From mark.katerberg at gmail.com  Mon Aug  1 15:55:08 2011
From: mark.katerberg at gmail.com (mark.katerberg at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 15:55:08 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list]
	=?utf-8?q?For_Sale=3B_2=2E8Ghz_Computer=3B_5port_10/?=
	=?utf-8?q?100_switch=3B=09Mac_mini_Powersupply?=
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Brian Dolan-Goecke <BrianDG at Goecke-Dolan.com> wrote:

>
>Dell GX280
>Small form factor computer
>2.8Ghz P4 CPU
>160GB Hard drive
>1G Ram
>DVD-Rom drive
>Dual Boot, Windows XP-Pro and Ubuntu 11.04 loaded
>I would like $125 (or best offer)
>
>5 Port 10/100 Switch
>Netgear FS605
>$5
>
>Mac Mini Power supply
>85W
>Model # A1105
>$20
>
>
>Email me if you are interested, we can make arrangements to meet or you
>
>can come to the Penguins Unbound Meeting Saturday.
>
>Thanks.
>
>==>brian.
>_______________________________________________
>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

I'd like the switch if it's available!
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From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Mon Aug  1 16:05:18 2011
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian)
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 16:05:18 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] For Sale; 2.8Ghz Computer; 5port 10/100 switch;
 Mac mini Powersupply
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	<c34ec798-ce6f-4017-aee3-d6f71412fb4b@email.android.com>
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On 08/01/2011 03:55 PM, mark.katerberg at gmail.com wrote:
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> Brian Dolan-Goecke<BrianDG at Goecke-Dolan.com>  wrote:
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>>
>> Dell GX280
>> Small form factor computer
>> 2.8Ghz P4 CPU
>> 160GB Hard drive
>> 1G Ram
>> DVD-Rom drive
>> Dual Boot, Windows XP-Pro and Ubuntu 11.04 loaded
>> I would like $125 (or best offer)
>>
>> 5 Port 10/100 Switch
>> Netgear FS605
>> $5
>>
>> Mac Mini Power supply
>> 85W
>> Model # A1105
>> $20
>>
>>
>> Email me if you are interested, we can make arrangements to meet or you
>>
>> can come to the Penguins Unbound Meeting Saturday.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> ==>brian.
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> I'd like the switch if it's available!
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Its yours.

==>brian.

From nealzimm at cpinternet.com  Mon Aug  1 22:26:35 2011
From: nealzimm at cpinternet.com (Neal Zimmermann)
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 22:26:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] DNS, DHCP Problems or misunderstanding
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References: <1312066432.4226.8.camel@fenton.leeshore.net>
	<CAOZLdJXVj_ko58CKJfJGh2c_iU7UDOtb4ka64wvugDDnQhXsxA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOOsjE9yFvz-=y70ziO_wiTocsY3jY6jg2_MpKxRMC2EFaWSuA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, 2011-07-31 at 22:03 -0500, Robert Nesius wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Tony Yarusso <tonyyarusso at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > DNS does not assign addresses - DHCP does.
> 
> 
> He can assign the address in DNS as long as he sets the ip address
> statically on the client.
> 
> Perhaps I'm just being pedantic. :)  I tend to prefer DHCP reservations
> myself.
> 
> -Rob
> 
> 
> > You need to add two things
> > to your dhcpd.conf.  First, tell it that 164 is an exception to the
> > pool range (so it doesn't try to hand that out to any other machines).
> >  Then, tell it to always give 164 to the machine with a MAC address
> > matching that of the client in question (a "static lease").
> >
> >  - Tony Yarusso
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

Tony is right, I needed DHCP to set the addresses on the clients.  What
I am trying to do is to let the computers here to get their addresses 
via an automated process.  The static addresses are needed to let nfs
securely attach.  I still need to set the DNS server addresses
manually at each client - that is the next nut to crack.

I got DHCP to do that (verifying each machine by it's mac).  Now I would
like (need) to get the caching DNS working.  That may speed up
connecting to the internet sites that I am interested in.

Well, a deep breath here and back into the fray.

tayl

Neal


From ryanjcole at me.com  Mon Aug  1 22:32:10 2011
From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 22:32:10 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] DNS, DHCP Problems or misunderstanding
In-Reply-To: <1312255595.3187.8.camel@fenton.leeshore.net>
References: <1312066432.4226.8.camel@fenton.leeshore.net>
	<CAOZLdJXVj_ko58CKJfJGh2c_iU7UDOtb4ka64wvugDDnQhXsxA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Aug 1, 2011, at 10:26 PM, Neal Zimmermann wrote:

> On Sun, 2011-07-31 at 22:03 -0500, Robert Nesius wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Tony Yarusso <tonyyarusso at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> DNS does not assign addresses - DHCP does.
>> 
>> 
>> He can assign the address in DNS as long as he sets the ip address
>> statically on the client.
>> 
>> Perhaps I'm just being pedantic. :)  I tend to prefer DHCP reservations
>> myself.
>> 
>> -Rob
>> 
>> 
>>> You need to add two things
>>> to your dhcpd.conf.  First, tell it that 164 is an exception to the
>>> pool range (so it doesn't try to hand that out to any other machines).
>>> Then, tell it to always give 164 to the machine with a MAC address
>>> matching that of the client in question (a "static lease").
>>> 
>>> - Tony Yarusso
> 
> Tony is right, I needed DHCP to set the addresses on the clients.  What
> I am trying to do is to let the computers here to get their addresses 
> via an automated process.  The static addresses are needed to let nfs
> securely attach.  I still need to set the DNS server addresses
> manually at each client - that is the next nut to crack.

Why? You can't get that running with your DHCP server? ISC supports it quite easily.
"  option domain-name-servers 10.1.0.12 8.8.8.8;"


> I got DHCP to do that (verifying each machine by it's mac).  Now I would
> like (need) to get the caching DNS working.  That may speed up
> connecting to the internet sites that I am interested in.
> 
> Well, a deep breath here and back into the fray.
> 
> tayl
> 
> Neal

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From nealzimm at cpinternet.com  Tue Aug  2 09:04:24 2011
From: nealzimm at cpinternet.com (Neal Zimmermann)
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 09:04:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] DNS, DHCP Problems or misunderstanding
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On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 22:32 -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote:

> Why? You can't get that running with your DHCP server? ISC supports it quite easily.
> "  option domain-name-servers 10.1.0.12 8.8.8.8;"

That line is in the dhcpd.conf file (see my original post)
For a reason I have yet to discover, DNS does not get set
at the client.  I have been looking on the Fedora forums, this seems
to be a problem with Fedora 15 - but I am running Fedora 14.  It may
be a problem that "goes away" with a future update.

tayl

Neal


From brockn at gmail.com  Wed Aug  3 12:15:04 2011
From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:15:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Hadoop Meetup and Training Discount
Message-ID: <CAHCAor7dA869_2JucPXCD2hR=cEaXMfd=DAz8VWzYeGJgAQJeg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

The Twin Cities Hadoop User Group will be having a session on Monday
August 29th at The Nerdery in Bloomington. Details here:

http://www.meetup.com/Twin-Cities-Hadoop-User-Group/events/28116971/

In addition, I would like to announce the first public Hadoop training
in Minneapolis along with a 10% discount for TC-LUG members. Full
disclosure, I work at Cloudera as an instructor. I am looking forward
to teaching in my hometown!

The first is more for software types, where the second is for
administration folks.

Cloudera Developer Training for Apache Hadoop - Minneapolis - Sept 12-14
http://www.eventbrite.com/event/1951158969/eorg (~$2000 with discount
code tclug)

Cloudera Administrator Training for Apache Hadoop - Minneapolis - Sept 15-16
http://www.eventbrite.com/event/1951160975/eorg (~$1500 with discount
code tclug)

Cheers,
Brock Noland

From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Sat Aug  6 00:16:01 2011
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 00:16:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] wifi stick?
Message-ID: <201108060516.p765G1QQ009988@okra.fo4.net>

what's available, inexpensive, and hooks an ubuntu box up to wifi reliably?
tia,
-g

From vc.lists at gmail.com  Mon Aug  8 18:10:39 2011
From: vc.lists at gmail.com (Venkat Chandra)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 18:10:39 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] wifi stick?
In-Reply-To: <201108060516.p765G1QQ009988@okra.fo4.net>
References: <201108060516.p765G1QQ009988@okra.fo4.net>
Message-ID: <CAFNzBfa5ZqUfZYS3EOoJSsY-jrGpvK4ag-XVT35RNqdMjomPfg@mail.gmail.com>

I have a Linksys WUSB600N which works just fine on Ubuntu (and a few
other distribs I've used). There are a bunch of refurbished ones
available for under $20 and they work just fine.

- Vee.

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 12:16 AM, gregrwm <tclug1 at whitleymott.net> wrote:
> what's available, inexpensive, and hooks an ubuntu box up to wifi reliably?
> tia,
> -g
> _______________________________________________
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From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com  Tue Aug  9 15:14:01 2011
From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (ron johnson)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 15:14:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 80, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1312909201.28667.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
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Message-ID: <CAE02q5eZE2jMggG=zWDV9cShvzJH8+M-x9wzz2NsLF8qXDMK6A@mail.gmail.com>

You should get an alpha awuso50nh
works on Linux comes with driver and has an antenna. also will work
in promiscuous mode for network sniffing, packet capture etc...

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> I have a Linksys WUSB600N which works just fine on Ubuntu (and a few
> other distribs I've used). There are a bunch of refurbished ones
> available for under $20 and they work just fine.
>
> - Vee.
>
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 12:16 AM, gregrwm <tclug1 at whitleymott.net> wrote:
> > what's available, inexpensive, and hooks an ubuntu box up to wifi
> reliably?
> > tia,
> > -g
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From john.meier at gmail.com  Fri Aug 12 21:56:00 2011
From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 21:56:00 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free junk
Message-ID: <CAL0Bt08nABxRP0oAKaC7Yx_5b_ehd3-YDKrei3ucw70yq0oCyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey everyone-

Anyone have interest in:

   1.  1/2 dozen Keyboards (PS2)
   2. dozen or so cdrom drives
   3. bunch of speakers
   4. 2 ide enclosures (fan cooled)
   5. 5 1/2 inch floppy drives and blank disks
   6. a dell AP  (AP-2000) with true mobile 1150 series card)
   7. some laptop dvd rom drives from hp laptops
   8. linksys wireless b access point (no power supply)


Take it all - email for pictures or more info


It'll hit the recyc center soon.....
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From avery_babel at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 12 22:43:36 2011
From: avery_babel at yahoo.com (Bob Avery-Babel)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 20:43:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Free junk
In-Reply-To: <CAL0Bt08nABxRP0oAKaC7Yx_5b_ehd3-YDKrei3ucw70yq0oCyQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1313207016.43374.YahooMailClassic@web38203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

HI John,

If the 5 1/2 in floppy drives are still available I'd love to take them off your hands. Do you have any computers they might work in? :-) I'd pay for one of those. 

Let me know. 

Thanks!

Bob

443-570-7502

--- On Fri, 8/12/11, John Meier <john.meier at gmail.com> wrote:

From: John Meier <john.meier at gmail.com>
Subject: [tclug-list] Free junk
To: "tclug" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Date: Friday, August 12, 2011, 10:56 PM

Hey everyone-
Anyone have interest in:?1/2 dozen Keyboards (PS2)dozen or so cdrom drivesbunch of speakers2 ide enclosures (fan cooled)5 1/2 inch floppy drives and blank disks
a dell AP ?(AP-2000) with true mobile 1150 series card)some laptop dvd rom drives from hp laptopslinksys wireless b access point (no power supply)
Take it all - email for pictures or more info


It'll hit the recyc center soon.....

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From avery_babel at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 12 22:45:40 2011
From: avery_babel at yahoo.com (Bob Avery-Babel)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 20:45:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Free junk
In-Reply-To: <1313207016.43374.YahooMailClassic@web38203.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1313207140.39467.YahooMailClassic@web38208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

?Oops. Sorry for the post to the entire list. 

Bob

--- On Fri, 8/12/11, Bob Avery-Babel <avery_babel at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Bob Avery-Babel <avery_babel at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Free junk
To: "TCLUG Mailing List" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Date: Friday, August 12, 2011, 11:43 PM

HI John,

If the 5 1/2 in floppy drives are still available I'd love to take them off your hands. Do you have any computers they might work in? :-) I'd pay for one of those. 

Let me know. 

Thanks!

Bob

--- On Fri, 8/12/11, John Meier <john.meier at gmail.com> wrote:

From: John Meier <john.meier at gmail.com>
Subject: [tclug-list] Free junk
To: "tclug" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Date: Friday, August 12, 2011, 10:56 PM

Hey everyone-
Anyone have interest in:?1/2 dozen Keyboards (PS2)dozen or so cdrom drivesbunch of speakers2 ide enclosures (fan cooled)5 1/2 inch
 floppy drives and blank disks
a dell AP ?(AP-2000) with true mobile 1150 series card)some laptop dvd rom drives from hp laptopslinksys wireless b access point (no power supply)
Take it all - email for pictures or more info


It'll hit the recyc center soon.....

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tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Sat Aug 13 02:05:06 2011
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 02:05:06 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Free junk
In-Reply-To: <1313207140.39467.YahooMailClassic@web38208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1313207140.39467.YahooMailClassic@web38208.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1108130158470.30407@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

On Fri, 12 Aug 2011, Bob Avery-Babel wrote:

> --- On Fri, 8/12/11, Bob Avery-Babel <avery_babel at yahoo.com> wrote:

>> If the 5 1/2 in floppy drives are still available I'd love to take them 
>> off your hands. Do you have any computers they might work in? :-) I'd 
>> pay for one of those.
>
>
> ?Oops. Sorry for the post to the entire list.

I think it's OK -- interesting to see that I'm not the only person in the 
world who would want such a thing.  I have a 5 1/2" drive on one of my old 
computers and I used it recently to copy old data off of some disks that I 
then threw away.  My new way is to back things up by copying them to 
multiple computers in different buildings.  HDD space is pretty cheap now.

But here's my problem -- the 5 1/2" floppy drive I have seems to be the 
very old low-density (360KB) type, but I have a bunch of disks that are of 
the high-density (was it 1.2MB?) type that I want to copy.  So are these 
high-density floppy drives or low-density floppy drives?  Does anyone have 
a high-density 5 1/2" floppy drive he can part with?

Mike

From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 13 12:27:23 2011
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:27:23 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free junk
Message-ID: <CABWFOjvuf_Mq5OtzDFF7xtsacx3xEuaK8mthJq+ZOd-CMkR+nA@mail.gmail.com>

> I think it's OK -- interesting to see that I'm not the only person in the
> world who would want such a thing.  I have a 5 1/2" drive on one of my old
> computers and I used it recently to copy old data off of some disks that I
> then threw away.  My new way is to back things up by copying them to
> multiple computers in different buildings.  HDD space is pretty cheap now.
I think they are 5.25" drives.

I have a corner desk here
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/sys/2540602723.html

That says $100, but it is $70.


Brian Wood
Ebenezer Enterprises
http://webEbenezer.net <http://webebenezer.net/>
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From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Sat Aug 13 12:54:09 2011
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:54:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Free junk
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjvuf_Mq5OtzDFF7xtsacx3xEuaK8mthJq+ZOd-CMkR+nA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjvuf_Mq5OtzDFF7xtsacx3xEuaK8mthJq+ZOd-CMkR+nA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1108131250290.30407@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

On Sat, 13 Aug 2011, Brian Wood wrote:

>> I think it's OK -- interesting to see that I'm not the only person in the
>> world who would want such a thing.  I have a 5 1/2" drive on one of my old
>> computers and I used it recently to copy old data off of some disks that I
>> then threw away.  My new way is to back things up by copying them to
>> multiple computers in different buildings.  HDD space is pretty cheap now.
>
> I think they are 5.25" drives.


That's right!  5 1/4" and 3 1/2".  It's hard to remember the sizes when we 
never use them anymore, practicaly speaking.  It used to take me a lot 
longer to copy a 1 MB file to a 3 1/2" floppy on the same machine in the 
USA than it took to copy it to a harddrive on a machine in Australia.

Mike

From samael.anon at gmail.com  Sat Aug 13 18:21:45 2011
From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:21:45 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free junk
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1108131250290.30407@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <CABWFOjvuf_Mq5OtzDFF7xtsacx3xEuaK8mthJq+ZOd-CMkR+nA@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1108131250290.30407@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <CAKJ_APqm-iQPdiwcy5jm7tNQJr3RE-HnwNayvj2O3+k18e_3bg@mail.gmail.com>

i will be glad to take whatever is left

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Aug 2011, Brian Wood wrote:
>
>  I think it's OK -- interesting to see that I'm not the only person in the
>>> world who would want such a thing.  I have a 5 1/2" drive on one of my
>>> old
>>> computers and I used it recently to copy old data off of some disks that
>>> I
>>> then threw away.  My new way is to back things up by copying them to
>>> multiple computers in different buildings.  HDD space is pretty cheap
>>> now.
>>>
>>
>> I think they are 5.25" drives.
>>
>
>
> That's right!  5 1/4" and 3 1/2".  It's hard to remember the sizes when we
> never use them anymore, practicaly speaking.  It used to take me a lot
> longer to copy a 1 MB file to a 3 1/2" floppy on the same machine in the USA
> than it took to copy it to a harddrive on a machine in Australia.
>
> Mike
>
> ______________________________**_________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list<http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
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From john.meier at gmail.com  Sun Aug 14 10:23:39 2011
From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:23:39 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free junk
In-Reply-To: <CAKJ_APqm-iQPdiwcy5jm7tNQJr3RE-HnwNayvj2O3+k18e_3bg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjvuf_Mq5OtzDFF7xtsacx3xEuaK8mthJq+ZOd-CMkR+nA@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1108131250290.30407@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
	<CAKJ_APqm-iQPdiwcy5jm7tNQJr3RE-HnwNayvj2O3+k18e_3bg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL0Bt08Jw7ujRwXu7ayMOnJnX2D5zVfZoor0+4MY13R3VgGgZA@mail.gmail.com>

speakers, keyboards and cdrom/DVD drives.

I'm around today.

952 835 8330

8729 walton oaks dr
bloomington

Please let me know before you head over....

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Samael <samael.anon at gmail.com> wrote:

> i will be glad to take whatever is left
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2011, Brian Wood wrote:
>>
>>  I think it's OK -- interesting to see that I'm not the only person in the
>>>> world who would want such a thing.  I have a 5 1/2" drive on one of my
>>>> old
>>>> computers and I used it recently to copy old data off of some disks that
>>>> I
>>>> then threw away.  My new way is to back things up by copying them to
>>>> multiple computers in different buildings.  HDD space is pretty cheap
>>>> now.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think they are 5.25" drives.
>>>
>>
>>
>> That's right!  5 1/4" and 3 1/2".  It's hard to remember the sizes when we
>> never use them anymore, practicaly speaking.  It used to take me a lot
>> longer to copy a 1 MB file to a 3 1/2" floppy on the same machine in the USA
>> than it took to copy it to a harddrive on a machine in Australia.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list<http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
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> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From samael.anon at gmail.com  Sun Aug 14 21:11:39 2011
From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:11:39 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free junk
In-Reply-To: <CAL0Bt08Jw7ujRwXu7ayMOnJnX2D5zVfZoor0+4MY13R3VgGgZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjvuf_Mq5OtzDFF7xtsacx3xEuaK8mthJq+ZOd-CMkR+nA@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1108131250290.30407@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
	<CAKJ_APqm-iQPdiwcy5jm7tNQJr3RE-HnwNayvj2O3+k18e_3bg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAL0Bt08Jw7ujRwXu7ayMOnJnX2D5zVfZoor0+4MY13R3VgGgZA@mail.gmail.com>
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thank you again.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:23 AM, John Meier <john.meier at gmail.com> wrote:

> speakers, keyboards and cdrom/DVD drives.
>
> I'm around today.
>
> 952 835 8330
>
> 8729 walton oaks dr
> bloomington
>
> Please let me know before you head over....
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 6:21 PM, Samael <samael.anon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> i will be glad to take whatever is left
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2011, Brian Wood wrote:
>>>
>>>  I think it's OK -- interesting to see that I'm not the only person in
>>>>> the
>>>>> world who would want such a thing.  I have a 5 1/2" drive on one of my
>>>>> old
>>>>> computers and I used it recently to copy old data off of some disks
>>>>> that I
>>>>> then threw away.  My new way is to back things up by copying them to
>>>>> multiple computers in different buildings.  HDD space is pretty cheap
>>>>> now.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think they are 5.25" drives.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That's right!  5 1/4" and 3 1/2".  It's hard to remember the sizes when
>>> we never use them anymore, practicaly speaking.  It used to take me a lot
>>> longer to copy a 1 MB file to a 3 1/2" floppy on the same machine in the USA
>>> than it took to copy it to a harddrive on a machine in Australia.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list<http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
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From tompoe at meltel.net  Mon Aug 15 08:33:25 2011
From: tompoe at meltel.net (tom)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:33:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tv as monitor question
Message-ID: <1313415205.29697.5.camel@taichi>

I just purchased a Philips 19" hdtv.  I have a Dell G260 desktop, and
now want to replace monitor and use the tv as computer monitor.  When I
run sudo lshw, what am I looking for to identify whether I have a video
card that is Digital Video Interface rated?  Also, 
http://www.ehow.com/how_2321697_use-hdtv-computer-monitor.html

calls for an HDMI to DVI converter, or cord.  Where is best place to
find this/these locally?
Any help appreciated,
Tom


From random at argle.org  Mon Aug 15 08:58:04 2011
From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:58:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tv as monitor question
In-Reply-To: <1313415205.29697.5.camel@taichi>
References: <1313415205.29697.5.camel@taichi>
Message-ID: <4E4925EC.9040804@argle.org>

The spec sheet for the Dell G260 says "no".
You can get video cards that have native HDMI out pretty cheap these
days (I think they're in the $50 range, though you might be able to find
a better deal). That is probably your best bet.


On 08/15/2011 08:33 AM, tom wrote:
> I just purchased a Philips 19" hdtv.  I have a Dell G260 desktop, and
> now want to replace monitor and use the tv as computer monitor.  When I
> run sudo lshw, what am I looking for to identify whether I have a video
> card that is Digital Video Interface rated?  Also, 
> http://www.ehow.com/how_2321697_use-hdtv-computer-monitor.html
> 
> calls for an HDMI to DVI converter, or cord.  Where is best place to
> find this/these locally?
> Any help appreciated,
> Tom
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From tompoe at meltel.net  Mon Aug 15 09:13:16 2011
From: tompoe at meltel.net (tom)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:13:16 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tv as monitor question
In-Reply-To: <4E4925EC.9040804@argle.org>
References: <1313415205.29697.5.camel@taichi>  <4E4925EC.9040804@argle.org>
Message-ID: <1313417596.29827.8.camel@taichi>

Sounds good.  I'll try to make contact with Minco in St. Cloud, for
further info.  Thanks, Tom

On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 08:58 -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: 
> The spec sheet for the Dell G260 says "no".
> You can get video cards that have native HDMI out pretty cheap these
> days (I think they're in the $50 range, though you might be able to find
> a better deal). That is probably your best bet.
> 
> 
> On 08/15/2011 08:33 AM, tom wrote:
> > I just purchased a Philips 19" hdtv.  I have a Dell G260 desktop, and
> > now want to replace monitor and use the tv as computer monitor.  When I
> > run sudo lshw, what am I looking for to identify whether I have a video
> > card that is Digital Video Interface rated?  Also, 
> > http://www.ehow.com/how_2321697_use-hdtv-computer-monitor.html
> > 
> > calls for an HDMI to DVI converter, or cord.  Where is best place to
> > find this/these locally?
> > Any help appreciated,
> > Tom
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



From taanerud at comcast.net  Mon Aug 15 09:24:15 2011
From: taanerud at comcast.net (Timothy Aanerud)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:24:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tv as monitor question
In-Reply-To: <1313415205.29697.5.camel@taichi>
References: <1313415205.29697.5.camel@taichi>
Message-ID: <4E492C0F.1000502@comcast.net>

www.monoprice.com sells hdmi-dvi adaptors plugs, or you can get a cable 
with DVI on one end and HDMI on the other.
The video signals on DVI and HDMI are the same it's just a different 
form factor on the connector.  HDMI cables also carrier audio, but DVI 
does not.
monoprice is not local, but their prices are really good.

My 40" 720p Samsung has a native resolution of 1366x768.  I think most 
newer 1080p HDTV's have native resolutions 1920x1080.
--
Timothy

On 8/15/2011 8:33 AM, tom wrote:
> I just purchased a Philips 19" hdtv.  I have a Dell G260 desktop, and
> now want to replace monitor and use the tv as computer monitor.  When I
> run sudo lshw, what am I looking for to identify whether I have a video
> card that is Digital Video Interface rated?  Also,
> http://www.ehow.com/how_2321697_use-hdtv-computer-monitor.html
>
> calls for an HDMI to DVI converter, or cord.  Where is best place to
> find this/these locally?
> Any help appreciated,
> Tom
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From ryanjcole at me.com  Mon Aug 15 09:59:48 2011
From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:59:48 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tv as monitor question
In-Reply-To: <4E492C0F.1000502@comcast.net>
References: <1313415205.29697.5.camel@taichi> <4E492C0F.1000502@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <FC4D1B92-B8FA-4FEF-B84E-2935CC411A1F@me.com>

All 1080p displays are 1920x1080 - otherwise they aren't 1080p. 1080i, IIRC, is 1600x1080 or something like that.

As for the adapter - why wouldn't it work? I have them, and I use them often. You cannot take an HDMI signal and push it to a DVI monitor that isn't native HD but you can do it the opposite way. You just need to know the exact resolution you want to push if the software / x flavor doesn't do it automatically.

--
Ryan

 
On Aug 15, 2011, at 9:24 AM, Timothy Aanerud wrote:

> www.monoprice.com sells hdmi-dvi adaptors plugs, or you can get a cable with DVI on one end and HDMI on the other.
> The video signals on DVI and HDMI are the same it's just a different form factor on the connector.  HDMI cables also carrier audio, but DVI does not.
> monoprice is not local, but their prices are really good.
> 
> My 40" 720p Samsung has a native resolution of 1366x768.  I think most newer 1080p HDTV's have native resolutions 1920x1080.
> --
> Timothy
> 
> On 8/15/2011 8:33 AM, tom wrote:
>> I just purchased a Philips 19" hdtv.  I have a Dell G260 desktop, and
>> now want to replace monitor and use the tv as computer monitor.  When I
>> run sudo lshw, what am I looking for to identify whether I have a video
>> card that is Digital Video Interface rated?  Also,
>> http://www.ehow.com/how_2321697_use-hdtv-computer-monitor.html
>> 
>> calls for an HDMI to DVI converter, or cord.  Where is best place to
>> find this/these locally?
>> Any help appreciated,
>> Tom
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Mon Aug 15 10:21:17 2011
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:21:17 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] tv as monitor question
In-Reply-To: <FC4D1B92-B8FA-4FEF-B84E-2935CC411A1F@me.com>
References: <1313415205.29697.5.camel@taichi> <4E492C0F.1000502@comcast.net>
	<FC4D1B92-B8FA-4FEF-B84E-2935CC411A1F@me.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1108151020330.30407@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

On Mon, 15 Aug 2011, Ryan Coleman wrote:

> All 1080p displays are 1920x1080 - otherwise they aren't 1080p. 1080i, 
> IIRC, is 1600x1080 or something like that.

Both are 1920 x 1080.  1080p is not interlaced but 1080i is interlaced:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1080i

Mike

From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Mon Aug 15 10:23:54 2011
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:23:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] tv as monitor question
In-Reply-To: <4E4925EC.9040804@argle.org>
References: <1313415205.29697.5.camel@taichi> <4E4925EC.9040804@argle.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1108151021460.30407@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

On Mon, 15 Aug 2011, Daniel Taylor wrote:

> The spec sheet for the Dell G260 says "no".
>
> You can get video cards that have native HDMI out pretty cheap these 
> days (I think they're in the $50 range, though you might be able to find 
> a better deal). That is probably your best bet.

That makes sense because the DVI to HDMI converters are pricey.  You 
really have to shop a little for the cables because some places massively 
jack up the prices.  I mean, there might be a 10-fold variation in prices, 
more than for anything else I've ever seen (at least this was true 2 years 
ago).

Mike

From ryanjcole at me.com  Mon Aug 15 10:25:51 2011
From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:25:51 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tv as monitor question
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1108151021460.30407@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <1313415205.29697.5.camel@taichi> <4E4925EC.9040804@argle.org>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1108151021460.30407@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <580ABB34-921D-4E1A-9394-FD792011CBBC@me.com>

I bought the cables I have at General Nanosystems for $10ea (6'/2m) a few years ago.

http://www.nanosys1.com/cables---adapters-video-cables---adapters-video-cables-hdmi-dvi-cables.html


On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:23 AM, Mike Miller wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Aug 2011, Daniel Taylor wrote:
> 
>> The spec sheet for the Dell G260 says "no".
>> 
>> You can get video cards that have native HDMI out pretty cheap these days (I think they're in the $50 range, though you might be able to find a better deal). That is probably your best bet.
> 
> That makes sense because the DVI to HDMI converters are pricey.  You really have to shop a little for the cables because some places massively jack up the prices.  I mean, there might be a 10-fold variation in prices, more than for anything else I've ever seen (at least this was true 2 years ago).
> 
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From random at argle.org  Mon Aug 15 13:39:53 2011
From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:39:53 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tv as monitor question
In-Reply-To: <FC4D1B92-B8FA-4FEF-B84E-2935CC411A1F@me.com>
References: <1313415205.29697.5.camel@taichi> <4E492C0F.1000502@comcast.net>
	<FC4D1B92-B8FA-4FEF-B84E-2935CC411A1F@me.com>
Message-ID: <4E4967F9.8020206@argle.org>

On 08/15/2011 09:59 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> All 1080p displays are 1920x1080 - otherwise they aren't 1080p. 1080i, IIRC, is 1600x1080 or something like that.
> 
> As for the adapter - why wouldn't it work? I have them, and I use them often. You cannot take an HDMI signal and push it to a DVI monitor that isn't native HD but you can do it the opposite way. You just need to know the exact resolution you want to push if the software / x flavor doesn't do it automatically.
> 
Well, according to the data sheet on his computer, it wouldn't work
because he only has an HD15 VGA out.

From tompoe at meltel.net  Mon Aug 15 13:46:47 2011
From: tompoe at meltel.net (tom)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:46:47 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tv as monitor question
In-Reply-To: <4E4967F9.8020206@argle.org>
References: <1313415205.29697.5.camel@taichi> <4E492C0F.1000502@comcast.net>
	<FC4D1B92-B8FA-4FEF-B84E-2935CC411A1F@me.com>
	<4E4967F9.8020206@argle.org>
Message-ID: <1313434007.30699.2.camel@taichi>

That's true.  So, I need to add a video card with a DVI out plug, right?
That, and a cord with HDMI on one end, and a DVI on the other should be
all I need to make things happen.  I hope.
Tom

On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 13:39 -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: 
> On 08/15/2011 09:59 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> > All 1080p displays are 1920x1080 - otherwise they aren't 1080p. 1080i, IIRC, is 1600x1080 or something like that.
> > 
> > As for the adapter - why wouldn't it work? I have them, and I use them often. You cannot take an HDMI signal and push it to a DVI monitor that isn't native HD but you can do it the opposite way. You just need to know the exact resolution you want to push if the software / x flavor doesn't do it automatically.
> > 
> Well, according to the data sheet on his computer, it wouldn't work
> because he only has an HD15 VGA out.
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



From random at argle.org  Mon Aug 15 13:47:16 2011
From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:47:16 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tv as monitor question
In-Reply-To: <1313434007.30699.2.camel@taichi>
References: <1313415205.29697.5.camel@taichi>
	<4E492C0F.1000502@comcast.net>	<FC4D1B92-B8FA-4FEF-B84E-2935CC411A1F@me.com>	<4E4967F9.8020206@argle.org>
	<1313434007.30699.2.camel@taichi>
Message-ID: <4E4969B4.9050908@argle.org>

Yes, but it's simpler to just get a card with an HDMI out.
They are common now, and monitors that take HDMI in are becoming more
common as well.

On 08/15/2011 01:46 PM, tom wrote:
> That's true.  So, I need to add a video card with a DVI out plug, right?
> That, and a cord with HDMI on one end, and a DVI on the other should be
> all I need to make things happen.  I hope.
> Tom
> 
> On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 13:39 -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: 
>> On 08/15/2011 09:59 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>>> All 1080p displays are 1920x1080 - otherwise they aren't 1080p. 1080i, IIRC, is 1600x1080 or something like that.
>>>
>>> As for the adapter - why wouldn't it work? I have them, and I use them often. You cannot take an HDMI signal and push it to a DVI monitor that isn't native HD but you can do it the opposite way. You just need to know the exact resolution you want to push if the software / x flavor doesn't do it automatically.
>>>
>> Well, according to the data sheet on his computer, it wouldn't work
>> because he only has an HD15 VGA out.
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From tompoe at meltel.net  Mon Aug 15 14:00:51 2011
From: tompoe at meltel.net (tom)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:00:51 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tv as monitor question
In-Reply-To: <4E4969B4.9050908@argle.org>
References: <1313415205.29697.5.camel@taichi> <4E492C0F.1000502@comcast.net>
	<FC4D1B92-B8FA-4FEF-B84E-2935CC411A1F@me.com>	<4E4967F9.8020206@argle.org>
	<1313434007.30699.2.camel@taichi>  <4E4969B4.9050908@argle.org>
Message-ID: <1313434851.30802.3.camel@taichi>

Now that's just common sense.  I'm running ubuntu 11.04.  Do you
anticipate issues when I purchase the video card, and install it?  Do
you think the new card will be "seen" by the system, and used instead of
the factory setup?  I've never added a video card to a computer, before.
Tom

On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 13:47 -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: 
> Yes, but it's simpler to just get a card with an HDMI out.
> They are common now, and monitors that take HDMI in are becoming more
> common as well.
> 
> On 08/15/2011 01:46 PM, tom wrote:
> > That's true.  So, I need to add a video card with a DVI out plug, right?
> > That, and a cord with HDMI on one end, and a DVI on the other should be
> > all I need to make things happen.  I hope.
> > Tom
> > 
> > On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 13:39 -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: 
> >> On 08/15/2011 09:59 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> >>> All 1080p displays are 1920x1080 - otherwise they aren't 1080p. 1080i, IIRC, is 1600x1080 or something like that.
> >>>
> >>> As for the adapter - why wouldn't it work? I have them, and I use them often. You cannot take an HDMI signal and push it to a DVI monitor that isn't native HD but you can do it the opposite way. You just need to know the exact resolution you want to push if the software / x flavor doesn't do it automatically.
> >>>
> >> Well, according to the data sheet on his computer, it wouldn't work
> >> because he only has an HD15 VGA out.
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



From random at argle.org  Mon Aug 15 14:23:56 2011
From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:23:56 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tv as monitor question
In-Reply-To: <1313434851.30802.3.camel@taichi>
References: <1313415205.29697.5.camel@taichi>
	<4E492C0F.1000502@comcast.net>	<FC4D1B92-B8FA-4FEF-B84E-2935CC411A1F@me.com>	<4E4967F9.8020206@argle.org>	<1313434007.30699.2.camel@taichi>
	<4E4969B4.9050908@argle.org> <1313434851.30802.3.camel@taichi>
Message-ID: <4E49724C.8050006@argle.org>

The worst I've seen lately was when I needed to remove
/etc/X11/xorg.conf and force an xserver reconfiguration.

Xorg is amazingly good with most cards, and if you get a cheap one it
will be an older chipset that might even have full support.

On 08/15/2011 02:00 PM, tom wrote:
> Now that's just common sense.  I'm running ubuntu 11.04.  Do you
> anticipate issues when I purchase the video card, and install it?  Do
> you think the new card will be "seen" by the system, and used instead of
> the factory setup?  I've never added a video card to a computer, before.
> Tom
> 
> On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 13:47 -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: 
>> Yes, but it's simpler to just get a card with an HDMI out.
>> They are common now, and monitors that take HDMI in are becoming more
>> common as well.
>>
>> On 08/15/2011 01:46 PM, tom wrote:
>>> That's true.  So, I need to add a video card with a DVI out plug, right?
>>> That, and a cord with HDMI on one end, and a DVI on the other should be
>>> all I need to make things happen.  I hope.
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 13:39 -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: 
>>>> On 08/15/2011 09:59 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>>>>> All 1080p displays are 1920x1080 - otherwise they aren't 1080p. 1080i, IIRC, is 1600x1080 or something like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the adapter - why wouldn't it work? I have them, and I use them often. You cannot take an HDMI signal and push it to a DVI monitor that isn't native HD but you can do it the opposite way. You just need to know the exact resolution you want to push if the software / x flavor doesn't do it automatically.
>>>>>
>>>> Well, according to the data sheet on his computer, it wouldn't work
>>>> because he only has an HD15 VGA out.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Tue Aug 16 19:55:43 2011
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:55:43 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Shell Programming 2 @Penguins Unbound Meeting August
	20th
Message-ID: <4E4B118F.9090706@Goecke-Dolan.com>

This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be
Saturday August 20th at TIES,
1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108
from 10:00am to 12:00pm
(See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more
info.)

This month at the Penguins Unbound Meeting I continue the talk about

Shell Programming
Bash Programming
Linux CLI
Unix Command Line
Old School Unix tools....

It is know by many names, but is all the same thing.

Join us on August 20 and hear me talk about it,
and answer your questions.

If you missed the meeting last month (the first part of the talk) you 
can get a copy of it here,

http://personal.ties2.net/~bdolango/PenguinsUnbound/PUB_Meeting_20110730.asf

Thanks.

Hope to see you there.

==>brian.

*** STREAMING ***
If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting.
mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800

You should be able to connect with either:
mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800
or
vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800

From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Fri Aug 19 11:01:30 2011
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:01:30 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ** Saturday ** Shell Programming 2 @Penguins Unbound
 Meeting August 20th
Message-ID: <4E4E88DA.8070403@Goecke-Dolan.com>

This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be
Saturday August 20th at TIES,
1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108
from 10:00am to 12:00pm
(See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more
info.)

This month at the Penguins Unbound Meeting I continue the talk about

Shell Programming
Bash Programming
Linux CLI
Unix Command Line
Old School Unix tools....

It is know by many names, but is all the same thing.

Join us on August 20 and hear me talk about it,
and answer your questions.

If you missed the meeting last month (the first part of the talk) you 
can get a copy of it here,

http://personal.ties2.net/~bdolango/PenguinsUnbound/PUB_Meeting_20110730.asf

**** Win Nagios World Conference North America - 2011 Pass ***

Nagios has graciously given Penguins Unbound 3 Passes to their upcoming 
Nagios Conference (Learn more about the conference at 
http://go.nagios.com/nwcna ). Penguins Unbound will be giving these 
tickets away at the upcoming Penguins Unbound Meeting.

The "Nagios World Conference North America - 2011" is going to be 
September 27-29 in Saint Paul. Please be certain you can make the commit 
to attend the conference if you enter the drawing. (These passes are 
valued at over $900) You will need to be present at the Penguins Unbound 
meeting drawing to win the pass. Good Luck!

**** Nagios World Conference North America - 2011 Tickets ***

Thanks.

Hope to see you there.

==>brian.

*** STREAMING ***
If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting.
mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800

You should be able to connect with either:
mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800
or
vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800

From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Fri Aug 19 11:27:38 2011
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:27:38 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] * Win * A Pass to Nagios World Conference North
	America - 2011
Message-ID: <4E4E8EFA.9060104@Goecke-Dolan.com>


**** Win Nagios World Conference North America - 2011 Pass ***

Nagios has graciously given Penguins Unbound 3 Passes to their upcoming 
Nagios Conference (Learn more about the conference at 
http://go.nagios.com/nwcna ). Penguins Unbound will be giving these 
tickets away at the upcoming Penguins Unbound Meeting.

The "Nagios World Conference North America - 2011" is going to be 
September 27-29 in Saint Paul. Please be certain you can make the commit 
to attend the conference if you enter the drawing. (These passes are 
valued at over $900)

You will need to be present at the Penguins Unbound meeting drawing to 
win the pass. Here is the Meeting info.

PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be
Saturday August 20th at TIES,
1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108
from 10:00am to 12:00pm
(See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more
info.)
We will be talking about Bash Shell Programming this month.

Good Luck.

==>brian.

From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com  Sat Aug 20 07:45:54 2011
From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 07:45:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Minnesota Swift Linux 0.1.2 is now available!!!
Message-ID: <20110820074554.7f258a80.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>

Swift Linux 0.1.2 (based on antiX Linux M11) is now available at http://www.swiftlinux.org.  There are two plain vanilla editions (Diet Swift Linux and Regular Swift Linux) and three special editions (Taylor Swift Linux, Minnesota Swift Linux, and Chicago Swift Linux).

Swift Linux is lightweight, user-friendly, and fully compatible with the large Debian software repository.  No other distro can compete with Swift Linux on all three of these criteria.  If you wish that Puppy Linux had a large software repository, or if you wish that Linux Mint could be as lightweight as Puppy Linux, then this is the distro for you.

Swift Linux gives that old computer a new lease on life!  Windows XP support ends on April 8, 2014. Instead of spending hundreds of dollars on a new computer or slowing down your old computer with a costly and bloated "upgrade", make the REAL UPGRADE to Swift Linux. 

P.S.  Swift Linux NEEDS more developers!  The version control system is GitHub (https://github.com/swiftlinux), and the bug/goal tracker is Launchpad.net (https://launchpad.net/swiftlinux).  I have refactored the source code so that each major function has its own repository (instead of cramming everything into one repository).  I have implemented Python scripts for transforming Diet Swift Linux into Regular Swift Linux and the special editions.  There are even scripts that automatically generate scripts for building Regular Swift Linux and the special editions.

-- 
Jason Hsu <jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com>
Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org)

From samael.anon at gmail.com  Sun Aug 21 17:36:49 2011
From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 17:36:49 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ppc mac g4
Message-ID: <CAKJ_APp4XCiDqGXQeVBHuWHRupwW6w5pDusF=7SRiUFECkWU+g@mail.gmail.com>

i am thinking mint linux...   any ideas on a version that will work on a g4.
 also there may be a way to get flash to work on ppc.  still have to read
the article.
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From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com  Sun Aug 21 18:30:47 2011
From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:30:47 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Best places for uploading 3.2 GB of files
Message-ID: <20110821183047.312b68be.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>

The five editions of Swift Linux are a combined total of 3.2 GB.  Where can I get a fast Wifi UPLOAD connection that can handle this much data?

My home Internet connection is rated at only 384 kbps for uploading (half the download speed), or 48 kB/sec. At that speed, it takes nearly 20 hours to upload 3.2 GB (nearly 4 hours per file).  That's a long time, but that's not the worst part.  In the interest of safety, I unplug my computer during thunderstorms.  (I unplug the surge protectors from the electrical outlet AND the phone line.)  This means that it takes much longer than 20 hours to upload everything if I have to keep everything unplugged when I'm asleep or not at home.

While I know of places with a fast Wifi connection for downloading files, I'm having difficulty finding places with a fast Wifi connection for uploading files.  The fastest upload connections I've had have been 200-300 kB/sec, and that's if I'm very lucky.  In the most optimistic scenario, that's 3 hours for all five files, or just over half an hour per file.  But getting a 300 kB/sec connection is a big if.  Also, if I'm in a place with a Wifi connection, I can't leave my laptop running unattended, so I'm stuck there.  I have to wait for the file to finish uploading.

When you have HUGE amounts of data to upload, what's your solution?  Do you have a T1 line?  Are there places with very fast Wifi connections?

-- 
Jason Hsu <jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com>
Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org)

From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com  Sun Aug 21 18:32:46 2011
From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:32:46 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Best places for uploading 3.2 GB of files
In-Reply-To: <20110821183047.312b68be.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
References: <20110821183047.312b68be.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
Message-ID: <20110821183246.b449c4e0.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>

If you're wondering why I pulled the plug on the iCarly, Magnum P.I., and NASCAR editions of Swift Linux, it's because it would have taken too long upload EIGHT large ISO files.

-- 
Jason Hsu
Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org)

From jus at krytosvirus.com  Sun Aug 21 18:58:57 2011
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 23:58:57 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Best places for uploading 3.2 GB of files
In-Reply-To: <20110821183047.312b68be.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
References: <20110821183047.312b68be.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
Message-ID: <78712919-1313971139-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1930947040-@b4.c4.bise6.blackberry>

Minneapolis wifi should give you a Meg of upload. Its not free in most places of course and the speed is not guarenteed. Depending on where you're sending it some places will let you ship a DVD to them and they'll copy off for you locally.

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Hsu <jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com>
Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:30:47 
To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] Best places for uploading 3.2 GB of files

The five editions of Swift Linux are a combined total of 3.2 GB.  Where can I get a fast Wifi UPLOAD connection that can handle this much data?

My home Internet connection is rated at only 384 kbps for uploading (half the download speed), or 48 kB/sec. At that speed, it takes nearly 20 hours to upload 3.2 GB (nearly 4 hours per file).  That's a long time, but that's not the worst part.  In the interest of safety, I unplug my computer during thunderstorms.  (I unplug the surge protectors from the electrical outlet AND the phone line.)  This means that it takes much longer than 20 hours to upload everything if I have to keep everything unplugged when I'm asleep or not at home.

While I know of places with a fast Wifi connection for downloading files, I'm having difficulty finding places with a fast Wifi connection for uploading files.  The fastest upload connections I've had have been 200-300 kB/sec, and that's if I'm very lucky.  In the most optimistic scenario, that's 3 hours for all five files, or just over half an hour per file.  But getting a 300 kB/sec connection is a big if.  Also, if I'm in a place with a Wifi connection, I can't leave my laptop running unattended, so I'm stuck there.  I have to wait for the file to finish uploading.

When you have HUGE amounts of data to upload, what's your solution?  Do you have a T1 line?  Are there places with very fast Wifi connections?

-- 
Jason Hsu <jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com>
Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org)
_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From ryanjcole at me.com  Sun Aug 21 19:00:28 2011
From: ryanjcole at me.com (ryanjcole at me.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 00:00:28 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Best places for uploading 3.2 GB of files
In-Reply-To: <78712919-1313971139-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1930947040-@b4.c4.bise6.blackberry>
References: <20110821183047.312b68be.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com><78712919-1313971139-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1930947040-@b4.c4.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <2034955776-1313971228-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-409203767-@b28.c12.bise6.blackberry>

Befriend a U student and use their student account... :)
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com>
Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 23:58:57 
To: TCLUG Mailing List<tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Reply-to: jus at krytosvirus.com, TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Best places for uploading 3.2 GB of files

Minneapolis wifi should give you a Meg of upload. Its not free in most places of course and the speed is not guarenteed. Depending on where you're sending it some places will let you ship a DVD to them and they'll copy off for you locally.

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Hsu <jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com>
Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:30:47 
To: <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] Best places for uploading 3.2 GB of files

The five editions of Swift Linux are a combined total of 3.2 GB.  Where can I get a fast Wifi UPLOAD connection that can handle this much data?

My home Internet connection is rated at only 384 kbps for uploading (half the download speed), or 48 kB/sec. At that speed, it takes nearly 20 hours to upload 3.2 GB (nearly 4 hours per file).  That's a long time, but that's not the worst part.  In the interest of safety, I unplug my computer during thunderstorms.  (I unplug the surge protectors from the electrical outlet AND the phone line.)  This means that it takes much longer than 20 hours to upload everything if I have to keep everything unplugged when I'm asleep or not at home.

While I know of places with a fast Wifi connection for downloading files, I'm having difficulty finding places with a fast Wifi connection for uploading files.  The fastest upload connections I've had have been 200-300 kB/sec, and that's if I'm very lucky.  In the most optimistic scenario, that's 3 hours for all five files, or just over half an hour per file.  But getting a 300 kB/sec connection is a big if.  Also, if I'm in a place with a Wifi connection, I can't leave my laptop running unattended, so I'm stuck there.  I have to wait for the file to finish uploading.

When you have HUGE amounts of data to upload, what's your solution?  Do you have a T1 line?  Are there places with very fast Wifi connections?

-- 
Jason Hsu <jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com>
Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org)
_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From erikerik at gmail.com  Sun Aug 21 20:05:29 2011
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:05:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Best places for uploading 3.2 GB of files
In-Reply-To: <20110821183047.312b68be.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
References: <20110821183047.312b68be.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
Message-ID: <CADdM08rB25V62RpuUfOOtUD7eXzKxxhQo=f=UjjWm3u8qBZQCg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Jason Hsu <jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com> wrote:
> The five editions of Swift Linux are a combined total of 3.2 GB. ?Where can I get a fast Wifi UPLOAD connection that can
> handle this much data?

> When you have HUGE amounts of data to upload, what's your solution? ?Do you have a T1 line? ?Are there places with very fast
> Wifi connections?

All things considered, a T1 isn't all that much faster than what
you're getting. It would be *much* more reliable, but also *much* more
expensive. All of the free wifi networks I've used around town (coffee
shops, restaurants, hotels, colleges, etc.) have all performed very
poorly. My guess is that their poor performance is partially due to
cost avoidance and partially due to them wanting to discourage
nefarious behavior.

It seems like the answer to this problem is to rent a build server
(either dedicated or VPS) in a real datacenter somewhere. Then you
could run your builds and upload them to your distribution point over
very fast connections. I've been a linode customer for 6 years now,
and have been very happy with their performance and service. Their
low-level plan will set you back ~$20/month. I'm not sure where you'd
be uploading to, but to give you some perspective on the bandwidth at
your disposal in real well-connected datacenters, I'm able to
regularly upload from my linode (hosted at The Planet in Dallas) to
Amazon S3 at over 30 Mbit. That's faster than you'll ever be able to
upload from a consumer-grade internet connection.

As an aside, you *are* using rsync for these uploads, correct? If not,
you ought to be, so that you can resume transfers if they get cut off
partway through.

-Erik

From max at bernsteinforpresident.com  Sun Aug 21 19:03:25 2011
From: max at bernsteinforpresident.com (Max Shinn)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 19:03:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Best places for uploading 3.2 GB of files
In-Reply-To: <2034955776-1313971228-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-409203767-@b28.c12.bise6.blackberry>
References: <20110821183047.312b68be.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
	<78712919-1313971139-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1930947040-@b4.c4.bise6.blackberry>
	<2034955776-1313971228-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-409203767-@b28.c12.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <201108211903.26282.max@bernsteinforpresident.com>

> Befriend a U student and use their student account... :)
Hi! \o/
-- 
Max Shinn
max at BernsteinForPresident.com
www.BernsteinForPresident.com 

"Profits, like sausages... are esteemed most by those who know least about what goes into them."
      -Avlin Toffler

From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com  Sun Aug 21 21:03:43 2011
From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:03:43 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ppc mac g4
In-Reply-To: <CAKJ_APp4XCiDqGXQeVBHuWHRupwW6w5pDusF=7SRiUFECkWU+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKJ_APp4XCiDqGXQeVBHuWHRupwW6w5pDusF=7SRiUFECkWU+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACEdYO0tH7=rgiJh9jM+LtBpxBLqrCwCrVg5_rDpgSnDOGRV2A@mail.gmail.com>

I sold my iBook years ago, but I used this distro:

http://www.archlinuxppc.org

I found Gnome running on PPC to be a much smoother GUI than OS X.
Great for school laptop with Linux on it, gave it some extra life.

Gnash is all you get for Flash (regardless of Linux distro); and it is
very crippled. G4 Motorola chips could hardly handle Flash in OS X
anyway.

Good luck,

--
Jeremy MountainJohnson
Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com



On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Samael <samael.anon at gmail.com> wrote:
> i am thinking mint linux... ? any ideas on a version that will work on a g4.
> ?also there may be a way to get flash to work on ppc. ?still have to read
> the article.
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>

From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 21 21:45:59 2011
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:45:59 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Best places for uploading 3.2 GB of files
Message-ID: <CABWFOjuRK66OzT3j+cTAO1fzNv79JE4i352bXWwzVGrSUQ=N8w@mail.gmail.com>

Jason Hsu:
> When you have HUGE amounts of data to upload, what's your solution?
> Do you have a T1 line?  Are there places with very fast Wifi connections?

You are welcome to stop by my office and upload files for free.
I rent office space in the Roseville area.  There's a desk and
separate area you could use.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have a corner desk for sale.  The following says $70, but it
is $60 now --
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/fuo/2547096066.html

I also have an Acer Delta Electronics AC Adapter
SADP-65KB D  for $15.

--
Brian Wood
Ebenezer Enterprises
http://webEbenezer.net <http://webebenezer.net/>
(651) 251-9384
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From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com  Sun Aug 21 21:55:29 2011
From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:55:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Best places for uploading 3.2 GB of files
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjuRK66OzT3j+cTAO1fzNv79JE4i352bXWwzVGrSUQ=N8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjuRK66OzT3j+cTAO1fzNv79JE4i352bXWwzVGrSUQ=N8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110821215529.2fed0213.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>

Thanks for the offer, Brian.  I'll keep this in mind.

On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:45:59 -0500
Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jason Hsu:
> > When you have HUGE amounts of data to upload, what's your solution?
> > Do you have a T1 line?  Are there places with very fast Wifi connections?
> 
> You are welcome to stop by my office and upload files for free.
> I rent office space in the Roseville area.  There's a desk and
> separate area you could use.
> 
-- 
Jason Hsu
Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org)

From samael.anon at gmail.com  Sun Aug 21 22:37:43 2011
From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:37:43 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Best places for uploading 3.2 GB of files
In-Reply-To: <20110821215529.2fed0213.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
References: <CABWFOjuRK66OzT3j+cTAO1fzNv79JE4i352bXWwzVGrSUQ=N8w@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110821215529.2fed0213.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
Message-ID: <CAKJ_APqTo0DyPfR4PmfzjstAv1wxAhQmyocrv5N8O_2Y4ercig@mail.gmail.com>

i can offer it as a torrent.  i leave knoppix and ubuntu on all the time so
one more distro wouldn't hurt.  i have never uploaded a torrent though, only
offer as a seed.

On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Jason Hsu <jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the offer, Brian.  I'll keep this in mind.
>
> On Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:45:59 -0500
> Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Jason Hsu:
> > > When you have HUGE amounts of data to upload, what's your solution?
> > > Do you have a T1 line?  Are there places with very fast Wifi
> connections?
> >
> > You are welcome to stop by my office and upload files for free.
> > I rent office space in the Roseville area.  There's a desk and
> > separate area you could use.
> >
> --
> Jason Hsu
> Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org)
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 21 22:50:43 2011
From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (ron johnson)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:50:43 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] upload.
Message-ID: <CAE02q5f0TcZVEUAfzFkUqwT9iRnrvmyB7GPND4q+fw+7rp4grw@mail.gmail.com>

Jason,
I have a server at bluehost and I just leave my computer on. It would be no
big deal to ftp the 3.2 gigs.
If you get a good surge protector or better yet a UPS you can leave your
computers plugged in.
,Ron
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From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com  Mon Aug 22 19:45:53 2011
From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 19:45:53 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Best places for uploading 3.2 GB of files
In-Reply-To: <20110821183047.312b68be.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
References: <20110821183047.312b68be.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
Message-ID: <4E52F841.80602@gmail.com>

On 8/21/2011 6:30 PM, Jason Hsu cried from the depths of the abyss:
> When you have HUGE amounts of data to upload, what's your solution?  Do you have a T1 line?  Are there places with very fast Wifi connections?

Depending on your budget, if you want a grip of speed for cheap it's 
hard to beat comcast biz class internet.  50M down / 10M up for 
280ish/mo.  I just upgraded to their latest offering 100M / 15M for 
something like 360ish/mo.

Compared to other (real) isp's, you can't come close on price/speed.



From ryanjcole at me.com  Mon Aug 22 19:50:36 2011
From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 19:50:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Best places for uploading 3.2 GB of files
In-Reply-To: <4E52F841.80602@gmail.com>
References: <20110821183047.312b68be.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
	<4E52F841.80602@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54EF5A85-FE65-468C-967E-EF8301D7F2E7@me.com>

My 12/2 which is really 30/6 is a far better deal for $115. :)

On Aug 22, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Mr. B-o-B wrote:

> On 8/21/2011 6:30 PM, Jason Hsu cried from the depths of the abyss:
>> When you have HUGE amounts of data to upload, what's your solution?  Do you have a T1 line?  Are there places with very fast Wifi connections?
> 
> Depending on your budget, if you want a grip of speed for cheap it's hard to beat comcast biz class internet.  50M down / 10M up for 280ish/mo.  I just upgraded to their latest offering 100M / 15M for something like 360ish/mo.
> 
> Compared to other (real) isp's, you can't come close on price/speed.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From nesius at gmail.com  Mon Aug 22 21:25:41 2011
From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:25:41 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Best places for uploading 3.2 GB of files
In-Reply-To: <54EF5A85-FE65-468C-967E-EF8301D7F2E7@me.com>
References: <20110821183047.312b68be.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
	<4E52F841.80602@gmail.com>
	<54EF5A85-FE65-468C-967E-EF8301D7F2E7@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAOOsjE_0771KFoELOe8RxYdENvv8pcfAGvZprqkHhStsGbe83A@mail.gmail.com>

And here I've been surfing with a grin on my face thanks to finally getting
a T1 out at my rural location.   Though compared to the wireless ISP I was
using, 1.5Mbit with rock-solid stability and low latencies destroys the
4mbit super-jittery and not-very-stable connection I had.

-Rob


On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Ryan Coleman <ryanjcole at me.com> wrote:

> My 12/2 which is really 30/6 is a far better deal for $115. :)
>
> On Aug 22, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Mr. B-o-B wrote:
>
> > On 8/21/2011 6:30 PM, Jason Hsu cried from the depths of the abyss:
> >> When you have HUGE amounts of data to upload, what's your solution?  Do
> you have a T1 line?  Are there places with very fast Wifi connections?
> >
> > Depending on your budget, if you want a grip of speed for cheap it's hard
> to beat comcast biz class internet.  50M down / 10M up for 280ish/mo.  I
> just upgraded to their latest offering 100M / 15M for something like
> 360ish/mo.
> >
> > Compared to other (real) isp's, you can't come close on price/speed.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com  Thu Aug 25 05:31:28 2011
From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 05:31:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Best replacement burner for Dell Inspiron B120 laptop
Message-ID: <20110825053128.87f6efca.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>

I believe that the CD-ROM/burner/DVD player of my 5-year-old Dell Inspiron B120 laptop is dying.  The CD burner function stopped working over a year ago, and the CD reading function seems to be dying as well.  I'll have to do some more troubleshooting to fully confirm that the CD-ROM is the problem and not something else (like the CD), but the evidence so far is pointing in this direction.

First of all, what last-ditch efforts can I make to save the CD-ROM?

Second of all, which specific internal laptop CD/DVD burners do you recommend?  I don't seem to have very good luck with CD burners, as I had an HP CD burner also die out after only a few years.  How do I know what internal laptop burners are compatible with my particular laptop?  Are there any internal laptop burners that are incompatible with Linux?  What else should I look for?

-- 
Jason Hsu
Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org)

From ryanjcole at me.com  Thu Aug 25 06:32:13 2011
From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 06:32:13 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Best replacement burner for Dell Inspiron B120
	laptop
In-Reply-To: <20110825053128.87f6efca.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
References: <20110825053128.87f6efca.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
Message-ID: <9AFDF774-57D0-4F46-A052-0778F6C552D5@me.com>

eBay. I am sure you can find a replacement there for $20 or so.

On Aug 25, 2011, at 5:31 AM, Jason Hsu wrote:

> I believe that the CD-ROM/burner/DVD player of my 5-year-old Dell Inspiron B120 laptop is dying.  The CD burner function stopped working over a year ago, and the CD reading function seems to be dying as well.  I'll have to do some more troubleshooting to fully confirm that the CD-ROM is the problem and not something else (like the CD), but the evidence so far is pointing in this direction.
> 
> First of all, what last-ditch efforts can I make to save the CD-ROM?
> 
> Second of all, which specific internal laptop CD/DVD burners do you recommend?  I don't seem to have very good luck with CD burners, as I had an HP CD burner also die out after only a few years.  How do I know what internal laptop burners are compatible with my particular laptop?  Are there any internal laptop burners that are incompatible with Linux?  What else should I look for?
> 
> -- 
> Jason Hsu
> Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org)
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From tclug at freakzilla.com  Thu Aug 25 10:58:38 2011
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 10:58:38 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Best replacement burner for Dell Inspiron B120
 laptop
In-Reply-To: <20110825053128.87f6efca.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
References: <20110825053128.87f6efca.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1108251058270.1847@dragon>

Just go pick up a $20  OEM drive at Microcenter.


-Yaron

--

From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Thu Aug 25 14:33:52 2011
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:33:52 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Puppet
In-Reply-To: <55FFD0FC-31A5-454A-80AE-27B2F4CDF200@dburkland.com>
References: <mailman.1.1314291601.20276.tclug-jobs@mn-linux.org>
	<55FFD0FC-31A5-454A-80AE-27B2F4CDF200@dburkland.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1108251427010.14600@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

On Thu, 25 Aug 2011, Dan Burkland wrote:

> Puppet is an interesting beast but it works like a charm once setup.


I hadn't heard of Puppet or Chef and I was having a hard time getting a 
description of what they do that wasn't embedded in impenetrable technical 
jargon (e.g., check out Wikipedia's entry for "Puppet (software)").  Then 
I found this article which explained Puppet functionality using ordinary 
language that doesn't expect the reader to have a PhD in Comp Sci:

http://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/automate-system-administration-tasks-puppet

Mike

From erik.mitchell at gmail.com  Thu Aug 25 15:42:07 2011
From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:42:07 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Puppet
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1108251427010.14600@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <mailman.1.1314291601.20276.tclug-jobs@mn-linux.org>
	<55FFD0FC-31A5-454A-80AE-27B2F4CDF200@dburkland.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1108251427010.14600@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <CANNReEGf91TDGuDAY9diYJuWDPDCrLz62SbyheW8nyG+uPtO7g@mail.gmail.com>

The brain-wizards in architecture at my P.O.E. are using Chef to
create scripts that automate the creation of server instances on
Amazon EC2.

Basically it's like a build script for setting up a system. You click
go and a server instance is created and configured exactly as you want
it. They're pretty excited about it.

I haven't had any time to look into it, but I'd like to at some point.

-Erik

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Aug 2011, Dan Burkland wrote:
>
>> Puppet is an interesting beast but it works like a charm once setup.
>
>
> I hadn't heard of Puppet or Chef and I was having a hard time getting a
> description of what they do that wasn't embedded in impenetrable technical
> jargon (e.g., check out Wikipedia's entry for "Puppet (software)"). ?Then I
> found this article which explained Puppet functionality using ordinary
> language that doesn't expect the reader to have a PhD in Comp Sci:
>
> http://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/automate-system-administration-tasks-puppet
>
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



-- 
Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer
erik.mitchell at gmail.com
erik at ekmitchell.com
http://ekmitchell.com/

From erik.mitchell at gmail.com  Fri Aug 26 00:58:37 2011
From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 00:58:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Puppet
In-Reply-To: <CANNReEGf91TDGuDAY9diYJuWDPDCrLz62SbyheW8nyG+uPtO7g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1314291601.20276.tclug-jobs@mn-linux.org>
	<55FFD0FC-31A5-454A-80AE-27B2F4CDF200@dburkland.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1108251427010.14600@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
	<CANNReEGf91TDGuDAY9diYJuWDPDCrLz62SbyheW8nyG+uPtO7g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANNReEEc5y0dk3eo1Tt4fROS6AexZSeJpe4eqALXt2Kz-rBWRA@mail.gmail.com>

Let me clarify something -- I didn't mean brain-wizards sarcastically.
I work with some really smart people.

-Erik

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Erik Mitchell <erik.mitchell at gmail.com> wrote:
> The brain-wizards in architecture at my P.O.E. are using Chef to
> create scripts that automate the creation of server instances on
> Amazon EC2.
>
> Basically it's like a build script for setting up a system. You click
> go and a server instance is created and configured exactly as you want
> it. They're pretty excited about it.
>
> I haven't had any time to look into it, but I'd like to at some point.
>
> -Erik
>
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 Aug 2011, Dan Burkland wrote:
>>
>>> Puppet is an interesting beast but it works like a charm once setup.
>>
>>
>> I hadn't heard of Puppet or Chef and I was having a hard time getting a
>> description of what they do that wasn't embedded in impenetrable technical
>> jargon (e.g., check out Wikipedia's entry for "Puppet (software)"). ?Then I
>> found this article which explained Puppet functionality using ordinary
>> language that doesn't expect the reader to have a PhD in Comp Sci:
>>
>> http://www.linuxjournal.com/magazine/automate-system-administration-tasks-puppet
>>
>> Mike
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer
> erik.mitchell at gmail.com
> erik at ekmitchell.com
> http://ekmitchell.com/
>



-- 
Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer
erik.mitchell at gmail.com
erik at ekmitchell.com
http://ekmitchell.com/

From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Fri Aug 26 15:52:23 2011
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 15:52:23 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] port forwarding, iptables?
Message-ID: <201108262052.p7QKqNOJ002177@okra.fo4.net>

i'd like to connect to localhost:5432 (in an openvz container) and end up connected to postgres in another container.
i'm presuming (HN) iptables magic is best.  is that right?  other better/worthwhile ways?  favorite howto/howidid pointers?
seems easy in concept, but twiddling iptables is a bit reminiscent of pandora..
tia,
-g

From ryanjcole at me.com  Sat Aug 27 11:59:18 2011
From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 11:59:18 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Car WiFi Antenna
Message-ID: <E4803638-B646-4EF6-8DC6-EF8028292458@me.com>

Hey guys,

This isn't exactly Linux-related... but I am looking for a good car antennae (2.4 and/or 5 GHz) that I can connect to a Cardbus card (brand doesn't matter, plug doesn't really matter... I have a MMCX to female N-Connector cable that's about 3' long). I did just find a solution online that's a 2.4GHz with a 2m cable that is MMCX but I would prefer something longer, and also find something with 5.1-5.8 + 4.9GHz if anyone knows of one that's available.

This will do the job on 2.4GHz (the aforementioned antennae): http://www.data-alliance.net/-strse-7/Antenna-7dbi-Magnetic-Omni/Detail.bok As this page says, the antenna fits the Ubiquiti card - which is what I have on my Latitude.

While it would be cool to war drive with it this is for my job. 

Also, if there's someone here that has experience making mounts, I'm interested in trying to get my omni-directional antennae to clip on to my Latitude, too.

Any help you guys can be would be most beneficial. Thankfully I can expense most of these things (within reason).

Thanks,
Ryan

From erik.mitchell at gmail.com  Sat Aug 27 12:26:02 2011
From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 12:26:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Car WiFi Antenna
In-Reply-To: <E4803638-B646-4EF6-8DC6-EF8028292458@me.com>
References: <E4803638-B646-4EF6-8DC6-EF8028292458@me.com>
Message-ID: <CANNReEE9HZopxzMOi1zwyP3rt11e4GJ1uEywvyHjdLniS3wnuw@mail.gmail.com>

Ryan,
Check out this:

http://www.amazon.com/Alfa-802-11b-Wireless-Original-9dBi/dp/B001O9X9EU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314465547&sr=8-1

afaik, it's currently the most appealing option for wardriving. The
device is able to crank up its tx power to 1000 mW when you tell it
it's in Bolivia (not that you'd ever consider violating FCC
regulations).

One nice thing is the cable you end up using is USB, so you don't get
signal loss depending on the length. If you were to have your adapter
at your computer, and a coax cable to your antenna, you'd get signal
loss requisite to the length of your cable.

I purchased one to try to find a solution to my poor location for
Minneapolis wifi after moving. I was able to get a spotty connection
with this adapter and a high gain antenna. The one that comes with it
is good, if omnidirectional is what you want. If you want a
directional antenna you might look at one of these:

http://www.amazon.com/Alfa-2-4GHz-2-5GHz-High-Gain-Horizontal-Directional/dp/B004L0TKW4/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1314465814&sr=1-2

Good luck!

-Erik

On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryanjcole at me.com> wrote:
> Hey guys,
>
> This isn't exactly Linux-related... but I am looking for a good car antennae (2.4 and/or 5 GHz) that I can connect to a Cardbus card (brand doesn't matter, plug doesn't really matter... I have a MMCX to female N-Connector cable that's about 3' long). I did just find a solution online that's a 2.4GHz with a 2m cable that is MMCX but I would prefer something longer, and also find something with 5.1-5.8 + 4.9GHz if anyone knows of one that's available.
>
> This will do the job on 2.4GHz (the aforementioned antennae): http://www.data-alliance.net/-strse-7/Antenna-7dbi-Magnetic-Omni/Detail.bok As this page says, the antenna fits the Ubiquiti card - which is what I have on my Latitude.
>
> While it would be cool to war drive with it this is for my job.
>
> Also, if there's someone here that has experience making mounts, I'm interested in trying to get my omni-directional antennae to clip on to my Latitude, too.
>
> Any help you guys can be would be most beneficial. Thankfully I can expense most of these things (within reason).
>
> Thanks,
> Ryan
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



-- 
Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer
erik.mitchell at gmail.com
erik at ekmitchell.com
http://ekmitchell.com/

From ryanjcole at me.com  Sat Aug 27 12:27:44 2011
From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 12:27:44 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Car WiFi Antenna
In-Reply-To: <CANNReEE9HZopxzMOi1zwyP3rt11e4GJ1uEywvyHjdLniS3wnuw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E4803638-B646-4EF6-8DC6-EF8028292458@me.com>
	<CANNReEE9HZopxzMOi1zwyP3rt11e4GJ1uEywvyHjdLniS3wnuw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1E35014-05F8-4B9A-9523-D10B351FF7CD@me.com>

Erik,

Thanks. I think for wireless analytics - it's primary use (in fact I'd say it's use 99% of the time) - I can get away with that.

I'll check it out. The APs I'd be connecting to after we do the install will be 400mW so this might be acceptable.

--
Ryan
On Aug 27, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote:

> Ryan,
> Check out this:
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/Alfa-802-11b-Wireless-Original-9dBi/dp/B001O9X9EU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314465547&sr=8-1
> 
> afaik, it's currently the most appealing option for wardriving. The
> device is able to crank up its tx power to 1000 mW when you tell it
> it's in Bolivia (not that you'd ever consider violating FCC
> regulations).
> 
> One nice thing is the cable you end up using is USB, so you don't get
> signal loss depending on the length. If you were to have your adapter
> at your computer, and a coax cable to your antenna, you'd get signal
> loss requisite to the length of your cable.
> 
> I purchased one to try to find a solution to my poor location for
> Minneapolis wifi after moving. I was able to get a spotty connection
> with this adapter and a high gain antenna. The one that comes with it
> is good, if omnidirectional is what you want. If you want a
> directional antenna you might look at one of these:
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/Alfa-2-4GHz-2-5GHz-High-Gain-Horizontal-Directional/dp/B004L0TKW4/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1314465814&sr=1-2
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> -Erik
> 
> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryanjcole at me.com> wrote:
>> Hey guys,
>> 
>> This isn't exactly Linux-related... but I am looking for a good car antennae (2.4 and/or 5 GHz) that I can connect to a Cardbus card (brand doesn't matter, plug doesn't really matter... I have a MMCX to female N-Connector cable that's about 3' long). I did just find a solution online that's a 2.4GHz with a 2m cable that is MMCX but I would prefer something longer, and also find something with 5.1-5.8 + 4.9GHz if anyone knows of one that's available.
>> 
>> This will do the job on 2.4GHz (the aforementioned antennae): http://www.data-alliance.net/-strse-7/Antenna-7dbi-Magnetic-Omni/Detail.bok As this page says, the antenna fits the Ubiquiti card - which is what I have on my Latitude.
>> 
>> While it would be cool to war drive with it this is for my job.
>> 
>> Also, if there's someone here that has experience making mounts, I'm interested in trying to get my omni-directional antennae to clip on to my Latitude, too.
>> 
>> Any help you guys can be would be most beneficial. Thankfully I can expense most of these things (within reason).
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ryan
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer
> erik.mitchell at gmail.com
> erik at ekmitchell.com
> http://ekmitchell.com/
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From ryanjcole at me.com  Sat Aug 27 12:35:24 2011
From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 12:35:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Car WiFi Antenna
In-Reply-To: <E1E35014-05F8-4B9A-9523-D10B351FF7CD@me.com>
References: <E4803638-B646-4EF6-8DC6-EF8028292458@me.com>
	<CANNReEE9HZopxzMOi1zwyP3rt11e4GJ1uEywvyHjdLniS3wnuw@mail.gmail.com>
	<E1E35014-05F8-4B9A-9523-D10B351FF7CD@me.com>
Message-ID: <9D6B5227-81B2-43D0-9D1C-95706E69F55C@me.com>

I just saw that it's a USB device... I need to connect to an existing card that utilizes MMCX... Not sure how I'd do that with this.

I have a MaxRad 800MHz antennae that, if I can find a 2.4GHz piece to mount to it (PL259 connector) then I'd be set - it's already magnetic and comes with a 3m cord.

I'd LOVE  to find two of those, one 2.4 and the other 4.9/5 or just 5. 

On Aug 27, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote:

> Erik,
> 
> Thanks. I think for wireless analytics - it's primary use (in fact I'd say it's use 99% of the time) - I can get away with that.
> 
> I'll check it out. The APs I'd be connecting to after we do the install will be 400mW so this might be acceptable.
> 
> --
> Ryan
> On Aug 27, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote:
> 
>> Ryan,
>> Check out this:
>> 
>> http://www.amazon.com/Alfa-802-11b-Wireless-Original-9dBi/dp/B001O9X9EU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314465547&sr=8-1
>> 
>> afaik, it's currently the most appealing option for wardriving. The
>> device is able to crank up its tx power to 1000 mW when you tell it
>> it's in Bolivia (not that you'd ever consider violating FCC
>> regulations).
>> 
>> One nice thing is the cable you end up using is USB, so you don't get
>> signal loss depending on the length. If you were to have your adapter
>> at your computer, and a coax cable to your antenna, you'd get signal
>> loss requisite to the length of your cable.
>> 
>> I purchased one to try to find a solution to my poor location for
>> Minneapolis wifi after moving. I was able to get a spotty connection
>> with this adapter and a high gain antenna. The one that comes with it
>> is good, if omnidirectional is what you want. If you want a
>> directional antenna you might look at one of these:
>> 
>> http://www.amazon.com/Alfa-2-4GHz-2-5GHz-High-Gain-Horizontal-Directional/dp/B004L0TKW4/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1314465814&sr=1-2
>> 
>> Good luck!
>> 
>> -Erik
>> 
>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryanjcole at me.com> wrote:
>>> Hey guys,
>>> 
>>> This isn't exactly Linux-related... but I am looking for a good car antennae (2.4 and/or 5 GHz) that I can connect to a Cardbus card (brand doesn't matter, plug doesn't really matter... I have a MMCX to female N-Connector cable that's about 3' long). I did just find a solution online that's a 2.4GHz with a 2m cable that is MMCX but I would prefer something longer, and also find something with 5.1-5.8 + 4.9GHz if anyone knows of one that's available.
>>> 
>>> This will do the job on 2.4GHz (the aforementioned antennae): http://www.data-alliance.net/-strse-7/Antenna-7dbi-Magnetic-Omni/Detail.bok As this page says, the antenna fits the Ubiquiti card - which is what I have on my Latitude.
>>> 
>>> While it would be cool to war drive with it this is for my job.
>>> 
>>> Also, if there's someone here that has experience making mounts, I'm interested in trying to get my omni-directional antennae to clip on to my Latitude, too.
>>> 
>>> Any help you guys can be would be most beneficial. Thankfully I can expense most of these things (within reason).
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ryan
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer
>> erik.mitchell at gmail.com
>> erik at ekmitchell.com
>> http://ekmitchell.com/
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From ryanjcole at me.com  Sat Aug 27 12:39:20 2011
From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 12:39:20 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Car WiFi Antenna
In-Reply-To: <9D6B5227-81B2-43D0-9D1C-95706E69F55C@me.com>
References: <E4803638-B646-4EF6-8DC6-EF8028292458@me.com>
	<CANNReEE9HZopxzMOi1zwyP3rt11e4GJ1uEywvyHjdLniS3wnuw@mail.gmail.com>
	<E1E35014-05F8-4B9A-9523-D10B351FF7CD@me.com>
	<9D6B5227-81B2-43D0-9D1C-95706E69F55C@me.com>
Message-ID: <2D23DD39-1299-41A4-8998-95B7B74A8621@me.com>

Nix the PL259 part... I misread the spec from MaxRad. And it turns out - while I have no documentation on what it is I have - that these don't support much higher than 2GHz anyway. They are commonly used for mobile phone/GPS boosting. Bummer.


On Aug 27, 2011, at 12:35 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote:

> I just saw that it's a USB device... I need to connect to an existing card that utilizes MMCX... Not sure how I'd do that with this.
> 
> I have a MaxRad 800MHz antennae that, if I can find a 2.4GHz piece to mount to it (PL259 connector) then I'd be set - it's already magnetic and comes with a 3m cord.
> 
> I'd LOVE  to find two of those, one 2.4 and the other 4.9/5 or just 5. 
> 
> On Aug 27, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> 
>> Erik,
>> 
>> Thanks. I think for wireless analytics - it's primary use (in fact I'd say it's use 99% of the time) - I can get away with that.
>> 
>> I'll check it out. The APs I'd be connecting to after we do the install will be 400mW so this might be acceptable.
>> 
>> --
>> Ryan
>> On Aug 27, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote:
>> 
>>> Ryan,
>>> Check out this:
>>> 
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Alfa-802-11b-Wireless-Original-9dBi/dp/B001O9X9EU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314465547&sr=8-1
>>> 
>>> afaik, it's currently the most appealing option for wardriving. The
>>> device is able to crank up its tx power to 1000 mW when you tell it
>>> it's in Bolivia (not that you'd ever consider violating FCC
>>> regulations).
>>> 
>>> One nice thing is the cable you end up using is USB, so you don't get
>>> signal loss depending on the length. If you were to have your adapter
>>> at your computer, and a coax cable to your antenna, you'd get signal
>>> loss requisite to the length of your cable.
>>> 
>>> I purchased one to try to find a solution to my poor location for
>>> Minneapolis wifi after moving. I was able to get a spotty connection
>>> with this adapter and a high gain antenna. The one that comes with it
>>> is good, if omnidirectional is what you want. If you want a
>>> directional antenna you might look at one of these:
>>> 
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Alfa-2-4GHz-2-5GHz-High-Gain-Horizontal-Directional/dp/B004L0TKW4/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1314465814&sr=1-2
>>> 
>>> Good luck!
>>> 
>>> -Erik
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryanjcole at me.com> wrote:
>>>> Hey guys,
>>>> 
>>>> This isn't exactly Linux-related... but I am looking for a good car antennae (2.4 and/or 5 GHz) that I can connect to a Cardbus card (brand doesn't matter, plug doesn't really matter... I have a MMCX to female N-Connector cable that's about 3' long). I did just find a solution online that's a 2.4GHz with a 2m cable that is MMCX but I would prefer something longer, and also find something with 5.1-5.8 + 4.9GHz if anyone knows of one that's available.
>>>> 
>>>> This will do the job on 2.4GHz (the aforementioned antennae): http://www.data-alliance.net/-strse-7/Antenna-7dbi-Magnetic-Omni/Detail.bok As this page says, the antenna fits the Ubiquiti card - which is what I have on my Latitude.
>>>> 
>>>> While it would be cool to war drive with it this is for my job.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, if there's someone here that has experience making mounts, I'm interested in trying to get my omni-directional antennae to clip on to my Latitude, too.
>>>> 
>>>> Any help you guys can be would be most beneficial. Thankfully I can expense most of these things (within reason).
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Ryan
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer
>>> erik.mitchell at gmail.com
>>> erik at ekmitchell.com
>>> http://ekmitchell.com/
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Sat Aug 27 16:59:24 2011
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 16:59:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] rhel6 smart?
Message-ID: <201108272159.p7RLxOcj010643@okra.fo4.net>

any smart (the package manager) users lurking here?  is it receding into oblivion?  i can't find a rhel6 version of it.  there seems to be one in at-stable but it requires python-2.3, should be python-2.6.

any other rpm manager able to define and use "repositories" that are merely simple local directories?
tia,
-g

From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Sat Aug 27 17:48:33 2011
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 17:48:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] monitor memory et al
Message-ID: <201108272248.p7RMmXkq010911@okra.fo4.net>

got nagios.  want history/graphs.  a bit of googling brings up zabbix, splunk, nagiosgraph, nagios exchange, all new to me.  any testamonials/warnings/recommendations?
tia,
-g

From cncole at earthlink.net  Sat Aug 27 19:10:29 2011
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 19:10:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Car WiFi Antenna
In-Reply-To: <9D6B5227-81B2-43D0-9D1C-95706E69F55C@me.com>
Message-ID: <KBELLBDJKGDCAHIDFNLLIEELDGAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman
> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 12:35 PM
> To: TCLUG Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Car WiFi Antenna
>
>
> I just saw that it's a USB device... I need to connect to an existing card that utilizes MMCX... Not sure how I'd do that
> with this.

Connector adapters are not hard to find.  Direct fit magnetic mount omnis are cheap.  I have many adapters for various WiFi (and
other) things, but have settled on using the Alfa WiFi adapter and connecting to that.

I use the external USB-connected Alfa unit whenever I want better power or to use external antennas.  No big deal to select my
internal card or the external one.  I have adapters so I could use my internal mini-PCI cards or std PCI cards in desktops, but
using the Alfa is so good and so convenient that I sold my other adapters for laptops.

I think it's best not attach to the laptop because of breakage potential and poor RF signal conditions.  I prefer to have the
antenna on a cable that allows better placement such as on a bookcase, or filecabinet, etc, even when "just visiting".


I have some WiFi and cell antennas I should sell.  Some simple stuff, some omnis, some dual band, and some high gain panels off
towers.  Will post an ad ASAP.  800MHz to the 2.4 GHz bands

Chuck


>
> I have a MaxRad 800MHz antennae that, if I can find a 2.4GHz piece to mount to it (PL259 connector) then I'd be set -
> it's already magnetic and comes with a 3m cord.
>
> I'd LOVE  to find two of those, one 2.4 and the other 4.9/5 or just 5.
>
> On Aug 27, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>
> > Erik,
> >
> > Thanks. I think for wireless analytics - it's primary use (in fact I'd say it's use 99% of the time) - I can get away with that.
> >
> > I'll check it out. The APs I'd be connecting to after we do the install will be 400mW so this might be acceptable.
> >
> > --
> > Ryan
> > On Aug 27, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote:
> >
> >> Ryan,
> >> Check out this:
> >>
> >> http://www.amazon.com/Alfa-802-11b-Wireless-Original-9dBi/dp/B001O9X9EU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314465547&sr=8-1
> >>
> >> afaik, it's currently the most appealing option for wardriving. The
> >> device is able to crank up its tx power to 1000 mW when you tell it
> >> it's in Bolivia (not that you'd ever consider violating FCC
> >> regulations).
> >>
> >> One nice thing is the cable you end up using is USB, so you don't get
> >> signal loss depending on the length. If you were to have your adapter
> >> at your computer, and a coax cable to your antenna, you'd get signal
> >> loss requisite to the length of your cable.
> >>
> >> I purchased one to try to find a solution to my poor location for
> >> Minneapolis wifi after moving. I was able to get a spotty connection
> >> with this adapter and a high gain antenna. The one that comes with it
> >> is good, if omnidirectional is what you want. If you want a
> >> directional antenna you might look at one of these:
> >>
> >>
> http://www.amazon.com/Alfa-2-4GHz-2-5GHz-High-Gain-Horizontal-Directional/dp/B004L0TKW4/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&q
> id=1314465814&sr=1-2
> >>
> >> Good luck!
> >>
> >> -Erik
> >>
> >> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryanjcole at me.com> wrote:
> >>> Hey guys,
> >>>
> >>> This isn't exactly Linux-related... but I am looking for a good car antennae (2.4 and/or 5 GHz) that I can connect to
> a Cardbus card (brand doesn't matter, plug doesn't really matter... I have a MMCX to female N-Connector cable that's
> about 3' long). I did just find a solution online that's a 2.4GHz with a 2m cable that is MMCX but I would prefer
> something longer, and also find something with 5.1-5.8 + 4.9GHz if anyone knows of one that's available.
> >>>
> >>> This will do the job on 2.4GHz (the aforementioned antennae):
> http://www.data-alliance.net/-strse-7/Antenna-7dbi-Magnetic-Omni/Detail.bok As this page says, the antenna fits the
> Ubiquiti card - which is what I have on my Latitude.
> >>>
> >>> While it would be cool to war drive with it this is for my job.
> >>>
> >>> Also, if there's someone here that has experience making mounts, I'm interested in trying to get my omni-directional
> antennae to clip on to my Latitude, too.
> >>>
> >>> Any help you guys can be would be most beneficial. Thankfully I can expense most of these things (within reason).
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Ryan


From max at bernsteinforpresident.com  Sat Aug 27 18:32:19 2011
From: max at bernsteinforpresident.com (Max Shinn)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:32:19 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] More free junk
Message-ID: <201108271832.20167.max@bernsteinforpresident.com>

Seeing as this model worked fairly well when John tried it, if anyone is interested in any of this stuff, let me know!

- A P4 desktop with 1gb ram (or 1.5?). The motherboard is fried, though.
- A Compaq desktop from 2001 or so. I don't remember if it turns on or not.
- An old P2 tower from the middle 90's
- A few hard drives varying in size from 10gb to 40gb.
- Tons of old Apple mice.
- Tons of sound cards (with serial midi ports!)
- A tape drive and plenty of tapes

For scrap, I also have a dead LCD monitor (the screen itself is still functional last time I checked), an old power supply, a webcam with no drivers available, and a bunch of random cables.

Let me know if you want any more info!
-- 
Max Shinn
max at BernsteinForPresident.com
www.BernsteinForPresident.com 

"To have the choice between proprietary software packages, is being able to choose your master. Freedom means not having a master. And in the area of computing, freedom means not using proprietary software."
      -Richard Stallman

From ryanjcole at me.com  Sat Aug 27 21:24:53 2011
From: ryanjcole at me.com (ryanjcole at me.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 02:24:53 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] More free junk
In-Reply-To: <201108271832.20167.max@bernsteinforpresident.com>
References: <201108271832.20167.max@bernsteinforpresident.com>
Message-ID: <732292302-1314498295-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1307597028-@b28.c12.bise6.blackberry>

Mice: adb or usb?
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
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Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:32:19 
To: TCLUG Mailing List<tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
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Subject: [tclug-list] More free junk

Seeing as this model worked fairly well when John tried it, if anyone is interested in any of this stuff, let me know!

- A P4 desktop with 1gb ram (or 1.5?). The motherboard is fried, though.
- A Compaq desktop from 2001 or so. I don't remember if it turns on or not.
- An old P2 tower from the middle 90's
- A few hard drives varying in size from 10gb to 40gb.
- Tons of old Apple mice.
- Tons of sound cards (with serial midi ports!)
- A tape drive and plenty of tapes

For scrap, I also have a dead LCD monitor (the screen itself is still functional last time I checked), an old power supply, a webcam with no drivers available, and a bunch of random cables.

Let me know if you want any more info!
-- 
Max Shinn
max at BernsteinForPresident.com
www.BernsteinForPresident.com 

"To have the choice between proprietary software packages, is being able to choose your master. Freedom means not having a master. And in the area of computing, freedom means not using proprietary software."
      -Richard Stallman
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From j at packetgod.com  Sat Aug 27 21:18:34 2011
From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 21:18:34 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Car WiFi Antenna
In-Reply-To: <KBELLBDJKGDCAHIDFNLLIEELDGAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
References: <9D6B5227-81B2-43D0-9D1C-95706E69F55C@me.com>
	<KBELLBDJKGDCAHIDFNLLIEELDGAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CADr-737SpxQBhs3Qp9hTgFnC1sok-im+RV1XFfngBLeeBoT+0A@mail.gmail.com>

i do a bit of wireless fun from time to time and i swear by these
guys: http://www.wlanparts.com/

you want this section:
http://www.wlanparts.com/category/wlan.antennas_mobile/ but the rest
of the site has great stuff too.

-j

ps: written with onboard virtual keyboard on my buntu touchpad deal -
plz excuse the suck

On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
>> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman
>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 12:35 PM
>> To: TCLUG Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Car WiFi Antenna
>>
>>
>> I just saw that it's a USB device... I need to connect to an existing card that utilizes MMCX... Not sure how I'd do that
>> with this.
>
> Connector adapters are not hard to find. ?Direct fit magnetic mount omnis are cheap. ?I have many adapters for various WiFi (and
> other) things, but have settled on using the Alfa WiFi adapter and connecting to that.
>
> I use the external USB-connected Alfa unit whenever I want better power or to use external antennas. ?No big deal to select my
> internal card or the external one. ?I have adapters so I could use my internal mini-PCI cards or std PCI cards in desktops, but
> using the Alfa is so good and so convenient that I sold my other adapters for laptops.
>
> I think it's best not attach to the laptop because of breakage potential and poor RF signal conditions. ?I prefer to have the
> antenna on a cable that allows better placement such as on a bookcase, or filecabinet, etc, even when "just visiting".
>
>
> I have some WiFi and cell antennas I should sell. ?Some simple stuff, some omnis, some dual band, and some high gain panels off
> towers. ?Will post an ad ASAP. ?800MHz to the 2.4 GHz bands
>
> Chuck
>
>
>>
>> I have a MaxRad 800MHz antennae that, if I can find a 2.4GHz piece to mount to it (PL259 connector) then I'd be set -
>> it's already magnetic and comes with a 3m cord.
>>
>> I'd LOVE ?to find two of those, one 2.4 and the other 4.9/5 or just 5.
>>
>> On Aug 27, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>>
>> > Erik,
>> >
>> > Thanks. I think for wireless analytics - it's primary use (in fact I'd say it's use 99% of the time) - I can get away with that.
>> >
>> > I'll check it out. The APs I'd be connecting to after we do the install will be 400mW so this might be acceptable.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Ryan
>> > On Aug 27, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote:
>> >
>> >> Ryan,
>> >> Check out this:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.amazon.com/Alfa-802-11b-Wireless-Original-9dBi/dp/B001O9X9EU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314465547&sr=8-1
>> >>
>> >> afaik, it's currently the most appealing option for wardriving. The
>> >> device is able to crank up its tx power to 1000 mW when you tell it
>> >> it's in Bolivia (not that you'd ever consider violating FCC
>> >> regulations).
>> >>
>> >> One nice thing is the cable you end up using is USB, so you don't get
>> >> signal loss depending on the length. If you were to have your adapter
>> >> at your computer, and a coax cable to your antenna, you'd get signal
>> >> loss requisite to the length of your cable.
>> >>
>> >> I purchased one to try to find a solution to my poor location for
>> >> Minneapolis wifi after moving. I was able to get a spotty connection
>> >> with this adapter and a high gain antenna. The one that comes with it
>> >> is good, if omnidirectional is what you want. If you want a
>> >> directional antenna you might look at one of these:
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Alfa-2-4GHz-2-5GHz-High-Gain-Horizontal-Directional/dp/B004L0TKW4/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&q
>> id=1314465814&sr=1-2
>> >>
>> >> Good luck!
>> >>
>> >> -Erik
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryanjcole at me.com> wrote:
>> >>> Hey guys,
>> >>>
>> >>> This isn't exactly Linux-related... but I am looking for a good car antennae (2.4 and/or 5 GHz) that I can connect to
>> a Cardbus card (brand doesn't matter, plug doesn't really matter... I have a MMCX to female N-Connector cable that's
>> about 3' long). I did just find a solution online that's a 2.4GHz with a 2m cable that is MMCX but I would prefer
>> something longer, and also find something with 5.1-5.8 + 4.9GHz if anyone knows of one that's available.
>> >>>
>> >>> This will do the job on 2.4GHz (the aforementioned antennae):
>> http://www.data-alliance.net/-strse-7/Antenna-7dbi-Magnetic-Omni/Detail.bok As this page says, the antenna fits the
>> Ubiquiti card - which is what I have on my Latitude.
>> >>>
>> >>> While it would be cool to war drive with it this is for my job.
>> >>>
>> >>> Also, if there's someone here that has experience making mounts, I'm interested in trying to get my omni-directional
>> antennae to clip on to my Latitude, too.
>> >>>
>> >>> Any help you guys can be would be most beneficial. Thankfully I can expense most of these things (within reason).
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>> Ryan
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From ryanjcole at me.com  Sat Aug 27 21:30:19 2011
From: ryanjcole at me.com (ryanjcole at me.com)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 02:30:19 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Car WiFi Antenna
In-Reply-To: <CADr-737SpxQBhs3Qp9hTgFnC1sok-im+RV1XFfngBLeeBoT+0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9D6B5227-81B2-43D0-9D1C-95706E69F55C@me.com><KBELLBDJKGDCAHIDFNLLIEELDGAA.cncole@earthlink.net><CADr-737SpxQBhs3Qp9hTgFnC1sok-im+RV1XFfngBLeeBoT+0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1358260680-1314498620-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1096606487-@b28.c12.bise6.blackberry>

Thank you!!! Quick glance says their selection rocks. 
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: J Cruit <j at packetgod.com>
Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 21:18:34 
To: TCLUG Mailing List<tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Reply-to: j at packetgod.com, TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Car WiFi Antenna

i do a bit of wireless fun from time to time and i swear by these
guys: http://www.wlanparts.com/

you want this section:
http://www.wlanparts.com/category/wlan.antennas_mobile/ but the rest
of the site has great stuff too.

-j

ps: written with onboard virtual keyboard on my buntu touchpad deal -
plz excuse the suck

On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
>> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman
>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 12:35 PM
>> To: TCLUG Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Car WiFi Antenna
>>
>>
>> I just saw that it's a USB device... I need to connect to an existing card that utilizes MMCX... Not sure how I'd do that
>> with this.
>
> Connector adapters are not hard to find. ?Direct fit magnetic mount omnis are cheap. ?I have many adapters for various WiFi (and
> other) things, but have settled on using the Alfa WiFi adapter and connecting to that.
>
> I use the external USB-connected Alfa unit whenever I want better power or to use external antennas. ?No big deal to select my
> internal card or the external one. ?I have adapters so I could use my internal mini-PCI cards or std PCI cards in desktops, but
> using the Alfa is so good and so convenient that I sold my other adapters for laptops.
>
> I think it's best not attach to the laptop because of breakage potential and poor RF signal conditions. ?I prefer to have the
> antenna on a cable that allows better placement such as on a bookcase, or filecabinet, etc, even when "just visiting".
>
>
> I have some WiFi and cell antennas I should sell. ?Some simple stuff, some omnis, some dual band, and some high gain panels off
> towers. ?Will post an ad ASAP. ?800MHz to the 2.4 GHz bands
>
> Chuck
>
>
>>
>> I have a MaxRad 800MHz antennae that, if I can find a 2.4GHz piece to mount to it (PL259 connector) then I'd be set -
>> it's already magnetic and comes with a 3m cord.
>>
>> I'd LOVE ?to find two of those, one 2.4 and the other 4.9/5 or just 5.
>>
>> On Aug 27, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>>
>> > Erik,
>> >
>> > Thanks. I think for wireless analytics - it's primary use (in fact I'd say it's use 99% of the time) - I can get away with that.
>> >
>> > I'll check it out. The APs I'd be connecting to after we do the install will be 400mW so this might be acceptable.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Ryan
>> > On Aug 27, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote:
>> >
>> >> Ryan,
>> >> Check out this:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.amazon.com/Alfa-802-11b-Wireless-Original-9dBi/dp/B001O9X9EU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314465547&sr=8-1
>> >>
>> >> afaik, it's currently the most appealing option for wardriving. The
>> >> device is able to crank up its tx power to 1000 mW when you tell it
>> >> it's in Bolivia (not that you'd ever consider violating FCC
>> >> regulations).
>> >>
>> >> One nice thing is the cable you end up using is USB, so you don't get
>> >> signal loss depending on the length. If you were to have your adapter
>> >> at your computer, and a coax cable to your antenna, you'd get signal
>> >> loss requisite to the length of your cable.
>> >>
>> >> I purchased one to try to find a solution to my poor location for
>> >> Minneapolis wifi after moving. I was able to get a spotty connection
>> >> with this adapter and a high gain antenna. The one that comes with it
>> >> is good, if omnidirectional is what you want. If you want a
>> >> directional antenna you might look at one of these:
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Alfa-2-4GHz-2-5GHz-High-Gain-Horizontal-Directional/dp/B004L0TKW4/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&q
>> id=1314465814&sr=1-2
>> >>
>> >> Good luck!
>> >>
>> >> -Erik
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryanjcole at me.com> wrote:
>> >>> Hey guys,
>> >>>
>> >>> This isn't exactly Linux-related... but I am looking for a good car antennae (2.4 and/or 5 GHz) that I can connect to
>> a Cardbus card (brand doesn't matter, plug doesn't really matter... I have a MMCX to female N-Connector cable that's
>> about 3' long). I did just find a solution online that's a 2.4GHz with a 2m cable that is MMCX but I would prefer
>> something longer, and also find something with 5.1-5.8 + 4.9GHz if anyone knows of one that's available.
>> >>>
>> >>> This will do the job on 2.4GHz (the aforementioned antennae):
>> http://www.data-alliance.net/-strse-7/Antenna-7dbi-Magnetic-Omni/Detail.bok As this page says, the antenna fits the
>> Ubiquiti card - which is what I have on my Latitude.
>> >>>
>> >>> While it would be cool to war drive with it this is for my job.
>> >>>
>> >>> Also, if there's someone here that has experience making mounts, I'm interested in trying to get my omni-directional
>> antennae to clip on to my Latitude, too.
>> >>>
>> >>> Any help you guys can be would be most beneficial. Thankfully I can expense most of these things (within reason).
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>> Ryan
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
_______________________________________________
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tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From max at bernsteinforpresident.com  Sat Aug 27 21:47:50 2011
From: max at bernsteinforpresident.com (Max Shinn)
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 21:47:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] More free junk
In-Reply-To: <732292302-1314498295-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1307597028-@b28.c12.bise6.blackberry>
References: <201108271832.20167.max@bernsteinforpresident.com>
	<732292302-1314498295-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1307597028-@b28.c12.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <201108272147.51291.max@bernsteinforpresident.com>

They're adb.
-- 
Max Shinn
max at BernsteinForPresident.com
www.BernsteinForPresident.com 

"Young man, put your pride on the shelf!"
      -Village People

On Saturday, August 27, 2011 09:24:53 pm ryanjcole at me.com wrote:
> Mice: adb or usb?
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Max Shinn <max at bernsteinforpresident.com>
> Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 18:32:19 
> To: TCLUG Mailing List<tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Reply-to: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: [tclug-list] More free junk
> 
> Seeing as this model worked fairly well when John tried it, if anyone is interested in any of this stuff, let me know!
> 
> - A P4 desktop with 1gb ram (or 1.5?). The motherboard is fried, though.
> - A Compaq desktop from 2001 or so. I don't remember if it turns on or not.
> - An old P2 tower from the middle 90's
> - A few hard drives varying in size from 10gb to 40gb.
> - Tons of old Apple mice.
> - Tons of sound cards (with serial midi ports!)
> - A tape drive and plenty of tapes
> 
> For scrap, I also have a dead LCD monitor (the screen itself is still functional last time I checked), an old power supply, a webcam with no drivers available, and a bunch of random cables.
> 
> Let me know if you want any more info!
> 

From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Sun Aug 28 11:57:46 2011
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 11:57:46 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] More free junk
In-Reply-To: <201108271832.20167.max@bernsteinforpresident.com>
References: <201108271832.20167.max@bernsteinforpresident.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9BS_YUQT4JCt5GCQT2spL8vSnF-xfaMvpsosZMj9BsNag@mail.gmail.com>

fwiw PCs for people
(addr/map/phone<http://maps.google.com/maps?q=pcs+for+people&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ei=bXiGTL2oNIL3nAfd1cWlAQ&sqi=2&ved=0CAwQ_AU&ll=44.949826,-93.162024&spn=0.007107,0.01929&z=16&iwloc=A>)
accepts working CRTs and everything else working or not (between 10am-5:30pm
Monday-Thursday), they reuse where reasonable and do a proper job of
recycling otherwise.
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From kc8son at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 29 08:56:42 2011
From: kc8son at yahoo.com (KC8SON)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 06:56:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tclug-list]  Car WiFi Antenna
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1314464401.7589.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
References: <mailman.1.1314464401.7589.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <1314626202.17154.YahooMailNeo@web161019.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hey Ryan,

There's a ham radio store in Mounds View.? you should be able to find a trunk-mount for your antenna there.? They basically have two screws that grip the edge of your trunk or door with a pad to protect the finish.? Here's the web site for the store: http://www.radioinc.com/? (Radio City).

HTH

Joe

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Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 11:59:18 -0500
From: Ryan Coleman <ryanjcole at me.com>
To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] Car WiFi Antenna
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Hey guys,

This isn't exactly Linux-related... but I am looking for a good car antennae (2.4 and/or 5 GHz) that I can connect to a Cardbus card (brand doesn't matter, plug doesn't really matter... I have a MMCX to female N-Connector cable that's about 3' long). I did just find a solution online that's a 2.4GHz with a 2m cable that is MMCX but I would prefer something longer, and also find something with 5.1-5.8 + 4.9GHz if anyone knows of one that's available.

This will do the job on 2.4GHz (the aforementioned antennae): http://www.data-alliance.net/-strse-7/Antenna-7dbi-Magnetic-Omni/Detail.bok As this page says, the antenna fits the Ubiquiti card - which is what I have on my Latitude.

While it would be cool to war drive with it this is for my job. 

Also, if there's someone here that has experience making mounts, I'm interested in trying to get my omni-directional antennae to clip on to my Latitude, too.

Any help you guys can be would be most beneficial. Thankfully I can expense most of these things (within reason).

Thanks,
Ryan


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From erickson.michael at gmail.com  Mon Aug 29 14:39:44 2011
From: erickson.michael at gmail.com (Michael Erickson)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:39:44 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Puppet, Chef, et al.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1314378001.14348.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
References: <mailman.3.1314378001.14348.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <214F7A7D-CFBE-4C01-8F96-6E42690ACB3D@gmail.com>

Hi folks,

First I should probably do a quick introduction.  I'm Mike Erickson and I've been a subscriber to the list for some time, but this is my first post.  I'm running a small startup in Minneapolis where we are building web services using Semantic Web technologies for specific vertical markets (currently semiconductors).  Before this, I spent about a decade doing Embedded Software.  I just saw the post about Puppet and Chef and found it interesting because I've been looking into various server configuration management tools.

Our system runs in Rackspace's cloud using Debian images.  All of our software is written in Python (my own personal habit) using Django as our web framework.  I automatically deploy our software to new server instances using 'fabric'.  Technically I could probably do just about everything I need using 'fabric' or 'fanout' or other similar tools.  However, I like to keep things organized and certain aspects of configuring a newly provisioned server, be it front-end or back-end, really don't belong in 'fabric' scripts.  Thus, I started looking for a proper tool managing server configuration.

From my research it appears that Cfengine is the "grandfather" of configuration management tools.  Then there are some of the "upstarts" such as Bcfg2, Puppet, Chef, and others.

I *really* want to like Bcfg2 as I believe it has some unique and technically superior things going for it.  Unfortunately its documentation is just horrid.  I spent a day with it and may give it another day...but the available docs make it almost impossible (at least for me) to get anywhere fast.  The people on their IRC channel are helpful, but I have a hard time committing to a tool built by a community that can't take the time to write a decent manual.  

I started looking at Cfengine just before I left for 10-days in Africa, and will be checking that out some more now that I'm home.

Does anyone on the list have any thoughts regarding any of these tools?  What have you used in the past?  What do you like/hate about something you have used or are using?

Cheers,
--mike

From canito at dalan.us  Mon Aug 29 15:43:08 2011
From: canito at dalan.us (David Alanis)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 15:43:08 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Puppet, Chef, et al.
In-Reply-To: <214F7A7D-CFBE-4C01-8F96-6E42690ACB3D@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.3.1314378001.14348.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<214F7A7D-CFBE-4C01-8F96-6E42690ACB3D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110829154308.50lao6so3g08888o@mail.dalan.us>

Quoting Michael Erickson <erickson.michael at gmail.com>:

> Hi folks,
>
> First I should probably do a quick introduction.  I'm Mike Erickson   
> and I've been a subscriber to the list for some time, but this is my  
>  first post.  I'm running a small startup in Minneapolis where we  
> are  building web services using Semantic Web technologies for  
> specific  vertical markets (currently semiconductors).  Before this,  
> I spent  about a decade doing Embedded Software.  I just saw the  
> post about  Puppet and Chef and found it interesting because I've  
> been looking  into various server configuration management tools.
>
> Our system runs in Rackspace's cloud using Debian images.  All of   
> our software is written in Python (my own personal habit) using   
> Django as our web framework.  I automatically deploy our software to  
>  new server instances using 'fabric'.  Technically I could probably   
> do just about everything I need using 'fabric' or 'fanout' or other   
> similar tools.  However, I like to keep things organized and certain  
>  aspects of configuring a newly provisioned server, be it front-end   
> or back-end, really don't belong in 'fabric' scripts.  Thus, I   
> started looking for a proper tool managing server configuration.
>
> From my research it appears that Cfengine is the "grandfather" of   
> configuration management tools.  Then there are some of the   
> "upstarts" such as Bcfg2, Puppet, Chef, and others.
>
> I *really* want to like Bcfg2 as I believe it has some unique and   
> technically superior things going for it.  Unfortunately its   
> documentation is just horrid.  I spent a day with it and may give it  
>  another day...but the available docs make it almost impossible (at   
> least for me) to get anywhere fast.  The people on their IRC channel  
>  are helpful, but I have a hard time committing to a tool built by a  
>  community that can't take the time to write a decent manual.
>
> I started looking at Cfengine just before I left for 10-days in   
> Africa, and will be checking that out some more now that I'm home.
>
> Does anyone on the list have any thoughts regarding any of these   
> tools?  What have you used in the past?  What do you like/hate about  
>  something you have used or are using?
>
> Cheers,
> --mike
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

Hi Mike-

I am also looking into a configuration management tool myself. Well  
actually, I've decided to go with Puppet since this tool seems to be  
what small and large companies are using, that I've had experience with.

Before deciding to go with Puppet myself, I did some on line research  
and from some of the feedback, Puppet seems to offer what companies  
are looking for. It is written in Ruby so you may be able to add to it  
as necessary. Although I am not that deep into it yet.

Considering that some tools lack well written documentation, I've had  
good success finding what I am looking for using Puppets on line  
documentation.

To make it easier for myself and plus considering that I like reading  
Technical material I purchased Puppet Pro from Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Puppet-James-Turnbull/dp/1430230576

In short, I would also be interested in hearing others peoples opinion  
that have had experience with these tools.

Thanks-


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From brockn at gmail.com  Mon Aug 29 17:40:28 2011
From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 17:40:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Puppet, Chef, et al.
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I meet around 10 to 20 administrators of large hadoop clusters per month and
most of them that are using configuration management use puppet. Its simple
and works well.

Brock
On Aug 29, 2011 3:41 PM, "David Alanis" <canito at dalan.us> wrote:
> Quoting Michael Erickson <erickson.michael at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> First I should probably do a quick introduction. I'm Mike Erickson
>> and I've been a subscriber to the list for some time, but this is my
>> first post. I'm running a small startup in Minneapolis where we
>> are building web services using Semantic Web technologies for
>> specific vertical markets (currently semiconductors). Before this,
>> I spent about a decade doing Embedded Software. I just saw the
>> post about Puppet and Chef and found it interesting because I've
>> been looking into various server configuration management tools.
>>
>> Our system runs in Rackspace's cloud using Debian images. All of
>> our software is written in Python (my own personal habit) using
>> Django as our web framework. I automatically deploy our software to
>> new server instances using 'fabric'. Technically I could probably
>> do just about everything I need using 'fabric' or 'fanout' or other
>> similar tools. However, I like to keep things organized and certain
>> aspects of configuring a newly provisioned server, be it front-end
>> or back-end, really don't belong in 'fabric' scripts. Thus, I
>> started looking for a proper tool managing server configuration.
>>
>> From my research it appears that Cfengine is the "grandfather" of
>> configuration management tools. Then there are some of the
>> "upstarts" such as Bcfg2, Puppet, Chef, and others.
>>
>> I *really* want to like Bcfg2 as I believe it has some unique and
>> technically superior things going for it. Unfortunately its
>> documentation is just horrid. I spent a day with it and may give it
>> another day...but the available docs make it almost impossible (at
>> least for me) to get anywhere fast. The people on their IRC channel
>> are helpful, but I have a hard time committing to a tool built by a
>> community that can't take the time to write a decent manual.
>>
>> I started looking at Cfengine just before I left for 10-days in
>> Africa, and will be checking that out some more now that I'm home.
>>
>> Does anyone on the list have any thoughts regarding any of these
>> tools? What have you used in the past? What do you like/hate about
>> something you have used or are using?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> --mike
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>>
>
> Hi Mike-
>
> I am also looking into a configuration management tool myself. Well
> actually, I've decided to go with Puppet since this tool seems to be
> what small and large companies are using, that I've had experience with.
>
> Before deciding to go with Puppet myself, I did some on line research
> and from some of the feedback, Puppet seems to offer what companies
> are looking for. It is written in Ruby so you may be able to add to it
> as necessary. Although I am not that deep into it yet.
>
> Considering that some tools lack well written documentation, I've had
> good success finding what I am looking for using Puppets on line
> documentation.
>
> To make it easier for myself and plus considering that I like reading
> Technical material I purchased Puppet Pro from Amazon.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Pro-Puppet-James-Turnbull/dp/1430230576
>
> In short, I would also be interested in hearing others peoples opinion
> that have had experience with these tools.
>
> Thanks-
>
>
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From ryanjcole at me.com  Mon Aug 29 20:01:24 2011
From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:01:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Car WiFi Antenna
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Thanks. I'll look into the next time I'm in the office. I found a few online items but if I can buy it locally that's a lot better.

--
Ryan

On Aug 29, 2011, at 8:56 AM, KC8SON wrote:

> Hey Ryan,
> 
> There's a ham radio store in Mounds View.  you should be able to find a trunk-mount for your antenna there.  They basically have two screws that grip the edge of your trunk or door with a pad to protect the finish.  Here's the web site for the store: http://www.radioinc.com/  (Radio City).
> 
> HTH
> 
> Joe
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> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 11:59:18 -0500
> From: Ryan Coleman <ryanjcole at me.com>
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> Subject: [tclug-list] Car WiFi Antenna
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> Hey guys,
> 
> This isn't exactly Linux-related... but I am looking for a good car antennae (2.4 and/or 5 GHz) that I can connect to a Cardbus card (brand doesn't matter, plug doesn't really matter... I have a MMCX to female N-Connector cable that's about 3' long). I did just find a solution online that's a 2.4GHz with a 2m cable that is MMCX but I would prefer something longer, and also find something with 5.1-5.8 + 4.9GHz if anyone knows of one that's available.
> 
> This will do the job on 2.4GHz (the aforementioned antennae): http://www.data-alliance.net/-strse-7/Antenna-7dbi-Magnetic-Omni/Detail.bok As this page says, the antenna fits the Ubiquiti card - which is what I have on my Latitude.
> 
> While it would be cool to war drive with it this is for my job. 
> 
> Also, if there's someone here that has experience making mounts, I'm interested in trying to get my omni-directional antennae to clip on to my Latitude, too.
> 
> Any help you guys can be would be most beneficial. Thankfully I can expense most of these things (within reason).
> 
> Thanks,
> Ryan
> 
> 
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From random at argle.org  Tue Aug 30 07:06:20 2011
From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 07:06:20 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] port forwarding, iptables?
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Shorewall makes the process fairly easy. I use it a lot.

On 08/26/2011 03:52 PM, gregrwm wrote:
> i'd like to connect to localhost:5432 (in an openvz container) and end up connected to postgres in another container.
> i'm presuming (HN) iptables magic is best.  is that right?  other better/worthwhile ways?  favorite howto/howidid pointers?
> seems easy in concept, but twiddling iptables is a bit reminiscent of pandora..
> tia,
> -g
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From brockn at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 09:24:39 2011
From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 09:24:39 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Free Book @ Hadoop Meetup Tonight
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Free Copy of Hadoop: The Definitive Guide at the meetup

Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 6:00 PM

http://www.meetup.com/Twin-Cities-Hadoop-User-Group/events/28116971/

Brock