From erikerik at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 08:43:35 2012
From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 08:43:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] IPv6
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On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Jima <jima at beer.tclug.org> wrote:
> Please keep your politics and/or religious spamming off our technical
> mailing list, unless you want a purely technical conversation on the
> subject.

Agreed, or the mod bit at the very least.

-Erik

From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Thu Nov  1 18:03:41 2012
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 18:03:41 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] boot specific OS
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9CF6JWgHJzGHZWAzqqsZ=5xjfP0xJgfxeJu54bQaSHbrQ@mail.gmail.com>

is there a command available to bash to reboot into a particular OS,
different from the default, or do i have to edit the grub config?

From sraun at fireopal.org  Fri Nov  2 14:52:29 2012
From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 14:52:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Shell Training
Message-ID: <20121102195229.GB14968@fireopal.org>

I'm in search of some self-training on Unix shell command line stuff -
what I think of as intermediate to expert single command lines, and
intermediate to expert shell scripting.

I'm living in bash and zsh.

Any suggestions for either books or on-line tutorials?

-- 
Scott Raun
sraun at fireopal.org

From kc0iog at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 21:52:16 2012
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 21:52:16 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] boot specific OS
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On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 6:03 PM, gregrwm <tclug1 at whitleymott.net> wrote:
> is there a command available to bash to reboot into a particular OS,
> different from the default, or do i have to edit the grub config?

You need to edit the grub config.  I used to have a slick little
script to do this, it read in the OS list and then based on input used
sed to change the default OS for the next reboot.  Unfortunately that
box is long gone and hence my script, otherwise I would share.

Brian

From chrome at real-time.com  Sat Nov  3 07:48:42 2012
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 08:48:42 -0400
Subject: [tclug-list] Shell Training
In-Reply-To: <20121102195229.GB14968@fireopal.org>
References: <20121102195229.GB14968@fireopal.org>
Message-ID: <20121103124842.GQ493@real-time.com>

On 11/02 02:52 , Scott Raun wrote:
> Any suggestions for either books or on-line tutorials?

Have you looked at the Advanced Bash Scripting guide?

http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/

-- 
Carl Soderstrom
Systems Administrator
Real-Time Enterprises
www.real-time.com

From sraun at fireopal.org  Sat Nov  3 14:46:38 2012
From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 14:46:38 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Shell Training
In-Reply-To: <20121103124842.GQ493@real-time.com>
References: <20121102195229.GB14968@fireopal.org>
	<20121103124842.GQ493@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20121103194638.GA22275@fireopal.org>

On Sat, Nov 03, 2012 at 08:48:42AM -0400, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote:
> On 11/02 02:52 , Scott Raun wrote:
> > Any suggestions for either books or on-line tutorials?
> 
> Have you looked at the Advanced Bash Scripting guide?
> 
> http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/

Haven't seen it before, will definitely look into it!

-- 
Scott Raun
sraun at fireopal.org

From blj at umn.edu  Sat Nov  3 15:23:22 2012
From: blj at umn.edu (Brian Johnson)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 15:23:22 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] boot specific OS
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9CF6JWgHJzGHZWAzqqsZ=5xjfP0xJgfxeJu54bQaSHbrQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9CF6JWgHJzGHZWAzqqsZ=5xjfP0xJgfxeJu54bQaSHbrQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <651B1E31-1664-48EA-AE97-303D01A4ABCE@umn.edu>

grub-reboot will let you specify an alternate default OS.


On Nov 1, 2012, at 6:03 PM, gregrwm <tclug1 at whitleymott.net> wrote:

> is there a command available to bash to reboot into a particular OS,
> different from the default, or do i have to edit the grub config?
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Sat Nov  3 16:18:37 2012
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 16:18:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] vlc eggfaced
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9BB8fYMgAAOg8Tw99mZn-8mbn2RNLY8OYcATx=Q-9gsEw@mail.gmail.com>

eek.  natty's eol.  and the last natty firefox update was sick.  so, i
was unwittingly motivated, time to jump to quantal.  after the jump,
quantal vlc was hosed.  well shucks, i figured, perhaps quantal is too
bleeding edge.  so i tried maya.  you know, since i'm installing
*again*, might as well see what the mint buzz is all about.  mint 13
xfce vlc worked great on the liveCD, and worked great after installing
to disc.  but after apt-get upgrade, maya vlc has the same frozen
display that quantal vlc had.  sound works great if you pass a stream
on the vlc commandline, but the vlc display is frozen.  other apps, eg
firefox, are fine.  heck.  could this force my hand to try LMDE?  is
ubuntu losing whatever quality process it may have had previously?  or
is distrohopping just being silly, perhaps it's just vlc's problem,
perhaps i shouldn't blame ubuntu.  i guess i'm uninterested in testing
at this stage, i just want stuff that works, and isn't eol.  is that
unfair?  thoughts?

From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 17:19:24 2012
From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 17:19:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] vlc eggfaced
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9BB8fYMgAAOg8Tw99mZn-8mbn2RNLY8OYcATx=Q-9gsEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9BB8fYMgAAOg8Tw99mZn-8mbn2RNLY8OYcATx=Q-9gsEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACEdYO3_O0xjT37VssyjW8Yrxj9quiJcoHJzKuj39wp-gOVJrQ@mail.gmail.com>

What kind of hardware are you working with? Perhaps these VLC packages
are by default configured to use hardware encoding and more work is
needed to get it working (whether it be with VLC or a driver / library
issue with your video card).

On another note, LMDE has been great. I haven't yet fully installed it
(been using the live iso), but I can attest that rolling releases have
their perks (been using Arch Linux for about 10 years) for keeping
things up to date and more streamlined. However, my personal
preference would be to figure out what the problem is first before
hopping distros- VLC is still VLC, pre-configured and sometimes
patched differently depending on the distro being used.

Feel free to post more insight on the hardware on TCLUG, others might
have had the same issue- I'd also check the community forum for Mint,
they are very helpful with problems and I have solved a few quickly by
searching without having to make a new thread.

Good luck,

Jay

On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 4:18 PM, gregrwm <tclug1 at whitleymott.net> wrote:
>
> eek.  natty's eol.  and the last natty firefox update was sick.  so, i
> was unwittingly motivated, time to jump to quantal.  after the jump,
> quantal vlc was hosed.  well shucks, i figured, perhaps quantal is too
> bleeding edge.  so i tried maya.  you know, since i'm installing
> *again*, might as well see what the mint buzz is all about.  mint 13
> xfce vlc worked great on the liveCD, and worked great after installing
> to disc.  but after apt-get upgrade, maya vlc has the same frozen
> display that quantal vlc had.  sound works great if you pass a stream
> on the vlc commandline, but the vlc display is frozen.  other apps, eg
> firefox, are fine.  heck.  could this force my hand to try LMDE?  is
> ubuntu losing whatever quality process it may have had previously?  or
> is distrohopping just being silly, perhaps it's just vlc's problem,
> perhaps i shouldn't blame ubuntu.  i guess i'm uninterested in testing
> at this stage, i just want stuff that works, and isn't eol.  is that
> unfair?  thoughts?
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Sat Nov  3 18:02:04 2012
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 18:02:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] vlc eggfaced
In-Reply-To: <CACEdYO3_O0xjT37VssyjW8Yrxj9quiJcoHJzKuj39wp-gOVJrQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9BB8fYMgAAOg8Tw99mZn-8mbn2RNLY8OYcATx=Q-9gsEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACEdYO3_O0xjT37VssyjW8Yrxj9quiJcoHJzKuj39wp-gOVJrQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9Di_Ns8HCwEbFrz4hveUQ3O6bRuLaX7xjTJbH52x2ebRA@mail.gmail.com>

vlc has always "just worked" for me before (including on maya *before* i
did an apt-get upgrade!) so perhaps i am ignorant of display hardware
issues.  below are what's shown by maya->systeminfo->display, and lsmod, do
those tell you anything?

maya->systeminfo->display
-Display-
Resolution        : 1024x768 pixels
Vendor        : The X.Org Foundation
Version        : 1.11.3
-Monitors-
Monitor 0        : 1024x768 pixels
-Extensions-
BIG-REQUESTS
Composite
DAMAGE
DOUBLE-BUFFER
DPMS
DRI2
GLX
Generic Event Extension
MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
MIT-SHM
RANDR
RECORD
RENDER
SECURITY
SGI-GLX
SHAPE
SYNC
X-Resource
XC-MISC
XFIXES
XFree86-DGA
XFree86-VidModeExtension
XINERAMA
XInputExtension
XKEYBOARD
XTEST
XVideo
-OpenGL-
Vendor        : Tungsten Graphics, Inc
Renderer        : Mesa DRI Intel(R) 915G x86/MMX/SSE2
Version        : 1.4 Mesa 8.0.4
Direct Rendering        : Yes

$  lsmod|sort
 3c59x                  37445  0
 binfmt_misc            17292  1
 bluetooth             158438  10 rfcomm,bnep
 bnep                   17830  2
 btrfs                 638208  0
 dm_crypt               22528  0
 dm_log                 18193  3 dm_raid45,dm_mirror,dm_region_hash
 dm_mirror              21822  0
 dm_multipath           22710  0
 dm_raid45              76451  0
 dm_region_hash         16065  1 dm_mirror
 e100                   36289  0
 fat                    55605  1 vfat
 floppy                 60310  0
 hid                    77367  2 hid_a4tech,usbhid
 hid_a4tech             12590  0
 i2c_piix4              13093  0
 isofs                  39553  1
 jfs                   175085  0
 libcrc32c              12543  1 btrfs
 lp                     17455  0
 mac_hid                13077  0
 Module                  Size  Used by
 nls_utf8               12493  1
 overlayfs              27511  1
 parport                40930  3 ppdev,parport_pc,lp
 parport_pc             32114  1
 ppdev                  12849  0
 psmouse                87140  0
 reiserfs              230896  0
 rfcomm                 38139  4
 serio_raw              13027  0
 shpchp                 32325  0
 snd                    62064  15
snd_es18xx,snd_pcm,snd_opl3_lib,snd_hwdep,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
 snd_es18xx             34433  3
 snd_hwdep              13276  1 snd_opl3_lib
 snd_mpu401_uart        13865  1 snd_es18xx
 snd_opl3_lib           18863  1 snd_es18xx
 snd_page_alloc         14115  1 snd_pcm
 snd_pcm                80845  1 snd_es18xx
 snd_rawmidi            25424  2 snd_mpu401_uart,snd_seq_midi
 snd_seq                51567  2 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
 snd_seq_device         14172  4
snd_opl3_lib,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
 snd_seq_midi           13132  0
 snd_seq_midi_event     14475  1 snd_seq_midi
 snd_timer              28931  3 snd_pcm,snd_opl3_lib,snd_seq
 soundcore              14635  1 snd
 squashfs               36095  1
 tulip                  52487  0
 usbhid                 41906  0
 vfat                   17308  0
 xfs                   747494  0
 xor                    25987  1 dm_raid45
 zlib_deflate           26622  1 btrfs
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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Sat Nov  3 19:12:24 2012
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 19:12:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] boot specific OS
In-Reply-To: <651B1E31-1664-48EA-AE97-303D01A4ABCE@umn.edu>
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>grub-reboot - set the .. boot entry for GRUB, for the next boot only

yup, that's what i was looking for, ty!
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From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 19:23:04 2012
From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 19:23:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] vlc eggfaced
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	<CAD+dB9Di_Ns8HCwEbFrz4hveUQ3O6bRuLaX7xjTJbH52x2ebRA@mail.gmail.com>
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Looks like an Intel GPU- I primarily use NVIDIA, however I haven't had
issues using accelerated video with a bootable Linux thumb drive and
Intel GPUs in the past (ATI is the pits for this in Linux). So, good
news for the hardware.

I would try turning off acceleration altogether within VLC:
In the options, go to Video > uncheck Accelerated Video output (overlay)
Also, under Input & Codecs > uncheck Use GPU accelerated encoding
(this is usually off by default and should stay off because it's a bit
buggy for most cards).

If these are both unchecked (unlikely for the first), maybe try
enabling the first one. If no acceleration works, it's probably your
video card drivers or X configuration. Otherwise I'd say look at how
the package is compiled (which options were compiled in), depending on
how comfortable you are at looking at package build files. My vote is
on X org config / drivers ;-)

--
Jeremy MountainJohnson
Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com


On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 6:02 PM, gregrwm <tclug1 at whitleymott.net> wrote:
> vlc has always "just worked" for me before (including on maya *before* i did
> an apt-get upgrade!) so perhaps i am ignorant of display hardware issues.
> below are what's shown by maya->systeminfo->display, and lsmod, do those
> tell you anything?
>
> maya->systeminfo->display
> -Display-
> Resolution        : 1024x768 pixels
> Vendor        : The X.Org Foundation
> Version        : 1.11.3
> -Monitors-
> Monitor 0        : 1024x768 pixels
> -Extensions-
> BIG-REQUESTS
> Composite
> DAMAGE
> DOUBLE-BUFFER
> DPMS
> DRI2
> GLX
> Generic Event Extension
> MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
> MIT-SHM
> RANDR
> RECORD
> RENDER
> SECURITY
> SGI-GLX
> SHAPE
> SYNC
> X-Resource
> XC-MISC
> XFIXES
> XFree86-DGA
> XFree86-VidModeExtension
> XINERAMA
> XInputExtension
> XKEYBOARD
> XTEST
> XVideo
> -OpenGL-
> Vendor        : Tungsten Graphics, Inc
> Renderer        : Mesa DRI Intel(R) 915G x86/MMX/SSE2
> Version        : 1.4 Mesa 8.0.4
> Direct Rendering        : Yes
>
> $  lsmod|sort
>  3c59x                  37445  0
>  binfmt_misc            17292  1
>  bluetooth             158438  10 rfcomm,bnep
>  bnep                   17830  2
>  btrfs                 638208  0
>  dm_crypt               22528  0
>  dm_log                 18193  3 dm_raid45,dm_mirror,dm_region_hash
>  dm_mirror              21822  0
>  dm_multipath           22710  0
>  dm_raid45              76451  0
>  dm_region_hash         16065  1 dm_mirror
>  e100                   36289  0
>  fat                    55605  1 vfat
>  floppy                 60310  0
>  hid                    77367  2 hid_a4tech,usbhid
>  hid_a4tech             12590  0
>  i2c_piix4              13093  0
>  isofs                  39553  1
>  jfs                   175085  0
>  libcrc32c              12543  1 btrfs
>  lp                     17455  0
>  mac_hid                13077  0
>  Module                  Size  Used by
>  nls_utf8               12493  1
>  overlayfs              27511  1
>  parport                40930  3 ppdev,parport_pc,lp
>  parport_pc             32114  1
>  ppdev                  12849  0
>  psmouse                87140  0
>  reiserfs              230896  0
>  rfcomm                 38139  4
>  serio_raw              13027  0
>  shpchp                 32325  0
>  snd                    62064  15
> snd_es18xx,snd_pcm,snd_opl3_lib,snd_hwdep,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
>  snd_es18xx             34433  3
>  snd_hwdep              13276  1 snd_opl3_lib
>  snd_mpu401_uart        13865  1 snd_es18xx
>  snd_opl3_lib           18863  1 snd_es18xx
>  snd_page_alloc         14115  1 snd_pcm
>  snd_pcm                80845  1 snd_es18xx
>  snd_rawmidi            25424  2 snd_mpu401_uart,snd_seq_midi
>  snd_seq                51567  2 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
>  snd_seq_device         14172  4
> snd_opl3_lib,snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
>  snd_seq_midi           13132  0
>  snd_seq_midi_event     14475  1 snd_seq_midi
>  snd_timer              28931  3 snd_pcm,snd_opl3_lib,snd_seq
>  soundcore              14635  1 snd
>  squashfs               36095  1
>  tulip                  52487  0
>  usbhid                 41906  0
>  vfat                   17308  0
>  xfs                   747494  0
>  xor                    25987  1 dm_raid45
>  zlib_deflate           26622  1 btrfs
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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>

From j at packetgod.com  Sat Nov  3 18:32:15 2012
From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 18:32:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] vlc eggfaced
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9Di_Ns8HCwEbFrz4hveUQ3O6bRuLaX7xjTJbH52x2ebRA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9BB8fYMgAAOg8Tw99mZn-8mbn2RNLY8OYcATx=Q-9gsEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACEdYO3_O0xjT37VssyjW8Yrxj9quiJcoHJzKuj39wp-gOVJrQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD+dB9Di_Ns8HCwEbFrz4hveUQ3O6bRuLaX7xjTJbH52x2ebRA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADr-735n4tndMUe3Zc+X9bWYEw51bzjPziiWGRGNpWiqZwJokA@mail.gmail.com>

Just a note, newer versions of VLC do not work on my older hardware
systems, downgrading VLC worked.  My newer systems have had no issues.

I'm mobile right now so don't have specific hardware or versions handy,
 also interesting is it was exactly the same when I booted into Windows.

--j



On Saturday, November 3, 2012, gregrwm wrote:

> vlc has always "just worked" for me before (including on maya *before* i
> did an apt-get upgrade!) so perhaps i am ignorant of display hardware
> issues.  below are what's shown by maya->systeminfo->display, and lsmod, do
> those tell you anything?
>
> maya->systeminfo->display
> -Display-
> Resolution        : 1024x768 pixels
> Vendor        : The X.Org Foundation
> Version        : 1.11.3
> -Monitors-
> Monitor 0        : 1024x768 pixels
> -Extensions-
> BIG-REQUESTS
> Composite
> DAMAGE
> DOUBLE-BUFFER
> DPMS
> DRI2
> GLX
> Generic Event Extension
> MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
> MIT-SHM
> RANDR
> RECORD
> RENDER
> SECURITY
> SGI-GLX
> SHAPE
> SYNC
> X-Resource
> XC-MISC
> XFIXES
> XFree86-DGA
> XFree86-VidModeExtension
> XINERAMA
> XInputExtension
> XKEYBOARD
> XTEST
> XVideo
> -OpenGL-
> Vendor        : Tungsten Graphics, Inc
> Renderer        : Mesa DRI Intel(R) 915G x86/MMX/SSE2
> Version        : 1.4 Mesa 8.0.4
> Direct Rendering        : Yes
>
> $  lsmod|sort
>  3c59x                  37445  0
>  binfmt_misc            17292  1
>  bluetooth             158438  10 rfcomm,bnep
>  bnep                   17830  2
>  btrfs                 638208  0
>  dm_crypt               22528  0
>  dm_log                 18193  3 dm_raid45,dm_mirror,dm_region_hash
>  dm_mirror              21822  0
>  dm_multipath           22710  0
>  dm_raid45              76451  0
>  dm_region_hash         16065  1 dm_mirror
>  e100                   36289  0
>  fat                    55605  1 vfat
>  floppy                 60310  0
>  hid                    77367  2 hid_a4tech,usbhid
>  hid_a4tech             12590  0
>  i2c_piix4              13093  0
>  isofs                  39553  1
>  jfs                   175085  0
>  libcrc32c              12543  1 btrfs
>  lp                     17455  0
>  mac_hid                13077  0
>  Module                  Size  Used by
>  nls_utf8               12493  1
>  overlayfs              27511  1
>  parport                40930  3 ppdev,parport_pc,lp
>  parport_pc             32114  1
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From bbaptist at iexposure.com  Mon Nov  5 11:17:45 2012
From: bbaptist at iexposure.com (Bret Baptist)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 11:17:45 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] For sale: SuperServer 2026TT-DLR
Message-ID: <5097F4B9.3050207@iexposure.com>

I have one of the 2U Twin Supermicro SuperServers for sale.  It comes 
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already installed.  This is the chassis with 24 SAS/SATA 2.5" drive 
bays, 12 assigned to each node.  We were going to use it for our iSCSI 
setup but it did not actually have a hardware RAID controller.  It would 
be great for any kind of long term storage or highly available FreeNAS 
solution.

We are looking to get $1800, pick up from our Minneapolis office is 
available.

Here are some links to details and pictures of the device.
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From stuporglue at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 20:57:10 2012
From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 20:57:10 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Any recommendations for a good laptop?
Message-ID: <CAFE18KXDQF5cyeQaRLc+=0noNqkR9XQWJFTBTDHZ77WhkERucA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking for a good PC laptop. I currently have an order in with
Lenovo for a W530, but they say it's going to take 3 months to ship.
If I can find something comparable I'll cancel my order with them.

The Thinkpad was $1450 and I've got a firm max budget of $1500. I'm
eligible for student discounts which might help.

I have 3 must-have features in order of importance:

1) Something Durable
I've had Thinkpads in the past and they seem to take a beating. I
currently have a 1-year old HP Pavilion that you'd think was 90. Some
keys aren't working, the fan is always running at high, and the hinges
have been replaced once under warranty and will need it again soon.

Are there other lines of laptops with good reputations for being
sturdy? Should I just wait it out to get the Thinkpad?

I had to go for the cheap option time and it didn't last. This time
I'd like to buy quality and not need to replace it in 12 months.

2) High resolution screen
The W530 I ordered has a "FHD" (1920x1080) screen. I wouldn't want to go lower.

3) 14-16 inch form factor

Two nice-to-have features:

1) 8 gigs of RAM or more
2) Quad-core i7

And of course, it should be somewhat compatible with Linux. I'm happy
fighting with it if I have to to make it work.

Thanks,
Michael Moore

From kc0iog at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 21:19:27 2012
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 21:19:27 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Any recommendations for a good laptop?
In-Reply-To: <CAFE18KXDQF5cyeQaRLc+=0noNqkR9XQWJFTBTDHZ77WhkERucA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFE18KXDQF5cyeQaRLc+=0noNqkR9XQWJFTBTDHZ77WhkERucA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Michael Moore <stuporglue at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm looking for a good PC laptop. I currently have an order in with
> Lenovo for a W530, but they say it's going to take 3 months to ship.
> If I can find something comparable I'll cancel my order with them.

> 1) Something Durable
> 2) High resolution screen
> 3) 14-16 inch form factor

> 1) 8 gigs of RAM or more
> 2) Quad-core i7

Sounds like you have it figured out.  Lenovo makes a solid laptop.
I've had the pleasure of destroying many brands of laptops, so far the
only two I only remotely thought held up well were the Lenovos and the
old Sony VAIOs (not sure about the new ones, they looks flimsy in
comparison).  I like the Panasonic Toughbooks but they're painfully
expensive and the performance sucks.  They have a sealed case which
means they have to get creative to keep the thing from burning up.

Nothing wrong with Lenovo.  I think based on your specific
requirements your 3 month wait will be well worth it.

Brian

From stuporglue at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 21:31:27 2012
From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 21:31:27 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Any recommendations for a good laptop?
In-Reply-To: <CAB3QoPmn+3C55FxWY+gP_+zdYpDdNi0jt2guVyn9O20Wy8pAhw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFE18KXDQF5cyeQaRLc+=0noNqkR9XQWJFTBTDHZ77WhkERucA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3QoPmn+3C55FxWY+gP_+zdYpDdNi0jt2guVyn9O20Wy8pAhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFE18KWo0CyGJvcvUxJBjC81hBJeQExEHM1kOCcBZTO-ghtBHg@mail.gmail.com>

> so far the
> only two I only remotely thought held up well were the Lenovos and the
> old Sony VAIOs (not sure about the new ones, they looks flimsy in
> comparison).  I like the Panasonic Toughbooks but they're painfully
> expensive and the performance sucks.  They have a sealed case which
> means they have to get creative to keep the thing from burning up.

There's a part of me that wishes I had a job that would justify the
price of a Toughbook. I'll look at the Sony VAIOs, but I vaguely
remember not being impressed with them.

> Nothing wrong with Lenovo.  I think based on your specific
> requirements your 3 month wait will be well worth it.

*sigh* It's going to be a long 3 months...

--
Michael

From mgreenly at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 22:11:45 2012
From: mgreenly at gmail.com (Michael Greenly)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 22:11:45 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Any recommendations for a good laptop?
In-Reply-To: <CAFE18KWo0CyGJvcvUxJBjC81hBJeQExEHM1kOCcBZTO-ghtBHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFE18KXDQF5cyeQaRLc+=0noNqkR9XQWJFTBTDHZ77WhkERucA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAFE18KWo0CyGJvcvUxJBjC81hBJeQExEHM1kOCcBZTO-ghtBHg@mail.gmail.com>
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My last few machines have been Dell Latitudes.  I've been happy with them,
they're built well.  My current machine is an
E6520<http://notebooks.com/2011/07/06/dell-latitude-e6520-review/>
which
fits you're description but they don't seem to be offering it anymore.  I
didn't look to see what replaced it.  In general I have not had any
problems with Linux on Dell machines as long as I pay some attention and
choose machines with intel networking and intel or nvidia graphics.

On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Michael Moore <stuporglue at gmail.com> wrote:

> > so far the
> > only two I only remotely thought held up well were the Lenovos and the
> > old Sony VAIOs (not sure about the new ones, they looks flimsy in
> > comparison).  I like the Panasonic Toughbooks but they're painfully
> > expensive and the performance sucks.  They have a sealed case which
> > means they have to get creative to keep the thing from burning up.
>
> There's a part of me that wishes I had a job that would justify the
> price of a Toughbook. I'll look at the Sony VAIOs, but I vaguely
> remember not being impressed with them.
>
> > Nothing wrong with Lenovo.  I think based on your specific
> > requirements your 3 month wait will be well worth it.
>
> *sigh* It's going to be a long 3 months...
>
> --
> Michael
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From stuporglue at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 07:53:34 2012
From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 07:53:34 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Any recommendations for a good laptop?
In-Reply-To: <CAChQk+PcSpxwShrEnKWAmRP04k3bj76nCq0WewJGef1YWpKqMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFE18KXDQF5cyeQaRLc+=0noNqkR9XQWJFTBTDHZ77WhkERucA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3QoPmn+3C55FxWY+gP_+zdYpDdNi0jt2guVyn9O20Wy8pAhw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFE18KWo0CyGJvcvUxJBjC81hBJeQExEHM1kOCcBZTO-ghtBHg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:11 PM, Michael Greenly <mgreenly at gmail.com> wrote:
> My last few machines have been Dell Latitudes.  I've been happy with them,
> they're built well.  My current machine is an E6520 which fits you're
> description but they don't seem to be offering it anymore.

I've heard some people say that their Dells were well made, but I
think I'd need to actually handle one to be convinced. I used to do
tech support for a group of professors and their Dell laptops were
always in for repairs. It might've been a volume thing and I was
seeing the 1% that had issues, but it still scared me away.

Lenovo sent me an email last night "we would like to inform you the
estimated shipping date for the order is in the week of 11/14/12.
However it?s only an estimated shipping date and the order may ship
out early as well". I guess I'll just wait and hope that their second
estimated ship date is closer to being right than the original date
(which was Feb 13).

-
Michael

From ecrist at secure-computing.net  Fri Nov  9 07:56:37 2012
From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric Crist)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 07:56:37 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Any recommendations for a good laptop?
In-Reply-To: <CAFE18KXDQF5cyeQaRLc+=0noNqkR9XQWJFTBTDHZ77WhkERucA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFE18KXDQF5cyeQaRLc+=0noNqkR9XQWJFTBTDHZ77WhkERucA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5D0DE9BE-ABAF-40D5-B763-EFE62FC5B1C3@secure-computing.net>

I've really enjoyed my Macs.  Even if you don't want to run OS X, you can still but Linux, BSD, or Windows on there with little difficulty.  If the price is too high, there are great deals on refurbished models:

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac

The hardware is a solid performer, and they machines are rugged, especially the unibody models that are standard for the last 3-4 years.
-----
Eric F Crist



On Nov 8, 2012, at 20:57:10, Michael Moore <stuporglue at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm looking for a good PC laptop. I currently have an order in with
> Lenovo for a W530, but they say it's going to take 3 months to ship.
> If I can find something comparable I'll cancel my order with them.
> 
> The Thinkpad was $1450 and I've got a firm max budget of $1500. I'm
> eligible for student discounts which might help.
> 
> I have 3 must-have features in order of importance:
> 
> 1) Something Durable
> I've had Thinkpads in the past and they seem to take a beating. I
> currently have a 1-year old HP Pavilion that you'd think was 90. Some
> keys aren't working, the fan is always running at high, and the hinges
> have been replaced once under warranty and will need it again soon.
> 
> Are there other lines of laptops with good reputations for being
> sturdy? Should I just wait it out to get the Thinkpad?
> 
> I had to go for the cheap option time and it didn't last. This time
> I'd like to buy quality and not need to replace it in 12 months.
> 
> 2) High resolution screen
> The W530 I ordered has a "FHD" (1920x1080) screen. I wouldn't want to go lower.
> 
> 3) 14-16 inch form factor
> 
> Two nice-to-have features:
> 
> 1) 8 gigs of RAM or more
> 2) Quad-core i7
> 
> And of course, it should be somewhat compatible with Linux. I'm happy
> fighting with it if I have to to make it work.
> 
> Thanks,
> Michael Moore
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From stuporglue at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 08:05:20 2012
From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 08:05:20 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Any recommendations for a good laptop?
In-Reply-To: <5D0DE9BE-ABAF-40D5-B763-EFE62FC5B1C3@secure-computing.net>
References: <CAFE18KXDQF5cyeQaRLc+=0noNqkR9XQWJFTBTDHZ77WhkERucA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5D0DE9BE-ABAF-40D5-B763-EFE62FC5B1C3@secure-computing.net>
Message-ID: <CAFE18KVC4akGfvd04gLYStOu=MniiaJUD6BtcdQ_59VwOaM9bA@mail.gmail.com>

> I've really enjoyed my Macs.  Even if you don't want to run OS X, you can still but Linux, BSD, or Windows on there with little difficulty.  If the price is too high, there are great deals on refurbished models:
>
> http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac
>
> The hardware is a solid performer, and they machines are rugged, especially the unibody models that are standard for the last 3-4 years.

I used to be a Mac guy, and actually got into Linux with Yellow Dog
Linux on a G3 iBook because Gimp didn't run (or didn't run well) on
OSX way back when.

A Macbook Pro was a contender this time around, but the only model
that's in my budget is the 13 inch. That's a little smaller than I
want, and it only has 1280x800 resolution. I do think they're made
well though, and recommend them to family and friends.

--
Michael Moore

From sraun at fireopal.org  Fri Nov  9 08:51:39 2012
From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 08:51:39 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Any recommendations for a good laptop?
In-Reply-To: <CAChQk+PcSpxwShrEnKWAmRP04k3bj76nCq0WewJGef1YWpKqMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFE18KXDQF5cyeQaRLc+=0noNqkR9XQWJFTBTDHZ77WhkERucA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20121109145139.GA4733@fireopal.org>

I'll concur with this - Dell has two very builds.  The consumer
laptops are fragile, the business laptops are nice and durable.

On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 10:11:45PM -0600, Michael Greenly wrote:
> My last few machines have been Dell Latitudes.  I've been happy with them,
> they're built well.  My current machine is an
> E6520<http://notebooks.com/2011/07/06/dell-latitude-e6520-review/>
> which
> fits you're description but they don't seem to be offering it anymore.  I
> didn't look to see what replaced it.  In general I have not had any
> problems with Linux on Dell machines as long as I pay some attention and
> choose machines with intel networking and intel or nvidia graphics.
> 
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Michael Moore <stuporglue at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > > so far the
> > > only two I only remotely thought held up well were the Lenovos and the
> > > old Sony VAIOs (not sure about the new ones, they looks flimsy in
> > > comparison).  I like the Panasonic Toughbooks but they're painfully
> > > expensive and the performance sucks.  They have a sealed case which
> > > means they have to get creative to keep the thing from burning up.
> >
> > There's a part of me that wishes I had a job that would justify the
> > price of a Toughbook. I'll look at the Sony VAIOs, but I vaguely
> > remember not being impressed with them.
> >
> > > Nothing wrong with Lenovo.  I think based on your specific
> > > requirements your 3 month wait will be well worth it.
> >
> > *sigh* It's going to be a long 3 months...
> >
> > --
> > Michael
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Michael Greenly
> http://logic-refinery.com

> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


-- 
Scott Raun
sraun at fireopal.org

From dan_gawarecki at datacard.com  Fri Nov  9 13:27:36 2012
From: dan_gawarecki at datacard.com (Dan Gawarecki)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 13:27:36 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Any recommendations for a good laptop?
Message-ID: <4835373F9893BF45BF3AD6612B78939813E92AE715@EXCMS.corporate.datacard.com>

I have always enjoyed IBM/Lenovo ThinkPads (started with a "60" in last century), although the T410/T420/W520 seem a little less "stiff" in their LCD frame.  The W520 has had a problem for us in that their "combo" USB port doesn't seem to handle v2.0 devices.  The "v2.0 only" USB port that is provided works fine.

I've been wishing for a W530 myself, mainly because it's their first machine that will handle 32GB and also RAID 0 with 7200 RPM drives.  Along with nicer video graphics, this bumps the price to almost $2500 though.

I've bough Sony Vaios for 2 college age children, the most recent was last summer.  Both seemed solid enough for the price (around $800-900 if I remember correctly).

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Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 15:53:55 -0700
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> I'll concur with this - Dell has two very builds.  The consumer
> laptops are fragile, the business laptops are nice and durable.
>
> On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 10:11:45PM -0600, Michael Greenly wrote:
>> My last few machines have been Dell Latitudes.  I've been happy with
>> them,
>> they're built well.  My current machine is an
>> E6520<http://notebooks.com/2011/07/06/dell-latitude-e6520-review/>
>> which
>> fits you're description but they don't seem to be offering it anymore.
>> I
>> didn't look to see what replaced it.  In general I have not had any
>> problems with Linux on Dell machines as long as I pay some attention and
>> choose machines with intel networking and intel or nvidia graphics.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Michael Moore <stuporglue at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > > so far the
>> > > only two I only remotely thought held up well were the Lenovos and
>> the
>> > > old Sony VAIOs (not sure about the new ones, they looks flimsy in
>> > > comparison).  I like the Panasonic Toughbooks but they're painfully
>> > > expensive and the performance sucks.  They have a sealed case which
>> > > means they have to get creative to keep the thing from burning up.
>> >
>> > There's a part of me that wishes I had a job that would justify the
>> > price of a Toughbook. I'll look at the Sony VAIOs, but I vaguely
>> > remember not being impressed with them.
>> >
>> > > Nothing wrong with Lenovo.  I think based on your specific
>> > > requirements your 3 month wait will be well worth it.
>> >
>> > *sigh* It's going to be a long 3 months...
>> >
>> > --
>> > Michael
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Michael Greenly
>> http://logic-refinery.com
>
>> _______________________________________________
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> --
> Scott Raun
> sraun at fireopal.org
>
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What about system 76 laptops ?


From stuporglue at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 20:02:31 2012
From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 20:02:31 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 95, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <0dcd14a038cfbdcacd31c9efa22fc3e6.squirrel@www.ron-l-j.com>
References: <mailman.1.1352484001.9031.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<0dcd14a038cfbdcacd31c9efa22fc3e6.squirrel@www.ron-l-j.com>
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>>> > There's a part of me that wishes I had a job that would justify the
>>> > price of a Toughbook. I'll look at the Sony VAIOs, but I vaguely
>>> > remember not being impressed with them.
>>> >
>>> > > Nothing wrong with Lenovo.  I think based on your specific
>>> > > requirements your 3 month wait will be well worth it.

> What about system 76 laptops ?

Good question. I forgot about System76. Does anyone have experience
with System76? How is their quality?

Their Gazelle Professional has similar tech specs as the Thinkpad W530
and costs a few hundred less.

If I would've remembered them I probably would've at least searched
around for reviews.

-
Michael

From mgreenly at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 20:58:56 2012
From: mgreenly at gmail.com (Michael Greenly)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 20:58:56 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 95, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <CAFE18KWiXo92nnqCx+oAjCZoPPe7Nfx7mnCoOnREoaQCNwSEpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1352484001.9031.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
	<0dcd14a038cfbdcacd31c9efa22fc3e6.squirrel@www.ron-l-j.com>
	<CAFE18KWiXo92nnqCx+oAjCZoPPe7Nfx7mnCoOnREoaQCNwSEpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAChQk+O+Ss1VdfFiwNRcS0+fSuKHSuXZKThj_dVvscOhKXZrSw@mail.gmail.com>

I can say there customer service is great.  Prior to my current machine I
purchased one from them.  It worked great and was built well but I was
really unhappy with the keyboard layout.  If you cycle through the photos
just under the banner <https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/gazp8> you
can see a close up of the number pad on the keyboard.  I found it really
awkward.  They stood by their, no questions asked 30 day money
back guarantee, without any hassles at all.

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Michael Moore <stuporglue at gmail.com> wrote:

> >>> > There's a part of me that wishes I had a job that would justify the
> >>> > price of a Toughbook. I'll look at the Sony VAIOs, but I vaguely
> >>> > remember not being impressed with them.
> >>> >
> >>> > > Nothing wrong with Lenovo.  I think based on your specific
> >>> > > requirements your 3 month wait will be well worth it.
>
> > What about system 76 laptops ?
>
> Good question. I forgot about System76. Does anyone have experience
> with System76? How is their quality?
>
> Their Gazelle Professional has similar tech specs as the Thinkpad W530
> and costs a few hundred less.
>
> If I would've remembered them I probably would've at least searched
> around for reviews.
>
> -
> Michael
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



-- 
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From ron at ron-l-j.com  Fri Nov  9 22:23:48 2012
From: ron at ron-l-j.com (ron at ron-l-j.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 21:23:48 -0700
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 95, Issue 9 Linux laptops
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> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 13:27:36 -0600
> From: Dan Gawarecki <dan_gawarecki at datacard.com>
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> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Any recommendations for a good laptop?
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> I have always enjoyed IBM/Lenovo ThinkPads (started with a "60" in last
> century), although the T410/T420/W520 seem a little less "stiff" in their
> LCD frame.  The W520 has had a problem for us in that their "combo" USB
> port doesn't seem to handle v2.0 devices.  The "v2.0 only" USB port that
> is provided works fine.
>
> I've been wishing for a W530 myself, mainly because it's their first
> machine that will handle 32GB and also RAID 0 with 7200 RPM drives.  Along
> with nicer video graphics, this bumps the price to almost $2500 though.
>
> I've bough Sony Vaios for 2 college age children, the most recent was last
> summer.  Both seemed solid enough for the price (around $800-900 if I
> remember correctly).
>
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>>    1. Re: Any recommendations for a good laptop? (Scott Raun)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 08:51:39 -0600
>> From: Scott Raun <sraun at fireopal.org>
>> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Any recommendations for a good laptop?
>> Message-ID: <20121109145139.GA4733 at fireopal.org>
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>> I'll concur with this - Dell has two very builds.  The consumer
>> laptops are fragile, the business laptops are nice and durable.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 10:11:45PM -0600, Michael Greenly wrote:
>>> My last few machines have been Dell Latitudes.  I've been happy with
>>> them,
>>> they're built well.  My current machine is an
>>> E6520<http://notebooks.com/2011/07/06/dell-latitude-e6520-review/>
>>> which
>>> fits you're description but they don't seem to be offering it anymore.
>>> I
>>> didn't look to see what replaced it.  In general I have not had any
>>> problems with Linux on Dell machines as long as I pay some attention
>>> and
>>> choose machines with intel networking and intel or nvidia graphics.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Michael Moore <stuporglue at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > > so far the
>>> > > only two I only remotely thought held up well were the Lenovos and
>>> the
>>> > > old Sony VAIOs (not sure about the new ones, they looks flimsy in
>>> > > comparison).  I like the Panasonic Toughbooks but they're painfully
>>> > > expensive and the performance sucks.  They have a sealed case which
>>> > > means they have to get creative to keep the thing from burning up.
>>> >
>>> > There's a part of me that wishes I had a job that would justify the
>>> > price of a Toughbook. I'll look at the Sony VAIOs, but I vaguely
>>> > remember not being impressed with them.
>>> >
>>> > > Nothing wrong with Lenovo.  I think based on your specific
>>> > > requirements your 3 month wait will be well worth it.
>>> >
>>> > *sigh* It's going to be a long 3 months...
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Michael
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Michael Greenly
>>> http://logic-refinery.com
>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Scott Raun
>> sraun at fireopal.org
>>
>>
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> What about system 76 laptops ?
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 20:02:31 -0600
> From: Michael Moore <stuporglue at gmail.com>
> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 95, Issue 8
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>>>> > There's a part of me that wishes I had a job that would justify the
>>>> > price of a Toughbook. I'll look at the Sony VAIOs, but I vaguely
>>>> > remember not being impressed with them.
>>>> >
>>>> > > Nothing wrong with Lenovo.  I think based on your specific
>>>> > > requirements your 3 month wait will be well worth it.
>
>> What about system 76 laptops ?
>
> Good question. I forgot about System76. Does anyone have experience
> with System76? How is their quality?
>
> Their Gazelle Professional has similar tech specs as the Thinkpad W530
> and costs a few hundred less.
>
> If I would've remembered them I probably would've at least searched
> around for reviews.
>
> -
> Michael
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 20:58:56 -0600
> From: Michael Greenly <mgreenly at gmail.com>
> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 95, Issue 8
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>
> I can say there customer service is great.  Prior to my current machine I
> purchased one from them.  It worked great and was built well but I was
> really unhappy with the keyboard layout.  If you cycle through the photos
> just under the banner <https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/gazp8> you
> can see a close up of the number pad on the keyboard.  I found it really
> awkward.  They stood by their, no questions asked 30 day money
> back guarantee, without any hassles at all.
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Michael Moore <stuporglue at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> >>> > There's a part of me that wishes I had a job that would justify
>> the
>> >>> > price of a Toughbook. I'll look at the Sony VAIOs, but I vaguely
>> >>> > remember not being impressed with them.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > > Nothing wrong with Lenovo.  I think based on your specific
>> >>> > > requirements your 3 month wait will be well worth it.
>>
>> > What about system 76 laptops ?
>>
>> Good question. I forgot about System76. Does anyone have experience
>> with System76? How is their quality?
>>
>> Their Gazelle Professional has similar tech specs as the Thinkpad W530
>> and costs a few hundred less.
>>
>> If I would've remembered them I probably would've at least searched
>> around for reviews.
>>
>> -
>> Michael
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
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The system 76 keyboards look similar to the mac style. I really like short
key travel. I have a couple kinesis boards with good keys but long
vertical travel length. emperor Linux has some really high end laptops.
Has anyone ever used one?  If by chance anyone has some quality
information on learning grub 2 and system D I would appreciate some links.
And on an off topic but on topic note when I pass my Lpic 1 I am thinking
of working with a few people on writing a work book that will prepare
people for the LPIC. The books are not enough to pass in my opinion. I
think that the door for entry into the Linux world is only cracked open to
a few  people. The test is geared for people with a year of Linux admin
experience. Getting that year of admin experience is tough when your
completing your degree and working help desk for a mostly windows
environment. Feedback is appreciated.
,Ron


From eminmn at sysmatrix.net  Sat Nov 10 12:33:06 2012
From: eminmn at sysmatrix.net (Ed C.)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 12:33:06 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Does win 7 64bit play well with Debian Squeeze 64bit?
Message-ID: <509E9DE2.10503@sysmatrix.net>

I installed squeeze along side win 7 enterprise 64bit (after resizing
win 7 partition to be a couple of gigs larger than what it was currently
using) and most things seemed to go as planned except for Debian
recognizing the wifi transceiver (this on a t61 Thinkpad). I do have the
8 dvd Debian distro but I can't use apt-get or aptitude as far as I
know. I need the wifi to work on this machine since I still have only
dial up at home. During install Debian asked for wifi external media to
help with drivers or something but I skipped this step since I don't
have any Lenovo stuff for this system (bought used on Craigslist). Any
suggestions? Grub is on the mbr of the win 7 partition, I think. Also,
what about the dedicated Thinkpad 6 gig partition? Can I mount this? Can
I rededicate it as /user in the Debian file hierarchy after reformatting it?

Thanks,

Ed.

From tclug at freakzilla.com  Sat Nov 10 15:43:08 2012
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 15:43:08 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Does win 7 64bit play well with Debian Squeeze
 64bit?
In-Reply-To: <509E9DE2.10503@sysmatrix.net>
References: <509E9DE2.10503@sysmatrix.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1211101539580.13493@dragon>

Wow, you're kind of all over the place over here, and nothing in your 
message actually asks about Win7 interacting with Linux, so I'm not sure 
what questions you have about that.

You can download drivers for any Lenovo laptop from Lenovo's website, 
perhaps that will help. Debian should be able to read NTFS partitions so 
you can download and save stuff through Windows.

You can probably nuke the thinkpad reserved partition (if Windows isn't 
using it, I'm not 100% sure) and technically you COULD move /usr over 
there, but you obviously can't do that while the system is running. You'd 
have to boot from a live distribution, format (if you haven't done that 
already), copy everything over, and modify your system's /etc/fstab to 
reflect the new location for /usr.



On Sat, 10 Nov 2012, Ed C. wrote:

> I installed squeeze along side win 7 enterprise 64bit (after resizing
> win 7 partition to be a couple of gigs larger than what it was currently
> using) and most things seemed to go as planned except for Debian
> recognizing the wifi transceiver (this on a t61 Thinkpad). I do have the
> 8 dvd Debian distro but I can't use apt-get or aptitude as far as I
> know. I need the wifi to work on this machine since I still have only
> dial up at home. During install Debian asked for wifi external media to
> help with drivers or something but I skipped this step since I don't
> have any Lenovo stuff for this system (bought used on Craigslist). Any
> suggestions? Grub is on the mbr of the win 7 partition, I think. Also,
> what about the dedicated Thinkpad 6 gig partition? Can I mount this? Can
> I rededicate it as /user in the Debian file hierarchy after reformatting it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed.
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Sun Nov 11 06:22:25 2012
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:22:25 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] where is centos6 utc setting?
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9DQhYPxH1MzoTRmuuNVwk5KTf75jptK4G9LRWqeZUh4yQ@mail.gmail.com>

seems ubu based installers generally presume the hardware clock is local
time.  bios screens generally presume that too.

i can find plenty of doc on how to tell centos(6) during install whether
the bios clock is local or utc time, but once installed, how do i change
it?  centos6:/etc/sysconfig/clock doesn't appear to have it.
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From justin.kremer at gmail.com  Sun Nov 11 07:45:09 2012
From: justin.kremer at gmail.com (Justin Kremer)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 07:45:09 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] where is centos6 utc setting?
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9DQhYPxH1MzoTRmuuNVwk5KTf75jptK4G9LRWqeZUh4yQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9DQhYPxH1MzoTRmuuNVwk5KTf75jptK4G9LRWqeZUh4yQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAC3D_tgZYHbemYBgWM=6uiRPpU7DbZzmQyYdn3i0PGyt0e4Pmw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 6:22 AM, gregrwm <tclug1 at whitleymott.net> wrote:

> i can find plenty of doc on how to tell centos(6) during install whether
> the bios clock is local or utc time, but once installed, how do i change
> it?  centos6:/etc/sysconfig/clock doesn't appear to have it.
>
>
I'm not sure about the file to be edited, but what about using date to set
the date/zone
then: hwclock --systohc
That is the method I have used before for fixing time/date issues.
- Justin
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From andyzib at gmail.com  Sun Nov 11 09:12:52 2012
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 09:12:52 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] where is centos6 utc setting?
In-Reply-To: <CAC3D_tgZYHbemYBgWM=6uiRPpU7DbZzmQyYdn3i0PGyt0e4Pmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9DQhYPxH1MzoTRmuuNVwk5KTf75jptK4G9LRWqeZUh4yQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC3D_tgZYHbemYBgWM=6uiRPpU7DbZzmQyYdn3i0PGyt0e4Pmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMh5oVrLaL3tUKQDc+gEUU5wi7BttPZDQaKbrrieDYtDzHjKkg@mail.gmail.com>

Have you tried tzconfig to set your time zone options?

>
Manually:
http://ittips.inoneblog.net/2011/01/08/set-timezone-on-centos/
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From andyzib at gmail.com  Sun Nov 11 09:09:57 2012
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 09:09:57 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] where is centos6 utc setting?
In-Reply-To: <CAC3D_tgZYHbemYBgWM=6uiRPpU7DbZzmQyYdn3i0PGyt0e4Pmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9DQhYPxH1MzoTRmuuNVwk5KTf75jptK4G9LRWqeZUh4yQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC3D_tgZYHbemYBgWM=6uiRPpU7DbZzmQyYdn3i0PGyt0e4Pmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMh5oVqqO0gKyc_POCRX4h19LVgD_DWxMv9qJe0_TN9RYEu9VA@mail.gmail.com>

Have you tried tzconfig to set your time zone options?

>
Manually:
http://ittips.inoneblog.net/2011/01/08/set-timezone-on-centos/
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From cncole at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 11 16:27:08 2012
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:27:08 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 95,
	Issue 9 Linux laptops  DIGEST MODE REPLIES ARE VERY ANNOYING
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Can the digest mode be totally eliminated, since we have folks too
discourteous or too ignorant to properly trim those replies?

 Chuck

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> > Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 13:27:36 -0600
> > From: Dan Gawarecki <dan_gawarecki at datacard.com>
> > To: "tclug-list at mn-linux.org" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Any recommendations for a good laptop?
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> > I have always enjoyed IBM/Lenovo ThinkPads (started with a "60" in
> > last century), although the T410/T420/W520 seem a little
> less "stiff"
> > in their LCD frame.  The W520 has had a problem for us in
> that their
> > "combo" USB port doesn't seem to handle v2.0 devices.  The
> "v2.0 only"
> > USB port that is provided works fine.
> >
> > I've been wishing for a W530 myself, mainly because it's
> their first
> > machine that will handle 32GB and also RAID 0 with 7200 RPM
> drives.
> > Along with nicer video graphics, this bumps the price to
> almost $2500 though.
> >
> > I've bough Sony Vaios for 2 college age children, the most
> recent was
> > last summer.  Both seemed solid enough for the price
> (around $800-900
> > if I remember correctly).
> >
> > +Dan Gawarecki+                            Desk:  (952) 988-1801
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> >>    1. Re: Any recommendations for a good laptop? (Scott Raun)
> >>
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> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 08:51:39 -0600
> >> From: Scott Raun <sraun at fireopal.org>
> >> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Any recommendations for a good laptop?
> >> Message-ID: <20121109145139.GA4733 at fireopal.org>
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> >>
> >> I'll concur with this - Dell has two very builds.  The consumer
> >> laptops are fragile, the business laptops are nice and durable.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 10:11:45PM -0600, Michael Greenly wrote:
> >>> My last few machines have been Dell Latitudes.  I've been
> happy with
> >>> them, they're built well.  My current machine is an
> >>> E6520<http://notebooks.com/2011/07/06/dell-latitude-e6520-review/>
> >>> which
> >>> fits you're description but they don't seem to be
> offering it anymore.
> >>> I
> >>> didn't look to see what replaced it.  In general I have
> not had any
> >>> problems with Linux on Dell machines as long as I pay
> some attention
> >>> and choose machines with intel networking and intel or nvidia
> >>> graphics.
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Michael Moore
> <stuporglue at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > > so far the
> >>> > > only two I only remotely thought held up well were
> the Lenovos
> >>> > > and
> >>> the
> >>> > > old Sony VAIOs (not sure about the new ones, they
> looks flimsy
> >>> > > in comparison).  I like the Panasonic Toughbooks but they're
> >>> > > painfully expensive and the performance sucks.  They have a
> >>> > > sealed case which means they have to get creative to
> keep the thing from burning up.
> >>> >
> >>> > There's a part of me that wishes I had a job that would justify
> >>> > the price of a Toughbook. I'll look at the Sony VAIOs, but I
> >>> > vaguely remember not being impressed with them.
> >>> >
> >>> > > Nothing wrong with Lenovo.  I think based on your specific
> >>> > > requirements your 3 month wait will be well worth it.
> >>> >
> >>> > *sigh* It's going to be a long 3 months...
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > Michael
> >>> > _______________________________________________
> >>> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >>> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >>> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Michael Greenly
> >>> http://logic-refinery.com
> >>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Scott Raun
> >> sraun at fireopal.org
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> > What about system 76 laptops ?
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 20:02:31 -0600
> > From: Michael Moore <stuporglue at gmail.com>
> > To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 95, Issue 8
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> <CAFE18KWiXo92nnqCx+oAjCZoPPe7Nfx7mnCoOnREoaQCNwSEpQ at mail.gmail.com>
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> >
> >>>> > There's a part of me that wishes I had a job that
> would justify
> >>>> > the price of a Toughbook. I'll look at the Sony VAIOs, but I
> >>>> > vaguely remember not being impressed with them.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > > Nothing wrong with Lenovo.  I think based on your specific
> >>>> > > requirements your 3 month wait will be well worth it.
> >
> >> What about system 76 laptops ?
> >
> > Good question. I forgot about System76. Does anyone have experience
> > with System76? How is their quality?
> >
> > Their Gazelle Professional has similar tech specs as the
> Thinkpad W530
> > and costs a few hundred less.
> >
> > If I would've remembered them I probably would've at least searched
> > around for reviews.
> >
> > -
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 20:58:56 -0600
> > From: Michael Greenly <mgreenly at gmail.com>
> > To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 95, Issue 8
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> >
> > I can say there customer service is great.  Prior to my current
> > machine I purchased one from them.  It worked great and was
> built well
> > but I was really unhappy with the keyboard layout.  If you cycle
> > through the photos just under the banner
> > <https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/gazp8> you can see
> a close up
> > of the number pad on the keyboard.  I found it really
> awkward.  They
> > stood by their, no questions asked 30 day money back
> guarantee, without any hassles at all.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Michael Moore <stuporglue at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> >>> > There's a part of me that wishes I had a job that
> would justify
> >> the
> >> >>> > price of a Toughbook. I'll look at the Sony VAIOs, but I
> >> >>> > vaguely remember not being impressed with them.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > > Nothing wrong with Lenovo.  I think based on your specific
> >> >>> > > requirements your 3 month wait will be well worth it.
> >>
> >> > What about system 76 laptops ?
> >>
> >> Good question. I forgot about System76. Does anyone have
> experience
> >> with System76? How is their quality?
> >>
> >> Their Gazelle Professional has similar tech specs as the Thinkpad
> >> W530 and costs a few hundred less.
> >>
> >> If I would've remembered them I probably would've at least
> searched
> >> around for reviews.
> >>
> >> -
> >> Michael
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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> The system 76 keyboards look similar to the mac style. I
> really like short key travel. I have a couple kinesis boards
> with good keys but long vertical travel length. emperor Linux
> has some really high end laptops.
> Has anyone ever used one?  If by chance anyone has some
> quality information on learning grub 2 and system D I would
> appreciate some links.
> And on an off topic but on topic note when I pass my Lpic 1 I
> am thinking of working with a few people on writing a work
> book that will prepare people for the LPIC. The books are not
> enough to pass in my opinion. I think that the door for entry
> into the Linux world is only cracked open to a few  people.
> The test is geared for people with a year of Linux admin
> experience. Getting that year of admin experience is tough
> when your completing your degree and working help desk for a
> mostly windows environment. Feedback is appreciated.
> ,Ron
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From tclug at beitsahour.net  Sun Nov 11 17:53:06 2012
From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 17:53:06 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 95,
 Issue 9 Linux laptops DIGEST MODE REPLIES ARE VERY ANNOYING
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On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Can the digest mode be totally eliminated, since we have folks too
> discourteous or too ignorant to properly trim those replies?

or we could educate people on proper email etiquette. seems less hostile.

From eminmn at sysmatrix.net  Sun Nov 11 17:55:38 2012
From: eminmn at sysmatrix.net (Ed C.)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 17:55:38 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Does win 7 64bit play well with Debian Squeeze
	64bit?
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Fzilla:

Sorry about the scattergun approach. I was trying to provide as much
context as possible for dealing with the main question: why didn't
Debian figure out the Thinkpad wifi requirements? I've installed
slackware, red hat, and a couple of buntu's and the wifi always worked
except when some other drivers were need to support wifi on an external
dongle. The t-61 is a fairly modern device and I would expect the latest
version of Debian to include whatever was needed to support it. I've
downloaded some driver and diagnostic stuff from the Lenovo site before
but I didn't see any linux tarballs there.
The install asked only for dvd's one and two. Is it possible the info I
need is on one of the other ones?

Thanks,

Ed




> Wow, you're kind of all over the place over here, and nothing in your
> message actually asks about Win7 interacting with Linux, so I'm not sure
> what questions you have about that.
> 
> You can download drivers for any Lenovo laptop from Lenovo's website,
> perhaps that will help. Debian should be able to read NTFS partitions so
> you can download and save stuff through Windows.
> 
> You can probably nuke the thinkpad reserved partition (if Windows isn't
> using it, I'm not 100% sure) and technically you COULD move /usr over
> there, but you obviously can't do that while the system is running.
> You'd have to boot from a live distribution, format (if you haven't done
> that already), copy everything over, and modify your system's /etc/fstab
> to reflect the new location for /usr.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012, Ed C. wrote:
> 
>> I installed squeeze along side win 7 enterprise 64bit (after resizing
>> win 7 partition to be a couple of gigs larger than what it was currently
>> using) and most things seemed to go as planned except for Debian
>> recognizing the wifi transceiver (this on a t61 Thinkpad). I do have the
>> 8 dvd Debian distro but I can't use apt-get or aptitude as far as I
>> know. I need the wifi to work on this machine since I still have only
>> dial up at home. During install Debian asked for wifi external media to
>> help with drivers or something but I skipped this step since I don't
>> have any Lenovo stuff for this system (bought used on Craigslist). Any
>> suggestions? Grub is on the mbr of the win 7 partition, I think. Also,
>> what about the dedicated Thinkpad 6 gig partition? Can I mount this? Can
>> I rededicate it as /user in the Debian file hierarchy after
>> reformatting it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ed.
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
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From cncole at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 11 18:35:40 2012
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 18:35:40 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 95,
	Issue 9 Linux laptops DIGEST MODE REPLIES ARE VERY ANNOYING
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Munir Nassar
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 95, Issue 9
> Linux laptops DIGEST MODE REPLIES ARE VERY ANNOYING
>
> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Chuck Cole
> <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:
> > Can the digest mode be totally eliminated, since we have folks too
> > discourteous or too ignorant to properly trim those replies?
>
> or we could educate people on proper email etiquette. seems
> less hostile.

Perhaps the note about trimming the subject line should include direction to
trim the reply as well.

The "education" approach doesn't seem to have worked yet,.. Or maybe the
frequency is down from your efforts...
    but good of you to take this as your personal offline mission to train
those unwilling to read and learn.  :-)

Chuck


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From kc0iog at gmail.com  Sun Nov 11 22:05:36 2012
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 22:05:36 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Does win 7 64bit play well with Debian Squeeze
	64bit?
In-Reply-To: <50A03AFA.5040406@sysmatrix.net>
References: <509E9DE2.10503@sysmatrix.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.02.1211101539580.13493@dragon>
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On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Ed C. <eminmn at sysmatrix.net> wrote:
>
> Sorry about the scattergun approach. I was trying to provide as much
> context as possible for dealing with the main question: why didn't
> Debian figure out the Thinkpad wifi requirements? I've installed
> slackware, red hat, and a couple of buntu's and the wifi always worked

Two thoughts:

I had an issue dual booting my Win7 laptop and Fedora.  For some
reason, rebooting the laptop into the other OS would cause the wifi
NIC to go offline.  In order for the NIC to function, I ahd to shut
down the laptop, then power it on between OS changes.  That was
specific to an Intel B/G card.

For awhile the Atheros driver was considered "dirty" (as in contained
code from undetermined sources) so Debian did not include the drivers
in the standard distro.  I don't know if this is related or not to
your issue, but it could explain why Debian didn't just see and use
your wifi.  Sometimes Debian doesn't include "normal" stuff to remain
free of copyright issues.

Can you please post the output of 'lspci -nn'?  That will give us a
hint about your wifi card and perhaps hint at the issue.

Brian

From ninjaseg at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 01:27:56 2012
From: ninjaseg at gmail.com (Callum Lerwick)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 01:27:56 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] For Sale: SCSI LVD / Fibre Channel enterprise hard
	drives
Message-ID: <CAOYgitwiXb-qqrE2LrfcJKo7kucPYrX3s+Eb_3=HzJAsGwjGTw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello TCLUG! I've been under a rock in St Cloud for nearly a decade,
but now I'm relocating to California and have lots of stuff to get rid
of. In particular due to one of my salvage escapades I have a fairly
large stack of enterprise class hard drives I've been sitting on and
have zero use for.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ninjaseg/8178073370/in/set-72157631987086147/

I have 46 72.8gb, and 3 145.6gb IBM 10k LVD SCSI drives, that were for
an IBM Shark array, thus they are in IBM hotswap bays with SCSI-SSA
adapter interfaces. They have to be re-formatted to 512b sectors for
use with Linux, and I've had no luck getting sg3-utils to do it within
Linux. I've only managed to re-format using the BIOS setup on an
Adaptec card. They appear to work perfectly and if I'm reading the
smartmontools info correctly on the three I've pulled and used, they
seem to be NEW and unused.

I also have:

2 36gb 10k HP/Fujitsu SCSI LVD bare drives
1 18.35 IBM SCSI LVD in IBM bay
2 18.2gb IBM SCSI LVD in IBM bays
2 9.1gb 7200rpm Compaq/Fujitsu SCSI LVD bare drives

I also have a variety of Fibre Channel drives that I have ZERO ability
to test, but a few of them are still sealed in plastic and they're all
in hotswap bays:

2 147gb 10k FC Ultrastar
4 146gb 10k FC Ultrastar sealed in bags
12 72gb 10k FC Ultrastar in pretty serious looking rugged-ized bays,
still in a shipping box
4 73gb 15k FC IBM (At least one is labeled "Impending Fail", beware)
7 36.4gb 15k FC IBM

And I have one 36.4gb SSA drive, it is a NATIVE SSA drive mechanism. Not SCSI.

Send me your offers, otherwise I'm just going to sell 'em for scrap.
They are stored at a friends house in Wayzata but I can be convinced
to deliver.

I also have a large pile of stuff to give away, but I'm still sorting
it out and I'll post it in another message...

From ninjaseg at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 01:46:07 2012
From: ninjaseg at gmail.com (Callum Lerwick)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 01:46:07 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Any recommendations for a good laptop?
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On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Michael Moore <stuporglue at gmail.com> wrote:
> Are there other lines of laptops with good reputations for being
> sturdy? Should I just wait it out to get the Thinkpad?

Toshiba. I have some ancient Pentium MMX Satellites still going strong
after all kinds of abuse. No other brand besides IBM has lasted so
long in my somewhat clumsy hands. (But beware the Compal OEM-ed
models, though I dunno if they do that anymore...)

And of course ASUS is currently the Cadillac of laptops these days.
Just bought my wife a G-series and it's built like a tank, looks like
a stealth bomber, and weighs about as much as one... (Which replaced a
new low end Dell that died after a year.)

From zarhooie at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 01:48:59 2012
From: zarhooie at gmail.com (Kat Toomajian)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 01:48:59 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Firefox is pretending like the internet doesn't exist
Message-ID: <CAEeVNhJyZXB37WnugU-yQ=pknrpOKF-PCkUJYpFOU3LLwC9tbQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello again!

For reasons that I have not been able to determine, Firefox is acting like
it is losing its connection to the internet on a regular basis. For
example, I'll try to load up the Bugzilla for a project I work on, and it
will hang and hang and hang... and then after a minute or two, it might
load. It doesn't time out (like what would happen if my internet was off),
but it'll just keep cycling. It happens on nearly every page I load, and
it's driving me batty.

I should note that my iPad has had no connectivity issues, nor has my Roku,
or, strangely enough, Chromium or my IRC client. This leads me to believe
that's it's a Firefox issue and not a computer or router issue.

I've Googled, but I suspect that I'm just not looking for the right terms
to find my solution. Anyone have any ideas?

-Kat
Aut viam inveniam aut faciam.
I will either find a way or make one.
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From droidjd at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 01:59:46 2012
From: droidjd at gmail.com (Andrew Dahl)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 01:59:46 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Firefox is pretending like the internet doesn't
	exist
In-Reply-To: <CAEeVNhJyZXB37WnugU-yQ=pknrpOKF-PCkUJYpFOU3LLwC9tbQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEeVNhJyZXB37WnugU-yQ=pknrpOKF-PCkUJYpFOU3LLwC9tbQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFjzMdy2+wf96Hrg3VDyP=XRTW5LZ7CbdBTJk9+_5mgdxkg1vQ@mail.gmail.com>

As odd as it may sound, I noticed similar behavior at my last job when
Firefox was having trouble reading any of its local files... so, I'd make
sure your file system isn't full-up. -- Only thing I can think of.

In our case, the directories were mounted over the network and when the
machine they existed on bogged down, Firefox would start taking forever
while Chrome and Ice Weasel were working fine.

But, given that Chromium is working (on the same PC, right?) -- then it's
almost definitely a Firefox issue. -- If it wasn't only Firefox, I would
say reset all the network connections... I had a laptop that got really
funky with DNS look-ups after a while on the wireless, but resetting the
network would always fix it.  But, since Chromium works (thus DNS lookups
are fine), I doubt it's this.

Hope that helps.  If not, hopefully someone else has some better ideas!

-Andrew

Thank you,

Andrew Dahl
BS Computer Science 2011
Minnesota State University Moorhead
218-585-9008 | dahlan at mnstate.edu | http://www.drewdahl.com


On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Kat Toomajian <zarhooie at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello again!
>
> For reasons that I have not been able to determine, Firefox is acting like
> it is losing its connection to the internet on a regular basis. For
> example, I'll try to load up the Bugzilla for a project I work on, and it
> will hang and hang and hang... and then after a minute or two, it might
> load. It doesn't time out (like what would happen if my internet was off),
> but it'll just keep cycling. It happens on nearly every page I load, and
> it's driving me batty.
>
> I should note that my iPad has had no connectivity issues, nor has my
> Roku, or, strangely enough, Chromium or my IRC client. This leads me to
> believe that's it's a Firefox issue and not a computer or router issue.
>
> I've Googled, but I suspect that I'm just not looking for the right terms
> to find my solution. Anyone have any ideas?
>
> -Kat
> Aut viam inveniam aut faciam.
> I will either find a way or make one.
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From eminmn at sysmatrix.net  Mon Nov 12 08:35:54 2012
From: eminmn at sysmatrix.net (Ed C.)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 08:35:54 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Does win 7 64bit play well with Debian Squeeze
	64bit?
In-Reply-To: <CAB3QoPn6S=fHhULk3_NFk7xbrNC=R-rJN4_8Rvfn5L+=j=QcTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509E9DE2.10503@sysmatrix.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.02.1211101539580.13493@dragon>
	<50A03AFA.5040406@sysmatrix.net>
	<CAB3QoPn6S=fHhULk3_NFk7xbrNC=R-rJN4_8Rvfn5L+=j=QcTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50A1094A.1040301@sysmatrix.net>

Thanks, Brian. I'm sure you're right about Debian not having had the
wifi driver on 6.0.4. After poking around on the web I found these:

2,073,782 firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb
9,396,098 firmware-nonfree_0.28+squeeze1.tar.gz
135,014 wireless-tools_30~pre9-5_amd64.deb

The tarball is just the sources for the first one, I guess. Now that I
have an almost complete installation, how do I incorporate the above
.deb files into the system? Do I have to burn them onto their own cd or
dvd and then re-install everything?

I will report back with the output of lspci -nn before tinkering with
the Debian install any further.

Ed

> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Ed C. <eminmn at sysmatrix.net> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry about the scattergun approach. I was trying to provide as much
>> context as possible for dealing with the main question: why didn't
>> Debian figure out the Thinkpad wifi requirements? I've installed
>> slackware, red hat, and a couple of buntu's and the wifi always worked
> 
> Two thoughts:
> 
> I had an issue dual booting my Win7 laptop and Fedora.  For some
> reason, rebooting the laptop into the other OS would cause the wifi
> NIC to go offline.  In order for the NIC to function, I ahd to shut
> down the laptop, then power it on between OS changes.  That was
> specific to an Intel B/G card.

The Thinkpad t61 seems to provide wifi in win7 and not in Debian whether
I reboot or power down.

> 
> For awhile the Atheros driver was considered "dirty" (as in contained
> code from undetermined sources) so Debian did not include the drivers
> in the standard distro.  I don't know if this is related or not to
> your issue, but it could explain why Debian didn't just see and use
> your wifi.  Sometimes Debian doesn't include "normal" stuff to remain
> free of copyright issues.
> 
> Can you please post the output of 'lspci -nn'?  That will give us a
> hint about your wifi card and perhaps hint at the issue.
> 
> Brian
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From andyzib at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 09:42:36 2012
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:42:36 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Firefox is pretending like the internet doesn't
	exist
In-Reply-To: <CAFjzMdy2+wf96Hrg3VDyP=XRTW5LZ7CbdBTJk9+_5mgdxkg1vQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEeVNhJyZXB37WnugU-yQ=pknrpOKF-PCkUJYpFOU3LLwC9tbQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFjzMdy2+wf96Hrg3VDyP=XRTW5LZ7CbdBTJk9+_5mgdxkg1vQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMh5oVrQ4-si2yWJpvKNV9mP_7LxjVvLw4UPerGfSMP5pS73bQ@mail.gmail.com>

If you've been roaming between multiple networks you may want to close and
restart Firefox just to clear it's own DNS cache. Then check for proxy
server configurations under settings. If that doesn't do it, go into
about:config and look for IPv6 entires. Try turning them off to see if that
makes a difference.
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From goeko at goecke-dolan.com  Mon Nov 12 13:49:23 2012
From: goeko at goecke-dolan.com (goeko at goecke-dolan.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 13:49:23 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Raspberry Pi @Penguins Unbound Meeting November 17th
Message-ID: <41940.184.155.190.17.1352749763.squirrel@www.oscmn.com>

This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be
Saturday September 29th at TIES,
1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108
from 10:00am to 12:00pm
(See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more
info.)
Not Your Mother?s Raspberry Pi
presented by Richard Isaacson

The Raspberry Pi is a single-board ARM based computer designed with the 
intention of stimulating the teaching of basic computer science in 
schools. It was six years from when the original concept formed in 2006, 
by the Raspberry Pi Foundation, to when it shipped in April 2012. As it 
was released there was an overwhelming response from not justeducational institutions but from corporations and individuals. Initial 
stocks were sold out immediately and as of September 2012 over 500,000 
units have been sold.
The currently available Model B board is powered by a 700 Mhz ARMv6 
processor with 512 MByte of RAM, a Broadcom GPU(Composite RCA, HDMI and 
DSI outs), Audio(3.5mm and HDMI out), SD on-board storage, 10/100 
Ethernet, and dual USB ports. As of today it can run multiple Linux 
distributions as well as RISC OS and is capable of driving video at 
1080p. The board is available for purchase for $35.
This talk will cover the following topics:
A brief history of the Raspberry Pi.
Why education should care about the Raspberry Pi.
Why corporations should care about the Raspberry Pi.
Why individual makers have created an enthusiastic fanbase.
Demonstrations of what you can do with your board.

Richard Isaacson has spent twelve years of his professional career at a 
local e-commerce company; Digital River, Inc. His last fourteen months 
have been spent as a Software Engineer slinging Java for payments group. 
Previously he was a Senior Systems Engineer for the Unix group. In his 
spare time he likes to learn at least a little about everything.
Hope your able to make it!

*** STREAMING ***
If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting.
mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800

You should be able to connect with either:
mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800
or
vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800




From erik.mitchell at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 14:16:53 2012
From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:16:53 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Raspberry Pi @Penguins Unbound Meeting November
	17th
In-Reply-To: <41940.184.155.190.17.1352749763.squirrel@www.oscmn.com>
References: <41940.184.155.190.17.1352749763.squirrel@www.oscmn.com>
Message-ID: <CANNReEFV1oYu-wN+NbJJGgomFGEtqyBOi+DznSi5nY3vN270Pw@mail.gmail.com>

I think that should be Saturday, November 17, according to the website.

On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 1:49 PM,  <goeko at goecke-dolan.com> wrote:
> This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be
> Saturday September 29th at TIES,

-- 
Erik K. Mitchell
erik.mitchell at gmail.com

From zarhooie at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 19:51:05 2012
From: zarhooie at gmail.com (Kat Toomajian)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:51:05 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Firefox is pretending like the internet doesn't
	exist
In-Reply-To: <CAMh5oVrQ4-si2yWJpvKNV9mP_7LxjVvLw4UPerGfSMP5pS73bQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEeVNhJyZXB37WnugU-yQ=pknrpOKF-PCkUJYpFOU3LLwC9tbQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFjzMdy2+wf96Hrg3VDyP=XRTW5LZ7CbdBTJk9+_5mgdxkg1vQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMh5oVrQ4-si2yWJpvKNV9mP_7LxjVvLw4UPerGfSMP5pS73bQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEeVNh+6RFyNH=sMAaT=3CU53SrmG81C61h4uQjE5banndoaTw@mail.gmail.com>

On the advice of one of my Google-y friends, I went into
Chromium-->settings-->events and then reset. Thus far, that's fixed it.

Soooooo that's the thing!

-Kat

-Kat
Aut viam inveniam aut faciam.
I will either find a way or make one.


On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Andrew S. Zbikowski <andyzib at gmail.com>wrote:

> If you've been roaming between multiple networks you may want to close and
> restart Firefox just to clear it's own DNS cache. Then check for proxy
> server configurations under settings. If that doesn't do it, go into
> about:config and look for IPv6 entires. Try turning them off to see if that
> makes a difference.
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From eminmn at sysmatrix.net  Wed Nov 14 10:51:06 2012
From: eminmn at sysmatrix.net (Ed C.)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:51:06 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Does win 7 64bit play well with Debian Squeeze
	64bit?
In-Reply-To: <CAB3QoPn6S=fHhULk3_NFk7xbrNC=R-rJN4_8Rvfn5L+=j=QcTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509E9DE2.10503@sysmatrix.net>
	<alpine.DEB.2.02.1211101539580.13493@dragon>
	<50A03AFA.5040406@sysmatrix.net>
	<CAB3QoPn6S=fHhULk3_NFk7xbrNC=R-rJN4_8Rvfn5L+=j=QcTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50A3CBFA.4060300@sysmatrix.net>



Die Sun Nov 11 2012 22:05:36 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time) Brian Wall
<kc0iog at gmail.com> scripsit:

> On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Ed C. <eminmn at sysmatrix.net> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry about the scattergun approach. I was trying to provide as much
>> context as possible for dealing with the main question: why didn't
>> Debian figure out the Thinkpad wifi requirements? I've installed
>> slackware, red hat, and a couple of buntu's and the wifi always worked
> 
> Two thoughts:
> 
> I had an issue dual booting my Win7 laptop and Fedora.  For some
> reason, rebooting the laptop into the other OS would cause the wifi
> NIC to go offline.  In order for the NIC to function, I ahd to shut
> down the laptop, then power it on between OS changes.  That was
> specific to an Intel B/G card.
> 
> For awhile the Atheros driver was considered "dirty" (as in contained
> code from undetermined sources) so Debian did not include the drivers
> in the standard distro.  I don't know if this is related or not to
> your issue, but it could explain why Debian didn't just see and use
> your wifi.  Sometimes Debian doesn't include "normal" stuff to remain
> free of copyright issues.
> 
> Can you please post the output of 'lspci -nn'?  That will give us a
> hint about your wifi card and perhaps hint at the issue.

That showed an Intel network card (or chipset) that needed a non-free
driver: firmware-iwlwifi_0.28+squeeze1_all.deb. After doing dpkg -i on
that file, found and downloaded via the windows7 firefox, Debian squeeze
detected the local wifis.
Now I have a keyring I got from somewhere (the Debian site) that I can't
get rid of. What's a keyring?

Ed

> 
> Brian
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From goeko at goecke-dolan.com  Thu Nov 15 23:33:26 2012
From: goeko at goecke-dolan.com (goeko at goecke-dolan.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:33:26 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] *Saturday* Raspberry Pi @Penguins Unbound Meeting
	November 17th
Message-ID: <41744.184.155.190.17.1353044006.squirrel@www.oscmn.com>

This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be
Saturday November 17th at TIES,
1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108
from 10:00am to 12:00pm
(See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more
info.)
** Yes, I had the date wrong in the top of the last message. It should  of
said November 17th, this coming Saturday **(Thanks to everyone who pointed that out.)

Not Your Mother?s Raspberry Pi
presented by Richard Isaacson

The Raspberry Pi is a single-board ARM based computer designed with the
intention of stimulating the teaching of basic computer science in
schools. It was six years from when the original concept formed in 2006,
by the Raspberry Pi Foundation, to when it shipped in April 2012. As it
was released there was an overwhelming response from not justeducational 
institutions but from corporations and individuals. Initialstocks were sold out immediately and as of September 2012 over 500,000
units have been sold.The currently available Model B board is powered by a 700 Mhz ARMv6
processor with 512 MByte of RAM, a Broadcom GPU(Composite RCA, HDMI and
DSI outs), Audio(3.5mm and HDMI out), SD on-board storage, 10/100Ethernet, and dual USB ports. As of today it can run multiple Linux
distributions as well as RISC OS and is capable of driving video at 1080p.
The board is available for purchase for $35.This talk will cover the following topics:
A brief history of the Raspberry Pi.
Why education should care about the Raspberry Pi.
Why corporations should care about the Raspberry Pi.
Why individual makers have created an enthusiastic fanbase.
Demonstrations of what you can do with your board.

Richard Isaacson has spent twelve years of his professional career at a
local e-commerce company; Digital River, Inc. His last fourteen months
have been spent as a Software Engineer slinging Java for payments group.
Previously he was a Senior Systems Engineer for the Unix group. In his
spare time he likes to learn at least a little about everything.Hope your able to make it!

*** STREAMING ***
If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting.
mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800

You should be able to connect with either:
mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800
or
vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800




From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 24 02:12:03 2012
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 02:12:03 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DuckDuckGo search engine
Message-ID: <CABWFOjtAR6BH6Z=z=xUeoqLB92ek=k=8aNFUpN8aJyhXVhAUAw@mail.gmail.com>

There's a new search engine --
www.DuckDuckGo.com available.  I sent them some
feedback a few weeks ago about C++ and they
seem to have incorporated that now.  They don't keep the
search history so that is different than some of the others.

-- 
Brian Wood
Ebenezer Enterprises -- making programming fun again.
http://webEbenezer.net
(651) 251-9384
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From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Sat Nov 24 11:41:29 2012
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 11:41:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Seagate Backup Plus 3TB USB 3.0 external HDD,
	now $99.99 at Costco
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1211241130140.2352@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

They are selling this at Costco right now for $99.99.  I bought three last 
night.  I think the sale might end tomorrow.  Not sure.

Seagate Backup Plus 3TB USB 3.0 Black Desktop Hard Drive STCA3000101
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822178110

It's a pretty extraordinary price -- on NewEgg it's marked down to $150 
from a list of $180, but you can get it for $100 at Costco.

I don't work for Costco or Seagate or know anyone who does, but I thought 
some of you would be interested in this, as I was.

It's already out of stock on the web but they may have some in local 
stores, so you probably should call around:

http://www.costco.com/Seagate-Backup-Plus-3TB-Desktop-Drive-Item-%23669430.product.100016042.html?catalogId=10701&langId=-1&keyword=STCA3000101ck+Desktop+Hard+&storeId=10301

Mike

From 42dch42 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 06:29:42 2012
From: 42dch42 at gmail.com (harv)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 06:29:42 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] video related questions
Message-ID: <50b20f3f.c7b7320a.3752.5f34@mx.google.com>

So as not to waste people's time will get right to it.
First some specs

Graphics card:
Gygabyte GV-N460SO-1GI
2 x dvi + 1 x mini-hdmi out

System:
home-built frankenbox running Arch
Linux dita 3.6.7-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Nov 18 10:11:22 CET 2012
x86_64 GNU/Linux

Currently have dual monitor setup using dvi ports.
Wish to also output video- movies mainly-  to tv using mini-hdmi port.

A) Is this possible with this card?
	Can all 3 ports be used simultaneously?
	Manual and Gygabyte's website were rather unhelpful in this
	department- else my reading comprehension has really gone
	downhill lately.

B) If answer to A is yes, will changes need to be made to Xorg (added
screen section to xorg.conf etc) and if so what?

If I can get this working, I plan on using VLC but input in this area
will be appreciated as well.

Currently afk more often than I would like and only get the mailing
list digest so replies may be delayed.

Thanks in advance
harv


From tclug at beitsahour.net  Sun Nov 25 07:56:35 2012
From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 07:56:35 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] video related questions
In-Reply-To: <50b20f3f.c7b7320a.3752.5f34@mx.google.com>
References: <50b20f3f.c7b7320a.3752.5f34@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAMg8xatcXynp5o0jBQYtr1GH3h4DDNyyNmdqQhAncACbXBAaVw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 6:29 AM, harv <42dch42 at gmail.com> wrote:
> So as not to waste people's time will get right to it.
> First some specs
>
> Graphics card:
> Gygabyte GV-N460SO-1GI
> 2 x dvi + 1 x mini-hdmi out

for future reference, the manufacturer of the card is not as important
as the the chipset. generally speaking there are only two names in
town for advanced graphics, ATI and NVIDIA. in this case you have an
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480

> System:
> home-built frankenbox running Arch
> Linux dita 3.6.7-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Nov 18 10:11:22 CET 2012
> x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> Currently have dual monitor setup using dvi ports.
> Wish to also output video- movies mainly-  to tv using mini-hdmi port.
>
> A) Is this possible with this card?
>         Can all 3 ports be used simultaneously?

no

according to specifications that card has "Two pipelines for dual
independent display"
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-480/specifications
http://www.geforce.com/Active/en_US/en_US/pdf/GTX-480-470-Web-Datasheet.pdf

only the latest generation of nvidia cards(excluding NVS range) has
more than two pipelines.

From 42dch42 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 12:46:52 2012
From: 42dch42 at gmail.com (harv)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:46:52 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 95, Issue 18
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1353866402.531.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
References: <mailman.3.1353866402.531.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <50b2679d.26a3320a.5e4b.7581@mx.google.com>


> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 07:56:35 -0600
> From: Munir Nassar <tclug at beitsahour.net>
> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] video related questions
> Message-ID:
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> On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 6:29 AM, harv <42dch42 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > So as not to waste people's time will get right to it.
> > First some specs
> >
> > Graphics card:
> > Gygabyte GV-N460SO-1GI
> > 2 x dvi + 1 x mini-hdmi out
> 
> for future reference, the manufacturer of the card is not as important
> as the the chipset. generally speaking there are only two names in
> town for advanced graphics, ATI and NVIDIA. in this case you have an
> NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480
> 
First off, thanks for the quick concise reply- and for doing some
legwork I should have known to do myself.
Actually though, according to documentation here and on manufacturers
website it has a NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460.
No matter as links you provided led me in right direction and your
answer below is still accurate.

> > System:
> > home-built frankenbox running Arch
> > Linux dita 3.6.7-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Nov 18 10:11:22 CET 2012
> > x86_64 GNU/Linux
> >
> > Currently have dual monitor setup using dvi ports.
> > Wish to also output video- movies mainly-  to tv using mini-hdmi port.
> >
> > A) Is this possible with this card?
> >         Can all 3 ports be used simultaneously?
> 
> no
> 
> according to specifications that card has "Two pipelines for dual
> independent display"
> http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-480/specifications
> http://www.geforce.com/Active/en_US/en_US/pdf/GTX-480-470-Web-Datasheet.pdf
> 
> only the latest generation of nvidia cards(excluding NVS range) has
> more than two pipelines.
> 
Thanks again. Much appreciated
harv


From ninjaseg at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 19:24:49 2012
From: ninjaseg at gmail.com (Callum Lerwick)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 19:24:49 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] For Sale: SCSI LVD / Fibre Channel enterprise hard
	drives
In-Reply-To: <CAOYgitwiXb-qqrE2LrfcJKo7kucPYrX3s+Eb_3=HzJAsGwjGTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOYgitwiXb-qqrE2LrfcJKo7kucPYrX3s+Eb_3=HzJAsGwjGTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOYgitwBcWREwdC1r6aaoDZ0gVqmAygRCoX04kr6B+JufeJv6A@mail.gmail.com>

> I also have a large pile of stuff to give away, but I'm still sorting
> it out and I'll post it in another message...

Eh, saved myself some time and dropped everything at Free Geek.
Including the enterprise stuff since I got no response.

If you want old mac stuff or whatever talk to them. The Nextstations
apparently got claimed already lol...
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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Thu Nov 29 10:49:52 2012
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:49:52 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] vnc/rdesktop
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9C2CD2N7jp-axNcHho4UetcEru+Vqsoi8WG5Vf-c7bxTg@mail.gmail.com>

just tried rdesktop for the first time, it wants to boot off the
logged in user before connecting me.  can it be set up differently, or
is it just not worth it, am i better off installing vnc anyway, or
something else?

From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Thu Nov 29 11:14:39 2012
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:14:39 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] vnc/rdesktop
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Message-ID: <CAD+dB9BC=V=GE5JtF77Be2p4OVQ9B9=V+WLxeipD+4gyqsKHiw@mail.gmail.com>

hmmph, got "VNC server closed connection" from both xtightvncviewer
and ssvncviewer trying to connect to (an october2012 version of)
ultravnc on win7.  are all the vncviewers in the ubuntu repos
incompatible (with ultravnc)?

From stuporglue at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 11:25:11 2012
From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:25:11 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] vnc/rdesktop
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On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:14 AM, gregrwm <tclug1 at whitleymott.net> wrote:
> hmmph, got "VNC server closed connection" from both xtightvncviewer
> and ssvncviewer trying to connect to (an october2012 version of)
> ultravnc on win7.  are all the vncviewers in the ubuntu repos
> incompatible (with ultravnc)?

Is the Windows firewall configured to accept VNC connections?

---
Michael

From erik.mitchell at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 12:03:32 2012
From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:03:32 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Moving Windows partion to a virtual disk image?
Message-ID: <CANNReEEh7QwZJKdfwBZFV5B0ddzecybqDaYbosNqjrB_w+4QSA@mail.gmail.com>

I am planning on buying a new laptop soon. I will be getting a solid
state drive right away, and am planning on installing Debian as my
main OS.

I'd like to take the Windows install that's on the manufacturer's hard
drive and move it to a virtual disk image for VirtualBox. Has anyone
ever done this? I did a quick search and it looks like it's something
you can do, but I'm curious to know if anyone has ever tried it and if
there's anything I need to watch out for.

Thanks,

Erik

-- 
Erik K. Mitchell
erik.mitchell at gmail.com

From swaite at sbn-services.com  Thu Nov 29 12:09:11 2012
From: swaite at sbn-services.com (Sean Waite)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:09:11 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Moving Windows partion to a virtual disk image?
In-Reply-To: <CANNReEEh7QwZJKdfwBZFV5B0ddzecybqDaYbosNqjrB_w+4QSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANNReEEh7QwZJKdfwBZFV5B0ddzecybqDaYbosNqjrB_w+4QSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1354212551.50b7a4c7cc39c@g3.sbn-services.com>

I know you can use?VMware vCenter Converter, and then use the drive
with Virtualbox.?

On Thursday, 29-11-2012 on 12:03 Erik Mitchell wrote:

I am planning on buying a new laptop soon. I will be getting a solid
state drive right away, and am planning on installing Debian as my
main OS.

I'd like to take the Windows install that's on the manufacturer's hard
drive and move it to a virtual disk image for VirtualBox. Has anyone
ever done this? I did a quick search and it looks like it's something
you can do, but I'm curious to know if anyone has ever tried it and if
there's anything I need to watch out for.

Thanks,

Erik

-- 
Erik K. Mitchell
erik.mitchell at gmail.com
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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Thu Nov 29 14:40:20 2012
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:40:20 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] vnc/rdesktop
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> Is the Windows firewall configured to accept VNC connections?

bingo, thanks.

xtightvncviewer paints the screen right away, ssvncviewer leaves the
screen black until wherever the mouse is moved, but shows certain
widgets reliably, where xtightvncviewer only shows said widgets when
the actual (not virtual) mouse is moved there.  xvnc4viewer seems to
suffer neither shortcoming.  so all (more or less) compatible with
ultravnc afterall.

From jima at beer.tclug.org  Thu Nov 29 19:16:13 2012
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:16:13 -0700
Subject: [tclug-list] vnc/rdesktop
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9C2CD2N7jp-axNcHho4UetcEru+Vqsoi8WG5Vf-c7bxTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9C2CD2N7jp-axNcHho4UetcEru+Vqsoi8WG5Vf-c7bxTg@mail.gmail.com>
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On 2012-11-29 09:49, gregrwm wrote:
> just tried rdesktop for the first time, it wants to boot off the
> logged in user before connecting me.

  That's just how RDP works.  Desktop-class Windows (XP/Vista/7/8) can 
only have one desktop session (either local or remote); server-class can 
have two (local+remote or remote+remote) unless they have Terminal 
Services enabled (or whatever it's called).  Sharing a session with the 
local/another user is not a feature of RDP; you'd need VNC (or something 
else) for that, correct.

  Obviously you'd come to that conclusion, but I figured I'd spell it 
out since I knew most of the details.

      Jima

...Windows guru?

From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Thu Nov 29 20:12:20 2012
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:12:20 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] vnc/rdesktop
In-Reply-To: <50B808DD.7070009@beer.tclug.org>
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Message-ID: <CAD+dB9AhHLK5jkGnWs_84v_eTLfVw9XEYSid5ukRgj4bmZiW2A@mail.gmail.com>

i'm betting win7rdp (or "remote assistance" perhaps?) can be
configured to admit an admin to interact with the logged-in desktop,
even without requiring the logged-in user to approve, but i'm also
betting installing ultravnc is far easier than any of that.  if
win7rdp/ra config easier than i think, do tell.

From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 23:27:26 2012
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 23:27:26 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] vnc/rdesktop
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9AJ+bw6wYG6Nvct2dYFzASeXW7ZYK6RaEPyoBazNahVdw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAD+dB9BC=V=GE5JtF77Be2p4OVQ9B9=V+WLxeipD+4gyqsKHiw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFE18KWVE_OKBeqhueQEnAveL3wnGVZOdAeCgyPTki6HXv+nvA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1211292320190.2352@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

On Thu, 29 Nov 2012, gregrwm wrote:

> xtightvncviewer paints the screen right away, ssvncviewer leaves the 
> screen black until wherever the mouse is moved, but shows certain 
> widgets reliably, where xtightvncviewer only shows said widgets when the 
> actual (not virtual) mouse is moved there.  xvnc4viewer seems to suffer 
> neither shortcoming.  so all (more or less) compatible with ultravnc 
> afterall.

You can also download and use the Enterprise version of the xvnc viewer 
for free, but it isn't Free Software.  It's almost the same thing as the 
Free version, as far as I can tell, but there are a couple of little 
tweaks in the Enterprise version that I like.

UltraVNC allows for some kinds of encryption.  Can the xvnc4viewer be used 
with the encryption, or do you just have to run UltraVNC unencrypted?  I 
usually use Xvnc with -localhost and then use ssh portforwarding to create 
an SSH tunnel to connect through, but I'm not sure of how to do that when 
the VNC server is running on Windows.

Mike

From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 23:34:30 2012
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 23:34:30 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] vnc/rdesktop
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1211292320190.2352@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2012, Mike Miller wrote:

> UltraVNC allows for some kinds of encryption.  Can the xvnc4viewer be 
> used with the encryption, or do you just have to run UltraVNC 
> unencrypted?  I usually use Xvnc with -localhost and then use ssh 
> portforwarding to create an SSH tunnel to connect through, but I'm not 
> sure of how to do that when the VNC server is running on Windows.

FYI -- below is the simple script I use to connect via SSH tunnel to 
server_host:1 with username "user".  --Mike


#!/bin/bash

ssh -f -L 25901:127.0.0.1:5901 user at server_host sleep 1
xvnc4viewer -FullScreen -FullColor 127.0.0.1::25901 &> /dev/null &

From jima at beer.tclug.org  Thu Nov 29 23:35:19 2012
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:35:19 -0700
Subject: [tclug-list] vnc/rdesktop
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1211292320190.2352@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
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Message-ID: <50B84597.70409@beer.tclug.org>

On 2012-11-29 22:27, Mike Miller wrote:
> UltraVNC allows for some kinds of encryption.  Can the xvnc4viewer be
> used with the encryption, or do you just have to run UltraVNC
> unencrypted?  I usually use Xvnc with -localhost and then use ssh
> portforwarding to create an SSH tunnel to connect through, but I'm not
> sure of how to do that when the VNC server is running on Windows.

  PuTTY with a remote port-forward?  I do similar for Synergy.

      Jima


From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 00:05:52 2012
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 00:05:52 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] vnc/rdesktop
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2012, Jima wrote:

> On 2012-11-29 22:27, Mike Miller wrote:
>
>> UltraVNC allows for some kinds of encryption.  Can the xvnc4viewer be 
>> used with the encryption, or do you just have to run UltraVNC 
>> unencrypted?  I usually use Xvnc with -localhost and then use ssh 
>> portforwarding to create an SSH tunnel to connect through, but I'm not 
>> sure of how to do that when the VNC server is running on Windows.
>
> PuTTY with a remote port-forward?  I do similar for Synergy.

I don't understand how that works.  I have a VNC server on a Windows box 
and PuTTY on the same Windows box, and I have the VNC viewer on a Linux 
box.  How do I connect from Linux to the VNC session on Windows using 
PuTTY when PuTTY is on the Windows machine?

I was thinking maybe Cygwin with OpenSSH could run on the Windows box. 
If it would allow incoming SSH connections and port forwarding, that could 
work.

Mike

From jima at beer.tclug.org  Fri Nov 30 00:32:59 2012
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 23:32:59 -0700
Subject: [tclug-list] vnc/rdesktop
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1211300002290.2352@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
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On 2012-11-29 23:05, Mike Miller wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Nov 2012, Jima wrote:
>
>> On 2012-11-29 22:27, Mike Miller wrote:
>>
>>> UltraVNC allows for some kinds of encryption.  Can the xvnc4viewer be
>>> used with the encryption, or do you just have to run UltraVNC
>>> unencrypted?  I usually use Xvnc with -localhost and then use ssh
>>> portforwarding to create an SSH tunnel to connect through, but I'm
>>> not sure of how to do that when the VNC server is running on Windows.
>>
>> PuTTY with a remote port-forward?  I do similar for Synergy.
>
> I don't understand how that works.  I have a VNC server on a Windows box
> and PuTTY on the same Windows box, and I have the VNC viewer on a Linux
> box.  How do I connect from Linux to the VNC session on Windows using
> PuTTY when PuTTY is on the Windows machine?

1. Open PuTTY
2. Enter host name/IP address of Linux box
3. Go under Connection -> SSH -> Tunnels
4. Source port: 25901
5. Destination: 127.0.0.1:5901
6. Select "Remote" radio button
7. Click "Add" button
8. (optional) Go back to Session and save
9. Click "Open" button
10. Log in
11. Run `netstat -anp | grep 25901` on the Linux box -- ta da!

  Caveat: AllowTcpForwarding may need to be enabled in sshd_config.

  FWIW, this is the feature provided by OpenSSH's -R flag.

      Jima

From nesius at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 01:17:11 2012
From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 01:17:11 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] vnc/rdesktop
In-Reply-To: <50B8531B.3000906@beer.tclug.org>
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Message-ID: <CAOOsjE9rVicejbM1EH0JVeAa0cALitj36fk=TXSCQPXbw5robg@mail.gmail.com>

If you're not familiar with ssh-tunneling, or would like to understand it
better - I recommend perusing the ssh2 book from O'Reilly.  There is a
chapter in there on port-forwarding that I found well worth the read.

http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596008956.do

-Rob



On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:32 AM, Jima <jima at beer.tclug.org> wrote:

> On 2012-11-29 23:05, Mike Miller wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2012, Jima wrote:
>>
>>  On 2012-11-29 22:27, Mike Miller wrote:
>>>
>>>  UltraVNC allows for some kinds of encryption.  Can the xvnc4viewer be
>>>> used with the encryption, or do you just have to run UltraVNC
>>>> unencrypted?  I usually use Xvnc with -localhost and then use ssh
>>>> portforwarding to create an SSH tunnel to connect through, but I'm
>>>> not sure of how to do that when the VNC server is running on Windows.
>>>>
>>>
>>> PuTTY with a remote port-forward?  I do similar for Synergy.
>>>
>>
>> I don't understand how that works.  I have a VNC server on a Windows box
>> and PuTTY on the same Windows box, and I have the VNC viewer on a Linux
>> box.  How do I connect from Linux to the VNC session on Windows using
>> PuTTY when PuTTY is on the Windows machine?
>>
>
> 1. Open PuTTY
> 2. Enter host name/IP address of Linux box
> 3. Go under Connection -> SSH -> Tunnels
> 4. Source port: 25901
> 5. Destination: 127.0.0.1:5901
> 6. Select "Remote" radio button
> 7. Click "Add" button
> 8. (optional) Go back to Session and save
> 9. Click "Open" button
> 10. Log in
> 11. Run `netstat -anp | grep 25901` on the Linux box -- ta da!
>
>  Caveat: AllowTcpForwarding may need to be enabled in sshd_config.
>
>  FWIW, this is the feature provided by OpenSSH's -R flag.
>
>      Jima
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From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 01:57:02 2012
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 01:57:02 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] vnc/rdesktop
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On Thu, 29 Nov 2012, Jima wrote:

> On 2012-11-29 23:05, Mike Miller wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2012, Jima wrote:
>> 
>>> PuTTY with a remote port-forward?  I do similar for Synergy.
>> 
>> I don't understand how that works.  I have a VNC server on a Windows 
>> box and PuTTY on the same Windows box, and I have the VNC viewer on a 
>> Linux box.  How do I connect from Linux to the VNC session on Windows 
>> using PuTTY when PuTTY is on the Windows machine?
>
> 1. Open PuTTY
> 2. Enter host name/IP address of Linux box

OK, I get it, but that means I can only log in from a fixed location (from 
the one Linux box I connected to from Windows).  That is useful, though.

But if I want to connect from my Linux netbook in a Starbucks, I'm out of 
luck.

Your method could work well for me because I would usually connect to my 
home Windows VNC from within the VNC session on the Linux box in my 
office, then I'd connect to that Linux VNC session from anywhere (e.g., 
Starbucks), go to the right workspace, and there's my home Windows box.

Mike

From jpschewe at mtu.net  Fri Nov 30 10:58:13 2012
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:58:13 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Moving Windows partion to a virtual disk image?
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That's what I've usually done. I think I've also used dd and then used the
VirtualBox tools to convert a raw disk image into a VDI.


On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Sean Waite <swaite at sbn-services.com>wrote:

> I know you can use VMware vCenter Converter, and then use the drive with
> Virtualbox.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, 29-11-2012 on 12:03 Erik Mitchell wrote:
>
> I am planning on buying a new laptop soon. I will be getting a solid
> state drive right away, and am planning on installing Debian as my
> main OS.
>
> I'd like to take the Windows install that's on the manufacturer's hard
> drive and move it to a virtual disk image for VirtualBox. Has anyone
> ever done this? I did a quick search and it looks like it's something
> you can do, but I'm curious to know if anyone has ever tried it and if
> there's anything I need to watch out for.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Erik
>
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From stuporglue at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 11:00:38 2012
From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 11:00:38 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Moving Windows partion to a virtual disk image?
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On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Jon Schewe <jpschewe at mtu.net> wrote:
> That's what I've usually done. I think I've also used dd and then used the
> VirtualBox tools to convert a raw disk image into a VDI.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Sean Waite <swaite at sbn-services.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I know you can use VMware vCenter Converter, and then use the drive with
>> Virtualbox.

Don't these options make Windows give you re-authentication errors? I
thought I'd tried using dd and Windows complained that my hardware had
changed. Is that just my memory being bad? I was probably using Qemu,
so that might had something to do with it I guess.

--
Michael

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----- Reply message -----
From: "Jon Schewe" <jpschewe at mtu.net>
To: "TCLUG Mailing List" <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
Subject: [tclug-list] Moving Windows partion to a virtual disk image?
Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2012 10:58
That's what I've usually done. I think I've also used dd and then used the VirtualBox tools to convert a raw disk image into a VDI.


On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Sean Waite <swaite at sbn-services.com> wrote:

I know you can use VMware vCenter Converter, and then use the drive with Virtualbox. 

The VMware converter works well with windows boxrs

On Thursday, 29-11-2012 on 12:03 Erik Mitchell wrote:

I am planning on buying a new laptop soon. I will be getting a solid

state drive right away, and am planning on installing Debian as my

main OS.



I'd like to take the Windows install that's on the manufacturer's hard

drive and move it to a virtual disk image for VirtualBox. Has anyone

ever done this? I did a quick search and it looks like it's something

you can do, but I'm curious to know if anyone has ever tried it and if

there's anything I need to watch out for.



Thanks,



Erik



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erik.mitchell at gmail.com

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