From tclug at jfoo.org Sun May 3 19:31:46 2009 From: tclug at jfoo.org (John Gateley) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 19:31:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Moving home server to the cloud Message-ID: <49FE3772.8080304@jfoo.org> Hi Y'all, I've been running a home server (DNS, e-mail, web server, database) for several years. I think it is time to move offsite. Anyone tried EC2 for this? It looks like EC2 is a thin layer on top of VMware so I could run what I needed. I can use godaddy for DNS, so I don't need that anymore. I use qmail for mail, and I'd like to keep that, I have a somewhat complex setup. I'm running apache2 and a few wikis hitting MySQL. Suggestions? j From dutchman_mn at charter.net Sun May 3 20:32:16 2009 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (Perry Hoekstra) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 20:32:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Moving home server to the cloud In-Reply-To: <49FE3772.8080304@jfoo.org> References: <49FE3772.8080304@jfoo.org> Message-ID: <49FE45A0.7070701@charter.net> It is not running on VMWare, it is its own animal. However, you can run any flavor of Linux that you care to on EC2. My first question to you is, if the instance went down or was unstable, what would be the impact? If you are running MySQL within EC2, you need to have backups to Amazon S3. That way, if you lose the instance, the backup data is sitting in S3. Perry Hoekstra John Gateley wrote: > Hi Y'all, > > I've been running a home server (DNS, e-mail, web server, database) > for several years. I think it is time to move offsite. Anyone tried > EC2 for this? It looks like EC2 is a thin layer on top of VMware so > I could run what I needed. > > I can use godaddy for DNS, so I don't need that anymore. > > I use qmail for mail, and I'd like to keep that, I have a somewhat > complex setup. > > I'm running apache2 and a few wikis hitting MySQL. > > Suggestions? > > j > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From trnja001 at umn.edu Sun May 3 21:31:00 2009 From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin) Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 21:31:00 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Moving home server to the cloud In-Reply-To: <49FE45A0.7070701@charter.net> References: <49FE3772.8080304@jfoo.org> <49FE45A0.7070701@charter.net> Message-ID: <49FE5364.5000907@umn.edu> Perry Hoekstra wrote: > It is not running on VMWare, it is its own animal. However, you can run > any flavor of Linux that you care to on EC2. > > Technically, the hypervisor is Xen. It's easiest to run whatever machine images are already available. > My first question to you is, if the instance went down or was unstable, > what would be the impact? > > I assume it would be the same answer as any other machine. > If you are running MySQL within EC2, you need to have backups to Amazon > S3. That way, if you lose the instance, the backup data is sitting in S3. > > Perry Hoekstra > > As for suggestions from me, even the smallest instance will cost you at least $70 per month. Add on storage, the amount of IO transactions, plus bandwidth, and you end up with something more expensive than a dedicated server that works about the same but does not perform as well. If you're doing a database in EC2 and you're storing the database files in S3, that's going to be quite slow as the files would be on something that is essentially an NFS server. The only benefit is quality bandwidth and being able to bring up a new instance on demand. If you're looking for other providers to compare, try out Slicehost. > John Gateley wrote: > >> Hi Y'all, >> >> I've been running a home server (DNS, e-mail, web server, database) >> for several years. I think it is time to move offsite. Anyone tried >> EC2 for this? It looks like EC2 is a thin layer on top of VMware so >> I could run what I needed. >> >> I can use godaddy for DNS, so I don't need that anymore. >> >> I use qmail for mail, and I'd like to keep that, I have a somewhat >> complex setup. >> >> I'm running apache2 and a few wikis hitting MySQL. >> >> Suggestions? >> >> j >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tclug1 at greatlakedata.com Mon May 4 01:37:31 2009 From: tclug1 at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 01:37:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Moving home server to the cloud In-Reply-To: <49FE5364.5000907@umn.edu> References: <49FE3772.8080304@jfoo.org> <49FE45A0.7070701@charter.net> <49FE5364.5000907@umn.edu> Message-ID: <429c5ec20905032337s1b9fcc52s285b65560f9a8217@mail.gmail.com> > > If you're looking for other providers to compare, try out Slicehost. or tektonic.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090504/90af7d19/attachment.htm From dutchman_mn at charter.net Mon May 4 06:35:47 2009 From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (dutchman_mn at charter.net) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 7:35:47 -0400 Subject: [tclug-list] Moving home server to the cloud In-Reply-To: <49FE5364.5000907@umn.edu> Message-ID: <20090504073547.E2LWI.2049062.root@mp20> No, not mounting the database images on S3. You can run MySQL on EC2. However, if the EC2 instance goes down, it would take your data with it. So you take backups of your data on EC2 and transfer them to the S3 where recovery is guaranteed. Perry Hoekstra ---- Elvedin Trnjanin wrote: > > Perry Hoekstra wrote: > > It is not running on VMWare, it is its own animal. However, you can run > > any flavor of Linux that you care to on EC2. > > > > > Technically, the hypervisor is Xen. It's easiest to run whatever machine > images are already available. > > My first question to you is, if the instance went down or was unstable, > > what would be the impact? > > > > > I assume it would be the same answer as any other machine. > > If you are running MySQL within EC2, you need to have backups to Amazon > > S3. That way, if you lose the instance, the backup data is sitting in S3. > > > > Perry Hoekstra > > > > > > As for suggestions from me, even the smallest instance will cost you at > least $70 per month. Add on storage, the amount of IO transactions, plus > bandwidth, and you end up with something more expensive than a dedicated > server that works about the same but does not perform as well. If you're > doing a database in EC2 and you're storing the database files in S3, > that's going to be quite slow as the files would be on something that is > essentially an NFS server. The only benefit is quality bandwidth and > being able to bring up a new instance on demand. > > If you're looking for other providers to compare, try out Slicehost. > > > John Gateley wrote: > > > >> Hi Y'all, > >> > >> I've been running a home server (DNS, e-mail, web server, database) > >> for several years. I think it is time to move offsite. Anyone tried > >> EC2 for this? It looks like EC2 is a thin layer on top of VMware so > >> I could run what I needed. > >> > >> I can use godaddy for DNS, so I don't need that anymore. > >> > >> I use qmail for mail, and I'd like to keep that, I have a somewhat > >> complex setup. > >> > >> I'm running apache2 and a few wikis hitting MySQL. > >> > >> Suggestions? > >> > >> j > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > From sulrich at botwerks.org Mon May 4 08:17:06 2009 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 08:17:06 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Moving home server to the cloud In-Reply-To: <49FE5364.5000907@umn.edu> References: <49FE3772.8080304@jfoo.org> <49FE45A0.7070701@charter.net> <49FE5364.5000907@umn.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Elvedin Trnjanin wrote: > > Perry Hoekstra wrote: >> It is not running on VMWare, it is its own animal. ?However, you can run >> any flavor of Linux that you care to on EC2. >> >> > Technically, the hypervisor is Xen. It's easiest to run whatever machine > images are already available. >> My first question to you is, if the instance went down or was unstable, >> what would be the impact? >> >> > I assume it would be the same answer as any other machine. >> If you are running MySQL within EC2, you need to have backups to Amazon >> S3. ?That way, if you lose the instance, the backup data is sitting in S3. >> >> Perry Hoekstra >> >> > > As for suggestions from me, even the smallest instance will cost you at > least $70 per month. Add on storage, the amount of IO transactions, plus > bandwidth, and you end up with something more expensive than a dedicated > server that works about the same but does not perform as well. If you're > doing a database in EC2 and you're storing the database files in S3, > that's going to be quite slow as the files would be on something that is > essentially an NFS server. The only benefit is quality bandwidth and > being able to bring up a new instance on demand. > > If you're looking for other providers to compare, try out Slicehost. having spent a good chunk of time with EC2 for various projects i'd echo these sentiments. EC2 really shines when you're looking to do something which requires incremental addition of compute capacity to deal with capacity requirements or you need to split problems up across a bunch of hardware for variable and typically short amounts of time. if you're looking for something to host your personal domains, mail, etc you'll likely be better off with a virtual private server solution from any number of reputable hosting providers. the pricing for these services with a year contract can be had for much lower price points. godaddy for example can get you a respectable VPS server for 30-40 / month. a small CPU configuration on amazon's ec2 will run you ~$75 / month as noted and some unique hoops to jump through which you won't necessarily need to jump through w/a VPS at a commodity hosting provider. >> John Gateley wrote: >> >>> Hi Y'all, >>> >>> I've been running a home server (DNS, e-mail, web server, database) >>> for several years. I think it is time to move offsite. Anyone tried >>> EC2 for this? It looks like EC2 is a thin layer on top of VMware so >>> I could run what I needed. >>> >>> I can use godaddy for DNS, so I don't need that anymore. >>> >>> I use qmail for mail, and I'd like to keep that, I have a somewhat >>> complex setup. >>> >>> I'm running apache2 and a few wikis hitting MySQL. >>> >>> Suggestions? >>> >>> j >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- steve ulrich (sulrich at botwerks.*) From rbrown at rawmindz.com Mon May 4 08:42:56 2009 From: rbrown at rawmindz.com (Robert Brown) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 08:42:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Moving home server to the cloud In-Reply-To: References: <49FE3772.8080304@jfoo.org> <49FE45A0.7070701@charter.net> <49FE5364.5000907@umn.edu> Message-ID: <916e208f0905040642p46b5bcd9kde1ca971428bfe16@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone have experience with Mosso, which seems to be a competitor to EC2? On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 8:17 AM, steve ulrich wrote: > On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Elvedin Trnjanin wrote: > > > > Perry Hoekstra wrote: > >> It is not running on VMWare, it is its own animal. However, you can run > >> any flavor of Linux that you care to on EC2. > >> > >> > > Technically, the hypervisor is Xen. It's easiest to run whatever machine > > images are already available. > >> My first question to you is, if the instance went down or was unstable, > >> what would be the impact? > >> > >> > > I assume it would be the same answer as any other machine. > >> If you are running MySQL within EC2, you need to have backups to Amazon > >> S3. That way, if you lose the instance, the backup data is sitting in > S3. > >> > >> Perry Hoekstra > >> > >> > > > > As for suggestions from me, even the smallest instance will cost you at > > least $70 per month. Add on storage, the amount of IO transactions, plus > > bandwidth, and you end up with something more expensive than a dedicated > > server that works about the same but does not perform as well. If you're > > doing a database in EC2 and you're storing the database files in S3, > > that's going to be quite slow as the files would be on something that is > > essentially an NFS server. The only benefit is quality bandwidth and > > being able to bring up a new instance on demand. > > > > If you're looking for other providers to compare, try out Slicehost. > > having spent a good chunk of time with EC2 for various projects i'd > echo these sentiments. EC2 really shines when you're looking to do > something which requires incremental addition of compute capacity to > deal with capacity requirements or you need to split problems up > across a bunch of hardware for variable and typically short amounts of > time. > > if you're looking for something to host your personal domains, mail, > etc you'll likely be better off with a virtual private server solution > from any number of reputable hosting providers. the pricing for these > services with a year contract can be had for much lower price points. > godaddy for example can get you a respectable VPS server for 30-40 / > month. > > a small CPU configuration on amazon's ec2 will run you ~$75 / month as > noted and some unique hoops to jump through which you won't > necessarily need to jump through w/a VPS at a commodity hosting > provider. > > > > >> John Gateley wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Y'all, > >>> > >>> I've been running a home server (DNS, e-mail, web server, database) > >>> for several years. I think it is time to move offsite. Anyone tried > >>> EC2 for this? It looks like EC2 is a thin layer on top of VMware so > >>> I could run what I needed. > >>> > >>> I can use godaddy for DNS, so I don't need that anymore. > >>> > >>> I use qmail for mail, and I'd like to keep that, I have a somewhat > >>> complex setup. > >>> > >>> I'm running apache2 and a few wikis hitting MySQL. > >>> > >>> Suggestions? > >>> > >>> j > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > -- > steve ulrich (sulrich at botwerks.*) > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090504/614fae2e/attachment-0001.htm From trnja001 at umn.edu Mon May 4 10:30:06 2009 From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 10:30:06 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Moving home server to the cloud In-Reply-To: <916e208f0905040642p46b5bcd9kde1ca971428bfe16@mail.gmail.com> References: <49FE3772.8080304@jfoo.org> <49FE45A0.7070701@charter.net> <49FE5364.5000907@umn.edu> <916e208f0905040642p46b5bcd9kde1ca971428bfe16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49FF09FE.5080603@umn.edu> I haven't tested it myself as they're not exactly cheap. It may be more or less the same, except that you can get management/support with Mosso as that is what Rackspace is known for. You'd probably find more developers using Amazon's Web Services though. Robert Brown wrote: > Does anyone have experience with Mosso, which seems to be a competitor > to EC2? > From tclug at mikerochford.com Mon May 4 10:37:14 2009 From: tclug at mikerochford.com (Mike Rochford) Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 10:37:14 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Moving home server to the cloud In-Reply-To: <49FF09FE.5080603@umn.edu> References: <49FE3772.8080304@jfoo.org> <49FE45A0.7070701@charter.net> <49FE5364.5000907@umn.edu> <916e208f0905040642p46b5bcd9kde1ca971428bfe16@mail.gmail.com> <49FF09FE.5080603@umn.edu> Message-ID: <406189300905040837g2df9f010w6ccaaf4c8cb2c6f5@mail.gmail.com> Check out http://www.slicehost.com/ -Mike On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Elvedin Trnjanin wrote: > I haven't tested it myself as they're not exactly cheap. It may be more > or less the same, except that you can get management/support with Mosso > as that is what Rackspace is known for. You'd probably find more > developers using Amazon's Web Services though. > > Robert Brown wrote: > > Does anyone have experience with Mosso, which seems to be a competitor > > to EC2? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090504/02e69a33/attachment.htm From stuff at cb1inc.com Mon May 4 12:06:31 2009 From: stuff at cb1inc.com (Chris Barber) Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 12:06:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Moving home server to the cloud In-Reply-To: <916e208f0905040642p46b5bcd9kde1ca971428bfe16@mail.gmail.com> References: <49FE3772.8080304@jfoo.org> <49FE45A0.7070701@charter.net> <49FE5364.5000907@umn.edu> <916e208f0905040642p46b5bcd9kde1ca971428bfe16@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49FF2097.5020903@cb1inc.com> I don't know about Mosso's current offerings, but as of a year or two ago they had a shared hosting option for $100/mo that was similar to MediaTemple's, but I recall they were experimenting with billing and they were charging not only for bandwidth, but the actual number of web requests (pages, images, javascript, css, etc). Insane if you ask me. -Chris Robert Brown wrote: > Does anyone have experience with Mosso, which seems to be a competitor > to EC2? > > On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 8:17 AM, steve ulrich > wrote: > > On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Elvedin Trnjanin > wrote: > > > > Perry Hoekstra wrote: > >> It is not running on VMWare, it is its own animal. However, > you can run > >> any flavor of Linux that you care to on EC2. > >> > >> > > Technically, the hypervisor is Xen. It's easiest to run whatever > machine > > images are already available. > >> My first question to you is, if the instance went down or was > unstable, > >> what would be the impact? > >> > >> > > I assume it would be the same answer as any other machine. > >> If you are running MySQL within EC2, you need to have backups > to Amazon > >> S3. That way, if you lose the instance, the backup data is > sitting in S3. > >> > >> Perry Hoekstra > >> > >> > > > > As for suggestions from me, even the smallest instance will cost > you at > > least $70 per month. Add on storage, the amount of IO > transactions, plus > > bandwidth, and you end up with something more expensive than a > dedicated > > server that works about the same but does not perform as well. > If you're > > doing a database in EC2 and you're storing the database files in S3, > > that's going to be quite slow as the files would be on something > that is > > essentially an NFS server. The only benefit is quality bandwidth and > > being able to bring up a new instance on demand. > > > > If you're looking for other providers to compare, try out Slicehost. > > having spent a good chunk of time with EC2 for various projects i'd > echo these sentiments. EC2 really shines when you're looking to do > something which requires incremental addition of compute capacity to > deal with capacity requirements or you need to split problems up > across a bunch of hardware for variable and typically short amounts of > time. > > if you're looking for something to host your personal domains, mail, > etc you'll likely be better off with a virtual private server solution > from any number of reputable hosting providers. the pricing for these > services with a year contract can be had for much lower price points. > godaddy for example can get you a respectable VPS server for 30-40 / > month. > > a small CPU configuration on amazon's ec2 will run you ~$75 / month as > noted and some unique hoops to jump through which you won't > necessarily need to jump through w/a VPS at a commodity hosting > provider. > > > > >> John Gateley wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Y'all, > >>> > >>> I've been running a home server (DNS, e-mail, web server, > database) > >>> for several years. I think it is time to move offsite. Anyone > tried > >>> EC2 for this? It looks like EC2 is a thin layer on top of > VMware so > >>> I could run what I needed. > >>> > >>> I can use godaddy for DNS, so I don't need that anymore. > >>> > >>> I use qmail for mail, and I'd like to keep that, I have a somewhat > >>> complex setup. > >>> > >>> I'm running apache2 and a few wikis hitting MySQL. > >>> > >>> Suggestions? > >>> > >>> j > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > -- > steve ulrich (sulrich at botwerks.*) > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090504/bda3c308/attachment.htm From florin at iucha.net Tue May 5 08:49:12 2009 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 08:49:12 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] suggestions for tuning software raid/lvm/xfs? Message-ID: <20090505134911.GO11983@iris.iucha.org> Hello, I am building a file server that will store mostly raw images from my digital camera (~ 8 to 11 MB in size) their associated metadata (6 kb) and my library of documents (mostly PDF) and I'm looking for some tuning suggestions. I will have 3x750Gb hard drives in RAID-5 plus a separate OS drive and I plan to create a single md device out of the storage drive then split it up with LVM then create XFS file systems for different types of data. I searched google for half a day and I'm getting preciously few hard suggestions for my kind of setup. Most folks have many more drives in a hardware raid. Others say to use the defaults, but last time when I used the defaults I ended up with 64kb MD chunk sizes and 32 blocks stripe width (instead of 128). Should I worry about configuring the LVM block/extent sizes to match the MD and XFS? Any hints would be really appreciated! Thanks, florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090505/3e987a2b/attachment.pgp From marc at e-skinner.net Tue May 5 09:23:57 2009 From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner) Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 09:23:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] suggestions for tuning software raid/lvm/xfs? In-Reply-To: <20090505134911.GO11983@iris.iucha.org> References: <20090505134911.GO11983@iris.iucha.org> Message-ID: <4A004BFD.2050403@e-skinner.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 if you really know the type of data that will reside on your system then tuning does make sense. but most people end up storing all sorts of data and then the defaults tend to make more sense - or a differently tuned system. a lot of time tuning the delivery system will get you greater results: ie: samba/nfs/http/ftp? how are you sharing out the data? depending on the system - does it do anything else or just serve up data? you might want to tune buffers, io scheduler, and network settings - which i'm assuming you are looking into. Florin Iucha wrote: > Hello, > > I am building a file server that will store mostly raw images from my > digital camera (~ 8 to 11 MB in size) their associated metadata (6 > kb) and my library of documents (mostly PDF) and I'm looking for some > tuning suggestions. > > I will have 3x750Gb hard drives in RAID-5 plus a separate OS drive and > I plan to create a single md device out of the storage drive then > split it up with LVM then create XFS file systems for different types > of data. > > I searched google for half a day and I'm getting preciously few hard > suggestions for my kind of setup. Most folks have many more drives in > a hardware raid. Others say to use the defaults, but last time when I > used the defaults I ended up with 64kb MD chunk sizes and 32 blocks > stripe width (instead of 128). > > Should I worry about configuring the LVM block/extent sizes to match > the MD and XFS? > > Any hints would be really appreciated! > > Thanks, > florin > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkoAS/oACgkQvE9HrEfeE4fYMwCbB/f9aPKdCr0jFTuicCmSd8fA XN0AoOkacxJacejP8A1PadzvDAu+siDP =CsBx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Tue May 5 09:42:54 2009 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:42:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] logging out of Gnome kills IceWM? Message-ID: I mostly work from an IceWM session within Xvnc, but I also run Gnome on the same machine. I accidentally logged out of Gnome when I meant to click "lock screen" and it did not prompt with a dialog box -- it just killed every window and restarted. Is that abnormal behavior? I think it should prompt. Anyway, the big issue is that IceWM is no longer working in Xvnc. It is completely frozen. I can see from "ps" that all the processes are running -- dozens of them -- but I don't know how to get at them. Any ideas? Mike From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Tue May 5 11:41:13 2009 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 11:41:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] logging out of Gnome kills IceWM? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 5 May 2009, Mike Miller wrote: > I mostly work from an IceWM session within Xvnc, but I also run Gnome on > the same machine. I accidentally logged out of Gnome when I meant to > click "lock screen" and it did not prompt with a dialog box -- it just > killed every window and restarted. Is that abnormal behavior? I think > it should prompt. > > Anyway, the big issue is that IceWM is no longer working in Xvnc. It is > completely frozen. I can see from "ps" that all the processes are > running -- dozens of them -- but I don't know how to get at them. It looks like logging out of Gnome somehow killed all of these processes used by IceWM: icewm-session icewmbg icewm icewmtray Anyway, I'm sure I'm screwed. So now that I might as well try the Ubuntu upgrade to 9.04 in the office. Why not? I did it at home and it was very smooth and easy. I just did a test by logging out of Gnome with a new IceWM session running in a new VNC session. No problem. There definitely was something pathological about the earlier Gnome log out. It went to a console prompt for a while. I think it was a total restart of X, probably because of updates. I assume restarting X will kill IceWM. Something to watch out for in the future!! Mike From haircut at gmail.com Wed May 6 14:46:02 2009 From: haircut at gmail.com (Adam Monsen) Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 14:46:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] dimdim, anyone? Message-ID: <1241639162.27915.21.camel@localhost> No, not dim sum. Dimdim is a pretty slick alternative to WebEx and GoToMeeting, licensed under the GPL. http://sf.net/projects/dimdim For months I've been using dimdim.com at work for sharing presentations. The coolest part is that its all flash-based: participants just click a link and they're in. I was thinking of setting up my own dimdim server. Has anyone done this? If so, how hard is it? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Zbikowski) Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:00:23 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] blocking HTTP body content with squid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can get Squid to flip all the images upside down: http://ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html This might be helpful: http://sites.inka.de/bigred/devel/squid-filter.html -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com From robert at hutman.net Fri May 8 14:07:52 2009 From: robert at hutman.net (Robert Radtke) Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 14:07:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] free networking gear Message-ID: <4A048308.2090603@hutman.net> Hi All, We're clearing out the old gear pile at the office and I have a few items I hate to just throw away. Soo - if anyone is interested let me know and you can have it. Cisco 2511 router w/16 serial ports and cables - so you end up with 16 rj45 serial port (male) Cisco 2620 w/4t1-ima quad T1 atm card Adtran Atlas 800 - 6 t1 ports 2 56K csu/dsu 2 intel 8100 t1 routers a few hubs / switches which have a bad port or two but still work 1 2U rack mount dual P3 1.??G server with scsi raid and drives that I think work - it's been on the shelf for a few years so I'm not sure. All fun stuff for learning cisco IOS or I'm not sure what. The junk guy is coming next Thursday - so it has to be gone by then. Best, Robert -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert Radtke Hutman Inc robert at hutman.net 1710 N. Douglas Dr. #285 612.843.1400 Minneapolis, MN 55422 #!/hutman~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From christophermsmith at gmail.com Tue May 12 09:52:51 2009 From: christophermsmith at gmail.com (Chris Smith) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:52:51 -0400 Subject: [tclug-list] OT ISP suggestions - RFQ's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <73C2C6F7-281A-45D0-A3D5-E330E726EEAE@gmail.com> Hello, I realize this is a bit off topic, but I figured there were probably several ISP operators on this list. I am asking for a friend who is an asp.net developer. He is looking for an ISP that can provide a dedicated physical (non- virtual) server with at least 2 cores, 4 GB ram, 80 - 100GB HD space. Running Windows Server 2003 I don't have any data transfer figures. Chris Smith From a.kuriger at liquidphlux.com Tue May 12 13:55:53 2009 From: a.kuriger at liquidphlux.com (Andrew Kuriger) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 13:55:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] OT ISP suggestions - RFQ's In-Reply-To: <73C2C6F7-281A-45D0-A3D5-E330E726EEAE@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Chris, Best hope would probably be to post the request in a more appropriate forum such at http://www.webhostingtalk.com. Darn good community there and very competitive, but be sure to go with a reputable vendor. If it needs to be local you could try Visi but there bandwidth rates are fairly high, who knows about hardware costs. ~Andrew Kuriger On 5/12/2009, "Chris Smith" wrote: >Hello, I realize this is a bit off topic, but I figured there were >probably several ISP operators on this list. > >I am asking for a friend who is an asp.net developer. >He is looking for an ISP that can provide a dedicated physical (non- >virtual) server with at least 2 cores, 4 GB ram, 80 - 100GB HD space. >Running Windows Server 2003 > >I don't have any data transfer figures. > > > >Chris Smith > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Thu May 14 00:43:41 2009 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 00:43:41 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux, Google Android && other devices. Message-ID: <4A0BAF8D.7030201@Goecke-Dolan.com> I am looking for someone that has experience with Google Android and or someone with experience with Linux on other embedded devices. Did you load Linux on your PDA ? on your pictures frame ? Are you a Linux embedded developer, or Linux embedded hacker ? There has been interest in these topics at the Penguins Unbound User Group. But I don't have recent experience with these, and don't have access to a Google phone :( If you have experience in these topics and would be will to come speak that would be greatly appreciated. You don't need to do a whole presentation, I am hoping to have a few different people talk about Linux on a few different embedded devices. So if you could just show up, tell a little about the project, and then answer questions that would be great. I would be more than happy to help any one out that need help putting together notes, I would even be willing to talk for you as long as you could answers questions. Thanks. ==>brian. From tclug at lizakowski.com Thu May 14 13:00:27 2009 From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy) Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 13:00:27 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux, Google Android && other devices. In-Reply-To: <4A0BAF8D.7030201@Goecke-Dolan.com> References: <4A0BAF8D.7030201@Goecke-Dolan.com> Message-ID: <200905141300.27671.tclug@lizakowski.com> > I am looking for someone that has experience with Google Android and or Brian, You might want to ask Justin Grammens - he is working with Android and has given talks about it, and is also leading a mobile group called mobile twin cities He would be a good resource. http://www.localtone.com/ http://mobiletwincities.com/ Jeremy On Thursday 14 May 2009 12:43:41 am Brian Dolan-Goecke wrote: > I am looking for someone that has experience with Google Android and or > someone with experience with Linux on other embedded devices. Did you > load Linux on your PDA ? on your pictures frame ? > > Are you a Linux embedded developer, or Linux embedded hacker ? > > There has been interest in these topics at the Penguins Unbound User > Group. But I don't have recent experience with these, and don't have > access to a Google phone :( > > If you have experience in these topics and would be will to come speak > that would be greatly appreciated. You don't need to do a whole > presentation, I am hoping to have a few different people talk about > Linux on a few different embedded devices. So if you could just show > up, tell a little about the project, and then answer questions that > would be great. I would be more than happy to help any one out that > need help putting together notes, I would even be willing to talk for > you as long as you could answers questions. > > Thanks. > > ==>brian. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From trieff at greencaremankato.com Fri May 15 11:10:22 2009 From: trieff at greencaremankato.com (Thomas Rieff) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 11:10:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Zimbra??? Message-ID: TCLUG, What are people using for an exchange server??? I was reading about Zimbra. I have heard about Evolution. Anything else??? Our office is still windows 2000, but have some Ubuntu desktops and servers running. Tom Thomas Rieff GreenCare 1717 3rd Avenue Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 344-8314 Office (507) 344-8316 Fax -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anything > else???* > > *Our office is still windows 2000, but have some Ubuntu desktops and > servers running.* > > *Tom* > > * * > > Thomas Rieff > > *GreenCare* > > *1717 3rd Avenue* > > *Mankato, MN 56001* > > *(507) 344-8314 Office* > > *(507) 344-8316 Fax* > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090515/ac9c4e54/attachment.htm From dniesen at gmail.com Fri May 15 13:58:18 2009 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 13:58:18 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Zimbra??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47f4d5e70905151158y3a03a9ces52bc3e9624649f29@mail.gmail.com> On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Thomas Rieff wrote: > TCLUG, > > What are people using for an exchange server??? > > I was reading about Zimbra. I have heard about Evolution. Anything else??? > > Our office is still windows 2000, but have some Ubuntu desktops and servers > running. > > Tom > > > > Thomas Rieff > > GreenCare > > 1717 3rd Avenue > > Mankato, MN 56001 > > (507) 344-8314 Office > > (507) 344-8316 Fax > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > Zimbra is really slick if you can afford it. My company is using a hosted solution which has worked out pretty well as we couldn't justify the cost of a full server and licensing for a handful of mailboxes. However with Google Apps doing mobile sync I've considered migrating that way as well; especially since it integrates with our CRM app. Also, free is cheaper than cheap. -- Donovan Niesen From andyzib at gmail.com Fri May 15 14:14:14 2009 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 14:14:14 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Zimbra??? In-Reply-To: <38aa5b6a0905151101j234a3dd2w98a2014a880bc3e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <38aa5b6a0905151101j234a3dd2w98a2014a880bc3e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: For Exchange, we use Exchange. Somewhere in the 25,000-50,000 users area. I use Google Apps for your Domain for my personal domain (zibnet.us) and it works great. Google apps is great for under 50 users. Free, very acceptable web views, syncs with iCal, Outlook, whatever... -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com From kris.browne at gmail.com Fri May 15 15:21:20 2009 From: kris.browne at gmail.com (Kris Browne) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 15:21:20 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Zimbra??? In-Reply-To: References: <38aa5b6a0905151101j234a3dd2w98a2014a880bc3e5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8255989d0905151321q3fb36bf3h42457bd8d7a54fdc@mail.gmail.com> Zimbra community edition is Free just as much as Apache or Sendmail... What you get in exchange (pun intended) is you support it by community or by yourself. I have never had any issues with it, but I've only had as much as 5 people connecting. Outlook connectivity was perfect, IMAP was perfect, caldav was perfect... And you can deploy as easily as setting up a VM in vmware player or VirtualBox. The things worth considering: -What is your downtime worth? If you can take the time to fix it, then free is cool. If email downtime is lost money, look to a hosted solution or something with paid support (which could still be Zimbra in one of the paid editions). -What is your migration timeframe. If you need to have something up and running right away, a paid package might include migration support. If you can set it up in parallel and test it out the wazoo, any Free package is worth trying. -What is your comfort level with the platform, the language it's developed in, etc. I have had to dig into Free groupware apps to fix bugs that were annoying me in the past, as the developers don't always have the same priorities as you. If you have time to plan it out and make the case, setup a VM and deploy Zimbra, OpenXChnge, Citadel, etc and try them out, find out what you like, get to know the community and developers. This will help you feel out what you can expect later, and find any major tech issues before they arise with end users. Plus it's just fun. :) Kris Browne kris.browne at gmail.com 612-353-6969 612-408-4431 http://www.google.com/profiles/kris.browne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090515/73570fc3/attachment.htm From justin at localtone.com Fri May 15 18:51:02 2009 From: justin at localtone.com (Justin Grammens) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 18:51:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux, Google Android && other devices. In-Reply-To: <200905141300.27671.tclug@lizakowski.com> References: <4A0BAF8D.7030201@Goecke-Dolan.com> <200905141300.27671.tclug@lizakowski.com> Message-ID: Hi Brian, Yes, I'm currently working with Android and am scheduled to give a talk on it at the TCJUG on June 8th. http://www.intertech.com/UserGroups/JavaUserGroup.aspx I'd be more than happy to talk with you about the platform and any other mobile questions you have. Please feel free to ping me off the group mailing list and we'll talk more. Thanks, Justin --- Mobile & Web Software Development Localtone Interactive? ::: http://www.localtone.com office - 612.424.3663 ::: mobile - 612.722.2795 fax - 612.235.6467 ::: twitter / skype / im - justingrammens --- On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Jeremy wrote: > > I am looking for someone that has experience with Google Android and or > > Brian, > > You might want to ask Justin Grammens - he is working with Android and has > given talks about it, and is also leading a mobile group called mobile twin > cities He would be a good resource. > > http://www.localtone.com/ > http://mobiletwincities.com/ > > Jeremy > > On Thursday 14 May 2009 12:43:41 am Brian Dolan-Goecke wrote: > > I am looking for someone that has experience with Google Android and or > > someone with experience with Linux on other embedded devices. Did you > > load Linux on your PDA ? on your pictures frame ? > > > > Are you a Linux embedded developer, or Linux embedded hacker ? > > > > There has been interest in these topics at the Penguins Unbound User > > Group. But I don't have recent experience with these, and don't have > > access to a Google phone :( > > > > If you have experience in these topics and would be will to come speak > > that would be greatly appreciated. You don't need to do a whole > > presentation, I am hoping to have a few different people talk about > > Linux on a few different embedded devices. So if you could just show > > up, tell a little about the project, and then answer questions that > > would be great. I would be more than happy to help any one out that > > need help putting together notes, I would even be willing to talk for > > you as long as you could answers questions. > > > > Thanks. > > > > ==>brian. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090515/5606b98a/attachment.htm From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun May 17 09:35:00 2009 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 09:35:00 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Database diagraming tool Message-ID: <4A102094.6060709@mtu.net> I've been looking around for a database diagraming tool that runs under Linux, Windows and Mac. I've found a few both stand-alone and running inside Eclipse. Does anyone have suggestions from tools they've used? I just want something simple to draw the digrams and represent FK relationships and types. I don't need SQL generation, although that might be nice for other projects. The project this is for is written in Java, so I can guarantee that everyone using it will have Java and Eclipse. Thanks. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From coal at mailvault.com Sun May 17 15:03:05 2009 From: coal at mailvault.com (bwood) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 22:03:05 00200 (CEST) Subject: [tclug-list] C++ Middleware Writer - on line alternative to serialization libs Message-ID: <20090517200305.8770EB64147@gateway.mailvault.com> Shalom I'm working on an on line code generator that writes C++ middleware based on user input. Both Linux and Windows are supported. There's a comparison of the C++ Middleware Writer and the Boost Serialization library here -- http://webEbenezer.net/comparison.html. There are two interfaces available to Linux users: the web interface -- http://webEbenezer.net/cgi-bin/samb.cgi and a command line interface -- http://webEbenezer.net/build_integration.html. The web site is hosted in Austin, Texas where I used to live. I'm living in Saint Paul now and am available to give presentations of the software world-wide. Regards, Brian Wood Ebenezer Enterprises www.webEbenezer.net From haircut at gmail.com Mon May 18 23:28:46 2009 From: haircut at gmail.com (Adam Monsen) Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 23:28:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Database diagraming tool In-Reply-To: <4A102094.6060709@mtu.net> References: <4A102094.6060709@mtu.net> Message-ID: <1242707326.5795.10.camel@localhost> > I just want something simple to draw the digrams and represent FK > relationships and types. Try this: * Create a database schema * Use SchemaSpy to connect to the database and generate a navigable Web site describing the schema (including FK relationships, types, etc.) If you really want to draw diagrams by hand, you might try Inkscape, Dia, QCad, or OpenOffice.org Draw. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The schema can change based on an XML input file, so I want a few tables to be able to just be drawn by hand as a template of what they would look like. > If you really want to draw diagrams by hand, you might try Inkscape, > Dia, QCad, or OpenOffice.org Draw. > Those are all nice drawing programs, but none of them are specific enough for databases. I suppose OpenOffice.org Draw is probably the closest, but I'd still need to manage the size of the table boxes as I add columns. More specific requirements: - be able to represent a table - tables can be named - tables have a list of columns - columns can be linked to each other across tables - the table box needs to automatically get larger or smaller as columns are added or removed - the tool cannot use an existing database as it's sole input mechanism as some of the tables drawn will be templates. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From Bruce.Broecker at toro.com Tue May 19 08:06:38 2009 From: Bruce.Broecker at toro.com (Bruce Broecker) Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 08:06:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Database diagraming tool In-Reply-To: <4A12A122.7000303@mtu.net> References: <4A102094.6060709@mtu.net> <1242707326.5795.10.camel@localhost> <4A12A122.7000303@mtu.net> Message-ID: > Adam Monsen wrote: > >> I just want something simple to draw the digrams and represent FK > >> relationships and types. > >> > > > > Try this: > > * Create a database schema > > * Use SchemaSpy to connect to the database and generate a navigable > Web > > site describing the schema (including FK relationships, types, etc.) > > > > > Unfortunately that doesn't work for this project. The schema can change > based on an XML input file, so I want a few tables to be able to just > be > drawn by hand as a template of what they would look like. > > > If you really want to draw diagrams by hand, you might try Inkscape, > > Dia, QCad, or OpenOffice.org Draw. > > > Those are all nice drawing programs, but none of them are specific > enough for databases. I suppose OpenOffice.org Draw is probably the > closest, but I'd still need to manage the size of the table boxes as I > add columns. > > More specific requirements: > - be able to represent a table > - tables can be named > - tables have a list of columns > - columns can be linked to each other across tables > - the table box needs to automatically get larger or smaller as columns > are added or removed > - the tool cannot use an existing database as it's sole input mechanism > as some of the tables drawn will be templates. > > -- I've actually used OpenOffice Base for this purpose. It has basic database creation and diagramming functionality. Bruce This electronic message including any attachments ("Message") may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under trade secret and other applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, notify the sender immediately, permanently delete all copies of this Message, and be aware that examination, use, dissemination, duplication or disclosure of this Message is strictly prohibited. From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Wed May 20 15:26:03 2009 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:26:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Question & Answers @ PenguinsUnbound Linux Meeting May 30, 2009 Message-ID: <4A14675B.8080302@Goecke-Dolan.com> This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be Saturday May 30th at TIES, 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 from 10:00 am to 12:00pm (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more info.) This month the Penguins Unbound Meeting will be an Open Question and Answer. Please come and ask your questions, give some answers, and throw in any interesting bits of Linux info! Thanks. ==>brian. From bob.hartmann at gmail.com Fri May 22 22:58:12 2009 From: bob.hartmann at gmail.com (Bob Hartmann) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 22:58:12 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] I've got stuff... and a problem trying to place an ad Message-ID: First the problem: http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi I can't log in. I changed my password at http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi and still get an Oops! page logging in to place an ad. Something change that I'm not finding? ad preview: I have less than two, but more than one Indigo 2s and SGI software library (6.5). I have the necessary cables and even a NEC monitor that can go with it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090524/f5144ab8/attachment.htm From ash.1574 at hotmail.com Tue May 26 15:39:22 2009 From: ash.1574 at hotmail.com (Andrew Pietila) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 15:39:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] wanting to make an internet protocol Message-ID: I am currently in the process of making a new internet protocol, and I am in need of help. It is codenamed IPvN for internet protocol version nexten, my "company". Even if I can't make it widespread, I want to use it for my own personal networks in the future. Can some people help me with this project? Andrew Pietila Nerd of 2 worlds PS hotmail is not as good as it is said to be even in the linux community. It dosn't know how to send text messages. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_WhatsNew1_052009 From webmaster at mn-linux.org Tue May 26 21:52:17 2009 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:52:17 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200905270252.n4R2qH116340@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Free Subject: (2) squeezebox v1s i have a couple of squeezeboxen (SB1s to be precise) that i no longer have utility for. these are in great shape and have the sexy VFD displays. one of these has a wireless interface the other just the wired interface. if you look for the HardwareComparison topic on the slimdevices.com wiki, you'll get an idea of what these are capable of and the server software that you have to run in order to make them run. they both work fine last i fired them up and i'm pretty sure that i have a remote for the other one that's not pictured in the photo. Seller Email address: sulrich at gmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From sloncho at gmail.com Wed May 27 10:38:18 2009 From: sloncho at gmail.com (Sunny) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:38:18 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] wiki-type documentation software Message-ID: Hi, I have the following requirements: - I have a template documentation, which usually consists of several parts - including pictures, logo, specific sections, etc. I.e. and example layout li like this: Logo (static for all docs) Overview section (may change slightly, but most of the text is from the template), may include pictures, which may be different Detail Section 1 - text - may, or may not change ... Detail Section N - text - may or may not change Footer Now, I have to prepare a hierarchy of documents for each of our clients. Each client has "main" document, which inherits from the base template (as described above), but it may have changes in some of the sections, as well as to not have some sections at all (disabled). Also, each client may have "sub-versions" i.e. specific modifications of their main document for each (or some) of their branches. I was looking at docuwiki, twiki, etc., but I can not decide from the overviews if any of them will fit my needs. The clients will not edit the documents, they will be read only, we'll prepare the documents and expose them. Can someone propose other suggestions? A possible pdf creation of of the pages is a plus. I'm looking at open-source project with easy end user interface, so non-tech persons can easily manipulate the docs. Cheers -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Even the most advanced equipment in the hands of the ignorant is just a pile of scrap. From webmaster at mn-linux.org Wed May 27 11:11:57 2009 From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds) Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:11:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad Message-ID: <200905271611.n4RGBvU19158@crusader.real-time.com> New TCLUG Classified Ad Category: Computer Type of Ad: For Sale Subject: Intellistation 6224-33U I've got (as the title indicates) an Intellistation A Pro that I'm not doing much with anymore, and perhaps somebody else can make use of it. Similar configs (minus the goodies like the hardware RAID controller and the quad GigE card) are going for $250-$300 on eBay right now, but I'm willing to entertain offers. Dual Opteron 248 (2.2Ghz) Onboard IBM ServeRAID dual-channel Ultra320 controller 3GB ECC DDR400 4 10k 36 Ultra320 SCSI Drives 2 SATA ports onboard DVD Rom Quadro FX 1100 Intel Pro/1000 MT PCI-X quad port GigE adapter Dell Perc4DC PCI-X dual-channel Ultra320 controller with 128MB battery backed cache (on a different PCI-X bus) I'll throw in a couple 10k SCA drives with Compaq sleds (36GB U320), a 10k 18GB 68 pin U320 drive, a Sun Quad Fast Ethernet (4 port 10/100, 64 bit/66mhz PCI), and I think I've got a QLA2100 or two around here. Any operating system you like. Licensed versions of Win2k3, Win2k8, XP Pro. SQL Server developer edition 2k5, VS2008/VS2005/VS2003. any distribution of Linux/OpenSolaris/*BSD (OpenSolaris is a little touchy -- acpi-user-options=0x8 needs to be passed to leave it in legacy mode, but I could certainly set it to dump that in grub.conf on every update). 400GB SATA drives (2) available for $25 each if you pick up the system. Currently running Fedora 11 with the FC12 xendom0 kernel, but that can be changed upon request. Seller Email address: phresus at gmail dot com http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Thu May 28 01:17:34 2009 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 01:17:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] * Saturday * Question & Answers @ PenguinsUnbound Linux Meeting May 30, 2009 Message-ID: <4A1E2C7E.5030307@Goecke-Dolan.com> This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be Saturday May 30th at TIES, 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 from 10:00 am to 12:00pm (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more info.) This month the Penguins Unbound Meeting will be an Open Question and Answer. Please come and ask your questions, give some answers, and throw in any interesting bits of Linux info! Thanks. ==>brian. From tclug at lizakowski.com Thu May 28 13:31:17 2009 From: tclug at lizakowski.com (Jeremy) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:31:17 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] wanting to make an internet protocol In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200905281331.17397.tclug@lizakowski.com> Could you post some information about the protocol? In order to become a standard, it will involve a lot of public review. Jeremy On Tuesday 26 May 2009 3:39:22 pm Andrew Pietila wrote: > I am currently in the process of making a new internet protocol, and I am > in need of help. It is codenamed IPvN for internet protocol version nexten, > my "company". Even if I can't make it widespread, I want to use it for my > own personal networks in the future. Can some people help me with this > project? Andrew Pietila > Nerd of 2 worlds > > PS hotmail is not as good as it is said to be even in the linux community. > It dosn't know how to send text messages. > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail? has a new way to see what's up with your friends. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutor >ial_WhatsNew1_052009 _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From aristophrenic at warpmail.net Thu May 28 13:55:50 2009 From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:55:50 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] wanting to make an internet protocol In-Reply-To: <200905281331.17397.tclug@lizakowski.com> References: <200905281331.17397.tclug@lizakowski.com> Message-ID: <1243536950.24791.1317690151@webmail.messagingengine.com> On Thu, 28 May 2009 13:31:17 -0500, "Jeremy" said: > In order to become a standard, it will involve a lot of public review. > On Tuesday 26 May 2009 3:39:22 pm Andrew Pietila wrote: > > I am currently in the process of making a new internet protocol, and I am > > in need of help. It is codenamed IPvN for internet protocol version nexten, > > my "company". From jpschewe at mtu.net Thu May 28 17:11:30 2009 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:11:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Odd problem with system clock Message-ID: <4A1F0C12.5010009@mtu.net> I've got an opensuse 11.0 system with kernel 2.6.25 and I'm finding that with or without ntp running the system clock falls way behind. Checking hwclock shows the correct time, but date is hours behind. Right after ntp starts up I see this: jen:/home/jpschewe # ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter ============================================================================== ntp2.lax-noc.co 204.123.2.5 2 u 19 64 1 16.088 127006. 3.906 skywiley.com 192.43.244.18 2 u 18 64 1 16.285 130991. 3.906 tesla.fireduck. 132.239.1.6 2 u 17 64 1 13.431 134998. 3.906 At this point I've just set the system time to match the hardware clock and it's within a minute of reality, however that offset column seem way to large for something this close. Anyone got any ideas? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From jus at krytosvirus.com Thu May 28 19:29:13 2009 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (jus at krytosvirus.com) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 00:29:13 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Odd problem with system clock Message-ID: <1887181747-1243557166-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-141520531-@bxe1154.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Is it running on vmware by chance? ------Original Message------ From: Jon Schewe Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org To: TCLUG List Subject: [tclug-list] Odd problem with system clock Sent: May 28, 2009 5:11 PM I've got an opensuse 11.0 system with kernel 2.6.25 and I'm finding that with or without ntp running the system clock falls way behind. Checking hwclock shows the correct time, but date is hours behind. Right after ntp starts up I see this: jen:/home/jpschewe # ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter ============================================================================== ntp2.lax-noc.co 204.123.2.5 2 u 19 64 1 16.088 127006. 3.906 skywiley.com 192.43.244.18 2 u 18 64 1 16.285 130991. 3.906 tesla.fireduck. 132.239.1.6 2 u 17 64 1 13.431 134998. 3.906 At this point I've just set the system time to match the hardware clock and it's within a minute of reality, however that offset column seem way to large for something this close. Anyone got any ideas? -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From jpschewe at mtu.net Thu May 28 21:20:11 2009 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:20:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Odd problem with system clock In-Reply-To: <1887181747-1243557166-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-141520531-@bxe1154.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1887181747-1243557166-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-141520531-@bxe1154.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4A1F465B.9090008@mtu.net> Nope. jus at krytosvirus.com wrote: > Is it running on vmware by chance? > > ------Original Message------ > From: Jon Schewe > Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > To: TCLUG List > Subject: [tclug-list] Odd problem with system clock > Sent: May 28, 2009 5:11 PM > > I've got an opensuse 11.0 system with kernel 2.6.25 and I'm finding that > with or without ntp running the system clock falls way behind. Checking > hwclock shows the correct time, but date is hours behind. Right after > ntp starts up I see this: > jen:/home/jpschewe # ntpq -p > remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset > jitter > ============================================================================== > ntp2.lax-noc.co 204.123.2.5 2 u 19 64 1 16.088 127006. > 3.906 > skywiley.com 192.43.244.18 2 u 18 64 1 16.285 130991. > 3.906 > tesla.fireduck. 132.239.1.6 2 u 17 64 1 13.431 134998. > 3.906 > > At this point I've just set the system time to match the hardware clock > and it's within a minute of reality, however that offset column seem way > to large for something this close. > > Anyone got any ideas? > > -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From jpschewe at mtu.net Thu May 28 21:22:28 2009 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:22:28 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Odd problem with system clock In-Reply-To: <4A1F0C12.5010009@mtu.net> References: <4A1F0C12.5010009@mtu.net> Message-ID: <4A1F46E4.2090008@mtu.net> So I set the clock at 17:05 to match the hardware clock and it's been running about 4 hours now with ntp and here's what I've got. jpschewe at jen:~> date Thu May 28 17:56:36 CDT 2009 jen:/home/jpschewe # hwclock Thu 28 May 2009 09:18:40 PM CDT -0.060009 seconds jen:/home/jpschewe # ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter ============================================================================== ntp2.lax-noc.co 204.123.2.5 2 u 21 64 377 15.170 1219819 1154510 skywiley.com 192.43.244.18 2 u 3 64 377 11.136 1227014 1151437 tesla.fireduck. 132.239.1.6 2 u 64 64 377 11.946 1202625 1138791 Jon Schewe wrote: > I've got an opensuse 11.0 system with kernel 2.6.25 and I'm finding that > with or without ntp running the system clock falls way behind. Checking > hwclock shows the correct time, but date is hours behind. Right after > ntp starts up I see this: > jen:/home/jpschewe # ntpq -p > remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset > jitter > ============================================================================== > ntp2.lax-noc.co 204.123.2.5 2 u 19 64 1 16.088 127006. > 3.906 > skywiley.com 192.43.244.18 2 u 18 64 1 16.285 130991. > 3.906 > tesla.fireduck. 132.239.1.6 2 u 17 64 1 13.431 134998. > 3.906 > > At this point I've just set the system time to match the hardware clock > and it's within a minute of reality, however that offset column seem way > to large for something this close. > > Anyone got any ideas? > > -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 8:38-39 From dirk at cloudmade.com Fri May 29 11:34:35 2009 From: dirk at cloudmade.com (Dirk Munson) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 17:34:35 +0100 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenStreetMap Message-ID: Dear all- Pleased to announce a get-together this weekend for OpenStreetMap. If you're unfamiliar, OpenStreetMap is 'the Wikipedia of maps' a free open source geo database of the entire world. Our 120,000+ contributors use OSM to find and share a variety of map features. (hiking trails, biking trails, POIs, and much more) http://openstreetmap.org We're starting to cultivate a community for OSM in Minnesota. We're holding one of our first Twin Cities events this Saturday (shortly after the Penguins Unbound meeting). It's at Overflow Espresso Caf?; 2929 University Ave SE in Minneapolis, close to U of M. All are welcomed, it's fun, it's free, you can help. The event page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Twin_cities_mapping_party_may_2009 We'll be getting new and experienced mappers together for some discussion, fun, and some mapping. Feel free to bring your laptop and/or GPS. We'll also have a few GPS units to lend out. No worries if you can't make it to this weekend's event, we hope this will be the first of many get-togethers for OSM in the Twin Cities. To say up to date on our efforts, please join the MeetUp group: http://www.meetup.com/Twin-Cities-OpenStreetMappers/ Please drop me a line if you have any questions or suggestions. Best, Dirk Dirk Munson || Community Ambassador || OpenStreetMap.org || 773.263.2688 || twitter: @themapguy From stuporglue at gmail.com Fri May 29 11:56:46 2009 From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 11:56:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenStreetMap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Dirk Munson wrote: > Dear all- > > Pleased to announce a get-together this weekend for OpenStreetMap. ... > Feel free to bring your laptop and/or GPS. ?We'll > also have a few GPS units to lend out. As a first time mapper, is there any particular software I should have on my laptop before I get there? Thanks, -- Michael Moore ------------------------- Share your families' genealogy and family history books. It's easy and free : http://bookscanned.com From dirk at cloudmade.com Fri May 29 12:23:16 2009 From: dirk at cloudmade.com (Dirk Munson) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 18:23:16 +0100 Subject: [tclug-list] OpenStreetMap In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 5/29/09 11:56 AM, "Michael Moore" wrote: > On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Dirk Munson wrote: >> Dear all- >> >> Pleased to announce a get-together this weekend for OpenStreetMap. > ... >> Feel free to bring your laptop and/or GPS. ?We'll >> also have a few GPS units to lend out. > > As a first time mapper, is there any particular software I should have > on my laptop before I get there? Nope, no software needed, we'll be uploading via the online API. We can run you through using it (easy, once you get the hang of it). There are several other editors out there (online and offline), more info here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org Please let me know how else I can help. Cheers, -Dirk Dirk Munson || Community Ambassador || OpenStreetMap.org || 773.263.2688 || twitter: @themapguy From ash.1574 at hotmail.com Fri May 29 12:48:00 2009 From: ash.1574 at hotmail.com (Andrew Pietila) Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:48:00 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] wanting to make an internet protocol In-Reply-To: <1243536950.24791.1317690151@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <200905281331.17397.tclug@lizakowski.com> <1243536950.24791.1317690151@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: > From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net > To: tclug at lizakowski.com; tclug-list at mn-linux.org; robinstar1574 at nexten.org > Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:55:50 -0500 > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] wanting to make an internet protocol > > > On Thu, 28 May 2009 13:31:17 -0500, "Jeremy" > said: > > In order to become a standard, it will involve a lot of public review. > > On Tuesday 26 May 2009 3:39:22 pm Andrew Pietila wrote: > > > I am currently in the process of making a new internet protocol, and I am > > > in need of help. It is codenamed IPvN for internet protocol version nexten, > > > my "company". > > From the sounds of it, it won't need to be a standard. > I'm just curious as to why you would want to create a new network > protocol. Generally this is done to address inherent limitations in an > existing protocol. > What exactly is the problem you're trying to solve through the creation > of a new protocol? > ease the burden on computers with a few specialized types of packets. I let someone borrow the standard, so I'm going to have to hunt him down. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? has ever-growing storage! Don?t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage1_052009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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IT Manager 600 Inwood Ave. N., Suite 160 l Oakdale, MN 55128 l Direct (651) 925-1500 l Cell: (612) 850-6940 l Fax: (651) 925-1560 l Email: bob at grunners.com ________________________________ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Pietila Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 12:48 PM To: aristophrenic at warpmail.net; tclug at lizakowski.com; tclug-list at mn-linux.org; robinstar1574 at nexten.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] wanting to make an internet protocol > From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net > To: tclug at lizakowski.com; tclug-list at mn-linux.org; robinstar1574 at nexten.org > Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 13:55:50 -0500 > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] wanting to make an internet protocol > > > On Thu, 28 May 2009 13:31:17 -0500, "Jeremy" > said: > > In order to become a standard, it will involve a lot of public review. > > On Tuesday 26 May 2009 3:39:22 pm Andrew Pietila wrote: > > > I am currently in the process of making a new internet protocol, and I am > > > in need of help. It is codenamed IPvN for internet protocol version nexten, > > > my "company". > > From the sounds of it, it won't need to be a standard. > I'm just curious as to why you would want to create a new network > protocol. Generally this is done to address inherent limitations in an > existing protocol. > What exactly is the problem you're trying to solve through the creation > of a new protocol? > ease the burden on computers with a few specialized types of packets. I let someone borrow the standard, so I'm going to have to hunt him down. ________________________________ Hotmail(r) has ever-growing storage! Don't worry about storage limits. Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20090529/e5ba8014/attachment.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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