From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com  Thu Nov  4 00:32:34 2010
From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 01:32:34 -0400
Subject: [tclug-list] How do I start a new Linux distro?
Message-ID: <20101104013234.edbe5240.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>

Have any of you ever started a Linux distro or played a major role in a distro?  I'm interested in starting a new distro based on antiX Linux.  I just registered a project on Launchpad, but I'm not sure which license I should use, and I don't see where on Launchpad I'm supposed to upload those big *.iso files.

-- 
Jason Hsu, Linux-literate embedded engineer
(952) 715-7661
embedded_engineer at jasonhsu.com
http://www.jasonhsu.com/ee.html
http://www.jasonhsu.com/swrwatt.html
http://www.jasonhsu.com/ee-robot.html


From max at bernsteinforpresident.com  Thu Nov  4 06:23:36 2010
From: max at bernsteinforpresident.com (Max Shinn)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 06:23:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] How do I start a new Linux distro?
In-Reply-To: <20101104013234.edbe5240.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
References: <20101104013234.edbe5240.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
Message-ID: <201011040623.36216.max@bernsteinforpresident.com>

You should talk to the guys behind RMSGnuLinux (try #rmsgnulinux on freenode).  I'm sure they would be willing to answer any questions you have.  Just tell them trombonechamp sent you.
-- 
Max Shinn

On Thursday, November 04, 2010 12:32:34 am Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote:
> Have any of you ever started a Linux distro or played a major role in a distro?  I'm interested in starting a new distro based on antiX Linux.  I just registered a project on Launchpad, but I'm not sure which license I should use, and I don't see where on Launchpad I'm supposed to upload those big *.iso files.
> 
> 


From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com  Thu Nov  4 08:56:57 2010
From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 09:56:57 -0400
Subject: [tclug-list] How do I start a new Linux distro?
In-Reply-To: <201011040623.36216.max@bernsteinforpresident.com>
References: <20101104013234.edbe5240.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
	<201011040623.36216.max@bernsteinforpresident.com>
Message-ID: <20101104095657.667b4ba5.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>

Is there an email address or forum?  If not, how do I contact them through freenode?

On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 06:23:36 -0500
Max Shinn <max at bernsteinforpresident.com> wrote:

> You should talk to the guys behind RMSGnuLinux (try #rmsgnulinux on freenode).  I'm sure they would be willing to answer any questions you have.  Just tell them trombonechamp sent you.
> -- 
> Max Shinn
> 
> On Thursday, November 04, 2010 12:32:34 am Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote:
> > Have any of you ever started a Linux distro or played a major role in a distro?  I'm interested in starting a new distro based on antiX Linux.  I just registered a project on Launchpad, but I'm not sure which license I should use, and I don't see where on Launchpad I'm supposed to upload those big *.iso files.
> > 
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


-- 
Jason Hsu, Linux-literate embedded engineer
(952) 715-7661
embedded_engineer at jasonhsu.com
http://www.jasonhsu.com/ee.html
http://www.jasonhsu.com/swrwatt.html
http://www.jasonhsu.com/ee-robot.html


From florin at iucha.net  Thu Nov  4 09:15:11 2010
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 09:15:11 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] How do I start a new Linux distro?
In-Reply-To: <20101104013234.edbe5240.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
References: <20101104013234.edbe5240.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
Message-ID: <20101104141510.GE2306@styx.iucha.org>

On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 01:32:34AM -0400, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote:
> Have any of you ever started a Linux distro or played a major role in
> a distro?

It takes a lot of work to deal with the package churn.

>            I'm interested in starting a new distro based on antiX Linux.

What is your mission statement?  How will it be different?

> I just registered a project on Launchpad, but I'm not sure which license
> I should use,

You can choose whatever license you want for the modules/scripts that
you _author_.  Everything else (kernel, libc, shells) has already set
licenses that you need to abide by.

Cheers,
florin

-- 
Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition.
      http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163
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From dave at sherohman.org  Thu Nov  4 10:20:06 2010
From: dave at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 10:20:06 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] How do I start a new Linux distro?
In-Reply-To: <20101104095657.667b4ba5.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
References: <20101104013234.edbe5240.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
	<201011040623.36216.max@bernsteinforpresident.com>
	<20101104095657.667b4ba5.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
Message-ID: <20101104152006.GI16613@sherohman.org>

> On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 06:23:36 -0500 Max Shinn <max at bernsteinforpresident.com> wrote:
> > You should talk to the guys behind RMSGnuLinux (try #rmsgnulinux on
> > freenode).  I'm sure they would be willing to answer any questions
> > you have.  Just tell them trombonechamp sent you.

On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 09:56:57AM -0400, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote:
> Is there an email address or forum?  If not, how do I contact them through freenode?

To translate for you, "#rmsgnulinux on freenode" means "the channel
#rmsgnulinux on the freenode IRC network".

Finding the appropriate software and hostname to connect to freenode is
left as an exercise for the reader - figuring that part out for yourself
should be child's play compared to the process of rolling your own
distro.

-- 
Dave Sherohman


From florin at iucha.net  Thu Nov  4 11:44:21 2010
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 11:44:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] How do I start a new Linux distro?
In-Reply-To: <20101104152006.GI16613@sherohman.org>
References: <20101104013234.edbe5240.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
	<201011040623.36216.max@bernsteinforpresident.com>
	<20101104095657.667b4ba5.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
	<20101104152006.GI16613@sherohman.org>
Message-ID: <20101104164420.GF2306@styx.iucha.org>

On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 10:20:06AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> > On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 06:23:36 -0500 Max Shinn <max at bernsteinforpresident.com> wrote:
> > > You should talk to the guys behind RMSGnuLinux (try #rmsgnulinux on
> > > freenode).  I'm sure they would be willing to answer any questions
> > > you have.  Just tell them trombonechamp sent you.
> 
> On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 09:56:57AM -0400, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote:
> > Is there an email address or forum?  If not, how do I contact them through freenode?
> 
> To translate for you, "#rmsgnulinux on freenode" means "the channel
> #rmsgnulinux on the freenode IRC network".
> 
> Finding the appropriate software and hostname to connect to freenode is
> left as an exercise for the reader - figuring that part out for yourself
> should be child's play compared to the process of rolling your own
> distro.

What about the rest of us?

Cheers,
florin

-- 
Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition.
      http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163
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From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com  Thu Nov  4 12:01:18 2010
From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 13:01:18 -0400
Subject: [tclug-list] How do I start a new Linux distro?
In-Reply-To: <20101104164420.GF2306@styx.iucha.org>
References: <20101104013234.edbe5240.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
	<201011040623.36216.max@bernsteinforpresident.com>
	<20101104095657.667b4ba5.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
	<20101104152006.GI16613@sherohman.org>
	<20101104164420.GF2306@styx.iucha.org>
Message-ID: <20101104130118.3d67b982.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>

http://webchat.freenode.net/

On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 11:44:21 -0500
Florin Iucha <florin at iucha.net> wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 10:20:06AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> > > On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 06:23:36 -0500 Max Shinn <max at bernsteinforpresident.com> wrote:
> > > > You should talk to the guys behind RMSGnuLinux (try #rmsgnulinux on
> > > > freenode).  I'm sure they would be willing to answer any questions
> > > > you have.  Just tell them trombonechamp sent you.
> > 
> > On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 09:56:57AM -0400, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote:
> > > Is there an email address or forum?  If not, how do I contact them through freenode?
> > 
> > To translate for you, "#rmsgnulinux on freenode" means "the channel
> > #rmsgnulinux on the freenode IRC network".
> > 
> > Finding the appropriate software and hostname to connect to freenode is
> > left as an exercise for the reader - figuring that part out for yourself
> > should be child's play compared to the process of rolling your own
> > distro.
> 
> What about the rest of us?
> 
> Cheers,
> florin
> 
> -- 
> Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition.
>       http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163
> 


-- 
Jason Hsu, Linux-literate embedded engineer
(952) 715-7661
embedded_engineer at jasonhsu.com
http://www.jasonhsu.com/ee.html
http://www.jasonhsu.com/swrwatt.html
http://www.jasonhsu.com/ee-robot.html


From swaite at sbn-services.com  Thu Nov  4 21:22:54 2010
From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 21:22:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list]  OT: AMD Socket 754/939 needed
Message-ID: <1288923774.4cd36a7e48ad2@g3.sbn-services.com>

I am looking for an old AMD Socket 754 or Socket 939 motherboard/CPU.
If anyone has one for sale, or is interested in parting with one
please let me know. If anyone knows of a site that is reputable for
selling old motherboards/CPUs like this that could help as well.?
Alternatively if you have a PC that has socket 754/939 CPU that could
work as well, although I primarily need just the mobo. 

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From sloncho at gmail.com  Fri Nov  5 08:44:45 2010
From: sloncho at gmail.com (Sunny)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 08:44:45 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: AMD Socket 754/939 needed
In-Reply-To: <1288923774.4cd36a7e48ad2@g3.sbn-services.com>
References: <1288923774.4cd36a7e48ad2@g3.sbn-services.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim9z4npnOQHgh02uLQ1p8JrU9k9HO3c3MvFR8J-@mail.gmail.com>

I think I have a 939 CPU, I need to check at home tonight. Let me know
if you still need it.

Cheers

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Sean Waite <swaite at sbn-services.com> wrote:
> I am looking for an old AMD Socket 754 or Socket 939 motherboard/CPU. If
> anyone has one for sale, or is interested in parting with one please let me
> know. If anyone knows of a site that is reputable for selling old
> motherboards/CPUs like this that could help as well.? Alternatively if you
> have a PC that has socket 754/939 CPU that could work as well, although I
> primarily need just the mobo.
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>



-- 
Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny)

Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.


From tclug at beitsahour.net  Fri Nov  5 10:02:40 2010
From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:02:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: AMD Socket 754/939 needed
In-Reply-To: <1288923774.4cd36a7e48ad2@g3.sbn-services.com>
References: <1288923774.4cd36a7e48ad2@g3.sbn-services.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=QYJD9ooUJLQS3R51tiLiueB6TOHDHMkyZcFuO@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 21:22, Sean Waite <swaite at sbn-services.com> wrote:
> I am looking for an old AMD Socket 754 or Socket 939 motherboard/CPU. If
> anyone has one for sale, or is interested in parting with one please let me
> know. If anyone knows of a site that is reputable for selling old
> motherboards/CPUs like this that could help as well.? Alternatively if you
> have a PC that has socket 754/939 CPU that could work as well, although I
> primarily need just the mobo.

i think i still have a 2 pairs of 939 CPUs, i'll need to dig around
the basement sometime.


From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Sun Nov  7 00:23:09 2010
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 00:23:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] rhythmbox file checking issue
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011062352140.16535@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

Back story:

Do any of you use rhythmbox?  It's supposed to be an iTunes replacement 
for Linux systems.  I gave it a try, had it recurse my audio file 
directory tree and it seemed to find everything (much better than iTunes 
on Windows a few years ago -- it only found half of the files) and I 
really like the xml format it uses for the db and that it allows the user 
to specify the db file at startup (--rhythmdb-file option).  The file 
location is given in the <location> field in the xml and it can be a local 
file (file://) or a URL.  This also makes it possible to do cool stuff 
like translate the locations (using perl, say) from file:// to http:// so 
that you can access them remotely if you have a web server on the machine, 
or you can copy the db to another machine and edit the locations to have a 
different mount point.

Question:

Whenever I start up rhythmbox, it checks all of the files.  I'm not sure 
of what it is checking, and it runs pretty fast per file, when the files 
are on a local drive, but any checking is pointless when I know the files 
haven't changed.  It is a very serious problem when the files are located 
on an internet server and you have more than 50,000 files.  I need to find 
a way to make rhythmbox stop checking, or maybe never start checking. 
There are a few options that seem like they would work, but they don't 
work so I'm hoping someone here will have an idea.  None of these options 
do the trick:

    --no-update              Do not update the library with file changes
    -n, --no-registration    Do not register the shell
    --dry-run                Don't save any data permanently (implies --no-registration)

Thanks.

Mike


From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Sun Nov  7 20:46:48 2010
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 20:46:48 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] rhythmbox file checking issue
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011062352140.16535@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011062352140.16535@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011071914260.16535@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, bnr bnr wrote:

> in the preferences window, select music and uncheck the box where it 
> says something about watching your library for new files.

Thanks.  I probably should have explained that I know about that, and this 
is a different problem.  I have the box unchecked.  I'm not sure if the 
"checking" (rhythmbox's word for it) it is doing is the same as the 
scanning procedure, but it probably is different.  It might just be 
checking for the existence of the files in the specified locations.  It's 
just a very bad plan for it to do that.  I should at least be allowed to 
tell it to stop.

Mike


On Sun, 7 Nov 2010, Mike Miller wrote:

> Back story:
>
> Do any of you use rhythmbox?  It's supposed to be an iTunes replacement 
> for Linux systems.  I gave it a try, had it recurse my audio file 
> directory tree and it seemed to find everything (much better than iTunes 
> on Windows a few years ago -- it only found half of the files) and I 
> really like the xml format it uses for the db and that it allows the 
> user to specify the db file at startup (--rhythmdb-file option).  The 
> file location is given in the <location> field in the xml and it can be 
> a local file (file://) or a URL. This also makes it possible to do cool 
> stuff like translate the locations (using perl, say) from file:// to 
> http:// so that you can access them remotely if you have a web server on 
> the machine, or you can copy the db to another machine and edit the 
> locations to have a different mount point.
>
> Question:
>
> Whenever I start up rhythmbox, it checks all of the files.  I'm not sure 
> of what it is checking, and it runs pretty fast per file, when the files 
> are on a local drive, but any checking is pointless when I know the 
> files haven't changed.  It is a very serious problem when the files are 
> located on an internet server and you have more than 50,000 files.  I 
> need to find a way to make rhythmbox stop checking, or maybe never start 
> checking. There are a few options that seem like they would work, but 
> they don't work so I'm hoping someone here will have an idea.  None of 
> these options do the trick:
>
>   --no-update              Do not update the library with file changes
>   -n, --no-registration    Do not register the shell
>   --dry-run                Don't save any data permanently (implies 
> --no-registration)
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mike


From random at argle.org  Wed Nov 10 12:34:06 2010
From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 12:34:06 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Consulting needed
Message-ID: <4CDAE59E.8020600@argle.org>

If any of you folks who are consulting right now are interested in a
brief (day or 2 is the current plan) project doing a network
configuration review, please contact me.

Expected time frame is within the next 2 weeks.

-- 
Dan


From tclugl at whitleymott.net  Thu Nov 11 16:44:49 2010
From: tclugl at whitleymott.net (gregwm)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:44:49 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] ** Saturday ** Install Fest !!!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinynOPmjrbfZpMo9jnCLeokpHi61tB=3yCAXFWp@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CCA7F38.3090205@Goecke-Dolan.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.1010290615560.25116@farnsworth.tigertech.net>
	<AANLkTimOMNyGOw+fcJa5L9BYuy85_QU4ibmb=VhHFfuw@mail.gmail.com>
	<BA302261-9887-442F-B219-891D6B5F36C7@tux4pres.com>
	<AANLkTinynOPmjrbfZpMo9jnCLeokpHi61tB=3yCAXFWp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikvEjQ+kbuo_nY9Bf-ke-yK43CyCWwt1=Ve4xN7@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Can you take a pic of the connector of the CDROM? I know there are
> different styles. I should have an extra Dell and HP style, if, in fact,
> they are different.


yay!  my thinkpad boots again.  the cd worked well enough to run knoppix and
fix the mbr, and i chrooted into lucid (nice ring to that), ran apt-get
update, and apt-get install lubuntu-desktop.  so thanks anyway wynn, it's
better now.  i presume it was netboot that gave me NetworkManager, now, as
one would expect from lubuntu, i've replaced that with wicd.  way better.

issue remaining:  the lubuntu lxde login is fine, but none of the linux
virtual terminals is available with a getty.  with /etc/inittab retired, i'd
be grateful for a clue how to get those.  anyone?
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From trieff at greencaremankato.com  Fri Nov 12 13:30:39 2010
From: trieff at greencaremankato.com (Thomas Rieff)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:30:39 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Hard Drive Problems???
In-Reply-To: <20568209.0.1289590164640.JavaMail.trieff@gc40>
Message-ID: <910920.2.1289590234857.JavaMail.trieff@gc40>

TCLUG,
Been a while since I have had hard drive failures.
This is on a windows xp machine in our office.
Blue Screen Of Death with a Unmountable Boot Drive error.
I checked the bios and the hard drive does not show up.
Any ideas on if this is recoverable???
Tom


Thomas Rieff 
GreenCare 
1717 3rd Avenue 
Mankato, MN 56001 
(507) 344-8314 Office 
(507) 344-8316 Fax 
(507) 381-0660 Cell 




From kc0iog at gmail.com  Fri Nov 12 16:32:02 2010
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:32:02 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Hard Drive Problems???
In-Reply-To: <910920.2.1289590234857.JavaMail.trieff@gc40>
References: <20568209.0.1289590164640.JavaMail.trieff@gc40>
	<910920.2.1289590234857.JavaMail.trieff@gc40>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=RAg2AMcxKHinR=OLZs5kXjQBX9tCmrQy9kJT5@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Thomas Rieff
<trieff at greencaremankato.com>wrote:
TCLUG,
Been a while since I have had hard drive failures.
This is on a windows xp machine in our office.
Blue Screen Of Death with a Unmountable Boot Drive error.
Hopefully, yes.

 Is the drive spinning?
Did a cable get knocked loose?
Any funny sounds (excessive clicking or strange new spinning noises)?

Step 1:
Shut down and unplug

Step 2:
Take drive out and give it a light (light!) smack on the table

Step 3:
Reassemble, check those cables, any change?

Step 4 (uh oh, you got this far)
Throw the drive in a freezer bag, give it a few hours

Step 5:
QUICKLY re-assemble while drive is still cold, any change?

Step 6 (you have backups, right??)
Grab a USB adapter and attach the drive to another machine.  Since you
mentioned a non-linux OS, I recommend using a PC that is also non-linux and
grab a copy of On-track easyrecovery (free to download, only have to pay if
you actually have something to recover).  Scan and see if anything is even
present.  ~$150 or so if you're lucky enough to find something (contact me
off list if you're here, I have some alternative tools that sometimes work
if you don't want to pay, but they're not nearly as good as Ontrack).

Step 7 (no backups?  Oh....)
Remove credit card from wallet.  Make sure you have a good $K or two on
there.  Ontrack is very good, their price tag says so.

Hopefully you get no further than step 5, but hard drives can be nasty
buggers when they go bad.  Best of luck!

Brian
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From austad at signal15.com  Fri Nov 12 17:12:20 2010
From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:12:20 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Any android developers here?
Message-ID: <ABA10C03-7754-4B45-A5F2-FD810A690C06@signal15.com>

Just trying to figure out how to modify the Hello, Android tutorial program to display a button that will open a hardcoded URL.  The URL might not just be HTTP, it could be ftp, rtsp, or any number of other protocols.

--
jay austad  |  612.423.1433  |  austad at signal15.com






From dutchman_mn at charter.net  Fri Nov 12 17:44:02 2010
From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (Perry Hoekstra)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 17:44:02 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Any android developers here?
In-Reply-To: <ABA10C03-7754-4B45-A5F2-FD810A690C06@signal15.com>
References: <ABA10C03-7754-4B45-A5F2-FD810A690C06@signal15.com>
Message-ID: <4CDDD142.1090300@charter.net>

By open, do you mean into the browser?

Perry Hoekstra

On 11/12/2010 5:12 PM, Jay Austad wrote:
> Just trying to figure out how to modify the Hello, Android tutorial program to display a button that will open a hardcoded URL.  The URL might not just be HTTP, it could be ftp, rtsp, or any number of other protocols.
>
> --
> jay austad  |  612.423.1433  |  austad at signal15.com
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>




From Dean.Benjamin at mm.com  Fri Nov 12 18:33:56 2010
From: Dean.Benjamin at mm.com (Dean.Benjamin at mm.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:33:56 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Hard Drive Problems???
In-Reply-To: <910920.2.1289590234857.JavaMail.trieff@gc40>
References: <20568209.0.1289590164640.JavaMail.trieff@gc40>
	<910920.2.1289590234857.JavaMail.trieff@gc40>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20101112182539.05682de0@pop.mm.com>

First thing: check for loose cables on the "dead" drive.

Second: Put the drive in another machine, to determine whether that machine recognizes the drive.  The drive might be OK; the problem could well be that the IDE or SATA ports have died on the original motherboard.

Third: follow Brian Wall's suggestions.

At 11/12/2010 01:30 PM, Thomas Rieff wrote:
>Blue Screen Of Death with a Unmountable Boot Drive error.
>I checked the bios and the hard drive does not show up.
>Any ideas on if this is recoverable???



From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com  Fri Nov 12 23:25:05 2010
From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:25:05 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Hard Drive Problems???
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=RAg2AMcxKHinR=OLZs5kXjQBX9tCmrQy9kJT5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20568209.0.1289590164640.JavaMail.trieff@gc40>
	<910920.2.1289590234857.JavaMail.trieff@gc40>
	<AANLkTi=RAg2AMcxKHinR=OLZs5kXjQBX9tCmrQy9kJT5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101112232505.17ddb312.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>

On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:32:02 -0600
Brian Wall <kc0iog at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Step 6 (you have backups, right??)
> Grab a USB adapter and attach the drive to another machine.  Since you
> mentioned a non-linux OS, I recommend using a PC that is also non-linux and
> grab a copy of On-track easyrecovery (free to download, only have to pay if
> you actually have something to recover).  Scan and see if anything is even
> present.  ~$150 or so if you're lucky enough to find something (contact me
> off list if you're here, I have some alternative tools that sometimes work
> if you don't want to pay, but they're not nearly as good as Ontrack).
> 
There are several Linux live CDs that you can use to recover data, such as Recovery Is Possible, INSITE, and others.  Some lists:
http://distrowatch.com/search.php?category=Rescue&origin=All&basedon=All&notbasedon=None&desktop=All&architecture=All&status=Active
http://distrowatch.com/search.php?category=Forensics&origin=All&basedon=All&notbasedon=None&desktop=All&architecture=All&status=Active

-- 
Jason Hsu, Linux-literate embedded engineer
(952) 715-7661
embedded_engineer at jasonhsu.com
http://www.jasonhsu.com/ee.html
http://www.jasonhsu.com/swrwatt.html
http://www.jasonhsu.com/ee-robot.html


From kc0iog at gmail.com  Sat Nov 13 07:32:08 2010
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:32:08 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Hard Drive Problems???
In-Reply-To: <20101112232505.17ddb312.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
References: <20568209.0.1289590164640.JavaMail.trieff@gc40>
	<910920.2.1289590234857.JavaMail.trieff@gc40>
	<AANLkTi=RAg2AMcxKHinR=OLZs5kXjQBX9tCmrQy9kJT5@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101112232505.17ddb312.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinoriPdxW5JAfmF04QQHf-bxrsUSr55M3dhwZD_@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user <
jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com> wrote:

>
> >
> There are several Linux live CDs that you can use to recover data, such as
> Recovery Is Possible, INSITE, and others.  Some lists:
>
> http://distrowatch.com/search.php?category=Rescue&origin=All&basedon=All&notbasedon=None&desktop=All&architecture=All&status=Active
>
> http://distrowatch.com/search.php?category=Forensics&origin=All&basedon=All&notbasedon=None&desktop=All&architecture=All&status=Active
>
>
Yes, however I've found far more success in using Windows to recover
Windows.   I think this is mainly due to it's native understanding of NTFS.

Brian
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From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com  Mon Nov 15 00:51:08 2010
From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 00:51:08 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] My new Linux distro - Swift Linux
Message-ID: <20101115005108.5c7df64e.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>

I'm starting a new Linux distro called Swift Linux.  Version 0.0.0 is now available.  Check it out at http://www.swiftlinux.org .

No other distro offers the combination of speed, a superior repository, and user-friendliness that Swift Linux does.  Just as Linux Mint made Ubuntu more user-friendly, Swift Linux makes antiX Linux more user-friendly.  Swift Linux is antiX Linux remastered with easier default settings: ROX activated by default (just like Puppy Linux), Synaptic ready to roll out-of-the-box, and Flash-blocking and script blocking activated (yet easy to deactivate).

Swift Linux requires just 128 MB of RAM (256 MB recommended) and works on computers as old as the Windows 98 era.  Swift Linux is compatible with the superior Debian repository and can thus offers specialized software.  Swift Linux is so easy to use that even Jessica Simpson could use it.

As an added bonus, Swift Linux is actually more stable than Ubuntu and Mint, as its parent distro antiX Linux (like its parent distro MEPIS) is based on Debian Stable and Testing instead of Unstable.

-- 
Jason Hsu, Linux-literate embedded engineer
(952) 715-7661
embedded_engineer at jasonhsu.com
http://www.jasonhsu.com/ee.html
http://www.jasonhsu.com/swrwatt.html
http://www.jasonhsu.com/ee-robot.html


From austad at signal15.com  Mon Nov 15 17:11:57 2010
From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 17:11:57 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Any android developers here?
In-Reply-To: <4CDDD142.1090300@charter.net>
References: <ABA10C03-7754-4B45-A5F2-FD810A690C06@signal15.com>
	<4CDDD142.1090300@charter.net>
Message-ID: <7AB165B3-6246-4C26-8C85-66775D2A1799@signal15.com>

Not necessarily.  If I try to open an rtsp:// link in the browser, it passes it to my media player.  The thing is, the browser on Android will NOT allow me to bookmark anything other than http or https links.  I have a bunch of security cameras that do real time streaming over RTSP, and I want a way to bookmark them.  The media player won't let me do bookmarks at all.


On Nov 12, 2010, at 5:44 PM, Perry Hoekstra wrote:

> By open, do you mean into the browser?
> 
> Perry Hoekstra
> 
> On 11/12/2010 5:12 PM, Jay Austad wrote:
>> Just trying to figure out how to modify the Hello, Android tutorial program to display a button that will open a hardcoded URL.  The URL might not just be HTTP, it could be ftp, rtsp, or any number of other protocols.
>> 
>> --
>> jay austad  |  612.423.1433  |  austad at signal15.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

--
jay austad  |  612.423.1433  |  austad at signal15.com






From jus at krytosvirus.com  Mon Nov 15 17:21:47 2010
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 17:21:47 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Any android developers here?
In-Reply-To: <7AB165B3-6246-4C26-8C85-66775D2A1799@signal15.com>
References: <ABA10C03-7754-4B45-A5F2-FD810A690C06@signal15.com>
	<4CDDD142.1090300@charter.net>
	<7AB165B3-6246-4C26-8C85-66775D2A1799@signal15.com>
Message-ID: <1289863307.2482.5.camel@sysadmin3a>

I've never used android before so forgive me if this does not make
sense.
Can you just make a little cameras.html file somewhere (perhaps even
store it on your android) that has URLs to all of your cameras like: <a
href="rtsp://camera1.domain.com/">Camera1</a>. Then just open the file
in your browser and click on the links.

On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 17:11 -0600, Jay Austad wrote:

> Not necessarily.  If I try to open an rtsp:// link in the browser, it passes it to my media player.  The thing is, the browser on Android will NOT allow me to bookmark anything other than http or https links.  I have a bunch of security cameras that do real time streaming over RTSP, and I want a way to bookmark them.  The media player won't let me do bookmarks at all.
> 
> 
> On Nov 12, 2010, at 5:44 PM, Perry Hoekstra wrote:
> 
> > By open, do you mean into the browser?
> > 
> > Perry Hoekstra
> > 
> > On 11/12/2010 5:12 PM, Jay Austad wrote:
> >> Just trying to figure out how to modify the Hello, Android tutorial program to display a button that will open a hardcoded URL.  The URL might not just be HTTP, it could be ftp, rtsp, or any number of other protocols.
> >> 
> >> --
> >> jay austad  |  612.423.1433  |  austad at signal15.com
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> 
> --
> jay austad  |  612.423.1433  |  austad at signal15.com
> 
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> 
> 
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From rallias at ralliasubernerd.com  Mon Nov 15 19:59:21 2010
From: rallias at ralliasubernerd.com (rallias at ralliasubernerd.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:59:21 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] I need help...
Message-ID: <20101116015921.A7DEFEB833D@ralliasubernerd.com>

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I did something you probibilly wouldn't recommend. I went ahead and created a shared-home-directory for fedora and ubuntu. However, whenever I switch from ubuntu to fedora, the top bar of the windows disappear. Is there a "theme" that is shared between ubuntu and fedora?

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From pcutler at gnome.org  Mon Nov 15 20:34:24 2010
From: pcutler at gnome.org (Paul Cutler)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:34:24 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] I need help...
In-Reply-To: <20101116015921.A7DEFEB833D@ralliasubernerd.com>
References: <20101116015921.A7DEFEB833D@ralliasubernerd.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikae0bGU7wbme771ZQu+5O3FZHPckwwSw6sUH3S@mail.gmail.com>

Clearlooks is the default GNOME theme, you may want to try that.
Ubuntu does some minor customization of it, but if there is one that
would work, I would guess that one.  It may not work due to Ubuntu's
appindicator stuff, but it's worth a try.

Paul

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 7:59 PM,  <rallias at ralliasubernerd.com> wrote:
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> I did something you probibilly wouldn't recommend. I went ahead and created a shared-home-directory for fedora and ubuntu. However, whenever I switch from ubuntu to fedora, the top bar of the windows disappear. Is there a "theme" that is shared between ubuntu and fedora?
>
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From mark.russel.mitchell at gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 20:54:40 2010
From: mark.russel.mitchell at gmail.com (Mark Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:54:40 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Shopping for an OpenWRT router
Message-ID: <AANLkTimzwt8DYhbwcXqjFEfv+_5wSqwmZbk1niPCjSMd@mail.gmail.com>

I have been hunting all over, and I cannot find this simple information.

What's an 802.11g/n router _on the store shelves now_ (preferably
bricks/mortar) that I can buy that will comfortably run OpenWRT?
Gigabit ethernet would be nice, but not required.  I'm willing to
spend up to $100, maybe a bit more, if I have to.

I don't think I can get the firmware features I want in the native
firmware at that price, I tried that, and bought a router that, from
my reading of the box, I thought had something resembling a proxy
server.  I was wrong.  Don't know if I can return it.

My firmware feature list looks like this;
Must have;
Port forwarding

Nice-to-have;
QOS
proxy server

In order to run a proxy server comfortably, I think it's going to need
at least 8MB of flash.

Anyone got some advice?

Thanks,
Mark


From tonyyarusso at gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 21:21:07 2010
From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:21:07 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Shopping for an OpenWRT router
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimzwt8DYhbwcXqjFEfv+_5wSqwmZbk1niPCjSMd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimzwt8DYhbwcXqjFEfv+_5wSqwmZbk1niPCjSMd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikXzqhKRdPxdLi20izaiBLgyM7adPk8SuVohDRv@mail.gmail.com>

1) Asus RT-N16
2) Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH
3) Netgear WNR3500L-100NAS

Newegg carries all three; don't know about b&m status.

 - Tony


From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 01:50:36 2010
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 01:50:36 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] grepping tricks
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011160149390.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

I thought some of you would be interested in this.  See the last two 
paragraphs for the take-home messages.

I have a file that is 29 million lines long and about 3 GB total size.  I 
need to repeatedly grep lines from the file that match a certain kind of 
pattern.  Specifically, for strings A and B, I want to find every line 
that contains either both A and B, or two copies of A or two copies of B. 
Any other strings could be found before, after or between the two critical 
strings on the line.

This is the obvious method:

grep -E "(A|B).*(A|B)" data_file

or

grep -E "A.*B|B.*A|A.*A|B.*B" data_file

These two approaches take the same amount of time:

real    2m38.732s
user    2m38.126s
sys     0m0.591s


The structure of the data is such that A and B occur about 23,000 times 
each and the grep command above puts out about 10 lines.  This makes me 
think that I might get a faster result by doing a simpler grep on the big 
file and following that with the grep above.

grep -E "A|B" data_file | grep -E "(A|B).*(A|B)"

Yes, it saves about 30 seconds:

real    2m9.820s
user    2m9.595s
sys     0m0.570s


But grep -E is fairly slow so maybe I can do better by dropping the -E on 
the first grep like this:

( grep A data_file ; grep B data_file ) | grep -E "(A|B).*(A|B)"

But that reorders the lines and can repeat lines.  The input file was 
already sorted with all unique lines, so adding "sort -u" like this will 
give the same output as the commands considered earlier:

( grep A data_file ; grep B data_file ) | grep -E "(A|B).*(A|B)" | sort -u

real    0m7.573s
user    0m6.659s
sys     0m1.243s

That takes about 94% off the previously fastest method, but I can shave 
off another third by using "tee" to run the two grep jobs in parallel:

( < data_file tee >(grep A >| /tmp/file1) >(grep B >| /tmp/file2) > /dev/null ; grep -hE '(A|B).*(A|B)' /tmp/file[12] | sort -u ; rm /tmp/mbm[12] )

real    0m4.712s
user    0m7.244s
sys     0m3.738s


Using these tricks I have reduced the processing time from 158 seconds to 
4.7 seconds.  I'll write a script that does this for me.

So the finding here that might be useful in many situations is that when 
searching for a regexp in a big file, you might do much better to filter 
lines of the big file with a simpler, more inclusive grep, then do the 
regexp search on the stdout from the simple grep.

Mike


From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 02:00:39 2010
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 02:00:39 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] I need help...
In-Reply-To: <20101116015921.A7DEFEB833D@ralliasubernerd.com>
References: <20101116015921.A7DEFEB833D@ralliasubernerd.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011160152440.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

On Mon, 15 Nov 2010, rallias at ralliasubernerd.com wrote:

> I did something you probibilly wouldn't recommend. I went ahead and 
> created a shared-home-directory for fedora and ubuntu. However, whenever 
> I switch from ubuntu to fedora, the top bar of the windows disappear. Is 
> there a "theme" that is shared between ubuntu and fedora?


Do you mean that you are trying to run Gnome in Fedora without closing it 
in Ubuntu?  I know from running Gnome in VNC that it always fails if I try 
to run two sessions at once.  Some other window managers are fine with 
that, bu not Gnome.

Mike


From aristophrenic at warpmail.net  Tue Nov 16 06:48:05 2010
From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 06:48:05 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] grepping tricks
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011160149390.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011160149390.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <1289911685.10576.1405555597@webmail.messagingengine.com>



On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 01:50 -0600, "Mike Miller" <mbmiller+l at gmail.com>
wrote:

> 
> 
> Using these tricks I have reduced the processing time from 158 seconds to 
> 4.7 seconds.  I'll write a script that does this for me.
> 
> So the finding here that might be useful in many situations is that when 
> searching for a regexp in a big file, you might do much better to filter 
> lines of the big file with a simpler, more inclusive grep, then do the 
> regexp search on the stdout from the simple grep.
> 
Mike, My experience is that Perl does text file processing much faster
than grep/sed/awk and it saves programming time rather than having to
utilize all the neat tricks you've done.


From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 07:13:10 2010
From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 07:13:10 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] I need help...
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011160152440.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <20101116015921.A7DEFEB833D@ralliasubernerd.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1011160152440.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=52iN2HWiLfcYuOx_PSoQ2JD6Kw_yPze_E8d=W@mail.gmail.com>

I believe the "switch" the OP speaks of is dual booting while sharing
the same home partition for each distribution.

Jeremy MountainJohnson
jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com


On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 2:00 AM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 15 Nov 2010, rallias at ralliasubernerd.com wrote:
>
> > I did something you probibilly wouldn't recommend. I went ahead and
> > created a shared-home-directory for fedora and ubuntu. However, whenever
> > I switch from ubuntu to fedora, the top bar of the windows disappear. Is
> > there a "theme" that is shared between ubuntu and fedora?
>
>
> Do you mean that you are trying to run Gnome in Fedora without closing it
> in Ubuntu? ?I know from running Gnome in VNC that it always fails if I try
> to run two sessions at once. ?Some other window managers are fine with
> that, bu not Gnome.
>
> Mike
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From chrome at real-time.com  Tue Nov 16 07:41:48 2010
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 07:41:48 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] grepping tricks
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011160149390.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>;
	from mbmiller+l@gmail.com on Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 01:50:36AM -0600
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011160149390.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20101116074148.W29772@real-time.com>

On 11/16 01:50 , Mike Miller wrote:
> So the finding here that might be useful in many situations is that when 
> searching for a regexp in a big file, you might do much better to filter 
> lines of the big file with a simpler, more inclusive grep, then do the 
> regexp search on the stdout from the simple grep.

Nifty. Thanks for the tips and for letting us know the results of your
tests!

-- 
Carl Soderstrom
Systems Administrator
Real-Time Enterprises
www.real-time.com


From jus at krytosvirus.com  Tue Nov 16 07:53:56 2010
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:53:56 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] grepping tricks
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011160149390.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011160149390.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <912718653-1289915636-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-878067229-@bda588.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

If and when your patterns are string literals (no special meta characters) you might shave a bit more by doing "grep -F".

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From: Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com>
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 01:50:36 
To: TCLUG List<tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
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Subject: [tclug-list] grepping tricks

I thought some of you would be interested in this.  See the last two 
paragraphs for the take-home messages.

I have a file that is 29 million lines long and about 3 GB total size.  I 
need to repeatedly grep lines from the file that match a certain kind of 
pattern.  Specifically, for strings A and B, I want to find every line 
that contains either both A and B, or two copies of A or two copies of B. 
Any other strings could be found before, after or between the two critical 
strings on the line.

This is the obvious method:

grep -E "(A|B).*(A|B)" data_file

or

grep -E "A.*B|B.*A|A.*A|B.*B" data_file

These two approaches take the same amount of time:

real    2m38.732s
user    2m38.126s
sys     0m0.591s


The structure of the data is such that A and B occur about 23,000 times 
each and the grep command above puts out about 10 lines.  This makes me 
think that I might get a faster result by doing a simpler grep on the big 
file and following that with the grep above.

grep -E "A|B" data_file | grep -E "(A|B).*(A|B)"

Yes, it saves about 30 seconds:

real    2m9.820s
user    2m9.595s
sys     0m0.570s


But grep -E is fairly slow so maybe I can do better by dropping the -E on 
the first grep like this:

( grep A data_file ; grep B data_file ) | grep -E "(A|B).*(A|B)"

But that reorders the lines and can repeat lines.  The input file was 
already sorted with all unique lines, so adding "sort -u" like this will 
give the same output as the commands considered earlier:

( grep A data_file ; grep B data_file ) | grep -E "(A|B).*(A|B)" | sort -u

real    0m7.573s
user    0m6.659s
sys     0m1.243s

That takes about 94% off the previously fastest method, but I can shave 
off another third by using "tee" to run the two grep jobs in parallel:

( < data_file tee >(grep A >| /tmp/file1) >(grep B >| /tmp/file2) > /dev/null ; grep -hE '(A|B).*(A|B)' /tmp/file[12] | sort -u ; rm /tmp/mbm[12] )

real    0m4.712s
user    0m7.244s
sys     0m3.738s


Using these tricks I have reduced the processing time from 158 seconds to 
4.7 seconds.  I'll write a script that does this for me.

So the finding here that might be useful in many situations is that when 
searching for a regexp in a big file, you might do much better to filter 
lines of the big file with a simpler, more inclusive grep, then do the 
regexp search on the stdout from the simple grep.

Mike

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From nesius at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 09:19:22 2010
From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:19:22 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] grepping tricks
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011160149390.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011160149390.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
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On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 1:50 AM, Mike Miller
<mbmiller+l at gmail.com<mbmiller%2Bl at gmail.com>
> wrote:

> I thought some of you would be interested in this.  See the last two
> paragraphs for the take-home messages.
>
>
>
> So the finding here that might be useful in many situations is that when
> searching for a regexp in a big file, you might do much better to filter
> lines of the big file with a simpler, more inclusive grep, then do the
> regexp search on the stdout from the simple grep.
>
> Mike
>
>
I did enjoy reading that.  I think the real takeaway is that the more
complicated your regular expression, the longer it takes.  And by
complicated I mean the more wildcards and operators you have that induce
backtracking in the regular expression engine... Big logfiles make those
performance hits obvious.

Another trick I've learned with big logfiles is to load them into an SQL
database and then I can write searches as SQL queries.  Depending on the DB
you're using, you may have a nice little gui that makes writing queries and
manipulating results very easy.  I can't take credit for that one - but the
first time I saw someone do that I thought "holy cow.... why didn't I think
of that?"  Of course it helps if your log files are in CSV format or
something similar so you can slam everything into the right column easily.

-Rob
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From bbaptist at iexposure.com  Tue Nov 16 09:34:01 2010
From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:34:01 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Any android developers here?
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The simple things in life...


Bret.

On Monday, November 15, 2010 05:21:47 pm Justin Krejci wrote:
> I've never used android before so forgive me if this does not make
> sense.
> Can you just make a little cameras.html file somewhere (perhaps even
> store it on your android) that has URLs to all of your cameras like: <a
> href="rtsp://camera1.domain.com/">Camera1</a>. Then just open the file
> in your browser and click on the links.
> 
> On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 17:11 -0600, Jay Austad wrote:
> > Not necessarily.  If I try to open an rtsp:// link in the browser, it
> > passes it to my media player.  The thing is, the browser on Android will
> > NOT allow me to bookmark anything other than http or https links.  I
> > have a bunch of security cameras that do real time streaming over RTSP,
> > and I want a way to bookmark them.  The media player won't let me do
> > bookmarks at all.
> > 
> > On Nov 12, 2010, at 5:44 PM, Perry Hoekstra wrote:
> > > By open, do you mean into the browser?
> > > 
> > > Perry Hoekstra
> > > 
> > > On 11/12/2010 5:12 PM, Jay Austad wrote:
> > >> Just trying to figure out how to modify the Hello, Android tutorial
> > >> program to display a button that will open a hardcoded URL.  The URL
> > >> might not just be HTTP, it could be ftp, rtsp, or any number of other
> > >> protocols.
> > >> 
> > >> --
> > >> jay austad  |  612.423.1433  |  austad at signal15.com
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> > --
> > jay austad  |  612.423.1433  |  austad at signal15.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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From j at packetgod.com  Tue Nov 16 10:04:27 2010
From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:04:27 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Job Posting for a Security Engineer
Message-ID: <AANLkTinEjm7YF-h2RwY+VqPd-gr7mChG59ZscZMthnRW@mail.gmail.com>

Just wanted to get the word out that we are looking for a senior level
security engineer at MoneyGram.  While the position description asks for
quite a bit we are really looking for someone who has excelled in
engineering of some sort, be it network, system, or other and who has done
security in their area with a strong interest in moving towards a dedicated
security role.  More important than specific security experience is the
ability to learn new systems and environments quickly and the ability to
execute with limited supervision.

https://jobs-moneygram.icims.com/jobs/4729/job

If you have any questions please contact me at my work: jcruit at moneygram
dot com

Thanks much.

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From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 10:38:41 2010
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:38:41 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] grepping tricks
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, Isaac Atilano wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 01:50 -0600, "Mike Miller" <mbmiller+l at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Using these tricks I have reduced the processing time from 158 seconds 
>> to 4.7 seconds.  I'll write a script that does this for me.
>>
>> So the finding here that might be useful in many situations is that 
>> when searching for a regexp in a big file, you might do much better to 
>> filter lines of the big file with a simpler, more inclusive grep, then 
>> do the regexp search on the stdout from the simple grep.
>
> Mike, My experience is that Perl does text file processing much faster 
> than grep/sed/awk and it saves programming time rather than having to 
> utilize all the neat tricks you've done.

I think the simple grep of the large file is the key to reducing the work 
done by the regexp search -- it tosses out about 99.9% of the file so that 
grep -E has a lot less work.  Perl might do better than grep -E, but I 
really doubt it would beat ordinary grep at filtering the large file.

What's the trick to using perl for grepping?

Mike


From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 10:53:11 2010
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:53:11 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] grepping tricks
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, Justin Krejci wrote:

> If and when your patterns are string literals (no special meta 
> characters) you might shave a bit more by doing "grep -F".

Thanks for the tip.  I had tried "grep -f", but it was slower.  I didn't 
know about "grep -F", but I just tried it and it also is slower:

time echo -e "A\nB" | grep -F - data_file | grep -E "(A|B).*(A|B)"

real    2m44.955s
user    2m51.399s
sys     0m2.174s

That's worse than just doing the grep -E and skipping the grep -F.  I find 
it surprising that I can run "grep A" followed by "grep B" many times 
faster than "echo -e 'A\nB' | grep -F -".  The "grep -F" method is so slow 
that it seems like some kind of error in the programming.  I mean it's 
taking more than 20 times as long!  That really shouldn't happen.

But seriously, thanks anyway because it was a very good idea.

Mike


From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 11:01:02 2010
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:01:02 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] grepping tricks
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, Robert Nesius wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 1:50 AM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com<mbmiller%2Bl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I did enjoy reading that.  I think the real takeaway is that the more 
> complicated your regular expression, the longer it takes.  And by 
> complicated I mean the more wildcards and operators you have that induce 
> backtracking in the regular expression engine... Big logfiles make those 
> performance hits obvious.

Yep.  It's all about reducing the load on the slower regex grep.  Whether 
this will help must depend on the nature of the data, but for my data the 
initial, simple filter drops literally 99.9% of the file thus reducing the 
load on grep -E by 1000 times.


> Another trick I've learned with big logfiles is to load them into an SQL 
> database and then I can write searches as SQL queries.  Depending on the 
> DB you're using, you may have a nice little gui that makes writing 
> queries and manipulating results very easy.  I can't take credit for 
> that one - but the first time I saw someone do that I thought "holy 
> cow.... why didn't I think of that?"  Of course it helps if your log 
> files are in CSV format or something similar so you can slam everything 
> into the right column easily.


Yep -- I also thought of that and I'll bet it is the right way to work 
with these data.  Right now I'm just playing around with this file. 
Later on I'll have to recreate it.  After that I probably will make it 
into a Db.  It's about 29 million records and only 14 fields.  It has 
spaces aligning columns, but it is trivial to make it into a tab-delimited 
file, e.g.,

perl -pe 's/^ +// ; s/ +/\t/g' data_file > data_file.tab.txt

The only reason I haven't already tried the Db route is that I don't know 
how to do it.  One of my coworkers can do it and I'll try that later.

Mike


From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 11:33:20 2010
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:33:20 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] grepping tricks
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011161045430.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011160149390.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, Mike Miller wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, Justin Krejci wrote:
>
> Thanks for the tip.  I had tried "grep -f", but it was slower.  I didn't 
> know about "grep -F", but I just tried it and it also is slower:
>
> time echo -e "A\nB" | grep -F - data_file | grep -E "(A|B).*(A|B)"
>
> real    2m44.955s
> user    2m51.399s
> sys     0m2.174s


A guy on another list came up with the best overall solution so far.  It 
isn't quite as fast as my tricky "tee"-based method:

time fgrep -e A -e B data_file | grep -E '(A|B).*(A|B)'

real    0m6.411s
user    0m6.205s
sys     0m0.621s


That's only about 1.5 seconds slower than my fastest method, but my 
fastest method is a complicated mess.  This method is very simple and easy 
to remember.  It's something you can use.  Also, I'm pretty sure that it 
is the fastest method on a single-core.  The "tee" method was faster 
*only* because it was doing parallel processing on two cores.

Mike


From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 11:39:46 2010
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:39:46 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] grepping tricks
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011161123200.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011160149390.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
	<912718653-1289915636-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-878067229-@bda588.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, Mike Miller wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, Mike Miller wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the tip.  I had tried "grep -f", but it was slower.  I 
>> didn't know about "grep -F", but I just tried it and it also is slower:
>> 
>> time echo -e "A\nB" | grep -F - data_file | grep -E "(A|B).*(A|B)"
>> 
>> real    2m44.955s
>> user    2m51.399s
>> sys     0m2.174s
>
>
> A guy on another list came up with the best overall solution so far. 
> It isn't quite as fast as my tricky "tee"-based method:
>
> time fgrep -e A -e B data_file | grep -E '(A|B).*(A|B)'
>
> real    0m6.411s
> user    0m6.205s
> sys     0m0.621s


To be fair to Justin Krejci:  He recommended grep -F, but it was my idea 
to use it in the way I did, which did not work well, but fgrep is the same 
as grep -F, so this is identical to the fgrep line above:

time grep -F -e A -e B data_file | grep -E '(A|B).*(A|B)'

In other words, Justin's idea was quite sound.  I used to think that fgrep 
was grep -f, but it is grep -F.  I've learned a lot about grep in the past 
few hours!

Mike


From tclugl at whitleymott.net  Tue Nov 16 10:22:13 2010
From: tclugl at whitleymott.net (gregwm)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:22:13 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] mv into --bind
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can anyone show me a bash test to put before mv that will tell whether mv
will do a simple rename or a copy and delete?  for example for mv into a
--bind mount, df reports both locations as within the same fs, yet mv will
copy and delete.  the best test I can think of would create a file, mv and
see what happens.  can anyone concoct an accurate test that doesn't need to
create a test file?  (or perhaps reveal an mv alternative..)
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From austad at signal15.com  Tue Nov 16 13:52:27 2010
From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 13:52:27 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Any android developers here?
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I could do that...  I already thought about that.

But I wanted to do it as an app to get some experience developing for Android.  Android's built in VPN client config stuff is VERY limited.  I'd like to make a new frontend for it that allows me to modify the Phase 1 and Phase 2 proposals and use XAUTH, and configure multiple tunnels that could be up simultaneously.  Also, the app I want for my home automation system control is $100 on Android.  A comparable one on the iPhone with more features is less than half the price.  I have all of the tables for the commands to send and the decoding information for it, so I was thinking about making one the way I want it and selling it for less.  $100 is a steep price for an app that doesn't quite do what I want. 

I found a couple of really cool dev platforms that allow you to write your app once and then compile for multiple platforms:
- Titanium Developer
- RhoMobile
- PhoneGap

I grabbed RhoMobile and am playing around with it.  Titanium Developer is sweet, but you have to buy a monthly membership to view the tutorials.  Being able to write the apps in Ruby or Python is huge for me since I don't know java at all and don't really have the desire to learn it.  And, I can compile the app for BlackBerry, iPhone, and Android using a single codebase.

On Nov 16, 2010, at 9:34 AM, Bret Baptist wrote:

> The simple things in life...
> 
> 
> Bret.
> 
> On Monday, November 15, 2010 05:21:47 pm Justin Krejci wrote:
>> I've never used android before so forgive me if this does not make
>> sense.
>> Can you just make a little cameras.html file somewhere (perhaps even
>> store it on your android) that has URLs to all of your cameras like: <a
>> href="rtsp://camera1.domain.com/">Camera1</a>. Then just open the file
>> in your browser and click on the links.
>> 
>> On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 17:11 -0600, Jay Austad wrote:
>>> Not necessarily.  If I try to open an rtsp:// link in the browser, it
>>> passes it to my media player.  The thing is, the browser on Android will
>>> NOT allow me to bookmark anything other than http or https links.  I
>>> have a bunch of security cameras that do real time streaming over RTSP,
>>> and I want a way to bookmark them.  The media player won't let me do
>>> bookmarks at all.
>>> 
>>> On Nov 12, 2010, at 5:44 PM, Perry Hoekstra wrote:
>>>> By open, do you mean into the browser?
>>>> 
>>>> Perry Hoekstra
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/12/2010 5:12 PM, Jay Austad wrote:
>>>>> Just trying to figure out how to modify the Hello, Android tutorial
>>>>> program to display a button that will open a hardcoded URL.  The URL
>>>>> might not just be HTTP, it could be ftp, rtsp, or any number of other
>>>>> protocols.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> jay austad  |  612.423.1433  |  austad at signal15.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> 
>>> --
>>> jay austad  |  612.423.1433  |  austad at signal15.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
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From dutchman_mn at charter.net  Tue Nov 16 14:21:33 2010
From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (dutchman_mn at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:21:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Any android developers here?
Message-ID: <270758720.722.1289938898273.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>

I was actually turned on to RhoMobile based on a QCon presentation Adam 
Blum made.  It was quite illuminating on where he believes smartphones 
are headed: 
http://www.infoq.com/presentations/Future-Directions-in-Smartphones

Perry Hoekstra


From austad at signal15.com  Tue Nov 16 14:20:55 2010
From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:20:55 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Any android developers here?
In-Reply-To: <6D0901A2-D1F2-494B-9BCA-34404DCC4EA2@signal15.com>
References: <ABA10C03-7754-4B45-A5F2-FD810A690C06@signal15.com>
	<7AB165B3-6246-4C26-8C85-66775D2A1799@signal15.com>
	<1289863307.2482.5.camel@sysadmin3a>
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	<6D0901A2-D1F2-494B-9BCA-34404DCC4EA2@signal15.com>
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I just created an HTML file.  The browser allows me to bookmark the file:///mnt/sdcard/Dropbox/cams.html link.  However, if I try to add this bookmark to the home screen, when I click on it it says the app is no longer installed.  Weird.  So I still have to start the browser and go into my bookmarks list to get it working.

But, the cams play just fine.  

I just wanted to make this easy for my wife to view the cams.  Wirefly has awesome deals on the Mytouch 4g, and my wife lost her blackberry a couple of days ago, so I ordered her one up.  Go figure, I paid double for mine through T-mobile a week ago.  There are a couple of cam apps for Android, but they either don't support rtsp at all (only MJPEG), or they don't support the weird audio codec that my cams use.  The built in Media Room app streams it all just fine, but you cannot directly type the URL into it.  Stupid.

On Nov 16, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Jay Austad wrote:

> I could do that...  I already thought about that.
> 
> But I wanted to do it as an app to get some experience developing for Android.  Android's built in VPN client config stuff is VERY limited.  I'd like to make a new frontend for it that allows me to modify the Phase 1 and Phase 2 proposals and use XAUTH, and configure multiple tunnels that could be up simultaneously.  Also, the app I want for my home automation system control is $100 on Android.  A comparable one on the iPhone with more features is less than half the price.  I have all of the tables for the commands to send and the decoding information for it, so I was thinking about making one the way I want it and selling it for less.  $100 is a steep price for an app that doesn't quite do what I want. 
> 
> I found a couple of really cool dev platforms that allow you to write your app once and then compile for multiple platforms:
> - Titanium Developer
> - RhoMobile
> - PhoneGap
> 
> I grabbed RhoMobile and am playing around with it.  Titanium Developer is sweet, but you have to buy a monthly membership to view the tutorials.  Being able to write the apps in Ruby or Python is huge for me since I don't know java at all and don't really have the desire to learn it.  And, I can compile the app for BlackBerry, iPhone, and Android using a single codebase.
> 
> On Nov 16, 2010, at 9:34 AM, Bret Baptist wrote:
> 
>> The simple things in life...
>> 
>> 
>> Bret.
>> 
>> On Monday, November 15, 2010 05:21:47 pm Justin Krejci wrote:
>>> I've never used android before so forgive me if this does not make
>>> sense.
>>> Can you just make a little cameras.html file somewhere (perhaps even
>>> store it on your android) that has URLs to all of your cameras like: <a
>>> href="rtsp://camera1.domain.com/">Camera1</a>. Then just open the file
>>> in your browser and click on the links.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 17:11 -0600, Jay Austad wrote:
>>>> Not necessarily.  If I try to open an rtsp:// link in the browser, it
>>>> passes it to my media player.  The thing is, the browser on Android will
>>>> NOT allow me to bookmark anything other than http or https links.  I
>>>> have a bunch of security cameras that do real time streaming over RTSP,
>>>> and I want a way to bookmark them.  The media player won't let me do
>>>> bookmarks at all.
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 12, 2010, at 5:44 PM, Perry Hoekstra wrote:
>>>>> By open, do you mean into the browser?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Perry Hoekstra
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/12/2010 5:12 PM, Jay Austad wrote:
>>>>>> Just trying to figure out how to modify the Hello, Android tutorial
>>>>>> program to display a button that will open a hardcoded URL.  The URL
>>>>>> might not just be HTTP, it could be ftp, rtsp, or any number of other
>>>>>> protocols.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> jay austad  |  612.423.1433  |  austad at signal15.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> jay austad  |  612.423.1433  |  austad at signal15.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> 
>> -- 
>> Bret Baptist
>> Senior Network Administrator
>> bbaptist at iexposure.com
>> Internet Exposure, Inc.
>> http://www.iexposure.com
>> (612) 676-1946 x117
>> 
>> Providing Internet Services since 1995
>> Web Development ~ Search Engine Marketing ~ Web Analytics
>> Network Security ~ On Demand Tech Support ~ E-Mail Marketing
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> --
> jay austad  |  612.423.1433  |  austad at signal15.com
> 
> 
> 
> 

--
jay austad  |  612.423.1433  |  austad at signal15.com






From austad at signal15.com  Tue Nov 16 14:24:55 2010
From: austad at signal15.com (Jay Austad)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:24:55 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Zenoss SNMP Trap event mapping question
In-Reply-To: <6D0901A2-D1F2-494B-9BCA-34404DCC4EA2@signal15.com>
References: <ABA10C03-7754-4B45-A5F2-FD810A690C06@signal15.com>
	<7AB165B3-6246-4C26-8C85-66775D2A1799@signal15.com>
	<1289863307.2482.5.camel@sysadmin3a>
	<201011160934.01536.bbaptist@iexposure.com>
	<6D0901A2-D1F2-494B-9BCA-34404DCC4EA2@signal15.com>
Message-ID: <3A936BC2-5339-4757-9BC8-F9C366FDB5E7@signal15.com>

I have a Zenoss box set up to receive traps from a whole bunch of Juniper EX switches.  If I yank a power supply on one of the switches, I get a trap and an event in the event log.  But it's not mapped to an event type or a severity level, so the alerts never fire off.  Does anyone know an easy way to map this stuff?  I've loaded all of the MIB's for Juniper, so it's not just a bare OID in the event log anymore.  But I still need to figure out how to map this stuff.

I'd rather not have to go through and map every possible event manually.  There are traps for almost everything, it would be a monumental task.  But, if I have to do it, I guess I can pick and choose the major ones that I want to see and do them manually.  None of the methods listed in the docs and forum posts I've read have worked.


~jay

From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 14:34:17 2010
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:34:17 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] grepping tricks
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011161136160.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011160149390.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
	<912718653-1289915636-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-878067229-@bda588.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1011161045430.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, Mike Miller wrote:

>> time fgrep -e A -e B data_file | grep -E '(A|B).*(A|B)'
>> 
>> real    0m6.411s
>> user    0m6.205s
>> sys     0m0.621s
>
>
> To be fair to Justin Krejci:  He recommended grep -F, but it was my idea 
> to use it in the way I did, which did not work well, but fgrep is the 
> same as grep -F, so this is identical to the fgrep line above:
>
> time grep -F -e A -e B data_file | grep -E '(A|B).*(A|B)'


The way grep works with -F and/or -f is pretty strange.  I'm using grep 
(GNU grep) 2.5.1.  Here are some results for -Ff, -f and -F:

This is super-fast...

time -p echo -e "A\nB" | grep -Ff - data_file | grep -E "(A|B).*(A|B)"

real 6.45
user 6.22
sys 0.59

...but either of these takes forever:

time -p echo -e "A\nB" | grep -f - data_file | grep -E "(A|B).*(A|B)"

real 213.69
user 213.40
sys 0.63

time -p echo -e "A\nB" | grep -F - data_file | grep -E "(A|B).*(A|B)"

real 165.59
user 177.51
sys 2.48


All three give exactly the same output.  That speed difference is pretty 
amazing.  I have no idea what grep is doing differently in the slower 
cases that would justify all that extra time.  By the way, A and B are 
both 5-digit strings, nothing long or weird.

Mike


From nesius at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 14:57:51 2010
From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 14:57:51 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] mv into --bind
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=5FrjSGK9z_C1ow1=tMfb1eMaov_iWNv12cJ+_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinLDQCba26pBC6KjA1uj76NTrNWQ+gEcYa90V_T@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <AANLkTikmtpKY1qVaHr2MwmyjR6KBGcO+J+r_+bt4endg@mail.gmail.com>

Look at the source for mv and see what it's test is....

I submitted a patch to cvs once that fixed an error that involved these
semantics - oh because cvs was doing a rename when it should have been doing
a move.  Rename fails across filesystems, move works.   It might be
something as simple as 'if the rename system call fails - do a
copy/delete".   In point of fact, I think there is a rename command but I'm
not sure if it is a literal wrapper for the rename syscall and has the same
symantics or not...

Just giving ideas/spitballing.

-Rob


On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 10:22 AM, gregwm <tclugl at whitleymott.net> wrote:

> can anyone show me a bash test to put before mv that will tell whether mv
> will do a simple rename or a copy and delete?  for example for mv into a
> --bind mount, df reports both locations as within the same fs, yet mv will
> copy and delete.  the best test I can think of would create a file, mv and
> see what happens.  can anyone concoct an accurate test that doesn't need to
> create a test file?  (or perhaps reveal an mv alternative..)
>
> _______________________________________________
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From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 15:26:49 2010
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:26:49 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] mv into --bind
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, Robert Nesius wrote:

> In point of fact, I think there is a rename command but I'm not sure if 
> it is a literal wrapper for the rename syscall and has the same 
> symantics or not...

Slightly off-topic:

I have a rename program on my Ubuntu system, but it's from perl v5.10.0. 
It's pretty nice little thing to have, I'd guess, but I never knew it was 
there until now and I haven't had a chance to study it much.  It looks 
nice though.

Mike


From chrome at real-time.com  Tue Nov 16 16:19:12 2010
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 16:19:12 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Any android developers here?
In-Reply-To: <270758720.722.1289938898273.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>;
	from dutchman_mn@charter.net on Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 03:21:33PM
	-0500
References: <270758720.722.1289938898273.JavaMail.javamailuser@localhost>
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On 11/16 03:21 , dutchman_mn at charter.net wrote:
> I was actually turned on to RhoMobile based on a QCon presentation Adam 
> Blum made.  It was quite illuminating on where he believes smartphones 
> are headed: 
> http://www.infoq.com/presentations/Future-Directions-in-Smartphones

Interesting exposition. Lots of new ideas in the usage of smartphones I
hadn't considered.

-- 
Carl Soderstrom
Systems Administrator
Real-Time Enterprises
www.real-time.com


From dutchman_mn at charter.net  Tue Nov 16 16:29:48 2010
From: dutchman_mn at charter.net (Perry Hoekstra)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 16:29:48 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Any android developers here?
In-Reply-To: <20101116161912.A29772@real-time.com>
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Message-ID: <4CE305DC.408@charter.net>

One of the things Adam mentioned was the power that cell phones 
currently have and are planning for in the future.  Intel is beefing up 
their smartphone chip line and AMD in getting into the act with both of 
them supporting the Meego (www.meego.com) which is very Linux-based 
(even more so than Android).  I was just reading today an article today 
that I ran into on chips/GPU for the smartphone/netbook arena: 
http://www.techautos.com/2010/03/14/smartphone-processor-guide

Perry Hoekstra

On 11/16/2010 4:19 PM, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote:
> On 11/16 03:21 , dutchman_mn at charter.net wrote:
>> I was actually turned on to RhoMobile based on a QCon presentation Adam
>> Blum made.  It was quite illuminating on where he believes smartphones
>> are headed:
>> http://www.infoq.com/presentations/Future-Directions-in-Smartphones
> Interesting exposition. Lots of new ideas in the usage of smartphones I
> hadn't considered.
>




From josh at tcbug.org  Tue Nov 16 17:57:41 2010
From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 17:57:41 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] grepping tricks
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011161053410.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011160149390.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
	<AANLkTik2jcFe6dA3e-1p=gh+R76SKzrfP=YpwT93zOn+@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1011161053410.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <201011161757.46899.josh@tcbug.org>

On Tuesday, November 16, 2010 11:01:02 am Mike Miller wrote:

<snip>

The old adage goes....

I once had a problem that I thought I'd solve with a regex.
Then I realized I had two problems.

My O'RA regex book is about a thousand pages.  Fun stuff but playing with 
regexes is pretty much a never ending optimizing game.  Eventually the returns 
get very small compared the the effort expended, then you stop, because hey, 
it's a multi gabigahurz system and it runs fast enough....

-- 
Thanks,

Josh Paetzel
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From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 18:11:32 2010
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:11:32 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] grepping tricks
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, Josh Paetzel wrote:

> On Tuesday, November 16, 2010 11:01:02 am Mike Miller wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> The old adage goes....
>
> I once had a problem that I thought I'd solve with a regex.
> Then I realized I had two problems.
>
> My O'RA regex book is about a thousand pages.  Fun stuff but playing 
> with regexes is pretty much a never ending optimizing game.  Eventually 
> the returns get very small compared the the effort expended, then you 
> stop, because hey, it's a multi gabigahurz system and it runs fast 
> enough....


I have that book.  I probably read a chapter once.  I use regex all the 
time in perl to do basic tasks and it presents no serious problems because 
I'm doing small jobs.  When I have to repeatedly sift through a 3 GB file, 
it's a little different and so I spent a little more time on it.  Note 
that I really didn't do anything about the regex -- I kept that the same. 
All the playing around was with the ordinary grep commands that I used as 
a filter before piping the data to the regex.  The interesting finding was 
that -f, -F and -Ff all did the same thing in my application but -Ff was 
more than 30 times faster than -f.

Mike


From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Wed Nov 17 02:27:14 2010
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 02:27:14 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk at Penguins Unbound Meeting - Saturday
	November 20th
Message-ID: <4CE391E2.9070601@Goecke-Dolan.com>

This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be
Saturday October 30th at TIES,
1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108
from 10:00am to 4:00pm
(See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more
info.)

Daniel Taylor will talk about Asterisk

How to set it up as a local VOIP-POTS gateway with voicemail and 
extensions. He will also answer question about Asterisk.


*** STREAMING ***
If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting.
mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800

I was able to connect to this stream with mplayer on Ubuntu 10.04, here
is the command I used:
mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800

I have heard that VLC should work, but I couldn't get it to work.

==>brian.


From nealzimm at cpinternet.com  Wed Nov 17 07:36:33 2010
From: nealzimm at cpinternet.com (Neal Zimmermann)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 07:36:33 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk at Penguins Unbound Meeting - Saturday
 November 20th
In-Reply-To: <4CE391E2.9070601@Goecke-Dolan.com>
References: <4CE391E2.9070601@Goecke-Dolan.com>
Message-ID: <1290000993.2442.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I have found that for vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 works

Regards,

Neal


On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 02:27 -0600, Brian wrote:
> This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be
> Saturday October 30th at TIES,
> 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108
> from 10:00am to 4:00pm
> (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more
> info.)
> 
> Daniel Taylor will talk about Asterisk
> 
> How to set it up as a local VOIP-POTS gateway with voicemail and 
> extensions. He will also answer question about Asterisk.
> 
> 
> *** STREAMING ***
> If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting.
> mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800
> 
> I was able to connect to this stream with mplayer on Ubuntu 10.04, here
> is the command I used:
> mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800
> 
> I have heard that VLC should work, but I couldn't get it to work.
> 
> ==>brian.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Wed Nov 17 11:26:39 2010
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:26:39 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk at Penguins Unbound Meeting - Saturday
 November 20th
In-Reply-To: <1290000993.2442.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <4CE391E2.9070601@Goecke-Dolan.com>
	<1290000993.2442.2.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <4CE4104F.8020306@Goecke-Dolan.com>

Thanks!

I will post that.

==>brian.

On 11/17/2010 07:36 AM, Neal Zimmermann wrote:
> I have found that for vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 works
>
> Regards,
>
> Neal
>
>
> On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 02:27 -0600, Brian wrote:
>> This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be
>> Saturday October 30th at TIES,
>> 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108
>> from 10:00am to 4:00pm
>> (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more
>> info.)
>>
>> Daniel Taylor will talk about Asterisk
>>
>> How to set it up as a local VOIP-POTS gateway with voicemail and
>> extensions. He will also answer question about Asterisk.
>>
>>
>> *** STREAMING ***
>> If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting.
>> mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800
>>
>> I was able to connect to this stream with mplayer on Ubuntu 10.04, here
>> is the command I used:
>> mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800
>>
>> I have heard that VLC should work, but I couldn't get it to work.
>>
>> ==>brian.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Wed Nov 17 12:01:55 2010
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:01:55 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] *Updated Nov. 20th* Asterisk at Penguins Unbound
	Meeting - Saturday
Message-ID: <4CE41893.7050902@Goecke-Dolan.com>

This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be
Saturday November 20th at TIES,
1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108
from 10:00am to 12:00pm
(See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more
info.)

Daniel Taylor will talk about Asterisk

How to set it up as a local VOIP-POTS gateway with voicemail and
extensions. He will also answer question about Asterisk.


*** STREAMING ***
If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting.
mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800

I was able to connect to this stream with mplayer on Ubuntu 10.04, here
is the command I used:
mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800

I have heard that this url,
http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800
works with VLC. (Thanks Neal!)

==>brian.


From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Wed Nov 17 12:32:32 2010
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:32:32 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Shopping for an OpenWRT router
Message-ID: <4CE41FC0.9090300@Goecke-Dolan.com>

That is Awesome! Thanks Tony.

I did a search for DD-Wrt at new egg and got a list of 15 wireless 
routers that supported DD-Wrt in price range from over $100 to $18 ($18 
one was a open box).

Cool.  Maybe it is time to get a new wireless router ?  Or wireless 
anything because you can do a lot with

==>brian.

Tony Yarusso wrote:
 > 1) Asus RT-N16
 > 2) Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH
 > 3) Netgear WNR3500L-100NAS
 >
 > Newegg carries all three; don't know about b&m status.
 >
 >  - Tony
 >
 > _______________________________________________
 > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
 > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
 > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



From jolexa at jolexa.net  Wed Nov 17 12:45:21 2010
From: jolexa at jolexa.net (Jeremy Olexa)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:45:21 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Shopping for an OpenWRT router
In-Reply-To: <4CE41FC0.9090300@Goecke-Dolan.com>
References: <4CE41FC0.9090300@Goecke-Dolan.com>
Message-ID: <e407e9a10d7e99486916d9e28762a8b4@webmail.jolexa.net>

 On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:32:32 -0600, Brian wrote:
> That is Awesome! Thanks Tony.
>
> I did a search for DD-Wrt at new egg and got a list of 15 wireless
> routers that supported DD-Wrt in price range from over $100 to $18 
> ($18
> one was a open box).

 You made a critical mistake by searching for "dd-wrt" - go straight to 
 the supported list and find a model you like.

 http://dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices#Supported_Devices
 
> Cool.  Maybe it is time to get a new wireless router ?  Or wireless
> anything because you can do a lot with



From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 12:53:45 2010
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:53:45 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] grepping tricks
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011161805010.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011160149390.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
	<AANLkTik2jcFe6dA3e-1p=gh+R76SKzrfP=YpwT93zOn+@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1011161053410.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
	<201011161757.46899.josh@tcbug.org>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1011161805010.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011171249120.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

On Tue, 16 Nov 2010, Mike Miller wrote:

> The interesting finding was that -f, -F and -Ff all did the same thing 
> in my application but -Ff was more than 30 times faster than -f.

A guy named Robert Citek on Missouri Linux Users Group came up with some 
more helpful info for me (see below).  It turns out that grep -F was doing 
*nothing* with one of the ways I was running it because it works nothing 
like grep -f (huge mistake on my part).  I also found out that I knew 
nothing about file caching in RAM, which is extremely important here.  I 
still don't get why grep -Ff would be 30 times faster than grep -f.

Mike


> I suspect that your system has enough RAM to cache the datafile's 
> contents.  For example, here are the results of reading a 200 MB file 
> twice on my system right after flushing the cache:
>
> $ sync ; echo 3 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches >& /dev/null
>
> $ time -p cat zeros.2M >& /dev/null
> real 4.16
> user 0.02
> sys 0.65
>
> $ time -p cat zeros.2M >& /dev/null
> real 0.22
> user 0.00
> sys 0.20
>
> The second time is about 20x faster because the contents are in cache.

Very interesting.  Yes, there is enough RAM on the system.  I had no idea 
that the file was held in RAM like that.  That explains a lot.  If 
different users are accessing the file repeatedly, will one copy stay in 
RAM and be accessible to all of the users, or would multiple users have to 
cache it multiple times?


>> time -p echo -e "A\nB" | grep -Ff - data_file | grep -E "(A|B).*(A|B)"
>>
>> real 6.45
>> user 6.22
>> sys 0.59
>>
>> ...but either of these takes forever:
>>
>> time -p echo -e "A\nB" | grep -f - data_file | grep -E "(A|B).*(A|B)"
>>
>> real 213.69
>> user 213.40
>> sys 0.63
>>
>> time -p echo -e "A\nB" | grep -F - data_file | grep -E "(A|B).*(A|B)"
>>
>> real 165.59
>> user 177.51
>> sys 2.48
>>
>>
>> All three give exactly the same output.
>
> I suspect that the intermediate output will be different.  How do
> these three compare?
>
> time -p echo -e "A\nB" | grep -F -f - data_file | wc -l
> time -p echo -e "A\nB" | grep -f - data_file | wc -l
> time -p echo -e "A\nB" | grep -F - data_file | wc -l


OK.  Now I get it -- the grep -F command wasn't doing *anything*:


time -p echo -e "A\nB" | grep -Ff - data_file | wc -l
38015
real 7.54
user 5.88
sys 1.41


time -p echo -e "A\nB" | grep -f - data_file | wc -l
38015
real 254.83
user 254.23
sys 0.58


time -p echo -e "A\nB" | grep -F - data_file | wc -l
28921815
real 9.04
user 9.02
sys 2.48


That makes sense, but I still wonder why use of -Ff is more than 30 times 
faster than -f.

Thanks a lot, Robert.  I've been learning a lot today.

Mike


From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Wed Nov 17 13:01:48 2010
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 13:01:48 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Shopping for an OpenWRT router
In-Reply-To: <e407e9a10d7e99486916d9e28762a8b4@webmail.jolexa.net>
References: <4CE41FC0.9090300@Goecke-Dolan.com>
	<e407e9a10d7e99486916d9e28762a8b4@webmail.jolexa.net>
Message-ID: <4CE4269C.70301@Goecke-Dolan.com>

Yes, that is a good place to look for a supported models.

But I is easier to buy one if you are at a place that sells them. That 
is why I was searching at newegg.

In the past it I have had a hard time finding somewhere that is selling 
the supported model. (Had this problem with access points, wireless 
cards, motherboards... and more hardware)

So the important point here what you can goto an online store and search 
for dd-wrt and models that work, that they have in stock, and you can 
buy right now will show up!

==>brian.



On 11/17/2010 12:45 PM, Jeremy Olexa wrote:
>   On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:32:32 -0600, Brian wrote:
>> That is Awesome! Thanks Tony.
>>
>> I did a search for DD-Wrt at new egg and got a list of 15 wireless
>> routers that supported DD-Wrt in price range from over $100 to $18
>> ($18
>> one was a open box).
>
>   You made a critical mistake by searching for "dd-wrt" - go straight to
>   the supported list and find a model you like.
>
>   http://dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices#Supported_Devices
>
>> Cool.  Maybe it is time to get a new wireless router ?  Or wireless
>> anything because you can do a lot with
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



From jima at beer.tclug.org  Thu Nov 18 00:18:01 2010
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:18:01 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Shopping for an OpenWRT router
In-Reply-To: <e407e9a10d7e99486916d9e28762a8b4@webmail.jolexa.net>
References: <4CE41FC0.9090300@Goecke-Dolan.com>
	<e407e9a10d7e99486916d9e28762a8b4@webmail.jolexa.net>
Message-ID: <4CE4C519.5030109@beer.tclug.org>

On 11/17/2010 12:45 PM, Jeremy Olexa wrote:
>   On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:32:32 -0600, Brian wrote:
>> That is Awesome! Thanks Tony.
>>
>> I did a search for DD-Wrt at new egg and got a list of 15 wireless
>> routers that supported DD-Wrt in price range from over $100 to $18
>> ($18
>> one was a open box).
>
>   You made a critical mistake by searching for "dd-wrt" - go straight to
>   the supported list and find a model you like.

  I wouldn't call it a "critical mistake."  Manufacturers have been 
known to change core hardware with little to no fanfare -- often 
crippling open-source distros.  Couple that with a general inability to 
determine what hardware rev the device you're going to receive is, and 
finding a compatible router becomes difficult quickly.  However, when 
the vendor and manufacturer both tout support for open-source 
distributions as a listed feature, you have some recourse if the product 
doesn't live up to the hype.

  And yeah, I've had trouble finding models off an HCL -- oftentimes 
they get discontinued.

      Jima


From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com  Sun Nov  7 08:03:05 2010
From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson)
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 08:03:05 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] rhythmbox file checking issue
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011062352140.16535@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011062352140.16535@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <4CD6B199.5030202@gmail.com>

Hmm, I don't seem to have this problem, I'm running the 0.13.2 version. 
However I have two thoughts; turning off the "Watch my library for new 
files" in preferences under the music tab (I know this may do the same 
thing as the --no-update flag, but worth a shot). Another thought is, 
perhaps checking out the application Quod Libet- very similar to 
Rhythmbox but a bit lighter.

I actually prefer Rhythmbox / Quod Libet because they will update my 
library as I add files to my Music directory. Audacious is a nice 
skinnable app that does not do any updating to it's file play list- 
another option if you want to have sole control over what goes on your 
playlist(s) without any application interference.

*Jeremy MountainJohnson*
jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com <mailto:jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com>


On 11/07/2010 12:23 AM, Mike Miller wrote:
> Back story:
>
> Do any of you use rhythmbox?  It's supposed to be an iTunes replacement
> for Linux systems.  I gave it a try, had it recurse my audio file
> directory tree and it seemed to find everything (much better than iTunes
> on Windows a few years ago -- it only found half of the files) and I
> really like the xml format it uses for the db and that it allows the user
> to specify the db file at startup (--rhythmdb-file option).  The file
> location is given in the<location>  field in the xml and it can be a local
> file (file://) or a URL.  This also makes it possible to do cool stuff
> like translate the locations (using perl, say) from file:// to http:// so
> that you can access them remotely if you have a web server on the machine,
> or you can copy the db to another machine and edit the locations to have a
> different mount point.
>
> Question:
>
> Whenever I start up rhythmbox, it checks all of the files.  I'm not sure
> of what it is checking, and it runs pretty fast per file, when the files
> are on a local drive, but any checking is pointless when I know the files
> haven't changed.  It is a very serious problem when the files are located
> on an internet server and you have more than 50,000 files.  I need to find
> a way to make rhythmbox stop checking, or maybe never start checking.
> There are a few options that seem like they would work, but they don't
> work so I'm hoping someone here will have an idea.  None of these options
> do the trick:
>
>      --no-update              Do not update the library with file changes
>      -n, --no-registration    Do not register the shell
>      --dry-run                Don't save any data permanently (implies --no-registration)
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mike
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 20:17:04 2010
From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:17:04 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] I need help...
In-Reply-To: <20101116015921.A7DEFEB833D@ralliasubernerd.com>
References: <20101116015921.A7DEFEB833D@ralliasubernerd.com>
Message-ID: <4CE1E9A0.8020007@gmail.com>

Sounds like you are missing a metacity theme on one installation (the 
home directory contains configuration for themes)... I don't use either 
of those distros, but I assume they are both Gnome / Metacity for window 
management. Match up the Metacity themes (make sure both installations 
have them installed) and I think you will be good to go.

*Jeremy MountainJohnson*
jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com <mailto:jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com>


On 11/15/2010 07:59 PM, rallias at ralliasubernerd.com wrote:
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> I did something you probibilly wouldn't recommend. I went ahead and created a shared-home-directory for fedora and ubuntu. However, whenever I switch from ubuntu to fedora, the top bar of the windows disappear. Is there a "theme" that is shared between ubuntu and fedora?
>
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>
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From BrianDG at Goecke-Dolan.com  Mon Nov 15 23:15:12 2010
From: BrianDG at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 23:15:12 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Shopping for an OpenWRT router
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikXzqhKRdPxdLi20izaiBLgyM7adPk8SuVohDRv@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimzwt8DYhbwcXqjFEfv+_5wSqwmZbk1niPCjSMd@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikXzqhKRdPxdLi20izaiBLgyM7adPk8SuVohDRv@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CE21360.3070404@Goecke-Dolan.com>

That is Awesome! Thanks Tony.

I did a search for DD-Wrt at new egg and got a list of 15 wireless 
routers that supported DD-Wrt in price range from over $100 to $18 ($18 
one was a open box).

Cool.  Maybe it is time to get a new wireless router ?  Or wireless 
anything because you can do a lot with

==>brian.

Tony Yarusso wrote:
> 1) Asus RT-N16
> 2) Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH
> 3) Netgear WNR3500L-100NAS
> 
> Newegg carries all three; don't know about b&m status.
> 
>  - Tony
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



From jbridger2 at cyberians.com  Wed Nov 17 07:19:55 2010
From: jbridger2 at cyberians.com (Jonah Bridger)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 07:19:55 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk at Penguins Unbound Meeting -
	SaturdayNovember 20th
In-Reply-To: <4CE391E2.9070601@Goecke-Dolan.com>
References: <4CE391E2.9070601@Goecke-Dolan.com>
Message-ID: <339DCC8068C149FF90E204075950BDF4@NEPTUNE>

October 30th? Its already November...

-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Brian
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 2:27 AM
To: tclug-list
Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk at Penguins Unbound Meeting -
SaturdayNovember 20th

This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be
Saturday October 30th at TIES,
1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108
from 10:00am to 4:00pm
(See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more
info.)

Daniel Taylor will talk about Asterisk

How to set it up as a local VOIP-POTS gateway with voicemail and 
extensions. He will also answer question about Asterisk.


*** STREAMING ***
If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting.
mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800

I was able to connect to this stream with mplayer on Ubuntu 10.04, here
is the command I used:
mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800

I have heard that VLC should work, but I couldn't get it to work.

==>brian.

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



From jolexa at jolexa.net  Thu Nov 18 13:10:44 2010
From: jolexa at jolexa.net (Jeremy Olexa)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:10:44 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Shopping for an OpenWRT router
In-Reply-To: <4CE4C519.5030109@beer.tclug.org>
References: <4CE41FC0.9090300@Goecke-Dolan.com>
	<e407e9a10d7e99486916d9e28762a8b4@webmail.jolexa.net>
	<4CE4C519.5030109@beer.tclug.org>
Message-ID: <a9db9b07b780c313b5ec8cf44148b1a8@webmail.jolexa.net>

 On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:18:01 -0600, Jima wrote:
> On 11/17/2010 12:45 PM, Jeremy Olexa wrote:

>>   You made a critical mistake by searching for "dd-wrt" - go 
>> straight to
>>   the supported list and find a model you like.
>
>   I wouldn't call it a "critical mistake."  Manufacturers have been
> known to change core hardware with little to no fanfare -- often

 Okok, 'critical' was the wrong word. What I meant was:

 - Searching for "dd-wrt" *and* relying only on only those search 
 results won't give you the whole picture.
 - If a company actually lists dd-wrt on the box, they might (or might 
 not) charge a premium for this.
 - A company claiming dd-wrt on the box might not mean that is it "easy" 
 to install the OS - there might be caveats footnoted on the HCL/wiki. 
 (eg, only use TFTP to install/upgrade on Belkin, etc)

 What I normally do is find a model that I like given my requirements 
 (price, hardware, etc), then look on the HCL to see if it is supported 
 with the OS that I want to put on it. If not, find a new model. Seems to 
 work given the expansive HCL that dd-wrt claims. Well..I've only shopped 
 for routers once :)

 -Jeremy


From florin at iucha.net  Thu Nov 18 14:06:32 2010
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:06:32 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Shopping for an OpenWRT router
In-Reply-To: <a9db9b07b780c313b5ec8cf44148b1a8@webmail.jolexa.net>
References: <4CE41FC0.9090300@Goecke-Dolan.com>
	<e407e9a10d7e99486916d9e28762a8b4@webmail.jolexa.net>
	<4CE4C519.5030109@beer.tclug.org>
	<a9db9b07b780c313b5ec8cf44148b1a8@webmail.jolexa.net>
Message-ID: <20101118200632.GN2306@styx.iucha.org>

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 01:10:44PM -0600, Jeremy Olexa wrote:
>  - If a company actually lists dd-wrt on the box, they might (or might 
>  not) charge a premium for this.
>  - A company claiming dd-wrt on the box might not mean that is it "easy" 
>  to install the OS - there might be caveats footnoted on the HCL/wiki. 
>  (eg, only use TFTP to install/upgrade on Belkin, etc)

I could go along with a few bucks extra, if it was easier to install
and manage.  For instance, Netgear xyz "open source" edition could
come with a serial port for a console, to help debugging and
un-bricking.  They call it 'open source' because they are using the
same chipset as Linksys did five years ago and people learned how to
hack their way through it.  They don't even support Linux 2.6 out of
the box, they are waiting for the 'community' to do that work for
them.

[Last night I installed OpenWRT on a WRT54GS and the first upload
bricked the box so I had to precariously short pins 5 and 6 on the
flash chip while powering on the unit, watching for ping replies in
a window and starting a tftp put in another.  It worked from the third
try, but I could have spent three hours doing it.  I would have spent
a buck extra for a serial header soldered on the board.]

Cheers,
florin

-- 
Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition.
      http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163
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From jima at beer.tclug.org  Thu Nov 18 22:19:25 2010
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:19:25 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Shopping for an OpenWRT router
In-Reply-To: <a9db9b07b780c313b5ec8cf44148b1a8@webmail.jolexa.net>
References: <4CE41FC0.9090300@Goecke-Dolan.com>	<e407e9a10d7e99486916d9e28762a8b4@webmail.jolexa.net>	<4CE4C519.5030109@beer.tclug.org>
	<a9db9b07b780c313b5ec8cf44148b1a8@webmail.jolexa.net>
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On 11/18/2010 1:10 PM, Jeremy Olexa wrote:
>   On Thu, 18 Nov 2010 00:18:01 -0600, Jima wrote:
>> On 11/17/2010 12:45 PM, Jeremy Olexa wrote:
>
>>>    You made a critical mistake by searching for "dd-wrt" - go
>>> straight to
>>>    the supported list and find a model you like.
>>
>>    I wouldn't call it a "critical mistake."  Manufacturers have been
>> known to change core hardware with little to no fanfare -- often
>
>   Okok, 'critical' was the wrong word. What I meant was:
>
>   - Searching for "dd-wrt" *and* relying only on only those search
>   results won't give you the whole picture.
>   - If a company actually lists dd-wrt on the box, they might (or might
>   not) charge a premium for this.
>   - A company claiming dd-wrt on the box might not mean that is it "easy"
>   to install the OS - there might be caveats footnoted on the HCL/wiki.
>   (eg, only use TFTP to install/upgrade on Belkin, etc)

  It's worth noting that Newegg does allow customers (and non-customers, 
for that matter) to provide comments on products.  I've read a number of 
such reviews outlining how easy (or not) it was to install DD-WRT on an 
"officially supported" device.

      Jima


From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Fri Nov 19 00:31:21 2010
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 00:31:21 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] *Tomorrow* Asterisk at Penguins Unbound Meeting -
	Saturday Nov. 20th
Message-ID: <4CE619B9.4030905@Goecke-Dolan.com>

This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be
Saturday November 20th at TIES,
1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108
from 10:00am to 12:00pm
(See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more
info.)

Daniel Taylor will talk about Asterisk

How to set it up as a local VOIP-POTS gateway with voicemail and
extensions. He will also answer question about Asterisk.


*** STREAMING ***
If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting.
mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800

I was able to connect to this stream with mplayer on Ubuntu 10.04, here
is the command I used:
mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800

I have heard that this url,
http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800
works with VLC. (Thanks Neal!)

==>brian.


From dan.smith225 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 19 20:45:12 2010
From: dan.smith225 at gmail.com (Dan Smith)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 20:45:12 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Use Smoothwall and Qwest DSL
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Lf=v9=puQgy6=9uaZS2BRw5M_4msGOFQ+29wx@mail.gmail.com>

Hello tclug group,

I'm looking to see if anyone on the tclug list has any experience with Qwest
DSL and Smoothwall. And if anyone can provide some pointers/tips.  I have a
Zytel Q100 modem from Qwest and my box that I would use for smoothie is a
older IBM 6862 Pentium II, with approx 640mb ram and a 20gb drive.

Naturally smoothwall will be the interal DHCP server, and the network
connections off it will come from my EnGenius ESR9855G wireless N (gigabit)
switch, which will be placed in AP mode.

I welcome any ideas and suggestions on the topic.

Thanks!

-
Dan

-- 
Dan Smith
Email: dan.smith225 at gmail.com
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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 20 13:38:10 2010
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 13:38:10 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer
Message-ID: <AANLkTimus+ExoHzGZMX2VFhTVMnSo3US8oWg8E-EmskK@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking for an individual to help me add encryption
support to the C++ Middleware Writer's command line
interface.  This part-time contract is expected to last
roughly 5 to 6 weeks.  $30/hour + stock in company.


Brian Wood
Ebenezer Enterprises
http://webEbenezer.net
(651) 251-9384


But if serving the L-RD seems undesirable to you, then
choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve,
whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River,
or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living.
But as for me and my household, we will serve the L-RD."

Joshua 24:15


From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Sat Nov 20 14:48:33 2010
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 14:48:33 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimus+ExoHzGZMX2VFhTVMnSo3US8oWg8E-EmskK@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimus+ExoHzGZMX2VFhTVMnSo3US8oWg8E-EmskK@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011201444290.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

How about keeping your religion to yourself?  Besides, I'm pretty sure 
that making hiring decisions on the basis of religion is illegal.

http://www.justice.gov/crt/religiousdiscrimination/religionpamp.php

It's hard to see how the quality of C++ encryption code can have anything 
to do with the religion on the programmer.

Mike


On Sat, 20 Nov 2010, Brian Wood wrote:

> I'm looking for an individual to help me add encryption
> support to the C++ Middleware Writer's command line
> interface.  This part-time contract is expected to last
> roughly 5 to 6 weeks.  $30/hour + stock in company.
>
>
> Brian Wood
> Ebenezer Enterprises
> http://webEbenezer.net
> (651) 251-9384
>
>
> But if serving the L-RD seems undesirable to you, then
> choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve,
> whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River,
> or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living.
> But as for me and my household, we will serve the L-RD."
>
> Joshua 24:15


From tclug at freakzilla.com  Sat Nov 20 16:34:38 2010
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 16:34:38 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011201444290.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <AANLkTimus+ExoHzGZMX2VFhTVMnSo3US8oWg8E-EmskK@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1011201444290.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011201634150.15521@localhost6.localdomain6>

I'm glad you replied... I was going to be somewhat less polite. (;

On Sat, 20 Nov 2010, Mike Miller wrote:

> How about keeping your religion to yourself?  Besides, I'm pretty sure
> that making hiring decisions on the basis of religion is illegal.
>
> http://www.justice.gov/crt/religiousdiscrimination/religionpamp.php
>
> It's hard to see how the quality of C++ encryption code can have anything
> to do with the religion on the programmer.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Sat, 20 Nov 2010, Brian Wood wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for an individual to help me add encryption
>> support to the C++ Middleware Writer's command line
>> interface.  This part-time contract is expected to last
>> roughly 5 to 6 weeks.  $30/hour + stock in company.
>>
>>
>> Brian Wood
>> Ebenezer Enterprises
>> http://webEbenezer.net
>> (651) 251-9384
>>
>>
>> But if serving the L-RD seems undesirable to you, then
>> choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve,
>> whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River,
>> or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living.
>> But as for me and my household, we will serve the L-RD."
>>
>> Joshua 24:15
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


-Yaron

--


From stutterstutt at comcast.net  Sat Nov 20 21:31:33 2010
From: stutterstutt at comcast.net (Jeff Nelson)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 21:31:33 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Use Smoothwall and Qwest DSL
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=Lf=v9=puQgy6=9uaZS2BRw5M_4msGOFQ+29wx@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=Lf=v9=puQgy6=9uaZS2BRw5M_4msGOFQ+29wx@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CE89295.4050106@comcast.net>

On 11/19/2010 08:45 PM, Dan Smith wrote:
> I'm looking to see if anyone on the tclug list has any experience with
> Qwest DSL and Smoothwall. And if anyone can provide some pointers/tips.

I use Comcast and Smoothwall which isn't exactly what you wanted, but I 
would be happy to help out if you have any questions.

-Jeff


From marc at e-skinner.net  Sun Nov 21 00:06:59 2010
From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 00:06:59 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] 2 brand new motherboards for sale - circa 2003
Message-ID: <4CE8B703.2080209@e-skinner.net>

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manuals, cd's etc in original package.

Looking for $10-20? a piece.  NO CPU or MEMORY.

Let me know!

Thanks!
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From ryanjcole at me.com  Sun Nov 21 00:36:54 2010
From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 00:36:54 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] 2 brand new motherboards for sale - circa 2003
In-Reply-To: <4CE8B703.2080209@e-skinner.net>
References: <4CE8B703.2080209@e-skinner.net>
Message-ID: <947C1D43-6469-4AD2-A46F-025DC470814F@me.com>

On Nov 21, 2010, at 12:06 AM, Marc Skinner wrote:

> Just found 2 brand new Soyo SY-P4VGA motherboards in my closet.  I can't
> remember when and what I was planning on using them for.  But I don't
> need them, still in original packaging, never been used, all cables,
> manuals, cd's etc in original package.
> 
> Looking for $10-20? a piece.  NO CPU or MEMORY.
> 
> Let me know!
> 
> Thanks!


The price is fair, even $20, IMO. I just found a few vendors (all out of stock) listing at $40.


From jjensen at apache.org  Sun Nov 21 09:43:20 2010
From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 09:43:20 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011201444290.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <AANLkTimus+ExoHzGZMX2VFhTVMnSo3US8oWg8E-EmskK@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1011201444290.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikC16d9r+XSDsCaEHePGpyxruck1XbezKWC9M4T@mail.gmail.com>

My guess is it would be very enlightened code, solving eternal
religious arguments such as "where do the curly braces go", "how many
return statements", and "how to name variables well" ;-)

I was also wondering if the "-" actually stood for two o's: "oo".  We
know the difficulty in finding good ones.

<moohoohahaha>


On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com> wrote:
> How about keeping your religion to yourself? ?Besides, I'm pretty sure
> that making hiring decisions on the basis of religion is illegal.
>
> http://www.justice.gov/crt/religiousdiscrimination/religionpamp.php
>
> It's hard to see how the quality of C++ encryption code can have anything
> to do with the religion on the programmer.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Sat, 20 Nov 2010, Brian Wood wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for an individual to help me add encryption
>> support to the C++ Middleware Writer's command line
>> interface. ?This part-time contract is expected to last
>> roughly 5 to 6 weeks. ?$30/hour + stock in company.
>>
>>
>> Brian Wood
>> Ebenezer Enterprises
>> http://webEbenezer.net
>> (651) 251-9384
>>
>>
>> But if serving the L-RD seems undesirable to you, then
>> choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve,
>> whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River,
>> or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living.
>> But as for me and my household, we will serve the L-RD."
>>
>> Joshua 24:15
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>


From erik.mitchell at gmail.com  Sun Nov 21 10:11:21 2010
From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 10:11:21 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikC16d9r+XSDsCaEHePGpyxruck1XbezKWC9M4T@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimus+ExoHzGZMX2VFhTVMnSo3US8oWg8E-EmskK@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1011201444290.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
	<AANLkTikC16d9r+XSDsCaEHePGpyxruck1XbezKWC9M4T@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik_GMT9W4-4DX0aDX00sm4uxrV3rkjzr66Q7018@mail.gmail.com>

I for one would like to know which text editor is going to be used.
That would put an end to a lot of trouble.

On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Jeff Jensen <jjensen at apache.org> wrote:
> My guess is it would be very enlightened code, solving eternal
> religious arguments such as "where do the curly braces go", "how many
> return statements", and "how to name variables well" ;-)
>
> I was also wondering if the "-" actually stood for two o's: "oo". ?We
> know the difficulty in finding good ones.
>
> <moohoohahaha>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com> wrote:
>> How about keeping your religion to yourself? ?Besides, I'm pretty sure
>> that making hiring decisions on the basis of religion is illegal.
>>
>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/religiousdiscrimination/religionpamp.php
>>
>> It's hard to see how the quality of C++ encryption code can have anything
>> to do with the religion on the programmer.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 20 Nov 2010, Brian Wood wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking for an individual to help me add encryption
>>> support to the C++ Middleware Writer's command line
>>> interface. ?This part-time contract is expected to last
>>> roughly 5 to 6 weeks. ?$30/hour + stock in company.
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian Wood
>>> Ebenezer Enterprises
>>> http://webEbenezer.net
>>> (651) 251-9384
>>>
>>>
>>> But if serving the L-RD seems undesirable to you, then
>>> choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve,
>>> whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River,
>>> or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living.
>>> But as for me and my household, we will serve the L-RD."
>>>
>>> Joshua 24:15
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



-- 
Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer
erik.mitchell at gmail.com
erik at ekmitchell.com
http://ekmitchell.com/


From florin at iucha.net  Sun Nov 21 10:21:18 2010
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 10:21:18 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011201444290.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <AANLkTimus+ExoHzGZMX2VFhTVMnSo3US8oWg8E-EmskK@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1011201444290.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20101121162118.GP2306@styx.iucha.org>

On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 02:48:33PM -0600, Mike Miller wrote:
> It's hard to see how the quality of C++ encryption code can have anything 
> to do with the religion on the programmer.

I've been told that Lord Shiva has something to do with constructors
and destructors.  Now if only we could be blessed with better memory
management and multithreading...

Cheers,
florin

-- 
Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition.
      http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163
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From marc at e-skinner.net  Sun Nov 21 10:22:44 2010
From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 10:22:44 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] 2 brand new motherboards for sale - circa 2003
In-Reply-To: <947C1D43-6469-4AD2-A46F-025DC470814F@me.com>
References: <4CE8B703.2080209@e-skinner.net>
	<947C1D43-6469-4AD2-A46F-025DC470814F@me.com>
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You want 1 or both?

On 11/21/2010 12:36 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> On Nov 21, 2010, at 12:06 AM, Marc Skinner wrote:
> 
>> Just found 2 brand new Soyo SY-P4VGA motherboards in my closet.  I can't
>> remember when and what I was planning on using them for.  But I don't
>> need them, still in original packaging, never been used, all cables,
>> manuals, cd's etc in original package.
>>
>> Looking for $10-20? a piece.  NO CPU or MEMORY.
>>
>> Let me know!
>>
>> Thanks!
> 
> 
> The price is fair, even $20, IMO. I just found a few vendors (all out of stock) listing at $40.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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From marc at e-skinner.net  Sun Nov 21 10:33:34 2010
From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 10:33:34 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] FOR SALE: brand new 3m DDS-120 tapes
Message-ID: <4CE949DE.6060803@e-skinner.net>

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I have quantity 9 3m DDS-120 4mm DATA Tapes.  The lot can be yours for
$40.  I think they normally go for $8 a piece.

 Let me know if you need them.  I got rid of my DAT drive long ago.

Thanks!
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From ryanjcole at me.com  Sun Nov 21 10:38:46 2010
From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 10:38:46 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] 2 brand new motherboards for sale - circa 2003
In-Reply-To: <4CE94754.4020306@e-skinner.net>
References: <4CE8B703.2080209@e-skinner.net>
	<947C1D43-6469-4AD2-A46F-025DC470814F@me.com>
	<4CE94754.4020306@e-skinner.net>
Message-ID: <01FE8B6F-F530-4F33-8CA9-7B0810E40826@me.com>

Actually, neither. Just commenting that I think your price is fair.

On Nov 21, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Marc Skinner wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> You want 1 or both?
> 
> On 11/21/2010 12:36 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>> On Nov 21, 2010, at 12:06 AM, Marc Skinner wrote:
>> 
>>> Just found 2 brand new Soyo SY-P4VGA motherboards in my closet.  I can't
>>> remember when and what I was planning on using them for.  But I don't
>>> need them, still in original packaging, never been used, all cables,
>>> manuals, cd's etc in original package.
>>> 
>>> Looking for $10-20? a piece.  NO CPU or MEMORY.
>>> 
>>> Let me know!
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>> 
>> 
>> The price is fair, even $20, IMO. I just found a few vendors (all out of stock) listing at $40.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
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From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Sun Nov 21 14:07:31 2010
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 14:07:31 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] For Sale referbished 16port 1GB Switch
Message-ID: <4CE97C03.8020703@Goecke-Dolan.com>


16 ports of GIGABIT bliss!

I have fixxed a NetGear JGS516, just the switch no rack mount ear.

I would like $75 for it.

http://www.netgear.com/products/business/switches/unmanaged-rackmount-switches/JGS516.aspx

The power supply went bad, so I put in a power supply from Cisco 25xx 
series router. Has been working fine for me.

Thanks.

==>brian.


From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 21 14:41:42 2010
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 14:41:42 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer
Message-ID: <AANLkTikBrAHXQ6PBzvyA4A3oNvW0yCHba0bgGocHn0pz@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, 20 Nov 2010, Brian Wood wrote:

> I'm looking for an individual to help me add encryption
> support to the C++ Middleware Writer's command line
> interface.  This part-time contract is expected to last
> roughly 5 to 6 weeks.  $30/hour + stock in company.
>
>
> Brian Wood
> Ebenezer Enterprises
> http://webEbenezer.net <http://webebenezer.net/>
> (651) 251-9384
>
>
> But if serving the L-RD seems undesirable to you, then
> choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve,
> whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River,
> or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living.
> But as for me and my household, we will serve the L-RD."
>
> Joshua 24:15


I'm not inclined to reply to top-posts.

-- 
Regards,
Brian Wood
Ebenezer Enterprises
http://webEbenezer.net
(651) 251-9384
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From j at packetgod.com  Sun Nov 21 16:30:35 2010
From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 16:30:35 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikBrAHXQ6PBzvyA4A3oNvW0yCHba0bgGocHn0pz@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikBrAHXQ6PBzvyA4A3oNvW0yCHba0bgGocHn0pz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikm3AOKr2rOeS8Ps=nq0gXiAsaLhS7afENtkOzJ@mail.gmail.com>

In my experience all programmers get religious when it comes
to compilation time.

--j

On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Nov 2010, Brian Wood wrote:
>
> > I'm looking for an individual to help me add encryption
> > support to the C++ Middleware Writer's command line
> > interface.  This part-time contract is expected to last
> > roughly 5 to 6 weeks.  $30/hour + stock in company.
> >
> >
> > Brian Wood
> > Ebenezer Enterprises
> > http://webEbenezer.net <http://webebenezer.net/>
> > (651) 251-9384
> >
> >
> > But if serving the L-RD seems undesirable to you, then
> > choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve,
> > whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River,
> > or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living.
> > But as for me and my household, we will serve the L-RD."
> >
> > Joshua 24:15
>
>
> I'm not inclined to reply to top-posts.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Brian Wood
> Ebenezer Enterprises
> http://webEbenezer.net
> (651) 251-9384
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
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From mkebob1134 at netscape.net  Sun Nov 21 19:29:03 2010
From: mkebob1134 at netscape.net (Mr. B-o-B)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 19:29:03 -0600 (Central Standard Time)
Subject: [tclug-list] Use Smoothwall and Qwest DSL
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=Lf=v9=puQgy6=9uaZS2BRw5M_4msGOFQ+29wx@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=Lf=v9=puQgy6=9uaZS2BRw5M_4msGOFQ+29wx@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.WNT.2.00.1011211919290.2064@bobs_laptop.LCL.local>

Dan Smith cried from the depths of the abyss...

> 
> Hello tclug group,
> 
> I'm looking to see if anyone on the tclug list has any experience with Qwest DSL and Smoothwall. And if anyone can provide some
> pointers/tips.? I have a Zytel Q100 modem from Qwest and my box that I would use for smoothie is a older IBM 6862 Pentium II, with approx
> 640mb ram and a 20gb drive.
>

Your hardware is more than adequate for Smoothwall.  Avoid using the 
latest greatest NIC cards.

> Naturally smoothwall will be the interal DHCP server, and the network 
connections off it will come from my EnGenius ESR9855G wireless N
> (gigabit) switch, which will be placed in AP mode.
> 
> I welcome any ideas and suggestions on the topic. 
>

If you want to use IDS, you'll need to obtain an oink code from snort.org. 
Smoothwall is pretty solid, and works well.

Do you have any specific questions about Smoothwall?

> Thanks!
> 
> -
> Dan
> 
> --
> Dan Smith
> Email: dan.smith225 at gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>



From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Mon Nov 22 02:57:24 2010
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 02:57:24 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikBrAHXQ6PBzvyA4A3oNvW0yCHba0bgGocHn0pz@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikBrAHXQ6PBzvyA4A3oNvW0yCHba0bgGocHn0pz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011220257000.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

On Sun, 21 Nov 2010, Brian Wood wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Nov 2010, Brian Wood wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for an individual to help me add encryption
>> support to the C++ Middleware Writer's command line
>> interface.  This part-time contract is expected to last
>> roughly 5 to 6 weeks.  $30/hour + stock in company.
>>
>>
>> Brian Wood
>> Ebenezer Enterprises
>> http://webEbenezer.net <http://webebenezer.net/>
>> (651) 251-9384
>>
>>
>> But if serving the L-RD seems undesirable to you, then
>> choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve,
>> whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River,
>> or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living.
>> But as for me and my household, we will serve the L-RD."
>>
>> Joshua 24:15
>
>
> I'm not inclined to reply to top-posts.


How about keeping your religion to yourself?  Besides, I'm pretty sure 
that making hiring decisions on the basis of religion is illegal.

http://www.justice.gov/crt/religiousdiscrimination/religionpamp.php

It's hard to see how the quality of C++ encryption code can have anything 
to do with the religion on the programmer.

Mike



From josh at tcbug.org  Mon Nov 22 08:10:08 2010
From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 08:10:08 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] 2 brand new motherboards for sale - circa 2003
In-Reply-To: <01FE8B6F-F530-4F33-8CA9-7B0810E40826@me.com>
References: <4CE8B703.2080209@e-skinner.net> <4CE94754.4020306@e-skinner.net>
	<01FE8B6F-F530-4F33-8CA9-7B0810E40826@me.com>
Message-ID: <201011220810.15412.josh@tcbug.org>

On Sunday, November 21, 2010 10:38:46 am Ryan Coleman wrote:
> Actually, neither. Just commenting that I think your price is fair.
> 
> On Nov 21, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Marc Skinner wrote:
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> > 
> > You want 1 or both?

You know, there's a special circle of hell for netburst P4s, heated by their 
own inefficiency.

At work we have an entire room full of Netburst Xeon servers just sitting 
there.  If anyone is ever in the Bay are and wants some door stops or boat 
anchors, or perhaps a space heater (we have quite a few dual proc units as 
well) feel free to stop by iXsystems, we'll be glad to let you rummage through 
our back room and take as much iron as your vehicle can carry.

-- 
Thanks,

Josh Paetzel
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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 22 13:16:03 2010
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:16:03 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer
Message-ID: <AANLkTinq1WkW-vCOhd+435Vy6RD5g1=aAN4YuKJZJcuR@mail.gmail.com>

Mike Miller:
On Sun, 21 Nov 2010, Brian Wood wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm not inclined to reply to top-posts.
>
>
> How about keeping your religion to yourself?  Besides, I'm pretty sure
> that making hiring decisions on the basis of religion is illegal.
>
> http://www.justice.gov/crt/religiousdiscrimination/religionpamp.php<http://www.justice.gov/crt/religiousdiscrimination/religionpamp.php>
>


I think you're right about it being illegal.  My guess is it has been
illegal for 40 or 50 years.  I'm of the opinion the country has been
going off track for more than just the last 20 years. I'm not going
to rehearse the story from Acts 5 now, but here's what Gamaliel told
some associates intent on persecuting some followers of Yeshua:
"And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them
alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing;
but if it is of G-d, you cannot overthrow it?lest you even be found
to fight against G-d.?


> It's hard to see how the quality of C++ encryption code can have anything
> to do with the religion on the programmer.
>

I'm sure you've heard of the Puritan work ethic.  I need someone
with that.  The Bible also says to do good to all men especially
those of the household of faith.  The man (could be a woman) of
faith is the one I'm after to help with this contract/income.

--
Regards,
Brian Wood
Ebenezer Enterprises
http://webEbenezer.net
(651) 251-9384
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From blutgens at gmail.com  Mon Nov 22 13:43:32 2010
From: blutgens at gmail.com (Ben)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:43:32 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinq1WkW-vCOhd+435Vy6RD5g1=aAN4YuKJZJcuR@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinq1WkW-vCOhd+435Vy6RD5g1=aAN4YuKJZJcuR@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinpO3tzJDio58cZwoeVMuwYhXnRBG-D0gSgiDgQ@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps you should try your church, this isn't one.

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mike Miller:
> On Sun, 21 Nov 2010, Brian Wood wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm not inclined to reply to top-posts.
> >
> >
> > How about keeping your religion to yourself?  Besides, I'm pretty sure
> > that making hiring decisions on the basis of religion is illegal.
> >
> > http://www.justice.gov/crt/religiousdiscrimination/religionpamp.php<http://www.justice.gov/crt/religiousdiscrimination/religionpamp.php>
> >
>
>
> I think you're right about it being illegal.  My guess is it has been
> illegal for 40 or 50 years.  I'm of the opinion the country has been
> going off track for more than just the last 20 years. I'm not going
> to rehearse the story from Acts 5 now, but here's what Gamaliel told
> some associates intent on persecuting some followers of Yeshua:
> "And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them
> alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing;
> but if it is of G-d, you cannot overthrow it?lest you even be found
> to fight against G-d.?
>
>
> > It's hard to see how the quality of C++ encryption code can have anything
> > to do with the religion on the programmer.
> >
>
> I'm sure you've heard of the Puritan work ethic.  I need someone
> with that.  The Bible also says to do good to all men especially
> those of the household of faith.  The man (could be a woman) of
> faith is the one I'm after to help with this contract/income.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Brian Wood
> Ebenezer Enterprises
> http://webEbenezer.net
> (651) 251-9384
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>


-- 
Ben Lutgens
Linux / Unix System Administror

Three of your friends throw up after eating chicken salad.  Do you think:
"I should find more robust friends" or "we should check that refrigerator"?
       -- Donald Becker, on vortex-bug, suspecting a network-wide problem
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From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Mon Nov 22 14:04:14 2010
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:04:14 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinq1WkW-vCOhd+435Vy6RD5g1=aAN4YuKJZJcuR@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinq1WkW-vCOhd+435Vy6RD5g1=aAN4YuKJZJcuR@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011221400150.12582@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

On Mon, 22 Nov 2010, Brian Wood wrote:

> Mike Miller:
>
> On Sun, 21 Nov 2010, Brian Wood wrote:
>
>>> I'm not inclined to reply to top-posts.
>>
>>
>> How about keeping your religion to yourself?  Besides, I'm pretty sure 
>> that making hiring decisions on the basis of religion is illegal.
>>
>> http://www.justice.gov/crt/religiousdiscrimination/religionpamp.php<http://www.justice.gov/crt/religiousdiscrimination/religionpamp.php>
>
>
> I think you're right about it being illegal.


Great.  I guess we agree on something.  I'm reporting you to the Minnesota 
State Attorney General.  This will create an opportunity for you to fight 
within our court system for your right to religious discrimination. 
Maybe you will be able to change our laws.  Good luck with that.

Mike


From jus at krytosvirus.com  Mon Nov 22 14:05:21 2010
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:05:21 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinq1WkW-vCOhd+435Vy6RD5g1=aAN4YuKJZJcuR@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinq1WkW-vCOhd+435Vy6RD5g1=aAN4YuKJZJcuR@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1290456321.27128.16.camel@sysadmin3a>



On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 13:16 -0600, Brian Wood wrote:

> Mike Miller:
> On Sun, 21 Nov 2010, Brian Wood wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm not inclined to reply to top-posts.
> >
> >
> > How about keeping your religion to yourself?  Besides, I'm pretty
> sure
> > that making hiring decisions on the basis of religion is illegal.
> >
> > http://www.justice.gov/crt/religiousdiscrimination/religionpamp.php
> >
> 
> 
> I think you're right about it being illegal.  My guess is it has been
> illegal for 40 or 50 years.  I'm of the opinion the country has been
> going off track for more than just the last 20 years. I'm not going 
> to rehearse the story from Acts 5 now, but here's what Gamaliel told 
> some associates intent on persecuting some followers of Yeshua:   
> "And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them 
> alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to
> nothing;  
> but if it is of G-d, you cannot overthrow it?lest you even be found 
> to fight against G-d.? 
> 
> 
> > It's hard to see how the quality of C++ encryption code can have
> anything
> > to do with the religion on the programmer.
> >
> 
> I'm sure you've heard of the Puritan work ethic.  I need someone
> with that.  The Bible also says to do good to all men especially 
> those of the household of faith.  The man (could be a woman) of
> faith is the one I'm after to help with this contract/income.
> 


Having no idea what "puritan work ethic" was I googled it and found this
entertaining article: http://www.anxietyculture.com/puritan.htm as the
first exact match in the title.
I believe I get the gist of its intent in your context but "of faith" is
not a measure you can use legally a basis for hiring which you
apparently acknowledge yet still announce as a primary requirement in
your need to fill the position.

....must...resist... urge to further opening the can of "religion worms"
on the list....
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From tompoe at meltel.net  Mon Nov 22 14:23:21 2010
From: tompoe at meltel.net (tom)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:23:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011221400150.12582@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <AANLkTinq1WkW-vCOhd+435Vy6RD5g1=aAN4YuKJZJcuR@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1011221400150.12582@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <1290457401.28566.5.camel@localhost>

On Mon, 2010-11-22 at 14:04 -0600, Mike Miller wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Nov 2010, Brian Wood wrote:
> 
> > Mike Miller:
> >
> > On Sun, 21 Nov 2010, Brian Wood wrote:
> >
> >>> I'm not inclined to reply to top-posts.
> >>
> >>
> >> How about keeping your religion to yourself?  Besides, I'm pretty sure 
> >> that making hiring decisions on the basis of religion is illegal.
> >>
> >> http://www.justice.gov/crt/religiousdiscrimination/religionpamp.php<http://www.justice.gov/crt/religiousdiscrimination/religionpamp.php>
> >
> >
> > I think you're right about it being illegal.
> 
> 
> Great.  I guess we agree on something.  I'm reporting you to the Minnesota 
> State Attorney General.  This will create an opportunity for you to fight 
> within our court system for your right to religious discrimination. 
> Maybe you will be able to change our laws.  Good luck with that.
> 
> Mike
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

Hi:  Haven't been following this thread, but mention of our state
attorney general caught my eye.  Is someone discriminating against
employees based on religion?  Surely not.  Who would want to do that?
It's like we're living in pre-civil rights era.  Surely, Minnesotans are
more enlightened . . . oops.  I forgot.  We just had an election,
sweeping in the same folks that drove our country into the ground.
Sorry about the interruption.
Tom



From tonyyarusso at gmail.com  Mon Nov 22 15:11:03 2010
From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:11:03 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer
In-Reply-To: <1290457401.28566.5.camel@localhost>
References: <AANLkTinq1WkW-vCOhd+435Vy6RD5g1=aAN4YuKJZJcuR@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1011221400150.12582@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
	<1290457401.28566.5.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikSefwNreRda9t7O3DvmDdUymn23RbeB_rh4jk_@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps this would be an appropriate time for some list moderation?  I
doubt this thread will become useful.

 - Tony


From john.meier at gmail.com  Mon Nov 22 15:40:23 2010
From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:40:23 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikSefwNreRda9t7O3DvmDdUymn23RbeB_rh4jk_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinq1WkW-vCOhd+435Vy6RD5g1=aAN4YuKJZJcuR@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1011221400150.12582@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
	<1290457401.28566.5.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTikSefwNreRda9t7O3DvmDdUymn23RbeB_rh4jk_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinuTbXT1+KtG838jd7xx5SCDdohQU+bFNs7=rXL@mail.gmail.com>

Oh Man -

I thought the "G-d" in the original post = "God Damned" and totally didn't
see the "fearing" part ...  I misread the subject as:

"Seeking a God Damned C++ encryption programmer..."

Thought to myself - "man, I know what you mean...."   :)
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From johntrammell at gmail.com  Mon Nov 22 15:44:52 2010
From: johntrammell at gmail.com (John Trammell)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:44:52 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikSefwNreRda9t7O3DvmDdUymn23RbeB_rh4jk_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinq1WkW-vCOhd+435Vy6RD5g1=aAN4YuKJZJcuR@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1011221400150.12582@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
	<1290457401.28566.5.camel@localhost>
	<AANLkTikSefwNreRda9t7O3DvmDdUymn23RbeB_rh4jk_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimSFK4TuuqLXqTP8kosEHR36Yzc3gek+ZxJ_uRU@mail.gmail.com>

Seconded.

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Tony Yarusso <tonyyarusso at gmail.com> wrote:
> Perhaps this would be an appropriate time for some list moderation? ?I
> doubt this thread will become useful.


From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 22 19:45:48 2010
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 19:45:48 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer
Message-ID: <AANLkTikTfn1VoZSLqAHo_djv1iiEOkVjgCjr9jTq1JX8@mail.gmail.com>

 On Mon, 22 Nov 2010, Brian Wood wrote:

>> Mike Miller:
>>
>>
>> I think you're right about it being illegal.
>
>
> Great.  I guess we agree on something.  I'm reporting you to the Minnesota
> State Attorney General.  This will create an opportunity for you to fight
> within our court system for your right to religious discrimination.
> Maybe you will be able to change our laws.  Good luck with that.

It appears I spoke too soon.  A friend has informed me of the following:
http://www.eeoc.gov/employers/coverage_private.cfm

"If a complaint against a business (or some other private employer) involves
race, color,
religion, sex (including pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older),
disability or genetic
information, the business is covered by the laws we enforce if it has 15 or
more employees
who worked for the employer for at least twenty calendar weeks (in this year
or last)."

Ebenezer Enterprises has less than 15 employees.  I wonder where they
came up with that number, though!?

--
Shalom,
Brian Wood
Ebenezer Enterprises
http://webEbenezer.net
(651) 251-9384
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From kc0iog at gmail.com  Mon Nov 22 22:10:14 2010
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 22:10:14 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011201444290.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <AANLkTimus+ExoHzGZMX2VFhTVMnSo3US8oWg8E-EmskK@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1011201444290.3682@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinBPOo-t=wia=vUmCpUZgKebdq+QEM0dm+r7yX5@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Mike Miller
<mbmiller+l at gmail.com<mbmiller%2Bl at gmail.com>
> wrote:

> How about keeping your religion to yourself?  Besides, I'm pretty sure
> that making hiring decisions on the basis of religion is illegal.
>

Forget religion, are you implying that G-d and L-RD are the encryption
mechanisms you're seeking?  Most of us have already cracked your scheme :-)

Brian
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From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Mon Nov 22 22:45:12 2010
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 22:45:12 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikTfn1VoZSLqAHo_djv1iiEOkVjgCjr9jTq1JX8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikTfn1VoZSLqAHo_djv1iiEOkVjgCjr9jTq1JX8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011222227300.12582@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

On Mon, 22 Nov 2010, Brian Wood wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Nov 2010, Brian Wood wrote:
>
>>> Mike Miller:
>>>
>>>
>>> I think you're right about it being illegal.
>>
>>
>> Great.  I guess we agree on something.  I'm reporting you to the Minnesota
>> State Attorney General.  This will create an opportunity for you to fight
>> within our court system for your right to religious discrimination.
>> Maybe you will be able to change our laws.  Good luck with that.
>
> It appears I spoke too soon.  A friend has informed me of the following:
> http://www.eeoc.gov/employers/coverage_private.cfm
>
> "If a complaint against a business (or some other private employer) 
> involves race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy), national 
> origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information, the 
> business is covered by the laws we enforce if it has 15 or more 
> employees who worked for the employer for at least twenty calendar weeks 
> (in this year or last)."
>
> Ebenezer Enterprises has less than 15 employees.  I wonder where they 
> came up with that number, though!?


Your business is small potatoes for the Feds, so I reported you to the 
state government.  You might want to look around this site:

http://www.humanrights.state.mn.us/

Mike


From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 23 12:14:09 2010
From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 12:14:09 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 71, Issue 21 Logs
Message-ID: <AANLkTinEReNu7Tue72cNnON9fvGv8HWc5+nAYyZRRSUq@mail.gmail.com>

I am seeking a good guide to log files.
I recently came a cross a friends computer with an x failure and no record
of it in the var/log/xorg0.log
I would like to know mare about apache logs and MySQL logs.
Is there a all in one reference about logging for Linux our should I just be
content with the online doc's regarding logs from apache,x, MySQL,etc..
Thanks for any help you can give.
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From jus at krytosvirus.com  Tue Nov 23 13:37:36 2010
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 13:37:36 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 71, Issue 21 Logs
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Message-ID: <1290541056.27128.67.camel@sysadmin3a>

Logging is varied by source in some cases like apache and mysql. I like
to push everything thru syslog instead of apps writing their own logs
directly. This centralization makes it much easier to manage logs when
dealing with >handful of machines where one or more central log
repository server(s) is ideal. I really like syslog-ng for this purpose
and separate out logs by host or groups of similar hosts and optionally
broken down by application or even a subset of that as needed into
separate log files and directories.

For example logging very busy Cisco IOS DHCP servers yields more than a
gig of raw logs every day. I have 7 of these hosts' DHCP logs going into
a single file. Then I have a subset of that DHCP log data, DHCPACK's in
this case matched based on REGEX in the syslog config, go to yet another
file for extremely fast scripted searches because this file is tiny
compared to the full DHCP log.

Coupled with log rotation using logrotate you can accomplish pretty much
anything you need.

The syslog-ng website and mailing list archives no doubt have a lot of
good documentation about logging techniques and practices:
http://www.balabit.com/sites/default/files/documents/syslog-ng-ose-v3.2-guide-admin-en.html/bk01-toc.html 

I am sure rsyslog does as well but the complexity of its config files
and the quality of its documentation (finding the right document on
their site is sometimes very tough) has been a big turnoff for me,
always reminded me of sendmail a bit.

One of the important keys is to make sure your system writing the logs
(be it a separate server and/or the local machine itself) has fairly
accurate time synchronization so you can accurately correlate events.
You can move to an event correlation system like Splunk to help group
logged activities together and flag certain thresholds/conditions. A
simpler method would be to use something like swatch.

On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 12:14 -0600, r j wrote:

> I am seeking a good guide to log files.
> 
> I recently came a cross a friends computer with an x failure and no
> record of it in the var/log/xorg0.log
> I would like to know mare about apache logs and MySQL logs.
> Is there a all in one reference about logging for Linux our should I
> just be content with the online doc's regarding logs from
> apache,x, MySQL,etc..
> Thanks for any help you can give.
>   
> 
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From dan.smith225 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 23 21:06:58 2010
From: dan.smith225 at gmail.com (Dan Smith)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:06:58 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Use Smoothwall and Qwest DSL (tclug-list Digest,
	Vol 71, Issue 19)
Message-ID: <AANLkTinQYm3BgUk-YWJhz4+_uF1LObL7faDReHwqCbVe@mail.gmail.com>

In regards to the original post I put in to tclug is, I'm looking for anyone
that has experience with Smoothwall or a Linux firewall project that works
with Qwest DSL. The diagram will look like as follows:

Internet (Qwest DSL) > Zytel Q100 DSL Modem > Smoothwall > SW Green
Interface (Gigabit ethernet card) > EnGenius ESR9855G (Wireless-N Router &
Gigabit Switch - In AP Mode Only).

In theory, should it all work if I am able to take the DHCP Server function
away from the Q100 Modem?

Any ideas would help greatly! I've used Smoothwall with Comcast HSI before,
and I'm familar with how that works. But, any insight that could be provided
on the DSL solution would be great.

Thanks!,

Dan

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>   1. For Sale referbished 16port 1GB Switch (Brian Dolan-Goecke)
>   2. Re: Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer (Brian Wood)
>   3. Re: Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption programmer (J Cruit)
>   4. Re: Use Smoothwall and Qwest DSL (Mr. B-o-B)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 14:07:31 -0600
> From: Brian Dolan-Goecke <goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com>
> Subject: [tclug-list] For Sale referbished 16port 1GB Switch
> To: tclug-list <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
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>
> 16 ports of GIGABIT bliss!
>
> I have fixxed a NetGear JGS516, just the switch no rack mount ear.
>
> I would like $75 for it.
>
>
> http://www.netgear.com/products/business/switches/unmanaged-rackmount-switches/JGS516.aspx
>
> The power supply went bad, so I put in a power supply from Cisco 25xx
> series router. Has been working fine for me.
>
> Thanks.
>
> ==>brian.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 14:41:42 -0600
> From: Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption
>        programmer
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID:
>        <AANLkTikBrAHXQ6PBzvyA4A3oNvW0yCHba0bgGocHn0pz at mail.gmail.com>
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> On Sat, 20 Nov 2010, Brian Wood wrote:
>
> > I'm looking for an individual to help me add encryption
> > support to the C++ Middleware Writer's command line
> > interface.  This part-time contract is expected to last
> > roughly 5 to 6 weeks.  $30/hour + stock in company.
> >
> >
> > Brian Wood
> > Ebenezer Enterprises
> > http://webEbenezer.net <http://webebenezer.net/>
> > (651) 251-9384
> >
> >
> > But if serving the L-RD seems undesirable to you, then
> > choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve,
> > whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River,
> > or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living.
> > But as for me and my household, we will serve the L-RD."
> >
> > Joshua 24:15
>
>
> I'm not inclined to reply to top-posts.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Brian Wood
> Ebenezer Enterprises
> http://webEbenezer.net
> (651) 251-9384
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> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 16:30:35 -0600
> From: J Cruit <j at packetgod.com>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption
>        programmer
> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
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> In my experience all programmers get religious when it comes
> to compilation time.
>
> --j
>
> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 20 Nov 2010, Brian Wood wrote:
> >
> > > I'm looking for an individual to help me add encryption
> > > support to the C++ Middleware Writer's command line
> > > interface.  This part-time contract is expected to last
> > > roughly 5 to 6 weeks.  $30/hour + stock in company.
> > >
> > >
> > > Brian Wood
> > > Ebenezer Enterprises
> > > http://webEbenezer.net <http://webebenezer.net/>
> > > (651) 251-9384
> > >
> > >
> > > But if serving the L-RD seems undesirable to you, then
> > > choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve,
> > > whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River,
> > > or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living.
> > > But as for me and my household, we will serve the L-RD."
> > >
> > > Joshua 24:15
> >
> >
> > I'm not inclined to reply to top-posts.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Brian Wood
> > Ebenezer Enterprises
> > http://webEbenezer.net
> > (651) 251-9384
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
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> Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 19:29:03 -0600 (Central Standard Time)
> From: "Mr. B-o-B" <mkebob1134 at netscape.net>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Use Smoothwall and Qwest DSL
> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Message-ID: <alpine.WNT.2.00.1011211919290.2064 at bobs_laptop.LCL.local>
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> Dan Smith cried from the depths of the abyss...
>
> >
> > Hello tclug group,
> >
> > I'm looking to see if anyone on the tclug list has any experience with
> Qwest DSL and Smoothwall. And if anyone can provide some
> > pointers/tips.? I have a Zytel Q100 modem from Qwest and my box that I
> would use for smoothie is a older IBM 6862 Pentium II, with approx
> > 640mb ram and a 20gb drive.
> >
>
> Your hardware is more than adequate for Smoothwall.  Avoid using the
> latest greatest NIC cards.
>
> > Naturally smoothwall will be the interal DHCP server, and the network
> connections off it will come from my EnGenius ESR9855G wireless N
> > (gigabit) switch, which will be placed in AP mode.
> >
> > I welcome any ideas and suggestions on the topic.
> >
>
> If you want to use IDS, you'll need to obtain an oink code from snort.org.
> Smoothwall is pretty solid, and works well.
>
> Do you have any specific questions about Smoothwall?
>
> > Thanks!
> >
> > -
> > Dan
> >
> > --
> > Dan Smith
> > Email: dan.smith225 at gmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 02:57:24 -0600 (CST)
> From: Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com <mbmiller%2Bl at gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Seeking G-d fearing C++, encryption
>        programmer
> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1011220257000.3682 at taxa.psych.umn.edu>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
> On Sun, 21 Nov 2010, Brian Wood wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 20 Nov 2010, Brian Wood wrote:
> >
> >> I'm looking for an individual to help me add encryption
> >> support to the C++ Middleware Writer's command line
> >> interface.  This part-time contract is expected to last
> >> roughly 5 to 6 weeks.  $30/hour + stock in company.
> >>
> >>
> >> Brian Wood
> >> Ebenezer Enterprises
> >> http://webEbenezer.net <http://webebenezer.net/>
> >> (651) 251-9384
> >>
> >>
> >> But if serving the L-RD seems undesirable to you, then
> >> choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve,
> >> whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River,
> >> or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living.
> >> But as for me and my household, we will serve the L-RD."
> >>
> >> Joshua 24:15
> >
> >
> > I'm not inclined to reply to top-posts.
>
>
> How about keeping your religion to yourself?  Besides, I'm pretty sure
> that making hiring decisions on the basis of religion is illegal.
>
> http://www.justice.gov/crt/religiousdiscrimination/religionpamp.php
>
> It's hard to see how the quality of C++ encryption code can have anything
> to do with the religion on the programmer.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 08:10:08 -0600
> From: Josh Paetzel <josh at tcbug.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] 2 brand new motherboards for sale - circa
>        2003
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Message-ID: <201011220810.15412.josh at tcbug.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> On Sunday, November 21, 2010 10:38:46 am Ryan Coleman wrote:
> > Actually, neither. Just commenting that I think your price is fair.
> >
> > On Nov 21, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Marc Skinner wrote:
> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > > Hash: SHA1
> > >
> > > You want 1 or both?
>
> You know, there's a special circle of hell for netburst P4s, heated by
> their
> own inefficiency.
>
> At work we have an entire room full of Netburst Xeon servers just sitting
> there.  If anyone is ever in the Bay are and wants some door stops or boat
> anchors, or perhaps a space heater (we have quite a few dual proc units as
> well) feel free to stop by iXsystems, we'll be glad to let you rummage
> through
> our back room and take as much iron as your vehicle can carry.
>
> --
> Thanks,
>
> Josh Paetzel
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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 23 21:48:08 2010
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 21:48:08 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Seeking C++ Dream Job
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimATWybQ5v3XGpd7ASfBmnZp3YHwB1gjef740_j@mail.gmail.com>
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Shalom

I'm wanting to cultivate more users of the C++ Middleware Writer.  (The
C++ Middleware Writer is an on line code generator that writes low-level
C++ marshalling code based on high-level input.)   To that end I'm willing
to donate 20 hours a week for six months to your project if we decide to
work together.

-- 
Brian Wood
Ebenezer Enterprises
http://webEbenezer.net
(651) 251-9384
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From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com  Wed Nov 24 00:06:16 2010
From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 00:06:16 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Use Smoothwall and Qwest DSL (tclug-list Digest,
 Vol 71, Issue 19)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinQYm3BgUk-YWJhz4+_uF1LObL7faDReHwqCbVe@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1011232350370.7916@conan.grunners.com>

Dan Smith cried from the depths of the abyss...

> In regards to the original post I put in to tclug is, I'm looking for anyone that has experience with Smoothwall or a Linux firewall
> project that works with Qwest DSL. The diagram will look like as follows:
>

I have used Soothwall for 10 years or so at home, work, and other places. 
SW or any Linux Firewall will work fine with your DSL.

> Internet (Qwest DSL) > Zytel Q100 DSL Modem > Smoothwall > SW Green Interface (Gigabit ethernet card) > EnGenius ESR9855G (Wireless-N
> Router & Gigabit Switch - In AP Mode Only).?
> 
> In theory, should it all work if I am able to take the DHCP Server function away from the Q100 Modem?
>

You don't need to remove the DHCP from the dsl modem.  Just set the 
smoothwall outside interface (RED) to dhcp.  Unless you are given static 
IP's from Qwest, don't monkey around with trying to turn off the dsl modem 
dhcp.  Your outside interface IP might change from time to time, but who 
cares unless you are planning on hosting something.

> Any ideas would help greatly! I've used Smoothwall with Comcast HSI before, and I'm familar with how that works. But, any insight that
> could be provided on the DSL solution would be great.
>

There is no difference from Qwest or comcast on how the smoothwall box 
works.  You should have had the same setup with the outside interface 
DHCP, and you own creative internal nating on the inside.

> Thanks!,
> 
> Dan




From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org  Sat Nov 27 08:52:37 2010
From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 08:52:37 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Use Smoothwall and Qwest DSL (tclug-list Digest,
 Vol 71, Issue 19)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinQYm3BgUk-YWJhz4+_uF1LObL7faDReHwqCbVe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinQYm3BgUk-YWJhz4+_uF1LObL7faDReHwqCbVe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CF11B35.1010504@tomobiki.dyndns.org>

On 11/23/2010 9:06 PM, Dan Smith wrote:
> In regards to the original post I put in to tclug is, I'm looking for 
> anyone that has experience with Smoothwall or a Linux firewall project 
> that works with Qwest DSL. The diagram will look like as follows:
>
> Internet (Qwest DSL) > Zytel Q100 DSL Modem > Smoothwall > SW Green 
> Interface (Gigabit ethernet card) > EnGenius ESR9855G (Wireless-N 
> Router & Gigabit Switch - In AP Mode Only).
>
> In theory, should it all work if I am able to take the DHCP Server 
> function away from the Q100 Modem?
>
> Any ideas would help greatly! I've used Smoothwall with Comcast HSI 
> before, and I'm familar with how that works. But, any insight that 
> could be provided on the DSL solution would be great.
>
> Thanks!,
>
> Dan
>
You should be able to run the dsl modem in passthru mode and have the 
Smoothwall box get the ip address from qwest. That would remove the dhcp 
and nat from the modem. I just got a M1000 dsl modem and ipcop to work 
that way.

Joseph