From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com  Mon Sep  5 20:28:24 2011
From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 20:28:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] GNOME in Ubuntu Linux 11.04 in VirtualBox
Message-ID: <20110905202824.370bbab59fba62e93227bc11@jasonhsu.com>

I've been using Ubuntu Linux 11.04 in VirtualBox solely for learning Ruby on Rails.  (For those of you who haven't tried it, Ruby on Rails is EXTREMELY finicky, and the version, OS, etc. need to be just right.  The book _Agile Development With Rails_ has installation instructions for Ubuntu but not for other distros.)

I've heard people complain about the new Unity interface in Ubuntu and say that GNOME was so much better.

In my case, Unity didn't work with VirtualBox, so Ubuntu automatically switched to GNOME.  I'm pretty sure that there must be an easy way for people to manually switch from Unity to GNOME when installing Ubuntu.  I'll bet that FreeGeek (which installs Ubuntu on donated computers) is looking into this.

My only complaints about Ubuntu 11.04 are its relatively slow operation (even with 2 GB of RAM) and the LONG time needed to install.  Yes, this does remind me of a certain OS from a Redmond software company.  In defense of Ubuntu, I've been spoiled by antiX Linux, Puppy Linux, and Swift Linux.  It's amazing how using Linux (and especially lightweight distros) has conditioned me to expect an OS to install in just a few minutes and to get speeding tickets.  I still think Ubuntu is a good OS.  Although I gripe about the long installation time, at least it didn't require my constant attention like the installation of a certain OS from Redmond.

-- 
Jason Hsu
Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org)

From justin.kremer at gmail.com  Mon Sep  5 21:08:40 2011
From: justin.kremer at gmail.com (Justin Kremer)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 21:08:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] GNOME in Ubuntu Linux 11.04 in VirtualBox
In-Reply-To: <20110905202824.370bbab59fba62e93227bc11@jasonhsu.com>
References: <20110905202824.370bbab59fba62e93227bc11@jasonhsu.com>
Message-ID: <CAC3D_tg+SiBzmxXVKBGONYtc0xK8wAmaWDVKPibkAD9trXUkSg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Jason Hsu <jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com> wrote:
> In my case, Unity didn't work with VirtualBox, so Ubuntu automatically switched to GNOME. ?I'm pretty sure that there must be an easy way for people to manually switch from Unity to GNOME when installing Ubuntu. ?I'll bet that FreeGeek (which installs Ubuntu on donated computers) is looking into this.
>

There is an easy way.  When you are at the login screen there is a
dropdown that defaults to "Ubuntu" and you can select "Ubuntu Classic"
to get GNOME rather than Unity.
- Justin

From nesius at gmail.com  Mon Sep  5 22:49:28 2011
From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 22:49:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] GNOME in Ubuntu Linux 11.04 in VirtualBox
In-Reply-To: <20110905202824.370bbab59fba62e93227bc11@jasonhsu.com>
References: <20110905202824.370bbab59fba62e93227bc11@jasonhsu.com>
Message-ID: <CAOOsjE-srpREEwCP++8QhfoeFp2Nu1UUKN0wGG6X5-GFh9P41w@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Jason Hsu <jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com> wrote:

> I've been using Ubuntu Linux 11.04 in VirtualBox solely for learning Ruby
> on Rails.  (For those of you who haven't tried it, Ruby on Rails is
> EXTREMELY finicky, and the version, OS, etc. need to be just right.  The
> book _Agile Development With Rails_ has installation instructions for Ubuntu
> but not for other distros.)
>
>
Not sure I believe that.  I think it's more important to have the right
version of Ruby.  I'm running Rails over Ruby on Win7 against Postgres (also
on Win7).  To me if I can get a Rails dev tool-chain running on Win7, Linux
would have to be pretty darned straight forward.

-Rob
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Mon Sep  5 23:00:26 2011
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 23:00:26 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] GNOME in Ubuntu Linux 11.04 in VirtualBox
In-Reply-To: <20110905202824.370bbab59fba62e93227bc11@jasonhsu.com>
References: <20110905202824.370bbab59fba62e93227bc11@jasonhsu.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1109052251030.1980@dragon>

On Mon, 5 Sep 2011, Jason Hsu wrote:

> My only complaints about Ubuntu 11.04 are its relatively slow operation 
> (even with 2 GB of RAM) and the LONG time needed to install.

If you're still running it in a virtual machine, well. Yeah, it's slow. 
It's in a virtual machine. Run it on my desktop and it'll be blazing fast 
even with Gnome. Then again, so would Windows 7.

Nowadays, even cheap computers come with more than 2gb of RAM, and nobody 
really expects any current OS to work REALLY well with less than 8. If 
you're going to run Ubuntu on old hardware (even if it's simulated) you 
should try a desktop environment that was actually designed for that sort 
of thing. Remember, Gnome (and KDE etc) are being developed to give 
CURRENT users a CURRENT desktop environment - and that means a lot of 
flashy lights and eye candy and bells and whistles - things that will take 
advantage of your 24gb of RAM and your quad-core CPU and your SLI video 
cards, etc, and might be kinda sucky without them.

Switch your Ubuntu to Window Maker or FVWM, use Chrome instead of Firefox 
(or better yet, get Firefox 3), use Pine rather than Evolution and use an 
xterm/aterm instead of whatever abominable GUI-based file manager Gnome 
throws at you, and trust me, it'll be a HELL of a lot faster.




-Yaron

--

From random at argle.org  Tue Sep  6 08:53:21 2011
From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 08:53:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] GNOME in Ubuntu Linux 11.04 in VirtualBox
In-Reply-To: <CAC3D_tg+SiBzmxXVKBGONYtc0xK8wAmaWDVKPibkAD9trXUkSg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20110905202824.370bbab59fba62e93227bc11@jasonhsu.com>
	<CAC3D_tg+SiBzmxXVKBGONYtc0xK8wAmaWDVKPibkAD9trXUkSg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E6625D1.9010802@argle.org>

On 09/05/2011 09:08 PM, Justin Kremer wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 8:28 PM, Jason Hsu <jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com> wrote:
>> In my case, Unity didn't work with VirtualBox, so Ubuntu automatically switched to GNOME.  I'm pretty sure that there must be an easy way for people to manually switch from Unity to GNOME when installing Ubuntu.  I'll bet that FreeGeek (which installs Ubuntu on donated computers) is looking into this.
>>
> 
> There is an easy way.  When you are at the login screen there is a
> dropdown that defaults to "Ubuntu" and you can select "Ubuntu Classic"
> to get GNOME rather than Unity.

That lets you log in to Gnome, but doesn't let you skip installing Unity.

If I recall correctly, the way to control which desktop you get off the
initial install is to install the server edition without a desktop
environment, then install your preferred desktop environment from there.

-- 
Dan

From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com  Tue Sep  6 09:07:41 2011
From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 09:07:41 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] GNOME in Ubuntu Linux 11.04 in VirtualBox
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1109052251030.1980@dragon>
References: <20110905202824.370bbab59fba62e93227bc11@jasonhsu.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.02.1109052251030.1980@dragon>
Message-ID: <20110906090741.410d368a8a144d0ca7f3d8a3@jasonhsu.com>

On Mon, 5 Sep 2011 23:00:26 -0500 (CDT)
Yaron <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> 
> Nowadays, even cheap computers come with more than 2gb of RAM, and nobody 
> really expects any current OS to work REALLY well with less than 8. If 
> you're going to run Ubuntu on old hardware (even if it's simulated) you 
> should try a desktop environment that was actually designed for that sort 
> of thing. Remember, Gnome (and KDE etc) are being developed to give 
> CURRENT users a CURRENT desktop environment - and that means a lot of 
> flashy lights and eye candy and bells and whistles - things that will take 
> advantage of your 24gb of RAM and your quad-core CPU and your SLI video 
> cards, etc, and might be kinda sucky without them.
> 
I think that even the most bloated Linux distro should work very well even with considerably less than 8 GB of RAM.  It seems so surreal that computers can come with 24 GB of RAM, because it feels like just yesterday that 24 GB was a hard drive.  Earlier this year, I gave away an 11-year-old desktop computer with a 4.3 GB hard drive.

That said, I'm sure Windows 8 will find a way to take advantage of all 8-24 GB of RAM.  I highly doubt that Microsoft will release another OS that's lighter than it's predecessor.

> Switch your Ubuntu to Window Maker or FVWM, use Chrome instead of Firefox 
> (or better yet, get Firefox 3), use Pine rather than Evolution and use an 
> xterm/aterm instead of whatever abominable GUI-based file manager Gnome 
> throws at you, and trust me, it'll be a HELL of a lot faster.
> 
Ubuntu with GNOME works at a reasonable speed.  I'm just used to running Swift Linux as the host OS with 3.25 GB of RAM on a 2006-vintage dual-core computer.

-- 
Jason Hsu
Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org)

From admin at lctn.org  Tue Sep  6 09:44:09 2011
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:44:09 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] issue tracking solution
Message-ID: <4E6631B9.1040701@lctn.org>

  A number of years ago I used Request Tracker for support requests and 
tracking. I am hearing of some using GPLI lately. I need to set up 
something new and have never touched GPLI. Any ideas as to which one is 
best to use for support request (not concerned about inventory tracking)


Raymond

From nesius at gmail.com  Tue Sep  6 12:49:48 2011
From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius)
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 12:49:48 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] issue tracking solution
In-Reply-To: <4E6631B9.1040701@lctn.org>
References: <4E6631B9.1040701@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <CAOOsjE8CuO3WcfVi7AHvk_XZUY6XqTB+K-4Kj1ix-ZhR2Xqqqg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> wrote:

>  A number of years ago I used Request Tracker for support requests and
> tracking. I am hearing of some using GPLI lately. I need to set up something
> new and have never touched GPLI. Any ideas as to which one is best to use
> for support request (not concerned about inventory tracking)
>
>
> Raymond
>

This is the first I've heard of GPLI - let us know how it goes if you pursue
it.   I'm presently using RT, and the other Open Source application I
strongly considered was OTRS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTRS).

I'm presently using an older RT, but the newer 4.x series has a lot of
enhancements - including a more AJAXy interface.

-Rob
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From lmclemens at comcast.net  Wed Sep  7 20:27:43 2011
From: lmclemens at comcast.net (Larry Clemens)
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2011 20:27:43 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Computers for sale
Message-ID: <4E681A0F.1090602@comcast.net>

Hi Folks

When I have posted here in the distant past, it was to fix a 
problem.This time it is a little different.I rehab computers for the St. 
Vincent dePaul thriftstore in Minneapolis, and we have a bunch of HP 
dx2300 computers for sale.They are 1.6 GHz dual core Intel processors 
(E2140). I GB RAM,80 GB SATA HD on an Intel mobo with a DVDRW, and a 
small internal speaker,the case is a small micro tower, no COA on the 
box.They make great Linux machines.

We sell them at our thrift store (2939 12^th Ave S., Mpls --about a 
block from the old Sears bldg., now the Midtown Exchange bldg.)for $50 + 
tax, but to folks who say the magic words., "Linux is great!", the price 
is $45 + tax,  or three for $120 + tax.

At this price you can load a distro for assessment and not have to take 
everything apart, before you load another.

If you are interested, give me a call at 532 8014 (area code 612).We 
don't have much space at the store, so if a number of people want them, 
give me a heads up so I can get more out of storage.I also check my 
email in the morning and evening: lmclemens(AT symbol)comcast.net.

Larry Clemens

PSIf anyone wants to optimize Mint 11 for me on one of these boxes -- it 
loads easily, but needs added functionality -- I can reward you with a 
machine or two.

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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Thu Sep  8 12:46:40 2011
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 12:46:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Computers for sale
Message-ID: <CABWFOjtW8s_P_NTLso_fGPnHUcByGJsBpM_YKZgXhU366mnJUg@mail.gmail.com>

Larry Clemens:
> We sell them at our thrift store (2939 12^th Ave S., Mpls --about a
> block from the old Sears bldg., now the Midtown Exchange bldg.)for $50 +
> tax, but to folks who say the magic words., "Linux is great!", the price
> is $45 + tax,  or three for $120 + tax.

I'm not sure if Linux is great.  I like it more than Windows, but
that's about all I can say.  The following is a quote from James
Kanze on a C++ forum earlier this week.

"I don't know about OS X, since I've never used it,
but it's true that Linux and Windows services are
far from robust.  Neither are really what I'd take
as a model.  (I wouldn't use either Linux or Windows
if I needed a reliable server.)"


-- 
Brian Wood
Ebenezer Enterprises
http://webEbenezer.net
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From mark.katerberg at gmail.com  Thu Sep  8 12:50:21 2011
From: mark.katerberg at gmail.com (Mark Katerberg)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 12:50:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Computers for sale
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjtW8s_P_NTLso_fGPnHUcByGJsBpM_YKZgXhU366mnJUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjtW8s_P_NTLso_fGPnHUcByGJsBpM_YKZgXhU366mnJUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA6U0N2=rgnrgu1ib5PGp3FhLHM0CQp1sUyomPk7g7BpO1y25w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the helpful comment.
On Sep 8, 2011 12:46 PM, "Brian Wood" <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Larry Clemens:
>> We sell them at our thrift store (2939 12^th Ave S., Mpls --about a
>> block from the old Sears bldg., now the Midtown Exchange bldg.)for $50 +
>> tax, but to folks who say the magic words., "Linux is great!", the price
>> is $45 + tax, or three for $120 + tax.
>
> I'm not sure if Linux is great. I like it more than Windows, but
> that's about all I can say. The following is a quote from James
> Kanze on a C++ forum earlier this week.
>
> "I don't know about OS X, since I've never used it,
> but it's true that Linux and Windows services are
> far from robust. Neither are really what I'd take
> as a model. (I wouldn't use either Linux or Windows
> if I needed a reliable server.)"
>
>
> --
> Brian Wood
> Ebenezer Enterprises
> http://webEbenezer.net
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From florin at iucha.net  Thu Sep  8 13:03:46 2011
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 13:03:46 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Computers for sale
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjtW8s_P_NTLso_fGPnHUcByGJsBpM_YKZgXhU366mnJUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjtW8s_P_NTLso_fGPnHUcByGJsBpM_YKZgXhU366mnJUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110908180345.GI8126@styx.iucha.org>

On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 12:46:40PM -0500, Brian Wood wrote:
> Larry Clemens:
> > We sell them at our thrift store (2939 12^th Ave S., Mpls --about a
> > block from the old Sears bldg., now the Midtown Exchange bldg.)for $50 +
> > tax, but to folks who say the magic words., "Linux is great!", the price
> > is $45 + tax,  or three for $120 + tax.
> 
> I'm not sure if Linux is great.  I like it more than Windows, but
> that's about all I can say.  The following is a quote from James
> Kanze on a C++ forum earlier this week.
> 
> "I don't know about OS X, since I've never used it,
> but it's true that Linux and Windows services are
> far from robust.  Neither are really what I'd take
> as a model.  (I wouldn't use either Linux or Windows
> if I needed a reliable server.)"

As much as I respect James Kanze's opinion on C++ (I have been
reading his posts on and off for more than a decade) I would not be
using an out-of-context negative quote to base my decisions about
server operating systems on.  I am interested in what works for
him and what data about reliability is he employing when choosing a
platform and dissing another.

Cheers,
florin

-- 
Don't question authority!  They don't know either.
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Thu Sep  8 14:19:54 2011
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 14:19:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Computers for sale
In-Reply-To: <20110908180345.GI8126@styx.iucha.org>
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	<20110908180345.GI8126@styx.iucha.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1109081418520.25084@dragon>

On Thu, 8 Sep 2011, Florin Iucha wrote:


> I would not be using an out-of-context negative quote to base my 
> decisions about server operating systems on.

And defeinitely not to determine which catch-phrase would be appropriate 
for receiving a discount at a store!


-Yaron

--

From florin at iucha.net  Thu Sep  8 15:01:43 2011
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 15:01:43 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Computers for sale
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1109081418520.25084@dragon>
References: <CABWFOjtW8s_P_NTLso_fGPnHUcByGJsBpM_YKZgXhU366mnJUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110908180345.GI8126@styx.iucha.org>
	<alpine.DEB.2.02.1109081418520.25084@dragon>
Message-ID: <20110908200143.GJ8126@styx.iucha.org>

On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 02:19:54PM -0500, Yaron wrote:
>> I would not be using an out-of-context negative quote to base my  
>> decisions about server operating systems on.
>
> And defeinitely not to determine which catch-phrase would be appropriate  
> for receiving a discount at a store!

Is it a catch-phrase or a secret handshake?  Don't you want the
passwords to be hard to guess?  8^)

Cheers,
florin

-- 
Don't question authority!  They don't know either.
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From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com  Thu Sep  8 15:59:30 2011
From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B)
Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 13:59:30 -0700
Subject: [tclug-list] Computers for sale
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjtW8s_P_NTLso_fGPnHUcByGJsBpM_YKZgXhU366mnJUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjtW8s_P_NTLso_fGPnHUcByGJsBpM_YKZgXhU366mnJUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E692CB2.6030302@gmail.com>

On 9/8/2011 10:46 AM, Brian Wood cried from the depths of the abyss:

> "I don't know about OS X, since I've never used it,
> but it's true that Linux and Windows services are
> far from robust.  Neither are really what I'd take
> as a model.  (I wouldn't use either Linux or Windows
> if I needed a reliable server.)"

I find it disgraceful to associate the word ROBUST with Linux.  Doesn't 
he know that is a registered trademark for M$?

From ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com  Fri Sep  9 15:44:58 2011
From: ronsmailbox5 at gmail.com (ron johnson)
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 15:44:58 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 81, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1315587601.11210.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
References: <mailman.1.1315587601.11210.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <CAE02q5dqJuKJ3WJrQziFFR_F3i2-QeQqNnTnKL-jG6ux0URreg@mail.gmail.com>

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> Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 12:46:40 -0500
> From: Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com>
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Computers for sale
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>
> Larry Clemens:
> > We sell them at our thrift store (2939 12^th Ave S., Mpls --about a
> > block from the old Sears bldg., now the Midtown Exchange bldg.)for $50 +
> > tax, but to folks who say the magic words., "Linux is great!", the price
> > is $45 + tax,  or three for $120 + tax.
>
> I'm not sure if Linux is great.  I like it more than Windows, but
> that's about all I can say.  The following is a quote from James
> Kanze on a C++ forum earlier this week.
>
> "I don't know about OS X, since I've never used it,
> but it's true that Linux and Windows services are
> far from robust.  Neither are really what I'd take
> as a model.  (I wouldn't use either Linux or Windows
> if I needed a reliable server.)"
>
>
> --
> Brian Wood
> Ebenezer Enterprises
> http://webEbenezer.net
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>        <CAA6U0N2=rgnrgu1ib5PGp3FhLHM0CQp1sUyomPk7g7BpO1y25w at mail.gmail.com
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> Thanks for the helpful comment.
> On Sep 8, 2011 12:46 PM, "Brian Wood" <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Larry Clemens:
> >> We sell them at our thrift store (2939 12^th Ave S., Mpls --about a
> >> block from the old Sears bldg., now the Midtown Exchange bldg.)for $50 +
> >> tax, but to folks who say the magic words., "Linux is great!", the price
> >> is $45 + tax, or three for $120 + tax.
> >
> > I'm not sure if Linux is great. I like it more than Windows, but
> > that's about all I can say. The following is a quote from James
> > Kanze on a C++ forum earlier this week.
> >
> > "I don't know about OS X, since I've never used it,
> > but it's true that Linux and Windows services are
> > far from robust. Neither are really what I'd take
> > as a model. (I wouldn't use either Linux or Windows
> > if I needed a reliable server.)"
> >
> >
> > --
> > Brian Wood
> > Ebenezer Enterprises
> > http://webEbenezer.net
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 13:03:46 -0500
> From: Florin Iucha <florin at iucha.net>
> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Computers for sale
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> On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 12:46:40PM -0500, Brian Wood wrote:
> > Larry Clemens:
> > > We sell them at our thrift store (2939 12^th Ave S., Mpls --about a
> > > block from the old Sears bldg., now the Midtown Exchange bldg.)for $50
> +
> > > tax, but to folks who say the magic words., "Linux is great!", the
> price
> > > is $45 + tax,  or three for $120 + tax.
> >
> > I'm not sure if Linux is great.  I like it more than Windows, but
> > that's about all I can say.  The following is a quote from James
> > Kanze on a C++ forum earlier this week.
> >
> > "I don't know about OS X, since I've never used it,
> > but it's true that Linux and Windows services are
> > far from robust.  Neither are really what I'd take
> > as a model.  (I wouldn't use either Linux or Windows
> > if I needed a reliable server.)"
>
> As much as I respect James Kanze's opinion on C++ (I have been
> reading his posts on and off for more than a decade) I would not be
> using an out-of-context negative quote to base my decisions about
> server operating systems on.  I am interested in what works for
> him and what data about reliability is he employing when choosing a
> platform and dissing another.
>
> Cheers,
> florin
>
> --
> Don't question authority!  They don't know either.
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 14:19:54 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Yaron <tclug at freakzilla.com>
> To: TCLUG <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Computers for sale
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> On Thu, 8 Sep 2011, Florin Iucha wrote:
>
>
> > I would not be using an out-of-context negative quote to base my
> > decisions about server operating systems on.
>
> And defeinitely not to determine which catch-phrase would be appropriate
> for receiving a discount at a store!
>
>
> -Yaron
>
> --
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 15:01:43 -0500
> From: Florin Iucha <florin at iucha.net>
> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Computers for sale
> Message-ID: <20110908200143.GJ8126 at styx.iucha.org>
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> On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 02:19:54PM -0500, Yaron wrote:
> >> I would not be using an out-of-context negative quote to base my
> >> decisions about server operating systems on.
> >
> > And defeinitely not to determine which catch-phrase would be appropriate
> > for receiving a discount at a store!
>
> Is it a catch-phrase or a secret handshake?  Don't you want the
> passwords to be hard to guess?  8^)
>
> Cheers,
> florin
>
> --
> Don't question authority!  They don't know either.
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> Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 13:59:30 -0700
> From: "Mr. B-o-B" <mr.chew.baka at gmail.com>
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Computers for sale
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> On 9/8/2011 10:46 AM, Brian Wood cried from the depths of the abyss:
>
> > "I don't know about OS X, since I've never used it,
> > but it's true that Linux and Windows services are
> > far from robust.  Neither are really what I'd take
> > as a model.  (I wouldn't use either Linux or Windows
> > if I needed a reliable server.)"
>
> I find it disgraceful to associate the word ROBUST with Linux.  Doesn't
> he know that is a registered trademark for M$?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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> End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 81, Issue 4
> *****************************************
>
Pessimist vs realist.
Please choose realist and write an operating system that does everything
automatically.
then when you have it working perfectly, made version 1.0 available and are
living the dream you will realize people will crack it and steal information
etc...
Computers are not the problem people are. I try to imagine how easy it would
be to write programs and protocols that work when security is not a concern.
Every time your mac updates security patches are being installed.
You are paying a premium for that service.
Your mac happens to be running on top of freeBSD.
So why not just run freeBSD ?

better signature ( there is no such thing as magic)
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From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com  Thu Sep 15 14:30:26 2011
From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 14:30:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Geographic areas with the most Linux users
Message-ID: <20110915143026.a3a79a1690c512f0a2a66320@jasonhsu.com>

Does anyone here know what geographic areas have the greatest concentrations of Linux users?  Is the Bay area (Silicon Valley, Oakland, San Francisco, Berkeley, etc.) the most Linux-heavy area in the US?

I'm asking, because I'd like to create a new special edition of Swift Linux that allows my distro to go viral.  For version 0.1.3 of Swift Linux, I'm considering rolling out a Silicon Valley edition.  I'd expect Linux to be most popular in Silicon Valley, just as I'd expect Nashville to be the place in the US where country music is most popular.

I'm thinking that if I create a Silicon Valley edition and promote it on the mailing lists of the Bay Area Linux user groups, it would really attract attention around the Bay area.  Since Silicon Valley is considered to be the epicenter of technology, it would be a boon for the image of Swift Linux, and the word would get around.  Also, I'd be able to attract developers who can help me further improve Swift Linux, which would really bring it to the mainstream.

-- 
Jason Hsu
Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org)

From erik.mitchell at gmail.com  Thu Sep 15 14:40:58 2011
From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 14:40:58 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Geographic areas with the most Linux users
In-Reply-To: <20110915143026.a3a79a1690c512f0a2a66320@jasonhsu.com>
References: <20110915143026.a3a79a1690c512f0a2a66320@jasonhsu.com>
Message-ID: <CANNReEEHQz-NW8GKL6AKFsvG3iR3bLiGg52KgNa_9KOvgoSV=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Jason,
It would be cool to do an homage to some of the Meccas of UNIX --
Berkley, CA (BSD) (bay area), Cambridge, MA (GNU), Helsinki (Linux).

Cool idea!

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Jason Hsu <jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com> wrote:
> Does anyone here know what geographic areas have the greatest concentrations of Linux users? ?Is the Bay area (Silicon Valley, Oakland, San Francisco, Berkeley, etc.) the most Linux-heavy area in the US?
>
> I'm asking, because I'd like to create a new special edition of Swift Linux that allows my distro to go viral. ?For version 0.1.3 of Swift Linux, I'm considering rolling out a Silicon Valley edition. ?I'd expect Linux to be most popular in Silicon Valley, just as I'd expect Nashville to be the place in the US where country music is most popular.
>
> I'm thinking that if I create a Silicon Valley edition and promote it on the mailing lists of the Bay Area Linux user groups, it would really attract attention around the Bay area. ?Since Silicon Valley is considered to be the epicenter of technology, it would be a boon for the image of Swift Linux, and the word would get around. ?Also, I'd be able to attract developers who can help me further improve Swift Linux, which would really bring it to the mainstream.
>
> --
> Jason Hsu
> Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org)
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



-- 
Erik K. Mitchell
erik.mitchell at gmail.com
http://mitc0185.com/

From 13.finn at gmail.com  Thu Sep 15 14:43:12 2011
From: 13.finn at gmail.com (Patrick "Finn" Robins)
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 14:43:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Geographic areas with the most Linux users
In-Reply-To: <20110915143026.a3a79a1690c512f0a2a66320@jasonhsu.com>
References: <20110915143026.a3a79a1690c512f0a2a66320@jasonhsu.com>
Message-ID: <CA+=GO=XL7iNvDQBC5RidEj+=EKg2zOVcuDVmriEMTGJBCuQ09g@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 14:30, Jason Hsu <jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com> wrote:

> Does anyone here know what geographic areas have the greatest
> concentrations of Linux users?  Is the Bay area (Silicon Valley, Oakland,
> San Francisco, Berkeley, etc.) the most Linux-heavy area in the US?
>

Portland Oregon is a huge open source center. The Open Source Development
Lab was in Beaverton just outside Portland until The Linux Foundation was
created and http://www.oscon.com/oscon2011 is still held in Portland. You
might want to talk to the guys on the http://www.pdxlinux.org/ mailing list.
They are one of the most active LUGs I have ever found.

-- 
Patrick "Finn" Robins

Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter
and those who matter don't mind.

  - Dr. Seuss
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From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com  Fri Sep 16 01:34:41 2011
From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 01:34:41 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a new Swift Linux web host
Message-ID: <20110916013441.bf95ede379438723f51cc47b@jasonhsu.com>

My Swift Linux web site is up for renewal in early November.  My current web host is Fatcow, which offered me a $44 special for one year but will now charge me $88/year.

The things I'm looking for are:
1.  Support for Drupal
2.  A relatively low REGULAR price: I'm not interested in a temporary special deal, because I do NOT want to change web hosts in the future.
3.  Support for 3 GB/month bandwidth initially but with additional plans supporting more bandwidth  (I now know better than to believe in "unlimited" bandwidth.)

-- 
Jason Hsu
Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org)

From erik.mitchell at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 07:40:27 2011
From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 07:40:27 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a new Swift Linux web host
In-Reply-To: <20110916013441.bf95ede379438723f51cc47b@jasonhsu.com>
References: <20110916013441.bf95ede379438723f51cc47b@jasonhsu.com>
Message-ID: <CANNReEGVkvuaujZOvgxHgjPRaK00Kt2a-og+G-4j0T_MMwgC+A@mail.gmail.com>

Jason,
I would recommend Nexcess.net.

http://www.nexcess.net/shared-hosting

I've had nothing but great experience with them.

-Erik

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Jason Hsu <jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com> wrote:
> My Swift Linux web site is up for renewal in early November. ?My current web host is Fatcow, which offered me a $44 special for one year but will now charge me $88/year.
>
> The things I'm looking for are:
> 1. ?Support for Drupal
> 2. ?A relatively low REGULAR price: I'm not interested in a temporary special deal, because I do NOT want to change web hosts in the future.
> 3. ?Support for 3 GB/month bandwidth initially but with additional plans supporting more bandwidth ?(I now know better than to believe in "unlimited" bandwidth.)
>
> --
> Jason Hsu
> Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org)
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



-- 
Erik K. Mitchell
erik.mitchell at gmail.com
http://mitc0185.com/

From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 07:43:01 2011
From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 07:43:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a new Swift Linux web host
In-Reply-To: <20110916013441.bf95ede379438723f51cc47b@jasonhsu.com>
References: <20110916013441.bf95ede379438723f51cc47b@jasonhsu.com>
Message-ID: <CACEdYO3LwCGW5DDGAnQ9=J613CuJA2eg=Y=+cEHjcWAqdStY5w@mail.gmail.com>

--
Jeremy MountainJohnson
Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com



On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Jason Hsu <jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com> wrote:
> My Swift Linux web site is up for renewal in early November. ?My current web host is Fatcow, which offered me a $44 special for one year but will now charge me $88/year.
>
> The things I'm looking for are:
> 1. ?Support for Drupal
> 2. ?A relatively low REGULAR price: I'm not interested in a temporary special deal, because I do NOT want to change web hosts in the future.
> 3. ?Support for 3 GB/month bandwidth initially but with additional plans supporting more bandwidth ?(I now know better than to believe in "unlimited" bandwidth.)
>
> --
> Jason Hsu
> Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org)
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 07:56:00 2011
From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 07:56:00 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a new Swift Linux web host
In-Reply-To: <CACEdYO3LwCGW5DDGAnQ9=J613CuJA2eg=Y=+cEHjcWAqdStY5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20110916013441.bf95ede379438723f51cc47b@jasonhsu.com>
	<CACEdYO3LwCGW5DDGAnQ9=J613CuJA2eg=Y=+cEHjcWAqdStY5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACEdYO1g6nceW8dZU1ya5NTfRVKZPe0yNmBboo6HXON1hqsekQ@mail.gmail.com>

Take a look at Dreamhost. I've been with them for a few years and
haven't had many problems. Cheap hosting for what you get (around $10
month since I prepay). They offer mostly unlimited bandwidth shared
Linux hosting (unless Taylor Swift publicly endorses Swift Linux you
should be fine). Personal backup space (50 GB), e-mail accounts, SSH
access, mySQL, and Drupal as a one click add-in (I prefer installing
CMS myself, and they let you do that too). If you decide to look into
it, I'd shoot an e-mail to their sales people since you're not a
profit oriented entity- they are generous with discounts and charity
work. They also have dedicated hosting, so you wouldn't have to switch
host providers if you want to substantially upgrade your hosting
service.

Good luck,

--
Jeremy MountainJohnson
Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com



On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Jeremy MountainJohnson
<jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com> wrote:
> --
> Jeremy MountainJohnson
> Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Jason Hsu <jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com> wrote:
>> My Swift Linux web site is up for renewal in early November. ?My current web host is Fatcow, which offered me a $44 special for one year but will now charge me $88/year.
>>
>> The things I'm looking for are:
>> 1. ?Support for Drupal
>> 2. ?A relatively low REGULAR price: I'm not interested in a temporary special deal, because I do NOT want to change web hosts in the future.
>> 3. ?Support for 3 GB/month bandwidth initially but with additional plans supporting more bandwidth ?(I now know better than to believe in "unlimited" bandwidth.)
>>
>> --
>> Jason Hsu
>> Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org)
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>

From shaneisageek at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 08:17:26 2011
From: shaneisageek at gmail.com (Shane Lambert)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 08:17:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a new Swift Linux web host
In-Reply-To: <CACEdYO1g6nceW8dZU1ya5NTfRVKZPe0yNmBboo6HXON1hqsekQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20110916013441.bf95ede379438723f51cc47b@jasonhsu.com>
	<CACEdYO3LwCGW5DDGAnQ9=J613CuJA2eg=Y=+cEHjcWAqdStY5w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACEdYO1g6nceW8dZU1ya5NTfRVKZPe0yNmBboo6HXON1hqsekQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4E734C66.7030002@gmail.com>

If you are hosting large files for download, DO NOT use Dreamhost. A 
client of mine used to host video and audio files, some as large as 
100mb. Their unlimited bandwidth IS NOT unlimited. After about 2Gb of 
bandwidth your site is throttled way down.

I don't know of any good shared hosting systems that allow for a lot of 
bandwidth without throttling. I use HostGator, and I host some large 
files, but I put them on Amazon S3. I wonder if you could go that route. 
Are you using FTP to distribute or a web based interface?

On 09/16/2011 07:56 AM, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote:
> Take a look at Dreamhost. I've been with them for a few years and
> haven't had many problems. Cheap hosting for what you get (around $10
> month since I prepay). They offer mostly unlimited bandwidth shared
> Linux hosting (unless Taylor Swift publicly endorses Swift Linux you
> should be fine). Personal backup space (50 GB), e-mail accounts, SSH
> access, mySQL, and Drupal as a one click add-in (I prefer installing
> CMS myself, and they let you do that too). If you decide to look into
> it, I'd shoot an e-mail to their sales people since you're not a
> profit oriented entity- they are generous with discounts and charity
> work. They also have dedicated hosting, so you wouldn't have to switch
> host providers if you want to substantially upgrade your hosting
> service.
>
> Good luck,
>
> --
> Jeremy MountainJohnson
> Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Jeremy MountainJohnson
> <jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com>  wrote:
>> --
>> Jeremy MountainJohnson
>> Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Jason Hsu<jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com>  wrote:
>>> My Swift Linux web site is up for renewal in early November.  My current web host is Fatcow, which offered me a $44 special for one year but will now charge me $88/year.
>>>
>>> The things I'm looking for are:
>>> 1.  Support for Drupal
>>> 2.  A relatively low REGULAR price: I'm not interested in a temporary special deal, because I do NOT want to change web hosts in the future.
>>> 3.  Support for 3 GB/month bandwidth initially but with additional plans supporting more bandwidth  (I now know better than to believe in "unlimited" bandwidth.)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jason Hsu
>>> Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org)
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From adam.morris at redstargaming.net  Fri Sep 16 07:49:36 2011
From: adam.morris at redstargaming.net (Adam Morris)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 07:49:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a new Swift Linux web host
In-Reply-To: <20110916013441.bf95ede379438723f51cc47b@jasonhsu.com>
References: <20110916013441.bf95ede379438723f51cc47b@jasonhsu.com>
Message-ID: <BA644A8C-2105-4BD6-9C13-A74CAF659EC3@redstargaming.net>

Linode is fantastic.  You can get a decent VPS for $20 a month and it has everything you'll need for a webserver.  Additionally they give you 200GB bandwidth to start.  The only trade off is that you have to manage the server yourself since its a VPS... but I personally don't look at that as a negative.  I've been using Linode for a few years and I can't think of a time when they raised prices.

http://www.linode.com

On Sep 16, 2011, at 1:34 AM, Jason Hsu wrote:

> My Swift Linux web site is up for renewal in early November.  My current web host is Fatcow, which offered me a $44 special for one year but will now charge me $88/year.
> 
> The things I'm looking for are:
> 1.  Support for Drupal
> 2.  A relatively low REGULAR price: I'm not interested in a temporary special deal, because I do NOT want to change web hosts in the future.
> 3.  Support for 3 GB/month bandwidth initially but with additional plans supporting more bandwidth  (I now know better than to believe in "unlimited" bandwidth.)
> 
> -- 
> Jason Hsu
> Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org)
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com  Fri Sep 16 10:16:20 2011
From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:16:20 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a new Swift Linux web host
In-Reply-To: <20110916013441.bf95ede379438723f51cc47b@jasonhsu.com>
References: <20110916013441.bf95ede379438723f51cc47b@jasonhsu.com>
Message-ID: <20110916101620.7e94b12eef71e14a897ecd02@jasonhsu.com>

Thanks for the suggestions, and more are welcome.

One thing I should note is that the ISO files themselves are on SourceForge, which can handle the high bandwidth needed.  That said, the rest of the web site still uses space and bandwidth (albeit MUCH less).  On the busiest day in August (just after I released version 0.1.2), the site used around 94 MB of bandwidth.  Rounding up to 100 MB and multiplying by 30 is how I came up with the 3 GB/month figure.  3 GB/month should be plenty for now, but if Swift Linux is as successful as I like it to be, I'll need more bandwidth.

For now, I have no plans to go back to hosting those ISO files on my web site.  SourceForge is working fine, is free, and even automatically provides the md5sum value.

Also, I am looking for developers.

-- 
Jason Hsu
Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux (http://www.swiftlinux.org)

From shaneisageek at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 10:42:51 2011
From: shaneisageek at gmail.com (Shane Lambert)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:42:51 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a new Swift Linux web host
In-Reply-To: <20110916101620.7e94b12eef71e14a897ecd02@jasonhsu.com>
References: <20110916013441.bf95ede379438723f51cc47b@jasonhsu.com>
	<20110916101620.7e94b12eef71e14a897ecd02@jasonhsu.com>
Message-ID: <4E736E7B.2040700@gmail.com>

Well, 3Gb per month is nothing for bandwidth. I use Hostgator for all of 
my sites, and run about 11 to 12gb monthly with no issues.

On 09/16/2011 10:16 AM, Jason Hsu wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestions, and more are welcome.
>
> One thing I should note is that the ISO files themselves are on SourceForge, which can handle the high bandwidth needed.  That said, the rest of the web site still uses space and bandwidth (albeit MUCH less).  On the busiest day in August (just after I released version 0.1.2), the site used around 94 MB of bandwidth.  Rounding up to 100 MB and multiplying by 30 is how I came up with the 3 GB/month figure.  3 GB/month should be plenty for now, but if Swift Linux is as successful as I like it to be, I'll need more bandwidth.
>
> For now, I have no plans to go back to hosting those ISO files on my web site.  SourceForge is working fine, is free, and even automatically provides the md5sum value.
>
> Also, I am looking for developers.
>

From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 15:23:54 2011
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:23:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] (OT) lend Canon camera battery charger?
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1109161514290.14600@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

Sorry for the OT message.  I live at E Lake and 41st Ave S and am hoping 
to find someone nearby who can let me borrow a Canon camera battery 
charger for a few hours.  This is the one I need:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0015DPJCA

My camera is a PowerShot S95, but the same charger may work with other 
cameras.

The thing is, someone stole my charger (along with an older camera and a 
lot of other items from my home).  I have a charger on order from 
Amazon.com, but it looks like it will arrive Monday and my daughter's 4th 
birthday party is on Sunday at 5pm.  So if I can charge my battery somehow 
between now and then, I'll be able to take some photos with my camera.

Thanks in advance and sorry for the interruption.

Best,
Mike

From brian.ropers.huilman at gmail.com  Fri Sep 16 15:31:23 2011
From: brian.ropers.huilman at gmail.com (Brian D. Ropers-Huilman)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:31:23 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list]  (OT) lend Canon camera battery charger?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1109161514290.14600@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1109161514290.14600@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <CAEsyLJHeHt-pAq3cxm0-8N8AQFB+rx3Dcpqys6ayGKpGBHEBDw@mail.gmail.com>

Mike, I have a Canon PowerShot SD750 and, while my charger looks different,
the battery slot looks to be the same size. I'm in Saint Paul, but only a
about a mile south of Marshall and a mile east of the river. Perhaps we
could meet half-way at the Longfellow grill?

-- 
Brian D. Ropers-Huilman
612.234.7778 (m)
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From brian at ropers-huilman.net  Fri Sep 16 15:47:17 2011
From: brian at ropers-huilman.net (Brian D. Ropers-Huilman)
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:47:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] (OT) lend Canon camera battery charger?
In-Reply-To: <CAEsyLJHeHt-pAq3cxm0-8N8AQFB+rx3Dcpqys6ayGKpGBHEBDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1109161514290.14600@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
	<CAEsyLJHeHt-pAq3cxm0-8N8AQFB+rx3Dcpqys6ayGKpGBHEBDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEsyLJHPnso2hqdSNQvXEJ-RsUrBPXu0ceOgjzDt3EmMy9DhPg@mail.gmail.com>

<sigh>

That's what I get for mixing mail accounts ... my original bounced
since it was sent from the wrong address ...

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 15:31, Brian D. Ropers-Huilman
<brian.ropers.huilman at gmail.com> wrote:
> Mike, I have a Canon PowerShot SD750 and, while my charger looks different,
> the battery slot looks to be the same size. I'm in Saint Paul, but only a
> about a mile south of Marshall and a mile east of the river. Perhaps we
> could meet half-way at the Longfellow grill?

-- 
Brian D. Ropers-Huilman
612.234.7778 (m)

From kc0iog at gmail.com  Sat Sep 17 06:52:56 2011
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 06:52:56 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a new Swift Linux web host
In-Reply-To: <20110916013441.bf95ede379438723f51cc47b@jasonhsu.com>
References: <20110916013441.bf95ede379438723f51cc47b@jasonhsu.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3QoPmOzJMgwt5ZLh-g+=8XWmAMCdn1tR-et5=-xqnup_sCMA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 1:34 AM, Jason Hsu <jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com> wrote:
> My Swift Linux web site is up for renewal in early November. ?My current web host is Fatcow, which offered me a $44 special for one year but will now charge me $88/year.

Jason,

I've been doing some searching for managed web hosting with Drupal
support.  $88/year is a GREAT price.  There are many providers out
there for $5/mo ($60/yr) that don't come close to offering what you're
looking for.  If you're happy with them and $88/yr is their "regular"
price, I'd stay with them.

Brian

From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 17 15:21:57 2011
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 15:21:57 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a new Swift Linux web host
Message-ID: <CABWFOjtUpap=v9apm4bGfqN_CrWUWuNthSjg7LbqS7HpK2t1cQ@mail.gmail.com>

 Jason Hsu:
> My Swift Linux web site is up for renewal in early November.  My current
web host is Fatcow, which offered me a $44 special for one year but will now
charge me $88/year.
>
> The things I'm looking for are:
> 1.  Support for Drupal
> 2.  A relatively low REGULAR price: I'm not interested in a temporary
special deal, because I do NOT want to change web hosts in the future.

I signed up for Qwest internet service at home for $25/month and got that
for the first six months.  Now that period is ending and am wondering if
I'll be
able to get it for ten dollars more a month or if some of the indications on
the
bill of a higher price is what they'll expect.

I've noticed them advertising a $20/month plan, but in the fine print you
have
to sign up for their long distance plan.  Sigh.

I know this topic comes up from time to time, but haven't seen it recently.

Any recommendations?  Tia.

-- 
Brian Wood
Ebenezer Enterprises
http://webEbenezer.net
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From shanson at cruiskeenconsulting.com  Sat Sep 17 08:41:07 2011
From: shanson at cruiskeenconsulting.com (Steve Hanson)
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 08:41:07 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a new Swift Linux web host
In-Reply-To: <20110916013441.bf95ede379438723f51cc47b@jasonhsu.com>
References: <20110916013441.bf95ede379438723f51cc47b@jasonhsu.com>
Message-ID: <4E74A373.4030401@cruiskeenconsulting.com>

On 09/16/2011 01:34 AM, Jason Hsu wrote:
> My Swift Linux web site is up for renewal in early November.  My current web host is Fatcow, which offered me a $44 special for one year but will now charge me $88/year.
>
> The things I'm looking for are:
> 1.  Support for Drupal
> 2.  A relatively low REGULAR price: I'm not interested in a temporary special deal, because I do NOT want to change web hosts in the future.
> 3.  Support for 3 GB/month bandwidth initially but with additional plans supporting more bandwidth  (I now know better than to believe in "unlimited" bandwidth.)
>
I'd be glad to talk to you about that.  I run a small hosting company in 
Eau Claire, WI, primarily supporting Drupal sites.  5% of hosting fees 
on Drupal sites goes to the Drupal Association.

http://cruiskeenconsulting.com/drupal  --- though I'm probably going to 
be as expensive as your FatCow plan -

From takyoji at gmail.com  Tue Sep 20 00:58:52 2011
From: takyoji at gmail.com (takyoji at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 05:58:52 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Random Linux Poll
Message-ID: <001636c923ebe2f7f704ad58521d@google.com>

I've invited you to fill out the form Random Linux Poll. To fill it out,  
visit:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dHV5N19XOGFDbFozNkhiUWVhNy1IV0E6MQ


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From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Tue Sep 20 02:27:47 2011
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 02:27:47 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Current web security threats @ Penguins Unbound
 Meeting September 24th
Message-ID: <4E784073.4030203@Goecke-Dolan.com>


This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be
Saturday September 24th at TIES,
1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108
from 10:00am to 12:00pm
(See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more
info.)

This month at the Penguins Unbound Meeting

Current web security threats
presented Rich Graves

Rich will discuss a variety of topics: malvertising, client 
browser/plugin attacks, large-scale phishing, with specific examples of 
Linux used as attacker, defender, and victim.

Rich gave a great talk at minnebar this year about web security. He had 
a lot of good info on how attacks work and how to keep safe.  I look 
forward to hearing him talk again.

Thanks.

Hope to see you there.

==>brian.

*** STREAMING ***
If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting.
mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800

You should be able to connect with either:
mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800
or
vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800

From samael.anon at gmail.com  Tue Sep 20 10:07:44 2011
From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 10:07:44 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] (OT) lend Canon camera battery charger?
In-Reply-To: <CAEsyLJHPnso2hqdSNQvXEJ-RsUrBPXu0ceOgjzDt3EmMy9DhPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1109161514290.14600@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
	<CAEsyLJHeHt-pAq3cxm0-8N8AQFB+rx3Dcpqys6ayGKpGBHEBDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEsyLJHPnso2hqdSNQvXEJ-RsUrBPXu0ceOgjzDt3EmMy9DhPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKJ_APr4XhH-5gSBcgokAa6dcVNONpxM1yMUWBqKWCLQBU6ahw@mail.gmail.com>

i may have a charger that works too, and a remote.

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Brian D. Ropers-Huilman <
brian at ropers-huilman.net> wrote:

> <sigh>
>
> That's what I get for mixing mail accounts ... my original bounced
> since it was sent from the wrong address ...
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 15:31, Brian D. Ropers-Huilman
> <brian.ropers.huilman at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Mike, I have a Canon PowerShot SD750 and, while my charger looks
> different,
> > the battery slot looks to be the same size. I'm in Saint Paul, but only a
> > about a mile south of Marshall and a mile east of the river. Perhaps we
> > could meet half-way at the Longfellow grill?
>
> --
> Brian D. Ropers-Huilman
> 612.234.7778 (m)
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From josh at trutwins.homeip.net  Tue Sep 20 22:44:37 2011
From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (Josh Trutwin)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 22:44:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for a new Swift Linux web host
In-Reply-To: <20110916101620.7e94b12eef71e14a897ecd02@jasonhsu.com>
References: <20110916013441.bf95ede379438723f51cc47b@jasonhsu.com>
	<20110916101620.7e94b12eef71e14a897ecd02@jasonhsu.com>
Message-ID: <20110920224437.122b45c2@prokofiev.trutwins.homeip.net>

On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 10:16:20 -0500
Jason Hsu <jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the suggestions, and more are welcome.
> 
> One thing I should note is that the ISO files themselves are on
> SourceForge, which can handle the high bandwidth needed.  That
> said, the rest of the web site still uses space and bandwidth
> (albeit MUCH less).  On the busiest day in August (just after I
> released version 0.1.2), the site used around 94 MB of bandwidth.
> Rounding up to 100 MB and multiplying by 30 is how I came up with
> the 3 GB/month figure.  3 GB/month should be plenty for now, but if
> Swift Linux is as successful as I like it to be, I'll need more
> bandwidth.
> 
> For now, I have no plans to go back to hosting those ISO files on
> my web site.  SourceForge is working fine, is free, and even
> automatically provides the md5sum value.
> 
> Also, I am looking for developers.


I do some hosting but probably not what you're looking for - what are
you looking for in way of development?

Josh

From jolexa at jolexa.net  Tue Sep 20 23:41:12 2011
From: jolexa at jolexa.net (Jeremy Olexa)
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 23:41:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Current web security threats @ Penguins Unbound
 Meeting September 24th
In-Reply-To: <4E784073.4030203@Goecke-Dolan.com>
References: <4E784073.4030203@Goecke-Dolan.com>
Message-ID: <4E796AE8.9020802@jolexa.net>

On 09/20/2011 02:27 AM, Brian Dolan-Goecke wrote:

> Saturday September 24th at TIES,

Hey Brian, do you ever have meetings on days other than Saturdays? I'd 
love to make it sometime.
-Jeremy

From marc at e-skinner.net  Wed Sep 21 06:47:29 2011
From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 06:47:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] DOCIS 3.0 modems
Message-ID: <4E79CED1.5080806@e-skinner.net>

I'm moving this next week, and am looking for a new cable modem - docis 
3.0.

Any recommendations out there for solid cable modems.

I currenlty have the Linksys cm100 - docsis 2.0 and it has been rock 
solid for 3 years after my Motorola Surfboard 5100 died after only 2 
years for no reason.

I'm looking at 
http://www.staples.com/Motorola-SB6120-SURFboard-DOCSIS-3.0-eXtreme-Broadband-Cable-Modem/product_805588

Thanks for all the feedback in advance!

From erikerik at gmail.com  Wed Sep 21 08:04:15 2011
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 08:04:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] DOCIS 3.0 modems
In-Reply-To: <4E79CED1.5080806@e-skinner.net>
References: <4E79CED1.5080806@e-skinner.net>
Message-ID: <CADdM08qQgmNj-QHBcEY4FPucK74iaQMcOtRQVdKfK8qXZtuHvQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:47 AM, Marc Skinner <marc at e-skinner.net> wrote:
> I'm moving this next week, and am looking for a new cable modem - docis 3.0.
>
> Any recommendations out there for solid cable modems.

I have the Zoom DOCSIS 3.0 modem:

http://www.amazon.com/Zoom-Telephonics-Docsis-Modem-5341-02-00H/dp/B00539LDWW/

It's been working with Comcast's (or Xfinity, whatever) service
perfectly for about 6 months now. The only item worth noting is that
upon initial connection and power up, it went through somewhere
between 7 and 10 reboot cycles (?!?!) as it got new firmware and
configs from Comcast. The Comcast tech that was here doing the install
was somewhat confused and starting to get concerned that it was taking
so long. Once that process finished, though, I haven't had to touch
it.

-Erik

From adam.morris at redstargaming.net  Wed Sep 21 12:10:22 2011
From: adam.morris at redstargaming.net (Adam Morris)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 12:10:22 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] DOCIS 3.0 modems
Message-ID: <xnukpjx37umvyu3h01401dmf.1316624959803@email.android.com>

I've got the same Motorola.  So far its been a solid modem, so I'd recommend that.

-A

Marc Skinner <marc at e-skinner.net> wrote:

>I'm moving this next week, and am looking for a new cable modem - docis 
>3.0.
>
>Any recommendations out there for solid cable modems.
>
>I currenlty have the Linksys cm100 - docsis 2.0 and it has been rock 
>solid for 3 years after my Motorola Surfboard 5100 died after only 2 
>years for no reason.
>
>I'm looking at 
>http://www.staples.com/Motorola-SB6120-SURFboard-DOCSIS-3.0-eXtreme-Broadband-Cable-Modem/product_805588
>
>Thanks for all the feedback in advance!
>_______________________________________________
>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From cncole at earthlink.net  Wed Sep 21 15:33:03 2011
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:33:03 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] DOCIS 3.0 modems
In-Reply-To: <xnukpjx37umvyu3h01401dmf.1316624959803@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <KBELLBDJKGDCAHIDFNLLEEHKDGAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Adam Morris
> 
> I've got the same Motorola.  So far its been a solid modem, so I'd recommend that.
> 
> -A

When are there benefits from DOCSIS 3.0 that might justify upgrade from a DOCSIS 2.0 model ?   

Chuck

> 
> Marc Skinner <marc at e-skinner.net> wrote:
> 
> >I'm moving this next week, and am looking for a new cable modem - docis 
> >3.0.
> >
> >Any recommendations out there for solid cable modems.
> >
> >I currenlty have the Linksys cm100 - docsis 2.0 and it has been rock 
> >solid for 3 years after my Motorola Surfboard 5100 died after only 2 
> >years for no reason.
> >
> >I'm looking at 
> >http://www.staples.com/Motorola-SB6120-SURFboard-DOCSIS-3.0-eXtreme-Broadband-Cable-Modem/product_805588
> >
> >Thanks for all the feedback in advance!
> >_______________________________________________


From adam.morris at redstargaming.net  Wed Sep 21 15:49:42 2011
From: adam.morris at redstargaming.net (Adam Morris)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:49:42 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] DOCIS 3.0 modems
Message-ID: <o5uhx9ul2s9o3w7fnjp4txpj.1316638182193@email.android.com>

The ability to be provisioned for higher speeds than 40mbps.  Other than that I don't know of any benefits, but I'm not an expert on cable networks.
-A

Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
>> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Adam Morris
>> 
>> I've got the same Motorola.  So far its been a solid modem, so I'd recommend that.
>> 
>> -A
>
>When are there benefits from DOCSIS 3.0 that might justify upgrade from a DOCSIS 2.0 model ?   
>
>Chuck
>
>> 
>> Marc Skinner <marc at e-skinner.net> wrote:
>> 
>> >I'm moving this next week, and am looking for a new cable modem - docis 
>> >3.0.
>> >
>> >Any recommendations out there for solid cable modems.
>> >
>> >I currenlty have the Linksys cm100 - docsis 2.0 and it has been rock 
>> >solid for 3 years after my Motorola Surfboard 5100 died after only 2 
>> >years for no reason.
>> >
>> >I'm looking at 
>> >http://www.staples.com/Motorola-SB6120-SURFboard-DOCSIS-3.0-eXtreme-Broadband-Cable-Modem/product_805588
>> >
>> >Thanks for all the feedback in advance!
>> >_______________________________________________
>
>_______________________________________________
>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From erikerik at gmail.com  Wed Sep 21 16:05:57 2011
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 16:05:57 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] DOCIS 3.0 modems
In-Reply-To: <o5uhx9ul2s9o3w7fnjp4txpj.1316638182193@email.android.com>
References: <o5uhx9ul2s9o3w7fnjp4txpj.1316638182193@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <CADdM08qaXziZJZV=3LBh=ZK+QOgCmbX2XDZ4LzQbWMBtCVa7NA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Adam Morris
<adam.morris at redstargaming.net> wrote:
> The ability to be provisioned for higher speeds than 40mbps.

A few other enhancements over 2.0:
- management via IPv6
- the ability to have multiple (up to 8 I believe) upstream and
downstream channels simultaneously
- additional modulation and encoding modes available

-Erik

From cncole at earthlink.net  Wed Sep 21 16:25:43 2011
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 16:25:43 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] DOCIS 3.0 modems
In-Reply-To: <CADdM08qaXziZJZV=3LBh=ZK+QOgCmbX2XDZ4LzQbWMBtCVa7NA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <KBELLBDJKGDCAHIDFNLLMEHKDGAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Erik Anderson
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Adam Morris
> <adam.morris at redstargaming.net> wrote:
> > The ability to be provisioned for higher speeds than 40mbps.
>
> A few other enhancements over 2.0:
> - management via IPv6
> - the ability to have multiple (up to 8 I believe) upstream and
> downstream channels simultaneously
> - additional modulation and encoding modes available
>
> -Erik

My service is under 20mbps, so the speed headroom seems unusable for me.

Can use of extra features be commanded for some or all apps?

When can we tell when actual applications might make use of the extra features?   I guess this breaks into:
1) when is it clear that a server provides/supports extra feature?
2) Can we be assured that an ISP is transparent or supporting to the extra features?
3) When do apps actually use and/or benefit from the extra features/

I think many ISPs would not provide or support the extra features without a special subscription.  Standard services seem to be
limited.


Chuck


From erikerik at gmail.com  Wed Sep 21 16:34:52 2011
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 16:34:52 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] DOCIS 3.0 modems
In-Reply-To: <KBELLBDJKGDCAHIDFNLLMEHKDGAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
References: <CADdM08qaXziZJZV=3LBh=ZK+QOgCmbX2XDZ4LzQbWMBtCVa7NA@mail.gmail.com>
	<KBELLBDJKGDCAHIDFNLLMEHKDGAA.cncole@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CADdM08rTwmx=G7E8scGHQriE3+rPxA=a=8Lq0+59d4=WtmMTvA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:
> When can we tell when actual applications might make use of the extra features?

You can't. Bottom line is that the ISPs CMTS not only needs to support
DOCSIS v3, but they also have to have it turned on for your account.
Even though I do not have Comcast's v3 service at the moment, I
purchased a v3-capable modem so that was somewhat future-proofed in
the event I have them upgrade my account to one of their high-speed v3
plans.


-- 
Erik Anderson
http://andersonfam.org

From cncole at earthlink.net  Wed Sep 21 17:42:14 2011
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 17:42:14 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] DOCIS 3.0 modems
In-Reply-To: <CADdM08rTwmx=G7E8scGHQriE3+rPxA=a=8Lq0+59d4=WtmMTvA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <KBELLBDJKGDCAHIDFNLLCEHLDGAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Erik Anderson
> 
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > When can we tell when actual applications might make use of the extra features?
> 
> You can't. Bottom line is that the ISPs CMTS not only needs to support
> DOCSIS v3, but they also have to have it turned on for your account.
> Even though I do not have Comcast's v3 service at the moment, I
> purchased a v3-capable modem so that was somewhat future-proofed in
> the event I have them upgrade my account to one of their high-speed v3
> plans.
> 

Thanks..

Based on my experience with Charter (my only option), that means the features MIGHT be available to me in a decade or so...


Chuck

From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Fri Sep 23 00:26:15 2011
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 00:26:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ** Saturday ** Current web security threats @ Penguins
 Unbound Meeting September 24th
Message-ID: <4E7C1877.4030401@Goecke-Dolan.com>

This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be
Saturday September 24th at TIES,
1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108
from 10:00am to 12:00pm
(See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more
info.)

This month at the Penguins Unbound Meeting

Current web security threats
presented Rich Graves

Rich will discuss a variety of topics: malvertising, client 
browser/plugin attacks, large-scale phishing, with specific examples of 
Linux used as attacker, defender, and victim.

Rich gave a great talk at minnebar this year about web security. He had 
a lot of good info on how attacks work and how to keep safe.  I look 
forward to hearing him talk again.

Thanks.

Hope to see you there.

==>brian.

*** STREAMING ***
If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting.
mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800

You should be able to connect with either:
mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800
or
vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800

From briandg at Goecke-Dolan.com  Wed Sep 21 15:29:05 2011
From: briandg at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke)
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 15:29:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Current web security threats @ Penguins Unbound
 Meeting September 24th
In-Reply-To: <4E796AE8.9020802@jolexa.net>
References: <4E784073.4030203@Goecke-Dolan.com> <4E796AE8.9020802@jolexa.net>
Message-ID: <4E7A4911.3060503@Goecke-Dolan.com>

Jeremy,

I would love for you to be able to attend a meeting, but I am sorry to 
say that I don't have p for meetings other than Saturday.  I have a wife 
and kids (and a sysadmin job) so my evening are usually spent with one 
of those. So Saturday work out best for me.

I am very sorry about that.

If there was an opportunity to have a evening when would work for you ?

How about a "beer" meeting ?

==>brian.

On 09/20/2011 11:41 PM, Jeremy Olexa wrote:
> On 09/20/2011 02:27 AM, Brian Dolan-Goecke wrote:
>
>> Saturday September 24th at TIES,
>
> Hey Brian, do you ever have meetings on days other than Saturdays? I'd
> love to make it sometime.
> -Jeremy
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From rob at flyspy.com  Fri Sep 23 09:31:01 2011
From: rob at flyspy.com (rob at flyspy.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 09:31:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Cable modem for sale (new)
Message-ID: <a22bf968c821cd4621dc01ca3f39c9c9.squirrel@oldwebmail.iphouse.com>

I bought a Zoom DOCSIS 3.0 cable modem model 5341-02-03H to use with Comcast.

It was used for 3 days until Comcast provided me with an integrated
modem/VoIP unit. I wish they had told me that upfront.

I paid $90 at Micro Center. It's for sale for $50. I live in Highland Park
in St. Paul.

Thanks.


From mark.katerberg at gmail.com  Fri Sep 23 16:54:59 2011
From: mark.katerberg at gmail.com (Mark Katerberg)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 16:54:59 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Current web security threats @ Penguins Unbound
 Meeting September 24th
In-Reply-To: <4E7A4911.3060503@Goecke-Dolan.com>
References: <4E784073.4030203@Goecke-Dolan.com> <4E796AE8.9020802@jolexa.net>
	<4E7A4911.3060503@Goecke-Dolan.com>
Message-ID: <CAA6U0N0YixEv-S9YOCuq6V__HM8iAcm0Nus5LcqYSVg9e3y91A@mail.gmail.com>

My saturdays have also been crazy busy as will tomorrow. I'd be very
interested in an evening meeting sometime.

On 21 September 2011 15:29, Brian Dolan-Goecke <briandg at goecke-dolan.com> wrote:
> Jeremy,
>
> I would love for you to be able to attend a meeting, but I am sorry to say
> that I don't have p for meetings other than Saturday. ?I have a wife and
> kids (and a sysadmin job) so my evening are usually spent with one of those.
> So Saturday work out best for me.
>
> I am very sorry about that.
>
> If there was an opportunity to have a evening when would work for you ?
>
> How about a "beer" meeting ?
>
> ==>brian.
>
> On 09/20/2011 11:41 PM, Jeremy Olexa wrote:
>>
>> On 09/20/2011 02:27 AM, Brian Dolan-Goecke wrote:
>>
>>> Saturday September 24th at TIES,
>>
>> Hey Brian, do you ever have meetings on days other than Saturdays? I'd
>> love to make it sometime.
>> -Jeremy
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



-- 
Mark Katerberg

From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com  Fri Sep 23 18:53:48 2011
From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu)
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 18:53:48 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] FREE desktop computer
Message-ID: <20110923185348.900330f7.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>

I have a computer to give away - a 10-year-old IBM NetVista desktop.  This computer has a 20 GB hard drive, 256 MB of RAM, a 1.0 GHz processor, a CD-ROM drive, a drive for 3.5" floppy disks, and TWO Ethernet cards.  In other words, this is a GREAT computer for running a server or firewall.  And it has plenty of speed to run TinyCore Linux, Damn Small Linux, SliTaz, Puppy Linux, antiX Linux, and Swift Linux.

As an added bonus, I'm adding some 3.5" disk holders WITH holes so that you can store your floppy disks in a binder.

This is a SMART computer for your kids.  It's too slow for playing the latest games or even watching Youtube videos, which means they'll give up on these frills and actually do their homework.

I will bring this computer to tomorrow's meeting.

-- 
Jason Hsu
Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux http://www.swiftlinux.org

From brockn at gmail.com  Sat Sep 24 13:07:50 2011
From: brockn at gmail.com (Brock Noland)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 13:07:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Hadoop Talk by Dave Carlson with Free Pizza, Soda,
	and Giveaways
In-Reply-To: <CAHCAor4BF6+4uS+WF45O5ZK_1q-jHdHaQu3+rC2+jKO+AFkcPQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHCAor4BF6+4uS+WF45O5ZK_1q-jHdHaQu3+rC2+jKO+AFkcPQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHCAor7F7g7u6V-Ty-R4Sbehjbujc3qRMndqtt_8W-QmXVwgJQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Dave Carlson of Thomson Reuters will be talking about how they use
Hadoop internally.

http://www.meetup.com/Twin-Cities-Hadoop-User-Group/events/33790952/

The Nerdery is graciously providing the venue, pizza, and soda!
Cloudera is providing ?gifts to be given away at the end of the session!

Hope to see you there!
Brock Noland

From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com  Sat Sep 24 18:49:35 2011
From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 18:49:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Funny story about a Linux user with no Windows
	experience
Message-ID: <20110924184935.98044982.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>

http://www.silug.org/lists/silug-discuss/200508/msg00002.html

Some highlights:
1.  Just tell me where the heck is my home directory?!"
   What do you mean you don't know what a home directory is?
   It's the home directory!  What do you mean I don't have one?
   An 'I' drive?  Is that what Windows calls your home directory,
   the 'I' as in 'me, myself and I' drive?
2.    "Okay forget that, just get me to a shell.
   What do you mean you don't know what a shell is?
   A shell!  A command prompt ...
   A DOS prompt?  I thought this was Windows?"
3.  Why is it referring to me as C:\?

-- 
Jason Hsu
Founder and lead developer of Swift Linux http://www.swiftlinux.org

From gm5729 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 25 12:16:29 2011
From: gm5729 at gmail.com (gk)
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 12:16:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Request for computer assistance
Message-ID: <1316970992.1929.4.camel@localhost>

I have a friend that lives up in North Mnpls. She has been running linux
on the box I set up for her a few yrs ago. Her printer died recently and
she does not understand computerese. 

With that install being done about 2-3 years ago I am going to be a dime
to a dozen that the Debian install will force update too. I can't do
this from 1200 miles away. 

I'm asking if anyone from the LUG can printer install and if needed the
updates that haven't been done.  Please email off list.

-- 
--
gk
http://gm5729.blogspot.com

Please conserve natural resources and print out this email if absolutely
necessary. If you need a copy save as a PDF/DJVU format on your
computer.
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From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Tue Sep 27 07:55:32 2011
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 07:55:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Funny story about a Linux user with no Windows
 experience
In-Reply-To: <20110924184935.98044982.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
References: <20110924184935.98044982.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1109270751431.686@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

On Sat, 24 Sep 2011, Jason Hsu wrote:

> http://www.silug.org/lists/silug-discuss/200508/msg00002.html
>
> Some highlights:
> 1.  Just tell me where the heck is my home directory?!"
>   What do you mean you don't know what a home directory is?
>   It's the home directory!  What do you mean I don't have one?
>   An 'I' drive?  Is that what Windows calls your home directory,
>   the 'I' as in 'me, myself and I' drive?
> 2.    "Okay forget that, just get me to a shell.
>   What do you mean you don't know what a shell is?
>   A shell!  A command prompt ...
>   A DOS prompt?  I thought this was Windows?"
> 3.  Why is it referring to me as C:\?


Then from C:\ you go to "Documents and Settings", but remember that there 
are spaces in the directory name.  That's kinda like /home.  In that 
directory you will see a subdirectory with the same name as your username, 
probably, but it might have been changed.  Go to that directory.  Now 
inside of a directory called "My Documents" you'll find most of your 
stuff.

Yes, it's completely crazy.

Mike

From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Tue Sep 27 08:25:39 2011
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 08:25:39 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux to Windows file server migration - ouch!
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1109270757250.686@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

The group I work in at the U has a bunch of Windows users who need to 
access data on a file server.  We were using a Linux file server for 
awhile, but then I received a very disappointing announcement: "The Linux 
to Windows server migration will occur tomorrow evening (9/8) at 
6:30.?Everyone should be logged off their computers by then."

I was very surprised by that.  It's the first time I've seen anyone go 
backward from Linux to Windows on a server.  There are a lot of reasons 
why it is a bad idea for us, but there is one good reason why they were 
doing it: speed.  There had been a lot of complaints about how slow the 
Linux system was in serving files to the Windows desktop clients.

An IT group leader said that because CIFS (what used to be SMB) is 
proprietary and the Samba people have to reverse-engineer it, they can't 
squeeze everything out of it that a native Windows system can, or 
something to that effect. One of our guys ran some tests and showed that 
the Windows file server is clearly faster.

I wonder what happened.  It doesn't seem like so many years ago that speed 
tests comparing a Linux file server (running samba) to a Windows file 
server showed that Linux was a lot faster.  Of course, Microsoft wouldn't 
have liked that and maybe they were able to mess something up on the 
client end in later versions of Windows.

It seems like the problem is especially bad for SPSS users on Windows 
connecting to data files on the server.

This must be a very common problem.  Have any of you run into it?  Do you 
have a fix for it?

I found this:

http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/windows-client-cifs-behavior-can-slow-linux-nas-performance/

Maybe that was our problem.  I'll have to see what the filesystem was. 
If switching to XFS can fix the problem, maybe we should do that instead 
of returning to Windows server.

I also found this:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/samba-4-now-due-in-2011-smb2-and-smbcifs-protocol-docs-done/6810

Does anyone know what's up with Samba 4?  Is it being used now?  Maybe 
that would be a better option than the CIFS we've been trying to run.

Mike

From j at packetgod.com  Tue Sep 27 09:27:42 2011
From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 09:27:42 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Funny story about a Linux user with no Windows
	experience
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1109270751431.686@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <20110924184935.98044982.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1109270751431.686@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <CADr-735+M4uxUfti-U=2wWrW8AXEwUu8azdcac0xiZ0=kZL0Rg@mail.gmail.com>

Every OS sucks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d85p7JZXNy8

Still somewhat relevant...

--j (an eletist nerdy schmuck)

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011, Jason Hsu wrote:
>
>> http://www.silug.org/lists/silug-discuss/200508/msg00002.html
>>
>> Some highlights:
>> 1. ?Just tell me where the heck is my home directory?!"
>> ?What do you mean you don't know what a home directory is?
>> ?It's the home directory! ?What do you mean I don't have one?
>> ?An 'I' drive? ?Is that what Windows calls your home directory,
>> ?the 'I' as in 'me, myself and I' drive?
>> 2. ? ?"Okay forget that, just get me to a shell.
>> ?What do you mean you don't know what a shell is?
>> ?A shell! ?A command prompt ...
>> ?A DOS prompt? ?I thought this was Windows?"
>> 3. ?Why is it referring to me as C:\?
>
>
> Then from C:\ you go to "Documents and Settings", but remember that there
> are spaces in the directory name. ?That's kinda like /home. ?In that
> directory you will see a subdirectory with the same name as your username,
> probably, but it might have been changed. ?Go to that directory. ?Now inside
> of a directory called "My Documents" you'll find most of your stuff.
>
> Yes, it's completely crazy.
>
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From ryanjcole at me.com  Tue Sep 27 09:29:58 2011
From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 09:29:58 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Funny story about a Linux user with no Windows
 experience
In-Reply-To: <CADr-735+M4uxUfti-U=2wWrW8AXEwUu8azdcac0xiZ0=kZL0Rg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20110924184935.98044982.jhsu802701@jasonhsu.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1109270751431.686@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
	<CADr-735+M4uxUfti-U=2wWrW8AXEwUu8azdcac0xiZ0=kZL0Rg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <715C5A59-A3DB-4F61-86F4-F1682B17E1C4@me.com>

Developers.
Developers.
Developers.
Developers.
Developers.
Developers.
Developers.
Developers.
Developers.
Developers.
Developers.
Developers.
Developers.

Developers.
Developers.
Developers.
Developers.
Developers.
Developers.
Developers.
Developers.
Developers.
Developers.
Developers.

:)

On Sep 27, 2011, at 9:27 AM, J Cruit wrote:

> Every OS sucks
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d85p7JZXNy8
> 
> Still somewhat relevant...
> 
> --j (an eletist nerdy schmuck)
> 
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011, Jason Hsu wrote:
>> 
>>> http://www.silug.org/lists/silug-discuss/200508/msg00002.html
>>> 
>>> Some highlights:
>>> 1.  Just tell me where the heck is my home directory?!"
>>>  What do you mean you don't know what a home directory is?
>>>  It's the home directory!  What do you mean I don't have one?
>>>  An 'I' drive?  Is that what Windows calls your home directory,
>>>  the 'I' as in 'me, myself and I' drive?
>>> 2.    "Okay forget that, just get me to a shell.
>>>  What do you mean you don't know what a shell is?
>>>  A shell!  A command prompt ...
>>>  A DOS prompt?  I thought this was Windows?"
>>> 3.  Why is it referring to me as C:\?
>> 
>> 
>> Then from C:\ you go to "Documents and Settings", but remember that there
>> are spaces in the directory name.  That's kinda like /home.  In that
>> directory you will see a subdirectory with the same name as your username,
>> probably, but it might have been changed.  Go to that directory.  Now inside
>> of a directory called "My Documents" you'll find most of your stuff.
>> 
>> Yes, it's completely crazy.
>> 
>> Mike
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From andyzib at gmail.com  Tue Sep 27 11:27:50 2011
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 11:27:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux to Windows file server migration - ouch!
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1109270757250.686@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1109270757250.686@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <CAMh5oVrNaBczkqbD+dq4O1myi=3D0qig2M_kbgi9AVYfTa0Hqg@mail.gmail.com>

If Samba is doing AD integrated authentication to a domain controller
that isn't on your local subnet this can also cause Samba to be
dreadfully slow, even with full Kerberos authentication working on the
Windows client and Linux server. Whatever Windows does differently in
this situation works. Based on how AD was structured when I worked at
the U my guess is this could be the culprit. I was never able to find
a fix other than get a local DC or move to a Windows file server.
Samba on Mac OSX has the same issue.

I don't see it as a step in either direction. A properly administrated
Windows server works as well as a properly administrated Linux server.

-- 
Andrew S. Zbikowski | http://andy.zibnet.us
IT Outhouse Blog Thing | http://www.itouthouse.com

From florin at iucha.net  Tue Sep 27 12:15:40 2011
From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 12:15:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux to Windows file server migration - ouch!
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1109270757250.686@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1109270757250.686@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20110927171538.GF16653@styx.iucha.org>

Mike,

Do you know if they are installing Windows on the same hardware or are
they just getting a current generation server and storage subsystem to
replace an older Linux server?

Cheers,
florin

-- 
Don't question authority!  They don't know either.
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From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Tue Sep 27 14:08:55 2011
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:08:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux to Windows file server migration - ouch!
In-Reply-To: <CAMh5oVrNaBczkqbD+dq4O1myi=3D0qig2M_kbgi9AVYfTa0Hqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1109270757250.686@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
	<CAMh5oVrNaBczkqbD+dq4O1myi=3D0qig2M_kbgi9AVYfTa0Hqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1109271355270.686@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

On Tue, 27 Sep 2011, Andrew S. Zbikowski wrote:

> If Samba is doing AD integrated authentication to a domain controller 
> that isn't on your local subnet this can also cause Samba to be 
> dreadfully slow, even with full Kerberos authentication working on the 
> Windows client and Linux server. Whatever Windows does differently in 
> this situation works. Based on how AD was structured when I worked at 
> the U my guess is this could be the culprit. I was never able to find a 
> fix other than get a local DC or move to a Windows file server. Samba on 
> Mac OSX has the same issue.

Thanks for that idea.  I'll see what I can find out.


> I don't see it as a step in either direction. A properly administrated 
> Windows server works as well as a properly administrated Linux server.

I don't agree.  Linux allows us to do a gazillion things we can't do on 
Windows: ssh, sshfs, grep, awk, perl, etc.  So far we can't get anything 
to work with Windows.  The fake case-insensitivity of the Windows file 
system also causes problems.

Linux can easily run for a year without a reboot, but I haven't seen a 
Windows box that can do that.

In fact, I can't think of a single reason to prefer a Windows server to a 
Linux server except that it seems to be faster at serving files to a 
Windows client.  What I want to do is fix that on the Linux server.

Mike

From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Tue Sep 27 14:09:33 2011
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:09:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux to Windows file server migration - ouch!
In-Reply-To: <20110927171538.GF16653@styx.iucha.org>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1109270757250.686@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
	<20110927171538.GF16653@styx.iucha.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1109271409030.686@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

On Tue, 27 Sep 2011, Florin Iucha wrote:

> Do you know if they are installing Windows on the same hardware or are 
> they just getting a current generation server and storage subsystem to 
> replace an older Linux server?


I'll get the details on that, but I think the hardware isn't the issue.

Mike

From jus at krytosvirus.com  Tue Sep 27 16:36:35 2011
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 21:36:35 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux to Windows file server migration - ouch!
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1109271355270.686@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1109270757250.686@taxa.psych.umn.edu><CAMh5oVrNaBczkqbD+dq4O1myi=3D0qig2M_kbgi9AVYfTa0Hqg@mail.gmail.com><alpine.DEB.2.00.1109271355270.686@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <1334899845-1317159401-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-227491913-@b4.c4.bise6.blackberry>

Sorry but you CAN do awk, grep, perl, ssh, etc on windows. Sure much of that may not be included with the base OS install media but all the packages and software I want on a linux system isn't always there either.

I don't know what the status is of the latest features of Samba are but full AD capabilities, group policies, RO-domain controllers, etc are some very useful and sometimes required features that are lacking in Samba/linux

That being said I wish the functionality/spec was opened up by MS but that is not their way of course.



Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com>
Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:08:55 
To: TCLUG Mailing List<tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Linux to Windows file server migration - ouch!

On Tue, 27 Sep 2011, Andrew S. Zbikowski wrote:

> If Samba is doing AD integrated authentication to a domain controller 
> that isn't on your local subnet this can also cause Samba to be 
> dreadfully slow, even with full Kerberos authentication working on the 
> Windows client and Linux server. Whatever Windows does differently in 
> this situation works. Based on how AD was structured when I worked at 
> the U my guess is this could be the culprit. I was never able to find a 
> fix other than get a local DC or move to a Windows file server. Samba on 
> Mac OSX has the same issue.

Thanks for that idea.  I'll see what I can find out.


> I don't see it as a step in either direction. A properly administrated 
> Windows server works as well as a properly administrated Linux server.

I don't agree.  Linux allows us to do a gazillion things we can't do on 
Windows: ssh, sshfs, grep, awk, perl, etc.  So far we can't get anything 
to work with Windows.  The fake case-insensitivity of the Windows file 
system also causes problems.

Linux can easily run for a year without a reboot, but I haven't seen a 
Windows box that can do that.

In fact, I can't think of a single reason to prefer a Windows server to a 
Linux server except that it seems to be faster at serving files to a 
Windows client.  What I want to do is fix that on the Linux server.

Mike
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From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Tue Sep 27 18:15:36 2011
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 18:15:36 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux to Windows file server migration - ouch!
In-Reply-To: <1334899845-1317159401-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-227491913-@b4.c4.bise6.blackberry>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1109270757250.686@taxa.psych.umn.edu><CAMh5oVrNaBczkqbD+dq4O1myi=3D0qig2M_kbgi9AVYfTa0Hqg@mail.gmail.com><alpine.DEB.2.00.1109271355270.686@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
	<1334899845-1317159401-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-227491913-@b4.c4.bise6.blackberry>
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On Tue, 27 Sep 2011, Justin Krejci wrote:

> Sorry but you CAN do awk, grep, perl, ssh, etc on windows. Sure much of 
> that may not be included with the base OS install media but all the 
> packages and software I want on a linux system isn't always there 
> either.

First, are you saying that awk, grep, perl, are is sometimes included in a 
base Windows install?

I'm sure that it is possible sometimes to get the Admin to install such 
things for you.  Right now ours is contemplating whether they will honor 
our request to install CopSSH so that we can use sshfs.  If they allow 
that, then maybe we can persuade them to install those other things for 
us.

I suppose it is possible to create a UNIX/Linux server that doesn't have 
awk, grep, etc., but nobody does that.  So when the file server was a 
Linux machine, all was well -- we had everything we wanted.  Everything 
just worked.  Now with Windows, nothing works.  In fact, despite fairly 
considerable effort, we are not yet able to mount any CIFS directory 
share.


> I don't know what the status is of the latest features of Samba are but 
> full AD capabilities, group policies, RO-domain controllers, etc are 
> some very useful and sometimes required features that are lacking in 
> Samba/linux

Apparently, as I said, the problem was not that Linux was lacking features 
but that it was slow.  That was all.  I really just want to find a way to 
make it faster and not learn how to accept life with Windows.

I was hoping *not* to hear a series of comments essentially saying, "I, 
for one, accept our Microsoft overlords."


> That being said I wish the functionality/spec was opened up by MS but 
> that is not their way of course.

That is one of the reasons I don't want to use MS software.  Did you read 
the link about Samba 4?  That made it sound like they are trying to share 
more details of their specs.

Mike

From gm5729 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 28 17:23:20 2011
From: gm5729 at gmail.com (gk)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:23:20 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Computer Assistance Repost
Message-ID: <1317248603.1966.5.camel@localhost>

Wow! I'm surprised no one responded. I'm going to post this one more
time. I had a good response last time, about 2 years ago for help.

I have a friend that lives up in North West 35 Freeway area. I would say
it is about 10-12 miles North of the LUG meeting location. She has been
running linux on the box I set up for her a few yrs ago. Her printer
died recently and she does not understand computerese.

With that install being done about 2-3 years ago I am going to be a dime
to a dozen that the Debian install will force update too. I can't do
this from 1200 miles away.

I'm asking if anyone from the LUG can printer install and if needed the
updates that haven't been done.  Please email off list.

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From chris at cb1inc.com  Wed Sep 28 17:42:28 2011
From: chris at cb1inc.com (Chris Barber)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:42:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Minnesota JavaScript User Group Meeting Tomorrow 9/29!
Message-ID: <4E83A2D4.8010300@cb1inc.com>

Excuse the spam, wanted to quickly all you JavaScript and web developers 
out there know that there's a new JavaScript user group here in the Twin 
Cities.  We meet the last Thurs of the month and that means tomorrow 
night at 6pm!

Here's the agenda:

6:00: Write Better JavaScript
6:30: food/beverage
7:00: Chris Barber (Dojo Committer, on why Dojo is awesome and what's 
new in 1.7)
7:40: Jason Moon (Front End Arhcitect, Digital River, on the cure to 
jQuery spaghetti code)
8:20: Devin Rhode (Refactr, Creating Browser Extensions in Chrome with 
HTML/CSS/JS)

Everybody is welcome to come.  Bring a friend.  For directions and more 
information, please visit the Minnesota JavaScript User Group website: 
http://javascript.mn/.

Thanks!

-Chris


From cncole at earthlink.net  Wed Sep 28 22:50:06 2011
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 22:50:06 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Current web security threats @ Penguins Unbound
	Meeting September 24th
In-Reply-To: <4E7A4911.3060503@Goecke-Dolan.com>
Message-ID: <KBELLBDJKGDCAHIDFNLLCEIIDGAA.cncole@earthlink.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]On Behalf Of Brian Dolan-Goecke
>
> Jeremy,
>
> I would love for you to be able to attend a meeting, but I am sorry to
> say that I don't have p for meetings other than Saturday.  I have a wife
> and kids (and a sysadmin job) so my evening are usually spent with one
> of those. So Saturday work out best for me.
>
> I am very sorry about that.
>
> If there was an opportunity to have a evening when would work for you ?
>
> How about a "beer" meeting ?
>
> ==>brian.

Saturday is BEST for me, and I greatly appreciate Brian's efforts at hosting these.  The TIES location is GREAT!

Perhaps Penguins Unbound could have a loose or unofficial affiliation with SIGBAP  (Special Interest Group, Beer and Pizza of the
Unix Users Group) which has regular beer and pizza gatherings at interesting pizza locations.


Chuck

>
> On 09/20/2011 11:41 PM, Jeremy Olexa wrote:
> > On 09/20/2011 02:27 AM, Brian Dolan-Goecke wrote:
> >
> >> Saturday September 24th at TIES,
> >
> > Hey Brian, do you ever have meetings on days other than Saturdays? I'd
> > love to make it sometime.
> > -Jeremy


From samael.anon at gmail.com  Thu Sep 29 22:27:29 2011
From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael)
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 22:27:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Computer Assistance Repost
In-Reply-To: <1317248603.1966.5.camel@localhost>
References: <1317248603.1966.5.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <CAKJ_APq2==+Fj+RmRdCLzPYAzYeWSTLr9-20-fDsF9gKZO9Q2w@mail.gmail.com>

just got back in town today.  i can help, may be a few days.

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:23 PM, gk <gm5729 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Wow! I'm surprised no one responded. I'm going to post this one more
> time. I had a good response last time, about 2 years ago for help.
>
> I have a friend that lives up in North West 35 Freeway area. I would say
> it is about 10-12 miles North of the LUG meeting location. She has been
> running linux on the box I set up for her a few yrs ago. Her printer
> died recently and she does not understand computerese.
>
> With that install being done about 2-3 years ago I am going to be a dime
> to a dozen that the Debian install will force update too. I can't do
> this from 1200 miles away.
>
> I'm asking if anyone from the LUG can printer install and if needed the
> updates that haven't been done.  Please email off list.
>
> --
> --
> gk
> http://gm5729.blogspot.com
>
> Please conserve natural resources and print out this email if absolutely
> necessary. If you need a copy save as a PDF/DJVU format on your
> computer.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From gm5729 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 30 03:12:15 2011
From: gm5729 at gmail.com (gk)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 03:12:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Please check your emails if you posted about helping
	computer wise.
Message-ID: <1317370337.46861.0.camel@localhost>


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From gm5729 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 30 17:30:24 2011
From: gm5729 at gmail.com (gk)
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2011 17:30:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 81, Issue 20
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1317402001.23775.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
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On Fri, 2011-09-30 at 12:00 -0500, tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org
wrote:
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>    1. Re: Computer Assistance Repost (Samael)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 22:27:29 -0500
> From: Samael <samael.anon at gmail.com>
> To: gm5729 at gmail.com, TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Computer Assistance Repost
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> 
> just got back in town today.  i can help, may be a few days.
> 
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:23 PM, gk <gm5729 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Wow! I'm surprised no one responded. I'm going to post this one more
> > time. I had a good response last time, about 2 years ago for help.
> >
> > I have a friend that lives up in North West 35 Freeway area. I would say
> > it is about 10-12 miles North of the LUG meeting location. She has been
> > running linux on the box I set up for her a few yrs ago. Her printer
> > died recently and she does not understand computerese.
> >
> > With that install being done about 2-3 years ago I am going to be a dime
> > to a dozen that the Debian install will force update too. I can't do
> > this from 1200 miles away.
> >
> > I'm asking if anyone from the LUG can printer install and if needed the
> > updates that haven't been done.  Please email off list.
> >
> > --
> > --
> > gk
> > http://gm5729.blogspot.com
> >
> > Please conserve natural resources and print out this email if absolutely
> > necessary. If you need a copy save as a PDF/DJVU format on your
> > computer.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
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> Subject: [tclug-list] Please check your emails if you posted about
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> 

I'm pretty sure I have help now for my friend. Unless something changes
other wise. Thank you all for your offers and kindness.


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