From admin at lctn.org Thu Mar 1 08:27:59 2012 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2012 08:27:59 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] IR Troubleshooting In-Reply-To: <4F4E4A3B.7010409@lctn.org> References: <4F4E4A3B.7010409@lctn.org> Message-ID: <4F4F876F.6050308@lctn.org> Found out last night it is evdev that is intercepting my IR commands because it sees my usb remote as an input device. How can I disable it, or excempt my remote from evdev and still get lirc to see it? On 02/29/2012 09:54 AM, Raymond Norton wrote: > Last week I was troubleshooting what I believed to be a lirc problem > with a MCE USB remote (vrc-1100). I could get the remote to work with > lirc on one workstation, a Mint 10 install, but not on other devices. > On my mini Zotac box and Mint 9 laptop, the play and pause button > would not work for MythTV. On the Zotac box and now my Dell XPS laptop > (Both Mint 12), a stop sign like alert would pop up on my screen each > time I pressed the pause or play button. > > I discovered this morning (after purging lirc) it is not a lirc > problem at all, but some other program running that is processing IR > commands. I'm somewhat of a novice with IR and thought lirc was needed > for IR, but that is not the case. The same buttons work with or > without lirc installed, as well as the pop ups when pressing play or > pause. > > Apparently this is why I cannot get my remote to work properly. > > Anybody a pro with IR able to tell me how to get past this problem? > > > Raymond > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From galanolwe at yahoo.com Thu Mar 1 21:09:01 2012 From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 19:09:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: [tclug-list] dd help Message-ID: <1330657741.51162.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I'm trying to low-level a 100 gb drive. It's in an external caddy and mounted on /dev/sdb. I ran this command: >sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb which is how I understand to low-level format a drive (wipe it clean). The trouble is, it's been running now for about 3 hours! Is that normal? The prompt is not returned and the little red lcd is flashing at a uniform rate. I'm doing this because I just wanted to get some practice in for what my real task is, which is to clone one machine's drive onto another new machine. My original Ubuntu 11.01 machine has a 160 gb drive, the target will be 250 gb. I'll put the target into the external caddy and run pretty much the same thing again: >sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb ?# sda = original ; sdb = new system in caddy Am I on the right track? I want exactly what's on my original U11.10 machine (Thinkpad t61) cloned to another t61. And will this take . . . 36 hours? Olwe GM,MN -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmore at starmind.org Thu Mar 1 21:11:30 2012 From: jmore at starmind.org (Josh More) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 21:11:30 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] dd help In-Reply-To: <1330657741.51162.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1330657741.51162.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You are on the right path. It will take quite some time to copy a stream of zeros to the drive. You can speed things up by setting blocks to match the block size that your drive uses. I'd start by adding bs=1024 to the line. Read the man page for units and other bs= options. -Josh On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:09 PM, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > I'm trying to low-level a 100 gb drive. It's in an external caddy and > mounted on /dev/sdb. I ran this command: > > >sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb > > which is how I understand to low-level format a drive (wipe it clean). The > trouble is, it's been running now for about 3 hours! Is that normal? The > prompt is not returned and the little red lcd is flashing at a uniform rate. > > I'm doing this because I just wanted to get some practice in for what my > real task is, which is to clone one machine's drive onto another new > machine. My original Ubuntu 11.01 machine has a 160 gb drive, the target > will be 250 gb. I'll put the target into the external caddy and run pretty > much the same thing again: > > >sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb # sda = original ; sdb = new system in > caddy > > Am I on the right track? I want exactly what's on my original U11.10 > machine (Thinkpad t61) cloned to another t61. And will this take . . . 36 > hours? > > > Olwe > GM,MN > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Thu Mar 1 22:00:51 2012 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 22:00:51 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] dd help In-Reply-To: <1330657741.51162.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1330657741.51162.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Mar 2012, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > I'm trying to low-level a 100 gb drive. It's in an external caddy and > mounted on /dev/sdb. I ran this command: > > >sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb First, the bs= option Josh mentioned is great. Use that. Second, if you do a ps and find the PID for the dd process and send it a kill -USR1, it'll print out the current status. Third, and my favourite, install pv (you can apt-get it under ubuntu) and pipe the dd commands through it, like this: dd if=/dev/zero bs=1K | pv | dd of=/dev/sdb This will give you a progress indicator while dd is running. Note that if you're sudoing one of the dd commands, you may need to sudo the other, too. -Yaron -- From galanolwe at yahoo.com Thu Mar 1 22:03:14 2012 From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 20:03:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [tclug-list] dd help In-Reply-To: References: <1330657741.51162.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1330660994.72361.YahooMailNeo@web161606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> >You are on the right path.? It will take quite some time to copy a stream of zeros to the drive.? You can speed things up by setting blocks to match the block size that your drive uses.? I'd start by adding bs=1024 to the line.? Read the man page for units and other bs= options. > >-Josh > How about this: $hdparm -d1 /dev/hda /dev/sdb then $dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/sdb bs=2M The /dev/sdb was the new machine's drive which originally had WinXP on it. Can I just run dd over it without formatting it first? Olwe > >On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 9:09 PM, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > >I'm trying to low-level a 100 gb drive. It's in an external caddy and mounted on /dev/sdb. I ran this command: >> >> >>>sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb >> >> >> >>which is how I understand to low-level format a drive (wipe it clean). The trouble is, it's been running now for about 3 hours! Is that normal? The prompt is not returned and the little red lcd is flashing at a uniform rate. >> >> >>I'm doing this because I just wanted to get some practice in for what my real task is, which is to clone one machine's drive onto another new machine. My original Ubuntu 11.01 machine has a 160 gb drive, the target will be 250 gb. I'll put the target into the external caddy and run pretty much the same thing again: >> >> >>>sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb ?# sda = original ; sdb = new system in caddy >> >> >>Am I on the right track? I want exactly what's on my original U11.10 machine (Thinkpad t61) cloned to another t61. And will this take . . . 36 hours? >> >> >> >> >>Olwe >>GM,MN >>_______________________________________________ >>TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > From tclug at freakzilla.com Thu Mar 1 22:03:37 2012 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 22:03:37 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] dd help In-Reply-To: <1330657741.51162.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1330657741.51162.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Mar 2012, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > I'm doing this because I just wanted to get some practice in for what my > real task is, which is to clone one machine's drive onto another new > machine. My original Ubuntu 11.01 machine has a 160 gb drive, the target > will be 250 gb. If you use dd for this, you'll end up wasting 90gb of diskspace. There are probably auto-cloners, but I'd partition the new drive, then mount each partition and use cpio to clone the files to it. Then boot from a USB drive/live CD and reinstall the boot loader. That's a very basic overview, let me know if you want more detail. -Yaron -- From florin at iucha.net Thu Mar 1 22:05:04 2012 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 22:05:04 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] dd help In-Reply-To: References: <1330657741.51162.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20120302040504.GC21261@styx.iucha.org> On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 09:11:30PM -0600, Josh More wrote: > You are on the right path. It will take quite some time to copy a stream > of zeros to the drive. You can speed things up by setting blocks to match > the block size that your drive uses. I'd start by adding bs=1024 to the > line. Read the man page for units and other bs= options. The physical block size is 512 bytes (for older drives or 4096 bytes for 'advanced format' drives properly configured). But using the physical block size is still inefficient. I believe the sweet spot is 16Kb or so (at least it was, several years ago). You can check on dd's progress by sending it the USR1 signal. Run first a ps ux | grep dd, find the pid then run 'kill -USR1 $pid'. Cheers, florin -- Beware of software written by optimists! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I would also recommend a dd fork, dc3dd gives you live progress by the default (write speeds, time, etc), as well as default 32k bs (so you could use dc3dd wipe= and away you go with progress and all). Good luck, -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:05 PM, Florin Iucha wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 09:11:30PM -0600, Josh More wrote: > > You are on the right path. ?It will take quite some time to copy a stream > > of zeros to the drive. ?You can speed things up by setting blocks to match > > the block size that your drive uses. ?I'd start by adding bs=1024 to the > > line. ?Read the man page for units and other bs= options. > > The physical block size is 512 bytes (for older drives or 4096 bytes > for 'advanced format' drives properly configured). ?But using the > physical block size is still inefficient. ?I believe the sweet spot is > 16Kb or so (at least it was, several years ago). > > You can check on dd's progress by sending it the USR1 signal. > > Run first a ps ux | grep dd, find the pid then run 'kill -USR1 $pid'. > > Cheers, > florin > > -- > Beware of software written by optimists! > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From galanolwe at yahoo.com Fri Mar 2 09:46:05 2012 From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 07:46:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [tclug-list] dd help In-Reply-To: <1330703031.90583.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1330657741.51162.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1330703031.90583.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1330703165.55851.YahooMailNeo@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> >>> I'm doing this because I just wanted to get some practice in for > what my real task is, which is to clone one machine's drive onto another new > machine. My original Ubuntu 11.01 machine has a 160 gb drive, the target will be > 250 gb. I'll put the target into the external caddy and run pretty much the > same thing again: >>> >>> >> >> > I use clonezilla to clone drives. ?I applaud your DIY enthusiasm, and you > certainly can get there with dd - but I'd still point you towards > clonezilla. ? > > > -Rob > ? > > Actually, I wound up using ddrescue, which worked like a charm. Still there's Gpart work to do to get the remaining 90gb back since I went from a 160 to 250 gb drive. One hitch has been Wifi. Either my new T61 machine isn't an exact duplicate of my original T61 after all, or the new machine's Wifi is defective. This whole exercise was to get a "duplicate install" for my son's computer, rather than doing a complete install from scratch. But then I've got to change my account /home/dad to his /home/son1 . And since I just presumed the Wifi issue was because of different hardware, I stuck the U11.10 CD in and did a "reinstall," which gives you the opportunity to create a new user/password, but supposedly keep all your other software. No doubt there was a better way, but when it finishes, I'll hopefully have everything I had originally, but under /home/son1 -- with the Wifi problem solved. Olwe GM,MN From ryanjcole at me.com Fri Mar 2 10:33:50 2012 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 10:33:50 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] dd help In-Reply-To: <1330703165.55851.YahooMailNeo@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1330657741.51162.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1330703031.90583.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1330703165.55851.YahooMailNeo@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <13382625-C100-4E7A-BB1B-376D7F5F1A8C@me.com> The Wifi issue is an easy solution: Replace the card with the one from the old machine. On Mar 2, 2012, at 9:46 AM, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > > > > >>>> I'm doing this because I just wanted to get some practice in for >> what my real task is, which is to clone one machine's drive onto another new >> machine. My original Ubuntu 11.01 machine has a 160 gb drive, the target will be >> 250 gb. I'll put the target into the external caddy and run pretty much the >> same thing again: >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> I use clonezilla to clone drives. I applaud your DIY enthusiasm, and you >> certainly can get there with dd - but I'd still point you towards >> clonezilla. >> >> >> -Rob >> >> >> > Actually, I wound up using ddrescue, which worked like a charm. Still > there's Gpart work to do to get the remaining 90gb back since I went from a > 160 to 250 gb drive. One hitch has been Wifi. Either my new T61 machine > isn't an exact duplicate of my original T61 after all, or the new > machine's Wifi is defective. > > > This whole exercise was to get a "duplicate install" for my son's > computer, rather than doing a complete install from scratch. But then I've > got to change my account /home/dad to his /home/son1 . And since I just presumed > the Wifi issue was because of different hardware, I stuck the U11.10 CD in and > did a "reinstall," which gives you the opportunity to create a new > user/password, but supposedly keep all your other software. No doubt there was a > better way, but when it finishes, I'll hopefully have everything I had > originally, but under /home/son1 -- with the Wifi problem solved. > > Olwe > GM,MN > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From galanolwe at yahoo.com Fri Mar 2 10:39:28 2012 From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 08:39:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [tclug-list] dd help In-Reply-To: <13382625-C100-4E7A-BB1B-376D7F5F1A8C@me.com> References: <1330657741.51162.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1330703031.90583.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1330703165.55851.YahooMailNeo@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <13382625-C100-4E7A-BB1B-376D7F5F1A8C@me.com> Message-ID: <1330706368.99968.YahooMailNeo@web161605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Not sure, but I suspect it's built-in. In any case, it's not a PC card. Will investigate. Olwe ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ryan Coleman > To: Olwe Bottorff ; TCLUG Mailing List > Cc: > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 10:33 AM > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] dd help > >T he Wifi issue is an easy solution: Replace the card with the one from the old > machine. > > On Mar 2, 2012, at 9:46 AM, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > >> >> >> >> From florin at iucha.net Fri Mar 2 10:51:46 2012 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 10:51:46 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] dd help In-Reply-To: <1330706368.99968.YahooMailNeo@web161605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1330657741.51162.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1330703031.90583.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1330703165.55851.YahooMailNeo@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <13382625-C100-4E7A-BB1B-376D7F5F1A8C@me.com> <1330706368.99968.YahooMailNeo@web161605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20120302165146.GD21261@styx.iucha.org> On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 08:39:28AM -0800, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > Not sure, but I suspect it's built-in. In any case, it's not a PC > card. Will investigate. It is a mini PCI express card, connected into a slot on the motherboard. Run a 'lspci' on the two boxes and you'll see if the devices are similar or not. Cheers, florin -- Beware of software written by optimists! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From galanolwe at yahoo.com Fri Mar 2 11:06:10 2012 From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 09:06:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [tclug-list] Cloned MAC address? (was Re: dd help) In-Reply-To: <20120302165146.GD21261@styx.iucha.org> References: <1330657741.51162.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1330703031.90583.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1330703165.55851.YahooMailNeo@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <13382625-C100-4E7A-BB1B-376D7F5F1A8C@me.com> <1330706368.99968.YahooMailNeo@web161605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20120302165146.GD21261@styx.iucha.org> Message-ID: <1330707970.62021.YahooMailNeo@web161601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> lspic indicates (as best I can read it) that the hardware's identical. No surprise. On a hunch, I checked the Device MAC address . . . and yes, we have a match! That is to say, cloning the drive was just too efficient and now the new machine (with the cloned drive) thinks its MAC is the old machine's MAC. So how do I detect the real MAC address on my new machine and get Linux to see it? Or am I not correct in thinking each machine must have a unique MAC address? Olwe GM,MN ----- Original Message ----- > From: Florin Iucha > To: Olwe Bottorff ; TCLUG Mailing List > Cc: > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 10:51 AM > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] dd help > > On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 08:39:28AM -0800, Olwe Bottorff wrote: >> Not sure, but I suspect it's built-in. In any case, it's not a PC >> card. Will investigate. > > It is a mini PCI express card, connected into a slot on the > motherboard. > > Run a 'lspci' on the two boxes and you'll see if the devices are > similar or not. > > Cheers, > florin > > -- > Beware of software written by optimists! > From florin at iucha.net Fri Mar 2 11:09:57 2012 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 11:09:57 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Cloned MAC address? (was Re: dd help) In-Reply-To: <1330707970.62021.YahooMailNeo@web161601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1330657741.51162.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1330703031.90583.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1330703165.55851.YahooMailNeo@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <13382625-C100-4E7A-BB1B-376D7F5F1A8C@me.com> <1330706368.99968.YahooMailNeo@web161605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20120302165146.GD21261@styx.iucha.org> <1330707970.62021.YahooMailNeo@web161601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20120302170956.GE21261@styx.iucha.org> On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 09:06:10AM -0800, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > On a hunch, I checked the Device MAC address . . . and yes, we have > a match! That is to say, cloning the drive was just too efficient and > now the new machine (with the cloned drive) thinks its MAC is the old > machine's MAC. So how do I detect the real MAC address on my new machine > and get Linux to see it? Or am I not correct in thinking each machine > must have a unique MAC address? Boot a rescue distribution (to avoid some local scripts setting up a MAC) and run 'ifconfig -a'. Cheers, florin -- Beware of software written by optimists! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available URL: From galanolwe at yahoo.com Fri Mar 2 11:33:15 2012 From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 09:33:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [tclug-list] Cloned MAC address? (was Re: dd help) In-Reply-To: <20120302170956.GE21261@styx.iucha.org> References: <1330657741.51162.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1330703031.90583.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1330703165.55851.YahooMailNeo@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <13382625-C100-4E7A-BB1B-376D7F5F1A8C@me.com> <1330706368.99968.YahooMailNeo@web161605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20120302165146.GD21261@styx.iucha.org> <1330707970.62021.YahooMailNeo@web161601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20120302170956.GE21261@styx.iucha.org> Message-ID: <1330709595.68894.YahooMailNeo@web161605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > > On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 09:06:10AM -0800, Olwe Bottorff wrote: >> On a hunch, I checked the Device MAC address . . . and yes, we have >> a match! That is to say, cloning the drive was just too efficient and >> now the new machine (with the cloned drive) thinks its MAC is the old >> machine's MAC. So how do I detect the real MAC address on my new > machine >> and get Linux to see it? Or am I not correct in thinking each machine >> must have a unique MAC address? > > Boot a rescue distribution (to avoid some local scripts setting up a > MAC) and run 'ifconfig -a'. > > Cheers, > florin > If I boot into the Ubuntu install CD (in my case USB drive), it should immediately pick up the hardware MAC for the Wireless, right? By the time the "Try" "Install" screen comes along it should see Wifi and want, e.g., a password, right? If it doesn't see Wifi, then it's not an issue of the cloned drive carrying over bad kernel-level info, right? Olwe From florin at iucha.net Fri Mar 2 11:37:45 2012 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 11:37:45 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Cloned MAC address? (was Re: dd help) In-Reply-To: <1330709595.68894.YahooMailNeo@web161605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1330657741.51162.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1330703031.90583.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1330703165.55851.YahooMailNeo@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <13382625-C100-4E7A-BB1B-376D7F5F1A8C@me.com> <1330706368.99968.YahooMailNeo@web161605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20120302165146.GD21261@styx.iucha.org> <1330707970.62021.YahooMailNeo@web161601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20120302170956.GE21261@styx.iucha.org> <1330709595.68894.YahooMailNeo@web161605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20120302173745.GF21261@styx.iucha.org> On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 09:33:15AM -0800, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > >> So how do I detect the real MAC address on my new machine > >> and get Linux to see it? Or am I not correct in thinking each machine > >> must have a unique MAC address? > > > > Boot a rescue distribution (to avoid some local scripts setting up a > > MAC) and run 'ifconfig -a'. > > > If I boot into the Ubuntu install CD (in my case USB drive), it should > immediately pick up the hardware MAC for the Wireless, right? By the > time the "Try" "Install" screen comes along it should see Wifi and want, > e.g., a password, right? If it doesn't see Wifi, then it's not an issue > of the cloned drive carrying over bad kernel-level info, right? I don't know if Ubuntu installer is willing and able to set up wireless cards (to use during installation or post-install). For checking the wireless network I would try something like Knoppix. Cheers, florin -- Beware of software written by optimists! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The MAC address for the old machine is probably listed there. You want to replace that with the MAC address of this machine's card. The Ubuntu installer can set up wireless networks just fine. I don't know what it will do on a re-install to change an existing config. It may leave the old one in place, thinking that it is the config for a piece of hardware that is temporarily absent during the re-install. Or, it might overwrite the old config with the new and correct one. Thomas On Mar 2, 2012, at 11:37 AM, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 09:33:15AM -0800, Olwe Bottorff wrote: >>>> So how do I detect the real MAC address on my new machine >>>> and get Linux to see it? Or am I not correct in thinking each machine >>>> must have a unique MAC address? >>> >>> Boot a rescue distribution (to avoid some local scripts setting up a >>> MAC) and run 'ifconfig -a'. >>> >> If I boot into the Ubuntu install CD (in my case USB drive), it should >> immediately pick up the hardware MAC for the Wireless, right? By the >> time the "Try" "Install" screen comes along it should see Wifi and want, >> e.g., a password, right? If it doesn't see Wifi, then it's not an issue >> of the cloned drive carrying over bad kernel-level info, right? > > I don't know if Ubuntu installer is willing and able to set up > wireless cards (to use during installation or post-install). > > For checking the wireless network I would try something like Knoppix. > > Cheers, > florin > > -- > Beware of software written by optimists! > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Fri Mar 2 13:28:29 2012 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 13:28:29 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Cloned MAC address? (was Re: dd help) In-Reply-To: <20120302173745.GF21261@styx.iucha.org> References: <1330657741.51162.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1330703031.90583.YahooMailNeo@web161603.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1330703165.55851.YahooMailNeo@web161604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <13382625-C100-4E7A-BB1B-376D7F5F1A8C@me.com> <1330706368.99968.YahooMailNeo@web161605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20120302165146.GD21261@styx.iucha.org> <1330707970.62021.YahooMailNeo@web161601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20120302170956.GE21261@styx.iucha.org> <1330709595.68894.YahooMailNeo@web161605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <20120302173745.GF21261@styx.iucha.org> Message-ID: <4F511F5D.6030903@Goecke-Dolan.com> You can try and delete /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and then reboot, it should auto regenerate the network interfaces and pickup the mac addresses from the hardware. ==>brian. On 03/02/2012 11:37 AM, Florin Iucha wrote: > On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 09:33:15AM -0800, Olwe Bottorff wrote: >>>> So how do I detect the real MAC address on my new machine >>>> and get Linux to see it? Or am I not correct in thinking each machine >>>> must have a unique MAC address? >>> >>> Boot a rescue distribution (to avoid some local scripts setting up a >>> MAC) and run 'ifconfig -a'. >>> >> If I boot into the Ubuntu install CD (in my case USB drive), it should >> immediately pick up the hardware MAC for the Wireless, right? By the >> time the "Try" "Install" screen comes along it should see Wifi and want, >> e.g., a password, right? If it doesn't see Wifi, then it's not an issue >> of the cloned drive carrying over bad kernel-level info, right? > > I don't know if Ubuntu installer is willing and able to set up > wireless cards (to use during installation or post-install). > > For checking the wireless network I would try something like Knoppix. > > Cheers, > florin > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Tue Mar 6 00:25:59 2012 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 00:25:59 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] antiX M12 Test 2: Swift Linux influence? Message-ID: <20120306002559.cd17110be277918bcec5b807@jasonhsu.com> http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=07147 The Test 2 release of antiX Linux M12 is now available. LibreOffice has replaced AbiWord and Gnumeric, and Asian fonts have been removed. I also noticed that the ISO files are now available on SourceForge. I wonder if Swift Linux influenced these changes. I consider influence to be one measure of success of a Linux distro. The live CD feature of Knoppix influenced other distros to offer it as well, and only a few distros today lack this feature. While Ubuntu has spawned many derivatives (including Linux Mint, which has effectively taken its place in the Linux market), I'm sure it has also influenced many more. Even though I'm transforming Swift Linux from an antiX base to a Linux Mint Debian Edition base, the influence of antiX Linux will remain. Examples include IceWM, ROX pinboard, and configuration scripts. I hope to one day have competitors claiming to be better than Swift Linux, because that would mean that my distro is a big hit. Groups like FreeGeek would have several great options for working with 10-year-old computers. This would be a big boon for reducing e-waste AND bridging the digital divide. -- Jason Hsu From galanolwe at yahoo.com Sun Mar 11 10:06:08 2012 From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 08:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Best way to launch app at startup? Message-ID: <1331478368.19154.YahooMailNeo@web161602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I've installed via apt-get an app that controls the cpu fan (thinkfan). Now I'd like /usr/sbin/thinkfan to run at bootup without me having to start it by hand at the command line. As I understand, it takes root?privilege, i.e., at the command like I start it with >sudo /usr/sbin/thinkfan? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mgreenly at gmail.com Sun Mar 11 10:12:56 2012 From: mgreenly at gmail.com (Michael Greenly) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:12:56 -0400 Subject: [tclug-list] Best way to launch app at startup? In-Reply-To: <1331478368.19154.YahooMailNeo@web161602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1331478368.19154.YahooMailNeo@web161602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A quick and dirty approach that may work is creating a cron job for root that uses the @reboot syntax http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-execute-cron-job-after-system-reboot/ The more proper approach would be writing an init script but obviously that's more involved. On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > I've installed via apt-get an app that controls the cpu fan (thinkfan). > Now I'd like /usr/sbin/thinkfan to run at bootup without me having to start > it by hand at the command line. As I understand, it takes root privilege, > i.e., at the command like I start it with >sudo /usr/sbin/thinkfan > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Michael Greenly http://logic-refinery.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Sun Mar 11 11:06:49 2012 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 11:06:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Best way to launch app at startup? In-Reply-To: <1331478368.19154.YahooMailNeo@web161602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1331478368.19154.YahooMailNeo@web161602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: sudo echo "/usr/sbin/thinkfan" >> /etc/rc.local Should work on most distributions. On Sun, 11 Mar 2012, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > I've installed via apt-get an app that controls the cpu fan (thinkfan). Now > I'd like /usr/sbin/thinkfan to run at bootup without me having to start it > by hand at the command line. As I understand, it takes root?privilege, i.e., > at the command like I start it with >sudo /usr/sbin/thinkfan? > > ? > > -Yaron -- From jmore at starmind.org Sun Mar 11 13:40:53 2012 From: jmore at starmind.org (Josh More) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 13:40:53 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Best way to launch app at startup? In-Reply-To: References: <1331478368.19154.YahooMailNeo@web161602.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: In my build notes for my laptop, I have the following for thinkfan: # Turn on sensors sudo apt-get install lm_sensors sudo sensors-detect # Say "yes" to everything # Install fan control sudo apt-get install thinkfan vi /etc/default/thinkfan # Set "START" to "yes" # Under "#sensor ...", add: # sensor /sys/devices/platform/coretemp.0/temp1_input # sensor /sys/devices/platform/coretemp.0/temp2_input # sensor /sys/devices/platform/coretemp.0/temp3_input # sensor /sys/devices/platform/coretemp.0/temp4_input # sensor /sys/devices/platform/coretemp.0/temp5_input # sensor /sys/devices/virtual/hwmon/hwmon0/temp1_input # sensor /sys/devices/virtual/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp echo 'options thinkpad_acpi fan_control=1' > /etc/modprobe.d/thinkfan.conf Basically, let the kernel load it as a module and use the lm_sensors hook to make sure that it runs properly. -Josh More On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Michael Greenly wrote: > A quick and dirty approach that may work is creating a cron job for root > that uses the @reboot syntax > > http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-execute-cron-job-after-system-reboot/ > > The more proper approach would be writing an init script but obviously > that's more involved. > > > On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > >> I've installed via apt-get an app that controls the cpu fan (thinkfan). >> Now I'd like /usr/sbin/thinkfan to run at bootup without me having to start >> it by hand at the command line. As I understand, it takes root privilege, >> i.e., at the command like I start it with >sudo /usr/sbin/thinkfan >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > -- > Michael Greenly > http://logic-refinery.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eng at pinenet.com Tue Mar 13 22:55:02 2012 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:55:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking to reconnect to Linux and electronics Message-ID: <4F601696.5070705@pinenet.com> I was involved with this group years ago. Live outstate. Using opensuse 11.3 (used SuSE since 6.1, tried others). Just posted links to Linux programs using serial port here: > http://community.freepascal.org:10000/bboards/message?message_id=715768&forum_id=24083 I have had some luck with AVR microcontrollers on serial port. But I can't figure out how to put any little electronics hardware together. I need to reconnect to the Twin Cities tech arts scene. Suggestions welcome. From eminmn at sysmatrix.net Wed Mar 14 09:03:10 2012 From: eminmn at sysmatrix.net (Ed C.) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:03:10 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking to reconnect to Linux and electronics In-Reply-To: <4F601696.5070705@pinenet.com> References: <4F601696.5070705@pinenet.com> Message-ID: <4F60A51E.6040706@sysmatrix.net> There are some amateur radio groups. Robotics group in Eden Prairie or somewhere southwest. Maker movement and many kits using Arduino (microcontoller) http://www.tcmaker.org/blog/2012/01/minnesota-2020-inside-the-maker-movement/ RepRap development in meetup groups like http://msp3d.com/ (3d printing) Even Radio Shack has a lot of kits and components available nowadays. Does "outstate" mean rural Minnesota or "out of state?" > I was involved with this group years ago. Live outstate. Using opensuse > 11.3 (used SuSE since 6.1, tried others). Just posted links to Linux > programs using serial port here: >> http://community.freepascal.org:10000/bboards/message?message_id=715768&forum_id=24083 >> > > I have had some luck with AVR microcontrollers on serial port. > > But I can't figure out how to put any little electronics hardware > together. I need to reconnect to the Twin Cities tech arts scene. > Suggestions welcome. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Thu Mar 15 12:26:45 2012 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:26:45 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] data collection Message-ID: i would like to start collecting data from centos environments, eg netwk traffic (openvz /proc/net/dev), cpu utilisation (container or HN), cpu temp (HN), fan speeds. i already have nagios monitoring them, but, i'm not aware that nagios offers data collection. trusting you wouldn't suggest either a semi or a scooter to carry the groceries, what do y'all recommend? rrdtool? snmp? a control panel? other? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From jus at krytosvirus.com Thu Mar 15 16:17:14 2012 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:17:14 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] data collection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <775706243-1331846240-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-686258446-@b13.c4.bise6.blackberry> Nagios does do some rrd based logging/graphing of data but a more refined tool for is Cacti. Cacti also does some rudimentary alerting akin to nagios through the threshold plugin. So they compliment each other nicely. Also you can add in graphs to nagios from cacti data. -----Original Message----- From: gregrwm Sender: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 12:26:45 To: Reply-To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [tclug-list] data collection _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 07:46:26 2012 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B Bob De Mars) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 07:46:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Virtual Platform leads In-Reply-To: <50B58F4F-13A6-448A-8F8D-502C86EB88AD@me.com> References: <69CA54C7-77CD-4179-B854-774F6804254D@me.com> <4ED67DA2.5020304@gmail.com> <50B58F4F-13A6-448A-8F8D-502C86EB88AD@me.com> Message-ID: <4F69CDA2.7020709@gmail.com> On 11/30/2011 2:02 PM, Ryan Coleman cried from the depths of the abyss: Hi Ryan, I was curious if you decided on a VM, and how is it working out? Thanks! Bob > We are not using anything at the moment. It's for showing our customers what we have for software... and frankly a couple of the video programs don't play well with others. > > On Nov 30, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > >> On 11/30/2011 8:54 AM, Ryan Coleman cried from the depths of the abyss: >>> Guys, >>> >>> My day job is looking for a good VM lead and I thought of you. Well, >>> ok, I thought you could get me some good leads. >>> >>> We're looking into an alternative to VMWare vSphere 5, one that will >>> run under whatever OS (we're not sold to Windows for our base >>> configuration) and will support any OS on top of it (BSD, Linux, >>> Windows, etc.). >>> >>> Links to whitepapers and pricing (if applicable) would also be >>> appreciated. We're going to utilize most of this machine to run >>> various video surveillance solutions but will also reserve some >>> smaller slices for our network communications (DNS, DHCP, ipTables, >>> Nagios, etc.). >>> >> >> >> Hi Ryan. I am curious to know if you are using VMware now& don't like or want to use the latest ESXi 5, or is this something new for the company? >> >> I am refurbing a recently decommissioned HP ml370 G5, and I was planning/thinking actually about giving vShpere 5 a try. >> >> Just curious what the motivation behind this is. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Bob >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Mar 21 09:38:08 2012 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 09:38:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Virtual Platform leads In-Reply-To: <4F69CDA2.7020709@gmail.com> References: <69CA54C7-77CD-4179-B854-774F6804254D@me.com> <4ED67DA2.5020304@gmail.com> <50B58F4F-13A6-448A-8F8D-502C86EB88AD@me.com> <4F69CDA2.7020709@gmail.com> Message-ID: We're using the 60-day trial of ESXi 5 right now. I need to get it licensed. And it's quite stable so I haven't had to think about it lately. On Mar 21, 2012, at 7:46, B-o-B Bob De Mars wrote: > On 11/30/2011 2:02 PM, Ryan Coleman cried from the depths of the abyss: > > Hi Ryan, > > I was curious if you decided on a VM, and how is it working out? > > Thanks! > > Bob > >> We are not using anything at the moment. It's for showing our customers what we have for software... and frankly a couple of the video programs don't play well with others. >> >> On Nov 30, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: >> >>> On 11/30/2011 8:54 AM, Ryan Coleman cried from the depths of the abyss: >>>> Guys, >>>> >>>> My day job is looking for a good VM lead and I thought of you. Well, >>>> ok, I thought you could get me some good leads. >>>> >>>> We're looking into an alternative to VMWare vSphere 5, one that will >>>> run under whatever OS (we're not sold to Windows for our base >>>> configuration) and will support any OS on top of it (BSD, Linux, >>>> Windows, etc.). >>>> >>>> Links to whitepapers and pricing (if applicable) would also be >>>> appreciated. We're going to utilize most of this machine to run >>>> various video surveillance solutions but will also reserve some >>>> smaller slices for our network communications (DNS, DHCP, ipTables, >>>> Nagios, etc.). >>>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Ryan. I am curious to know if you are using VMware now& don't like or want to use the latest ESXi 5, or is this something new for the company? >>> >>> I am refurbing a recently decommissioned HP ml370 G5, and I was planning/thinking actually about giving vShpere 5 a try. >>> >>> Just curious what the motivation behind this is. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Bob >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From blutgens at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 11:10:45 2012 From: blutgens at gmail.com (Ben) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:10:45 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Virtual Platform leads In-Reply-To: References: <69CA54C7-77CD-4179-B854-774F6804254D@me.com> <4ED67DA2.5020304@gmail.com> <50B58F4F-13A6-448A-8F8D-502C86EB88AD@me.com> <4F69CDA2.7020709@gmail.com> Message-ID: Citrix has a free version of Xen that's pretty incredible. On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > We're using the 60-day trial of ESXi 5 right now. > > I need to get it licensed. And it's quite stable so I haven't had to think > about it lately. > > > On Mar 21, 2012, at 7:46, B-o-B Bob De Mars > wrote: > > > On 11/30/2011 2:02 PM, Ryan Coleman cried from the depths of the abyss: > > > > Hi Ryan, > > > > I was curious if you decided on a VM, and how is it working out? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Bob > > > >> We are not using anything at the moment. It's for showing our customers > what we have for software... and frankly a couple of the video programs > don't play well with others. > >> > >> On Nov 30, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > >> > >>> On 11/30/2011 8:54 AM, Ryan Coleman cried from the depths of the abyss: > >>>> Guys, > >>>> > >>>> My day job is looking for a good VM lead and I thought of you. Well, > >>>> ok, I thought you could get me some good leads. > >>>> > >>>> We're looking into an alternative to VMWare vSphere 5, one that will > >>>> run under whatever OS (we're not sold to Windows for our base > >>>> configuration) and will support any OS on top of it (BSD, Linux, > >>>> Windows, etc.). > >>>> > >>>> Links to whitepapers and pricing (if applicable) would also be > >>>> appreciated. We're going to utilize most of this machine to run > >>>> various video surveillance solutions but will also reserve some > >>>> smaller slices for our network communications (DNS, DHCP, ipTables, > >>>> Nagios, etc.). > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Hi Ryan. I am curious to know if you are using VMware now& don't > like or want to use the latest ESXi 5, or is this something new for the > company? > >>> > >>> I am refurbing a recently decommissioned HP ml370 G5, and I was > planning/thinking actually about giving vShpere 5 a try. > >>> > >>> Just curious what the motivation behind this is. > >>> > >>> Thanks! > >>> > >>> Bob > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens Linux / Unix System Administrator Three of your friends throw up after eating chicken salad. 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And it's quite stable so I haven't had to think about it lately. > > > On Mar 21, 2012, at 7:46, B-o-B Bob De Mars wrote: > > > On 11/30/2011 2:02 PM, Ryan Coleman cried from the depths of the abyss: > > > > Hi Ryan, > > > > I was curious if you decided on a VM, and how is it working out? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Bob > > > > > We are not using anything at the moment. It's for showing our customers what we have for software... and frankly a couple of the video programs don't play well with others. > > > > > > On Nov 30, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: > > > > > > > On 11/30/2011 8:54 AM, Ryan Coleman cried from the depths of the abyss: > > > > > Guys, > > > > > > > > > > My day job is looking for a good VM lead and I thought of you. Well, > > > > > ok, I thought you could get me some good leads. > > > > > > > > > > We're looking into an alternative to VMWare vSphere 5, one that will > > > > > run under whatever OS (we're not sold to Windows for our base > > > > > configuration) and will support any OS on top of it (BSD, Linux, > > > > > Windows, etc.). > > > > > > > > > > Links to whitepapers and pricing (if applicable) would also be > > > > > appreciated. We're going to utilize most of this machine to run > > > > > various video surveillance solutions but will also reserve some > > > > > smaller slices for our network communications (DNS, DHCP, ipTables, > > > > > Nagios, etc.). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ryan. I am curious to know if you are using VMware now& don't like or want to use the latest ESXi 5, or is this something new for the company? > > > > > > > > I am refurbing a recently decommissioned HP ml370 G5, and I was planning/thinking actually about giving vShpere 5 a try. > > > > > > > > Just curious what the motivation behind this is. > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Mar 21 11:52:37 2012 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 11:52:37 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Virtual Platform leads In-Reply-To: <9BCC2EB2A96C46399F6380AE595388E7@gmail.com> References: <69CA54C7-77CD-4179-B854-774F6804254D@me.com> <4ED67DA2.5020304@gmail.com> <50B58F4F-13A6-448A-8F8D-502C86EB88AD@me.com> <4F69CDA2.7020709@gmail.com> <9BCC2EB2A96C46399F6380AE595388E7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0204EA21-D43D-48BD-8F88-F5125EE78EB6@me.com> Nope I haven't seen anything about that. Where can I find that info? On Mar 21, 2012, at 11:50, Erik Anderson wrote: > You know that you can get a free license for the base functionality of ESXi, correct? > > You'll need to pay, though if you want any of the advances features like vMotion, Storage vMotion, DRS, HA, etc. > > - Erik > > On Wednesday, March 21, 2012 at 9:38, Ryan Coleman wrote: > >> We're using the 60-day trial of ESXi 5 right now. >> >> I need to get it licensed. And it's quite stable so I haven't had to think about it lately. >> >> >> On Mar 21, 2012, at 7:46, B-o-B Bob De Mars wrote: >> >>> On 11/30/2011 2:02 PM, Ryan Coleman cried from the depths of the abyss: >>> >>> Hi Ryan, >>> >>> I was curious if you decided on a VM, and how is it working out? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Bob >>> >>>> We are not using anything at the moment. It's for showing our customers what we have for software... and frankly a couple of the video programs don't play well with others. >>>> >>>> On Nov 30, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Mr. B-o-B wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 11/30/2011 8:54 AM, Ryan Coleman cried from the depths of the abyss: >>>>>> Guys, >>>>>> >>>>>> My day job is looking for a good VM lead and I thought of you. Well, >>>>>> ok, I thought you could get me some good leads. >>>>>> >>>>>> We're looking into an alternative to VMWare vSphere 5, one that will >>>>>> run under whatever OS (we're not sold to Windows for our base >>>>>> configuration) and will support any OS on top of it (BSD, Linux, >>>>>> Windows, etc.). >>>>>> >>>>>> Links to whitepapers and pricing (if applicable) would also be >>>>>> appreciated. We're going to utilize most of this machine to run >>>>>> various video surveillance solutions but will also reserve some >>>>>> smaller slices for our network communications (DNS, DHCP, ipTables, >>>>>> Nagios, etc.). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Ryan. I am curious to know if you are using VMware now& don't like or want to use the latest ESXi 5, or is this something new for the company? >>>>> >>>>> I am refurbing a recently decommissioned HP ml370 G5, and I was planning/thinking actually about giving vShpere 5 a try. >>>>> >>>>> Just curious what the motivation behind this is. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> Bob >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erikerik at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 16:22:01 2012 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 16:22:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Virtual Platform leads In-Reply-To: <0204EA21-D43D-48BD-8F88-F5125EE78EB6@me.com> References: <69CA54C7-77CD-4179-B854-774F6804254D@me.com> <4ED67DA2.5020304@gmail.com> <50B58F4F-13A6-448A-8F8D-502C86EB88AD@me.com> <4F69CDA2.7020709@gmail.com> <9BCC2EB2A96C46399F6380AE595388E7@gmail.com> <0204EA21-D43D-48BD-8F88-F5125EE78EB6@me.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > > Where can I find that info? I guess instead of calling it ESXi now, they're calling it the "VMware vSphere Hypervisor": https://www.vmware.com/tryvmware/index.php?p=free-esxi5&lp=default VMware's website is notoriously difficult to navigate, but after signing into your account there, you should be able to go to the above link and find a license key on the "License and Downloads" tab. -Erik From marc at e-skinner.net Thu Mar 22 07:10:56 2012 From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 07:10:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Virtual Platform leads In-Reply-To: References: <69CA54C7-77CD-4179-B854-774F6804254D@me.com> <4ED67DA2.5020304@gmail.com> <50B58F4F-13A6-448A-8F8D-502C86EB88AD@me.com> <4F69CDA2.7020709@gmail.com> <9BCC2EB2A96C46399F6380AE595388E7@gmail.com> <0204EA21-D43D-48BD-8F88-F5125EE78EB6@me.com> Message-ID: <4F6B16D0.40906@e-skinner.net> Don't forget new comer in this space: Red Hat Enterprise Virtualization: http://www.redhat.com/products/virtualization/ http://www.redhat.com/promo/rhev3 On 03/21/2012 04:22 PM, Erik Anderson wrote: > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> >> Where can I find that info? > > I guess instead of calling it ESXi now, they're calling it the "VMware > vSphere Hypervisor": > > https://www.vmware.com/tryvmware/index.php?p=free-esxi5&lp=default > > VMware's website is notoriously difficult to navigate, but after > signing into your account there, you should be able to go to the above > link and find a license key on the "License and Downloads" tab. > > -Erik > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ryanjcole at me.com Fri Mar 23 14:51:06 2012 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 14:51:06 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Virtual Platform leads In-Reply-To: References: <69CA54C7-77CD-4179-B854-774F6804254D@me.com> <4ED67DA2.5020304@gmail.com> <50B58F4F-13A6-448A-8F8D-502C86EB88AD@me.com> <4F69CDA2.7020709@gmail.com> <9BCC2EB2A96C46399F6380AE595388E7@gmail.com> <0204EA21-D43D-48BD-8F88-F5125EE78EB6@me.com> Message-ID: I guess I need some serious direction here... I don't know how little time is left on my 60-day trial - my normal functioning desktop is not at the moment and I'm stuck at DFW. Can I downgrade my install somehow? I have 6 VMs built (but 4 running) on this server right now; if it's a headache I'd probably just tell them to buy it so we can expand later. I've had a hard time finding a good comparison between ESX and ESXi. I didn't download the installer or ISO From the site, I used a torrent but did *not* try to keygen or crack it. All I can see from the ISO is that it's called VMVisor5.iso. Oh, here we go: ESXI-5.0.0-441354-STANDARD. Thanks, Ryan On Mar 21, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Erik Anderson wrote: > On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> >> Where can I find that info? > > I guess instead of calling it ESXi now, they're calling it the "VMware > vSphere Hypervisor": > > https://www.vmware.com/tryvmware/index.php?p=free-esxi5&lp=default > > VMware's website is notoriously difficult to navigate, but after > signing into your account there, you should be able to go to the above > link and find a license key on the "License and Downloads" tab. > > -Erik > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erikerik at gmail.com Fri Mar 23 15:04:17 2012 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 15:04:17 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Virtual Platform leads In-Reply-To: References: <69CA54C7-77CD-4179-B854-774F6804254D@me.com> <4ED67DA2.5020304@gmail.com> <50B58F4F-13A6-448A-8F8D-502C86EB88AD@me.com> <4F69CDA2.7020709@gmail.com> <9BCC2EB2A96C46399F6380AE595388E7@gmail.com> <0204EA21-D43D-48BD-8F88-F5125EE78EB6@me.com>

Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Can I downgrade my install somehow? I have 6 VMs built (but 4 running) on this server right now; if it's a headache I'd probably just tell them to buy > it so we can expand later. You shouldn't need to. Fully-licensed ESXi is *exactly* the same software-wise as the free version. What license key you apply to the machine just unlocks certain features. You should be able to keep the VMs running and just apply the key and be done with it. The "Eval Mode" nag will disappear and you'll be set. > I've had a hard time finding a good comparison between ESX and ESXi. There is no ESX anymore - they've moved to ESXi only for their server virtualization product. > I didn't download the installer or ISO From the site, I used a torrent but did *not* try to keygen or crack it. All I can see from the ISO is that it's called > VMVisor5.iso. Fail. Sorry, don't do that. I'd be suspect of your install. Who knows what was added to or removed from the OS from a not-so-trustworthy source. If I were you, I'd shut down the 6 VMs, copy them off of the server, re-install with ESXi downloaded from VMware directly, then copy the VMs back onto the server. -Erik From trnja001 at umn.edu Fri Mar 23 15:26:14 2012 From: trnja001 at umn.edu (trnja001 at umn.edu) Date: 23 Mar 2012 15:26:14 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Virtual Platform leads In-Reply-To: References: <69CA54C7-77CD-4179-B854-774F6804254D@me.com> Message-ID: Ryan, With the release of vSphere 5 (the newest version), ESX no longer exists and ESXi is the main hypervisor going forward. The difference between the two is that ESX existed long before ESXi and had something called a service console (later versions based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux) that it used for management and other things while ESXi does not have the service console and allows for complete remote management. Since vSphere 4, there were no major feature differences between the two and as of vSphere 5, ESX is no longer updated to keep up with new features. In terms of feature levels, there are no different versions of ESXi to install as it's all controlled by the license key you apply. When you install ESXi, you get a 60 day evaluation of the full featured product at the "Enterprise Plus" license level. To take advantage of all of those features, you need vCenter (or Virtual Center as some people still call it) which comes in two versions; a Windows application (requiring either commonly SQL Server or an Oracle db) or a Linux-based virtual appliance. The virtual appliance has a web client for management of vCenter, the ESXi hosts, and virtual machines, or you can use the "vSphere Client" which is a Windows application, for the same purpose. The vSphere Client is required if you're going to configure/manage a single ESXi host. The vSphere Client can only connect to one ESXi host at a time, however you can open up as many instances of the client as you want. In the bottom of right corner of the client when it's connected to an ESXi host or vCenter server, it will say the days remaining in the evaluation license. If you do not want or need the features the paid versions of ESXi and vCenter give you, you can go to the web site linked by Erik Anderson below to get a free license key to allow you to run ESXi legally. All you would need to do is enter the key into the licensing portion of the vSphere Client when connected to an ESXi host and it will apply immediately. Using a keygen to get a license key and piracy in general, isn't recommended. I recommend reinstalling ESXi on that host from an ISO you get from the VMware web site as you can't always tell how that ISO may have been altered. If you are interested in purchasing vSphere and can guess the virtualization needs for the near future, let me know as I could help explain some of the bundles and license levels aimed at small and medium sized organizations that could potentially save some money over going the standard way of purchasing the products. If your needs are very basic, I'd recommend VMware Workstation over the free "vSphere Hypervisor" as that may be more easy to manage for some people. On Mar 23 2012, Ryan Coleman wrote: I guess I need some serious direction here... I don't know how little time is left on my 60-day trial - my normal functioning desktop is not at the moment and I'm stuck at DFW. > Can I downgrade my install somehow? I have 6 VMs built (but 4 running) on this server right now; if it's a headache I'd probably just tell them to buy it so we can expand later. > >I've had a hard time finding a good comparison between ESX and ESXi. > I didn't download the installer or ISO From the site, I used a torrent but did *not* try to keygen or crack it. All I can see from the ISO is that it's called VMVisor5.iso. > >Oh, here we go: ESXI-5.0.0-441354-STANDARD. > >Thanks, >Ryan > >On Mar 21, 2012, at 4:22 PM, Erik Anderson wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: >>> >>> Where can I find that info? >> >> I guess instead of calling it ESXi now, they're calling it the "VMware >> vSphere Hypervisor": >> >> https://www.vmware.com/tryvmware/index.php?p=free-esxi5&lp=default >> >> VMware's website is notoriously difficult to navigate, but after >> signing into your account there, you should be able to go to the above >> link and find a license key on the "License and Downloads" tab. >> >> -Erik >> _______________________________________________ From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Tue Mar 27 18:21:52 2012 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:21:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Developing games with Pygame @PenguinsUnbound.com March 31 Message-ID: <4F724B90.1050809@Goecke-Dolan.com> This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be Saturday March 31st at TIES, 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 from 10:00am to 12:00pm (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more info.) Developing Linux games with Pygame. Pygame a python framework that uses SDL for drawing things to the screen. He will talk about packaging the games for Debian/Ubuntu, as well as deploying to mobile devices such as Android. Presented by Stephen Fluin Hope to see you there! ==>brian. *** STREAMING *** If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting. mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 You should be able to connect with either: mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 or vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Fri Mar 30 02:51:19 2012 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 02:51:19 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux and Android Cross-platform Development @PenguinsUnbound.com March 31 Meeting Message-ID: <4F7565F7.2070005@Goecke-Dolan.com> This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be Saturday March 31st at TIES, 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 from 10:00am to 12:00pm (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more info.) Linux and Android Cross-platform Development There are several currently available tools that allow developers to write one and run on both Linux and Android. I'll walk through two of these (Pygame and LibGDX). Pygame a python framework that uses SDL for drawing things to the screen. We will talk about packaging the games for Debian/Ubuntu, as well as deploying to smartphones and tablets running Android. Presented by Stephen Fluin ==>brian. *** STREAMING *** If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting. mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 You should be able to connect with either: mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 or vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800