De Mars >T: 651 925 1510 bob at grunners.com >Cell: 612 850 6940 www.grunners.com >-----Original Message----- >From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org >[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ron Johnson >Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 10:17 PM >To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >Subject: [tclug-list] Im new to the lug :D > >Just want to say hi to everyone :D >Im Ron. I run Slackware for its assemble from parts approach and >awesome documentation. and linux mint for it's out of the box ready to >go approach with all the polish. > >So please tell me a little about your self too. > >-- >"There are to many variables to draw conclusions or make grand >statements about the universe, we are to ignorant a species to make >grand claims". >Ronald L Johnson > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090313/6e47183c/attachment.htm From stuporglue at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 15:07:26 2009 From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:07:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Efficient photo sorter? Message-ID: Does anyone have a recomendation of a good photo sorter for Linux? I'm imagining something that shows me one photo at a time, lets me assign the photo to an folder, moves the photo to that folder, then shows me the next photo. My grandpa left me a huge stack of mostly unorganized genealogy documents. I scanned everything and ended up with 1200 images that I now need to sort out; I'm hoping there's some good software to help me speed through the tedium :-). Thank you, -- Michael Moore ------------------------- Share your families' genealogy and family history books. It's easy and free : http://bookscanned.com From scott at dier.name Sat Mar 14 15:28:17 2009 From: scott at dier.name (Scott Dier) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:28:17 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Efficient photo sorter? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51d20ae60903141328w3ca4f38tf6abcf222ac30ed9@mail.gmail.com> F-spot might be helpful, however I think it's more tag oriented than folder oriented. Picasa also exists for linux, but it is not free software. On 3/14/09, Michael Moore wrote: > Does anyone have a recomendation of a good photo sorter for Linux? I'm > imagining something that shows me one photo at a time, lets me assign > the photo to an folder, moves the photo to that folder, then shows me > the next photo. > > My grandpa left me a huge stack of mostly unorganized genealogy > documents. I scanned everything and ended up with 1200 images that I > now need to sort out; I'm hoping there's some good software to help me > speed through the tedium :-). > > Thank you, > -- > Michael Moore > ------------------------- > Share your families' genealogy and family history books. It's easy and > free : http://bookscanned.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Sent from my mobile device Scott Dier From tclugl at whitleymott.net Sat Mar 14 16:11:00 2009 From: tclugl at whitleymott.net (greg wm) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:11:00 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Efficient photo sorter? In-Reply-To: <51d20ae60903141328w3ca4f38tf6abcf222ac30ed9@mail.gmail.com> References: <51d20ae60903141328w3ca4f38tf6abcf222ac30ed9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <429c5ec20903141411y6b490aco115125780a7c8b97@mail.gmail.com> gthumb is my fav so far, i've tried gwenview, kuickshow, imgseek, kphotoalbum, digikam, gqview, f-spot, ristretto, mirage, eog, feh, some of them are sort of ok, most are worse than disappointing. names i wrote down thinking i might try them: kview, lphoto, showimg, xnview, imagine, futuriximager, ksquirrel, Photo Organizer from Balint Kis and Solomon Peachy, but i got bored and just stuck with gthumb. -gregwm On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Scott Dier wrote: > F-spot might be helpful, however I think it's more tag oriented than > folder oriented. Picasa also exists for linux, but it is not free > software. > > On 3/14/09, Michael Moore wrote: > > Does anyone have a recomendation of a good photo sorter for Linux? I'm > > imagining something that shows me one photo at a time, lets me assign > > the photo to an folder, moves the photo to that folder, then shows me > > the next photo. > > > > My grandpa left me a huge stack of mostly unorganized genealogy > > documents. I scanned everything and ended up with 1200 images that I > > now need to sort out; I'm hoping there's some good software to help me > > speed through the tedium :-). > > > > Thank you, > > -- > > Michael Moore > > ------------------------- > > Share your families' genealogy and family history books. It's easy and > > free : http://bookscanned.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > Scott Dier > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090314/5a652ae8/attachment.htm From tclug at lizakowski.com Sun Mar 15 10:42:03 2009 From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:42:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Efficient photo sorter? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200903151042.03969.tclug@lizakowski.com> DigiKam is pretty decent for organizing photos. It uses tags and folders (and you could also tag them first, then move photos with similar tags into folders). I'm using it to organize 20k photos. It competes with Adobe Lightroom. As far as just viewing photos, kuickshow is awesome. And it's sad the Kubuntu no longer prefers it as an image viewer. It loads images fast, and has nice keyboard shortcuts so you can plow through images. PgUp/Dn goes to next image, +/- zooms, the number keypad rotates, B/C adjust brightness or contrast (great for categorizing dark images), etc. And each of these operations is fast. > My grandpa left me a huge stack of mostly unorganized genealogy > documents. I scanned everything and ended up with 1200 images that I I'm faced with a similar task: thousands of old photos that need to be scanned before they go yellow. What's the best way? So far, it looks like the best option is using an all-in-one printer that can scan to a USB thumbdrive or SD card. You just swap the photos on the glass, press the button, and repeat. Not only does this seem faster, it also allows non-computer-savvy people to be enlisted to help. The other option, for when you really have too many photos to scan, is the 'use your digital camera' approach. A photo of a photo results in a loss of image quality, depending on how you set up a tripod and lighting, but it's about 50 times faster than some scanning methods (and really makes me wonder why scanners don't have 10MP sensors like cameras). But I'm interested in better methods too. Jeremy On Saturday 14 March 2009 3:07:26 pm Michael Moore wrote: > Does anyone have a recomendation of a good photo sorter for Linux? I'm > imagining something that shows me one photo at a time, lets me assign > the photo to an folder, moves the photo to that folder, then shows me > the next photo. > > My grandpa left me a huge stack of mostly unorganized genealogy > documents. I scanned everything and ended up with 1200 images that I > now need to sort out; I'm hoping there's some good software to help me > speed through the tedium :-). > > Thank you, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090315/5dde7f48/attachment.htm From srcfoo at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 11:57:58 2009 From: srcfoo at gmail.com (Eric Peterson) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:57:58 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] ffmpeg site down In-Reply-To: <49B95814.9020205@lctn.org> References: <49B95814.9020205@lctn.org> Message-ID: <579c6fd30903160957q33568a9br380029e4bdca1aaf@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Raymond Norton wrote: > Anyone know if the ffmpeg site is down for maintenance, or there is an > outage somewhere? Not sure if this would have helped in this situation, but I thought I'd send it to the group anyway. http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ From jus at krytosvirus.com Mon Mar 16 12:30:14 2009 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:30:14 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] ffmpeg site down In-Reply-To: <579c6fd30903160957q33568a9br380029e4bdca1aaf@mail.gmail.com> References: <49B95814.9020205@lctn.org> <579c6fd30903160957q33568a9br380029e4bdca1aaf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Or if you want to be a snob http://lmgtfy.com/?q=is+this+down+for+everyone+or+just+me%3F -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Eric Peterson Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:58 AM To: Raymond Norton Cc: TCLUG List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] ffmpeg site down On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Raymond Norton wrote: > Anyone know if the ffmpeg site is down for maintenance, or there is an > outage somewhere? Not sure if this would have helped in this situation, but I thought I'd send it to the group anyway. http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 12:51:18 2009 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:51:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] ffmpeg site down In-Reply-To: References: <49B95814.9020205@lctn.org> <579c6fd30903160957q33568a9br380029e4bdca1aaf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, Justin Krejci wrote: > Or if you want to be a snob > > http://lmgtfy.com/?q=is+this+down+for+everyone+or+just+me%3F That's a good RTFM kinda thing. I just figured out that you can add a URL after the slash and it will check it: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ffmpeg.org (with or without the http:// and other junk.) But what do I do if downforeveryoneorjustme.com seems to be down, perhaps just for me? ;-) I guess we don't know what they are doing, but if they say a site is not down, that probably means it isn't down for everyone. Mike From mn-linux.org at cyberians.net Mon Mar 16 13:48:56 2009 From: mn-linux.org at cyberians.net (mn-linux.org at cyberians.net) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:48:56 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Help with MythDora 10.21 Message-ID: <5014a9d4ddd5809ecc39a274afbb7611@cyberians.com> This may be a longshot, but here goes... I would *really* like to toss out my Tivo box, and replace it with MythTV - but I cannot seen to get an installation to work, and I am now trying MythDora 10.21. Is there anyone else interested in doing this? Or helping me get mine going? I honestly don't care what flavor it is (MythDora, MythBuntu, MythKnopp, etc) or a raw install of OS and MythTV. I chose MythDora because I wanted a fun way of learning more about Linux, while making it functional (I have been messing with Fedora for about a year now). I moved here about 2 years ago, so my whole social network of friends I would tap to hash this out over a few cold ones is back in Georgia, and all of my coworkers here know little beyond the Microsoft product line.... So, there you have it: I need a linux mentor who can help me toward a success in this. From markdeb.browne at comcast.net Mon Mar 16 14:52:14 2009 From: markdeb.browne at comcast.net (markdeb.browne at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 19:52:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [tclug-list] ffmpeg site down In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1886955534.1575981237233134568.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> All, While we are delving into the "useful support website" thingies, you might want to add this to your basket of useful tools: http://lmgtfy.com/ On first contact this site made me think of several people that I know ... with a wicked smile. Mark Browne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Miller" To: "Justin Krejci" Cc: "TCLUG List" Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:51:18 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [tclug-list] ffmpeg site down On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, Justin Krejci wrote: > Or if you want to be a snob > > http://lmgtfy.com/?q=is+this+down+for+everyone+or+just+me%3F That's a good RTFM kinda thing. I just figured out that you can add a URL after the slash and it will check it: http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ffmpeg.org (with or without the http:// and other junk.) But what do I do if downforeveryoneorjustme.com seems to be down, perhaps just for me? ;-) I guess we don't know what they are doing, but if they say a site is not down, that probably means it isn't down for everyone. Mike _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090316/e143fd22/attachment.htm From scott at dier.name Mon Mar 16 15:20:16 2009 From: scott at dier.name (Scott Dier) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:20:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] ffmpeg site down In-Reply-To: <1886955534.1575981237233134568.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1886955534.1575981237233134568.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4140165B-F5D2-4DC8-AB21-DA2F87DC1255@dier.name> http://live.lmgtfy.com/ is also awesome. On Mar 16, 2009, at 2:52 PM, markdeb.browne at comcast.net wrote: > All, > > While we are delving into the "useful support website" thingies, you > might want to add this to your basket of useful tools: > > http://lmgtfy.com/ > > On first contact this site made me think of several people that I > know ... with a wicked smile. > > Mark Browne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Miller" > To: "Justin Krejci" > Cc: "TCLUG List" > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:51:18 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] ffmpeg site down > > On Mon, 16 Mar 2009, Justin Krejci wrote: > > > Or if you want to be a snob > > > > http://lmgtfy.com/?q=is+this+down+for+everyone+or+just+me%3F > > That's a good RTFM kinda thing. I just figured out that you can add > a URL > after the slash and it will check it: > > http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ffmpeg.org > > (with or without the http:// and other junk.) > > But what do I do if downforeveryoneorjustme.com seems to be down, > perhaps > just for me? ;-) > > I guess we don't know what they are doing, but if they say a site is > not > down, that probably means it isn't down for everyone. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- Scott Dier From john.meier at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 18:59:02 2009 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 18:59:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Help with MythDora 10.21 In-Reply-To: <5014a9d4ddd5809ecc39a274afbb7611@cyberians.com> References: <5014a9d4ddd5809ecc39a274afbb7611@cyberians.com> Message-ID: <65293fcc0903161659n71c42cf5t9394897d429039d6@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 1:48 PM, wrote: > This may be a longshot, but here goes... > > I would *really* like to toss out my Tivo box, and replace it with MythTV - > but I cannot seen to get an installation to work, and I am now trying > MythDora 10.21. > > Is there anyone else interested in doing this? Or helping me get mine > going? I've done a few myth installs - at what point are you having problems? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090316/f9be1036/attachment.htm From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed Mar 18 13:28:11 2009 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:28:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200903181828.n2IISBp04126@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: Want to Buy Subject: Half rack (or less) - local I have a client downsizing office space and the half rack they have is a little overkill for their 1U server and the UPS keeping it online. Anybody know somewhere locally they can get a half rack or less? Or does anybody have one they want to part with? Seller Email address: dniesen at gmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From jpschewe at mtu.net Wed Mar 18 18:22:48 2009 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 18:22:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Problems with PAM (I think) Message-ID: <49C18248.2030605@mtu.net> I have a set of systems using Kerberos+LDAP for authentication. They are all running OpenSuse 11.0, with one at 11.1. One of the 11.0 systems is allowing users to su to root without a password. If I su and type in a password (even the right one), I get a failure. If I just hit return for the password, then I'm root. I checked and the password is set for root. Root is not in kerberos nor LDAP. Any ideas? My other systems are working correctly. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From marc at e-skinner.net Wed Mar 18 19:31:30 2009 From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 19:31:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Problems with PAM (I think) In-Reply-To: <49C18248.2030605@mtu.net> References: <49C18248.2030605@mtu.net> Message-ID: <49C19262.4070306@e-skinner.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 do you get the same response when you SSH into that box as root? if not, it might be a SUDOers issue. if you do, then i would check and diff the pam config files against a working server. also, check nsswitch.conf - make sure it is configured just like your other servers. Jon Schewe wrote: > I have a set of systems using Kerberos+LDAP for authentication. They are > all running OpenSuse 11.0, with one at 11.1. One of the 11.0 systems is > allowing users to su to root without a password. If I su and type in a > password (even the right one), I get a failure. If I just hit return for > the password, then I'm root. I checked and the password is set for root. > Root is not in kerberos nor LDAP. Any ideas? My other systems are > working correctly. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknBkmIACgkQvE9HrEfeE4fyHACgzSaSDv3+S2FlgcDorGLBh7lf QU0AoKscj1tZhGJ/t24TdFPqko0dhbXS =CMDP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jpschewe at mtu.net Wed Mar 18 20:04:21 2009 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:04:21 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Problems with PAM (I think) In-Reply-To: <49C19262.4070306@e-skinner.net> References: <49C18248.2030605@mtu.net> <49C19262.4070306@e-skinner.net> Message-ID: <49C19A15.3040901@mtu.net> I don't allow ssh as root unless you have a key, so that check doesn't help. I diffed the files and they are the same. It's su, not sudo, so it's not the sudoers file. I kept working over the files tonight and it magically started working again. I just modified common-account and it started working. I switched the file back and it still worked. I rebooted the machine and it still worked, so I'm really confused as to what was going on. Marc Skinner wrote: > do you get the same response when you SSH into that box as root? if > not, it might be a SUDOers issue. if you do, then i would check and > diff the pam config files against a working server. also, check > nsswitch.conf - make sure it is configured just like your other servers. > > > Jon Schewe wrote: > > I have a set of systems using Kerberos+LDAP for authentication. They are > > all running OpenSuse 11.0, with one at 11.1. One of the 11.0 systems is > > allowing users to su to root without a password. If I su and type in a > > password (even the right one), I get a failure. If I just hit return for > > the password, then I'm root. I checked and the password is set for root. > > Root is not in kerberos nor LDAP. Any ideas? My other systems are > > working correctly. > > -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From 42octopus at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 22:54:25 2009 From: 42octopus at gmail.com (Ron Johnson) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:54:25 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] any one watching the we're linux videos at the linux foundation ???? Message-ID: <80370dd20903182054m37f94d68xa659136554e1e51c@mail.gmail.com> Im cracking up hahahhaha hahahahha hahahah -- "There are to many variables to draw conclusions or make grand statements about the universe, we are to ignorant a species to make grand claims". Ronald L Johnson From chrome at real-time.com Thu Mar 19 08:04:40 2009 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 08:04:40 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] www.mn-linux.org site needs maintenance Message-ID: <20090319080440.S745@real-time.com> Hi all! Some of you might remember me from the LUG, back in the bad old days when no one knew what Linux was. I'm still around, tho I haven't been on the TCLUG list for a few years. I'm still working for RTE tho; and we recently decommissioned our ancient MySQL server. Turns out this broke the www.mn-linux.org website. I hacked out some of the sections of PHP that made the SQL calls, so the site is usable; but it still needs to be fixed/updated. Who was last updating the TCLUG website, and are they still around to work on it? Would someone else like to take it over, if the old person isn't available? -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From clay at fandre.com Thu Mar 19 09:55:25 2009 From: clay at fandre.com (Clay Fandre) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:55:25 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] www.mn-linux.org site needs maintenance In-Reply-To: <20090319080440.S745@real-time.com> References: <20090319080440.S745@real-time.com> Message-ID: Hmmm, I used to maintain it long long ago in a galaxy far far away. Not sure if anyone ever took over. (Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?) I also haven't been involved much and just started going through the TCLUG emails yesterday. Too funny. If nobody else has access I can see if my access still works. Bob/Nate set me up with a OpenVPN cert to access crusader but haven't used it in years. Shoot me an email and let me know what the best way is to get to it. Clay clay at fandre dot com On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > Hi all! > Some of you might remember me from the LUG, back in the bad old days when no > one knew what Linux was. I'm still around, tho I haven't been on the TCLUG > list for a few years. > > I'm still working for RTE tho; and we recently decommissioned our ancient > MySQL server. Turns out this broke the www.mn-linux.org website. I hacked > out some of the sections of PHP that made the SQL calls, so the site is > usable; but it still needs to be fixed/updated. > > Who was last updating the TCLUG website, and are they still around to work > on it? Would someone else like to take it over, if the old person isn't > available? > > -- > Carl Soderstrom > Systems Administrator > Real-Time Enterprises > www.real-time.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jeremy at lizakowski.com Thu Mar 19 11:50:55 2009 From: jeremy at lizakowski.com (jeremy at lizakowski.com) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:50:55 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] www.mn-linux.org site needs maintenance Message-ID: <808050423-1237481384-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-370765387-@bxe1136.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I have the credentials for the admin interface, and I put up announcements for meetings, but I don't currently have access to the server. I believe bob and clay would have access. I did talk to bob last year about setting up a new server and it sounded like they would be willing to do the hosting for a new site as well (they generously host the current site). Last year, eric, paul, and I drew up plans for a new site, but the ambitions exceeded the available time. If the site is down, this might be the time to make thw upgrade. I would suggest the simplest solution that gets things going again. A week or two ago I heard from a couple volunteers to work on a new website. Is anyone else interested in getting together to work on a new site? We should meet soon. Jeremy ------Original Message------ From: Clay Fandre Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org To: Tclug Subject: Re: [tclug-list] www.mn-linux.org site needs maintenance Sent: Mar 19, 2009 9:55 AM Hmmm, I used to maintain it long long ago in a galaxy far far away. Not sure if anyone ever took over. (Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?) I also haven't been involved much and just started going through the TCLUG emails yesterday. Too funny. If nobody else has access I can see if my access still works. Bob/Nate set me up with a OpenVPN cert to access crusader but haven't used it in years. Shoot me an email and let me know what the best way is to get to it. Clay clay at fandre dot com On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > Hi all! > Some of you might remember me from the LUG, back in the bad old days when no > one knew what Linux was. I'm still around, tho I haven't been on the TCLUG > list for a few years. > > I'm still working for RTE tho; and we recently decommissioned our ancient > MySQL server. Turns out this broke the www.mn-linux.org website. I hacked > out some of the sections of PHP that made the SQL calls, so the site is > usable; but it still needs to be fixed/updated. > > Who was last updating the TCLUG website, and are they still around to work > on it? Would someone else like to take it over, if the old person isn't > available? > > -- > Carl Soderstrom > Systems Administrator > Real-Time Enterprises > www.real-time.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From chrome at real-time.com Thu Mar 19 12:35:55 2009 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:35:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] www.mn-linux.org site needs maintenance In-Reply-To: <808050423-1237481384-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-370765387-@bxe1136.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>; from jeremy@lizakowski.com on Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 04:50:55PM +0000 References: <808050423-1237481384-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-370765387-@bxe1136.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <20090319123555.W745@real-time.com> On a completely unrelated note, I just realized I started going to TCLUG meetings almost exactly 10 years ago. Clay led the first one I ever went to. I felt like a n00b there, because there were people who'd beeing using linux since the days it fit onto a single 5.25" floppy. ;) Ah, nostalgia. -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From tompoe at fngi.net Thu Mar 19 15:29:08 2009 From: tompoe at fngi.net (Tom Poe) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:29:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] install dvd fc10 question Message-ID: <49C2AB14.5050900@fngi.net> I got an fc10 dvd from Cheapbytes. I insert it, shut down computer, start computer and screen comes up and asks if I want to install. I click on selection and it brings up splash screen. After five minutes, I can only unplug computer. So, why is it frozen? How long should I wait, before next screen comes up? Any help appreciated. Tom From marc at e-skinner.net Thu Mar 19 16:08:53 2009 From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:08:53 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] install dvd fc10 question In-Reply-To: <49C2AB14.5050900@fngi.net> References: <49C2AB14.5050900@fngi.net> Message-ID: <49C2B465.1020102@e-skinner.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 what type of computer? laptop/desktop? recent or old hardware. home built or name brand. i'm wondering if there is something the installer is hanging up on. i had an older laptop that i had to boot with the noacpi=off option on the linux boot line. also might want to try noapm. is your bios up to date? is your memory good. i also had an installer freeze during install when i had a stick of bad memory. might want to run a mem386 iso and test all your memory. just a couple of ideas. Tom Poe wrote: > I got an fc10 dvd from Cheapbytes. I insert it, shut down computer, > start computer and screen comes up and asks if I want to install. I > click on selection and it brings up splash screen. After five minutes, > I can only unplug computer. So, why is it frozen? How long should I > wait, before next screen comes up? Any help appreciated. > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknCtGAACgkQvE9HrEfeE4fNJACg4/k2HjCbCfehsyDFX06Csyj2 MnIAn1J1HN7FPN7EfiJnX7IRBp6t0l6t =RRJ7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From adam at whee.org Thu Mar 19 17:16:10 2009 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:16:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] www.mn-linux.org site needs maintenance In-Reply-To: <20090319123555.W745@real-time.com> References: <808050423-1237481384-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-370765387-@bxe1136.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <20090319123555.W745@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > On a completely unrelated note, I just realized I started going to TCLUG > meetings almost exactly 10 years ago. Clay led the first one I ever went to. > I felt like a n00b there, because there were people who'd beeing using linux > since the days it fit onto a single 5.25" floppy. ;) Now Carl, you're not going to start into that whole "back in my day we had to rub two sticks together to make 1's" story again right? We're like Statler and Waldorf from the muppets... From marc at e-skinner.net Thu Mar 19 19:52:18 2009 From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:52:18 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] install dvd fc10 question In-Reply-To: <49C2C263.4010001@fngi.net> References: <49C2AB14.5050900@fngi.net> <49C2B465.1020102@e-skinner.net> <49C2C263.4010001@fngi.net> Message-ID: <49C2E8C2.3010209@e-skinner.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Tom Poe wrote: > Marc Skinner wrote: > what type of computer? laptop/desktop? recent or old hardware. home > built or name brand. > > i'm wondering if there is something the installer is hanging up on. > > i had an older laptop that i had to boot with the noacpi=off option on > the linux boot line. also might want to try noapm. > > is your bios up to date? is your memory good. i also had an installer > freeze during install when i had a stick of bad memory. might want to > run a mem386 iso and test all your memory. > > just a couple of ideas. > > > > > > > Tom Poe wrote: > >>>> I got an fc10 dvd from Cheapbytes. I insert it, shut down computer, >>>> start computer and screen comes up and asks if I want to install. I >>>> click on selection and it brings up splash screen. After five >>>> minutes, I can only unplug computer. So, why is it frozen? How long >>>> should I wait, before next screen comes up? Any help appreciated. >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> > > > > Marc: Thanks. I have a Dell desktop, Optiplex GX260, running FC9. > I'll try the DVD on another computer, and see if it happens again. > Wasn't sure whether the fc10 dvd took a long time at the beginning (like > 15 minutes) to gather info on system. > Tom It shouldn't take that long. I found this on the internet: http://fcp.surfsite.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=64684&forum=12 looks like the default intel video drivers in F10 are a bit flaky. that might explain the issue. have you tried installing in text mode? "linux text" i would also grab the latest firmware/bios updates from Dells site. they can sometimes work wonders. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknC6MEACgkQvE9HrEfeE4cxPACgn6iXsXZ+2qqQAyiS7UJE/Uwh lsYAoO0Hu/aCTLYDTLcIOXRn3sxNS4Bd =I+Xz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tompoe at fngi.net Thu Mar 19 20:58:31 2009 From: tompoe at fngi.net (Tom Poe) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:58:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] need fc10 dvd Message-ID: <49C2F847.7010105@fngi.net> Anyone have an FC10 dvd I can use? Thanks, Tom From bob at grunners.com Fri Mar 20 14:10:19 2009 From: bob at grunners.com (Bob De Mars) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:10:19 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Alternative to HTdig Message-ID: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B702492F01@lcldc01.LCL.local> I have been using HTdig for awhile now here at work on a http server for internal use. I maintain a large archive with our companies / vendors / customers contracts. I had setup HTdig to search the company's contracts, but I never had it working that great. The archived contracts are mostly in .doc .pdf .xls .rtf .html formats. I had been using a few external convertors with HTdig to search these documents, but I was never happy with the results. As of this morning my current HTdig setup seems to have died. I am wondering if it is worth it to take the time to get the current Htdig working again, or should I use that time to setup something else. I am not sure about HTdig. The project hasn't had an update since 2004, so I am not sure if it is dead or not. Can anyone recommend an open source search program that can search the above mentioned formats? Thanks, ? Bob De Mars I.T. Manager T: 651 925 1510 bob at grunners.com Cell: 612 850 6940 www.grunners.com From cschumann at twp-llc.com Fri Mar 20 14:52:46 2009 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:52:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] need fc10 dvd In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49C3F40E.1070909@twp-llc.com> > Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:58:31 -0500 > From: Tom Poe > Anyone have an FC10 dvd I can use? > Thanks, Tom I have one Tom, and am happy to make more, although F10 is working less well than F9 did for me. I'm eagerly awaiting F11, but I see the beta date has been pushed to March 31. I'm near Lake Phalen. Contact me off list to arrange delivery. Chris From chrome at real-time.com Fri Mar 20 16:36:54 2009 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:36:54 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] www.mn-linux.org site needs maintenance In-Reply-To: ; from adam@whee.org on Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 05:16:10PM -0500 References: <808050423-1237481384-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-370765387-@bxe1136.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <20090319123555.W745@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20090320163654.A745@real-time.com> On 03/19 05:16 , Adam Maloney wrote: > On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > On a completely unrelated note, I just realized I started going to TCLUG > > meetings almost exactly 10 years ago. Clay led the first one I ever went to. > > > I felt like a n00b there, because there were people who'd beeing using linux > > since the days it fit onto a single 5.25" floppy. ;) > > Now Carl, you're not going to start into that whole "back in my day we had > to rub two sticks together to make 1's" story again right? > > We're like Statler and Waldorf from the muppets... Yeah, but not as funny. The farthest back I go with computer technology is that I can say I used a teletype machine (Decwriter III) once or twice. So I still feel like a n00b at all this. ;) -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From j at packetgod.com Fri Mar 20 22:06:04 2009 From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:06:04 -0400 Subject: [tclug-list] www.mn-linux.org site needs maintenance In-Reply-To: References: <808050423-1237481384-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-370765387-@bxe1136.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <20090319123555.W745@real-time.com> Message-ID: <38aa5b6a0903202006h3f4d0e39s358bfb1a18d538a2@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Adam Maloney wrote: > On Thu, 19 Mar 2009, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > Now Carl, you're not going to start into that whole "back in my day we had > to rub two sticks together to make 1's" story again right? > > You guys had sticks? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090320/8e5762e9/attachment.htm From jima at beer.tclug.org Sat Mar 21 12:13:44 2009 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 12:13:44 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] modem driver In-Reply-To: <7c055dc50903202038o6b290930w718a1d87c860f81e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c055dc50903202038o6b290930w718a1d87c860f81e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49C52048.1040303@beer.tclug.org> Chris G. wrote: > intel 537 epu modem drivers. it appears as though intel no longer > offers drivers for their modems, or maybe just this one. this includes > windows and linux. however, every link i find brings me to their > website to learn, once again, they don't offer support or drivers. > anyone have a modem i can get with a driver? funny thing is it isn't > even for me it is for my mom who wants a nice slow internet connection > rather than the quest basic for $10 a month... i have spent hours on > this. i am in crystal so hopefully it will be someone on the north side > of town. thanks in advance. How about an external (i.e., serial) modem? I've got a few that someone in TCLUG (I forget who off-hand) gave me and I haven't used. Getting it to you might be a minor issue, but that's hardly insurmountable. Jima From cncole at earthlink.net Sat Mar 21 13:22:01 2009 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:22:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] modem driver In-Reply-To: <7c055dc50903202038o6b290930w718a1d87c860f81e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Chances are that another driver will work fine. OR, I have found drivers at specialty driver sites when I could not get something from a manufacturer's site. The Intel thing is probably a real modem and not a "winmodem" that depends on screwy software. If so, most any standard modem driver will work. Try a few before giving up and using an external modem. I've been through this before, but not for several years so I don't have any better details now. 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URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090321/130ba438/attachment.htm From 42octopus at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 08:20:57 2009 From: 42octopus at gmail.com (Ron Johnson) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 08:20:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] studio 64 vs ubuntu studio Message-ID: <80370dd20903220620s7b04eeeet462e02623b08fc24@mail.gmail.com> Well I have a good friend who is new to linux. I installed mint 5 on his computer everything works well. I want to set up a studio because we allready do some recording with our band. Any info about hardware interfaces that are linux friendly or ease of use or witch system has more/better documentation ? I am aware of the realtime kernel patch but I am going to install a new tailored for the distro kernel on another partition from mint 5. any help would be great. Also anyone read the linux format magazine article on how to spice up your lug ? :D -- "There are to many variables to draw conclusions or make grand statements about the universe, we are to ignorant a species to make grand claims". Ronald L Johnson From zzabnr at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 13:14:56 2009 From: zzabnr at gmail.com (bnr bnr) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:14:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] studio 64 vs ubuntu studio Message-ID: <8aa998960903221114n21d1fae9wcdb15e597099c1fd@mail.gmail.com> I haven't tried Studio64 for about a year,but back then I found it to be slightly less polished then Ubuntu Studio, as is to be expected. Basically, do you prefer debian or Ubuntu? Aside from that they both pretty much had all the same packages. I have not had a good experience? with any 64 bit version of Linux(Ok I only tried those two). I saw reduced stability and performance running audio recording software with RT kernels on a Turion 64 with 2GB DDR2700. Granted this was a kinda old laptop I was using, and things may have gotten better with the stability since then. However from what I understand, you need to have a lot of memory (4G or more) and be running memory intensive apps before you see any benefit from running a 64 bit OS due to the increased overhead in addressing a memory bus that is twice a wide. I could be wrong about this, and would certainly appreciate any input from anybody with more in depth and/or recent experience on the 64b front. bnr From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Mar 23 14:44:42 2009 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:44:42 -0400 Subject: [tclug-list] Need mutt help Message-ID: <20090323194429.GA20697@mtu.net> I've got mutt running on a Debian box and an openSuse box. When I'm on the Debian box in the message index and I hit return I get the message as the full screen. When I'm on the openSuse box and I hit return I get the message in half of the screen. I'm looking at my config files and can't find anything that would change this. Can someone please tell me which setting I should be looking at? Thanks. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe GPG signature at http://mtu.net/~jpschewe/gpg.sig.html For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From chrome at real-time.com Mon Mar 23 15:06:21 2009 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:06:21 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Need mutt help In-Reply-To: <20090323194429.GA20697@mtu.net>; from jpschewe@mtu.net on Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 03:44:42PM -0400 References: <20090323194429.GA20697@mtu.net> Message-ID: <20090323150620.F745@real-time.com> On 03/23 03:44 , Jon Schewe wrote: > I've got mutt running on a Debian box and an openSuse box. When I'm on > the Debian box in the message index and I hit return I get the message > as the full screen. When I'm on the openSuse box and I hit return I get > the message in half of the screen. I'm looking at my config files and > can't find anything that would change this. Can someone please tell me > which setting I should be looking at? I think this may be it. set pager_index_lines=4 # how many index lines to show in the pager -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Wed Mar 25 03:21:46 2009 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 03:21:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Open Source NAS @PenguinsUnbound Linux Meeting March 28th, 2009 Message-ID: <49C9E99A.5070708@Goecke-Dolan.com> This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be Saturday March 28th at TIES, 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 from 10:00 to 12:00. (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more info.) Our Topic will be : Open Sources NAS Network Attached Storage, is a easy and quick way to add more storage to your network with an easy to use interface and quick setup. I will talk about why to use a NAS, my need for a NAS, what hardware I am using with my NAS and the different Open Source NAS software. Then we will step through the config for Openfiler NAS. Hope you will be able to make it. ==>brian. From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 10:26:07 2009 From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 10:26:07 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Efficient photo sorter? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <82f04dc40903250826u3f9052cewf7198666fa026e0@mail.gmail.com> I've found gwenview to be awesome. It may not have all the tagging stuff that you want (yet - I think they are working on it) - but it's the best one I've seen for dealing with large numbers of photos. You can also easily integrate tools like krename into gwenview - which is great for me, since I prefer to rename my photos, rather than tag them. It also lets you easily edit the metadata of the photos, which can also be used for tagging. From chrome at real-time.com Thu Mar 26 09:58:02 2009 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:58:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Efficient photo sorter? In-Reply-To: <82f04dc40903250826u3f9052cewf7198666fa026e0@mail.gmail.com>; from daniel.armbrust.list@gmail.com on Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:26:07AM -0500 References: <82f04dc40903250826u3f9052cewf7198666fa026e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090326095802.S745@real-time.com> On 03/25 10:26 , Dan Armbrust wrote: > I've found gwenview to be awesome. I played with it briefly, and while it has some nice features (like playing videos and animated .gifs), the UI was just too crufty and limited compared to GQView. Too many buttons I didn't need and couldn't figure out how to remove; the windows didn't remember their size or placement (maybe would be better with a different window manager, but I really don't want to run kwm on this old computer); and the image window was always the wrong size (couldn't be set to automatically 'shrink' to fit an image, thus not wasting desktop space). I still like GQView, even with its limitations. -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Fri Mar 27 02:40:05 2009 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 02:40:05 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] ** Tomorrow ** Open Source NAS @PenguinsUnbound Linux Meeting March 28th, 2009 Message-ID: <49CC82D5.40200@Goecke-Dolan.com> This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be ** Tomorrow ** Saturday March 28th at TIES, 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 from 10:00 to 12:00. (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more info.) Our Topic will be : Open Sources NAS Network Attached Storage, is a easy and quick way to add more storage to your network with an easy to use interface and quick setup. I will talk about why to use a NAS, my need for a NAS, what hardware I am using with my NAS and the different Open Source NAS software. Then we will step through the config for Openfiler NAS. Hope you will be able to make it. ==>brian. From 42octopus at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 09:19:32 2009 From: 42octopus at gmail.com (Ron Johnson) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:19:32 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] any other mint 6 users out there ? Message-ID: <80370dd20903270719v7c735aa4p7a9f691dadc7e861@mail.gmail.com> Just curious, if you have to set up a new linux user I cant think of anything better right down to a one button codec install in the sysadmin section. also does anyone know how to get audacity to use a rs7800 ati hd sound card ? It will record. It will play mp3 but the raw recording of a guitar it will not play, the speakers clip and clip i have tried lots of different out puts. . I can record on my laptop just fine. I like audacity for it low resource uses. Maybe I have to switch the motherboard to analog sound ? -- "There are to many variables to draw conclusions or make grand statements about the universe, we are to ignorant a species to make grand claims". Ronald L Johnson From sloncho at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 09:59:07 2009 From: sloncho at gmail.com (Sunny) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:59:07 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] any other mint 6 users out there ? In-Reply-To: <80370dd20903270719v7c735aa4p7a9f691dadc7e861@mail.gmail.com> References: <80370dd20903270719v7c735aa4p7a9f691dadc7e861@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Ron Johnson <42octopus at gmail.com> wrote: > also does anyone know how to get audacity to use a rs7800 ati hd sound > card ? It will record. It will play mp3 but the raw recording of a > guitar it will not play, the speakers clip and clip i have tried lots > of different out puts. . I can record on my laptop just fine. I like > audacity for it low resource uses. Maybe I have to switch the > motherboard to analog sound ? > Try to disable pulse audio, it causes problems sometimes (based on my experience with openSuse and ubuntu). -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. From sutrannu at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 14:39:39 2009 From: sutrannu at gmail.com (Ben Betts) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 14:39:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] www.mn-linux.org site needs maintenance In-Reply-To: <808050423-1237481384-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-370765387-@bxe1136.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <808050423-1237481384-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-370765387-@bxe1136.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <8a6084050903291239h5b0f15bbw9e6b2fdbefa5daf7@mail.gmail.com> I'd love to get involved. If something needs doing, let me know. Doesn't matter what. -Ben On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:50 AM, wrote: > > I have the credentials for the admin interface, and I put up announcements for meetings, but I don't currently have access to the server. ?I believe bob and clay would have access. > > I did talk to bob last year about setting up a new server and it sounded like they would be willing to do the hosting for a new site as well (they generously host the current site). > > Last year, eric, paul, and I drew up plans for a new site, but the ambitions exceeded the available time. > > If the site is down, this might be the time to make thw upgrade. I would suggest the simplest solution that gets things going again. > > ?A week or two ago I heard from a couple volunteers to work on a new website. ? Is anyone else interested in getting together to work on a new site? > > We should meet soon. > > Jeremy > ------Original Message------ > From: Clay Fandre > Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > To: Tclug > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] www.mn-linux.org site needs maintenance > Sent: Mar 19, 2009 9:55 AM > > Hmmm, I used to maintain it long long ago in a galaxy far far away. > Not sure if anyone ever took over. (Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?) I also > haven't been involved much and just started going through the TCLUG > emails yesterday. Too funny. > > If nobody else has access I can see if my access still works. Bob/Nate > set me up with a OpenVPN cert to access crusader but haven't used it > in years. Shoot me an email and let me know what the best way is to > get to it. > > Clay > clay at fandre dot com > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom > wrote: > > Hi all! > > Some of you might remember me from the LUG, back in the bad old days when no > > one knew what Linux was. I'm still around, tho I haven't been on the TCLUG > > list for a few years. > > > > I'm still working for RTE tho; and we recently decommissioned our ancient > > MySQL server. Turns out this broke the www.mn-linux.org website. I hacked > > out some of the sections of PHP that made the SQL calls, so the site is > > usable; but it still needs to be fixed/updated. > > > > Who was last updating the TCLUG website, and are they still around to work > > on it? Would someone else like to take it over, if the old person isn't > > available? > > > > -- > > Carl Soderstrom > > Systems Administrator > > Real-Time Enterprises > > www.real-time.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Mon Mar 30 11:26:05 2009 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 11:26:05 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] www.mn-linux.org site needs maintenance In-Reply-To: <8a6084050903291239h5b0f15bbw9e6b2fdbefa5daf7@mail.gmail.com>; from sutrannu@gmail.com on Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 02:39:39PM -0500 References: <808050423-1237481384-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-370765387-@bxe1136.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <8a6084050903291239h5b0f15bbw9e6b2fdbefa5daf7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090330112605.H23013@real-time.com> On 03/29 02:39 , Ben Betts wrote: > I'd love to get involved. If something needs doing, let me know. > Doesn't matter what. Talk to Clay. Coordinate with him. > > clay at fandre dot com -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From haircut at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 08:19:46 2009 From: haircut at gmail.com (Adam Monsen) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 08:19:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] accounting software Message-ID: <9ebd65110903310619t76ae0ef3pf2a0a46c611a3de7@mail.gmail.com> Anyone used LedgerSMB, SQL-Ledger, Compiere, OpenERP, Postbooks, or other FLOSS accounting packages? If so, any opinions on which one(s) are worth checking out? I'm looking for something that I could integrate with Mifos (loan/savings/portfolio tracking software for microfinance institutions). I'm not looking for personal finance software like GnuCash, KMyMoney, etc.--concurrent access must be supported. From swaite at sbn-services.com Tue Mar 31 07:21:06 2009 From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 07:21:06 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Missing lib dependency Message-ID: <49D20AB2.9000906@sbn-services.com> I have openldap 2.4 installed. On a system I have that has Php5.1 I tried to upgrade to 5.2, but I get an error message that I need two libs: libldap-2.3.so.0 is needed by package php-ldap liblber-2.3.so.0 is needed by package php-ldap So I looked and found libldap-2.4.so.2.2.0, and liblber-2.4.so.2.2.0. Now I thought I could simply link them, but I still get the same error. I also found a compat-openldap rpm that provides these libs, yet trying to install that tells me it is already installed. Should I just try to do a force install? What step could I have missed in this process? From bob at grunners.com Tue Mar 31 09:09:31 2009 From: bob at grunners.com (Bob De Mars) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:09:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Missing lib dependency In-Reply-To: <49D20AB2.9000906@sbn-services.com> References: <49D20AB2.9000906@sbn-services.com> Message-ID: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B7024EDF10@lcldc01.LCL.local> Not to sound silly, buy when you made the links did you name them libldap-2.3.so.0 & liblber-2.3.so.0 ?? Bob De Mars T: 651 925 1510 bob at grunners.com Cell: 612 850 6940 www.grunners.com -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Sean Waite Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:21 AM To: tclug-list Subject: [tclug-list] Missing lib dependency I have openldap 2.4 installed. On a system I have that has Php5.1 I tried to upgrade to 5.2, but I get an error message that I need two libs: libldap-2.3.so.0 is needed by package php-ldap liblber-2.3.so.0 is needed by package php-ldap So I looked and found libldap-2.4.so.2.2.0, and liblber-2.4.so.2.2.0. Now I thought I could simply link them, but I still get the same error. I also found a compat-openldap rpm that provides these libs, yet trying to install that tells me it is already installed. Should I just try to do a force install? What step could I have missed in this process? _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kris.browne at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 09:47:15 2009 From: kris.browne at gmail.com (Kristopher Browne) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 09:47:15 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] accounting software In-Reply-To: <9ebd65110903310619t76ae0ef3pf2a0a46c611a3de7@mail.gmail.com> References: <9ebd65110903310619t76ae0ef3pf2a0a46c611a3de7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D7A078A-675C-44FE-9599-A6560CBDCCEA@gmail.com> When I was looking for a package for this at a previous job, I setup and tried a LOT of packages... The two I ended up liking best were WebERP (http://www.weberp.org/HomePage) and Apache OFBiz (http://ofbiz.apache.org/ ). WebERP ended up being what we used, it's simple but friendly and comprehensive... OFBiz is a more complete solution, but for our needs at the time it was overkill and a lot more to setup. -- Kristopher Browne kris dot browne at gmail dot com 612-353-6969 home 612-408-4431 cell -- - - Suspicion always haunts the guilty mind. -- William Shakespeare On Mar 31, 2009, at 08:19:46, Adam Monsen wrote: > Anyone used LedgerSMB, SQL-Ledger, Compiere, OpenERP, Postbooks, or > other FLOSS accounting packages? If so, any opinions on which one(s) > are worth checking out? I'm looking for something that I could > integrate with Mifos (loan/savings/portfolio tracking software for > microfinance institutions). I'm not looking for personal finance > software like GnuCash, KMyMoney, etc.--concurrent access must be > supported. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090331/e74545be/attachment.htm From benjamin at redwoolf.net Tue Mar 31 12:23:02 2009 From: benjamin at redwoolf.net (benjaminGramlich) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:23:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] DIY Router/Firewall/MediaServer Message-ID: Hey all, I'm interested in building my own router/firewall box. Do any of you know of a good tutorial or resources? I don't really know all the hardware (and the pros and cons of different pieces/brands) that I'd need so a tutorial that explains the necessary requirements would be helpful. Additionally, would it be too much to include a media server in such a box? Has anyone here had success with such a venture? cheers, benjamin From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Tue Mar 31 17:06:10 2009 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:06:10 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Wiki Software Message-ID: <49D293D2.10801@Goecke-Dolan.com> I am looking for some new wiki software. I was wonder what people are using out there ? or any suggestions ? What suggestions people have ? What are you using ? Would you recommend it ? Is it easy to use ? ubereasy to use ? Easy to manage ? Thanks. ==>brian. From ecrist at secure-computing.net Tue Mar 31 17:19:33 2009 From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric F Crist) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:19:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Wiki Software In-Reply-To: <49D293D2.10801@Goecke-Dolan.com> References: <49D293D2.10801@Goecke-Dolan.com> Message-ID: <5A6D9AFF-3A7E-4189-A233-A9DD9DCC3416@secure-computing.net> On Mar 31, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Brian Dolan-Goecke wrote: > I am looking for some new wiki software. I was wonder what people are > using out there ? or any suggestions ? > > What suggestions people have ? > What are you using ? > Would you recommend it ? > Is it easy to use ? ubereasy to use ? > Easy to manage ? I use Mediawiki in a half-dozen locations and have had lots of luck with it. You don't mention what you're trying to get away from, so I'm not sure this will help. http://mediawiki.org --- Eric Crist From andyzib at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 17:24:43 2009 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:24:43 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Wiki Software In-Reply-To: <49D293D2.10801@Goecke-Dolan.com> References: <49D293D2.10801@Goecke-Dolan.com> Message-ID: I'm using DokuWiki for technical documentation. (Network Documentation, Server configuration, etc. ) Fast and easy, and the wiki entries are stored as plain text files so it's easy to backup. Also nice if you're stuck at a linux command line and need to read your technical documentation. I wanted something that was fast, easy, and no frills. DokuWiki has meet our needs well. Much better than Microsoft Sharepoint Wikis.... http://www.dokuwiki.org/dokuwiki -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090331/cff90313/attachment.htm From stuff at cb1inc.com Tue Mar 31 17:19:04 2009 From: stuff at cb1inc.com (Chris Barber) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:19:04 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Wiki Software In-Reply-To: <49D293D2.10801@Goecke-Dolan.com> References: <49D293D2.10801@Goecke-Dolan.com> Message-ID: <49D296D8.7090503@cb1inc.com> I use DokuWiki. I don't love it, but it works. It's file based, not DB based. There are annoyances with the markup such as dealing with line breaks and automatic character conversion (i.e. 2 dashes -- converts into a single wide dash). It is one of the few wikis that can be secured easily. MediaWiki requires you to code the security settings. I tried DekiWiki, but for some reason I didn't like it. Google Sites is pretty nice, but I wanted to host it myself and lock it down. -Chris Brian Dolan-Goecke wrote: > I am looking for some new wiki software. I was wonder what people are > using out there ? or any suggestions ? > > What suggestions people have ? > What are you using ? > Would you recommend it ? > Is it easy to use ? ubereasy to use ? > Easy to manage ? > > Thanks. > > ==>brian. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090331/acb0ce3b/attachment.htm From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Tue Mar 31 17:35:14 2009 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:35:14 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Wiki Software In-Reply-To: <5A6D9AFF-3A7E-4189-A233-A9DD9DCC3416@secure-computing.net> References: <49D293D2.10801@Goecke-Dolan.com> <5A6D9AFF-3A7E-4189-A233-A9DD9DCC3416@secure-computing.net> Message-ID: <49D29AA2.2090502@Goecke-Dolan.com> Yea, I didn't make that clear. The two most important things I am looking for are: - Something easy to use for non-technical people, something your mom or grandma could use - Something easy to manage/administer I have found the wiki's that use mark up languages difficult to use, and I am sure my mother would not be able to use. ==>brian. Eric F Crist wrote: > On Mar 31, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Brian Dolan-Goecke wrote: > >> I am looking for some new wiki software. I was wonder what people are >> using out there ? or any suggestions ? >> >> What suggestions people have ? >> What are you using ? >> Would you recommend it ? >> Is it easy to use ? ubereasy to use ? >> Easy to manage ? > > > I use Mediawiki in a half-dozen locations and have had lots of luck with > it. You don't mention what you're trying to get away from, so I'm not > sure this will help. > > http://mediawiki.org > --- > Eric Crist > > > > > From max at bernsteinforpresident.com Tue Mar 31 18:18:05 2009 From: max at bernsteinforpresident.com (Max Shinn) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:18:05 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Wiki Software In-Reply-To: <49D29AA2.2090502@Goecke-Dolan.com> References: <49D293D2.10801@Goecke-Dolan.com> <5A6D9AFF-3A7E-4189-A233-A9DD9DCC3416@secure-computing.net> <49D29AA2.2090502@Goecke-Dolan.com> Message-ID: <200903311818.05213.max@bernsteinforpresident.com> Take a look at SpeedyWiki. It is very basic and simple to use/manage. If you are looking for any sort of advanced feature, forget about it, but it is still great for modest needs. On Tuesday 31 March 2009 5:35:14 pm Brian Dolan-Goecke wrote: > Yea, I didn't make that clear. > > The two most important things I am looking for are: > - Something easy to use for non-technical people, something your mom > or grandma could use > - Something easy to manage/administer > > I have found the wiki's that use mark up languages difficult to use, and > I am sure my mother would not be able to use. > > ==>brian. > > Eric F Crist wrote: > > On Mar 31, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Brian Dolan-Goecke wrote: > >> I am looking for some new wiki software. I was wonder what people are > >> using out there ? or any suggestions ? > >> > >> What suggestions people have ? > >> What are you using ? > >> Would you recommend it ? > >> Is it easy to use ? ubereasy to use ? > >> Easy to manage ? > > > > I use Mediawiki in a half-dozen locations and have had lots of luck with > > it. You don't mention what you're trying to get away from, so I'm not > > sure this will help. > > > > http://mediawiki.org > > --- > > Eric Crist > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Leonard Bernstein for President Web Development: www.BernsteinForPresident.com My Software Freedom Blog: trombonechamp.wordpress.com From tclug at freakzilla.com Tue Mar 31 18:58:59 2009 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 18:58:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] DIY Router/Firewall/MediaServer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi there, On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, benjaminGramlich wrote: > I'm interested in building my own router/firewall box. Do any of you > know of a good tutorial or resources? I think there's something called the Linux Router Project. Which has apparently been superseded by LEAF (http://leaf.sourceforge.net/). Or you can check this list on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_router_or_firewall_distributions > Additionally, would it be too much to include a media server in such a > box? Probably not too much from a performance point of view, but the mere idea of running a media server on a firewall/router kinda makes me cringe, security-wise. Technically you want your firewall/router/gateway to be EXTREMELY secure, so putting any unneccesary applications on it would be very bad. Even if you really only mean an NFS file server, it's probably best avoided. -Yaron -- From stutterstutt at comcast.net Tue Mar 31 19:31:03 2009 From: stutterstutt at comcast.net (Jeff Nelson) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:31:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Replacement for Yahoo Groups Message-ID: <49D2B5C7.5010305@comcast.net> I'm looking for alternatives to Yahoo Groups. I like the Yahoo Groups features of archiving messages, having a place to archive files, and being able to schedule events (with automatic reminders) on a calendar. Ranked features from most to least important are: 1. One email address which reflects to everyone on the list. 2. Closed list (only members can send email, joining list must be approved) 3. Calendar reminders Nice, but not necessary: 4. File archives 5. Message archives There are a few drawbacks of Yahoo Groups. First, I want to add/remove people to the list without the list member having to do anything special. Some of the members of my lists have email but are computer-challenged. Second, Yahoo Groups sometimes gets bogged down and timely messages (like calendar reminders) don't go out when scheduled. My group of volunteers has no funding, so very cheap, preferably open-source suggestions are most appreciated. Thanks! -Jeff From swaite at sbn-services.com Tue Mar 31 19:50:56 2009 From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:50:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Missing lib dependency In-Reply-To: <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B7024EDF10@lcldc01.LCL.local> References: <49D20AB2.9000906@sbn-services.com> <1684B45ED062854694DF88DB8A0C55B7024EDF10@lcldc01.LCL.local> Message-ID: <49D2BA70.3070706@sbn-services.com> Yes, I did "ln libldap-2.4.so.2.2.0 libldap-2.3.so.0" command, and it created link file libldap-2.3.so.0. Did I do the wrong command? Syntax off? I am not that experienced using ln, but I have in the past fixed lib compatibility doing this, so I am little confused. Ok, actually very confused and lost. So I figured either my syntax is off, or I have linked to the wrong files. Bob De Mars wrote: > Not to sound silly, buy when you made the links did you name them > libldap-2.3.so.0 & liblber-2.3.so.0 ?? > > > Bob De Mars > T: 651 925 1510 bob at grunners.com > Cell: 612 850 6940 www.grunners.com > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Sean Waite > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:21 AM > To: tclug-list > Subject: [tclug-list] Missing lib dependency > > I have openldap 2.4 installed. On a system I have that has Php5.1 I > tried to upgrade to 5.2, but I get an error message that I need two > libs: > > libldap-2.3.so.0 is needed by package php-ldap > liblber-2.3.so.0 is needed by package php-ldap > > So I looked and found libldap-2.4.so.2.2.0, and liblber-2.4.so.2.2.0. > Now I thought I could simply link them, but I still get the same error. > I also found a compat-openldap rpm that provides these libs, yet trying > to install that tells me it is already installed. > > Should I just try to do a force install? What step could I have missed > in this process? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From nealzimm at cpinternet.com Tue Mar 31 21:39:41 2009 From: nealzimm at cpinternet.com (Neal Zimmermann) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:39:41 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting this Month? Message-ID: <1238553581.3601.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> I was checking the web site, but was not able to see if there is a meeting this month. Is that an oversight with the web sites "problems" recently or will there be no meeting Saturday? Neal From kris.browne at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 22:35:21 2009 From: kris.browne at gmail.com (Kristopher Browne) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:35:21 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Replacement for Yahoo Groups In-Reply-To: <49D2B5C7.5010305@comcast.net> References: <49D2B5C7.5010305@comcast.net> Message-ID: <683BA73B-5A86-4320-BE23-0232933BF762@gmail.com> Something you might want to take a look at is Citadel... It's a BBS/ Groupware package that dates back many many years, and offers a variety of options for calendaring and mailing lists. It's GPL now, very easy to setup, and fairly easy to secure and maintain. citadel.org -- Kristopher Browne kris dot browne at gmail dot com 612-353-6969 home 612-408-4431 cell -- - - QOTD: If you're looking for trouble, I can offer you a wide selection. On Mar 31, 2009, at 19:31:03, Jeff Nelson wrote: > I'm looking for alternatives to Yahoo Groups. I like the Yahoo Groups > features of archiving messages, having a place to archive files, and > being able to schedule events (with automatic reminders) on a > calendar. > Ranked features from most to least important are: > > 1. One email address which reflects to everyone on the list. > 2. Closed list (only members can send email, joining list must be > approved) > 3. Calendar reminders > > Nice, but not necessary: > 4. File archives > 5. Message archives > > There are a few drawbacks of Yahoo Groups. First, I want to add/remove > people to the list without the list member having to do anything > special. Some of the members of my lists have email but are > computer-challenged. Second, Yahoo Groups sometimes gets bogged down > and > timely messages (like calendar reminders) don't go out when scheduled. > > My group of volunteers has no funding, so very cheap, preferably > open-source suggestions are most appreciated. > > Thanks! > > -Jeff > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090331/eb8081c5/attachment.htm From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Tue Mar 31 22:37:45 2009 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (kelly) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:37:45 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Replacement for Yahoo Groups References: <49D2B5C7.5010305@comcast.net> <683BA73B-5A86-4320-BE23-0232933BF762@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0000014908@mail.penguinpackets.com> Citadel is quite an interesting groupware tool. It has web based / imap / pop3 and IM (web based and XMPP), as well as mailing list and remote retreval capabilities as well as bbs style functionality. It is being used via ham radio networks in the Minneapolis / Saint Paul area currently: www.14567.org Hint: search for citadel Kelly KB0GBJ >Tue Mar 31 2009 10:35:21 PM CDT from Kristopher Browne to TC Linux TC Linux >User Group >Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Replacement for Yahoo Groups >Something you might want to take a look at is Citadel... It's a >BBS/Groupware package that dates back many many years, and offers a variety >of options for calendaring and mailing lists. It's GPL now, very easy to >setup, and fairly easy to secure and maintain. > > >citadel.org > > -- > >Kristopher Browne > >kris dot browne at gmail dot com > >612-353-6969 home > >612-408-4431 cell > >-- > > - - > >QOTD: If you're looking for trouble, I can offer you a wide selection. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >On Mar 31, 2009, at 19:31:03, Jeff Nelson wrote: > > > >>I'm looking for alternatives to Yahoo Groups. I like the Yahoo Groups >>features of archiving messages, having a place to archive files, and >>being able to schedule events (with automatic reminders) on a calendar. >>Ranked features from most to least important are: >> >>1. One email address which reflects to everyone on the list. >>2. Closed list (only members can send email, joining list must be approved) >>3. Calendar reminders >> >>Nice, but not necessary: >>4. File archives >>5. Message archives >> >>There are a few drawbacks of Yahoo Groups. First, I want to add/remove >>people to the list without the list member having to do anything >>special. Some of the members of my lists have email but are >>computer-challenged. Second, Yahoo Groups sometimes gets bogged down and >>timely messages (like calendar reminders) don't go out when scheduled. >> >>My group of volunteers has no funding, so very cheap, preferably >>open-source suggestions are most appreciated. >> >>Thanks! >> >>-Jeff >> >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I vaguely recall projects on SourceForge that didn't even have code, rather were centered around documentation or education or something. Ah, here's one: http://sf.net/projects/slrn-doc/ . I also use Google Groups (free as in beer, not speech). They provide a decent service. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090331/f61422f2/attachment.pgp From bogus@does.not.exist.com Mon Mar 30 16:15:08 2009 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:15:08 -0000 Subject: No subject Message-ID: I'm just curious as to why you would want to create a new network protocol. Generally this is done to address inherent limitations in an existing protocol. What exactly is the problem you're trying to solve through the creation of a new protocol?