From josh at tcbug.org Wed Jun 1 10:09:42 2011 From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2011 10:09:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Swift Linux 0.1.1 is now available! In-Reply-To: <20110530165125.ce46c513.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20110530165125.ce46c513.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: <4DE65636.1060702@tcbug.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 05/30/2011 16:51, Jason Hsu wrote: > Swift Linux 0.1.1 is now available at http://www.swiftlinux.org and based on antiX Linux M11. There are two plain vanilla editions (Diet Swift Linux and Regular Swift Linux) and three special editions (Taylor Swift Linux, Minnesota Swift Linux, and Chicago Swift Linux). Minnesota Swift Linux features the Duluth lift bridge at login, the Spoonbridge and Cherry sculpture on the desktop, and audio clips of loons at startup. Yes, these special editions are inspired by Hannah Montana Linux. > > Swift Linux is lightweight, user-friendly, and fully compatible with the large Debian software repository. No other distro can compete with Swift Linux on all three of these criteria. If you wish that Puppy Linux had a large software repository, or if you wish that Linux Mint could be as lightweight as Puppy Linux, then this is the distro for you. > > Swift Linux gives that old computer a new lease on life! Windows XP support ends on April 8, 2014. Instead of spending hundreds of dollars on a new computer or slowing down your old computer with a costly and bloated "upgrade", make the REAL UPGRADE to Swift Linux. > > P.S. Swift Linux NEEDS more developers! The version control system is GitHub (https://github.com/swiftlinux), and the bug/goal tracker is Launchpad.net (https://launchpad.net/swiftlinux). Developers who have worked on any of the following distros are especially appreciated: > Linux Mint (very successful track record and user-friendly) > Puppy Linux (very lightweight and user-friendly) > antiX Linux (parent distro of Swift Linux) > MEPIS Linux (parent distro of antiX Linux) I always wonder if this is serious or just intending to be humorous. On a slightly different humorous note, I like finding distros with the longest "lineages" For example Turbo-Awesome linux (used by it's creator Steve, and 3 of his friends), based on Mint, which is based on Ubuntu, which is based on Debian is a 3. I thought at one point I had found one with 5, but am unable to remember which distro that was, other than it was ultimately based on Slackware. Debian -> MEPIS -> antiX -> Swift would be a 3. What's the best anyone's got? I'm waiting for things to compile and could use a good laugh. - -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJN5lY2AAoJEKFq1/n1feG2/9AH/iarzXGdQDwdcQard0T3NIlB Ekl3MI8mf7/JfoqiW+LI2stZP7Cc2E8dmaCS1vRoJGVQnFMA1fLaOOO52oQN9ems rb4mCbD0djPfEWCO3gnXc/5S11sG1FuUWdbKR2k8/o2CUvUGkp95qdT6yIB/KV4d t28a7cAa0gzEVF3V1MDLUL9Z0pJngoql7+Ei71bsRrtJBSQ/FYKdiIEwd6+1miV5 lPB65vaBE7Nt7C9CDKIzWgempLAylvU9WomyFnliNmRZcuEoOCtBxiT1324oxa3+ RUOZJSh9E9KQaG+qWsq/li/5CaMGE+AYffWKywLre5x/gMYi49dVeFyPv36yW6w= =qenS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 00:11:20 2011 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 00:11:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] What companies in the Twin Cities have a "hacker-centric" culture? In-Reply-To: <20110516221027.70178b41.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20110516221027.70178b41.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: Jason Hsu cried from the depths of the abyss... > and the pointy-haired idiots? I have to be honest, I have been chuckling for weeks now about this, and the "ass hat" follow-up reference was priceless. Thanks TCLUG for the good times! (still laughing) Mr. B-o-B From random at argle.org Thu Jun 2 09:51:34 2011 From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 09:51:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Healthy hands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DE7A376.1010807@argle.org> On 05/26/2011 04:50 PM, r j wrote: > What do you do to keep your hands in good shape? > Coming at this kind of late, but the martial arts Aikido and Chin-na both have a strong emphasis on hand and wrist strength and flexibility. There are several Aikido studios in the twin cities, though you'd have to check out the kung-fu studios to find one that includes chin-na in their curriculum. Fitness and health are generally important to good mental performance, so the time and money you would spend on martial arts training would definitely not be wasted. -- Dan From nesius at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 10:31:20 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 10:31:20 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Healthy hands In-Reply-To: <4DE7A376.1010807@argle.org> References: <4DE7A376.1010807@argle.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Daniel Taylor wrote: > On 05/26/2011 04:50 PM, r j wrote: > > > What do you do to keep your hands in good shape? > > > Coming at this kind of late, but the martial arts Aikido and Chin-na > both have a strong emphasis on hand and wrist strength and flexibility. > > There are several Aikido studios in the twin cities, though you'd have > to check out the kung-fu studios to find one that includes chin-na in > their curriculum. > > Fitness and health are generally important to good mental performance, > so the time and money you would spend on martial arts training would > definitely not be wasted. > > I'll definitely echo an agreement on this one. When I was more actively training and getting thrown all over the place courtesy of various wrist locks, my wrists and forearms definitely were doing better in general at the keyboard. -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tmarble at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 10:54:07 2011 From: tmarble at gmail.com (Tom Marble) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 10:54:07 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Wanted: embedded C developer Message-ID: <4DE7B21F.2010802@gmail.com> All: An agency contacted me for some embedded work, but I'm too busy! :) Apologize for the brief mail and cross-post, but if this can help local hackers I thought it would be worth it. Please followup to me directly, off-list. Regards, --Tom Where: Minneapolis, MN Duration: 3 Months Skills: Firmware: Embedded C, ARM7. PIC Pluses: C++, CANbus,, Controls Project: add some new features for existing boards From tclug at freakzilla.com Thu Jun 2 10:57:53 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 10:57:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Healthy hands In-Reply-To: References: <4DE7A376.1010807@argle.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Jun 2011, Robert Nesius wrote: > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Daniel Taylor wrote: > > Coming at this kind of late, but the martial arts Aikido and > > Chin-na both have a strong emphasis on hand and wrist strength > I'll definitely echo an agreement on this one. And I'm going to chime in with a warning - if you already HAVE wrsit problems, Aikido can make them A LOT WORSE. Which is very sad because I actually really enjoyed Aikido but it was DECIMATING my wrists. -Yaron -- From nesius at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 11:03:31 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 11:03:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Healthy hands In-Reply-To: References: <4DE7A376.1010807@argle.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Yaron wrote: > On Thu, 2 Jun 2011, Robert Nesius wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Daniel Taylor wrote: >> > Coming at this kind of late, but the martial arts Aikido and >> > Chin-na both have a strong emphasis on hand and wrist strength >> > > I'll definitely echo an agreement on this one. >> > > > And I'm going to chime in with a warning - if you already HAVE wrsit > problems, Aikido can make them A LOT WORSE. Which is very sad because I > actually really enjoyed Aikido but it was DECIMATING my wrists. > > > Definitely a good counter-point to share, Yaron. Regardless of the activity - listen to your body. Sorry you had to let go of Aikido. :( -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chrome at real-time.com Thu Jun 2 11:33:36 2011 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 11:33:36 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Healthy hands In-Reply-To: ; from tclug@freakzilla.com on Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 10:57:53AM -0500 References: <4DE7A376.1010807@argle.org> Message-ID: <20110602113336.B26297@real-time.com> On 06/02 10:57 , Yaron wrote: > And I'm going to chime in with a warning - if you already HAVE wrsit > problems, Aikido can make them A LOT WORSE. Which is very sad because I > actually really enjoyed Aikido but it was DECIMATING my wrists. You mean 90% of your wrists were beating the other 10% to death? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimation_(Roman_army) Perhaps you mean 'devastate' (which probably has its own grammatical issues). -- Carl Soderstrom "And as for grammar, it's pretty much a thing of nothing at last, after all the fuss that's made about it." -- David Crockett, _A Narrative of the Life of David Crockett (1834)_ From tclug at freakzilla.com Thu Jun 2 11:37:06 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 11:37:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Healthy hands In-Reply-To: <20110602113336.B26297@real-time.com> References: <4DE7A376.1010807@argle.org> <20110602113336.B26297@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Jun 2011, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > You mean 90% of your wrists were beating the other 10% to death? Yes. You use your wrists a lot in Aikido, and the 10% of my wrists that are suffering from various wrist-affecting problems were being adversely affected by the healthy 90%'s actions. Happy? (; -Yaron -- From chrome at real-time.com Thu Jun 2 11:56:50 2011 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 11:56:50 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Healthy hands In-Reply-To: ; from tclug@freakzilla.com on Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 11:37:06AM -0500 References: <4DE7A376.1010807@argle.org> <20110602113336.B26297@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20110602115650.D26297@real-time.com> On 06/02 11:37 , Yaron wrote: > On Thu, 2 Jun 2011, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > You mean 90% of your wrists were beating the other 10% to death? > > Yes. You use your wrists a lot in Aikido, and the 10% of my wrists that > are suffering from various wrist-affecting problems were being adversely > affected by the healthy 90%'s actions. Happy? (; Are you sure it was *exactly* 90/10? If it was 88/12 then would it be dodecimation? :) -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 11:59:31 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 11:59:31 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Healthy hands In-Reply-To: References: <4DE7A376.1010807@argle.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Jun 2011, Yaron wrote: > On Thu, 2 Jun 2011, Robert Nesius wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Daniel Taylor wrote: >> >>> Coming at this kind of late, but the martial arts Aikido and Chin-na >>> both have a strong emphasis on hand and wrist strength > >> I'll definitely echo an agreement on this one. > > And I'm going to chime in with a warning - if you already HAVE wrsit > problems, Aikido can make them A LOT WORSE. I would guess that wrists with repetitive stress problems need rest more than anything else, but (if you have health insurance) I would try to find a physician who specializes in treating this kind of problem. Otherwise, I would try to read reputable web sites on the topic, maybe from places like NIH, Johns Hopkins or Mayo Clinic. I have nothing against the ideas being presented here, but they aren't based on randomized clinical trials, just individual experiences, and they can mislead or not apply well to someone else's specific case. Mike From tclug at freakzilla.com Thu Jun 2 12:01:20 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 12:01:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Healthy hands In-Reply-To: <20110602115650.D26297@real-time.com> References: <4DE7A376.1010807@argle.org> <20110602113336.B26297@real-time.com> <20110602115650.D26297@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Jun 2011, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > Are you sure it was *exactly* 90/10? Absolutely. It was scientifically measured. You can trust me. -Yaron -- From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 12:17:06 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 12:17:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Healthy hands In-Reply-To: <20110602115650.D26297@real-time.com> References: <4DE7A376.1010807@argle.org> <20110602113336.B26297@real-time.com> <20110602115650.D26297@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Jun 2011, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > On 06/02 11:37 , Yaron wrote: > >> On Thu, 2 Jun 2011, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: >> >>> You mean 90% of your wrists were beating the other 10% to death? >> >> Yes. You use your wrists a lot in Aikido, and the 10% of my wrists that >> are suffering from various wrist-affecting problems were being >> adversely affected by the healthy 90%'s actions. Happy? (; > > Are you sure it was *exactly* 90/10? > > If it was 88/12 then would it be dodecimation? Is 80/20 called icosimation? Mike From chrome at real-time.com Thu Jun 2 12:25:46 2011 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 12:25:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Healthy hands In-Reply-To: ; from tclug@freakzilla.com on Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 12:01:20PM -0500 References: <4DE7A376.1010807@argle.org> <20110602113336.B26297@real-time.com> <20110602115650.D26297@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20110602122546.E26297@real-time.com> On 06/02 12:01 , Yaron wrote: > On Thu, 2 Jun 2011, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > > > Are you sure it was *exactly* 90/10? > > Absolutely. It was scientifically measured. You can trust me. Ok. I trust you. They're your wrists after all. :) -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Thu Jun 2 13:14:07 2011 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 13:14:07 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] device enumeration reversal Message-ID: <201106021814.p52IE7Mh008313@okra.fo4.net> i'm upgrading a server from jaunty to SL-60. annoyingly, jaunty and SL-60 enumerate eth0 and eth1 backwards from each other. i tried including the desired HWADDR in each ifcfg-ethN but to my surprise the result was "Device eth0 has different MAC address than expected, ignoring." "Device eth1 has different MAC address than expected, ignoring." anyone have or see any good solutions to this? From eminmn at sysmatrix.net Thu Jun 2 14:22:10 2011 From: eminmn at sysmatrix.net (Ed C.) Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:22:10 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Healthy hands In-Reply-To: <4DE7A376.1010807@argle.org> References: <4DE7A376.1010807@argle.org> Message-ID: <4DE7E2E2.8020201@sysmatrix.net> Daniel Taylor wrote: > On 05/26/2011 04:50 PM, r j wrote: > >> What do you do to keep your hands in good shape? >> > Coming at this kind of late, but the martial arts Aikido and Chin-na > both have a strong emphasis on hand and wrist strength and flexibility. > > There are several Aikido studios in the twin cities, though you'd have > to check out the kung-fu studios to find one that includes chin-na in > their curriculum. > > Fitness and health are generally important to good mental performance, > so the time and money you would spend on martial arts training would > definitely not be wasted. > When using something like Emacs or an IDE, hunt and peck is probably more ergonomic than Qwerty. Also, everytime you move your whole arm (from the shoulder on down) from keyboard to the mouse is approximately equivalent to another 10 minutes of keyboarding. RMS of rms and rsi fame (also started gnu and Emacs) probably wouldn't have injured his hands so much if he could have stuck with the Symbolics Space Cadet keyboard. The best solution I have come up with so far is Dvorak layout, mod key layout symmetrical with space bar (super, alt, ctl, space, ctl, alt, super, hyper) swap Caps-lock and backslash-bar keys. Ideal for Emacs would be split space-bar (backspace-space) with shift keys directly right and left (i.e. all mod keys on same row as space-bar). Then left paren would be shift-backspace and right paren would be shift-space. With that setup and keyboard could be played more like a musical instrument. ed p.s. I looks like distro glut is a bigger enemy than feature bloat when it comes to personalizing i/o devices. I get more reliable results using the Windows registry and Keytweak than I do using xkb, xmodmap, and other supposedly rationally designed Linux configuration utilities. How can I turn my ubuntu meerkat install into into a single user OS so it works reliably? From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Thu Jun 2 14:48:12 2011 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 14:48:12 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] device enumeration reversal Message-ID: <201106021948.p52JmCrE009714@okra.fo4.net> > /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules bingo. thanks! From admin at lctn.org Fri Jun 3 08:51:10 2011 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 08:51:10 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] AP question Message-ID: <4DE8E6CE.1080003@lctn.org> Anyone know if the SonicPoint-N Dual-Radio AP is known as having incredible coverage in a block and steel building? Not looking for other recommendations. Just have a vendor claiming over twice the coverage of the HP E-MSM430 AP From ddezurik at yahoo.com Tue Jun 7 19:21:16 2011 From: ddezurik at yahoo.com (Damien DeZurik) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 17:21:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [tclug-list] 5 Message-ID: <706510.49203.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I have never thought that sites can be such interesting!... http://lake1004.com/friends.links.php?uwugoogleId=02u3 From jucziz6 at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 09:04:09 2011 From: jucziz6 at gmail.com (James) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 09:04:09 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] 5 In-Reply-To: <706510.49203.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <706510.49203.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This web site has been reported as an attack page. On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Damien DeZurik wrote: > I have never thought that sites can be such interesting!... http://lake1004.com/friends.links.php?uwugoogleId=02u3 > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From cwgriesel at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 09:11:46 2011 From: cwgriesel at gmail.com (Curtis Griesel) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 09:11:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] 5 In-Reply-To: References: <706510.49203.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 9:04 AM, James wrote: > This web site has been reported as an attack page. > That's right, and if I report the message as spam to Google, will mn-linux.org get blacklisted? > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Damien DeZurik wrote: >> I have never thought that sites can be such interesting!... http://lake1004.com/friends.links.php?uwugoogleId=02u3 >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Jun 8 09:13:54 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 09:13:54 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] 5 In-Reply-To: References: <706510.49203.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: No, the sender should be. On Jun 8, 2011, at 9:11 AM, Curtis Griesel wrote: > On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 9:04 AM, James wrote: >> This web site has been reported as an attack page. >> > > That's right, and if I report the message as spam to Google, will > mn-linux.org get blacklisted? > > > >> On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Damien DeZurik wrote: >>> I have never thought that sites can be such interesting!... http://lake1004.com/friends.links.php?uwugoogleId=02u3 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jucziz6 at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 09:26:23 2011 From: jucziz6 at gmail.com (James) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 09:26:23 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] 5 In-Reply-To: References: <706510.49203.qm@web111310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ok, I'll be a bit more clear, http://lake1004.com/friends.links.php?uwugoogleId=02u3, has been reported as an attack website. On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > No, the sender should be. > > On Jun 8, 2011, at 9:11 AM, Curtis Griesel wrote: > >> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 9:04 AM, James wrote: >>> This web site has been reported as an attack page. >>> >> >> That's right, and if I report the message as spam to Google, will >> mn-linux.org get blacklisted? >> >> >> >>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Damien DeZurik wrote: >>>> I have never thought that sites can be such interesting!... http://lake1004.com/friends.links.php?uwugoogleId=02u3 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From baskets at embarqmail.com Wed Jun 8 13:40:05 2011 From: baskets at embarqmail.com (Heather) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 13:40:05 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Help with site invasion Message-ID: <4DEFC205.30101@embarqmail.com> I have a site which has invaded. I can't close it out. Any thoughts on how to remove permanently! I've attached screenshot. I'm using Ubuntu. Thank you! Heather -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: moz-screenshot.png Type: image/png Size: 143239 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screenshot.png Type: image/png Size: 115597 bytes Desc: not available URL: From baskets at embarqmail.com Wed Jun 8 15:10:39 2011 From: baskets at embarqmail.com (Me) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 15:10:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Help with site invasion In-Reply-To: <4DEFC205.30101@embarqmail.com> References: <4DEFC205.30101@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <7716c3c1-f899-4c15-b4d4-f09df7a83b51@blur> Fixed it! Sent via DROID X Please excuse grammatical errors -----Original message----- From: Heather To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2011 18:40:05 GMT+00:00 Subject: [tclug-list] Help with site invasion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andyzib at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 15:07:31 2011 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 15:07:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Help with site invasion In-Reply-To: <4DEFC205.30101@embarqmail.com> References: <4DEFC205.30101@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: When all else fails, command line: # ps aux | grep firefox # kill -9 or # killall -9 firefox Should do the trick. Don't restore your tabs when you restart Firefox. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 16:10:18 2011 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 16:10:18 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Help with site invasion In-Reply-To: References: <4DEFC205.30101@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Although this has been fixed, another good one would be: killall -r firefox The -r signifies a regular expression, so all processes with firefox are killed. Perhaps -9 does the same thing, I haven't tried that before. The original OP screen-shots gave me a good laugh- it's always funny to see Windows viruses attempting to run in Linux =) -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 3:07 PM, Andrew S. Zbikowski wrote: > > When all else fails, command line: > > # ps aux | grep firefox > # kill -9 > ???? or > # killall -9 firefox > > Should do the trick. Don't restore your tabs when you restart Firefox. > > -- > Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us > IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nesius at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 16:38:40 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 16:38:40 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Help with site invasion In-Reply-To: References: <4DEFC205.30101@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Jeremy MountainJohnson < jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com> wrote: > Although this has been fixed, another good one would be: > > killall -r firefox > > The -r signifies a regular expression, so all processes with firefox > are killed. Perhaps -9 does the same thing, I haven't tried that > before. > By default, the kill command sends the TERM signal to a process. This gives the process to gracefully shut itself down. It's possible this will not succeed if a process has blocked (masked) signals for some reason (such as being in a critical section). In such cases, the KILL signal (9) may be sent instead. The KILL signal cannot be blocked. Using kill -9 can create zombies, if my memory serves correctly. Oh, and 'kill -' sends the signal corresponding to that number. The following commands are the same. kill kill -15 # man kill <...> SIGNALS The signals listed below may be available for use with kill. When known constant, numbers and default behavior are shown. Name Num Action Description 0 0 n/a exit code indicates if a signal may be sent ALRM 14 exit HUP 1 exit INT 2 exit KILL 9 exit cannot be blocked PIPE 13 exit POLL exit PROF exit TERM 15 exit > > The original OP screen-shots gave me a good laugh- it's always funny > to see Windows viruses attempting to run in Linux =) > Reminds me of the time a script kiddy owned my PPC Mac OS X machine and immediately notified me of his success by installing an x86 root kit, which of course rendered the machine unusable for the both of us. -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dan at dburkland.com Wed Jun 8 17:19:30 2011 From: dan at dburkland.com (Dan Burkland) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 17:19:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 78, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1A7CB994-D3B3-4ABD-AB36-865F8FD83E0D@dburkland.com> Kill Firefox :) Regards, Dan Sent from my iPhone, please excuse typos. On Jun 8, 2011, at 1:42 PM, tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org wrote: > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Help with site invasion (Heather) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 13:40:05 -0500 > From: Heather > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: [tclug-list] Help with site invasion > Message-ID: <4DEFC205.30101 at embarqmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > I have a site which has invaded. I can't close it out. Any thoughts on > how to remove permanently! > I've attached screenshot. 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I'd like to hear from those of you who have worked on Linux distros, especially Linux Mint, Sabayon, Puppy Linux, and antiX Linux. I'm certain that there are better ways of doing things. I'd especially like to see examples of code that I should be emulating. Can anyone help me make sense of how Linux Mint and Sabayon do things? I've looked at the code for Linux Mint (https://github.com/linuxmint) and Sabayon (https://code.launchpad.net/sabayon), but I can't figure out how you get from Ubuntu to Mint or Gentoo to Sabayon. I can see that there is code for adding certain features or changing certain things, but I haven't figured out the sequence of events leading from the parent distro's ISO file to the final ISO file. That said, I can't ignore the way Mint and Sabayon do things, because these distros are well-established, are derived from another distro, and have a very large following. -- Jason Hsu Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org) From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 06:28:42 2011 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 06:28:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] WANTED: suggestions on improving my Linux distro In-Reply-To: <20110609000343.11a5446d.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> References: <20110609000343.11a5446d.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: Jason, I haven't used Mint but I love their icon package (tried their menu, but it doesn't fit well for me). For all the Mint goodies, have a look at http://packages.linuxmint.com/pool/main/m/. There, they have folders and subsequent gzipped sources for things like there MintMenu, Icons and artwork, along with a bunch of other stuff. Hope that helps, -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Jason Hsu wrote: > What I'm most after right now is your suggestions for ways I can improve the arrangement of my Swift Linux code, which is at https://github.com/swiftlinux . I'd like to hear from those of you who have worked on Linux distros, especially Linux Mint, Sabayon, Puppy Linux, and antiX Linux. I'm certain that there are better ways of doing things. > > I'd especially like to see examples of code that I should be emulating. > > Can anyone help me make sense of how Linux Mint and Sabayon do things? I've looked at the code for Linux Mint (https://github.com/linuxmint) and Sabayon (https://code.launchpad.net/sabayon), but I can't figure out how you get from Ubuntu to Mint or Gentoo to Sabayon. I can see that there is code for adding certain features or changing certain things, but I haven't figured out the sequence of events leading from the parent distro's ISO file to the final ISO file. That said, I can't ignore the way Mint and Sabayon do things, because these distros are well-established, are derived from another distro, and have a very large following. > > -- > Jason Hsu > Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org) > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From sleepykitten1981 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 9 09:45:58 2011 From: sleepykitten1981 at yahoo.com (Sleepy Kitten) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 07:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Intro and question Message-ID: <696202.23385.qm@web122203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hey there! I'm new to the Twin Cities! Looking to meet new folks... and to find some help. I want to learn Linux. A friend installed Fedora on my old laptop and it was running fine, except that I know it's got all kinds of potential for awesome stuff, plus I had no idea how to do any of my own tech support. Then some bizarre thing happened when I went to upgrade to Fedora 15, and it's now dead. Anyone up for mentoring a newbie? Thanks! Samantha -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Then some bizarre thing happened when I went to upgrade to Fedora > 15, and it's now dead. Anyone up for mentoring a newbie? > > Thanks! > Samantha > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- i pledge allegiance to the earth and all that lives upon her and the delicate balance in which it stands one planet unending spirit harmonious with deep respect for all this is your life: http://storyofstuff.com coins, chase: http://blip.tv/file/520347 energy&equity: http://clevercycles.com/energy_and_equity "The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world's problems." ?*Gandhi* "The best way to find yourself is to lose yourself in the service of others." ?*Gandhi *"Increase of material comforts, it may be generally laid down, does not in any way whatsoever conduce to moral growth." ?*Gandhi* "Our life is a long and arduous quest after Truth and the soul requires inward restfulness to attain its full height." ?*Gandhi* "I am prepared to die, but there is no cause for which I am prepared to kill." ?*Gandhi* "Hatred can be overcome only by love." ?*Gandhi* "No culture can live, if it attempts to be exclusive." ?*Gandhi* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A friend installed Fedora on my old >> laptop and it was running fine, except that I know it's got all kinds of >> potential for awesome stuff, plus I had no idea how to do any of my own tech >> support. Then some bizarre thing happened when I went to upgrade to Fedora >> 15, and it's now dead. Anyone up for mentoring a newbie? >> >> Thanks! >> Samantha >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > -- > i pledge allegiance to the earth > and all that lives upon her > and the delicate balance in which it stands > one planet > unending spirit > harmonious > with deep respect for all > > this is your life: http://storyofstuff.com > coins, chase: http://blip.tv/file/520347 > energy&equity: http://clevercycles.com/energy_and_equity > > "The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would > suffice to solve most of the world's problems." ?*Gandhi* > "The best way to find yourself is to lose yourself in the service of > others." ?*Gandhi > *"Increase of material comforts, it may be generally laid down, does not > in any way whatsoever conduce to moral growth." ?*Gandhi* > "Our life is a long and arduous quest after Truth and the soul requires > inward restfulness to attain its full height." ?*Gandhi* > "I am prepared to die, but there is no cause for which I am prepared to > kill." ?*Gandhi* > "Hatred can be overcome only by love." ?*Gandhi* > "No culture can live, if it attempts to be exclusive." ?*Gandhi* > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sraun at fireopal.org Tue Jun 14 12:56:22 2011 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:56:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Any rsync experts? Message-ID: <20110614175622.GA25868@fireopal.org> I have a portable hard-drive which has a data tree on it, and an internal hard-drive with (theoretically) the same tree. They _were_ identical at some point in the past. I've lost track of what changes I've made on which. So, I'm thinking of running this pair of rsync's: rsync -tru e:\data_tree d:\data_tree rsync -tru d:\data_tree e:\data_tree The theory being that if the internal drive has a more recent date-stamp for a file, I don't want the external data over-writing it. And then the second copies that more recent data back out to the external drive. Am I missing anything here? -- Scott Raun sraun at fireopal.org From ryanjcole at me.com Tue Jun 14 13:16:08 2011 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:16:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Any rsync experts? In-Reply-To: <20110614175622.GA25868@fireopal.org> References: <20110614175622.GA25868@fireopal.org> Message-ID: Just checking to make sure, you want to use rsync in a Win32 environment and not a *nix one, yes? On Jun 14, 2011, at 12:56 PM, Scott Raun wrote: > I have a portable hard-drive which has a data tree on it, and an > internal hard-drive with (theoretically) the same tree. They _were_ > identical at some point in the past. I've lost track of what changes > I've made on which. > > So, I'm thinking of running this pair of rsync's: > > rsync -tru e:\data_tree d:\data_tree > rsync -tru d:\data_tree e:\data_tree > > The theory being that if the internal drive has a more recent > date-stamp for a file, I don't want the external data over-writing it. > And then the second copies that more recent data back out to the > external drive. > > Am I missing anything here? > > -- > Scott Raun > sraun at fireopal.org > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sraun at fireopal.org Tue Jun 14 14:06:31 2011 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:06:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Any rsync experts? In-Reply-To: References: <20110614175622.GA25868@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <20110614190631.GA1222@fireopal.org> I'm actually planning on using the cygwin rsync, yes, it's in a Windows environment. The exact paths are subject to change once I figure out how cygwin refers to them. On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 01:16:08PM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Just checking to make sure, you want to use rsync in a Win32 > environment and not a *nix one, yes? > > On Jun 14, 2011, at 12:56 PM, Scott Raun wrote: > > > I have a portable hard-drive which has a data tree on it, and an > > internal hard-drive with (theoretically) the same tree. They _were_ > > identical at some point in the past. I've lost track of what changes > > I've made on which. > > > > So, I'm thinking of running this pair of rsync's: > > > > rsync -tru e:\data_tree d:\data_tree > > rsync -tru d:\data_tree e:\data_tree > > > > The theory being that if the internal drive has a more recent > > date-stamp for a file, I don't want the external data over-writing it. > > And then the second copies that more recent data back out to the > > external drive. > > > > Am I missing anything here? > > > > -- > > Scott Raun > > sraun at fireopal.org > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Scott Raun sraun at fireopal.org From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Tue Jun 14 14:48:59 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:48:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Any rsync experts? In-Reply-To: <20110614190631.GA1222@fireopal.org> References: <20110614175622.GA25868@fireopal.org> <20110614190631.GA1222@fireopal.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Jun 2011, Scott Raun wrote: > I'm actually planning on using the cygwin rsync, yes, it's in a Windows > environment. The exact paths are subject to change once I figure out > how cygwin refers to them. >>> >>> rsync -tru e:\data_tree d:\data_tree >>> rsync -tru d:\data_tree e:\data_tree Regarding Cygwin, but not rsync... On my Cygwin system, running on Windows XP, it can use the e:/ kind of reference or /cygdrive/e/. So I think what you have above would work except that you need to use forward slash instead of backslash (and use forward slashes in the paths as well): rsync -tru e:/data_tree d:/data_tree rsync -tru d:/data_tree e:/data_tree but this is probably the preferred method for Cygwin: rsync -tru /cygdrive/e/data_tree /cygdrive/d/data_tree rsync -tru /cygdrive/d/data_tree /cygdrive/e/data_tree Mike From josh at tcbug.org Wed Jun 15 16:14:39 2011 From: josh at tcbug.org (Josh Paetzel) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:14:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Any rsync experts? In-Reply-To: References: <20110614175622.GA25868@fireopal.org> <20110614190631.GA1222@fireopal.org> Message-ID: <4DF920BF.8080209@tcbug.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 06/14/2011 14:48, Mike Miller wrote: > On Tue, 14 Jun 2011, Scott Raun wrote: > >> I'm actually planning on using the cygwin rsync, yes, it's in a >> Windows environment. The exact paths are subject to change once I >> figure out how cygwin refers to them. >>>> >>>> rsync -tru e:\data_tree d:\data_tree >>>> rsync -tru d:\data_tree e:\data_tree > > > Regarding Cygwin, but not rsync... > > > On my Cygwin system, running on Windows XP, it can use the e:/ kind of > reference or /cygdrive/e/. > > So I think what you have above would work except that you need to use > forward slash instead of backslash (and use forward slashes in the paths > as well): > > rsync -tru e:/data_tree d:/data_tree > rsync -tru d:/data_tree e:/data_tree > > but this is probably the preferred method for Cygwin: > > rsync -tru /cygdrive/e/data_tree /cygdrive/d/data_tree > rsync -tru /cygdrive/d/data_tree /cygdrive/e/data_tree > > Mike You might want to see if unison is available. It handles this situation a tad better than rsync does. - -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJN+SC+AAoJEKFq1/n1feG2iGYH/i+MVSaZxx5t207G6oww8LP8 Yoyb2cS+HU7wPLl/EdcyX/esjsboDUYdFKW/WxOs2FpEG2S1odR3inUS/itK31uT bdhzja3ALF2tjNpi/rdtQBHOjAvoikjFbbSG9B02MWN1p+J6S97gXPH6lFJT7dGb XRM9Cil/Pcq+PbGp+RJFWiRdw3w7G3JVZqXKfIv5ui2FXVKgWDkeaCDHZdX8fQP5 IlTVivwr1ZgueB+OqqQ6FBVN5yFsvS40mtsW+3esyap5zdYUpKzS26LCTvTdCfg1 8Qx7KOOUYkvS7jzlLBOXaOL7TKJKnUGiaFeCrg7pLOpPsuhGaSeXwhKYAcI4ftg= =PEYA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sraun at fireopal.org Wed Jun 15 16:34:14 2011 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:34:14 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Any rsync experts? In-Reply-To: <4DF920BF.8080209@tcbug.org> References: <20110614175622.GA25868@fireopal.org> <20110614190631.GA1222@fireopal.org> <4DF920BF.8080209@tcbug.org> Message-ID: <20110615213414.GB26351@fireopal.org> On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 04:14:39PM -0500, Josh Paetzel wrote: > You might want to see if unison is available. It handles this situation > a tad better than rsync does. cygwin lists several versions of unison. Someone who looked at it recently declared it was abandonware. Hmm, on investigation, I can't tell... Oh, yes I can - from http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison//status.html > Unison is no longer under active development as a research > project. (Our research efforts in this area are now focused on a > follow-on project called Harmony.more details are available on the > Harmony home page - http://www.cis.upenn.edu/%7Ebcpierce/harmony.) And Harmony has been superseded by Boomerang. I'll take a look at unison. -- Scott Raun sraun at fireopal.org From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Wed Jun 15 19:20:16 2011 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:20:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] mount -o ? Message-ID: <201106160020.p5G0KGw9029521@okra.fo4.net> ntfsresize shrunk my ntfs a bit, but refused to shrink it nearly as much as i wanted. so i created a huge ntfs file, and thinking i might even want to add more later, built a VG in the file, and then an ext3 LV. no worries about overhead, it's just longterm storage. this all works great except at each boot i have to "losetup -f ". mountall then mounts it (unless it's due an fsck, whereupon surprisingly (natty) mountall does neither). as i'm using the nobootwait option, it wouldn't be right to put that losetup in rc.local. and i dont wanna write a script that waits and checks, and i dont wanna modify mountall. i'd be happy to learn there's a feature to handle this somehow, is there? From andyzib at gmail.com Thu Jun 16 17:24:13 2011 From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:24:13 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] mount -o ? In-Reply-To: <201106160020.p5G0KGw9029521@okra.fo4.net> References: <201106160020.p5G0KGw9029521@okra.fo4.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 7:20 PM, gregrwm wrote: > ntfsresize shrunk my ntfs a bit, but refused to shrink it nearly as much as i wanted. Did you do a defrag on your NTFS filesystem before resizing? Sometimes helps to disable the pagefile in windows, reboot, and make sure windows deleted the pagefile. -- Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Thu Jun 16 19:41:55 2011 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:41:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] mount -o ? Message-ID: <201106170041.p5H0ft0C006074@okra.fo4.net> > > ntfsresize shrunk my ntfs a bit, but refused to shrink it nearly as much as i wanted. > Did you do a defrag on your NTFS filesystem before resizing? Sometimes helps to disable the pagefile in windows, reboot, and make sure windows deleted the pagefile. good ideas for next time, thanks. at this point the path of least resistance is just keep my funky embedded LV and it's content, with or without an automated losetup solution. From pablo at freefill.com Thu Jun 16 23:56:14 2011 From: pablo at freefill.com (Paul Fierro) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:56:14 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Shell quoting help Message-ID: Hi, Trying to run this but it isn't working - I'm suspecting it's the quotes: $ ssh machine1 "ssh machine2 "mysql -e "show databases""" I tried various combinations of single and double quotes as well as backslashes. Can anyone help? Thanks, Paul From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri Jun 17 00:14:58 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 00:14:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Shell quoting help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Trying to run this but it isn't working - I'm suspecting it's the quotes: > $ ssh machine1 "ssh machine2 "mysql -e "show databases""" That works for me with no quotes whatsoever. I.e., ssh machine1 ssh machine2 mysql -e show database -Yaron -- From brockn at gmail.com Fri Jun 17 00:15:13 2011 From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 05:15:13 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Shell quoting help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:56 AM, Paul Fierro wrote: > Hi, > > Trying to run this but it isn't working - I'm suspecting it's the quotes: > > $ ssh machine1 "ssh machine2 "mysql -e "show databases""" > > I tried various combinations of single and double quotes as well as > backslashes. Can anyone help? Have you tried double, single, escaped double? $ ssh localhost "ssh localhost 'echo \"1 2\"'" 1 2 Brock From pablo at freefill.com Fri Jun 17 00:31:09 2011 From: pablo at freefill.com (Paul Fierro) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 00:31:09 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Shell quoting help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6/17/11 12:15 AM, Brock Noland wrote: > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:56 AM, Paul Fierro wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Trying to run this but it isn't working - I'm suspecting it's the quotes: >> >> $ ssh machine1 "ssh machine2 "mysql -e "show databases""" >> >> I tried various combinations of single and double quotes as well as >> backslashes. Can anyone help? > > Have you tried double, single, escaped double? > > $ ssh localhost "ssh localhost 'echo \"1 2\"'" > 1 2 That works - thanks! Yaron - tried removing all quotes and it didn't work. Good idea, though. Paul From sraun at fireopal.org Fri Jun 17 06:17:36 2011 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 06:17:36 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Shell quoting help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110617111736.GA18838@fireopal.org> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:56:14PM -0500, Paul Fierro wrote: > Hi, > > Trying to run this but it isn't working - I'm suspecting it's the quotes: > > $ ssh machine1 "ssh machine2 "mysql -e "show databases""" > > I tried various combinations of single and double quotes as well as > backslashes. Can anyone help? I saw that you got it working, but as an alternative, does this work? $ ssh machine1 "ssh machine2 "mysql -e show\ databases"" -- Scott Raun sraun at fireopal.org From pablo at freefill.com Fri Jun 17 14:28:37 2011 From: pablo at freefill.com (Paul Fierro) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:28:37 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Shell quoting help In-Reply-To: <20110617111736.GA18838@fireopal.org> Message-ID: On 6/17/11 6:17 AM, Scott Raun wrote: > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:56:14PM -0500, Paul Fierro wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Trying to run this but it isn't working - I'm suspecting it's the quotes: >> >> $ ssh machine1 "ssh machine2 "mysql -e "show databases""" >> >> I tried various combinations of single and double quotes as well as >> backslashes. Can anyone help? > > I saw that you got it working, but as an alternative, does this work? > > $ ssh machine1 "ssh machine2 "mysql -e show\ databases"" Didn't work for me, but thanks for offering another alternative. Paul From nesius at gmail.com Fri Jun 17 16:35:02 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:35:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Shell quoting help In-Reply-To: References: <20110617111736.GA18838@fireopal.org> Message-ID: People should disclaim which shell (type, version) is working with the different solutions offered. I'm curious to see how much variety there is... The version of /bin/sh or the remote user's SHELL as defined in /etc/password on the far end may be relevant. -Rob On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Paul Fierro wrote: > On 6/17/11 6:17 AM, Scott Raun wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:56:14PM -0500, Paul Fierro wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Trying to run this but it isn't working - I'm suspecting it's the > quotes: > >> > >> $ ssh machine1 "ssh machine2 "mysql -e "show databases""" > >> > >> I tried various combinations of single and double quotes as well as > >> backslashes. Can anyone help? > > > > I saw that you got it working, but as an alternative, does this work? > > > > $ ssh machine1 "ssh machine2 "mysql -e show\ databases"" > > Didn't work for me, but thanks for offering another alternative. > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sat Jun 18 03:34:14 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 03:34:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Shell quoting help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Jun 2011, Paul Fierro wrote: > Trying to run this but it isn't working - I'm suspecting it's the > quotes: > > $ ssh machine1 "ssh machine2 "mysql -e "show databases""" > > I tried various combinations of single and double quotes as well as > backslashes. Can anyone help? I have a machine behind a firewall (I'll call it box2) that I can only access by first logging into another machine (which I'll call box1). Let's say that on box1, I am user1 and on box2, I am user2. I just tested this one-liner and it worked: ssh -f -L 25922:box2:22 user1 at box1 sleep 1 ; ssh -p 25922 user2 at localhost It could be written as a two-line script. It first prompts for the box1 password, then for the box2 password. When it's done it looks like I'm logged in from the machine I'm touching, but box2 says I'm logged in from box1. The "sleep 1" is used instead of "-N" so that the ssh port forward is killed soon after I terminate the ssh session with box2 (a.k.a., localhost port 25922). That way, when I run it again, it won't give me an error because the port is already in use. So I think the show database thing could be done like this (assuming the username is the same on every box): ssh -f -L 25922:machine2:22 machine1 sleep 1 ; ssh -p 25922 localhost 'mysql -e "show databases"' Or on two lines in a script: ssh -f -L 25922:machine2:22 machine1 sleep 1 ssh -p 25922 localhost 'mysql -e "show databases"' It might be a little easier to read the script if you use the port forwarding scheme. Mike From gchewie at gmail.com Sat Jun 18 13:13:26 2011 From: gchewie at gmail.com (Chad Walstrom) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 13:13:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 78, Issue 13 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > >> Trying to run this but it isn't working - I'm suspecting it's the > quotes: > >> > >> $ ssh machine1 "ssh machine2 "mysql -e "show databases""" > You've got an interesting approach, but why not enable MySQL's tcp stack on a routable address and and allow a query from a specific user at machine1? That way, your command only needs to go through one host. $ ssh myuser at machine1 mysql -h machine2 -e "show databases" Take a look at your GRANT permission statements in the MySQL manual and figure out what you need to do to allow this command. Check your bind_address in /etc/mysql/my.cnf to make sure it's a routable address (rather than 127.0.0.1). Also consider setting iptables firewall rules on machine2 to protect port 3306 (DROP by default, ALLOW a specific list of IP's). You can store your MySQL "myuser" password in ~/.my.cnf so that you don't need to specify it on the command-line (in case machine1 is multi-user/public shell box). Once you've done this, however, you could play with SSH tunneling to do port forwarding from machine1 to machine2, and on your own workstation, you can run the commands. Using SSH to forward SSH connections is a bit convoluted. If you're running into password problems, make your ssh keys and allow authentication forwarding. So many ways to skin this cat! Good luck! Chad -- Chad Walstrom http://google.com/profiles/gchewie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hope to see you there. ==>brian. *** STREAMING *** If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting. mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 You should be able to connect with either: mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 or vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Tue Jun 21 15:06:24 2011 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:06:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] syslog question Message-ID: I have a user who is running this program http://webEbenezer.net/misc/cmwAmbassador.cc on an Ubuntu system. They aren't getting log messages in /var/log/messages. I don't have access to their machine and don't have an Ubuntu machine here. Am wondering what syslog related differences there are between Ubuntu and Fedora. On my Fedora machines things are working fine. Suggestions? I've had them run the program with sudo but that make any difference. 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Can you ask them for the binary, run 'strings' on it and see if the static strings are actually present? Cheers, florin -- Don't question authority! They don't know either. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nesius at gmail.com Wed Jun 22 00:24:55 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 00:24:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] syslog question In-Reply-To: <20110621204113.GK4978@styx.iucha.org> References: <20110621204113.GK4978@styx.iucha.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 03:06:24PM -0500, Brian Wood wrote: > > I have a user who is running this program > > http://webEbenezer.net/misc/cmwAmbassador.cc > > on an Ubuntu system. They aren't getting log messages in > > /var/log/messages. I don't have access to their machine and > > don't have an Ubuntu machine here. Am wondering what syslog > > related differences there are between Ubuntu and Fedora. On my > > Fedora machines things are working fine. Suggestions? I've had > > them run the program with sudo but that make any difference. TIA > > Have they defined 'SYSLOG_AVAILABLE' on the compiler command line? > Can you ask them for the binary, run 'strings' on it and see if the > static strings are actually present? > > Cheers, > florin > > My one thought is to check syslogd.conf (usually in /etc) and make sure syslogd is configured to log the messages your program is sending. If not configured properly, syslogd will drop them. -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Wed Jun 22 12:47:21 2011 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:47:21 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] syslog question Message-ID: Florin Iucha: >On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 03:06:24PM -0500, Brian Wood wrote: >> I have a user who is running this program >> http://webEbenezer.net/misc/cmwAmbassador.cc >> on an Ubuntu system. They aren't getting log messages in >> /var/log/messages. I don't have access to their machine and >> don't have an Ubuntu machine here. Am wondering what syslog >> related differences there are between Ubuntu and Fedora. On my >> Fedora machines things are working fine. Suggestions? I've had >> them run the program with sudo but that make any difference. TIA > > Have they defined 'SYSLOG_AVAILABLE' on the compiler command line? > Can you ask them for the binary, run 'strings' on it and see if the > static strings are actually present? I asked them to run that now and the strings are in there. That symbol gets turned on in the Linux makefile so was fairly certain the strings would be present and that they hadn't messed with that. Brian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Wed Jun 22 12:56:45 2011 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:56:45 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] syslog question Message-ID: Robert Nesius: > My one thought is to check syslogd.conf (usually in /etc) and make sure > syslogd is configured to log the messages your program is sending. If not > configured properly, syslogd will drop them. I don't have an /etc/syslogd.conf or /etc/syslog.conf. I read somewhere that they changed the name of /etc/syslog.conf to /etc/rsyslog.conf and I do have that file. I sent a copy of that file to the user and asked him to compare it to his copy -- although I'm not sure if he has that file on his machine. He checked yesterday though on his machine and he didn't have /etc/syslog.conf file either. My guess is this is on the right track, but have no idea how the default configurations differ between the distributions. Brian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nesius at gmail.com Wed Jun 22 13:21:58 2011 From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:21:58 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] syslog question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Brian Wood wrote: > > Robert Nesius: > > My one thought is to check syslogd.conf (usually in /etc) and make sure > > syslogd is configured to log the messages your program is sending. If > not > > configured properly, syslogd will drop them. > > I don't have an /etc/syslogd.conf or /etc/syslog.conf. I read somewhere > that they changed the name of /etc/syslog.conf to /etc/rsyslog.conf and > I do have that file. I sent a copy of that file to the user and asked > him to compare it to his copy -- although I'm not sure if he has that > file on his machine. He checked yesterday though on his machine > and he didn't have /etc/syslog.conf file either. My guess is this is > on the right track, but have no idea how the default configurations > differ between the distributions. > > Oh - looks like old-school syslog has been replaced by something modular. I see this at the bottom of my /etc/rsyslog.conf file: # # Include all config files in /etc/rsyslog.d/ # $IncludeConfig /etc/rsyslog.d/*.conf Here is an excerpt of what /etc/rsyslog.d/50-default.conf has. # # First some standard log files. Log by facility. # auth,authpriv.* /var/log/auth.log *.*;auth,authpriv.none -/var/log/syslog #cron.* /var/log/cron.log daemon.* -/var/log/daemon.log kern.* -/var/log/kern.log lpr.* -/var/log/lpr.log mail.* -/var/log/mail.log user.* -/var/log/user.log # # Logging for the mail system. Split it up so that # it is easy to write scripts to parse these files. # mail.info -/var/log/mail.info mail.warn -/var/log/mail.warn mail.err /var/log/mail.err Bottom line, if the tool is logging to syslog, you need to configure both sides such that: a: The sender is sending messages to the correct machine b: The receiver is configured to log the messages. I think anything that doesn't match a rule gets dropped silently. Also, I think syslog often (always?) logs via UDP packets, not TCP. -Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Wed Jun 22 14:19:17 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:19:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] syslog question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011, Robert Nesius wrote: > Oh - looks like old-school syslog has been replaced by something > modular. I don't know anything about this, but I see that my Ubuntu system has two files that look quite similar: /etc/syslog.conf /etc/rsyslog.d/50-default.conf I didn't change those files by hand and they seem to be as old as my Ubuntu version. The only difference I could see was that the word "warning" in /etc/syslog.conf was always shortened to "warn" in /etc/rsyslog.d/50-default.conf. So I did this test: perl -pe 's/warning/warn/g' /etc/syslog.conf | diff - /etc/rsyslog.d/50-default.conf | less After changing "warning" to "warn" the only remaining differences were in the comments. I just found this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1367483 Mike From troy.a.johnson at state.mn.us Wed Jun 22 14:46:03 2011 From: troy.a.johnson at state.mn.us (Johnson, Troy.A (MDH)) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:46:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Syslog Question -- was RE: tclug-list Digest, Vol 78, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3A79CDD441C0204EA1D73D3FC5C065D5072CDD1487@MNMAIL04.ead.state.mn.us> -----Original Message----- Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 15:06:24 -0500 From: Brian Wood To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: [tclug-list] syslog question I have a user who is running this program http://webEbenezer.net/misc/cmwAmbassador.cc on an Ubuntu system. They aren't getting log messages in /var/log/messages. I don't have access to their machine and don't have an Ubuntu machine here. Am wondering what syslog related differences there are between Ubuntu and Fedora. On my Fedora machines things are working fine. Suggestions? I've had them run the program with sudo but that make any difference. TIA -- Brian, I would find out exactly what syslog they have installed: aptitude search sys | grep log (look for an initial 'i' on the line) and what is running: ps -ef | grep syslog I found this page: http://www.linuxselfhelp.com/gnu/glibc/html_chapter/libc_18.html It helps explain what the syslog related code is doing. Whether it is sysklogd or rsyslog, a line that looks like this in the configuration file: user.info /var/log/cmwAmbassador.log (with tab characters separating the two pieces of text) will probably start logging what you want. Good luck, Troy From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Wed Jun 22 17:17:18 2011 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:17:18 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Syslog question Message-ID: Troy Johnson: > Brian, > > I would find out exactly what syslog they have installed: > > aptitude search sys | grep log > > (look for an initial 'i' on the line) and what is running: > > ps -ef | grep syslog > > I found this page: > > http://www.linuxselfhelp.com/gnu/glibc/html_chapter/libc_18.html > > It helps explain what the syslog related code is doing. > > Whether it is sysklogd or rsyslog, a line that looks like this in the configuration file: > > user.info /var/log/cmwAmbassador.log > > (with tab characters separating the two pieces of text) will probably start logging what you want. > > Good luck, > > Troy Thanks for the replies. The problem is fixed now. He made a copy of his rsyslog.conf file and then replaced his original version with the version from my system, restarted the service and now he's getting the log messages. His original version was 56 lines and the version on my system is 78 lines. I'm not sure if I want to have a cmwAmbassador.log. For now am happy with the messages going to the general file. Brian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu Jun 23 11:10:27 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 11:10:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] PACKT Publishing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I hadn't heard of them before, but they publish a bunch of books for use with "Open Source" software programs: http://www.packtpub.com/books/all/open-source I learned about it from the posting below about their new Octave book. Mike ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:10:36 From: Jordi Guti?rrez Hermoso To: Octave Maintainers List , Octave-help Subject: New Octave for Beginners book Allow me to advertise this book: http://www.packtpub.com/news/become-confident-octave-user-packt%E2%80%99s-latest-book It's a book intended for absolute Octave beginners. I had the distinct pleasure of being a technical reviewer for the book, and heartily recommend it to students and practitioners alike who want a gentle introduction to Octave. The book begins with the very basics, from installing Octave and elementary flow control operations to more sophisticated applications like numerical solutions of elliptic PDEs, statistical description of data, and Fourier analysis of signals. It also covers more advanced programming topics such as how to create standalone C++ applications with mkoctfile or how to prepare Octave-Forge packages. I myself learned a thing or two about Octave as I was reviewing this book. If you or someone you know would like a printed guide on Octave beyond what Octave's own documentation can offer, consider this book. - Jordi G. H. _______________________________________________ Help-octave mailing list Help-octave at octave.org https://mailman.cae.wisc.edu/listinfo/help-octave From tclug at freakzilla.com Thu Jun 23 15:12:38 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:12:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] CD Ripping Message-ID: Ugh, sent from wrong account. OK, so apprently the CD Ripper I've been using forever is no longer supported... and hasn't been for a while and it's becoming more and more of a hassle to build it myself. So I figured I'd ask you guys what you all use... assuming anything still even buys CDs. Anyone? -Yaron -- From mark.katerberg at gmail.com Thu Jun 23 15:19:45 2011 From: mark.katerberg at gmail.com (mark.katerberg at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:19:45 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] CD Ripping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Yaron wrote: >Ugh, sent from wrong account. > >OK, so apprently the CD Ripper I've been using forever is no longer >supported... and hasn't been for a while and it's becoming more and >more of a >hassle to build it myself. > >So I figured I'd ask you guys what you all use... assuming anything >still even >buys CDs. Anyone? > > >-Yaron > >-- >_______________________________________________ >TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >tclug-list at mn-linux.org >http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list I use banshee. Inb4 mono hate -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: APG v1.0.8 iQFHBAEBCAAxBQJOA5/hKhxNYXJrIEthdGVyYmVyZyA8bWFyay5rYXRlcmJlcmdA Z21haWwuY29tPgAKCRARdikJk4Hr1xPDB/kBu6u7iTNBSXR/KU7aC5LFbuL9dxd8 GD5JFuHF+Y1yla/WgWXHQZmfJMNtnx34LbfNh46j4alD5F6uhoxyoGunV7OaAfTS IX4exlwQ2qALaIJTI9igNd7bUzJQU++2CAhhCjk4T1ZVas6snzQQXzdAF4cHG3yK c/GuAMJ7sHNh3EZiJ/wyg60Kov8QD8+rx/b3KXYRdboIvl9xWg7o3+y8E/SnA7MD L/3ZKeAVc3VQisXPTcJucwHEV6KhvAvJqq2FumUlEaeeuZo/4zLQUKmEOcFUOAki GOtWMtFC/z8WCWGXw2WRWa0vtKB4QSs7Vm9MUdWH1uvulZtgZCV7clec =1Q3b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Thu Jun 23 15:24:30 2011 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:24:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] CD Ripping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was converting some of our old CDs a few months ago. Sound Juicer (GTK2/3 Gnome based) does the job if you are looking at GUI based front ends. Limited customization of the output files but it does support multiple formats and quality settings. I used to use ripperx, that still seems to be supported too (GTK based). -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Yaron wrote: > Ugh, sent from wrong account. > > OK, so apprently the CD Ripper I've been using forever is no longer > supported... and hasn't been for a while and it's becoming more and more of > a hassle to build it myself. > > So I figured I'd ask you guys what you all use... assuming anything still > even buys CDs. Anyone? > > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mjb at umn.edu Thu Jun 23 15:24:48 2011 From: mjb at umn.edu (Michael Berkowski) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:24:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] CD Ripping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E03A110.6020209@umn.edu> The shell script `abcde` ("a better CD encoder") for super flexibility. Only thing I think it can't do is download album art, but maybe it can. +++++++++++++++++ Michael Berkowski Linux Systems Administrator and Programmer University of Minnesota PGP Public key: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~berk0081/pgp/pubkey.asc +++++++++++++++++ On 6/23/2011 3:12 PM, Yaron wrote: > Ugh, sent from wrong account. > > OK, so apprently the CD Ripper I've been using forever is no longer > supported... and hasn't been for a while and it's becoming more and more > of a hassle to build it myself. > > So I figured I'd ask you guys what you all use... assuming anything > still even buys CDs. Anyone? > > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Put a CD in, it sees it, CDDb (or freedb or whatevers it), rips it to FLAC in a prearranged dir structure. -Yaron -- From crumley at fields.space.umn.edu Thu Jun 23 15:40:28 2011 From: crumley at fields.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:40:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] CD Ripping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43141.152.65.129.201.1308861628.squirrel@ham.space.umn.edu> On Thu, June 23, 2011 3:26 pm, Yaron wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jun 2011, mark.katerberg at gmail.com wrote: > > >> I use banshee. Inb4 mono hate > > Bandhee doesn't even see that I have a CD in the drive. Banshee in general > doesn't really behave on my system. Might have something to do with not > running Gnome or KDE. > > I used to use grip before. Put a CD in, it sees it, CDDb (or freedb or > whatevers it), rips it to FLAC in a prearranged dir structure. What distro doesn't support grip anymore? I have used it forever and I hope to continue to. Development is pretty dead, I suppose, but it does what it needs to. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons | From crumley at fields.space.umn.edu Thu Jun 23 16:58:08 2011 From: crumley at fields.space.umn.edu (Jim Crumley) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:58:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] CD Ripping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33042.24.236.47.117.1308866288.squirrel@ham.space.umn.edu> On Thu, June 23, 2011 3:26 pm, Yaron wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jun 2011, mark.katerberg at gmail.com wrote: > > >> I use banshee. Inb4 mono hate > > Bandhee doesn't even see that I have a CD in the drive. Banshee in general > doesn't really behave on my system. Might have something to do with not > running Gnome or KDE. My guess is Banshee isn't see the CD due to issues with udev and whatever services banshee usually uses to interface with udev. What window manager are you using these days? > I used to use grip before. Put a CD in, it sees it, CDDb (or freedb or > whatevers it), rips it to FLAC in a prearranged dir structure. I broke down and switched over to gnome a year or two ago. The only problems I have had with grip in the past few years relate to that and are also related to udev et al. Sometimes the auto mounting stuff under gnome won't wouldn't let grip eject CDs. Since I had grip setup to auto rip, it would continually rip the same CD till I manually ejected it. Anyway, if grip isn't supported on your distro, have you tried just using an old package? You could have the package manager ignore the version parts of the dependencies. I bet all of the relevant libraries are still available. -- Jim Crumley |Twin Cities Linux Users Group Mailing List (TCLUG) Ruthless Debian Zealot |http://www.mn-linux.org/ Never laugh at live dragons From florin at iucha.net Thu Jun 23 17:45:19 2011 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:45:19 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] CD Ripping In-Reply-To: <4E03A110.6020209@umn.edu> References: <4E03A110.6020209@umn.edu> Message-ID: <20110623224519.GC6358@styx.iucha.org> On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 03:24:48PM -0500, Michael Berkowski wrote: > The shell script `abcde` ("a better CD encoder") for super flexibility. +1 > Only thing I think it can't do is download album art, but maybe it can. I never really needed that. florin -- Don't question authority! They don't know either. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Thu Jun 23 18:57:43 2011 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:57:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] CD Ripping In-Reply-To: <33042.24.236.47.117.1308866288.squirrel@ham.space.umn.edu> References: <33042.24.236.47.117.1308866288.squirrel@ham.space.umn.edu> Message-ID: > My guess is Banshee isn't see the CD due to issues with udev and whatever > services banshee usually uses to interface with udev. Banshee does all kinds of weird things, like it won't let me use my keyboard's media buttons. > What window manager are you using these days? As always Window Maker. I used to need to run (and then kill) gnome-keybinding-proerties to get my keyboard's special buttons to work, but that seems to not be the case with this version of Mint. Yeah I'm using Mint on my desktop as of three days ago. It was Ubuntu before that. I think even the previous version of Ubuntu didn't have a grip package (based on the fact that I had it in /usr/local/src). I broke down and built grip - works just fine. > I broke down and switched over to gnome a year or two ago. I gave gnome a try a bit ago. I do every now and again. The thing is, it gets REALLY CONFUSED by the fact that I have three monitors. I'd give it an effort for the eye-candy, but compiz/whatever it's called today can't handle three screens at all! > Anyway, if grip isn't supported on your distro, have you tried just using > an old package? I think it hasn't been supported in forever, but a 15 minute ./configure, apt-get install whatever it wants, ./configure, apt-get install whatever it wants, rinse, repeat, make and it's all good. -Yaron -- From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Fri Jun 24 01:31:22 2011 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 01:31:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] *Saturday* Q & A @Penguins Unbound Meeting June 25th Message-ID: <4E042F3A.4090806@Goecke-Dolan.com> This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be Saturday June 25th at TIES, 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 from 10:00am to 12:00pm (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more info.) We will be having an open Question and Answer session at the Penguins Unbound Meeting this month. Bring your questions, and I will bring some answers. Thanks. Hope to see you there. ==>brian. *** STREAMING *** If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting. mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 You should be able to connect with either: mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 or vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 From jack at jacku.com Tue Jun 28 19:49:30 2011 From: jack at jacku.com (Jack Ungerleider) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 19:49:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] PACKT Publishing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've been a fan of Packt books for several years. I also like the Apress books. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Mike Miller wrote: > I hadn't heard of them before, but they publish a bunch of books for use > with "Open Source" software programs: > > http://www.packtpub.com/books/**all/open-source > > I learned about it from the posting below about their new Octave book. > > Mike > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:10:36 > From: Jordi Guti?rrez Hermoso > To: Octave Maintainers List , > Octave-help > Subject: New Octave for Beginners book > > Allow me to advertise this book: > > http://www.packtpub.com/news/**become-confident-octave-user-** > packt%E2%80%99s-latest-book > > It's a book intended for absolute Octave beginners. I had the distinct > pleasure of being a technical reviewer for the book, and heartily > recommend it to students and practitioners alike who want a gentle > introduction to Octave. The book begins with the very basics, from > installing Octave and elementary flow control operations to more > sophisticated applications like numerical solutions of elliptic PDEs, > statistical description of data, and Fourier analysis of signals. It > also covers more advanced programming topics such as how to create > standalone C++ applications with mkoctfile or how to prepare > Octave-Forge packages. I myself learned a thing or two about Octave as > I was reviewing this book. > > If you or someone you know would like a printed guide on Octave beyond > what Octave's own documentation can offer, consider this book. > > - Jordi G. H. > ______________________________**_________________ > Help-octave mailing list > Help-octave at octave.org > https://mailman.cae.wisc.edu/**listinfo/help-octave > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dniesen at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 07:11:26 2011 From: dniesen at gmail.com (Donovan) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 07:11:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for way to read rotation metadata from the command line (or other way) Message-ID: We're doing some video encoding using FFMpeg and we're getting some videos coming in that are rotated and would like to automatically detect the rotation and flip them. From what I've been able to research, there is a rotation flag/variable in the files that say if it's rotated and to what degree (ie: 90, 180, etc). I can't for the life of me figure out how to find this info. I've tried using mplayer/midentify but it doesn't seem to display anything. I know it can be done as processing the same videos through encoding.com shows the rotation value but we're trying to roll our own solution. Hoping somebody else has run into this. Thanks in advance! -- Donovan Niesen From vc.lists at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 12:58:21 2011 From: vc.lists at gmail.com (Venkat Chandra) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 12:58:21 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for way to read rotation metadata from the command line (or other way) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What format are the input files? - Vee On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:11 AM, Donovan wrote: > We're doing some video encoding using FFMpeg and we're getting some > videos coming in that are rotated and would like to automatically > detect the rotation and flip them. ?From what I've been able to > research, there is a rotation flag/variable in the files that say if > it's rotated and to what degree (ie: 90, 180, etc). ?I can't for the > life of me figure out how to find this info. ?I've tried using > mplayer/midentify but it doesn't seem to display anything. > > I know it can be done as processing the same videos through > encoding.com shows the rotation value but we're trying to roll our own > solution. ?Hoping somebody else has run into this. > > Thanks in advance! > > -- > Donovan Niesen > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 10:17:52 2011 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 10:17:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for way to read rotation metadata from the command line (or other way) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, Donovan wrote: > We're doing some video encoding using FFMpeg and we're getting some > videos coming in that are rotated and would like to automatically detect > the rotation and flip them. From what I've been able to research, there > is a rotation flag/variable in the files that say if it's rotated and to > what degree (ie: 90, 180, etc). I can't for the life of me figure out > how to find this info. I've tried using mplayer/midentify but it > doesn't seem to display anything. > > I know it can be done as processing the same videos through encoding.com > shows the rotation value but we're trying to roll our own solution. > Hoping somebody else has run into this. Are you familiar with exiftool? It's a nice perl script that I have used often to work with metadata. I have used it mostly with JPEG image files, but it can read, at least, data from all sorts of files. Here' ssome info: http://www.sno.phy.queensu.ca/~phil/exiftool/exiftool_pod.html I have used it to change metadata in JPEG files and I would think that it can do that for some image formats. Regarding flipping -- I don't know anything about video, but with image files it is possible to do lossless rotation. It is a little tricky to do it, though. The code snippet below gives a clue on how I've been doing this with JPEG files. Again, I'm not sure how it works with video data. I would think one would either have to rotate every frame to truly rotate the video. If the problem is that the software is showing the wrong orientation because of some tag, the tag could be fixed, but this presumes that the software can rotate the video display. Mike # Perform lossless rotation of JPEGs preserving all EXIF data. This # requires the exifautotran script and the C programs it calls -- # jpegtran and jpegexiforient -- all written by someone else. When # the Orientation tag is set incorrectly, this step will do nothing # and you will have to run the scripts "rotleft" and/or "rotright" (or # use other software) to achieve the desired lossless rotation. if [ $has_JPEG -gt 0 ]; then exifautotran *.jpg fi # update the File Modification Date/Time EXIF field in all JPEG files # so that it is the same as in the Date/Time Original EXIF field if [ $has_JPEG -gt 0 ]; then for file in $(ls -1 | grep -E '\.jpg$'); do exiftool '-DateTimeOriginal>FileModifyDate' "${file}" > /dev/null done fi