From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 07:47:06 2011 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 07:47:06 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Virtual Platform leads In-Reply-To: References: <69CA54C7-77CD-4179-B854-774F6804254D@me.com> <0000235794@penguinpackets.com> <4ED682AE.5030005@gmail.com> Message-ID: Gerry cried from the depths of the abyss... > Here's a +1 for the libvirt setup. > I can access it with vnc localhost so virt-manager is still really not > needed. > Certainly good enough for what I do on Windows but I can't speak to whether > I'd run a bunch of Windows servers on it. Forgive me, but I have not read through any of the documentation yet. Do you know if this type of setup will support RDP to the windows guests? Not a big deal if VNC works, just curious. All the Linux guests I will be installing don't have X/GUI's installed, so no worries their. Thanks! Bob From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Thu Dec 1 08:44:32 2011 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:44:32 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Virtual Platform leads In-Reply-To: References: <69CA54C7-77CD-4179-B854-774F6804254D@me.com> <0000235794@penguinpackets.com> <4ED682AE.5030005@gmail.com> Message-ID: > > Here's a +1 for the libvirt setup. >> > > I can access it with vnc localhost so virt-manager is still really not >> needed. >> Certainly good enough for what I do on Windows but I can't speak to >> whether I'd run a bunch of Windows servers on it. >> > > Forgive me, but I have not read through any of the documentation yet. Do > you know if this type of setup will support RDP to the windows guests? Not > a big deal if VNC works, just curious. All the Linux guests I will be > installing don't have X/GUI's installed, so no worries their. > by design virt-viewer, based on VNC but extended, shows you KVM virtual consoles. which i generally use just long enough to fix the virt-clone network glitches so i can connect via ssh. while not strictly necessary i've found virt-manager to be useful for it's handy column of CPU graphs and easy pause/resume/reboot access. also openvz is working very well for us (linux clients only). far lower overhead than KVM. the only theoretical concern is whether to trust the ongoing supply of openvz kernel updates. so far they (rhel6/openvz) seem rapid. if that becomes a concern i'll look into fedora/lxc (lxc ships crippled in rhel). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Thu Dec 1 09:13:41 2011 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (kelly) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 09:13:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Virtual Platform leads References: <69CA54C7-77CD-4179-B854-774F6804254D@me.com> <0000235794@penguinpackets.com> <4ED682AE.5030005@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0000236078@penguinpackets.com> ? > Thu Dec 01 2011 07:47:06 AM CST from "Mr. B-o-B" > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Virtual Platform leads > > > Forgive me, but I have not read through any of the documentation yet. Do > you know if this type of setup will support RDP to the windows guests? > Not a big deal if VNC works, just curious. All the Linux guests I will be > installing don't have X/GUI's installed, so no worries their. > > Thanks! > > Bob > > > > > > > > Bob, RDP works just fine. ?If you use bridged networking, the host can be a part of the local lan. ?By default, the host networking is via a local interface with dhcp served up by dnsmasq. 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ED80216.5030808@gmail.com> On 12/1/2011 4:03 PM, Ryan Coleman cried from the depths of the abyss: > I have a NetVanta 3430 (Gen 1) firewall/VPN in the office and I'm trying to open up FTP for our customers hardware to send backup configurations... > > Does anyone here have any experience with these devices that could help me out? I can get the FTP session to establish but I cannot seem to get the uploads to open up and start. I don't know anything about NetVanta, but I have had similar issues in the past with Cisco PIX & ASA units. Since you are able to make the FTP connection try doing your ftp in passive mode? That might work. Just a shot. From ryanjcole at me.com Thu Dec 1 20:42:27 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 20:42:27 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Any experience with NetVanta firewalls? In-Reply-To: <4ED80216.5030808@gmail.com> References: <4ED80216.5030808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8AC37ED1-FA5A-4ABE-B5A2-7A56245B385F@me.com> Neither passive nor active starts transfers in either direction. On Dec 1, 2011, at 4:39 PM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > On 12/1/2011 4:03 PM, Ryan Coleman cried from the depths of the abyss: >> I have a NetVanta 3430 (Gen 1) firewall/VPN in the office and I'm trying to open up FTP for our customers hardware to send backup configurations... >> >> Does anyone here have any experience with these devices that could help me out? I can get the FTP session to establish but I cannot seem to get the uploads to open up and start. > > I don't know anything about NetVanta, but I have had similar issues in the past with Cisco PIX & ASA units. Since you are able to make the FTP connection try doing your ftp in passive mode? That might work. Just a shot. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ron at ron-l-j.com Fri Dec 2 07:03:08 2011 From: ron at ron-l-j.com (ron at ron-l-j.com) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 06:03:08 -0700 Subject: [tclug-list] Android Desktop Linux ? Message-ID: <4bd5c96a1e4cd157e1e4e32379ef9a40.squirrel@www.ron-l-j.com> Android ,with the release of Ice Cream Sandwich source code, is being ported to x86. I would love to see how people will work to make a desktop android style for the keyboard and mouse interface. Do you think its a good option and maybe friendlier for new users that may already be familiar with its use on the smart phone? From matthew at lechleider.com Fri Dec 2 11:49:08 2011 From: matthew at lechleider.com (Matthew Lechleider) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 11:49:08 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] DrupalCamp Chicago 2011 is NEXT WEEKEND Message-ID: <4ED90F94.4080006@lechleider.com> DrupalCamp Chicago 2011 is NEXT WEEKEND! If your interesting in attending NOW is the time to register. Registration will close Wednesday December 7th. Saturday December 10th 9:00am-5:00pm Register - https://drupalcampchicago.org Cost - $40 SCHEDULE! https://drupalcampchicago.org/program/session-schedule -We are proud to announce our 2011 presentation schedule is confirmed and live on our website! Take a moment to check out the sessions, register a user, and sign up for sessions you plan to attend. Signing up for sessions will help reserve a seat and plan your day. AFTER PARTY! Proud to announce we have a private bar reserved all to ourselves 4:30pm-7:30pm for up to 200 camp attendees. More info soon :) Camp will take place at the UBS Tower Conference Center on second floor of One N Wacker Drive. Public transportation is recommend for this event. Venue is very close to Ogilvie and Unions Stations in downtown Chicago. -Map http://g.co/maps/qgc5f -Venue/Directions https://drupalcampchicago.org/about/directions Did you hear about the pre-camp training Duo Consulting is offering the day before camp with Doug Vann? Details @ https://drupalcampchicago.org/pre-camp-training Are you able to volunteer at camp? We need technical and non-technical volunteers to help everything run smoothly. Everything from registration desk to "AV club nerds" are needed. If you have video gear available to help with presentation recording, let us know! If your available, please contact us @ https://drupalcampchicago.org/volunteer Sponsorships are still available to make this event happen. If you can provide support, let us know @ https://drupalcampchicago.org/sponsorship From jus at krytosvirus.com Fri Dec 2 19:51:58 2011 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 19:51:58 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Any experience with NetVanta firewalls? In-Reply-To: <8AC37ED1-FA5A-4ABE-B5A2-7A56245B385F@me.com> References: <4ED80216.5030808@gmail.com> <8AC37ED1-FA5A-4ABE-B5A2-7A56245B385F@me.com> Message-ID: <1322877118.7306.158.camel@sysadmin3a> I don't know anything about NetVanta either but if both the FTP client and the FTP server is NAT'ed you'll need a smart firewall to be able to inspect the FTP commands and monitor the TCP port numbers. For a cool page that clearly describes the behavior between passive and active transfers and how NAT complicates life, check this out http://slacksite.com/other/ftp.html Excerpt from the end: A quick summary of the pros and cons of active vs. passive FTP is also in order: Active FTP is beneficial to the FTP server admin, but detrimental to the client side admin. The FTP server attempts to make connections to random high ports on the client, which would almost certainly be blocked by a firewall on the client side. Passive FTP is beneficial to the client, but detrimental to the FTP server admin. The client will make both connections to the server, but one of them will be to a random high port, which would almost certainly be blocked by a firewall on the server side. Luckily, there is somewhat of a compromise. Since admins running FTP servers will need to make their servers accessible to the greatest number of clients, they will almost certainly need to support passive FTP. The exposure of high level ports on the server can be minimized by specifying a limited port range for the FTP server to use. Thus, everything except for this range of ports can be firewalled on the server side. While this doesn't eliminate all risk to the server, it decreases it tremendously. On Thu, 2011-12-01 at 20:42 -0600, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Neither passive nor active starts transfers in either direction. > > > On Dec 1, 2011, at 4:39 PM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > From canito at dalan.us Sat Dec 3 16:47:37 2011 From: canito at dalan.us (David S Alanis) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 16:47:37 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Is there a better tool for running a traceroute? Message-ID: <4EDAA709.50906@dalan.us> I found a odd anomaly running the traceroute command on an old Red Hat 4 box. When you run traceroute -r -F ipaddress it works fine and if you run that command back to back, there is a 5 second delay in the reported result and it's worrisome. I asked a friend to run the same test in a completely different environment and he was able to replicate the delayed response from traceroute. I am thinking there must be a network tool that has implemented their own traceroute utility which won't have this weird behaviour? Although I will say that when I run traceroute -I (upper case i) to use ICMP instead of UDP the behaviour is not nearly as bad. And by the way, I was not aware that by default traceroute on Linux used high UDP ports which caught me by surprise seeing ICMP port unreachable messages in a network capture, running the default traceroute. Is that just how its always been? I tested traceroute on a separate OS than Linux and that traceroute used ICMP. So far I've tested hping and this may not work since (I can't verify) it only uses TCP for traceroutes. I also tried nmap, but it isn't installed by default on Red Hat so this won't work either. The other tool that I found to work and will need to probably look into further was mtr. Anybody here can recommend a better tool for the job? From canito at dalan.us Sat Dec 3 19:17:25 2011 From: canito at dalan.us (canito at dalan.us) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 19:17:25 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Is there a better tool for running a traceroute? Message-ID: <1322961445.2329@dalan.us> > So far I've tested hping and this may not work since (I can't verify) it > only uses TCP for traceroutes. I also tried nmap, but it isn't installed > by default on Red Hat so this won't work either. The other tool that I > found to work and will need to probably look into further was mtr. > I just tested mtr and it seems like a very useful network utility. I guess I just found the replacement for traceroute. From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Sun Dec 4 00:26:14 2011 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 00:26:14 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux distro Message-ID: <20111204002614.cfd0f5a7800b3aa50a2d242f@jasonhsu.com> What are your favorite multimedia apps (DVD/video player/ripper, audio/CD player/ripper, etc.) that are lightweight? I don't have any particular favorites, but that's because I don't use the multimedia apps that often, and I generally find all of the most popular apps acceptable to me. I'm trying to decide what to remove from Linux Mint Debian Edition and what to add in order to create Swift Linux. I've noticed that Linux distros tend to offer redundancy in their selection of multimedia apps. Even Puppy Linux and antiX Linux offer redundant multimedia apps. In Swift Linux, every MB counts. Not only am I trying to shrink the 1.1 GB ISO file of LMDE with GNOME to under 700 MB so it fits onto a CD, I want Swift Linux to continue to fit onto a CD for years to come. Thus, I need apps that are reasonably lightweight and have few or no dependencies. What do you think of XMMS? It's the ONLY multimedia player included with Damn Small Linux. ConnochaetOS comes with only GNOMEPlayer, SimpleBurn, and GTK Sound Mixer. I'd especially like to hear from those of you who also use lightweight distros. In addition to the lightweight distros I've mentioned here, what others should I try? A solution that works for other lightweight distros could work for Swift Linux. -- Jason Hsu Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux http://www.swiftlinux.org From nathan at paysonlinux.org Sun Dec 4 00:48:07 2011 From: nathan at paysonlinux.org (Nathan England) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 23:48:07 -0700 Subject: [tclug-list] Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux distro In-Reply-To: <20111204002614.cfd0f5a7800b3aa50a2d242f@jasonhsu.com> References: <20111204002614.cfd0f5a7800b3aa50a2d242f@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: <1969418.PzG5XQC0ld@thinkpad.nmecs.com> I have found it rather funny that in a world of increasing hard drive sizes, we are still working at making our storage footprint smaller. I could understand a little with the memory footprint, but I don't understand the storage foot print. Unless your intentions for a small distro is to "fit on the cd" rather take up a lot of hard drive space. Regardless, (DVD/video player/ripper, audio/CD player/ripper, etc.) I would have to request: mplayer for DVD/video player dvdbackup for dvd ripper cdda2wav for audio/cd player/ripper along with mplayer to play the ripped files. I realize mplayer has a lot of deps, but you get everything in the end. And it is far faster than xine. Or even aplay works well. Nathan On Sunday, December 04, 2011 00:26:14 Jason Hsu wrote: > What are your favorite multimedia apps (DVD/video player/ripper, audio/CD > player/ripper, etc.) that are lightweight? I don't have any particular > favorites, but that's because I don't use the multimedia apps that often, > and I generally find all of the most popular apps acceptable to me. I'm > trying to decide what to remove from Linux Mint Debian Edition and what to > add in order to create Swift Linux. > > I've noticed that Linux distros tend to offer redundancy in their selection > of multimedia apps. Even Puppy Linux and antiX Linux offer redundant > multimedia apps. In Swift Linux, every MB counts. Not only am I trying to > shrink the 1.1 GB ISO file of LMDE with GNOME to under 700 MB so it fits > onto a CD, I want Swift Linux to continue to fit onto a CD for years to > come. Thus, I need apps that are reasonably lightweight and have few or no > dependencies. > > What do you think of XMMS? It's the ONLY multimedia player included with > Damn Small Linux. ConnochaetOS comes with only GNOMEPlayer, SimpleBurn, > and GTK Sound Mixer. > > I'd especially like to hear from those of you who also use lightweight > distros. In addition to the lightweight distros I've mentioned here, what > others should I try? A solution that works for other lightweight distros > could work for Swift Linux. From cncole at earthlink.net Sun Dec 4 01:30:07 2011 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 01:30:07 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux distro In-Reply-To: <1969418.PzG5XQC0ld@thinkpad.nmecs.com> Message-ID: Jason is developing the distro for the Dick Tracy wrist computer. It will use the DataPlay 32mm diameter CD discs and a 1" diagonal 3-D screen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DataPlay Battery life is expected to be at least 15 minutes... maybe 2 full songs. The built-in speakers will be kinda wimpy tho :-) Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Nathan England > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 12:48 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux distro > > > I have found it rather funny that in a world of increasing hard drive sizes, > we are still working at making our storage footprint smaller. > I could understand a little with the memory footprint, but I don't understand > the storage foot print. Unless your intentions for a small distro is to "fit on > the cd" rather take up a lot of hard drive space. > > Regardless, > > (DVD/video player/ripper, audio/CD player/ripper, etc.) > I would have to request: > mplayer for DVD/video player > dvdbackup for dvd ripper > cdda2wav for audio/cd player/ripper along with mplayer to play the ripped > files. I realize mplayer has a lot of deps, but you get everything in the end. > And it is far faster than xine. > Or even aplay works well. > > Nathan > > On Sunday, December 04, 2011 00:26:14 Jason Hsu wrote: > > What are your favorite multimedia apps (DVD/video player/ripper, audio/CD > > player/ripper, etc.) that are lightweight? I don't have any particular > > favorites, but that's because I don't use the multimedia apps that often, > > and I generally find all of the most popular apps acceptable to me. I'm > > trying to decide what to remove from Linux Mint Debian Edition and what to > > add in order to create Swift Linux. > > > > I've noticed that Linux distros tend to offer redundancy in their selection > > of multimedia apps. Even Puppy Linux and antiX Linux offer redundant > > multimedia apps. In Swift Linux, every MB counts. Not only am I trying to > > shrink the 1.1 GB ISO file of LMDE with GNOME to under 700 MB so it fits > > onto a CD, I want Swift Linux to continue to fit onto a CD for years to > > come. Thus, I need apps that are reasonably lightweight and have few or no > > dependencies. > > > > What do you think of XMMS? It's the ONLY multimedia player included with > > Damn Small Linux. ConnochaetOS comes with only GNOMEPlayer, SimpleBurn, > > and GTK Sound Mixer. > > > > I'd especially like to hear from those of you who also use lightweight > > distros. In addition to the lightweight distros I've mentioned here, what > > others should I try? A solution that works for other lightweight distros > > could work for Swift Linux. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at freakzilla.com Sun Dec 4 03:26:37 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 03:26:37 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux distro In-Reply-To: <20111204002614.cfd0f5a7800b3aa50a2d242f@jasonhsu.com> References: <20111204002614.cfd0f5a7800b3aa50a2d242f@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 4 Dec 2011, Jason Hsu wrote: > What are your favorite multimedia apps (DVD/video player/ripper, > audio/CD player/ripper, etc.) that are lightweight? I'm not sure how lightweight you're going to get media players to be. Especially video players. There are so many millions of codecs out there, for one. Same for any kind of ripper - they want to be able to handle anything you throw at them and output anything you want them to throw out. Doubly true if you want anything with a GUI. I mean you can always use mpg123 to play your MP3 files one by one, and I bet someone's made a commandline interface to do playliss like that, but it's just so much simpler to use a GUI jukebox kinda thing. Although if you want to go REALLY lightweight you put all your media on a media server and use a web-based player like Subsonic or something. Since you already have Gnome, wouldn't it make sense to use Gnome's media players? I mean then you already have a lot of the dependencies. As for me - I use mplayer for video (on my HTPC, I like it much better than MythTV's builtin player). VLC alwyas gets top reviews, too. I use Rhythmbox to play music on my desktop. I'm not sure why. I used to use xmms a million years ago. The HTPC uses MythTV's music player though, and like I said, I have Subsonic running so I can stream that through a browser or my phone. I use abcde to rip CDs to FLAC, which goes on the media server, and then use pacpl to convert to MP3 for streaming. I know abcde can supposedly rip to both FLAC and MP3 at once but that was just messy as I wanted to integrate into my existing trees. Thanks to people on the lit for suggesting abcde, btw. Both abcde and pacpl should be pretty lightweight, I'd think. I use Handbrake to rip DVDs. I've been working on digitizing my DVD collection like I have my CD collection, now that we have the storage capacity for hundreds of movies. I don't know that it's light, but it works. -Yaron -- From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Sun Dec 4 11:17:29 2011 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 11:17:29 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux distro In-Reply-To: References: <20111204002614.cfd0f5a7800b3aa50a2d242f@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: <20111204111729.8b7d5233920dd08023f2c42b@jasonhsu.com> Yaron, thanks for your input on what packages to keep. For those of you who don't understand what I'm doing, I'm creating a lightweight version of Linux Mint Debian Edition. antiX Linux proved that it's possible to lighten a heavyweight distro. As a result, antiX Linux is 100% compatible with the Debian software repository (just like MEPIS) but gets as many speeding tickets as Puppy Linux. The new Swift Linux has a similar mission as antiX Linux, but the parent distro is Linux Mint Debian Edition. Swift Linux is aimed for the underpopulated lower portion of the Linux market. The idea is to combine the power of Linux Mint with the lightness of Puppy/antiX Linux so that it works well on 10-year-old desktop computers with no resale value. If all goes well, Swift Linux will be the premier replacement for Windows XP and an alternative to Ubuntu for FreeGeek. (I wonder if FreeGeek is sticking with Ubuntu or looking for a replacement distro.) A special challenge of Swift Linux is to INCLUDE LibreOffice Writer, Calc, and Impress WHILE still fitting onto a CD. I know that even small software repositories have LibreOffice, but since LibreOffice is widely used, I'd like to give my users the convenience of having these packages preinstalled. There are many parallels between antiX Linux and the new Swift Linux - IceWM, ROX pinboard, SLiM login manager, and the logout/reboot/shutdown scripts. Keeping GNOME from Linux Mint Debian Edition is NOT a viable option for any lightweight distro, including Swift Linux. GNOME has its merits, but being lightweight isn't one of them. Puppy Linux and antiX Linux proved that user-friendliness can be lightweight. I don't need to keep the Swift Linux ISO under 700 MB forever - just for the next several years. When Swift Linux joins the DVD club, DVD burners need to be universal on 10-year-old computers, and the remaining holdouts need to be limited to distros like TinyCore Linux, SliTaz Linux, Puppy Linux, antiX Core, and antiX Base. -- Jason Hsu Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux http://www.swiftlinux.org From gm5729 at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 11:56:54 2011 From: gm5729 at gmail.com (gk) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 11:56:54 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux distro Message-ID: YMMV but these work on Linux too for a lot of the apps. http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq13.html http://network-tools.com/ I use the above a lot. My ISP hates me for doing so when I show them that the failure is actually on their network. Usually my "problem" is fixed within about 1/2 hour, fancy that..... I put them in their place on their demarcaton line which is their modem. They have no business asking, inquiring or blaming it is my network and if they want to probe it then I will post a complaint with the FCC and FBI for DMCA violations. On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:17, wrote: > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > ? ? ? ?tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > ? ? ? ?http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ? ? ? ?tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ? ? ? ?tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > ? 1. Is there a better tool for running a traceroute? (David S Alanis) > ? 2. Re: Is there a better tool for running a traceroute? > ? ? ?(canito at dalan.us) > ? 3. Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux distro (Jason Hsu) > ? 4. Re: Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux distro > ? ? ?(Nathan England) > ? 5. Re: Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux distro (Chuck Cole) > ? 6. Re: Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux distro (Yaron) > ? 7. Re: Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux distro (Jason Hsu) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 16:47:37 -0600 > From: David S Alanis > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: [tclug-list] Is there a better tool for running a traceroute? > Message-ID: <4EDAA709.50906 at dalan.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I found a odd anomaly running the traceroute command on an old Red Hat 4 > box. > > When you run traceroute -r -F ipaddress it works fine and if you run > that command back to back, > there is a 5 second delay in the reported result and it's worrisome. > > I asked a friend to run the same test in a completely different > environment and he was able to replicate the delayed response from > traceroute. > > I am thinking there must be a network tool that has implemented their > own traceroute utility which won't have this weird behaviour? > > Although I will say that when I run traceroute -I (upper case i) to use > ICMP instead of UDP the behaviour is not nearly as bad. > > And by the way, I was not aware that by default traceroute on Linux used > high UDP ports which caught me by surprise seeing ICMP port unreachable > messages in a network capture, running the default traceroute. Is that > just how its always been? I tested traceroute on a separate OS than > Linux and that traceroute used ICMP. > > So far I've tested hping and this may not work since (I can't verify) it > only uses TCP for traceroutes. I also tried nmap, but it isn't installed > by default on Red Hat so this won't work either. The other tool that I > found to work and will need to probably look into further was mtr. > > Anybody here can recommend a better tool for the job? > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 19:17:25 -0600 (CST) > From: canito at dalan.us > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Cc: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Is there a better tool for running a > ? ? ? ?traceroute? > Message-ID: <1322961445.2329 at dalan.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >> So far I've tested hping and this may not work since (I can't verify) it >> only uses TCP for traceroutes. I also tried nmap, but it isn't installed >> by default on Red Hat so this won't work either. The other tool that I >> found to work and will need to probably look into further was mtr. >> > > I just tested mtr and it seems like a very useful network utility. I guess I just found the replacement for traceroute. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 00:26:14 -0600 > From: Jason Hsu > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: [tclug-list] Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux distro > Message-ID: <20111204002614.cfd0f5a7800b3aa50a2d242f at jasonhsu.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > What are your favorite multimedia apps (DVD/video player/ripper, audio/CD player/ripper, etc.) that are lightweight? ?I don't have any particular favorites, but that's because I don't use the multimedia apps that often, and I generally find all of the most popular apps acceptable to me. ?I'm trying to decide what to remove from Linux Mint Debian Edition and what to add in order to create Swift Linux. > > I've noticed that Linux distros tend to offer redundancy in their selection of multimedia apps. ?Even Puppy Linux and antiX Linux offer redundant multimedia apps. ?In Swift Linux, every MB counts. ?Not only am I trying to shrink the 1.1 GB ISO file of LMDE with GNOME to under 700 MB so it fits onto a CD, I want Swift Linux to continue to fit onto a CD for years to come. ?Thus, I need apps that are reasonably lightweight and have few or no dependencies. > > What do you think of XMMS? ?It's the ONLY multimedia player included with Damn Small Linux. ?ConnochaetOS comes with only GNOMEPlayer, SimpleBurn, and GTK Sound Mixer. > > I'd especially like to hear from those of you who also use lightweight distros. ?In addition to the lightweight distros I've mentioned here, what others should I try? ?A solution that works for other lightweight distros could work for Swift Linux. > > -- > Jason Hsu > Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux http://www.swiftlinux.org > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 23:48:07 -0700 > From: Nathan England > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux > ? ? ? ?distro > Message-ID: <1969418.PzG5XQC0ld at thinkpad.nmecs.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I have found it rather funny that in a world of increasing hard drive sizes, > we are still working at making our storage footprint smaller. > I could understand a little with the memory footprint, but I don't understand > the storage foot print. Unless your intentions for a small distro is to "fit on > the cd" rather take up a lot of hard drive space. > > Regardless, > > (DVD/video player/ripper, audio/CD player/ripper, etc.) > I would have to request: > mplayer for DVD/video player > dvdbackup for dvd ripper > cdda2wav for audio/cd player/ripper along with mplayer to play the ripped > files. I realize mplayer has a lot of deps, but you get everything in the end. > And it is far faster than xine. > Or even aplay works well. > > Nathan > > On Sunday, December 04, 2011 00:26:14 Jason Hsu wrote: >> What are your favorite multimedia apps (DVD/video player/ripper, audio/CD >> player/ripper, etc.) that are lightweight? ?I don't have any particular >> favorites, but that's because I don't use the multimedia apps that often, >> and I generally find all of the most popular apps acceptable to me. ?I'm >> trying to decide what to remove from Linux Mint Debian Edition and what to >> add in order to create Swift Linux. >> >> I've noticed that Linux distros tend to offer redundancy in their selection >> of multimedia apps. ?Even Puppy Linux and antiX Linux offer redundant >> multimedia apps. ?In Swift Linux, every MB counts. ?Not only am I trying to >> shrink the 1.1 GB ISO file of LMDE with GNOME to under 700 MB so it fits >> onto a CD, I want Swift Linux to continue to fit onto a CD for years to >> come. ?Thus, I need apps that are reasonably lightweight and have few or no >> dependencies. >> >> What do you think of XMMS? ?It's the ONLY multimedia player included with >> Damn Small Linux. ?ConnochaetOS comes with only GNOMEPlayer, SimpleBurn, >> and GTK Sound Mixer. >> >> I'd especially like to hear from those of you who also use lightweight >> distros. ?In addition to the lightweight distros I've mentioned here, what >> others should I try? ?A solution that works for other lightweight distros >> could work for Swift Linux. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 01:30:07 -0600 > From: "Chuck Cole" > To: , ? "TCLUG Mailing List" > ? ? ? ? > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux > ? ? ? ?distro > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; ? ? ? charset="us-ascii" > > Jason is developing the distro for the Dick Tracy wrist computer. ?It will use the DataPlay 32mm diameter CD discs and a 1" diagonal > 3-D screen > > ? ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DataPlay > > Battery life is expected to be at least 15 minutes... ?maybe 2 full songs. > ? ? The built-in speakers will be kinda wimpy tho ? ? ?:-) > > > Chuck > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Nathan England >> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 12:48 AM >> To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux distro >> >> >> I have found it rather funny that in a world of increasing hard drive sizes, >> we are still working at making our storage footprint smaller. >> I could understand a little with the memory footprint, but I don't understand >> the storage foot print. Unless your intentions for a small distro is to "fit on >> the cd" rather take up a lot of hard drive space. >> >> Regardless, >> >> (DVD/video player/ripper, audio/CD player/ripper, etc.) >> I would have to request: >> mplayer for DVD/video player >> dvdbackup for dvd ripper >> cdda2wav for audio/cd player/ripper along with mplayer to play the ripped >> files. I realize mplayer has a lot of deps, but you get everything in the end. >> And it is far faster than xine. >> Or even aplay works well. >> >> Nathan >> >> On Sunday, December 04, 2011 00:26:14 Jason Hsu wrote: >> > What are your favorite multimedia apps (DVD/video player/ripper, audio/CD >> > player/ripper, etc.) that are lightweight? ?I don't have any particular >> > favorites, but that's because I don't use the multimedia apps that often, >> > and I generally find all of the most popular apps acceptable to me. ?I'm >> > trying to decide what to remove from Linux Mint Debian Edition and what to >> > add in order to create Swift Linux. >> > >> > I've noticed that Linux distros tend to offer redundancy in their selection >> > of multimedia apps. ?Even Puppy Linux and antiX Linux offer redundant >> > multimedia apps. ?In Swift Linux, every MB counts. ?Not only am I trying to >> > shrink the 1.1 GB ISO file of LMDE with GNOME to under 700 MB so it fits >> > onto a CD, I want Swift Linux to continue to fit onto a CD for years to >> > come. ?Thus, I need apps that are reasonably lightweight and have few or no >> > dependencies. >> > >> > What do you think of XMMS? ?It's the ONLY multimedia player included with >> > Damn Small Linux. ?ConnochaetOS comes with only GNOMEPlayer, SimpleBurn, >> > and GTK Sound Mixer. >> > >> > I'd especially like to hear from those of you who also use lightweight >> > distros. ?In addition to the lightweight distros I've mentioned here, what >> > others should I try? ?A solution that works for other lightweight distros >> > could work for Swift Linux. >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 03:26:37 -0600 (CST) > From: Yaron > To: TCLUG > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux > ? ? ? ?distro > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > On Sun, 4 Dec 2011, Jason Hsu wrote: > >> What are your favorite multimedia apps (DVD/video player/ripper, >> audio/CD player/ripper, etc.) that are lightweight? > > I'm not sure how lightweight you're going to get media players to be. > Especially video players. There are so many millions of codecs out there, > for one. Same for any kind of ripper - they want to be able to handle > anything you throw at them and output anything you want them to throw out. > > Doubly true if you want anything with a GUI. I mean you can always use > mpg123 to play your MP3 files one by one, and I bet someone's made a > commandline interface to do playliss like that, but it's just so much > simpler to use a GUI jukebox kinda thing. > > Although if you want to go REALLY lightweight you put all your media on a > media server and use a web-based player like Subsonic or something. > > > Since you already have Gnome, wouldn't it make sense to use Gnome's media > players? I mean then you already have a lot of the dependencies. > > > As for me - I use mplayer for video (on my HTPC, I like it much better > than MythTV's builtin player). VLC alwyas gets top reviews, too. > > I use Rhythmbox to play music on my desktop. I'm not sure why. I used to > use xmms a million years ago. The HTPC uses MythTV's music player though, > and like I said, I have Subsonic running so I can stream that through a > browser or my phone. > > I use abcde to rip CDs to FLAC, which goes on the media server, and then > use pacpl to convert to MP3 for streaming. I know abcde can supposedly rip > to both FLAC and MP3 at once but that was just messy as I wanted to > integrate into my existing trees. Thanks to people on the lit for > suggesting abcde, btw. Both abcde and pacpl should be ?pretty lightweight, > I'd think. > > I use Handbrake to rip DVDs. I've been working on digitizing my DVD > collection like I have my CD collection, now that we have the storage > capacity for hundreds of movies. I don't know that it's light, but it > works. > > > -Yaron > > -- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 11:17:29 -0600 > From: Jason Hsu > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Multimedia apps for a LIGHTWEIGHT Linux > ? ? ? ?distro > Message-ID: <20111204111729.8b7d5233920dd08023f2c42b at jasonhsu.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Yaron, thanks for your input on what packages to keep. > > For those of you who don't understand what I'm doing, I'm creating a lightweight version of Linux Mint Debian Edition. ?antiX Linux proved that it's possible to lighten a heavyweight distro. ?As a result, antiX Linux is 100% compatible with the Debian software repository (just like MEPIS) but gets as many speeding tickets as Puppy Linux. ?The new Swift Linux has a similar mission as antiX Linux, but the parent distro is Linux Mint Debian Edition. > > Swift Linux is aimed for the underpopulated lower portion of the Linux market. ?The idea is to combine the power of Linux Mint with the lightness of Puppy/antiX Linux so that it works well on 10-year-old desktop computers with no resale value. ?If all goes well, Swift Linux will be the premier replacement for Windows XP and an alternative to Ubuntu for FreeGeek. ?(I wonder if FreeGeek is sticking with Ubuntu or looking for a replacement distro.) > > A special challenge of Swift Linux is to INCLUDE LibreOffice Writer, Calc, and Impress WHILE still fitting onto a CD. ?I know that even small software repositories have LibreOffice, but since LibreOffice is widely used, I'd like to give my users the convenience of having these packages preinstalled. > > There are many parallels between antiX Linux and the new Swift Linux - IceWM, ROX pinboard, SLiM login manager, and the logout/reboot/shutdown scripts. > > Keeping GNOME from Linux Mint Debian Edition is NOT a viable option for any lightweight distro, including Swift Linux. ?GNOME has its merits, but being lightweight isn't one of them. ?Puppy Linux and antiX Linux proved that user-friendliness can be lightweight. > > I don't need to keep the Swift Linux ISO under 700 MB forever - just for the next several years. ?When Swift Linux joins the DVD club, DVD burners need to be universal on 10-year-old computers, and the remaining holdouts need to be limited to distros like TinyCore Linux, SliTaz Linux, Puppy Linux, antiX Core, and antiX Base. > > -- > Jason Hsu > Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux http://www.swiftlinux.org > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 84, Issue 5 > ***************************************** -- --- gk http://gm5729.blogspot.com/ Please conserve paper and print this email out ONLY if necessary. From ron at ron-l-j.com Sun Dec 4 12:50:34 2011 From: ron at ron-l-j.com (ron at ron-l-j.com) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 11:50:34 -0700 Subject: [tclug-list] Is there a better tool for running a traceroute? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <723e6bf673d5c5590c293229e21a687f.squirrel@www.ron-l-j.com> I like to use nmap --traceroue ipaddress You can scan a whole subnet $nmap --traceroute 10.0.0.1/24 There is a gui frontend as well. and you can try different route with the --ip--address option --ip-address "L 10.0.0.23 10.0.034" Its a little slower but you gain a ton of tools and options. ,ron From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Mon Dec 5 17:56:17 2011 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 17:56:17 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] antiX Linux reviewed on DistroWatch Message-ID: <20111205175617.27f93a3c41aaf5acb1d3143e@jasonhsu.com> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20111205#feature I'm surprised antiX Linux isn't more popular. It's just as fast on old computers as Puppy Linux is, but its repository DWARFS that of Puppy Linux. The review didn't mention this, but Puppy Linux has a MUCH, MUCH smaller repository than antiX Linux. I've tried out TinyCore and SliTaz. While they're even lighter than antiX Linux, they're less user-friendly and (like Puppy Linux) have small repositories. Of course, I'd be more motivated to work with TinyCore and SliTaz if I had a Windows 95 era computer. -- Jason Hsu Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux http://www.swiftlinux.org From canito at dalan.us Mon Dec 5 19:04:59 2011 From: canito at dalan.us (David S Alanis) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:04:59 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] antiX Linux reviewed on DistroWatch In-Reply-To: <20111205175617.27f93a3c41aaf5acb1d3143e@jasonhsu.com> References: <20111205175617.27f93a3c41aaf5acb1d3143e@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: <4EDD6A3B.5060101@dalan.us> On 12/05/2011 05:56 PM, Jason Hsu wrote: > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20111205#feature > > I'm surprised antiX Linux isn't more popular. It's just as fast on old computers as Puppy Linux is, but its repository DWARFS that of Puppy Linux. The review didn't mention this, but Puppy Linux has a MUCH, MUCH smaller repository than antiX Linux. > > I've tried out TinyCore and SliTaz. While they're even lighter than antiX Linux, they're less user-friendly and (like Puppy Linux) have small repositories. Of course, I'd be more motivated to work with TinyCore and SliTaz if I had a Windows 95 era computer. > Jason- Seriously. Do you want me to set up and manage your blog about light weight distros/Ubuntu for you? I think that the many suggestions encouraging you to blog will benefit your cause 100 fold.... Just think of the disgruntled old hardware, XP, and Unity users searching for Swift Linux. You need to advertise. I am just saying.... From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 19:07:24 2011 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 19:07:24 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Reminder, Beer Meeting Wednesday Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I just wanted to send out a reminder -- beer meeting on Wednesday, 7pm, Dave & Buster's in Maple Grove. I hope you can make it. -Erik -- Erik K. Mitchell erik.mitchell at gmail.com From jjensen at apache.org Mon Dec 5 19:25:04 2011 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 19:25:04 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Reminder, Beer Meeting Wednesday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Would love to, but can't. :-( Next time hopefully. On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > Hi Everyone, > I just wanted to send out a reminder -- beer meeting on Wednesday, > 7pm, Dave & Buster's in Maple Grove. I hope you can make it. > > -Erik > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ryanjcole at me.com Mon Dec 5 20:00:23 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 20:00:23 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Reminder, Beer Meeting Wednesday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <90FBC708-B22E-463D-A92F-2865A7698D48@me.com> Thanks for the reminder, Erik. I have a date for that night? I don't think it would be proper to introduce her to my geek side too quickly. :) On Dec 5, 2011, at 7:07 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > Hi Everyone, > I just wanted to send out a reminder -- beer meeting on Wednesday, > 7pm, Dave & Buster's in Maple Grove. I hope you can make it. > > -Erik > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jmore at starmind.org Mon Dec 5 20:03:46 2011 From: jmore at starmind.org (Josh More) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 20:03:46 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Reminder, Beer Meeting Wednesday In-Reply-To: <90FBC708-B22E-463D-A92F-2865A7698D48@me.com> References: <90FBC708-B22E-463D-A92F-2865A7698D48@me.com> Message-ID: I gave up on dating a few years ago... so I'll be there. ;) Looking forward to meeting everyone. -Josh On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Thanks for the reminder, Erik. > > I have a date for that night? I don't think it would be proper to introduce her to my geek side too quickly. :) > > On Dec 5, 2011, at 7:07 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >> I just wanted to send out a reminder -- beer meeting on Wednesday, >> 7pm, Dave & Buster's in Maple Grove. I hope you can make it. >> >> -Erik >> >> -- >> Erik K. Mitchell >> erik.mitchell at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nesius at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 20:21:51 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 20:21:51 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Reminder, Beer Meeting Wednesday In-Reply-To: <90FBC708-B22E-463D-A92F-2865A7698D48@me.com> References: <90FBC708-B22E-463D-A92F-2865A7698D48@me.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Thanks for the reminder, Erik. > > I have a date for that night? I don't think it would be proper to > introduce her to my geek side too quickly. :) > I can't think of a faster way to get a "is she the one?" answer than to bring her. ;-) -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jus at krytosvirus.com Mon Dec 5 20:27:47 2011 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 02:27:47 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmap with malware! Message-ID: <1540220331-1323138466-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-441615989-@b1.c4.bise6.blackberry> Seems kind of shameful to me. I don't think I remember the last time I downloaded anything from download.com either, too many ads and misleading links from the looks of it to me. I love nmap and feel sad for any infected with other junk, looking at you Java JRE installer for Windows and the Yahoo search bar crap. If I wanted Yahoo search bar its pretty likely I would have installed on my own. Its not like they are even related programs. Of course I don't use nmap on windows but its cool its a supported OS family. Jason, does Swift have nmap installed by default? -----Original Message----- From: Fyodor Sender: nmap-hackers-bounces at insecure.org Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 14:35:30 To: Subject: C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmap with malware! Hi Folks. I've just discovered that C|Net's Download.Com site has started wrapping their Nmap downloads (as well as other free software like VLC) in a trojan installer which does things like installing a sketchy "StartNow" toolbar, changing the user's default search engine to Microsoft Bing, and changing their home page to Microsoft's MSN. The way it works is that C|Net's download page (screenshot attached) offers what they claim to be Nmap's Windows installer. They even provide the correct file size for our official installer. But users actually get a Cnet-created trojan installer. That program does the dirty work before downloading and executing Nmap's real installer. Of course the problem is that users often just click through installer screens, trusting that download.com gave them the real installer and knowing that the Nmap project wouldn't put malicious code in our installer. Then the next time the user opens their browser, they find that their computer is hosed with crappy toolbars, Bing searches, Microsoft as their home page, and whatever other shenanigans the software performs! The worst thing is that users will think we (Nmap Project) did this to them! I took and attached a screen shot of the C|Net trojan Nmap installer in action. Note how they use our registered "Nmap" trademark in big letters right above the malware "special offer" as if we somehow endorsed or allowed this. Of course they also violated our trademark by claiming this download is an Nmap installer when we have nothing to do with the proprietary trojan installer. In addition to the deception and trademark violation, and potential violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, this clearly violates Nmap's copyright. This is exactly why Nmap isn't under the plain GPL. Our license (http://nmap.org/book/man-legal.html) specifically adds a clause forbidding software which "integrates/includes/aggregates Nmap into a proprietary executable installer" unless that software itself conforms to various GPL requirements (this proprietary C|Net download.com software and the toolbar don't). We've long known that malicious parties might try to distribute a trojan Nmap installer, but we never thought it would be C|Net's Download.com, which is owned by CBS! And we never thought Microsoft would be sponsoring this activity! It is worth noting that C|Net's exact schemes vary. Here is a story about their shenanigans: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/93504-download-com-wraps-downloads-in-bloatware-lies-about-motivations It is interesting to compare the trojaned VLC screenshot in that article with the Nmap one I've attached. In that case, the user just clicks "Next step" to have their machine infected. And they wrote "SAFE, TRUSTED, AND SPYWARE FREE" in the trojan-VLC title bar. It is telling that they decided to remove that statement in their newer trojan installer. In fact, if we UPX-unpack the Trojan CNet executable and send it to VirusTotal.com, it is detected as malware by Panda, McAfee, F-Secure, etc: http://bit.ly/cnet-nmap-vt According to Download.com's own stats, hundreds of people download the trojan Nmap installer every week! So the first order of business is to notify the community so that nobody else falls for this scheme. Please help spread the word. Of course the next step is to go after C|Net until they stop doing this for ALL of the software they distribute. So far, the most they have offered is: "If you would like to opt out of the Download.com Installer you can submit a request to cnet-installer at cbsinteractive.com. All opt-out requests are carefully reviewed on a case-by-case basis." In other words, "we'll violate your trademarks and copyright and squandering your goodwill until you tell us to stop, and then we'll consider your request 'on a case-by-case basis' depending on how much money we make from infecting your users and how scary your legal threat is. F*ck them! If anyone knows a great copyright attorney in the U.S., please send me the details or ask them to get in touch with me. Also, shame on Microsoft for paying C|Net to trojan open source software! Cheers, Fyodor From ryanjcole at me.com Mon Dec 5 20:37:17 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 20:37:17 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Reminder, Beer Meeting Wednesday In-Reply-To: References: <90FBC708-B22E-463D-A92F-2865A7698D48@me.com> Message-ID: <2B003B88-0530-4120-AA64-CD85DCFCF12B@me.com> I'd rather get through the first date solo, thanks though :) On Dec 5, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Robert Nesius wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:00 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Thanks for the reminder, Erik. > > I have a date for that night? I don't think it would be proper to introduce her to my geek side too quickly. :) > > I can't think of a faster way to get a "is she the one?" answer than to bring her. ;-) > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Mon Dec 5 20:59:40 2011 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 20:59:40 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Burning a *.wmv movie to DVD Message-ID: <20111205205940.0075a26630f7eb9bad6265f8@jasonhsu.com> I have the *.wmv copy of the movie _Lawrence of Arabia_ on DVD. PNY offered me a free movie for buying RAM from them, so I picked that particular one. I actually had to use Windows to download it. (Fortunately, I was able to run Windows XP in VirtualBox.) I haven't been able to play the *.wmv file in Linux, though it did work in Windows. Is there a way I can burn the *.wmv file to a DVD so I can watch it on my DVD player and TV? (I don't use my computer to watch movies, because they look and sound better on TV.) -- Jason Hsu Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux http://www.swiftlinux.org From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Mon Dec 5 21:09:14 2011 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 21:09:14 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] FREE: CD-ROM drive, failing humidifier Message-ID: <20111205210914.48cbc7118ad2b34afb01031c@jasonhsu.com> I'll be at Wednesday's beer meeting, so let me know if you're interested in either of these items so that I'll know to bring them. I have a 48X speed IDE CD-ROM drive left over from an old computer. Yes, the drive still works, so it's better than nothing. It's NOT a CD burner, and forget about playing DVDs on it (manufactured in May 2001). I also have a warm mist humidifier that works intermittently. It doesn't have much value as a humidifier, but you can have it if you think you can fix it or if you want to scavenge parts from it. -- Jason Hsu Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux http://www.swiftlinux.org From tclug at freakzilla.com Mon Dec 5 21:39:29 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 21:39:29 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Burning a *.wmv movie to DVD In-Reply-To: <20111205205940.0075a26630f7eb9bad6265f8@jasonhsu.com> References: <20111205205940.0075a26630f7eb9bad6265f8@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Dec 2011, Jason Hsu wrote: > Is there a way I can burn the *.wmv file to a DVD so I can watch it on my DVD player and TV? (I don't use my computer to watch movies, because they look and sound better on TV.) First of all, I watch all my TV through a computer. Computer outputs to a TV and it looks just fine. As for your WMV file - if you can't play it on Linux using ANYthing (mplayer or VLC) I have to assume the file has some DRM on it. It'd be extremely unusual that anyone would let you just download a movie and not attach some kind of DRM for it. I'd try this experiment - can you play it in Windows using a different player than Windows Media Player? Want to put it on a memory stick and bring it to the meeting on Wednesday and we can all try playing it on our Macs? Or I can. It's a good movie, by the way. Funnily enough I already have it on DVD and I just ripped it to a digital file! -Yaron -- From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Mon Dec 5 21:55:38 2011 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 21:55:38 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Burning a *.wmv movie to DVD In-Reply-To: References: <20111205205940.0075a26630f7eb9bad6265f8@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: <20111205215538.dd3185ff9478004166162838@jasonhsu.com> Thanks, Yaron. I'll bet that it's a DRM issue. It looks like I'll have to install Windows XP in VirtualBox and burn the DVD from there. -- Jason Hsu Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux http://www.swiftlinux.org From tclug at freakzilla.com Mon Dec 5 21:59:38 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 21:59:38 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Burning a *.wmv movie to DVD In-Reply-To: <20111205215538.dd3185ff9478004166162838@jasonhsu.com> References: <20111205205940.0075a26630f7eb9bad6265f8@jasonhsu.com> <20111205215538.dd3185ff9478004166162838@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: If it's good DRM it might not let you do that, either! On Mon, 5 Dec 2011, Jason Hsu wrote: > Thanks, Yaron. I'll bet that it's a DRM issue. It looks like I'll have to install Windows XP in VirtualBox and burn the DVD from there. > > -- > Jason Hsu > Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux http://www.swiftlinux.org > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -Yaron -- From nesius at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 10:54:20 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 10:54:20 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmap with malware! In-Reply-To: <1540220331-1323138466-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-441615989-@b1.c4.bise6.blackberry> References: <1540220331-1323138466-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-441615989-@b1.c4.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: If you download java from java.com, you will get the installers with the bundled toolbar. If you go to Oracle's java site or ftp site, you will get installers that don't have bundled toolbars. e.g., http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/index.html Also, on Windows, the toolbar installer can be disabled with a switch to setup.exe I think. -Rob On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Justin Krejci wrote: > Seems kind of shameful to me. I don't think I remember the last time I > downloaded anything from download.com either, too many ads and misleading > links from the looks of it to me. > > I love nmap and feel sad for any infected with other junk, looking at you > Java JRE installer for Windows and the Yahoo search bar crap. If I wanted > Yahoo search bar its pretty likely I would have installed on my own. Its > not like they are even related programs. > > Of course I don't use nmap on windows but its cool its a supported OS > family. > > > Jason, does Swift have nmap installed by default? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fyodor > Sender: nmap-hackers-bounces at insecure.org > Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 14:35:30 > To: > Subject: C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmap with malware! > > Hi Folks. I've just discovered that C|Net's Download.Com site has > started wrapping their Nmap downloads (as well as other free software > like VLC) in a trojan installer which does things like installing a > sketchy "StartNow" toolbar, changing the user's default search engine > to Microsoft Bing, and changing their home page to Microsoft's MSN. > > The way it works is that C|Net's download page (screenshot attached) > offers what they claim to be Nmap's Windows installer. They even > provide the correct file size for our official installer. But users > actually get a Cnet-created trojan installer. That program does the > dirty work before downloading and executing Nmap's real installer. > > Of course the problem is that users often just click through installer > screens, trusting that download.com gave them the real installer and > knowing that the Nmap project wouldn't put malicious code in our > installer. Then the next time the user opens their browser, they > find that their computer is hosed with crappy toolbars, Bing searches, > Microsoft as their home page, and whatever other shenanigans the > software performs! The worst thing is that users will think we (Nmap > Project) did this to them! > > I took and attached a screen shot of the C|Net trojan Nmap installer > in action. Note how they use our registered "Nmap" trademark in big > letters right above the malware "special offer" as if we somehow > endorsed or allowed this. Of course they also violated our trademark > by claiming this download is an Nmap installer when we have nothing to > do with the proprietary trojan installer. > > In addition to the deception and trademark violation, and potential > violation of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, this clearly violates > Nmap's copyright. This is exactly why Nmap isn't under the plain GPL. > Our license (http://nmap.org/book/man-legal.html) specifically adds a > clause forbidding software which "integrates/includes/aggregates Nmap > into a proprietary executable installer" unless that software itself > conforms to various GPL requirements (this proprietary C|Net > download.com software and the toolbar don't). We've long known that > malicious parties might try to distribute a trojan Nmap installer, but > we never thought it would be C|Net's Download.com, which is owned by > CBS! And we never thought Microsoft would be sponsoring this > activity! > > It is worth noting that C|Net's exact schemes vary. Here is a story > about their shenanigans: > > > http://www.extremetech.com/computing/93504-download-com-wraps-downloads-in-bloatware-lies-about-motivations > > It is interesting to compare the trojaned VLC screenshot in that > article with the Nmap one I've attached. In that case, the user just > clicks "Next step" to have their machine infected. And they wrote > "SAFE, TRUSTED, AND SPYWARE FREE" in the trojan-VLC title bar. It is > telling that they decided to remove that statement in their newer > trojan installer. In fact, if we UPX-unpack the Trojan CNet > executable and send it to VirusTotal.com, it is detected as malware by > Panda, McAfee, F-Secure, etc: > > http://bit.ly/cnet-nmap-vt > > According to Download.com's own stats, hundreds of people download the > trojan Nmap installer every week! So the first order of business is > to notify the community so that nobody else falls for this scheme. > Please help spread the word. > > Of course the next step is to go after C|Net until they stop doing > this for ALL of the software they distribute. So far, the most they > have offered is: > > "If you would like to opt out of the Download.com Installer you can > submit a request to cnet-installer at cbsinteractive.com. All opt-out > requests are carefully reviewed on a case-by-case basis." > > In other words, "we'll violate your trademarks and copyright and > squandering your goodwill until you tell us to stop, and then we'll > consider your request 'on a case-by-case basis' depending on how much > money we make from infecting your users and how scary your legal > threat is. > > F*ck them! If anyone knows a great copyright attorney in the U.S., > please send me the details or ask them to get in touch with me. > > Also, shame on Microsoft for paying C|Net to trojan open source > software! > > Cheers, > Fyodor > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Tue Dec 6 12:29:05 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 12:29:05 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Reminder, Beer Meeting Wednesday In-Reply-To: References: <90FBC708-B22E-463D-A92F-2865A7698D48@me.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Dec 2011, Josh More wrote: > I gave up on dating a few years ago... so I'll be there. ;) My girlfriend won't let me date, so I'll be there. -Yaron -- From andyzib at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 13:38:01 2011 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 13:38:01 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmap with malware! In-Reply-To: References: <1540220331-1323138466-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-441615989-@b1.c4.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: In this case, malware is the incorrect term. It's not malware that is out to be malicious, it's extra bundled crapware that pays money back to the distributer who got you to install it. Every vendor IE toolbars does it, even some OSS software packages include some of this in their official installers to offset some of their out of pocket costs for providing free software. The software is legitimate in that it's produced by Microsoft, Google, or other software vendors, it's just crap that you didn't really want and probably wouldn't have installed had you been paying attention to the installer. The bad part of this is C|Net is adding this to the official installers without the content of the original packager. I'm sure if you were paying attention you would realize that you're downloading C|net's "installer" that installs the crapware, then downloads and installs the official package for you. Very disrespectful on C|Net's part for doing this. It's not like they don't already have enough misleading "download" links and advertisements on the download.com site, but still not malware in my opinion. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com From ryanjcole at me.com Tue Dec 6 13:39:00 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 13:39:00 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmap with malware! In-Reply-To: References: <1540220331-1323138466-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-441615989-@b1.c4.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <8F1904CB-CB42-4A44-8469-D643FD348B8C@me.com> On Dec 6, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Andrew S. Zbikowski wrote: > In this case, malware is the incorrect term. It's not malware that is > out to be malicious, it's extra bundled crapware that pays money back > to the distributer who got you to install it. Every vendor IE toolbars > does it, even some OSS software packages include some of this in their > official installers to offset some of their out of pocket costs for > providing free software. The software is legitimate in that it's > produced by Microsoft, Google, or other software vendors, it's just > crap that you didn't really want and probably wouldn't have installed > had you been paying attention to the installer. > > The bad part of this is C|Net is adding this to the official > installers without the content of the original packager. I'm sure if > you were paying attention you would realize that you're downloading > C|net's "installer" that installs the crapware, then downloads and > installs the official package for you. Very disrespectful on C|Net's > part for doing this. It's not like they don't already have enough > misleading "download" links and advertisements on the download.com > site, but still not malware in my opinion. The word you're looking for is "bloatware". From djsteinhafel at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 14:11:11 2011 From: djsteinhafel at gmail.com (David Steinhafel) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 14:11:11 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Burning a *.wmv movie to DVD In-Reply-To: References: <20111205205940.0075a26630f7eb9bad6265f8@jasonhsu.com> <20111205215538.dd3185ff9478004166162838@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: <1323202271.1644.2.camel@ti> There is no "good DRM"... only "effective" DRM ;) On Mon, 2011-12-05 at 21:59 -0600, Yaron wrote: > If it's good DRM it might not let you do that, either! > > On Mon, 5 Dec 2011, Jason Hsu wrote: > > > Thanks, Yaron. I'll bet that it's a DRM issue. It looks like I'll have to install Windows XP in VirtualBox and burn the DVD from there. From ron at ron-l-j.com Tue Dec 6 16:24:39 2011 From: ron at ron-l-j.com (ron at ron-l-j.com) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 15:24:39 -0700 Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting, and nmap bundled with maleware. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <72fd8389734492de2d2a0e607b2b062a.squirrel@www.ron-l-j.com> I will be at the meeting and I am bringing friends. If you type nmap in to your browser your first result should be nmap.org. Do not use search terms like "download" "download driver". Most of the time source forge is the best place to get your code from. Softpedia and cnet have been malware loaded for years. Softpedia used to be ok but it is just awful now with adds all over and its tricky just to get what you want. Most of the time a .org site is safe than any .com site. I take it you hit Cnet with windows? ,Ron From ryanjcole at me.com Tue Dec 6 17:50:36 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 17:50:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting, and nmap bundled with maleware. In-Reply-To: <72fd8389734492de2d2a0e607b2b062a.squirrel@www.ron-l-j.com> References: <72fd8389734492de2d2a0e607b2b062a.squirrel@www.ron-l-j.com> Message-ID: It's called BLOATWARE. There is nothing MALicious about it. On Dec 6, 2011, at 4:24 PM, ron at ron-l-j.com wrote: > I will be at the meeting and I am bringing friends. If you type nmap in to > your browser your first result should be nmap.org. Do not use search terms > like "download" "download driver". Most of the time source forge is the > best place to get your code from. Softpedia and cnet have been malware > loaded for years. Softpedia used to be ok but it is just awful now with > adds all over and its tricky just to get what you want. Most of the time a > .org site is safe than any .com site. I take it you hit Cnet with windows? > ,Ron From florin at iucha.net Tue Dec 6 18:02:22 2011 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 18:02:22 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting, and nmap bundled with maleware. In-Reply-To: References: <72fd8389734492de2d2a0e607b2b062a.squirrel@www.ron-l-j.com> Message-ID: <20111207000222.GQ28757@styx.iucha.org> On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 05:50:36PM -0600, Ryan Coleman wrote: > It's called BLOATWARE. There is nothing MALicious about it. Yes, they are doing it from the goodness of their hearts and for your own benefit. Cheers, florin -- Don't question authority! They don't know either. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Tue Dec 6 19:28:49 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 19:28:49 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting, and nmap bundled with maleware. In-Reply-To: <20111207000222.GQ28757@styx.iucha.org> References: <72fd8389734492de2d2a0e607b2b062a.squirrel@www.ron-l-j.com> <20111207000222.GQ28757@styx.iucha.org> Message-ID: <034F9822-0340-4615-8866-D6A565E55470@me.com> On Dec 6, 2011, at 6:02 PM, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 05:50:36PM -0600, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> It's called BLOATWARE. There is nothing MALicious about it. > > Yes, they are doing it from the goodness of their hearts and for your > own benefit. Trying to be in business and give you the service you used to get the files? I don't call that malicious. I call it capitalism. From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Wed Dec 7 00:06:05 2011 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 00:06:05 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] pining a pin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: dang! my high quality CRT becomes a boat anchor for a broken connector pin? ok, yes, i got it free. but this one has made all others look cheap. and heck, no car, not so easy to bop around to fetch stuff. any recommendations? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Wed Dec 7 00:44:38 2011 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 00:44:38 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmap with malware! In-Reply-To: References: <1540220331-1323138466-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-441615989-@b1.c4.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: if it makes unsolicited changes to settings of an unrelated program, it's malware. and claiming consent via intentionally misleading via legaleze overdose doesn't work for me. otoh the windoze eula legitimizes malware. (and Swype changes malware to bakeware!) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Dec 7 05:18:41 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 05:18:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmap with malware! In-Reply-To: References: <1540220331-1323138466-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-441615989-@b1.c4.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <036152C7-9D0B-41D1-BE2F-D85EBF19DA74@me.com> Except that you get the opportunity to opt out of that program, this making it bloatware. Seriously, guys, this is not some shadow program that gets installed with it. You have the choice to skip that piece of the install. -- Ryan On Dec 7, 2011, at 12:44 AM, gregrwm wrote: > if it makes unsolicited changes to settings of an unrelated program, it's malware. and claiming consent via intentionally misleading via legaleze overdose doesn't work for me. otoh the windoze eula legitimizes malware. (and Swype changes malware to bakeware!) > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at ron-l-j.com Wed Dec 7 10:27:10 2011 From: ron at ron-l-j.com (ron at ron-l-j.com) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 09:27:10 -0700 Subject: [tclug-list] It's called BLOATWARE. There is nothing MALicious about it. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8e6e0a6f7cc3c87c90277f32f447e37e.squirrel@www.ron-l-j.com> Ok it's bloat-ware enough to contain a trojan and is flagged by Norton as trojan.exe. In this case its not nmap but a zip file for something or other i was going to add to a desktop a few weeks ago. I scanned the file before unzipping it. Then when I was doing a custom install, and unchecked all the boxes, ran the install and it registered as a trojan and was flagged and removed. It was from cnet and it was malware in my opinion. Malware, short for malicious software, consists of programming (code, scripts, active content, and other software) that is designed to disrupt or deny operation, gather information that leads to loss of privacy or exploitation, or gain unauthorized access to system resources, or that otherwise exhibits abusive behavior.[1] The expression is a general term used by computer professionals to mean a variety of forms of hostile, intrusive, or annoying software or program code. ,Ron From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Dec 7 12:30:26 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 12:30:26 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] It's called BLOATWARE. There is nothing MALicious about it. In-Reply-To: <8e6e0a6f7cc3c87c90277f32f447e37e.squirrel@www.ron-l-j.com> References: <8e6e0a6f7cc3c87c90277f32f447e37e.squirrel@www.ron-l-j.com> Message-ID: <7B72D541-DE70-4901-8973-EC262FFEB1AB@me.com> If you feel there is a virus on the software you should contact CNET. But I would suspect that Norton was, as it always is, overzealous. On Dec 7, 2011, at 10:27 AM, ron at ron-l-j.com wrote: > Ok it's bloat-ware enough to contain a trojan and is flagged by Norton as > trojan.exe. In this case its not nmap but a zip file for something or > other i was going to add to a desktop a few weeks ago. I scanned the file > before unzipping it. Then when I was doing a custom install, and unchecked > all the boxes, ran the install and it registered as a trojan and was > flagged and removed. It was from cnet and it was malware in my opinion. > > Malware, short for malicious software, consists of programming (code, > scripts, active content, and other software) that is designed to disrupt > or deny operation, gather information that leads to loss of privacy or > exploitation, or gain unauthorized access to system resources, or that > otherwise exhibits abusive behavior.[1] The expression is a general term > used by computer professionals to mean a variety of forms of hostile, > intrusive, or annoying software or program code. > > > ,Ron > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From samael.anon at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 15:13:00 2011 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:13:00 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmap with malware! In-Reply-To: <036152C7-9D0B-41D1-BE2F-D85EBF19DA74@me.com> References: <1540220331-1323138466-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-441615989-@b1.c4.bise6.blackberry> <036152C7-9D0B-41D1-BE2F-D85EBF19DA74@me.com> Message-ID: i used bing by mistake when trying to download VLC. it gave me that wrapped shit that tried to put all kinds of programs in my computer; like 15 or so different programs. i attributed it to using bing as a search engine. microsoft... blah On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:18 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Except that you get the opportunity to opt out of that program, this > making it bloatware. > > Seriously, guys, this is not some shadow program that gets installed with > it. You have the choice to skip that piece of the install. > > -- > Ryan > > On Dec 7, 2011, at 12:44 AM, gregrwm wrote: > > if it makes unsolicited changes to settings of an unrelated program, it's > malware. and claiming consent via intentionally misleading via legaleze > overdose doesn't work for me. otoh the windoze eula legitimizes malware. > (and Swype changes malware to bakeware!) > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mitchell erik.mitchell at gmail.com From nesius at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 16:29:58 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 16:29:58 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Reminder, Beer Meeting Wednesday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Unfortunately tonight I can't make it. Partly due to lingering illness, partly due to a big meeting I have to run tomorrow. -_- I hope to catch you all at the next one. -Rob On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > Final reminder -- hope you can make it! > > 7pm > Dave & Buster's, Maple Grove > > > http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Dave+%26+Buster's,+Fountains+Way,+Maple+Grove,+MN&hl=en&sll=44.979965,-93.263836&sspn=0.379332,0.618668&vpsrc=0&safe=high&hq=Dave+%26+Buster's,&hnear=Fountains+Way,+Maple+Grove,+Minnesota+55369&t=h&z=16 > > I've never been there, so I don't know what to expect in terms of > seating, etc... I'll try to get there a little early and get a larger > table. > > -Erik > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Erik Mitchell > wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I just wanted to send out a reminder -- beer meeting on Wednesday, > > 7pm, Dave & Buster's in Maple Grove. I hope you can make it. > > > > -Erik > > > > -- > > Erik K. Mitchell > > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > > > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Dec 7 17:47:24 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 17:47:24 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmap with malware! In-Reply-To: <036152C7-9D0B-41D1-BE2F-D85EBF19DA74@me.com> References: <1540220331-1323138466-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-441615989-@b1.c4.bise6.blackberry> <036152C7-9D0B-41D1-BE2F-D85EBF19DA74@me.com> Message-ID: <46E24A08-17C8-44E5-A980-9582FC779A25@me.com> Another program, though, that's mildly nefarious, is Daemon Tools. It comes bundled with a program that fires up *after* the installer (or it used to) and it made the user think they had to install it to use DT. I just canceled the installer and it was OK. Just because the program comes with another program doesn't mean you have to install it. :) On Dec 7, 2011, at 5:18 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Except that you get the opportunity to opt out of that program, this making it bloatware. > > Seriously, guys, this is not some shadow program that gets installed with it. 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URL: From ron at ron-l-j.com Thu Dec 8 00:35:57 2011 From: ron at ron-l-j.com (ron at ron-l-j.com) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 23:35:57 -0700 Subject: [tclug-list] Good Linux media resources. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8ef5d640479050316cb85ec6d72b40aa.squirrel@ron-l-j.com> Hello TCLUG members. The meeting tonight was fun, and imformative. We where all talking; linux news, who uses what and why, programming, swift linux, monty python, scifi, stock exchange, gentoo, gnome, and countless other things. I know for new Linux users that want to learn more then just man pages and commands there is media out there. I thought I would share my favorites. Podcasts: http://sixgun.org/linuxoutlaws/ http://tuxradar.com/podcast New Ubuntu user targeted magazine: http://fullcirclemagazine.org/ Linux Magazines: http://www.linuxformat.com/ http://www.admin-magazine.com/ Tech stories: http://slashdot.org/ http://arstechnica.com/ http://lxer.com/ ,Ron From ron at ron-l-j.com Thu Dec 8 22:43:43 2011 From: ron at ron-l-j.com (ron at ron-l-j.com) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 21:43:43 -0700 Subject: [tclug-list] Does our lug make news ? This from slashdot, Cnet & nmap Message-ID: <674c979df9575eea738d4a227fb5117d.squirrel@www.ron-l-j.com> "Officials at Cnet's Download.com site have issued a statement apologizing for bundling the popular open source Nmap security audit application with adware that installed a toolbar and changed users' search engine to Microsoft properties. Fyodor, the author of Nmap, raised the issue earlier this week, saying that his app was being wrapped in malware on Download.com. It's not unusual for download sites to bundle free applications with some kind of adware or toolbar, but the creators of open-source applications take a dim view of this practice, given the nature and ethic of open source projects. Nmap is a venerable and widely used tool for mapping networks and performing security audits and Fyodor wrote in a message to an Nmap mailing list earlier this week that Download.com, which is part of Cnet, a subsidiary of CBS Interactive, was bundling the application with its installer, which, if a user agreed, would install a search toolbar and change the user's search engine to Bing." ,Ron From ryanjcole at me.com Fri Dec 9 06:40:42 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 06:40:42 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Does our lug make news ? This from slashdot, Cnet & nmap In-Reply-To: <674c979df9575eea738d4a227fb5117d.squirrel@www.ron-l-j.com> References: <674c979df9575eea738d4a227fb5117d.squirrel@www.ron-l-j.com> Message-ID: <8FFED21C-DD42-4AF0-A14F-01B063987BBB@me.com> Don't get to high on yourself. You're not Fyodor. He didn't post to this list. Justin Krejci posted Fyodor's email from another list. Check your email threads. On Dec 8, 2011, at 10:43 PM, ron at ron-l-j.com wrote: > "Officials at Cnet's Download.com site have issued a statement apologizing > for bundling the popular open source Nmap security audit application with > adware that installed a toolbar and changed users' search engine to > Microsoft properties. Fyodor, the author of Nmap, raised the issue earlier > this week, saying that his app was being wrapped in malware on > Download.com. It's not unusual for download sites to bundle free > applications with some kind of adware or toolbar, but the creators of > open-source applications take a dim view of this practice, given the > nature and ethic of open source projects. Nmap is a venerable and widely > used tool for mapping networks and performing security audits and Fyodor > wrote in a message to an Nmap mailing list earlier this week that > Download.com, which is part of Cnet, a subsidiary of CBS Interactive, was > bundling the application with its installer, which, if a user agreed, > would install a search toolbar and change the user's search engine to > Bing." > > > ,Ron > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 11:07:21 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:07:21 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Does our lug make news ? This from slashdot, Cnet & nmap In-Reply-To: <8FFED21C-DD42-4AF0-A14F-01B063987BBB@me.com> References: <674c979df9575eea738d4a227fb5117d.squirrel@www.ron-l-j.com> <8FFED21C-DD42-4AF0-A14F-01B063987BBB@me.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Dec 2011, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Don't get to high on yourself. You're not Fyodor. He didn't post to this > list. Justin Krejci posted Fyodor's email from another list. > > Check your email threads. Out of those five sentences, I think only the fourth was worth typing. Mike From ryanjcole at me.com Fri Dec 9 11:09:28 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 11:09:28 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Does our lug make news ? This from slashdot, Cnet & nmap In-Reply-To: References: <674c979df9575eea738d4a227fb5117d.squirrel@www.ron-l-j.com> <8FFED21C-DD42-4AF0-A14F-01B063987BBB@me.com> Message-ID: On Dec 9, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Mike Miller wrote: > On Fri, 9 Dec 2011, Ryan Coleman wrote: > >> Don't get to high on yourself. You're not Fyodor. He didn't post to this list. Justin Krejci posted Fyodor's email from another list. >> >> Check your email threads. > > > Out of those five sentences, I think only the fourth was worth typing. Heh. Same could be said about most of the code in many programs. :) From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 15:53:32 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 15:53:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Does our lug make news ? This from slashdot, Cnet & nmap In-Reply-To: References: <674c979df9575eea738d4a227fb5117d.squirrel@www.ron-l-j.com> <8FFED21C-DD42-4AF0-A14F-01B063987BBB@me.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 9 Dec 2011, Ryan Coleman wrote: > On Dec 9, 2011, at 11:07 AM, Mike Miller wrote: > >> On Fri, 9 Dec 2011, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> >>> Don't get to high on yourself. You're not Fyodor. He didn't post to >>> this list. Justin Krejci posted Fyodor's email from another list. >>> >>> Check your email threads. >> >> >> Out of those five sentences, I think only the fourth was worth typing. > > Heh. Same could be said about most of the code in many programs. :) Here's a story I heard years ago that might actually be true: A student was having a hard time getting his assignment done for a computer programming course. He went to a computer lab where a TA could help him with it, but he was still having problems. Finally he got his program to run and he went to tell the TA about it: Student: "Well, I finally got it to run but now I'm not getting any output." TA: "OK. Let's see the code. Ummm, wait, but every line of code is commented out!" Student: "I know, but that was the only way I could get it to run without errors." Mike From ron at ron-l-j.com Sat Dec 10 00:43:39 2011 From: ron at ron-l-j.com (ron at ron-l-j.com) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 23:43:39 -0700 Subject: [tclug-list] funny Don't get to high on yourself. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2ef5729fd23af1afb39e1e6ae9a66f95.squirrel@www.ron-l-j.com> Yeah, Just a funny coincidence. From sfertch at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 08:22:46 2011 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 08:22:46 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for an older laptop Message-ID: I know I could hit up ebay, but looking to stay local and actually see the product before purchase. Anyone have an older laptop they upgraded from that's sitting on a shelf? I'm looking for a laptop to give a family member who's a bit down on their luck. Expected use is light internet with some video, word processing, etc. I do plan to hit up TC FreeGeek as well. Just thought I'd hit up the list members and see what's locally available before hitting ebay and the likes. 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I'm looking for a laptop to give a family member > who's a bit down on their luck.? Expected use is light internet with some > video, word processing, etc. > > I do plan to hit up TC FreeGeek as well.? Just thought I'd hit up the list > members and see what's locally available before hitting ebay and the likes. > > Thanks > > -- > -Shawn > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell erik.mitchell at gmail.com From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Sat Dec 10 13:38:47 2011 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 13:38:47 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Computer infested with porn Message-ID: <20111210133847.428110921ee728615736da1c@jasonhsu.com> One of my friends posted on her Facebook page, "Porn infestation on my work computer. Completely unintentional, promise." I responded, "They don't call it Winblows for nothing." I wonder if she'll switch to Linux Mint like I suggested. -- Jason Hsu From jmore at starmind.org Sat Dec 10 15:34:50 2011 From: jmore at starmind.org (Josh More) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 15:34:50 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Computer infested with porn In-Reply-To: <20111210133847.428110921ee728615736da1c@jasonhsu.com> References: <20111210133847.428110921ee728615736da1c@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: I wish people didn't recommend Linux as an solution for malware infections like this. Don't get me wrong, Linux is great, but problems like this are not solved by changing operating systems. If you take a user that takes stupid risks online, they're going to do that whatever they run. Moving those users to Linux is going to expose them to same Internet they've been on and give them a false feeling of security, as the web has allowed many threats to become cross-platform. As a security consultant, I'd much rather show people how to secure their Windows system (don't run as admin, use Firefox with appropriate plugins, keep it patched) and then, once they know how to use a computer properly, show them why Linux might be a good choice for them based on reasons of flexibility, freedom and cost. -Josh More On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Jason Hsu wrote: > One of my friends posted on her Facebook page, "Porn infestation on my work computer. Completely unintentional, promise." > > I responded, "They don't call it Winblows for nothing." ?I wonder if she'll switch to Linux Mint like I suggested. > > -- > Jason Hsu > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From andyzib at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 22:26:43 2011 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 22:26:43 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] C|Net Download.Com is now bundling Nmap with malware! In-Reply-To: <46E24A08-17C8-44E5-A980-9582FC779A25@me.com> References: <1540220331-1323138466-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-441615989-@b1.c4.bise6.blackberry> <036152C7-9D0B-41D1-BE2F-D85EBF19DA74@me.com> <46E24A08-17C8-44E5-A980-9582FC779A25@me.com> Message-ID: If you're looking for an alternative to Daemon Tools without the additional junk, Virtual CloneDrive (http://www.slysoft.com/en/virtual-clonedrive.html) and Alcohol 52% ( http://www.free-downloads.net/programs/Alcohol_52__Free_Edition) are both free. From memory, both offer to install search tool bars by default but it's a simple uncheck the checkbox during the install to not install the toolbars. Other than the toolbars nothing else was bundled in last time I installed these products. All three products mount CD/DVD images as a drive letter on Windows. Very useful if you're a Microsoft TechNet or MSDN subscriber, or you just don't want to deal with physical media. Welcome to the Windows world where this functionality isn't simply built in. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cncole at earthlink.net Sun Dec 11 02:08:53 2011 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 02:08:53 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for an older laptop In-Reply-To: Message-ID: PCs for People is a good bet for someone down on their luck or with some kinds of welfare support. http://www.pcsforpeople.com They have options ranging from cheap to free, and are likely to have newer gear than many other sources. Also, they provide the machines all set up and ready to go.. maybe with a support guarantee too. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Shawn Fertch Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 8:23 AM To: TCLUG List Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for an older laptop I know I could hit up ebay, but looking to stay local and actually see the product before purchase. Anyone have an older laptop they upgraded from that's sitting on a shelf? I'm looking for a laptop to give a family member who's a bit down on their luck. Expected use is light internet with some video, word processing, etc. I do plan to hit up TC FreeGeek as well. Just thought I'd hit up the list members and see what's locally available before hitting ebay and the likes. Thanks -- -Shawn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeruvin at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 13:36:14 2011 From: jeruvin at gmail.com (jason reynolds) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 13:36:14 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Computer infested with porn In-Reply-To: References: <20111210133847.428110921ee728615736da1c@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: Amen!!!! Jason On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Josh More wrote: > I wish people didn't recommend Linux as an solution for malware > infections like this. > > Don't get me wrong, Linux is great, but problems like this are not > solved by changing operating systems. If you take a user that takes > stupid risks online, they're going to do that whatever they run. > Moving those users to Linux is going to expose them to same Internet > they've been on and give them a false feeling of security, as the web > has allowed many threats to become cross-platform. > > As a security consultant, I'd much rather show people how to secure > their Windows system (don't run as admin, use Firefox with appropriate > plugins, keep it patched) and then, once they know how to use a > computer properly, show them why Linux might be a good choice for them > based on reasons of flexibility, freedom and cost. > > -Josh More > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Jason Hsu > wrote: > > One of my friends posted on her Facebook page, "Porn infestation on my > work computer. Completely unintentional, promise." > > > > I responded, "They don't call it Winblows for nothing." I wonder if > she'll switch to Linux Mint like I suggested. > > > > -- > > Jason Hsu > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- jason -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you take a user that takes > stupid risks online, they're going to do that whatever they run. > Moving those users to Linux is going to expose them to same Internet > they've been on and give them a false feeling of security, as the web > has allowed many threats to become cross-platform. > > As a security consultant, I'd much rather show people how to secure > their Windows system (don't run as admin, use Firefox with appropriate > plugins, keep it patched) and then, once they know how to use a > computer properly, show them why Linux might be a good choice for them > based on reasons of flexibility, freedom and cost. Education is everything. But? I hate to say it: We have options in Operating Systems? We don't have options in human diseases. We can't make a "more secure" immune system? So? Education is the answer. :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From canito at dalan.us Sun Dec 11 18:26:31 2011 From: canito at dalan.us (David S Alanis) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 18:26:31 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Misc Items for Sale Message-ID: <4EE54A37.7030709@dalan.us> I'll be moving soon and need to get rid of all the extra house items I've accumulated over 2011. Qty: 3 Tetra water wonders decorative filters. I would like to sell these filters that I didn't use when setting up a friends Fresh Water tank. On line they're going for $29.99 but I could use $10 each. http://www.tropicalfishencounter.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_4&products_id=231&zenid=5956lsqocf2qrhm4r2rbstgo34 Qty: 1 TV wooden cabinet. Slightly damaged. $20 You pick up in Bloomington. Qty: 1 Amazon DX, 3 year replacement warranty, case, used twice since purchased, for some reason I just can't get myself used to it $340. I spent about $540 and I know I will never get my monies back, but I feel that price is decent. Bought this motherboard with a lower end processor for my son to play on line games only used slightly, but since has decided to take over my laptop since he can take it to friends more easily. I upgraded the CPU and memory to build an ESXi server, however I just cant bring my self to leaving it running all of the time and therefore just quit using it. I understand that the new 2nd generation processors are better in many ways. But I've found the Q9650 to be faster than some of my friend's PCs who are running the core I7. $420 Qty: 1 EVGA 790 SLI Ultra 8GB DDR3 RAM http://www.evga.com/articles/389.asp Qty: 1 Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 Yorkfield 3.0GHz LGA 775 w/ 1 yr. extended replacement warranty. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115130 I won't be parting out this system. If you want to purchase the 550W Rosewill PS & Thermaltake case that it lives in right now please add an additional $40. Last but not least, I have two models of the SnapGear SG565 VPN firewall/routers. I believe these are running the FreeBSD ARM architecture and have Snort IDS/IPS, VPN (already mentioned), Wireless, all built in. You can read a review about them at this link. http://www.thetechherald.com/articles/Review-SnapGear-SG565 New these went for over $550 but what I would like to do is get rid of them since I built me a Gentoo firewall/router/IDS (which keeps me from forgetting how to manage many Open Source applications) and plus Qwest modem now provides wireless. The firmware is all up to date. What I would like to do is donate the money that I get for these to some local charity. Please contact me off line if interested. Pictures can be viewed at this link: https://picasaweb.google.com/100913376620968243324/MiscItemsForSale?authkey=Gv1sRgCMKap7CP2qaYggE# Thanks- From canito at dalan.us Sun Dec 11 21:27:12 2011 From: canito at dalan.us (canito at dalan.us) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 21:27:12 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Misc Items for Sale Message-ID: <1323660432.22444@dalan.us> > Bought this motherboard with a lower end processor for my son to play on > line games only used slightly, but since has decided to take over my > laptop since he can take it to friends more easily. I upgraded the CPU > and memory to build an ESXi server, however I just cant bring my self to > leaving it running all of the time and therefore just quit using it. I > understand that the new 2nd generation processors are better in many > ways. But I've found the Q9650 to be faster than some of my friend's PCs > who are running the core I7. $420 Just want to clarify that the price of the CPU/Mobo includes the 8GB of RAM. From canito at dalan.us Mon Dec 12 09:40:49 2011 From: canito at dalan.us (canito at dalan.us) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 09:40:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Misc Items for Sale Message-ID: <1323704449.16502@dalan.us> My friend told me these prices are high and I really want to get rid of them before I move so if you still think they are steep make me an offer. Qty: 3 Tetra water wonders decorative filters. I would like to sell these filters that I didn't use when setting up a friends Fresh Water tank. On line they're going for $29.99 but I could use $5 each. http://www.tropicalfishencounter.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_4&products_id=231&zenid=5956lsqocf2qrhm4r2rbstgo34 Qty: 1 TV wooden cabinet. Slightly damaged with parts. $20 You pick up in Bloomington. Qty: 1 Amazon DX, 3 year replacement warranty, case, used twice since purchased, for some reason I just can't get myself used to it $300. Bought this motherboard with a lower end processor for my son to play on line games only used slightly, but since has decided to take over my laptop since he can take it to friends more easily. I upgraded the CPU and memory to build an ESXi server, however I just cant bring my self to leaving it running all of the time and therefore just quit using it. I understand that the new 2nd generation processors are better in many ways. But I've found the Q9650 to be faster than some of my friend's PCs who are running the core I7. $400. Just the cost of the processor alone was $350 so I think this is a good deal. Qty: 1 EVGA 790 SLI Ultra with --> 8GB DDR3 RAM included. http://www.evga.com/articles/389.asp Qty: 1 Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 Yorkfield 3.0GHz LGA 775 w/ 1 yr. extended replacement warranty. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115130 I won't be parting out this system. If you want to purchase the 550W Rosewill PS & Thermaltake case that it lives in right now please add an additional $40. Last but not least, I have two models of the SnapGear SG565 VPN firewall/routers. I believe these are running the FreeBSD ARM architecture and have Snort IDS/IPS, VPN (already mentioned), Wireless, all built in. You can read a review about them at this link. http://www.thetechherald.com/articles/Review-SnapGear-SG565 New these went for over $550 but what I would like to do is get rid of them since I built me a Gentoo firewall/router/IDS (which keeps me from forgetting how to manage many Open Source applications) and plus Qwest modem now provides wireless. The firmware is all up to date. What I would like to do is donate the money that I get for these to some local charity. I was thinking something in the rage of $80 if interested please contact me off line. Pictures can be viewed at this link: https://picasaweb.google.com/100913376620968243324/MiscItemsForSale?authkey=Gv1sRgCMKap7CP2qaYggE# Thanks- From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Mon Dec 12 12:18:30 2011 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:18:30 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Demi Lovato Linux Message-ID: <20111212121830.b3549185ff64b88153d2f410@jasonhsu.com> http://demilovato.sourceforge.net/ Demi Lovato Linux is now available! I'm going to try it out sometime. It's based on Ubuntu with GNOME 3, so it doesn't require a radar detector like Justin Bieber Linux (based on Puppy Linux), Taylor Swift Linux, Minnesota Swift Linux, or Chicago Swift Linux. :) -- Jason Hsu From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Mon Dec 12 12:25:03 2011 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:25:03 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Petite Linux Message-ID: <20111212122503.78b2cd0441f6ca4a5d374228@jasonhsu.com> DistroWatch just added Petite Linux (http://sites.google.com/site/petitelinux/home). It's based on OpenSUSE and uses Enlightenment. This is another distro I'll have to try sometime. It may be the antiX Linux of OpenSUSE. -- Jason Hsu From erikerik at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 09:56:55 2011 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 09:56:55 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Distro "Family Tree" SVG Message-ID: (via HN) Linux Distribution timeline SVG: http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/11.10/gldt1110.svg I've seen graphics like this before, but most of those were not kept up-to-date. This guy (http://futurist.se/gldt/) keeps his version up-to-date. In browsing through this, I learned (among other things) that someone started a "Christian Edition" spinoff of Ubuntu in early '06, which was quickly followed by a "Satanic Edition" and "Muslim Edition". Religious oneupmanship FTL. :) -Erik From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 10:25:37 2011 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 10:25:37 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Distro "Family Tree" SVG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It would be interesting to compare the Linux Distribution timeline with a similar graphic showing all of the various flavors of Christianity (or Islam for that matter). I wonder which is more diverse? -Erik On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Erik Anderson wrote: > (via HN) > > Linux Distribution timeline SVG: > http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/11.10/gldt1110.svg > > I've seen graphics like this before, but most of those were not kept > up-to-date. This guy (http://futurist.se/gldt/) keeps his version > up-to-date. > > In browsing through this, I learned (among other things) that someone > started a "Christian Edition" spinoff of Ubuntu in early '06, which > was quickly followed by a "Satanic Edition" and "Muslim Edition". > Religious oneupmanship FTL. :) > > -Erik > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Erik K. Mitchell erik.mitchell at gmail.com From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 13:28:08 2011 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:28:08 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Distro "Family Tree" SVG Message-ID: Erik Mitchell: > It would be interesting to compare the Linux Distribution timeline > with a similar graphic showing all of the various flavors of > Christianity (or Islam for that matter). > > I wonder which is more diverse? A friend teases me about my "heavenly code coming down from the cloud to mere mortals." What can I say? "In God we trust" is our national motto, right? -- Brian Wood Ebenezer Enterprises http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 14:17:38 2011 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 14:17:38 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Distro "Family Tree" SVG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Since 1956! On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Brian Wood wrote: > Erik Mitchell: > > >> It would be interesting to compare the Linux Distribution timeline >> with a similar graphic showing all of the various flavors of >> Christianity (or Islam for that matter). >> >> I wonder which is more diverse? > > > A friend teases me about my "heavenly code coming down > from the cloud to mere mortals."? What can I say? > "In God we trust" is our national motto, right? > > -- > Brian Wood > Ebenezer Enterprises > http://webEbenezer.net > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell erik.mitchell at gmail.com From ryanjcole at me.com Thu Dec 15 14:24:28 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 15:24:28 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Distro "Family Tree" SVG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5105A525-9445-42C5-B410-9D4C0A1523F7@me.com> +1! On Dec 15, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > Since 1956! > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Brian Wood wrote: >> Erik Mitchell: >> >> >>> It would be interesting to compare the Linux Distribution timeline >>> with a similar graphic showing all of the various flavors of >>> Christianity (or Islam for that matter). >>> >>> I wonder which is more diverse? >> >> >> A friend teases me about my "heavenly code coming down >> from the cloud to mere mortals." What can I say? >> "In God we trust" is our national motto, right? >> >> -- >> Brian Wood >> Ebenezer Enterprises >> http://webEbenezer.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nesius at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 16:32:13 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:32:13 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Distro "Family Tree" SVG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Brian Wood wrote: > > > A friend teases me about my "heavenly code coming down > from the cloud to mere mortals." What can I say? > "In God we trust" is our national motto, right? > > Yep - and it's printed or stamped on all effigies of our God. -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Fri Dec 16 10:20:40 2011 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:20:40 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] firefox8/metrotransit.org Message-ID: <20111216162040.591BA2F0085@okra.fo4.net> i'm shocked firefox 8.0+build1-0ubuntu0.11.04.3 (natty) doesn't render metrotransit.org, my best guess what's going on is metrotransit pages are lacking metadata describing how to properly render them, but still, geez, every other browser, not to mention prior versions of firefox, do fine. or is something amis on my box? others having/not having this problem? From ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 10:45:30 2011 From: ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com (Ryan Dunlop) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:45:30 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] firefox8/metrotransit.org In-Reply-To: <20111216162040.591BA2F0085@okra.fo4.net> References: <20111216162040.591BA2F0085@okra.fo4.net> Message-ID: Not working here either. Works fine in chromium. On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, gregrwm wrote: > i'm shocked firefox 8.0+build1-0ubuntu0.11.04.3 (natty) doesn't render > metrotransit.org, my best guess what's going on is metrotransit pages are > lacking metadata describing how to properly render them, but still, geez, > every other browser, not to mention prior versions of firefox, do fine. or > is something amis on my box? others having/not having this problem? > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From gm5729 at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 11:32:21 2011 From: gm5729 at gmail.com (gk) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 11:32:21 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Firefox 8 Message-ID: WFM . firefox8/metrotransit.org (gregrwm) > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 10:45:30 -0600 > From: Ryan Dunlop > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] firefox8/metrotransit.org > Message-ID: > ? ? ? ? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Not working here either. ?Works fine in chromium. > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 10:20 AM, gregrwm wrote: > >> i'm shocked firefox 8.0+build1-0ubuntu0.11.04.3 (natty) doesn't render >> metrotransit.org, my best guess what's going on is metrotransit pages are >> lacking metadata describing how to properly render them, but still, geez, >> every other browser, not to mention prior versions of firefox, do fine. ?or >> is something amis on my box? ?others having/not having this problem? >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> From gsker at skerbitz.org Fri Dec 16 12:05:45 2011 From: gsker at skerbitz.org (Gerry) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:05:45 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] firefox8/metrotransit.org In-Reply-To: <20111216162040.591BA2F0085@okra.fo4.net> References: <20111216162040.591BA2F0085@okra.fo4.net> Message-ID: Doesn't work for me, but I pretty much assumed it was a NoScript problem. In fact it's recently gotten really horrid. It opens infinite tabs.... /me digs a little. Setting my user agent to IE 8 works. In fact setting it to just about anything other than my default: Mozilla/5.0 (Ubuntu; X11; Linux x86_64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/9.0 Seems to work. Firefox 9.0 beta5 on Oneiric. I sent them a comment. On Fri, 16 Dec 2011, gregrwm wrote: > i'm shocked firefox 8.0+build1-0ubuntu0.11.04.3 (natty) doesn't render metrotransit.org, my best guess what's going on is metrotransit pages are lacking metadata describing how to properly render them, but still, geez, every other browser, not to mention prior versions of firefox, do fine. or is something amis on my box? others having/not having this problem? -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker at skerbitz.org From nathan at paysonlinux.org Fri Dec 16 13:41:06 2011 From: nathan at paysonlinux.org (Nathan England) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:41:06 -0700 Subject: [tclug-list] firefox8/metrotransit.org In-Reply-To: <20111216162040.591BA2F0085@okra.fo4.net> References: <20111216162040.591BA2F0085@okra.fo4.net> Message-ID: <6739652.ZbehGRFVK7@thinkpad.nmecs.com> No problems here. Works great, Firefox 8 and PlaxOS On Friday, December 16, 2011 10:20:40 AM gregrwm wrote: > i'm shocked firefox 8.0+build1-0ubuntu0.11.04.3 (natty) doesn't render > metrotransit.org, my best guess what's going on is metrotransit pages are > lacking metadata describing how to properly render them, but still, geez, > every other browser, not to mention prior versions of firefox, do fine. or > is something amis on my box? others having/not having this problem? > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 14:45:22 2011 From: ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com (Ryan Dunlop) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 14:45:22 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] firefox8/metrotransit.org In-Reply-To: <6739652.ZbehGRFVK7@thinkpad.nmecs.com> References: <20111216162040.591BA2F0085@okra.fo4.net> <6739652.ZbehGRFVK7@thinkpad.nmecs.com> Message-ID: Didn't work on Mint 10 FF8 Didn't work on Mint 11 x64 FF8 Didn't work on Bodhi Linux FF8 Works great openSUSE 11.4 x64 FF8 On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Nathan England wrote: > No problems here. Works great, Firefox 8 and PlaxOS > > On Friday, December 16, 2011 10:20:40 AM gregrwm wrote: > > i'm shocked firefox 8.0+build1-0ubuntu0.11.04.3 (natty) doesn't render > > metrotransit.org, my best guess what's going on is metrotransit pages > are > > lacking metadata describing how to properly render them, but still, geez, > > every other browser, not to mention prior versions of firefox, do fine. > or > > is something amis on my box? others having/not having this problem? > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Smith mailto:craig.a.smith at honeywell.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From cwgriesel at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 11:13:52 2011 From: cwgriesel at gmail.com (Curtis Griesel) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:13:52 +0100 Subject: [tclug-list] Wiki for tabular data - recommendations? In-Reply-To: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C70C51B705@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> References: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C70C51B705@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> Message-ID: How about using spreadsheets in google docs? I know it?s not open source. But it allows collaboration like a wiki, and does a good job of emulating the feel of Excel which would appeal to non-technical users. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Smith, Craig A wrote: > Can anyone recommend an open-source wiki that?s good for tables?**** > > ** ** > > I?m running UseModWiki (perl). Tables are possible with double vertical > bar (||) delimiters.**** > > http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TextFormattingRules/WikiTables **** > > ** ** > > I?m looking for something more friendly for a non-technical audience.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > - Craig A. Smith mailto:craig.a.smith at honeywell.com > **** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gsker at skerbitz.org Tue Dec 20 11:45:06 2011 From: gsker at skerbitz.org (Gerry) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:45:06 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Wiki for tabular data - recommendations? In-Reply-To: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C70C51B705@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> References: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C70C51B705@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> Message-ID: Twiki/Foswiki 's WYSIWYG editor appears to do tables nicely. You're just looking for wysiwyg. TinyMCE is what TWiki uses. http://www.thefullwiki.org/Comparison_of_wiki_software On Tue, 20 Dec 2011, Smith, Craig A wrote: > > Can anyone recommend an open-source wiki that?s good for tables? > I?m running UseModWiki (perl).? Tables are possible with double vertical bar (||) delimiters. > http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TextFormattingRules/WikiTables > I?m looking for something more friendly for a non-technical audience. > > - Craig A. Smith mailto:craig.a.smith at honeywell.com?? -- Gerry Skerbitz gsker at skerbitz.org -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jmore at starmind.org Tue Dec 20 11:49:24 2011 From: jmore at starmind.org (Josh More) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:49:24 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Android, CyanogenMod and GPS Message-ID: For those at the gathering a few weeks back, I thought I'd drop a note about the GPS fix. Turns out it wasn't antenna crosstalk, but a side effect of flashing overlapping radio configs. I had to wipe out the Davlik cache AND reformat the cache partition. Then, when flashing the zip file containing the GPS radios, everything locked on and worked fine. I still think that running non-carrier firmware on your phone is the way to go. The learning curve isn't as bad as it looks. -Josh From trieff at greencaremankato.com Tue Dec 20 13:11:47 2011 From: trieff at greencaremankato.com (Thomas Rieff) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:11:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Ledger-SMB In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1ba15797-75fb-42a6-b838-b3000b0eaf89@gc50> TCLUG, Trying to install LedgerSMB to a Ubuntu server. I am using this as a guide... http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-ledgersmb-1.3-series-open-source-accounting-erp-application-on-ubuntu-11.10-oneiric-ocelot I get to Step #5 and it gives me an error when I execute the following command... sudo perl Makefile.PL Any thoughts on this??? One quirk that was self inflicted by me is that I upgraded the server from 9.04 to 11.10. When it was done, it was at 12.04 beta. :-( Is there a way of backing up in versions??? Or does it really make a difference??? Tom Thomas Rieff GreenCare 1717 3rd Avenue Mankato, MN 56001 (507) 344-8314 Office (507) 344-8316 Fax (507) 381-0660 Cell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmore at starmind.org Tue Dec 20 13:22:06 2011 From: jmore at starmind.org (Josh More) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:22:06 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Ledger-SMB In-Reply-To: <1ba15797-75fb-42a6-b838-b3000b0eaf89@gc50> References: <1ba15797-75fb-42a6-b838-b3000b0eaf89@gc50> Message-ID: What's the error? On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Thomas Rieff wrote: > TCLUG, > Trying to install LedgerSMB to a Ubuntu server. I am using this as a > guide... > > http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-ledgersmb-1.3-series-open-source-accounting-erp-application-on-ubuntu-11.10-oneiric-ocelot > > I get to Step #5 and it gives me an error when I execute the following > command... > > sudo perl Makefile.PL > > Any thoughts on this??? > One quirk that was self inflicted by me is that I upgraded the server from > 9.04 to 11.10. > When it was done, it was at 12.04 beta. :-( Is there a way of backing up in > versions??? > Or does it really make a difference??? > Tom > > Thomas Rieff > GreenCare > 1717 3rd Avenue > Mankato, MN 56001 > (507) 344-8314 Office > (507) 344-8316 Fax > (507) 381-0660 Cell > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Tue Dec 20 13:38:44 2011 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:38:44 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Android, CyanogenMod and GPS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20111220193844.GV28757@styx.iucha.org> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:49:24AM -0600, Josh More wrote: > For those at the gathering a few weeks back, I thought I'd drop a note > about the GPS fix. > > Turns out it wasn't antenna crosstalk, but a side effect of flashing > overlapping radio configs. I had to wipe out the Davlik cache AND > reformat the cache partition. Then, when flashing the zip file > containing the GPS radios, everything locked on and worked fine. > > I still think that running non-carrier firmware on your phone is the > way to go. The learning curve isn't as bad as it looks. Josh, Thanks for the update - it is heartening to know that Cyanogen won't mess up your phone. I'm glad for the answer, but I'm curious on how you got to it. Forum feedback, trial an error, pure luck (TM)? Cheers, florin -- Beware of software written by optimists! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm slowly getting better, but since I'm no longer at the beginning of my career, it's a lot harder to find the time to jump up learning curves outside of my field. -Josh On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:49:24AM -0600, Josh More wrote: >> For those at the gathering a few weeks back, I thought I'd drop a note >> about the GPS fix. >> >> Turns out it wasn't antenna crosstalk, but a side effect of flashing >> overlapping radio configs. ?I had to wipe out the Davlik cache AND >> reformat the cache partition. ?Then, when flashing the zip file >> containing the GPS radios, everything locked on and worked fine. >> >> I still think that running non-carrier firmware on your phone is the >> way to go. ?The learning curve isn't as bad as it looks. > > Josh, > > Thanks for the update - it is heartening to know that Cyanogen won't > mess up your phone. > > I'm glad for the answer, but I'm curious on how you got to it. ?Forum > feedback, trial an error, pure luck (TM)? > > Cheers, > florin > > -- > Beware of software written by optimists! > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tclug at freakzilla.com Thu Dec 22 02:16:54 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 02:16:54 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] WAY the heck off topic: audio equipment Message-ID: So with just about every electronics store except Best Buy closed, do people on the list have any hints on where to go for stereo equipment? Not high-end insane audiophile stuff, but still, you know, nicer than Best Buy. Probably end up buying stuff online, but it's nice to listen to speakers before buying 'em. -Yaron -- From tclug at freakzilla.com Thu Dec 22 03:09:49 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 03:09:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] CRT monitors Message-ID: I know, I know, who needs CRT monitors... well, I have three 17" CRTs (two Sun, one Viewsonic). I figured BEFORE I dump them at some electronics recycling place, I'd ask if anyone wants 'em. So anyone want 'em? Or know a place that'll recycle them for free? (; -Yaron -- From nesius at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 07:44:00 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 07:44:00 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] WAY the heck off topic: audio equipment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 2:16 AM, Yaron wrote: > So with just about every electronics store except Best Buy closed, do > people on the list have any hints on where to go for stereo equipment? Not > high-end insane audiophile stuff, but still, you know, nicer than Best Buy. > > Probably end up buying stuff online, but it's nice to listen to speakers > before buying 'em. > > The Twin Cities metro area will have multiple sound shops that specialize exclusively in audio stuff, which if you're trying to avoid big-box retail is where you'll want to go. I've been partial to Denon integrated amps/receivers - the build quality has been really good. As for speakers it's easy to go off the deep-end. The last time I helped someone build out a system they went with Paradigm speakers, which is a nice line of speakers with entries across the entire spectrum of cost. I especially thought they had some great offerings at the knee-of-the-curve price-point for speakers. His system sounded really good when he had it up and running. -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjensen at apache.org Thu Dec 22 08:53:49 2011 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 08:53:49 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] CRT monitors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Best Buy will give you a $10 card when you pay $10 to drop... not "free", but net zero. Did a few old TVs this summer that way. On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 3:09 AM, Yaron wrote: > I know, I know, who needs CRT monitors... well, I have three 17" CRTs (two > Sun, one Viewsonic). I figured BEFORE I dump them at some electronics > recycling place, I'd ask if anyone wants 'em. So anyone want 'em? Or know a > place that'll recycle them for free? (; > > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jjensen at apache.org Thu Dec 22 08:57:19 2011 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 08:57:19 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] WAY the heck off topic: audio equipment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My absolutely fav store is Audio Perfection on Lyndale in Richfield. While they also carry "the best" stuff ("high-end insane audiophile stuff"), they also carry moderately priced stuff that is at top of consumer gear - e.g. Denon, Creek, etc. On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 2:16 AM, Yaron wrote: > So with just about every electronics store except Best Buy closed, do people > on the list have any hints on where to go for stereo equipment? Not high-end > insane audiophile stuff, but still, you know, nicer than Best Buy. > > Probably end up buying stuff online, but it's nice to listen to speakers > before buying 'em. > > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From taanerud at comcast.net Thu Dec 22 09:32:11 2011 From: taanerud at comcast.net (Timothy Aanerud) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:32:11 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] CRT monitors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EF34D7B.7010001@comcast.net> If you live in Hennepin County there are two waste transfer stations that will take them at no charge. 8100 Jefferson Highway, Brooklyn Park 1400 West 96th St, Bloomington. http://hennepin.us/dropoffs -- Timothy A '386 is a terrible thing to waste. (and so is a 17" CRT) On 12/22/2011 3:09 AM, Yaron wrote: > I know, I know, who needs CRT monitors... well, I have three 17" CRTs > (two Sun, one Viewsonic). I figured BEFORE I dump them at some > electronics recycling place, I'd ask if anyone wants 'em. So anyone > want 'em? Or know a place that'll recycle them for free? (; > -Yaron > -- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mastercactapus at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 10:04:01 2011 From: mastercactapus at gmail.com (Nathan Caza) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 10:04:01 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] CRT monitors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think they stopped the $10 charge now; people were just leaving tvs/monitors in the parking lot On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Jeff Jensen wrote: > Best Buy will give you a $10 card when you pay $10 to drop... ?not > "free", but net zero. ?Did a few old TVs this summer that way. > > > On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 3:09 AM, Yaron wrote: >> I know, I know, who needs CRT monitors... well, I have three 17" CRTs (two >> Sun, one Viewsonic). I figured BEFORE I dump them at some electronics >> recycling place, I'd ask if anyone wants 'em. So anyone want 'em? Or know a >> place that'll recycle them for free? (; >> >> >> -Yaron >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ryanjcole at me.com Thu Dec 22 10:05:42 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 10:05:42 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] CRT monitors In-Reply-To: <4EF34D7B.7010001@comcast.net> References: <4EF34D7B.7010001@comcast.net> Message-ID: You have access to any of the recyclers in the seven county area, actually. I used woodburys a few times when I lived in uptown. -- Ryan Coleman m. 612.910.3709 On Dec 22, 2011, at 9:32, Timothy Aanerud wrote: > If you live in Hennepin County there are two waste transfer stations that will take them at no charge. > 8100 Jefferson Highway, Brooklyn Park > 1400 West 96th St, Bloomington. > http://hennepin.us/dropoffs > -- > Timothy > A '386 is a terrible thing to waste. (and so is a 17" CRT) > > On 12/22/2011 3:09 AM, Yaron wrote: >> I know, I know, who needs CRT monitors... well, I have three 17" CRTs (two Sun, one Viewsonic). I figured BEFORE I dump them at some electronics recycling place, I'd ask if anyone wants 'em. So anyone want 'em? Or know a place that'll recycle them for free? (; >> -Yaron >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Dec 22 10:13:36 2011 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 10:13:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] WAY the heck off topic: audio equipment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: +1 As a McIntosh dealer, they are required to be able to measure performance in a home, and demo great sound. However, what "great sound" may be differs by whether it's for classical, rock, or jazz. Speakers are built with these three types of "sound color", when I was really into evaluating speakers a while back. Rock speakers have boomy bass. Jazz speakers have bright mid-range to feature sax and trumpet. Classical is most "true" across the spectrum. and stereo "imaging" is also best because of thet. Bose really sucks at stereo imaging. I ended up buying from a McIntosh shop that also sold Boston Acoustics among its brand choices, and their high-end models had as good sound as the very most expensive, according to listening and tests in their elegant listening room. Many places around town now sell Boston Acoustics speakers, including Best Buy, but Audio Perfection does not. shows many in Minnesota and several in Eagan near my Zip code. I don't know who has a good listening room, tho. I've also had my old high-end speakers professionally rebuilt locally when cones aged... MUCH more economical than new speakers!!! Most important to select speakers in a good listening room and using a particular piece of music to compare speakers. Considering your home listening area is equally important, because something that sounds good in the store may not sound the same at home (home and/or speakers can be "balanced", tho). For me, a Telarc recording of the Olympic Fanfare was ideal, and the stereo imaging of the French Horns showed the stero imaging very well. With good classical speakers, I can add "color" if I choose, but I can't make rock or jazz speakers transparent enough for top quality classical. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Jeff Jensen > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:57 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] WAY the heck off topic: audio equipment > > > My absolutely fav store is Audio Perfection on Lyndale in Richfield. > While they also carry "the best" stuff ("high-end insane audiophile > stuff"), they also carry moderately priced stuff that is at top of > consumer gear - e.g. Denon, Creek, etc. > > On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 2:16 AM, Yaron wrote: > > So with just about every electronics store except Best Buy closed, do people > > on the list have any hints on where to go for stereo equipment? Not high-end > > insane audiophile stuff, but still, you know, nicer than Best Buy. > > > > Probably end up buying stuff online, but it's nice to listen to speakers > > before buying 'em. > > > > > > -Yaron From tclug at freakzilla.com Thu Dec 22 10:23:37 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 10:23:37 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] WAY the heck off topic: audio equipment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Dec 2011, Jeff Jensen wrote: > My absolutely fav store is Audio Perfection on Lyndale in Richfield. See I was looking at them, but their website is... ugh. I'll come out and say it, it's terrible. In addition to it's terribleness the ONLY things they show on it ARE the high-end audiophile stuff, like $4000 DVD players. But I'll probably go check them out. What I'm after right now are new speakers and a nice speaker-listening-to room would be good. -Yaron -- From jjensen at apache.org Thu Dec 22 10:44:13 2011 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 10:44:13 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] WAY the heck off topic: audio equipment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Yaron wrote: > On Thu, 22 Dec 2011, Jeff Jensen wrote: > >> My absolutely fav store is Audio Perfection on Lyndale in Richfield. > > > See I was looking at them, but their website is... ugh. I'll come out and > say it, it's terrible. In addition to it's terribleness the ONLY things they > show on it ARE the high-end audiophile stuff, like $4000 DVD players. Yes, the website blows. Big. Time. > But I'll probably go check them out. What I'm after right now are new > speakers and a nice speaker-listening-to room would be good. Good - the worst that can happen is you waste some time. My guess is you will enjoy the store, oogling at the too-expensive stuff, and really appreciate their listening rooms. Lotsa stuff to hear, they will move things around and hook up what you want to hear. Let them know your ideal price range, what styles you mostly listen to, and room and existing equipment details. They also have some used gear - mention you are open to that (if you are). Additionally, some years ago when I finished my basement, I wanted ceiling speakers for rooms and the man-cave (garage workshop). Mark (the owner) sold me very old stock (of very good speakers) at half price. So another option for "better value" may be old stock (if they have any). Also consider audiogon.com if looking for used gear. It's a lot of high-end, but you can find something in your price range too - use the "Search by Price Range" feature. Some of the older high-end gear is still superior sounding to brand new consumer stuff! From tclug at freakzilla.com Thu Dec 22 10:52:29 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 10:52:29 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] WAY the heck off topic: audio equipment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Dec 2011, Chuck Cole wrote: > As a McIntosh dealer, they are required to be able to measure performance in a home, and demo great sound. However, what "great ... > or jazz speakers transparent enough for top quality classical. Thanks Chuck - the length of your reply is why I'm not going for high-end audiophile stuff. I have decent equipment right now, and I just think the time ha come for non-crappy speakers to be attached to it. I kinda miss the olden days when that meant less than 6 speakers (; But yeah, my living room is not an ideal setup for sound, plus, like I said, I'm not an audiophile, and I don't only listen to ONE type of music (or sound - a lot of the times I'm watching movies). I'm not about to spend thousands of dollars (or even a single thousand) on one pair of speakers (and then more for the center channel and more for the satellites etc etc) until I'm exceedingly rich and have spent a lot more on building a perfect room to keep them in! I have a nice Onkyo receiver now. It's high end for non-audiophiles and probably as high up as I'll go. It's driving... Sony bookshelf speakers. Which I got when I was very strapped, and are the ONLY part of this whole setup that has not since been upgraded! So I think it's time to move up on that (; -Yaron -- From wdtj at yahoo.com Thu Dec 22 11:25:09 2011 From: wdtj at yahoo.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:25:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [tclug-list] WAY the heck off topic: audio equipment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1324574709.72765.YahooMailNeo@web162005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Try AEI.? Their more geared to professional sound systems, but also to the DIYer.? Near highway 100 and 55. ? --- Wayne Johnson,???????????? | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N.????????? | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003???????????? | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis >________________________________ > From: Yaron >To: TCLUG >Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:16 AM >Subject: [tclug-list] WAY the heck off topic: audio equipment > >So with just about every electronics store except Best Buy closed, do people on the list have any hints on where to go for stereo equipment? Not high-end insane audiophile stuff, but still, you know, nicer than Best Buy. > >Probably end up buying stuff online, but it's nice to listen to speakers before buying 'em. > > >-Yaron > >-- >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at lctn.org Thu Dec 22 11:47:34 2011 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 11:47:34 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] QAM Tuner frequencies in Khz Message-ID: <4EF36D36.1030701@lctn.org> A while back I was trying to find a resource that provided the frequencies in Khz for analog stations to use with VLC. I now need to find the frequencies in Khz for the new digital channels medicom has moved to. Mythtv, using the QAM tuner, scanned and found the new channels and they work fine in Myth, so now I am wrestling with getting VLC to work. Is there a resource or formula to calculate what digital channels 51-7, 51-11, and 51-13 are in Khz? Raymond From ron at ron-l-j.com Thu Dec 22 14:39:21 2011 From: ron at ron-l-j.com (ron at ron-l-j.com) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 13:39:21 -0700 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 84, Issue 25 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: WAY the heck off topic: audio equipment (Yaron) > 2. Re: WAY the heck off topic: audio equipment (Jeff Jensen) > 3. Re: WAY the heck off topic: audio equipment (Yaron) > 4. Re: WAY the heck off topic: audio equipment (Wayne Johnson) > 5. QAM Tuner frequencies in Khz (Raymond Norton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 10:23:37 -0600 (CST) > From: Yaron > To: TCLUG > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] WAY the heck off topic: audio equipment > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > On Thu, 22 Dec 2011, Jeff Jensen wrote: > >> My absolutely fav store is Audio Perfection on Lyndale in Richfield. > > See I was looking at them, but their website is... ugh. I'll come out and > say it, it's terrible. In addition to it's terribleness the ONLY things > they show on it ARE the high-end audiophile stuff, like $4000 DVD > players. > > > But I'll probably go check them out. What I'm after right now are new > speakers and a nice speaker-listening-to room would be good. > > > -Yaron I would suggest guitar center for monitors, you can listen to a bunch of different monitors from cheap to wicked expensive. my favorite monitors are a pair of dt770 headphones. ,Ron From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Dec 23 02:44:25 2011 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 02:44:25 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] WAY the heck off topic: audio equipment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Yaron > > On Thu, 22 Dec 2011, Chuck Cole wrote: > > > > As a McIntosh dealer, they are required to be able to measure performance in a home, and demo great sound. However, what "great > ... > > or jazz speakers transparent enough for top quality classical. > > Thanks Chuck - the length of your reply is why I'm not going for high-end > audiophile stuff. I have decent equipment right now, and I just think the > time ha come for non-crappy speakers to be attached to it. I kinda miss > the olden days when that meant less than 6 speakers (; Although I supported the suggestion of Audio Perfection as a place to shop or maybe to listen, fact is that I have never been excited enough to spend time or buy there myself. My preferred shop is a similar one in Winter Park Florida (Absolute Audio) that also carries McIntosh, Denon, and other brands. . My first really good speakers were 2nd best models which was all I could/would afford then. They were trivially different from the very best after many critical listening sessions. Later, I stumbled onto the top-of-the line models for a great price by pure coincidence at a pawn shop that was next to a deli where I had just grabbed lunch. Buying used, or the more adventurous route of buying a set that needs to be re-coned (usually under $50), can get you really great stuff for just a few hundred bucks. By very shrewd bargain hunting, I have three audiophile quality systems on the cheap (one on each floor). My stuff is not the esoteric or super-high priced stuff, but is audiophile quality. I listen to an assortment of stuff also, but great sound improves even TV and radio stuff... IMHO :-) Chuck From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Fri Dec 23 06:44:51 2011 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 06:44:51 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] efficiently retaining a snapshot Message-ID: <20111223124451.361882F008E@okra.fo4.net> before embarking on major changes, to be safe, seems to make sense to snapshot the (root) partition first. but snapshots were designed to be quickly deleted, at the expense of inefficient writes meanwhile. if i want to keep the snapshot for awhile, i want to reverse that tradeoff, ie iiuc it will be far more efficient to make changes in the snapshot rather than in the origin. and to save a reboot, it might be nice to just pivot_root into the snapshot, though by the time one restarts services et al the reboot would be simpler. does this make sense? is there a better way? next3 looks promising except that i don't see it surfacing in 'official' channels tia, -g From nealzimm at cpinternet.com Fri Dec 23 08:55:28 2011 From: nealzimm at cpinternet.com (Neal Zimmermann) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 08:55:28 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] QAM Tuner frequencies in Khz Message-ID: <1324652128.2708.2.camel@fenton.leeshore.net> Ray; Try installing DVB-Apps for your distro ( I know it works for both Ubuntu and Fedora ) and go to /usr/share/dvb/atsc/. There should be QAM test files for the center frequencies on cable. Neal From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Fri Dec 23 18:40:21 2011 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 18:40:21 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] filling out forms without paper Message-ID: <20111224004021.9BDFA2F008E@okra.fo4.net> i've learned to use gimp to convert a .pdf to singlepage .jpg or .png images, and use them as page backgrounds in OOo, finally creating a new .pdf, thus i can fill out forms without printing. it works well enough, though it leaves me wondering if there's a tool that does it a bit easier. From ryanjcole at me.com Fri Dec 23 18:50:03 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 18:50:03 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] filling out forms without paper In-Reply-To: <20111224004021.9BDFA2F008E@okra.fo4.net> References: <20111224004021.9BDFA2F008E@okra.fo4.net> Message-ID: <5807BB63-0103-46A6-BE34-28502C6ADEA3@me.com> I use imageMagick to convert PDFs to images with a single command. On Dec 23, 2011, at 6:40 PM, gregrwm wrote: > i've learned to use gimp to convert a .pdf to singlepage .jpg or .png images, and use them as page backgrounds in OOo, finally creating a new .pdf, thus i can fill out forms without printing. it works well enough, though it leaves me wondering if there's a tool that does it a bit easier. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From matthew at lechleider.com Fri Dec 23 19:06:51 2011 From: matthew at lechleider.com (Matthew Lechleider) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 19:06:51 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] filling out forms without paper In-Reply-To: <5807BB63-0103-46A6-BE34-28502C6ADEA3@me.com> References: <20111224004021.9BDFA2F008E@okra.fo4.net> <5807BB63-0103-46A6-BE34-28502C6ADEA3@me.com> Message-ID: <4EF525AB.80100@lechleider.com> What is the single command? On 12/23/2011 06:50 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I use imageMagick to convert PDFs to images with a single command. > > On Dec 23, 2011, at 6:40 PM, gregrwm wrote: > >> i've learned to use gimp to convert a .pdf to singlepage .jpg or .png images, and use them as page backgrounds in OOo, finally creating a new .pdf, thus i can fill out forms without printing. it works well enough, though it leaves me wondering if there's a tool that does it a bit easier. >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ryanjcole at me.com Fri Dec 23 19:08:09 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 19:08:09 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] filling out forms without paper In-Reply-To: <4EF525AB.80100@lechleider.com> References: <20111224004021.9BDFA2F008E@okra.fo4.net> <5807BB63-0103-46A6-BE34-28502C6ADEA3@me.com> <4EF525AB.80100@lechleider.com> Message-ID: <0AA50F95-BE73-4963-BA4E-56B944E62A49@me.com> convert file.pdf file.jpg :) On Dec 23, 2011, at 7:06 PM, Matthew Lechleider wrote: > What is the single command? > > On 12/23/2011 06:50 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> I use imageMagick to convert PDFs to images with a single command. >> >> On Dec 23, 2011, at 6:40 PM, gregrwm wrote: >> >>> i've learned to use gimp to convert a .pdf to singlepage .jpg or .png images, and use them as page backgrounds in OOo, finally creating a new .pdf, thus i can fill out forms without printing. it works well enough, though it leaves me wondering if there's a tool that does it a bit easier. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From brian at ropers-huilman.net Fri Dec 23 19:27:15 2011 From: brian at ropers-huilman.net (Brian D. Ropers-Huilman) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 19:27:15 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] filling out forms without paper In-Reply-To: References: <20111224004021.9BDFA2F008E@okra.fo4.net> Message-ID: I just use gimp to import the PDF and the add text layers with the information I'm filling in, save it as a PostScript file, then lpr to print it. -- Brian D. Ropers-Huilman 612.234.7778 (m) Sent from my Android mobile device -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 18:50, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I use imageMagick to convert PDFs to images with a single command. > > On Dec 23, 2011, at 6:40 PM, gregrwm wrote: > > i've learned to use gimp to convert a .pdf to singlepage .jpg or .png > images, and use them as page backgrounds in OOo, finally creating a new > .pdf, thus i can fill out forms without printing. it works well enough, > though it leaves me wondering if there's a tool that does it a bit easier. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nesius at gmail.com Sat Dec 24 01:53:45 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 01:53:45 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Happy Holidays Message-ID: Hello fellow TC-LUGers. Just wanted to wish you all a Happy Holidays and a great 2012. -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tpenney at gmail.com Sat Dec 24 12:27:03 2011 From: tpenney at gmail.com (Tom Penney) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 12:27:03 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] filling out forms without paper In-Reply-To: References: <20111224004021.9BDFA2F008E@okra.fo4.net> <5807BB63-0103-46A6-BE34-28502C6ADEA3@me.com> Message-ID: I wrote a php web app which annotates scanned forms. I have fields in a database which were not hand written on a form. Other handwritten items on the scan are not in the database. I write cross reference numbers and other text onto the scanned form. write me off list if you are interested in more info. it is set up for on specific form. here is the bit that modifies the form. $im is a png image file path $im = ImageCreateFromPng($modpngnobacks); //str_replace("\\", "/", $data[0]); //$im = ImageCreateFromPng('/data/annotatedramsey/temp/21531854.png'); if($im){ //colors $white = ImageColorAllocate ($im, 254, 254, 254); $black = ImageColorAllocate ($im, 0, 0, 0); // define where to print stuff // we need to calculate where to write on the image based on the image size $width = imagesx($im); $height = imagesy($im); //address $addx1 = 0; $addy1 = 0; $addx2 = 1300; $addy2 = 70; $addst = 55; // auditer code $codex1 = ($width * .8); // start auditor number at 80% accross $codey1 = 0; $codex2 = $width; // draw white background to right edge $codey2 = 70; $codest = 55; // Duplicate $dupx1 = ($width * .5); $dupst = 55; // pins - calculate position on page $pinx1 = ($width * .71); //1800; $piny1 = ($height * .81); //2650; // .81 $pinx2 = $width; $piny2 = ($height * .90);// 2950; // .90 $pin1st = ("$piny1" + 60); $pin2st = ("$pin1st" + 50); $pin3st = ("$pin2st" + 50); $pin4st = ("$pin3st" + 50); $addpinsst = ("$pin4st" + 50); // YearBuilt & Deed Type accross bottom $ybdtx1 = 0; $ybdty1 = ($height - 70); $ybdtx2 = 1300; $ybdty2 = $height; $ybdtst = ($height - 5); // draw on image ImageFilledRectangle ( $im, $addx1, $addy1, $addx2, $addy2, $white ); $data[80] = addslashes($data[80]); // 80: PropAdd ImageTTFtext ( $im, 35, 0, $addx1, $addst, $black, 'Vera', $data[80] ); ImageFilledRectangle ( $im, $codex1, $codey1, $codex2, $codey2, $white ); ImageTTFtext ( $im, 35, 0, $codex1, $codest, $black, 'Vera', $data[3] );// 3: CRVAudNum // prints Duplicate text //ImageTTFtext ( $im, 35, 0, $dupx1, $dupst, $black, 'Vera', $_SESSION['dup'] ); //unset($_SESSION['dup']); ImageFilledRectangle ( $im, $pinx1, $piny1, $pinx2, $piny2, $white ); ImageTTFtext ( $im, 35, 0, $pinx1, $pin1st, $black, 'Vera', $data[55] ); // 55: PIN ImageTTFtext ( $im, 35, 0, $pinx1, $pin2st, $black, 'Vera', $data[56] ); //56: PIN2 ImageTTFtext ( $im, 35, 0, $pinx1, $pin3st, $black, 'Vera', $data[57] ); //57: PIN3 ImageTTFtext ( $im, 35, 0, $pinx1, $pin4st, $black, 'Vera', $data[58] ); //58: PIN4 $morepins = "$addpinslable".$data[59]; ImageTTFtext ( $im, 35, 0, $pinx1, $addpinsst, $black, 'Vera', $morepins ); $yearanddeed = $yrbuiltlable . $data[23] . " ". $deedtypelable . $data[52]; //23: YearBuilt - 52: DeedType ImageFilledRectangle ( $im, $ybdtx1, $ybdty1, $ybdtx2, $ybdty2, $white ); ImageTTFtext ( $im, 35, 0, $ybdtx1, $ybdtst, $black, 'Vera', $yearanddeed ); //output image $imageout = $modpngnobacks; // overwrite same image //$imageout = $basedir . $ramseyImageTemp .'/mod'. $path_parts['filename'] . '.png' ; ImagePng($im, $imageout); imagedestroy($im); unset($crevSer); } O Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 8:32 PM, gregrwm wrote: > imageMagick omited portions of a pdf i got awhile back, whoknows what > dozeware made it but gimp rendered it all, so i've stuck with gimp since > then. > > > On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 18:50, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> >> I use imageMagick to convert PDFs to images with a single command. >> >> On Dec 23, 2011, at 6:40 PM, gregrwm wrote: >> > i've learned to use gimp to convert a .pdf to singlepage .jpg or .png >> > images, and use them as page backgrounds in OOo, finally creating a new >> > .pdf, thus i can fill out forms without printing. ?it works well enough, >> > though it leaves me wondering if there's a tool that does it a bit easier. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Tom Penney 612.208.2568 From gm5729 at gmail.com Sat Dec 24 12:31:46 2011 From: gm5729 at gmail.com (gk) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 12:31:46 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] filling out forms without paper Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 12:00, wrote: > ? 1. Re: QAM Tuner frequencies in Khz (Neal Zimmermann) > ? 2. filling out forms without paper (gregrwm) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 18:40:21 -0600 (CST) > From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: [tclug-list] filling out forms without paper > Message-ID: <20111224004021.9BDFA2F008E at okra.fo4.net> > > i've learned to use gimp to convert a .pdf to singlepage .jpg or .png images, and use them as page backgrounds in OOo, finally creating a new .pdf, thus i can fill out forms without printing. ?it works well enough, though it leaves me wondering if there's a tool that does it a bit easier. > > pdftk is great for doing all kinds of things with pdfs. Remember before the days of Google Docs you can upload the file and save it as ods or whatever. I like flpsed; pdfs are basically postscript files. flpsed will let you fill out any form and print it out. Since most forms you fill out are going to have to be signed and then rescanned back in to your comptuer for archiving. Sometimes the meta data has issues with flpsed writing on top of the pdf. Since the former is being done its really a minor irritation. gk From brian.ropers.huilman at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 19:21:14 2011 From: brian.ropers.huilman at gmail.com (Brian D. Ropers-Huilman) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 19:21:14 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] filling out forms without paper In-Reply-To: <20111224004021.9BDFA2F008E@okra.fo4.net> References: <20111224004021.9BDFA2F008E@okra.fo4.net> Message-ID: I just use gimp to import the ODF and the add text layers with the information I'm filling in, save it as a PostScript file, then lpr to print it. -- Brian D. Ropers-Huilman 612.234.7778 (m) Sent from my Android mobile device -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Shipping a monitor to the UK might be a bit cost prohibitive. :-) Brian From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri Dec 30 03:27:39 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 03:27:39 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Free stuff Message-ID: Ok, I have some free, kinda obsolete but also somewhat cool stuff that I thought I'd throw out on the list before I throw into electronics recycling. If anyone wants any of this stuff, let me know. You'd probably have to come up to the Shoreview area to get it. 1. Cisco PIX 501 firewall. 2. PCI Adaptec SCSI cards (two 2940, one 2930) 3. SPARC Voyager. It actually boots! No screen/keyboard but it's a SPARC so serial console works. Seems to be stuck at the ok prompt right now, used to be able to run Linux. 4. SGI O2. Pains me to no end that I never got a usable OS on the thing, mostly due to inability to find free Irix CDs. I have a keyboard for it, can't seem to find the mouse (might be OK with a ps/2 one). 5. USB 3-button scroll-wheel mouse. Drop a note off the list if you are interested in rescuing any of these guys. -Yaron -- From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 07:49:00 2011 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 07:49:00 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Off-site backup for Linux home users Message-ID: Hello, I was wondering if anyone could recommend some off-site backup solutions for home users that are Linux friendly? I currently get some free, very throttled, backup space through a web host that I may leave soon if I can find a cheaper alternative. Currently I use SFTP (SSH) with rsync and encfs (like mcrypt but folder level via FUSE). So basically I would need to be able to mount the storage in Linux (sole web interfaces are not an option). I need about 50 GB with future growth of up to around 250 GB (probably the absolute max I would need). Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks, -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com From jjensen at apache.org Fri Dec 30 08:10:46 2011 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 08:10:46 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Off-site backup for Linux home users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jeremy! I recently evaluated this too, and chose CrashPlan.com. Key reasons include so many supported platforms, the software is free (only pay to backup to their cloud), can backup to peers for free (including your buddy's computer located elsewhere or local attached storage), and their cloud plans are either a cheap 10G or the rest are unlimited data amounts. Plus they're a local MN company (and I have professional acquaintance of at least one person working there, so I know it's a reasonable place). On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote: > Hello, > > I was wondering if anyone could recommend some off-site backup > solutions for home users that are Linux friendly? I currently get some > free, very throttled, backup space through a web host that I may leave > soon if I can find a cheaper alternative. Currently I use SFTP (SSH) > with rsync and encfs (like mcrypt but folder level via FUSE). So > basically I would need to be able to mount the storage in Linux (sole > web interfaces are not an option). I need about 50 GB with future > growth of up to around 250 GB (probably the absolute max I would > need). > > Any thoughts or suggestions? > > Thanks, > > -- > Jeremy MountainJohnson > Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Fri Dec 30 08:12:50 2011 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 08:12:50 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Off-site backup for Linux home users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > I was wondering if anyone could recommend some off-site backup > solutions for home users that are Linux friendly? I currently get some > free, very throttled, backup space through a web host that I may leave > soon if I can find a cheaper alternative. Currently I use SFTP (SSH) > with rsync and encfs (like mcrypt but folder level via FUSE). So > basically I would need to be able to mount the storage in Linux (sole > web interfaces are not an option). I need about 50 GB with future > growth of up to around 250 GB (probably the absolute max I would > need). > > Any thoughts or suggestions? > for years i've used backuppc (using rsync as transport), it has deduplication and good automated expiration. i've also had a tektonic vps for years, good rates, excellent reliability. tho the best storage option is your own, at another location. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjensen at apache.org Fri Dec 30 08:32:35 2011 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 08:32:35 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Off-site backup for Linux home users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 8:12 AM, gregrwm wrote: >> I was wondering if anyone could recommend some off-site backup >> solutions for home users that are Linux friendly? I currently get some >> free, very throttled, backup space through a web host that I may leave >> soon if I can find a cheaper alternative. Currently I use SFTP (SSH) >> with rsync and encfs (like mcrypt but folder level via FUSE). So >> basically I would need to be able to mount the storage in Linux (sole >> web interfaces are not an option). I need about 50 GB with future >> growth of up to around 250 GB (probably the absolute max I would >> need). >> >> Any thoughts or suggestions? > > > for years i've used backuppc (using rsync as transport), it has > deduplication and good automated expiration.? i've also had a tektonic vps > for years, good rates, excellent reliability.? tho the best storage option > is your own, at another location. Yes, someone on this list a couple of years ago recommended backuppc to me, and I'm still using it. It's very nice. I'm thinking of phasing it out and moving to CrashPlan (eliminates a server, that maintenance, and $). I setup CrashPlan for my mother's 2 PCs and it's been working great for her. From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Fri Dec 30 10:09:26 2011 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 10:09:26 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Off-site backup for Linux home users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20111230100926.429ce62d@prokofiev.trutwins.homeip.net> Another vote for crashplan. Has many useful features. I use it backup my parent's computer to my home file server. Another thing I do with my file server is I use a RAID-1 array and got a 3rd drive. Every few months I swap one of the drives and take the one back to work with me. Josh On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 08:10:46 -0600 Jeff Jensen wrote: > Hi Jeremy! > > I recently evaluated this too, and chose CrashPlan.com. Key reasons > include so many supported platforms, the software is free (only pay > to backup to their cloud), can backup to peers for free (including > your buddy's computer located elsewhere or local attached storage), > and their cloud plans are either a cheap 10G or the rest are > unlimited data amounts. Plus they're a local MN company (and I have > professional acquaintance of at least one person working there, so I > know it's a reasonable place). > > > On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Jeremy MountainJohnson > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I was wondering if anyone could recommend some off-site backup > > solutions for home users that are Linux friendly? I currently get > > some free, very throttled, backup space through a web host that I > > may leave soon if I can find a cheaper alternative. Currently I > > use SFTP (SSH) with rsync and encfs (like mcrypt but folder level > > via FUSE). So basically I would need to be able to mount the > > storage in Linux (sole web interfaces are not an option). I need > > about 50 GB with future growth of up to around 250 GB (probably > > the absolute max I would need). > > > > Any thoughts or suggestions? > > > > Thanks, > > > > -- > > Jeremy MountainJohnson > > Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From florin at iucha.net Fri Dec 30 11:45:17 2011 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 11:45:17 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] SGI O2 Was: Free stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20111230174517.GJ12090@styx.iucha.org> On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 03:27:39AM -0600, Yaron wrote: > 4. SGI O2. Pains me to no end that I never got a usable OS on the thing, > mostly due to inability to find free Irix CDs. I have a keyboard for it, > can't seem to find the mouse (might be OK with a ps/2 one). I got NetBSD to run on mine at some point - and I know the OpenBSD folks got it working as well. I am keeping mine, just for the cool factor - it has a nice design and the fan blows quite a breeze! Cheers, florin -- Beware of software written by optimists! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Re: Off-site backup for Linux home users (Jeff Jensen) > ? 4. Re: Off-site backup for Linux home users (gregrwm) > ? 5. Re: Off-site backup for Linux home users (Jeff Jensen) > ? 6. Re: Off-site backup for Linux home users (Josh Trutwin) datastorageunit.com John the owner has been great the 1.5 years I have been with him. I don't remember any down times and he responds to emails quickly. 100GB of space is less than $50 year, yes year not month. gk From adam at whee.org Fri Dec 30 14:02:35 2011 From: adam at whee.org (Adam Maloney) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:02:35 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] SGI O2 Was: Free stuff In-Reply-To: <20111230174517.GJ12090@styx.iucha.org> References: <20111230174517.GJ12090@styx.iucha.org> Message-ID: > On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 03:27:39AM -0600, Yaron wrote: >> 4. SGI O2. Pains me to no end that I never got a usable OS on the thing, >> mostly due to inability to find free Irix CDs. I have a keyboard for it, >> can't seem to find the mouse (might be OK with a ps/2 one). I have OEM Irix media of a vintage commensurate with your O2. (Media = several CD's in this case. Opposed to the alternative (vafgnyyvat ba n ohapu bs Punyyratr Y'f sebz QNG gncr) which is as much fun as it sounds.) From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 14:16:22 2011 From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:16:22 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] C++ help? Message-ID: So, I'm not a C++ developer. At all. But I got annoyed that the latest ubuntu "upgrade" broke KRename. It just segfaults. So, I'm stumbling around. Got a backtrace: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. QBasicAtomicInt::ref (this=0x0) at /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qatomic_x86_64.h:121 121 : "memory"); (gdb) backtrace #0 QBasicAtomicInt::ref (this=0x0) at /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qatomic_x86_64.h:121 #1 0x0000000000463c43 in __static_initialization_and_destruction_0 (__priority=65535, __initialize_p=1) at /home/Desktop/krename-4.0.7/src/plugin.cpp:22 #2 0x000000000048087d in __libc_csu_init () #3 0x00007ffff488c2a0 in __libc_start_main (main=0x41bcd0 , argc=1, ubp_av=0x7fffffffe108, init=0x480820 <__libc_csu_init>, fini=, rtld_fini=, stack_end=0x7fffffffe0f8) at libc-start.c:185 #4 0x000000000041e491 in _start () The line of code at plugin.cpp:22 is: const QString Plugin::S_TOKEN_SEPARATOR = TokenHelpDialog::S_TOKEN_SEPARATOR; TokenHelpDialog::S_TOKEN_SEPARATOR is defined as: const QString TokenHelpDialog::S_TOKEN_SEPARATOR = ";;"; in tokenHelpDialog.cpp If I modify the line where the segfault occurs to : const QString Plugin::S_TOKEN_SEPARATOR = ";;"; And compile it, it runs with out a segfault. What obvious thing am I missing about how C++ works? Thanks, Dan From jake.vath at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 14:36:27 2011 From: jake.vath at gmail.com (Jake Vath) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:36:27 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] C++ help? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Without having seen the code, is this first time you are assigning a value to *S_TOKEN_SEPARATOR*? const QString Plugin::S_TOKEN_SEPARATOR = ";;"; *S_TOKEN_SEPARATOR *is defined as being *const*, so that might be some trouble... Can you attach your source? What version of GCC are you using? -> Jake On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Dan Armbrust < daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com> wrote: > So, I'm not a C++ developer. At all. > > But I got annoyed that the latest ubuntu "upgrade" broke KRename. > > It just segfaults. > > So, I'm stumbling around. > > Got a backtrace: > > Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. > QBasicAtomicInt::ref (this=0x0) at > /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qatomic_x86_64.h:121 > 121 : "memory"); > (gdb) backtrace > #0 QBasicAtomicInt::ref (this=0x0) at > /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qatomic_x86_64.h:121 > #1 0x0000000000463c43 in __static_initialization_and_destruction_0 > (__priority=65535, __initialize_p=1) > at /home/Desktop/krename-4.0.7/src/plugin.cpp:22 > #2 0x000000000048087d in __libc_csu_init () > #3 0x00007ffff488c2a0 in __libc_start_main (main=0x41bcd0 char**)>, argc=1, ubp_av=0x7fffffffe108, > init=0x480820 <__libc_csu_init>, fini=, > rtld_fini=, stack_end=0x7fffffffe0f8) > at libc-start.c:185 > #4 0x000000000041e491 in _start () > > > The line of code at plugin.cpp:22 is: > > const QString Plugin::S_TOKEN_SEPARATOR = > TokenHelpDialog::S_TOKEN_SEPARATOR; > > TokenHelpDialog::S_TOKEN_SEPARATOR is defined as: > > const QString TokenHelpDialog::S_TOKEN_SEPARATOR = ";;"; > > in tokenHelpDialog.cpp > > If I modify the line where the segfault occurs to : > > const QString Plugin::S_TOKEN_SEPARATOR = ";;"; > > And compile it, it runs with out a segfault. > > What obvious thing am I missing about how C++ works? > > Thanks, > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at jfoo.org Fri Dec 30 14:35:55 2011 From: tclug at jfoo.org (John Gateley) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:35:55 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] C++ help? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EFE20AB.2040703@jfoo.org> The difference is in the second case, you are probably using a default constructor (depends on the compiler, but many compilers change 'Type variable = value' to 'Type variable(value)', and in the first case, you are using a genuine copy constructor. For some reason (this=0x0), you are copying from a null pointer. Somehow, looks like the TokenHelpDialog::S_TOKEN_SEPARATOR is not initalized yet when you are running that code. John On 12/30/2011 2:16 PM, Dan Armbrust wrote: > So, I'm not a C++ developer. At all. > > But I got annoyed that the latest ubuntu "upgrade" broke KRename. > > It just segfaults. > > So, I'm stumbling around. > > Got a backtrace: > > Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. > QBasicAtomicInt::ref (this=0x0) at /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qatomic_x86_64.h:121 > 121 : "memory"); > (gdb) backtrace > #0 QBasicAtomicInt::ref (this=0x0) at > /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qatomic_x86_64.h:121 > #1 0x0000000000463c43 in __static_initialization_and_destruction_0 > (__priority=65535, __initialize_p=1) > at /home/Desktop/krename-4.0.7/src/plugin.cpp:22 > #2 0x000000000048087d in __libc_csu_init () > #3 0x00007ffff488c2a0 in __libc_start_main (main=0x41bcd0 char**)>, argc=1, ubp_av=0x7fffffffe108, > init=0x480820<__libc_csu_init>, fini=, > rtld_fini=, stack_end=0x7fffffffe0f8) > at libc-start.c:185 > #4 0x000000000041e491 in _start () > > > The line of code at plugin.cpp:22 is: > > const QString Plugin::S_TOKEN_SEPARATOR = TokenHelpDialog::S_TOKEN_SEPARATOR; > > TokenHelpDialog::S_TOKEN_SEPARATOR is defined as: > > const QString TokenHelpDialog::S_TOKEN_SEPARATOR = ";;"; > > in tokenHelpDialog.cpp > > If I modify the line where the segfault occurs to : > > const QString Plugin::S_TOKEN_SEPARATOR = ";;"; > > And compile it, it runs with out a segfault. > > What obvious thing am I missing about how C++ works? > > Thanks, > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 14:49:36 2011 From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:49:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] C++ help? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Jake Vath wrote: > Without having seen the code, is this first time you are assigning a value > to S_TOKEN_SEPARATOR? > > >> const QString Plugin::S_TOKEN_SEPARATOR = ";;"; > > > ?S_TOKEN_SEPARATOR is defined as being const, so that might be some > trouble... > > Can you attach your source? Its from KRename http://www.krename.net/Stable.6.0.html > What version of GCC are you using? 4.6.1 KRename broke on my upgrade of ubuntu. Just trying to figure out why. From jake.vath at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 14:58:28 2011 From: jake.vath at gmail.com (Jake Vath) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:58:28 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] C++ help? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Interesting, I'll take a look at this. I'm at work at the moment, but I think that I *might* have to look at it when I get home. It looks like this is a known issue . Here is another link. -> Jake On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Dan Armbrust < daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Jake Vath wrote: > > Without having seen the code, is this first time you are assigning a > value > > to S_TOKEN_SEPARATOR? > > > > > >> const QString Plugin::S_TOKEN_SEPARATOR = ";;"; > > > > > > S_TOKEN_SEPARATOR is defined as being const, so that might be some > > trouble... > > > > Can you attach your source? > > Its from KRename > > http://www.krename.net/Stable.6.0.html > > > What version of GCC are you using? > > 4.6.1 > > KRename broke on my upgrade of ubuntu. Just trying to figure out why. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 15:15:08 2011 From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 15:15:08 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] C++ help? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yea, it has been known for a while. I was just proud that I found a fix (hack?) all by myself. At this point, I'm just trying to understand why it works. This is the core ubuntu bug (lots of dupes) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/krename/+bug/849882 The fedora folks figured it out a long time ago (unfortunately, I didn't see that thread till I had fixed my own): https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=684908 >From the fedora thread: "this is an issue with the order of static initializations in C++ not being defined, and the initializations now running in the wrong order." And, this explains what I didn't know about C++ (and neither did the original developer of KRename, apparently) http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/ctors.html#faq-10.14 Sigh. I'll stick with Java. Thanks, Dan From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Fri Dec 30 16:48:26 2011 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 16:48:26 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Off-site backup for Linux home users In-Reply-To: <20111230100926.429ce62d@prokofiev.trutwins.homeip.net> References: <20111230100926.429ce62d@prokofiev.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: Thank you for all the quick responses. I'll look into CrashPlan some more. I see my distro has a package for it, but I don't think my NAS will work with it as seamlessly as the rsync and web host provided backup server I have currently. VPS is just a tad pricey and limiting with transfer caps. As suggested, ideally I would have another server in an off-site location, which would probably the cheapest solution too. I used to run Linux on a small Shuttlebox running SSH and web services years ago in a different city with family until Comcast barked about running servers on a res line (not sure if they still care about this). Decisions, planning, and more decisions... -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Josh Trutwin wrote: > > Another vote for crashplan. ?Has many useful features. ?I use it > backup my parent's computer to my home file server. > > Another thing I do with my file server is I use a RAID-1 array and > got a 3rd drive. ?Every few months I swap one of the drives and take > the one back to work with me. > > Josh > > On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 08:10:46 -0600 > Jeff Jensen wrote: > > > Hi Jeremy! > > > > I recently evaluated this too, and chose CrashPlan.com. ?Key reasons > > include so many supported platforms, the software is free (only pay > > to backup to their cloud), can backup to peers for free (including > > your buddy's computer located elsewhere or local attached storage), > > and their cloud plans are either a cheap 10G or the rest are > > unlimited data amounts. ?Plus they're a local MN company (and I have > > professional acquaintance of at least one person working there, so I > > know it's a reasonable place). > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Jeremy MountainJohnson > > wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > I was wondering if anyone could recommend some off-site backup > > > solutions for home users that are Linux friendly? I currently get > > > some free, very throttled, backup space through a web host that I > > > may leave soon if I can find a cheaper alternative. Currently I > > > use SFTP (SSH) with rsync and encfs (like mcrypt but folder level > > > via FUSE). So basically I would need to be able to mount the > > > storage in Linux (sole web interfaces are not an option). I need > > > about 50 GB with future growth of up to around 250 GB (probably > > > the absolute max I would need). > > > > > > Any thoughts or suggestions? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > -- > > > Jeremy MountainJohnson > > > Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Dec 30 17:04:51 2011 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 17:04:51 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] C++ help? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 3:15 PM, Dan Armbrust wrote: > > Yea, it has been known for a while. > > I was just proud that I found a fix (hack?) all by myself. > > At this point, I'm just trying to understand why it works. > > This is the core ubuntu bug (lots of dupes) > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/krename/+bug/849882 > > The fedora folks figured it out a long time ago (unfortunately, I > didn't see that thread till I had fixed my own): > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=684908 > > From the fedora thread: > > "this is an issue with the order of static initializations in C++ not > being defined, and the initializations now running in the wrong > order." > > And, this explains what I didn't know about C++ (and neither did the > original developer of KRename, apparently) > > http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/ctors.html#faq-10.14 > > Sigh. ?I'll stick with Java. > Yes, Java defines the order of static initialization, C++ doesn't. The basic problem with static initialization in C++ is that you can't guarantee when a static variable will be initialized, especially when it is used from a different compilation unit (file). If you really need a static variable, especially one that can be modified, then here's a pattern that is safe to use: static A &getA() { static A singleton(parameters); return singleton; } If you put a method like this in your class and then everywhere you would use the static variable you instead call the function getA, then you're good. The static variable inside the function is guaranteed to be evaluated the first time the function is called and therefore you know the order of initialization. The return value being by reference (the "&") allows you to assign back to the variable inside the function: getA() = some_other_A; -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe From sraun at fireopal.org Fri Dec 30 21:35:06 2011 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 21:35:06 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Off-site backup for Linux home users In-Reply-To: <20111230100926.429ce62d@prokofiev.trutwins.homeip.net> References: <20111230100926.429ce62d@prokofiev.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <20111231033506.GD24233@fireopal.org> Yet another vote for crashplan - I've got it running on my wife's Ubuntu laptop backing up to the house Debian file-server. I may set up something off-site at some future time - right now I'm happy with my manual backups for everything except her laptop. She can be kind of hard on her laptops, and needs the seamless backup. On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 10:09:26AM -0600, Josh Trutwin wrote: > Another vote for crashplan. Has many useful features. I use it > backup my parent's computer to my home file server. > > Another thing I do with my file server is I use a RAID-1 array and > got a 3rd drive. Every few months I swap one of the drives and take > the one back to work with me. > > Josh > > On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 08:10:46 -0600 > Jeff Jensen wrote: > > > Hi Jeremy! > > > > I recently evaluated this too, and chose CrashPlan.com. Key reasons > > include so many supported platforms, the software is free (only pay > > to backup to their cloud), can backup to peers for free (including > > your buddy's computer located elsewhere or local attached storage), > > and their cloud plans are either a cheap 10G or the rest are > > unlimited data amounts. Plus they're a local MN company (and I have > > professional acquaintance of at least one person working there, so I > > know it's a reasonable place). > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Jeremy MountainJohnson > > wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > I was wondering if anyone could recommend some off-site backup > > > solutions for home users that are Linux friendly? I currently get > > > some free, very throttled, backup space through a web host that I > > > may leave soon if I can find a cheaper alternative. Currently I > > > use SFTP (SSH) with rsync and encfs (like mcrypt but folder level > > > via FUSE). So basically I would need to be able to mount the > > > storage in Linux (sole web interfaces are not an option). I need > > > about 50 GB with future growth of up to around 250 GB (probably > > > the absolute max I would need). > > > > > > Any thoughts or suggestions? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > -- > > > Jeremy MountainJohnson > > > Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Scott Raun sraun at fireopal.org From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com Sat Dec 31 12:34:28 2011 From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 12:34:28 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Off-site backup for Linux home users In-Reply-To: References: <20111230100926.429ce62d@prokofiev.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: > As suggested, ideally I would have another server in an off-site > location, which would probably the cheapest solution too. I used to > run Linux on a small Shuttlebox running SSH and web services years ago > in a different city with family until Comcast barked about running > servers on a res line (not sure if they still care about this). > Decisions, planning, and more decisions... Comcast in the TC has been good about this... I've been running server(s) for years off a residential line, and they don't seem to care. If you want cheap... just buy a big harddrive, copy your stuff to it, and drop it in a fire safe. Not exactly off-site.... but covers you for your most common perils. From andyzib at gmail.com Sat Dec 31 14:05:22 2011 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 14:05:22 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Off-site backup for Linux home users In-Reply-To: References: <20111230100926.429ce62d@prokofiev.trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: Yet another vote for CrashPlan here. I backup to my computers to my own storage server as well as CrashPlan's cloud. I've setup most of my family to backup to my storage server via CrashPlan as well. One of the many nice features of CrashPlan is you can use it to backup any storage device attached to your computer, including USB and FireWire hard drives. You aren't limited to internal drives only like you are with Carbonite and their unlimited storage option is really unlimited (looking at you Mozy.) -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kenlynes at usa.net Sat Dec 31 16:04:23 2011 From: kenlynes at usa.net (Kenneth Lynes) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 16:04:23 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] ubuntu 11.10 Message-ID: <611PLEwDX4304S01.1325369063@web01.cms.usa.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This isn't as simple as it used to be, and I haven't tried it myself yet, since I tend to make sparing use of the GUI on my linux box, but I saw a link to this on Lifehacker recently: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/how-to-make-ubuntu-11-10-look-and-feel-like-gnome-2/ It looks like it would be worth a try, if that's what you're looking for. - Justin From pjcrump at gmail.com Sat Dec 31 21:42:49 2011 From: pjcrump at gmail.com (Phillip Crump) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:42:49 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Servers Free For The Interested Message-ID: I have been migrating to the ubiquitous Amazon cloud and no longer have a need for some equipment. Figured I would offer it to the list prior to dropping it at Bet Buy for recycling. - a pair of 1U Dell P1550 servers, each has Dual 1GHZ P3 with (I believe) 2048MB of memory. Servers are SCSI and each has 3 drives (each 18GB) installed with RAID. I used to have Centos installed on them. If you ever wanted to explore the joys of RAID configuration, this is your chance. I also have 1 set of Server Rails. - 8 SCSI cards from a variety of mfgs - extra 18GB SCSI drive - I DOD wiped one of the servers, the other wont boot but otherwise comes up fine. I really don't want to separate the stuff, so email only if you want it all. I live in shoreview and can meet at any coffee shop in the area. *email me at pjcrump at gmail dot com * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Sat Dec 31 22:52:02 2011 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 22:52:02 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] ubuntu 11.10 In-Reply-To: References: <611PLEwDX4304S01.1325369063@web01.cms.usa.net> Message-ID: > > > Does anyone know of a way to keep using the classic layout? I do not > want to > > upgrade yet from 11.04 because I understand it will not allow using that. > mint 12 MGSE might align with what you're looking for (tho i'm still stuck on my "classic" custom system.twmrc..) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: