I appreciate your kind reply. I've been involved with Unix and the internet since before there was Unix and the internet. I don't hang out on my system as root. But I like to completely control the system at times, or just tweak some things. I simply like the vast offerings of opensuse and the use of YAST to maintain it. I got yelled off this group before touting StarOffice, now OpenOffice. Nobody is invading your clubhouse. Probably nobody is using FreePascal (almost Ada), on ICEwm, playing with hardware drivers either. And one of those engineers now makes stuff for Apple, in China, so linux interest is gone there. Maybe mentioning opensuse to prospective users is a fair effort. Yaron wrote: > On Sun, 29 Apr 2012, Rick Engebretson wrote: > >> The youngsters were a couple of engineers leaving for Silicon Valley >> in a day or two, so I didn't have a lot of time to figure out Ubuntu. >> I use the command "su" for xterm root use, and couldn't get root >> access in any way. > > Hi there. Extreme old-timer here, professional UNIX admin for almost 20 > years, amateur UNIX user for longer. > > Logging in as root and the su command have always been a very weak part > of UNIX security. Over the past decade or so, with sudo becoming more > ubiquitous, root logins have become somewhat deprecated. Even on > UNIX-like systems where root/su are still used, there is not one > security document that'll not put "install sudo and disable root logins" > somewhere near the top. > > This isn't an Ubuntu thing. It's one of the things where Ubuntu is > following current security protocols. > > > -Yaron > > -- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >