From tclug1 at greatlakedata.com Sat Jan 1 08:01:32 2011 From: tclug1 at greatlakedata.com (greg wm) Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 08:01:32 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Beginning Linux stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: i got started at Kurzweil Computer Products programming page perusal for the Kurzweil Reading Machine for the Blind. when it kept crashing, i wrote a memory test to prove it was the hardware. that led to writing more diagnostics, then realtime control. that was DG nova and derivatives. then we switched to SunOS for development. a few years later i'm having a blast, much more fun than staring contests with crt's, pulling wires with friends, installing networks and linux servers, but then also tweaking databases and javascript, and sheparding virtual linux services, all as a contractor these days. why linux? it's the grassroots groundswell community of computing. what the world needs today, is to bring that mindset enthusiastically into manifesting community level grassroots groundswells of sustainable soft energy technology. yes you have my permission, with attribution of course. -gregwm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110101/4404b5b4/attachment.htm From djsteinhafel at gmail.com Sat Jan 1 13:33:40 2011 From: djsteinhafel at gmail.com (djs) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 13:33:40 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Beginning Linux stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1293910420.2163.38.camel@ub> I learned of GNU/Linux operating systems sometime around the 2000th Gregorian calendar year -- and that computer enthusiasts and scientists used them because of their stability, transparency, and cost. I experimented with dual-booting for a decade; it's been over a year since I last installed a proprietary operating system on my machine. The *nix culture follows various design and implementation ideals, and has an educated, supportive online community of both computer professionals and hobbyists. Everyone deserves an operating system that respects them; Thankfully GNU/Linux distributions do and I'm happy to announce myself as a user and proponent of them. My name is David and I use Linux! From jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us Sat Jan 1 20:40:37 2011 From: jmk at kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us (James Kaufman) Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 20:40:37 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Beginning Linux stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D1FE5A5.8000608@kaufman.eden-prairie.mn.us> I was using a BBS back around 1992 called Part Time BBS and saw a new entry there called 'Linux'. I ignored it for a few days, then thought I would download it and see what it was. Linux was broken down into a bunch of floppy disk size images, supplied by a distro called SLS (Soft Landing Systems). Part Time BBS had a download limit, so I was able to download a couple of images a day, and needed to do that for a week or so before I had enough pieces to boot up a system. Once I started I was committed to getting all the pieces. I did that, running command line for a while, then started playing with X based apps. By 1995, I decided to only run Linux at home and currently have six full time Linux boxes running (personal desktop, wife's desktop, web server, mythtv, ...), and sometimes a laptop. Unfortunately, my current job is Windows based, but I've snuck in a couple of CentOS boxes and are doing an Oracle conversion for a customer that runs on Linux. Jim From chrome at real-time.com Mon Jan 3 08:55:56 2011 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 08:55:56 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Beginning Linux stories In-Reply-To: ; from ronsmailbox5@gmail.com on Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 06:24:39PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20110103085556.A29161@real-time.com> On 12/31 06:24 , r j wrote: > I am collecting stories about how people got started using Linux. > Please share yours. if you send it to TClug I would like your permission to > use it on my blog. > http://www.ron-l-j.com/blog/ I first learned about Linux when I was riding the bus at the University I went to; and one of the foreign exchange students had a thick green book with (I think) a picture of God and Adam holding network cables out to each other. I asked him "What's that?" He said "that's Linux." I said "what's Linux?" I wasn't ready to trust my one and only computer to a dual-boot configuration; so I put off trying Linux until I had my first real job after college. About November 1998 I convinced the company to buy a copy of Red Hat 5.1. The secretary brought the box back to my area and said "did you order some red hats?" I immediately fell in love with it for two reasons: Red Hat 5 introduced language localizations, and Donnie Barnes at Red Hat translated the Linux installer into 'redneck'. So it asked questions like "wud yoo like to floormat yer hard drive?", "Whut kind of CD-ROM do you have? [x] SCSI CD-ROM [ ] Crappy CD-ROM", and "Congradupations yew is dun!" I loved an OS that could laugh at itself. I also loved the fact that I could talk to it in complete sentences rather than use a point and grunt interface. I'd briefly used some Unix boxen back in college; but here was my first chance to really install software and set things up my way. 12 years later, I still feel like a n00b compared to the guys who were using it since the days when it fit on a 5.25" floppy. :) -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From admin at lctn.org Mon Jan 3 14:21:21 2011 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:21:21 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] script help Message-ID: <4D222FC1.7020206@lctn.org> I need to come up with a shell script that will launch another script when a specific host is detected on the network. This is for an network backup system. The host is always off-line when the back up runs at the night and I want to fire the backup off when it comes back on-line. The script would run on the backup server as a cron job, and needs to call the backup script only once per day. The backup server is Linux. The host is Windows XP. From jus at krytosvirus.com Mon Jan 3 15:04:29 2011 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:04:29 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] script help In-Reply-To: <4D222FC1.7020206@lctn.org> References: <4D222FC1.7020206@lctn.org> Message-ID: <1294088669.15599.79.camel@sysadmin3a> Does the windows XP machine always have the same IP address or at least on the same subnet as the backup server when it is online? Can you possibly have the Windows XP host run a script automatically when it is online that will trigger the backup process? -----Original Message----- From: Raymond Norton Reply-to: TCLUG Mailing List To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: [tclug-list] script help Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:21:21 -0600 Mailer: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100423 Thunderbird/3.0.4 I need to come up with a shell script that will launch another script when a specific host is detected on the network. This is for an network backup system. The host is always off-line when the back up runs at the night and I want to fire the backup off when it comes back on-line. The script would run on the backup server as a cron job, and needs to call the backup script only once per day. The backup server is Linux. The host is Windows XP. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110103/85c7a23a/attachment.htm From admin at lctn.org Mon Jan 3 15:04:20 2011 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 15:04:20 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] script help In-Reply-To: <1294088669.15599.79.camel@sysadmin3a> Message-ID: <25760621.01294088660382.JavaMail.root@mail.lctn.org> Yes, it will have the same address . I would prefer to run it from the backup server, but am open to anything that is simple. ----- "Justin Krejci" wrote: > Does the windows XP machine always have the same IP address or at least on the same subnet as the backup server when it is online? > > Can you possibly have the Windows XP host run a script automatically when it is online that will trigger the backup process? > > -----Original Message----- > From : Raymond Norton < admin at lctn.org > > Reply-to : TCLUG Mailing List > To : tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject : [tclug-list] script help > Date : Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:21:21 -0600 > Mailer : Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100423 Thunderbird/3.0.4 > > I need to come up with a shell script that will launch another script when a specific host is detected on the network. This is for an network backup system. The host is always off-line when the back up runs at the night and I want to fire the backup off when it comes back on-line. The script would run on the backup server as a cron job, and needs to call the backup script only once per day. The backup server is Linux. The host is Windows XP. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner , and is > believed to be clean. > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Raymond Norton LCTN Ecclesiastes 7:21-22 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110103/5c7a9aa8/attachment.htm From Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com Mon Jan 3 15:48:04 2011 From: Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com (Smith, Craig A) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 16:48:04 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Buffalo or Cisco/Linksys?? In-Reply-To: References: <1807968286.50027.1287541001725.JavaMail.root@sz0147a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><36907.8768.qm@web53808.mail.re2.yahoo.com><352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E606B5AE19@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E60742393F@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> Answer: Buffalo, but not with the manufacture?s firmware. On Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:27, J Cruit wrote: > I do go through the linksys routers ? but my favorite professional grade (but still affordable) APs are > the Ubiquti line (http://www.ubnt.com/ ). I've got a couple of the PicoStation2 HP ones and a Bullet2 as well. > But they have the new AirRouter line out which would pretty much meet your requirements and looks like it is only 39$ or so. Thanks for the link ? I ordered the Ubiquity AirRouter but it was backlogged until recently. Works fine - port forwarding puts my Linux server and a pair of security cameras on the ?net. However, I have a couple of issues with their ?AirOS? (based on BusyBox). While there?s built-in support for DynDns (although I did not test), there is no easily accessed status page for my ddclient (running on another host) to get my global ip. I can see my ip address with a browser, but the html source is a maze of JavaScript. I can use http://whatismyip.org/ to serve the purpose, but that?s more complex and less reliable. More annoyingly, I cannot use my dyndns.org name (which resolves to my globally unique dynamic ip) within the LAN - since this connects to the router?s web-interface instead. I tried adding a static route but must use 192.168.xxx.xxx to access hosts internally. So I picked up a Buffalo WHR-G300N with a 2 year warranty at Microcenter for $40. As delivered, the firmware was clunky, slow, and also did not route global ip requests within the LAN as desired. Although Buffalo?s web-site doesn?t mention DD-WRT for this model, I found it included at http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices#Buffalo and successfully flashed using the ?first time? bin with the Buffalo interface. This is my first experience with DD-WRT and I am very impressed: fast, intuitive, more features, and I can use my DynDns.org subdomain within the LAN again. I?ll let you know how it holds up since my Tenda router is no longer working satisfactorily. About 3 months ago, I noticed inbound Vonage calls dropped after a couple of seconds. Callers could still hear me, but I could not hear them about 30% of the time. By plugging a handset directly into the Vonage adapter, I was able to rule out my FAX machine, security system, and other phones. I was ready to indite either the Vonage service or hardware until I swapped out the router ? problem solved. I put the Tenda back into service and the problem retuned. For now, my recommendation stands: when buying cheap consumer-grade routers, buy several since they don?t last. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110103/e2e003bb/attachment-0001.htm From jhawley at hissingdragon.net Mon Jan 3 15:56:40 2011 From: jhawley at hissingdragon.net (John Hawley) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:56:40 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] script help In-Reply-To: <25760621.01294088660382.JavaMail.root@mail.lctn.org> References: <25760621.01294088660382.JavaMail.root@mail.lctn.org> Message-ID: <4D224618.1020809@hissingdragon.net> #!/bin/bash HOST="windowshostname" CMD="ping -c1 $HOST" CMD_RET=`$CMD` # echo $CMD_RET NOWDATE=`date +%Y%m%d` if [ -f ping_check.txt ]; then FILEDATE=`cat ping_check.txt` else FILEDATE=0 fi if [ $NOWDATE -ne $FILEDATE ]; then if [[ $CMD_RET =~ ", 0% packet loss" ]] then echo "$HOST pinged ..." echo $NOWDATE > ping_check.txt # run backup script else echo "$HOST did not ping ..." fi fi exit On 01/03/2011 03:04 PM, Raymond Norton wrote: > Yes, it will have the same address . I would prefer to run it from the > backup server, but am open to anything that is simple. > > > ----- "Justin Krejci" wrote: > > Does the windows XP machine always have the same IP address or at > least on the same subnet as the backup server when it is online? > > > > Can you possibly have the Windows XP host run a script automatically > when it is online that will trigger the backup process? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > *From*: Raymond Norton > > > *Reply-to*: TCLUG Mailing List > > *To*: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > *Subject*: [tclug-list] script help > > *Date*: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:21:21 -0600 > > *Mailer*: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) > Gecko/20100423 Thunderbird/3.0.4 > > > > > I need to come up with a shell script that will launch another script > when a specific host is detected on the network. This is for an network > backup system. The host is always off-line when the back up runs at the > night and I want to fire the backup off when it comes back on-line. > > The script would run on the backup server as a cron job, and needs to > call the backup script only once per day. > > The backup server is Linux. The host is Windows XP. > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , > and is > > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Raymond Norton > LCTN > Ecclesiastes 7:21-22 > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110103/e66a7c2d/attachment.htm From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Mon Jan 3 17:19:57 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 17:19:57 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] turning off touchpad in Ubuntu on Asus Eee PC 1005HA Message-ID: Wouldn't you know that I wrote all the stuff below and then found a great answer here: http://www.bernawebdesign.ch/byteblog/2010/10/14/ubuntu-10-10-maverick-meerkat-on-eeepc-1005-ha/ That's better than I hoped for -- it turns off the tapping functionality of the pad, which is really what I needed. The pad always works to move the mouse and clicking the buttons still works, but tapping the pad does nothing, so I can't accidentally move the cursor while typing in emacs, say. I think I was sometimes pasting by tapping -- not sure how (could it be ctrl-tap?), but that was often a real nightmare. I tested the script and it's working. I might try to bind it to a button or to Fn-F3, but that hardly matters to me. I think I'm OK with leaving it in the tap-off state all the time. This means I can use my netbook without screaming. It's great having this community with people who share their excellent code and help so many of us. I just linked the script to the little silver key. It works. It wasn't too hard to do, but the trick was to first *search* for "keyboard shortcuts", then add the full path to the script, save, highlight the new line (under Custom Shortcuts), press the little silver key, close. I guess the little silver key is called "XF86Tools". (Of course you have to save the script and make it executable.) Another point: I was using Netbook Remix, but with 10.10 it looks like they've done away with that and replaced it with something else. Something I don't like as much. In fact, I would say that with 10.10, I found nothing better and many things worse. It also lost some of my settings, like not automatically maximizing new windows -- now they are maximizing again. What I was going to say: I love this little netbook, but there's one thing that makes me crazy: The touchpad is very close to the space bar and it's really impossible to type comfortably without sometimes hitting the touchpad with the thumb. The consequences of this misake can be very disruptive and annoying. Does anybody here have a similar machine and know how to turn off the touchpad and turn it back on? I'm using Ubuntu 10.10, now, but was using 9.10 and 10.04 before this and could never get Fn-F3 to toggle touch pad on/off consistently. It used to turn it off (in 10.04, Netbook Remix, I think), but then it would turn itself back on pretty quickly. There is also a silver button on the top left side of the keyboard that is supposed to turn off the touchpad. It does nothing, but man, that would be fantastic if it worked. Mike From Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com Mon Jan 3 21:36:43 2011 From: Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com (Smith, Craig A) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 22:36:43 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Qwest and blocked ports In-Reply-To: <4D1C9E6E.7010909@hissingdragon.net> References: <4D1C9E6E.7010909@hissingdragon.net> Message-ID: <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6074239B0@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> John Hawley wrote: > I've run a mail server on comcast for about 5 years with no problems > with blockage. I do have to use them as a relay to get around the > problem of mail rejection from a source ip being in a dynamic range. Same here. Once Gmail and others stopped accepting mail from my dynamic ip address, I used the smtp.comcast.net relay on port 25. A few months ago, Comcast stopped doing that. I understand they still relay on port 587 but I haven't figured out how to make it work (requires encryption, Comcast user-id and password). If anyone has been able to make this work, I would appreciate any pointers. From ryanjcole at me.com Mon Jan 3 21:43:39 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 21:43:39 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Qwest and blocked ports In-Reply-To: <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6074239B0@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> References: <4D1C9E6E.7010909@hissingdragon.net> <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6074239B0@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <7CA2C121-4E9E-423E-92D7-49000C2E77F6@me.com> On Jan 3, 2011, at 9:36 PM, Smith, Craig A wrote: > John Hawley wrote: > >> I've run a mail server on comcast for about 5 years with no problems >> with blockage. I do have to use them as a relay to get around the >> problem of mail rejection from a source ip being in a dynamic range. > > Same here. Once Gmail and others stopped accepting mail from my > dynamic ip address, I used the smtp.comcast.net relay on port 25. > > A few months ago, Comcast stopped doing that. I understand they still > relay on port 587 but I haven't figured out how to make it work > (requires encryption, Comcast user-id and password). > > If anyone has been able to make this work, I would appreciate any > pointers. I recommend a Comcast.net account, subscription and using those passwords and usernames. Works for me. From tclug at jfoo.org Mon Jan 3 21:44:08 2011 From: tclug at jfoo.org (John Gateley) Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 21:44:08 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Qwest and blocked ports In-Reply-To: <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6074239B0@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> References: <4D1C9E6E.7010909@hissingdragon.net> <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6074239B0@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <4D229788.4030706@jfoo.org> One way to make this work is to get a VM on linode.com or similar, and put your mail server there. Then you can have a dedicated IP address etc. It does cost a little, but then you don't have to worry about smtp relays etc. John On 1/3/11 9:36 PM, Smith, Craig A wrote: > John Hawley wrote: > >> I've run a mail server on comcast for about 5 years with no problems >> with blockage. I do have to use them as a relay to get around the >> problem of mail rejection from a source ip being in a dynamic range. > > Same here. Once Gmail and others stopped accepting mail from my > dynamic ip address, I used the smtp.comcast.net relay on port 25. > > A few months ago, Comcast stopped doing that. I understand they still > relay on port 587 but I haven't figured out how to make it work > (requires encryption, Comcast user-id and password). > > If anyone has been able to make this work, I would appreciate any > pointers. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Tue Jan 4 09:14:19 2011 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 09:14:19 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] script help In-Reply-To: <4D224618.1020809@hissingdragon.net> References: <25760621.01294088660382.JavaMail.root@mail.lctn.org> <4D224618.1020809@hissingdragon.net> Message-ID: <4D23394B.60306@lctn.org> Took a couple hours of pounding away, but yeah, the script works perfectly with my backup solution! Thanks On 01/03/2011 03:56 PM, John Hawley wrote: > #!/bin/bash > > HOST="windowshostname" > > CMD="ping -c1 $HOST" > CMD_RET=`$CMD` > # echo $CMD_RET > NOWDATE=`date +%Y%m%d` > > if [ -f ping_check.txt ]; > then > FILEDATE=`cat ping_check.txt` > else > FILEDATE=0 > fi > > if [ $NOWDATE -ne $FILEDATE ]; > then > if [[ $CMD_RET =~ ", 0% packet loss" ]] > then > echo "$HOST pinged ..." > echo $NOWDATE > ping_check.txt > # run backup script > else > echo "$HOST did not ping ..." > fi > fi > > exit > > > > On 01/03/2011 03:04 PM, Raymond Norton wrote: >> Yes, it will have the same address . I would prefer to run it from >> the backup server, but am open to anything that is simple. >> >> >> ----- "Justin Krejci" wrote: >> > Does the windows XP machine always have the same IP address or at >> least on the same subnet as the backup server when it is online? >> > >> > Can you possibly have the Windows XP host run a script >> automatically when it is online that will trigger the backup process? >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > *From*: Raymond Norton > > >> > *Reply-to*: TCLUG Mailing List >> > *To*: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > *Subject*: [tclug-list] script help >> > *Date*: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:21:21 -0600 >> > *Mailer*: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) >> Gecko/20100423 Thunderbird/3.0.4 >> > >> > >> I need to come up with a shell script that will launch another script >> when a specific host is detected on the network. This is for an network >> backup system. The host is always off-line when the back up runs at the >> night and I want to fire the backup off when it comes back on-line. >> >> The script would run on the backup server as a cron job, and needs to >> call the backup script only once per day. >> >> The backup server is Linux. The host is Windows XP. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > -- >> > This message has been scanned for viruses and >> > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , >> and is >> > believed to be clean. >> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List >> - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> -- >> Raymond Norton >> LCTN >> Ecclesiastes 7:21-22 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110104/23e36e63/attachment-0001.htm From random at argle.org Tue Jan 4 09:33:47 2011 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 09:33:47 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] sda/sdb inconsistent In-Reply-To: <4D1D157F.4090400@mtu.net> References: <4D1D0B4F.5030507@gmail.com> <1293750755.25390.1412859871@webmail.messagingengine.com> <4D1D157F.4090400@mtu.net> Message-ID: <4D233DDB.2020503@argle.org> grub-install to both disks should do the job along with the UUID trick. Another option that I have been becoming more fond of lately is making filesystems with labels using the -L flag to mkfs, then using LABEL=foo in /etc/fstab. This has the added advantage that you can swap disks out completely and have the new one show up right where you wanted it. This is particularly useful for removable media where the FS label is used to determine the /media mount point. On 12/30/2010 05:27 PM, Jon Schewe wrote: > This doesn't help. If BIOS randomly changes the order of the drives, > then you need to install an MBR on both disks that make it think it's > hd0. Where most people run into this (usually too late) is when the > first drive in a software RAID array fails and then you reboot. Unless > you've installed grub in the MBR on all disks, then you will not boot. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhawley at hissingdragon.net Tue Jan 4 10:03:17 2011 From: jhawley at hissingdragon.net (John Hawley) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 10:03:17 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Qwest and blocked ports In-Reply-To: <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6074239B0@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> References: <4D1C9E6E.7010909@hissingdragon.net> <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6074239B0@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <4D2344C5.700@hissingdragon.net> On 01/03/2011 09:36 PM, Smith, Craig A wrote: > John Hawley wrote: > >> I've run a mail server on comcast for about 5 years with no problems >> with blockage. I do have to use them as a relay to get around the >> problem of mail rejection from a source ip being in a dynamic range. > Same here. Once Gmail and others stopped accepting mail from my > dynamic ip address, I used the smtp.comcast.net relay on port 25. > > A few months ago, Comcast stopped doing that. I understand they still > relay on port 587 but I haven't figured out how to make it work > (requires encryption, Comcast user-id and password). > > If anyone has been able to make this work, I would appreciate any Not doing anything special ... I just point postfix at smtp.comcast.net, and it just accepts. Jan 4 10:00:10 snorlax-ml postfix/qmgr[22326]: B6C331583FF: from=, size=1151, nrcpt=1 (queue active) Jan 4 10:00:10 snorlax-ml postfix/smtp[22345]: 494221583F4: to=, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024, delay=0.49, delays=0.03/0/0/0.45, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Ok, id=20558-03, from MTA([127.0.0.1]:10025): 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as B6C331583FF) Jan 4 10:00:10 snorlax-ml postfix/qmgr[22326]: 494221583F4: removed Jan 4 10:00:10 snorlax-ml postfix/smtpd[22459]: disconnect from localhost.localdomain[127.0.0.1] Jan 4 10:00:24 snorlax-ml postfix/smtp[24368]: B6C331583FF: to=, relay=smtp.comcast.net[76.96.30.117]:25, delay=14, delays=0.01/0.01/1.8/12, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 rTyz1f00r0P9fHN8ZTz02a mail accepted for delivery) From admin at lctn.org Tue Jan 4 16:07:50 2011 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 16:07:50 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] script help In-Reply-To: <4D23394B.60306@lctn.org> References: <25760621.01294088660382.JavaMail.root@mail.lctn.org> <4D224618.1020809@hissingdragon.net> <4D23394B.60306@lctn.org> Message-ID: <4D239A36.6070904@lctn.org> How should this script be run from cron? I tried appending > /dev/null, but can't get it to run like it does from the command line. On 01/04/2011 09:14 AM, Raymond Norton wrote: > Took a couple hours of pounding away, but yeah, the script works > perfectly with my backup solution! > > > Thanks > > > > > > > On 01/03/2011 03:56 PM, John Hawley wrote: >> #!/bin/bash >> >> HOST="windowshostname" >> >> CMD="ping -c1 $HOST" >> CMD_RET=`$CMD` >> # echo $CMD_RET >> NOWDATE=`date +%Y%m%d` >> >> if [ -f ping_check.txt ]; >> then >> FILEDATE=`cat ping_check.txt` >> else >> FILEDATE=0 >> fi >> >> if [ $NOWDATE -ne $FILEDATE ]; >> then >> if [[ $CMD_RET =~ ", 0% packet loss" ]] >> then >> echo "$HOST pinged ..." >> echo $NOWDATE > ping_check.txt >> # run backup script >> else >> echo "$HOST did not ping ..." >> fi >> fi >> >> exit >> >> >> >> On 01/03/2011 03:04 PM, Raymond Norton wrote: >>> Yes, it will have the same address . I would prefer to run it from >>> the backup server, but am open to anything that is simple. >>> >>> >>> ----- "Justin Krejci" wrote: >>> > Does the windows XP machine always have the same IP address or at >>> least on the same subnet as the backup server when it is online? >>> > >>> > Can you possibly have the Windows XP host run a script >>> automatically when it is online that will trigger the backup process? >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > *From*: Raymond Norton >> > >>> > *Reply-to*: TCLUG Mailing List >>> > *To*: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> > *Subject*: [tclug-list] script help >>> > *Date*: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:21:21 -0600 >>> > *Mailer*: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) >>> Gecko/20100423 Thunderbird/3.0.4 >>> > >>> > >>> I need to come up with a shell script that will launch another script >>> when a specific host is detected on the network. This is for an network >>> backup system. The host is always off-line when the back up runs at the >>> night and I want to fire the backup off when it comes back on-line. >>> >>> The script would run on the backup server as a cron job, and needs to >>> call the backup script only once per day. >>> >>> The backup server is Linux. The host is Windows XP. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> > -- >>> > This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , >>> and is >>> > believed to be clean. >>> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List >>> - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> -- >>> Raymond Norton >>> LCTN >>> Ecclesiastes 7:21-22 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by *MailScanner* , >> and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110104/27b97374/attachment.htm From Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com Tue Jan 4 16:24:46 2011 From: Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com (Smith, Craig A) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 17:24:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] script help In-Reply-To: <4D239A36.6070904@lctn.org> References: <25760621.01294088660382.JavaMail.root@mail.lctn.org> <4D224618.1020809@hissingdragon.net><4D23394B.60306@lctn.org> <4D239A36.6070904@lctn.org> Message-ID: <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6074968FA@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> Raymond Norton wrote: > I tried appending > /dev/null, but can't get it to run like it does from the command line. Does it send an annoying email every time it runs? If so, try adding \; > /dev/null 2>&1 to the end of crontab entry. For example: 1-59/10 * * * * /path-to-script/scrip.sh \; > /dev/null 2>&1 will silently run the script every 10min. From admin at lctn.org Tue Jan 4 18:40:56 2011 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 18:40:56 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] script help In-Reply-To: <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6074968FA@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> References: <25760621.01294088660382.JavaMail.root@mail.lctn.org> <4D224618.1020809@hissingdragon.net><4D23394B.60306@lctn.org> <4D239A36.6070904@lctn.org> <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6074968FA@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <4D23BE18.5010808@lctn.org> That did not do the trick. This is the script: (It does not seem to execute, but cron shows it ran. The backup script works fine via cron, but does not get executed when called from this script) #!/bin/bash HOST="windowshostname" CMD="ping -c1 $HOST" CMD_RET=`$CMD` # echo $CMD_RET NOWDATE=`date +%Y%m%d` if [ -f ping_check.txt ]; then FILEDATE=`cat ping_check.txt` else FILEDATE=0 fi if [ $NOWDATE -ne $FILEDATE ]; then if [[ $CMD_RET =~ ", 0% packet loss" ]] then echo "$HOST pinged ..." echo $NOWDATE > ping_check.txt # run backup script else echo "$HOST did not ping ..." fi fi exit On 01/04/2011 04:24 PM, Smith, Craig A wrote: > Raymond Norton wrote: > > >> I tried appending> /dev/null, but can't get it to run like it does from the command line. >> > > Does it send an annoying email every time it runs? > > If so, try adding \;> /dev/null 2>&1 > to the end of crontab entry. > > For example: > > 1-59/10 * * * * /path-to-script/scrip.sh \;> /dev/null 2>&1 > > will silently run the script every 10min. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From jglouisjr at gmail.com Tue Jan 4 19:31:01 2011 From: jglouisjr at gmail.com (James Louis) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 19:31:01 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] script help In-Reply-To: <4D23BE18.5010808@lctn.org> References: <25760621.01294088660382.JavaMail.root@mail.lctn.org> <4D224618.1020809@hissingdragon.net> <4D23394B.60306@lctn.org> <4D239A36.6070904@lctn.org> <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6074968FA@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> <4D23BE18.5010808@lctn.org> Message-ID: add a +x to the first line "#!/bin/bash -x" and run the script. On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Raymond Norton wrote: > That did not do the trick. > > This is the script: (It does not seem to execute, but cron shows it ran. > The backup script works fine via cron, but does not get executed when > called from this script) > > #!/bin/bash > > HOST="windowshostname" > > CMD="ping -c1 $HOST" > CMD_RET=`$CMD` > # echo $CMD_RET > NOWDATE=`date +%Y%m%d` > > if [ -f ping_check.txt ]; > then > FILEDATE=`cat ping_check.txt` > else > FILEDATE=0 > fi > > if [ $NOWDATE -ne $FILEDATE ]; > then > if [[ $CMD_RET =~ ", 0% packet loss" ]] > then > echo "$HOST pinged ..." > echo $NOWDATE > ping_check.txt > # run backup script > else > echo "$HOST did not ping ..." > fi > fi > > exit > > > > On 01/04/2011 04:24 PM, Smith, Craig A wrote: > > Raymond Norton wrote: > > > > > >> I tried appending> /dev/null, but can't get it to run like it does from > the command line. > >> > > > > Does it send an annoying email every time it runs? > > > > If so, try adding \;> /dev/null 2>&1 > > to the end of crontab entry. > > > > For example: > > > > 1-59/10 * * * * /path-to-script/scrip.sh \;> /dev/null 2>&1 > > > > will silently run the script every 10min. > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- ?Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn?t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.? ? Mark Twain -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110104/573aeefd/attachment.htm From admin at lctn.org Tue Jan 4 20:48:32 2011 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 20:48:32 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] script help In-Reply-To: References: <25760621.01294088660382.JavaMail.root@mail.lctn.org> <4D224618.1020809@hissingdragon.net> <4D23394B.60306@lctn.org> <4D239A36.6070904@lctn.org> <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6074968FA@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> <4D23BE18.5010808@lctn.org> Message-ID: <4D23DC00.9010306@lctn.org> The script runs just fine from a terminal window and -x shows all is well. It just doesn't fire off from cron On 01/04/2011 07:31 PM, James Louis wrote: > #!/bin/bash -x From jhawley at hissingdragon.net Tue Jan 4 20:47:03 2011 From: jhawley at hissingdragon.net (John Hawley) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 20:47:03 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] script help In-Reply-To: <4D239A36.6070904@lctn.org> References: <25760621.01294088660382.JavaMail.root@mail.lctn.org> <4D224618.1020809@hissingdragon.net> <4D23394B.60306@lctn.org> <4D239A36.6070904@lctn.org> Message-ID: <4D23DBA7.60207@hissingdragon.net> Well, what does it do? So you can see from the logs that cron executes the file, but doesn't appear to do anything? My cron sends me an email on each execution (if there is any output from the script). Put more 'echo' commands in to troubleshoot, so that something prints to STDOUT | ERR whenever run. If there's a problem (like it can't find the ping command or your backup script) it should at least tell you that. Script should probably have the full path name for the ping_check.txt file, so you know where to look for it. (ie. /tmp/ping_check.txt). Make sure cron has permission to write the file. If there is a problem with cron not finding the path's to executables, put a PATH in the crontab. =========== crontab ============================================================ PATH=/root/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin # m h dom mon dow command */5 * * * * /usr/local/bin/ping.sh >2&1 (.. or > /dev/null 2>&1 later to get rid of the annoying emails) ============================================================================= On 01/04/2011 04:07 PM, Raymond Norton wrote: > How should this script be run from cron? I tried appending > > /dev/null, but can't get it to run like it does from the command line. > > > > > On 01/04/2011 09:14 AM, Raymond Norton wrote: >> Took a couple hours of pounding away, but yeah, the script works >> perfectly with my backup solution! >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 01/03/2011 03:56 PM, John Hawley wrote: >>> #!/bin/bash >>> >>> HOST="windowshostname" >>> >>> CMD="ping -c1 $HOST" >>> CMD_RET=`$CMD` >>> # echo $CMD_RET >>> NOWDATE=`date +%Y%m%d` >>> >>> if [ -f ping_check.txt ]; >>> then >>> FILEDATE=`cat ping_check.txt` >>> else >>> FILEDATE=0 >>> fi >>> >>> if [ $NOWDATE -ne $FILEDATE ]; >>> then >>> if [[ $CMD_RET =~ ", 0% packet loss" ]] >>> then >>> echo "$HOST pinged ..." >>> echo $NOWDATE > ping_check.txt >>> # run backup script >>> else >>> echo "$HOST did not ping ..." >>> fi >>> fi >>> >>> exit >>> >>> >>> >>> On 01/03/2011 03:04 PM, Raymond Norton wrote: >>>> Yes, it will have the same address . I would prefer to run it from >>>> the backup server, but am open to anything that is simple. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- "Justin Krejci" wrote: >>>> > Does the windows XP machine always have the same IP address or at >>>> least on the same subnet as the backup server when it is online? >>>> > >>>> > Can you possibly have the Windows XP host run a script >>>> automatically when it is online that will trigger the backup process? >>>> > >>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>> > *From*: Raymond Norton >>> > >>>> > *Reply-to*: TCLUG Mailing List >>>> > *To*: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> > *Subject*: [tclug-list] script help >>>> > *Date*: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 14:21:21 -0600 >>>> > *Mailer*: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) >>>> Gecko/20100423 Thunderbird/3.0.4 >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I need to come up with a shell script that will launch another script >>>> when a specific host is detected on the network. This is for an network >>>> backup system. The host is always off-line when the back up runs at the >>>> night and I want to fire the backup off when it comes back on-line. >>>> >>>> The script would run on the backup server as a cron job, and needs to >>>> call the backup script only once per day. >>>> >>>> The backup server is Linux. The host is Windows XP. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> >>>> > -- >>>> > This message has been scanned for viruses and >>>> > dangerous content by *MailScanner* >>>> , and is >>>> > believed to be clean. >>>> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing >>>> List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Raymond Norton >>>> LCTN >>>> Ecclesiastes 7:21-22 >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> dangerous content by *MailScanner* , >>> and is >>> believed to be clean. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by *MailScanner* , >> and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110104/cabab37d/attachment.htm From jolexa at jolexa.net Tue Jan 4 21:14:06 2011 From: jolexa at jolexa.net (Jeremy Olexa) Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 21:14:06 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] script help In-Reply-To: <4D23DC00.9010306@lctn.org> References: <25760621.01294088660382.JavaMail.root@mail.lctn.org> <4D224618.1020809@hissingdragon.net> <4D23394B.60306@lctn.org> <4D239A36.6070904@lctn.org> <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6074968FA@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> <4D23BE18.5010808@lctn.org> <4D23DC00.9010306@lctn.org> Message-ID: <4D23E1FE.3070402@jolexa.net> On 01/04/2011 08:48 PM, Raymond Norton wrote: > The script runs just fine from a terminal window and -x shows all is > well. It just doesn't fire off from cron Raymond, You aren't providing enough information for us to help. How do you KNOW that it didn't work? What output is there? Is your mailer setup to actual mail the output of the script? If not, check the dead.letter file. What is the entry in your crontab? Few questions that come to mind at least. -Jeremy From admin at lctn.org Tue Jan 4 21:14:35 2011 From: admin at lctn.org (admin at lctn.org) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 03:14:35 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] script help In-Reply-To: <4D23DBA7.60207@hissingdragon.net> References: <25760621.01294088660382.JavaMail.root@mail.lctn.org> <4D224618.1020809@hissingdragon.net> <4D23394B.60306@lctn.org><4D239A36.6070904@lctn.org><4D23DBA7.60207@hissingdragon.net> Message-ID: <1862639061-1294197261-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1140646368-@bda2583.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Thanks for the tips. I will check things out tomorrow. -----Original Message----- From: John Hawley Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 20:47:03 To: TCLUG Mailing List Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] script help _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Tue Jan 4 22:49:20 2011 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 22:49:20 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] script help In-Reply-To: <4D23DBA7.60207@hissingdragon.net> References: <25760621.01294088660382.JavaMail.root@mail.lctn.org> <4D224618.1020809@hissingdragon.net> <4D23394B.60306@lctn.org> <4D239A36.6070904@lctn.org> <4D23DBA7.60207@hissingdragon.net> Message-ID: John Hawley cried from the depths of the abyss... > Script should probably have the full path name for the ping_check.txt file, so you know where to look for it.? (ie. /tmp/ping_check.txt).? Correction - not probably, but with out a doubt SHOULD have /full/path/to/ping_check.txt and /full/path/to/backup_script From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Tue Jan 4 23:40:37 2011 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 23:40:37 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] script help In-Reply-To: <4D23DC00.9010306@lctn.org> References: <25760621.01294088660382.JavaMail.root@mail.lctn.org> <4D224618.1020809@hissingdragon.net> <4D23394B.60306@lctn.org> <4D239A36.6070904@lctn.org> <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6074968FA@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> <4D23BE18.5010808@lctn.org> <4D23DC00.9010306@lctn.org> Message-ID: Raymond Norton cried from the depths of the abyss... > The script runs just fine from a terminal window and -x shows all is > well. It just doesn't fire off from cron > I'm not sure what you mean here. Do you mean when the cron job runs & your xp box is up that no backup file(s) are created per you back up script instructions? Run the cron, and see if the backup exists. Or do you mean you don't see anything happening on the screen when the cron runs? If this is the case you wont see anything on the screen. I find it useful to make scripts very verbose, and email me everything that is happening to help debug. Something like: #!/bin/bash { echo "To: YOUR NAME " echo "From: some robot server name " echo "Subject: WTF In Progress Check" ### ### put you script here ### add echo's for all your variables ### add echo statements to the if thens (it works, or it ### failed) ### cat any files ### make everything verbose ### } 2>&1 | /usr/bin/sendmail -t exit 0 This is a cool thing I like to do as it emails me everything the script is doing. If there is a problem it usually stands out. From admin at lctn.org Wed Jan 5 08:31:27 2011 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 08:31:27 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] script help In-Reply-To: <4D23DC00.9010306@lctn.org> References: <25760621.01294088660382.JavaMail.root@mail.lctn.org> <4D224618.1020809@hissingdragon.net> <4D23394B.60306@lctn.org> <4D239A36.6070904@lctn.org> <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6074968FA@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> <4D23BE18.5010808@lctn.org> <4D23DC00.9010306@lctn.org> Message-ID: <4D2480BF.9030605@lctn.org> It turned out the paths needed to be absolute. Its working now. Thanks for the help On 01/04/2011 08:48 PM, Raymond Norton wrote: > The script runs just fine from a terminal window and -x shows all is > well. It just doesn't fire off from cron > > > On 01/04/2011 07:31 PM, James Louis wrote: > >> #!/bin/bash -x >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From simmonsj at redkeep.com Wed Jan 5 10:32:48 2011 From: simmonsj at redkeep.com (J.A. Simmons V) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 10:32:48 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Beginning Linux stories In-Reply-To: <20110103085556.A29161@real-time.com> References: <20110103085556.A29161@real-time.com> Message-ID: I don't even remember when I first heard of linux. Had to be early to mid 90's, because I remember scrapping my allowance together and buying my first linux book before I could drive. I couldn't make much sense out of the book since I didn't have a linux box to play with. My first exposure to a linux box was a contest/game that someone set up for teaching hacking/exploiting. My first hour on that box taught me more about linux then the past few years of reading books and articles ever did. From there I used various boot CD's (I couldn't afford to dedicate hard drive space on my antiquated laptop for a dual boot system). I managed to teach myself enough that when I got to the Navy, I was one of the most qualified to become the lead administrator with the ships HP-UX systems and the go-to-guy for any other *nix system on board. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110105/adce1d3f/attachment.htm From johntrammell at gmail.com Thu Jan 6 08:39:07 2011 From: johntrammell at gmail.com (John Trammell) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 08:39:07 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] free scanner Message-ID: No, not this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanners, THIS: http://www.amazon.com/HP-ScanJet-5p-Flatbed-scanner/dp/B0009LXUDE Works, you need to provide SCSI card and power cord. I think I even have a SCSI cable for it. Thanks, J From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Thu Jan 6 09:11:23 2011 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 09:11:23 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] free scanner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: *added to queue* Thank you John, thank you Netflix. On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 8:39 AM, John Trammell wrote: > No, not this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scanners, THIS: > http://www.amazon.com/HP-ScanJet-5p-Flatbed-scanner/dp/B0009LXUDE > > Works, you need to provide SCSI card and power cord. ?I think I even > have a SCSI cable for it. > > Thanks, > J > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com Thu Jan 6 15:12:34 2011 From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 15:12:34 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] SE Linux and web servers Message-ID: I am working on a Fedora 14 machine. I am running a Lamp (php) server. I am running into issues with selinux reporting warnings that httpd is attempting to access variables in my template files. When I correct the issues using the selinux context manager they repear when my httpd is restarted. I follow the command inputs to make the allow behavor the default and get errors as well. When I change selinux to permissive mode with echo 0 > /selinux/enforce. It still blocks template compiling and generates errors. This is causing my smarty template system to fail. Any help or advice would be great. Thank you , Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110106/86ca187a/attachment.htm From mjb at umn.edu Thu Jan 6 15:21:51 2011 From: mjb at umn.edu (Michael Berkowski) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 15:21:51 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] SE Linux and web servers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D26326F.7060106@umn.edu> On 1/6/2011 3:12 PM, r j wrote: > I am working on a Fedora 14 machine. > I am running a Lamp (php) server. > I am running into issues with selinux reporting > warnings that httpd is attempting to access variables in my template files. > When I correct the issues using the selinux context manager they repear when > my httpd is restarted. > I follow the command inputs to make the allow behavor the default and get > errors as well. > When I change selinux to permissive mode with echo 0 > /selinux/enforce. > It still blocks template compiling and generates errors. > This is causing my smarty template system to fail. This is a guess, as I can't remember what I did the last time I encountered it, but try changing the SELinux context of the Smarty compile_dir to httpd_cache_t: # chcon -t httpd_cache_t /path/to/compile_dir +++++++++++++++++ Michael Berkowski Minitex / MnLINK Linux Systems Administrator and Programmer University of Minnesota 612.625.8736 mjb at umn.edu PGP Public key: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~berk0081/pgp/pubkey.asc +++++++++++++++++ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110106/be240431/attachment.pgp From florin at iucha.net Thu Jan 6 15:33:24 2011 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 15:33:24 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] SE Linux and web servers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110106213323.GT2311@styx.iucha.org> On Thu, Jan 06, 2011 at 03:12:34PM -0600, r j wrote: > I am working on a Fedora 14 machine. > I am running a Lamp (php) server. > I am running into issues with selinux reporting > warnings that httpd is attempting to access variables in my template files. > When I correct the issues using the selinux context manager they repear when > my httpd is restarted. > I follow the command inputs to make the allow behavor the default and get > errors as well. > When I change selinux to permissive mode with echo 0 > /selinux/enforce. IIRC you can only tighten SELinux enforcement, not loosen it. So you need to boot with SELinux in permissive mode. > It still blocks template compiling and generates errors. > This is causing my smarty template system to fail. > Any help or advice would be great. Do a 'cat /var/log/audit/audit.log | audit2allow' to see (in a more readable format) what apache is actually try to do. Then you might want to generate a custom policy (read the audit2allow manual) to permit that, if it is acceptable to you. Cheers, florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110106/b8fc518e/attachment.pgp From Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com Thu Jan 6 17:18:01 2011 From: Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com (Smith, Craig A) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 18:18:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Qwest and blocked ports In-Reply-To: <4D2344C5.700@hissingdragon.net> References: <4D1C9E6E.7010909@hissingdragon.net><352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6074239B0@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> <4D2344C5.700@hissingdragon.net> Message-ID: <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6075018E4@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> John Hawley wrote: > I just point postfix at smtp.comcast.net, and it just accepts. From jhawley at hissingdragon.net Thu Jan 6 17:39:36 2011 From: jhawley at hissingdragon.net (John Hawley) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:39:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Qwest and blocked ports In-Reply-To: <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6075018E4@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> References: <4D1C9E6E.7010909@hissingdragon.net><352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6074239B0@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> <4D2344C5.700@hissingdragon.net> <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6075018E4@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <4D2652B8.3080404@hissingdragon.net> I'll bear this in mind. Thanks. $ telnet smtp.comcast.net 25 Trying 76.96.62.117... Connected to smtp.g.comcast.net. Escape character is '^]'. 220 omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net comcast ESMTP server ready ^] telnet> close Connection closed. $ telnet smtp.comcast.net 587 Trying 76.96.62.117... telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused On 01/06/2011 05:18 PM, Smith, Craig A wrote: > John Hawley wrote: > > >> I just point postfix at smtp.comcast.net, and it just accepts. >> > From your earlier post, I assume that smtp.comcast.net is still > accepting your mail on port 25. > If so, that may eventually stop working at which point you'll need to > switch to port 587. > > In early 2009, there was discussion on this list about Comcast blocking > port 25. > http://archives.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/2009-February/thread.h > tml > > I was unaffected at the time, but in February of 2010, Comcast stopped > accepting my port 25 connections. > > $ telnet smtp.comcast.net 25 > Trying 76.96.30.117... > telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out > > I called Comcast and they said "that's right, use port 587." > I can telnet to port 587, but actual use requires authentication with my > Comcast credentials. > > I've reconfigure postfix for port 587 per > http://www.kclug.org/pipermail/kclug/2008-February/032558.html > > and setup SMTP Authentication per > http://www.freelock.com/kb/postfix-relayhost > but I'm stuck on the last step: > > # urpmi --media main libsasl2-plug-login libsasl2-plug-plain > bash: urpmi: command not found > > > Tony Yarusso gave me > > >> apt-get install libsasl2-modules (That package will provide both >> > LOGIN and PLAIN.) > > The install worked, but didn't provide the > urpmi command on Debian with postfix 2.3.8. > > I've since moved to Ubuntu where apt-get says > libsasl2-modules is already the newest version. > > If anyone can help, I would be glad to document the solution. > I'm running postfix 2.7.0 and can live with out-going mail only. > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ryanjcole at me.com Thu Jan 6 17:59:44 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:59:44 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Qwest and blocked ports In-Reply-To: <4D2652B8.3080404@hissingdragon.net> References: <4D1C9E6E.7010909@hissingdragon.net> <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6074239B0@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> <4D2344C5.700@hissingdragon.net> <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6075018E4@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> <4D2652B8.3080404@hissingdragon.net> Message-ID: <127A0210-F207-47EC-923D-614CD584F5D1@me.com> I think they are locking some servers and some host source ips. Ryan Coleman Publisher, d3photography.com editor at d3photography.com 612.618.5682 (mobile) On Jan 6, 2011, at 5:39 PM, John Hawley wrote: > I'll bear this in mind. > Thanks. > > > $ telnet smtp.comcast.net 25 > Trying 76.96.62.117... > Connected to smtp.g.comcast.net. > Escape character is '^]'. > 220 omta23.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net comcast ESMTP server ready > ^] > telnet> close > Connection closed. > > > $ telnet smtp.comcast.net 587 > Trying 76.96.62.117... > telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused > > > On 01/06/2011 05:18 PM, Smith, Craig A wrote: >> John Hawley wrote: >> >> >>> I just point postfix at smtp.comcast.net, and it just accepts. >>> >> From your earlier post, I assume that smtp.comcast.net is still >> accepting your mail on port 25. >> If so, that may eventually stop working at which point you'll need to >> switch to port 587. >> >> In early 2009, there was discussion on this list about Comcast blocking >> port 25. >> http://archives.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/2009-February/thread.h >> tml >> >> I was unaffected at the time, but in February of 2010, Comcast stopped >> accepting my port 25 connections. >> >> $ telnet smtp.comcast.net 25 >> Trying 76.96.30.117... >> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out >> >> I called Comcast and they said "that's right, use port 587." >> I can telnet to port 587, but actual use requires authentication with my >> Comcast credentials. >> >> I've reconfigure postfix for port 587 per >> http://www.kclug.org/pipermail/kclug/2008-February/032558.html >> >> and setup SMTP Authentication per >> http://www.freelock.com/kb/postfix-relayhost >> but I'm stuck on the last step: >> >> # urpmi --media main libsasl2-plug-login libsasl2-plug-plain >> bash: urpmi: command not found >> >> >> Tony Yarusso gave me >> >> >>> apt-get install libsasl2-modules (That package will provide both >>> >> LOGIN and PLAIN.) >> >> The install worked, but didn't provide the >> urpmi command on Debian with postfix 2.3.8. >> >> I've since moved to Ubuntu where apt-get says >> libsasl2-modules is already the newest version. >> >> If anyone can help, I would be glad to document the solution. >> I'm running postfix 2.7.0 and can live with out-going mail only. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nesius at gmail.com Fri Jan 7 00:42:30 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 00:42:30 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Qwest and blocked ports In-Reply-To: <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6075018E4@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> References: <4D1C9E6E.7010909@hissingdragon.net> <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6074239B0@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> <4D2344C5.700@hissingdragon.net> <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6075018E4@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> Message-ID: urpmi appears to simply be a package management interface whose roots are in Mandriva Linux. Don't get hung up on the urpmi command - I think the main thing is to simply have current libsasl2's ,etc... i.e., on debian use apt-get? Bear in mind the package names may be different. -Rob On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Smith, Craig A wrote: > John Hawley wrote: > > > I just point postfix at smtp.comcast.net, and it just accepts. > > From your earlier post, I assume that smtp.comcast.net is still > accepting your mail on port 25. > If so, that may eventually stop working at which point you'll need to > switch to port 587. > > In early 2009, there was discussion on this list about Comcast blocking > port 25. > http://archives.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/2009-February/thread.h > tml > > I was unaffected at the time, but in February of 2010, Comcast stopped > accepting my port 25 connections. > > $ telnet smtp.comcast.net 25 > Trying 76.96.30.117... > telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection timed out > > I called Comcast and they said "that's right, use port 587." > I can telnet to port 587, but actual use requires authentication with my > Comcast credentials. > > I've reconfigure postfix for port 587 per > http://www.kclug.org/pipermail/kclug/2008-February/032558.html > > and setup SMTP Authentication per > http://www.freelock.com/kb/postfix-relayhost > but I'm stuck on the last step: > > # urpmi --media main libsasl2-plug-login libsasl2-plug-plain > bash: urpmi: command not found > > > Tony Yarusso gave me > > > apt-get install libsasl2-modules (That package will provide both > LOGIN and PLAIN.) > > The install worked, but didn't provide the > urpmi command on Debian with postfix 2.3.8. > > I've since moved to Ubuntu where apt-get says > libsasl2-modules is already the newest version. > > If anyone can help, I would be glad to document the solution. > I'm running postfix 2.7.0 and can live with out-going mail only. > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110107/b87e0dcc/attachment-0001.htm From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com Fri Jan 7 00:56:10 2011 From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 00:56:10 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] SElinux Message-ID: Do a 'cat /var/log/audit/audit.log | audit2allow' to see (in a more readable format) what apache is actually try to do. Then you might want to generate a custom policy (read the audit2allow manual) to permit that, if it is acceptable to you. Cheers, florin Thank you I did and have allowed http.d write access to my templates so they compile properly. Thanks florin, ,Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110107/c5a7cead/attachment.htm From tclugl at whitleymott.net Fri Jan 7 13:05:44 2011 From: tclugl at whitleymott.net (gregwm) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 13:05:44 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] remote control w/o trashing video Message-ID: i want to be able to enter a command whereafter i may copy something from my screen, paste it into the screen of a remote computer, and direct mouse and keyboard input to the remote screen. i don't want the remote screen to be operating within vncviewer, that would seriously impair it's ability to show video. what avenue would be best? what's available to help with this? i'm hip to vlc http ability, but also want to remotely control browser viewing of youtube and similar venues. it would also be nice to know how to view youtube and suchlike in more favorable players such as vlc or mplayer but that's a separate question. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110107/9147bfd8/attachment.htm From jhawley at hissingdragon.net Fri Jan 7 13:33:42 2011 From: jhawley at hissingdragon.net (John Hawley) Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 13:33:42 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] remote control w/o trashing video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D276A96.90605@hissingdragon.net> On 01/07/2011 01:05 PM, gregwm wrote: > it would also be nice to know how to view youtube and suchlike in > more favorable players such as vlc or mplayer but that's a separate > question. After the youtube video has completely buffered, copy the /tmp/Flashblahblah file to something like ~/file.swf, and convert it to an avi: $ mencoder file.swf -o file.avi -oac mp3lame -lavcopts acodec=mp3:abitrate=128 -ovc xvid -xvidencopts pass=2:bitrate=1600 $ vlc file.avi From justin.kremer at gmail.com Fri Jan 7 13:33:03 2011 From: justin.kremer at gmail.com (Justin Kremer) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 13:33:03 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] remote control w/o trashing video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:05 PM, gregwm wrote: > i want to be able to enter a command whereafter i may copy something from my > screen, paste it into the screen of a remote computer, and direct mouse and > keyboard input to the remote screen.? i don't want the remote screen to be > operating within vncviewer, that would seriously impair it's ability to show > video.? what avenue would be best?? what's available to help with this?? i'm > hip to vlc http ability, but also want to remotely control browser viewing > of youtube and similar venues.? it would also be nice to know how to view > youtube and suchlike in more favorable players such as vlc or mplayer but > that's a separate question. How remote is this screen? Your description of the problem is a bit confusing. If it is something that is visible to you, but connected to a different computer, Synergy may be ideal. It shares keyboard and mouse over the network between systems that have their own displays. http://synergy-foss.org/ - Justin From elhaddi at enduradata.com Fri Jan 7 15:43:57 2011 From: elhaddi at enduradata.com (A. A. El Haddi) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 15:43:57 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Asterix/Elastix Message-ID: <3539D9D7-2735-4AA0-81A4-BA34554F5A82@enduradata.com> Hello, Anyone has expertise with Asterix/Elastix? Or does any one know if any local vendors provide the end2end service around these ? Have a short term gig/bricole for someone to install and configure a couple of systems. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A. A. El Haddi EnduraData http://www.enduradata.com Cross-platform file replication, large scale data distribution, remote backup and archive From tclugl at whitleymott.net Sat Jan 8 05:28:06 2011 From: tclugl at whitleymott.net (gregwm) Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 05:28:06 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] remote control w/o trashing video In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > http://synergy-foss.org > nearly perfect, thank you! more totally perfect would be the ability to momentarily view the synergy client on the synergy server, but i can manage without that, and again, wouldn't want a setup that would retard fast video response on the synergy client. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110108/1790d49e/attachment.htm From scottbb1973 at gmail.com Sun Jan 9 20:31:44 2011 From: scottbb1973 at gmail.com (Scot Berry) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 20:31:44 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] still looking for someone to help with bind9 Message-ID: <4D2A6F90.2090001@gmail.com> I know that Greg and someone else had offered to help me with setting up bind9 could you please respond again cause I think I might have lost the email during transfers of new computer. Scott Berry From jolexa at jolexa.net Mon Jan 10 08:26:44 2011 From: jolexa at jolexa.net (Jeremy Olexa) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:26:44 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] still looking for someone to help with bind9 In-Reply-To: <4D2A6F90.2090001@gmail.com> References: <4D2A6F90.2090001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <677e4f53260446b9c164b4eaadee0c28@webmail.jolexa.net> On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 20:31:44 -0600, Scot Berry wrote: > I know that Greg and someone else had offered to help me with setting > up > bind9 could you please respond again cause I think I might have lost > the > email during transfers of new computer. There are archives of this list out there :) http://archives.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/2010-December/thread.html#59461 -Jeremy > Scott Berry From admin at lctn.org Mon Jan 10 08:36:52 2011 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 08:36:52 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] embedded Linux Message-ID: <4D2B1984.9010404@lctn.org> I have a project I want to ding around with that would require lirc and a web server. I want to use a device with embedded Linux that would have a usb, nic, and composite video interface. Anyone have a low cost recommendation? From florin at iucha.net Mon Jan 10 09:21:14 2011 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 09:21:14 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] embedded Linux In-Reply-To: <4D2B1984.9010404@lctn.org> References: <4D2B1984.9010404@lctn.org> Message-ID: <20110110152113.GE2311@styx.iucha.org> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 08:36:52AM -0600, Raymond Norton wrote: > I have a project I want to ding around with that would require lirc and > a web server. I want to use a device with embedded Linux that would > have a usb, nic, and composite video interface. Anyone have a low cost > recommendation? Check out: http://pandaboard.org/ $174 http://www.hawkboard.org/ $139 Cheers, florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110110/d53a6acb/attachment.pgp From Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com Mon Jan 10 12:33:57 2011 From: Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com (Smith, Craig A) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:33:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Qwest and blocked ports In-Reply-To: <7CA2C121-4E9E-423E-92D7-49000C2E77F6@me.com> References: <4D1C9E6E.7010909@hissingdragon.net><352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6074239B0@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> <7CA2C121-4E9E-423E-92D7-49000C2E77F6@me.com> Message-ID: <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E60756431E@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> Ryan Coleman wrote: > I recommend a Comcast.net account, subscription and using those passwords and usernames. Works for me. Could you be more specific? I have Comcast credentials that I can use to send and receive email with Thunderbird or other MUA. What I want is to configure Postfix to do like-wise. From jus at krytosvirus.com Mon Jan 10 13:06:05 2011 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:06:05 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Qwest and blocked ports In-Reply-To: <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E60756431E@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> References: <4D1C9E6E.7010909@hissingdragon.net> <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E6074239B0@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> <7CA2C121-4E9E-423E-92D7-49000C2E77F6@me.com> <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E60756431E@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <1294686365.2967.3886.camel@sysadmin3a> Start with these http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#client_sasl http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtp_sasl_auth_enable I'd review all config settings that start with smtp_sasl_ It's pretty easy to do and there is also "sender dependent" configurations though it sounds like you don't need that and the examples in the first link should probably be sufficient for your relatively simple needs. -----Original Message----- From: Smith, Craig A Reply-to: TCLUG Mailing List To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Qwest and blocked ports Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:33:57 -0500 Mailer: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Ryan Coleman wrote: > I recommend a Comcast.net account, subscription and using those passwords and usernames. Works for me. Could you be more specific? I have Comcast credentials that I can use to send and receive email with Thunderbird or other MUA. What I want is to configure Postfix to do like-wise. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110110/5effc0b2/attachment.htm From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Wed Jan 12 13:07:28 2011 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:07:28 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] bash - tee stdout and stderr to log Message-ID: <4D2DFBF0.7090901@trutwins.homeip.net> Curious if anyone can help me with this - I have a long running script and I'd like to redirect both stdout and stderr to a log file, as well as have the output visible on the console (that last part I could live without - just run a tail -f after execution). I've tried both of these after googling around: ./prog.sh 2>&1 | tee prog.log ./prog.sh 3>&1 >&2 2>&3 3>&- | tee prog.log Neither works - not sure if they aren't supported in /bin/bash. Any suggestions? Thanks! Josh From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Wed Jan 12 13:25:06 2011 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 13:25:06 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] bash - tee stdout and stderr to log In-Reply-To: <4D2DFBF0.7090901@trutwins.homeip.net> References: <4D2DFBF0.7090901@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: ./prog.sh > prog.log 2>&1 And then, as you mention you could tail -f that file in another terminal. I haven't played with tee much, I'm sure you could get the ideal setup with that somehow. Perhaps someone else knows? -Erik On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Josh Trutwin wrote: > Curious if anyone can help me with this - I have a long running script > and I'd like to redirect both stdout and stderr to a log file, as well > as have the output visible on the console (that last part I could live > without - just run a tail -f after execution). > > I've tried both of these after googling around: > > ./prog.sh 2>&1 | tee prog.log > ./prog.sh 3>&1 >&2 2>&3 3>&- | tee prog.log > > Neither works - not sure if they aren't supported in /bin/bash. ?Any > suggestions? > > Thanks! > > Josh > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From jima at beer.tclug.org Wed Jan 12 14:55:36 2011 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:55:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] bash - tee stdout and stderr to log In-Reply-To: <4D2DFBF0.7090901@trutwins.homeip.net> References: <4D2DFBF0.7090901@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <4D2E1548.3010302@beer.tclug.org> On 01/12/2011 01:07 PM, Josh Trutwin wrote: > Curious if anyone can help me with this - I have a long running script > and I'd like to redirect both stdout and stderr to a log file, as well > as have the output visible on the console (that last part I could live > without - just run a tail -f after execution). > > I've tried both of these after googling around: > > ./prog.sh 2>&1 | tee prog.log This is the incantation I use, and it's worked for me as long as I can remember (although in the test I just ran, it flipped the order of my stdout/stderr prints -- odd). Jima From johntrammell at gmail.com Wed Jan 12 15:13:09 2011 From: johntrammell at gmail.com (John Trammell) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:13:09 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] bash - tee stdout and stderr to log In-Reply-To: <4D2DFBF0.7090901@trutwins.homeip.net> References: <4D2DFBF0.7090901@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Josh Trutwin wrote: > Curious if anyone can help me with this - I have a long running script > and I'd like to redirect both stdout and stderr to a log file, as well > as have the output visible on the console (that last part I could live > without - just run a tail -f after execution). I use something like this: % (loader.sh 2>&1) | tee load.log Cheers, J From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Wed Jan 12 15:40:31 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:40:31 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] bash - tee stdout and stderr to log In-Reply-To: <4D2DFBF0.7090901@trutwins.homeip.net> References: <4D2DFBF0.7090901@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jan 2011, Josh Trutwin wrote: > Curious if anyone can help me with this - I have a long running script > and I'd like to redirect both stdout and stderr to a log file, as well > as have the output visible on the console (that last part I could live > without - just run a tail -f after execution). > > I've tried both of these after googling around: > > ./prog.sh 2>&1 | tee prog.log > ./prog.sh 3>&1 >&2 2>&3 3>&- | tee prog.log > > Neither works - not sure if they aren't supported in /bin/bash. Any > suggestions? Funny thing -- I got really into this but was thinking you wanted stdout and stderr in two separate files, which is a lot harder, but it looks like I got that: ( ( ./prog.sh | tee prog.log.out ) 2>&1 1>&3 ) 3>&2 | tee prog.log.err If you just want to put the stdout and stderr together, this works at least in recent-enough versions of bash: ./prog.sh 2>&1 | tee prog.log But that's what you have above, so I think either you are not in a bash shell or you have an old bash version. For me: $ echo $BASH_VERSION 4.0.33(1)-release And this works perfectly: ( echo "stdout1" ; echo "stderr1" 1>&2 ; echo stdout2 ) 2>&1 | tee foo.outerr Regarding the system for keeping separate .out and .err files: I find that the order of appearance on the terminal changes if the stderr and stdout are produced at almost the same time: $ ( echo "stdout1" ; echo "stderr1" 1>&2 ; echo stdout2 ) stdout1 stderr1 stdout2 So stderr was second, but here it is first: $ ( ( ( echo "stdout1" ; echo "stderr1" 1>&2 ; echo stdout2 ) | tee foo.out ) 2>&1 1>&3 ) 3>&2 | tee foo.err stderr1 stdout1 stdout2 Adding a few milliseconds between makes it come out in order: $ ( ( ( echo "stdout1" ; sleep .01 ; echo "stderr1" 1>&2 ; sleep .01 ; echo stdout2 ) | tee foo.out ) 2>&1 1>&3 ) 3>&2 | tee foo.err stdout1 stderr1 stdout2 Best, Mike From mn-linux.org at cyberians.net Wed Jan 12 16:04:56 2011 From: mn-linux.org at cyberians.net (mn-linux.org at cyberians.net) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:04:56 -0700 Subject: [tclug-list] Network tester needed. Message-ID: <20110112150456.extsozfgw84ccg8c@host312.hostmonster.com> I recently started a new contract, but the environment is one of patched network installations and daisy-chained phone cabling. I am trying to map out the lines, but I am also the only IT support person on site. I know this may be asking a lot, but I would like to borrow a Fluke, tone generator and probe for a weekend or two. I would be willing to give every assurance it will get back. The fluke does not have to be anything impressive, but being able to tell me how long a run is, tell me if its connected to a PC or switch and/or blink a switch would TRULY be helpful. I have a probe, but I may just price out a decent one for myself. The one I bought some time ago is platic-tipped and only reads the EM-pulse, not the type with a bare-metal tip for more accurate probing. When I have worked on sites before, with a metal-tipped probe, I simply put my finger on the probe and ran my other finger down the phone panel until I picked up the signal - I cannot do that with the one I have, but I can't believe they are too expensive, so I may see how much a decent one is. Any ideas of where to get that in the TC area? I've priced out flukes, and those (for the time being) are beyond my budget and likely not going to get approval for a purchase from my boss. If one of you has a fluke to lend over the weekend, for a weekend or two, I would really appreciate it. I figured its no harm in asking anyway... Jonah From nesius at gmail.com Wed Jan 12 16:14:48 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:14:48 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] bash - tee stdout and stderr to log In-Reply-To: References: <4D2DFBF0.7090901@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Mike Miller > wrote: > > Regarding the system for keeping separate .out and .err files: I find > that the order of appearance on the terminal changes if the stderr and > stdout are produced at almost the same time: > > $ ( echo "stdout1" ; echo "stderr1" 1>&2 ; echo stdout2 ) > stdout1 > stderr1 > stdout2 > > So stderr was second, but here it is first: > > > $ ( ( ( echo "stdout1" ; echo "stderr1" 1>&2 ; echo stdout2 ) | tee foo.out > ) 2>&1 1>&3 ) 3>&2 | tee foo.err > stderr1 > stdout1 > stdout2 > > Adding a few milliseconds between makes it come out in order: > > $ ( ( ( echo "stdout1" ; sleep .01 ; echo "stderr1" 1>&2 ; sleep .01 ; echo > stdout2 ) | tee foo.out ) 2>&1 1>&3 ) 3>&2 | tee foo.err > stdout1 > stderr1 > stdout2 > > When you have two separate buffered streams going to the same file, there are no guarantees the temporal order will be preserved. The bits hit the file when the buffers are flushed by the kernel. If you're debugging a program that sends errors to stderr and output to stdout, an error message may appear well after the output on stdout that it was meant to be associated with. -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110112/76430820/attachment.htm From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Jan 12 16:18:42 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:18:42 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Network tester needed. In-Reply-To: <20110112150456.extsozfgw84ccg8c@host312.hostmonster.com> References: <20110112150456.extsozfgw84ccg8c@host312.hostmonster.com> Message-ID: <66A91677-CA07-4B24-AFF7-D1947A882A8B@me.com> If you're on the east side of the metro, I can loan you one, if not two, Flukes. On Jan 12, 2011, at 4:04 PM, mn-linux.org at cyberians.net wrote: > I recently started a new contract, but the environment is one of > patched network installations and daisy-chained phone cabling. I am > trying to map out the lines, but I am also the only IT support person > on site. > > I know this may be asking a lot, but I would like to borrow a Fluke, > tone generator and probe for a weekend or two. I would be willing to > give every assurance it will get back. > The fluke does not have to be anything impressive, but being able to > tell me how long a run is, tell me if its connected to a PC or switch > and/or blink a switch would TRULY be helpful. > > I have a probe, but I may just price out a decent one for myself. The > one I bought some time ago is platic-tipped and only reads the > EM-pulse, not the type with a bare-metal tip for more accurate > probing. When I have worked on sites before, with a metal-tipped > probe, I simply put my finger on the probe and ran my other finger > down the phone panel until I picked up the signal - I cannot do that > with the one I have, but I can't believe they are too expensive, so I > may see how much a decent one is. Any ideas of where to get that in > the TC area? > > I've priced out flukes, and those (for the time being) are beyond my > budget and likely not going to get approval for a purchase from my boss. > > If one of you has a fluke to lend over the weekend, for a weekend or > two, I would really appreciate it. I figured its no harm in asking > anyway... > > Jonah > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Wed Jan 12 22:09:11 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 22:09:11 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] bash - tee stdout and stderr to log In-Reply-To: References: <4D2DFBF0.7090901@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jan 2011, Robert Nesius wrote: > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > >> >> Regarding the system for keeping separate .out and .err files: I find >> that the order of appearance on the terminal changes if the stderr and >> stdout are produced at almost the same time: >> >> $ ( echo "stdout1" ; echo "stderr1" 1>&2 ; echo stdout2 ) >> stdout1 >> stderr1 >> stdout2 >> >> So stderr was second, but here it is first: >> >> >> $ ( ( ( echo "stdout1" ; echo "stderr1" 1>&2 ; echo stdout2 ) | tee foo.out >> ) 2>&1 1>&3 ) 3>&2 | tee foo.err >> stderr1 >> stdout1 >> stdout2 >> >> Adding a few milliseconds between makes it come out in order: >> >> $ ( ( ( echo "stdout1" ; sleep .01 ; echo "stderr1" 1>&2 ; sleep .01 ; echo >> stdout2 ) | tee foo.out ) 2>&1 1>&3 ) 3>&2 | tee foo.err >> stdout1 >> stderr1 >> stdout2 > > When you have two separate buffered streams going to the same file, > there are no guarantees the temporal order will be preserved. The bits > hit the file when the buffers are flushed by the kernel. If you're > debugging a program that sends errors to stderr and output to stdout, an > error message may appear well after the output on stdout that it was > meant to be associated with. Could that file be /dev/tty? In other words, there is no way to preserve the temporal order of the outputs from the program, right? I guess the lesson is that if we want to preserve the order, we have to write programs that write to only one stream, maybing having errors go to stdout. We could use ANSI color or some other scheme to highlight the errors. Mike From nesius at gmail.com Wed Jan 12 23:02:51 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 23:02:51 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] bash - tee stdout and stderr to log In-Reply-To: References: <4D2DFBF0.7090901@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Mike Miller > wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jan 2011, Robert Nesius wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Mike Miller > > wrote: > > > >> > >> Regarding the system for keeping separate .out and .err files: I find > >> that the order of appearance on the terminal changes if the stderr and > >> stdout are produced at almost the same time: > >> > >> $ ( echo "stdout1" ; echo "stderr1" 1>&2 ; echo stdout2 ) > >> stdout1 > >> stderr1 > >> stdout2 > >> > >> So stderr was second, but here it is first: > >> > >> > >> $ ( ( ( echo "stdout1" ; echo "stderr1" 1>&2 ; echo stdout2 ) | tee > foo.out > >> ) 2>&1 1>&3 ) 3>&2 | tee foo.err > >> stderr1 > >> stdout1 > >> stdout2 > >> > >> Adding a few milliseconds between makes it come out in order: > >> > >> $ ( ( ( echo "stdout1" ; sleep .01 ; echo "stderr1" 1>&2 ; sleep .01 ; > echo > >> stdout2 ) | tee foo.out ) 2>&1 1>&3 ) 3>&2 | tee foo.err > >> stdout1 > >> stderr1 > >> stdout2 > > > > When you have two separate buffered streams going to the same file, > > there are no guarantees the temporal order will be preserved. The bits > > hit the file when the buffers are flushed by the kernel. If you're > > debugging a program that sends errors to stderr and output to stdout, an > > error message may appear well after the output on stdout that it was > > meant to be associated with. > > > Could that file be /dev/tty? In other words, there is no way to preserve > the temporal order of the outputs from the program, right? I guess the > lesson is that if we want to preserve the order, we have to write programs > that write to only one stream, maybing having errors go to stdout. We > could use ANSI color or some other scheme to highlight the errors. > > Mike > > It's line-buffered output - doesn't matter if it's /tmp/foo or a tty... You can go to "unbufferred I/O" to help mitigate this (an approach with performance implications), or simply make sure the stuff you care about is in the same stream. Remapping streams to be the same also helps. Its just an issue to be aware of is all... . Most people bump into this eventually in unix/linux. Often it's noticeable when I/O sent to stderr in the midst of writes to stdout is all bunched up at the end of the output, which happens because stdout gets flushed while tthe process is being torn down and filehandles flushed and closed. This usually motivates one to ask "Why did all of my debug statements get bunched up at the end?" -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110112/438efd4a/attachment.htm From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu Jan 13 01:01:24 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 01:01:24 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] bash - tee stdout and stderr to log In-Reply-To: References: <4D2DFBF0.7090901@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Jan 2011, Robert Nesius wrote: > It's line-buffered output - doesn't matter if it's /tmp/foo or a tty... > > You can go to "unbufferred I/O" to help mitigate this (an approach with > performance implications), or simply make sure the stuff you care about > is in the same stream. Remapping streams to be the same also helps. Its > just an issue to be aware of is all... . Most people bump into this > eventually in unix/linux. Often it's noticeable when I/O sent to stderr > in the midst of writes to stdout is all bunched up at the end of the > output, which happens because stdout gets flushed while tthe process is > being torn down and filehandles flushed and closed. This usually > motivates one to ask "Why did all of my debug statements get bunched up > at the end?" I first found out about this problem back in June when I was getting stuck on a problem with my use of "rm -i" in a bash script: http://mlug.missouri.edu/pipermail/members/2010-June/014842.html The prompt from rm -i goes to stderr, so when I was redirecting stderr so that I didn't see it, the script would hang. I then discovered the useful hilite program: http://mlug.missouri.edu/pipermail/members/2010-June/014846.html And a friend explained buffering to me: http://mlug.missouri.edu/pipermail/members/2010-June/014850.html Here's another example of what you're talking about: First I make a script called foo... -----foo begins on next line----- #!/bin/bash ( echo -e "stdout1" ; echo -e "stderr1" 1>&2 ; echo -e stdout2 ) ----foo ends on previous line---- ...and make it executable: chmod 755 foo Then I run it and see this: $ ./foo stdout1 stderr1 stdout2 But when I use it with hilite, in addition to getting "stderr1" highlighted in red, it pushes it to the end: $ hilite ./foo stdout1 stdout2 stderr1 This kind of stuff can drive you crazy. ;-) Best, Mike From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Thu Jan 13 10:44:32 2011 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 10:44:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] forwarding to Google Public DNS Message-ID: Hello, and a good day to you all. I was wondering if anyone has ever used the public Goggle DNS servers, and if they are reliable. I recently installed a WAN traffic manager at two of our locations. http://www.ecessa.com/pages/products/products_powerlink_pl200.php These units are cool. I am now bonding 3 isp data connections at one location, and two isp connections at the other. It also allows me to do line bonding for site to site vpn connections which was a selling point for me (why is the system slow calls from the remote office have seriously decreased :) ). Since I installed this unit, I have notice a slight performance hit in the DNS department. Internally I have a Slackware box running BIND as a caching nameserver. Beneath that there are a handful of M$ (sorry guys, but it's a business & corporate is clueless) AD - DNS servers that maintain & handle the local dns & forward external requests to the Slackware BIND box. Prior to installing the traffic manager, I had BIND setup to forward its unknown non-cached requests to the ISP DNS servers that was hooked up to my LAN. This worked great for years. When I hooked up the traffic manager, I added the other ISP dns servers to the list of forwarders in my BIND config. After all, half the reason I picked up the traffic manager was for redundancy (in case ISP link 1 goes down, etc.). Once I added the other ISP forwarder I started to notice delays in DNS queries. Since the traffic manager is spitting out my traffic on 3 different ISP I believe this is where the problem is. If my BIND sends a forward query to ISP DNS 1, but the query is actually sent via ISP data link 2, or 3 then when DNS server 1 receives the request it is saying "I don't think so stranger". Then my BIND retries until it actually get the magic ISP DNS on the correct ISP link. End result = Ring, Ring, Why does my browser take so long to load!. I realize I could just ditch forwarding all together, but I prefer to let an upstream ISP server handle the load & not constantly bother the top level servers for every new request we get. A solution I think would be to forward my dns queries to a server that will accept from any of our ISP lines. I don't think I really trust the old 4.2.2.2, but I noticed Goggle has a public dns service @ 8.8.8.8. This could solve my problems. Does anyone have an opinion on using the Goggle DNS? I have also considered putting a box on the outside of the traffic manager with 3 nics (one hooked into each ISP) & running BIND that way. Although I fell this would work fine, it just seems like more work that I want to do & yet another thing I will have to worry about. Another option is the wan manager has QoS I can setup so all my external DNS forward requests go via one of the links. I am reluctant to go this route, and I want to keep things as redundant as possible. Sorry for the long winded post. Thanks! B-o-B From jus at krytosvirus.com Thu Jan 13 11:05:49 2011 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:05:49 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] forwarding to Google Public DNS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1631484756-1294938351-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-396273507-@bda588.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Does your traffic manager support static routing configurations so as to force traffic to the isp caching dns servers down their respective links? I've used fatpipe units similar to what it sounds like you have and this was possible on them. I have no experience with google dns but I really like opendns quite a bit (also free). Setting up your local caching dns server(s) to handle all of your queries sounds like the best solution to me overall though. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "Mr. B-o-B" Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 10:44:32 To: TCLUG - LIST Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [tclug-list] forwarding to Google Public DNS Hello, and a good day to you all. I was wondering if anyone has ever used the public Goggle DNS servers, and if they are reliable. I recently installed a WAN traffic manager at two of our locations. http://www.ecessa.com/pages/products/products_powerlink_pl200.php These units are cool. I am now bonding 3 isp data connections at one location, and two isp connections at the other. It also allows me to do line bonding for site to site vpn connections which was a selling point for me (why is the system slow calls from the remote office have seriously decreased :) ). Since I installed this unit, I have notice a slight performance hit in the DNS department. Internally I have a Slackware box running BIND as a caching nameserver. Beneath that there are a handful of M$ (sorry guys, but it's a business & corporate is clueless) AD - DNS servers that maintain & handle the local dns & forward external requests to the Slackware BIND box. Prior to installing the traffic manager, I had BIND setup to forward its unknown non-cached requests to the ISP DNS servers that was hooked up to my LAN. This worked great for years. When I hooked up the traffic manager, I added the other ISP dns servers to the list of forwarders in my BIND config. After all, half the reason I picked up the traffic manager was for redundancy (in case ISP link 1 goes down, etc.). Once I added the other ISP forwarder I started to notice delays in DNS queries. Since the traffic manager is spitting out my traffic on 3 different ISP I believe this is where the problem is. If my BIND sends a forward query to ISP DNS 1, but the query is actually sent via ISP data link 2, or 3 then when DNS server 1 receives the request it is saying "I don't think so stranger". Then my BIND retries until it actually get the magic ISP DNS on the correct ISP link. End result = Ring, Ring, Why does my browser take so long to load!. I realize I could just ditch forwarding all together, but I prefer to let an upstream ISP server handle the load & not constantly bother the top level servers for every new request we get. A solution I think would be to forward my dns queries to a server that will accept from any of our ISP lines. I don't think I really trust the old 4.2.2.2, but I noticed Goggle has a public dns service @ 8.8.8.8. This could solve my problems. Does anyone have an opinion on using the Goggle DNS? I have also considered putting a box on the outside of the traffic manager with 3 nics (one hooked into each ISP) & running BIND that way. Although I fell this would work fine, it just seems like more work that I want to do & yet another thing I will have to worry about. Another option is the wan manager has QoS I can setup so all my external DNS forward requests go via one of the links. I am reluctant to go this route, and I want to keep things as redundant as possible. Sorry for the long winded post. Thanks! B-o-B _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com Thu Jan 13 12:41:13 2011 From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:41:13 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] open source opportunity in MN Message-ID: Does any one have any open source projects they contribute to here in MN ? I am interested in working on one locally. Ways I can contribute, web work, create media to promote projects. Writing support documentation for techs or end users. Write php/mysql, html, css. Hosting a project would not be a problem. If there are not any projects going on currently what would you like to see? What would you be interested in working on? ,Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110113/0f9bacc8/attachment.htm From kevin.grelling at gmail.com Thu Jan 13 12:49:12 2011 From: kevin.grelling at gmail.com (Kevin P. Grelling) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:49:12 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] forwarding to Google Public DNS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D2F4928.9080206@gmail.com> I use a free DNS benchmarking piece of software to actually test my DNS fallback servers. Out of the box, this tool can measure the raw performance of a whole variety of publicly available DNS servers as they perform ON YOUR NETWORK. This means that if you have a slow route to OpenDNS, but a fast one to google for network topology reasons, this tool will show that. It is really worth a look for anyone wanting to speed up their DNS performance. If you run your own DNS server with forwarding, make sure you compare the *non-cached* performance parameters (your local DNS should win hands down for any cached requests) On a LUG, it is probably bad form to recommend a MS windows utility, but flame away, this tool performs a useful task: http://www.grc.com/dns/benchmark.htm -- Kevin Ubuntu Server 10.04 On 1/13/2011 10:44 AM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > Hello, and a good day to you all. I was wondering if anyone has ever used > the public Goggle DNS servers, and if they are reliable. > > I recently installed a WAN traffic manager at two of our locations. > > http://www.ecessa.com/pages/products/products_powerlink_pl200.php > > These units are cool. I am now bonding 3 isp data connections at one > location, and two isp connections at the other. It also allows me to do > line bonding for site to site vpn connections which was a selling point > for me (why is the system slow calls from the remote office have > seriously decreased :) ). > > Since I installed this unit, I have notice a slight performance hit in the > DNS department. Internally I have a Slackware box running BIND as a > caching nameserver. Beneath that there are a > handful of M$ (sorry guys, > but it's a business& corporate is clueless) AD - DNS servers that > maintain& handle the local dns > & forward external requests to the Slackware BIND box. Prior to > installing the traffic manager, I had BIND setup to forward its > unknown non-cached requests > to the ISP DNS servers that was hooked up to my LAN. This worked great > for years. When I hooked up the traffic manager, I added the other ISP > dns servers to the list of forwarders in my BIND config. After all, > half the reason I picked up the traffic manager was for redundancy (in > case ISP link 1 goes down, etc.). Once I added the other ISP forwarder I > started to notice delays in DNS queries. Since the traffic manager is > spitting out my traffic on 3 different ISP I believe this is where the > problem is. If my BIND sends a forward query to ISP DNS 1, but the query > is actually sent via ISP data link 2, or 3 then when DNS server 1 > receives the request it is saying "I don't think so stranger". Then my > BIND retries until it actually get the magic ISP DNS on the correct ISP > link. End result = Ring, Ring, Why does my browser take so long to > load!. > > I realize I could just ditch forwarding all together, but I prefer to let > an upstream ISP server handle the load& not constantly bother the top > level servers for every new request we get. A solution I think would be > to forward my dns queries to a server that will accept from any of our ISP > lines. I don't think I really trust the old 4.2.2.2, but I noticed Goggle > has a public dns service @ 8.8.8.8. This could solve my problems. > > Does anyone have an opinion on using the Goggle DNS? > > I have also considered putting a box on the outside of the traffic manager > with 3 nics (one hooked into each ISP)& running BIND that way. Although I > fell this would work fine, it just seems like more work that I want to do > & yet another thing I will have to worry about. > > Another option is the wan manager has QoS I can setup so all my > external DNS > forward requests go via one of the links. I am reluctant to go this route, > and I want to keep things as redundant as possible. > > Sorry for the long winded post. > > Thanks! > > B-o-B > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110113/782bc3cb/attachment.htm From jus at krytosvirus.com Thu Jan 13 13:08:35 2011 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:08:35 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] open source opportunity in MN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1294945715.2203.1189.camel@sysadmin3a> I know Nagios is local. Though they now also have a commercial version that includes proprietary bits as well. As I recall from the PenguinsUnbound meeting with Ethan (Nagios founder) he did say that the majority of the code was still open. I don't have any insight on getting active in that project but I am sure they would be willing to lend suggestions themselves. Also they have a large and growing plugin community which could be a good place to start. Aside from that I can't think of any projects off the top of my head. I like the Roundcube webmail project. They recently released 0.5-stable and is a quite nice webmail application, much better than squirrelmail, horde/imp, imail, @mail, and pretty much every other foss webmail app I have tried. Mail apps like Zimbra are way overkill when you're just looking for a mail client. Of course Roundcube is not based in the US even. -----Original Message----- From: r j Reply-to: TCLUG Mailing List To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: [tclug-list] open source opportunity in MN Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:41:13 -0600 Does any one have any open source projects they contribute to here in MN ? I am interested in working on one locally. Ways I can contribute, web work, create media to promote projects. Writing support documentation for techs or end users. Write php/mysql, html, css. Hosting a project would not be a problem. If there are not any projects going on currently what would you like to see? What would you be interested in working on? ,Ron _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110113/69adfbdd/attachment.htm From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Thu Jan 13 13:34:42 2011 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu, embedded engineer, Linux user) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:34:42 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] open source opportunity in MN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110113133442.e23487ea.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> I'm part of Project Phoenix, an IEEE study group working on an open source blood pressure monitor. I recently started a new Linux distro called Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org), which offers the unique combination of lightweight operation, the Debian repository, AND user-friendliness. Version 0.0.3 is coming out this week. In addition to the special edition Taylor Swift Linux, I'll also be releasing additional special editions like iCarly Swift Linux and Magnum P.I. Swift Linux. On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:41:13 -0600 r j wrote: > Does any one have any open source projects they contribute to here in MN ? > I am interested in working on one locally. > Ways I can contribute, web work, create media to promote projects. > Writing support documentation for techs or end users. > Write php/mysql, html, css. > Hosting a project would not be a problem. > > If there are not any projects going on currently what would you like to see? > What would you be interested in working on? > > ,Ron > -- Jason Hsu Creator of Swift Linux http://www.swiftlinux.org/ From jjensen at apache.org Thu Jan 13 13:34:18 2011 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 13:34:18 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] open source opportunity in MN In-Reply-To: <1294945715.2203.1189.camel@sysadmin3a> References: <1294945715.2203.1189.camel@sysadmin3a> Message-ID: What "type" are you looking for? e.g. frameworks (Java, .net, et al, server products (a la Nagios), or "any"? There's a couple I work on that can use some serious docu updates, reorg, et al; they are Java frameworks. Why "MN local" only? I collaborate with people from around the world on them, and distance is irrelevant. Wondering what you are looking for to understand. On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Justin Krejci wrote: > I know Nagios is local. Though they now also have a commercial version > that includes proprietary bits as well. As I recall from the PenguinsUnbound > meeting with Ethan (Nagios founder) he did say that the majority of the code > was still open. I don't have any insight on getting active in that project > but I am sure they would be willing to lend suggestions themselves. Also > they have a large and growing plugin community which could be a good place > to start. > > Aside from that I can't think of any projects off the top of my head. > I like the Roundcube webmail project. They recently released 0.5-stable and > is a quite nice webmail application, much better than squirrelmail, > horde/imp, imail, @mail, and pretty much every other foss webmail app I have > tried. Mail apps like Zimbra are way overkill when you're just looking for a > mail client. Of course Roundcube is not based in the US even. > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From*: r j > > > *Reply-to*: TCLUG Mailing List > *To*: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > *Subject*: [tclug-list] open source opportunity in MN > *Date*: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:41:13 -0600 > > Does any one have any open source projects they contribute to here in MN ? > I am interested in working on one locally. > Ways I can contribute, web work, create media to promote projects. > Writing support documentation for techs or end users. > Write php/mysql, html, css. > Hosting a project would not be a problem. > > If there are not any projects going on currently what would you like to > see? > What would you be interested in working on? > > ,Ron > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesotatclug-list at mn-linux.orghttp://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110113/52ce527f/attachment-0001.htm From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Thu Jan 13 14:32:09 2011 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:32:09 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] forwarding to Google Public DNS In-Reply-To: <1631484756-1294938351-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-396273507-@bda588.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1631484756-1294938351-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-396273507-@bda588.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Justin Krejci cried from the depths of the abyss... > Does your traffic manager support static routing configurations so as to force traffic to the isp caching dns servers down their respective links? I've used fatpipe units similar to what it sounds like you have and this was possible on them. Off hand I didn't notice anything like this, but I will check. This is a good idea. > I have no experience with google dns but I really like opendns quite a bit (also free). Thanks for this tip. > Setting up your local caching dns server(s) to handle all of your queries sounds like the best solution to me overall though. Do you mean ditch the forwarding altogether, and just let my BIND box do what it does best? Thanks! B-o-B From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Thu Jan 13 14:34:21 2011 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:34:21 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] forwarding to Google Public DNS In-Reply-To: <4D2F4928.9080206@gmail.com> References: <4D2F4928.9080206@gmail.com> Message-ID: Kevin P. Grelling cried from the depths of the abyss... > I use a free DNS benchmarking piece of software to actually test my DNS fallback servers.? Out of the box, this tool > can measure the raw performance of a whole variety of publicly available DNS servers as they perform ON YOUR NETWORK. > This means that if you have a slow route to OpenDNS, but a fast one to google for network topology reasons, this tool > will show that. > > It is really worth a look for anyone wanting to speed up their DNS performance.? If you run your own DNS server > with forwarding, make sure you compare the *non-cached* performance parameters (your local DNS should win hands down > for any cached requests) > > On a LUG, it is probably bad form to recommend a MS windows utility, but flame away, this tool performs a useful task: > > http://www.grc.com/dns/benchmark.htm > Nice. Thanks for the link. This will help a lot! B-o-B From nesius at gmail.com Thu Jan 13 16:39:20 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:39:20 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] forwarding to Google Public DNS In-Reply-To: References: <1631484756-1294938351-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-396273507-@bda588.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: To the question of "Do I use google DNS" (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4) the answer is "yes", but only for personal use. I've never had issues with it though, and when I've done ping tests to explore latency issues, the google dns servers have never been more than a few ms slower than my ISP's DNS, and sometimes they are faster. I've wondered why google offers free dns - I'm guessing they are logging every name they resolve and building pictures of "popularity, etc..." I wonder if it eventually feeds into their search algorithm page ranks. -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110113/c1fc901c/attachment.htm From nesius at gmail.com Thu Jan 13 16:41:49 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 16:41:49 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] open source opportunity in MN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:41 PM, r j wrote: > Does any one have any open source projects they contribute to here in MN ? > I am interested in working on one locally. > Ways I can contribute, web work, create media to promote projects. > Writing support documentation for techs or end users. > Write php/mysql, html, css. > Hosting a project would not be a problem. > > If there are not any projects going on currently what would you like to > see? > What would you be interested in working on? > > ,Ron > Why constrain yourself geographically? Find a project you like and jump in. There are a lot of projects that would love to have someone with your skills help out. -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110113/af8c8632/attachment.htm From simmonsj at redkeep.com Thu Jan 13 17:42:56 2011 From: simmonsj at redkeep.com (J.A. Simmons V) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:42:56 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] forwarding to Google Public DNS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have previously setup google DNS as a failover/last resort on all my networks (personal and commercial). This proved to be quite useful during the last Comcast DNS outage a few months ago. I have never seen 8.8.8.8 down, but I also have not been keeping an unblinking eye on it either. In case you have not seen it yet, Google offers various reason to add their DNS servers to your repertoire. http://code.google.com/speed/public-dns/ My $0.02, it doesn't hurt to have a back up to a back up, and Google is more capable of maintaining those five 9's then anyone else in my opinion Comcast. Simmons -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110113/7414c2a2/attachment.htm From sulrich at botwerks.org Thu Jan 13 19:19:33 2011 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 19:19:33 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] forwarding to Google Public DNS In-Reply-To: References: <1631484756-1294938351-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-396273507-@bda588.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: there's a considerable amount of value in having visibility into dns queries and performance. also interesting as we see more ipv6 content and endpoints coming online. -- steve ulrich sent from my mobile On Jan 13, 2011, at 16:39, Robert Nesius wrote: > To the question of "Do I use google DNS" (8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4) the answer is "yes", but only for personal use. I've never had issues with it though, and when I've done ping tests to explore latency issues, the google dns servers have never been more than a few ms slower than my ISP's DNS, and sometimes they are faster. > > I've wondered why google offers free dns - I'm guessing they are logging every name they resolve and building pictures of "popularity, etc..." I wonder if it eventually feeds into their search algorithm page ranks. > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclugl at whitleymott.net Thu Jan 13 20:18:40 2011 From: tclugl at whitleymott.net (gregwm) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:18:40 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] remote control w/o trashing video In-Reply-To: <4D276A96.90605@hissingdragon.net> References: <4D276A96.90605@hissingdragon.net> Message-ID: > > > it would also be nice to know how to view youtube and suchlike in > > more favorable players such as vlc or mplayer but that's a separate > > question. > > After the youtube video has completely buffered, copy the > /tmp/Flashblahblah file to something like ~/file.swf, and convert it to > an avi: > > $ mencoder file.swf -o file.avi -oac mp3lame -lavcopts > acodec=mp3:abitrate=128 -ovc xvid -xvidencopts pass=2:bitrate=1600 > > $ vlc file.avi > or just $ mplayer /tmp/Flashblahblah thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110113/3cb51179/attachment.htm From kjh at flyballdogs.com Thu Jan 13 20:29:48 2011 From: kjh at flyballdogs.com (Kathryn Hogg) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:29:48 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] remote control w/o trashing video In-Reply-To: References: <4D276A96.90605@hissingdragon.net> Message-ID: <56b96c28f427ef0a47ed96863a8e3029.squirrel@flyballdogs.com> just use youtube-dl to download the file and then play it with vlc, mplayer, xine, etc $ youtube-dl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boCRch_9R1Y [youtube] Setting language [youtube] boCRch_9R1Y: Downloading video webpage [youtube] boCRch_9R1Y: Downloading video info webpage [youtube] boCRch_9R1Y: Extracting video information [download] Destination: boCRch_9R1Y.mp4 -- Kathryn http://womensfooty.com US Freedom Signup: http://womensfooty.com/freedom/2011 From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Fri Jan 14 08:19:43 2011 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 08:19:43 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] bash - tee stdout and stderr to log In-Reply-To: References: <4D2DFBF0.7090901@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <4D305B7F.2080702@trutwins.homeip.net> > If you just want to put the stdout and stderr together, this works at > least in recent-enough versions of bash: > > ./prog.sh 2>&1 | tee prog.log > > But that's what you have above, so I think either you are not in a bash > shell or you have an old bash version. For me: > > $ echo $BASH_VERSION > 4.0.33(1)-release Well my version of bash is newer than yours - 4.1.7(1)-release. :) So I expect my test was incorrect. Let me go back and check things out. Thanks all for the great info in the thread. Josh From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Fri Jan 14 08:24:05 2011 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 08:24:05 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] forwarding to Google Public DNS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D305C85.3080409@trutwins.homeip.net> On 1/13/2011 10:44 AM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > Hello, and a good day to you all. I was wondering if anyone has ever used > the public Goggle DNS servers, and if they are reliable. Haven't but will check em out - personally I prefer OpenDNS for public DNS servers - we use them here at CSB/SJU and they are very good to work with and extremely reliable. Their malware filters are also very good, nothing like blocking malware sites at the DNS level. Something about sending all my DNS queries to google also just kinda sets the hairs on the back of my neck up. :) Josh From admin at lctn.org Fri Jan 14 09:12:23 2011 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:12:23 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] need help creating html or php page for camera Message-ID: <4D3067D7.9090003@lctn.org> I am using lirc and a a usb attached IR blaster to control a camera capable of panning to right, left, up and down. I can control it via irsend with the following commands: irsend send_once WL-V1 home irsend send_once WL-V1 right irsend send_once WL-V1 left irsend send_once WL-V1 up irsend send_once WL-V1 down I tried my hand at creating a php page for this (forgetting the commands now) and was able to get it to respond to a single command. I need to create a page that has a menu to use all the cameras functionality and display the video output. Anyone have information on how to accomplish this via a php or html web page? From sloncho at gmail.com Fri Jan 14 10:08:28 2011 From: sloncho at gmail.com (Sunny) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:08:28 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] open source opportunity in MN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:41 PM, r j wrote: > Does any one have any open source projects they contribute to here in MN ? > I am interested in working on one locally. > Ways I can contribute,? web work, create media to promote projects. > ?Writing support documentation for techs or end users. > ?Write php/mysql, html, css. > Hosting a project would not be a problem. > > If there are not any projects going on currently what would you like to see? > What would you be interested in working on? > > ,Ron AFAIK Codeweavers (they stay behind wine project) are local. So, check the wine project. -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Fri Jan 14 10:26:46 2011 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:26:46 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] need help creating html or php page for camera In-Reply-To: <4D3067D7.9090003@lctn.org> References: <4D3067D7.9090003@lctn.org> Message-ID: Raymond Norton cried from the depths of the abyss... > I am using lirc and a a usb attached IR blaster to control a camera > capable of panning to right, left, up and down. > > I can control it via irsend with the following commands: > > irsend send_once WL-V1 home > irsend send_once WL-V1 right > irsend send_once WL-V1 left > irsend send_once WL-V1 up > irsend send_once WL-V1 down > > I tried my hand at creating a php page for this (forgetting the commands > now) and was able to get it to respond to a single command. I need to > create a page that has a menu to use all the cameras functionality and > display the video output. > > Anyone have information on how to accomplish this via a php or html web > page? > I honestly have no experience with this, but I do a lot of PHP coding. You can call system commands from your .php script using the exec() function. http://php.net/manual/en/function.exec.php Since you have already figured it out from your shell, you simply exec(irsend send_once WL-V1 down); for example. As for the video, how is that hooked up? To a TV tuner card? From admin at lctn.org Fri Jan 14 11:17:05 2011 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 11:17:05 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] need help creating html or php page for camera In-Reply-To: References: <4D3067D7.9090003@lctn.org> Message-ID: <4D308511.7030503@lctn.org> The example I found in the past used "system" rather than "exec". However, either one works. This is what I have for turning the camera "right" I created an html page with an href to cam-right.php. It works fine, but by design launches cam-right.php, when all I really want to do is execute it and stay on the page with the camera video and control menu. Is there a good doc on creating a menu on a php page that just executes the irsend commands? The camera will send video out via svhs or composite to a capture card on the server. On 01/14/2011 10:26 AM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > Raymond Norton cried from the depths of the abyss... > > >> I am using lirc and a a usb attached IR blaster to control a camera >> capable of panning to right, left, up and down. >> >> I can control it via irsend with the following commands: >> >> irsend send_once WL-V1 home >> irsend send_once WL-V1 right >> irsend send_once WL-V1 left >> irsend send_once WL-V1 up >> irsend send_once WL-V1 down >> >> I tried my hand at creating a php page for this (forgetting the commands >> now) and was able to get it to respond to a single command. I need to >> create a page that has a menu to use all the cameras functionality and >> display the video output. >> >> Anyone have information on how to accomplish this via a php or html web >> page? >> >> > I honestly have no experience with this, but I do a lot of PHP coding. > > You can call system commands from your .php script using the exec() > function. > > http://php.net/manual/en/function.exec.php > > Since you have already figured it out from your shell, you simply > > exec(irsend send_once WL-V1 down); > > for example. > > As for the video, how is that hooked up? To a TV tuner card? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From admin at lctn.org Fri Jan 14 12:39:58 2011 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:39:58 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] need help creating html or php page for camera In-Reply-To: <4D308511.7030503@lctn.org> References: <4D3067D7.9090003@lctn.org> <4D308511.7030503@lctn.org> Message-ID: <4D30987E.1050207@lctn.org> I created something that will work fine for me via the following: Menu.php: Right - Left - Home - Up - Down - Zoom Out - Zoom In - cam-zt.php: On 01/14/2011 11:17 AM, Raymond Norton wrote: > The example I found in the past used "system" rather than "exec". > However, either one works. > > This is what I have for turning the camera "right" > > > exec ('irsend send_once --count=20 WL-V1 right'); > ?> > > > I created an html page with an href to cam-right.php. It works fine, but > by design launches cam-right.php, when all I really want to do is > execute it and stay on the page with the camera video and control menu. > Is there a good doc on creating a menu on a php page that just executes > the irsend commands? > > The camera will send video out via svhs or composite to a capture card > on the server. > > > > > > On 01/14/2011 10:26 AM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > >> Raymond Norton cried from the depths of the abyss... >> >> >> >>> I am using lirc and a a usb attached IR blaster to control a camera >>> capable of panning to right, left, up and down. >>> >>> I can control it via irsend with the following commands: >>> >>> irsend send_once WL-V1 home >>> irsend send_once WL-V1 right >>> irsend send_once WL-V1 left >>> irsend send_once WL-V1 up >>> irsend send_once WL-V1 down >>> >>> I tried my hand at creating a php page for this (forgetting the commands >>> now) and was able to get it to respond to a single command. I need to >>> create a page that has a menu to use all the cameras functionality and >>> display the video output. >>> >>> Anyone have information on how to accomplish this via a php or html web >>> page? >>> >>> >>> >> I honestly have no experience with this, but I do a lot of PHP coding. >> >> You can call system commands from your .php script using the exec() >> function. >> >> http://php.net/manual/en/function.exec.php >> >> Since you have already figured it out from your shell, you simply >> >> exec(irsend send_once WL-V1 down); >> >> for example. >> >> As for the video, how is that hooked up? To a TV tuner card? >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From ryanjcole at me.com Fri Jan 14 12:49:55 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 12:49:55 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] need help creating html or php page for camera In-Reply-To: <4D30987E.1050207@lctn.org> References: <4D3067D7.9090003@lctn.org> <4D308511.7030503@lctn.org> <4D30987E.1050207@lctn.org> Message-ID: <5CD53361-F167-460C-B6A6-DD5E40E4E1F9@me.com> I'd recommend AJAX instead for this with calls for each command as javascript but backending with PHP. :) On Jan 14, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Raymond Norton wrote: > I created something that will work fine for me via the following: > > Menu.php: > > > > Right - > Left - > Home - > Up - > Down - > Zoom Out - > Zoom In - > > > cam-zt.php: > > > exec ('irsend send_once --count=20 WL-V1 zoom-tele'); > ?> > > > > > > > On 01/14/2011 11:17 AM, Raymond Norton wrote: >> The example I found in the past used "system" rather than "exec". >> However, either one works. >> >> This is what I have for turning the camera "right" >> >> > >> exec ('irsend send_once --count=20 WL-V1 right'); >> ?> >> >> >> I created an html page with an href to cam-right.php. It works fine, but >> by design launches cam-right.php, when all I really want to do is >> execute it and stay on the page with the camera video and control menu. >> Is there a good doc on creating a menu on a php page that just executes >> the irsend commands? >> >> The camera will send video out via svhs or composite to a capture card >> on the server. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 01/14/2011 10:26 AM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: >> >>> Raymond Norton cried from the depths of the abyss... >>> >>> >>> >>>> I am using lirc and a a usb attached IR blaster to control a camera >>>> capable of panning to right, left, up and down. >>>> >>>> I can control it via irsend with the following commands: >>>> >>>> irsend send_once WL-V1 home >>>> irsend send_once WL-V1 right >>>> irsend send_once WL-V1 left >>>> irsend send_once WL-V1 up >>>> irsend send_once WL-V1 down >>>> >>>> I tried my hand at creating a php page for this (forgetting the commands >>>> now) and was able to get it to respond to a single command. I need to >>>> create a page that has a menu to use all the cameras functionality and >>>> display the video output. >>>> >>>> Anyone have information on how to accomplish this via a php or html web >>>> page? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> I honestly have no experience with this, but I do a lot of PHP coding. >>> >>> You can call system commands from your .php script using the exec() >>> function. >>> >>> http://php.net/manual/en/function.exec.php >>> >>> Since you have already figured it out from your shell, you simply >>> >>> exec(irsend send_once WL-V1 down); >>> >>> for example. >>> >>> As for the video, how is that hooked up? To a TV tuner card? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com Fri Jan 14 18:07:03 2011 From: rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com (rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 18:07:03 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Replacing the I-beam cursor system wide. Message-ID: <4D30E527.6040506@gmail.com> Is it possible to replace the I-beam cursor system wide through X or Wayland (trying to think ahead here)? In explanation, years ago I suggested (to deafening silence), that Open Office offer a block/blinking block or underscore/blinking underscore cursor. However, I'd prefer no I-beam cursor in any application (browser, spreadsheet, email ... you name it). If I understand correctly, X displays what the application directs. Would it be possible to amend X to display a different cursor anytime it's directed by the application to display the I-beam? From james007wjs at gmail.com Fri Jan 14 21:18:21 2011 From: james007wjs at gmail.com (wes smith) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 21:18:21 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Ripping audio cds Message-ID: I'm looking for a decent way to rip cd's to flac. Grip pulls in gnome deps which I don't want. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110114/7ebc65d5/attachment.htm From tclugl at whitleymott.net Fri Jan 14 23:36:15 2011 From: tclugl at whitleymott.net (gregwm) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 23:36:15 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] remote control w/o trashing video In-Reply-To: References: <4D276A96.90605@hissingdragon.net> Message-ID: > > > it would also be nice to know how to view youtube and suchlike in >> > more favorable players such as vlc or mplayer but that's a separate >> > question. >> >> After the youtube video has completely buffered, copy the >> /tmp/Flashblahblah file to something like ~/file.swf, and convert it to >> an avi: >> >> $ mencoder file.swf -o file.avi -oac mp3lame -lavcopts >> acodec=mp3:abitrate=128 -ovc xvid -xvidencopts pass=2:bitrate=1600 >> >> $ vlc file.avi >> > > or just > $ mplayer /tmp/Flashblahblah > > thanks! > i can't find any likely flash/cache file during or after playing a ted talk, eg http://www.ted.com/talks/rufus_griscom_alisa_volkman_let_s_talk_parenting_taboos.html any idea? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110114/992ab5b7/attachment.htm From mjb at umn.edu Sat Jan 15 05:24:38 2011 From: mjb at umn.edu (Michael Berkowski) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 05:24:38 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Ripping audio cds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jan 14, 2011 10:24 PM, "wes smith" wrote: > > I'm looking for a decent way to rip cd's to flac. Grip pulls in gnome deps which I don't want. There's a great little shell script called abcde which wraps a few.CLI utilities. It does flac and queries cddb but I don't think it can download cover art. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110115/8d51b9be/attachment.htm From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Sat Jan 15 08:18:43 2011 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 08:18:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Ripping audio cds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: wes smith cried from the depths of the abyss... > I'm looking for a decent way to rip cd's to flac. ?Grip pulls in gnome deps which I don't want. > I like to use the Perl Audio converter http://pacpl.sourceforge.net/ It's a handy tools. B-o-B From jhawley at hissingdragon.net Sat Jan 15 10:56:48 2011 From: jhawley at hissingdragon.net (John Hawley) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 10:56:48 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] remote control w/o trashing video In-Reply-To: References: <4D276A96.90605@hissingdragon.net> Message-ID: <4D31D1D0.5020705@hissingdragon.net> On 01/14/2011 11:36 PM, gregwm wrote: > > > it would also be nice to know how to view youtube and > suchlike in > > more favorable players such as vlc or mplayer but that's a > separate > > question. > > After the youtube video has completely buffered, copy the > /tmp/Flashblahblah file to something like ~/file.swf, and > convert it to > an avi: > > $ mencoder file.swf -o file.avi -oac mp3lame -lavcopts > acodec=mp3:abitrate=128 -ovc xvid -xvidencopts pass=2:bitrate=1600 > > $ vlc file.avi > > > or just > $ mplayer /tmp/Flashblahblah > > thanks! > > > i can't find any likely flash/cache file during or after playing a ted > talk, eg > http://www.ted.com/talks/rufus_griscom_alisa_volkman_let_s_talk_parenting_taboos.html > any idea? uh, there's a download link right under the video window. :) guess this site streams w/o buffering to a temp file. ~jh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110115/da58e049/attachment-0001.htm From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Jan 16 11:53:50 2011 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 11:53:50 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] comcast and IPv6 Message-ID: <4D3330AE.9090409@mtu.net> Has anyone on the list setup IPv6 on comcast using 6rd? I've got mine setup and I can connect outbound just fine and my internal machines all have IPv6 addresses now and I've got an IPv6 firewall on my router. However I can't seem to connect from the outside to my machine. When I traceroute6 from an external IPv6 site I get within 2 hops of my machine (as compared to my outbound traceroute6) and then it just dies. Has anyone got inbound working or know if comcast blocks inbound IPv6? I tried email support and online chat with comcast and got no help. I was going to call them, but before I get on the phone wanted to see if anyone else has tried this. -- Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. From sulrich at botwerks.org Sun Jan 16 13:19:21 2011 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 13:19:21 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] comcast and IPv6 In-Reply-To: <4D3330AE.9090409@mtu.net> References: <4D3330AE.9090409@mtu.net> Message-ID: <794050F3-A743-4CA2-B3E7-68F3DC73527A@botwerks.org> I've used the 6rd trial a number of times as an alternate for testing at home and it's been transparent. I haven't had any return path issues. what 6rd client are you using? -- steve ulrich sent from my mobile On Jan 16, 2011, at 11:53, Jon Schewe wrote: > Has anyone on the list setup IPv6 on comcast using 6rd? I've got mine > setup and I can connect outbound just fine and my internal machines all > have IPv6 addresses now and I've got an IPv6 firewall on my router. > However I can't seem to connect from the outside to my machine. When I > traceroute6 from an external IPv6 site I get within 2 hops of my machine > (as compared to my outbound traceroute6) and then it just dies. Has > anyone got inbound working or know if comcast blocks inbound IPv6? I > tried email support and online chat with comcast and got no help. I was > going to call them, but before I get on the phone wanted to see if > anyone else has tried this. > > -- > Jon Schewe | http://mtu.net/~jpschewe > If you see an attachment named signature.asc, this is my digital > signature. See http://www.gnupg.org for more information. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ubusum at ymail.com Sun Jan 16 13:28:00 2011 From: ubusum at ymail.com (Ubu Sumner) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 11:28:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: [tclug-list] Are there any Linux or freeware tools for recovering a lost WinXP partition? Message-ID: <471049.59876.qm@web59405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I ran Partition Magic on a family member's single boot XP machine, changing an empty logical partition to an active-primary partition, and it didn't take. Lost the partition table. I didn't back up their logical data NTFS partition externally, and that's what I'd like to try to recover. Thanks for any pointers. Right now I'm expecting to reformat the drive and restore an older data archive, resulting in the loss of some recent data. Bruce I am aware of custom utilities, but can't justify the cost with the perceived value of the data lost. for example: http://www.icare-recovery.com/partition-recovery.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110116/0e1d5098/attachment.htm From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Jan 16 14:02:24 2011 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 14:02:24 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] comcast and IPv6 In-Reply-To: <794050F3-A743-4CA2-B3E7-68F3DC73527A@botwerks.org> References: <4D3330AE.9090409@mtu.net> <794050F3-A743-4CA2-B3E7-68F3DC73527A@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <4D334ED0.3060303@mtu.net> On 01/16/2011 01:19 PM, steve ulrich wrote: > I've used the 6rd trial a number of times as an alternate for testing at home and it's been transparent. I haven't had any return path issues. what 6rd client are you using? > > I'm using Ubuntu Linux as my client. Have you tried connecting to your home network from outside via IPv6? If you're willing to do some tests email me offlist and we can exchange IPv6 addresses. From kc0iog at gmail.com Sun Jan 16 17:07:00 2011 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:07:00 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Are there any Linux or freeware tools for recovering a lost WinXP partition? In-Reply-To: <471049.59876.qm@web59405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <471049.59876.qm@web59405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Ubu Sumner wrote: > > I ran Partition Magic on a family member's single boot XP machine, changing an empty logical partition to an active-primary partition, and it didn't take. Lost the partition table. If all you've done is whack the partition table, but didn't reformat or otherwise change the data in the filesystem, use 'testdisk' in linux to hunt down the partition boundaries and write out the new table. Once the new table is written, viola, the filesystems appear. I've been here before, and testdisk saved my butt :-) Brian From ryanjcole at me.com Sun Jan 16 17:28:44 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:28:44 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Are there any Linux or freeware tools for recovering a lost WinXP partition? In-Reply-To: References: <471049.59876.qm@web59405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Interesting point and tip. No chance that works on RAID screw-ups, right? Not that I have those drives intact anymore... That was my second mistake. On Jan 16, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Brian Wall wrote: > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Ubu Sumner wrote: >> >> I ran Partition Magic on a family member's single boot XP machine, changing an empty logical partition to an active-primary partition, and it didn't take. Lost the partition table. > > If all you've done is whack the partition table, but didn't reformat > or otherwise change the data in the filesystem, use 'testdisk' in > linux to hunt down the partition boundaries and write out the new > table. Once the new table is written, viola, the filesystems appear. > > I've been here before, and testdisk saved my butt :-) > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bgilbertson at rrt.net Sun Jan 16 18:12:31 2011 From: bgilbertson at rrt.net (Robert Gilbertson) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:12:31 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Are there any Linux or freeware tools for recovering a lost WinXPpartition? Message-ID: <4d33896f.385f.b0975b90.5c88272e@rrt.net> gpart may also be useful. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gpart On Sunday 16/01/2011 at 5:13 pm, Brian Wall wrote: > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Ubu Sumner wrote: >> >> >> I ran Partition Magic on a family member's single boot XP machine, >> changing an empty logical partition to an active-primary partition, >> and it didn't take. Lost the partition table. > > If all you've done is whack the partition table, but didn't reformat > or otherwise change the data in the filesystem, use 'testdisk' in > linux to hunt down the partition boundaries and write out the new > table. Once the new table is written, viola, the filesystems appear. > > I've been here before, and testdisk saved my butt :-) > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110116/acb0a876/attachment.htm From kc0iog at gmail.com Sun Jan 16 18:57:08 2011 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 18:57:08 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Are there any Linux or freeware tools for recovering a lost WinXP partition? In-Reply-To: References: <471049.59876.qm@web59405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Interesting point and tip. ?No chance that works on RAID screw-ups, right? Not that I have those drives intact anymore... That was my second mistake. > Assuming you still have one half of the R5P3 stripe, you can recover the RAID partition. Then you only need to remember HALF of the bits! Brian From ubusum at ymail.com Sun Jan 16 22:13:28 2011 From: ubusum at ymail.com (Ubu Sumner) Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:13:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [tclug-list] Are there any Linux or freeware tools for recovering a lost WinXP partition? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <26860.11709.qm@web59404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Sounds like a good challenge for me Brian. Thank you, I will look into this. Anyway to reliably "whack" a partition table to make a practice drive before trying the real thing? If it helps, have a pretty good idea of the partition sizes, and only care about the data partition (sys recovery about lowest 5GB; sys 30GB; empty 2nd sys 30GB; remainder data). (It would have been so easy to dump the data partition.) If all you've done is whack the partition table, but didn't reformat or otherwise change the data in the filesystem, use 'testdisk' in linux to hunt down the partition boundaries and write out the new table.? Once the new table is written, viola, the filesystems appear. I've been here before, and testdisk saved my butt :-) Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110116/124d7203/attachment.htm From random at argle.org Mon Jan 17 08:43:48 2011 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 08:43:48 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Are there any Linux or freeware tools for recovering a lost WinXP partition? In-Reply-To: <26860.11709.qm@web59404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <26860.11709.qm@web59404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D3455A4.5020100@argle.org> Apply your favorite partitioner, delete all partitions, save and exit. *WHACK* Thumb drives are nice quick practice implements. I <3 solid state storage. On 01/16/2011 10:13 PM, Ubu Sumner wrote: > Sounds like a good challenge for me Brian. Thank you, I will look into > this. Anyway to reliably "whack" a partition table to make a practice > drive before trying the real thing? > > If it helps, have a pretty good idea of the partition sizes, and only > care about the data partition (sys recovery about lowest 5GB; sys 30GB; > empty 2nd sys 30GB; remainder data). > > (It would have been so easy to dump the data partition.) > > > > > If all you've done is whack the partition table, but didn't reformat > or otherwise change the data in the filesystem, use 'testdisk' in > linux to hunt down the partition boundaries and write out the new > table. Once the new table is written, viola, the filesystems appear. > > I've been here before, and testdisk saved my butt :-) > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclugl at whitleymott.net Mon Jan 17 10:46:49 2011 From: tclugl at whitleymott.net (gregwm) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 10:46:49 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] remote sound? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > > i want to watch dvd's on one box and hear the sound out the soundcard on > > > another. shouldn't that be simple? > > > >> Looks like pulse audio can do this. I found this rather old article, >> but it can be a start: >> >> http://razor.occams.info/blog/2009/02/11/pulseaudio-sound-forwarding-across-a-network/ >> > > yay! thank you sunny > this has been working nicely for these 3 months, with sound forwarding from nearly any app, however just recently i no longer get sound from firefox or arora or chromium or vlc or audacity, yet sound is still forwarding just fine from mplayer and audacious. all sound still ought to forward due to env var PULSE_SERVER. ~/.pulse{,-cookie} are removed. perhaps for whatever reason some apps are now hooking into the dead local mobosound anyway? which got me suspicious, is the mobosound really dead? so i booted the lucid liveCD (still installed on harddisc by unetbootin). how about that, the liveCD is able to drive the mobosound just fine! well, so, i decided to install maverick. and guess what? both bash mplayer and gnome mplayer are mute, but meanwhile, lxde is happily clucking its silly sounds. can anyone give me some direction where to look next? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110117/b4626655/attachment.htm From tclugl at whitleymott.net Mon Jan 17 10:55:30 2011 From: tclugl at whitleymott.net (gregwm) Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 10:55:30 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] remote sound? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > bash mplayer and gnome mplayer are mute, but meanwhile, lxde is happily > clucking its silly sounds. > > can anyone give me some direction where to look next? > ok i found some more volume controls, and it's hunky dory now.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110117/b5c8f2a7/attachment.htm From sloncho at gmail.com Tue Jan 18 12:01:27 2011 From: sloncho at gmail.com (Sunny) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:01:27 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Are there any Linux or freeware tools for recovering a lost WinXP partition? In-Reply-To: <471049.59876.qm@web59405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <471049.59876.qm@web59405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Try testdisk utility - I had very good experience with it to recover broken partition tables. http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk This tool is part of systemrescuecd and other recovery live distros. On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Ubu Sumner wrote: > I ran Partition Magic on a family member's single boot XP machine, changing > an empty logical partition to an active-primary partition, and it didn't > take. Lost the partition table. > > I didn't back up their logical data NTFS partition externally, and that's > what I'd like to try to recover. > > Thanks for any pointers. Right now I'm expecting to reformat the drive and > restore an older data archive, resulting in the loss of some recent data. > > Bruce > > I am aware of custom utilities, but can't justify the cost with the > perceived value of the data lost. for example: > http://www.icare-recovery.com/partition-recovery.html > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110118/a22e92ef/attachment.htm From drmgiver at gmail.com Tue Jan 18 12:17:26 2011 From: drmgiver at gmail.com (Drmgiver) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:17:26 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro Message-ID: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> So, I have spent many years with Ubuntu, but I just recently fell in love with WindowMaker. Learning a bit about it I have found out that it isn't used very often any longer. But I am curious if anyone out there knows of any distro who uses it by default? Justin From tclug at freakzilla.com Tue Jan 18 12:28:17 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:28:17 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> Message-ID: I doubt there's any distro that uses it by 'default', but I've been using Window Maker for over a decade and it's MY default. I have no problem at all using it with Ubuntu, which is what I run on my desktop. I don't use gdm to login so it's really only running Window Maker. On Tue, 18 Jan 2011, Drmgiver wrote: > So, I have spent many years with Ubuntu, but I just recently fell in > love with WindowMaker. Learning a bit about it I have found out that it > isn't used very often any longer. But I am curious if anyone out there > knows of any distro who uses it by default? > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -Yaron -- From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Tue Jan 18 12:30:05 2011 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:30:05 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> Message-ID: Archlinux lets you customize your Linux system very well, and has an up to date WindowMaker package. I've been hooked on this distro for the past 10 years. It isn't for beginners, but they have an excellent getting started wiki and support community. A great way to really learn the guts of Linux but without the requirement of compiling packages. archlinux.org Jeremy MountainJohnson jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Drmgiver wrote: > So, I have spent many years with Ubuntu, but I just recently fell in > love with WindowMaker. ?Learning a bit about it I have found out that it > isn't used very often any longer. ?But I am curious if anyone out there > knows of any distro who uses it by default? > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mjb at umn.edu Tue Jan 18 12:50:38 2011 From: mjb at umn.edu (Michael Berkowski) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 12:50:38 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D35E0FE.5060504@umn.edu> On 1/18/2011 12:17 PM, Drmgiver wrote: > So, I have spent many years with Ubuntu, but I just recently fell in > love with WindowMaker. Learning a bit about it I have found out that it > isn't used very often any longer. But I am curious if anyone out there > knows of any distro who uses it by default? To me, it's almost a little incongruous to think of a classic window manager like Window Maker (or JWM, TWM, or my preferred FVWM, etc) as a "default" distribution component, since all of these act independently of the desktop integration aimed at by popular modern distributions. Puppy Linux uses (at my last encounter, ca 4.0) JWM as a default. If you uncheck the gnome box when installing Red Hat, you'll fall back to TWM. Instead, the classic bare window managers represent what I like most about running Linux. They are components as much as is your web browser or mail client, but usually invite (or require, in the case of FVWM) a very deep level of customization on which to fine-tune one's work environment. That's what I see as a poor fit for distributions in general -- a distribution, pretty much by definition, makes decisions about software inclusion to address either a very specific set of needs, or more commonly the most general set possible. In either case though, it's directed at specific/broad *groups of users*. In contrast, the classic window managers are better suited to selection & use by an individual who really understands his or her specific needs, keyboarding habits, window arrangement preferences, etc. My $0.02, +++++++++++++++++ Michael Berkowski Minitex / MnLINK Linux Systems Administrator and Programmer University of Minnesota 612.625.8736 mjb at umn.edu PGP Public key: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~berk0081/pgp/pubkey.asc +++++++++++++++++ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 251 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110118/ec2c3bac/attachment.pgp From samael.anon at gmail.com Tue Jan 18 15:48:50 2011 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 15:48:50 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: <4D35E0FE.5060504@umn.edu> References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D35E0FE.5060504@umn.edu> Message-ID: i think knoppix std uses it??? On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Michael Berkowski wrote: > On 1/18/2011 12:17 PM, Drmgiver wrote: > > So, I have spent many years with Ubuntu, but I just recently fell in > > love with WindowMaker. Learning a bit about it I have found out that it > > isn't used very often any longer. But I am curious if anyone out there > > knows of any distro who uses it by default? > > To me, it's almost a little incongruous to think of a classic window > manager like Window Maker (or JWM, TWM, or my preferred FVWM, etc) as a > "default" distribution component, since all of these act independently > of the desktop integration aimed at by popular modern distributions. > Puppy Linux uses (at my last encounter, ca 4.0) JWM as a default. If > you uncheck the gnome box when installing Red Hat, you'll fall back to TWM. > > Instead, the classic bare window managers represent what I like most > about running Linux. They are components as much as is your web browser > or mail client, but usually invite (or require, in the case of FVWM) a > very deep level of customization on which to fine-tune one's work > environment. That's what I see as a poor fit for distributions in > general -- a distribution, pretty much by definition, makes decisions > about software inclusion to address either a very specific set of needs, > or more commonly the most general set possible. In either case though, > it's directed at specific/broad *groups of users*. In contrast, the > classic window managers are better suited to selection & use by an > individual who really understands his or her specific needs, keyboarding > habits, window arrangement preferences, etc. > > My $0.02, > +++++++++++++++++ > Michael Berkowski > Minitex / MnLINK Linux Systems Administrator and Programmer > University of Minnesota > 612.625.8736 > mjb at umn.edu > PGP Public key: > http://www.tc.umn.edu/~berk0081/pgp/pubkey.asc > +++++++++++++++++ > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110118/a618383f/attachment.htm From tompoe at meltel.net Tue Jan 18 16:26:10 2011 From: tompoe at meltel.net (tom) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:26:10 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] FCC blesses Comcast/NBC merger Message-ID: <1295389570.10046.3.camel@localhost> In the name of what's best for Americans, Genachowski just blessed the merger of Comcast/NBC. Is Genachowski actually worse than his predecessor? A while back, FSF talked about a workaround for Internet, making it possible to act as a DNS server, or something. Anyone know where that speech is, calling on Open Source to knock out the middlemen from our Internet? Tom From kris.browne at gmail.com Tue Jan 18 16:39:05 2011 From: kris.browne at gmail.com (Kris Browne) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 16:39:05 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D35E0FE.5060504@umn.edu> Message-ID: The GNUstep environment is a bundle of WindowMaker and other software using Ojective-C and related OpenStep-clone bits. It's not quite a disto of it's own, but can be applied to run on top of other distros and be a pretty complete makeover. This ( http://io.debian.net/~tar/gnustep/ ) site describes the environment, includes a link to a live-CD to test drive it, package lists, and instructions to install. Having used NeXT in it's time, the full GNUstep bit does create a remarkably similar experience, though far more useful as you will have access to the full range of modern executables which would be nigh impossible to make work on NeXT- or Openstep. Kris Browne kris.browne at gmail.com 612-353-6969 612-408-4431 http://www.google.com/profiles/kris.browne "the least expensive, most bug-free line of code is the one you didn't have to write." - Steve Jobs On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 15:48, Samael wrote: > i think knoppix std uses it??? > > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Michael Berkowski wrote: > >> On 1/18/2011 12:17 PM, Drmgiver wrote: >> > So, I have spent many years with Ubuntu, but I just recently fell in >> > love with WindowMaker. Learning a bit about it I have found out that it >> > isn't used very often any longer. But I am curious if anyone out there >> > knows of any distro who uses it by default? >> >> To me, it's almost a little incongruous to think of a classic window >> manager like Window Maker (or JWM, TWM, or my preferred FVWM, etc) as a >> "default" distribution component, since all of these act independently >> of the desktop integration aimed at by popular modern distributions. >> Puppy Linux uses (at my last encounter, ca 4.0) JWM as a default. If >> you uncheck the gnome box when installing Red Hat, you'll fall back to >> TWM. >> >> Instead, the classic bare window managers represent what I like most >> about running Linux. They are components as much as is your web browser >> or mail client, but usually invite (or require, in the case of FVWM) a >> very deep level of customization on which to fine-tune one's work >> environment. That's what I see as a poor fit for distributions in >> general -- a distribution, pretty much by definition, makes decisions >> about software inclusion to address either a very specific set of needs, >> or more commonly the most general set possible. In either case though, >> it's directed at specific/broad *groups of users*. In contrast, the >> classic window managers are better suited to selection & use by an >> individual who really understands his or her specific needs, keyboarding >> habits, window arrangement preferences, etc. >> >> My $0.02, >> +++++++++++++++++ >> Michael Berkowski >> Minitex / MnLINK Linux Systems Administrator and Programmer >> University of Minnesota >> 612.625.8736 >> mjb at umn.edu >> PGP Public key: >> http://www.tc.umn.edu/~berk0081/pgp/pubkey.asc >> +++++++++++++++++ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110118/5396fad2/attachment-0001.htm From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Tue Jan 18 17:03:28 2011 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:03:28 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> Message-ID: Drmgiver cried from the depths of the abyss... > So, I have spent many years with Ubuntu, but I just recently fell in > love with WindowMaker. Learning a bit about it I have found out that it > isn't used very often any longer. But I am curious if anyone out there > knows of any distro who uses it by default? > Slackware includes this, but not as a default. From drmgiver at gmail.com Tue Jan 18 17:12:46 2011 From: drmgiver at gmail.com (Drmgiver) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:12:46 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D361E6E.8040404@gmail.com> Most distros include it in repos to my knowledge. As for Slackware, I know it is just me being me, but I refuse to use it based on how it got it's name. Justin On 01/18/2011 05:03 PM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > Drmgiver cried from the depths of the abyss... > >> So, I have spent many years with Ubuntu, but I just recently fell in >> love with WindowMaker. Learning a bit about it I have found out that it >> isn't used very often any longer. But I am curious if anyone out there >> knows of any distro who uses it by default? >> > Slackware includes this, but not as a default. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Tue Jan 18 21:59:00 2011 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (kelly) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 21:59:00 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D361E6E.8040404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0000173622@penguinpackets.com> Not a G_d fearing distro if I do say so myself :-) Praise Bob! Kelly ? > Tue Jan 18 2011 05:12:46 PM CST from "Drmgiver" >Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro > > > Most distros include it in repos to my knowledge. As for Slackware, I > know it is just me being me, but I refuse to use it based on how it got > it's name. > > Justin > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110118/6c3f5e97/attachment.htm From drmgiver at gmail.com Tue Jan 18 23:48:15 2011 From: drmgiver at gmail.com (Drmgiver) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:48:15 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: <0000173622@penguinpackets.com> References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D361E6E.8040404@gmail.com> <0000173622@penguinpackets.com> Message-ID: <4D367B1F.5050801@gmail.com> And fail. Justin On 01/18/2011 09:59 PM, kelly wrote: > > Not a G_d fearing distro if I do say so myself :-) > > Praise Bob! > > Kelly > > Tue Jan 18 2011 05:12:46 PM CST from "Drmgiver" > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro > > Most distros include it in repos to my knowledge. As for Slackware, I > know it is just me being me, but I refuse to use it based on how > it got > it's name. > > Justin > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110118/407da92e/attachment.htm From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 09:55:27 2011 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:55:27 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: <4D361E6E.8040404@gmail.com> References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D361E6E.8040404@gmail.com> Message-ID: Drmgiver cried from the depths of the abyss... > Most distros include it in repos to my knowledge. As for Slackware, I > know it is just me being me, but I refuse to use it based on how it got > it's name. > That is a shame. I have the same feeling about Ubuntu (which is an African word for not smart enough to use Slackware). I have installed Ubuntu for my Mom, and a handful of others that are challenged. It's a nice n00b distro. Once you grow some teeth, or need to put a server into production you might find the hand holding fisher price aspect of Ubuntu a turn off. This of course my is just my opinion. You should give it a try. It's lovely! From jus at krytosvirus.com Wed Jan 19 10:15:57 2011 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 10:15:57 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D361E6E.8040404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1295453757.760.91.camel@sysadmin3a> There is a server edition of Ubuntu (I am running it myself on a personal server) and it works well. It does not run X. For me the software management systems available is really about the only real significant factor for me for servers. How difficult is it to upgrade and stay current? What software is available in the repo for easy use? Most distros pretty much have no difficulty in compiling and running code otherwise that you download the source for. Many of the big differences between distros do not apply in this case. Where are the various config files located? What are the defaults for various apps? Logging, chroot, etc. That kind of stuff is generally not so egregiously different from one distro to another it does not matter. Gentoo has pretty bash colors by default. Since I am currently not using Gentoo anymore but liked their colors I snagged a Gentoo bash $PS1 variable and use it on ubuntu now. -----Original Message----- From: Mr. B-o-B Reply-to: TCLUG Mailing List To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 09:55:27 -0600 (CST) Mailer: Alpine 2.00 (LNX 1167 2008-08-23) Drmgiver cried from the depths of the abyss... > Most distros include it in repos to my knowledge. As for Slackware, I > know it is just me being me, but I refuse to use it based on how it got > it's name. > That is a shame. I have the same feeling about Ubuntu (which is an African word for not smart enough to use Slackware). I have installed Ubuntu for my Mom, and a handful of others that are challenged. It's a nice n00b distro. Once you grow some teeth, or need to put a server into production you might find the hand holding fisher price aspect of Ubuntu a turn off. This of course my is just my opinion. You should give it a try. It's lovely! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110119/b44bb297/attachment.htm From tclug at freakzilla.com Wed Jan 19 10:36:56 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 10:36:56 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D361E6E.8040404@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > That is a shame. I have the same feeling about Ubuntu (which is an > African word for not smart enough to use Slackware). Ooooh. Them's flame-war words. -Yaron -- From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 10:53:17 2011 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 10:53:17 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D361E6E.8040404@gmail.com> Message-ID: I can attest that I had an email loaded and ready to fire, but I thought better of it. I was also going to take a jab at the "depths of the abyss" thing, but I'm better than that. ;) -Erik On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Yaron wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > >> That is a shame. ?I have the same feeling about Ubuntu (which is an >> African word for not smart enough to use Slackware). > > Ooooh. Them's flame-war words. > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From jeruvin at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 11:00:18 2011 From: jeruvin at gmail.com (jason reynolds) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:00:18 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D361E6E.8040404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6664068360665859303@unknownmsgid> So funny. Thanks for cheering me up today. Jason Reynolds On Jan 19, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Yaron wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > >> That is a shame. I have the same feeling about Ubuntu (which is an >> African word for not smart enough to use Slackware). > > Ooooh. Them's flame-war words. > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drmgiver at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 11:08:28 2011 From: drmgiver at gmail.com (Drmgiver) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:08:28 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D361E6E.8040404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D371A8C.6050901@gmail.com> Ok seriously, can we get over the troll shit and act like adults? I have a right to my opinion sorry. The whole "slack" thing insults my faith. I won't be using that distro or any distro based on it. Get over it. Justin On 01/19/2011 09:55 AM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > Drmgiver cried from the depths of the abyss... > >> Most distros include it in repos to my knowledge. As for Slackware, I >> know it is just me being me, but I refuse to use it based on how it got >> it's name. >> > That is a shame. I have the same feeling about Ubuntu (which is an > African word for not smart enough to use Slackware). I have installed > Ubuntu for my Mom, and a handful of others that are challenged. It's a > nice n00b distro. Once you grow some teeth, or need to put a server into > production you might find the hand holding fisher price aspect of Ubuntu > a turn off. This of course my is just my opinion. > > You should give it a try. It's lovely! > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at freakzilla.com Wed Jan 19 11:25:36 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 11:25:36 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: <4D371A8C.6050901@gmail.com> References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D361E6E.8040404@gmail.com> <4D371A8C.6050901@gmail.com> Message-ID: Wow... telling people not to troll and act like adults in one sentance and then trolling and acting like a non-adult in the next! You win! On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Drmgiver wrote: > Ok seriously, can we get over the troll shit and act like adults? I > have a right to my opinion sorry. The whole "slack" thing insults my > faith. I won't be using that distro or any distro based on it. Get > over it. > > Justin > > On 01/19/2011 09:55 AM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: >> Drmgiver cried from the depths of the abyss... >> >>> Most distros include it in repos to my knowledge. As for Slackware, I >>> know it is just me being me, but I refuse to use it based on how it got >>> it's name. >>> >> That is a shame. I have the same feeling about Ubuntu (which is an >> African word for not smart enough to use Slackware). I have installed >> Ubuntu for my Mom, and a handful of others that are challenged. It's a >> nice n00b distro. Once you grow some teeth, or need to put a server into >> production you might find the hand holding fisher price aspect of Ubuntu >> a turn off. This of course my is just my opinion. >> >> You should give it a try. It's lovely! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -Yaron -- From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 12:01:42 2011 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:01:42 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: <4D371A8C.6050901@gmail.com> References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D361E6E.8040404@gmail.com> <4D371A8C.6050901@gmail.com> Message-ID: Drmgiver cried from the depths of the abyss... > Ok seriously, can we get over the troll shit and act like adults? I > have a right to my opinion sorry. The whole "slack" thing insults my > faith. I won't be using that distro or any distro based on it. Get > over it. > I'm sorry I had to fight in the middle of your Black Panther party. From drmgiver at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 12:26:47 2011 From: drmgiver at gmail.com (Drmgiver) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:26:47 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D361E6E.8040404@gmail.com> <4D371A8C.6050901@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D372CE7.90500@gmail.com> How is explaining why I won't be using that distro trolling? Do you not know the background of the whole "slack" thing? It is an insult on Christianity. Justin On 01/19/2011 11:25 AM, Yaron wrote: > Wow... telling people not to troll and act like adults in one sentance and > then trolling and acting like a non-adult in the next! You win! > > On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Drmgiver wrote: > >> Ok seriously, can we get over the troll shit and act like adults? I >> have a right to my opinion sorry. The whole "slack" thing insults my >> faith. I won't be using that distro or any distro based on it. Get >> over it. >> >> Justin >> >> On 01/19/2011 09:55 AM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: >>> Drmgiver cried from the depths of the abyss... >>> >>>> Most distros include it in repos to my knowledge. As for Slackware, I >>>> know it is just me being me, but I refuse to use it based on how it got >>>> it's name. >>>> >>> That is a shame. I have the same feeling about Ubuntu (which is an >>> African word for not smart enough to use Slackware). I have installed >>> Ubuntu for my Mom, and a handful of others that are challenged. It's a >>> nice n00b distro. Once you grow some teeth, or need to put a server into >>> production you might find the hand holding fisher price aspect of Ubuntu >>> a turn off. This of course my is just my opinion. >>> >>> You should give it a try. It's lovely! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jus at krytosvirus.com Wed Jan 19 12:41:04 2011 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:41:04 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: <4D372CE7.90500@gmail.com> References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D361E6E.8040404@gmail.com> <4D371A8C.6050901@gmail.com> <4D372CE7.90500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1295462464.760.114.camel@sysadmin3a> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slackware#Name Apparently Wikipedia is not aware of your knowledge or are we talking about another distro? In any case I would find it very silly of someone to not use a particular product just because of the name if on any other functional metrics the product was superior. Note, I've never used Slackware so I make no insinuations about how awesome or crappy Slackware really is. -----Original Message----- From: Drmgiver Reply-to: TCLUG Mailing List To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:26:47 -0600 Mailer: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Thunderbird/3.1.7 How is explaining why I won't be using that distro trolling? Do you not know the background of the whole "slack" thing? It is an insult on Christianity. Justin On 01/19/2011 11:25 AM, Yaron wrote: > Wow... telling people not to troll and act like adults in one sentance and > then trolling and acting like a non-adult in the next! You win! > > On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Drmgiver wrote: > >> Ok seriously, can we get over the troll shit and act like adults? I >> have a right to my opinion sorry. The whole "slack" thing insults my >> faith. I won't be using that distro or any distro based on it. Get >> over it. >> >> Justin >> >> On 01/19/2011 09:55 AM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: >>> Drmgiver cried from the depths of the abyss... >>> >>>> Most distros include it in repos to my knowledge. As for Slackware, I >>>> know it is just me being me, but I refuse to use it based on how it got >>>> it's name. >>>> >>> That is a shame. I have the same feeling about Ubuntu (which is an >>> African word for not smart enough to use Slackware). I have installed >>> Ubuntu for my Mom, and a handful of others that are challenged. It's a >>> nice n00b distro. Once you grow some teeth, or need to put a server into >>> production you might find the hand holding fisher price aspect of Ubuntu >>> a turn off. This of course my is just my opinion. >>> >>> You should give it a try. It's lovely! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110119/42d8b244/attachment.htm From sfertch at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 12:43:19 2011 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:43:19 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: <4D372CE7.90500@gmail.com> References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D361E6E.8040404@gmail.com> <4D371A8C.6050901@gmail.com> <4D372CE7.90500@gmail.com> Message-ID: How is this an insult on your religion? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slackware The name "Slackware" stems from the fact that the distribution started as a private side project with no intended commitment. To prevent it from being taken too seriously at first, Volkerding gave it a humorous name, which stuck even after Slackware became a serious project. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:26, Drmgiver wrote: > How is explaining why I won't be using that distro trolling? Do you not > know the background of the whole "slack" thing? It is an insult on > Christianity. > > Justin > > On 01/19/2011 11:25 AM, Yaron wrote: > > Wow... telling people not to troll and act like adults in one sentance > and > > then trolling and acting like a non-adult in the next! You win! > > > > On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Drmgiver wrote: > > > >> Ok seriously, can we get over the troll shit and act like adults? I > >> have a right to my opinion sorry. The whole "slack" thing insults my > >> faith. I won't be using that distro or any distro based on it. Get > >> over it. > >> > >> Justin > >> > >> On 01/19/2011 09:55 AM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > >>> Drmgiver cried from the depths of the abyss... > >>> > >>>> Most distros include it in repos to my knowledge. As for Slackware, I > >>>> know it is just me being me, but I refuse to use it based on how it > got > >>>> it's name. > >>>> > >>> That is a shame. I have the same feeling about Ubuntu (which is an > >>> African word for not smart enough to use Slackware). I have installed > >>> Ubuntu for my Mom, and a handful of others that are challenged. It's a > >>> nice n00b distro. Once you grow some teeth, or need to put a server > into > >>> production you might find the hand holding fisher price aspect of > Ubuntu > >>> a turn off. This of course my is just my opinion. > >>> > >>> You should give it a try. It's lovely! > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > > > > -Yaron > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- -Shawn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110119/313b22ea/attachment.htm From tclug at freakzilla.com Wed Jan 19 12:59:20 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:59:20 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: <4D372CE7.90500@gmail.com> References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D361E6E.8040404@gmail.com> <4D371A8C.6050901@gmail.com> <4D372CE7.90500@gmail.com> Message-ID: 1) Saying "Oooh look at the HEATHEN DISTRIBUTION" is trolling. 2) I seem to recall the whole "background" for the whole "Slack" thing was it was supposed to be a side project and they didn't want anyone to expect too much from it, so they named it "slackware". I don't see how that is an insult to Chrsitanity, or anyone else for that matter. 3) I can't even seem to get Google to dredge up any way that slackware is offensive to Christians. The closest thing I have found is that, in fact, someone has made a Christian-oriented distribution BASED ON SLACKWARE, named "Slack4Christians". 4) Just in case you missed point 3 right above, people have used SLACKWARE as the basis for a Christian-oriented distribution. And they didn't bother taking the "slack" out of the name. 5) You should stop trolling now. On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Drmgiver wrote: > How is explaining why I won't be using that distro trolling? Do you not > know the background of the whole "slack" thing? It is an insult on > Christianity. > > Justin > > On 01/19/2011 11:25 AM, Yaron wrote: >> Wow... telling people not to troll and act like adults in one sentance and >> then trolling and acting like a non-adult in the next! You win! >> >> On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Drmgiver wrote: >> >>> Ok seriously, can we get over the troll shit and act like adults? I >>> have a right to my opinion sorry. The whole "slack" thing insults my >>> faith. I won't be using that distro or any distro based on it. Get >>> over it. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> On 01/19/2011 09:55 AM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: >>>> Drmgiver cried from the depths of the abyss... >>>> >>>>> Most distros include it in repos to my knowledge. As for Slackware, I >>>>> know it is just me being me, but I refuse to use it based on how it got >>>>> it's name. >>>>> >>>> That is a shame. I have the same feeling about Ubuntu (which is an >>>> African word for not smart enough to use Slackware). I have installed >>>> Ubuntu for my Mom, and a handful of others that are challenged. It's a >>>> nice n00b distro. Once you grow some teeth, or need to put a server into >>>> production you might find the hand holding fisher price aspect of Ubuntu >>>> a turn off. This of course my is just my opinion. >>>> >>>> You should give it a try. It's lovely! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> -Yaron >> >> -- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -Yaron -- From drmgiver at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 13:05:00 2011 From: drmgiver at gmail.com (Drmgiver) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:05:00 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D361E6E.8040404@gmail.com> <4D371A8C.6050901@gmail.com> <4D372CE7.90500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D3735DC.1070207@gmail.com> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius#Slack Justin On 01/19/2011 12:43 PM, Shawn Fertch wrote: > How is this an insult on your religion? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slackware > > The name "Slackware" stems from the fact that the distribution started > as a private side project with no intended commitment. To prevent it > from being taken too seriously at first, Volkerding gave it a humorous > name, which stuck even after Slackware became a serious project.^ > > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 12:26, Drmgiver > wrote: > > How is explaining why I won't be using that distro trolling? Do > you not > know the background of the whole "slack" thing? It is an insult on > Christianity. > > Justin > > On 01/19/2011 11:25 AM, Yaron wrote: > > Wow... telling people not to troll and act like adults in one > sentance and > > then trolling and acting like a non-adult in the next! You win! > > > > On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Drmgiver wrote: > > > >> Ok seriously, can we get over the troll shit and act like > adults? I > >> have a right to my opinion sorry. The whole "slack" thing > insults my > >> faith. I won't be using that distro or any distro based on it. > Get > >> over it. > >> > >> Justin > >> > >> On 01/19/2011 09:55 AM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > >>> Drmgiver cried from the depths of the abyss... > >>> > >>>> Most distros include it in repos to my knowledge. As for > Slackware, I > >>>> know it is just me being me, but I refuse to use it based on > how it got > >>>> it's name. > >>>> > >>> That is a shame. I have the same feeling about Ubuntu (which > is an > >>> African word for not smart enough to use Slackware). I have > installed > >>> Ubuntu for my Mom, and a handful of others that are > challenged. It's a > >>> nice n00b distro. Once you grow some teeth, or need to put a > server into > >>> production you might find the hand holding fisher price aspect > of Ubuntu > >>> a turn off. This of course my is just my opinion. > >>> > >>> You should give it a try. It's lovely! > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > > > > -Yaron > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > -- > -Shawn > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110119/c4806e5f/attachment.htm From drmgiver at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 13:07:17 2011 From: drmgiver at gmail.com (Drmgiver) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:07:17 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D361E6E.8040404@gmail.com> <4D371A8C.6050901@gmail.com> <4D372CE7.90500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D373665.2090402@gmail.com> Again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius#Slack This is where the name *Slack*ware came from. That is why you will see "Bob" when in reference to Slackware. That is why someone on this very group mentioned "Bob". Again, it is an insult on Christianity. Justin On 01/19/2011 12:59 PM, Yaron wrote: > 1) Saying "Oooh look at the HEATHEN DISTRIBUTION" is trolling. > > 2) I seem to recall the whole "background" for the whole "Slack" thing was > it was supposed to be a side project and they didn't want anyone to > expect too much from it, so they named it "slackware". I don't see how > that is an insult to Chrsitanity, or anyone else for that matter. > > 3) I can't even seem to get Google to dredge up any way that slackware is > offensive to Christians. The closest thing I have found is that, in > fact, someone has made a Christian-oriented distribution BASED ON > SLACKWARE, named "Slack4Christians". > > 4) Just in case you missed point 3 right above, people have used SLACKWARE > as the basis for a Christian-oriented distribution. And they didn't > bother taking the "slack" out of the name. > > 5) You should stop trolling now. > > > > On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Drmgiver wrote: > >> How is explaining why I won't be using that distro trolling? Do you not >> know the background of the whole "slack" thing? It is an insult on >> Christianity. >> >> Justin >> >> On 01/19/2011 11:25 AM, Yaron wrote: >>> Wow... telling people not to troll and act like adults in one sentance and >>> then trolling and acting like a non-adult in the next! You win! >>> >>> On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Drmgiver wrote: >>> >>>> Ok seriously, can we get over the troll shit and act like adults? I >>>> have a right to my opinion sorry. The whole "slack" thing insults my >>>> faith. I won't be using that distro or any distro based on it. Get >>>> over it. >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> On 01/19/2011 09:55 AM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: >>>>> Drmgiver cried from the depths of the abyss... >>>>> >>>>>> Most distros include it in repos to my knowledge. As for Slackware, I >>>>>> know it is just me being me, but I refuse to use it based on how it got >>>>>> it's name. >>>>>> >>>>> That is a shame. I have the same feeling about Ubuntu (which is an >>>>> African word for not smart enough to use Slackware). I have installed >>>>> Ubuntu for my Mom, and a handful of others that are challenged. It's a >>>>> nice n00b distro. Once you grow some teeth, or need to put a server into >>>>> production you might find the hand holding fisher price aspect of Ubuntu >>>>> a turn off. This of course my is just my opinion. >>>>> >>>>> You should give it a try. It's lovely! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>> -Yaron >>> >>> -- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From crumley at fields.space.umn.edu Wed Jan 19 13:06:32 2011 From: crumley at fields.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:06:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D361E6E.8040404@gmail.com> <4D371A8C.6050901@gmail.com> <4D372CE7.90500@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50567.152.65.129.201.1295463992.squirrel@ham.space.umn.edu> > How is this an insult on your religion? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slackware > > The name "Slackware" stems from the fact that the distribution started as a > private side project with no intended commitment. To prevent it from being > taken too seriously at first, Volkerding gave it a humorous name, which > stuck even after Slackware became a serious project. It looks to me like he might be referring to this: Slackware's name is a reference to the concept of "slack" in the Church of the SubGenius, a largely Internet-based satirical pseudoreligion that had a cult following in the 1980s-90s. Within the Church, along with the common meaning of latitude, slack also implies personal space and freedom, independence, and the capacity for original thought. The developers of the Slackware operating system used the term to suggest that the project was, at least at its inception, a not-quite-serious spin-off project. http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/definition/Slackware I have no idea as to whether that is true or not, but it still seems pretty innocuous to me. It seems about as offensive as Spaghetti Linux would be. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | From cschumann at twp-llc.com Wed Jan 19 13:11:53 2011 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:11:53 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D373779.50402@twp-llc.com> > Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 12:26:47 -0600 > From: Drmgiver > > How is explaining why I won't be using that distro trolling? Do you not > know the background of the whole "slack" thing? It is an insult on > Christianity. > > Justin > I would very much like to know why you think this, and what your sources are. (BTW, the maintainer was quoted in 2001 as not knowing in 1994 what the origin of the name was. I asked Google to "define: slack", but didn't see anything related to religion.) Thanks, Chris From josh at tcbug.org Wed Jan 19 13:20:38 2011 From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:20:38 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: <4D373665.2090402@gmail.com> References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D373665.2090402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201101191320.43726.josh@tcbug.org> On Wednesday, January 19, 2011 01:07:17 pm Drmgiver wrote: > Again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius#Slack > > This is where the name *Slack*ware came from. That is why you will see > "Bob" when in reference to Slackware. That is why someone on this very > group mentioned "Bob". Again, it is an insult on Christianity. > > Justin > I suppose now would be a bad time to admit that I'm in charge of things like the slackware mall, it's CD distribution, or that slackware has historically had very close ties to BSD. Because if slackware is an insult to Christianity, what's your take on FreeBSD? I bet if Patrick read this he'd laugh his ass off. He lives in Minnesota you know, have you thought about an intervention? <3 you guys, when the day gets a little too intense or serious I can always reach for something good in my tclug folder to take the edge off. -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 488 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110119/e2a450c8/attachment-0001.pgp From sfertch at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 13:27:39 2011 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:27:39 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: <50567.152.65.129.201.1295463992.squirrel@ham.space.umn.edu> References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D361E6E.8040404@gmail.com> <4D371A8C.6050901@gmail.com> <4D372CE7.90500@gmail.com> <50567.152.65.129.201.1295463992.squirrel@ham.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 13:06, Jim Crumley wrote: > > How is this an insult on your religion? > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slackware > > > > The name "Slackware" stems from the fact that the distribution started as > a > > private side project with no intended commitment. To prevent it from > being > > taken too seriously at first, Volkerding gave it a humorous name, which > > stuck even after Slackware became a serious project. > > > It looks to me like he might be referring to this: > Slackware's name is a reference to the concept of "slack" in > the Church of the SubGenius, a largely Internet-based satirical > pseudoreligion that had a cult following in the 1980s-90s. Within > the Church, along with the common meaning of latitude, slack also > implies personal space and freedom, independence, and the > capacity for original thought. The developers of the Slackware > operating system used the term to suggest that the project was, > at least at its inception, a not-quite-serious spin-off project. > > http://searchenterpriselinux.techtarget.com/definition/Slackware > > I have no idea as to whether that is true or not, but it still > seems pretty innocuous to me. It seems about as offensive as > Spaghetti Linux would be. > I've always associated "Slack" with lazy, loose, etc. "Slacking off" or "take up slack in your fishing line" and as such is why I considered Slackware more of a side project than anything. So, in other words, he has a problem with something because it represents/means personal independence, thought and space? Perhaps we should keep him from finding out about http://www.landoverbaptist.org -- -Shawn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110119/55eda481/attachment.htm From sfertch at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 13:30:11 2011 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:30:11 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: <201101191320.43726.josh@tcbug.org> References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D373665.2090402@gmail.com> <201101191320.43726.josh@tcbug.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 13:20, Josh Paetzel wrote: > > Because if slackware is an insult to Christianity, what's your take on > FreeBSD? > Hell, he should have problems with *NIX in general: daemons grep finger fsck mount And all those other "nasty" and "dirty" words... -- -Shawn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110119/de392196/attachment.htm From jus at krytosvirus.com Wed Jan 19 13:35:02 2011 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:35:02 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: <4D373665.2090402@gmail.com> References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D361E6E.8040404@gmail.com> <4D371A8C.6050901@gmail.com> <4D372CE7.90500@gmail.com> <4D373665.2090402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1295465702.760.151.camel@sysadmin3a> Having never heard of SubGenius, I greatly appreciate your indignation at the Slackware linux name to the point that you decided to comment on it on here so I can learn about it. Oh the joys... this sounds as cool as being a pastafarian following the noodly teachings of the FSM. I wonder if Pastafarianism, Church of the SubGenius, and Fictionology can coexist in one. Which religion should I choose??? As cited in the referenced Wikipedia article, this slashdot interview indicates it was SubGenius inspired. http://slashdot.org/interviews/00/03/17/1120205.shtml Of course anyone should be free to choose their own distro using whatever reasoning they decide is appropriate. I personally find the name of a product to be extremely far down the list of factors when deciding what products to buy or use. I would imagine there is a great deal of code in every distro that is written by people who have some opinions that are in extreme opposition to your own yet I doubt you'd decide to stop using their awesome programs for that reason alone (assuming hypothetical code was awesome). Either way, thanks again for pseudo controversy so I could learn of SubGenius. Maybe I will help spread their good works now. -----Original Message----- From: Drmgiver Reply-to: TCLUG Mailing List To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:07:17 -0600 Mailer: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Thunderbird/3.1.7 Again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius#Slack This is where the name *Slack*ware came from. That is why you will see "Bob" when in reference to Slackware. That is why someone on this very group mentioned "Bob". Again, it is an insult on Christianity. Justin On 01/19/2011 12:59 PM, Yaron wrote: > 1) Saying "Oooh look at the HEATHEN DISTRIBUTION" is trolling. > > 2) I seem to recall the whole "background" for the whole "Slack" thing was > it was supposed to be a side project and they didn't want anyone to > expect too much from it, so they named it "slackware". I don't see how > that is an insult to Chrsitanity, or anyone else for that matter. > > 3) I can't even seem to get Google to dredge up any way that slackware is > offensive to Christians. The closest thing I have found is that, in > fact, someone has made a Christian-oriented distribution BASED ON > SLACKWARE, named "Slack4Christians". > > 4) Just in case you missed point 3 right above, people have used SLACKWARE > as the basis for a Christian-oriented distribution. And they didn't > bother taking the "slack" out of the name. > > 5) You should stop trolling now. > > > > On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Drmgiver wrote: > >> How is explaining why I won't be using that distro trolling? Do you not >> know the background of the whole "slack" thing? It is an insult on >> Christianity. >> >> Justin >> >> On 01/19/2011 11:25 AM, Yaron wrote: >>> Wow... telling people not to troll and act like adults in one sentance and >>> then trolling and acting like a non-adult in the next! You win! >>> >>> On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Drmgiver wrote: >>> >>>> Ok seriously, can we get over the troll shit and act like adults? I >>>> have a right to my opinion sorry. The whole "slack" thing insults my >>>> faith. I won't be using that distro or any distro based on it. Get >>>> over it. >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> On 01/19/2011 09:55 AM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: >>>>> Drmgiver cried from the depths of the abyss... >>>>> >>>>>> Most distros include it in repos to my knowledge. As for Slackware, I >>>>>> know it is just me being me, but I refuse to use it based on how it got >>>>>> it's name. >>>>>> >>>>> That is a shame. I have the same feeling about Ubuntu (which is an >>>>> African word for not smart enough to use Slackware). I have installed >>>>> Ubuntu for my Mom, and a handful of others that are challenged. It's a >>>>> nice n00b distro. Once you grow some teeth, or need to put a server into >>>>> production you might find the hand holding fisher price aspect of Ubuntu >>>>> a turn off. This of course my is just my opinion. >>>>> >>>>> You should give it a try. It's lovely! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>> -Yaron >>> >>> -- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110119/2a80967e/attachment.htm From cschumann at twp-llc.com Wed Jan 19 13:35:22 2011 From: cschumann at twp-llc.com (Chris Schumann) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:35:22 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D373CFA.9060309@twp-llc.com> > Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:07:17 -0600 > From: Drmgiver > > Again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius#Slack > > This is where the name *Slack*ware came from. That is why you will see > "Bob" when in reference to Slackware. That is why someone on this very > group mentioned "Bob". Again, it is an insult on Christianity. > > Justin > I just want to be clear here. Would you also refrain from using a distribution named, say, Mohammad Linux? Abraham Linux? Moses Linux? (Because Moses was most certainly NOT a Christian.) Do you feel this notion of slack targets Christianity specifically? And lastly, why do you feel it is an insult on Christianity? Very curious, Chris From drmgiver at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 14:26:01 2011 From: drmgiver at gmail.com (Drmgiver) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:26:01 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: <1295465702.760.151.camel@sysadmin3a> References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D361E6E.8040404@gmail.com> <4D371A8C.6050901@gmail.com> <4D372CE7.90500@gmail.com> <4D373665.2090402@gmail.com> <1295465702.760.151.camel@sysadmin3a> Message-ID: <4D3748D9.4030400@gmail.com> Would be your choice to do so, and I applaud that. Just as I choose not to. I really don't think this is something to start a flame war over as is what seems to be happening. Justin On 01/19/2011 01:35 PM, Justin Krejci wrote: > Having never heard of SubGenius, I greatly appreciate your indignation > at the Slackware linux name to the point that you decided to comment on > it on here so I can learn about it. Oh the joys... this sounds as cool > as being a pastafarian following the noodly teachings of the FSM. I > wonder if Pastafarianism, Church of the SubGenius, and Fictionology can > coexist in one. Which religion should I choose??? > > As cited in the referenced Wikipedia article, this slashdot interview > indicates it > was SubGenius inspired. > http://slashdot.org/interviews/00/03/17/1120205.shtml > > Of course anyone should be free to choose their own distro using > whatever reasoning they decide is appropriate. I personally find the > name of a product to be extremely far down the list of factors when > deciding what products to buy or use. I would imagine there is a great > deal of code in every distro that is written by people who have some > opinions that are in extreme opposition to your own yet I doubt you'd > decide to stop using their awesome programs for that reason alone > (assuming hypothetical code was awesome). > > Either way, thanks again for pseudo controversy so I could learn of > SubGenius. Maybe I will help spread their good works now. > > > -----Original Message----- > *From*: Drmgiver > > *Reply-to*: TCLUG Mailing List > *To*: TCLUG Mailing List > > *Subject*: Re: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro > *Date*: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:07:17 -0600 > *Mailer*: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) > Gecko/20101208 Thunderbird/3.1.7 > > Again:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius#Slack > > This is where the name *Slack*ware came from. That is why you will see > "Bob" when in reference to Slackware. That is why someone on this very > group mentioned "Bob". Again, it is an insult on Christianity. > > Justin > > On 01/19/2011 12:59 PM, Yaron wrote: > > 1) Saying "Oooh look at the HEATHEN DISTRIBUTION" is trolling. > > > > 2) I seem to recall the whole "background" for the whole "Slack" thing was > > it was supposed to be a side project and they didn't want anyone to > > expect too much from it, so they named it "slackware". I don't see how > > that is an insult to Chrsitanity, or anyone else for that matter. > > > > 3) I can't even seem to get Google to dredge up any way that slackware is > > offensive to Christians. The closest thing I have found is that, in > > fact, someone has made a Christian-oriented distribution BASED ON > > SLACKWARE, named "Slack4Christians". > > > > 4) Just in case you missed point 3 right above, people have used SLACKWARE > > as the basis for a Christian-oriented distribution. And they didn't > > bother taking the "slack" out of the name. > > > > 5) You should stop trolling now. > > > > > > > > On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Drmgiver wrote: > > > >> How is explaining why I won't be using that distro trolling? Do you not > >> know the background of the whole "slack" thing? It is an insult on > >> Christianity. > >> > >> Justin > >> > >> On 01/19/2011 11:25 AM, Yaron wrote: > >>> Wow... telling people not to troll and act like adults in one sentance and > >>> then trolling and acting like a non-adult in the next! You win! > >>> > >>> On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Drmgiver wrote: > >>> > >>>> Ok seriously, can we get over the troll shit and act like adults? I > >>>> have a right to my opinion sorry. The whole "slack" thing insults my > >>>> faith. I won't be using that distro or any distro based on it. Get > >>>> over it. > >>>> > >>>> Justin > >>>> > >>>> On 01/19/2011 09:55 AM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > >>>>> Drmgiver cried from the depths of the abyss... > >>>>> > >>>>>> Most distros include it in repos to my knowledge. As for Slackware, I > >>>>>> know it is just me being me, but I refuse to use it based on how it got > >>>>>> it's name. > >>>>>> > >>>>> That is a shame. I have the same feeling about Ubuntu (which is an > >>>>> African word for not smart enough to use Slackware). I have installed > >>>>> Ubuntu for my Mom, and a handful of others that are challenged. It's a > >>>>> nice n00b distro. Once you grow some teeth, or need to put a server into > >>>>> production you might find the hand holding fisher price aspect of Ubuntu > >>>>> a turn off. This of course my is just my opinion. > >>>>> > >>>>> You should give it a try. It's lovely! > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >>>> > >>> -Yaron > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > > > > -Yaron > > > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110119/191a4daf/attachment-0001.htm From drmgiver at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 14:29:08 2011 From: drmgiver at gmail.com (Drmgiver) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:29:08 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: <4D373CFA.9060309@twp-llc.com> References: <4D373CFA.9060309@twp-llc.com> Message-ID: <4D374994.20802@gmail.com> No, yes, and yes. And to the other two questions, I will only say to educate yourself on the whole "church". Now lets depart from this silly topic eh? A war seems to be building on something that really doesn't need to be built upon. I voiced my opinion, you have a right to use Slackware, just as I have a right not to. Lets move on. :) Justin On 01/19/2011 01:35 PM, Chris Schumann wrote: >> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 13:07:17 -0600 >> From: Drmgiver >> >> Again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius#Slack >> >> This is where the name *Slack*ware came from. That is why you will see >> "Bob" when in reference to Slackware. That is why someone on this very >> group mentioned "Bob". Again, it is an insult on Christianity. >> >> Justin >> > I just want to be clear here. > > Would you also refrain from using a distribution named, say, Mohammad > Linux? Abraham Linux? Moses Linux? (Because Moses was most certainly NOT > a Christian.) > > Do you feel this notion of slack targets Christianity specifically? > > And lastly, why do you feel it is an insult on Christianity? > > Very curious, > Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at freakzilla.com Wed Jan 19 14:44:43 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:44:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: <4D373665.2090402@gmail.com> References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D361E6E.8040404@gmail.com> <4D371A8C.6050901@gmail.com> <4D372CE7.90500@gmail.com> <4D373665.2090402@gmail.com> Message-ID: You, my friend, are going out of your way to be offended. That is NOT where the *slack* came from. Retrtoactively someone decided that would be funny - much like the whole Church of the SubGenius is, by the way - it's a JOKE. I wonder which distribution you DO use, beucase I'm pretty sure all of them have flimsy links like that to SOMEthing that would 'offend' 'Christians'. We already know you can't use Slackware (even though there's an actual Christian oriented version). You can't use Red Hat since red is the colour of Satan. Can't use Debian since that sounds like Demian which we all know is the name of Satan's son in The Omen. Can't use Ubuntu since that's a word in an African language, and Africa is not a good place for Christians (heck, even the actual Christians there are coptic, and that doesn't really count, right?). Can't use Arch Linux since that's a reference to the Archangels and that's blasphemy. In fact, what are you doing in the TWIN CITIES Linux User's Group? Were not Sodom and Gamora twin cities??? SURELY THIS IS A REFERENCE TO THAT!!! On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Drmgiver wrote: > Again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius#Slack > > This is where the name *Slack*ware came from. That is why you will see > "Bob" when in reference to Slackware. That is why someone on this very > group mentioned "Bob". Again, it is an insult on Christianity. > > Justin > > On 01/19/2011 12:59 PM, Yaron wrote: >> 1) Saying "Oooh look at the HEATHEN DISTRIBUTION" is trolling. >> >> 2) I seem to recall the whole "background" for the whole "Slack" thing was >> it was supposed to be a side project and they didn't want anyone to >> expect too much from it, so they named it "slackware". I don't see how >> that is an insult to Chrsitanity, or anyone else for that matter. >> >> 3) I can't even seem to get Google to dredge up any way that slackware is >> offensive to Christians. The closest thing I have found is that, in >> fact, someone has made a Christian-oriented distribution BASED ON >> SLACKWARE, named "Slack4Christians". >> >> 4) Just in case you missed point 3 right above, people have used SLACKWARE >> as the basis for a Christian-oriented distribution. And they didn't >> bother taking the "slack" out of the name. >> >> 5) You should stop trolling now. >> >> >> >> On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Drmgiver wrote: >> >>> How is explaining why I won't be using that distro trolling? Do you not >>> know the background of the whole "slack" thing? It is an insult on >>> Christianity. >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> On 01/19/2011 11:25 AM, Yaron wrote: >>>> Wow... telling people not to troll and act like adults in one sentance and >>>> then trolling and acting like a non-adult in the next! You win! >>>> >>>> On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Drmgiver wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ok seriously, can we get over the troll shit and act like adults? I >>>>> have a right to my opinion sorry. The whole "slack" thing insults my >>>>> faith. I won't be using that distro or any distro based on it. Get >>>>> over it. >>>>> >>>>> Justin >>>>> >>>>> On 01/19/2011 09:55 AM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: >>>>>> Drmgiver cried from the depths of the abyss... >>>>>> >>>>>>> Most distros include it in repos to my knowledge. As for Slackware, I >>>>>>> know it is just me being me, but I refuse to use it based on how it got >>>>>>> it's name. >>>>>>> >>>>>> That is a shame. I have the same feeling about Ubuntu (which is an >>>>>> African word for not smart enough to use Slackware). I have installed >>>>>> Ubuntu for my Mom, and a handful of others that are challenged. It's a >>>>>> nice n00b distro. Once you grow some teeth, or need to put a server into >>>>>> production you might find the hand holding fisher price aspect of Ubuntu >>>>>> a turn off. This of course my is just my opinion. >>>>>> >>>>>> You should give it a try. It's lovely! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>> >>>> -Yaron >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> -Yaron >> >> -- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -Yaron -- From drmgiver at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 14:54:01 2011 From: drmgiver at gmail.com (Drmgiver) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:54:01 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Alright Message-ID: <4D374F69.4030108@gmail.com> It has become fully apparent that I do not belong in this group. I will graciously leave you all to it. Be well all. Justin From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Jan 19 14:59:58 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:59:58 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Alright In-Reply-To: <4D374F69.4030108@gmail.com> References: <4D374F69.4030108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0B261434-441B-4C69-894F-B6D2908FBD81@me.com> Justin, That's fine with me, to be honest. If you have a problem with the name of something then you can ignore it. I have a problem with the Christian right but I don't go around telling them why they're wrong. -- Ryan On Jan 19, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Drmgiver wrote: > It has become fully apparent that I do not belong in this group. I will > graciously leave you all to it. Be well all. > > Justin > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 15:34:18 2011 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 15:34:18 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: <4D373665.2090402@gmail.com> References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D361E6E.8040404@gmail.com> <4D371A8C.6050901@gmail.com> <4D372CE7.90500@gmail.com> <4D373665.2090402@gmail.com> Message-ID: Drmgiver cried from the depths of the abyss... > Again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius#Slack > > This is where the name *Slack*ware came from. That is why you will see > "Bob" when in reference to Slackware. That is why someone on this very > group mentioned "Bob". Again, it is an insult on Christianity. > > Justin The reference to Bob is not a conspiracy For the record my name is Robert. During my youth people started calling me Bob more than Robert. In my post graduate days, a very nice Irish girl I worked with in Chicago started calling my B-o-B Bob. 20 years later, B-o-B has stuck. This will explain the use of Mr. B-o-B. I first loaded up Slackware in the mid 90's [and have been using it ever since(there was a small affair with Red Hat, Debian, & others to be sure)]. I based this decision on a few friends advice, and a quote I saw in some Usenet group that basically said "One who learns Red Hat learns Red Hat. One who learns Slackware learns Linux". That was pretty profound I thought (since at that time I really wanted to get into Linux). Another thing I liked about Slackware was the incorporation of (oh boy here we go) J.R. "Bob" Dobbs smoking pipe with our beloved Tux. A slightly unique Tux to stand apart from the rest. For a visual, here is a link: http://connie.slackware.com/~msimons/slackware/grfx/shared/dobbslack1.jpg Honestly, my first go at open source was FreeBSD. I solely based this decision on the fact that their logo is the little devil dude! I guess at the end of the day this doesn't matter much to anyone, I just wanted to clear the air on the "Bob" thing. Thanks! From aristophrenic at warpmail.net Wed Jan 19 16:32:17 2011 From: aristophrenic at warpmail.net (Isaac Atilano) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 16:32:17 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Alright In-Reply-To: <0B261434-441B-4C69-894F-B6D2908FBD81@me.com> References: <4D374F69.4030108@gmail.com> <0B261434-441B-4C69-894F-B6D2908FBD81@me.com> Message-ID: <1295476337.27390.1416191785@webmail.messagingengine.com> The best to you Justin. I too am leaving this mailing list. I am put off by what I see are patronizing responses to your posts. Your posts have been interesting and I can't say I see things the same way as you but I don't want to be in a community where I feel I could be patronized for my views. Goodbye to the rest of you. From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 16:50:59 2011 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 16:50:59 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Alright In-Reply-To: <1295476337.27390.1416191785@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <4D374F69.4030108@gmail.com> <0B261434-441B-4C69-894F-B6D2908FBD81@me.com> <1295476337.27390.1416191785@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: I'd like to apologize to anyone I've offended (and Bob, I hope you took my jab in good fun). It seems to me there are a wide range of expectations for what this group is and is not about. For me, it's a group of like minded people with regard to how we use computers. That is, we're all Linux users. We're involved with Linux culture, and also with Internet culture. Flamewars are a part of Internet culture. Especially flamewars about text editors and operating systems. I personally think it's both awesome and ridiculous how they can get going, how they can inflame passions, and how they can sustain themselves. I hope everyone looks back every now and then, after the flames die down, and note what an odd phenomenon it is that we engage in. As far as TCLUG, what is this group for, if not to commune as Linux users? Do we ever have meetings anymore? When was the last time we had a beer meeting? The last meeting I went to was a long time ago, right after VIM6 was released. The topic was VIM, and I remember someone gave a great presentation in which I learned a lot. I'd love to see this sort of thing again, where those of us who are passionate about certain things, whether it be a text editor, low level c++ code, or Taylor Swift, can make a positive contribution and share what we know or what we're doing as a group. People behave much more adult-like in person. Anyway, it would be nice, but maybe those days are behind us. As far as the email list goes, I like to joke around -- especially with people who think like I do, and who might get some of my jokes. And if I ever tease someone directly, I do in the hopes (and with the faith) that they're cool enough to handle it. So I hope people aren't taking things too seriously on here... please know that I'm not, and feel free to take a jab at me whenever you want. -Erik PS to the two people I referred to above (c++ and Taylor Swift), I think what you're doing is awesome. Sincerely. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Isaac Atilano wrote: > The best to you Justin. ?I too am leaving this mailing list. I am put > off by what I see are patronizing responses to your posts. > > Your posts have been interesting and I can't say I see things the same > way as you but I don't want to be in a community where I feel I could be > patronized for my views. > > Goodbye to the rest of you. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 17:16:43 2011 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 17:16:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Alright In-Reply-To: References: <4D374F69.4030108@gmail.com> <0B261434-441B-4C69-894F-B6D2908FBD81@me.com> <1295476337.27390.1416191785@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: Erik Mitchell cried from the depths of the abyss... > I'd like to apologize to anyone I've offended (and Bob, I hope you > took my jab in good fun). It's all in good fun to me :) I enjoy the flamage, and that is why I brought up the whole Ubuntu thing to begin with. It was supposed to be a fun thing. Just a bunch of guys & gals talking smack about the things they love (Linux). I honestly didn't see the holy war coming or I would have kept my trap shut! I agree with what you have written here. Especially about the joking around. Let's try to keep the flamage on topic (vi vs Emacs, kde vs gnome, why Slackware is and always will be the best, etc....). Take Care all! Mr. B-o-B > It seems to me there are a wide range of > expectations for what this group is and is not about. For me, it's a > group of like minded people with regard to how we use computers. That > is, we're all Linux users. We're involved with Linux culture, and also > with Internet culture. > > Flamewars are a part of Internet culture. Especially flamewars about > text editors and operating systems. I personally think it's both > awesome and ridiculous how they can get going, how they can inflame > passions, and how they can sustain themselves. I hope everyone looks > back every now and then, after the flames die down, and note what an > odd phenomenon it is that we engage in. > > As far as TCLUG, what is this group for, if not to commune as Linux > users? Do we ever have meetings anymore? When was the last time we had > a beer meeting? The last meeting I went to was a long time ago, right > after VIM6 was released. The topic was VIM, and I remember someone > gave a great presentation in which I learned a lot. I'd love to see > this sort of thing again, where those of us who are passionate about > certain things, whether it be a text editor, low level c++ code, or > Taylor Swift, can make a positive contribution and share what we know > or what we're doing as a group. People behave much more adult-like in > person. > > Anyway, it would be nice, but maybe those days are behind us. As far > as the email list goes, I like to joke around -- especially with > people who think like I do, and who might get some of my jokes. And if > I ever tease someone directly, I do in the hopes (and with the faith) > that they're cool enough to handle it. So I hope people aren't taking > things too seriously on here... please know that I'm not, and feel > free to take a jab at me whenever you want. > > -Erik > > PS to the two people I referred to above (c++ and Taylor Swift), I > think what you're doing is awesome. Sincerely. > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Isaac Atilano > wrote: >> The best to you Justin. ?I too am leaving this mailing list. I am put >> off by what I see are patronizing responses to your posts. >> >> Your posts have been interesting and I can't say I see things the same >> way as you but I don't want to be in a community where I feel I could be >> patronized for my views. >> >> Goodbye to the rest of you. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > erik at ekmitchell.com > http://ekmitchell.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nesius at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 18:28:59 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 18:28:59 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: <1295465702.760.151.camel@sysadmin3a> References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D361E6E.8040404@gmail.com> <4D371A8C.6050901@gmail.com> <4D372CE7.90500@gmail.com> <4D373665.2090402@gmail.com> <1295465702.760.151.camel@sysadmin3a> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Justin Krejci wrote: > Having never heard of SubGenius, I greatly appreciate your indignation > at the Slackware linux name to the point that you decided to comment on > it on here so I can learn about it. > I actually have to second that. > As cited in the referenced Wikipedia article, this slashdot interview > indicates it > was SubGenius inspired. > http://slashdot.org/interviews/00/03/17/1120205.shtml > Correct me if I'm wrong, but the whole subgenius thing seems like a satirical take on religion? Seems like Justin (the original objector) has objected to a literal interpretation of satire. > I would imagine there is a great > deal of code in every distro that is written by people who have some > opinions that are in extreme opposition to your own yet I doubt you'd > decide to stop using their awesome programs for that reason alone > (assuming hypothetical code was awesome). > I'm suddenly reminded of the bohemian couple in the first episode of Portlandia who try to order the most ethical meal possible in a restaurant. -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110119/f80bd095/attachment.htm From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 18:31:56 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 18:31:56 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Alright In-Reply-To: References: <4D374F69.4030108@gmail.com> <0B261434-441B-4C69-894F-B6D2908FBD81@me.com> <1295476337.27390.1416191785@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: I saw a long list of messages with the subject "Window Maker distro" and I thought it was unlikely that they were really staying on-topic. Now I know. What's the deal with "being offended?" It always seems to come with some demands that other people do something for the offended person. Maybe I should try it sometime, but for whatever reason, it never occurs to me to "be offended" and throw a little fit, make demands, etc. Slackware is not making fun of Christianity -- I read all of the reference materials. Even the Church of the SubGenius seems to make no reference to Christianity, though the authors of the Wikipedia entry note that connections can readily be made, but the connection of Slackware to SubGenius is remote and unimportant. Justin Drmgiver, or whatever his name is, started out pretending that a connection of Slackware to anti-Christianity was obvious and known to everyone. What planet is he from? What a ridiculous thing to do. What a waste of time. If he leaves the list, why won't we all be better off? I don't see why we should care. What has he done for us? Mike From 13.finn at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 18:46:27 2011 From: 13.finn at gmail.com (Patrick "Finn" Robins) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 18:46:27 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Alright In-Reply-To: References: <4D374F69.4030108@gmail.com> <0B261434-441B-4C69-894F-B6D2908FBD81@me.com> <1295476337.27390.1416191785@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: I am new the Twin cities and one of the first things I did when I got here was sign up to this list. Although I have remained somewhat active in my old LUG (the PLUG List back in Portland Oregon), I would gladly do anything I can to help this list regain some of its vitality. Ruffled feathers like this seem to happen periodically and usually fade quickly. I do appreciate the sense of humor that most involved showed and I hope the others can rejoin in that spirit. To reiterate, I will gladly do whatever I can to help out, face time at a Pub meeting might be exactly what the LUG needs. -Patrick "Finn" Robins -- Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr. Seuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110119/f2a92864/attachment.htm From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 18:51:00 2011 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 18:51:00 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Alright In-Reply-To: References: <4D374F69.4030108@gmail.com> <0B261434-441B-4C69-894F-B6D2908FBD81@me.com> <1295476337.27390.1416191785@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <4D3786F4.3080704@gmail.com> I like Erik's idea about getting things going again for meetings and would be interested in a beer or other meeting during the work week. I think the last time I went to one was 3+ years ago, it's been way too long... As for the getting offended, it's never happened to me, I just stop reading threads that get out of hand :) All people I've encountered on TCLUG are relatively nice, albeit weird at times. *Jeremy MountainJohnson* jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com On 01/19/2011 04:50 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > I'd like to apologize to anyone I've offended (and Bob, I hope you > took my jab in good fun). It seems to me there are a wide range of > expectations for what this group is and is not about. For me, it's a > group of like minded people with regard to how we use computers. That > is, we're all Linux users. We're involved with Linux culture, and also > with Internet culture. > > Flamewars are a part of Internet culture. Especially flamewars about > text editors and operating systems. I personally think it's both > awesome and ridiculous how they can get going, how they can inflame > passions, and how they can sustain themselves. I hope everyone looks > back every now and then, after the flames die down, and note what an > odd phenomenon it is that we engage in. > > As far as TCLUG, what is this group for, if not to commune as Linux > users? Do we ever have meetings anymore? When was the last time we had > a beer meeting? The last meeting I went to was a long time ago, right > after VIM6 was released. The topic was VIM, and I remember someone > gave a great presentation in which I learned a lot. I'd love to see > this sort of thing again, where those of us who are passionate about > certain things, whether it be a text editor, low level c++ code, or > Taylor Swift, can make a positive contribution and share what we know > or what we're doing as a group. People behave much more adult-like in > person. > > Anyway, it would be nice, but maybe those days are behind us. As far > as the email list goes, I like to joke around -- especially with > people who think like I do, and who might get some of my jokes. And if > I ever tease someone directly, I do in the hopes (and with the faith) > that they're cool enough to handle it. So I hope people aren't taking > things too seriously on here... please know that I'm not, and feel > free to take a jab at me whenever you want. > > -Erik > > PS to the two people I referred to above (c++ and Taylor Swift), I > think what you're doing is awesome. Sincerely. > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Isaac Atilano > wrote: >> The best to you Justin. I too am leaving this mailing list. I am put >> off by what I see are patronizing responses to your posts. >> >> Your posts have been interesting and I can't say I see things the same >> way as you but I don't want to be in a community where I feel I could be >> patronized for my views. >> >> Goodbye to the rest of you. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > From eric.schultz at mchsi.com Wed Jan 19 19:21:13 2011 From: eric.schultz at mchsi.com (Eric Schultz) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:21:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Alright In-Reply-To: <1295476337.27390.1416191785@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <711542140.5700291295486473710.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs12> Quit your bitch'n Kenny, is all I have to say. Since when did people in this group start wearing skirts? Not to be sexist, but people need to quit taking themselves so seriously....lighten up, and do what Erik says, drink a few beers. I am a Linux User, an aspiring Administrator, who will never be....I like what Linux is about, the freedom to choose, to experiment...you have tried Linux until you broke it. I don't have the expertise, or technical experience that others in this group have. I enjoy reading the notes, and am impressed the way people offer to help out others, whether it is script writing, joining a project or volunteering on a project. Leave, stay, do what you must, however in all honesty, in reading the posts, I didn't feel there was anything over the top to warrant leaving. Eric ----- Original Message ----- From: "Isaac Atilano" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 4:32:17 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Alright The best to you Justin. I too am leaving this mailing list. I am put off by what I see are patronizing responses to your posts. Your posts have been interesting and I can't say I see things the same way as you but I don't want to be in a community where I feel I could be patronized for my views. Goodbye to the rest of you. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jjensen at apache.org Wed Jan 19 19:20:48 2011 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:20:48 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Alright In-Reply-To: <4D3786F4.3080704@gmail.com> References: <4D374F69.4030108@gmail.com> <0B261434-441B-4C69-894F-B6D2908FBD81@me.com> <1295476337.27390.1416191785@webmail.messagingengine.com> <4D3786F4.3080704@gmail.com> Message-ID: We can meet at my company's office at 35E/494 in Eagan anytime - nice rooms that seat up to 60 people (or less if we also want tables for computers) with projector/screen, whiteboard, free snacks, free pop/juice, etc. Just let me know when. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote: > I like Erik's idea about getting things going again for meetings and > would be interested in a beer or other meeting during the work week. I > think the last time I went to one was 3+ years ago, it's been way too > long... [snip] > On 01/19/2011 04:50 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: [snip] >> As far as TCLUG, what is this group for, if not to commune as Linux >> users? Do we ever have meetings anymore? When was the last time we had >> a beer meeting? The last meeting I went to was a long time ago, right >> after VIM6 was released. The topic was VIM, and I remember someone >> gave a great presentation in which I learned a lot. I'd love to see >> this sort of thing again, where those of us who are passionate about >> certain things, whether it be a text editor, low level c++ code, or >> Taylor Swift, can make a positive contribution and share what we know >> or what we're doing as a group. People behave much more adult-like in >> person. From jus at krytosvirus.com Wed Jan 19 19:42:10 2011 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 01:42:10 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Alright In-Reply-To: References: <4D374F69.4030108@gmail.com><0B261434-441B-4C69-894F-B6D2908FBD81@me.com><1295476337.27390.1416191785@webmail.messagingengine.com><4D3786F4.3080704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1611968759-1295487731-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1872128715-@bda588.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Many mails ago the first sparks of fire ignited into a full fledged flame, fanned to life by the righteous. The encroaching heat set off yet more fires kicking off a chain reaction of bursting fires. Some perished in what is now called the great flame war of 2011-01. However, hope has now resurfaced for the struggling survivors and from the burning ashes a single beam of light shines thru with the cold audacity to squelch further conflict. All hail the great phoenix Jeff Jensen, Peace Bringer. Or more simply, what a great gesture Jeff! Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Jensen Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:20:48 To: TCLUG Mailing List Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Alright We can meet at my company's office at 35E/494 in Eagan anytime - nice rooms that seat up to 60 people (or less if we also want tables for computers) with projector/screen, whiteboard, free snacks, free pop/juice, etc. Just let me know when. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote: > I like Erik's idea about getting things going again for meetings and > would be interested in a beer or other meeting during the work week. I > think the last time I went to one was 3+ years ago, it's been way too > long... [snip] > On 01/19/2011 04:50 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: [snip] >> As far as TCLUG, what is this group for, if not to commune as Linux >> users? Do we ever have meetings anymore? When was the last time we had >> a beer meeting? The last meeting I went to was a long time ago, right >> after VIM6 was released. The topic was VIM, and I remember someone >> gave a great presentation in which I learned a lot. I'd love to see >> this sort of thing again, where those of us who are passionate about >> certain things, whether it be a text editor, low level c++ code, or >> Taylor Swift, can make a positive contribution and share what we know >> or what we're doing as a group. People behave much more adult-like in >> person. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 19:50:22 2011 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:50:22 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Alright In-Reply-To: <1611968759-1295487731-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1872128715-@bda588.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <4D374F69.4030108@gmail.com> <0B261434-441B-4C69-894F-B6D2908FBD81@me.com> <1295476337.27390.1416191785@webmail.messagingengine.com> <4D3786F4.3080704@gmail.com> <1611968759-1295487731-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1872128715-@bda588.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Before you get carried away Justin, Jeff made no mention of beer. Granted, "juice" can mean a lot of things. -Erik On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Justin Krejci wrote: > Many mails ago the first sparks of fire ignited into a full fledged flame, fanned to life by the righteous. The encroaching heat set off yet more fires kicking off a chain reaction of bursting fires. Some perished in what is now called the great flame war of 2011-01. However, hope has now resurfaced for the struggling survivors and from the burning ashes a single beam of light shines thru with the cold audacity to squelch further conflict. All hail the great phoenix Jeff Jensen, Peace Bringer. > > Or more simply, what a great gesture Jeff! > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Jensen > Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:20:48 > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Alright > > We can meet at my company's office at 35E/494 in Eagan anytime - nice > rooms that seat up to 60 people (or less if we also want tables for > computers) with projector/screen, whiteboard, free snacks, free > pop/juice, etc. ?Just let me know when. > > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Jeremy MountainJohnson > wrote: >> I like Erik's idea about getting things going again for meetings and >> would be interested in a beer or other meeting during the work week. I >> think the last time I went to one was 3+ years ago, it's been way too >> long... > [snip] > > >> On 01/19/2011 04:50 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > [snip] > >>> As far as TCLUG, what is this group for, if not to commune as Linux >>> users? Do we ever have meetings anymore? When was the last time we had >>> a beer meeting? The last meeting I went to was a long time ago, right >>> after VIM6 was released. The topic was VIM, and I remember someone >>> gave a great presentation in which I learned a lot. I'd love to see >>> this sort of thing again, where those of us who are passionate about >>> certain things, whether it be a text editor, low level c++ code, or >>> Taylor Swift, can make a positive contribution and share what we know >>> or what we're doing as a group. People behave much more adult-like in >>> person. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 19:50:05 2011 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:50:05 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Alright In-Reply-To: References: <4D374F69.4030108@gmail.com> <0B261434-441B-4C69-894F-B6D2908FBD81@me.com> <1295476337.27390.1416191785@webmail.messagingengine.com> <4D3786F4.3080704@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sounds like an excellent location Jeff. I think a beer meeting sounds a bit more appealing for the initial restart (perhaps a precursor for figuring out a speaker?). Should probably get a new thread going for this- that is assuming more than 3 of us are interested? Jeremy MountainJohnson jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Jeff Jensen wrote: > We can meet at my company's office at 35E/494 in Eagan anytime - nice > rooms that seat up to 60 people (or less if we also want tables for > computers) with projector/screen, whiteboard, free snacks, free > pop/juice, etc. ?Just let me know when. > > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Jeremy MountainJohnson > wrote: >> I like Erik's idea about getting things going again for meetings and >> would be interested in a beer or other meeting during the work week. I >> think the last time I went to one was 3+ years ago, it's been way too >> long... > [snip] > > >> On 01/19/2011 04:50 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > [snip] > >>> As far as TCLUG, what is this group for, if not to commune as Linux >>> users? Do we ever have meetings anymore? When was the last time we had >>> a beer meeting? The last meeting I went to was a long time ago, right >>> after VIM6 was released. The topic was VIM, and I remember someone >>> gave a great presentation in which I learned a lot. I'd love to see >>> this sort of thing again, where those of us who are passionate about >>> certain things, whether it be a text editor, low level c++ code, or >>> Taylor Swift, can make a positive contribution and share what we know >>> or what we're doing as a group. People behave much more adult-like in >>> person. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From 13.finn at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 20:11:27 2011 From: 13.finn at gmail.com (Patrick "Finn" Robins) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:11:27 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Alright In-Reply-To: References: <4D374F69.4030108@gmail.com> <0B261434-441B-4C69-894F-B6D2908FBD81@me.com> <1295476337.27390.1416191785@webmail.messagingengine.com> <4D3786F4.3080704@gmail.com> Message-ID: New thread sounds like a great idea even if only three of us are interested. -Patrick "Finn" Robins -- Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr. Seuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110119/b02c10ab/attachment.htm From jjensen at apache.org Wed Jan 19 20:23:16 2011 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:23:16 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Alright In-Reply-To: References: <4D374F69.4030108@gmail.com> <0B261434-441B-4C69-894F-B6D2908FBD81@me.com> <1295476337.27390.1416191785@webmail.messagingengine.com> <4D3786F4.3080704@gmail.com> <1611968759-1295487731-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1872128715-@bda588.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Tough crowd!! ;-) I think I am going to leave the list lmao. Well, there is beer in the fridge for employees.... we could "borrow" some of that, bring some of our own. Or meet at a licensed establishment. Perhaps my company's office works better for presentation/hack time... Offer is always open. Would be great to meet you guys (well, all but one of you... ;-) (and that's right Erik - "drinkin' gin & guice") (thanks Justin - that was really fun :-) On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > Before you get carried away Justin, Jeff made no mention of beer. > > Granted, "juice" can mean a lot of things. > > -Erik > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Justin Krejci wrote: >> Many mails ago the first sparks of fire ignited into a full fledged flame, fanned to life by the righteous. The encroaching heat set off yet more fires kicking off a chain reaction of bursting fires. Some perished in what is now called the great flame war of 2011-01. However, hope has now resurfaced for the struggling survivors and from the burning ashes a single beam of light shines thru with the cold audacity to squelch further conflict. All hail the great phoenix Jeff Jensen, Peace Bringer. >> >> Or more simply, what a great gesture Jeff! >> >> >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jeff Jensen >> Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org >> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:20:48 >> To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Alright >> >> We can meet at my company's office at 35E/494 in Eagan anytime - nice >> rooms that seat up to 60 people (or less if we also want tables for >> computers) with projector/screen, whiteboard, free snacks, free >> pop/juice, etc. ?Just let me know when. >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Jeremy MountainJohnson >> wrote: >>> I like Erik's idea about getting things going again for meetings and >>> would be interested in a beer or other meeting during the work week. I >>> think the last time I went to one was 3+ years ago, it's been way too >>> long... >> [snip] >> >> >>> On 01/19/2011 04:50 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: >> [snip] >> >>>> As far as TCLUG, what is this group for, if not to commune as Linux >>>> users? Do we ever have meetings anymore? When was the last time we had >>>> a beer meeting? The last meeting I went to was a long time ago, right >>>> after VIM6 was released. The topic was VIM, and I remember someone >>>> gave a great presentation in which I learned a lot. I'd love to see >>>> this sort of thing again, where those of us who are passionate about >>>> certain things, whether it be a text editor, low level c++ code, or >>>> Taylor Swift, can make a positive contribution and share what we know >>>> or what we're doing as a group. People behave much more adult-like in >>>> person. > -- > Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > erik at ekmitchell.com > http://ekmitchell.com/ From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 20:38:35 2011 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:38:35 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Alright In-Reply-To: References: <4D374F69.4030108@gmail.com> <0B261434-441B-4C69-894F-B6D2908FBD81@me.com> <1295476337.27390.1416191785@webmail.messagingengine.com> <4D3786F4.3080704@gmail.com> <1611968759-1295487731-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1872128715-@bda588.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: Perhaps your co's location would be better for an Installfest? I was thinking that because installing Linux on a regular PC isn't that hard anymore, that it might be interesting to have an installfest that focused on embedded hardware? There was some talk about ALIX boards a few weeks back. I think that involved installing FreeBSD, namely pfsense. But still, I think a lot of people would find it interesting to see a demo of how an embedded system is put together. Another related topic would be Android devices. Is anyone using a phone with a custom Android build on it? One that your rolled yourself? I have a Nexus One but I'm still just using the default OS image for it. Given the knowhow, and a little bit of time, I'd love to put my own image on there with the latest version of the Android OS. I also know a few people who have played with Cyanogenmod (http://www.cyanogenmod.com/). That's interesting as well. I think these are all Linux related, and move in a different direction from just desktop and server applications. There are potentially a lot of jobs in this area in the future, so I think to have the group talking about it would be a good thing. Thoughts? -Erik On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Jeff Jensen wrote: > Tough crowd!! ?;-) ?I think I am going to leave the list ?lmao. > > Well, there is beer in the fridge for employees.... we could "borrow" > some of that, bring some of our own. > Or meet at a licensed establishment. ?Perhaps my company's office > works better for presentation/hack time... > Offer is always open. ?Would be great to meet you guys (well, all but > one of you... ;-) > > (and that's right Erik - "drinkin' gin & guice") > > (thanks Justin - that was really fun :-) > > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: >> Before you get carried away Justin, Jeff made no mention of beer. >> >> Granted, "juice" can mean a lot of things. >> >> -Erik >> >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Justin Krejci wrote: >>> Many mails ago the first sparks of fire ignited into a full fledged flame, fanned to life by the righteous. The encroaching heat set off yet more fires kicking off a chain reaction of bursting fires. Some perished in what is now called the great flame war of 2011-01. However, hope has now resurfaced for the struggling survivors and from the burning ashes a single beam of light shines thru with the cold audacity to squelch further conflict. All hail the great phoenix Jeff Jensen, Peace Bringer. >>> >>> Or more simply, what a great gesture Jeff! >>> >>> >>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jeff Jensen >>> Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org >>> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:20:48 >>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>> Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Alright >>> >>> We can meet at my company's office at 35E/494 in Eagan anytime - nice >>> rooms that seat up to 60 people (or less if we also want tables for >>> computers) with projector/screen, whiteboard, free snacks, free >>> pop/juice, etc. ?Just let me know when. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Jeremy MountainJohnson >>> wrote: >>>> I like Erik's idea about getting things going again for meetings and >>>> would be interested in a beer or other meeting during the work week. I >>>> think the last time I went to one was 3+ years ago, it's been way too >>>> long... >>> [snip] >>> >>> >>>> On 01/19/2011 04:50 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: >>> [snip] >>> >>>>> As far as TCLUG, what is this group for, if not to commune as Linux >>>>> users? Do we ever have meetings anymore? When was the last time we had >>>>> a beer meeting? The last meeting I went to was a long time ago, right >>>>> after VIM6 was released. The topic was VIM, and I remember someone >>>>> gave a great presentation in which I learned a lot. I'd love to see >>>>> this sort of thing again, where those of us who are passionate about >>>>> certain things, whether it be a text editor, low level c++ code, or >>>>> Taylor Swift, can make a positive contribution and share what we know >>>>> or what we're doing as a group. People behave much more adult-like in >>>>> person. >> -- >> Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer >> erik.mitchell at gmail.com >> erik at ekmitchell.com >> http://ekmitchell.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From eric.schultz at mchsi.com Wed Jan 19 20:46:04 2011 From: eric.schultz at mchsi.com (Eric Schultz) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:46:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Alright In-Reply-To: <138425614.5713011295491527358.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs12> Message-ID: <1858451852.5713231295491564121.JavaMail.root@dsmdc-mail-mbs12> Sounds good... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik Mitchell" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:38:35 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Alright Perhaps your co's location would be better for an Installfest? I was thinking that because installing Linux on a regular PC isn't that hard anymore, that it might be interesting to have an installfest that focused on embedded hardware? There was some talk about ALIX boards a few weeks back. I think that involved installing FreeBSD, namely pfsense. But still, I think a lot of people would find it interesting to see a demo of how an embedded system is put together. Another related topic would be Android devices. Is anyone using a phone with a custom Android build on it? One that your rolled yourself? I have a Nexus One but I'm still just using the default OS image for it. Given the knowhow, and a little bit of time, I'd love to put my own image on there with the latest version of the Android OS. I also know a few people who have played with Cyanogenmod (http://www.cyanogenmod.com/). That's interesting as well. I think these are all Linux related, and move in a different direction from just desktop and server applications. There are potentially a lot of jobs in this area in the future, so I think to have the group talking about it would be a good thing. Thoughts? -Erik On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Jeff Jensen wrote: > Tough crowd!! ?;-) ?I think I am going to leave the list ?lmao. > > Well, there is beer in the fridge for employees.... we could "borrow" > some of that, bring some of our own. > Or meet at a licensed establishment. ?Perhaps my company's office > works better for presentation/hack time... > Offer is always open. ?Would be great to meet you guys (well, all but > one of you... ;-) > > (and that's right Erik - "drinkin' gin & guice") > > (thanks Justin - that was really fun :-) > > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: >> Before you get carried away Justin, Jeff made no mention of beer. >> >> Granted, "juice" can mean a lot of things. >> >> -Erik >> >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Justin Krejci wrote: >>> Many mails ago the first sparks of fire ignited into a full fledged flame, fanned to life by the righteous. The encroaching heat set off yet more fires kicking off a chain reaction of bursting fires. Some perished in what is now called the great flame war of 2011-01. However, hope has now resurfaced for the struggling survivors and from the burning ashes a single beam of light shines thru with the cold audacity to squelch further conflict. All hail the great phoenix Jeff Jensen, Peace Bringer. >>> >>> Or more simply, what a great gesture Jeff! >>> >>> >>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jeff Jensen >>> Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org >>> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:20:48 >>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>> Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Alright >>> >>> We can meet at my company's office at 35E/494 in Eagan anytime - nice >>> rooms that seat up to 60 people (or less if we also want tables for >>> computers) with projector/screen, whiteboard, free snacks, free >>> pop/juice, etc. ?Just let me know when. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Jeremy MountainJohnson >>> wrote: >>>> I like Erik's idea about getting things going again for meetings and >>>> would be interested in a beer or other meeting during the work week. I >>>> think the last time I went to one was 3+ years ago, it's been way too >>>> long... >>> [snip] >>> >>> >>>> On 01/19/2011 04:50 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: >>> [snip] >>> >>>>> As far as TCLUG, what is this group for, if not to commune as Linux >>>>> users? Do we ever have meetings anymore? When was the last time we had >>>>> a beer meeting? The last meeting I went to was a long time ago, right >>>>> after VIM6 was released. The topic was VIM, and I remember someone >>>>> gave a great presentation in which I learned a lot. I'd love to see >>>>> this sort of thing again, where those of us who are passionate about >>>>> certain things, whether it be a text editor, low level c++ code, or >>>>> Taylor Swift, can make a positive contribution and share what we know >>>>> or what we're doing as a group. People behave much more adult-like in >>>>> person. >> -- >> Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer >> erik.mitchell at gmail.com >> erik at ekmitchell.com >> http://ekmitchell.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 21:15:04 2011 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 21:15:04 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Alright In-Reply-To: References: <4D374F69.4030108@gmail.com> <0B261434-441B-4C69-894F-B6D2908FBD81@me.com> <1295476337.27390.1416191785@webmail.messagingengine.com> <4D3786F4.3080704@gmail.com> <1611968759-1295487731-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1872128715-@bda588.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <4D37A8B8.70601@gmail.com> Erik- All of that sounds interesting to me, especially the ALIX board stuff (don't have the time to learn on my own but want to- demo would be of great interest). All of those topics you mentioned are Linux based goodness. I'd also be interested in doing a presentation on Linux based data recovery / computer forensics too if anyone is interested. I know those topics came up recently in discussion. I'm in for meeting as well even if it's only 3 or 4 of us- the 35/494 location is very convenient for me. I couldn't pick a bar though, every time I do this for after work gatherings it always turns out to be way over crowed :/ Jeff- Where on earth do you work that has beer in the fridge? *Jeremy MountainJohnson * jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com On 01/19/2011 08:38 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > Perhaps your co's location would be better for an Installfest? I was > thinking that because installing Linux on a regular PC isn't that hard > anymore, that it might be interesting to have an installfest that > focused on embedded hardware? > > There was some talk about ALIX boards a few weeks back. I think that > involved installing FreeBSD, namely pfsense. But still, I think a lot > of people would find it interesting to see a demo of how an embedded > system is put together. > > Another related topic would be Android devices. Is anyone using a > phone with a custom Android build on it? One that your rolled > yourself? I have a Nexus One but I'm still just using the default OS > image for it. Given the knowhow, and a little bit of time, I'd love to > put my own image on there with the latest version of the Android OS. I > also know a few people who have played with Cyanogenmod > (http://www.cyanogenmod.com/). That's interesting as well. > > I think these are all Linux related, and move in a different direction > from just desktop and server applications. There are potentially a lot > of jobs in this area in the future, so I think to have the group > talking about it would be a good thing. > > Thoughts? > > -Erik > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Jeff Jensen wrote: >> Tough crowd!! ;-) I think I am going to leave the list lmao. >> >> Well, there is beer in the fridge for employees.... we could "borrow" >> some of that, bring some of our own. >> Or meet at a licensed establishment. Perhaps my company's office >> works better for presentation/hack time... >> Offer is always open. Would be great to meet you guys (well, all but >> one of you... ;-) >> >> (and that's right Erik - "drinkin' gin& guice") >> >> (thanks Justin - that was really fun :-) >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: >>> Before you get carried away Justin, Jeff made no mention of beer. >>> >>> Granted, "juice" can mean a lot of things. >>> >>> -Erik >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Justin Krejci wrote: >>>> Many mails ago the first sparks of fire ignited into a full fledged flame, fanned to life by the righteous. The encroaching heat set off yet more fires kicking off a chain reaction of bursting fires. Some perished in what is now called the great flame war of 2011-01. However, hope has now resurfaced for the struggling survivors and from the burning ashes a single beam of light shines thru with the cold audacity to squelch further conflict. All hail the great phoenix Jeff Jensen, Peace Bringer. >>>> >>>> Or more simply, what a great gesture Jeff! >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Jeff Jensen >>>> Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org >>>> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:20:48 >>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>>> Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List >>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Alright >>>> >>>> We can meet at my company's office at 35E/494 in Eagan anytime - nice >>>> rooms that seat up to 60 people (or less if we also want tables for >>>> computers) with projector/screen, whiteboard, free snacks, free >>>> pop/juice, etc. Just let me know when. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Jeremy MountainJohnson >>>> wrote: >>>>> I like Erik's idea about getting things going again for meetings and >>>>> would be interested in a beer or other meeting during the work week. I >>>>> think the last time I went to one was 3+ years ago, it's been way too >>>>> long... >>>> [snip] >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 01/19/2011 04:50 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: >>>> [snip] >>>> >>>>>> As far as TCLUG, what is this group for, if not to commune as Linux >>>>>> users? Do we ever have meetings anymore? When was the last time we had >>>>>> a beer meeting? The last meeting I went to was a long time ago, right >>>>>> after VIM6 was released. The topic was VIM, and I remember someone >>>>>> gave a great presentation in which I learned a lot. I'd love to see >>>>>> this sort of thing again, where those of us who are passionate about >>>>>> certain things, whether it be a text editor, low level c++ code, or >>>>>> Taylor Swift, can make a positive contribution and share what we know >>>>>> or what we're doing as a group. People behave much more adult-like in >>>>>> person. >>> -- >>> Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer >>> erik.mitchell at gmail.com >>> erik at ekmitchell.com >>> http://ekmitchell.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > From samael.anon at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 22:42:22 2011 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 22:42:22 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D361E6E.8040404@gmail.com> <4D371A8C.6050901@gmail.com> <4D372CE7.90500@gmail.com> <4D373665.2090402@gmail.com> <1295465702.760.151.camel@sysadmin3a> Message-ID: hail satan.... jk On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:28 PM, Robert Nesius wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Justin Krejci wrote: > >> Having never heard of SubGenius, I greatly appreciate your indignation >> at the Slackware linux name to the point that you decided to comment on >> it on here so I can learn about it. >> > > I actually have to second that. > > >> As cited in the referenced Wikipedia article, this slashdot interview >> indicates it >> was SubGenius inspired. >> http://slashdot.org/interviews/00/03/17/1120205.shtml >> > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but the whole subgenius thing seems like a > satirical take on religion? Seems like Justin (the original objector) has > objected to a literal interpretation of satire. > > >> I would imagine there is a great >> deal of code in every distro that is written by people who have some >> opinions that are in extreme opposition to your own yet I doubt you'd >> decide to stop using their awesome programs for that reason alone >> (assuming hypothetical code was awesome). >> > > I'm suddenly reminded of the bohemian couple in the first episode of > Portlandia who try to order the most ethical meal possible in a restaurant. > > -Rob > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110119/1a65319e/attachment.htm From samael.anon at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 22:51:22 2011 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 22:51:22 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Alright In-Reply-To: References: <4D374F69.4030108@gmail.com> <0B261434-441B-4C69-894F-B6D2908FBD81@me.com> <1295476337.27390.1416191785@webmail.messagingengine.com> <4D3786F4.3080704@gmail.com> <1611968759-1295487731-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1872128715-@bda588.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: nice refering justins bit of poetry. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Samael wrote: > nice > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Justin Krejci wrote: > >> Many mails ago the first sparks of fire ignited into a full fledged flame, >> fanned to life by the righteous. The encroaching heat set off yet more fires >> kicking off a chain reaction of bursting fires. Some perished in what is now >> called the great flame war of 2011-01. However, hope has now resurfaced for >> the struggling survivors and from the burning ashes a single beam of light >> shines thru with the cold audacity to squelch further conflict. All hail the >> great phoenix Jeff Jensen, Peace Bringer. >> >> Or more simply, what a great gesture Jeff! >> >> >> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jeff Jensen >> Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org >> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:20:48 >> To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Alright >> >> We can meet at my company's office at 35E/494 in Eagan anytime - nice >> rooms that seat up to 60 people (or less if we also want tables for >> computers) with projector/screen, whiteboard, free snacks, free >> pop/juice, etc. Just let me know when. >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Jeremy MountainJohnson >> wrote: >> > I like Erik's idea about getting things going again for meetings and >> > would be interested in a beer or other meeting during the work week. I >> > think the last time I went to one was 3+ years ago, it's been way too >> > long... >> [snip] >> >> >> > On 01/19/2011 04:50 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: >> [snip] >> >> >> As far as TCLUG, what is this group for, if not to commune as Linux >> >> users? Do we ever have meetings anymore? When was the last time we had >> >> a beer meeting? The last meeting I went to was a long time ago, right >> >> after VIM6 was released. The topic was VIM, and I remember someone >> >> gave a great presentation in which I learned a lot. I'd love to see >> >> this sort of thing again, where those of us who are passionate about >> >> certain things, whether it be a text editor, low level c++ code, or >> >> Taylor Swift, can make a positive contribution and share what we know >> >> or what we're doing as a group. People behave much more adult-like in >> >> person. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110119/5581ac4a/attachment-0001.htm From samael.anon at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 22:49:37 2011 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 22:49:37 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Alright In-Reply-To: <1611968759-1295487731-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1872128715-@bda588.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <4D374F69.4030108@gmail.com> <0B261434-441B-4C69-894F-B6D2908FBD81@me.com> <1295476337.27390.1416191785@webmail.messagingengine.com> <4D3786F4.3080704@gmail.com> <1611968759-1295487731-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1872128715-@bda588.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: nice On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Justin Krejci wrote: > Many mails ago the first sparks of fire ignited into a full fledged flame, > fanned to life by the righteous. The encroaching heat set off yet more fires > kicking off a chain reaction of bursting fires. Some perished in what is now > called the great flame war of 2011-01. However, hope has now resurfaced for > the struggling survivors and from the burning ashes a single beam of light > shines thru with the cold audacity to squelch further conflict. All hail the > great phoenix Jeff Jensen, Peace Bringer. > > Or more simply, what a great gesture Jeff! > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Jensen > Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:20:48 > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Alright > > We can meet at my company's office at 35E/494 in Eagan anytime - nice > rooms that seat up to 60 people (or less if we also want tables for > computers) with projector/screen, whiteboard, free snacks, free > pop/juice, etc. Just let me know when. > > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Jeremy MountainJohnson > wrote: > > I like Erik's idea about getting things going again for meetings and > > would be interested in a beer or other meeting during the work week. I > > think the last time I went to one was 3+ years ago, it's been way too > > long... > [snip] > > > > On 01/19/2011 04:50 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > [snip] > > >> As far as TCLUG, what is this group for, if not to commune as Linux > >> users? Do we ever have meetings anymore? When was the last time we had > >> a beer meeting? The last meeting I went to was a long time ago, right > >> after VIM6 was released. The topic was VIM, and I remember someone > >> gave a great presentation in which I learned a lot. I'd love to see > >> this sort of thing again, where those of us who are passionate about > >> certain things, whether it be a text editor, low level c++ code, or > >> Taylor Swift, can make a positive contribution and share what we know > >> or what we're doing as a group. People behave much more adult-like in > >> person. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110119/d91b8351/attachment-0001.htm From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 22:57:08 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 22:57:08 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Alright In-Reply-To: References: <4D374F69.4030108@gmail.com> <0B261434-441B-4C69-894F-B6D2908FBD81@me.com> <1295476337.27390.1416191785@webmail.messagingengine.com> <4D3786F4.3080704@gmail.com> <1611968759-1295487731-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1872128715-@bda588.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, Jeff Jensen wrote: > (and that's right Erik - "drinkin' gin & guice") Nuthin' but GNU thang. Mike From jjensen at apache.org Wed Jan 19 23:01:05 2011 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 23:01:05 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Alright In-Reply-To: <4D37A8B8.70601@gmail.com> References: <4D374F69.4030108@gmail.com> <0B261434-441B-4C69-894F-B6D2908FBD81@me.com> <1295476337.27390.1416191785@webmail.messagingengine.com> <4D3786F4.3080704@gmail.com> <1611968759-1295487731-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1872128715-@bda588.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4D37A8B8.70601@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yeah - these topics sound great! It's a little place called Intertech. It's mainly for after hours company meetings/gatherings there. On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote: > Erik- All of that sounds interesting to me, especially the ALIX board > stuff (don't have the time to learn on my own but want to- demo would be > of great interest). All of those topics you mentioned are Linux based > goodness. > > I'd also be interested in doing a presentation on Linux based data > recovery / computer forensics too if anyone is interested. I know those > topics came up recently in discussion. > > I'm in for meeting as well even if it's only 3 or 4 of us- the 35/494 > location is very convenient for me. I couldn't pick a bar though, every > time I do this for after work gatherings it always turns out to be way > over crowed :/ > > Jeff- Where on earth do you work that has beer in the fridge? > > *Jeremy MountainJohnson * > jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com > > > On 01/19/2011 08:38 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: >> Perhaps your co's location would be better for an Installfest? I was >> thinking that because installing Linux on a regular PC isn't that hard >> anymore, that it might be interesting to have an installfest that >> focused on embedded hardware? >> >> There was some talk about ALIX boards a few weeks back. I think that >> involved installing FreeBSD, namely pfsense. But still, I think a lot >> of people would find it interesting to see a demo of how an embedded >> system is put together. >> >> Another related topic would be Android devices. Is anyone using a >> phone with a custom Android build on it? One that your rolled >> yourself? I have a Nexus One but I'm still just using the default OS >> image for it. Given the knowhow, and a little bit of time, I'd love to >> put my own image on there with the latest version of the Android OS. I >> also know a few people who have played with Cyanogenmod >> (http://www.cyanogenmod.com/). That's interesting as well. >> >> I think these are all Linux related, and move in a different direction >> from just desktop and server applications. There are potentially a lot >> of jobs in this area in the future, so I think to have the group >> talking about it would be a good thing. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> -Erik >> >> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Jeff Jensen ?wrote: >>> Tough crowd!! ?;-) ?I think I am going to leave the list ?lmao. >>> >>> Well, there is beer in the fridge for employees.... we could "borrow" >>> some of that, bring some of our own. >>> Or meet at a licensed establishment. ?Perhaps my company's office >>> works better for presentation/hack time... >>> Offer is always open. ?Would be great to meet you guys (well, all but >>> one of you... ;-) >>> >>> (and that's right Erik - "drinkin' gin& ?guice") >>> >>> (thanks Justin - that was really fun :-) >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Erik Mitchell ?wrote: >>>> Before you get carried away Justin, Jeff made no mention of beer. >>>> >>>> Granted, "juice" can mean a lot of things. >>>> >>>> -Erik >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Justin Krejci ?wrote: >>>>> Many mails ago the first sparks of fire ignited into a full fledged flame, fanned to life by the righteous. The encroaching heat set off yet more fires kicking off a chain reaction of bursting fires. Some perished in what is now called the great flame war of 2011-01. However, hope has now resurfaced for the struggling survivors and from the burning ashes a single beam of light shines thru with the cold audacity to squelch further conflict. All hail the great phoenix Jeff Jensen, Peace Bringer. >>>>> >>>>> Or more simply, what a great gesture Jeff! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Jeff Jensen >>>>> Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org >>>>> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 19:20:48 >>>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>>>> Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List >>>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Alright >>>>> >>>>> We can meet at my company's office at 35E/494 in Eagan anytime - nice >>>>> rooms that seat up to 60 people (or less if we also want tables for >>>>> computers) with projector/screen, whiteboard, free snacks, free >>>>> pop/juice, etc. ?Just let me know when. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Jeremy MountainJohnson >>>>> ?wrote: >>>>>> I like Erik's idea about getting things going again for meetings and >>>>>> would be interested in a beer or other meeting during the work week. I >>>>>> think the last time I went to one was 3+ years ago, it's been way too >>>>>> long... >>>>> [snip] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 01/19/2011 04:50 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: >>>>> [snip] >>>>> >>>>>>> As far as TCLUG, what is this group for, if not to commune as Linux >>>>>>> users? Do we ever have meetings anymore? When was the last time we had >>>>>>> a beer meeting? The last meeting I went to was a long time ago, right >>>>>>> after VIM6 was released. The topic was VIM, and I remember someone >>>>>>> gave a great presentation in which I learned a lot. I'd love to see >>>>>>> this sort of thing again, where those of us who are passionate about >>>>>>> certain things, whether it be a text editor, low level c++ code, or >>>>>>> Taylor Swift, can make a positive contribution and share what we know >>>>>>> or what we're doing as a group. People behave much more adult-like in >>>>>>> person. >>>> -- >>>> Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer >>>> erik.mitchell at gmail.com >>>> erik at ekmitchell.com >>>> http://ekmitchell.com/ From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 23:01:24 2011 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 23:01:24 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Alright In-Reply-To: <4D3786F4.3080704@gmail.com> References: <4D374F69.4030108@gmail.com> <4D3786F4.3080704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201101192301.25156.mr.chew.baka@gmail.com> Jeremy MountainJohnson cried from the depths of the abyss... > I like Erik's idea about getting things going again for meetings and > would be interested in a beer or other meeting during the work week. I > think the last time I went to one was 3+ years ago, it's been way too > long... > I agree. My only complaint about this in the past was the short notice given for such events. It would be nice if we could figure out these dates in advance so we could have a week or two notice. I would have liked to have gone to many of the previous events & pubs but it was hard to do with only a couple day notice. From florin at iucha.net Wed Jan 19 23:02:42 2011 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 23:02:42 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Alright In-Reply-To: <4D374F69.4030108@gmail.com> References: <4D374F69.4030108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110120050242.GK2236@styx.iucha.org> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 02:54:01PM -0600, Drmgiver wrote: > It has become fully apparent that I do not belong in this group. I will > graciously leave you all to it. Be well all. No, please don't leave until you tell us what else offends you on the Internet so we can delete it and make it a better place for you. Cheers, florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110119/e56b24d7/attachment.pgp From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 23:07:38 2011 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 23:07:38 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Alright In-Reply-To: References: <4D374F69.4030108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201101192307.39203.mr.chew.baka@gmail.com> Jeremy MountainJohnson cried from the depths of the abyss... > Sounds like an excellent location Jeff. I think a beer meeting sounds > a bit more appealing for the initial restart (perhaps a precursor for > figuring out a speaker?). > You can count me in for this. A few beers would be nice. > Should probably get a new thread going for this- that is assuming more > than 3 of us are interested? > From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 23:13:25 2011 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 23:13:25 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Window Maker distro In-Reply-To: <4D373665.2090402@gmail.com> References: <4D35D936.2000703@gmail.com> <4D373665.2090402@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201101192313.25755.mr.chew.baka@gmail.com> Drmgiver cried from the depths of the abyss... > Again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius#Slack > > This is where the name *Slack*ware came from. That is why you will see > "Bob" when in reference to Slackware. That is why someone on this very > group mentioned "Bob". Again, it is an insult on Christianity. > I have got to be honest. All this talk about Slackware on this list today has got me pretty damned excited right now! Thanks All! Mr. B-o-B From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com Wed Jan 19 23:19:25 2011 From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 23:19:25 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting Message-ID: I would suggest meeting at Buffalo wild wings In Eagan getting a booth(3-6 people) and killing some wings whilst sipping a cold frosty class of "juice". I will throw down for some Parmesan garlic and hot wings. ,Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110119/eb33abaf/attachment.htm From florin at iucha.net Wed Jan 19 23:42:54 2011 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 23:42:54 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110120054254.GM2236@styx.iucha.org> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:19:25PM -0600, r j wrote: > I would suggest meeting at Buffalo wild wings In Eagan getting a booth(3-6 > people) and killing some wings whilst sipping a cold frosty class of > "juice". > I will throw down for some Parmesan garlic and hot wings. Eagan is not bad, but is far. Don't schedule anything before 7PM or so. Cheers, florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110119/92efafb0/attachment.pgp From mastercactapus at gmail.com Thu Jan 20 00:19:54 2011 From: mastercactapus at gmail.com (Nathan Caza) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 00:19:54 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Alrighty then Message-ID: I'd be up for a meet. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110120/a4ce53da/attachment-0001.htm From tclug at freakzilla.com Thu Jan 20 00:47:57 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 00:47:57 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm a vegetarian, how DARE you offend me!!! Seriously though, back when we USED to have meetings it did tend to be fun. It'd be nice if they got restarted... and occasionally were nearer to where I live (; On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, r j wrote: > I would suggest meeting at?Buffalo?wild wings In Eagan getting a booth(3-6 > people) and killing some wings?whilst?sipping a cold frosty class of > "juice".I will throw down for some?Parmesan?garlic and hot wings. > ,Ron > > -Yaron -- From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com Thu Jan 20 00:53:40 2011 From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 00:53:40 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting Message-ID: Lug members who wish to attend: Erick Jeremy B-O-B Nathan Florin Ron 1. Advanced notice 2 weeks 2. After seven pm. 3. Juice 4. Prefer Friday or weekend. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110120/fe7e50ab/attachment.htm From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com Thu Jan 20 00:53:40 2011 From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 00:53:40 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting Message-ID: Lug members who wish to attend: Erick Jeremy B-O-B Nathan Florin Ron 1. Advanced notice 2 weeks 2. After seven pm. 3. Juice 4. Prefer Friday or weekend. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110120/fe7e50ab/attachment-0001.htm From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com Thu Jan 20 00:53:40 2011 From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 00:53:40 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting Message-ID: Lug members who wish to attend: Erick Jeremy B-O-B Nathan Florin Ron 1. Advanced notice 2 weeks 2. After seven pm. 3. Juice 4. Prefer Friday or weekend. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110120/fe7e50ab/attachment-0002.htm From nesius at gmail.com Thu Jan 20 01:47:53 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 01:47:53 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Alright In-Reply-To: References: <4D374F69.4030108@gmail.com> <0B261434-441B-4C69-894F-B6D2908FBD81@me.com> <1295476337.27390.1416191785@webmail.messagingengine.com> <4D3786F4.3080704@gmail.com> <1611968759-1295487731-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1872128715-@bda588.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <4D37A8B8.70601@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Jeff Jensen wrote: > Yeah - these topics sound great! > > It's a little place called Intertech. It's mainly for after hours > company meetings/gatherings there. > > Intertech ... Do YOU have my red stapler? -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110120/aea7a80b/attachment.htm From john.meier at gmail.com Thu Jan 20 02:00:59 2011 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 02:00:59 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi! I'm a top posting, drunk, god/B-o-B fearing, linux loving, window manager, command line lover, c[o|u]{inssert RegExp that I can't figure on now} sucker. I'll hit a meet up too! On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:53 AM, r j wrote: > Lug members who wish to attend: > > Erick > > Jeremy > > B-O-B > > Nathan > > Florin > > Ron > > 1. Advanced notice 2 weeks > > 2. After seven pm. > > 3. Juice > > 4. Prefer Friday or weekend. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110120/9778a3c8/attachment.htm From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Jan 20 02:35:20 2011 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 02:35:20 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Alright In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Let's give praise and due credit to the Penguins Unbound activities. The TIES location is great for meetings and Installfests, and Penguins Unbound has been hosting Ubuntu-mostly Installfests quite often. Their internet pipe is one of the biggest around, and they are well-equipped for both LAN and WiFi connections. I think some of the early Installfests there were any-distro sessions. The name probably was adopted to avoid name wars with the UMN zealots who seemed to be trying to claim all of TCLUG and TCWUG as UMN student groups a couple of years ago. Having meetings hither and yon is nice, but so is having a regular and well-equipped place. Eagan is convenient for me. I hope the UMN venue isn't suggested again. Many simply will not go there... parking and other hassles. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Erik Mitchell > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:39 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Alright > > > Perhaps your co's location would be better for an Installfest? I was > thinking that because installing Linux on a regular PC isn't that hard > anymore, that it might be interesting to have an installfest that > focused on embedded hardware? > > There was some talk about ALIX boards a few weeks back. I think that > involved installing FreeBSD, namely pfsense. But still, I think a lot > of people would find it interesting to see a demo of how an embedded > system is put together. > > Another related topic would be Android devices. Is anyone using a > phone with a custom Android build on it? One that your rolled > yourself? I have a Nexus One but I'm still just using the default OS > image for it. Given the knowhow, and a little bit of time, I'd love to > put my own image on there with the latest version of the Android OS. I > also know a few people who have played with Cyanogenmod > (http://www.cyanogenmod.com/). That's interesting as well. > > I think these are all Linux related, and move in a different direction > from just desktop and server applications. There are potentially a lot > of jobs in this area in the future, so I think to have the group > talking about it would be a good thing. > > Thoughts? > > -Erik > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Jeff Jensen wrote: > > Tough crowd!! ;-) I think I am going to leave the list lmao. > > > > Well, there is beer in the fridge for employees.... we could "borrow" > > some of that, bring some of our own. > > Or meet at a licensed establishment. Perhaps my company's office > > works better for presentation/hack time... > > Offer is always open. Would be great to meet you guys (well, all but > > one of you... ;-) > > > > (and that's right Erik - "drinkin' gin & guice") > > > > (thanks Justin - that was really fun :-) > > From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Thu Jan 20 06:16:03 2011 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 06:16:03 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Event organization Message-ID: Would anyone be opposed to me organizing a beer meeting at Buffalo Wild Wings via Eventbrite? I think it would be useful to get a handle on how many people are going to be there. Yay? Nay? -Erik -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Thu Jan 20 07:18:31 2011 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 07:18:31 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Event organization In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sure, go for it. Is Eagan going to be the place or is that still up for debate? Jeremy MountainJohnson jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > Would anyone be opposed to me organizing a beer meeting at Buffalo > Wild Wings via Eventbrite? I think it would be useful to get a handle > on how many people are going to be there. > > Yay? Nay? > > -Erik > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > erik at ekmitchell.com > http://ekmitchell.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Thu Jan 20 07:24:17 2011 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 07:24:17 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can get a salad at Bdubs ;) I agree with the location being more centralized (inner-city), but that is probably my own selfishness since I live and work in the Twin Cities (not the burbs). Jeremy MountainJohnson jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Yaron wrote: > I'm a vegetarian, how DARE you offend me!!! > > Seriously though, back when we USED to have meetings it did tend to be fun. > It'd be nice if they got restarted... and occasionally were nearer to where > I live (; > > On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, r j wrote: > >> I would suggest meeting at?Buffalo?wild wings In Eagan getting a booth(3-6 >> people) and killing some wings?whilst?sipping a cold frosty class of >> "juice".I will throw down for some?Parmesan?garlic and hot wings. >> ,Ron >> >> > > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Thu Jan 20 07:44:17 2011 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 07:44:17 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't think we can please everyone in terms of location. I'll put together a poll today and send out a link, it will be between Roseville, St. Louis Park, and Eagan. -Erik On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote: > You can get a salad at Bdubs ;) > > I agree with the location being more centralized (inner-city), but > that is probably my own selfishness since I live and work in the Twin > Cities (not the burbs). > > Jeremy MountainJohnson > jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com > > > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Yaron wrote: >> I'm a vegetarian, how DARE you offend me!!! >> >> Seriously though, back when we USED to have meetings it did tend to be fun. >> It'd be nice if they got restarted... and occasionally were nearer to where >> I live (; >> >> On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, r j wrote: >> >>> I would suggest meeting at?Buffalo?wild wings In Eagan getting a booth(3-6 >>> people) and killing some wings?whilst?sipping a cold frosty class of >>> "juice".I will throw down for some?Parmesan?garlic and hot wings. >>> ,Ron >>> >>> >> >> >> -Yaron >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From jjensen at apache.org Thu Jan 20 08:02:25 2011 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:02:25 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm in. Location - either Minneapolis or St. Paul will work just fine, including the BWW on Snelling. On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > I don't think we can please everyone in terms of location. I'll put > together a poll today and send out a link, it will be between > Roseville, St. Louis Park, and Eagan. > > -Erik > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Jeremy MountainJohnson > wrote: >> You can get a salad at Bdubs ;) >> >> I agree with the location being more centralized (inner-city), but >> that is probably my own selfishness since I live and work in the Twin >> Cities (not the burbs). >> >> Jeremy MountainJohnson >> jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Yaron wrote: >>> I'm a vegetarian, how DARE you offend me!!! >>> >>> Seriously though, back when we USED to have meetings it did tend to be fun. >>> It'd be nice if they got restarted... and occasionally were nearer to where >>> I live (; >>> >>> On Wed, 19 Jan 2011, r j wrote: >>> >>>> I would suggest meeting at?Buffalo?wild wings In Eagan getting a booth(3-6 >>>> people) and killing some wings?whilst?sipping a cold frosty class of >>>> "juice".I will throw down for some?Parmesan?garlic and hot wings. >>>> ,Ron >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -Yaron >>> >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > erik at ekmitchell.com > http://ekmitchell.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tlunde at gmail.com Thu Jan 20 08:37:32 2011 From: tlunde at gmail.com (T L) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:37:32 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting Message-ID: I'm good with Eagan, as I happen to work out here. Thursday or Friday would be good. I'd come over after work, so an earlier start time than 7 would be great. Alternatively, how about http://www.kierans.com/ in downtown Minneapolis on a non Timberwolves night? Thomas On Jan 20, 2011 12:57 AM, "r j" wrote: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110120/c36dfea0/attachment.htm From simmonsj at redkeep.com Thu Jan 20 08:41:16 2011 From: simmonsj at redkeep.com (J.A. Simmons V) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 08:41:16 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I know of a security group in the area that does a rotating meeting to solve this problem. One month in Minneapolis, one month in St. Paul. Simmons -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110120/5aa7e812/attachment.htm From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Thu Jan 20 09:22:50 2011 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:22:50 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Event organization In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ok, in a shameless attempt to drive traffic for my site, I added a poll plugin... Please visit: http://ekmitchell.com/2011/01/20/tclug-out-of-hibernation/ and take a vote. These are for Buffalo Wild Wings locations. I'm going to propose the date of February 8, 2011. It's a Tuesday. Hopefully this will be a quiet night at the location, and one that doesn't conflict with other activities that people have going on. If you can't make it on the 8th, but otherwise would like to go, please indicate that in the poll. So, if you can go on the 8th, vote for a location. If you want to go, but the date is bad, vote for "can't go that day." If you don't want to go, then don't vote! Feel free to use the comments for any other discussion. Thanks, Erik On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:18 AM, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote: > Sure, go for it. Is Eagan going to be the place or is that still up for debate? > > Jeremy MountainJohnson > jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com > > > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:16 AM, Erik Mitchell wrote: >> Would anyone be opposed to me organizing a beer meeting at Buffalo >> Wild Wings via Eventbrite? I think it would be useful to get a handle >> on how many people are going to be there. >> >> Yay? Nay? >> >> -Erik >> >> -- >> Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer >> erik.mitchell at gmail.com >> erik at ekmitchell.com >> http://ekmitchell.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From admin at lctn.org Thu Jan 20 09:29:46 2011 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:29:46 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] RocketRaid configuration Message-ID: <4D3854EA.5090801@lctn.org> I'm working with a RocketRaid 222x sata controller on a freenas box (Raid 5). I had a failed drive, which I have since replaced and configured as a spare. In the raid bios it shows the raid is disabled. Actually it says "disable" for status. I am expecting the raid to rebuild, but it doesn't and I do see any way in the bios to alter the disable status. A mount command verifies the raid did not fire up. Any ideas how to resolve this, outside of creating a new raid? From 13.finn at gmail.com Thu Jan 20 09:52:35 2011 From: 13.finn at gmail.com (Patrick "Finn" Robins) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 09:52:35 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Event organization In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 09:22, Erik Mitchell wrote: > Ok, in a shameless attempt to drive traffic for my site, I added a > poll plugin... Please visit: > > http://ekmitchell.com/2011/01/20/tclug-out-of-hibernation/ > > Well, I voted. That makes 4. :^) > -Patrick "Finn" Robins -- Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr. Seuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110120/d191f3ef/attachment.htm From ryanjcole at me.com Thu Jan 20 10:13:21 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:13:21 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] RocketRaid configuration In-Reply-To: <4D3854EA.5090801@lctn.org> References: <4D3854EA.5090801@lctn.org> Message-ID: Everything I've read about RRs (I have two 2320s) is you need to either rebuild via the BIOS or via a system utility. Sadly, my experience is solely limited to FreeBSD so I really can't help with the sys utility process. On Jan 20, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Raymond Norton wrote: > I'm working with a RocketRaid 222x sata controller on a freenas box > (Raid 5). I had a failed drive, which I have since replaced and > configured as a spare. In the raid bios it shows the raid is disabled. > Actually it says "disable" for status. I am expecting the raid to > rebuild, but it doesn't and I do see any way in the bios to alter the > disable status. A mount command verifies the raid did not fire up. > > Any ideas how to resolve this, outside of creating a new raid? > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chris.niesen at gmail.com Thu Jan 20 10:17:40 2011 From: chris.niesen at gmail.com (Chris Niesen) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:17:40 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] manual install from tarball make error Message-ID: Hi everyone, I am looking for some advice on installing from a tarball. We are trying to install this on CentOS 5.5 kernel version 2.6.18-194.32.1.el5 #1 SMP x86_64. I run autogen.sh in the install directory. It seems to work. Then I go to the build subdirectory, so the build files don't clutter up the source code. I type ../configure --prefix=/home//brailleblaster/dist/native, then type make. Make gives the following errors: $4:>make Making all in gnulib make[1]: Entering directory `/home//liblouisro/build/gnulib' make all-recursive make[2]: Entering directory `/home//liblouisro/build/gnulib' make[3]: Entering directory `/home//liblouisro/build/gnulib' if /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CC --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../gnulib -I../liblouis -g -O2 -MT progname.lo -MD -MP -MF ".deps/progname.Tpo" -c -o progname.lo ../../gnulib/progname.c; \ then mv -f ".deps/progname.Tpo" ".deps/progname.Plo"; else rm -f ".deps/progname.Tpo"; exit 1; fi ../libtool: line 826: X--tag=CC: command not found ../libtool: line 859: libtool: ignoring unknown tag : command not found ../libtool: line 826: X--mode=compile: command not found ../libtool: line 992: *** Warning: inferring the mode of operation is deprecated.: command not found ../libtool: line 993: *** Future versions of Libtool will require --mode=MODE be specified.: command not found ../libtool: line 1136: Xgcc: command not found ../libtool: line 1136: X-DHAVE_CONFIG_H: command not found ../libtool: line 1136: X-I.: command not found ../libtool: line 1136: X-I../../gnulib: No such file or directory ../libtool: line 1136: X-I../liblouis: No such file or directory ../libtool: line 1136: X-g: command not found ../libtool: line 1136: X-O2: command not found ../libtool: line 1136: X-MT: command not found ../libtool: line 1136: Xprogname.lo: command not found ../libtool: line 1136: X-MD: command not found ../libtool: line 1136: X-MP: command not found ../libtool: line 1136: X-MF: command not found ../libtool: line 1136: X.deps/progname.Tpo: No such file or directory ../libtool: line 1136: X-c: command not found ../libtool: line 1188: Xprogname.lo: command not found ../libtool: line 1193: libtool: compile: cannot determine name of library object from `': command not found make[3]: *** [progname.lo] Error 1 make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 When we run this from a straight red hat distro, it installs with no errors. Does anyone have any advice to offer? Thanks! Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110120/01133ee2/attachment.htm From florin at iucha.net Thu Jan 20 10:48:32 2011 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 10:48:32 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] manual install from tarball make error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110120164832.GN2236@styx.iucha.org> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 10:17:40AM -0600, Chris Niesen wrote: > Hi everyone, I am looking for some advice on installing from a tarball. We > are trying to install this on CentOS 5.5 kernel version 2.6.18-194.32.1.el5 > #1 SMP x86_64. > > I run autogen.sh in the install directory. It seems to work. Then I go to > the build subdirectory, so the build files don't clutter up the source code. > I type ../configure --prefix=/home//brailleblaster/dist/native, > then type make. Make gives the following errors: > > $4:>make > Making all in gnulib > make[1]: Entering directory `/home//liblouisro/build/gnulib' > make all-recursive > make[2]: Entering directory `/home//liblouisro/build/gnulib' > make[3]: Entering directory `/home//liblouisro/build/gnulib' > if /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CC --mode=compile gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. > -I../../gnulib -I../liblouis -g -O2 -MT progname.lo -MD -MP -MF > ".deps/progname.Tpo" -c -o progname.lo ../../gnulib/progname.c; \ > then mv -f ".deps/progname.Tpo" ".deps/progname.Plo"; else rm -f > ".deps/progname.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > ../libtool: line 826: X--tag=CC: command not found > ../libtool: line 859: libtool: ignoring unknown tag : command not found > ../libtool: line 826: X--mode=compile: command not found > ../libtool: line 992: *** Warning: inferring the mode of operation is > deprecated.: command not found > ../libtool: line 993: *** Future versions of Libtool will require > --mode=MODE be specified.: command not found > ../libtool: line 1136: Xgcc: command not found > ../libtool: line 1136: X-DHAVE_CONFIG_H: command not found > ../libtool: line 1136: X-I.: command not found > ../libtool: line 1136: X-I../../gnulib: No such file or directory > ../libtool: line 1136: X-I../liblouis: No such file or directory > ../libtool: line 1136: X-g: command not found > ../libtool: line 1136: X-O2: command not found > ../libtool: line 1136: X-MT: command not found > ../libtool: line 1136: Xprogname.lo: command not found > ../libtool: line 1136: X-MD: command not found > ../libtool: line 1136: X-MP: command not found > ../libtool: line 1136: X-MF: command not found > ../libtool: line 1136: X.deps/progname.Tpo: No such file or directory > ../libtool: line 1136: X-c: command not found > ../libtool: line 1188: Xprogname.lo: command not found > ../libtool: line 1193: libtool: compile: cannot determine name of library > object from `': command not found > make[3]: *** [progname.lo] Error 1 > make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > make[1]: *** [all] Error 2 > make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > > When we run this from a straight red hat distro, it installs with no errors. > Does anyone have any advice to offer? List the package revisions (rpm -qa | sort > package.version) on both boxes and compare them. It is possible you are missing some development libraries on CentOS, or you have an older version of libtool. Also, make sure you perform the exact steps on both. Is the /home directory NFS-mounted on both boxes? Try building in /tmp, to ensure build fragments from RedHat do not confuse CentOS. Cheers, florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110120/175fe4a2/attachment.pgp From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Jan 20 11:26:57 2011 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:26:57 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Event organization In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Can we vote against any and all Buffalo Wild Wings locations? Meaningless poll if not. Places like John Barleycorn are much better. Perhaps look at SIGBAP choices for inspiration. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Erik Mitchell > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 9:23 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Event organization > > > Ok, in a shameless attempt to drive traffic for my site, I added a > poll plugin... Please visit: > > http://ekmitchell.com/2011/01/20/tclug-out-of-hibernation/ > > and take a vote. These are for Buffalo Wild Wings locations. > From jolexa at jolexa.net Thu Jan 20 11:42:20 2011 From: jolexa at jolexa.net (Jeremy Olexa) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:42:20 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Event organization In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2669d1ead294b0acf1d8d87148e2dfc1@webmail.jolexa.net> On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:26:57 -0600, Chuck Cole wrote: > Can we vote against any and all Buffalo Wild Wings locations? > Meaningless > poll if not. > Places like John Barleycorn are much better. Perhaps look at SIGBAP > choices > for inspiration. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikeshedding Let's just get regular meetings going first. It won't be at BWW every time... -Jeremy From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Thu Jan 20 11:47:47 2011 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:47:47 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Event organization In-Reply-To: <2669d1ead294b0acf1d8d87148e2dfc1@webmail.jolexa.net> References: <2669d1ead294b0acf1d8d87148e2dfc1@webmail.jolexa.net> Message-ID: Jeremy.. well said! On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Jeremy Olexa wrote: > ?On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:26:57 -0600, Chuck Cole wrote: >> Can we vote against any and all Buffalo Wild Wings locations? >> Meaningless >> poll if not. >> Places like John Barleycorn are much better. ?Perhaps look at SIGBAP >> choices >> for inspiration. > > ?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikeshedding > > ?Let's just get regular meetings going first. It won't be at BWW every > ?time... > > ?-Jeremy > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From samael.anon at gmail.com Thu Jan 20 12:02:26 2011 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 12:02:26 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Event organization In-Reply-To: References: <2669d1ead294b0acf1d8d87148e2dfc1@webmail.jolexa.net> Message-ID: i love beer, you are a genius! i would to go to a tclug meeting, since you are the only one who cares enough to set one up, do it. in fact i just did the math and it looks like it will work. here is what i came up with: x # of beers + tclug=fun On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > Jeremy.. well said! > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Jeremy Olexa wrote: > > On Thu, 20 Jan 2011 11:26:57 -0600, Chuck Cole wrote: > >> Can we vote against any and all Buffalo Wild Wings locations? > >> Meaningless > >> poll if not. > >> Places like John Barleycorn are much better. Perhaps look at SIGBAP > >> choices > >> for inspiration. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikeshedding > > > > Let's just get regular meetings going first. It won't be at BWW every > > time... > > > > -Jeremy > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > erik at ekmitchell.com > http://ekmitchell.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110120/4390a111/attachment.htm From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Thu Jan 20 12:07:35 2011 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 12:07:35 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] RocketRaid configuration In-Reply-To: References: <4D3854EA.5090801@lctn.org> Message-ID: <4D3879E7.6060505@gmail.com> On 1/20/2011 10:13 AM, Ryan Coleman cried from the depths of the abyss: > Everything I've read about RRs (I have two 2320s) is you need to either rebuild via the BIOS or via a system utility. > > Sadly, my experience is solely limited to FreeBSD so I really can't help with the sys utility process. > I could be wrong, but I believe freenas is FreeBSD. From samael.anon at gmail.com Thu Jan 20 12:08:11 2011 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 12:08:11 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Alright In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: if i don't get my swingline stapler back i will bur the building down... On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 2:35 AM, Chuck Cole wrote: > Let's give praise and due credit to the Penguins Unbound activities. The > TIES location is great for meetings and Installfests, and Penguins Unbound > has been hosting Ubuntu-mostly Installfests quite often. Their internet > pipe is one of the biggest around, and they are well-equipped for both LAN > and WiFi connections. I think some of the early Installfests there were > any-distro sessions. The name probably was adopted to avoid name wars with > the UMN zealots who seemed to be trying to claim all of TCLUG and TCWUG as > UMN student groups a couple of years ago. Having meetings hither and yon is > nice, but so is having a regular and well-equipped place. Eagan is > convenient for me. I hope the UMN venue isn't suggested again. Many simply > will not go there... parking and other hassles. > > > Chuck > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Erik Mitchell > > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:39 PM > > To: TCLUG Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Alright > > > > > > Perhaps your co's location would be better for an Installfest? I was > > thinking that because installing Linux on a regular PC isn't that hard > > anymore, that it might be interesting to have an installfest that > > focused on embedded hardware? > > > > There was some talk about ALIX boards a few weeks back. I think that > > involved installing FreeBSD, namely pfsense. But still, I think a lot > > of people would find it interesting to see a demo of how an embedded > > system is put together. > > > > Another related topic would be Android devices. Is anyone using a > > phone with a custom Android build on it? One that your rolled > > yourself? I have a Nexus One but I'm still just using the default OS > > image for it. Given the knowhow, and a little bit of time, I'd love to > > put my own image on there with the latest version of the Android OS. I > > also know a few people who have played with Cyanogenmod > > (http://www.cyanogenmod.com/). That's interesting as well. > > > > I think these are all Linux related, and move in a different direction > > from just desktop and server applications. There are potentially a lot > > of jobs in this area in the future, so I think to have the group > > talking about it would be a good thing. > > > > Thoughts? > > > > -Erik > > > > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Jeff Jensen wrote: > > > Tough crowd!! ;-) I think I am going to leave the list lmao. > > > > > > Well, there is beer in the fridge for employees.... we could "borrow" > > > some of that, bring some of our own. > > > Or meet at a licensed establishment. Perhaps my company's office > > > works better for presentation/hack time... > > > Offer is always open. Would be great to meet you guys (well, all but > > > one of you... ;-) > > > > > > (and that's right Erik - "drinkin' gin & guice") > > > > > > (thanks Justin - that was really fun :-) > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110120/785857fd/attachment.htm From admin at lctn.org Thu Jan 20 12:17:26 2011 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 12:17:26 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] RocketRaid configuration In-Reply-To: <4D3879E7.6060505@gmail.com> References: <4D3854EA.5090801@lctn.org> <4D3879E7.6060505@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D387C36.8060700@lctn.org> It is On 01/20/2011 12:07 PM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > On 1/20/2011 10:13 AM, Ryan Coleman cried from the depths of the abyss: > >> Everything I've read about RRs (I have two 2320s) is you need to either rebuild via the BIOS or via a system utility. >> >> Sadly, my experience is solely limited to FreeBSD so I really can't help with the sys utility process. >> >> > I could be wrong, but I believe freenas is FreeBSD. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Thu Jan 20 12:40:08 2011 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 12:40:08 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound Meetings for 2011 Message-ID: <4D388188.3000600@Goecke-Dolan.com> Thanks for supporting Penguins Unbound user group we have had a GREAT few years, and I am looking forward to another GREAT YEAR! I wanted to send a call out for speakers in the 2011 ! If you have a topic you would like to talk about let me know! Here are the Meeting Dates for 2011 (from http://www.penguinsunbound.com/Future_Meetings ) (Preliminary!!) 01-29-2011 TBD 02-26-2011 TBD 03-26-2011 TBD 04-30-2011 TBD (looks like this will be the April Install fest) 05-28-2011 TBD 06-25-2011 TBD 07-30-2011 TBD 08-20-2011* TBD 09-24-2011 TBD 10-29-2011 TBD Release Party ? 11-19-2011** TBD No December Meeting. So Let me know when you would like to come and speak ! Or if you have topics you are interested in ? Let me know and I can try an find someone to speak about the topic. I plan to have these topics covered in meeting this year! MythTV/Home Video Choices (Looking for help with this one, let me know what you are doing.) Arduino programming April and October Install fests! Thanks I hope to see you at the meetings in 2011! The next meeting is coming up soon! January 29th! Hope you will be there. ** Despite the timing on this, it is not related to the meeting discussion on the list, other than this being a Linux meeting. I fully support anyone organizing a Linux meeting anywhere anytime. I would hope that another meeting would not be at the same time as the meetings I have planned. ** Thanks. ==>brian. From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com Thu Jan 20 13:24:31 2011 From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 13:24:31 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting(vote against) Message-ID: I Hereby nominate Erik as the meeting BDFL(benevolent dictator for life)of the tclug meetings. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110120/e3fee8ca/attachment.htm From dan.smith225 at gmail.com Thu Jan 20 23:31:57 2011 From: dan.smith225 at gmail.com (Dan Smith) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 23:31:57 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. Message-ID: Tclug, I know this isn't the vmware communities (VMUG) but, I thought I'd start here before having to make another user account in another system somewhere... I have a HP Proliant DL360 (G1) it's about 10 years old and I'm looking to find out if I can install VMware Hypervisor (ESXi) 3.5i on it. System Specs are as follows: Dual P3 (1ghz) Processors Dual 72.8gb Ultra320 SCSI drives. 4gb's of ram Looks like it's using the integrated Smart Array Controller. This is the faster of my two servers. I also have a HP Netserver LP2000R running VMware ESXi 3.5i, but would like a little faster server until I'm able to afford a few Dell PowerEdge 1850's or 2850's to run Hypervisor 4 or have a enviroment to work with hyper-v. If anyone has experience with this server model installing a VMware ESX or ESXi product, please let me know. Thanks! - Dan Email: dan.smith225 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110120/824fc131/attachment.html From nesius at gmail.com Thu Jan 20 22:09:27 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:09:27 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Something in St. Louis Park I'd considering trucking it in from the St. Cloud area. Getting over to Eagan looks tricky - last time I tried to get over to the airport across the south metro during rush hour there was no path that wasn't completely stacked up. Took me 45 minutes to get across Edina and Bloomington. -Rob On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:41 AM, J.A. Simmons V wrote: > I know of a security group in the area that does a rotating meeting to > solve this problem. One month in Minneapolis, one month in St. Paul. > > Simmons > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110120/7a613433/attachment.htm From ryanjcole at me.com Fri Jan 21 00:33:42 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 00:33:42 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <93A87D2B-ED53-42ED-9B61-95AEE9E133B5@me.com> Robert, You should consider 55 through Minneapolis and grabbing 110 or Pilot Knob. Usually a much smoother ride, albeit one with 10 stoplights. -- Ryan On Jan 20, 2011, at 10:09 PM, Robert Nesius wrote: > Something in St. Louis Park I'd considering trucking it in from the St. Cloud area. Getting over to Eagan looks tricky - last time I tried to get over to the airport across the south metro during rush hour there was no path that wasn't completely stacked up. Took me 45 minutes to get across Edina and Bloomington. > > -Rob > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:41 AM, J.A. Simmons V wrote: > I know of a security group in the area that does a rotating meeting to solve this problem. One month in Minneapolis, one month in St. Paul. > > Simmons > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/1a9ba17f/attachment.htm From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Fri Jan 21 01:03:26 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 01:03:26 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting In-Reply-To: <93A87D2B-ED53-42ED-9B61-95AEE9E133B5@me.com> References: <93A87D2B-ED53-42ED-9B61-95AEE9E133B5@me.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Jan 2011, Ryan Coleman wrote: > You should consider 55 through Minneapolis and grabbing 110 or Pilot > Knob. Usually a much smoother ride, albeit one with 10 stoplights. Sometimes it's even better to get on the river road. Take the West river road down to Franklin or Lake or Ford and cross over to the East. From there you can get on Rt. 5. You might only to 25 mph, but you won't hit any lights. I've used it to get from the U to the airport at rush hour and it works great. Mike From trnja001 at umn.edu Fri Jan 21 01:08:59 2011 From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 01:08:59 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D39310B.1000801@umn.edu> On 1/20/2011 11:31 PM, Dan Smith wrote: > Tclug, > > I know this isn't the vmware communities (VMUG) but, I thought I'd > start here before having to make another user account in another > system somewhere... > > I have a HP Proliant DL360 (G1) it's about 10 years old and I'm > looking to find out if I can install VMware Hypervisor (ESXi) 3.5i on it. ESXi supports less hardware than ESX. If you don't have licenses to spare, this means you're a bit out of luck and have to go with the free version which is only limited to ESXi. > > System Specs are as follows: > Dual P3 (1ghz) Processors > Dual 72.8gb Ultra320 SCSI drives. > 4gb's of ram > Looks like it's using the integrated Smart Array Controller. Generally the storage controller is most likely device not to be supported > > This is the faster of my two servers. I also have a HP Netserver > LP2000R running VMware ESXi 3.5i, but would like a little faster > server until I'm able to afford a few Dell PowerEdge 1850's or 2850's > to run Hypervisor 4 or have a enviroment to work with hyper-v. You may be able to save some money by going with tower servers instead of rack mounted ones. Dell typically has great deals on them. > > If anyone has experience with this server model installing a VMware > ESX or ESXi product, please let me know. No experience with this server model, but you might want to look into ESX\ESXi version 2 although you may not be able to get licenses for it. Another option is the hosted VMware Server which runs in Windows or Linux as it will more likely support your hardware. > > Thanks! > > - > Dan > Email: dan.smith225 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/cad78f9e/attachment.htm From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Fri Jan 21 05:55:05 2011 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 05:55:05 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Robert, The Roseville location might not be any worse, although I can't speak to traffic. You'd just stay on 694 until you hit 35W, and go south from there to 36, and over to Snelling. If traffic is the same I would think the travel time from St. Cloud would be the same to Roseville and SLP. -Erik On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Robert Nesius wrote: > Something in St. Louis Park I'd considering trucking it in from the St. > Cloud area.? Getting over to Eagan looks tricky - last time I tried to get > over to the airport across the south metro during rush hour there was no > path that wasn't completely stacked up.? Took me 45 minutes to get across > Edina and Bloomington. > > -Rob > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:41 AM, J.A. Simmons V > wrote: >> >> I know of a security group in the area that does a rotating meeting to >> solve this problem. One month in Minneapolis, one month in St. Paul. >> Simmons >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Fri Jan 21 06:11:30 2011 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 06:11:30 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Dan Smith wrote: > System Specs are as follows: > Dual P3 (1ghz) Processors Running a virtualization system on a processor without the virtualization instruction set extensions will either be impossible or just woefully inadequate, depending on the type. I'm not sure which type VMware ESX is, but either way I wouldn't expect this to work *well*, if at all. - Tony From 13.finn at gmail.com Fri Jan 21 08:32:57 2011 From: 13.finn at gmail.com (Patrick "Finn" Robins) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:32:57 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have to second that. Virtualization on a CPU without the VT extensions is a big performance hit. -Patrick "Finn" Robins -- Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr. Seuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/20c3a43b/attachment.htm From chris.niesen at gmail.com Fri Jan 21 09:09:30 2011 From: chris.niesen at gmail.com (Chris Niesen) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:09:30 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ESXi requires a 64 bit processor. Don't waste your time. On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Dan Smith wrote: > Tclug, > > I know this isn't the vmware communities (VMUG) but, I thought I'd start > here before having to make another user account in another system > somewhere... > > I have a HP Proliant DL360 (G1) it's about 10 years old and I'm looking to > find out if I can install VMware Hypervisor (ESXi) 3.5i on it. > > System Specs are as follows: > Dual P3 (1ghz) Processors > Dual 72.8gb Ultra320 SCSI drives. > 4gb's of ram > Looks like it's using the integrated Smart Array Controller. > > This is the faster of my two servers. I also have a HP Netserver LP2000R > running VMware ESXi 3.5i, but would like a little faster server until I'm > able to afford a few Dell PowerEdge 1850's or 2850's to run Hypervisor 4 or > have a enviroment to work with hyper-v. > > If anyone has experience with this server model installing a VMware ESX or > ESXi product, please let me know. > > Thanks! > > - > Dan > Email: dan.smith225 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/4c0ea402/attachment-0001.htm From trnja001 at umn.edu Fri Jan 21 10:18:20 2011 From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:18:20 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D39B1CC.5010108@umn.edu> vSphere (ESX\ESXi 4.0 and up) requires a 64-bit processor however ESXi 3.5 and earlier do support 32-bit processors. On 1/21/2011 9:09 AM, Chris Niesen wrote: > ESXi requires a 64 bit processor. Don't waste your time. > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Dan Smith > wrote: > > Tclug, > > I know this isn't the vmware communities (VMUG) but, I thought I'd > start here before having to make another user account in another > system somewhere... > > I have a HP Proliant DL360 (G1) it's about 10 years old and I'm > looking to find out if I can install VMware Hypervisor (ESXi) 3.5i > on it. > > System Specs are as follows: > Dual P3 (1ghz) Processors > Dual 72.8gb Ultra320 SCSI drives. > 4gb's of ram > Looks like it's using the integrated Smart Array Controller. > > This is the faster of my two servers. I also have a HP Netserver > LP2000R running VMware ESXi 3.5i, but would like a little faster > server until I'm able to afford a few Dell PowerEdge 1850's or > 2850's to run Hypervisor 4 or have a enviroment to work with hyper-v. > > If anyone has experience with this server model installing a > VMware ESX or ESXi product, please let me know. > > Thanks! > > - > Dan > Email: dan.smith225 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/5a4eeed6/attachment.htm From trnja001 at umn.edu Fri Jan 21 10:27:01 2011 From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:27:01 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D39B3D5.70600@umn.edu> I think this was understood by the original poster, however don't be so quick to discount Binary Translation. If you have an older processor with the early versions of the VT extensions, they're unlikely to get used as they perform worse than Binary Translation on a platform that advanced it well (e.g. VMware). Even on the newest processors, Binary Translation is used to handle some scenarios as the VT extensions can't support them. The biggest gains from VT extensions have been in the context switching arena and those gains are further increased on the vSphere platform. If you keep the number of VMs and vCPUs minimal in proportion to the number of physical CPUs, you shouldn't see too much of a performance impact as the frequency of context switching should minimized (still quite a lot, but normal) as a result. On 1/21/2011 8:32 AM, Patrick "Finn" Robins wrote: > I have to second that. Virtualization on a CPU without the VT > extensions is a big performance hit. > > > -Patrick "Finn" Robins > > -- > Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't > matter and those who matter don't mind. > - Dr. Seuss > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/d4ad2ef3/attachment.htm From nesius at gmail.com Fri Jan 21 11:27:41 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:27:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the travel tips all. I had in fact considered dropping down through downtown (or around it) instead of looping around to the south. That southern cross-town corridor is hell from france to I35. :( -Rob On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 5:55 AM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > Robert, > The Roseville location might not be any worse, although I can't speak > to traffic. You'd just stay on 694 until you hit 35W, and go south > from there to 36, and over to Snelling. If traffic is the same I would > think the travel time from St. Cloud would be the same to Roseville > and SLP. > > -Erik > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Robert Nesius wrote: > > Something in St. Louis Park I'd considering trucking it in from the St. > > Cloud area. Getting over to Eagan looks tricky - last time I tried to > get > > over to the airport across the south metro during rush hour there was no > > path that wasn't completely stacked up. Took me 45 minutes to get across > > Edina and Bloomington. > > > > -Rob > > > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:41 AM, J.A. Simmons V > > wrote: > >> > >> I know of a security group in the area that does a rotating meeting to > >> solve this problem. One month in Minneapolis, one month in St. Paul. > >> Simmons > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > erik at ekmitchell.com > http://ekmitchell.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/d41267f7/attachment.htm From ryanjcole at me.com Fri Jan 21 11:35:24 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:35:24 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3423C433-D3D5-4707-B707-A9BEE4D7AB5D@me.com> My only recommendation is when 394/Hennepin/5th split off 94 is where most of the congestion starts (I commuted for 2 years from 694/35W to Uptown that way) so you'd be better off more times than not to bail there. The backup often goes to before that split, but usually just barely, because it goes from 5 lanes to 4 to 3 to 2 in a heart beat (the 3rd lane on the tunnel comes from 394). It sucks, trust me, if you get stuck in it. On Jan 21, 2011, at 11:27 AM, Robert Nesius wrote: > Thanks for the travel tips all. I had in fact considered dropping down through downtown (or around it) instead of looping around to the south. That southern cross-town corridor is hell from france to I35. :( > > -Rob > > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 5:55 AM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > Robert, > The Roseville location might not be any worse, although I can't speak > to traffic. You'd just stay on 694 until you hit 35W, and go south > from there to 36, and over to Snelling. If traffic is the same I would > think the travel time from St. Cloud would be the same to Roseville > and SLP. > > -Erik > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Robert Nesius wrote: > > Something in St. Louis Park I'd considering trucking it in from the St. > > Cloud area. Getting over to Eagan looks tricky - last time I tried to get > > over to the airport across the south metro during rush hour there was no > > path that wasn't completely stacked up. Took me 45 minutes to get across > > Edina and Bloomington. > > > > -Rob > > > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:41 AM, J.A. Simmons V > > wrote: > >> > >> I know of a security group in the area that does a rotating meeting to > >> solve this problem. One month in Minneapolis, one month in St. Paul. > >> Simmons > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > erik at ekmitchell.com > http://ekmitchell.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/c1445596/attachment-0001.htm From dan.smith225 at gmail.com Fri Jan 21 12:02:44 2011 From: dan.smith225 at gmail.com (Dan Smith) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 12:02:44 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 73, Issue 40 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In regards to the VMware discussion thread that I started yesterday. I now regret it. Honestly it sounds like nobody on this list actually value's older software. VMware ESXi 3.5i is 32bit software that does not require virtualization on a CPU with the VT extensions. Yes it would help in a virtual environment, but is not required. And, FYI, there are two versions of VMware ESXi 3.5 (32bit) and Vmware ESXi 4 (64bit only). Thanks, -Dan On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:10 AM, wrote: > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Meeting (Robert Nesius) > 2. Re: Meeting (Ryan Coleman) > 3. Re: Meeting (Mike Miller) > 4. Re: Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. (Elvedin Trnjanin) > 5. Re: Meeting (Erik Mitchell) > 6. Re: Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. (Tony Yarusso) > 7. Re: Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. > (Patrick "Finn" Robins) > 8. Re: Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. (Chris Niesen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:09:27 -0600 > From: Robert Nesius > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Meeting > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Something in St. Louis Park I'd considering trucking it in from the St. > Cloud area. Getting over to Eagan looks tricky - last time I tried to get > over to the airport across the south metro during rush hour there was no > path that wasn't completely stacked up. Took me 45 minutes to get across > Edina and Bloomington. > > -Rob > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:41 AM, J.A. Simmons V >wrote: > > > I know of a security group in the area that does a rotating meeting to > > solve this problem. One month in Minneapolis, one month in St. Paul. > > > > Simmons > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110120/7a613433/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 00:33:42 -0600 > From: Ryan Coleman > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Meeting > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Message-ID: <93A87D2B-ED53-42ED-9B61-95AEE9E133B5 at me.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Robert, > > You should consider 55 through Minneapolis and grabbing 110 or Pilot Knob. > Usually a much smoother ride, albeit one with 10 stoplights. > > -- > Ryan > > On Jan 20, 2011, at 10:09 PM, Robert Nesius wrote: > > > Something in St. Louis Park I'd considering trucking it in from the St. > Cloud area. Getting over to Eagan looks tricky - last time I tried to get > over to the airport across the south metro during rush hour there was no > path that wasn't completely stacked up. Took me 45 minutes to get across > Edina and Bloomington. > > > > -Rob > > > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:41 AM, J.A. Simmons V > wrote: > > I know of a security group in the area that does a rotating meeting to > solve this problem. One month in Minneapolis, one month in St. Paul. > > > > Simmons > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/1a9ba17f/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 01:03:26 -0600 (CST) > From: Mike Miller > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Meeting > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > On Fri, 21 Jan 2011, Ryan Coleman wrote: > > > You should consider 55 through Minneapolis and grabbing 110 or Pilot > > Knob. Usually a much smoother ride, albeit one with 10 stoplights. > > > Sometimes it's even better to get on the river road. Take the West river > road down to Franklin or Lake or Ford and cross over to the East. From > there you can get on Rt. 5. You might only to 25 mph, but you won't hit > any lights. I've used it to get from the U to the airport at rush hour > and it works great. > > Mike > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 01:08:59 -0600 > From: Elvedin Trnjanin > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Cc: Dan Smith > Message-ID: <4D39310B.1000801 at umn.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On 1/20/2011 11:31 PM, Dan Smith wrote: > > Tclug, > > > > I know this isn't the vmware communities (VMUG) but, I thought I'd > > start here before having to make another user account in another > > system somewhere... > > > > I have a HP Proliant DL360 (G1) it's about 10 years old and I'm > > looking to find out if I can install VMware Hypervisor (ESXi) 3.5i on it. > ESXi supports less hardware than ESX. If you don't have licenses to > spare, this means you're a bit out of luck and have to go with the free > version which is only limited to ESXi. > > > > System Specs are as follows: > > Dual P3 (1ghz) Processors > > Dual 72.8gb Ultra320 SCSI drives. > > 4gb's of ram > > Looks like it's using the integrated Smart Array Controller. > Generally the storage controller is most likely device not to be supported > > > > This is the faster of my two servers. I also have a HP Netserver > > LP2000R running VMware ESXi 3.5i, but would like a little faster > > server until I'm able to afford a few Dell PowerEdge 1850's or 2850's > > to run Hypervisor 4 or have a enviroment to work with hyper-v. > You may be able to save some money by going with tower servers instead > of rack mounted ones. Dell typically has great deals on them. > > > > If anyone has experience with this server model installing a VMware > > ESX or ESXi product, please let me know. > No experience with this server model, but you might want to look into > ESX\ESXi version 2 although you may not be able to get licenses for it. > Another option is the hosted VMware Server which runs in Windows or > Linux as it will more likely support your hardware. > > > > Thanks! > > > > - > > Dan > > Email: dan.smith225 at gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/cad78f9e/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 05:55:05 -0600 > From: Erik Mitchell > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Meeting > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Robert, > The Roseville location might not be any worse, although I can't speak > to traffic. You'd just stay on 694 until you hit 35W, and go south > from there to 36, and over to Snelling. If traffic is the same I would > think the travel time from St. Cloud would be the same to Roseville > and SLP. > > -Erik > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Robert Nesius wrote: > > Something in St. Louis Park I'd considering trucking it in from the St. > > Cloud area.? Getting over to Eagan looks tricky - last time I tried to > get > > over to the airport across the south metro during rush hour there was no > > path that wasn't completely stacked up.? Took me 45 minutes to get across > > Edina and Bloomington. > > > > -Rob > > > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:41 AM, J.A. Simmons V > > wrote: > >> > >> I know of a security group in the area that does a rotating meeting to > >> solve this problem. One month in Minneapolis, one month in St. Paul. > >> Simmons > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > erik at ekmitchell.com > http://ekmitchell.com/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 06:11:30 -0600 > From: Tony Yarusso > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Dan Smith > wrote: > > System Specs are as follows: > > Dual P3 (1ghz) Processors > > Running a virtualization system on a processor without the > virtualization instruction set extensions will either be impossible or > just woefully inadequate, depending on the type. I'm not sure which > type VMware ESX is, but either way I wouldn't expect this to work > *well*, if at all. > > - Tony > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:32:57 -0600 > From: "Patrick \"Finn\" Robins" <13.finn at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Message-ID: > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I have to second that. Virtualization on a CPU without the VT extensions is > a big performance hit. > > > -Patrick "Finn" Robins > > -- > Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter > and those who matter don't mind. > - Dr. Seuss > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/20c3a43b/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:09:30 -0600 > From: Chris Niesen > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > ESXi requires a 64 bit processor. Don't waste your time. > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Dan Smith > wrote: > > > Tclug, > > > > I know this isn't the vmware communities (VMUG) but, I thought I'd start > > here before having to make another user account in another system > > somewhere... > > > > I have a HP Proliant DL360 (G1) it's about 10 years old and I'm looking > to > > find out if I can install VMware Hypervisor (ESXi) 3.5i on it. > > > > System Specs are as follows: > > Dual P3 (1ghz) Processors > > Dual 72.8gb Ultra320 SCSI drives. > > 4gb's of ram > > Looks like it's using the integrated Smart Array Controller. > > > > This is the faster of my two servers. I also have a HP Netserver LP2000R > > running VMware ESXi 3.5i, but would like a little faster server until I'm > > able to afford a few Dell PowerEdge 1850's or 2850's to run Hypervisor 4 > or > > have a enviroment to work with hyper-v. > > > > If anyone has experience with this server model installing a VMware ESX > or > > ESXi product, please let me know. > > > > Thanks! > > > > - > > Dan > > Email: dan.smith225 at gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/4c0ea402/attachment.htm > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 73, Issue 40 > ****************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/51acf032/attachment-0001.htm From random at argle.org Fri Jan 21 12:33:49 2011 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 12:33:49 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D39D18D.502@argle.org> Either Roseville or SLP works better for me than Eagan. Honestly, most anything inside the loop is my preference for getting around in the evenings. -- Dan From samael.anon at gmail.com Fri Jan 21 13:25:10 2011 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:25:10 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 73, Issue 40 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: i am srictly on this list to provide comic relief. On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Samael wrote: > oh shoot, another unhappy customer... > > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Dan Smith wrote: > >> In regards to the VMware discussion thread that I started yesterday. I now >> regret it. Honestly it sounds like nobody on this list actually value's >> older software. VMware ESXi 3.5i is 32bit software that does not require >> virtualization on a CPU with the VT extensions. Yes it would help in a >> virtual environment, but is not required. And, FYI, there are two versions >> of VMware ESXi 3.5 (32bit) and Vmware ESXi 4 (64bit only). >> >> Thanks, >> >> -Dan >> >> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:10 AM, wrote: >> >>> Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: Meeting (Robert Nesius) >>> 2. Re: Meeting (Ryan Coleman) >>> 3. Re: Meeting (Mike Miller) >>> 4. Re: Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. (Elvedin Trnjanin) >>> 5. Re: Meeting (Erik Mitchell) >>> 6. Re: Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. (Tony Yarusso) >>> 7. Re: Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. >>> (Patrick "Finn" Robins) >>> 8. Re: Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. (Chris Niesen) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:09:27 -0600 >>> From: Robert Nesius >>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Meeting >>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> Something in St. Louis Park I'd considering trucking it in from the St. >>> Cloud area. Getting over to Eagan looks tricky - last time I tried to >>> get >>> over to the airport across the south metro during rush hour there was no >>> path that wasn't completely stacked up. Took me 45 minutes to get across >>> Edina and Bloomington. >>> >>> -Rob >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:41 AM, J.A. Simmons V >> >wrote: >>> >>> > I know of a security group in the area that does a rotating meeting to >>> > solve this problem. One month in Minneapolis, one month in St. Paul. >>> > >>> > Simmons >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> > >>> > >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110120/7a613433/attachment-0001.htm >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 00:33:42 -0600 >>> From: Ryan Coleman >>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Meeting >>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>> Message-ID: <93A87D2B-ED53-42ED-9B61-95AEE9E133B5 at me.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>> Robert, >>> >>> You should consider 55 through Minneapolis and grabbing 110 or Pilot >>> Knob. Usually a much smoother ride, albeit one with 10 stoplights. >>> >>> -- >>> Ryan >>> >>> On Jan 20, 2011, at 10:09 PM, Robert Nesius wrote: >>> >>> > Something in St. Louis Park I'd considering trucking it in from the St. >>> Cloud area. Getting over to Eagan looks tricky - last time I tried to get >>> over to the airport across the south metro during rush hour there was no >>> path that wasn't completely stacked up. Took me 45 minutes to get across >>> Edina and Bloomington. >>> > >>> > -Rob >>> > >>> > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:41 AM, J.A. Simmons V >>> wrote: >>> > I know of a security group in the area that does a rotating meeting to >>> solve this problem. One month in Minneapolis, one month in St. Paul. >>> > >>> > Simmons >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/1a9ba17f/attachment-0001.htm >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 01:03:26 -0600 (CST) >>> From: Mike Miller > >>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Meeting >>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >>> >>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2011, Ryan Coleman wrote: >>> >>> > You should consider 55 through Minneapolis and grabbing 110 or Pilot >>> > Knob. Usually a much smoother ride, albeit one with 10 stoplights. >>> >>> >>> Sometimes it's even better to get on the river road. Take the West river >>> road down to Franklin or Lake or Ford and cross over to the East. From >>> there you can get on Rt. 5. You might only to 25 mph, but you won't hit >>> any lights. I've used it to get from the U to the airport at rush hour >>> and it works great. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 4 >>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 01:08:59 -0600 >>> From: Elvedin Trnjanin >>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. >>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>> Cc: Dan Smith >>> Message-ID: <4D39310B.1000801 at umn.edu> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> On 1/20/2011 11:31 PM, Dan Smith wrote: >>> > Tclug, >>> > >>> > I know this isn't the vmware communities (VMUG) but, I thought I'd >>> > start here before having to make another user account in another >>> > system somewhere... >>> > >>> > I have a HP Proliant DL360 (G1) it's about 10 years old and I'm >>> > looking to find out if I can install VMware Hypervisor (ESXi) 3.5i on >>> it. >>> ESXi supports less hardware than ESX. If you don't have licenses to >>> spare, this means you're a bit out of luck and have to go with the free >>> version which is only limited to ESXi. >>> > >>> > System Specs are as follows: >>> > Dual P3 (1ghz) Processors >>> > Dual 72.8gb Ultra320 SCSI drives. >>> > 4gb's of ram >>> > Looks like it's using the integrated Smart Array Controller. >>> Generally the storage controller is most likely device not to be >>> supported >>> > >>> > This is the faster of my two servers. I also have a HP Netserver >>> > LP2000R running VMware ESXi 3.5i, but would like a little faster >>> > server until I'm able to afford a few Dell PowerEdge 1850's or 2850's >>> > to run Hypervisor 4 or have a enviroment to work with hyper-v. >>> You may be able to save some money by going with tower servers instead >>> of rack mounted ones. Dell typically has great deals on them. >>> > >>> > If anyone has experience with this server model installing a VMware >>> > ESX or ESXi product, please let me know. >>> No experience with this server model, but you might want to look into >>> ESX\ESXi version 2 although you may not be able to get licenses for it. >>> Another option is the hosted VMware Server which runs in Windows or >>> Linux as it will more likely support your hardware. >>> > >>> > Thanks! >>> > >>> > - >>> > Dan >>> > Email: dan.smith225 at gmail.com >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/cad78f9e/attachment-0001.htm >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 5 >>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 05:55:05 -0600 >>> From: Erik Mitchell >>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Meeting >>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>> >>> Robert, >>> The Roseville location might not be any worse, although I can't speak >>> to traffic. You'd just stay on 694 until you hit 35W, and go south >>> from there to 36, and over to Snelling. If traffic is the same I would >>> think the travel time from St. Cloud would be the same to Roseville >>> and SLP. >>> >>> -Erik >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Robert Nesius >>> wrote: >>> > Something in St. Louis Park I'd considering trucking it in from the St. >>> > Cloud area.? Getting over to Eagan looks tricky - last time I tried to >>> get >>> > over to the airport across the south metro during rush hour there was >>> no >>> > path that wasn't completely stacked up.? Took me 45 minutes to get >>> across >>> > Edina and Bloomington. >>> > >>> > -Rob >>> > >>> > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:41 AM, J.A. Simmons V >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> I know of a security group in the area that does a rotating meeting to >>> >> solve this problem. One month in Minneapolis, one month in St. Paul. >>> >> Simmons >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer >>> erik.mitchell at gmail.com >>> erik at ekmitchell.com >>> http://ekmitchell.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 6 >>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 06:11:30 -0600 >>> From: Tony Yarusso >>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. >>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Dan Smith >>> wrote: >>> > System Specs are as follows: >>> > Dual P3 (1ghz) Processors >>> >>> Running a virtualization system on a processor without the >>> virtualization instruction set extensions will either be impossible or >>> just woefully inadequate, depending on the type. I'm not sure which >>> type VMware ESX is, but either way I wouldn't expect this to work >>> *well*, if at all. >>> >>> - Tony >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 7 >>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:32:57 -0600 >>> From: "Patrick \"Finn\" Robins" <13.finn at gmail.com> >>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. >>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> > >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>> >>> I have to second that. Virtualization on a CPU without the VT extensions >>> is >>> a big performance hit. >>> >>> >>> -Patrick "Finn" Robins >>> >>> -- >>> Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter >>> and those who matter don't mind. >>> - Dr. Seuss >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/20c3a43b/attachment-0001.htm >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 8 >>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:09:30 -0600 >>> From: Chris Niesen >>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. >>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>> Message-ID: >>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> ESXi requires a 64 bit processor. Don't waste your time. >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Dan Smith >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Tclug, >>> > >>> > I know this isn't the vmware communities (VMUG) but, I thought I'd >>> start >>> > here before having to make another user account in another system >>> > somewhere... >>> > >>> > I have a HP Proliant DL360 (G1) it's about 10 years old and I'm looking >>> to >>> > find out if I can install VMware Hypervisor (ESXi) 3.5i on it. >>> > >>> > System Specs are as follows: >>> > Dual P3 (1ghz) Processors >>> > Dual 72.8gb Ultra320 SCSI drives. >>> > 4gb's of ram >>> > Looks like it's using the integrated Smart Array Controller. >>> > >>> > This is the faster of my two servers. I also have a HP Netserver >>> LP2000R >>> > running VMware ESXi 3.5i, but would like a little faster server until >>> I'm >>> > able to afford a few Dell PowerEdge 1850's or 2850's to run Hypervisor >>> 4 or >>> > have a enviroment to work with hyper-v. >>> > >>> > If anyone has experience with this server model installing a VMware ESX >>> or >>> > ESXi product, please let me know. >>> > >>> > Thanks! >>> > >>> > - >>> > Dan >>> > Email: dan.smith225 at gmail.com >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> > >>> > >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/4c0ea402/attachment.htm >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 73, Issue 40 >>> ****************************************** >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/ba771b09/attachment-0001.htm From samael.anon at gmail.com Fri Jan 21 13:24:32 2011 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:24:32 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 73, Issue 40 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: oh shoot, another unhappy customer... On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Dan Smith wrote: > In regards to the VMware discussion thread that I started yesterday. I now > regret it. Honestly it sounds like nobody on this list actually value's > older software. VMware ESXi 3.5i is 32bit software that does not require > virtualization on a CPU with the VT extensions. Yes it would help in a > virtual environment, but is not required. And, FYI, there are two versions > of VMware ESXi 3.5 (32bit) and Vmware ESXi 4 (64bit only). > > Thanks, > > -Dan > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:10 AM, wrote: > >> Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Meeting (Robert Nesius) >> 2. Re: Meeting (Ryan Coleman) >> 3. Re: Meeting (Mike Miller) >> 4. Re: Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. (Elvedin Trnjanin) >> 5. Re: Meeting (Erik Mitchell) >> 6. Re: Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. (Tony Yarusso) >> 7. Re: Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. >> (Patrick "Finn" Robins) >> 8. Re: Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. (Chris Niesen) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:09:27 -0600 >> From: Robert Nesius >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Meeting >> To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Something in St. Louis Park I'd considering trucking it in from the St. >> Cloud area. Getting over to Eagan looks tricky - last time I tried to get >> over to the airport across the south metro during rush hour there was no >> path that wasn't completely stacked up. Took me 45 minutes to get across >> Edina and Bloomington. >> >> -Rob >> >> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:41 AM, J.A. Simmons V > >wrote: >> >> > I know of a security group in the area that does a rotating meeting to >> > solve this problem. One month in Minneapolis, one month in St. Paul. >> > >> > Simmons >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110120/7a613433/attachment-0001.htm >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 00:33:42 -0600 >> From: Ryan Coleman >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Meeting >> To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Message-ID: <93A87D2B-ED53-42ED-9B61-95AEE9E133B5 at me.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Robert, >> >> You should consider 55 through Minneapolis and grabbing 110 or Pilot Knob. >> Usually a much smoother ride, albeit one with 10 stoplights. >> >> -- >> Ryan >> >> On Jan 20, 2011, at 10:09 PM, Robert Nesius wrote: >> >> > Something in St. Louis Park I'd considering trucking it in from the St. >> Cloud area. Getting over to Eagan looks tricky - last time I tried to get >> over to the airport across the south metro during rush hour there was no >> path that wasn't completely stacked up. Took me 45 minutes to get across >> Edina and Bloomington. >> > >> > -Rob >> > >> > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:41 AM, J.A. Simmons V >> wrote: >> > I know of a security group in the area that does a rotating meeting to >> solve this problem. One month in Minneapolis, one month in St. Paul. >> > >> > Simmons >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/1a9ba17f/attachment-0001.htm >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 01:03:26 -0600 (CST) >> From: Mike Miller > >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Meeting >> To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >> >> On Fri, 21 Jan 2011, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> >> > You should consider 55 through Minneapolis and grabbing 110 or Pilot >> > Knob. Usually a much smoother ride, albeit one with 10 stoplights. >> >> >> Sometimes it's even better to get on the river road. Take the West river >> road down to Franklin or Lake or Ford and cross over to the East. From >> there you can get on Rt. 5. You might only to 25 mph, but you won't hit >> any lights. I've used it to get from the U to the airport at rush hour >> and it works great. >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 01:08:59 -0600 >> From: Elvedin Trnjanin >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. >> To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Cc: Dan Smith >> Message-ID: <4D39310B.1000801 at umn.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> On 1/20/2011 11:31 PM, Dan Smith wrote: >> > Tclug, >> > >> > I know this isn't the vmware communities (VMUG) but, I thought I'd >> > start here before having to make another user account in another >> > system somewhere... >> > >> > I have a HP Proliant DL360 (G1) it's about 10 years old and I'm >> > looking to find out if I can install VMware Hypervisor (ESXi) 3.5i on >> it. >> ESXi supports less hardware than ESX. If you don't have licenses to >> spare, this means you're a bit out of luck and have to go with the free >> version which is only limited to ESXi. >> > >> > System Specs are as follows: >> > Dual P3 (1ghz) Processors >> > Dual 72.8gb Ultra320 SCSI drives. >> > 4gb's of ram >> > Looks like it's using the integrated Smart Array Controller. >> Generally the storage controller is most likely device not to be supported >> > >> > This is the faster of my two servers. I also have a HP Netserver >> > LP2000R running VMware ESXi 3.5i, but would like a little faster >> > server until I'm able to afford a few Dell PowerEdge 1850's or 2850's >> > to run Hypervisor 4 or have a enviroment to work with hyper-v. >> You may be able to save some money by going with tower servers instead >> of rack mounted ones. Dell typically has great deals on them. >> > >> > If anyone has experience with this server model installing a VMware >> > ESX or ESXi product, please let me know. >> No experience with this server model, but you might want to look into >> ESX\ESXi version 2 although you may not be able to get licenses for it. >> Another option is the hosted VMware Server which runs in Windows or >> Linux as it will more likely support your hardware. >> > >> > Thanks! >> > >> > - >> > Dan >> > Email: dan.smith225 at gmail.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/cad78f9e/attachment-0001.htm >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 05:55:05 -0600 >> From: Erik Mitchell >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Meeting >> To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> Robert, >> The Roseville location might not be any worse, although I can't speak >> to traffic. You'd just stay on 694 until you hit 35W, and go south >> from there to 36, and over to Snelling. If traffic is the same I would >> think the travel time from St. Cloud would be the same to Roseville >> and SLP. >> >> -Erik >> >> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Robert Nesius wrote: >> > Something in St. Louis Park I'd considering trucking it in from the St. >> > Cloud area.? Getting over to Eagan looks tricky - last time I tried to >> get >> > over to the airport across the south metro during rush hour there was no >> > path that wasn't completely stacked up.? Took me 45 minutes to get >> across >> > Edina and Bloomington. >> > >> > -Rob >> > >> > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:41 AM, J.A. Simmons V >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> I know of a security group in the area that does a rotating meeting to >> >> solve this problem. One month in Minneapolis, one month in St. Paul. >> >> Simmons >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer >> erik.mitchell at gmail.com >> erik at ekmitchell.com >> http://ekmitchell.com/ >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 06:11:30 -0600 >> From: Tony Yarusso >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. >> To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Dan Smith >> wrote: >> > System Specs are as follows: >> > Dual P3 (1ghz) Processors >> >> Running a virtualization system on a processor without the >> virtualization instruction set extensions will either be impossible or >> just woefully inadequate, depending on the type. I'm not sure which >> type VMware ESX is, but either way I wouldn't expect this to work >> *well*, if at all. >> >> - Tony >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:32:57 -0600 >> From: "Patrick \"Finn\" Robins" <13.finn at gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. >> To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Message-ID: >> >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> I have to second that. Virtualization on a CPU without the VT extensions >> is >> a big performance hit. >> >> >> -Patrick "Finn" Robins >> >> -- >> Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter >> and those who matter don't mind. >> - Dr. Seuss >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/20c3a43b/attachment-0001.htm >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 8 >> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:09:30 -0600 >> From: Chris Niesen >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. >> To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> ESXi requires a 64 bit processor. Don't waste your time. >> >> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Dan Smith >> wrote: >> >> > Tclug, >> > >> > I know this isn't the vmware communities (VMUG) but, I thought I'd start >> > here before having to make another user account in another system >> > somewhere... >> > >> > I have a HP Proliant DL360 (G1) it's about 10 years old and I'm looking >> to >> > find out if I can install VMware Hypervisor (ESXi) 3.5i on it. >> > >> > System Specs are as follows: >> > Dual P3 (1ghz) Processors >> > Dual 72.8gb Ultra320 SCSI drives. >> > 4gb's of ram >> > Looks like it's using the integrated Smart Array Controller. >> > >> > This is the faster of my two servers. I also have a HP Netserver >> LP2000R >> > running VMware ESXi 3.5i, but would like a little faster server until >> I'm >> > able to afford a few Dell PowerEdge 1850's or 2850's to run Hypervisor 4 >> or >> > have a enviroment to work with hyper-v. >> > >> > If anyone has experience with this server model installing a VMware ESX >> or >> > ESXi product, please let me know. >> > >> > Thanks! >> > >> > - >> > Dan >> > Email: dan.smith225 at gmail.com >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/4c0ea402/attachment.htm >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 73, Issue 40 >> ****************************************** >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/96673210/attachment-0001.htm From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Fri Jan 21 13:30:25 2011 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:30:25 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 73, Issue 40 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You speled "strictly" wrong! Ha! On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Samael wrote: > i am srictly on this list to provide comic relief. > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Samael wrote: >> >> oh shoot, another unhappy customer... >> >> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Dan Smith >> wrote: >>> >>> In regards to the VMware discussion thread that I started yesterday. I >>> now regret it.? Honestly it sounds like nobody on this list actually value's >>> older software.? VMware ESXi 3.5i is 32bit software that does not require >>> virtualization on a CPU with the VT extensions. Yes it would help in a >>> virtual environment, but is not required. And, FYI, there are two versions >>> of VMware ESXi 3.5 (32bit) and Vmware ESXi 4 (64bit only). >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> -Dan >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:10 AM, wrote: >>>> >>>> Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to >>>> ? ? ? ?tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> ? ? ? ?http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> ? ? ? ?tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> ? ? ? ?tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> ? 1. Re: Meeting (Robert Nesius) >>>> ? 2. Re: Meeting (Ryan Coleman) >>>> ? 3. Re: Meeting (Mike Miller) >>>> ? 4. Re: Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. (Elvedin Trnjanin) >>>> ? 5. Re: Meeting (Erik Mitchell) >>>> ? 6. Re: Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. (Tony Yarusso) >>>> ? 7. Re: Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. >>>> ? ? ?(Patrick "Finn" Robins) >>>> ? 8. Re: Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. (Chris Niesen) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:09:27 -0600 >>>> From: Robert Nesius >>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Meeting >>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>>> Message-ID: >>>> ? ? ? ? >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> >>>> Something in St. Louis Park I'd considering trucking it in from the St. >>>> Cloud area. ?Getting over to Eagan looks tricky - last time I tried to >>>> get >>>> over to the airport across the south metro during rush hour there was no >>>> path that wasn't completely stacked up. ?Took me 45 minutes to get >>>> across >>>> Edina and Bloomington. >>>> >>>> -Rob >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:41 AM, J.A. Simmons V >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > I know of a security group in the area that does a rotating meeting to >>>> > solve this problem. One month in Minneapolis, one month in St. Paul. >>>> > >>>> > Simmons >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> URL: >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110120/7a613433/attachment-0001.htm >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 2 >>>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 00:33:42 -0600 >>>> From: Ryan Coleman >>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Meeting >>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>>> Message-ID: <93A87D2B-ED53-42ED-9B61-95AEE9E133B5 at me.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>> >>>> Robert, >>>> >>>> You should consider 55 through Minneapolis and grabbing 110 or Pilot >>>> Knob. Usually a much smoother ride, albeit one with 10 stoplights. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ryan >>>> >>>> On Jan 20, 2011, at 10:09 PM, Robert Nesius wrote: >>>> >>>> > Something in St. Louis Park I'd considering trucking it in from the >>>> > St. Cloud area. ?Getting over to Eagan looks tricky - last time I tried to >>>> > get over to the airport across the south metro during rush hour there was no >>>> > path that wasn't completely stacked up. ?Took me 45 minutes to get across >>>> > Edina and Bloomington. >>>> > >>>> > -Rob >>>> > >>>> > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:41 AM, J.A. Simmons V >>>> > wrote: >>>> > I know of a security group in the area that does a rotating meeting to >>>> > solve this problem. One month in Minneapolis, one month in St. Paul. >>>> > >>>> > Simmons >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> URL: >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/1a9ba17f/attachment-0001.htm >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 3 >>>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 01:03:26 -0600 (CST) >>>> From: Mike Miller >>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Meeting >>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>>> Message-ID: >>>> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >>>> >>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2011, Ryan Coleman wrote: >>>> >>>> > You should consider 55 through Minneapolis and grabbing 110 or Pilot >>>> > Knob. Usually a much smoother ride, albeit one with 10 stoplights. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sometimes it's even better to get on the river road. ?Take the West >>>> river >>>> road down to Franklin or Lake or Ford and cross over to the East. ?From >>>> there you can get on Rt. 5. ?You might only to 25 mph, but you won't hit >>>> any lights. ?I've used it to get from the U to the airport at rush hour >>>> and it works great. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 4 >>>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 01:08:59 -0600 >>>> From: Elvedin Trnjanin >>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. >>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>>> Cc: Dan Smith >>>> Message-ID: <4D39310B.1000801 at umn.edu> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>> >>>> On 1/20/2011 11:31 PM, Dan Smith wrote: >>>> > Tclug, >>>> > >>>> > I know this isn't the vmware communities (VMUG) but, I thought I'd >>>> > start here before having to make another user account in another >>>> > system somewhere... >>>> > >>>> > I have a HP Proliant DL360 (G1) it's about 10 years old and I'm >>>> > looking to find out if I can install VMware Hypervisor (ESXi) 3.5i on >>>> > it. >>>> ESXi supports less hardware than ESX. If you don't have licenses to >>>> spare, this means you're a bit out of luck and have to go with the free >>>> version which is only limited to ESXi. >>>> > >>>> > System Specs are as follows: >>>> > Dual P3 (1ghz) Processors >>>> > Dual 72.8gb Ultra320 SCSI drives. >>>> > 4gb's of ram >>>> > Looks like it's using the integrated Smart Array Controller. >>>> Generally the storage controller is most likely device not to be >>>> supported >>>> > >>>> > This is the faster of my two servers. ?I also have a HP Netserver >>>> > LP2000R running VMware ESXi 3.5i, but would like a little faster >>>> > server until I'm able to afford a few Dell PowerEdge 1850's or 2850's >>>> > to run Hypervisor 4 or have a enviroment to work with hyper-v. >>>> You may be able to save some money by going with tower servers instead >>>> of rack mounted ones. Dell typically has great deals on them. >>>> > >>>> > If anyone has experience with this server model installing a VMware >>>> > ESX or ESXi product, please let me know. >>>> No experience with this server model, but you might want to look into >>>> ESX\ESXi version 2 although you may not be able to get licenses for it. >>>> Another option is the hosted VMware Server which runs in Windows or >>>> Linux as it will more likely support your hardware. >>>> > >>>> > Thanks! >>>> > >>>> > - >>>> > Dan >>>> > Email: dan.smith225 at gmail.com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> URL: >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/cad78f9e/attachment-0001.htm >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 5 >>>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 05:55:05 -0600 >>>> From: Erik Mitchell >>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Meeting >>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>>> Message-ID: >>>> ? ? ? ? >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>>> >>>> Robert, >>>> The Roseville location might not be any worse, although I can't speak >>>> to traffic. You'd just stay on 694 until you hit 35W, and go south >>>> from there to 36, and over to Snelling. If traffic is the same I would >>>> think the travel time from St. Cloud would be the same to Roseville >>>> and SLP. >>>> >>>> -Erik >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Robert Nesius >>>> wrote: >>>> > Something in St. Louis Park I'd considering trucking it in from the >>>> > St. >>>> > Cloud area.? Getting over to Eagan looks tricky - last time I tried to >>>> > get >>>> > over to the airport across the south metro during rush hour there was >>>> > no >>>> > path that wasn't completely stacked up.? Took me 45 minutes to get >>>> > across >>>> > Edina and Bloomington. >>>> > >>>> > -Rob >>>> > >>>> > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:41 AM, J.A. Simmons V >>>> > wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> I know of a security group in the area that does a rotating meeting >>>> >> to >>>> >> solve this problem. One month in Minneapolis, one month in St. Paul. >>>> >> Simmons >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer >>>> erik.mitchell at gmail.com >>>> erik at ekmitchell.com >>>> http://ekmitchell.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 6 >>>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 06:11:30 -0600 >>>> From: Tony Yarusso >>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. >>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>>> Message-ID: >>>> ? ? ? ? >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Dan Smith >>>> wrote: >>>> > System Specs are as follows: >>>> > Dual P3 (1ghz) Processors >>>> >>>> Running a virtualization system on a processor without the >>>> virtualization instruction set extensions will either be impossible or >>>> just woefully inadequate, depending on the type. ?I'm not sure which >>>> type VMware ESX is, but either way I wouldn't expect this to work >>>> *well*, if at all. >>>> >>>> ?- Tony >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 7 >>>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:32:57 -0600 >>>> From: "Patrick \"Finn\" Robins" <13.finn at gmail.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. >>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>>> Message-ID: >>>> ? ? ? ? >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >>>> >>>> I have to second that. Virtualization on a CPU without the VT extensions >>>> is >>>> a big performance hit. >>>> >>>> >>>> -Patrick "Finn" Robins >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't >>>> matter >>>> and those who matter don't mind. >>>> ?- Dr. Seuss >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> URL: >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/20c3a43b/attachment-0001.htm >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 8 >>>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:09:30 -0600 >>>> From: Chris Niesen >>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. >>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>>> Message-ID: >>>> ? ? ? ? >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>> >>>> ESXi requires a 64 bit processor. ?Don't waste your time. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Dan Smith >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Tclug, >>>> > >>>> > I know this isn't the vmware communities (VMUG) but, I thought I'd >>>> > start >>>> > here before having to make another user account in another system >>>> > somewhere... >>>> > >>>> > I have a HP Proliant DL360 (G1) it's about 10 years old and I'm >>>> > looking to >>>> > find out if I can install VMware Hypervisor (ESXi) 3.5i on it. >>>> > >>>> > System Specs are as follows: >>>> > Dual P3 (1ghz) Processors >>>> > Dual 72.8gb Ultra320 SCSI drives. >>>> > 4gb's of ram >>>> > Looks like it's using the integrated Smart Array Controller. >>>> > >>>> > This is the faster of my two servers. ?I also have a HP Netserver >>>> > LP2000R >>>> > running VMware ESXi 3.5i, but would like a little faster server until >>>> > I'm >>>> > able to afford a few Dell PowerEdge 1850's or 2850's to run Hypervisor >>>> > 4 or >>>> > have a enviroment to work with hyper-v. >>>> > >>>> > If anyone has experience with this server model installing a VMware >>>> > ESX or >>>> > ESXi product, please let me know. >>>> > >>>> > Thanks! >>>> > >>>> > - >>>> > Dan >>>> > Email: dan.smith225 at gmail.com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>> URL: >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/4c0ea402/attachment.htm >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 73, Issue 40 >>>> ****************************************** >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer erik.mitchell at gmail.com erik at ekmitchell.com http://ekmitchell.com/ From samael.anon at gmail.com Fri Jan 21 13:35:05 2011 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:35:05 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 73, Issue 40 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: i did that on purpose; see it made you laugh.. aaaaay. On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > You speled "strictly" wrong! Ha! > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Samael wrote: > > i am srictly on this list to provide comic relief. > > > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Samael wrote: > >> > >> oh shoot, another unhappy customer... > >> > >> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Dan Smith > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> In regards to the VMware discussion thread that I started yesterday. I > >>> now regret it. Honestly it sounds like nobody on this list actually > value's > >>> older software. VMware ESXi 3.5i is 32bit software that does not > require > >>> virtualization on a CPU with the VT extensions. Yes it would help in a > >>> virtual environment, but is not required. And, FYI, there are two > versions > >>> of VMware ESXi 3.5 (32bit) and Vmware ESXi 4 (64bit only). > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> -Dan > >>> > >>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 9:10 AM, > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>>> > >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >>>> tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > >>>> > >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at > >>>> tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org > >>>> > >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >>>> than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Today's Topics: > >>>> > >>>> 1. Re: Meeting (Robert Nesius) > >>>> 2. Re: Meeting (Ryan Coleman) > >>>> 3. Re: Meeting (Mike Miller) > >>>> 4. Re: Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. (Elvedin Trnjanin) > >>>> 5. Re: Meeting (Erik Mitchell) > >>>> 6. Re: Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. (Tony Yarusso) > >>>> 7. Re: Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. > >>>> (Patrick "Finn" Robins) > >>>> 8. Re: Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. (Chris Niesen) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> > >>>> Message: 1 > >>>> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:09:27 -0600 > >>>> From: Robert Nesius > >>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Meeting > >>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List > >>>> Message-ID: > >>>> > >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >>>> > >>>> Something in St. Louis Park I'd considering trucking it in from the > St. > >>>> Cloud area. Getting over to Eagan looks tricky - last time I tried to > >>>> get > >>>> over to the airport across the south metro during rush hour there was > no > >>>> path that wasn't completely stacked up. Took me 45 minutes to get > >>>> across > >>>> Edina and Bloomington. > >>>> > >>>> -Rob > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:41 AM, J.A. Simmons V > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > I know of a security group in the area that does a rotating meeting > to > >>>> > solve this problem. One month in Minneapolis, one month in St. Paul. > >>>> > > >>>> > Simmons > >>>> > > >>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >>>> URL: > >>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110120/7a613433/attachment-0001.htm > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------ > >>>> > >>>> Message: 2 > >>>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 00:33:42 -0600 > >>>> From: Ryan Coleman > >>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Meeting > >>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List > >>>> Message-ID: <93A87D2B-ED53-42ED-9B61-95AEE9E133B5 at me.com> > >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >>>> > >>>> Robert, > >>>> > >>>> You should consider 55 through Minneapolis and grabbing 110 or Pilot > >>>> Knob. Usually a much smoother ride, albeit one with 10 stoplights. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Ryan > >>>> > >>>> On Jan 20, 2011, at 10:09 PM, Robert Nesius wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > Something in St. Louis Park I'd considering trucking it in from the > >>>> > St. Cloud area. Getting over to Eagan looks tricky - last time I > tried to > >>>> > get over to the airport across the south metro during rush hour > there was no > >>>> > path that wasn't completely stacked up. Took me 45 minutes to get > across > >>>> > Edina and Bloomington. > >>>> > > >>>> > -Rob > >>>> > > >>>> > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:41 AM, J.A. Simmons V < > simmonsj at redkeep.com> > >>>> > wrote: > >>>> > I know of a security group in the area that does a rotating meeting > to > >>>> > solve this problem. One month in Minneapolis, one month in St. Paul. > >>>> > > >>>> > Simmons > >>>> > > >>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >>>> > >>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >>>> URL: > >>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/1a9ba17f/attachment-0001.htm > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------ > >>>> > >>>> Message: 3 > >>>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 01:03:26 -0600 (CST) > >>>> From: Mike Miller > > >>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Meeting > >>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List > >>>> Message-ID: > >>>> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2011, Ryan Coleman wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > You should consider 55 through Minneapolis and grabbing 110 or Pilot > >>>> > Knob. Usually a much smoother ride, albeit one with 10 stoplights. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Sometimes it's even better to get on the river road. Take the West > >>>> river > >>>> road down to Franklin or Lake or Ford and cross over to the East. > From > >>>> there you can get on Rt. 5. You might only to 25 mph, but you won't > hit > >>>> any lights. I've used it to get from the U to the airport at rush > hour > >>>> and it works great. > >>>> > >>>> Mike > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------ > >>>> > >>>> Message: 4 > >>>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 01:08:59 -0600 > >>>> From: Elvedin Trnjanin > >>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. > >>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List > >>>> Cc: Dan Smith > >>>> Message-ID: <4D39310B.1000801 at umn.edu> > >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >>>> > >>>> On 1/20/2011 11:31 PM, Dan Smith wrote: > >>>> > Tclug, > >>>> > > >>>> > I know this isn't the vmware communities (VMUG) but, I thought I'd > >>>> > start here before having to make another user account in another > >>>> > system somewhere... > >>>> > > >>>> > I have a HP Proliant DL360 (G1) it's about 10 years old and I'm > >>>> > looking to find out if I can install VMware Hypervisor (ESXi) 3.5i > on > >>>> > it. > >>>> ESXi supports less hardware than ESX. If you don't have licenses to > >>>> spare, this means you're a bit out of luck and have to go with the > free > >>>> version which is only limited to ESXi. > >>>> > > >>>> > System Specs are as follows: > >>>> > Dual P3 (1ghz) Processors > >>>> > Dual 72.8gb Ultra320 SCSI drives. > >>>> > 4gb's of ram > >>>> > Looks like it's using the integrated Smart Array Controller. > >>>> Generally the storage controller is most likely device not to be > >>>> supported > >>>> > > >>>> > This is the faster of my two servers. I also have a HP Netserver > >>>> > LP2000R running VMware ESXi 3.5i, but would like a little faster > >>>> > server until I'm able to afford a few Dell PowerEdge 1850's or > 2850's > >>>> > to run Hypervisor 4 or have a enviroment to work with hyper-v. > >>>> You may be able to save some money by going with tower servers instead > >>>> of rack mounted ones. Dell typically has great deals on them. > >>>> > > >>>> > If anyone has experience with this server model installing a VMware > >>>> > ESX or ESXi product, please let me know. > >>>> No experience with this server model, but you might want to look into > >>>> ESX\ESXi version 2 although you may not be able to get licenses for > it. > >>>> Another option is the hosted VMware Server which runs in Windows or > >>>> Linux as it will more likely support your hardware. > >>>> > > >>>> > Thanks! > >>>> > > >>>> > - > >>>> > Dan > >>>> > Email: dan.smith225 at gmail.com > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >>>> > >>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >>>> URL: > >>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/cad78f9e/attachment-0001.htm > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------ > >>>> > >>>> Message: 5 > >>>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 05:55:05 -0600 > >>>> From: Erik Mitchell > >>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Meeting > >>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List > >>>> Message-ID: > >>>> > >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >>>> > >>>> Robert, > >>>> The Roseville location might not be any worse, although I can't speak > >>>> to traffic. You'd just stay on 694 until you hit 35W, and go south > >>>> from there to 36, and over to Snelling. If traffic is the same I would > >>>> think the travel time from St. Cloud would be the same to Roseville > >>>> and SLP. > >>>> > >>>> -Erik > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Robert Nesius > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > Something in St. Louis Park I'd considering trucking it in from the > >>>> > St. > >>>> > Cloud area.? Getting over to Eagan looks tricky - last time I tried > to > >>>> > get > >>>> > over to the airport across the south metro during rush hour there > was > >>>> > no > >>>> > path that wasn't completely stacked up.? Took me 45 minutes to get > >>>> > across > >>>> > Edina and Bloomington. > >>>> > > >>>> > -Rob > >>>> > > >>>> > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:41 AM, J.A. Simmons V < > simmonsj at redkeep.com> > >>>> > wrote: > >>>> >> > >>>> >> I know of a security group in the area that does a rotating meeting > >>>> >> to > >>>> >> solve this problem. One month in Minneapolis, one month in St. > Paul. > >>>> >> Simmons > >>>> >> > >>>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>>> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>>> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>>> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >>>> >> > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer > >>>> erik.mitchell at gmail.com > >>>> erik at ekmitchell.com > >>>> http://ekmitchell.com/ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------ > >>>> > >>>> Message: 6 > >>>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 06:11:30 -0600 > >>>> From: Tony Yarusso > >>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. > >>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List > >>>> Message-ID: > >>>> > >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Dan Smith > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > System Specs are as follows: > >>>> > Dual P3 (1ghz) Processors > >>>> > >>>> Running a virtualization system on a processor without the > >>>> virtualization instruction set extensions will either be impossible or > >>>> just woefully inadequate, depending on the type. I'm not sure which > >>>> type VMware ESX is, but either way I wouldn't expect this to work > >>>> *well*, if at all. > >>>> > >>>> - Tony > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------ > >>>> > >>>> Message: 7 > >>>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:32:57 -0600 > >>>> From: "Patrick \"Finn\" Robins" <13.finn at gmail.com> > >>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. > >>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List > >>>> Message-ID: > >>>> > > > >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >>>> > >>>> I have to second that. Virtualization on a CPU without the VT > extensions > >>>> is > >>>> a big performance hit. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -Patrick "Finn" Robins > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't > >>>> matter > >>>> and those who matter don't mind. > >>>> - Dr. Seuss > >>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >>>> URL: > >>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/20c3a43b/attachment-0001.htm > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------ > >>>> > >>>> Message: 8 > >>>> Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 09:09:30 -0600 > >>>> From: Chris Niesen > >>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Looking for assistance with VMware ESXi. > >>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List > >>>> Message-ID: > >>>> > >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >>>> > >>>> ESXi requires a 64 bit processor. Don't waste your time. > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Dan Smith > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > Tclug, > >>>> > > >>>> > I know this isn't the vmware communities (VMUG) but, I thought I'd > >>>> > start > >>>> > here before having to make another user account in another system > >>>> > somewhere... > >>>> > > >>>> > I have a HP Proliant DL360 (G1) it's about 10 years old and I'm > >>>> > looking to > >>>> > find out if I can install VMware Hypervisor (ESXi) 3.5i on it. > >>>> > > >>>> > System Specs are as follows: > >>>> > Dual P3 (1ghz) Processors > >>>> > Dual 72.8gb Ultra320 SCSI drives. > >>>> > 4gb's of ram > >>>> > Looks like it's using the integrated Smart Array Controller. > >>>> > > >>>> > This is the faster of my two servers. I also have a HP Netserver > >>>> > LP2000R > >>>> > running VMware ESXi 3.5i, but would like a little faster server > until > >>>> > I'm > >>>> > able to afford a few Dell PowerEdge 1850's or 2850's to run > Hypervisor > >>>> > 4 or > >>>> > have a enviroment to work with hyper-v. > >>>> > > >>>> > If anyone has experience with this server model installing a VMware > >>>> > ESX or > >>>> > ESXi product, please let me know. > >>>> > > >>>> > Thanks! > >>>> > > >>>> > - > >>>> > Dan > >>>> > Email: dan.smith225 at gmail.com > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >>>> URL: > >>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/4c0ea402/attachment.htm > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------ > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >>>> > >>>> End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 73, Issue 40 > >>>> ****************************************** > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >>> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell -- Web Developer > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > erik at ekmitchell.com > http://ekmitchell.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/56953050/attachment-0001.htm From josh at tcbug.org Fri Jan 21 13:47:15 2011 From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:47:15 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] RocketRaid configuration In-Reply-To: <4D3854EA.5090801@lctn.org> References: <4D3854EA.5090801@lctn.org> Message-ID: <201101211347.21477.josh@tcbug.org> On Thursday, January 20, 2011 09:29:46 am Raymond Norton wrote: > I'm working with a RocketRaid 222x sata controller on a freenas box > (Raid 5). I had a failed drive, which I have since replaced and > configured as a spare. In the raid bios it shows the raid is disabled. > Actually it says "disable" for status. I am expecting the raid to > rebuild, but it doesn't and I do see any way in the bios to alter the > disable status. A mount command verifies the raid did not fire up. > > Any ideas how to resolve this, outside of creating a new raid? > Sounds like your configuration is the RAID function of the rocketraid is disabled and it's exporting the disks as individual devices to the OS. Is the OS seeing a bunch of disks, like /dev/da0 dev/da1, /dev/da2, /dev/da3, which it's then using as components to a software raid5? In that case you need to reconfigure your new drive to be exported as a single unit, then tell geom_raid5 in freenas to forget about the old failed drive and add in the new drive. At which point it will start rebuilding. At any rate, feel free to contact me directly, I have fairly intimate knowledge of FreeNAS, and FreeBSD in general. The output of mount would be helpful, as well as ls /dev/da* and graid5 status -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 488 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/87752ae5/attachment.pgp From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com Fri Jan 21 14:07:44 2011 From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:07:44 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Information systems management VS computer science. Message-ID: What do you think are the pros and cone of each. Personal opinion please. This would be a degree with a programming focus. If a flame war erupt thats fine but lets not get "religulous" :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/a9bf8521/attachment.htm From cwgriesel at gmail.com Fri Jan 21 14:36:25 2011 From: cwgriesel at gmail.com (Curtis Griesel) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:36:25 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Information systems management VS computer science. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The difference is pretty straight-forward. Computer Science = Theory IS Management = Practice Of course the two overlap. If you study Computer Science, you learn computer and programming theory, then are asked to specialize in your later years. Many CS majors specialize in IS Management, so they get the practical side as well. If you study IS Management, you learn business theory, then learn enough computer theory to learn how to manage computers or apply computers to business needs. You say you want to focus on programming. Do you want to learn the theory of programming, and how new programming techniques and languages are developing in the future? Then study Computer Science. A CSci major will probably be learning Python, C, C++, and maybe a little java, as well as some interesting but less practical languages like LISP and Prolog. Do you want to learn programming techniques as they are applied in real-world business needs? Then study IS Management. An IS Management major will probably focus a lot on Java or C# and how they will be used in a management setting. Also, if you love Microsoft, go with IS Management. If you love unix, go with CS. You can dabble in both in either field, but you will be more comfortable with Microsoft in a business environment and unix in a theoretical / academic environment. On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:07 PM, r j wrote: > What do you think are the pros and cone of each. > Personal opinion please. > > This would be a degree with a programming focus. > If a flame war erupt thats fine but lets not get "religulous" > :) > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/745ebe36/attachment.htm From cwgriesel at gmail.com Fri Jan 21 14:36:25 2011 From: cwgriesel at gmail.com (Curtis Griesel) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:36:25 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Information systems management VS computer science. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The difference is pretty straight-forward. Computer Science = Theory IS Management = Practice Of course the two overlap. If you study Computer Science, you learn computer and programming theory, then are asked to specialize in your later years. Many CS majors specialize in IS Management, so they get the practical side as well. If you study IS Management, you learn business theory, then learn enough computer theory to learn how to manage computers or apply computers to business needs. You say you want to focus on programming. Do you want to learn the theory of programming, and how new programming techniques and languages are developing in the future? Then study Computer Science. A CSci major will probably be learning Python, C, C++, and maybe a little java, as well as some interesting but less practical languages like LISP and Prolog. Do you want to learn programming techniques as they are applied in real-world business needs? Then study IS Management. An IS Management major will probably focus a lot on Java or C# and how they will be used in a management setting. Also, if you love Microsoft, go with IS Management. If you love unix, go with CS. You can dabble in both in either field, but you will be more comfortable with Microsoft in a business environment and unix in a theoretical / academic environment. On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:07 PM, r j wrote: > What do you think are the pros and cone of each. > Personal opinion please. > > This would be a degree with a programming focus. > If a flame war erupt thats fine but lets not get "religulous" > :) > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/745ebe36/attachment-0001.htm From cwgriesel at gmail.com Fri Jan 21 14:36:25 2011 From: cwgriesel at gmail.com (Curtis Griesel) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:36:25 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Information systems management VS computer science. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The difference is pretty straight-forward. Computer Science = Theory IS Management = Practice Of course the two overlap. If you study Computer Science, you learn computer and programming theory, then are asked to specialize in your later years. Many CS majors specialize in IS Management, so they get the practical side as well. If you study IS Management, you learn business theory, then learn enough computer theory to learn how to manage computers or apply computers to business needs. You say you want to focus on programming. Do you want to learn the theory of programming, and how new programming techniques and languages are developing in the future? Then study Computer Science. A CSci major will probably be learning Python, C, C++, and maybe a little java, as well as some interesting but less practical languages like LISP and Prolog. Do you want to learn programming techniques as they are applied in real-world business needs? Then study IS Management. An IS Management major will probably focus a lot on Java or C# and how they will be used in a management setting. Also, if you love Microsoft, go with IS Management. If you love unix, go with CS. You can dabble in both in either field, but you will be more comfortable with Microsoft in a business environment and unix in a theoretical / academic environment. On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:07 PM, r j wrote: > What do you think are the pros and cone of each. > Personal opinion please. > > This would be a degree with a programming focus. > If a flame war erupt thats fine but lets not get "religulous" > :) > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/745ebe36/attachment-0002.htm From florin at iucha.net Fri Jan 21 14:40:34 2011 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:40:34 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Information systems management VS computer science. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110121204033.GA2316@styx.iucha.org> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 02:07:44PM -0600, r j wrote: > What do you think are the pros and cone of each. > Personal opinion please. It depends on your abilities and personality. One is about solving people and business problems, the other one about abstract "pen and paper" problems. > This would be a degree with a programming focus. None of them has anything to do with programming. That would be 'software engineering'. > If a flame war erupt thats fine but lets not get "religulous" Heh. Cheers, florin (Advanced degree in CS, working as an SE) -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/56d071a0/attachment.pgp From florin at iucha.net Fri Jan 21 14:50:07 2011 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:50:07 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Information systems management VS computer science. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110121205007.GB2316@styx.iucha.org> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 02:36:25PM -0600, Curtis Griesel wrote: > Do you want to learn the theory of programming, and how new programming > techniques and languages are developing in the future? Then study Computer > Science. A CSci major will probably be learning Python, C, C++, and maybe a > little java, as well as some interesting but less practical languages like > LISP and Prolog. A CSci major should be learning discrete maths, formal languages, parsing and compiling techniques, graph algorithms, data mining algorithms, a bit of numerical methods, analytical geometry. Python, C/C++, Java are the tools of engineers. Scientists use them, sure, but they are not the main focus. Cheers, florin -- Bruce Schneier expects the Spanish Inquisition. http://geekz.co.uk/schneierfacts/fact/163 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/e5d2f19a/attachment-0001.pgp From cwgriesel at gmail.com Fri Jan 21 14:56:37 2011 From: cwgriesel at gmail.com (Curtis Griesel) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:56:37 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Information systems management VS computer science. In-Reply-To: <20110121205007.GB2316@styx.iucha.org> References: <20110121205007.GB2316@styx.iucha.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 02:36:25PM -0600, Curtis Griesel wrote: > > Do you want to learn the theory of programming, and how new programming > > techniques and languages are developing in the future? Then study > Computer > > Science. A CSci major will probably be learning Python, C, C++, and > maybe a > > little java, as well as some interesting but less practical languages > like > > LISP and Prolog. > > A CSci major should be learning discrete maths, formal languages, > parsing and compiling techniques, graph algorithms, data mining > algorithms, a bit of numerical methods, analytical geometry. > > Python, C/C++, Java are the tools of engineers. Scientists use them, > sure, but they are not the main focus. > > That's right. But you do need some language to study discrete math, algorithms, and so on, even if language is not the focus. Many CSci programs used to use Pascal as a teaching language, but many have switched to Python or C++. Some are using Java as a teaching language. But you are right, the focus of CSci is theory, not programming. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/57a65e92/attachment.htm From random at argle.org Fri Jan 21 15:05:05 2011 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:05:05 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Information systems management VS computer science. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D39F501.60000@argle.org> On 01/21/2011 02:07 PM, r j wrote: > What do you think are the pros and cone of each. > Personal opinion please. > > This would be a degree with a programming focus. > If a flame war erupt thats fine but lets not get "religulous" > :) > Math or any science/engineering specialty works, too. Computers are so fundamental to all technical specialties that it is better to look at what you want to program for and go that way. -- Dan From 13.finn at gmail.com Fri Jan 21 15:20:49 2011 From: 13.finn at gmail.com (Patrick "Finn" Robins) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:20:49 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Information systems management VS computer science. In-Reply-To: References: <20110121205007.GB2316@styx.iucha.org> Message-ID: I am currently back in college and am taking a 2 yr CS degree ( intending to transfer and get a bachelors in robotics). CS is definitely theory more than programming but it makes an excellent problem solving introduction which helps immensely in software engineering. On the language front the 2 year schools at least are using Java as the primary language and rely on Windows and Solaris. If you want to program take Software Engineering. -Patrick "Finn" Robins On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 14:56, Curtis Griesel wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Florin Iucha wrote: > >> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 02:36:25PM -0600, Curtis Griesel wrote: >> > Do you want to learn the theory of programming, and how new programming >> > techniques and languages are developing in the future? Then study >> Computer >> > Science. A CSci major will probably be learning Python, C, C++, and >> maybe a >> > little java, as well as some interesting but less practical languages >> like >> > LISP and Prolog. >> >> A CSci major should be learning discrete maths, formal languages, >> parsing and compiling techniques, graph algorithms, data mining >> algorithms, a bit of numerical methods, analytical geometry. >> >> Python, C/C++, Java are the tools of engineers. Scientists use them, >> sure, but they are not the main focus. >> >> > That's right. But you do need some language to study discrete math, > algorithms, and so on, even if language is not the focus. Many CSci programs > used to use Pascal as a teaching language, but many have switched to Python > or C++. Some are using Java as a teaching language. But you are right, the > focus of CSci is theory, not programming. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr. Seuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/9a0d0f5c/attachment.htm From ryanjcole at me.com Fri Jan 21 15:26:48 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:26:48 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Yuk yuk yuk ... religious thoughts on OS names In-Reply-To: <4D39F501.60000@argle.org> References: <4D39F501.60000@argle.org> Message-ID: I found an email referencing the FreeBSD Daemon that was shared as a result of a HUGE flame war on the FreeBSD Questions list last summer... and thought I'd share it here: > Linda Branagan is an expert on daemons. She has a T-shirt that sports the daemon in tennis shoes that appears on the cover of the 4.3BSD manuals and The Design and Implementation of the 4.3BSD UNIX Operating System by S. Leffler, M. McKusick, M. Karels, J. Quarterman, Addison-Wesley Publishing Company, Reading, MA 1989. > > She tells the following story about wearing the 4.3BSD daemon T-shirt > RTA: http://www.milk.com/true-stories/unix_for_the_masses.html This post was a result of a food-for-thought effort and will not be continued by the OP. -- The OP. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20110121/ab621bac/attachment.htm From jjensen at apache.org Fri Jan 21 15:47:54 2011 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 15:47:54 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Yuk yuk yuk ... religious thoughts on OS names In-Reply-To: References: <4D39F501.60000@argle.org> Message-ID: Yer not from round here, aire ya? On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I found an email referencing the FreeBSD Daemon that was shared as a result > of a HUGE flame war on the FreeBSD Questions list last summer... and thought > I'd share it here: > > Linda Branagan is an expert on daemons. She has a T-shirt that sports the > daemon in tennis shoes that appears on the cover of the 4.3BSD manuals and > The Design and Implementation of the 4.3BSD UNIX Operating System by S. > Leffler, M. McKusick, M. Karels, J. Quarterman, Addison-Wesley Publishing > Company, Reading, MA 1989. > > She tells the following story about wearing the 4.3BSD daemon T-shirt > > RTA:?http://www.milk.com/true-stories/unix_for_the_masses.html > This post was a result of a food-for-thought effort and will not be > continued by the OP. > -- > The OP. From sulrich at botwerks.org Fri Jan 21 16:19:39 2011 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:19:39 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Yuk yuk yuk ... religious thoughts on OS names In-Reply-To: References: <4D39F501.60000@argle.org> Message-ID: this thread reminded me of customer interaction pain of yore ... in the late 90s our host naming scheme for the servers @ visi was to use the names of various ancient gods. the primary smtp server happened to be baal.visi.com. (a quick google for "smtp baal.visi.com" seems to indicate that the hostname has been available into the mid-00s). given the negative prominence that ba'al (pick your spelling) has received in judeo-christian fabl^H^H^H^H religious texts; this hostname, with surprising frequency, resulted in someone from tech support passing me or someone else in engineering, calls from concerned customers. these customers wanted to express their concern for corporate salvation, or intent to take their business elsewhere if false gods were found in their SMTP headers again. sigh ... On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I found an email referencing the FreeBSD Daemon that was shared as a result > of a HUGE flame war on the FreeBSD Questions list last summer... and thought > I'd share it here: > > Linda Branagan is an expert on daemons. She has a T-shirt that sports the > daemon in tennis shoes that appears on the cover of the 4.3BSD manuals and > The Design and Implementation of the 4.3BSD UNIX Operating System by S. > Leffler, M. McKusick, M. Karels, J. Quarterman, Addison-Wesley Publishing > Company, Reading, MA 1989. > > She tells the following story about wearing the 4.3BSD daemon T-shirt > > RTA:?http://www.milk.com/true-stories/unix_for_the_masses.html > This post was a result of a food-for-thought effort and will not be > continued by the OP. > -- > The OP. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- steve ulrich (sulrich at botwerks.*) From ecrist at secure-computing.net Fri Jan 21 16:54:22 2011 From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric Crist) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 16:54:22 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] RocketRaid configuration In-Reply-To: References: <4D3854EA.5090801@lctn.org> Message-ID: Um, FreeNAS is FreeBSD... On Jan 20, 2011, at 10:13:21, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Everything I've read about RRs (I have two 2320s) is you need to either rebuild via the BIOS or via a system utility. > > Sadly, my experience is solely limited to FreeBSD so I really can't help with the sys utility process. > > On Jan 20, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Raymond Norton wrote: > >> I'm working with a RocketRaid 222x sata controller on a freenas box >> (Raid 5). I had a failed drive, which I have since replaced and >> configured as a spare. In the raid bios it shows the raid is disabled. >> Actually it says "disable" for status. I am expecting the raid to >> rebuild, but it doesn't and I do see any way in the bios to alter the >> disable status. A mount command verifies the raid did not fire up. >> >> Any ideas how to resolve this, outside of creating a new raid? >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Tue Jan 25 20:35:15 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:35:15 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Happy Unix Epoch Day! Message-ID: I guess I'm a few minutes late. Sorry if you missed it... http://goo.gl/KrCM7 In Bash: date -d "$(date -ud "1 Jan 1970 + 15000 days")" That should give the proper local time for this event. Even better (I wrote this, so I don't know if it's the best way to do it): (( for i in $(seq -w 0 40) ; do echo -ne "${i}000 days before 1 Jan 1970\t" ; \ date -d "$(date -ud "1 Jan 1970 - ${i}000 days")" ; done ) | tac ; \ for i in $(seq -w 40) ; do echo -ne "${i}000 days after 1 Jan 1970\t" ; \ date -d "$(date -ud "1 Jan 1970 + ${i}000 days")" ; done ) | \ perl -pe 's/^0/ / ; s/ 0000/ 0/' I'm going to try to be there for May 11, 2060, but I doubt I'll make it (8 days before my 102nd birthday). Mike