From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 22:26:37 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 22:26:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] trouble-shooting machine that won't start Message-ID: I turned off my Ubuntu box earlier today and when I turned it back on nothing appeared on the screen(s). I can't log into it from the console or by ssh and I can't ping it. I hear the fan, and it seems to be louder than it used to be. Do you think it's the power supply? What should I be doing to figure it out? Maybe the mobo went out. Mike From nesius at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 23:06:30 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 23:06:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] trouble-shooting machine that won't start In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sounds like it's not posting.... and you're getting zero video? -Rob On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:26 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > I turned off my Ubuntu box earlier today and when I turned it back on > nothing appeared on the screen(s). I can't log into it from the console or > by ssh and I can't ping it. I hear the fan, and it seems to be louder than > it used to be. Do you think it's the power supply? What should I be doing > to figure it out? Maybe the mobo went out. > > Mike > ______________________________**_________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri Jul 1 23:10:17 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 23:10:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] trouble-shooting machine that won't start In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Jul 2011, Mike Miller wrote: > I turned off my Ubuntu box earlier today and when I turned it back on nothing > appeared on the screen(s). This is prooooooobably not an Utuntu problem (; Ok, if it's turning on at all, it's probably not the motherboard since nowadays the motherboard is what's saying "Yeah go ahead and turn on". No video at all, no POST, no weird beeps? Nothing at all? Ok, maybe it IS the motherboard (; Or CPU or RAM... honestly with no output at ALL the only thing you can do is start swapping out components and hoping to hit the right one... -Yaron -- From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 23:11:08 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 23:11:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] trouble-shooting machine that won't start In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Jul 2011, Robert Nesius wrote: > Sounds like it's not posting.... and you're getting zero video? Right, not even the bios screen splash, or whatever that's called. Mike From nesius at gmail.com Fri Jul 1 23:14:02 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 23:14:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] trouble-shooting machine that won't start In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you're board is not even beeping at you, there's probably a problem with the board. That's not a guarantee the board is the problem - just what I would conclude in your shoes and where I would start my trouble-shooting approach. -Rob On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > On Fri, 1 Jul 2011, Robert Nesius wrote: > > Sounds like it's not posting.... and you're getting zero video? >> > > Right, not even the bios screen splash, or whatever that's called. > > > Mike > ______________________________**_________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at beitsahour.net Sat Jul 2 02:10:13 2011 From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 02:10:13 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] trouble-shooting machine that won't start In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 23:10, Yaron wrote: > > On Fri, 1 Jul 2011, Mike Miller wrote: > >> I turned off my Ubuntu box earlier today and when I turned it back on >> nothing appeared on the screen(s). > > > This is prooooooobably not an Utuntu problem (; > > Ok, if it's turning on at all, it's probably not the motherboard since > nowadays the motherboard is what's saying "Yeah go ahead and turn on". > > No video at all, no POST, no weird beeps? Nothing at all? Ok, maybe it IS > the motherboard (; Or CPU or RAM... honestly with no output at ALL the only > thing you can do is start swapping out components and hoping to hit the > right one... if you do this professionally then it pays to get one of these, it tells you where in the post process the system is hanging. beats counting beeps. http://siliconkit.com/ocart/index.php?route=product/category&path=25_41 and one of these will help determine if the power supply is at fault(will not work with proprietary power supplies, including some dells which look like standard atx): http://www.buy.com/prod/coolmax-ps-228-atx12v-eps12v-power-supply-tester-atx-motherboard/q/sellerid/11408470/loc/101/212543552.html IMHO, if you fix computers for a living you need both of these tools. From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 11:51:54 2011 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2011 11:51:54 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] trouble-shooting machine that won't start In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E0F4CAA.3030702@gmail.com> On 7/1/2011 11:11 PM, Mike Miller cried from the depths of the abyss: > > Right, not even the bios screen splash, or whatever that's called. > Pop open the case, and remove and reinstall all the RAM. Do the same for the CPU. Give everything else a good push/gentle wiggle. If you have any add-on cards, try to remove & reseat/install them. This often help with the power on/no post situation. From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 15:12:49 2011 From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (r j) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 15:12:49 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 79, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: """Pop open the case, and remove and reinstall all the RAM. Do the same for the CPU. Give everything else a good push/gentle wiggle. If you have any add-on cards, try to remove & reseat/install them. This often help with the power on/no post situation.""" I agree with bob. I would unplug the drives as well. I would test the power supply pins with a multi meter to make sure all voltage is correct at eatch pin. Then just have the CPU and RAM plugged in. Then successfully plug in one component at a time. Listening for the post beep each time. ,Ron -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sat Jul 2 16:23:21 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 16:23:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] trouble-shooting machine that won't start In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Jul 2011, Yaron wrote: > On Fri, 1 Jul 2011, Mike Miller wrote: > >> I turned off my Ubuntu box earlier today and when I turned it back on >> nothing appeared on the screen(s). > > This is prooooooobably not an Utuntu problem (; I was just using that to get a more sympathetic response. ;-) Thanks to everyone for the ideas. I'll see what I can figure out. Another thing I noticed is that the CPU fan comes on as if the CPU is hot (the same sound I hear if I have it show a YouTube video in full-screen mode), but that loud fan now starts as soon as the power button is pushed when the CPU is still cold. Mike From tclug at freakzilla.com Sat Jul 2 16:35:33 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 16:35:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] trouble-shooting machine that won't start In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 2 Jul 2011, Mike Miller wrote: > Another thing I noticed is that the CPU fan comes on as if the CPU is hot That's actually normal - fans will usually start at max before the governers tell them to slow down. This might indicate the motherboard is not initialising all the way. The whole tear-down-and-rebuild suggestions are good - I'd add that maybe you should spray the dust the hell out of it too. -Yaron -- From dniesen at gmail.com Tue Jul 5 15:30:15 2011 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 15:30:15 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for way to read rotation metadata from the command line (or other way) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Mike Miller wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, Donovan wrote: > >> We're doing some video encoding using FFMpeg and we're getting some videos >> coming in that are rotated and would like to automatically detect the >> rotation and flip them. ?From what I've been able to research, there is a >> rotation flag/variable in the files that say if it's rotated and to what >> degree (ie: 90, 180, etc). ?I can't for the life of me figure out how to >> find this info. ?I've tried using mplayer/midentify but it doesn't seem to >> display anything. >> >> I know it can be done as processing the same videos through encoding.com >> shows the rotation value but we're trying to roll our own solution. Hoping >> somebody else has run into this. > > > Are you familiar with exiftool? ?It's a nice perl script that I have used > often to work with metadata. ?I have used it mostly with JPEG image files, > but it can read, at least, data from all sorts of files. ?Here' ssome info: > > http://www.sno.phy.queensu.ca/~phil/exiftool/exiftool_pod.html > > I have used it to change metadata in JPEG files and I would think that it > can do that for some image formats. > > Regarding flipping -- I don't know anything about video, but with image > files it is possible to do lossless rotation. ?It is a little tricky to do > it, though. ?The code snippet below gives a clue on how I've been doing this > with JPEG files. ?Again, I'm not sure how it works with video data. I would > think one would either have to rotate every frame to truly rotate the video. > ?If the problem is that the software is showing the wrong orientation > because of some tag, the tag could be fixed, but this presumes that the > software can rotate the video display. > > Mike > > > # Perform lossless rotation of JPEGs preserving all EXIF data. ?This > # requires the exifautotran script and the C programs it calls -- > # jpegtran and jpegexiforient -- all written by someone else. ?When > # the Orientation tag is set incorrectly, this step will do nothing > # and you will have to run the scripts "rotleft" and/or "rotright" (or > # use other software) to achieve the desired lossless rotation. > > if [ $has_JPEG -gt 0 ]; then > ? exifautotran *.jpg > fi > > # update the File Modification Date/Time EXIF field in all JPEG files > # so that it is the same as in the Date/Time Original EXIF field > > if [ $has_JPEG -gt 0 ]; then > ? for file in $(ls -1 | grep -E '\.jpg$'); do > ? ? ?exiftool '-DateTimeOriginal>FileModifyDate' "${file}" > /dev/null > ? done > fi > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > This looks like it might do the trick. I'm outsourcing the encoding for now but I'll get back into trying to roll our encoding again shortly so I'll have to give this a try. Thanks for the tip! -- Donovan Niesen From jpschewe at mtu.net Wed Jul 6 06:20:07 2011 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 06:20:07 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for way to read rotation metadata from the command line (or other way) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E1444E7.8020204@mtu.net> On 06/29/2011 07:11 AM, Donovan wrote: > We're doing some video encoding using FFMpeg and we're getting some > videos coming in that are rotated and would like to automatically > detect the rotation and flip them. From what I've been able to > research, there is a rotation flag/variable in the files that say if > it's rotated and to what degree (ie: 90, 180, etc). I can't for the > life of me figure out how to find this info. I've tried using > mplayer/midentify but it doesn't seem to display anything. > > I know it can be done as processing the same videos through > encoding.com shows the rotation value but we're trying to roll our own > solution. Hoping somebody else has run into this. > I just had some videos come off my ipod and they were rotated. I don't know how to automatically detect the rotation, but to fix it I found I just needed to add -vf "transpose=1" to the commandline. From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 19:35:04 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:35:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] scp stalling Message-ID: This is a problem that I have fairly often. It happens between various pairs of computers, but always at least one of the two is at the U. I'll start transferring a big file via scp and will eventually see the KB/s decline until the ETA disappears and it says "- stalled -" instead of the ETA. Any idea what that is about? It could happen at any time in the process -- the last few attempts failed at 109MB, 16MB and 45MB while downloading an ubuntu .iso file. I was also unable to do it via web browser. Mike From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 19:46:31 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:46:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] trouble-shooting machine that won't start In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 2 Jul 2011, Yaron wrote: > On Sat, 2 Jul 2011, Mike Miller wrote: > >> Another thing I noticed is that the CPU fan comes on as if the CPU is >> hot > > That's actually normal - fans will usually start at max before the > governers tell them to slow down. This might indicate the motherboard is > not initialising all the way. > > The whole tear-down-and-rebuild suggestions are good - I'd add that > maybe you should spray the dust the hell out of it too. All of those ideas made a lot of sense, so I tried them. There was a lot of dust. After all that, no change. I noticed that four of the capacitors on the mobo looked like they had popped, so I took it into General Nanosystems and had them replace the mobo ($65 + $45 labor, in and out in 45 mins). That seems to have worked, but the machine won't boot up because the new mobo is not the same as the old mobo. I'll start a new thread to ask about how best to deal with that issue. Mike From mjb at umn.edu Sat Jul 9 19:48:48 2011 From: mjb at umn.edu (Michael Berkowski) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:48:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] scp stalling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Jul 9, 2011 7:35 PM, "Mike Miller" wrote: > > This is a problem that I have fairly often. It happens between various pairs of computers, but always at least one of the two is at the U. I'll start transferring a big file via scp and will eventually see the KB/s decline until the ETA disappears and it says "- stalled -" instead of the ETA. Any idea what that is about? It could happen at any time in the process -- the last few attempts failed at 109MB, 16MB and 45MB while downloading an ubuntu .iso file. I was also unable to do it via web browser. > I often have a similar problem with wifi on recent kernels and a BCM4311 chipset. Never found a solution other than to plug into ethernet when I need to retrieve or transfer a large file. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 19:52:16 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:52:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] upgrading motherboard and reinstalling Ubuntu Message-ID: I had to replace my motherboard and Ubuntu 10.10 won't reboot with the new mobo. I'm thinking the problem has to do with the drivers, but I'm not sure. There could be more wrong. The system claims that I don't have a bootable drive -- is that what we would expect to see? I have a couple of 2TB drives that I want to install as a RAID1, anyway, so I'm just installing Ubuntu (10.10 again) from scratch on those new drives. But after I've done that, it would be nice if I could just copy over all the programs and settings I was using previously from the former boot drive. Is there a good way to do that? Any advice? Mike From jpschewe at mtu.net Sat Jul 9 19:58:56 2011 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 19:58:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] scp stalling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E18F950.606@mtu.net> On 07/09/2011 07:48 PM, Michael Berkowski wrote: > > > On Jul 9, 2011 7:35 PM, "Mike Miller" > wrote: > > > > This is a problem that I have fairly often. It happens between > various pairs of computers, but always at least one of the two is at > the U. I'll start transferring a big file via scp and will eventually > see the KB/s decline until the ETA disappears and it says "- stalled > -" instead of the ETA. Any idea what that is about? It could happen > at any time in the process -- the last few attempts failed at 109MB, > 16MB and 45MB while downloading an ubuntu .iso file. I was also > unable to do it via web browser. > > > > I often have a similar problem with wifi on recent kernels and a > BCM4311 chipset. Never found a solution other than to plug into > ethernet when I need to retrieve or transfer a large file. > I had a similar problem with one of my websites. I found out that there was a SonicWall in front of it in paranoid mode and it thought the ssh traffic was an attack. From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 19:58:58 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:58:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] scp stalling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Michael Berkowski wrote: > On Jul 9, 2011 7:35 PM, "Mike Miller" wrote: > >> This is a problem that I have fairly often. It happens between various >> pairs of computers, but always at least one of the two is at the U. >> I'll start transferring a big file via scp and will eventually see the >> KB/s decline until the ETA disappears and it says "- stalled -" instead >> of the ETA. Any idea what that is about? It could happen at any time >> in the process -- the last few attempts failed at 109MB, 16MB and 45MB >> while downloading an ubuntu .iso file. I was also unable to do it via >> web browser. > > I often have a similar problem with wifi on recent kernels and a BCM4311 > chipset. Never found a solution other than to plug into ethernet when I > need to retrieve or transfer a large file. It occurred to me that maybe sftp is better for large files than is scp, so I tried the transfer with sftp and it worked on the first attempt. That was after four consecutive failures with scp and a maximum download of 23% of the file. Mike From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 20:03:27 2011 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 20:03:27 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] upgrading motherboard and reinstalling Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E18FA5F.8030501@gmail.com> On 7/9/2011 7:52 PM, Mike Miller cried from the depths of the abyss: > The system claims that I don't have a bootable drive -- is that what we > would expect to see? Did you just have one single drive before? From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 21:40:25 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 21:40:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] upgrading motherboard and reinstalling Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4E18FA5F.8030501@gmail.com> References: <4E18FA5F.8030501@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > On 7/9/2011 7:52 PM, Mike Miller cried from the depths of the abyss: > >> The system claims that I don't have a bootable drive -- is that what we >> would expect to see? > > Did you just have one single drive before? I had two drives -- one bootable and one secondary, no RAID. Right now I've got neither of those drives in the box. I put in the two new unused 2TB drives and I'm starting to try to install Ubuntu 10.10 with a RAID1 (mirroring) configuration. I'm not entirely sure I can do that the right way, but I'll give it a try. I can always try to go back and do something differently. Mike From tclug at freakzilla.com Sat Jul 9 21:55:27 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 21:55:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] upgrading motherboard and reinstalling Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Mike Miller wrote: > I had to replace my motherboard and Ubuntu 10.10 won't reboot with the new > mobo. I'm thinking the problem has to do with the drivers, but I'm not sure. > There could be more wrong. The system claims that I don't have a bootable > drive -- is that what we would expect to see? Ok, that's very strange. I've used the same Ubuntu installation to boot on machines which not only had different motherboards, but different architectures (i.e., AMD-based on one and Intel-based on the other). I've got an Ubuntu installation on a thumbdrive that I've literally used to boot from a dozen or so different machines, too. The only reason you should have a problem would be if you had a 64-bit install and are now on a 32-bit machine. But that is EXTREMELY unlikely. What exactly is happening? How far is the boot process able to go? Do you get to grub at least? My instinct is to hold Shift while you boot, edit the grub boot line and remove the "quiet splash" part, that'll give you a more verbose boot process that'll be much much MUCH easier to debug. -Yaron -- From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 22:03:01 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:03:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] upgrading motherboard and reinstalling Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Yaron wrote: > On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Mike Miller wrote: > >> I had to replace my motherboard and Ubuntu 10.10 won't reboot with the >> new mobo. I'm thinking the problem has to do with the drivers, but I'm >> not sure. There could be more wrong. The system claims that I don't >> have a bootable drive -- is that what we would expect to see? > > Ok, that's very strange. I've used the same Ubuntu installation to boot > on machines which not only had different motherboards, but different > architectures (i.e., AMD-based on one and Intel-based on the other). > I've got an Ubuntu installation on a thumbdrive that I've literally used > to boot from a dozen or so different machines, too. > > The only reason you should have a problem would be if you had a 64-bit > install and are now on a 32-bit machine. But that is EXTREMELY unlikely. > > What exactly is happening? How far is the boot process able to go? Do > you get to grub at least? > > > My instinct is to hold Shift while you boot, edit the grub boot line and > remove the "quiet splash" part, that'll give you a more verbose boot > process that'll be much much MUCH easier to debug. OK, I'll give that a try later. Right now I'm trying to install Ubuntu 10.10 as RAID 1 on two new 2TB HDDs. The old boot drive is sitting in the machine (case still open), but it isn't attached to the SATA. Later I can just detach the two new HDDs, connect the old boot drive to SATA port #1 and try your advice. The thing is, I do want to switch to the two 2TB drives in a RAID1 (mirroring) arrangement. Even if the old boot drive were still booting, I'd have to do something to move everything to the new drives. I'm still not sure what that is, exactly, or how it would be different if the old drive were still booting. Mike From tclug at freakzilla.com Sat Jul 9 22:07:49 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:07:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] upgrading motherboard and reinstalling Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Mike Miller wrote: > The thing is, I do want to switch to the two 2TB drives in a RAID1 > (mirroring) arrangement. Even if the old boot drive were still booting, I'd > have to do something to move everything to the new drives. Hmm. Ok, how far along this process are you? If you're able to get the RAID set up through Ubuntu's setup (or if it's a hardware RAID) and then get Ubuntu installed, that's a good start (: Now, as for copying everything over... you /could/ get everything installed with the sime filesystem design, and then boot from Ubuntu's live CD, mount all the filesystems and just bulk-copy everything over. Another option is to finish the installation, just copy your home directory over (that should have all your configuration files etc), and then use apt-get or synaptic or whatever the GUI version is to install any programs you have missing. That's probably a bit safer. Is that what you're looking at doing? -Yaron -- From nesius at gmail.com Sat Jul 9 22:36:59 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 22:36:59 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] scp stalling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Michael Berkowski wrote: > > On Jul 9, 2011 7:35 PM, "Mike Miller" wrote: >> >> This is a problem that I have fairly often. It happens between various >>> pairs of computers, but always at least one of the two is at the U. I'll >>> start transferring a big file via scp and will eventually see the KB/s >>> decline until the ETA disappears and it says "- stalled -" instead of the >>> ETA. Any idea what that is about? It could happen at any time in the >>> process -- the last few attempts failed at 109MB, 16MB and 45MB while >>> downloading an ubuntu .iso file. I was also unable to do it via web >>> browser. >>> >> >> I often have a similar problem with wifi on recent kernels and a BCM4311 >> chipset. Never found a solution other than to plug into ethernet when I need >> to retrieve or transfer a large file. >> > > > It occurred to me that maybe sftp is better for large files than is scp, so > I tried the transfer with sftp and it worked on the first attempt. That was > after four consecutive failures with scp and a maximum download of 23% of > the file. > > I'd use sftp over scp for big files like that. You might also use wget (through an ssh tunnel or some other manner), as wget can resume downloads that didn't complete without retransmitting bits already sent. (Not sure sftp does the same or not - it's worth reading the man page to see if it does). -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Sat Jul 9 23:46:22 2011 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu) Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 23:46:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Home LAN server in FreeBSD 7.4 Message-ID: <20110709234622.dd561bc3.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Has anyone here installed a home LAN server in FreeBSD 7.4? I've already done it in Debian Lenny. I've recorded my procedure at http://www.jasonhsu.com/linux-server-debian-lenny1.odt . I'm looking for the analogous procedure for FreeBSD 7.4. -- Jason Hsu Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org) From ryanjcole at me.com Sat Jul 9 23:55:31 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 23:55:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Home LAN server in FreeBSD 7.4 In-Reply-To: <20110709234622.dd561bc3.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20110709234622.dd561bc3.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: <8536607E-9F60-4EEE-B29B-0D99C8140558@me.com> So... just Samba? On Jul 9, 2011, at 11:46 PM, Jason Hsu wrote: > Has anyone here installed a home LAN server in FreeBSD 7.4? > > I've already done it in Debian Lenny. I've recorded my procedure at http://www.jasonhsu.com/linux-server-debian-lenny1.odt . > > I'm looking for the analogous procedure for FreeBSD 7.4. > > -- > Jason Hsu > Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org) > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ryanjcole at me.com Sat Jul 9 23:59:26 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 23:59:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Home LAN server in FreeBSD 7.4 In-Reply-To: <8536607E-9F60-4EEE-B29B-0D99C8140558@me.com> References: <20110709234622.dd561bc3.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <8536607E-9F60-4EEE-B29B-0D99C8140558@me.com> Message-ID: <957EDB37-E450-4B9B-B60A-6A442F85FA3F@me.com> Nevermind. I see now... basically you can still set it up the same, but double check the Ports database to see if all those items are available [http://www.freebsd.org/ports/]. The paths will change, obviously, and the manner in which you install ports is different but I would think that might be possible. Why 7.4 instead of 8? On Jul 9, 2011, at 11:55 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > So... just Samba? > > > On Jul 9, 2011, at 11:46 PM, Jason Hsu wrote: > >> Has anyone here installed a home LAN server in FreeBSD 7.4? >> >> I've already done it in Debian Lenny. I've recorded my procedure at http://www.jasonhsu.com/linux-server-debian-lenny1.odt . >> >> I'm looking for the analogous procedure for FreeBSD 7.4. >> >> -- >> Jason Hsu >> Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org) >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ryanjcole at me.com Sun Jul 10 00:26:29 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 00:26:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Home LAN server in FreeBSD 7.4 In-Reply-To: <957EDB37-E450-4B9B-B60A-6A442F85FA3F@me.com> References: <20110709234622.dd561bc3.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <8536607E-9F60-4EEE-B29B-0D99C8140558@me.com> <957EDB37-E450-4B9B-B60A-6A442F85FA3F@me.com> Message-ID: <13F3FCF5-E7A3-43BB-A687-ED22D4B871F7@me.com> If you require a hand-hold on the install I can help you. I've been using fBSD since 5.0. On Jul 9, 2011, at 11:59 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Nevermind. I see now... basically you can still set it up the same, but double check the Ports database to see if all those items are available [http://www.freebsd.org/ports/]. > > The paths will change, obviously, and the manner in which you install ports is different but I would think that might be possible. > > Why 7.4 instead of 8? > > > > On Jul 9, 2011, at 11:55 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > >> So... just Samba? >> >> >> On Jul 9, 2011, at 11:46 PM, Jason Hsu wrote: >> >>> Has anyone here installed a home LAN server in FreeBSD 7.4? >>> >>> I've already done it in Debian Lenny. I've recorded my procedure at http://www.jasonhsu.com/linux-server-debian-lenny1.odt . >>> >>> I'm looking for the analogous procedure for FreeBSD 7.4. >>> >>> -- >>> Jason Hsu >>> Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From bahamutzero8825 at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 02:55:54 2011 From: bahamutzero8825 at gmail.com (Andrew Berg) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 02:55:54 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Choosing a license Message-ID: <4E195B0A.2030904@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Since most software licenses are incredibly verbose, I can't be bothered to read through even the major OSI-approved licenses. Essentially, for my new project, I don't mind if others use the code in a commercial product, but I do mind if they do little more than repackage it and sell it. Using it to extend functionality is fine; using it as major functionality or as a major component is not. Commercial use is allowed with little, if any, restriction (e.g. using it to produce videos that will be sold is okay). Which license(s) should I take a look at? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAwAGBQJOGVsKAAoJEPiOA0Bgp4/LbusIANTckI7UiUKGMG6Ai+XIWMjx yM6UuQXW/gT21Rc0V5gb1NvonnHY2i9Ug9qaBdjhcRRGrNc32O7TG41xxdE8WhFi wKo8istGkT4MIuNCgPgsHZnXl+BxpFZ6RMk5PAtLy5eEcJ8/q1aGxqyNK6SvA/Tl 3PRqqvcB6+bv95iIFTAg9HnYN4NcfBwQrCM+UGGtTh/yCQZuTYAUP+MTaYgPjcdD V/Oc1N3pLC07i2fMa66ySzXBICVxjMBfxWGutpcfeGWGfpJ1OMB4MsfaNE3z7Jzb Ws/nfB9PZF5kM2OiCeIOGCE32obocnnLQmykxpXEgSvzUP2Uscx2wjN0+VsdQ14= =d7Wo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Jul 10 07:50:26 2011 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 07:50:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Choosing a license In-Reply-To: <4E195B0A.2030904@gmail.com> References: <4E195B0A.2030904@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E19A012.60907@mtu.net> On 07/10/2011 02:55 AM, Andrew Berg wrote: > Since most software licenses are incredibly verbose, I can't be bothered > to read through even the major OSI-approved licenses. Essentially, for > my new project, I don't mind if others use the code in a commercial > product, but I do mind if they do little more than repackage it and sell > it. Using it to extend functionality is fine; using it as major > functionality or as a major component is not. Commercial use is allowed > with little, if any, restriction (e.g. using it to produce videos that > will be sold is okay). Which license(s) should I take a look at? If your project is a stand-alone program and not a library that will be linked into something, then you can usually use GPL safely in commercial applications as long as no one wants to ship your project inside of a commercial application. If it's a library or something that someone may want to link to in some way, stick with BSD or Clear BSD. Jon -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Look and see if there are similar open source apps to what yours does and see what license they use. I find that you should just go with the flow depending on what your code does. For example, Wordpress and Drupal plugins should be GPL, Apache modules should be Apache licensed, nginx modules should be BSD licensed, PHP extensions should be PHP licensed, and so on. When you choose your license, you are choosing your community. BSD licensed projects attract different people than GPL licensed projects... meaning, if it's GPL licensed, some big companies won't touch it with a ten foot pole, but BSD/Apache licensed projects can gain corporate interest. Look at MySQL (GPL), not many people contribute to it that aren't Oracle (Sun) employees. Personally, who cares? Based on my experience, most people will not care about your project. I would choose either BSD or Apache license. Give away the code. People might be more interested in helping out. Forks of your code that are sold are never as successful as the free core project. The core project has a name for itself, it has the contributors, it has the momentum. Not many (if any) forked projects could keep up with the core project. Best of luck, -Chris On 7/10/11 2:55 AM, Andrew Berg wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > Since most software licenses are incredibly verbose, I can't be bothered > to read through even the major OSI-approved licenses. Essentially, for > my new project, I don't mind if others use the code in a commercial > product, but I do mind if they do little more than repackage it and sell > it. Using it to extend functionality is fine; using it as major > functionality or as a major component is not. Commercial use is allowed > with little, if any, restriction (e.g. using it to produce videos that > will be sold is okay). 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URL: From bahamutzero8825 at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 09:38:18 2011 From: bahamutzero8825 at gmail.com (Andrew Berg) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 09:38:18 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Choosing a license In-Reply-To: <4E19A012.60907@mtu.net> References: <4E195B0A.2030904@gmail.com> <4E19A012.60907@mtu.net> Message-ID: <4E19B95A.2020705@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 On 2011.07.10 07:50 AM, Jon Schewe wrote: > If it's a library or something that someone may want to link to in > some way, stick with BSD or Clear BSD. BSD is too permissive. The largest part of the project is a library (a Python module), and it does the heavy lifting. I don't want someone making a GUI and using the module for all the important stuff unless they make the source available. On 2011.07.10 08:51 AM, Chris Barber wrote: > If you plan to sell your app, perhaps a dual license GPL/proprietary > would be better for you. Not at all. I don't care about usage. I have no problem if someone uses the app for business purposes. > Look and see if there are similar open source apps to what yours does > and see what license they use. The project most similar to what I have in mind is MeGUI, which uses the GPL. > Personally, who cares? Based on my experience, most people will not > care about your project. Yeah, I know, but you never know who's going to want to write the next shovelware video converter for a quick buck and decide to use as much freely available code as possible to do it. > Forks of your code that are sold are never as successful as the free > core project. The core project has a name for itself, it has the > contributors, it has the momentum. Not many (if any) forked projects > could keep up with the core project. Of course. I just do not want anyone directly profiting from my work (not unless a good chunk of change is headed my way, anyway :P ). I think I'll go with the AGPL v3. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAwAGBQJOGblaAAoJEPiOA0Bgp4/LfdgH/2CLy0JwS0jRhemuqilyoTf5 5WU5yDcp+fIJtlwg8+eH2acmsMngtyNYoBWR4I/Wdsl0hdS8RHiMTqfXn8Tjwbr+ rGvFTalF/N+zYDOWP9ix2oXxUQRdm8GWFVxQCnfMbO4Ei/6JjgI9SuR+iMba+M7R KFjSYNeCWxJVM7dCZHRnoNI6jS7j9AoI3aEPmEORf5NNSsxIsqJBmlmWjcm3CD1D QxkbPgUQISdbYiXhvu1FQCWUQ33mcc2iLHwJpe3mM2qaDTm1GkKbbs6ivlu3xqLS URsepAbH0P2cv3HeGcLCeaBNQv9sBY+8fL9BMVYIkKSmKF1lZBjHi+aef7iUzs0= =GFjK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From scottbb1973 at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 06:04:05 2011 From: scottbb1973 at gmail.com (Scott Berry) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:04:05 +0200 Subject: [tclug-list] upgrading motherboard and reinstalling Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E198725.3010602@gmail.com> Mike, You know I have seen this problem as well when just replacing hard drives. When using a regular SADA hard drive and replacing it a lot of times Ubuntu doesn't see the drive for whatever reason. As far as backup I think you could probaably use Bacula as the backup program i think it works for this type of stuff. On 10/07/11 02:52, Mike Miller wrote: > I had to replace my motherboard and Ubuntu 10.10 won't reboot with the > new mobo. I'm thinking the problem has to do with the drivers, but > I'm not sure. There could be more wrong. The system claims that I > don't have a bootable drive -- is that what we would expect to see? > > I have a couple of 2TB drives that I want to install as a RAID1, > anyway, so I'm just installing Ubuntu (10.10 again) from scratch on > those new drives. But after I've done that, it would be nice if I > could just copy over all the programs and settings I was using > previously from the former boot drive. Is there a good way to do > that? Any advice? > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Scott Berry E-mail Address: scottbb1973 at gmail.com Repeater Book Admin for the following states: north and South Dakota, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa Computer Certs: MCP, A+ Certified From scottbb1973 at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 06:06:36 2011 From: scottbb1973 at gmail.com (Scott Berry) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:06:36 +0200 Subject: [tclug-list] scp stalling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E1987BC.20506@gmail.com> I like sftp myself better than scp. I get the gosh darned commands confused on scp. On 10/07/11 02:58, Mike Miller wrote: > On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Michael Berkowski wrote: > >> On Jul 9, 2011 7:35 PM, "Mike Miller" wrote: >> >>> This is a problem that I have fairly often. It happens between >>> various pairs of computers, but always at least one of the two is at >>> the U. I'll start transferring a big file via scp and will >>> eventually see the KB/s decline until the ETA disappears and it says >>> "- stalled -" instead of the ETA. Any idea what that is about? It >>> could happen at any time in the process -- the last few attempts >>> failed at 109MB, 16MB and 45MB while downloading an ubuntu .iso >>> file. I was also unable to do it via web browser. >> >> I often have a similar problem with wifi on recent kernels and a >> BCM4311 chipset. Never found a solution other than to plug into >> ethernet when I need to retrieve or transfer a large file. > > > It occurred to me that maybe sftp is better for large files than is > scp, so I tried the transfer with sftp and it worked on the first > attempt. That was after four consecutive failures with scp and a > maximum download of 23% of the file. > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Scott Berry E-mail Address: scottbb1973 at gmail.com Repeater Book Admin for the following states: north and South Dakota, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa Computer Certs: MCP, A+ Certified From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 15:02:26 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:02:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] scp stalling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Robert Nesius wrote: > I'd use sftp over scp for big files like that. You might also use wget > (through an ssh tunnel or some other manner), as wget can resume > downloads that didn't complete without retransmitting bits already sent. > (Not sure sftp does the same or not - it's worth reading the man page to > see if it does). It doesn't look like sftp/scp can do that. wget does it with the -c option, but for me it is stalling a lot, like almost every 20 MB or so. sftp did the whole file on the first attempt and with good speed. I'm using wget just to test that I get the exact same file after stalling 20 times. This result just in: md5sums are identical. So "wget -c" did the job. It would be a much bigger hassle if I had to establish an ssh tunnel every time I restarted wget, but this wasn't a secure transfer, so wget was fine. I wonder if they changed something in the network at the U. I didn't used to have this kind of problem, but now it's happening all the time. Mike From tclug at freakzilla.com Sun Jul 10 16:47:45 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 16:47:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] upgrading motherboard and reinstalling Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4E198725.3010602@gmail.com> References: <4E198725.3010602@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Jul 2011, Scott Berry wrote: > When using a regular SADA hard drive and replacing it a lot of times Ubuntu > doesn't see the drive for whatever reason. Probably because the UUID is different, which is why I was going to suggest booting form a live CD, running blkid and putting the correct UUID in /etc/fstab. -Yaron -- From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 17:00:38 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:00:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] upgrading motherboard and reinstalling Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Yaron wrote: > On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Mike Miller wrote: > >> I had to replace my motherboard and Ubuntu 10.10 won't reboot with the >> new mobo. I'm thinking the problem has to do with the drivers, but I'm >> not sure. There could be more wrong. The system claims that I don't >> have a bootable drive -- is that what we would expect to see? > > Ok, that's very strange. I've used the same Ubuntu installation to boot > on machines which not only had different motherboards, but different > architectures (i.e., AMD-based on one and Intel-based on the other). > I've got an Ubuntu installation on a thumbdrive that I've literally used > to boot from a dozen or so different machines, too. > > The only reason you should have a problem would be if you had a 64-bit > install and are now on a 32-bit machine. But that is EXTREMELY unlikely. > > What exactly is happening? How far is the boot process able to go? Do > you get to grub at least? No, it isn't seeing grub. This appears on the screen: Reboot and Select proper Boot device or Insert Boot Media in selected Boot device and press a key Ah, ha, ha -- I figured it out. The tech at Gen Nano had left the Nvidia RAID (fakeRAID?) enabled, and that was screwing it up. With RAID disabled, it sees grub and it boots. After that it does not go to Gnome -- it just goes to a console text prompt. Any idea why I don't get gnome? Thanks for helping out with this. > My instinct is to hold Shift while you boot, edit the grub boot line and > remove the "quiet splash" part, that'll give you a more verbose boot > process that'll be much much MUCH easier to debug. Previously, holding down the shift key had no effect because it didn't get that far. Now it boots, so maybe it doesn't matter anymore. Mike From adam at askewview.net Sun Jul 10 21:46:32 2011 From: adam at askewview.net (Adam Barthelemy) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:46:32 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] For a good home: Sharp Zaurus SL-6000L PDA Message-ID: <4E1A6408.7000503@askewview.net> I have a Sharp Zaurus SL-6000L in great condition that is free to a good home. CNET Specs: http://reviews.cnet.com/tablets/sharp-zaurus-sl-6000l/1707-3126_7-30826297.html I have the PDA itself, docking station, power supply, mini usb cable, 16MB sd card, 128MB cf card. I do not have the original software CD for it. I live in Golden Valley and work in Downtown Minneapolis. I'd be willing to meet/drop off within a reasonable distance of my location. The first to email and ask for it gets it. --Adam From tclug at freakzilla.com Sun Jul 10 22:43:11 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 22:43:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] upgrading motherboard and reinstalling Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Jul 2011, Mike Miller wrote: > Ah, ha, ha -- I figured it out. The tech at Gen Nano had left the Nvidia > RAID (fakeRAID?) enabled, and that was screwing it up. Haha. Yeah, I guess it wasn't seeing boot devices at all. Oops (: > Any idea why I don't get gnome? Because you're a good person and true of heart, and the gods are rewarding you. Seriously though, I'm wondering if you had radically different video cards and somehow X got configured for what you had before. See if there's an /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and if there is, rename it to something else. > Previously, holding down the shift key had no effect because it didn't get > that far. Now it boots, so maybe it doesn't matter anymore. Yeah, that shouldn't really matter... except you might see some errors when X tries to start. Then again you can just login on the console and type "startx" and see what it throws at you. -Yaron -- From jglouisjr at gmail.com Sun Jul 10 23:55:01 2011 From: jglouisjr at gmail.com (James Louis) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:55:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] upgrading motherboard and reinstalling Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yaron's hatred of Gnome aside I have found KDE ability to work with corporate wireless to be much better. Sometimes you just have to find out what works best for you under any given circumstance. Too bad this is true in our quest to overtake M$. On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Yaron wrote: > On Sun, 10 Jul 2011, Mike Miller wrote: > > Ah, ha, ha -- I figured it out. The tech at Gen Nano had left the Nvidia >> RAID (fakeRAID?) enabled, and that was screwing it up. >> > > Haha. Yeah, I guess it wasn't seeing boot devices at all. Oops (: > > > Any idea why I don't get gnome? >> > > Because you're a good person and true of heart, and the gods are rewarding > you. > > Seriously though, I'm wondering if you had radically different video cards > and somehow X got configured for what you had before. See if there's an > /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and if there is, rename it to something else. > > > > Previously, holding down the shift key had no effect because it didn't get >> that far. Now it boots, so maybe it doesn't matter anymore. >> > > Yeah, that shouldn't really matter... except you might see some errors when > X tries to start. Then again you can just login on the console and type > "startx" and see what it throws at you. > > > -Yaron > > -- > > ______________________________**_________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- To be is to do = Immanuel Kant To do is to be = Descartes. Do be do be do = Frank Sinatra -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Mon Jul 11 00:09:54 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 00:09:54 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Home LAN server in FreeBSD 7.4 In-Reply-To: <20110709234622.dd561bc3.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20110709234622.dd561bc3.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: <48C29DF5-2180-47A5-9FE9-FA94106291D3@me.com> Have you had any luck? On Jul 9, 2011, at 11:46 PM, Jason Hsu wrote: > Has anyone here installed a home LAN server in FreeBSD 7.4? > > I've already done it in Debian Lenny. I've recorded my procedure at http://www.jasonhsu.com/linux-server-debian-lenny1.odt . > > I'm looking for the analogous procedure for FreeBSD 7.4. > > -- > Jason Hsu > Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org) > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at freakzilla.com Mon Jul 11 00:11:06 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 00:11:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] upgrading motherboard and reinstalling Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Jul 2011, James Louis wrote: > Yaron's hatred of Gnome aside FYI, I'd have said the same if he'd have said KDE or Unity or XDM or anything else that's not the text console (: -Yaron -- From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 01:09:15 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 01:09:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] upgrading motherboard and reinstalling Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 10 Jul 2011, Yaron wrote: > On Sun, 10 Jul 2011, Mike Miller wrote: > >> Ah, ha, ha -- I figured it out. The tech at Gen Nano had left the >> Nvidia RAID (fakeRAID?) enabled, and that was screwing it up. > > Haha. Yeah, I guess it wasn't seeing boot devices at all. Oops (: > >> Any idea why I don't get gnome? > > Because you're a good person and true of heart, and the gods are > rewarding you. > > Seriously though, I'm wondering if you had radically different video > cards and somehow X got configured for what you had before. See if > there's an /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and if there is, rename it to something > else. The thing is - I have the same video card. It's possible that it got screwed up at the same time as the mobo, I guess. I do see a bunch of stuff in the logs about Nvidia. I guess there are a bunch of Nvidia chips on the mobo (e.g., the fakeRAID was Nvidia). >> Previously, holding down the shift key had no effect because it didn't >> get that far. Now it boots, so maybe it doesn't matter anymore. > > Yeah, that shouldn't really matter... except you might see some errors > when X tries to start. Then again you can just login on the console and > type "startx" and see what it throws at you. OK. I'll try that. Meanwhile, I'm having a heck of a time just getting the new installation on the software RAID 1 to work. There aren't a lot of food instructions out there, and most of them don't seem to apply in my exact situation for some reason (as in, an option that was supposed to be present will be absent). This seemed to get close... http://forum.zentyal.org/index.php/topic,6075.msg24561.html?PHPSESSID=5lqsqu4o6a9lvn2q6f1qbdi2m1#msg24561 ...but I wasn't able to make the boot partition bootable and the installation would not boot. When I'm told to turn the bootable flag "on" and it says "off", I would think that something would change it to "on," but nothing does -- must be something wrong with the partition, I guess. Mike From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 01:12:08 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 01:12:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] upgrading motherboard and reinstalling Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011, Yaron wrote: > On Sun, 10 Jul 2011, James Louis wrote: > >> Yaron's hatred of Gnome aside > > FYI, I'd have said the same if he'd have said KDE or Unity or XDM or > anything else that's not the text console (: I'm doing almost everything from the command line, but I need things like a web browser and sometimes I watch a movie using VLC. I also use VNC viewer all the time on this machine. So I need X to be working. Is it possible to have that without having something like Gnome on? Within VNC I use ICE because I think it uses fewer resources. Mike From adam at askewview.net Mon Jul 11 01:18:41 2011 From: adam at askewview.net (=?utf-8?B?QWRhbSBCYXJ0aGVsZW15?=) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 01:18:41 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] =?utf-8?q?For_a_good_home=3A_Sharp_Zaurus_SL-6000L_P?= =?utf-8?q?DA?= Message-ID: <20110711061826.A97D1E9DD@itis.askewview.net> It has found a new home Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Adam Barthelemy" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Subject: [tclug-list] For a good home: Sharp Zaurus SL-6000L PDA Date: Sun, Jul 10, 2011 9:46 pm I have a Sharp Zaurus SL-6000L in great condition that is free to a good home. CNET Specs: http://reviews.cnet.com/tablets/sharp-zaurus-sl-6000l/1707-3126_7-30826297.html I have the PDA itself, docking station, power supply, mini usb cable, 16MB sd card, 128MB cf card. I do not have the original software CD for it. I live in Golden Valley and work in Downtown Minneapolis. I'd be willing to meet/drop off within a reasonable distance of my location. The first to email and ask for it gets it. --Adam _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 01:24:00 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 01:24:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] can't make partition bootable with in Ubuntu 10.10 Alternate install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011, Mike Miller wrote: > I'm having a heck of a time just getting the new installation on the > software RAID 1 to work. There aren't a lot of food instructions out > there, and most of them don't seem to apply in my exact situation for > some reason (as in, an option that was supposed to be present will be > absent). This seemed to get close... > > http://forum.zentyal.org/index.php/topic,6075.msg24561.html?PHPSESSID=5lqsqu4o6a9lvn2q6f1qbdi2m1#msg24561 > > ...but I wasn't able to make the boot partition bootable and the > installation would not boot. When I'm told to turn the bootable flag > "on" and it says "off", I would think that something would change it to > "on," but nothing does -- must be something wrong with the partition, I > guess. I'm making a new thread because this seems to be the core problem: I get to the point where I size the / partition on sda and then I go to the line that says "bootable flag: off". I hit enter and I see "Computing the new state of the partition table..." flash very quickly on the screen with a progress bar (so fast that I have to hit enter repeatedly to read it). The line still reads "bootable flag: off". There seems to be no way to turn the bootable flag to "on," but it seems that I need it to be on. That seems to be a problem, or I thought it was, because I later could not boot. However, I see this... http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1407682.html ...which suggests that I shouldn't worry about it. OK, I'll try it a second time, but the first time I never got GRUB2 installed. I think there might have been a second problem with the MBR. I'll let you know. It is a very annoying bug -- how could they leave it there for three releases? Mike From tclug at freakzilla.com Mon Jul 11 01:31:12 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 01:31:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] upgrading motherboard and reinstalling Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011, Mike Miller wrote: > I'm doing almost everything from the command line, but I need things like a > web browser and sometimes I watch a movie using VLC. I also use VNC viewer > all the time on this machine. So I need X to be working. Is it possible to > have that without having something like Gnome on? I'm not anti-X. I use X all the time, I just start it from the commandline rather than through GDM or something. I personally use Window Maker, but as the previous person said, you use whatever you're comfortable with. I've been usin Window Maker since the 90s and never had a good reason to switch (; -Yaron -- From tclug at freakzilla.com Mon Jul 11 01:32:00 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 01:32:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] upgrading motherboard and reinstalling Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011, Mike Miller wrote: > The thing is - I have the same video card. It's possible that it got screwed > up at the same time as the mobo, I guess. Does the motherboard perhaps have a built-in video card? -Yaron -- From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 01:42:08 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 01:42:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] upgrading motherboard and reinstalling Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011, Yaron wrote: > On Mon, 11 Jul 2011, Mike Miller wrote: > >> The thing is - I have the same video card. It's possible that it got >> screwed up at the same time as the mobo, I guess. > > Does the motherboard perhaps have a built-in video card? I was wondering. I didn't see anything about it in the BIOS, but yes there is a VGA output. That makes me think there's a jumper somewhere. Great call, Yaron. I'll look at the manual. Thanks. Mike From tclug at freakzilla.com Mon Jul 11 01:46:00 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 01:46:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] upgrading motherboard and reinstalling Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011, Mike Miller wrote: > I was wondering. I didn't see anything about it in the BIOS, but yes there > is a VGA output. That makes me think there's a jumper somewhere. Jumper? This is 2011! Your BIOS should have a thing saying which display to initialise first, the internal or a PCI-E or something. That might help... sadly there's usually no way to DISABLE the internal display alltogether. When you're in text mode, it usually goes to all connected monitors. But when you switch to graphics you have to tell X which card to use. Honestly unless you're doing high-powered 3D graphics you might be fine just removing your video card and using the internal one. If not though you might want to connect your monitor to that one temporarily and use Gnome's display manager thing to tell it to use the other card. (also, perfect time to get a second monitor!) -Yaron -- From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 01:55:48 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 01:55:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] can't make partition bootable with in Ubuntu 10.10 Alternate install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011, Mike Miller wrote: > I get to the point where I size the / partition on sda and then I go to > the line that says "bootable flag: off". I hit enter and I see > "Computing the new state of the partition table..." flash very quickly > on the screen with a progress bar (so fast that I have to hit enter > repeatedly to read it). The line still reads "bootable flag: off". > There seems to be no way to turn the bootable flag to "on," but it seems > that I need it to be on. > > That seems to be a problem, or I thought it was, because I later could > not boot. However, I see this... > > http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1407682.html > > ...which suggests that I shouldn't worry about it. OK, I'll try it a > second time, but the first time I never got GRUB2 installed. I think > there might have been a second problem with the MBR. I'll let you know. It gets worse. This time I created two partitions in the RAID 1: / and /swap. That should have worked, but when I get to the part where it wants to start writing to disk, it can't do it. It couldn't install the package manager and it couldn't install GRUB. Mike From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 02:02:28 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 02:02:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] upgrading motherboard and reinstalling Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011, Yaron wrote: > On Mon, 11 Jul 2011, Mike Miller wrote: > >> I was wondering. I didn't see anything about it in the BIOS, but yes >> there is a VGA output. That makes me think there's a jumper somewhere. > > Jumper? This is 2011! Your BIOS should have a thing saying which display > to initialise first, the internal or a PCI-E or something. That might > help... sadly there's usually no way to DISABLE the internal display > alltogether. Like I said, I couldn't find anything in the BIOS about displays. I guess it is in there somewhere using some kind of tricky language that I don't understand. I'll look into it. > When you're in text mode, it usually goes to all connected monitors. But > when you switch to graphics you have to tell X which card to use. It does show a splash screen at one point before going to text-based console mode, strangely. I thought it was a graphic with a shaded background, but maybe not. > Honestly unless you're doing high-powered 3D graphics you might be fine > just removing your video card and using the internal one. If not though > you might want to connect your monitor to that one temporarily and use > Gnome's display manager thing to tell it to use the other card. > > (also, perfect time to get a second monitor!) No, no, no... I'm using a dual DVI card with one 1680x1050 monitor and the second converted to HDMI and going to my 1080p HDTV. I can't go back to VGA now that I'm addicted to this. ;-) Mike From tclug at freakzilla.com Mon Jul 11 02:06:39 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 02:06:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] upgrading motherboard and reinstalling Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011, Mike Miller wrote: > Like I said, I couldn't find anything in the BIOS about displays. I guess it > is in there somewhere using some kind of tricky language that I don't > understand. I'll look into it. It's in there. It'll say something about which to initialize first. > No, no, no... I'm using a dual DVI card with one 1680x1050 monitor and the > second converted to HDMI and going to my 1080p HDTV. I can't go back to VGA > now that I'm addicted to this. ;-) Hehe, ok. But temporarily using it to tell Gnom which card to use, using nvidia-settings or something, that could work. -Yaron -- From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Mon Jul 11 08:15:55 2011 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 08:15:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Home LAN server in FreeBSD 7.4 In-Reply-To: <48C29DF5-2180-47A5-9FE9-FA94106291D3@me.com> References: <20110709234622.dd561bc3.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <48C29DF5-2180-47A5-9FE9-FA94106291D3@me.com> Message-ID: <20110711081555.2ea989cd.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> No, I can't find any straightforward instructions. All I'm looking for is a quick-and-dirty LAN, much like the quick-and-dirty Debian Lenny LAN I already know how to implement. I'm certain that somebody somewhere has successfully done this. On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 00:09:54 -0500 Ryan Coleman wrote: > Have you had any luck? > > > On Jul 9, 2011, at 11:46 PM, Jason Hsu wrote: > > > Has anyone here installed a home LAN server in FreeBSD 7.4? > > > > I've already done it in Debian Lenny. I've recorded my procedure at http://www.jasonhsu.com/linux-server-debian-lenny1.odt . > > > > I'm looking for the analogous procedure for FreeBSD 7.4. > > > > -- > > Jason Hsu > > Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org) > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jason Hsu Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org) From ryanjcole at me.com Mon Jul 11 08:48:58 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 08:48:58 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Home LAN server in FreeBSD 7.4 In-Reply-To: <20110711081555.2ea989cd.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20110709234622.dd561bc3.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <48C29DF5-2180-47A5-9FE9-FA94106291D3@me.com> <20110711081555.2ea989cd.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: If you've never used FreeBSD there is nothing "quick and dirty". I can refer you to someone who might be able to help you out, but he does not come free. On Jul 11, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Jason Hsu wrote: > No, I can't find any straightforward instructions. All I'm looking for is a quick-and-dirty LAN, much like the quick-and-dirty Debian Lenny LAN I already know how to implement. I'm certain that somebody somewhere has successfully done this. > > On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 00:09:54 -0500 > Ryan Coleman wrote: > >> Have you had any luck? >> >> >> On Jul 9, 2011, at 11:46 PM, Jason Hsu wrote: >> >>> Has anyone here installed a home LAN server in FreeBSD 7.4? >>> >>> I've already done it in Debian Lenny. I've recorded my procedure at http://www.jasonhsu.com/linux-server-debian-lenny1.odt . >>> >>> I'm looking for the analogous procedure for FreeBSD 7.4. >>> >>> -- >>> Jason Hsu >>> Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -- > Jason Hsu > Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org) > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From drue at therub.org Mon Jul 11 08:55:06 2011 From: drue at therub.org (Dan Rue) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 08:55:06 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Home LAN server in FreeBSD 7.4 In-Reply-To: References: <20110709234622.dd561bc3.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <48C29DF5-2180-47A5-9FE9-FA94106291D3@me.com> <20110711081555.2ea989cd.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: <20110711135506.GA37633@therub.org> I'm not sure what a LAN means in this context, but perhaps something like FreeNAS would be suitable? Also, why FreeBSD 7.4? You might consider 8.2. The canonical freebsd documentation is the handbook, located at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/. It should be sufficient to work through any common freebsd questions or tasks. Dan On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 08:48:58AM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: > If you've never used FreeBSD there is nothing "quick and dirty". > > I can refer you to someone who might be able to help you out, but he does not come free. > > > On Jul 11, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Jason Hsu wrote: > > > No, I can't find any straightforward instructions. All I'm looking for is a quick-and-dirty LAN, much like the quick-and-dirty Debian Lenny LAN I already know how to implement. I'm certain that somebody somewhere has successfully done this. > > > > On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 00:09:54 -0500 > > Ryan Coleman wrote: > > > >> Have you had any luck? > >> > >> > >> On Jul 9, 2011, at 11:46 PM, Jason Hsu wrote: > >> > >>> Has anyone here installed a home LAN server in FreeBSD 7.4? > >>> > >>> I've already done it in Debian Lenny. I've recorded my procedure at http://www.jasonhsu.com/linux-server-debian-lenny1.odt . > >>> > >>> I'm looking for the analogous procedure for FreeBSD 7.4. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Jason Hsu > >>> Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org) > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > -- > > Jason Hsu > > Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org) > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ryanjcole at me.com Mon Jul 11 09:04:04 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 09:04:04 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Home LAN server in FreeBSD 7.4 In-Reply-To: <20110711135506.GA37633@therub.org> References: <20110709234622.dd561bc3.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <48C29DF5-2180-47A5-9FE9-FA94106291D3@me.com> <20110711081555.2ea989cd.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20110711135506.GA37633@therub.org> Message-ID: <1A2A1C1F-05C3-43F7-8858-6D951AC78207@me.com> Dan, Check the thread out... he posted an ODS link to the instructions he wants to imitate. But he never did follow up with my emails on Saturday until this one. On Jul 11, 2011, at 8:55 AM, Dan Rue wrote: > I'm not sure what a LAN means in this context, but perhaps something > like FreeNAS would be suitable? > > Also, why FreeBSD 7.4? You might consider 8.2. > > The canonical freebsd documentation is the handbook, located at > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/. It should be > sufficient to work through any common freebsd questions or tasks. > > Dan > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 08:48:58AM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> If you've never used FreeBSD there is nothing "quick and dirty". >> >> I can refer you to someone who might be able to help you out, but he does not come free. >> >> >> On Jul 11, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Jason Hsu wrote: >> >>> No, I can't find any straightforward instructions. All I'm looking for is a quick-and-dirty LAN, much like the quick-and-dirty Debian Lenny LAN I already know how to implement. I'm certain that somebody somewhere has successfully done this. >>> >>> On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 00:09:54 -0500 >>> Ryan Coleman wrote: >>> >>>> Have you had any luck? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 9, 2011, at 11:46 PM, Jason Hsu wrote: >>>> >>>>> Has anyone here installed a home LAN server in FreeBSD 7.4? >>>>> >>>>> I've already done it in Debian Lenny. I've recorded my procedure at http://www.jasonhsu.com/linux-server-debian-lenny1.odt . >>>>> >>>>> I'm looking for the analogous procedure for FreeBSD 7.4. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jason Hsu >>>>> Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org) >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jason Hsu >>> Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nesius at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 09:09:30 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 09:09:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] scp stalling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > On Sat, 9 Jul 2011, Robert Nesius wrote: > > I'd use sftp over scp for big files like that. You might also use wget >> (through an ssh tunnel or some other manner), as wget can resume downloads >> that didn't complete without retransmitting bits already sent. (Not sure >> sftp does the same or not - it's worth reading the man page to see if it >> does). >> > > > It doesn't look like sftp/scp can do that. wget does it with the -c > option, but for me it is stalling a lot, like almost every 20 MB or so. sftp > did the whole file on the first attempt and with good speed. I'm using wget > just to test that I get the exact same file after stalling 20 times. This > result just in: md5sums are identical. So "wget -c" did the job. It would > be a much bigger hassle if I had to establish an ssh tunnel every time I > restarted wget, but this wasn't a secure transfer, so wget was fine. > > I wonder if they changed something in the network at the U. I didn't used > to have this kind of problem, but now it's happening all the time. I'd be less suspicious of the U and more suspicious of the ISPs. Bummer that wget timed out as well, but at least you have it in your back pocket now for a similar situation in the future. -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 09:47:13 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 09:47:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] scp stalling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011, Robert Nesius wrote: > I'd be less suspicious of the U and more suspicious of the ISPs. > Bummer that wget timed out as well, but at least you have it in your > back pocket now for a similar situation in the future. The future arrived quickly because I used wget -c to download an Ubuntu iso from the U's Ubuntu server last night. It helped a lot. Thanks. It would be great if there were a way to find out where along the route the download is getting stuck. Mike From nesius at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 10:39:06 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 10:39:06 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Choosing a license In-Reply-To: <4E19B95A.2020705@gmail.com> References: <4E195B0A.2030904@gmail.com> <4E19A012.60907@mtu.net> <4E19B95A.2020705@gmail.com> Message-ID: Something that may help clarify your thinking is that for the OSI-approved Free-OSS licenses, usage isn't what's being governed. The big trigger issue is redistribution and what happens when someone redistributes your code - especially commercial redistribution. Here are some examples: Example A) You make FooProg and use the GPL. A company takes FooProg, makes changes and improvements, and redistributes it (sells it or, or bundles it with something else they sell). They have to publish their changes to Foo_Prog, and FooProg must stay GPL'd. Even if they changed FooProg's name to FooProg2, FooProg2 must be GPL'd and they must publish sources. (I think this example is why LinkSys was forced to publish their sources for the routers back in the day. They used GPL sources and got caught.) Example B) You make FooProg and use the GPL. A company picks it up, tweaks it, and make it available for internal use. They have not legally redistributed your code, and do not have to publish the changes. It's the same as you playing around with changes to GPL'd software in your own home - you don't have to share those changes. Example C) You make a library and use the LGPL. A company uses it to provide functionality in a product. If I understand correctly, their product does not have to be (L)GPL'd, but they likely must make the sources to the library available publicly. Example D) You make a library and use the BSD license. A company picks it up, makes some changes to it and uses it in a product they sell. I don't think they have to publish their changes in this instance, nor must their product be licensed with the BSD license either. Note - I'm a little fuzzier on the BSD license, though to echo what someone wrote earlier generally companies are okay with approach Open Source Software if it's BSD, and are very wary of GPL'd software when it comes to product development. Standard I'm not a lawyer disclaimers apply - but you can see how the intent of the BSD and GPL licenses differ. The GPL wants to keep your software where everyone can benefit from it and wants to prevent it from being co-opted - that was Stallman's focus. The BSD is more like "Here's some stuff. Use it, play with it, whatever...." -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 11:19:42 2011 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 11:19:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Problem after ssh'ing to Windows 7 Message-ID: Hi. I've installed cygwin on a Windows 7 machine and have configured ssh on the machine. I'm able to log into the machine from a Linux box, but am having trouble compiling code. I run a little .bat file like normal when working on the Windows machine and that outputs it's usual message that it is setting up the enviroment. But when I go to compile, the compiler isn't in the path. Perhaps it has something to do with how things are mounted ... C: is mounted on /cygdrive/c/ I believe. Any thoughts on this? Tia. -- Brian Wood Ebenezer Enterprises http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Mon Jul 11 12:15:31 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:15:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Problem after ssh'ing to Windows 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 11 Jul 2011, Brian Wood wrote: > Hi. I've installed cygwin on a Windows 7 machine and have configured > ssh on the machine. I'm able to log into the machine from a Linux box, > but am having trouble compiling code. I run a little .bat file like > normal when working on the Windows machine and that outputs it's usual > message that it is setting up the enviroment. But when I go to compile, > the compiler isn't in the path. Perhaps it has something to do with how > things are mounted ... C: is mounted on /cygdrive/c/ I believe. Any > thoughts on this? Tia. Do you mean that when you are in front of the machine, using it's keyboard and using Cygwin, it compiles OK but when you log in remotely and try the same thing, it does not compile OK? Have you tried looking at the path? That is, have you done this within both environments and compared results?: echo $PATH One thing I know is that Cygwin recognizes c:/ as the same as /cygdrive/c/ Mike From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 10:32:30 2011 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:32:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] upgrading motherboard and reinstalling Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Miller cried from the depths of the abyss... > > Ah, ha, ha -- I figured it out. The tech at Gen Nano had left the Nvidia > RAID (fakeRAID?) enabled, and that was screwing it up. With RAID disabled, > it sees grub and it boots. After that it does not go to Gnome -- it just > goes to a console text prompt. Any idea why I don't get gnome? > These nvidia boards usually have 3 optins: RAID, ACHI, IDE/SATA Play it safe, and use the native IDE/SATA setting. This will not require additional drivers (as with Fake RAID & ACHI) From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 12:00:28 2011 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:00:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] can't make partition bootable with in Ubuntu 10.10 Alternate install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Miller cried from the depths of the abyss... > It gets worse. This time I created two partitions in the RAID 1: / and > /swap. That should have worked, but when I get to the part where it wants to > start writing to disk, it can't do it. It couldn't install the package > manager and it couldn't install GRUB. Try to do the raid prep/setup outside of the Ubuntu installer first. This is how I setup software RAID 1's, and this has worked every time for me. I have to be honest I haven't done this on Ubuntu, but I did just load the latest Ubuntu live cd to check, and all the commands exist so this should work fine. I have done this >30 times on Slackware, and a handful of times on Centos & Fedora. I actually used a Slackware install disk to setup the raid's on Fedora & Centos, but this is not necessary. The Ubuntu disk will work just fine. I personally like fdisk to create my partitions, but can use cfdisk (or anything else Ubuntu might have that you like). One disk 1 (lets call it /dev/sda) Create at least two partitions (one for swap & one for /). Change the types on both partitions to "Linux RAID autodetect" type "FD". I like to leave a coupe hundred megs fee at the end of the disk just in case I need to replace one latter that isn't exactly the same size. This of course is optional. Now copy your partitions to the 2nd drive (lets call it /dev/sdb) like: sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb When this command finishes it will display your Raid disk/partition scheme. both drives should match. Next create your raid 1's 1st - root partition (or swap depending how you created your partitions) mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level 1 --raid-devices 2 \ /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 --metadata=0.90 Do the same for your other partition mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level 1 --raid-devices 2 \ /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb2 Now format your swap array (assuming your swap is /dev/md1) mkswap /dev/md1 Now start your install like normal. You should see /dev/md1 available for your swap, and /dev/md0 available for your root. At this point I must take a step back. I'm old school, and prefer LILO on my boxes. There are a few post install steps to config LILO properly. I can send those if you are interested. For GRUB you will need to do the following post install (prior to reboot). I am guessing that UBUNTU(not sure, don't really use it) will attempt to install grub for you(install in to your MBR). If it does it most likely will fail (I've been surprised before though, and perhaps those sneaky people over at Ubuntu have this figured out). If it fails that is OK. Let's just play it safe & assume it's all F-ed up, and we are going to make it right. put grub on disk 1's MBR: grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/sda cd /boot/boot/grub touch menu.lst Create a menu.lst for GRUB. I usually do something like this: timeout 10 title Slackware Linux is better than Ubuntu root (hd0,0) kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/md0 ro boot (not sure the naming scheme for Ubuntu, so double check the kernel part & make sure to point the root= to the proper /dev/md# for your root partition) Save this, and take a peek at your /etc/fstab file to make sure your swap & / are pointing to /dev/md0 & /dev/md1 /dev/md1 swap swap defaults 0 0 /dev/md0 / ext3 defaults 1 1 OK. Now reboot it, and enjoy the ride. Hope this helps & Good Luck! Mr. B-o-B From nesius at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 11:48:09 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:48:09 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] can't make partition bootable with in Ubuntu 10.10 Alternate install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I noticed your second "mdadm" command did not have a --metadata flag - just wanted to confirm that was intentional versus an accidental omission. Thanks for detailing that process - I'm going to keep this tucked away for future reference. *mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level 1 --raid-devices 2 \* * /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 --metadata=0.90* * * * Do the same for your other partition* * * * mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level 1 --raid-devices 2 \* * /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb2* -Rob On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > Mike Miller cried from the depths of the abyss... > > > > It gets worse. This time I created two partitions in the RAID 1: / and >> /swap. That should have worked, but when I get to the part where it wants >> to start writing to disk, it can't do it. It couldn't install the package >> manager and it couldn't install GRUB. >> > > Try to do the raid prep/setup outside of the Ubuntu installer first. > > This is how I setup software RAID 1's, and this has worked every time for > me. I have to be honest I haven't done this on Ubuntu, but I did just load > the latest Ubuntu live cd to check, and all the commands exist so this > should work fine. I have done this >30 times on Slackware, and a handful of > times on Centos & Fedora. I actually used a Slackware install disk to setup > the raid's on Fedora & Centos, but this is not necessary. The Ubuntu disk > will work just fine. > > I personally like fdisk to create my partitions, but can use cfdisk (or > anything else Ubuntu might have that you like). One disk 1 (lets call it > /dev/sda) Create at least two partitions (one for swap & one for /). Change > the types on both partitions to "Linux RAID autodetect" type "FD". > > I like to leave a coupe hundred megs fee at the end of the disk just in > case I need to replace one latter that isn't exactly the same size. This of > course is optional. > > Now copy your partitions to the 2nd drive (lets call it /dev/sdb) like: > sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb > > When this command finishes it will display your Raid disk/partition scheme. > both drives should match. > > Next create your raid 1's > 1st - root partition (or swap depending how you created your partitions) > > mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level 1 --raid-devices 2 \ > /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 --metadata=0.90 > > Do the same for your other partition > > mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level 1 --raid-devices 2 \ > /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb2 > > Now format your swap array (assuming your swap is /dev/md1) > mkswap /dev/md1 > > Now start your install like normal. You should see /dev/md1 available for > your swap, and /dev/md0 available for your root. > > At this point I must take a step back. I'm old school, and prefer LILO on > my boxes. There are a few post install steps to config LILO properly. I > can send those if you are interested. > > For GRUB you will need to do the following post install (prior to reboot). > > I am guessing that UBUNTU(not sure, don't really use it) will attempt to > install grub for you(install in to your MBR). If it does it most likely > will fail (I've been surprised before though, and perhaps those sneaky > people over at Ubuntu have this figured out). If it fails that is OK. > Let's just play it safe & assume it's all F-ed up, and we are going to make > it right. > > put grub on disk 1's MBR: > grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/sda > > cd /boot/boot/grub > > touch menu.lst > > Create a menu.lst for GRUB. I usually do something like this: > > timeout 10 > title Slackware Linux is better than Ubuntu > root (hd0,0) > kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/md0 ro > boot > > (not sure the naming scheme for Ubuntu, so double check the kernel part & > make sure to point the root= to the proper /dev/md# for your root partition) > > Save this, and take a peek at your /etc/fstab file to make sure your swap & > / are pointing to /dev/md0 & /dev/md1 > > /dev/md1 swap swap defaults 0 0 > /dev/md0 / ext3 defaults 1 1 > > OK. Now reboot it, and enjoy the ride. > > Hope this helps & Good Luck! > > Mr. B-o-B > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 11:56:43 2011 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:56:43 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] can't make partition bootable with in Ubuntu 10.10 Alternate install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E1C7CCB.3020709@gmail.com> On 7/12/2011 12:00 PM, Mr. B-o-B cried from the depths of the abyss: > > Do the same for your other partition > Sorry, I forgot the --metadata=0.90 mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level 1 --raid-devices 2 \ /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb2 --metadata=0.90 From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 12:00:08 2011 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:00:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] can't make partition bootable with in Ubuntu 10.10 Alternate install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E1C7D98.7010609@gmail.com> On 7/12/2011 11:48 AM, Robert Nesius cried from the depths of the abyss: > > I noticed your second "mdadm" command did not have a --metadata flag - > just wanted to confirm that was intentional versus an accidental > omission. Thanks for detailing that process - I'm going to keep this > tucked away for future reference. > > /mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level 1 --raid-devices 2 \/ > / /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 *--metadata=0.90*/ > // > /Do the same for your other partition/ > // > /mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level 1 --raid-devices 2 \/ > / /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb2/ > > -Rob It was a mistake on my part. You should use the --metadata flag for both (all) partitions. You are very welcome! From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 12:07:23 2011 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 12:07:23 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] can't make partition bootable with in Ubuntu 10.10 Alternate install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E1C7F4B.4030809@gmail.com> On 7/12/2011 12:00 PM, Mr. B-o-B cried from the depths of the abyss: > Mike Miller cried from the depths of the abyss... > > >> It gets worse. This time I created two partitions in the RAID 1: / and >> /swap. That should have worked, but when I get to the part where it >> wants to start writing to disk, it can't do it. It couldn't install >> the package manager and it couldn't install GRUB. > > Try to do the raid prep/setup outside of the Ubuntu installer first. > > This is how I setup software RAID 1's, and this has worked every time > for me. I have to be honest I haven't done this on Ubuntu, but I did > just load the latest Ubuntu live cd to check, and all the commands exist > so this should work fine. I have done this >30 times on Slackware, and a > handful of times on Centos & Fedora. I actually used a Slackware install > disk to setup the raid's on Fedora & Centos, but this is not necessary. > The Ubuntu disk will work just fine. > > I personally like fdisk to create my partitions, but can use cfdisk (or > anything else Ubuntu might have that you like). One disk 1 (lets call it > /dev/sda) Create at least two partitions (one for swap & one for /). > Change the types on both partitions to "Linux RAID autodetect" type "FD". > > I like to leave a coupe hundred megs fee at the end of the disk just in > case I need to replace one latter that isn't exactly the same size. This > of course is optional. > > Now copy your partitions to the 2nd drive (lets call it /dev/sdb) like: > sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb > > When this command finishes it will display your Raid disk/partition > scheme. both drives should match. > > Next create your raid 1's > 1st - root partition (or swap depending how you created your partitions) > > mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level 1 --raid-devices 2 \ > /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 --metadata=0.90 > > Do the same for your other partition > > mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level 1 --raid-devices 2 \ > /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb2 > > Now format your swap array (assuming your swap is /dev/md1) > mkswap /dev/md1 > > Now start your install like normal. You should see /dev/md1 available > for your swap, and /dev/md0 available for your root. > > At this point I must take a step back. I'm old school, and prefer LILO > on my boxes. There are a few post install steps to config LILO properly. > I can send those if you are interested. > > For GRUB you will need to do the following post install (prior to reboot). > > I am guessing that UBUNTU(not sure, don't really use it) will attempt to > install grub for you(install in to your MBR). If it does it most likely > will fail (I've been surprised before though, and perhaps those sneaky > people over at Ubuntu have this figured out). If it fails that is OK. > Let's just play it safe & assume it's all F-ed up, and we are going to > make it right. > > put grub on disk 1's MBR: > grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/sda > > cd /boot/boot/grub > > touch menu.lst > > Create a menu.lst for GRUB. I usually do something like this: > > timeout 10 > title Slackware Linux is better than Ubuntu > root (hd0,0) > kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/md0 ro > boot > > (not sure the naming scheme for Ubuntu, so double check the kernel part > & make sure to point the root= to the proper /dev/md# for your root > partition) > > Save this, and take a peek at your /etc/fstab file to make sure your > swap & / are pointing to /dev/md0 & /dev/md1 > > /dev/md1 swap swap defaults 0 0 > /dev/md0 / ext3 defaults 1 1 > > OK. Now reboot it, and enjoy the ride. > > Hope this helps & Good Luck! > > Mr. B-o-B > FOR LILO (if anyone else uses it anymore besides me), here is how to handle that. Same as with GRUB, this needs to be completed post-install, but prior to reboot - also installed to your disk 1 MBR. Edit /etc/lilo.conf add a new line with: raid-extra-boot = mbr-only change the "boot" option to point to your raid 1 partition like: boot = /dev/md0 save & exit issue the "lilo" command to rewrite it to the MBR. Reboot & enjoy the ride. Please note these notes only apply to RAID 1 setups. RAID 0 & RAID 5 is similar, but the config is slightly different. Just wanted to throw that out there. Mr. B-o-B From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 13:02:43 2011 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 13:02:43 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Problem after ssh'ing to Windows 7 Message-ID: Mike Miller: > Do you mean that when you are in front of the machine, using it's keyboard > and using Cygwin, it compiles OK but when you log in remotely and try the > same thing, it does not compile OK? Neither of those work. The PATH variable doesn't seem to be affected by running the .bat file. It only works when I'm in front of the Windows 7 machine and run cmd.exe. Sorry for the off-topic question. I'll go ask in a Cygwin forum now that I think about where else to ask about this. Brian Wood -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Tue Jul 12 15:46:53 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:46:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Problem after ssh'ing to Windows 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Jul 2011, Brian Wood wrote: > Mike Miller: > >> Do you mean that when you are in front of the machine, using it's >> keyboard and using Cygwin, it compiles OK but when you log in remotely >> and try the same thing, it does not compile OK? > > > Neither of those work. The PATH variable doesn't seem to be affected by > running the .bat file. It only works when I'm in front of the Windows 7 > machine and run cmd.exe. Sorry for the off-topic question. I'll go ask > in a Cygwin forum now that I think about where else to ask about this. I think I understand the problem. When you run a batch file in Windows, I guess it can change environment strings. That is not how it works in a bash shell in Linux/UNIX or Cygwin. With bash, a shell script creates a new shell with its own environment and changes to environment strings occur only there. When that shell terminates, so do the changes. To make changes in your shell, you have to either type them on the command line or source a file, not execute a shell script. If it's a setting you will always want, you should change the path in ~/.bash_profile (you have to use the bash syntax, not Windows syntax). If you only want the path sometimes, write the path line in a file and then source the file. For example: cat path_file PATH=/cygdrive/c:/cygdrive/c/progs:/cygdrive/d/more-progs source path_file You also can't just run a Windows batch file, I don't believe, in Cygwin. You will want to change how that works -- either using shell scripts to perform tasks or sourcing files to change the environment. Mike From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 12:25:14 2011 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 12:25:14 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Problem after ssh'ing to Windows 7 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 15:46:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Miller To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Problem after ssh'ing to Windows 7 Message-ID: Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Tue, 12 Jul 2011, Brian Wood wrote: Mike Miller: > I think I understand the problem. When you run a batch file in Windows, I > guess it can change environment strings. That is not how it works in a > bash shell in Linux/UNIX or Cygwin. With bash, a shell script creates a > new shell with its own environment and changes to environment strings > occur only there. When that shell terminates, so do the changes. To make > changes in your shell, you have to either type them on the command line or > source a file, not execute a shell script. If it's a setting you will > always want, you should change the path in ~/.bash_profile (you have to > use the bash syntax, not Windows syntax). If you only want the path > sometimes, write the path line in a file and then source the file. For > example: > > cat path_file > PATH=/cygdrive/c:/cygdrive/c/ > progs:/cygdrive/d/more-progs > > source path_file Good stuff. I read a few threads about this and came up with this. cmd /K "c:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio 10.0\Common7\Tools\vsvars32.bat" c:\cygwin\Cygwin.bat A little convoluted, but with that I inherit the needed settings and everything compiles. -- Brian Wood Ebenezer Enterprises http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 22:13:50 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 22:13:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] can't make partition bootable with in Ubuntu 10.10 Alternate install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm so annoyed about the failures of the methods I've been using that I think I'll just try the steps below. I got the installation done, supposedly, except for GRUB. None of the instructions for post-installation are working. For example, when I look for the RAID in /dev/mapper/ all I see is "control" and no other items. There's one last hope -- one guy said that he couldn't boot until he turned fakeRAID "on" even though he was (like me) using software raid. I'll try that, but if it doesn't work, I'll install for the 5th time (or so) and will try to follow the instructions below. Mike On Tue, 12 Jul 2011, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > Mike Miller cried from the depths of the abyss... > > >> It gets worse. This time I created two partitions in the RAID 1: / and >> /swap. That should have worked, but when I get to the part where it wants >> to start writing to disk, it can't do it. It couldn't install the package >> manager and it couldn't install GRUB. > > Try to do the raid prep/setup outside of the Ubuntu installer first. > > This is how I setup software RAID 1's, and this has worked every time for me. > I have to be honest I haven't done this on Ubuntu, but I did just load the > latest Ubuntu live cd to check, and all the commands exist so this should > work fine. I have done this >30 times on Slackware, and a handful of times > on Centos & Fedora. I actually used a Slackware install disk to setup the > raid's on Fedora & Centos, but this is not necessary. The Ubuntu disk will > work just fine. > > I personally like fdisk to create my partitions, but can use cfdisk (or > anything else Ubuntu might have that you like). One disk 1 (lets call it > /dev/sda) Create at least two partitions (one for swap & one for /). Change > the types on both partitions to "Linux RAID autodetect" type "FD". > > I like to leave a coupe hundred megs fee at the end of the disk just in case > I need to replace one latter that isn't exactly the same size. This of course > is optional. > > Now copy your partitions to the 2nd drive (lets call it /dev/sdb) like: > sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb > > When this command finishes it will display your Raid disk/partition scheme. > both drives should match. > > Next create your raid 1's > 1st - root partition (or swap depending how you created your partitions) > > mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level 1 --raid-devices 2 \ > /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 --metadata=0.90 > > Do the same for your other partition > > mdadm --create /dev/md1 --level 1 --raid-devices 2 \ > /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb2 > > Now format your swap array (assuming your swap is /dev/md1) > mkswap /dev/md1 > > Now start your install like normal. You should see /dev/md1 available for > your swap, and /dev/md0 available for your root. > > At this point I must take a step back. I'm old school, and prefer LILO on my > boxes. There are a few post install steps to config LILO properly. I can > send those if you are interested. > > For GRUB you will need to do the following post install (prior to reboot). > > I am guessing that UBUNTU(not sure, don't really use it) will attempt to > install grub for you(install in to your MBR). If it does it most likely will > fail (I've been surprised before though, and perhaps those sneaky people over > at Ubuntu have this figured out). If it fails that is OK. Let's just play > it safe & assume it's all F-ed up, and we are going to make it right. > > put grub on disk 1's MBR: > grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/sda > > cd /boot/boot/grub > > touch menu.lst > > Create a menu.lst for GRUB. I usually do something like this: > > timeout 10 > title Slackware Linux is better than Ubuntu > root (hd0,0) > kernel /vmlinuz root=/dev/md0 ro > boot > > (not sure the naming scheme for Ubuntu, so double check the kernel part & > make sure to point the root= to the proper /dev/md# for your root partition) > > Save this, and take a peek at your /etc/fstab file to make sure your swap & / > are pointing to /dev/md0 & /dev/md1 > > /dev/md1 swap swap defaults 0 0 > /dev/md0 / ext3 defaults 1 1 > > OK. Now reboot it, and enjoy the ride. > > Hope this helps & Good Luck! > > Mr. B-o-B > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From bahamutzero8825 at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 22:20:20 2011 From: bahamutzero8825 at gmail.com (Andrew Berg) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 22:20:20 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Code hosting services Message-ID: <4E1E6074.9050305@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Way back when I had a simple project, SourceForge was by far the most prominent place to host (and it still is, though to a lesser extent now). SourceForge is still an option for me, but I know there are many other hosts out there. The problem is I don't which one what the pros and cons of each are. Wikipedia has some information, but it's generally objective. This is useful, but it's not enough to narrow my choices down to one or two. What can you guys recommend? BTW, I'll likely be sticking with Mercurial for revision control. TortoiseHg is a wonderful tool set and I managed to get MercurialEclipse working well. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAwAGBQJOHmB0AAoJEPiOA0Bgp4/Ls0cH/jJWowq33aLa4M88qP0USZAL AbbAHxprfjRQ3A2MF9ggL4hrYqsHYZZ02cpu+yGsbhS2xe5V4+bCPageoqTKsdlN 3jJWUOJ5hqz8D31whWIkSe+3jCZbIuwF6fozmVNoFtIAqAWX+jOz4JogBqqHGG4K BeOLuoXaMCa+aFgE7qF/Omw5F8UTMWNPSUWz3gvbsnvSRRxAA4xmPWNn2z7ebdF4 SOLqfyAauLLTDCJ0UMJGTMRS7yPOudxFhp2k9/x82kR7WfrZGNB/PQfnAVuPvjzu LNVgwwktIqFSOvUH29TfOKwz+BVUIHtlhcI3BHOO8B7kkOJ6q/FESaRFVVQF2IQ= =awRx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Wed Jul 13 22:25:01 2011 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 22:25:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Code hosting services In-Reply-To: <4E1E6074.9050305@gmail.com> References: <4E1E6074.9050305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110713222501.62594d19.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> I use GitHub for Swift Linux. As far as I know, it comes packaged with Git. I had no prior experience with version control, code hosting, or working on a Linux distro, but I chose GitHub because Linux Mint was using it. I just couldn't argue with Linux Mint's success (on the way to dethroning its parent distro Ubuntu). On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 22:20:20 -0500 Andrew Berg wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > Way back when I had a simple project, SourceForge was by far the most > prominent place to host (and it still is, though to a lesser extent > now). SourceForge is still an option for me, but I know there are many > other hosts out there. The problem is I don't which one what the pros > and cons of each are. Wikipedia has some information, but it's generally > objective. This is useful, but it's not enough to narrow my choices down > to one or two. What can you guys recommend? > > BTW, I'll likely be sticking with Mercurial for revision control. > TortoiseHg is a wonderful tool set and I managed to get MercurialEclipse > working well. -- Jason Hsu Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org) From nesius at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 23:24:13 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 23:24:13 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Code hosting services In-Reply-To: <20110713222501.62594d19.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <4E1E6074.9050305@gmail.com> <20110713222501.62594d19.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: Github is the the git-oriented source hosting hub of choice, from what I've seen. Another I've heard of is http://savannah.gnu.org/. Let us know what you settle on in the end, Andrew. -Rob On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Jason Hsu wrote: > I use GitHub for Swift Linux. As far as I know, it comes packaged with > Git. > > I had no prior experience with version control, code hosting, or working on > a Linux distro, but I chose GitHub because Linux Mint was using it. I just > couldn't argue with Linux Mint's success (on the way to dethroning its > parent distro Ubuntu). > > On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 22:20:20 -0500 > Andrew Berg wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > > > Way back when I had a simple project, SourceForge was by far the most > > prominent place to host (and it still is, though to a lesser extent > > now). SourceForge is still an option for me, but I know there are many > > other hosts out there. The problem is I don't which one what the pros > > and cons of each are. Wikipedia has some information, but it's generally > > objective. This is useful, but it's not enough to narrow my choices down > > to one or two. What can you guys recommend? > > > > BTW, I'll likely be sticking with Mercurial for revision control. > > TortoiseHg is a wonderful tool set and I managed to get MercurialEclipse > > working well. > > -- > Jason Hsu > Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org) > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark.katerberg at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 23:27:42 2011 From: mark.katerberg at gmail.com (mark.katerberg at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 23:27:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Code hosting services In-Reply-To: References: <4E1E6074.9050305@gmail.com> <20110713222501.62594d19.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Robert Nesius wrote: >Github is the the git-oriented source hosting hub of choice, from what >I've >seen. Another I've heard of is http://savannah.gnu.org/. Let us know >what >you settle on in the end, Andrew. > >-Rob Or gitorious. I use github because I heard of it first, but both are equally good from what I've heard -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: APG v1.0.8 iQFHBAEBCAAxBQJOHnA+KhxNYXJrIEthdGVyYmVyZyA8bWFyay5rYXRlcmJlcmdA Z21haWwuY29tPgAKCRARdikJk4Hr19taB/96XIfCQB6Ilg5nhmM8BKKlv5UMGtPR ULV0WOAgUYr8RtsWN/dQovOaHWBg3LuF51AuwmRHCMa496eErj/2ITeXGD5SV7Fh N+DmlNPAbyDqnM0J3XpnFxDGKzOsRxmA0nj5Lzl/HG7LM7oG1RQSb6vym7fUTqB/ 4pTpbKq7QiGD0XrIOZg5LyOLclT3EPgTXunEBvty6MuABkPohFfXhlvxkOGDfEV/ zwqpM32aR4b8MSUsJO/RFIAt8YwS+RMrhaHAxSmsogfIT3Fl6PeG/1x8lLsrZYHU JSjCuKzcOpeEcpWGzXhRFSEreWBSJqL0v7ustclT+ZNYMN5Fk5Xfhl/P =CtAP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bahamutzero8825 at gmail.com Wed Jul 13 23:50:32 2011 From: bahamutzero8825 at gmail.com (Andrew Berg) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 23:50:32 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Code hosting services In-Reply-To: References: <4E1E6074.9050305@gmail.com> <20110713222501.62594d19.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: <4E1E7598.6040009@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 On 2011.07.13 11:27 PM, mark.katerberg at gmail.com wrote: > Robert Nesius wrote: > >> Github is the the git-oriented source hosting hub of choice, from >> what I've seen. Another I've heard of is http://savannah.gnu.org/. >> Let us know what you settle on in the end, Andrew. > >> -Rob > > > Or gitorious. I use github because I heard of it first, but both are > equally good from what I've heard I won't be going with git unless there's a really good reason to. It's not that git is bad, but that I have things set up and working with Mercurial. I was hoping to find out what extra services are provided, how easy to use they are and how well they integrate with other services. For example, I know pretty much nothing about web development, so a service that provides "we'll do it for you" web page creation would be great. For now, I'm leaning toward SF because I'm familiar with it, and because it provides some nice extras, but there are quite a few hosts out there and I don't want to end up missing out on something. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAwAGBQJOHnWYAAoJEPiOA0Bgp4/LQ0IH/07VsR8p0Wt45aw5acitatnD SL0TgHg2wG0WdwxkFHdEqFC7qZLjTPyrah+017Nnb4YjaGCRw0Je+RSj9wxt3C7a V8BRq1hr0587RipExkP4cMK5+zRGMsounszUrXxNZ16NYzzaf+i7eDeOAwPlkK+x NDwEsckCfDqLgdm+rXleolPgajH9D3VbQwZjUI5adEeH+0GAhfdS/iqCmv6T/Fsf YFSwYGyD3/4QDHXSY1WRu75Zb4LjTrhel5iz0np7CoByullD+FbZ2YBWeRXFwjEi NN2NCpHHISbJuCjCv0Arm1HX5M+J1JOehylD75STleHry89GI2V1pEDCVhEBnqg= =bHbG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mastercactapus at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 00:03:08 2011 From: mastercactapus at gmail.com (Nathan Caza) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 00:03:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Code hosting services In-Reply-To: <4E1E7598.6040009@gmail.com> References: <4E1E6074.9050305@gmail.com> <20110713222501.62594d19.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <4E1E7598.6040009@gmail.com> Message-ID: Doesn't google code use Mercurial? On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Andrew Berg wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > On 2011.07.13 11:27 PM, mark.katerberg at gmail.com wrote: >> Robert Nesius wrote: >> >>> Github is the the git-oriented source hosting hub of choice, from >>> what I've seen. ?Another I've heard of is http://savannah.gnu.org/. >>> Let us know what you settle on in the end, Andrew. >> >>> -Rob >> >> >> Or gitorious. I use github because I heard of it first, but both are >> equally good from what I've heard > I won't be going with git unless there's a really good reason to. It's > not that git is bad, but that I have things set up and working with > Mercurial. I was hoping to find out what extra services are provided, > how easy to use they are and how well they integrate with other > services. For example, I know pretty much nothing about web development, > so a service that provides "we'll do it for you" web page creation would > be great. > > For now, I'm leaning toward SF because I'm familiar with it, and because > it provides some nice extras, but there are quite a few hosts out there > and I don't want to end up missing out on something. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQEcBAEBAwAGBQJOHnWYAAoJEPiOA0Bgp4/LQ0IH/07VsR8p0Wt45aw5acitatnD > SL0TgHg2wG0WdwxkFHdEqFC7qZLjTPyrah+017Nnb4YjaGCRw0Je+RSj9wxt3C7a > V8BRq1hr0587RipExkP4cMK5+zRGMsounszUrXxNZ16NYzzaf+i7eDeOAwPlkK+x > NDwEsckCfDqLgdm+rXleolPgajH9D3VbQwZjUI5adEeH+0GAhfdS/iqCmv6T/Fsf > YFSwYGyD3/4QDHXSY1WRu75Zb4LjTrhel5iz0np7CoByullD+FbZ2YBWeRXFwjEi > NN2NCpHHISbJuCjCv0Arm1HX5M+J1JOehylD75STleHry89GI2V1pEDCVhEBnqg= > =bHbG > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From bahamutzero8825 at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 00:10:46 2011 From: bahamutzero8825 at gmail.com (Andrew Berg) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 00:10:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Code hosting services In-Reply-To: References: <4E1E6074.9050305@gmail.com> <20110713222501.62594d19.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <4E1E7598.6040009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E1E7A56.60209@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 On 2011.07.14 12:03 AM, Nathan Caza wrote: > Doesn't google code use Mercurial? It supports it. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAwAGBQJOHnpWAAoJEPiOA0Bgp4/LZRAH/0vm696Jl4rZtnsTW+3mxkjA q/CYu2qZC1sSeoxUahC7nldsXFuN5+I/XT+YHR/KHS9Jl7FLUsaypuB8SPRcTOIN kyb8d7wjDQ1UykUuHvL7sEjirWj9gCtmgnzOgVlJUHS7vEcrWQuuGOHqDLLVlWL2 pEinlHJjt8skF4sTulfqWfO4JQ4oG1jWkX/XULj4Ohy4lIM/Qp9AlDUMP1WSLLF3 JmNGAPvrAFpHQ1qXzDFGe86bBNrr2vUVtWJsXOsUTEjA97R+1T5t3oeifc7+yuxE vZw7dPic0QoR3vjxBfnIrpf9F7ceXXdPgY0ZPZTwpQa0n7o2SizIgZj+Hjqt7z4= =rsZ9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tclug at jfoo.org Thu Jul 14 07:50:38 2011 From: tclug at jfoo.org (John Gateley) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 07:50:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Code hosting services In-Reply-To: <4E1E7598.6040009@gmail.com> References: <4E1E6074.9050305@gmail.com> <20110713222501.62594d19.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <4E1E7598.6040009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E1EE61E.3050904@jfoo.org> On 7/13/11 11:50 PM, Andrew Berg wrote: > I won't be going with git unless there's a really good reason to. It's bitbucket seems to be the equivalent for Mercurial. I haven't used it though. John From rclarksean at arvig.net Thu Jul 14 11:33:43 2011 From: rclarksean at arvig.net (Randy Clarksean) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:33:43 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu on Laptop - projector issues Message-ID: <01c701cc4243$ccb3cfc0$661b6f40$@net> I have Ubuntu 10.10 on a Asus laptop with nVidia GEForce GTX 260M (1 GB) video card. I can attach the projector and have the image shared to an external projector . but the system becomes very bogged down . CPU activity runs at nearly 100% when one tries to switch between desktops, etc. Anyone else run into a similar problem? I have checked out the Ubuntu forums and others have similar issues - but I did not find any solutions. Thoughts and suggestions welcome. Thanks in advance. Randy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -----Original Message----- From: "Randy Clarksean" Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:33:43 To: 'TCLUG Mailing List' Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu on Laptop - projector issues _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rclarksean at arvig.net Thu Jul 14 12:30:15 2011 From: rclarksean at arvig.net (Randy Clarksean) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:30:15 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu on Laptop - projector issues In-Reply-To: <747335560-1310662501-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-68067432-@b4.c4.bise6.blackberry> References: <01c701cc4243$ccb3cfc0$661b6f40$@net> <747335560-1310662501-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-68067432-@b4.c4.bise6.blackberry> Message-ID: <01d201cc424b$b282aab0$17880010$@net> Thanks for the feedback ... I use a similar approach ... screen shows via the projector, but system becomes seriously bogged down ... rather weird to say the least. -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Justin Krejci Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:55 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Ubuntu on Laptop - projector issues I've done external display hookups from my laptop running ubuntu 10.10 and an nvidia video card 9600M model or something like that. I used the nvidia app to just use twinview and I have never had an issue of any kind ever with it. This is not an Asus system either. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From random at argle.org Thu Jul 14 12:35:57 2011 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:35:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu on Laptop - projector issues In-Reply-To: <01c701cc4243$ccb3cfc0$661b6f40$@net> References: <01c701cc4243$ccb3cfc0$661b6f40$@net> Message-ID: <4E1F28FD.9070701@argle.org> I have an Asus laptop with an nVidia 210, I don't use it with a projector but I do use it with our home TV via the HDMI interface. I didn't observe any issues when using the nVidia util to set it up with Twinview either mirrored or dual screen with 10.04 or 10.10. up through April which was the last time I used it that way. On 07/14/2011 11:33 AM, Randy Clarksean wrote: > I have Ubuntu 10.10 on a Asus laptop with nVidia GEForce GTX 260M (1 GB) > video card. I can attach the projector and have the image shared to an > external projector ? but the system becomes very bogged down ? CPU > activity runs at nearly 100% when one tries to switch between desktops, > etc. > > > > Anyone else run into a similar problem? > > > > I have checked out the Ubuntu forums and others have similar issues ? > but I did not find any solutions. > > > > Thoughts and suggestions welcome. Thanks in advance. > > > > Randy > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 12:55:44 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:55:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu on Laptop - projector issues In-Reply-To: <01c701cc4243$ccb3cfc0$661b6f40$@net> References: <01c701cc4243$ccb3cfc0$661b6f40$@net> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Jul 2011, Randy Clarksean wrote: > I have Ubuntu 10.10 on a Asus laptop with nVidia GEForce GTX 260M (1 GB) > video card. I can attach the projector and have the image shared to an > external projector . but the system becomes very bogged down . CPU > activity runs at nearly 100% when one tries to switch between desktops, > etc. Here's why making the video output work well should be a priority for Ubuntu: You get up there in front of a room full of people and start trying to make the thing work. After a little while they notice you are having problems. They want to know what you are using and they want to make sure they don't end up like you -- fumbling around with some crappy operating system that doesn't work. Every talk could be a nice demo for Ubuntu, if it could handle it. I've had problems, too, but nothing very consistent and I don't remember the CPU pegging. Mike From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Thu Jul 14 12:57:52 2011 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2011 12:57:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu on Laptop - projector issues In-Reply-To: <01c701cc4243$ccb3cfc0$661b6f40$@net> References: <01c701cc4243$ccb3cfc0$661b6f40$@net> Message-ID: Perhaps try the nouveau drivers? Ironically I use those drivers for dual display and have had better luck with nvidia drivers. they also have a new beta out. Curious, what process is eating up the CPU specifically (check gnome system monitor or in cl top)? -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Randy Clarksean wrote: > > I have Ubuntu 10.10 on a Asus laptop with nVidia GEForce GTX 260M (1 GB) video card.? I can attach the projector and have the image shared to an external projector ? but the system becomes very bogged down ? CPU activity runs at nearly 100% when one tries to switch between desktops, etc. > > > > Anyone else run into a similar problem? > > > > I have checked out the Ubuntu forums and others have similar issues ? but I did not find any solutions. > > > > Thoughts and suggestions welcome.? Thanks in advance. > > > > Randy > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From bahamutzero8825 at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 03:33:17 2011 From: bahamutzero8825 at gmail.com (Andrew Berg) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 03:33:17 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Code hosting services In-Reply-To: References: <4E1E6074.9050305@gmail.com> <20110713222501.62594d19.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: <4E214CCD.6010800@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 On 2011.07.13 11:24 PM, Robert Nesius wrote: > Let us know what you settle on in the end, Andrew. I found this on StackOverflow and it was very helpful: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10490/best-open-source-project-hosting-site Now, I have it narrowed down to 3 choices - SF, Google Code and CodePlex. SF pros: Very popular and has tons of features. Trac, while not my first choice when it comes to bug trackers, isn't too bad and is better than SF's native bug tracker. I'm more familiar with SF than any other project host. SF cons: I don't really like SF's native bug tracker and forums. Alternatives require some work to set up. <> GC pros: Apparently, there are a lot of Python developers there. There is integration between the bug tracker and other features as Thomas Jollans mentioned. GC cons: Apparently, it's hard to get noticed there (there are tags, but average users are probably generally unaware of them, at least when searching). People who want to submit bugs need to have a Google account. I don't know a whole lot about GC. <> CP pros: Apparently, there are a lot of Windows users/developers there. This is a pro since my project is mostly cross-platform, but one sub-project only works on Windows. Mercurial is very up-to-date compared GC and SF. I don't know how much this will matter, though. CP cons: I doubt my project will get much attention among the *nix crowd (many people in this group have a strong aversion to anything associated with Microsoft). Overall, not a well known host. I know next to nothing about CP. Does anyone know if there are any services that have cross-project integration? I can see myself closing a ton of bug reports just because they are issues with the library part of the program, which will be a separate project (because there will be other projects based on that same library). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAwAGBQJOIUzNAAoJEPiOA0Bgp4/LSf4H/jeIuluZMem/SiE102a1nTm6 Pa82220C+taxapll8UI4dNU7isSBn3SCk5H3Gd3y9gPgtA0+NyraPQJo52I/lu00 ay11I+c33PSDyGwaPXrfC//LYMOSsD6wyd6wSeaFunI8tDtkG2HlshFYGwrfEFj4 7sukTlF/rz+ibGFduWMtZtZ+/KHhYkkXAncMfQDDMoJupZ9rH29MAlh6Wrq0tD7t vh067jJFM/Ksc0H/imSCYhPxQwbtAuohaj2CCGHLEy3RsskxvzMAtgcHKv5qT1Bs kK9fYaQuZDM1P8u4wvvQpxKanlwDjUoUt4Ctnxgs+TBtARKi3GopAp4tqQxUPKc= =enHu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jpschewe at mtu.net Sat Jul 16 14:12:20 2011 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 14:12:20 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Code hosting services In-Reply-To: <4E214CCD.6010800@gmail.com> References: <4E1E6074.9050305@gmail.com> <20110713222501.62594d19.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <4E214CCD.6010800@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E21E294.7040802@mtu.net> On 07/16/2011 03:33 AM, Andrew Berg wrote: > On 2011.07.13 11:24 PM, Robert Nesius wrote: > > Let us know what you settle on in the end, Andrew. > > I found this on StackOverflow and it was very helpful: > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10490/best-open-source-project-hosting-site > > Now, I have it narrowed down to 3 choices - SF, Google Code and CodePlex. > > SF pros: > Very popular and has tons of features. > Trac, while not my first choice when it comes to bug trackers, isn't too > bad and is better than SF's native bug tracker. > I'm more familiar with SF than any other project host. > > Note that the Trac support isn't real good on SF. I use Trac for a project and you can't use XML-RPC nor can you use git with it. Tickets have been filed for this and left sitting for 2 years on these topics with lots of comments about it getting fixed, but nothing happening. So if you want to use Trac on SF, think about what kind of access you want to it. I like to use Mylyn in Eclipse and with XML-RPC off, it's very limited. However if you do choose to use SF and Trac, I have scripts that will do automated backups if you'd like. I don't know what the mercurial support is like, but if it's not considered a core service at SF, you're not going to get much support. > SF cons: > I don't really like SF's native bug tracker and forums. Alternatives > require some work to set up. > > <> > > GC pros: > Apparently, there are a lot of Python developers there. > There is integration between the bug tracker and other features as > Thomas Jollans mentioned. > > GC cons: > Apparently, it's hard to get noticed there (there are tags, but average > users are probably generally unaware of them, at least when searching). > People who want to submit bugs need to have a Google account. > I don't know a whole lot about GC. > > <> > > CP pros: > Apparently, there are a lot of Windows users/developers there. This is a > pro since my project is mostly cross-platform, but one sub-project only > works on Windows. > Mercurial is very up-to-date compared GC and SF. I don't know how much > this will matter, though. > > CP cons: > I doubt my project will get much attention among the *nix crowd (many > people in this group have a strong aversion to anything associated with > Microsoft). > Overall, not a well known host. > I know next to nothing about CP. > > > Does anyone know if there are any services that have cross-project > integration? I can see myself closing a ton of bug reports just because > they are issues with the library part of the program, which will be a > separate project (because there will be other projects based on that > same library). Can you explain more on what you're looking for here? Is this for testing or??? From jpschewe at mtu.net Sat Jul 16 14:12:40 2011 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 14:12:40 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu and aide In-Reply-To: <4DE4162C.2060605@mtu.net> References: <4DE4162C.2060605@mtu.net> Message-ID: <4E21E2A8.9090002@mtu.net> On 05/30/2011 05:11 PM, Jon Schewe wrote: > Anyone out there running Ubuntu and aide? I'm finding that the mtime and > ctime on my /etc directory changes every day and aide notes this. Has > anyone else run into this or know what's going on? I'm sure the system > is clean, has done it since the install before connected to the Internet. > No one else has seen this? From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Sat Jul 16 18:53:28 2011 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 18:53:28 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Computing platforms with at least one C++ compiler Message-ID: I have a < 200 line C++ program that currently runs on Linux, Windows and Mac OSX. In order to make the on line code generator I've been working on more widely available, I'd like to port that program to run on more platforms. I'm not too up on mobile platforms or scientific platforms. For example, are all scientific platforms UNIX-like? I'm interested in suggestions of platforms to port to. Tia. This article on C++ news may be of some interest: http://www.informit.com/guides/content.aspx?g=cplusplus&seqNum=545 -- Brian Wood Ebenezer Enterprises http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've recorded my procedure at http://www.jasonhsu.com/linux-server-debian-lenny1.odt . > > I'm looking for the analogous procedure for FreeBSD 7.4. > > -- > Jason Hsu > Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org) > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sloncho at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 10:06:49 2011 From: sloncho at gmail.com (Sunny) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 10:06:49 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Time/PTO tracking software Message-ID: Hi, I looking for an open source web based employee time (PTO, etc.) tracking application to help our HR department. Any suggestions/feedback will be highly appreciated. Cheers -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. From nesius at gmail.com Wed Jul 20 16:51:42 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 16:51:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Time/PTO tracking software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Sunny wrote: > Hi, > I looking for an open source web based employee time (PTO, etc.) > tracking application to help our HR department. > > Any suggestions/feedback will be highly appreciated. > > Cheers > > -- > Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) > > How large is the company - in terms of number of employees you intend to manage within this? Am I understanding correctly there is no corresponding ERP/payroll system managing accruals on the back-end of this? Are you also wanting to collect punches? And are you wanting to track hours for charge-outs? Any mobile employees? Any unions involved? I've been doing an implementation of a commercial time collection system for the past year. During my environment scan I stumbled across a few Open Source offerings, but I wasn't comfortable running a business over them. But, I am dealing with static and mobile work forces, multiple companies, multiple accruals, multiple unions. *Rob's head explodes* That said, here are two web pages I recall seeing during my environment scan a little over a year ago. http://www.timetrex.com/ http://sabernetdcs.sourceforge.net/ Having now gone through a full implementation with a commercial tool, I'm somewhat curious to re-examine these with more informed eyes at a later date. For now I have a lot of things to wrap up before my second child arrives in a few weeks. :) Good luck! -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sloncho at gmail.com Thu Jul 21 08:04:18 2011 From: sloncho at gmail.com (Sunny) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 08:04:18 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Time/PTO tracking software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Robert, I should have been more clear on my original request. I'm after a software for only vacation/PTO/unpaid leave tracking - i.e. how many days(hours) and employee already have used, etc. Cheers On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Robert Nesius wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Sunny wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I looking for an open source web based employee time (PTO, etc.) >> tracking application to help our HR department. >> >> Any suggestions/feedback will be highly appreciated. >> >> Cheers >> >> -- >> Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) >> > > How large is the company - in terms of number of employees you intend to > manage within this?? Am I understanding correctly there is no corresponding > ERP/payroll system managing accruals on the back-end of this?? Are you also > wanting to collect punches?? And are you wanting to track hours for > charge-outs?? Any mobile employees??? Any unions involved? > > I've been doing an implementation of a commercial time collection system for > the past year. During my environment scan I stumbled across a few Open > Source offerings, but I wasn't comfortable running a business over them. > But, I am dealing with static and mobile work forces, multiple companies, > multiple accruals, multiple unions.? *Rob's head explodes* > > That said, here are two web pages I recall seeing during my environment scan > a little over a year ago. > http://www.timetrex.com/ > http://sabernetdcs.sourceforge.net/ > > Having now gone through a full implementation with a commercial tool, I'm > somewhat curious to re-examine these with more informed eyes at a later > date.? For now I have a lot of things to wrap up before my second child > arrives in a few weeks. :) > > Good luck! > > -Rob > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Svetoslav Milenov (Sunny) Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. From marc at e-skinner.net Sun Jul 24 14:33:42 2011 From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2011 14:33:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FOR SALE: desktop hp pavilion Message-ID: <4E2C7396.7020901@e-skinner.net> 7 year old desktop for sale, new Coolermax 350 Watt power supply installed 1 year ago. Everything else is factory stock: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00055520&tmp_task=prodinfoCategory&cc=us&dlc=en&lang=en&lc=en&product=389932 Looking for $100! or best offer. Thanks! From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Mon Jul 25 17:22:40 2011 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 17:22:40 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Shell Programming@Penguins Unbound Meeting July 30 Message-ID: <4E2DECB0.6040408@Goecke-Dolan.com> This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be Saturday July 30th at TIES, 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 from 10:00am to 12:00pm (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more info.) This month at the Penguins Unbound Meeting I will be taking about Shell Programming Bash Programming Linux CLI Unix Command Line Old School Unix tools.... It is know by many names, but is all the same thing. Join us on July 30 and hear me talk about it, and answer your questions. Thanks. Hope to see you there. ==>brian. *** STREAMING *** If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting. mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 You should be able to connect with either: mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 or vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 09:12:55 2011 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 09:12:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Nice Slackware Article Message-ID: <4E2ECB67.1000108@gmail.com> Here is a pretty decent article I came across regarding Slackware. Enjoy! http://tinyurl.com/3jgs2xl Mr. B-o-B From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Tue Jul 26 09:34:34 2011 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 09:34:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Critique my Swift Linux source code Message-ID: <20110726093434.ee307653.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> I still haven't finished refactoring my source code. (Instead of cramming all scripts into one repository, I'm giving each major function its own repository. I'm also having each script rely only on local variables and not global variables. This allows me to test each script individually, yet also allows each script to work as part of a larger script.) The URL is https://github.com/swiftlinux . The 0-intro repository contains the basics. The 1-build repository fetches all of the other repositories and includes 1-step build processes. The z-obsolete-change_files-0_1_1 repository contains the old source code, in which I crammed just about everything in the same repository. What do you think of my source code? I know I'm not finished with the changes I need to make, but is my code readable and maintainable? Are you able to follow along with the way things work? Is there any Linux distro or open source project that you consider to be a model for well-written source code? I tried looking at how a few other distros do things. I did notice that they had a repository for each major function (instead of cramming everything into one repository), and I decided to emulate that. On the other hand, I thought that other distros seemed to be lacking documentation on how things work and 1-step build processes. -- Jason Hsu Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org) From florin at iucha.net Tue Jul 26 10:51:49 2011 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 10:51:49 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Freeradius Was: @Penguins Unbound Meeting In-Reply-To: <4E2DECB0.6040408@Goecke-Dolan.com> References: <4E2DECB0.6040408@Goecke-Dolan.com> Message-ID: <20110726155148.GV29581@styx.iucha.org> Dear TCLUG, I would be very interested in an introduction and maybe a good demo of setting up freeradius for authenticating wireless clients (XP, Win7, Android). Does anybody have enough experience and willingness to present it to the group? Preferably not at the August 27th meeting, as I'll be out of town 8^) Cheers, florin -- Don't question authority! They don't know either. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Tue Jul 26 11:23:58 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 11:23:58 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Freeradius Was: @Penguins Unbound Meeting In-Reply-To: <20110726155148.GV29581@styx.iucha.org> References: <4E2DECB0.6040408@Goecke-Dolan.com> <20110726155148.GV29581@styx.iucha.org> Message-ID: <0F15C5CF-9575-4CBB-AD91-3C76505AD678@me.com> I'd love to sit through this, too. On Jul 26, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Florin Iucha wrote: > Dear TCLUG, > > I would be very interested in an introduction and maybe a good demo of > setting up freeradius for authenticating wireless clients (XP, Win7, > Android). Does anybody have enough experience and willingness to present > it to the group? Preferably not at the August 27th meeting, as I'll be > out of town 8^) > > Cheers, > florin > > -- > Don't question authority! They don't know either. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 14:14:51 2011 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 14:14:51 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Help with booting USB linux on Mac Message-ID: I'm trying to get a thumb drive with pre-existing Linux to boot on a Mac. It has an MSDOS partition table, so I've come to find this needs to be converted to GPT for Mac (no problem doing this). Anyone know of any good walk throughs for boot loaders after converting to GPT? I've tried syslinux but it locks up. Thinking maybe GRUB2 is an easier route? I'm primarily familar with GRUB but this doesn't support GPT. Anyone who is able to help let me know, thank you in advance, -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Tue Jul 26 15:31:18 2011 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:31:18 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Critique my Swift Linux source code Message-ID: Message: 3 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 09:34:34 -0500 From: Jason Hsu To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: [tclug-list] Critique my Swift Linux source code Message-ID: <20110726093434.ee307653.jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Jason Hsu: > What do you think of my source code? I know I'm not finished with the changes I need to make, > but is my code readable and maintainable? Are you able to follow along with the way things work? It looks like it is commented well. Is Python an option for this? http://magazine.redhat.com/2008/02/07/python-for-bash-scripters-a-well-kept-secret/ I'd consider using a loop with the following: # ssh-agent is now implemented. Now it's time to download all repositories. get_rep 0-intro get_rep add_help get_rep apt get_rep conky get_rep control_center get_rep iceape get_rep icewm get_rep installer get_rep menu-update get_rep mime get_rep remove_languages get_rep remove_packages get_rep rox get_rep security get_rep slim get_rep sylpheed get_rep wallpaper-standard -- Brian Wood Ebenezer Enterprises http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Of course, that was before I had any understanding of the essence of good software development.) On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:31:18 -0500 Brian Wood wrote: > > > What do you think of my source code? I know I'm not finished with the > changes I need to make, > > but is my code readable and maintainable? Are you able to follow along > with the way things work? > > It looks like it is commented well. Is Python an option for this? > http://magazine.redhat.com/2008/02/07/python-for-bash-scripters-a-well-kept-secret/ > -- Jason Hsu Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org) From florin at iucha.net Tue Jul 26 18:15:29 2011 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:15:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Help with booting USB linux on Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110726231528.GY29581@styx.iucha.org> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 02:14:51PM -0500, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote: > I'm trying to get a thumb drive with pre-existing Linux to boot on a > Mac. It has an MSDOS partition table, so I've come to find this needs > to be converted to GPT for Mac (no problem doing this). Anyone know of > any good walk throughs for boot loaders after converting to GPT? I've > tried syslinux but it locks up. Thinking maybe GRUB2 is an easier > route? I'm primarily familar with GRUB but this doesn't support GPT. > Anyone who is able to help let me know, thank you in advance, This just popped up on the interwebs: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/4957.html Cheers, florin -- Don't question authority! They don't know either. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From blawrence at qwest.net Tue Jul 26 23:54:26 2011 From: blawrence at qwest.net (Brian Lawrence) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 23:54:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Nice Slackware Article In-Reply-To: <4E2ECB67.1000108@gmail.com> References: <4E2ECB67.1000108@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the article. Slackware is and will always be my favorite distro. Brian -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Mr. B-o-B Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 9:13 AM To: TCLUG Subject: [tclug-list] Nice Slackware Article Here is a pretty decent article I came across regarding Slackware. Enjoy! http://tinyurl.com/3jgs2xl Mr. B-o-B _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 08:18:23 2011 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:18:23 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Nice Slackware Article In-Reply-To: References: <4E2ECB67.1000108@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E30101F.9090508@gmail.com> On 7/26/2011 11:54 PM, Brian Lawrence cried from the depths of the abyss: > Slackware is and will always be my favorite distro. > Me Too! Mr. B-o-B From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 10:48:08 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 10:48:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Watson answers a Linux question on Jeopardy! Message-ID: http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/koma-comic-strip-defeating-the-computer-overlord.jpg Oops. Mike From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Jul 27 10:49:06 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 10:49:06 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Watson answers a Linux question on Jeopardy! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58C39C72-6327-4C23-9AF5-9C3AE12EF689@me.com> LMFAO. Nice. On Jul 27, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Mike Miller wrote: > http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/koma-comic-strip-defeating-the-computer-overlord.jpg > > Oops. > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Wed Jul 27 11:08:36 2011 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 11:08:36 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Watson answers a Linux question on Jeopardy! In-Reply-To: ; from mbmiller+l@gmail.com on Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:48:08AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20110727110836.D18808@real-time.com> On 07/27 10:48 , Mike Miller wrote: > http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/koma-comic-strip-defeating-the-computer-overlord.jpg Except that fsck only checks the consistency of the filesystem. mkfs.ext4 (or whatever your preferred FS is) actually 'formats' the disk in the Windows sense. -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 12:46:13 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 12:46:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Watson answers a Linux question on Jeopardy! In-Reply-To: <20110727110836.D18808@real-time.com> References: <20110727110836.D18808@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Jul 2011, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > On 07/27 10:48 , Mike Miller wrote: > >> http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/koma-comic-strip-defeating-the-computer-overlord.jpg > > Except that fsck only checks the consistency of the filesystem. > mkfs.ext4 (or whatever your preferred FS is) actually 'formats' the disk > in the Windows sense. Apparently, there is no -f option to fsck. Good call. This is one of my favorite commands to teach to beginners: rm -rf / That's mean but it won't work unless they have root permissions. Mike From scottbb1973 at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 06:18:20 2011 From: scottbb1973 at gmail.com (Scott Berry) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 13:18:20 +0200 Subject: [tclug-list] help with aliases on Apache in ubuntu Message-ID: <4E2FF3FC.7090605@gmail.com> Hello there, I am trying to get Apache to do aliases as I have a folder where I am building a php program and I would like to have Apache be able to be able to see this folder so I can parse the php code in the server. I need to see what the codee is doing. Thanks much. -- Scott Berry E-mail Address: scottbb1973 at gmail.com Repeater Book Admin for the following states: north and South Dakota, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa Computer Certs: MCP, A+ Certified From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 15:05:43 2011 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:05:43 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] help with aliases on Apache in ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4E2FF3FC.7090605@gmail.com> References: <4E2FF3FC.7090605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E306F97.3020601@gmail.com> On 7/27/2011 6:18 AM, Scott Berry cried from the depths of the abyss: > Hello there, > > I am trying to get Apache to do aliases as I have a folder where I am > building a php program and I would like to have Apache be able to be > able to see this folder so I can parse the php code in the server. I > need to see what the codee is doing. Thanks much. It's called a symlink man ln ln -s /path/to/php/src /path/to/apache/folder/where/you/want/it From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Jul 27 15:10:49 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:10:49 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] help with aliases on Apache in ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4E306F97.3020601@gmail.com> References: <4E2FF3FC.7090605@gmail.com> <4E306F97.3020601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5BBC5D92-9474-4A07-924D-5752556D99BF@me.com> You should also be able to use the Apache Alias option in httpd.conf to point a folder at a specific folder. On Jul 27, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > On 7/27/2011 6:18 AM, Scott Berry cried from the depths of the abyss: >> Hello there, >> >> I am trying to get Apache to do aliases as I have a folder where I am >> building a php program and I would like to have Apache be able to be >> able to see this folder so I can parse the php code in the server. I >> need to see what the codee is doing. Thanks much. > > It's called a symlink > > man ln > > ln -s /path/to/php/src /path/to/apache/folder/where/you/want/it > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mjb at umn.edu Wed Jul 27 15:11:39 2011 From: mjb at umn.edu (Michael Berkowski) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 15:11:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] help with aliases on Apache in ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4E306F97.3020601@gmail.com> References: <4E2FF3FC.7090605@gmail.com> <4E306F97.3020601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E3070FB.5040900@umn.edu> On 7/27/2011 3:05 PM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > On 7/27/2011 6:18 AM, Scott Berry cried from the depths of the abyss: >> Hello there, >> >> I am trying to get Apache to do aliases as I have a folder where I am >> building a php program and I would like to have Apache be able to be >> able to see this folder so I can parse the php code in the server. I >> need to see what the codee is doing. Thanks much. > > It's called a symlink > > man ln > > ln -s /path/to/php/src /path/to/apache/folder/where/you/want/it No, Apache has an Alias directive. Alias /webpath /path/on/filesystem http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_alias.html The target directory must be readable by Apache. If it's in your home directory, you have to give execute permissions to all on your home directory: chmod o+x /home/you From Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com Wed Jul 27 15:12:13 2011 From: Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com (Smith, Craig A) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 16:12:13 -0400 Subject: [tclug-list] help with aliases on Apache in ubuntu In-Reply-To: <4E2FF3FC.7090605@gmail.com> References: <4E2FF3FC.7090605@gmail.com> Message-ID: <352399F8DB39E14FBB4B648897CA32E609058C8E@DE08EV802.global.ds.honeywell.com> Scott Berry wrote: >I am trying to get Apache to do aliases as I have a folder where I am >building a php program and I would like to have Apache be able to be >able to see this folder so I can parse the php code in the server. See http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_alias.html#scriptalias But, instead of an alias, you could create a symlink, under Apache's document root, to the php folder. Depending on your baseline config, that may require adding "Options FollowSymLinks" to your container. If you want Apache to execute the code (rather than just displaying it), you'll to also need the ScriptAlias directive, or move the code to the designated Scripts folder (typically /cgi-bin), and possibly something like AddHandler cgi-script .php From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Wed Jul 27 22:20:01 2011 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 22:20:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Critique my Swift Linux source code Message-ID: Jason Hsu: > Thanks for the suggestion on migrating to Python, Brian. I've added it as a priority to the Swift Linux Launchpad page. > My first migration targets will be new features not already implemented with GNU Bash. Over time, I will gradually convert > parts of my source code to Python, though more urgent priorities will take precedence. I am glad that I no longer have > everything crammed into one repository. My new arrangement lends itself to graduate migration while the previous > arrangements do not. (Believe it or not, I had the whole process of transforming antiX Linux into Swift Linux crammed > into one long script in the early days. Of course, that was before I had any understanding of the essence of good software > development.) Couple of things. I'm curious how many tasks top reports on Swift Linux with just a terminal and top running. I have a Fedora 15 box that I use for development. I can't think of any servers that I've told it to run and it doesn't have http servers running on it. Shortly after it boots, top reports that it has 137 tasks running. After 15 minutes or so that number has dropped to 129. And a suggestion: you might have some "office hours" -- an hour or two a week where you commit to being available to chat with people and possibly allow remote logins. That would let people kick the tires a bit themselves. (I'm working on something like that myself.) 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Zbikowski) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 14:44:05 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Help with booting USB linux on Mac In-Reply-To: <20110726231528.GY29581@styx.iucha.org> References: <20110726231528.GY29581@styx.iucha.org> Message-ID: Alternatively you could just run it under VirtualBox (http://www.virtualbox.org/) or your preferred virtualization solution. Ubuntu appears to have some docs on installing Ubuntu on a MacBook, may or may not be helpful: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook rEFIt appears to have a solution: http://refit.sourceforge.net/ http://www.slax.org/ Also, there is always the wise-guy option: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mac+linux+usb+boot ;) -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Thu Jul 28 16:49:14 2011 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:49:14 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] iptables question Message-ID: <201107282149.p6SLnEg4010530@okra.fo4.net> i have 2 NICs, one connects to a private network, the other the internet. i'm running openvz. thus far i have iptables successfully doing MASQ so containers with addresses on the private net can reach the internet (but not vice versa). and i have iptables successfully opening only certain ports into the host node. i'm attempting to do the same for the containers, open only certain ports into containers with addresses on the public net. my script is below. the 4 iptables commands i was hoping would accomplish that are commented out. when i uncomment them, they do accomplish the inbound container port filtering, but i can no longer connect from a container with an address on the private net to another box on the private net. can someone tell me what i need? # here is the settings file for a container: # /etc/firewall.d/220: CTID="220" # the container's ID# CTNAME="rhel6.1 php and mysql" # A human-friendly description of the container CTIP="222.222.22.2" # the IP address for this container OPENPORTS="1111" # ports to be open into this container from anywhere (except banned addresses below) DMZS="" # IPs and blocks that should have full access to the container's services BANNED="" # IPs and blocks that should be entirely blocked from the container's services # here's the firewall script: #!/bin/sh # /etc/init.d/firewall # chkconfig: 2345 97 87 # description: This script sets up firewall rules in the INPUT chain (for the HN itself) and then processes config files in /etc/firewall.d # to setup rules in the FORWARD chain to allow access to containers' services. # 2011/7/25 gregrwm adapted from /root/iptables and http://wiki.openvz.org/Setting_up_an_iptables_firewall . /etc/init.d/functions OPENPORTS="2222" # ports on the HN open to connections from anywhere publ=br0 ### Public Network priv=br1 ### Private Network # services for containers are configured in /etc/firewall.d/* #So create files under /etc/firewall.d e.g. named ExampleCompany or ve12, and give them content like this: #CTID="1" # the container's ID# #CTNAME="Customer1" # A human-friendly description of the container #CTIP="111.111.1.11" # the IP address for this container #OPENPORTS="80 443" # ports to be open into this container from anywhere (except banned addresses below) #DMZS="1.2.3.0/24 5.6.7.8/32" # IPs and blocks that should have full access to the container's services #BANNED="" # IPs and blocks that should be entirely blocked from the container's services setup() { echo -n "Firewall: Purging and setting default policies" ip6tables -F ip6tables -X ip6tables -Z iptables -F iptables -X iptables -Z iptables -F -t nat iptables -X -t nat iptables -Z -t nat iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT iptables -P INPUT DROP # iptables -P FORWARD DROP ip6tables -P INPUT DROP ip6tables -P FORWARD DROP iptables -A INPUT -j ACCEPT -i lo #needed to make postgres happy # iptables -A FORWARD -j ACCEPT -i lo #what would this be for? iptables -A INPUT -j ACCEPT -i $priv ### Private Network # iptables -A FORWARD -j ACCEPT -i $priv iptables -A INPUT -j ACCEPT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED iptables -A FORWARD -j ACCEPT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED success ; echo echo "Firewall: Allowing access to HN OPENPORTS from world" for port in $OPENPORTS ; do echo -n " port $port" iptables -A INPUT -j ACCEPT --protocol tcp --destination-port $port iptables -A INPUT -j ACCEPT --protocol udp --destination-port $port success ; echo done i=`echo /etc/firewall.d/*` i_null="/etc/firewall.d/*" [ "$i" != "$i_null" ]&& for i in $i ;do . $i echo -n "Firewall: Setting up container $CTID ($CTNAME)" for source in $BANNED ; do iptables -A FORWARD -j REJECT --destination $CTIP --source $source ; done for source in $DMZS ; do iptables -A FORWARD -j ACCEPT --protocol tcp --destination $CTIP --source $source ; done for source in $DMZS ; do iptables -A FORWARD -j ACCEPT --protocol udp --destination $CTIP --source $source ; done for port in $OPENPORTS ; do iptables -A FORWARD -j ACCEPT --protocol tcp --destination $CTIP --destination-port $port ; done for port in $OPENPORTS ; do iptables -A FORWARD -j ACCEPT --protocol udp --destination $CTIP --destination-port $port ; done [ $? -eq 0 ] && success || failure echo done # Log (limited) and reject all else, including all ipv6 iptables -A INPUT -m limit --limit 1/hour --limit-burst 3 -j LOG --log-level 6 iptables -A FORWARD -m limit --limit 1/hour --limit-burst 3 -j LOG --log-level 6 ip6tables -A INPUT -m limit --limit 1/hour --limit-burst 3 -j LOG --log-level 6 ip6tables -A FORWARD -m limit --limit 1/hour --limit-burst 3 -j LOG --log-level 6 iptables -A INPUT -j REJECT # iptables -A FORWARD -j REJECT ip6tables -A INPUT -j REJECT ip6tables -A FORWARD -j REJECT #masquerade packets for which we are acting as gateway from the private network. i don't think this affects public network venet forwards? iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $publ -j MASQUERADE # modprobe ip_conntrack_netbios_ns } case "$1" in start|restart) echo "Starting firewall..." setup ;; stop) ;; status) iptables -n -L ;; *) echo "Usage: $0 " ;; esac From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Thu Jul 28 23:00:57 2011 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:00:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] iptables question In-Reply-To: <201107282149.p6SLnEg4010530@okra.fo4.net> References: <201107282149.p6SLnEg4010530@okra.fo4.net> Message-ID: progress. containers can connect to external addresses after adding: iptables -A FORWARD -j ACCEPT -o $publ and containers can connect to other boxes on the private net after adding: iptables -A FORWARD -j ACCEPT -o $priv and containers can be contacted via the private net after adding: iptables -A FORWARD -j ACCEPT -i $priv what's still perplexing is connections from a container to the host node, whether contacting its public or private address. some such connections work, eg ssh, and some don't, eg mysql, nrpe, and ping, and some are divided yes/no by criteria i don't get, eg pgsql and dns. i don't get why they don't all just work. From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Fri Jul 29 01:13:24 2011 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 01:13:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] *Saturday* Shell Programming@Penguins Unbound Meeting July 30 Message-ID: <4E324F84.9080800@Goecke-Dolan.com> This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be Saturday June 25th at TIES, 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 from 10:00am to 12:00pm (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more info.) This month at the Penguins Unbound Meeting I will be taking about Shell Programming Bash Programming Linux CLI Unix Command Line Old School Unix tools.... It is know by many names, but is all the same thing. Join us on July 30 and hear me talk about it, and answer your questions. Thanks. Hope to see you there. ==>brian. *** STREAMING *** If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting. mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 You should be able to connect with either: mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 or vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Jul 29 08:19:45 2011 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 08:19:45 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Question about samba logins and high load average Message-ID: I've got a fileserver that from time to time it's load climbs to around 7. When this happens samba refuses more connections stating that the maximum number of connections has been reached. I've not set any connection maximums, so I shouldn't have any limits as the defaults are all unlimited. Has anyone else run into this? Jon From marc at e-skinner.net Fri Jul 29 09:52:43 2011 From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 09:52:43 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Question about samba logins and high load average In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E32C93B.8030209@e-skinner.net> Is the load due to samba or something else? If you do a top, what are the "top" processes running when your at a load of 7? smbd? nmbd? are you using software raid? could it be doing a rebuild at that time? Thanks! On 07/29/2011 08:19 AM, Jon Schewe wrote: > I've got a fileserver that from time to time it's load climbs to > around 7. When this happens samba refuses more connections stating > that the maximum number of connections has been reached. I've not set > any connection maximums, so I shouldn't have any limits as the > defaults are all unlimited. Has anyone else run into this? > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Fri Jul 29 14:04:17 2011 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 14:04:17 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] For Sale; 2.8Ghz Computer; 5port 10/100 switch; Mac mini Powersupply Message-ID: <4E330431.1010809@Goecke-Dolan.com> Dell GX280 Small form factor computer 2.8Ghz P4 CPU 160GB Hard drive 1G Ram DVD-Rom drive Dual Boot, Windows XP-Pro and Ubuntu 11.04 loaded I would like $125 (or best offer) 5 Port 10/100 Switch Netgear FS605 $5 Mac Mini Power supply 85W Model # A1105 $20 Email me if you are interested, we can make arrangements to meet or you can come to the Penguins Unbound Meeting Saturday. Thanks. ==>brian. From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Jul 29 21:04:31 2011 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 21:04:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Question about samba logins and high load average In-Reply-To: <4E32C93B.8030209@e-skinner.net> References: <4E32C93B.8030209@e-skinner.net> Message-ID: The load is due to lots of nfs transactions on the system. So the load average is 7 because 7 nfs processes are stuck in I/O. On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Marc Skinner wrote: > > Is the load due to samba or something else? ?If you do a top, what are the "top" processes running when your at a load of 7? ?smbd? nmbd? are you using software raid? could it be doing a rebuild at that time? > > Thanks! > > On 07/29/2011 08:19 AM, Jon Schewe wrote: >> >> I've got a fileserver that from time to time it's load climbs to >> around 7. When this happens samba refuses more connections stating >> that the maximum number of connections has been reached. I've not set >> any connection maximums, so I shouldn't have any limits as the >> defaults are all unlimited. Has anyone else run into this? >> >> Jon >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Fri Jul 29 23:28:34 2011 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 23:28:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Best places to work as a software developer Message-ID: <20110729232834.8e89ceac.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> What are the best places in the Twin Cities for working as a software developer? The things I'm looking for: 1. The team has all of the basic elements of a good software development team, such as version control, bug tracking, a 1-step build process, etc. Although I could be a hero by introducing a team to version control, bug tracking, the 1-step build process, etc., that would take time away from advancing the project, and a team lacking even the first few items in the Joel Test would surely have many, many issues. I'd rather be average or below average on a superior team than the hero of a lousy team. 2. Software development is a very core part of what the company does. (I guess this means that software companies should be my top priorities in my job search while banks, insurance companies, etc. should probably be lesser priorities.) 3. The company treats the software developers well and doesn't shortchange them on the resources they need. 4. The team has good software developers and no bad ones (the ones who can't code their way out of a paper bag despite having a CS degree and/or "years of experience"). 5. The team offers the option of using Linux instead of forcing Windows: Using Windows means sacrificing control, as nobody outside Microsoft knows everything about Windows. I do NOT want to have something go wrong and have to consider the possibility that Windows rot on my machine plays a role. -- Jason Hsu Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org) From tompoe at meltel.net Fri Jul 29 23:36:29 2011 From: tompoe at meltel.net (tom) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 23:36:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Best places to work as a software developer In-Reply-To: <20110729232834.8e89ceac.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20110729232834.8e89ceac.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: <1312000589.4097.2.camel@taichi> Best place is over at MSNBC. You don't have to know diddly. It now takes more than 4 minutes to get through their 30 second ads. Adobe and Microsoft have all but locked out linux users. Tom On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 23:28 -0500, Jason Hsu wrote: > What are the best places in the Twin Cities for working as a software developer? > > The things I'm looking for: > 1. The team has all of the basic elements of a good software development team, such as version control, bug tracking, a 1-step build process, etc. Although I could be a hero by introducing a team to version control, bug tracking, the 1-step build process, etc., that would take time away from advancing the project, and a team lacking even the first few items in the Joel Test would surely have many, many issues. I'd rather be average or below average on a superior team than the hero of a lousy team. > 2. Software development is a very core part of what the company does. (I guess this means that software companies should be my top priorities in my job search while banks, insurance companies, etc. should probably be lesser priorities.) > 3. The company treats the software developers well and doesn't shortchange them on the resources they need. > 4. The team has good software developers and no bad ones (the ones who can't code their way out of a paper bag despite having a CS degree and/or "years of experience"). > 5. The team offers the option of using Linux instead of forcing Windows: Using Windows means sacrificing control, as nobody outside Microsoft knows everything about Windows. I do NOT want to have something go wrong and have to consider the possibility that Windows rot on my machine plays a role. > From marc at e-skinner.net Sat Jul 30 00:26:34 2011 From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 00:26:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Question about samba logins and high load average In-Reply-To: References: <4E32C93B.8030209@e-skinner.net> Message-ID: <4E33960A.6070605@e-skinner.net> Are you sharing the same mount point for samba and nfs? If so, that might be the problem, they both use a different locking mechanism, so you can get into locking contention. A couple of links: http://www.rootninja.com/disable-oplocks-in-a-heterogeneous-samba-nfs-environment/ http://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/NFSSambaLocking On 07/29/2011 09:04 PM, Jon Schewe wrote: > The load is due to lots of nfs transactions on the system. So the load > average is 7 because 7 nfs processes are stuck in I/O. > > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Marc Skinner wrote: >> >> Is the load due to samba or something else? If you do a top, what are the "top" processes running when your at a load of 7? smbd? nmbd? are you using software raid? could it be doing a rebuild at that time? >> >> Thanks! >> >> On 07/29/2011 08:19 AM, Jon Schewe wrote: >>> >>> I've got a fileserver that from time to time it's load climbs to >>> around 7. When this happens samba refuses more connections stating >>> that the maximum number of connections has been reached. I've not set >>> any connection maximums, so I shouldn't have any limits as the >>> defaults are all unlimited. Has anyone else run into this? >>> >>> Jon >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nesius at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 00:28:24 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 00:28:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Best places to work as a software developer In-Reply-To: <20110729232834.8e89ceac.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20110729232834.8e89ceac.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: I'd say the best place to work is for yourself - you're going to have complete control and will be able to focus on your craft on your terms. At the same time, it's hard to grow in a vacuum - I'd suggest finding a mature Open Source project to participate in. And to blend that into a career, try finding a company that provides commercial support for an Open Source product. No matter where you go you're going to find personalities that don't mesh with you, and software processes trapped by legacy considerations and past design decisions. Which is to say - there's always room for improvement. That's not an answer that provides you directly with contacts/companies to profile, but I hope you find it useful anyway. -Rob On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 11:28 PM, Jason Hsu wrote: > What are the best places in the Twin Cities for working as a software > developer? > > The things I'm looking for: > 1. The team has all of the basic elements of a good software development > team, such as version control, bug tracking, a 1-step build process, etc. > Although I could be a hero by introducing a team to version control, bug > tracking, the 1-step build process, etc., that would take time away from > advancing the project, and a team lacking even the first few items in the > Joel Test would surely have many, many issues. I'd rather be average or > below average on a superior team than the hero of a lousy team. > 2. Software development is a very core part of what the company does. (I > guess this means that software companies should be my top priorities in my > job search while banks, insurance companies, etc. should probably be lesser > priorities.) > 3. The company treats the software developers well and doesn't shortchange > them on the resources they need. > 4. The team has good software developers and no bad ones (the ones who > can't code their way out of a paper bag despite having a CS degree and/or > "years of experience"). > 5. The team offers the option of using Linux instead of forcing Windows: > Using Windows means sacrificing control, as nobody outside Microsoft knows > everything about Windows. I do NOT want to have something go wrong and have > to consider the possibility that Windows rot on my machine plays a role. > > -- > Jason Hsu > Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org) > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Sat Jul 30 00:43:44 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 00:43:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Best places to work as a software developer In-Reply-To: <20110729232834.8e89ceac.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20110729232834.8e89ceac.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: Oh jeez. Any more requirements? Free ice cream? Company car? Perhaps use of the company jet? OK, I hate to be all doom-and-gloom and all that, but you are seriously setting yourself up for MAJOR disappointment and stress. I've had a fair number of jobs that SEEMED perfect on paper, but once you start working there, you learn the truth. Eventually you learn to live -- and make the best -- with what you have. And the more you really need a job, the more your requirements seem to disolve. Now that I've hopefully scared you a bit, I do have to mention that it IS possible to find a job that you DO really enjoy. A lot. Be open minded though - it's ENTIRELY possible that your dream job is completely different than the kind of job you're going for! My advice? Apply for jobs that seem interesting. During the interview process, do NOT be afraid to ask /them/ many many questions. If the attitude or environment doesn't seem like it'll work for you, don't take it and move on to the next one. In all honestly, finding a good, dare I say it, fun work environemnt is probably just as (or more) important that the actual job itself! On Fri, 29 Jul 2011, Jason Hsu wrote: > What are the best places in the Twin Cities for working as a software developer? > > The things I'm looking for: > 1. The team has all of the basic elements of a good software development team, such as version control, bug tracking, a 1-step build process, etc. Although I could be a hero by introducing a team to version control, bug tracking, the 1-step build process, etc., that would take time away from advancing the project, and a team lacking even the first few items in the Joel Test would surely have many, many issues. I'd rather be average or below average on a superior team than the hero of a lousy team. > 2. Software development is a very core part of what the company does. (I guess this means that software companies should be my top priorities in my job search while banks, insurance companies, etc. should probably be lesser priorities.) > 3. The company treats the software developers well and doesn't shortchange them on the resources they need. > 4. The team has good software developers and no bad ones (the ones who can't code their way out of a paper bag despite having a CS degree and/or "years of experience"). > 5. The team offers the option of using Linux instead of forcing Windows: Using Windows means sacrificing control, as nobody outside Microsoft knows everything about Windows. I do NOT want to have something go wrong and have to consider the possibility that Windows rot on my machine plays a role. > > -- > Jason Hsu > Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org) > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -Yaron -- From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Sat Jul 30 07:59:16 2011 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 07:59:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Best places to work as a software developer In-Reply-To: References: <20110729232834.8e89ceac.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: <20110730075916.3191d977.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> How does the typical workplace do on the Joel Test (http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000043.html)? Joel says that a score of 10 or less is bad, though I suspect that only a small percentage of companies are 11 or 12. He says that most companies only rate a 2 or 3, which sounds very bad. I'm not that interested in perks like free pop (I don't drink it, and it's unhealthy), free beer (I don't drink it, and it would be bad for my concentration), foosball (nice to have but certainly not necessary), the right to bring my pet to work (since I have no pets), etc. If the work environment isn't right, no perks can make up for it. -- Jason Hsu Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org) From scottbb1973 at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 03:44:24 2011 From: scottbb1973 at gmail.com (Scott Berry) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 10:44:24 +0200 Subject: [tclug-list] still problems with apache2 Message-ID: <4E33C468.1020005@gmail.com> hello there, I am still having problems seeing php code in Apache. I have added the following to the setes-enabled 000-default in Ubuntu. I looked around but can't seem to see the library where php would load from either and as you can tell I have a load statement but when I loade Apache refuses to load I am assuming probably because it can't find the library to load. Is there an actual packaged file that i need from the Ubuntu repos? Thanks for the help. ServerAdmin webmaster at localhost DocumentRoot /var/www Options FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews AllowOverride None Order allow,deny allow from all ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ AllowOverride None Options +ExecCGI -MultiViews +SymLinksIfOwnerMatch Order allow,deny Allow from all ErrorLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/error.log # Possible values include: debug, info, notice, warn, error, crit, # alert, emerg. LogLevel warn CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/access.log combined Alias /doc/ "/usr/share/doc/" Options Indexes MultiViews FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None Order deny,allow Deny from all Allow from 127.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 ::1/128 #LoadModule php5_module libexec/libphp5.so AddType application/x-httpd-php .php -- Scott Berry E-mail Address: scottbb1973 at gmail.com Repeater Book Admin for the following states: north and South Dakota, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa Computer Certs: MCP, A+ Certified From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 12:11:24 2011 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 12:11:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Help with booting USB linux on Mac In-Reply-To: References: <20110726231528.GY29581@styx.iucha.org> Message-ID: Thanks guys for the responses. I'll probably just use a bootable CD, even with Refit and a GPT table it won't boot. -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Andrew S. Zbikowski wrote: > Alternatively you could just run it under VirtualBox > (http://www.virtualbox.org/) or your preferred virtualization > solution. > > Ubuntu appears to have some docs on installing Ubuntu on a MacBook, > may or may not be helpful: > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook > > rEFIt appears to have a solution: http://refit.sourceforge.net/ > http://www.slax.org/ > > Also, there is always the wise-guy option: > http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mac+linux+usb+boot ;) > > -- > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us > IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From blutgens at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 13:43:52 2011 From: blutgens at gmail.com (Ben) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 13:43:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] still problems with apache2 In-Reply-To: <4E33C468.1020005@gmail.com> References: <4E33C468.1020005@gmail.com> Message-ID: did you install php? On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 3:44 AM, Scott Berry wrote: > hello there, > > I am still having problems seeing php code in Apache. I have added the > following to the setes-enabled 000-default in Ubuntu. I looked around but > can't seem to see the library where php would load from either and as you > can tell I have a load statement but when I loade Apache refuses to load I > am assuming probably because it can't find the library to load. Is there an > actual packaged file that i need from the Ubuntu repos? > > Thanks for the help. > > > > > > > ServerAdmin webmaster at localhost > > DocumentRoot /var/www > > Options FollowSymLinks > AllowOverride None > > > Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews > AllowOverride None > Order allow,deny > allow from all > > > ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ > > AllowOverride None > Options +ExecCGI -MultiViews +SymLinksIfOwnerMatch > Order allow,deny > Allow from all > > > ErrorLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/error.log > > # Possible values include: debug, info, notice, warn, error, crit, > # alert, emerg. > LogLevel warn > > CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/access.log combined > > Alias /doc/ "/usr/share/doc/" > > Options Indexes MultiViews FollowSymLinks > AllowOverride None > Order deny,allow > Deny from all > Allow from 127.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 ::1/128 > > > #LoadModule php5_module libexec/libphp5.so > AddType application/x-httpd-php .php > > > -- > Scott Berry > E-mail Address: scottbb1973 at gmail.com > Repeater Book Admin for the following states: north and South Dakota, > Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa > Computer Certs: MCP, A+ Certified > ______________________________**_________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens Linux / Unix System Administrator Three of your friends throw up after eating chicken salad. Do you think: "I should find more robust friends" or "we should check that refrigerator"? -- Donald Becker, on vortex-bug, suspecting a network-wide problem -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 14:33:42 2011 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 14:33:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Best places to work as a software developer Message-ID: Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 07:59:16 -0500 From: Jason Hsu To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Best places to work as a software developer Message-ID: <20110730075916.3191d977.jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Jason Hsu: > How does the typical workplace do on the Joel Test ( http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000043.html)? Joel says that a score of 10 or less is bad, though I > suspect that only a small percentage of companies are 11 or 12. He says that most companies only rate a 2 or 3, which sounds very bad. The most interesting thing on his list in my opinion is the quiet work environment. For some reason that has been a casualty at a lot of companies. I aim to bring that back with the company I'm developing. I can't offer any suggestions on companies to consider, but hope you will keep working on Swift Linux. You may find as I have that the competition out there self-destructs around you while you just go about your business. -- Brian Wood Ebenezer Enterprises http://webEbenezer.net "In a place where there are no men, strive to become a man." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjensen at apache.org Sat Jul 30 15:04:57 2011 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 15:04:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Best places to work as a software developer In-Reply-To: <20110730075916.3191d977.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20110729232834.8e89ceac.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> <20110730075916.3191d977.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: I like that Joel post. Excellent ideas. Most of my customers have a few of those items but not enough. I have the fun of helping to improve their processes too. Here [1] are a bunch of places to consider in your quest. The Business Journal has done this survey for 13? years. Company employees fill it out anonymously. The survey has many pages/questions (my employer has participated/won for the past 7? years). [1] http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/news/2011/07/08/best-places-to-work.html On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Jason Hsu wrote: > How does the typical workplace do on the Joel Test ( > http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000043.html)? Joel says > that a score of 10 or less is bad, though I suspect that only a small > percentage of companies are 11 or 12. He says that most companies only rate > a 2 or 3, which sounds very bad. > > I'm not that interested in perks like free pop (I don't drink it, and it's > unhealthy), free beer (I don't drink it, and it would be bad for my > concentration), foosball (nice to have but certainly not necessary), the > right to bring my pet to work (since I have no pets), etc. If the work > environment isn't right, no perks can make up for it. > > -- > Jason Hsu > Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org) > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nealzimm at cpinternet.com Sat Jul 30 17:53:52 2011 From: nealzimm at cpinternet.com (Neal Zimmermann) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 17:53:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] DNS, DHCP Problems or misunderstanding Message-ID: <1312066432.4226.8.camel@fenton.leeshore.net> I have been having problems getting a linux server (running Fedora 14) to function as a DNS/DHCP server. Because there is a NFS server running, I need to have the DNS assign specific addresses to specific machines. If I configure makedo.mumbles.com for DHCP client, it winds up with address 10.10.0.120, I would like it to have address 10.10.0.164. Below are the configuration files. Can anyone spot where I went wrong? TIA Neal // // named.conf // // Provided by Red Hat bind package to configure the ISC BIND named(8) DNS // server as a caching only nameserver (as a localhost DNS resolver only). // // See /usr/share/doc/bind*/sample/ for example named configuration files. // options { listen-on port 53 { 127.0.0.1; 10.10.0.101; }; directory "/var/named"; dump-file "/var/named/data/cache_dump.db"; statistics-file "/var/named/data/named_stats.txt"; memstatistics-file "/var/named/data/named_mem_stats.txt"; allow-query { 127.0.0.1; 10.10.0.101; }; query-source address * port 53; forward first; forwarders { 209.240.224.1; 209.240.254.1; }; recursion yes; dnssec-enable yes; dnssec-validation yes; dnssec-lookaside auto; /* Path to ISC DLV key */ bindkeys-file "/etc/named.iscdlv.key"; managed-keys-directory "/var/named/dynamic"; }; logging { channel default_debug { file "data/named.run"; severity dynamic; }; channel update_debug { file "data/update-debug.log"; severity debug 3; print-category yes; print-severity yes; print-time yes; }; channel security_info { file "data/named-auth.log"; severity info; print-category yes; print-severity yes; print-time yes; }; category update { update_debug; }; category security { security_info; }; }; zone "." IN { type hint; file "named.ca"; }; key "DYNAMIC_DNS_KEY" { algorithm hmac-md5; secret "somerandomcharacters"; }; zone "mumbles.com" IN { type master; notify no; allow-update { key DYNAMIC_DNS_KEY; }; file "data/leeshore.zone"; }; zone "96.168.172.in-addr.arpa" IN { type master; notify no; allow-update { key DYNAMIC_DNS_KEY; }; file "data/reverse-172-168-96-100.zone"; }; # Use with the following in named.conf, adjusting the allow list as needed: key "rndc-key" { algorithm hmac-md5; secret "moresomerandomcharacters"; }; controls { inet 127.0.0.1 port 953 allow { 127.0.0.1; } keys { "rndc-key"; }; }; # End of named.conf ################################# FORWARD ZONE FILE ############################ # include "/etc/rndc.key"; include "/etc/named.rfc1912.zones"; ; ; Zone File for "mumbles.com" - Internal Use ONLY ; $TTL 1D @ IN SOA galaxy.mumbles.com. sysadmin.mumbles.com. ( 10 ; Serial 8H ; Refresh 2H ; Retry 4W ; Expire 1D ) ; Minimum ; IN NS galaxy ; Name Server for the domain ; mumbles.com IN A 10.10.0.101 galaxy IN A 10.10.0.101 www IN CNAME galaxy ; 'galaxy' is also known as www ftp IN CNAME galaxy ; 'galaxy' is also known as ftp ; den2 IN A 10.10.0.151 makedo IN A 10.10.0.164 rently IN A 10.10.0.172 oldguy IN A 10.10.0.188 dently IN A 10.10.0.195 vdently01 IN A 10.10.0.101 mack IN A 10.10.0.203 wanderer IN A 10.10.0.217 fenton IN A 10.10.0.223 testbed01 IN A 10.10.0.224 testbed02 IN A 10.10.0.225 testbed03 IN A 10.10.0.226 ################################# REVERSE ZONE FILE ############################ ; ; Reverse File for network 10.10.0.101 - Internal Use ONLY ; $TTL 1D @ IN SOA galaxy.mumbles.com. sysadmin.mumbles.com. ( 10 ; Serial 8H ; Refresh 2H ; Retry 4W ; Expire 1D ) ; Minimum ; IN NS galaxy.mumbles.com. 101 IN PTR galaxy.mumbles.com. ; 151 IN PTR den2.mumbles.com. 164 IN PTR makedo.mumbles.com. 172 IN PTR rently.mumbles.com. 188 IN PTR oldguy.mumbles.com. 195 IN PTR dently.mumbles.com. 196 IN PTR vdently01.mumbles.com. 203 IN PTR mack.mumbles.com. 217 IN PTR wanderer.mumbles.com. 223 IN PTR fenton.mumbles.com. 224 IN PTR testbed01.mumbles.com. 225 IN PTR testbed02.mumbles.com. 226 IN PTR testbed03.mumbles.com. ################################# DHCPD.CONF FILE ############################ # dhcpd.conf # # Sample configuration file for ISC dhcpd # # Use this to enble / disable dynamic dns updates globally. ddns-update-style interim; allow client-updates; lease-file-name "/var/lib/dhcpd/dhcpd.leases"; # If this DHCP server is the official DHCP server for the local # network, the authoritative directive should be uncommented. authoritative; # option definitions common to all supported networks... default-lease-time 86400; # 24 hours max-lease-time 172800; # 48 hours # A slightly different configuration for an internal subnet. subnet 10.10.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { range 10.10.0.120 10.10.0.255; option routers 10.10.0.113; option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0; option broadcast-address 10.10.0.255; option domain-name-servers 10.10.0.101; # option ntp-servers 10.10.0.101; option domain-name "mumbles.com"; } key "DYNAMIC_DNS_KEY" { algorithm hmac-md5; secret "somerandomcharacters"; } zone mumbles.com. { primary 127.0.0.1; key DYNAMIC_DNS_KEY; } zone 101.96.168.172.in-addr.arpa. { primary 127.0.0.1; key DYNAMIC_DNS_KEY; } ################################# RNDC.CONF FILE ############################ key "rndc-key" { algorithm hmac-md5; secret "moresomerandomcharacters"; }; options { default-key "rndc-key"; default-server 127.0.0.1; default-port 953; }; # End of rndc.conf ################################# HOST.CONF FILE ############################ multi on order hosts,bind From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 18:19:44 2011 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 18:19:44 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] DNS, DHCP Problems or misunderstanding In-Reply-To: <1312066432.4226.8.camel@fenton.leeshore.net> References: <1312066432.4226.8.camel@fenton.leeshore.net> Message-ID: DNS does not assign addresses - DHCP does. You need to add two things to your dhcpd.conf. First, tell it that 164 is an exception to the pool range (so it doesn't try to hand that out to any other machines). Then, tell it to always give 164 to the machine with a MAC address matching that of the client in question (a "static lease"). - Tony Yarusso From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Sat Jul 30 18:49:04 2011 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 18:49:04 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] iptables question In-Reply-To: References: <201107282149.p6SLnEg4010530@okra.fo4.net> Message-ID: turns out some container-to-host connections pass through the FORWARD chain, and some pass through the INPUT chain. hmm. well whatever. got it now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nealzimm at cpinternet.com Sat Jul 30 18:59:58 2011 From: nealzimm at cpinternet.com (Neal Zimmermann) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 18:59:58 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] DNS, DHCP Problems or misunderstanding In-Reply-To: References: <1312066432.4226.8.camel@fenton.leeshore.net> Message-ID: <1312070398.2684.1.camel@fenton.leeshore.net> Thanks Tony!! I was going through the DHCP man pages and ran across a reference to that, but since it was not in the how-to, I never thought that it might be needed. Thanks again. Neal On Sat, 2011-07-30 at 18:19 -0500, Tony Yarusso wrote: > DNS does not assign addresses - DHCP does. You need to add two things > to your dhcpd.conf. First, tell it that 164 is an exception to the > pool range (so it doesn't try to hand that out to any other machines). > Then, tell it to always give 164 to the machine with a MAC address > matching that of the client in question (a "static lease"). > > - Tony Yarusso > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jpschewe at mtu.net Sat Jul 30 20:01:29 2011 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 20:01:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Question about samba logins and high load average In-Reply-To: <4E33960A.6070605@e-skinner.net> References: <4E32C93B.8030209@e-skinner.net> <4E33960A.6070605@e-skinner.net> Message-ID: Yes, I am serving up the same filesystems. However that hasn't been a problem in the past. The load average has gone up recently because of multiple builds starting at the same time. What I can't figure out is why samba is then denying logins at this time. On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 12:26 AM, Marc Skinner wrote: > Are you sharing the same mount point for samba and nfs? ?If so, that might > be the problem, they both use a different locking mechanism, so you can get > into locking contention. > > A couple of links: > > http://www.rootninja.com/disable-oplocks-in-a-heterogeneous-samba-nfs-environment/ > > > http://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/NFSSambaLocking > > > On 07/29/2011 09:04 PM, Jon Schewe wrote: >> >> The load is due to lots of nfs transactions on the system. So the load >> average is 7 because 7 nfs processes are stuck in I/O. >> >> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Marc Skinner ?wrote: >>> >>> Is the load due to samba or something else? ?If you do a top, what are >>> the "top" processes running when your at a load of 7? ?smbd? nmbd? are you >>> using software raid? could it be doing a rebuild at that time? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> On 07/29/2011 08:19 AM, Jon Schewe wrote: >>>> >>>> I've got a fileserver that from time to time it's load climbs to >>>> around 7. When this happens samba refuses more connections stating >>>> that the maximum number of connections has been reached. I've not set >>>> any connection maximums, so I shouldn't have any limits as the >>>> defaults are all unlimited. Has anyone else run into this? >>>> >>>> Jon >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From nesius at gmail.com Sun Jul 31 22:03:35 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 22:03:35 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] DNS, DHCP Problems or misunderstanding In-Reply-To: References: <1312066432.4226.8.camel@fenton.leeshore.net> Message-ID: On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Tony Yarusso wrote: > DNS does not assign addresses - DHCP does. He can assign the address in DNS as long as he sets the ip address statically on the client. Perhaps I'm just being pedantic. :) I tend to prefer DHCP reservations myself. -Rob > You need to add two things > to your dhcpd.conf. First, tell it that 164 is an exception to the > pool range (so it doesn't try to hand that out to any other machines). > Then, tell it to always give 164 to the machine with a MAC address > matching that of the client in question (a "static lease"). > > - Tony Yarusso > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Sun Jul 31 22:50:46 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 22:50:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] DNS, DHCP Problems or misunderstanding In-Reply-To: References: <1312066432.4226.8.camel@fenton.leeshore.net> Message-ID: <95921296-5D6B-4F6E-A83B-E67AEFB0B3CE@me.com> On Jul 30, 2011, at 6:19 PM, Tony Yarusso wrote: > DNS does not assign addresses - DHCP does. You need to add two things > to your dhcpd.conf. First, tell it that 164 is an exception to the > pool range (so it doesn't try to hand that out to any other machines). > Then, tell it to always give 164 to the machine with a MAC address > matching that of the client in question (a "static lease"). This last point isn't quite true. The DHCP will query "Is x.x.x.164 available?" (install/run wireshark... ISC polls about every 4-5 minutes I think) and if it doesn't get a "I have x.x.x.164!" response it will mark it as assignable... and when it tries to assign it will query the network again in case that IP shows up in the interim. -- Ryan From BrianDG at Goecke-Dolan.com Fri Jul 29 02:52:24 2011 From: BrianDG at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 02:52:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] For Sale; 2.8Ghz Computer; 5port 10/100 switch; Mac mini Powersupply Message-ID: <4E3266B8.1090202@Goecke-Dolan.com> Dell GX280 Small form factor computer 2.8Ghz P4 CPU 160GB Hard drive 1G Ram DVD-Rom drive Dual Boot, Windows XP-Pro and Ubuntu 11.04 loaded I would like $125 (or best offer) 5 Port 10/100 Switch Netgear FS605 $5 Mac Mini Power supply 85W Model # A1105 $20 Email me if you are interested, we can make arrangements to meet or you can come to the Penguins Unbound Meeting Saturday. Thanks. ==>brian. From bradyh at gmail.com Sat Jul 30 09:00:10 2011 From: bradyh at gmail.com (Brady Hegberg) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 09:00:10 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Best places to work as a software developer In-Reply-To: <20110729232834.8e89ceac.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20110729232834.8e89ceac.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: Except for the last one this describes almost every contract I've ever had. Very few large companies will let you code on Linux. The one exception I found was Boston Scientific. So your best bet is working for smaller companies. I started off working for a 120 person company. I was the entire development team. It was good experience but they didn't pay very well. Generally small companies won't. I like being a contractor because you tend to move around a lot and get a more diverse experience. If you get into a bad situation, well, 6 months from now you'll be in a new and hopefully better one. -Brady On Jul 29, 2011, at 11:28 PM, Jason Hsu wrote: > What are the best places in the Twin Cities for working as a software developer? > > The things I'm looking for: > 1. The team has all of the basic elements of a good software development team, such as version control, bug tracking, a 1-step build process, etc. Although I could be a hero by introducing a team to version control, bug tracking, the 1-step build process, etc., that would take time away from advancing the project, and a team lacking even the first few items in the Joel Test would surely have many, many issues. I'd rather be average or below average on a superior team than the hero of a lousy team. > 2. Software development is a very core part of what the company does. (I guess this means that software companies should be my top priorities in my job search while banks, insurance companies, etc. should probably be lesser priorities.) > 3. The company treats the software developers well and doesn't shortchange them on the resources they need. > 4. The team has good software developers and no bad ones (the ones who can't code their way out of a paper bag despite having a CS degree and/or "years of experience"). > 5. The team offers the option of using Linux instead of forcing Windows: Using Windows means sacrificing control, as nobody outside Microsoft knows everything about Windows. I do NOT want to have something go wrong and have to consider the possibility that Windows rot on my machine plays a role. > > -- > Jason Hsu > Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org) > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list