From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Tue Sep  1 00:50:47 2009
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 00:50:47 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Slow transfers from Samba to Windows 7 and Vista
Message-ID: <E91B3B6A-1F5D-4E00-A48E-86D7DF99780A@cwis.biz>

I'm having painfully slow transfers from my FreeBSD 6.3 ia64 running  
Samba 3.3 to Vista (between 1KiBps to 15KiBps) and also to Windows 7  
(50KiBps to 250 KiBps) and I've tried all the windows corrections up  
and down the board to no avail. I've finally given up on fixing  
Windows, so it must be my Samba installation.

I'm fairly certain I have not forgotten anything from the file except  
4 fileshares that are unrelated to the issue. Archive is a 6.4TB RAID5  
(7x1TB drives) that runs blazingly fast in local as well as internet  
traffic.

All components (Windows 7, Vista and FreeBSD) are connected through an  
Airport Extreme, but this slowness was experienced even on a basic  
10/100 switch so it is not solely a problem with the Airport. Also  
direct connection did not work and Firewire support was dropped in  
Vista so there was no alternate "ethernet" option available to me.  
File transfers from my MacBook Pro perform as expected, with speeds  
ranging from 5MB/sec to 30MB/sec depending on the connect type.

Any and all advice would be most appreciative.

TIA,
Ryan

smb.conf:
[global]
         dns proxy = no
         log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m
         load printers = yes
         server string = UnixBox2
         workgroup = WORKGROUP
         os level = 20
         encrypt passwords = yes
         security = share
         max log size = 50

[homes]
    comment = Home Directories
    browseable = no
    writable = yes


[archive]
         delete readonly = yes
         writeable = yes
         path = /mount/archive
         only user = yes
         force directory mode = 755
         force group = wheel
         force create mode = 755
         force user = ryan
         public = yes
         allow hosts = 10.0.1.0/24

[www]
         writeable = yes
         path = /usr/www
         force directory mode = 755
         force group = wheel
         force create mode = 755
         force user = ryan
         valid users = ryan


From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Tue Sep  1 01:19:52 2009
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 01:19:52 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Slow transfers from Samba to Windows 7 and Vista
In-Reply-To: <4A9CBC76.2000104@e-skinner.net>
References: <E91B3B6A-1F5D-4E00-A48E-86D7DF99780A@cwis.biz>
	<4A9CBC76.2000104@e-skinner.net>
Message-ID: <F78349B3-3CFF-4A46-B412-7D2420DDD1D7@cwis.biz>

Thanks I'll try it tomorrow when I have time in the evening.

On Sep 1, 2009, at 1:17, Marc Skinner <marc at e-skinner.net> wrote:

> look at the "socket options" in smb.conf i have mine set as:
>
> socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192
>
> i would also check the duplex and auto-neg setting on the samba  
> server.
> i would hard set them as well.
>
> my 2 cents.
>
> On 09/01/2009 12:50 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>> I'm having painfully slow transfers from my FreeBSD 6.3 ia64 running
>> Samba 3.3 to Vista (between 1KiBps to 15KiBps) and also to Windows 7
>> (50KiBps to 250 KiBps) and I've tried all the windows corrections up
>> and down the board to no avail. I've finally given up on fixing
>> Windows, so it must be my Samba installation.
>>
>> I'm fairly certain I have not forgotten anything from the file except
>> 4 fileshares that are unrelated to the issue. Archive is a 6.4TB  
>> RAID5
>> (7x1TB drives) that runs blazingly fast in local as well as internet
>> traffic.
>>
>> All components (Windows 7, Vista and FreeBSD) are connected through  
>> an
>> Airport Extreme, but this slowness was experienced even on a basic
>> 10/100 switch so it is not solely a problem with the Airport. Also
>> direct connection did not work and Firewire support was dropped in
>> Vista so there was no alternate "ethernet" option available to me.
>> File transfers from my MacBook Pro perform as expected, with speeds
>> ranging from 5MB/sec to 30MB/sec depending on the connect type.
>>
>> Any and all advice would be most appreciative.
>>
>> TIA,
>> Ryan
>>
>> smb.conf:
>> [global]
>>         dns proxy = no
>>         log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m
>>         load printers = yes
>>         server string = UnixBox2
>>         workgroup = WORKGROUP
>>         os level = 20
>>         encrypt passwords = yes
>>         security = share
>>         max log size = 50
>>
>> [homes]
>>    comment = Home Directories
>>    browseable = no
>>    writable = yes
>>
>>
>> [archive]
>>         delete readonly = yes
>>         writeable = yes
>>         path = /mount/archive
>>         only user = yes
>>         force directory mode = 755
>>         force group = wheel
>>         force create mode = 755
>>         force user = ryan
>>         public = yes
>>         allow hosts = 10.0.1.0/24
>>
>> [www]
>>         writeable = yes
>>         path = /usr/www
>>         force directory mode = 755
>>         force group = wheel
>>         force create mode = 755
>>         force user = ryan
>>         valid users = ryan
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>


From marc at e-skinner.net  Tue Sep  1 01:17:26 2009
From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 01:17:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Slow transfers from Samba to Windows 7 and Vista
In-Reply-To: <E91B3B6A-1F5D-4E00-A48E-86D7DF99780A@cwis.biz>
References: <E91B3B6A-1F5D-4E00-A48E-86D7DF99780A@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <4A9CBC76.2000104@e-skinner.net>

look at the "socket options" in smb.conf i have mine set as:

socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192

i would also check the duplex and auto-neg setting on the samba server. 
i would hard set them as well.

my 2 cents.

On 09/01/2009 12:50 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> I'm having painfully slow transfers from my FreeBSD 6.3 ia64 running  
> Samba 3.3 to Vista (between 1KiBps to 15KiBps) and also to Windows 7  
> (50KiBps to 250 KiBps) and I've tried all the windows corrections up  
> and down the board to no avail. I've finally given up on fixing  
> Windows, so it must be my Samba installation.
>
> I'm fairly certain I have not forgotten anything from the file except  
> 4 fileshares that are unrelated to the issue. Archive is a 6.4TB RAID5  
> (7x1TB drives) that runs blazingly fast in local as well as internet  
> traffic.
>
> All components (Windows 7, Vista and FreeBSD) are connected through an  
> Airport Extreme, but this slowness was experienced even on a basic  
> 10/100 switch so it is not solely a problem with the Airport. Also  
> direct connection did not work and Firewire support was dropped in  
> Vista so there was no alternate "ethernet" option available to me.  
> File transfers from my MacBook Pro perform as expected, with speeds  
> ranging from 5MB/sec to 30MB/sec depending on the connect type.
>
> Any and all advice would be most appreciative.
>
> TIA,
> Ryan
>
> smb.conf:
> [global]
>          dns proxy = no
>          log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m
>          load printers = yes
>          server string = UnixBox2
>          workgroup = WORKGROUP
>          os level = 20
>          encrypt passwords = yes
>          security = share
>          max log size = 50
>
> [homes]
>     comment = Home Directories
>     browseable = no
>     writable = yes
>
>
> [archive]
>          delete readonly = yes
>          writeable = yes
>          path = /mount/archive
>          only user = yes
>          force directory mode = 755
>          force group = wheel
>          force create mode = 755
>          force user = ryan
>          public = yes
>          allow hosts = 10.0.1.0/24
>
> [www]
>          writeable = yes
>          path = /usr/www
>          force directory mode = 755
>          force group = wheel
>          force create mode = 755
>          force user = ryan
>          valid users = ryan
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>   



From nesius at gmail.com  Tue Sep  1 09:12:27 2009
From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 09:12:27 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Slow transfers from Samba to Windows 7 and Vista
In-Reply-To: <4A9CBC76.2000104@e-skinner.net>
References: <E91B3B6A-1F5D-4E00-A48E-86D7DF99780A@cwis.biz>
	<4A9CBC76.2000104@e-skinner.net>
Message-ID: <cac10ddc0909010712v2c42c20cg3a5f53f03aecb3e3@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:17 AM, Marc Skinner <marc at e-skinner.net> wrote:
> i would also check the duplex and auto-neg setting on the samba server.
> i would hard set them as well.

Marc,

You nailed the one thing that came to mind for me too - I've seen
mysterious/slow through-puts before and it's always been mis-matched duplex
settings for me.  Plus, first rule of debugging stuff like this - "Start at
the physical layer."

Ryan,

Have you tried other file-transfer protocols?  i.e., ftp or copying a file
using ssh or rsync?   If those were fast while SMB was slow, then debugging
service-configs would be the place to look.  If those are slow too, look at
the physical layer.  I know you're using an airport extreme, but are you
hooked up to it with physical cables or is everything going wireless?  I
suspect you have wired connections but if not that does change things a
bit.

When you tried your direct connection that failed to work, were you using a
cross-over cable?

While your description of your setup was pretty good, there are still points
of ambiguity - if the problem still exists after your next round of
debugging draw a picture of your network config.

-Rob

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:17 AM, Marc Skinner <marc at e-skinner.net> wrote:

> look at the "socket options" in smb.conf i have mine set as:
>
> socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192
>
> i would also check the duplex and auto-neg setting on the samba server.
> i would hard set them as well.
>
> my 2 cents.
>
> On 09/01/2009 12:50 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> > I'm having painfully slow transfers from my FreeBSD 6.3 ia64 running
> > Samba 3.3 to Vista (between 1KiBps to 15KiBps) and also to Windows 7
> > (50KiBps to 250 KiBps) and I've tried all the windows corrections up
> > and down the board to no avail. I've finally given up on fixing
> > Windows, so it must be my Samba installation.
> >
> > I'm fairly certain I have not forgotten anything from the file except
> > 4 fileshares that are unrelated to the issue. Archive is a 6.4TB RAID5
> > (7x1TB drives) that runs blazingly fast in local as well as internet
> > traffic.
> >
> > All components (Windows 7, Vista and FreeBSD) are connected through an
> > Airport Extreme, but this slowness was experienced even on a basic
> > 10/100 switch so it is not solely a problem with the Airport. Also
> > direct connection did not work and Firewire support was dropped in
> > Vista so there was no alternate "ethernet" option available to me.
> > File transfers from my MacBook Pro perform as expected, with speeds
> > ranging from 5MB/sec to 30MB/sec depending on the connect type.
> >
> > Any and all advice would be most appreciative.
> >
> > TIA,
> > Ryan
> >
> > smb.conf:
> > [global]
> >          dns proxy = no
> >          log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m
> >          load printers = yes
> >          server string = UnixBox2
> >          workgroup = WORKGROUP
> >          os level = 20
> >          encrypt passwords = yes
> >          security = share
> >          max log size = 50
> >
> > [homes]
> >     comment = Home Directories
> >     browseable = no
> >     writable = yes
> >
> >
> > [archive]
> >          delete readonly = yes
> >          writeable = yes
> >          path = /mount/archive
> >          only user = yes
> >          force directory mode = 755
> >          force group = wheel
> >          force create mode = 755
> >          force user = ryan
> >          public = yes
> >          allow hosts = 10.0.1.0/24
> >
> > [www]
> >          writeable = yes
> >          path = /usr/www
> >          force directory mode = 755
> >          force group = wheel
> >          force create mode = 755
> >          force user = ryan
> >          valid users = ryan
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From nesius at gmail.com  Tue Sep  1 10:36:09 2009
From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 10:36:09 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Analysis of SCO/Novell proceedings...
Message-ID: <cac10ddc0909010836l1ec228eam6a8aa6871e6d21d1@mail.gmail.com>

Linux World has a very well written article about what the recent ruling in
favor of SCO portends for the future.

http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/sco-will-try-again

Worth the read for those interested in these proceedings.

-Rob
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Tue Sep  1 10:41:37 2009
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 10:41:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Slow transfers from Samba to Windows 7 and Vista
In-Reply-To: <cac10ddc0909010712v2c42c20cg3a5f53f03aecb3e3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E91B3B6A-1F5D-4E00-A48E-86D7DF99780A@cwis.biz>
	<4A9CBC76.2000104@e-skinner.net>
	<cac10ddc0909010712v2c42c20cg3a5f53f03aecb3e3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E139BDEF-49F0-4648-8B3C-AE86D00EFEBC@cwis.biz>

Robert,

1) Yes, but not from that machine. Other systems have not had issues  
and this particular computer downloads off 8Mb cable at full throttle  
in SMB over VPN, FTP, WWW and SMTP.

2) All connections are wired. CAT-5e and CAT-6 cables, used a  
crossover when testing direct transfer, too, but that cable has been  
lost since the the test in April (IIRC, I don't need a XO for gigabit  
anyway).

I'm home sick today, and I might get the strength to get out of bed  
and sit at the computer soon. RDP is available but I am not that  
lazy ;-)

Thanks again,
Ryan

On Sep 1, 2009, at 9:12 AM, Robert Nesius wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:17 AM, Marc Skinner <marc at e-skinner.net>  
> wrote:
> > i would also check the duplex and auto-neg setting on the samba  
> server.
> > i would hard set them as well.
>
> Marc,
>
> You nailed the one thing that came to mind for me too - I've seen  
> mysterious/slow through-puts before and it's always been mis-matched  
> duplex settings for me.  Plus, first rule of debugging stuff like  
> this - "Start at the physical layer."
>
> Ryan,
>
> Have you tried other file-transfer protocols?  i.e., ftp or copying  
> a file using ssh or rsync?   If those were fast while SMB was slow,  
> then debugging service-configs would be the place to look.  If those  
> are slow too, look at the physical layer.  I know you're using an  
> airport extreme, but are you hooked up to it with physical cables or  
> is everything going wireless?  I suspect you have wired connections  
> but if not that does change things a bit.
>
> When you tried your direct connection that failed to work, were you  
> using a cross-over cable?
>
> While your description of your setup was pretty good, there are  
> still points of ambiguity - if the problem still exists after your  
> next round of debugging draw a picture of your network config.
>
> -Rob
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:17 AM, Marc Skinner <marc at e-skinner.net>  
> wrote:
> look at the "socket options" in smb.conf i have mine set as:
>
> socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192
>
> i would also check the duplex and auto-neg setting on the samba  
> server.
> i would hard set them as well.
>
> my 2 cents.
>
> On 09/01/2009 12:50 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> > I'm having painfully slow transfers from my FreeBSD 6.3 ia64 running
> > Samba 3.3 to Vista (between 1KiBps to 15KiBps) and also to Windows 7
> > (50KiBps to 250 KiBps) and I've tried all the windows corrections up
> > and down the board to no avail. I've finally given up on fixing
> > Windows, so it must be my Samba installation.
> >
> > I'm fairly certain I have not forgotten anything from the file  
> except
> > 4 fileshares that are unrelated to the issue. Archive is a 6.4TB  
> RAID5
> > (7x1TB drives) that runs blazingly fast in local as well as internet
> > traffic.
> >
> > All components (Windows 7, Vista and FreeBSD) are connected  
> through an
> > Airport Extreme, but this slowness was experienced even on a basic
> > 10/100 switch so it is not solely a problem with the Airport. Also
> > direct connection did not work and Firewire support was dropped in
> > Vista so there was no alternate "ethernet" option available to me.
> > File transfers from my MacBook Pro perform as expected, with speeds
> > ranging from 5MB/sec to 30MB/sec depending on the connect type.
> >
> > Any and all advice would be most appreciative.
> >
> > TIA,
> > Ryan
> >
> > smb.conf:
> > [global]
> >          dns proxy = no
> >          log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m
> >          load printers = yes
> >          server string = UnixBox2
> >          workgroup = WORKGROUP
> >          os level = 20
> >          encrypt passwords = yes
> >          security = share
> >          max log size = 50
> >
> > [homes]
> >     comment = Home Directories
> >     browseable = no
> >     writable = yes
> >
> >
> > [archive]
> >          delete readonly = yes
> >          writeable = yes
> >          path = /mount/archive
> >          only user = yes
> >          force directory mode = 755
> >          force group = wheel
> >          force create mode = 755
> >          force user = ryan
> >          public = yes
> >          allow hosts = 10.0.1.0/24
> >
> > [www]
> >          writeable = yes
> >          path = /usr/www
> >          force directory mode = 755
> >          force group = wheel
> >          force create mode = 755
> >          force user = ryan
> >          valid users = ryan
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

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From chrome at real-time.com  Tue Sep  1 16:14:28 2009
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 16:14:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Analysis of SCO/Novell proceedings...
In-Reply-To: <cac10ddc0909010836l1ec228eam6a8aa6871e6d21d1@mail.gmail.com>;
	from nesius@gmail.com on Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 10:36:09AM -0500
References: <cac10ddc0909010836l1ec228eam6a8aa6871e6d21d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090901161428.P1695@real-time.com>

On 09/01 10:36 , Robert Nesius wrote:
> Linux World has a very well written article about what the recent ruling in
> favor of SCO portends for the future.
> 
> http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/sco-will-try-again
> 
> Worth the read for those interested in these proceedings.

SCO is the zombie company... just when you think it's dead and forgotten,
we need to kill it some more. Glad to see a really insightful and incisive
article on the topic.

-- 
Carl Soderstrom
Systems Administrator
Real-Time Enterprises
www.real-time.com


From jjensen at apache.org  Tue Sep  1 17:25:30 2009
From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 16:25:30 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Disk controllers and external disk enclosures
In-Reply-To: <429c5ec20908241106wbeb6b44s6283f0e52938a941@mail.gmail.com>
References: <web-15972558@mailback2.g2host.com>
	<1251079877.3712.98.camel@deepthinker.poptix.net>
	<web-19183579@mailback1.g2host.com>
	<429c5ec20908241106wbeb6b44s6283f0e52938a941@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <web-19352994@mailback1.g2host.com>

Thanks a bunch for the backup recs.? I finally succeeded 
with BackupPC today...it backed up my main server, and the 
web GUI works.? Regretfully, the docs are a bit sporadic, 
so I struggled quite a bit with  lacking some expertise 
(they are enough to get me going, but lacks specific 
details that other-product-manual reading, Googling, etc. 
can help, but not always).? The fun thing is I learned 
some more stuff!

I almost gave up on it a couple of times, and looked into 
some other to  possibly use instead. I was thinking of 
trying  Bacula first.? Some others I was looking into are 
 Amanda,  Dirvish, and SafeKeep (there are a lot of them 
out there!).? The first couple are pretty deluxe and the 
last 2 are more bare.? While I plan to  keep using 
BackupPC  (unless something deters me!), I'm curious if 
anyone has opinions on those or others?


On Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:06:58 -0500
  greg wm <tclug1 at greatlakedata.com> wrote:
> j-
> i use BackupPC <http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/> (for 
>pull situations) and
> storebackup/sshfs 
><http://www.nongnu.org/storebackup/node51.html> (for
> push).
> -g
> 
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jeff Jensen 
><jjensen at apache.org> wrote:
> 
>> Matt - yep, have backups; thanks for making sure.  For
>> this new setup, I plan to copy the data to a system I 
>>just
>> setup for that (another old box not good for anything 
>>but
>> Linux!).  For my prior system, I was just rsyncing.  Do
>> you have a rec for a program that has a better managed
>> approach?



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Wed Sep  2 23:14:53 2009
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 23:14:53 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200909030414.n834ErM04074@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: Want to Buy

Subject: iMac Tiger OSX 10

Looking for the OS to reload for a virus stricken iMac.

Please email me at:

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From andyzib at gmail.com  Thu Sep  3 15:45:45 2009
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 15:45:45 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Backup to the cloud
Message-ID: <cac45c240909031345x27a39dccn9a336a7508678284@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone found and used a service similar to BackJack, Mozy,
Carbonite, etc? As far as I can tell the mentioned products don't
support Linux. I was working on getting JungleDisk going awhile back.

Yes, I googed it. I'm looking to see what TCLUGers have actually used.

-- 
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com


From andyzib at gmail.com  Thu Sep  3 15:47:13 2009
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 15:47:13 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Backup to the cloud
In-Reply-To: <cac45c240909031345x27a39dccn9a336a7508678284@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cac45c240909031345x27a39dccn9a336a7508678284@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cac45c240909031347t50f3abd7t32bb628fed779348@mail.gmail.com>

Sleep deprivation due to a newborn does funny things to you.

That should read: Has anyone found and used a service similar to
BackJack, Mozy, Carbonite, etc. that works under Linux?

:D

-- 
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com


From christophermsmith at gmail.com  Thu Sep  3 15:50:54 2009
From: christophermsmith at gmail.com (Chris Smith)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:50:54 -0400
Subject: [tclug-list] Backup to the cloud
In-Reply-To: <cac45c240909031345x27a39dccn9a336a7508678284@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cac45c240909031345x27a39dccn9a336a7508678284@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <673834BD-24AE-435B-B1B9-02C78064BAFE@gmail.com>

I thought mozy did work with linux.
On Sep 3, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Andrew S. Zbikowski wrote:

> Has anyone found and used a service similar to BackJack, Mozy,
> Carbonite, etc? As far as I can tell the mentioned products don't
> support Linux. I was working on getting JungleDisk going awhile back.
>
> Yes, I googed it. I'm looking to see what TCLUGers have actually used.
>
> -- 
> Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
> IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



From scott at dier.name  Thu Sep  3 15:52:08 2009
From: scott at dier.name (Scott Dier)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 15:52:08 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Backup to the cloud
In-Reply-To: <cac45c240909031345x27a39dccn9a336a7508678284@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cac45c240909031345x27a39dccn9a336a7508678284@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1338AAB0-ADBD-47BE-A83E-1CAA2558313D@dier.name>

I'm using crashplan now.  Software is reasonable and works on linux.   
Centralized backup plans are of reasonable cost.  I'm using it to  
backup some pretty extensive directories and it appears to work great.

Thanks,

On Sep 3, 2009, at 3:45 PM, Andrew S. Zbikowski wrote:

> Has anyone found and used a service similar to BackJack, Mozy,
> Carbonite, etc? As far as I can tell the mentioned products don't
> support Linux. I was working on getting JungleDisk going awhile back.
>
> Yes, I googed it. I'm looking to see what TCLUGers have actually used.
>
> -- 
> Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
> IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

---
Scott Dier
scott at dier.name




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From cwgriesel at gmail.com  Thu Sep  3 16:10:24 2009
From: cwgriesel at gmail.com (Curtis Griesel)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:10:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Backup to the cloud
In-Reply-To: <cac45c240909031345x27a39dccn9a336a7508678284@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cac45c240909031345x27a39dccn9a336a7508678284@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7f246bf00909031410w3bf4948ds316b0919129ab2e1@mail.gmail.com>

Dropbox has a linux client.  Dropbox also provides most features
through a web interface as well.  2 GB free, after that you pay.

Curtis

On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Andrew S. Zbikowski<andyzib at gmail.com> wrote:
> Has anyone found and used a service similar to BackJack, Mozy,
> Carbonite, etc? As far as I can tell the mentioned products don't
> support Linux. I was working on getting JungleDisk going awhile back.
>
> Yes, I googed it. I'm looking to see what TCLUGers have actually used.
>
> --
> Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
> IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From pcutler at gnome.org  Thu Sep  3 16:26:55 2009
From: pcutler at gnome.org (Paul Cutler)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:26:55 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Backup to the cloud
In-Reply-To: <7f246bf00909031410w3bf4948ds316b0919129ab2e1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cac45c240909031345x27a39dccn9a336a7508678284@mail.gmail.com>
	<7f246bf00909031410w3bf4948ds316b0919129ab2e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <39428b2a0909031426l396c7b72r35202ed4c908b0f2@mail.gmail.com>

I highly recommend Dropbox - both it's sync / backup capabilities and it's
sharing abilities are top notch.

Shameless self plug - use my referral code and we both get an extra 256MB of
space once you sign up for the free acount:
https://www.getdropbox.com/referrals/NTEwMjE4Nzk

Paul

On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Curtis Griesel <cwgriesel at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dropbox has a linux client.  Dropbox also provides most features
> through a web interface as well.  2 GB free, after that you pay.
>
> Curtis
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Andrew S. Zbikowski<andyzib at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Has anyone found and used a service similar to BackJack, Mozy,
> > Carbonite, etc? As far as I can tell the mentioned products don't
> > support Linux. I was working on getting JungleDisk going awhile back.
> >
> > Yes, I googed it. I'm looking to see what TCLUGers have actually used.
> >
> > --
> > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
> > IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From ian.greenleaf at gmail.com  Thu Sep  3 17:24:50 2009
From: ian.greenleaf at gmail.com (Ian Young)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:24:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Backup to the cloud
In-Reply-To: <7f246bf00909031410w3bf4948ds316b0919129ab2e1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cac45c240909031345x27a39dccn9a336a7508678284@mail.gmail.com>
	<7f246bf00909031410w3bf4948ds316b0919129ab2e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AA04232.1000806@gmail.com>

Yep, Dropbox's offerings are very close to Mozy in price. I used it for
a while - setup was pretty straightforward, and the Linux client worked
pretty nicely. I wasn't crazy about it as a backup solution. It always
felt like a syncing solution that you could happen to use for backup as
well. Everything you want backed up has to go in your Dropbox folder - I
used symlinks to pull in the files I wanted backed up, but then I had
problems with some of my application config folders constantly sending
network traffic because the applications would modify them while running
and the Dropbox client helpfully monitors files for changes.

Any bored hackers want a project? Roll a new Dropbox client geared more
towards automated backups. Should be possible, could be popular...

Ian

On 09/03/2009 04:10 PM, Curtis Griesel wrote:
> Dropbox has a linux client.  Dropbox also provides most features
> through a web interface as well.  2 GB free, after that you pay.
> 
> Curtis
> 
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Andrew S. Zbikowski<andyzib at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Has anyone found and used a service similar to BackJack, Mozy,
>> Carbonite, etc? As far as I can tell the mentioned products don't
>> support Linux. I was working on getting JungleDisk going awhile back.
>>
>> Yes, I googed it. I'm looking to see what TCLUGers have actually used.
>>
>> --
>> Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
>> IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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From ian.greenleaf at gmail.com  Thu Sep  3 17:38:07 2009
From: ian.greenleaf at gmail.com (Ian Young)
Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:38:07 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Backup to the cloud
In-Reply-To: <cac45c240909031345x27a39dccn9a336a7508678284@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cac45c240909031345x27a39dccn9a336a7508678284@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AA0454F.9030309@gmail.com>

This might not quite fit the bill if you're looking for a more
"packaged" solution, but http://www.tarsnap.com/ is an interesting
project. I'm thinking of trying it out if I ever jump ship on Dreamhost
and lose the free backup space I have with them.

Ian

On 09/03/2009 03:45 PM, Andrew S. Zbikowski wrote:
> Has anyone found and used a service similar to BackJack, Mozy,
> Carbonite, etc? As far as I can tell the mentioned products don't
> support Linux. I was working on getting JungleDisk going awhile back.
> 
> Yes, I googed it. I'm looking to see what TCLUGers have actually used.
> 

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From tclug1 at greatlakedata.com  Thu Sep  3 17:43:13 2009
From: tclug1 at greatlakedata.com (tclug1 at greatlakedata.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 17:43:13 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Backup to the cloud
Message-ID: <200909032243.n83MhDPp032415@okra.fo4.net>

i use BackupPC (for pull situations) and storebackup/sshfs (for push) (both free), to any other server, or a VPS (eg tektonic, $15/mo).
the interesting part is regulating the bandwidth usage so other connections to the same servers don't get crushed to a crawl.
turns out a small few well chosen tc commands manage that quite well.  ask, and i'll tell.
-g


From tclug1 at greatlakedata.com  Thu Sep  3 17:46:16 2009
From: tclug1 at greatlakedata.com (tclug1 at greatlakedata.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 17:46:16 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Backup to the cloud
Message-ID: <200909032246.n83MkGOD000420@okra.fo4.net>

i use BackupPC (for pull situations) and storebackup/sshfs (for push) (both free), to any other server, or a VPS (eg tektonic, $15/mo).
the interesting part is regulating the bandwidth usage so other connections to the same servers don't get crushed to a crawl.
turns out a small few well chosen tc commands manage that quite well.  ask, and i'll tell.
-g


From tclug1 at greatlakedata.com  Thu Sep  3 16:56:36 2009
From: tclug1 at greatlakedata.com (tclug1 at greatlakedata.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:56:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Backup to the cloud
Message-ID: <200909032156.n83Lua2p027638@okra.fo4.net>

i use BackupPC (for pull situations) and storebackup/sshfs (for push) (both free), to any other server, or a VPS (eg tektonic, $15/mo).
the interesting part is regulating the bandwidth usage so other connections to the same servers don't get crushed to a crawl.
turns out a small few well chosen tc commands manage that quite well.  ask, and i'll tell.
-g


From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Thu Sep  3 21:29:31 2009
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 21:29:31 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200909040229.n842TVa27316@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: Want for Free

Subject: iMac keyboard

Looking for a MAC USB keyboard for a G5 iMAC.  Still working on trying to get his thing going...

Thanks,

Doug

doughanson at comcast.net

Seller Email address: doughanson at comcast dot net

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From mark.katerberg at gmail.com  Fri Sep  4 11:27:10 2009
From: mark.katerberg at gmail.com (Mark Katerberg)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 11:27:10 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Backup to the cloud
In-Reply-To: <200909032156.n83Lua2p027638@okra.fo4.net>
References: <200909032156.n83Lua2p027638@okra.fo4.net>
Message-ID: <d3ac1cd30909040927u6bdd23caq707f87656226d7e@mail.gmail.com>

As something free, I'd recommend Dropbox.  I've used it and it works great
for both backup (albiet not what it was designed to do) and as a poor man's
network.

2009/9/3 <tclug1 at greatlakedata.com>

> i use BackupPC (for pull situations) and storebackup/sshfs (for push) (both
> free), to any other server, or a VPS (eg tektonic, $15/mo).
> the interesting part is regulating the bandwidth usage so other connections
> to the same servers don't get crushed to a crawl.
> turns out a small few well chosen tc commands manage that quite well.  ask,
> and i'll tell.
> -g
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



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From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com  Fri Sep  4 23:46:33 2009
From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 23:46:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Is the clould just a marketing scheme ?
Message-ID: <25f02f40909042146l75a09383n60a373eb379b81fb@mail.gmail.com>

I was reading today and came across an article. It posed the point
that the cloud is just another hyped to get people to put personal
data out where it can be controlled.
Also this free offering of storage. Could it be revoked at any time ?
Are we being groomed to pay more in the future for something we enjoy
very cheaply now ?
How is it secure ?

Just want to know what you think , Ron


From tclug1 at greatlakedata.com  Sat Sep  5 02:45:29 2009
From: tclug1 at greatlakedata.com (greg wm)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 02:45:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Is the clould just a marketing scheme ?
In-Reply-To: <25f02f40909042146l75a09383n60a373eb379b81fb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <25f02f40909042146l75a09383n60a373eb379b81fb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <429c5ec20909050045k49e40c46p91026e00d5f4acd1@mail.gmail.com>

sounds like you might like DIBS <http://sourceforge.net/projects/dibs/>.
-g

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 11:46 PM, r j <ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was reading today and came across an article. It posed the point
> that the cloud is just another hyped to get people to put personal
> data out where it can be controlled.
> Also this free offering of storage. Could it be revoked at any time ?
> Are we being groomed to pay more in the future for something we enjoy
> very cheaply now ?
> How is it secure ?
>
> Just want to know what you think , Ron
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From mark.katerberg at gmail.com  Sat Sep  5 12:29:36 2009
From: mark.katerberg at gmail.com (Mark Katerberg)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 12:29:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Is the clould just a marketing scheme ?
In-Reply-To: <429c5ec20909050045k49e40c46p91026e00d5f4acd1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <25f02f40909042146l75a09383n60a373eb379b81fb@mail.gmail.com>
	<429c5ec20909050045k49e40c46p91026e00d5f4acd1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090905122936.5d950315@priyanka-chopra>

Everything going into the cloud worries me a little, but I think it
will be okay so long as people wake up and be very very careful with
things like Facebook. As we move online, I see EULAs as getting far
more important and people might actually *gasp* read them!  For
example, Facebook has a very scary one that basically steals all of
your data while Dropbox has a far less scary one.  Gmail is somewhere
in the middle.  I just hope RMS or someone like-minded steps up and
comes up with some kind of standard online EULA.

On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 02:45:29 -0500
greg wm <tclug1 at greatlakedata.com> wrote:

> sounds like you might like DIBS
> <http://sourceforge.net/projects/dibs/>. -g
> 
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 11:46 PM, r j <ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I was reading today and came across an article. It posed the point
> > that the cloud is just another hyped to get people to put personal
> > data out where it can be controlled.
> > Also this free offering of storage. Could it be revoked at any
> > time ? Are we being groomed to pay more in the future for something
> > we enjoy very cheaply now ?
> > How is it secure ?
> >
> > Just want to know what you think , Ron



-- 
Mark Katerberg


From dniesen at gmail.com  Sat Sep  5 13:41:46 2009
From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan Niesen)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 13:41:46 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Is the clould just a marketing scheme ?
Message-ID: <4aa2b0ec.141bf30a.11fe.ffff9c58@mx.google.com>

But then we would have to start calling them GNU/EULAs... *duck*

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Katerberg <mark.katerberg at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 12:29 PM
To: greg wm <tclug1 at greatlakedata.com>
Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Is the clould just a marketing scheme ?

Everything going into the cloud worries me a little, but I think it
will be okay so long as people wake up and be very very careful with
things like Facebook. As we move online, I see EULAs as getting far
more important and people might actually *gasp* read them!  For
example, Facebook has a very scary one that basically steals all of
your data while Dropbox has a far less scary one.  Gmail is somewhere
in the middle.  I just hope RMS or someone like-minded steps up and
comes up with some kind of standard online EULA.

On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 02:45:29 -0500
greg wm <tclug1 at greatlakedata.com> wrote:

> sounds like you might like DIBS
> <http://sourceforge.net/projects/dibs/>. -g
> 
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 11:46 PM, r j <ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I was reading today and came across an article. It posed the point
> > that the cloud is just another hyped to get people to put personal
> > data out where it can be controlled.
> > Also this free offering of storage. Could it be revoked at any
> > time ? Are we being groomed to pay more in the future for something
> > we enjoy very cheaply now ?
> > How is it secure ?
> >
> > Just want to know what you think , Ron



-- 
Mark Katerberg

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun Sep  6 10:51:45 2009
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 10:51:45 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200909061551.n86Fpji04123@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: Want for Free

Subject: PCI video card wanted

Any PCI video card, please. 

I'm in south Minneapolis and am willing to pick it up. I have spare AGP cards but want to make a box dual-headed and so need an old PCI card. 

Thanks!

Seller Email address: tlunde at gmail dot com

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From coal at mailvault.com  Sun Sep  6 16:00:22 2009
From: coal at mailvault.com (bwood)
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 23:00:22 00200 (CEST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Is the clould just a marketing scheme ?
Message-ID: <20090906210022.6CA06B64187@gateway.mailvault.com>

On  5-Sep-2009 07:26:12 +0200, you wrote:
> I was reading today and came across an article. It posed the point
> that the cloud is just another hyped to get people to put personal
> data out where it can be controlled.
> Also this free offering of storage. Could it be revoked at any time ?
> Are we being groomed to pay more in the future for something we enjoy
> very cheaply now ?
> How is it secure ?
> 
> Just want to know what you think , Ron
> 



From webmaster at mn-linux.org  Sun Sep 13 18:29:51 2009
From: webmaster at mn-linux.org (TCLUG Classifieds)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 18:29:51 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] New TCLUG Classified Ad
Message-ID: <200909132329.n8DNTpQ01294@crusader.real-time.com>

New TCLUG Classified Ad

Category: Computer

Type of Ad: For Sale

Subject: Computer parts for sale!

Looking to get rid of a bunch of computer junk:

8 x PCI modem cards (US Robotics/3com - 56k)

16 x PCI 10/100 NICs (3com, US Robotics, Intel)

4 x AGP vid cards 

4 x power supplies (300-400 watt)

1 x PCI sound card

1 x PCI SCSI-2 card (compaq)

8 x PCI SCSI-2 hardware raid cards (compaq, intel, mylex)

6 x SCA to SCSI-2 converters

2 x cisco PIX 506 (fully loaded)

2 x cisco 2900 series switches (24 port 10/100)

1 x cisco 2600 router

1 x cisco 5005 switch (loaded)

1 x ATX mid tower case

1 x SIP phone (BT-100)

Lots of Memory 128mb-512mb sizes both 100mhz, 133mhz speeds



looking for offers on any of this - feel free to ask for details on anything.  thanks!



Seller Email address: marc at e-skinner dot net

http://www.mn-linux.org/cgi-bin/classifieds/index.cgi



From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Wed Sep 16 14:25:55 2009
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:25:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Miguel snuggles closer to Microsoft
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0909161424130.20314@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

Check this out:

Miguel snuggles closer to Microsoft
http://www.itwire.com/content/view/27785/1090/

Note especially the second page where the article discusses the FSF board 
and "GNU/Linux".

Mike


From pcutler at gnome.org  Wed Sep 16 14:54:09 2009
From: pcutler at gnome.org (Paul Cutler)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:54:09 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Miguel snuggles closer to Microsoft
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0909161424130.20314@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
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Sam Varghese is a well known troll for his so-called "journalism".  This
isn't the first article he's written that is anti-Mono.  How he continues to
get published is beyond me.  (Probably because of the flame wars and the
hits ITWire gets because of it).

Paul

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Mike Miller
<mbmiller+l at gmail.com<mbmiller%2Bl at gmail.com>
> wrote:

> Check this out:
>
> Miguel snuggles closer to Microsoft
> http://www.itwire.com/content/view/27785/1090/
>
> Note especially the second page where the article discusses the FSF board
> and "GNU/Linux".
>
> Mike
>
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From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Wed Sep 16 15:55:12 2009
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:55:12 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Miguel snuggles closer to Microsoft
In-Reply-To: <39428b2a0909161254g72a8a8e8we4f40dcccb93cac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0909161424130.20314@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0909161554130.20314@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Paul Cutler wrote:

> Sam Varghese is a well known troll for his so-called "journalism". 
> This isn't the first article he's written that is anti-Mono.  How he 
> continues to get published is beyond me.  (Probably because of the flame 
> wars and the hits ITWire gets because of it).

Are you saying that something claimed in the article was not true?

Mike



> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com<mbmiller%2Bl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Check this out:
>>
>> Miguel snuggles closer to Microsoft
>> http://www.itwire.com/content/view/27785/1090/
>>
>> Note especially the second page where the article discusses the FSF board
>> and "GNU/Linux".
>>
>> Mike


From kris.browne at gmail.com  Wed Sep 16 22:41:12 2009
From: kris.browne at gmail.com (Kristopher Browne)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:41:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Miguel snuggles closer to Microsoft
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0909161554130.20314@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0909161424130.20314@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
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	<alpine.DEB.2.00.0909161554130.20314@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <965013E0-0FB5-4240-A5C3-7A4F50EEBF14@gmail.com>

Miguel has been a flunkie of MS for years, and the attempts to push  
Gnome to use mono and Moonlight have been part of my reasons for  
trying to stay closer to KDE... I don't think anyone should ignore  
MS's ongoing criticisms of OSS, and their attempts to poison projects  
with their weaker licenses and patent-encumbered projects should be  
treated with the utmost suspicions. The first E in their strategy has  
always been Embrace, and this wouldn't be the first time they have  
attempted to get close to a competitor to later co-opt their base.

For all the criticisms of Apple, they have been a strong contributor  
towards the community, and the fact that both competitors to the  
iPhone are successfully using WebKit for their browser bases and still  
working with Apple to extend the base should be a sign they can  
compete and still play nice with their community. Contributing to GCC,  
libdispatch, launchd, bonjour.... Sharing their brilliant and simple  
ways of addressing problems which the free software community has  
often had difficulty with and sharing through friendly licenses.

Kris

On Sep 16, 2009, at 3:55 PM, Mike Miller wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Paul Cutler wrote:
>
>> Sam Varghese is a well known troll for his so-called "journalism".
>> This isn't the first article he's written that is anti-Mono.  How he
>> continues to get published is beyond me.  (Probably because of the  
>> flame
>> wars and the hits ITWire gets because of it).
>
> Are you saying that something claimed in the article was not true?
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Mike Miller <mbmiller 
>> +l at gmail.com<mbmiller%2Bl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Check this out:
>>>
>>> Miguel snuggles closer to Microsoft
>>> http://www.itwire.com/content/view/27785/1090/
>>>
>>> Note especially the second page where the article discusses the  
>>> FSF board
>>> and "GNU/Linux".
>>>
>>> Mike
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



From strayf at freeshell.org  Thu Sep 17 15:29:45 2009
From: strayf at freeshell.org (Steve Cayford)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:29:45 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free Geek Twin Cities - Geekathlon fundraiser
Message-ID: <4AB29C39.6000501@freeshell.org>

Free Geek Twin Cities is finally going to have a space of our own to work 
in starting in October. We'll be renting in a building at 34th St and 
Chicago Ave S. as of October 1. It's a small space, but this is just the 
beginning.

Now would be a great time to get involved, volunteer, donate, and start 
thinking of Free Geek as a destination for your old, but usable computer 
equipment.

Come by and get to know us at our pre-opening fundraiser at Grumpy's next 
Saturday! Hope to see you there.

+---+

Geekathlon - Next Saturday the 26th at Grumpy's (Downtown)!

Can you read l33t speak? Identify geeks through history? Name that video 
game tune? Name pi out really far? If so, you will want to come to Free 
Geek's Geekathlon. This quiz bowl will feature ten intense rounds of 
questions focusing on the history of computers and the internet, with 
fabulous prizes from local sponsors -- all for a good cause: helping the 
needy get nerdy!

With Free Geek Twin Cities finally moving into a space, we need to start 
making rent and getting other people involved. So, come to Grumpy's next 
Saturday and test your knowledge and help out a good cause!

Grumpy's is located at 1111 Washington Ave S, Minneapolis, MN 55415. 
Questions start 7PM. $5.

http://tcopencircuit.org/node/57

+---+



From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Tue Sep 22 01:27:45 2009
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke)
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 01:27:45 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] LDAP @ PenguinsUnbound Linux Meeting September 26th
	2009
Message-ID: <4AB86E61.1090009@Goecke-Dolan.com>

This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be
Saturday September 26th at TIES,
1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108
from 10:00 am to 12:00pm
(See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more
info.)

At this month the Penguins Unbound Meeting I will be talking about 
Lightweight Directory Authentication Protocol (LDAP).

I will discuss what it is, what it does, and its history.  Then we will 
take a look at OpenLDAP and how to configure and connect to it and some 
tools to manage it.

Thanks.

Hope to see you there.

==>brian.



From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Fri Sep 25 02:20:54 2009
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:20:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] * Saturday * LDAP @ PenguinsUnbound Linux Meeting
 September 26th 2009
Message-ID: <4ABC6F56.8030803@Goecke-Dolan.com>


This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be
Saturday September 26th at TIES,
1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108
from 10:00 am to 12:00pm
(See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more
info.)

At this month the Penguins Unbound Meeting I will be talking about
Lightweight Directory Authentication Protocol (LDAP).

What is LDAP ? What can it be used fore ?

LDAP can be used as a central User Credential database.  That will allow 
you to connect different services, like Routers, Email Servers, Unix 
Servers, Firewalls, Webpages (apache) and more to the Central LDAP 
server then you can have all your password (credentials) managed by this 
LDAP server.  Giving you the ability to use the same password 
(credentials) across these different services, and allow you to change 
the password in one location and have it changed across all these 
services at once.
(LDAP is the bases for both Microsoft's Active Directory, and for 
Novells Enterprise users management tools).

I will discuss what it is, what it does, and its history.  Then we will
take a look at OpenLDAP and how to configure and connect to it and some
tools to manage it.

Thanks.

Hope to see you there.

==>brian.




From andyzib at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 16:42:42 2009
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:42:42 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Sending to tclug-announce and tclug-list
Message-ID: <cac45c240909251442v1d0b5a7s94503b7be5947ecd@mail.gmail.com>

Not that GMail doesn't handle this elegantly, but wasn't the ability
to opt out of announcements the point of having two lists in the first
place?

-- 
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com


From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Fri Sep 25 18:21:32 2009
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:21:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Sending to tclug-announce and tclug-list
In-Reply-To: <cac45c240909251442v1d0b5a7s94503b7be5947ecd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cac45c240909251442v1d0b5a7s94503b7be5947ecd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0909251819220.20314@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

On Fri, 25 Sep 2009, Andrew S. Zbikowski wrote:

> Not that GMail doesn't handle this elegantly, but wasn't the ability to 
> opt out of announcements the point of having two lists in the first 
> place?

On most lists I've been on that have a separate announcments list, the 
point of having two lists has been to allow people to choose to receive 
only announcements and opt out of the much higher-volume list.  I think it 
is usually a good plan to have the non-announcement list subscribed to the 
announcements list.  That way everything that goes to announcments goes to 
both lists, but only one message is sent and we don't cc to the other 
list.

Mike


From jucziz6 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 30 21:36:31 2009
From: jucziz6 at gmail.com (James)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:36:31 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] usb hard drives
Message-ID: <81675d140909301936h71332ab1j2349d2340cafdf4d@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I am trying to add a usb hard drive to Centos 5.3. So far I have done
the following

fdisk /dev/sdd1, added a new partition made it type 83
rebooted the system
edit /etc/fstab add the line
  /dev/sdd1                   /usb/320                    ext3
defaults        0 0

mkfs -V /dev/sdd1

then mount /usb/320

I get the following error
mount /usb/320
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdd1,
       missing codepage or other error
       In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
       dmesg | tail  or so


What am I missing?

Thanks


From florin at iucha.net  Wed Sep 30 21:45:14 2009
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:45:14 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] usb hard drives
In-Reply-To: <81675d140909301936h71332ab1j2349d2340cafdf4d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <81675d140909301936h71332ab1j2349d2340cafdf4d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091001024514.GJ20918@iris.iucha.org>

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 09:36:31PM -0500, James wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am trying to add a usb hard drive to Centos 5.3. So far I have done
> the following
> 
> fdisk /dev/sdd1, added a new partition made it type 83
> rebooted the system
> edit /etc/fstab add the line
>   /dev/sdd1                   /usb/320                    ext3
> defaults        0 0
> 
> mkfs -V /dev/sdd1
> 
> then mount /usb/320
> 
> I get the following error
> mount /usb/320
> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdd1,
>        missing codepage or other error
>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
>        dmesg | tail  or so
> 
> 
> What am I missing?

File system type I presume.  Try this:

   mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdd1

Cheers,
florin

-- 
Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition.
      http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163
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