From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 01:18:22 2010 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 01:18:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions In-Reply-To: <794D7B28-995A-4A95-A8DB-24A8666B8C38@lizakowski.com> References: <794D7B28-995A-4A95-A8DB-24A8666B8C38@lizakowski.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Jeremy wrote: > There is also the issue of incomplete erasures. ?Even if you could > wipe every sector, a slight ghost image remains. ?That's why many > tools offer to rewrite each sector multiple times. ?But even that > assumes it can move over the magnetic media in exactly the same > position - physical media will always be impefect. This used to be a major issue, but with modern drives the bit density is so high that all available evidence supports a single-pass overwrite being sufficient to completely obscure data from any possible recovery. So unless you're still using a drive from 1988 or something, don't worry about it. - Tony From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Oct 1 02:01:34 2010 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 02:01:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Tony Yarusso > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 1:18 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions > > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Jeremy wrote: > > There is also the issue of incomplete erasures. Even if you could > > wipe every sector, a slight ghost image remains. That's why many > > tools offer to rewrite each sector multiple times. But even that > > assumes it can move over the magnetic media in exactly the same > > position - physical media will always be impefect. > > This used to be a major issue, but with modern drives the bit density > is so high that all available evidence supports a single-pass > overwrite being sufficient to completely obscure data from any > possible recovery. So unless you're still using a drive from 1988 or > something, don't worry about it. > > - Tony Mostly true, but residual waveforms still exist, and a full forensic recovery would read waveforms from special heads and do a scientific version of PRML data recovery (adjacent bits interact and alter waveforms in predictable ways). That's more tedious than most can imagine, but pretty effective. Requires clean rooms and research quality lab equipment that is rare even within drive manufacturer's facilities. Expensive enough and difficult enough so it's something only the really bad guys need to worry about :-) Chuck From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 02:58:44 2010 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 02:58:44 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Show me evidence that this can be done. All of that residual waveform stuff is no longer detectable on modern drives. From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Oct 1 04:46:40 2010 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 04:46:40 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Tony Yarusso > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 2:59 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions > > > Show me evidence that this can be done. All of that residual waveform > stuff is no longer detectable on modern drives. Too hard. You show evidence that it cannot, including all variants of platter imaging. Didn't say the drive "as delivered" could do it. I worked in the most advanced read/write end of the industry doing modeling, etc.. If you have, you probably wouldn't ask. If you haven't you might not have the PRML analysis, head design variant knowledge, knowledge of excess written space in data imaging on tracks, and spin stand background to follow the evidence. Didn't say it was easy or cheap. Did say it isn't trivial. Chuck From tlunde at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 11:38:34 2010 From: tlunde at gmail.com (T L) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 11:38:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chuck - It is logically impossible for Tony to prove a negative, but all you'd have to do is one current reference to show that you're not just blowing smoke. Care to do so? Thomas On Oct 1, 2010 4:51 AM, "Chuck Cole" wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn... > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 2:59 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Hidden... > Show me evidence that this can be done. All of that residual waveform > stuff is no longer detect... Too hard. You show evidence that it cannot, including all variants of platter imaging. Didn't say the drive "as delivered" could do it. I worked in the most advanced read/write end of the industry doing modeling, etc.. If you have, you probably wouldn't ask. If you haven't you might not have the PRML analysis, head design variant knowledge, knowledge of excess written space in data imaging on tracks, and spin stand background to follow the evidence. Didn't say it was easy or cheap. Did say it isn't trivial. Chuck _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minneso... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101001/92e4cdbb/attachment.htm From Dean.Benjamin at mm.com Fri Oct 1 12:11:19 2010 From: Dean.Benjamin at mm.com (Dean.Benjamin at mm.com) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 12:11:19 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20101001114831.0a708230@pop.mm.com> I had believed that a hard drive could be securely erased by multiple over-writes with random bit patterns, such that not even the NSA could salvage anything useful. Chuck, when you said "Not so", you made me sit up in surprise. I am genuinely curious. Could you refer us to technical articles that explain how experts can retrieve data from drives that have been subjected to rigorous shredding (eg, with utilities such as DBAN http://www.dban.org/)? (If indeed that is your claim.) Hoping to avoid a flamewar -- Dean At 10/1/2010 11:38 AM, T L wrote: >It is logically impossible for Tony to prove a negative, but all you'd have to do is one current reference to show that you're not just blowing smoke. Care to do so? > >Thomas > >>On Oct 1, 2010 4:51 AM, "Chuck Cole" <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote: >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org >>> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn... >> >>> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 2:59 AM >>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Hidden... >> >>> Show me evidence that this can be done. All of that residual waveform >>> stuff is no longer detect... >>Too hard. You show evidence that it cannot, including all variants of >>platter imaging. Didn't say the drive "as delivered" could do it. I worked >>in the most advanced read/write end of the industry doing modeling, etc.. If >>you have, you probably wouldn't ask. If you haven't you might not have the >>PRML analysis, head design variant knowledge, knowledge of excess written >>space in data imaging on tracks, and spin stand background to follow the >>evidence. Didn't say it was easy or cheap. Did say it isn't trivial. >> >>Chuck From florin at iucha.net Fri Oct 1 13:09:13 2010 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 13:09:13 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20101001114831.0a708230@pop.mm.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20101001114831.0a708230@pop.mm.com> Message-ID: <20101001180913.GP22584@iris.iucha.org> On Fri, Oct 01, 2010 at 12:11:19PM -0500, Dean.Benjamin at mm.com wrote: > I had believed that a hard drive could be securely erased by multiple > over-writes with random bit patterns, such that not even the NSA could > salvage anything useful. > > Chuck, when you said "Not so", you made me sit up in surprise. I am > genuinely curious. Could you refer us to technical articles that > explain how experts can retrieve data from drives that have been > subjected to rigorous shredding (eg, with utilities such as DBAN > http://www.dban.org/)? (If indeed that is your claim.) I don't know what Chuck knows and what he can tell, but I do know that some parts of the US government used to take all the hard drives out from computers before selling them for reuse or scrap. I presume the hard drives were shredded in large batches or hammered-in in small batches. Cheers, florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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When you see companies like OnTrack going out of business instead of growing, THEN you have data that Tony is correct. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of T L Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 11:39 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions Chuck - It is logically impossible for Tony to prove a negative, but all you'd have to do is one current reference to show that you're not just blowing smoke. Care to do so? Thomas On Oct 1, 2010 4:51 AM, "Chuck Cole" wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn... > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 2:59 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Hidden... > Show me evidence that this can be done. All of that residual waveform > stuff is no longer detect... Too hard. You show evidence that it cannot, including all variants of platter imaging. Didn't say the drive "as delivered" could do it. I worked in the most advanced read/write end of the industry doing modeling, etc.. If you have, you probably wouldn't ask. If you haven't you might not have the PRML analysis, head design variant knowledge, knowledge of excess written space in data imaging on tracks, and spin stand background to follow the evidence. Didn't say it was easy or cheap. Did say it isn't trivial. Chuck _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minneso... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101001/ab553806/attachment.htm From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 13:28:30 2010 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 13:28:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions In-Reply-To: <20101001180913.GP22584@iris.iucha.org> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20101001114831.0a708230@pop.mm.com> <20101001180913.GP22584@iris.iucha.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Florin Iucha wrote: > I do know that > some parts of the US government used to take all the hard drives out > from computers before selling them for reuse or scrap. ?I presume the > hard drives were shredded in large batches or hammered-in in small > batches. And many organizations continue to participate in this horrifically environmentally harmful practice even though it is no longer necessary because they are misled about the current state of forensics. - Tony From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Oct 1 13:53:35 2010 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 13:53:35 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20101001114831.0a708230@pop.mm.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of > Dean.Benjamin at mm.com > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 12:11 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions > > > I had believed that a hard drive could be securely erased by > multiple over-writes with random bit patterns, such that not even > the NSA could salvage anything useful. > > Chuck, when you said "Not so", you made me sit up in surprise. I > am genuinely curious. Could you refer us to technical articles > that explain how experts can retrieve data from drives that have > been subjected to rigorous shredding (eg, with utilities such as > DBAN http://www.dban.org/)? (If indeed that is your claim.) Most such data is tightly guarded by manufacturers for mainly proprietary reasons, and it is only shared with customers by signatory releases. Several different means and head geometries are used to write tracks. Tracks are smeared in different ways, and are wider than the record head gaps. The data is recovered as an analog signal. Special heads can be used on platters to read centers versus edges of tracks, and do waveform reconstructions. The waveforms onto and from the platters are analog and not digital, and bits occupy more than just one atomic-level magnetic domain. Adjacent "ones" have "spillover" magnetism that greatly affects waveforms. PRML encoding and decryption deals with this to support/enable higher bit densities. With special heads and special analog signal handling, "fringe effects" become readable. Some people get PhDs in these topics. Hope that helps. Chuck > > At 10/1/2010 11:38 AM, T L wrote: > >It is logically impossible for Tony to prove a negative, but all > you'd have to do is one current reference to show that you're not > just blowing smoke. Care to do so? > > > >Thomas > > > >>On Oct 1, 2010 4:51 AM, "Chuck Cole" <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote: >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org >>> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn... >> >>> Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 2:59 AM >>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Hidden... >> >>> Show me evidence that this can be done. All of that residual waveform >>> stuff is no longer detect... >>Too hard. You show evidence that it cannot, including all variants of >>platter imaging. Didn't say the drive "as delivered" could do it. I worked >>in the most advanced read/write end of the industry doing modeling, etc.. If >>you have, you probably wouldn't ask. If you haven't you might not have the >>PRML analysis, head design variant knowledge, knowledge of excess written >>space in data imaging on tracks, and spin stand background to follow the >>evidence. Didn't say it was easy or cheap. Did say it isn't trivial. >> >>Chuck _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Oct 1 14:02:12 2010 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 14:02:12 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Tony Yarusso > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Florin Iucha wrote: > > I do know that > > some parts of the US government used to take all the hard drives out > > from computers before selling them for reuse or scrap. I presume the > > hard drives were shredded in large batches or hammered-in in small > > batches. > > And many organizations continue to participate in this horrifically > environmentally harmful practice even though it is no longer necessary > because they are misled about the current state of forensics. That is only correct in the sense that nobody would bother to try to read most scrapped drives. Not true for many super-sensitive cases requiring TS/SCI polygraph clearances. Chuck From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Fri Oct 1 14:24:02 2010 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 14:24:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: > When you see companies like OnTrack going out of business instead of > growing, THEN you have data that Tony is correct. No, Kroll OnTrack's services are quite useful without fake science. If you want to cite them, then it should be easy for you to share a case where they did what you claim. From r_a_wilkinson at yahoo.com Fri Oct 1 14:42:26 2010 From: r_a_wilkinson at yahoo.com (Robert) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 14:42:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions Message-ID: <1285962146.7968.17.camel@robert-desktop> It seems Chuck finds this topic very interesting and productive after all! I would like to learn more. So, can you show some documentation Chuck? Something current that will give me more information than is practical in this venue? Thanks, Robert From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Oct 1 15:28:55 2010 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 15:28:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions In-Reply-To: <1285962146.7968.17.camel@robert-desktop> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Robert > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 2:42 PM > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions > > > It seems Chuck finds this topic very interesting and productive after > all! Sorry: neither. > I would like to learn more. So, can you show some documentation Chuck? > Something current that will give me more information than is practical > in this venue? Read up on Guzik spin stands (and others) and what their instrumentation does for head and platter research. Follow the references cited. Look for mentions of various spin stands as keywords to get other data. Guzik is a pretty unique key word. Until you have a pretty good grasp of PRML (and similar) capabilities, the info about data and data recovery won't make much sense. http://www.guzik.com/ PRML = Partial Response Maximum Likelihood http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_Response_Maximum_Likelihood This PRML reference is at best a tip of an iceberg. A real PRML data recovery does coherent integration of the analog waveform so noise is suppressed (integrl of noise is zero) and data bit energy is enhanced integral of a "one" increases linearly over the bit's period.. more complicated, because it's a biphase coding). Would not look like signal peak values as if the same detector as in this simple description. Chuck From mn-linux.org at cyberians.net Fri Oct 1 15:27:08 2010 From: mn-linux.org at cyberians.net (Jonah) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 15:27:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions Message-ID: <20101001152708.qda5khz5coc0o04g@login.hostmonster.com> I am not as proficient as I am sure most of you are in the mechanics and science of data layout and retrieval on hard drives. I have used Ontrack for a variety of times to retrieve data and assumed it was from raw scraping for data that had lost the pointers. When the drive had been formatted, I sometimes still had success in getting data off. I one time took a training session for a SAN environment with EMC, and a number of DEA agents were there as well also attending the classes. Afterwards, we hit the pub and they told me they can retrieve data up to 37 layers of writes. Now, that may not mean anything without the documented who/how/show-me details around here, but I can't imagine a DEA agent to arbitrarily lie about such details when I am beating him in billiards. I asked what application he uses but he only told me it goes on measuring layers of degraded information left on the drive. He wouldn't tell me more. For what its worth.... From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Oct 1 16:04:10 2010 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 16:04:10 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions In-Reply-To: <20101001152708.qda5khz5coc0o04g@login.hostmonster.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jonah > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 3:27 PM > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions > > > I am not as proficient as I am sure most of you are in the mechanics > and science of data layout and retrieval on hard drives. > > I have used Ontrack for a variety of times to retrieve data and > assumed it was from raw scraping for data that had lost the pointers. > When the drive had been formatted, I sometimes still had success in > getting data off. > > I one time took a training session for a SAN environment with EMC, and > a number of DEA agents were there as well also attending the classes. > Afterwards, we hit the pub and they told me they can retrieve data up > to 37 layers of writes. Now, that may not mean anything without the > documented who/how/show-me details around here, but I can't imagine a > DEA agent to arbitrarily lie about such details when I am beating him > in billiards. > > I asked what application he uses but he only told me it goes on > measuring layers of degraded information left on the drive. He > wouldn't tell me more. > > For what its worth.... > The error-detection-and-correction coding that accompanies all data recorded helps this immensely. Various types and layers of coding allow correct data recovery in the presence of dropouts and gaps from various defects or "phenomena". The process must start with getting the "raw bits" off the platters using analog signal enhancement and encryption techniques. There are umpteen layers of encoding (with correction techniques) before one gets to "normal" file header and segment levels that have their own sector tables and correction schemes. Hardware and firmware built into the drive normally does all this for us so we only see the "simple stuff". Much is doable, but I have no idea whether that 37 layers of recovery is usual or "we did that once". Chuck > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Fri Oct 1 20:05:58 2010 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user) Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 20:05:58 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Dead parallel ports Message-ID: <20101001200558.41974fd6.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Is it just me, or are parallel ports prone to failing without warning? Is this part of the reason parallel ports are now obsolete? (Fortunately, I've never had problems with USB ports.) I just had the parallel port of my 10-year-old Dell desktop die on me. A few years ago, the parallel port of my now 9-year-old IBM NetVista desktop die on me. So I guess I've now been forced out of the parallel port era. -- Jason Hsu, Linux-literate embedded engineer (952) 715-7661 embedded_engineer at jasonhsu.com http://www.jasonhsu.com/ee.html http://www.jasonhsu.com/swrwatt.html http://www.jasonhsu.com/ee-robot.html From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Fri Oct 1 21:36:08 2010 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (kelly) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 21:36:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Dead parallel ports References: <20101001200558.41974fd6.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: <0000152119@mail.penguinpackets.com> Jason, Yes, parallel ports (and serial ports) usually die due to the TTL logic shift chips going dead during events where the humidity drops all of a sudden or they get shocked by a discharge (especially non heavy duty TTL packaged chips that are shocked by electrostatic discharge, not that they are impervious, but rather that they are simple to replace back in the day and cheap chips to get....). You can probably fix the parallel port card, but if you have shifted to USB and find it fine for your use, I would go with it.? USB certainly has more complexity, but it can be a cheap chip-set to do bit banging with! - lower price per unit than TTL shift logic. Kelly KB0GBJ > Fri Oct 01 2010 08:05:58 PM CDT from "Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux >user" Subject: [tclug-list] Dead parallel ports > > > Is it just me, or are parallel ports prone to failing without warning? Is >this part of the reason parallel ports are now obsolete? (Fortunately, I've >never had problems with USB ports.) > > I just had the parallel port of my 10-year-old Dell desktop die on me. A >few years ago, the parallel port of my now 9-year-old IBM NetVista desktop >die on me. So I guess I've now been forced out of the parallel port era. > > -- > Jason Hsu, Linux-literate embedded engineer > (952) 715-7661 > embedded_engineer at jasonhsu.com > http://www.jasonhsu.com/ee.html > http://www.jasonhsu.com/swrwatt.html > http://www.jasonhsu.com/ee-robot.html > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101001/01280cdb/attachment.htm From r_a_wilkinson at yahoo.com Fri Oct 1 23:50:50 2010 From: r_a_wilkinson at yahoo.com (Robert) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 23:50:50 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions Message-ID: <1285995050.9734.67.camel@robert-desktop> First, thanks for the links. Second, staying involved in a thread that you claim is not interesting or productive hurts your credibility. Lastly, I visited the links. I found it pretty straight forward. What I can't figure out though, is how you can use those links to defend your position. The document titled "Using the DTR 3000 Discrete Track Recording Test System for Data Recovery from Hard Disk Drives" indicates that the closest it comes to matching your claims is "... in order to recover the degraded information." Degraded is NOT the same thing as overwritten to DoD standards, on a modern HDD! Did someone say something about blowing smoke? Bob From cncole at earthlink.net Sat Oct 2 10:18:40 2010 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 10:18:40 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions In-Reply-To: <1285995050.9734.67.camel@robert-desktop> Message-ID: You understand what you can and research what you wish to learn about. Seems you are not yet very familiar with the physics and technologies of recording. I gave you tip of the iceberg links, but did not offer to be your tutor. Declining to be your tutor in older technology that is already in production, and limiting my involvement in this OT subject hurts MY credibility? My aim and limited interest in this here was simply to identify that there is more in these topics, and that forensics are not a closed topic as some suggested. Forensics deals with older or established technologies, not new and emerging technologies that are my interests. You seem to be blowing smoke that you can or would put in the effort to understand the established stuff. Sorry I didn't identify a suitable tutorial text for you. Take the initiative to dig in on your own from the start you were given, and in the suggested way you were supposed to use info. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Robert > Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 11:51 PM > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions > > > First, thanks for the links. > > Second, staying involved in a thread that you claim is not interesting > or productive hurts your credibility. > > Lastly, I visited the links. I found it pretty straight forward. What > I can't figure out though, is how you can use those links to defend your > position. > > The document titled "Using the DTR 3000 Discrete Track Recording Test > System for Data Recovery from Hard Disk Drives" indicates that the > closest it comes to matching your claims is "... in order to recover the > degraded information." Degraded is NOT the same thing as overwritten to > DoD standards, on a modern HDD! Did someone say something about blowing > smoke? > > > > Bob > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Tue Oct 5 10:07:40 2010 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 10:07:40 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] silent workstation for sale Message-ID: <20101005150740.GD13106@iris.iucha.org> Hi, I am replacing my main workstation and I am looking to sell the guts of the old one. These are the specs: Motherboard: ASUS A8N-SLI Premium CPU : AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ RAM : OCZ Platinum 2GB Heatsink : Scythe SCNJ-1000 FAN : Nexus 120MM silent The system runs both Linux and Windows without problems. All the hardware is supported by free drivers. The guts are housed in a Antec P180 case with a Seasonic 380W power supply. From 4-5 feet, you can't hear the box. I'm looking for $125 for the guts, or $250 for the whole system. If you want the whole system I can toss in a 120GB IDE Seagate HDD and a IDE DVD-RW. Cheers, florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101005/27ccd44e/attachment.pgp From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Wed Oct 6 14:12:11 2010 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2010 14:12:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] For Sale Message-ID: <4CACCA0B.6030100@tomobiki.dyndns.org> I have a Compaq Prolient DL360 free for anyone that wants it. I also have a Sun Ultra 60 that is missing the power supply. Joseph Key From jglouisjr at gmail.com Wed Oct 6 14:21:47 2010 From: jglouisjr at gmail.com (James Louis) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 14:21:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] For Sale In-Reply-To: <4CACCA0B.6030100@tomobiki.dyndns.org> References: <4CACCA0B.6030100@tomobiki.dyndns.org> Message-ID: If it's available I'll take it. On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Joseph Key wrote: > I have a Compaq Prolient DL360 free for anyone that wants it. > > I also have a Sun Ultra 60 that is missing the power supply. > > Joseph Key > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- ?Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn?t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.? ? 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Tried single quotes, no change. Any ideas? Doesn't have to be csh, but there is a bunch of legacy stuff underneath this if block that I don't wanna re-write. Josh ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From tclug at jfoo.org Thu Oct 7 11:30:50 2010 From: tclug at jfoo.org (John Gateley) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 11:30:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] csh script question In-Reply-To: <20101007111841.175wm5aphtgws0k8@trutwins.homeip.net> References: <20101007111841.175wm5aphtgws0k8@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <55599.167.206.189.6.1286469050.squirrel@mail.jfoo.org> Try set cmd = "$argv[3]" j > I have a csh script that is driving me nuts - very simple: > > #!/bin/csh -f > > # accept one or three args > if ($#argv == 1) then > set start = 0 > set finish = 16 > set cmd = $argv[1] > else if ($#argv == 3) then > set start = $argv[1] > set finish = $argv[2] > set cmd = $argv[3] > else > echo "Error Usage - 1 or 3 arguments" > exit 1 > endif > > echo "start: $start finish: $finish cmd: $cmd :" > > If I invoke the script with: > > ./foo.sh 1 2 3 > > I get: > > start: 1 finish: 2 cmd: 3 : > > I thought that you could pass in a string if you double quoted is - > but if I do this: > > ./foo.sh 1 2 "foo bar baz" > > I get: > > start: 1 finish: 2 cmd: foo : > > It seems to truncate off the first word in the string for argv[3]. > Tried single quotes, no change. > > Any ideas? Doesn't have to be csh, but there is a bunch of legacy > stuff underneath this if block that I don't wanna re-write. > > Josh > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tclug at jfoo.org Thu Oct 7 11:30:50 2010 From: tclug at jfoo.org (John Gateley) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 11:30:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] csh script question In-Reply-To: <20101007111841.175wm5aphtgws0k8@trutwins.homeip.net> References: <20101007111841.175wm5aphtgws0k8@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <55599.167.206.189.6.1286469050.squirrel@mail.jfoo.org> Try set cmd = "$argv[3]" j > I have a csh script that is driving me nuts - very simple: > > #!/bin/csh -f > > # accept one or three args > if ($#argv == 1) then > set start = 0 > set finish = 16 > set cmd = $argv[1] > else if ($#argv == 3) then > set start = $argv[1] > set finish = $argv[2] > set cmd = $argv[3] > else > echo "Error Usage - 1 or 3 arguments" > exit 1 > endif > > echo "start: $start finish: $finish cmd: $cmd :" > > If I invoke the script with: > > ./foo.sh 1 2 3 > > I get: > > start: 1 finish: 2 cmd: 3 : > > I thought that you could pass in a string if you double quoted is - > but if I do this: > > ./foo.sh 1 2 "foo bar baz" > > I get: > > start: 1 finish: 2 cmd: foo : > > It seems to truncate off the first word in the string for argv[3]. > Tried single quotes, no change. > > Any ideas? Doesn't have to be csh, but there is a bunch of legacy > stuff underneath this if block that I don't wanna re-write. > > Josh > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tclugl at whitleymott.net Thu Oct 7 11:41:06 2010 From: tclugl at whitleymott.net (gregwm) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 11:41:06 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] csh script question In-Reply-To: <20101007111841.175wm5aphtgws0k8@trutwins.homeip.net> References: <20101007111841.175wm5aphtgws0k8@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: #!/bin/bash > # accept one or three args function foo(){ if [ $# == 1 ];then > start=0 > finish=16 > cmd=$1 > elif [ $# == 3 ];then > start=$1 > finish=$2 > cmd=$3 > else > echo "Error Usage - 1 or 3 arguments" > exit 1 > fi > echo "start: $start finish: $finish cmd: $cmd :" > } > foo 1 2 3 > #start: 1 finish: 2 cmd: 3 : > foo 1 2 "foo bar baz" > #start: 1 finish: 2 cmd: foo bar baz : -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't know if that matters, but it might, so if the above doesn't solve the problem, try this: set cmd=blah Mike From jbridger2 at cyberians.com Fri Oct 1 15:23:50 2010 From: jbridger2 at cyberians.com (Jonah Bridger) Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 15:23:50 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hidden hard drive partitions In-Reply-To: <1285962146.7968.17.camel@robert-desktop> References: <1285962146.7968.17.camel@robert-desktop> Message-ID: <20101001152350.5p5s8yuewwkggg4w@login.hostmonster.com> I am not as proficient as I am sure most of you are in the mechanics and science of data layout and retrieval on hard drives. I have used Ontrack for a variety of times to retrieve data and assumed it was from raw scraping for data that had lost the pointers. When the drive had been formatted, I sometimes still had success in getting data off. I one time took a training session for a SAN environment with EMC, and a number of DEA agents were there as well also attending the classes. Afterwards, we hit the pub and they told me they can retrieve data up to 37 layers of writes. Now, that may not mean anything without the documented who/how/show-me details around here, but I can't imagine a DEA agent to arbitrarily lie about such details when I am beating him in billiards. I asked what application he uses but he only told me it goes on measuring layers of degraded information left on the drive. He wouldn't tell me more. For what its worth.... From tclugl at whitleymott.net Thu Oct 7 15:39:31 2010 From: tclugl at whitleymott.net (gregwm) Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 15:39:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] remote sound? Message-ID: i want to watch dvd's on one box and hear the sound out the soundcard on another. shouldn't that be simple? i can hear sound just fine with esd, mplayer, vlc, audacity, clearly local sound works. but remote sound is eluding me. esd makes nice beeps but esdplay doesn't seem to play through it. vlc commandlinehas convoluted server/client options, i managed to satisfy the syntax and it said it connected but i didn't hear any sound. jack_netsourceought to do it, it happily says "connected", and many of these apps recognize jackd if it's running, but jackd never produces sound for me, remote or local, it clearly takes over alsa and i can watch it connect when launching "mplayer -ao jack sound-sample.wav" but i hear nothing until jackd is no longer running. sheesh, i'm sure there's a simple answer somewhere....? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 3:39 PM, gregwm wrote: > i want to watch dvd's on one box and hear the sound out the soundcard on > another. ?shouldn't that be simple? ?i can hear sound just fine with esd, > mplayer, vlc, audacity, clearly local sound works. ?but remote sound is > eluding me. ?esd makes nice beeps but esdplay doesn't seem to play through > it. ?vlc commandline has convoluted server/client options, i managed to > satisfy the syntax and it said it connected but i didn't hear any sound. > ?jack_netsource ought to do it, it happily says "connected", and many of > these apps recognize jackd if it's running, but jackd never produces sound > for me, remote or local, it clearly takes over alsa and i can watch it > connect when launching "mplayer -ao jack sound-sample.wav" but i hear > nothing until jackd is no longer running. ?sheesh,?i'm sure there's a simple > answer somewhere....? Looks like pulse audio can do this. I found this rather old article, but it can be a start: http://razor.occams.info/blog/2009/02/11/pulseaudio-sound-forwarding-across-a-network/ -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Fri Oct 8 11:51:17 2010 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 11:51:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] remote sound? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Oct 2010, gregwm wrote: > i want to watch dvd's on one box and hear the sound out the soundcard on > another. shouldn't that be simple? To me that sounds very difficult and I'm not sure why it seems simple. How does a player redirect sound to another machine and maintain near perfect synchronization with the video? Mike From florin at iucha.net Fri Oct 8 13:10:54 2010 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 13:10:54 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] remote sound? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20101008181054.GN21761@iris.iucha.org> On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 11:51:17AM -0500, Mike Miller wrote: > > i want to watch dvd's on one box and hear the sound out the soundcard on > > another. shouldn't that be simple? > > To me that sounds very difficult and I'm not sure why it seems simple. > How does a player redirect sound to another machine and maintain near > perfect synchronization with the video? How does the player send the video to the video card and the sound to the sound card and makes sure both reach our senses nearly simultaneously? What difference does it make if they are on the same machine or on the network? [Yes, I know the extra latency and the packet loss, but on a local network they should not pose much of a problem.] Cheers, florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I found this rather old article, > but it can be a start: > > http://razor.occams.info/blog/2009/02/11/pulseaudio-sound-forwarding-across-a-network/ > yay! thank you sunny -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101008/9a52def3/attachment.htm From tclugl at whitleymott.net Fri Oct 8 17:05:22 2010 From: tclugl at whitleymott.net (gregwm) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 17:05:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] drbd? Message-ID: raid provides some protection against disc failure, but nada for any other component. i'm thinking of experimenting with drbd/ha for that next level of protection. before i start throwing my time at it, any recommendations/comments? is it worthy/sensible or what else..? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As such, I'd recommend making sure that you have sound backup/restore procedures in place before spending time on drbd. -Erik -- Erik Anderson http://andersonfam.org From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Fri Oct 8 14:55:33 2010 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 14:55:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] remote sound? In-Reply-To: <20101008181054.GN21761@iris.iucha.org> References: <20101008181054.GN21761@iris.iucha.org> Message-ID: Pulse audio works well as previously mentioned. Can't say I've done what you're trying to do, but pulse is?similar?to ESD but newer and meant to be very network friendly. I use it both locally and to stream music to a laptop-?it works great for this. I'd imagine you would point your audio out device to pulse which would be configured to connect to a pulse daemon that has the sound card / output you want to physically use. From what I recall about the initial setup is that I set up both client and server graphically with some of the pulse gui's for gnome and copied a special cookie file via ssh to the client. From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sat Oct 9 22:09:08 2010 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 22:09:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] good wireless keyboard with trackball for Linux? Message-ID: I want something that works well with the home media setup. I was using an ordinary, cheap wireless keyboard/mouse, actually two different ones, both worked fine from within 4-5 feet, but they didn't do well at about 7 feet and I need them for that distance. It turns out that everyone promises 10 meters, but the cheaper keyboards are all lying. Next I upgraded to a keyboard with a built-in trackball. It was the ADESSO WKB-3000UB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823166079 I loved that. What a great design and such a nice feel. Unfortunately, it worked great for only a few days and by day 6 I couldn't get it to do much of anything. Also, it started causing nautilus to launch literally hundreds of file browsers. My experience -- having it work at first, and later fail -- seems to have been shared by many other people who commented on Amazon.com. So I brought it back to Microcenter. While at Microcenter tonight I picked up one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823176018 I just started using it, but right now it is working. The problem with this one is that I just don't like it nearly as much as the Adesso -- the trackball doesn't feel as good and it is so small that I have to use the function key to access Ins, Home, End, PgDn and PgUp. Does anyone have any good tips on what is good and works well on Linux systems? (I'm using Ubuntu.) The Adesso failure might have had something to do with the Linux system, but maybe not. It doesn't seem like any keyboard manufacturer promises Linux compatibility. Mike From taanerud at comcast.net Sun Oct 10 22:11:11 2010 From: taanerud at comcast.net (Timothy Aanerud) Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 22:11:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] good wireless keyboard with trackball for Linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CB2804F.1080501@comcast.net> I've used the Adesso keyboard on Linux (fedora 10 & 12) without any problems. I bought this same keyboard for my htpc that uses the operating system who's name must not be spoken. The only trouble I've had with it has been keeping the key board and it's usb-fob synced. On the HTPC I use an USB extender cable so the usb-fob is in front of the computer instead of in back. The Adesso keyboard is easy to use from the coach. I like mouse wheel on the side of the keyboard. The only "better" brand to getting for HTPC use is Gyration. It's spendy however. -- Timothy. On 10/9/2010 10:09 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > I want something that works well with the home media setup. I was using > an ordinary, cheap wireless keyboard/mouse, actually two different ones, > both worked fine from within 4-5 feet, but they didn't do well at about 7 > feet and I need them for that distance. It turns out that everyone > promises 10 meters, but the cheaper keyboards are all lying. > > Next I upgraded to a keyboard with a built-in trackball. It was the > ADESSO WKB-3000UB: > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823166079 > > I loved that. What a great design and such a nice feel. Unfortunately, > it worked great for only a few days and by day 6 I couldn't get it to do > much of anything. Also, it started causing nautilus to launch literally > hundreds of file browsers. My experience -- having it work at first, and > later fail -- seems to have been shared by many other people who commented > on Amazon.com. So I brought it back to Microcenter. > > While at Microcenter tonight I picked up one of these: > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823176018 > > I just started using it, but right now it is working. The problem with > this one is that I just don't like it nearly as much as the Adesso -- the > trackball doesn't feel as good and it is so small that I have to use the > function key to access Ins, Home, End, PgDn and PgUp. > > > Does anyone have any good tips on what is good and works well on Linux > systems? (I'm using Ubuntu.) The Adesso failure might have had something > to do with the Linux system, but maybe not. It doesn't seem like any > keyboard manufacturer promises Linux compatibility. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Mon Oct 11 08:16:55 2010 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 08:16:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] for sale: quiet server and quiet router + wireless acesss point Message-ID: <20101011131655.GB8401@styx.iucha.org> Hello, This weekend I have consolidated my servers into a single host with multiple virtual machines, so I have the following former servers for sale. I built them to be virtually inaudible from 4-5 feet, using the fine Antec NSK-2480 (http://www.silentpcreview.com/article591-page1.html) case. Because of the large two 12cm fans near the CPU/memory area, I ran these servers without a fan mounted to the CPU heatsink, and the temperatures never went above 40'C. First up - barebones server $250: Case: Antec NSK-2480 Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-MA785GM-US2H (3 months old) CPU: AMD Athlon X2 BE-2400 2.3GHz Socket AM2 45W Dual-Core Heatsink: Scythe SCMNJ-1000 "Ninja Mini" RAM: OCZ Platinum OCZ2P8002GK 4 sticks x 1GB CDROM: Nec? DVD-RW HDD: None This case holds two hard drives and two optical drives. I used a 3.5' to 5.25' adapter to place a hard drive on top of the CDROM, and I booted from a SATA to compact flash adapter, so I have my OS on solid state storage, and the three hard drives were in a RAID5. The SATA to compact flash adapter (and the two Transcend 4GB industrial are available for $50). The motherboard is only three months old, because the old one died during transport and I sent it in to Biostar for RMA and I needed something during the month they poked at it. In the end Biostar send me a new motherboard back. You just need to add hard drives to this and turn it on. It is also excellent as a media center PC. Second up - low-fat bones server $100: Case: Antec NSK-2480 Motherboard: BIOSTAR TA790GX XE AM2+/AM3 AMD 790GX HDMI Micro ATX (the new motherboard I received from Biostar) You'll need CPU, Heatsink, RAM and hard drives. This will work great as a media center PC. Third - router / wireless access point $250 Case: Antec NSK-2480 Motherboard: VIA PC-1500 (the CPU is soldered on the motherboard) RAM: 2 GB Ethernet: 1x Gigabit ethernet on the motherboard 4x Fast Ethernet (on a SUN qfe PCI card) Wireless: Airlink AWLH5075 Wireless N (atheros based, drivers available for Linux, OpenBSD) Optical: Samsung? Dual-layer DVD-RW Cheers, florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's not cheap hardware; but it does have the advantage of compactness and no moving parts when compared to a recycled desktop or server machine. -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From jus at krytosvirus.com Mon Oct 11 11:04:38 2010 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 16:04:38 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] soekris routers/firewalls Message-ID: <1598076727-1286813078-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-249531315-@bda114.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I have a net4801 with a 512mb cf card. It works well and is quiet. Mine runs openbsd. Some people even made some 19" rackmount kits for racking ------Original Message------ From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org ReplyTo: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [tclug-list] soekris routers/firewalls Sent: Oct 11, 2010 10:48 AM Anyone used Soekris hardware under Linux recently? http://www.soekris.com/ I remember quite a few years ago Ben Kochie had one that he brought to an installfest; and it looked pretty good, albeit expensive at the time. It's not cheap hardware; but it does have the advantage of compactness and no moving parts when compared to a recycled desktop or server machine. -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From erikerik at gmail.com Mon Oct 11 15:15:40 2010 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 15:15:40 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] soekris routers/firewalls In-Reply-To: <20101011104858.C9138@real-time.com> References: <20101011104858.C9138@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > Anyone used Soekris hardware under Linux recently? > > http://www.soekris.com/ Carl - I haven't used the Soekris boards specifically, but have extensively used PCEngines ALIX boards, which are very similar. Specifically, I've used their ALIX 2d3 board, which is a 500MHz Geode LX, 256MB RAM, 3 network interfaces, CF slot, 2xUSB, etc: http://www.pcengines.ch/alix2d3.htm I'm running pfSense (a NanoBSD-based firewall distro) on mine, but I know many people run linux on this platform as well. Highly recommended - mine runs very cool (no perceptable heat output at all), perfectly silent, and draws 6W max. I order mine from mini-box.com. With the board, power supply, and case, I believe it's about $150-$175 or so. -Erik From josh at tcbug.org Mon Oct 11 18:28:49 2010 From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 18:28:49 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] soekris routers/firewalls In-Reply-To: References: <20101011104858.C9138@real-time.com> Message-ID: <201010111828.57287.josh@tcbug.org> On Monday, October 11, 2010 03:15:40 pm Erik Anderson wrote: > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom > > wrote: > > Anyone used Soekris hardware under Linux recently? > > > > http://www.soekris.com/ > > Carl - I haven't used the Soekris boards specifically, but have > extensively used PCEngines ALIX boards, which are very similar. > Specifically, I've used their ALIX 2d3 board, which is a 500MHz Geode > LX, 256MB RAM, 3 network interfaces, CF slot, 2xUSB, etc: > > http://www.pcengines.ch/alix2d3.htm > > I'm running pfSense (a NanoBSD-based firewall distro) on mine, but I > know many people run linux on this platform as well. > > Highly recommended - mine runs very cool (no perceptable heat output > at all), perfectly silent, and draws 6W max. > > I order mine from mini-box.com. With the board, power supply, and > case, I believe it's about $150-$175 or so. > > -Erik mini-ITX form factor atoms are really moving in on this space. For $100 cheaper than I could get a soekris 5501 I got a dual core 1.6 ghz atom, with dual gigE ethernet. You can get very small mini-ITX cases that just use a 12 volt power brick. My system pulls 20 watts a idle, almost entirely due to the 2.5" laptop hard drive it has. -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 488 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. 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The early Atoms had a less-than-impressive heat/power profile, but they've improved that significantly in recent revisions, so now I'm considering picking up one of these for a router system, which is a fanless board with dual gigE: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182233 - Tony From josh at tcbug.org Tue Oct 12 07:57:40 2010 From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 07:57:40 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] soekris routers/firewalls In-Reply-To: References: <20101011104858.C9138@real-time.com> <201010111828.57287.josh@tcbug.org> Message-ID: <58009634-8009-4BB3-9958-AFFA364E6494@tcbug.org> On Oct 11, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Tony Yarusso wrote: > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Josh Paetzel wrote: >> mini-ITX form factor atoms are really moving in on this space. For $100 >> cheaper than I could get a soekris 5501 I got a dual core 1.6 ghz atom, with >> dual gigE ethernet. You can get very small mini-ITX cases that just use a 12 >> volt power brick. My system pulls 20 watts a idle, almost entirely due to the >> 2.5" laptop hard drive it has. > > It's true. The early Atoms had a less-than-impressive heat/power > profile, but they've improved that significantly in recent revisions, > so now I'm considering picking up one of these for a router system, > which is a fanless board with dual gigE: > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182233 > > - Tony > > And that's a fairly expensive atom board. :) Mine is slightly older (330). It shows up to the OS as 4 cpus, dual core 1.6 ghz with hyperthreading. It's just powerful enough to tempt me to do compiles on it. Make buildworld of FreeBSD 8 is a mere 5 hours. (It's 11 minutes on my dual 2.26ghz Nehalem) In some ways it's just fast enough for me to treat it as a regular system as opposed to an embedded device. (Which is what I use it as) In the end though what really sold me was the gigE ethernet ports. While my WAN connection can't saturate 100TX *today* it won't be long before it can. My current cable modem has a gigE port, and I see comcast is advertising a 105mbps connection now. Thanks, Josh Paetzel From iipreca at hotmail.com Tue Oct 12 13:17:18 2010 From: iipreca at hotmail.com (J Georgius) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 13:17:18 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] soekris routers/firewalls In-Reply-To: <20101011104858.C9138@real-time.com> References: <20101011104858.C9138@real-time.com> Message-ID: If you looking for a router/firewall setup I'm going to throw the Ubiquiti RouterStation Pro into the ring. Depending on how much horse power you need, and it has a 4 port gigabit with onboard PCI for any wireless card you would want to put into it. I am currently running it with two full powered cards G and 5Ghz N. And the 80$ price tag can't be ignored..or fleabay. http://ubnt.com/rspro JG > > Anyone used Soekris hardware under Linux recently? > > http://www.soekris.com/ > > I remember quite a few years ago Ben Kochie had one that he brought to an > installfest; and it looked pretty good, albeit expensive at the time. > > It's not cheap hardware; but it does have the advantage of compactness and > no moving parts when compared to a recycled desktop or server machine. > > -- > Carl Soderstrom > Systems Administrator > Real-Time Enterprises > www.real-time.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And the 80$ price tag can't > be ignored..or fleabay. > > http://ubnt.com/rspro It is nice, but I needed to add a cron script to restart dhcpd every hour and to reboot it every night, otherwise it can get into funny state (but not funny enough that the watchdog will reboot it). This is with the OpenWRT 10.03 release, I haven't tried the 10.03.1 release candidates yet. Cheers, florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Tue Oct 12 15:22:50 2010 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:22:50 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] traceroute In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks like it's been moved to 'universe'. http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/traceroute You'll need to add that to your sources list. -Erik On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > I am upgrading a machine from Ubuntu 10.04 to 10.10 and the system is > telling me that traceroute is no longer available as an Ubuntu package. > I suppose traceroute is very old school and there is some new thing that I > don't know about. ?Is that correct? ?Maybe someone here will know. ?I've > been using traceroute forever and it seems like one of the important UNIX > tools that everyone would use. ?Thanks. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From jolexa at jolexa.net Tue Oct 12 15:41:22 2010 From: jolexa at jolexa.net (Jeremy Olexa) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:41:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] traceroute In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6e9b3507847dc4eb9028ffd2c3e65bac@webmail.jolexa.net> On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 15:12:55 -0500 (CDT), Mike Miller wrote: > I am upgrading a machine from Ubuntu 10.04 to 10.10 and the system is > telling me that traceroute is no longer available as an Ubuntu > package. > I suppose traceroute is very old school and there is some new thing > that I > don't know about. Is that correct? Maybe someone here will know. > I've > been using traceroute forever and it seems like one of the important > UNIX > tools that everyone would use. Thanks. > > Mike I would highly suggest "MyTraceroute" or mtr for short. It seems like traceroute's unofficial successor: "mtr combines the functionality of the 'traceroute' and 'ping' programs in a single network diagnostic tool." If I interpret packages.ubuntu.com correctly, the ncurses interface (mtr-tiny?) is in maverick (I don't know much about ubuntu's packaging) http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ -Jeremy From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 13:58:32 2010 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 13:58:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] using top without messing up the screen Message-ID: It seems that with my terminal settings, I can pipe anything to "less" and then kill "less" and return to my command prompt without disturbing anything. Most programs that fill the terminal window also work this way -- when they exit, they remove themselves from the screen and show the screen as it was when they started. Unfortunately, "top" doesn't seem to work that way. It always leaves its text on the screen when it exits. Do any of you understand this problem or know how I can fix that? I find that this kinda works: top | less -rf It refreshes every time I hit the space bar, but sometimes when I exit I don't have my command prompt working as before. I find that the "reset" command fixes the command prompt, but "reset" with no options clears the screen -- just what I wanted to avoid. It seems that "reset -I" works and does not clear the screen. If I do this,... top | less -rf ; reset -I ... then I don't have to worry about about entering the reset command afterward. Maybe that's an OK strategy. Any ideas? Mike From random at argle.org Thu Oct 14 14:14:11 2010 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:14:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] using top without messing up the screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CB75683.9010308@argle.org> It isn't really a "problem", top just runs in the current display rather than creating/using the secondary display like less does. On 10/14/2010 01:58 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > It seems that with my terminal settings, I can pipe anything to "less" and > then kill "less" and return to my command prompt without disturbing > anything. Most programs that fill the terminal window also work this way > -- when they exit, they remove themselves from the screen and show the > screen as it was when they started. > > Unfortunately, "top" doesn't seem to work that way. It always leaves its > text on the screen when it exits. Do any of you understand this problem > or know how I can fix that? > > I find that this kinda works: > > top | less -rf > > It refreshes every time I hit the space bar, but sometimes when I exit I > don't have my command prompt working as before. I find that the "reset" > command fixes the command prompt, but "reset" with no options clears the > screen -- just what I wanted to avoid. It seems that "reset -I" works and > does not clear the screen. If I do this,... > > top | less -rf ; reset -I > > ... then I don't have to worry about about entering the reset command > afterward. Maybe that's an OK strategy. Any ideas? > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Thu Oct 14 14:37:57 2010 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:37:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] using top without messing up the screen In-Reply-To: ; from mbmiller+l@gmail.com on Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 01:58:32PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20101014143757.T31126@real-time.com> If you just want 'top' to run and output nicely to another program (or leave you a nice output and then a prompt) try 'top -bn1'. Perhaps not exactly what you want, but worth knowing about. -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 14:53:59 2010 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:53:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] using top without messing up the screen In-Reply-To: <20101014143757.T31126@real-time.com> References: <20101014143757.T31126@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > If you just want 'top' to run and output nicely to another program (or > leave you a nice output and then a prompt) try 'top -bn1'. > > Perhaps not exactly what you want, but worth knowing about. Great tip. The -b option is a good trick to remember. That only lets me see one iteration, though, and this seems to let me see many (a new one every time I hit space): top | less -rf ; reset -I It's not exactly a graceful solution but it hasn't failed, yet. Combining your idea with mine, this may give us the best of both worlds: top -b | less -f +/^top Top provides a new iteration every three seconds or so and I just hit /[Enter] to see the next iteration. If I hit /[Enter] before the next iteration is available, it shows it when it becomes available, so I can hit it a bunch of times in advance and then watch it update in real time. I think I need a new bash alias. ;-) Thanks again, Carl. Mike From nesius at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 14:58:43 2010 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:58:43 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] using top without messing up the screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Mike Miller > wrote: > It seems that with my terminal settings, I can pipe anything to "less" and > then kill "less" and return to my command prompt without disturbing > anything. Most programs that fill the terminal window also work this way > -- when they exit, they remove themselves from the screen and show the > screen as it was when they started. > > This is almost certainly an application issue. It /might/ be a terminal emulation issue. From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 16:35:10 2010 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 16:35:10 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] csplit Message-ID: The csplit coreutil program lets me split a file into sections based on some delimiter. What I really want to do is split a file into sections based on a delimiter but forcing those sections to be at least b bytes in size, even if that means including multiple delimiters in most or all sections. An example would be that I have an mbox file (email messages) of 300 MB and containing 50,000 messages and I want to break it into 10 sections of at least 30 MB each (the tenth section would have to be a little smaller because there wouldn't be enough file left). I can do stuff like this to divide the file "mbox" into individual email messages, one per file... csplit -ksz mbox '/^From /' {*} ...but I can't figure out how to make the files bigger so that they include multiple delimiters. It seems like there ought to be a way to do this. Mike From florin at iucha.net Thu Oct 14 17:01:29 2010 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:01:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] csplit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20101014220129.GM2206@styx.iucha.org> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 04:35:10PM -0500, Mike Miller wrote: > The csplit coreutil program lets me split a file into sections based on > some delimiter. What I really want to do is split a file into sections > based on a delimiter but forcing those sections to be at least b bytes in > size, even if that means including multiple delimiters in most or all > sections. > > An example would be that I have an mbox file (email messages) of 300 MB > and containing 50,000 messages and I want to break it into 10 sections of > at least 30 MB each (the tenth section would have to be a little smaller > because there wouldn't be enough file left). > > I can do stuff like this to divide the file "mbox" into individual email > messages, one per file... > > csplit -ksz mbox '/^From /' {*} I don't have an answer to your general question, but in this particular instance csplit would not necessarily do what you want, as there might be a paragraph starting with 'From' at the beginning of the line (which vim e-mail syntax highlighting merrily bolds and colors) that would result in a message split in two. Use 'formail' for this kind of processing. > ...but I can't figure out how to make the files bigger so that they > include multiple delimiters. > > It seems like there ought to be a way to do this. You could be 'catting' together bunches of smaller files 8^) Cheers, florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Use 'formail' for this kind > of processing. When I've edited my mbox files with Emacs, anything that would match ^From that wasn't actually an e-mail delimiter was actually turned into ^>From. My understanding is that this is part of some spec somewhere. -- Scott Raun sraun at fireopal.org From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu Oct 14 18:12:46 2010 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 18:12:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] csplit In-Reply-To: <20101014224539.GA21872@fireopal.org> References: <20101014220129.GM2206@styx.iucha.org> <20101014224539.GA21872@fireopal.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Scott Raun wrote: > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 05:01:29PM -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 04:35:10PM -0500, Mike Miller wrote: >>> An example would be that I have an mbox file (email messages) of 300 MB >>> and containing 50,000 messages and I want to break it into 10 sections of >>> at least 30 MB each (the tenth section would have to be a little smaller >>> because there wouldn't be enough file left). >>> >>> I can do stuff like this to divide the file "mbox" into individual email >>> messages, one per file... >>> >>> csplit -ksz mbox '/^From /' {*} >> >> I don't have an answer to your general question, but in this particular >> instance csplit would not necessarily do what you want, as there might >> be a paragraph starting with 'From' at the beginning of the line (which >> vim e-mail syntax highlighting merrily bolds and colors) that would >> result in a message split in two. Use 'formail' for this kind of >> processing. > > When I've edited my mbox files with Emacs, anything that would match > ^From that wasn't actually an e-mail delimiter was actually turned into > ^>From. My understanding is that this is part of some spec somewhere. It is, but I don't really do what I said I do. I wrote the regexp as "^From " because I didn't want to type out the long one. This is the one I would really use if I didn't want to screw up: ^From \S+\s+\S+\s+\S+\s+\d+\s+\d+:\d+:\d+\s+\d+ The thing is, that would probably slow things down and the other method is very unlikely to split a message unless I'm dividing a file into many pieces. I could check that it worked. I think the "^>From " substitution is not always used, but formail is supposed to use it: http://linuxcommand.org/man_pages/formail1.html I'm not sure of how it decides unless it uses a regexp like the one I show above. Mike From gsker at skerbitz.org Thu Oct 14 19:49:29 2010 From: gsker at skerbitz.org (Gerry) Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 19:49:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] csplit In-Reply-To: <20101014220129.GM2206@styx.iucha.org> References: <20101014220129.GM2206@styx.iucha.org> Message-ID: For searching: Split E-Mail mbox with formail limiting output mbox size. This looked intriguing and I didn't quickly find the answer on the web. I created maxmail.sh containing this script: #! /bin/sh -f prefix=splitmbox # 10MB maxsize=10000000 #check that the count file exist. Make one if it doesn't. if [ ! -f count ] ; then echo 1 > count fi # set a variable to the contents of the count file count=$(cat count) # create a splitmbox file if it doesn't exist if [ ! -f $prefix.$count ] ; then touch $prefix.$count fi #check the size of that box size=`stat -c %s $prefix.$(cat count)` # if it's greater than your max, then increment count if [ $size -gt $maxsize ] ; then count=$(expr $count + 1) echo $count > count echo "Splitting to $prefix.$count" fi # append whatever came into this script to the splitmbox file cat >> $prefix.$count #-----------------End Script Then I ran procmail -s ./maxmail.sh < mbox if you have some really large individual mails, they will stay together and may make your split mbox bigger than your max. My result: Splitting to splitmbox.2 Splitting to splitmbox.3 Splitting to splitmbox.4 Splitting to splitmbox.5 gsker at veeta:~/mail> ls -l splitmbox.* -rw-rw-r-- 1 gsker gsker 10006881 2010-10-14 19:44 splitmbox.1 -rw-rw-r-- 1 gsker gsker 11950245 2010-10-14 19:45 splitmbox.2 -rw-rw-r-- 1 gsker gsker 12995777 2010-10-14 19:45 splitmbox.3 -rw-rw-r-- 1 gsker gsker 10063591 2010-10-14 19:45 splitmbox.4 -rw-rw-r-- 1 gsker gsker 4328906 2010-10-14 19:45 splitmbox.5 gsker at veeta:~/mail> wc -l splitmbox.* 165330 splitmbox.1 210013 splitmbox.2 200543 splitmbox.3 171013 splitmbox.4 90904 splitmbox.5 837803 total gsker at veeta:~/mail> wc -l mbox 837803 mbox Cool! -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker at skerbitz.org -------------- next part -------------- On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 04:35:10PM -0500, Mike Miller wrote: > The csplit coreutil program lets me split a file into sections based on > some delimiter. What I really want to do is split a file into sections > based on a delimiter but forcing those sections to be at least b bytes in > size, even if that means including multiple delimiters in most or all > sections. > > An example would be that I have an mbox file (email messages) of 300 MB > and containing 50,000 messages and I want to break it into 10 sections of > at least 30 MB each (the tenth section would have to be a little smaller > because there wouldn't be enough file left). > > I can do stuff like this to divide the file "mbox" into individual email > messages, one per file... > > csplit -ksz mbox '/^From /' {*} I don't have an answer to your general question, but in this particular instance csplit would not necessarily do what you want, as there might be a paragraph starting with 'From' at the beginning of the line (which vim e-mail syntax highlighting merrily bolds and colors) that would result in a message split in two. Use 'formail' for this kind of processing. > ...but I can't figure out how to make the files bigger so that they > include multiple delimiters. > > It seems like there ought to be a way to do this. You could be 'catting' together bunches of smaller files 8^) Cheers, florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Like this: #! /bin/sh -f prefix="splitmbox" # 10MB maxsize=10000000 # set a variable to the contents of the count file touch count count=$(expr $(cat count) + 0) # append whatever came into this script to the splitmbox file cat >> "$prefix.$count" # if the size is greater than your max, then increment count if [ $(stat -c %s "$prefix.$count") -gt $maxsize ] ; then expr $count + 1 > count echo "Splitting to $prefix.$(cat count)" fi #-----------------End Script On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Gerry wrote: > #! /bin/sh -f > > prefix=splitmbox > # 10MB > maxsize=10000000 > > #check that the count file exist. Make one if it doesn't. > if [ ! -f count ] ; then > echo 1 > count > fi > > # set a variable to the contents of the count file > count=$(cat count) > > # create a splitmbox file if it doesn't exist > if [ ! -f $prefix.$count ] ; then > touch $prefix.$count > fi > > #check the size of that box > size=`stat -c %s $prefix.$(cat count)` > > # if it's greater than your max, then increment count > if [ $size -gt $maxsize ] ; then > count=$(expr $count + 1) > echo $count > count > echo "Splitting to $prefix.$count" > fi > > # append whatever came into this script to the splitmbox file > cat >> $prefix.$count > #-----------------End Script > > Then I ran > procmail -s ./maxmail.sh < mbox > > > if you have some really large individual mails, they will stay together > and may make your split mbox bigger than your max. > My result: > Splitting to splitmbox.2 > Splitting to splitmbox.3 > Splitting to splitmbox.4 > Splitting to splitmbox.5 > > gsker at veeta:~/mail> ls -l splitmbox.* > -rw-rw-r-- 1 gsker gsker 10006881 2010-10-14 19:44 splitmbox.1 > -rw-rw-r-- 1 gsker gsker 11950245 2010-10-14 19:45 splitmbox.2 > -rw-rw-r-- 1 gsker gsker 12995777 2010-10-14 19:45 splitmbox.3 > -rw-rw-r-- 1 gsker gsker 10063591 2010-10-14 19:45 splitmbox.4 > -rw-rw-r-- 1 gsker gsker 4328906 2010-10-14 19:45 splitmbox.5 > > gsker at veeta:~/mail> wc -l splitmbox.* > 165330 splitmbox.1 > 210013 splitmbox.2 > 200543 splitmbox.3 > 171013 splitmbox.4 > 90904 splitmbox.5 > 837803 total > > gsker at veeta:~/mail> wc -l mbox > 837803 mbox > > > > > Cool! > > > > -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker at skerbitz.org -------------- next part -------------- On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 04:35:10PM -0500, Mike Miller wrote: > The csplit coreutil program lets me split a file into sections based on > some delimiter. What I really want to do is split a file into sections > based on a delimiter but forcing those sections to be at least b bytes in > size, even if that means including multiple delimiters in most or all > sections. > > An example would be that I have an mbox file (email messages) of 300 MB > and containing 50,000 messages and I want to break it into 10 sections of > at least 30 MB each (the tenth section would have to be a little smaller > because there wouldn't be enough file left). > > I can do stuff like this to divide the file "mbox" into individual email > messages, one per file... > > csplit -ksz mbox '/^From /' {*} I don't have an answer to your general question, but in this particular instance csplit would not necessarily do what you want, as there might be a paragraph starting with 'From' at the beginning of the line (which vim e-mail syntax highlighting merrily bolds and colors) that would result in a message split in two. Use 'formail' for this kind of processing. > ...but I can't figure out how to make the files bigger so that they > include multiple delimiters. > > It seems like there ought to be a way to do this. You could be 'catting' together bunches of smaller files 8^) Cheers, florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Most programs that fill the terminal window also work this way > -- when they exit, they remove themselves from the screen and show the > screen as it was when they started. > > Unfortunately, "top" doesn't seem to work that way. It always leaves its > text on the screen when it exits. Do any of you understand this problem > or know how I can fix that? > > I find that this kinda works: > > top | less -rf > > It refreshes every time I hit the space bar, but sometimes when I exit I > don't have my command prompt working as before. I find that the "reset" > command fixes the command prompt, but "reset" with no options clears the > screen -- just what I wanted to avoid. It seems that "reset -I" works and > does not clear the screen. If I do this,... > > top | less -rf ; reset -I > > ... then I don't have to worry about about entering the reset command > afterward. Maybe that's an OK strategy. Any ideas? > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Fri Oct 15 03:39:06 2010 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 03:39:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] using top without messing up the screen In-Reply-To: <4CB7E545.6040404@freeshell.org> References: <4CB7E545.6040404@freeshell.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Steve Cayford wrote: > Personally I like that top does that, but you could try htop instead of > top. I like it. Thanks very much for that tip. Mike From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Fri Oct 15 04:01:31 2010 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 04:01:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] csplit In-Reply-To: References: <20101014220129.GM2206@styx.iucha.org> Message-ID: Thanks for all your work on this, Gerry. I'll have to study it and learn from it. Mike On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Gerry wrote: > Here it is a bit better (shorter and more quotes and no backticks.) > The creation of the empty splitmbox file is unnecessary if you do the cat > before the check. > And you can just touch the count file and it'll work fine. > > Like this: > > #! /bin/sh -f > prefix="splitmbox" > # 10MB > maxsize=10000000 > > # set a variable to the contents of the count file > touch count > count=$(expr $(cat count) + 0) > > # append whatever came into this script to the splitmbox file > cat >> "$prefix.$count" > > # if the size is greater than your max, then increment count > if [ $(stat -c %s "$prefix.$count") -gt $maxsize ] ; then > expr $count + 1 > count > echo "Splitting to $prefix.$(cat count)" > fi > #-----------------End Script > > > > On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Gerry wrote: >> #! /bin/sh -f >> >> prefix=splitmbox >> # 10MB >> maxsize=10000000 >> >> #check that the count file exist. Make one if it doesn't. >> if [ ! -f count ] ; then >> echo 1 > count >> fi >> >> # set a variable to the contents of the count file >> count=$(cat count) >> >> # create a splitmbox file if it doesn't exist >> if [ ! -f $prefix.$count ] ; then >> touch $prefix.$count >> fi >> >> #check the size of that box >> size=`stat -c %s $prefix.$(cat count)` >> >> # if it's greater than your max, then increment count >> if [ $size -gt $maxsize ] ; then >> count=$(expr $count + 1) >> echo $count > count >> echo "Splitting to $prefix.$count" >> fi >> >> # append whatever came into this script to the splitmbox file >> cat >> $prefix.$count >> #-----------------End Script >> >> Then I ran >> procmail -s ./maxmail.sh < mbox >> >> >> if you have some really large individual mails, they will stay together >> and may make your split mbox bigger than your max. >> My result: >> Splitting to splitmbox.2 >> Splitting to splitmbox.3 >> Splitting to splitmbox.4 >> Splitting to splitmbox.5 >> >> gsker at veeta:~/mail> ls -l splitmbox.* >> -rw-rw-r-- 1 gsker gsker 10006881 2010-10-14 19:44 splitmbox.1 >> -rw-rw-r-- 1 gsker gsker 11950245 2010-10-14 19:45 splitmbox.2 >> -rw-rw-r-- 1 gsker gsker 12995777 2010-10-14 19:45 splitmbox.3 >> -rw-rw-r-- 1 gsker gsker 10063591 2010-10-14 19:45 splitmbox.4 >> -rw-rw-r-- 1 gsker gsker 4328906 2010-10-14 19:45 splitmbox.5 >> >> gsker at veeta:~/mail> wc -l splitmbox.* >> 165330 splitmbox.1 >> 210013 splitmbox.2 >> 200543 splitmbox.3 >> 171013 splitmbox.4 >> 90904 splitmbox.5 >> 837803 total >> >> gsker at veeta:~/mail> wc -l mbox >> 837803 mbox >> >> >> >> >> Cool! >> >> >> >> > > -- > Gerry Skerbitz > gsker at skerbitz.org From cschumann at twp-llc.com Fri Oct 15 12:04:50 2010 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:04:50 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] using top without messing up the screen In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CB889B2.7080808@twp-llc.com> You might look into htop. Chris From bradyh at bitstream.net Sat Oct 16 09:40:16 2010 From: bradyh at bitstream.net (Brady Hegberg) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 09:40:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Networking Issues Message-ID: <117291B1-B2B4-418A-B232-A68B88F25FFF@bitstream.net> I've become complacent because for the last few years everything has always just worked but since a few weeks ago I can't pull up any pages served by my ISP - iphouse, on any of my Ubuntu machines. I went in and changed my resolv.conf to the recommended dns and that didn't seem to help. Also everytime I restart networking it adds the line nameserver 192.168.0.1 (dsl modem) to the top of the list. Ideas? Thanks, Brady From jus at krytosvirus.com Sat Oct 16 13:32:53 2010 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 18:32:53 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Networking Issues Message-ID: <1107902499-1287253974-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2058128849-@bda588.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> There are two methods to change that. In your dsl router you can stop it from providing itself as a dns server and pass along your ISPs or you can go into your network connection settings and choose "dhcp (addresses only)" or even use static addresses. ------Original Message------ From: Brady Hegberg Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org ReplyTo: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Networking Issues Sent: Oct 16, 2010 9:40 AM I've become complacent because for the last few years everything has always just worked but since a few weeks ago I can't pull up any pages served by my ISP - iphouse, on any of my Ubuntu machines. I went in and changed my resolv.conf to the recommended dns and that didn't seem to help. Also everytime I restart networking it adds the line nameserver 192.168.0.1 (dsl modem) to the top of the list. Ideas? Thanks, Brady _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From tclug1 at greatlakedata.com Sat Oct 16 12:12:03 2010 From: tclug1 at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 12:12:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Networking Issues In-Reply-To: <117291B1-B2B4-418A-B232-A68B88F25FFF@bitstream.net> References: <117291B1-B2B4-418A-B232-A68B88F25FFF@bitstream.net> Message-ID: do you mean to imply your ubuntu machines share a common connection to the outside world with other machines that are working better? perhaps there's a subtle difference between configs, like ubuntu might direct dns via the modem, perhaps others go more directly to the nameserver. sounds likely that your dhclient is functioning as expected. can you ping your modem? can you ping the outside world? can you ping the nameserver? are you able to resolve or pull up some names/pages but not others? can you ping the ones that don't resolve? wouldn't be the first time an ISP's nameserver wasn't functioning up to snuff, i've sometimes run my own for that very reason. dig is a good utility, or even "host" will be helpful, point either at the dns server, can it resolve various domainnames? does it work when you point dig/host at the modem? if iphouse is your isp, they're usually pretty knowledgeable, friendly, and helpful.... On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 09:40, Brady Hegberg wrote: > I've become complacent because for the last few years everything has always > just worked but since a few weeks ago I can't pull up any pages served by my > ISP - iphouse, on any of my Ubuntu machines. I went in and changed my > resolv.conf to the recommended dns and that didn't seem to help. Also > everytime I restart networking it adds the line nameserver 192.168.0.1 (dsl > modem) to the top of the list. > > Ideas? > > Thanks, > Brady -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101016/b48ef11f/attachment.htm From tclug1 at greatlakedata.com Sun Oct 17 09:35:52 2010 From: tclug1 at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 09:35:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] mint? virtualbox? Message-ID: a friend of mine said last night his music files won't play anymore since he recently ran vista's upgrade, and he asked me if that might mean some updated vista software is now deciding that some of his music is illegit. i couldn't answer that. (can you?) but i did suggest it might be time for him to give linux a try. now this man is smart (a macalester valedictorian), and carefully chooses where to spend his precious time (for $ he drives a bus parttime, contributes major energy to Boys to Men). my experience is almost entirely centos/rhel/ubuntu, nevertheless i recommended linux mint. (what would you have recommended?) he said his machine has 850mb ram. i said that's probably powerful enough to either run linux inside windows or vice versa (my relevant experience is merely kvm under rhel, ought i have recommended virtualbox or something else?), but of course there's always dual boot, and not strictly any need to repartition (eg with wubi). now just in case he actually shows any further interest, may i ask, what corrections or recommendations do you suggest? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101017/2d0db9b5/attachment.htm From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Sun Oct 17 11:24:27 2010 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 11:24:27 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] mint? virtualbox? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No idea about the music files, but it's certainly possible in Windows-land.... Well, I'm not a huge fan of Mint, since basically all it is is Ubuntu without caring about doing illegal things. And Ubuntu's smart enough these days about fetching codecs when you need them that it's really not necessary anymore, so just running Ubuntu would get you the same experience while still being supported by the Ubuntu community. 850MB should be enough to run anything he wants. It may not be super-fast, but it will work plenty well for any normal person. Certainly dual-booting would give him better performance, but wubi or virtualbox should be functional. I've never tried wubi, and I must say the concept sounds a bit sketchy, but from what I've heard anecdotally it seems reasonably solid these days. Perhaps start with wubi and if performance bothers him move to dual-boot. Note that if he's in the Twin Cities people will be having release celebrations the next two Saturdays where they could help him out - http://ubuntu-minnesota.org/regions/metro - Tony From 13.finn at gmail.com Sun Oct 17 12:09:49 2010 From: 13.finn at gmail.com (Patrick "Finn" Robins) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 12:09:49 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] mint? virtualbox? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Tony Yarusso wrote: > No idea about the music files, but it's certainly possible in > Windows-land.... > > Well, I'm not a huge fan of Mint, since basically all it is is Ubuntu > without caring about doing illegal things. And Ubuntu's smart enough > these days about fetching codecs when you need them that it's really > not necessary anymore, so just running Ubuntu would get you the same > experience while still being supported by the Ubuntu community. > Given the specs of the system something lighter would probably be better. AntiX runs well with low ram usage and LUbuntu is only a bit heavier. > > 850MB should be enough to run anything he wants. It may not be > super-fast, but it will work plenty well for any normal person. > I run a dell laptop with 2.6ghz CPU and 625 ram and I will say that the Ubuntu/KUbuntu new releases are really heavy on it. 9.04 was the last release that didn't bog. Running XP in Virtualbox OSE is heavy and will keep your CPU maxed much of the time. With Vista as the other OS I don't feel that this system is up to the task. > Certainly dual-booting would give him better performance, but wubi or > virtualbox should be functional. I've never tried wubi, and I must > say the concept sounds a bit sketchy, but from what I've heard > anecdotally it seems reasonably solid these days. Perhaps start with > wubi and if performance bothers him move to dual-boot. > > Note that if he's in the Twin Cities people will be having release > celebrations the next two Saturdays where they could help him out - > http://ubuntu-minnesota.org/regions/metro > > - Tony > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr. Seuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101017/c13edbac/attachment.htm From cncole at earthlink.net Sun Oct 17 14:31:01 2010 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 14:31:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] mint? virtualbox? RAM? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Patrick "Finn" Robins Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 12:10 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] mint? virtualbox? I run a dell laptop with 2.6ghz CPU and 625 ram and I will say that the Ubuntu/KUbuntu new releases are really heavy on it. 9.04 was the last release that didn't bog. Running XP in Virtualbox OSE is heavy and will keep your CPU maxed much of the time. With Vista as the other OS I don't feel that this system is up to the task. I think you need at least 1 GB RAM and maybe 2 GB. My Dell laptops with 1 and 2 GB don't bog, but I may not drag them through the same swamps :-) They did seem to bog with only 512MB. Chuck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101017/279a5b44/attachment.htm From sloncho at gmail.com Mon Oct 18 07:57:49 2010 From: sloncho at gmail.com (Sunny) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 07:57:49 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] mint? virtualbox? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 9:35 AM, greg wm wrote: > a friend of mine said last night his music files won't play anymore since he > recently ran vista's upgrade, and he asked me if that might mean some > updated vista software is now deciding that some of his music is illegit. ?i > couldn't answer that. ?(can you?) ?but i did suggest it might be time for > him to give linux a try. ?now this man is smart (a macalester > valedictorian), and carefully chooses where to spend his precious time (for > $ he drives a bus parttime, contributes major energy to Boys to Men). ?my > experience is almost entirely centos/rhel/ubuntu, nevertheless i recommended > linux mint. ?(what would you have recommended?) ?he said his machine has > 850mb ram. ?i said that's probably powerful enough to either run linux > inside windows or vice versa (my relevant experience is merely kvm under > rhel, ought i have recommended virtualbox or something else?), but of course > there's always dual boot, and not strictly any need to repartition (eg with > wubi). ?now just in case he actually shows any further interest, may i ask, > what corrections or recommendations do you suggest? I would recommend LXDE Linux mint - very lightweight, and from my experience does everything a "heavier" variant would do. I'd suggest dual-boot for that kind of machine - virtual XP under mint will be too slow. Also - form a "converting" stand point - I found out that my friends, which I set to dual-boot usually adopt linux much faster, as it's much of a hassle to reboot each time. On the other hend, VM solution makes people more confident that they don't loose anything ... still, while the VM users feel safer and happier, the dual-booters advance faster in the linux world :) Cheers, -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. From sloncho at gmail.com Mon Oct 18 07:59:48 2010 From: sloncho at gmail.com (Sunny) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 07:59:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] mint? virtualbox? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Sunny wrote: > > I would recommend LXDE Linux mint - very lightweight, and from my > experience does everything a "heavier" variant would do. I'd suggest > dual-boot for that kind of machine - virtual XP under mint will be too > slow. Also - form a "converting" stand point - I found out that my > friends, which I set to dual-boot usually adopt linux much faster, as > it's much of a hassle to reboot each time. On the other hend, VM > solution makes people more confident that they don't loose anything > ... still, while the VM users feel safer and happier, the dual-booters > advance faster in the linux world :) > Here's the LXDE mint link: http://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=60 -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. From 13.finn at gmail.com Mon Oct 18 09:55:37 2010 From: 13.finn at gmail.com (Patrick "Finn" Robins) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 09:55:37 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] mint? virtualbox? RAM? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto: > tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]*On Behalf Of *Patrick "Finn" Robins > *Sent:* Sunday, October 17, 2010 12:10 PM > *To:* TCLUG Mailing List > *Subject:* Re: [tclug-list] mint? virtualbox? > > > > I run a dell laptop with 2.6ghz CPU and 625 ram and I will say that the > Ubuntu/KUbuntu new releases are really heavy on it. 9.04 was the last > release that didn't bog. Running XP in Virtualbox OSE is heavy and will keep > your CPU maxed much of the time. With Vista as the other OS I don't feel > that this system is up to the task. > > I think you need at least 1 GB RAM and maybe 2 GB. My Dell laptops with 1 > and 2 GB don't bog, but I may not drag them through the same swamps :-) > They did seem to bog with only 512MB. > > > Chuck > > It is definitely a RAM issue. If I had 1G or more I think it would run much better. I overwork this old Dell frequently, it fights with any large compile. > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr. Seuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101018/04f2ca77/attachment.htm From cncole at earthlink.net Mon Oct 18 13:09:27 2010 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 13:09:27 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] mint? virtualbox? RAM? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Patrick "Finn" Robins Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 9:56 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] mint? virtualbox? RAM? On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Patrick "Finn" Robins Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 12:10 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] mint? virtualbox? I run a dell laptop with 2.6ghz CPU and 625 ram and I will say that the Ubuntu/KUbuntu new releases are really heavy on it. 9.04 was the last release that didn't bog. Running XP in Virtualbox OSE is heavy and will keep your CPU maxed much of the time. With Vista as the other OS I don't feel that this system is up to the task. I think you need at least 1 GB RAM and maybe 2 GB. My Dell laptops with 1 and 2 GB don't bog, but I may not drag them through the same swamps :-) They did seem to bog with only 512MB. It is definitely a RAM issue. If I had 1G or more I think it would run much better. I overwork this old Dell frequently, it fights with any large compile. In my case, the upgrade from 512MB to 1GB in one laptop was a BIG improvement. Upgrading from 512MB to 2GB in the second one doesn't seem better. YMMV due to a different "average granularity" in your tasks. Chuck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101018/b36891ee/attachment.htm From auditodd at comcast.net Tue Oct 19 21:16:41 2010 From: auditodd at comcast.net (auditodd at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 02:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [tclug-list] Buffalo or Cisco/Linksys?? In-Reply-To: <299587053.49942.1287540851744.JavaMail.root@sz0147a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1807968286.50027.1287541001725.JavaMail.root@sz0147a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Currently using a Linksys access point, but it's only Wireless G. In the past I have used a wireless router set with a static IP and DHCP server turned off to serve as an access point. Considering upgrading to Wireless N and for the price I figure I might as well just buy another router rather than an access point. I use a Smoothwall as my primary firewall. So I'm looking for opinions on the reliability between Cisco and Buffalo. The Buffalo has two advantages that I can see. #1 - gigabyte NICs #2 - dd-wrt firmware Both can be had with dual external antennas (MIMO).... I just have a feeling that the 'quality' of Linksys has been declining since Cisco bought them. Oh, by the way, if anyone is interested... I have a couple items to sell: #1 - Linksys WRT54G version 8 -- $25 [I was using it as a second access point, but I don't need the extended coverage lately] #2 - Craftsman 14.4v cordless drill, one good battery, $20 key-less chuck with a clutch, single speed [the second battery needs to be 'rebuilt' which would cost around $50 at Batteries Plus.] ---------- Todd Young From jjensen at apache.org Wed Oct 20 07:49:04 2010 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 07:49:04 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Buffalo or Cisco/Linksys?? In-Reply-To: <1807968286.50027.1287541001725.JavaMail.root@sz0147a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <299587053.49942.1287540851744.JavaMail.root@sz0147a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <1807968286.50027.1287541001725.JavaMail.root@sz0147a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Perhaps Netgear instead? On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:16 PM, wrote: > Currently using a Linksys access point, but it's only Wireless G. > > In the past I have used a wireless router set with a static IP and DHCP server turned off to serve as an access point. > > Considering upgrading to Wireless N and for the price I figure I might as well just buy another router rather than an access point. > I use a Smoothwall as my primary firewall. > > So I'm looking for opinions on the reliability between Cisco and Buffalo. > The Buffalo has two advantages that I can see. > #1 - gigabyte NICs > #2 - dd-wrt firmware > > Both can be had with dual external antennas (MIMO).... > I just have a feeling that the 'quality' of Linksys has been declining since Cisco bought them. > > Oh, by the way, if anyone is interested... > I have a couple items to sell: > #1 - Linksys WRT54G version 8 -- $25 > [I was using it as a second access point, but I don't need the extended coverage lately] > > #2 - Craftsman 14.4v cordless drill, one good battery, $20 > key-less chuck with a clutch, single speed > [the second battery needs to be 'rebuilt' which would cost around $50 at Batteries Plus.] > > ---------- > Todd Young > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From wdtj at yahoo.com Wed Oct 20 09:53:06 2010 From: wdtj at yahoo.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 07:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Buffalo or Cisco/Linksys?? In-Reply-To: <1807968286.50027.1287541001725.JavaMail.root@sz0147a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1807968286.50027.1287541001725.JavaMail.root@sz0147a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <36907.8768.qm@web53808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I just bought a BUFFALO WZR-HP-G300NH 802.11b/g/n (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833162031) and am very happy with it. It's a bit convoluted in the setup. They try to make it too easy with an automated configurator, but after finding the built in web pages, I had it set up in no time. I'm using it as a simple AP, not as a router. A fellow IT admin had recommended them. An interesting feature is the built in USB port that you can access as a SAN. Not sure I want to put my VM datastore on it, but it was... interesting. --- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis ________________________________ From: "auditodd at comcast.net" To: TCLUG Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 9:16:41 PM Subject: [tclug-list] Buffalo or Cisco/Linksys?? Currently using a Linksys access point, but it's only Wireless G. In the past I have used a wireless router set with a static IP and DHCP server turned off to serve as an access point. Considering upgrading to Wireless N and for the price I figure I might as well just buy another router rather than an access point. I use a Smoothwall as my primary firewall. So I'm looking for opinions on the reliability between Cisco and Buffalo. The Buffalo has two advantages that I can see. #1 - gigabyte NICs #2 - dd-wrt firmware Both can be had with dual external antennas (MIMO).... I just have a feeling that the 'quality' of Linksys has been declining since Cisco bought them. Oh, by the way, if anyone is interested... I have a couple items to sell: #1 - Linksys WRT54G version 8 -- $25 [I was using it as a second access point, but I don't need the extended coverage lately] #2 - Craftsman 14.4v cordless drill, one good battery, $20 key-less chuck with a clutch, single speed [the second battery needs to be 'rebuilt' which would cost around $50 at Batteries Plus.] ---------- Todd Young _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101020/2c4f2bc7/attachment.htm From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Wed Oct 20 10:21:31 2010 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:21:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] using top without messing up the screen In-Reply-To: <4CB889B2.7080808@twp-llc.com> References: <4CB889B2.7080808@twp-llc.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Oct 2010, Chris Schumann wrote: > You might look into htop. Yes -- that's what Steve said. I tried it and I loved it. It looks really great. There are some things I don't understand about the processes it is showing -- like the one firefox job appears maybe seven times, each accounting for 32% of memory. Maybe that's one per firefox window, but that seems wrong. "ps" only shows it once and the PIDs for the extra firefox processes do not show up. Mike From florin at iucha.net Wed Oct 20 10:38:08 2010 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 10:38:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] using top without messing up the screen In-Reply-To: References: <4CB889B2.7080808@twp-llc.com> Message-ID: <20101020153808.GI2537@styx.iucha.org> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:21:31AM -0500, Mike Miller wrote: > On Fri, 15 Oct 2010, Chris Schumann wrote: > Yes -- that's what Steve said. I tried it and I loved it. It looks > really great. There are some things I don't understand about the > processes it is showing -- like the one firefox job appears maybe seven > times, each accounting for 32% of memory. Maybe that's one per firefox > window, but that seems wrong. "ps" only shows it once and the PIDs for > the extra firefox processes do not show up. Those are the other threads. Run 'ps axH' if you want to see them with the 'old' tool 8^) Cheers, florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101020/5f1f11ed/attachment.pgp From Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com Wed Oct 20 10:38:01 2010 From: Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com (Smith, Craig A) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:38:01 -0400 Subject: [tclug-list] Buffalo or Cisco/Linksys?? In-Reply-To: <36907.8768.qm@web53808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <1807968286.50027.1287541001725.JavaMail.root@sz0147a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <36907.8768.qm@web53808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E606B5AE19@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> No experience with Buffalo, but I've run a succession of Linksys 54 wireless routers - both C and G. After a couple of years they become unreliable, requiring frequent reboots. My Apple Airport Express stopped working after several years (used mostly for travel, so spends the bulk of the time turned off). IMHO, all consumer-grade gear is junk, so get the cheapest and buy a cold-spare. Microcenter had a Tenda W311R (N) on sale for $30 last time I needed an AP. It's been running for almost a year now and has similar features to the Linksys (integrated 4-port switch, web-config, and port-forwarding so I can access my home Linux server and security cameras from anywhere on the internet). Nice touch: should you need to press the "reset" button, they helpfully print the default ip address and password on the label. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101020/67e410ec/attachment-0001.htm From jus at krytosvirus.com Wed Oct 20 11:23:46 2010 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:23:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] using top without messing up the screen In-Reply-To: <20101020153808.GI2537@styx.iucha.org> References: <4CB889B2.7080808@twp-llc.com> <20101020153808.GI2537@styx.iucha.org> Message-ID: <1287591826.7622.98.camel@sysadmin3a> While on the (now hijacked) subject of useful ps outputs I'll throw one of mine out there ps ajfx will show you the parent/child association of various processes which can make it easier to trace back processes and see what started them. If some program is spawning a bunch of processes that are causing problems you can find the source that is spawning them with this and stop the problem at the source. On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 10:38 -0500, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:21:31AM -0500, Mike Miller wrote: > > On Fri, 15 Oct 2010, Chris Schumann wrote: > > Yes -- that's what Steve said. I tried it and I loved it. It looks > > really great. There are some things I don't understand about the > > processes it is showing -- like the one firefox job appears maybe seven > > times, each accounting for 32% of memory. Maybe that's one per firefox > > window, but that seems wrong. "ps" only shows it once and the PIDs for > > the extra firefox processes do not show up. > > Those are the other threads. Run 'ps axH' if you want to see them > with the 'old' tool 8^) > > Cheers, > florin > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101020/8b9f7faf/attachment.htm From j at packetgod.com Wed Oct 20 11:27:25 2010 From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:27:25 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Buffalo or Cisco/Linksys?? In-Reply-To: <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E606B5AE19@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> References: <1807968286.50027.1287541001725.JavaMail.root@sz0147a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <36907.8768.qm@web53808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E606B5AE19@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> Message-ID: Just to chime in I do go through the linksys routers (and they look bad under x-ray at the airport) but my favorite professional grade (but still affordable) APs are the Ubiquti line (http://www.ubnt.com/). I've got a couple of the PicoStation2 HP ones and a Bullet2 as well. But they have the new AirRouter line out which would pretty much meet your requirements and looks like it is only 39$ or so. They are fairly tough, I've traveled quite a bit with them and never had an issue, also had one up on the outside of my house for a year or two and had no issues. The Pico and Bullet are both POE and sealed enclosures so they are designed to be run outside or anywhere you need them. They have a great OS on them which will allow you to do most everything you need to but they can all also run DD-WRT or OpenWRT. --j On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Smith, Craig A < Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com> wrote: > No experience with Buffalo, but I?ve run a succession of Linksys 54 > wireless routers ? both C and G. After a couple of years they become > unreliable, requiring frequent reboots. My Apple Airport Express stopped > working after several years (used mostly for travel, so spends the bulk of > the time turned off). > > > > IMHO, all consumer-grade gear is junk, so get the cheapest and buy a > cold-spare. Microcenter had a Tenda W311R (N) on sale for $30 last time I > needed an AP. It?s been running for almost a year now and has similar > features to the Linksys (integrated 4-port switch, web-config, and > port-forwarding so I can access my home Linux server and security cameras > from anywhere on the internet). > > > > Nice touch: should you need to press the ?reset? button, they helpfully > print the default ip address and password on the label. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101020/6287254e/attachment.htm From cncole at earthlink.net Wed Oct 20 15:16:39 2010 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:16:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FW: Embedded Linux Virtual Conference is Hours Away Message-ID: Attendee 48 Hour Week Reminder Hope others sit in on this and comment on TCLUG. I'd hope for significant open-source info and context, but I'm an optimist :-) -----Original Message----- Embedded Linux Virtual Conference 48 Hours Away The Embedded Linux Virtual Conference occurs on Thursday, October 21, 2010 at 11:00 AM - 6:00 PM EDT. Login Information: To access the event on October 21st click here or copy and paste this link into your browser: We have an outstanding program awaiting you, featuring our keynote address: Embedded Linux and the Traditional RTOS - Friends at Last presented by: Bill Lamie, Co-Founder and CEO, Express Logic, Inc. 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We look forward to your participation in this event! -Embedded Linux Virtual Conference Team From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Wed Oct 20 22:47:23 2010 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 22:47:23 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] USB adapters for internal hard drives Message-ID: <20101020224723.ac94f287.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> What USB adapters are used for connecting an internal hard drive from one computer to the USB port of a different computer? I'm finding computer forensics interesting and would like to practice it. -- Jason Hsu, Linux-literate embedded engineer (952) 715-7661 embedded_engineer at jasonhsu.com http://www.jasonhsu.com/ee.html http://www.jasonhsu.com/swrwatt.html http://www.jasonhsu.com/ee-robot.html From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Oct 20 23:26:45 2010 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 23:26:45 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] USB adapters for internal hard drives In-Reply-To: <20101020224723.ac94f287.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20101020224723.ac94f287.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: <84D4A199-14BE-4590-BD0B-8D2F82E32F4A@me.com> IDE: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812156015&cm_re=USB_to_IDE-_-12-156-015-_-Product SATA and IDE: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812186036&cm_re=USB_to_IDE-_-12-186-036-_-Product On Oct 20, 2010, at 10:47 PM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user wrote: > What USB adapters are used for connecting an internal hard drive from one computer to the USB port of a different computer? I'm finding computer forensics interesting and would like to practice it. > > -- > Jason Hsu, Linux-literate embedded engineer > (952) 715-7661 > embedded_engineer at jasonhsu.com > http://www.jasonhsu.com/ee.html > http://www.jasonhsu.com/swrwatt.html > http://www.jasonhsu.com/ee-robot.html > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug1 at greatlakedata.com Thu Oct 21 06:37:28 2010 From: tclug1 at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 06:37:28 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] guiless wireless chooser? Message-ID: i recently read of a wireless network chooser that works without a desktop/wm/gui, but now can't remember, what's its name? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101021/f515c31e/attachment.htm From andyschmid at gmail.com Thu Oct 21 07:37:51 2010 From: andyschmid at gmail.com (Andy Schmid) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:37:51 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] USB adapters for internal hard drives In-Reply-To: <84D4A199-14BE-4590-BD0B-8D2F82E32F4A@me.com> References: <20101020224723.ac94f287.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <84D4A199-14BE-4590-BD0B-8D2F82E32F4A@me.com> Message-ID: Be warned, I own the SYBA SATA-IDE to USB adapter and it is complete garbage. Don't waste your money. On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:26 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > IDE: > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812156015&cm_re=USB_to_IDE-_-12-156-015-_-Product > SATA and IDE: > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812186036&cm_re=USB_to_IDE-_-12-186-036-_-Product > > On Oct 20, 2010, at 10:47 PM, Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user > wrote: > > > What USB adapters are used for connecting an internal hard drive from one > computer to the USB port of a different computer? I'm finding computer > forensics interesting and would like to practice it. > > > > -- > > Jason Hsu, Linux-literate embedded engineer > > (952) 715-7661 > > embedded_engineer at jasonhsu.com > > http://www.jasonhsu.com/ee.html > > http://www.jasonhsu.com/swrwatt.html > > http://www.jasonhsu.com/ee-robot.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's in Fedora 13. http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/13/html/User_Guide/sect-User_Guide-Connecting_to_the_Internet-NM_CLI.html Otherwise if not using NetworkManager, iwlist and iwconfig with wpa-supplicant are the old-fashioned way. +++++++++++++++++ Michael Berkowski Minitex / MnLINK Linux Systems Administrator and Programmer University of Minnesota 612.625.8736 mjb at umn.edu PGP Public key: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~berk0081/pgp/pubkey.asc +++++++++++++++++ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Otherwise the cable ones in the previous e-mails are great for collecting in situ. If this is just playing around then you don't need to worry about write blockers but if you are ever in the position that a trial could be a possibility I'd look at http://www.wiebetech.com/home.php Wiebetech has some really cool products that are not all that expensive (still not cheap) including their really tiny Usb write blocker which you can use with the SATA drive dock or anything that registers as a USB mass storage. Also really cool thing they make is the Hotplug, you can actually transport a live desktop computer without shutting it down. I've seen a live demo but watch the video, seriously fun stuff. Don't forget to pickup your mouse jigglers =) --j On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Justin Krejci wrote: > Micro center typically has this type of product as well > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Schmid > Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:37:51 > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] USB adapters for internal hard drives > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jack On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:40 AM, Justin Krejci wrote: > Micro center typically has this type of product as well > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Schmid > Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 07:37:51 > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] USB adapters for internal hard drives > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101021/6b284de8/attachment.htm From jolexa at jolexa.net Thu Oct 21 10:51:24 2010 From: jolexa at jolexa.net (Jeremy Olexa) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:51:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] =?utf-8?q?guiless_wireless_chooser=3F?= In-Reply-To: <4CC03BBB.90004@umn.edu> References: <4CC03BBB.90004@umn.edu> Message-ID: <7f3a5c2cb62d65d074b2156e8e9d1369@webmail.jolexa.net> On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:10:19 -0500, Michael Berkowski wrote: > On 10/21/2010 6:37 AM, greg wm wrote: >> i recently read of a wireless network chooser that works without a >> desktop/wm/gui, but now can't remember, what's its name? >> > > Newer NetworkManager includes nmcli to manage via console or script. > It's in Fedora 13. > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/13/html/User_Guide/sect-User_Guide-Connecting_to_the_Internet-NM_CLI.html > > Otherwise if not using NetworkManager, iwlist and iwconfig with > wpa-supplicant are the old-fashioned way. There is also WICD. It has a cli component. http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ -Jeremy From mjb at umn.edu Thu Oct 21 11:04:04 2010 From: mjb at umn.edu (Michael Berkowski) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:04:04 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] guiless wireless chooser? In-Reply-To: <7f3a5c2cb62d65d074b2156e8e9d1369@webmail.jolexa.net> References: <4CC03BBB.90004@umn.edu> <7f3a5c2cb62d65d074b2156e8e9d1369@webmail.jolexa.net> Message-ID: <4CC06474.7030906@umn.edu> On 10/21/2010 10:51 AM, Jeremy Olexa wrote: > On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 08:10:19 -0500, Michael Berkowski wrote: >> On 10/21/2010 6:37 AM, greg wm wrote: >>> i recently read of a wireless network chooser that works without a >>> desktop/wm/gui, but now can't remember, what's its name? >>> >> >> Newer NetworkManager includes nmcli to manage via console or script. >> It's in Fedora 13. >> >> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/13/html/User_Guide/sect-User_Guide-Connecting_to_the_Internet-NM_CLI.html >> >> Otherwise if not using NetworkManager, iwlist and iwconfig with >> wpa-supplicant are the old-fashioned way. > > There is also WICD. It has a cli component. > http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ > -Jeremy Yes, and WICD is probably a better choice than NetworkManager if NM isn't already deeply embedded -- WICD has fewer dependencies and better system-wide networking options. NM *had* to be controlled by the GUI in userspace until the recent introduction of nmcli. +++++++++++++++++ Michael Berkowski Minitex / MnLINK Linux Systems Administrator and Programmer University of Minnesota 612.625.8736 mjb at umn.edu PGP Public key: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~berk0081/pgp/pubkey.asc +++++++++++++++++ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I use for backups http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0278844 From random at argle.org Thu Oct 21 14:05:35 2010 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 14:05:35 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] USB adapters for internal hard drives In-Reply-To: References: <20101020224723.ac94f287.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <84D4A199-14BE-4590-BD0B-8D2F82E32F4A@me.com> <256357329-1287668406-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1349002119-@bda588.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4CC08EFF.4070300@argle.org> As I'm engaging in a bit of forensics this week myself, I'd like to give a big thumbs-up to the Eagle docks. The Thermaltake BlacX dock seems to be doing a fine job as well. -- Dan From tclugl at whitleymott.net Thu Oct 21 15:18:35 2010 From: tclugl at whitleymott.net (gregwm) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 15:18:35 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] internet backup? Message-ID: > > Yes, and WICD is probably a better choice than NetworkManager if NM > isn't already deeply embedded -- WICD has fewer dependencies and better > system-wide networking options. NM *had* to be controlled by the GUI in > userspace until the recent introduction of nmcli. > yes. wicked. thanks! now, ahm, what's decent in automated internet backup these days? my favorite has been storebackup, but it begs the remote server that stores the backup, and last i knew it still begged a nice gui to retrieve files, backuppc at least has that, but as for the remote servers, are we approaching dime a dozen yet? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101021/6b7f8610/attachment.htm From tclugl at whitleymott.net Thu Oct 21 17:44:20 2010 From: tclugl at whitleymott.net (gregwm) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 17:44:20 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] internet backup? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > what's decent in automated internet backup these days? my favorite has > been storebackup, but it begs the remote server that stores the backup, and > last i knew it still begged a nice gui to retrieve files, backuppc at least > has that, but as for the remote servers... > any sightings worth mention, of backup services or vps' with low cost gb's? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101021/ff0df9eb/attachment.htm From andyzib at gmail.com Fri Oct 22 10:06:51 2010 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:06:51 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] internet backup? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've really been using CrashPlan (www.crashplan.com) for backup. I've got CrashPlan Plus on my main computers (wifes MacBook and my MacBook Pro) and a Windows PC with lots of internal storage. The Macs backup to the Windows PC and to CrashPlan Centeral. I've played with the Linux CrashPlan client a bit in hopes of switching out the Windows PC as the "backup server" but ran out of time. My first impression was that it seemed aimed more at Linux Desktop/GUI users rather than Linux CLI users. The free version of CrashPlan will let you backup to an external hard drive as well as other computers running CrashPlan. So for free you can backup to your friends computer over the internet. While I have upgraded to CrashPlan Plus and subscribed to the CrashPlan Centeral service, I've setup my family with the free version of CrashPlan and I have them backup to my Windows PC over the internet. Works great, even for my Dad who just uses a Verision Wireless Brodband card for his Internet access. To make sure he didn't go over Version's 5 GB cap we backed up his computer to a USB hard drive, and then I moved the backup files from the USB drive to my backup machine. Worked great and now the CrashPlan client only has to send updates to the remote backup. Another nice "feature" is that Code 42 Software (CrashPlan's Developers) are based in Minnesota. http://b3.crashplan.com/consumer/about.html -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Tue Oct 26 02:55:10 2010 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 02:55:10 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Install Fest !!! at Penguins Unbound Meeting Saturday October 30th Message-ID: <4CC6895E.30002@Goecke-Dolan.com> This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be Saturday October 30th at TIES, 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 from 10:00am to 4:00pm (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more info.) 3rd Annual Fall INSTALL FEST!!!! Penguins Unbound will be having their third annual Fall Install FEST!!!!!! Saturday October 30th, from 10:00am to 4:00pm Packup up your computer and head on over to install the newest versions of Linux and enjoy the company of other Linux Enthusiast!!!! Hope you can make it! *** STREAMING *** If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting. mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 I was able to connect to this stream with mplayer on Ubuntu 10.04, here is the command I used: mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 I have heard that VLC should work, but I couldn't get it to work. ==>brian. From admin at lctn.org Tue Oct 26 15:21:58 2010 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 15:21:58 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT HTML Question Message-ID: <4CC73866.3050401@lctn.org> I am setting up a web page with an iframe tag to display our local election results from another web site, refreshing every 5 minutes. The page is pretty long and I would like to find a way that a specific area is displayed in the center of the browser window, much the same as a a bookmark tag (if I had access to the content). Any html experts know how I can get this done? From ryanjcole at me.com Tue Oct 26 15:31:33 2010 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 15:31:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT HTML Question In-Reply-To: <4CC73866.3050401@lctn.org> References: <4CC73866.3050401@lctn.org> Message-ID: <247521B1-2B5E-48B4-BAE3-73205A6708A1@me.com> jQuery seems like the best route. On Oct 26, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Raymond Norton wrote: > I am setting up a web page with an iframe tag to display our local > election results from another web site, refreshing every 5 minutes. The > page is pretty long and I would like to find a way that a specific area > is displayed in the center of the browser window, much the same as a a > bookmark tag (if I had access to the content). Any html experts know how > I can get this done? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cwgriesel at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 15:35:37 2010 From: cwgriesel at gmail.com (Curtis Griesel) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 15:35:37 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT HTML Question In-Reply-To: <4CC73866.3050401@lctn.org> References: <4CC73866.3050401@lctn.org> Message-ID: If the source page does not have an html bookmark at the location to which you'd like to jump, you're only other option is to feed the html source into a database and display the results you want from your own database. Probably not as simple as you'd like, but certainly doable. On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Raymond Norton wrote: > ?I am setting up a web page with an iframe tag to display our local > election results from another web site, refreshing every 5 minutes. The > page is pretty long and I would like to find a way that a specific area > is displayed in the center of the browser window, much the same as a a > bookmark tag (if I had access to the content). Any html experts know how > I can get this done? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ryanjcole at me.com Tue Oct 26 15:45:34 2010 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 15:45:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT HTML Question In-Reply-To: <4CC73866.3050401@lctn.org> References: <4CC73866.3050401@lctn.org> Message-ID: <28E654D0-5639-4575-8635-739AEC32E4CC@me.com> Raymond, Send us the page you want to include in an iframe. And which section you want to use. I really think that jQuery will be the best result for you. As for a "bookmark" (or an anchor tag) you may just need an element with an ID. http://domain.com/url/#ID On Oct 26, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Raymond Norton wrote: > I am setting up a web page with an iframe tag to display our local > election results from another web site, refreshing every 5 minutes. The > page is pretty long and I would like to find a way that a specific area > is displayed in the center of the browser window, much the same as a a > bookmark tag (if I had access to the content). Any html experts know how > I can get this done? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 16:12:45 2010 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:12:45 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT HTML Question In-Reply-To: <28E654D0-5639-4575-8635-739AEC32E4CC@me.com> References: <4CC73866.3050401@lctn.org> <28E654D0-5639-4575-8635-739AEC32E4CC@me.com> Message-ID: Another option would be to hack together a little script that downloaded the page, used regular expressions to "cut" out the section you cared about, and just print that to your page, skipping the iframe concept altogether. (I'm hoping to find the time to do something kind of like that myself.) - Tony From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 16:27:42 2010 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:27:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] OT HTML Question In-Reply-To: References: <4CC73866.3050401@lctn.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, Curtis Griesel wrote: > If the source page does not have an html bookmark at the location to > which you'd like to jump, you're only other option is to feed the html > source into a database and display the results you want from your own > database. Probably not as simple as you'd like, but certainly doable. Can he filter it through a perl script (or whatever) that finds a certain regexp that identifies the desired position in the page and adds a name tag at that point: wget -O - URL | perl -pe 's/(unique regexp)/$1/' > file.html Then load file.html#position Mike From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Tue Oct 26 16:39:28 2010 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:39:28 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT HTML Question In-Reply-To: References: <4CC73866.3050401@lctn.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > Can he filter it through a perl script (or whatever) that finds a certain > regexp that identifies the desired position in the page and adds a name > tag at that point: > > wget -O - URL | perl -pe 's/(unique regexp)/$1/' > file.html > > Then load file.html#position Absolutely. I actually have some stuff I've written that does very similar tasks in Python. Poke me if I haven't produced some kind of sample in the next 24 hours. - Tony From florin at iucha.net Tue Oct 26 22:06:34 2010 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 22:06:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] putty problem with some hosts Message-ID: <20101027030633.GA2305@styx.iucha.org> Hello, I have a unusual problem with putty connecting to several of my virtual servers. It is so strange, I tried STFW with the symptoms but I can't find anything informative. The client is a Windows 7 64-bit professional. The servers are: * Fedora 14 beta * Centos 5.4 fully patched * 3x Debian Squeeze/Testing (fully up-to-date) When SSH-ing into the Centos and one of the Debian boxes I can use all the programs without any problem. When SSH-ing into the Fedora and two of the Debian boxes, I can run programs like 'ls' and 'cat' that write small amounts of text to stdout, but if I start 'vim' or 'screen', I just get a blank screen. Connecting again from a different machine and running an 'echo "t" > /proc/sysrq-trigger' I get this backtrace for the vim process: [50583.985126] vim S 0000000000000000 0 2613 2572 0x00000000 [50583.985126] ffffffff814611f0 0000000000000082 0000000000000000 ffffffff81191988 [50583.985126] 0000000000000000 ffff88003f27b968 000000000000f9e0 ffff88003f27bfd8 [50583.985126] 0000000000015780 0000000000015780 ffff88003f3fa350 ffff88003f3fa648 [50583.985126] Call Trace: [50583.985126] [] ? rb_insert_color+0x66/0xe2 [50583.985126] [] ? zone_watermark_ok+0x20/0xb1 [50583.985126] [] ? bit_waitqueue+0x10/0xa0 [50583.985126] [] ? schedule_hrtimeout_range+0x4a/0x112 [50583.985126] [] ? del_timer_sync+0xc/0x16 [50583.985126] [] ? poll_schedule_timeout+0x31/0x4f [50583.985126] [] ? do_select+0x528/0x57a [50583.985126] [] ? __pollwait+0x0/0xd6 [50583.985126] [] ? pollwake+0x0/0x5b [50583.985126] [] ? pollwake+0x0/0x5b [50583.985126] [] ? __ext4_journal_stop+0x63/0x69 [ext4] [50583.985126] [] ? ext4_da_write_end+0x1fc/0x25a [ext4] [50583.985126] [] ? generic_file_buffered_write+0x1f5/0x278 [50583.985126] [] ? __generic_file_aio_write+0x25f/0x293 [50583.985126] [] ? try_to_wake_up+0x2a7/0x2b9 [50583.985126] [] ? core_sys_select+0x184/0x21e [50583.985126] [] ? autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x2e [50583.985126] [] ? handle_mm_fault+0x3b8/0x80f [50583.985126] [] ? ktime_get_ts+0x68/0xb2 [50583.985126] [] ? sys_select+0x92/0xbb [50583.985126] [] ? system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b But why would this happen with only two machines and not with the other two? All the Debian servers are virtual machines hosted on the Fedora box. They were installed from the same netinst iso and updated just yesterday. If I SSH into the Centos box and from there I SSH into any other box (including the two troublesome Debian boxes) everything works fine as expected. Any ideas? Cheers, florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike From admin at lctn.org Wed Oct 27 05:22:36 2010 From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 10:22:36 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] OT HTML Question In-Reply-To: References: <4CC73866.3050401@lctn.org> Message-ID: <2083859780-1288174955-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-953689823-@bda2583.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> That looks doeable. Yes, please provide an example. -----Original Message----- From: Tony Yarusso Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:39:28 To: TCLUG Mailing List Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT HTML Question On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > Can he filter it through a perl script (or whatever) that finds a certain > regexp that identifies the desired position in the page and adds a name > tag at that point: > > wget -O - URL | perl -pe 's/(unique regexp)/$1/' > file.html > > Then load file.html#position Absolutely. I actually have some stuff I've written that does very similar tasks in Python. Poke me if I haven't produced some kind of sample in the next 24 hours. - Tony _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From admin at lctn.org Wed Oct 27 07:51:51 2010 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 07:51:51 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT HTML Question In-Reply-To: References: <4CC73866.3050401@lctn.org> Message-ID: <4CC82067.10007@lctn.org> Here is an example of what the page will look like on the day of the election: http://www.co.mcleod.mn.us/department_files/Auditor/Election_results/general/EL30.htm I want to display the information for the Hutchinson City Council and McLeod County Sheriffs race. I expect to need two different pages for this, but maybe there is some way to split a page with information from both races centered in the browser window. Last go around was very laborious as we always had to scroll to the locations we were interested in every time the page refreshed. The plan is to force a refresh every 5 minutes and not require user interaction. On 10/26/2010 4:27 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, Curtis Griesel wrote: > >> If the source page does not have an html bookmark at the location to >> which you'd like to jump, you're only other option is to feed the html >> source into a database and display the results you want from your own >> database. Probably not as simple as you'd like, but certainly doable. > > Can he filter it through a perl script (or whatever) that finds a certain > regexp that identifies the desired position in the page and adds a name > tag at that point: > > wget -O - URL | perl -pe 's/(unique regexp)/$1/'> file.html > > Then load file.html#position > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 10:32:06 2010 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 10:32:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] OT HTML Question In-Reply-To: <4CC82067.10007@lctn.org> References: <4CC73866.3050401@lctn.org> <4CC82067.10007@lctn.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Oct 2010, Raymond Norton wrote: > Here is an example of what the page will look like on the day of the > election: > > http://www.co.mcleod.mn.us/department_files/Auditor/Election_results/general/EL30.htm > > I want to display the information for the Hutchinson City Council and > McLeod County Sheriffs race. > > I expect to need two different pages for this, but maybe there is some > way to split a page with information from both races centered in the > browser window. Last go around was very laborious as we always had to > scroll to the locations we were interested in every time the page > refreshed. The plan is to force a refresh every 5 minutes and not > require user interaction. It's a simple plain text file with
 stuck at the beginning.  I 
would just use wget and perl to read in the file every 5 minutes and strip 
out all the stuff you don't want leaving only the two parts you do want. 
I could do this for you pretty easily if I knew exactly which part of the 
file you wanted (i.e., how to identify where the sections begin and end 
based on certain text strings).  I'd probably keep the time stamp, too.

I don't know how to force a refresh, though.  I would just use Ctrl-r or 
click the refresh button whenever I wanted the latest version.

Mike


From admin at lctn.org  Wed Oct 27 11:00:12 2010
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 11:00:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT HTML Question
In-Reply-To: 
References: <4CC73866.3050401@lctn.org>			<4CC82067.10007@lctn.org>
	
Message-ID: <4CC84C8C.6080105@lctn.org>

The file does not exist yet ( I will use the existing file for testing), 
but I imagine the headings will appear like this:

COUNCIL MEMBER SEAT 1 CITY OF HUTCHINSON

and

COUNTY SHERIFF

The refresh can be taken care of with the following:





Mike Miller wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Oct 2010, Raymond Norton wrote:
> 
>> Here is an example of what the page will look like on the day of the 
>> election:
>>
>> http://www.co.mcleod.mn.us/department_files/Auditor/Election_results/general/EL30.htm
>>
>> I want to display the information for the Hutchinson City Council and 
>> McLeod County Sheriffs race.
>>
>> I expect to need two different pages for this, but maybe there is some 
>> way to split a page with information from both races centered in the 
>> browser window. Last go around was very laborious as we always had to 
>> scroll to the locations we were interested in every time the page 
>> refreshed.  The plan is to force a refresh every 5 minutes and not 
>> require user interaction.
> 
> 
> It's a simple plain text file with 
 stuck at the beginning.  I 
> would just use wget and perl to read in the file every 5 minutes and strip 
> out all the stuff you don't want leaving only the two parts you do want. 
> I could do this for you pretty easily if I knew exactly which part of the 
> file you wanted (i.e., how to identify where the sections begin and end 
> based on certain text strings).  I'd probably keep the time stamp, too.
> 
> I don't know how to force a refresh, though.  I would just use Ctrl-r or 
> click the refresh button whenever I wanted the latest version.
> 
> Mike
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

-- 
Raymond Norton


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From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 27 11:27:40 2010
From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 11:27:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT HTML
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I agree with Curtis. But I can think of an easier way.

"On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, Curtis Griesel wrote:

 If the source page does not have an html bookmark at the location to
 which you'd like to jump, you're only other option is to feed the html
 source into a database and display the results you want from your own
 database.  Probably not as simple as you'd like, but certainly doable."

I would use HTML 5. I am not sure if it is an option for you.
You can access the built in sqlight database. It leaves room for storage in
the browser.
http://creativepark.net/blog/entry/id/1191
Has an example.
I would suggest getting up to speed on the standard as its making webmasters
life a lot easier.
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From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Wed Oct 27 14:43:08 2010
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 14:43:08 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] OT HTML Question
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	<4CC84C8C.6080105@lctn.org>
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2010, Raymond Norton wrote:

> The file does not exist yet ( I will use the existing file for testing), 
> but I imagine the headings will appear like this:
>
> COUNCIL MEMBER SEAT 1 CITY OF HUTCHINSON
>
> and
>
> COUNTY SHERIFF
>
> The refresh can be taken care of with the following:
>
> 


The attached bash script, as currently written, grabs the HTML file, 
filters it through a perl regexp search/replace filter and produces the 
following output.  See instructions on how to fix it for your particular 
job.  We don't know exactly the format of the file right now, so I give a 
couple of guesses.  The input uses Windows text (carriage-return, newline 
pairs at ends of lines, so the script retains that).





PRECINCT REPORT       MCLEOD COUNTY, MINNESOTA         UNOFFICIAL RESULTS
RUN DATE:11/06/08     GENERAL ELECTION
RUN TIME:12:06 PM     NOVEMBER 4, 2008

           COUNCIL MEMBER SEAT 3 CITY OF HUTCHINSON
           VOTE FOR UP TO  1
            ERIC YOST  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .   1311   50.68
            MARY CHRISTENSEN .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .   1270   49.09
            WRITE-IN.  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .      6     .23

           JUDGE 28 1ST DISTRICT COURT
           VOTE FOR UP TO  1
            KAREN ASPHAUG .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .   1841   99.46
            WRITE-IN.  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .     10     .54

Best, Mike -------------- next part -------------- #!/bin/bash wget -qO - http://www.co.mcleod.mn.us/department_files/Auditor/Election_results/general/EL30.htm | \ # comment out this line: perl -pe 'BEGIN{undef $/} ; s#.*?(.*?)(\r\n){2}.*\n( *COUNCIL MEMBER SEAT 3 CITY OF HUTCHINSON.*?(\r\n){2}).*?\n( *JUDGE 28.*?(\r\n){2}).*#\r\n\r\n$1$2$2$3$5
\r\n\r\n#s' > EL30_part.html # uncomment this line if SHERIFF comes second: # perl -pe 'BEGIN{undef $/} ; s#.*?(.*?)(\r\n){2}.*\n( *COUNCIL MEMBER SEAT 1 CITY OF HUTCHINSON.*?(\r\n){2}).*?\n( *COUNTY SHERIFF.*?(\r\n){2}).*#\r\n\r\n$1$2$2$3$5
\r\n\r\n#s' > EL30_part.html # uncomment this line if SHERIFF comes first: # perl -pe 'BEGIN{undef $/} ; s#.*?(.*?)(\r\n){2}.*\n( *COUNTY SHERIFF.*?(\r\n){2}).*?\n( *COUNCIL MEMBER SEAT 1 CITY OF HUTCHINSON.*?(\r\n){2}).*#\r\n\r\n$1$2$2$3$5\r\n\r\n#s' > EL30_part.html From admin at lctn.org Wed Oct 27 15:24:56 2010 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 15:24:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT HTML Question In-Reply-To: References: <4CC73866.3050401@lctn.org> <4CC82067.10007@lctn.org> <4CC84C8C.6080105@lctn.org> Message-ID: <4CC88A98.2000908@lctn.org> That's pretty cool. Works perfectly :) On 10/27/2010 2:43 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > On Wed, 27 Oct 2010, Raymond Norton wrote: > >> The file does not exist yet ( I will use the existing file for >> testing), but I imagine the headings will appear like this: >> >> COUNCIL MEMBER SEAT 1 CITY OF HUTCHINSON >> >> and >> >> COUNTY SHERIFF >> >> The refresh can be taken care of with the following: >> >> > > > The attached bash script, as currently written, grabs the HTML file, > filters it through a perl regexp search/replace filter and produces > the following output. See instructions on how to fix it for your > particular job. We don't know exactly the format of the file right > now, so I give a couple of guesses. The input uses Windows text > (carriage-return, newline pairs at ends of lines, so the script > retains that). > > > > > >
> PRECINCT REPORT       MCLEOD COUNTY, MINNESOTA         UNOFFICIAL RESULTS
> RUN DATE:11/06/08     GENERAL ELECTION
> RUN TIME:12:06 PM     NOVEMBER 4, 2008
>
>           COUNCIL MEMBER SEAT 3 CITY OF HUTCHINSON
>           VOTE FOR UP TO  1
>            ERIC YOST  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .   1311   50.68
>            MARY CHRISTENSEN .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .   1270   49.09
>            WRITE-IN.  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .      6     .23
>
>           JUDGE 28 1ST DISTRICT COURT
>           VOTE FOR UP TO  1
>            KAREN ASPHAUG .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .   1841   99.46
>            WRITE-IN.  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .     10     .54
>
> 
> > > > Best, > Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20101027/ad4fe911/attachment.htm From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 16:00:20 2010 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 16:00:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] OT HTML Question In-Reply-To: <4CC88A98.2000908@lctn.org> References: <4CC73866.3050401@lctn.org> <4CC82067.10007@lctn.org> <4CC84C8C.6080105@lctn.org> <4CC88A98.2000908@lctn.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Oct 2010, Raymond Norton wrote: > That's pretty cool. Works perfectly :) Good. I was thinking you would either run the script on a server that would then serve the file in response to http requests. The script could be called by a crontab, or it might just run in a while loop with a sleep command. A second possibility is to do it using cgi-bin. That way, the script would be the thing requested and the script would send html output to the browser. That gives a fresher version of the file, but it puts more load on the server because the server has to do one wget for every request instead of one every five minutes. But if this is for a small group of users, the cgi-bin approach might be preferred. With that approach you'd have to add another content line above the . Mike > On 10/27/2010 2:43 PM, Mike Miller wrote: >> On Wed, 27 Oct 2010, Raymond Norton wrote: >> >>> The file does not exist yet ( I will use the existing file for testing), >>> but I imagine the headings will appear like this: >>> >>> COUNCIL MEMBER SEAT 1 CITY OF HUTCHINSON >>> >>> and >>> >>> COUNTY SHERIFF >>> >>> The refresh can be taken care of with the following: >>> >>> >> >> >> The attached bash script, as currently written, grabs the HTML file, >> filters it through a perl regexp search/replace filter and produces the >> following output. See instructions on how to fix it for your particular >> job. We don't know exactly the format of the file right now, so I give a >> couple of guesses. The input uses Windows text (carriage-return, newline >> pairs at ends of lines, so the script retains that). >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> PRECINCT REPORT       MCLEOD COUNTY, MINNESOTA         UNOFFICIAL RESULTS
>> RUN DATE:11/06/08     GENERAL ELECTION
>> RUN TIME:12:06 PM     NOVEMBER 4, 2008
>>
>>           COUNCIL MEMBER SEAT 3 CITY OF HUTCHINSON
>>           VOTE FOR UP TO  1
>>            ERIC YOST  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .   1311   50.68
>>            MARY CHRISTENSEN .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .   1270   49.09
>>            WRITE-IN.  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .      6     .23
>>
>>           JUDGE 28 1ST DISTRICT COURT
>>           VOTE FOR UP TO  1
>>            KAREN ASPHAUG .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .   1841   99.46
>>            WRITE-IN.  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .     10     .54
>> 
>> 
>> >> >> Best, >> Mike From rallias at ralliasubernerd.com Wed Oct 27 20:04:56 2010 From: rallias at ralliasubernerd.com (rallias at ralliasubernerd.com) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 20:04:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] putty problem with some hosts Message-ID: <1288227896.8401@ralliasubernerd.com> Florin Iucha wrote .. > Hello, > > I have a unusual problem with putty connecting to several of my > virtual servers. It is so strange, I tried STFW with the symptoms but > I can't find anything informative. > > The client is a Windows 7 64-bit professional. The servers are: > * Fedora 14 beta > * Centos 5.4 fully patched > * 3x Debian Squeeze/Testing (fully up-to-date) > > When SSH-ing into the Centos and one of the Debian boxes I can use > all the programs without any problem. When SSH-ing into the Fedora > and two of the Debian boxes, I can run programs like 'ls' and 'cat' > that write small amounts of text to stdout, but if I start 'vim' or > 'screen', I just get a blank screen. Connecting again from a > different machine and running an 'echo "t" > /proc/sysrq-trigger' > I get this backtrace for the vim process: > > [50583.985126] vim S 0000000000000000 0 2613 2572 0x00000000 > [50583.985126] ffffffff814611f0 0000000000000082 0000000000000000 ffffffff81191988 > [50583.985126] 0000000000000000 ffff88003f27b968 000000000000f9e0 ffff88003f27bfd8 > [50583.985126] 0000000000015780 0000000000015780 ffff88003f3fa350 ffff88003f3fa648 > [50583.985126] Call Trace: > [50583.985126] [] ? rb_insert_color+0x66/0xe2 > [50583.985126] [] ? zone_watermark_ok+0x20/0xb1 > [50583.985126] [] ? bit_waitqueue+0x10/0xa0 > [50583.985126] [] ? schedule_hrtimeout_range+0x4a/0x112 > [50583.985126] [] ? del_timer_sync+0xc/0x16 > [50583.985126] [] ? poll_schedule_timeout+0x31/0x4f > [50583.985126] [] ? do_select+0x528/0x57a > [50583.985126] [] ? __pollwait+0x0/0xd6 > [50583.985126] [] ? pollwake+0x0/0x5b > [50583.985126] [] ? pollwake+0x0/0x5b > [50583.985126] [] ? __ext4_journal_stop+0x63/0x69 [ext4] > [50583.985126] [] ? ext4_da_write_end+0x1fc/0x25a [ext4] > [50583.985126] [] ? generic_file_buffered_write+0x1f5/0x278 > [50583.985126] [] ? __generic_file_aio_write+0x25f/0x293 > [50583.985126] [] ? try_to_wake_up+0x2a7/0x2b9 > [50583.985126] [] ? core_sys_select+0x184/0x21e > [50583.985126] [] ? autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x2e > [50583.985126] [] ? handle_mm_fault+0x3b8/0x80f > [50583.985126] [] ? ktime_get_ts+0x68/0xb2 > [50583.985126] [] ? sys_select+0x92/0xbb > [50583.985126] [] ? system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b > > But why would this happen with only two machines and not with the > other two? All the Debian servers are virtual machines hosted on > the Fedora box. They were installed from the same netinst iso and > updated just yesterday. > > If I SSH into the Centos box and from there I SSH into any other box > (including the two troublesome Debian boxes) everything works fine as > expected. > > Any ideas? > > Cheers, > florin To me, the situation looks like a server bug that produces a hash check error. If you look around in the configuration, there is an option that you can click that allows you to comprehend some ssh servers hash check errors and be able to access them even if the server has a hash-check error. I had the same problem with my phone, and when I asked someone to change my ssh server to comprehend the 2 alternate | characters in doing hash checks, along with the other alternated characters, that appears to have worked perfectly. From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Wed Oct 27 22:28:11 2010 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 22:28:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT HTML Question In-Reply-To: References: <4CC73866.3050401@lctn.org> <4CC82067.10007@lctn.org> <4CC84C8C.6080105@lctn.org> <4CC88A98.2000908@lctn.org> Message-ID: Okay, so I had two different semi-similar things. In the first case, I was parsing and editing a flat text configuration file, where I needed to find the sections and then change some stuff in the section. In the other I was getting HTTP resources. If you look at the top chunk for the downloading, and the bottom chunk for parsing and editing and writing back out to a file, you should be able to see roughly how this would go together in Python. (Just treat 'feed' and 'config' as equalish.) - Tony -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hope you can make it! *** STREAMING *** If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting. mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 I was able to connect to this stream with mplayer on Ubuntu 10.04, here is the command I used: mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 I have heard that VLC should work, but I couldn't get it to work. ==>brian.