From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Sat Sep  1 16:11:09 2012
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 16:11:09 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ubu hangs
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9BQV5iL3GgiMDXFRTU1vLvbfDMhp1VUo5oPMpn=pz5uSw@mail.gmail.com>

the first and perhaps less interesting circumstance is, opening
certain documents causes libreoffice (and all it's doc windows) to
hang (fail to render or expose) for several minutes, but all other
processes are uninhibited.  is there anything short of diving in with
gdb that might show me something interesting about where it's stuck?

the second, more rare and more disturbing circumstance is, i get hangs
from time to time, eg sometimes a whole minute or longer where new
processes won't launch but existing processes proceed as if the system
was idle.  htop is a nice start.  i can imagine a tool that could tell
me i have this much activity on this ether channel and that much on
that ether channel, this much disc activity on this disc channel and
that much on that disc channel, this process has done this much i/o on
this channel over the last nn seconds, that process has been blocked
for nn seconds waiting for ....  anything like that out there?  what
tools are available that might show me something relevant?

From cfp at att.net  Sat Sep  1 17:06:53 2012
From: cfp at att.net (Carl Polnaszek)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2012 17:06:53 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ubu hangs
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9BQV5iL3GgiMDXFRTU1vLvbfDMhp1VUo5oPMpn=pz5uSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9BQV5iL3GgiMDXFRTU1vLvbfDMhp1VUo5oPMpn=pz5uSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAC3-N5N3y5NKzc35AJoA26jW9n46uE5SEXSLNPPpegah35-eOg@mail.gmail.com>

What versions of Ubu and LibreOffice are you using?
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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Sun Sep  2 23:51:21 2012
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2012 23:51:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ubu hangs
In-Reply-To: <CAC3-N5N3y5NKzc35AJoA26jW9n46uE5SEXSLNPPpegah35-eOg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9BQV5iL3GgiMDXFRTU1vLvbfDMhp1VUo5oPMpn=pz5uSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC3-N5N3y5NKzc35AJoA26jW9n46uE5SEXSLNPPpegah35-eOg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9AmkTXpRT6RvLh8LdfgDXJxbEP5v2NHx5FW=W0YVXtMQg@mail.gmail.com>

natty, with everything upgraded a couple times each month
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From jjensen at apache.org  Mon Sep  3 17:31:27 2012
From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 17:31:27 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free RedHat Linux 6.1 official boxed distro
Message-ID: <CAKumxBw4MEzWd0KbTTLRuEqXiSLmfg6jbqUjdcfwryiV0-=fiA@mail.gmail.com>

Free for first reply.  Does nostalgia interest anyone?!
Box, manuals, disks.

From jjensen at apache.org  Mon Sep  3 17:29:03 2012
From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 17:29:03 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free 3Com 3C16700 8 10M port hub & power adapter
Message-ID: <CAKumxBzktE0mgWGnMHrQ-LazTAm1E_3=y0bvxk2G2JRhnKmT6A@mail.gmail.com>

Been in a box for years.  Last I knew it worked.  Free for first reply.
For fun, I looked on ebay - some selling for $5-10.  One fool is
selling it for $73!  Makes no sense...

From kc0iog at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 18:50:28 2012
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 18:50:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free 3Com 3C16700 8 10M port hub & power adapter
In-Reply-To: <CAKumxBzktE0mgWGnMHrQ-LazTAm1E_3=y0bvxk2G2JRhnKmT6A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKumxBzktE0mgWGnMHrQ-LazTAm1E_3=y0bvxk2G2JRhnKmT6A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3QoPmV-T5NDkMbHXEkVM6-Z4+iykdgFo=sBeobWK6RgM_Zuw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 5:29 PM, Jeff Jensen <jjensen at apache.org> wrote:
> Been in a box for years.  Last I knew it worked.  Free for first reply.
> For fun, I looked on ebay - some selling for $5-10.  One fool is
> selling it for $73!  Makes no sense...

Well there's one way to keep people from stealing your bandwidth, put
them on a 10Mb hub!

From ecrist at secure-computing.net  Tue Sep  4 07:19:10 2012
From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric Crist)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 07:19:10 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Server Rack and stuff - free to a good home
In-Reply-To: <DAAA22C0-F3C5-4AB5-99C8-BA3827E73AD7@secure-computing.net>
References: <DAAA22C0-F3C5-4AB5-99C8-BA3827E73AD7@secure-computing.net>
Message-ID: <92412277-1D04-4BA6-AB20-E2F87A157533@secure-computing.net>

Someone picked this up last week.  I don't have contact info, but if it was you (Jonah or something like that), the pins for the doors were left behind.  Give me a call and I'll mail them to you, or you can come pick them up.

Cheers
-----
Eric F Crist



On Aug 30, 2012, at 10:15:11, Eric Crist <ecrist at secure-computing.net> wrote:

> I have a server cabinet, that locks, with all four panels (front/rear door, two side panels). Sturdy, works well. I don't have keys, but they're standard Dirak 1333 keys for the doors (don't know about the side panels, generic utility tumblers).
> 
> Additionally, I can throw in the following:
> 
> 4 computer KVM
> 15" LCD
> Rackmount Keyboard/Mouse Tray (includes the keyboard/mouse)
> 
> (612) 998-3588 
> 
> I can deliver, tonight, for the cost of gas.  I'll help carry it inside, if you need.
> -----
> Eric F Crist
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From EHartwell at itt-tech.edu  Tue Sep  4 11:25:05 2012
From: EHartwell at itt-tech.edu (Eric Hartwell at 149)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 16:25:05 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] instructors needed at ITT Tech in Brooklyn Center, MN
Message-ID: <D3B2B302CC3AF2429DF290A4380342112616CF6E@BY2PRD0411MB416.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Hello all,

I have instructor openings for the Fall 2012 term. Courses include Intro to Information Security, Windows 2k8 Server, and Intro to Networking. If you would like to join our faculty,  please send your resume to me today.

The Fall term starts September 17th 2012 and ends at Thanksgiving. I have openings in the day and evening courses. Feel free to contact me for more details.

Thanks,

Eric Hartwell, Dean
ITT  Technical Institute
6120 Earle Brown Drive, Suite 100
Brooklyn Center, MN 55430
763-549-5900

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From EHartwell at itt-tech.edu  Tue Sep  4 12:17:36 2012
From: EHartwell at itt-tech.edu (Eric Hartwell at 149)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 17:17:36 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] instructors needed at ITT Tech in Brooklyn Center,
 MN
In-Reply-To: <D3B2B302CC3AF2429DF290A4380342112616CF6E@BY2PRD0411MB416.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <D3B2B302CC3AF2429DF290A4380342112616CF6E@BY2PRD0411MB416.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <D3B2B302CC3AF2429DF290A4380342112616D13A@BY2PRD0411MB416.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

I should clarify that our faculty are required to hold at least a Bachelors degree in a related field. We love instructors that have industry experience and certifications are a plus, but the degree is an  accreditation requirement.

From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Eric Hartwell at 149
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 11:25 AM
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: [tclug-list] instructors needed at ITT Tech in Brooklyn Center, MN

Hello all,

I have instructor openings for the Fall 2012 term. Courses include Intro to Information Security, Windows 2k8 Server, and Intro to Networking. If you would like to join our faculty,  please send your resume to me today.

The Fall term starts September 17th 2012 and ends at Thanksgiving. I have openings in the day and evening courses. Feel free to contact me for more details.

Thanks,

Eric Hartwell, Dean
ITT  Technical Institute
6120 Earle Brown Drive, Suite 100
Brooklyn Center, MN 55430
763-549-5900

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From ecrist at secure-computing.net  Tue Sep  4 12:18:28 2012
From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric Crist)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 12:18:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] instructors needed at ITT Tech in Brooklyn Center,
	MN
In-Reply-To: <D3B2B302CC3AF2429DF290A4380342112616D13A@BY2PRD0411MB416.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <D3B2B302CC3AF2429DF290A4380342112616CF6E@BY2PRD0411MB416.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<D3B2B302CC3AF2429DF290A4380342112616D13A@BY2PRD0411MB416.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <7E4CCBD9-F937-4867-A20E-28E66138E6BB@secure-computing.net>

Ah, not for me, then.

-----
Eric F Crist



On Sep 4, 2012, at 12:17:36, Eric Hartwell at 149 <EHartwell at itt-tech.edu> wrote:

> I should clarify that our faculty are required to hold at least a Bachelors degree in a related field. We love instructors that have industry experience and certifications are a plus, but the degree is an  accreditation requirement.
>  
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Eric Hartwell at 149
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 11:25 AM
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: [tclug-list] instructors needed at ITT Tech in Brooklyn Center, MN
>  
> Hello all,
>  
> I have instructor openings for the Fall 2012 term. Courses include Intro to Information Security, Windows 2k8 Server, and Intro to Networking. If you would like to join our faculty,  please send your resume to me today.
>  
> The Fall term starts September 17th 2012 and ends at Thanksgiving. I have openings in the day and evening courses. Feel free to contact me for more details.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Eric Hartwell, Dean
> ITT  Technical Institute
> 6120 Earle Brown Drive, Suite 100
> Brooklyn Center, MN 55430
> 763-549-5900
>  
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From EHartwell at itt-tech.edu  Tue Sep  4 12:30:12 2012
From: EHartwell at itt-tech.edu (Eric Hartwell at 149)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 17:30:12 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] instructors needed at ITT Tech in Brooklyn Center,
	MN
In-Reply-To: <7E4CCBD9-F937-4867-A20E-28E66138E6BB@secure-computing.net>
References: <D3B2B302CC3AF2429DF290A4380342112616CF6E@BY2PRD0411MB416.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<D3B2B302CC3AF2429DF290A4380342112616D13A@BY2PRD0411MB416.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
	<7E4CCBD9-F937-4867-A20E-28E66138E6BB@secure-computing.net>
Message-ID: <D3B2B302CC3AF2429DF290A4380342112616D1DE@BY2PRD0411MB416.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Yes... just looked at your resume... darn it all. 
Thanks for sending it tho. 

If you'd be interested in being a guest speaker or joining our Advisory Committee, we'd love to have area talent for those opportunities too. 

-----Original Message-----
From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Eric Crist
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 12:18 PM
To: TCLUG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] instructors needed at ITT Tech in Brooklyn Center, MN

Ah, not for me, then.

-----
Eric F Crist



On Sep 4, 2012, at 12:17:36, Eric Hartwell at 149 <EHartwell at itt-tech.edu> wrote:

> I should clarify that our faculty are required to hold at least a Bachelors degree in a related field. We love instructors that have industry experience and certifications are a plus, but the degree is an  accreditation requirement.
>  
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org 
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Eric Hartwell at 
> 149
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 11:25 AM
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: [tclug-list] instructors needed at ITT Tech in Brooklyn 
> Center, MN
>  
> Hello all,
>  
> I have instructor openings for the Fall 2012 term. Courses include Intro to Information Security, Windows 2k8 Server, and Intro to Networking. If you would like to join our faculty,  please send your resume to me today.
>  
> The Fall term starts September 17th 2012 and ends at Thanksgiving. I have openings in the day and evening courses. Feel free to contact me for more details.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Eric Hartwell, Dean
> ITT  Technical Institute
> 6120 Earle Brown Drive, Suite 100
> Brooklyn Center, MN 55430
> 763-549-5900
>  
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota 
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org 
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list





From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com  Wed Sep  5 16:58:07 2012
From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (Mr. B-o-B)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 16:58:07 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] .mp3 broadcasting
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1209051619440.29657@alien.grunners.com>

So a machine I setup back in 2001 has died.  It was deployed in another 
city (where I grew up), and it's primary purpose in life was to broadcast 
a local AM radio station (privately) so I can listen to local sports radio 
& stuff over the Internet.  I had an old technics tuner hooked into the 
audio in on the box, 
and I was using an old copy of Shoutcast to do the broadcasting all 
running on Slackware.

I am currently in the process of rebuilding a new solution (much smaller 
this time & power friendly), and I was curious if anyone had any 
experience with .mp3 broadcasting software.  My requirements are as 
follows:

Must be able to install, config, and run all from CLI (no X windows).  A 
web-based config thingy would be OK too, but not preferred.

Thanks about it.  I see you now have to pay a small fee to shoutcast to 
use .mp3 (and I'm fine with that). I just wanted to see if there was 
any other open source stuff out in the wild that might be better the 
SHOUTcast.

Thanks!

B-o-B












From tclug at freakzilla.com  Wed Sep  5 17:05:00 2012
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 17:05:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] .mp3 broadcasting
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1209051619440.29657@alien.grunners.com>
References: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1209051619440.29657@alien.grunners.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1209051704240.28574@dragon>

I know this is potentially a stupid, stupid quesiton, but that radio 
station doesn't web-broadcast by any chance, does it? A whoooole lot of 
them do now. It'd save you a lot of trouble!

On Wed, 5 Sep 2012, Mr. B-o-B wrote:

> So a machine I setup back in 2001 has died.  It was deployed in another city 
> (where I grew up), and it's primary purpose in life was to broadcast a local 
> AM radio station (privately) so I can listen to local sports radio & stuff 
> over the Internet.  I had an old technics tuner hooked into the audio in on 
> the box, and I was using an old copy of Shoutcast to do the broadcasting all 
> running on Slackware.
>
> I am currently in the process of rebuilding a new solution (much smaller this 
> time & power friendly), and I was curious if anyone had any experience with 
> .mp3 broadcasting software.  My requirements are as follows:
>
> Must be able to install, config, and run all from CLI (no X windows).  A 
> web-based config thingy would be OK too, but not preferred.
>
> Thanks about it.  I see you now have to pay a small fee to shoutcast to use 
> .mp3 (and I'm fine with that). I just wanted to see if there was any other 
> open source stuff out in the wild that might be better the SHOUTcast.
>
> Thanks!
>
> B-o-B
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


-Yaron

--

From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com  Wed Sep  5 20:03:05 2012
From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars)
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 20:03:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] .mp3 broadcasting
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1209051704240.28574@dragon>
References: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1209051619440.29657@alien.grunners.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.02.1209051704240.28574@dragon>
Message-ID: <5047F649.1010303@gmail.com>

On 9/5/2012 5:05 PM, Yaron cried from the depths of the abyss:
> I know this is potentially a stupid, stupid quesiton, but that radio
> station doesn't web-broadcast by any chance, does it? A whoooole lot of
> them do now. It'd save you a lot of trouble!
>

Not a bad question at all.  They do actually broadcast, but the things I 
want to listen to are blocked out (NFL, MLB, NBA, etc.)  This is the 
prize I seek at the end of the rainbow :)


From jjensen at apache.org  Mon Sep  3 17:39:55 2012
From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2012 17:39:55 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free older tech books
Message-ID: <CAKumxBx20CGkRmz6ije+OixPdPKaxmCYFDrtDV1aOe5xr4sVVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Free to first reply.  Donating all soon.
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From cncole at earthlink.net  Thu Sep  6 01:14:11 2012
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 01:14:11 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free older tech books
In-Reply-To: <CAKumxBx20CGkRmz6ije+OixPdPKaxmCYFDrtDV1aOe5xr4sVVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKumxBx20CGkRmz6ije+OixPdPKaxmCYFDrtDV1aOe5xr4sVVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A1EDAE2BBDC0456C88F5E054AFB7783D@d830a>

In available, I want them!

Chuck

Cell/text  612-306-3309


> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Jensen
> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 5:40 PM
> To: TCLUG Mailing List
> Subject: [tclug-list] Free older tech books
>
> Free to first reply.  Donating all soon.
>



From andyzib at gmail.com  Thu Sep  6 11:37:40 2012
From: andyzib at gmail.com (Andrew S. Zbikowski)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2012 11:37:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] .mp3 broadcasting
In-Reply-To: <5047F649.1010303@gmail.com>
References: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1209051619440.29657@alien.grunners.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.02.1209051704240.28574@dragon>
	<5047F649.1010303@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMh5oVqd4OHjSza5M2ms00BoHJhDA8z5hU=BsaiQB29EarYG4w@mail.gmail.com>

Icecast (OSS implementation of ShoutCast) is the only thing I'm
familiar with, and even that's been ages. My roommate and I used to do
something similar with a USB FM radio tuner, pumping the output over
Icecast (private). At the time my roommate worked 2 floors
underground, and my own office got terrible radio reception. Later I
switched my setup from streaming to just recording, with cron jobs
tuning the radio and starting and stopping the recordings. The
resulting MP3s were dropped into a web accessible directory and a PHP
script generated a RSS feed to be pick up the recordings as podcasts.
Official podcasts and streams have made the whole setup obsolete.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_streaming_media_systems might be
helpful if you're looking for something other than Icecast.

FYI, MLB streams audio for all it's games to MLB At Bat smartphone
apps, no blackouts. Used to be $15 per season for the app, but this
year they had a free version and an in app purchase for the full
version. Not sure if you get the audio streams on the free version,
and you may be able to find the streams online at MLB.tv as well.

--
Andrew Zbikowski
http://andy.zibnet.us/
I reject your reality and substitute my own.

From jus at krytosvirus.com  Thu Sep  6 12:14:37 2012
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2012 12:14:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] .mp3 broadcasting
In-Reply-To: <CAMh5oVqd4OHjSza5M2ms00BoHJhDA8z5hU=BsaiQB29EarYG4w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1209051619440.29657@alien.grunners.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.02.1209051704240.28574@dragon>
	<5047F649.1010303@gmail.com>
	<CAMh5oVqd4OHjSza5M2ms00BoHJhDA8z5hU=BsaiQB29EarYG4w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1346951677.20929.10.camel@sysadmin3a>

+1 on Icecast but like Andrew it has been a while since I have touched
it.

On Thu, 2012-09-06 at 11:37 -0500, Andrew S. Zbikowski wrote:

> Icecast (OSS implementation of ShoutCast) is the only thing I'm
> familiar with, and even that's been ages. My roommate and I used to do
> something similar with a USB FM radio tuner, pumping the output over
> Icecast (private). At the time my roommate worked 2 floors
> underground, and my own office got terrible radio reception. Later I
> switched my setup from streaming to just recording, with cron jobs
> tuning the radio and starting and stopping the recordings. The
> resulting MP3s were dropped into a web accessible directory and a PHP
> script generated a RSS feed to be pick up the recordings as podcasts.
> Official podcasts and streams have made the whole setup obsolete.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_streaming_media_systems might be
> helpful if you're looking for something other than Icecast.
> 
> FYI, MLB streams audio for all it's games to MLB At Bat smartphone
> apps, no blackouts. Used to be $15 per season for the app, but this
> year they had a free version and an in app purchase for the full
> version. Not sure if you get the audio streams on the free version,
> and you may be able to find the streams online at MLB.tv as well.
> 
> --
> Andrew Zbikowski
> http://andy.zibnet.us/
> I reject your reality and substitute my own.
> _______________________________________________
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From gsker at skerbitz.org  Fri Sep  7 16:01:18 2012
From: gsker at skerbitz.org (Gerry)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 16:01:18 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] inotifywait for process to finish
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1209071446010.10486@veeta>

Could not find an example for this one and hought I'd share what I came up with.
Correct me if I've missed something.

Problem: efficiently wait for a long running non-child process
(example -- started a large copy and wanted a noise when it was done.)

inotifywait doesn't do well with /proc/<pid> but I still used it to be just 
a little more efficient and timely than a shell loop:

===============================================
#! /bin/sh
# waitfor a process
PID=$1
shift
[ -e /proc/$PID ] || { echo No process, $PID; exit 127; }
while inotifywait -qq -e CLOSE /proc/$PID/exe && [ -e /proc/$PID ]
do
:
done
$*
===============================================
I use it like this:
waitfor 14471 play /media/WeirdAlYankovic/DareToBeStupid/09_This_Is_The_Life.flac




-- 
Gerry Skerbitz
gsker at skerbitz.org

From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com  Fri Sep  7 18:43:32 2012
From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 18:43:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Time for a change,
	any LMDE (Linux Debian) users out there?
Message-ID: <CAONLkD_XVix3uxiHhLXL0hoTLTgaQPUt7PCdmfr2FOGuWVMZiQ@mail.gmail.com>

The past until now (skip to the next section if you don't want to hear
about my background with my current distro- thought it may help with
advice about LMDE).
----

I've been with Arch Linux consistently since 2003. I love that has
been minimal and customizable, bleeding edge and fun to toy with, but
most importantly rolling updates. Anyway, fast forward to 2012. Arch
starts making changes to it's core big time, which is fine, but I've
come to realize I'm spending more and more time over the past couple
of years adapting to big, often user unfriendly changes on my system
than working with the community on packaging and support, which I'd
rather do. User unfriendliness is nice to a degree, I love the control
I have, and occasionally being forced to learn new things about Linux
(or not have a Linux OS to boot until I have time). But, as I work
more professionally, invest more time in family life personally, I
find it annoying I have to invest unexpected time to fix things on my
3+ year old install of Arch with updates and new big changes (yes, I
know, a bit of a rolling updates contradiction).

I've toyed with the idea of a fresh install of Arch, but I remind
myself that I use Mate desktop (went from minimal desktops and settled
with a customized version of Gnome2 - now Mate). My pursuit of
investigating bugs and helping developers (of which I am mostly not
myself) is falling on mostly deaf ears in the Arch Linux community for
Mate; probably because most Archers use awesome, Gnome3, or Cinnamon.


LMDE (Debian Mint)?
----

I've read some of the discussion about a couple Lugers using LMDE,
with positive feedback on it over the past couple of years. I've been
playing with Mint live iso virtualized a bit. Obviously, everything is
done for the user, which I don't love, but I know I can get under hood
on my own terms and tweak to some extent. Then I found LMDE. Rolling
releases? Community support? Cinnamon and Mate standard- feels and
sounds good to me! I also like that a lot of my professional tools I
use for security and forensics are available in deb packages and I
probably won't be compiling packages nearly as much as I do with Arch.

My questions for LMDE users:
* If you're a more advanced linux user, what don't you like about it?
* How is the community for support and bug fixing?
* How does it compare to my near decade experience (I realize I gave a
brief synopsis of this) with Arch Linux?
* Are there custom kernel options that are pre-compiled (for example,
I use a pre-compiled Intel -ck package for Arch; have not had time for
custom patching / compiling kernels for about two years now)?
* I noticed some of the packages are a couple weeks behind compared to
Arch repos (for example, Firefox). Is this because more testing is
involved before releasing updates as stable?

Thanks for any insight!

--
Jeremy MountainJohnson
jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com

From stuporglue at gmail.com  Fri Sep  7 20:06:27 2012
From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 20:06:27 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Time for a change,
	any LMDE (Linux Debian) users out there?
In-Reply-To: <CAONLkD_XVix3uxiHhLXL0hoTLTgaQPUt7PCdmfr2FOGuWVMZiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAONLkD_XVix3uxiHhLXL0hoTLTgaQPUt7PCdmfr2FOGuWVMZiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFE18KU2DRZw4bXCdokFU=RS9yRy-VeAgcRRuoX=Ln1xZLG-KQ@mail.gmail.com>

> My questions for LMDE users:
> * If you're a more advanced linux user, what don't you like about it?
> * How is the community for support and bug fixing?

I have been using Ubuntu since it came out, but found it floundering
in the last couple of years. As I get new machines or need to
reinstall for whatever reason, I've been trying out new distros. One
of my computers has LMDE on it. Others will probably get LMDE or
vanilla Debian as their turn comes up.

* The community has been good. Less knowledgeable than the Gentoo
forums were back in the day, less knowledgeable than the smart people
on the Ubuntu forums, but a much more friendly crowd.
* Bug fixing is hit and miss, depending on how popular the package is
and how busy the package maintainer is. Mostly good though.


> * How does it compare to my near decade experience (I realize I gave a
> brief synopsis of this) with Arch Linux?
> * Are there custom kernel options that are pre-compiled (for example,
> I use a pre-compiled Intel -ck package for Arch; have not had time for
> custom patching / compiling kernels for about two years now)?
When I was a Gentoo user, I fussed with my settings constantly.
Working around bugs, seeking better and better optimizations.

When I finally switched to Ubuntu and now LMDE I didn't feel a need to
tinker with the OS or compile options because (nearly) everything Just
Worked.

The milliseconds I lost by using the default kernel have been more
than reclaimed by the time I spend not worrying about my config files.

The couple of packages I really care about (Inkscape, ffmpeg and a few
others), I check out their source code directly and compile them
separately. I file bugs and suggestions directly with the projects
themselves. The rest of the OS stays with whatever kernel, gcc,
python, etc. version LMDE is using.

> I'm spending more and more time over the past couple
> of years adapting...I find it annoying I have to invest unexpected time to fix things on my
> 3+ year old install of Arch with updates and new big changes

If you can convince yourself to stick with stock packages for the
stuff you don't care about LMDE shouldn't cause you many troubles this
way.


> * I noticed some of the packages are a couple weeks behind compared to
> Arch repos (for example, Firefox). Is this because more testing is
> involved before releasing updates as stable?

http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1781 This blog post is about a year old,
but it says packages are pulled from Debian Testing monthly, which
probably accounts for the delay.


LMDE is a good distro.  It's Debian based which means tutorials,
support and packages abound and the community is decent. I don't LOVE
it like I did Gentoo back when I discovered Linux, or Ubuntu in the
early years, but it's good and I can give it a stamp of approval.


Best of luck,
Michael
-- 
http://fridleyfarmer.com -- The Fridley Farmer
http://stuporglue.org -- Web programming, Moore's Ramblings III and
other Miscellaneous Projects

From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com  Fri Sep  7 22:36:25 2012
From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 22:36:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Time for a change,
 any LMDE (Linux Debian) users out there?
In-Reply-To: <CAONLkD_XVix3uxiHhLXL0hoTLTgaQPUt7PCdmfr2FOGuWVMZiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAONLkD_XVix3uxiHhLXL0hoTLTgaQPUt7PCdmfr2FOGuWVMZiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120907223625.ea54225df7b368c70e9da32e@jasonhsu.com>

I like LMDE because it provides the user-friendliness, smoothness, and refinement of the traditional Ubuntu-based editions of Linux Mint without the heavy Ubuntu overhead.  In fact, LMDE with only 512 MB of RAM actually feels faster than Ubuntu-based Mint with 2 GB of RAM.

-- 
Jason Hsu <jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com>

From kc0iog at gmail.com  Sun Sep  9 21:32:38 2012
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 21:32:38 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Time for a change,
	any LMDE (Linux Debian) users out there?
In-Reply-To: <CAONLkD_XVix3uxiHhLXL0hoTLTgaQPUt7PCdmfr2FOGuWVMZiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAONLkD_XVix3uxiHhLXL0hoTLTgaQPUt7PCdmfr2FOGuWVMZiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3QoPkaYn8gb6UNPLADx+ZQ-M4B=j_65kejRrdAfv-Ji7kefA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Jeremy MountainJohnson
<jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com> wrote:
> LMDE (Debian Mint)?

> My questions for LMDE users:
> * If you're a more advanced linux user, what don't you like about it?

Nothing.  Mint just works, and even though I'm an "advanced" user of
linux sometimes it's nice when things just WORK, and I don't have to
spend hours figuring out how/why. Yet, I can still pop the hood and
muck around as I please.

> * Are there custom kernel options that are pre-compiled (for example,
> I use a pre-compiled Intel -ck package for Arch; have not had time for
> custom patching / compiling kernels for about two years now)?

I'm too lazy to compile my own kernels any more.  Mint just works :-)

> * I noticed some of the packages are a couple weeks behind compared to
> Arch repos (for example, Firefox). Is this because more testing is
> involved before releasing updates as stable?

Aren't they just pulling from Debian testing?  I've been a Debian
testing user for 6-7 years and I don't mind being a step behind, it's
a lot less broken.

My thoughts on Mint are that it's a great desktop distro if you just
want stuff to work.  You're not limited in fiddling with things and
tweaking your OS and compiling your kernel and whatever it is you want
to do, but you certainly don't have to.  I like that they have an XFCE
distro pre-rolled so I don't even have to mess with window managers.
When using a linux desktop I like light, fast distros that just work,
and that's why I run Mint XFCE.

If I have to build something custom-ish, I still fall back on Debian
testing because I can build from the ground up.

Brian

>
> Thanks for any insight!
>
> --
> Jeremy MountainJohnson
> jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com  Sat Sep 15 09:35:18 2012
From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 09:35:18 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Time for a change,
	any LMDE (Linux Debian) users out there?
In-Reply-To: <CAB3QoPkaYn8gb6UNPLADx+ZQ-M4B=j_65kejRrdAfv-Ji7kefA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAONLkD_XVix3uxiHhLXL0hoTLTgaQPUt7PCdmfr2FOGuWVMZiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3QoPkaYn8gb6UNPLADx+ZQ-M4B=j_65kejRrdAfv-Ji7kefA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACEdYO2Kh_ZT-4gAQE4_z01NWq=VXhP2fmp-ELG0kBnaWTuvew@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the input- very helpful!

I installed LMDE on an older laptop. Got a little too comfortable with
the do everything installer and installed grub to sda1. Ooops, at
least I was able to recover the Windows partition. Good to know if I
do install to the desktop.

I like it overall. Some of the things done for me are a little
annoying (the beep when MDM is ready, and, not really knowing how
process the init process does things). However I'm finding the things
I don't like I can change easily or figure them out quickly. On
another note, I also found a bug with the Mint theme and font sizes,
but was able to search and fix it (there was a bug report already in)
within 5 minutes.

I was catching up on Slashdot and found another Arch based disto,
Manjaro (http://blog.manjaro.org/), which is based on Arch but
simplified (can still compile packages and work on my user repo
contributions). Looks promising, may try that, but for now I'll keep
testing LMDE on the laptop. Also toying with XFCE4, may be a better
route to take for the gui since Mate is a still questionable on
whether or not it will be supported for the long haul.

Thanks again for the insight ;-)

--
Jeremy MountainJohnson
Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com


On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Brian Wall <kc0iog at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Jeremy MountainJohnson
> <jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com> wrote:
> > LMDE (Debian Mint)?
>
> > My questions for LMDE users:
> > * If you're a more advanced linux user, what don't you like about it?
>
> Nothing.  Mint just works, and even though I'm an "advanced" user of
> linux sometimes it's nice when things just WORK, and I don't have to
> spend hours figuring out how/why. Yet, I can still pop the hood and
> muck around as I please.
>
> > * Are there custom kernel options that are pre-compiled (for example,
> > I use a pre-compiled Intel -ck package for Arch; have not had time for
> > custom patching / compiling kernels for about two years now)?
>
> I'm too lazy to compile my own kernels any more.  Mint just works :-)
>
> > * I noticed some of the packages are a couple weeks behind compared to
> > Arch repos (for example, Firefox). Is this because more testing is
> > involved before releasing updates as stable?
>
> Aren't they just pulling from Debian testing?  I've been a Debian
> testing user for 6-7 years and I don't mind being a step behind, it's
> a lot less broken.
>
> My thoughts on Mint are that it's a great desktop distro if you just
> want stuff to work.  You're not limited in fiddling with things and
> tweaking your OS and compiling your kernel and whatever it is you want
> to do, but you certainly don't have to.  I like that they have an XFCE
> distro pre-rolled so I don't even have to mess with window managers.
> When using a linux desktop I like light, fast distros that just work,
> and that's why I run Mint XFCE.
>
> If I have to build something custom-ish, I still fall back on Debian
> testing because I can build from the ground up.
>
> Brian
>
> >
> > Thanks for any insight!
> >
> > --
> > Jeremy MountainJohnson
> > jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From crosenblum at gmail.com  Wed Sep 19 09:51:25 2012
From: crosenblum at gmail.com (Craig Rosenblum)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 09:51:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Best place to get feet wet via a job?
Message-ID: <CAP3k0vmW_3Ggy2BpXJOwVLeyC9AdBiibuAw8CA4Xdme1_LU2Zw@mail.gmail.com>

I have never worked on any linux server at a job, and only know linux
from installing on my home pc.

ArchLinux, Linux Mint, Peppermint OS, Penguy OS, and some limited
gentoo knowledge/experience.

But I would love to find a job that maybe pays less, but helps give me
solid experience doing php/mysql programming on lamp.

Any suggestions?

Thank you.

From jake.vath at gmail.com  Wed Sep 19 10:02:03 2012
From: jake.vath at gmail.com (Jake Vath)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:02:03 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Best place to get feet wet via a job?
In-Reply-To: <CAP3k0vmW_3Ggy2BpXJOwVLeyC9AdBiibuAw8CA4Xdme1_LU2Zw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP3k0vmW_3Ggy2BpXJOwVLeyC9AdBiibuAw8CA4Xdme1_LU2Zw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMeWMmjBaZgGpOph5ZhwCZAT_anRqeOHVQgKqCa_kRex+htJTA@mail.gmail.com>

Do you want suggestions on where to find work? or are you looking for ways
to brush up on running your own LAMP stack? or both?

-> Jake

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Craig Rosenblum <crosenblum at gmail.com>wrote:

> I have never worked on any linux server at a job, and only know linux
> from installing on my home pc.
>
> ArchLinux, Linux Mint, Peppermint OS, Penguy OS, and some limited
> gentoo knowledge/experience.
>
> But I would love to find a job that maybe pays less, but helps give me
> solid experience doing php/mysql programming on lamp.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thank you.
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From jmore at starmind.org  Wed Sep 19 10:04:25 2012
From: jmore at starmind.org (Josh More)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:04:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Best place to get feet wet via a job?
In-Reply-To: <CAMeWMmjBaZgGpOph5ZhwCZAT_anRqeOHVQgKqCa_kRex+htJTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP3k0vmW_3Ggy2BpXJOwVLeyC9AdBiibuAw8CA4Xdme1_LU2Zw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMeWMmjBaZgGpOph5ZhwCZAT_anRqeOHVQgKqCa_kRex+htJTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3GUt_k_GWVJZSj4Si3eWbCheKECi8AU5ZKGNndpm55hyH2wg@mail.gmail.com>

Network with the entrepreneur community.  A lot of them are using
Linux on Amazon ECwhatever and OpenStack.  Work for a year in your
evenings and weekends providing as-needed admin services.

That will get you past the "need experience to get experience" trap
and into a job you want.

-Josh More

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Jake Vath <jake.vath at gmail.com> wrote:
> Do you want suggestions on where to find work? or are you looking for ways
> to brush up on running your own LAMP stack? or both?
>
> -> Jake
>
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Craig Rosenblum <crosenblum at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I have never worked on any linux server at a job, and only know linux
>> from installing on my home pc.
>>
>> ArchLinux, Linux Mint, Peppermint OS, Penguy OS, and some limited
>> gentoo knowledge/experience.
>>
>> But I would love to find a job that maybe pays less, but helps give me
>> solid experience doing php/mysql programming on lamp.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thank you.
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From crosenblum at gmail.com  Wed Sep 19 10:10:54 2012
From: crosenblum at gmail.com (Craig Rosenblum)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:10:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Best place to get feet wet via a job?
In-Reply-To: <CAMeWMmjBaZgGpOph5ZhwCZAT_anRqeOHVQgKqCa_kRex+htJTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP3k0vmW_3Ggy2BpXJOwVLeyC9AdBiibuAw8CA4Xdme1_LU2Zw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMeWMmjBaZgGpOph5ZhwCZAT_anRqeOHVQgKqCa_kRex+htJTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP3k0vkrTyuP=Yr0svXkrJdEVaK705ZAMUN0La2ZmY_8UQ5xDQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have never run a lamp stack. I have run apache/php/mysql on both
windows & linux. But usually using some installer.

But I am familiar with httpd.conf, php.ini files, and tweaking them.

I am very much a beginner with linux, but would like to just get an
entry level or intern job, just to get some practical experience in
linux/lamp work.

Setting up sites on lamp, doing php programming, mysql database work.

I am willing to work for free or cheap, just to get some experience,
and have someone take the time to teach me.

Thank you
-Craig

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Jake Vath <jake.vath at gmail.com> wrote:
> Do you want suggestions on where to find work? or are you looking for ways
> to brush up on running your own LAMP stack? or both?
>
> -> Jake
>
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Craig Rosenblum <crosenblum at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I have never worked on any linux server at a job, and only know linux
>> from installing on my home pc.
>>
>> ArchLinux, Linux Mint, Peppermint OS, Penguy OS, and some limited
>> gentoo knowledge/experience.
>>
>> But I would love to find a job that maybe pays less, but helps give me
>> solid experience doing php/mysql programming on lamp.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Thank you.
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From crosenblum at gmail.com  Wed Sep 19 10:40:24 2012
From: crosenblum at gmail.com (Craig Rosenblum)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:40:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Best place to get feet wet via a job?
In-Reply-To: <CAB3GUt_k_GWVJZSj4Si3eWbCheKECi8AU5ZKGNndpm55hyH2wg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP3k0vmW_3Ggy2BpXJOwVLeyC9AdBiibuAw8CA4Xdme1_LU2Zw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMeWMmjBaZgGpOph5ZhwCZAT_anRqeOHVQgKqCa_kRex+htJTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB3GUt_k_GWVJZSj4Si3eWbCheKECi8AU5ZKGNndpm55hyH2wg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP3k0vn6MFA8wipiu-q5PiFk0PLKtwN3j9b9wOrc6ne9pR9YCA@mail.gmail.com>

How? I see some jobs on craigslist, but most require pre-existing experience.

I don't mind cheap work, just where is a good place to look for such a job?

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Josh More <jmore at starmind.org> wrote:
> Network with the entrepreneur community.  A lot of them are using
> Linux on Amazon ECwhatever and OpenStack.  Work for a year in your
> evenings and weekends providing as-needed admin services.
>
> That will get you past the "need experience to get experience" trap
> and into a job you want.
>
> -Josh More
>
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Jake Vath <jake.vath at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Do you want suggestions on where to find work? or are you looking for ways
>> to brush up on running your own LAMP stack? or both?
>>
>> -> Jake
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Craig Rosenblum <crosenblum at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have never worked on any linux server at a job, and only know linux
>>> from installing on my home pc.
>>>
>>> ArchLinux, Linux Mint, Peppermint OS, Penguy OS, and some limited
>>> gentoo knowledge/experience.
>>>
>>> But I would love to find a job that maybe pays less, but helps give me
>>> solid experience doing php/mysql programming on lamp.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From ecrist at secure-computing.net  Wed Sep 19 10:42:23 2012
From: ecrist at secure-computing.net (Eric Crist)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:42:23 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Best place to get feet wet via a job?
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TCLUG jobs list works.  We hired an intern a few months ago, might be looking for another at some point in the future.  Look for paid internships.  They are out there.  We had a hell of a time finding someone.

-----
Eric F Crist



On Sep 19, 2012, at 10:40:24, Craig Rosenblum <crosenblum at gmail.com> wrote:

> How? I see some jobs on craigslist, but most require pre-existing experience.
> 
> I don't mind cheap work, just where is a good place to look for such a job?
> 
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Josh More <jmore at starmind.org> wrote:
>> Network with the entrepreneur community.  A lot of them are using
>> Linux on Amazon ECwhatever and OpenStack.  Work for a year in your
>> evenings and weekends providing as-needed admin services.
>> 
>> That will get you past the "need experience to get experience" trap
>> and into a job you want.
>> 
>> -Josh More
>> 
>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Jake Vath <jake.vath at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Do you want suggestions on where to find work? or are you looking for ways
>>> to brush up on running your own LAMP stack? or both?
>>> 
>>> -> Jake
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Craig Rosenblum <crosenblum at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have never worked on any linux server at a job, and only know linux
>>>> from installing on my home pc.
>>>> 
>>>> ArchLinux, Linux Mint, Peppermint OS, Penguy OS, and some limited
>>>> gentoo knowledge/experience.
>>>> 
>>>> But I would love to find a job that maybe pays less, but helps give me
>>>> solid experience doing php/mysql programming on lamp.
>>>> 
>>>> Any suggestions?
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From jmore at starmind.org  Wed Sep 19 10:42:53 2012
From: jmore at starmind.org (Josh More)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:42:53 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Best place to get feet wet via a job?
In-Reply-To: <CAP3k0vn6MFA8wipiu-q5PiFk0PLKtwN3j9b9wOrc6ne9pR9YCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP3k0vmW_3Ggy2BpXJOwVLeyC9AdBiibuAw8CA4Xdme1_LU2Zw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMeWMmjBaZgGpOph5ZhwCZAT_anRqeOHVQgKqCa_kRex+htJTA@mail.gmail.com>
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Google on "Twin Cities Start Up".

Search on Meetup.com as well.

Most of the ads posted are going to be for horrible jobs.  What you
want is to get a job through networking.  A lot of tech-focused
startups are willing to let you work wacky schedules in exchange for
not having to hire anyone right away.

-Josh More

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Craig Rosenblum <crosenblum at gmail.com> wrote:
> How? I see some jobs on craigslist, but most require pre-existing experience.
>
> I don't mind cheap work, just where is a good place to look for such a job?
>
> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Josh More <jmore at starmind.org> wrote:
>> Network with the entrepreneur community.  A lot of them are using
>> Linux on Amazon ECwhatever and OpenStack.  Work for a year in your
>> evenings and weekends providing as-needed admin services.
>>
>> That will get you past the "need experience to get experience" trap
>> and into a job you want.
>>
>> -Josh More
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Jake Vath <jake.vath at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Do you want suggestions on where to find work? or are you looking for ways
>>> to brush up on running your own LAMP stack? or both?
>>>
>>> -> Jake
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Craig Rosenblum <crosenblum at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have never worked on any linux server at a job, and only know linux
>>>> from installing on my home pc.
>>>>
>>>> ArchLinux, Linux Mint, Peppermint OS, Penguy OS, and some limited
>>>> gentoo knowledge/experience.
>>>>
>>>> But I would love to find a job that maybe pays less, but helps give me
>>>> solid experience doing php/mysql programming on lamp.
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From stuporglue at gmail.com  Wed Sep 19 10:52:47 2012
From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 10:52:47 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Best place to get feet wet via a job?
In-Reply-To: <CAP3k0vkrTyuP=Yr0svXkrJdEVaK705ZAMUN0La2ZmY_8UQ5xDQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Craig Rosenblum <crosenblum at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have never run a lamp stack. I have run apache/php/mysql on both
> windows & linux. But usually using some installer.
>
> But I am familiar with httpd.conf, php.ini files, and tweaking them.
>
> I am very much a beginner with linux, but would like to just get an
> entry level or intern job, just to get some practical experience in
> linux/lamp work.
>
> Setting up sites on lamp, doing php programming, mysql database work.
>
> I am willing to work for free or cheap, just to get some experience,
> and have someone take the time to teach me.

I got started when I had a similar level of experience. I'm sure that
there are many routes to take.

If you have ANY other skills I would encourage you to use them to get
a paying job and not work for free.

The three jobs that I had that got me from entry level to where I am
today were:

1) Support desk
Support was for teachers using Win and OSX desktops, but we had a
ticket tracking web page. When it broke I volunteered to try to fix it

2) QA Engineer
The job I was hired to do was to manually run written test scripts (on
Windows desktop software). When the company website needed fixes or
changes I volunteered.

3) QA Engineer
With the previous two jobs I was able to get a Linux software testing
job. My main job didn't involve Linux administration, I started by
used pre-made VMware images to test against, but grew into making my
own images. Also volunteered to help with website problems and changes
as they arose.

Other factors:
The first two jobs weren't even Linux jobs, but since Linux is hiding
everywhere I was able to work my way in. Both companies were small
enough (100ish people) that there wasn't a dedicated server admin
person. That does mean that I had to learn almost everything on my
own. I have always had a toy Linux server at home. I use it as a home
media server, backup server, development web server, etc. where I
could try new things.

Michael Moore
-- 
Support the digitization of the Iron County Miner newspaper archives
Like this project on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/digitizeicm

From tclug at jfoo.org  Wed Sep 19 15:17:05 2012
From: tclug at jfoo.org (John Gateley)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 15:17:05 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Chef users?
Message-ID: <58961.167.206.189.6.1348085825.squirrel@mail.jfoo.org>

Are there any chef users on this list? Wannabe chef users?
I'm just starting with it, and it's a bit overwhelming.
It would be nice to talk to others about it.

Also, pointers to chef consultants welcome.

Thanks

John



From nesius at gmail.com  Thu Sep 20 02:06:15 2012
From: nesius at gmail.com (Robert Nesius)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 02:06:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Best place to get feet wet via a job?
In-Reply-To: <CAFE18KUrZoP+NDNeFtXJQ2rdGrr2Czu2uh+LMad02gsaXAES4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP3k0vmW_3Ggy2BpXJOwVLeyC9AdBiibuAw8CA4Xdme1_LU2Zw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Craig Rosenblum <crosenblum at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I have never run a lamp stack. I have run apache/php/mysql on both
> > windows & linux. But usually using some installer.
> >
> > But I am familiar with httpd.conf, php.ini files, and tweaking them.
> >
> > I am very much a beginner with linux, but would like to just get an
> > entry level or intern job, just to get some practical experience in
> > linux/lamp work.
> >
> > Setting up sites on lamp, doing php programming, mysql database work.
> >
> > I am willing to work for free or cheap, just to get some experience,
> > and have someone take the time to teach me.
>
>
If you're really interested in web-dev, focus on the web-dev technologies,
not Linux.  If you're interested in Linux, jump in and start playing.  By
playing, I mean try to do things on Linux using Open Source tool chains.
 You'll inevitably have to spend time reading docs and experiment, and bit
by bit you'll learn.  There's really no substitute for "doing stuff". . .

-Rob
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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 20 13:38:24 2012
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 14:38:24 -0400
Subject: [tclug-list] Best place to get feet wet via a job?
Message-ID: <CABWFOjtHVDtStpo0feWJ11NOv4aN-2D54QenB2zitONErzdVcA@mail.gmail.com>

Robert Nesius

> If you're really interested in web-dev, focus on the web-dev technologies,
> not Linux.  If you're interested in Linux, jump in and start playing.  By
> playing, I mean try to do things on Linux using Open Source tool chains.
> You'll inevitably have to spend time reading docs and experiment, and bit
> by bit you'll learn.  There's really no substitute for "doing stuff". . .

I think the stuff about open-source here is silly.  To the OP:
use whatever works for you.  Personally, I use a combination
of open-source and closed-source tools.


-- 
Brian Wood
Ebenezer Enterprises
http://webEbenezer.net

"When the righteous (Lincoln, Eisenhower ...) are in authority,
the people rejoice: but when the wicked rule, the people mourn."
Proverbs 29:2
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From mgreenly at gmail.com  Thu Sep 20 13:47:26 2012
From: mgreenly at gmail.com (Michael Greenly)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 13:47:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Best place to get feet wet via a job?
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjtHVDtStpo0feWJ11NOv4aN-2D54QenB2zitONErzdVcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjtHVDtStpo0feWJ11NOv4aN-2D54QenB2zitONErzdVcA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAChQk+O6rSvuAarCcSZQT+ro7_w5aH2uzY7HxFVGGJrNfCyHjw@mail.gmail.com>

Just for curiosity's sake what closed source commercial applications do you
use?  I've tried a few things but never found anything compelling?

I always seem to fall back to Vim and command line tools.

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Robert Nesius
>
>
> > If you're really interested in web-dev, focus on the web-dev
> technologies,
> > not Linux.  If you're interested in Linux, jump in and start playing.  By
> > playing, I mean try to do things on Linux using Open Source tool chains.
> > You'll inevitably have to spend time reading docs and experiment, and bit
> > by bit you'll learn.  There's really no substitute for "doing stuff". . .
>
> I think the stuff about open-source here is silly.  To the OP:
> use whatever works for you.  Personally, I use a combination
> of open-source and closed-source tools.
>
>
> --
> Brian Wood
> Ebenezer Enterprises
> http://webEbenezer.net
>
> "When the righteous (Lincoln, Eisenhower ...) are in authority,
> the people rejoice: but when the wicked rule, the people mourn."
> Proverbs 29:2
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>


-- 
Michael Greenly
http://logic-refinery.com
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From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com  Thu Sep 20 18:40:24 2012
From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:40:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Best place to get feet wet via a job?
In-Reply-To: <CAP3k0vmW_3Ggy2BpXJOwVLeyC9AdBiibuAw8CA4Xdme1_LU2Zw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP3k0vmW_3Ggy2BpXJOwVLeyC9AdBiibuAw8CA4Xdme1_LU2Zw@mail.gmail.com>
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Not sure what current field you are in at the moment. I found that I
was able to bring my Linux knowledge to three of my last / current
employers, which was nice, since I wanted to work with the Linux
platform professionally like you.

Before implementing Linux at my employers, I was interviewed for a job
from TCLUG jobs awhile back- got an offer but the pay was very low and
I ended up taking another offer. I noticed they we're having a hard
time finding experienced Linux folks. If you can show your *nix skills
in an interview, that's the key (Linux isn't easy to BS in an
interview). And, frankly good Linux people in MN aren't easy to come
by based on my experience in a corporate and government settings.

Good luck,

--
Jeremy MountainJohnson
Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com


On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Craig Rosenblum <crosenblum at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> I have never worked on any linux server at a job, and only know linux
> from installing on my home pc.
>
> ArchLinux, Linux Mint, Peppermint OS, Penguy OS, and some limited
> gentoo knowledge/experience.
>
> But I would love to find a job that maybe pays less, but helps give me
> solid experience doing php/mysql programming on lamp.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thank you.
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From kc0iog at gmail.com  Thu Sep 20 22:03:48 2012
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2012 22:03:48 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Best place to get feet wet via a job?
In-Reply-To: <CAP3k0vmW_3Ggy2BpXJOwVLeyC9AdBiibuAw8CA4Xdme1_LU2Zw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP3k0vmW_3Ggy2BpXJOwVLeyC9AdBiibuAw8CA4Xdme1_LU2Zw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3QoPk+t2O++Bsdn-nr=0CU=Xbnf8dHk33RDrdk-tHROAFXdg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Craig Rosenblum <crosenblum at gmail.com> wrote:
> I have never worked on any linux server at a job, and only know linux
> from installing on my home pc.

What do you do now?  Are you in an IT position?  Try to find a way to
implement a Linux solution to solve a problem.  I once built a squid
box for a very specific purpose, and from there it was an easier sell
to get some Linux boxes in the environment.  If you can build and
maintain a LAMP stack, think about something that you could build that
would benefit your place of work.  Good resume material :-)

If you're not afraid of helpdesk, look for a support gig for a company
that sells *nix based appliances.  McAffee comes to mind, as well as
Isilon.  Barrier1 is occasionally looking for support folks too.
These are nice because you don't have to know *nix to support the
product, but if you do, you become an asset very quickly.

If you have free cycles to burn, check out www.icanhelptwincities.com.
 I've seen postings out there for sysadmins, usually unpaid, but it
would be a boost on your resume if you found a linux gig.
Opportunities come and go so check back if you don't see something
you're interested in.

And of course, network.  Not the TCP kind, the talk to people kind.
Get to know local sysadmins and keep an ear open.

Brian

From ron at ron-l-j.com  Fri Sep 21 15:11:12 2012
From: ron at ron-l-j.com (ron at ron-l-j.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:11:12 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Getting feet wet via a job
Message-ID: <4d788ebdfdb6ace789c1cc8f3ee2e25d.squirrel@www.ron-l-j.com>

    I am also Looking for a Linux postion. I am looking for an internship
that could lead to a job. I have experience working with a linux based
e commerce store here in eagan. Making html/css changes and dealing
with hosting providers. The company uses x-cart on redhat servers.
After much planning, and multiple projects with x-cart and the
inflexible nature of the platform coupled with the lack of
documentation and failed projects(expensive) proposed by outside
companies of developers. The CEO is going to switch to Magento. A
better documented, and more flexible framework. I had advised the
switch after about 30 hours of digging into the x-cart framework over
a year ago. While I am excited about the switch and would not mind
working on the project I need to be somewhere else for my internship.

    I have been working with Linux since 2004 and A have made great
progress towards my LPI certification for RPM and Debian systems. I
would like to become redhat certified but the cost is too high for me
right now. I have excellent knowledge of RPM systems and I am working
on my Debian skills in preparation for the LPI exams. I have about 2
months left before completing my Bachelors in Information Technology
with a focus on networking and management. Most of my classes have
been in administration of Linux, Apple, and Microsoft servers. Cisco
lan, and wan from the command line, project management, Object
Oriented Analysis and design, Bash scripting. Advanced Linux services,
DNS, IPtables, NNTP,DHCP. In addition to my degree I am taking a
Python programming certificate course through O'rielly school of
technology and the university of Illinois.
    I need 100 hours an a project some where in the metro with a
supervisor that can sign off on my work and provide feedback. Let me
know your thoughts, and advice is always welcome.

Thank you for your time,
Ronald L Johnson
ron at ron-l-j.com


From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 21 19:41:22 2012
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 19:41:22 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Best place to get feet wet via a job?
Message-ID: <CABWFOjtLOFKJ-sXoq0ToNFq=7HvPDbJLbCfG5ynx7J9i0aA0kQ@mail.gmail.com>

Michael Greenly:
> Just for curiosity's sake what closed source commercial applications do
you
> use?  I've tried a few things but never found anything compelling?
>
Windows and Microsoft compilers.  Using that software is
mostly a pain, but from time to time they do something well.

I've not used Totalview recently, but it enjoys a good
reputation among the debuggers available on LInux.


> I always seem to fall back to Vim and command line tools.

Me too.  Originally with what I'm working on -- an on line
code generator -- I had a web interface.  Twelve or so
years ago that seemed to make sense, but eventually
someone suggested a command line interface and I realized
that was a better idea than a web interface.  Developing the
command line interface over the past few years has been a
great experience.
http://webEbenezer.net/build_integration.html .


https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!searchin/comp.lang.c$2B$2B/investment$20review$20brian%7Csort:date/comp.lang.c++/YiW387bQSds/76r-x7saSeYJ

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Should start another thread but am lazy...

sock_type cmw::udp_server (uint32_t port)
{
  sock_type sd = getSocket(SOCK_DGRAM);
  sockaddr_in si_me;
  si_me.sin_family = AF_INET;
  si_me.sin_port = htons(port);
  si_me.sin_addr.s_addr = htonl(INADDR_ANY);
  ::std::memset(&si_me.sin_zero, 0, sizeof(si_me.sin_zero));
  if (::bind(sd, (sockaddr*) &si_me, sizeof(si_me))==-1) {
    throw failure("udp Bind errno: ") << GetError();
  }
  return sd;
}

Is the memset needed?  Stevens says sin_zero is not used.
Others on the newsgroups say clearing the field is needed
on a few platforms.  I've left the memset in just to be on the
safe side.

-- 
Brian Wood
Ebenezer Enterprises
http://webEbenezer.net
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From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Tue Sep 25 01:15:58 2012
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 01:15:58 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for Speaker for September 29th Penguins
	Unbound Meeting.
Message-ID: <50614C1E.7010703@Goecke-Dolan.com>

This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be
Saturday September 29th at TIES,
1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108
from 10:00am to 12:00pm
(See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more
info.)

Looking for a Speaker!

I would be interested in someone speaking about using Linux Raid. Or if 
someone would be willing to talk about Cheif or Puppet that would be 
great also.

Or anything someone would be willing to share!

Hope to see you there!

==>brian.

*** STREAMING ***
If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting.
mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800

You should be able to connect with either:
mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800
or
vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 --
electrons are not important in nuclear chemistry

From zarhooie at gmail.com  Wed Sep 26 00:11:15 2012
From: zarhooie at gmail.com (Kat Toomajian)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 00:11:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Well, that didn't go as planned...
In-Reply-To: <CAEeVNhLEpnJhwLBa3ygUb_tQeGt=NGO3UGJw5KuDFjzC4scGfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEeVNhLEpnJhwLBa3ygUb_tQeGt=NGO3UGJw5KuDFjzC4scGfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEeVNhLPBudxuMGE3R+hY+_xXbWNmrMi=UY9umgzR=rPh6W+0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone!

My name is Kat. :) I decided that tonight would be a good night to upgrade
to Ubuntu 12.04. I have done upgrades solo before, and haven't had any
issues. The upgrade went fine, right up until the part where I started
getting a bunch of notifications that said the packets were already
installed. I thought maybe that was normal, clicked ok, and went on with
the process.

When I rebooted, I had no menu bars, no terminal, and no internet
connection! Nooooooooo! I am in *way* over my head, and I really hope one
of you fine folks can help me out! I make pretty awesome cookies...

Help me, Obi-Wan Tclug! You are my only hope!

Fingers crossed,
Kat

(PS: Acer Aspire One, model # ZG5, 1.5 GB RAM. Nothing fancy.)
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Wed Sep 26 00:21:17 2012
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 00:21:17 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Well, that didn't go as planned...
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Hmm. Not sure about actually getting the installation fixed right this 
second, but can you make an Ubuntu installation CD and then boot to the 
live Ubuntu and make sure you can access (and hopefully back up) all your 
data? You might want to get all your important stuff backed up before you 
try to fix anything. Worst case scenario, you then reinstall from scratch 
and restore all your data.

Quite likely backing up your homedir would be enough, and then restoring 
it to a fresh installation. All your settings/bookmarks/whatever should be 
in there. As worst case scenarios go, it's a pretty good one.

On Wed, 26 Sep 2012, Kat Toomajian wrote:

> 
> Hi everyone!
> 
> My name is Kat. :) I decided that tonight would be a good night to upgrade
> to Ubuntu 12.04. I have done upgrades solo before, and haven't had any
> issues. The upgrade went fine, right up until the part where I started
> getting a bunch of notifications that said the packets were already
> installed. I thought maybe that was normal, clicked ok, and went on with the
> process.
> 
> When I rebooted, I had no menu bars, no terminal, and no internet
> connection! Nooooooooo! I am in *way* over my head, and I really hope one of
> you fine folks can help me out! I make pretty awesome cookies...
> 
> Help me, Obi-Wan Tclug! You are my only hope!
> 
> Fingers crossed,
> Kat
> 
> (PS: Acer Aspire One, model # ZG5, 1.5 GB RAM. Nothing fancy.)
> 
> 
>


-Yaron

--

From zarhooie at gmail.com  Wed Sep 26 00:29:46 2012
From: zarhooie at gmail.com (Kat Toomajian)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 00:29:46 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Well, that didn't go as planned...
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1209260018230.17035@dragon>
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Message-ID: <CAEeVNhKzqRUj2hjcE_vKgsPZRpOAcPbY3ACo-vBjpg5YVn=9Zg@mail.gmail.com>

I gave up on getting anything resolved tonight, so no worries there. My
netbook doesn't have an optical drive, but I think I can do it via a
flashdrive. Too tired to dig mine out tonight though.

Backing up my data is a good plan. I can set that up tonight to run
overnight, if I can get to the utility.

K
On Sep 26, 2012 12:21 AM, "Yaron" <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:

> Hmm. Not sure about actually getting the installation fixed right this
> second, but can you make an Ubuntu installation CD and then boot to the
> live Ubuntu and make sure you can access (and hopefully back up) all your
> data? You might want to get all your important stuff backed up before you
> try to fix anything. Worst case scenario, you then reinstall from scratch
> and restore all your data.
>
> Quite likely backing up your homedir would be enough, and then restoring
> it to a fresh installation. All your settings/bookmarks/whatever should be
> in there. As worst case scenarios go, it's a pretty good one.
>
> On Wed, 26 Sep 2012, Kat Toomajian wrote:
>
>
>> Hi everyone!
>>
>> My name is Kat. :) I decided that tonight would be a good night to upgrade
>> to Ubuntu 12.04. I have done upgrades solo before, and haven't had any
>> issues. The upgrade went fine, right up until the part where I started
>> getting a bunch of notifications that said the packets were already
>> installed. I thought maybe that was normal, clicked ok, and went on with
>> the
>> process.
>>
>> When I rebooted, I had no menu bars, no terminal, and no internet
>> connection! Nooooooooo! I am in *way* over my head, and I really hope one
>> of
>> you fine folks can help me out! I make pretty awesome cookies...
>>
>> Help me, Obi-Wan Tclug! You are my only hope!
>>
>> Fingers crossed,
>> Kat
>>
>> (PS: Acer Aspire One, model # ZG5, 1.5 GB RAM. Nothing fancy.)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> -Yaron
>
> --
> ______________________________**_________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list<http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Wed Sep 26 00:31:22 2012
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 00:31:22 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Well, that didn't go as planned...
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Yeah, flashdrive, sorry, my mind was in... well, 10 years ago I guess (: 
if you can boot from a flashdrive with enough space you can probably just 
bulk-copy your homedir over to it.

On Wed, 26 Sep 2012, Kat Toomajian wrote:

> 
> I gave up on getting anything resolved tonight, so no worries there. My
> netbook doesn't have an optical drive, but I think I can do it via a
> flashdrive. Too tired to dig mine out tonight though.
> 
> Backing up my data is a good plan. I can set that up tonight to run
> overnight, if I can get to the utility.
> 
> K
> 
> On Sep 26, 2012 12:21 AM, "Yaron" <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>       Hmm. Not sure about actually getting the installation fixed
>       right this second, but can you make an Ubuntu installation CD
>       and then boot to the live Ubuntu and make sure you can access
>       (and hopefully back up) all your data? You might want to get all
>       your important stuff backed up before you try to fix anything.
>       Worst case scenario, you then reinstall from scratch and restore
>       all your data.
>
>       Quite likely backing up your homedir would be enough, and then
>       restoring it to a fresh installation. All your
>       settings/bookmarks/whatever should be in there. As worst case
>       scenarios go, it's a pretty good one.
>
>       On Wed, 26 Sep 2012, Kat Toomajian wrote:
> 
>
>             Hi everyone!
>
>             My name is Kat. :) I decided that tonight would be a
>             good night to upgrade
>             to Ubuntu 12.04. I have done upgrades solo before,
>             and haven't had any
>             issues. The upgrade went fine, right up until the
>             part where I started
>             getting a bunch of notifications that said the
>             packets were already
>             installed. I thought maybe that was normal, clicked
>             ok, and went on with the
>             process.
>
>             When I rebooted, I had no menu bars, no terminal,
>             and no internet
>             connection! Nooooooooo! I am in *way* over my head,
>             and I really hope one of
>             you fine folks can help me out! I make pretty
>             awesome cookies...
>
>             Help me, Obi-Wan Tclug! You are my only hope!
>
>             Fingers crossed,
>             Kat
>
>             (PS: Acer Aspire One, model # ZG5, 1.5 GB RAM.
>             Nothing fancy.)
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>       -Yaron
>
>       --
>       _______________________________________________
>       TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>       tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>       http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
>


-Yaron

--

From joel.longanecker at gmail.com  Wed Sep 26 12:54:30 2012
From: joel.longanecker at gmail.com (Joel Longanecker)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:54:30 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Well, that didn't go as planned...
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1209260030440.17035@dragon>
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Oh dear, Ubuntu really needs to get their Dist Upgrade process figured out.


Can you still do ctrl + alt + f1 to bring up a command line terminal?

You might be able to get this to work


sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop
sudo apt-get install unity




On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Yaron <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:

> Yeah, flashdrive, sorry, my mind was in... well, 10 years ago I guess (:
> if you can boot from a flashdrive with enough space you can probably just
> bulk-copy your homedir over to it.
>
>
> On Wed, 26 Sep 2012, Kat Toomajian wrote:
>
>
>> I gave up on getting anything resolved tonight, so no worries there. My
>> netbook doesn't have an optical drive, but I think I can do it via a
>> flashdrive. Too tired to dig mine out tonight though.
>>
>> Backing up my data is a good plan. I can set that up tonight to run
>> overnight, if I can get to the utility.
>>
>> K
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2012 12:21 AM, "Yaron" <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>       Hmm. Not sure about actually getting the installation fixed
>>       right this second, but can you make an Ubuntu installation CD
>>       and then boot to the live Ubuntu and make sure you can access
>>       (and hopefully back up) all your data? You might want to get all
>>       your important stuff backed up before you try to fix anything.
>>       Worst case scenario, you then reinstall from scratch and restore
>>       all your data.
>>
>>       Quite likely backing up your homedir would be enough, and then
>>       restoring it to a fresh installation. All your
>>       settings/bookmarks/whatever should be in there. As worst case
>>       scenarios go, it's a pretty good one.
>>
>>       On Wed, 26 Sep 2012, Kat Toomajian wrote:
>>
>>
>>             Hi everyone!
>>
>>             My name is Kat. :) I decided that tonight would be a
>>             good night to upgrade
>>             to Ubuntu 12.04. I have done upgrades solo before,
>>             and haven't had any
>>             issues. The upgrade went fine, right up until the
>>             part where I started
>>             getting a bunch of notifications that said the
>>             packets were already
>>             installed. I thought maybe that was normal, clicked
>>             ok, and went on with the
>>             process.
>>
>>             When I rebooted, I had no menu bars, no terminal,
>>             and no internet
>>             connection! Nooooooooo! I am in *way* over my head,
>>             and I really hope one of
>>             you fine folks can help me out! I make pretty
>>             awesome cookies...
>>
>>             Help me, Obi-Wan Tclug! You are my only hope!
>>
>>             Fingers crossed,
>>             Kat
>>
>>             (PS: Acer Aspire One, model # ZG5, 1.5 GB RAM.
>>             Nothing fancy.)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>       -Yaron
>>
>>       --
>>       ______________________________**_________________
>>       TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>       tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>       http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list<http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> -Yaron
>
> --
> ______________________________**_________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list<http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
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From zarhooie at gmail.com  Wed Sep 26 14:31:07 2012
From: zarhooie at gmail.com (Kat Toomajian)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 14:31:07 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Well, that didn't go as planned...
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I ended up there this morning, and reinstalling Unity fixed the issue. I
used Aptitude instead of apt-get though.

Thank you for your help!

Kat
On Sep 26, 2012 12:54 PM, "Joel Longanecker" <joel.longanecker at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Oh dear, Ubuntu really needs to get their Dist Upgrade process figured out.
>
>
> Can you still do ctrl + alt + f1 to bring up a command line terminal?
>
> You might be able to get this to work
>
>
> sudo apt-get update
> sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop
> sudo apt-get install unity
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Yaron <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, flashdrive, sorry, my mind was in... well, 10 years ago I guess (:
>> if you can boot from a flashdrive with enough space you can probably just
>> bulk-copy your homedir over to it.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 26 Sep 2012, Kat Toomajian wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I gave up on getting anything resolved tonight, so no worries there. My
>>> netbook doesn't have an optical drive, but I think I can do it via a
>>> flashdrive. Too tired to dig mine out tonight though.
>>>
>>> Backing up my data is a good plan. I can set that up tonight to run
>>> overnight, if I can get to the utility.
>>>
>>> K
>>>
>>> On Sep 26, 2012 12:21 AM, "Yaron" <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>>       Hmm. Not sure about actually getting the installation fixed
>>>       right this second, but can you make an Ubuntu installation CD
>>>       and then boot to the live Ubuntu and make sure you can access
>>>       (and hopefully back up) all your data? You might want to get all
>>>       your important stuff backed up before you try to fix anything.
>>>       Worst case scenario, you then reinstall from scratch and restore
>>>       all your data.
>>>
>>>       Quite likely backing up your homedir would be enough, and then
>>>       restoring it to a fresh installation. All your
>>>       settings/bookmarks/whatever should be in there. As worst case
>>>       scenarios go, it's a pretty good one.
>>>
>>>       On Wed, 26 Sep 2012, Kat Toomajian wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>             Hi everyone!
>>>
>>>             My name is Kat. :) I decided that tonight would be a
>>>             good night to upgrade
>>>             to Ubuntu 12.04. I have done upgrades solo before,
>>>             and haven't had any
>>>             issues. The upgrade went fine, right up until the
>>>             part where I started
>>>             getting a bunch of notifications that said the
>>>             packets were already
>>>             installed. I thought maybe that was normal, clicked
>>>             ok, and went on with the
>>>             process.
>>>
>>>             When I rebooted, I had no menu bars, no terminal,
>>>             and no internet
>>>             connection! Nooooooooo! I am in *way* over my head,
>>>             and I really hope one of
>>>             you fine folks can help me out! I make pretty
>>>             awesome cookies...
>>>
>>>             Help me, Obi-Wan Tclug! You are my only hope!
>>>
>>>             Fingers crossed,
>>>             Kat
>>>
>>>             (PS: Acer Aspire One, model # ZG5, 1.5 GB RAM.
>>>             Nothing fancy.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       -Yaron
>>>
>>>       --
>>>       ______________________________**_________________
>>>       TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>       tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>       http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list<http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> -Yaron
>>
>> --
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list<http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Wed Sep 26 15:46:03 2012
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 15:46:03 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Well, that didn't go as planned...
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So everything's working? Great! Now about those cookies...

On Wed, 26 Sep 2012, Kat Toomajian wrote:

> 
> I ended up there this morning, and reinstalling Unity fixed the issue. I
> used Aptitude instead of apt-get though.
> 
> Thank you for your help!
> 
> Kat
> 
> On Sep 26, 2012 12:54 PM, "Joel Longanecker" <joel.longanecker at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>       Oh dear, Ubuntu really needs to get their Dist Upgrade process
>       figured out.
> 
> Can you still do ctrl + alt + f1 to bring up a command line terminal?
> 
> You might be able to get this to work
> 
> 
> 
> sudo apt-get update
> sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop
> sudo apt-get install unity
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Yaron <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>       Yeah, flashdrive, sorry, my mind was in... well, 10 years
>       ago I guess (: if you can boot from a flashdrive with
>       enough space you can probably just bulk-copy your homedir
>       over to it.
>
>       On Wed, 26 Sep 2012, Kat Toomajian wrote:
> 
>
>             I gave up on getting anything resolved
>             tonight, so no worries there. My
>             netbook doesn't have an optical drive, but I
>             think I can do it via a
>             flashdrive. Too tired to dig mine out tonight
>             though.
>
>             Backing up my data is a good plan. I can set
>             that up tonight to run
>             overnight, if I can get to the utility.
>
>             K
>
>             On Sep 26, 2012 12:21 AM, "Yaron"
>             <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>             ? ? ? Hmm. Not sure about actually getting the
>             installation fixed
>             ? ? ? right this second, but can you make an
>             Ubuntu installation CD
>             ? ? ? and then boot to the live Ubuntu and
>             make sure you can access
>             ? ? ? (and hopefully back up) all your data?
>             You might want to get all
>             ? ? ? your important stuff backed up before
>             you try to fix anything.
>             ? ? ? Worst case scenario, you then reinstall
>             from scratch and restore
>             ? ? ? all your data.
>
>             ? ? ? Quite likely backing up your homedir
>             would be enough, and then
>             ? ? ? restoring it to a fresh installation.
>             All your
>             ? ? ? settings/bookmarks/whatever should be in
>             there. As worst case
>             ? ? ? scenarios go, it's a pretty good one.
>
>             ? ? ? On Wed, 26 Sep 2012, Kat Toomajian
>             wrote:
> 
>
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? Hi everyone!
>
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? My name is Kat. :) I decided that
>             tonight would be a
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? good night to upgrade
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? to Ubuntu 12.04. I have done
>             upgrades solo before,
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? and haven't had any
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? issues. The upgrade went fine,
>             right up until the
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? part where I started
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? getting a bunch of notifications
>             that said the
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? packets were already
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? installed. I thought maybe that
>             was normal, clicked
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? ok, and went on with the
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? process.
>
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? When I rebooted, I had no menu
>             bars, no terminal,
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? and no internet
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? connection! Nooooooooo! I am in
>             *way* over my head,
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? and I really hope one of
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? you fine folks can help me out! I
>             make pretty
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? awesome cookies...
>
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? Help me, Obi-Wan Tclug! You are my
>             only hope!
>
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? Fingers crossed,
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? Kat
>
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? (PS: Acer Aspire One, model # ZG5,
>             1.5 GB RAM.
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? Nothing fancy.)
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>             ? ? ? -Yaron
>
>             ? ? ? --
>             ? ? ?
>             _______________________________________________
>             ? ? ? TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St.
>             Paul, Minnesota
>             ? ? ? tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>             ? ? ?
>             http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>       -Yaron
>
>       --
>       _______________________________________________
>       TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>       tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>       http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
>


-Yaron

--

From zarhooie at gmail.com  Wed Sep 26 20:00:57 2012
From: zarhooie at gmail.com (Kat Toomajian)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 20:00:57 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Well, that didn't go as planned...
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1209261545460.4080@dragon>
References: <CAEeVNhLEpnJhwLBa3ygUb_tQeGt=NGO3UGJw5KuDFjzC4scGfg@mail.gmail.com>
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I'll be in one of the northern suburbs this weekend at an SCA event.
If anyone wants cookies, show up. ;)

And, if you tell me ahead of time that you're coming, I might even be
convinced to make bacon chocolate chip cookies.

-Kat
Aut viam inveniam aut faciam.
I will either find a way or make one.


On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Yaron <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> So everything's working? Great! Now about those cookies...
>
>
> On Wed, 26 Sep 2012, Kat Toomajian wrote:
>
>>
>> I ended up there this morning, and reinstalling Unity fixed the issue. I
>> used Aptitude instead of apt-get though.
>>
>> Thank you for your help!
>>
>> Kat
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2012 12:54 PM, "Joel Longanecker" <joel.longanecker at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>       Oh dear, Ubuntu really needs to get their Dist Upgrade process
>>       figured out.
>>
>> Can you still do ctrl + alt + f1 to bring up a command line terminal?
>>
>> You might be able to get this to work
>>
>>
>>
>> sudo apt-get update
>> sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop
>> sudo apt-get install unity
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Yaron <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>       Yeah, flashdrive, sorry, my mind was in... well, 10 years
>>       ago I guess (: if you can boot from a flashdrive with
>>       enough space you can probably just bulk-copy your homedir
>>       over to it.
>>
>>       On Wed, 26 Sep 2012, Kat Toomajian wrote:
>>
>>
>>             I gave up on getting anything resolved
>>             tonight, so no worries there. My
>>             netbook doesn't have an optical drive, but I
>>             think I can do it via a
>>             flashdrive. Too tired to dig mine out tonight
>>             though.
>>
>>             Backing up my data is a good plan. I can set
>>             that up tonight to run
>>             overnight, if I can get to the utility.
>>
>>             K
>>
>>             On Sep 26, 2012 12:21 AM, "Yaron"
>>             <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>                   Hmm. Not sure about actually getting the
>>             installation fixed
>>                   right this second, but can you make an
>>             Ubuntu installation CD
>>                   and then boot to the live Ubuntu and
>>             make sure you can access
>>                   (and hopefully back up) all your data?
>>             You might want to get all
>>                   your important stuff backed up before
>>             you try to fix anything.
>>                   Worst case scenario, you then reinstall
>>             from scratch and restore
>>                   all your data.
>>
>>                   Quite likely backing up your homedir
>>             would be enough, and then
>>                   restoring it to a fresh installation.
>>             All your
>>                   settings/bookmarks/whatever should be in
>>             there. As worst case
>>                   scenarios go, it's a pretty good one.
>>
>>                   On Wed, 26 Sep 2012, Kat Toomajian
>>             wrote:
>>
>>
>>                         Hi everyone!
>>
>>                         My name is Kat. :) I decided that
>>             tonight would be a
>>                         good night to upgrade
>>                         to Ubuntu 12.04. I have done
>>             upgrades solo before,
>>                         and haven't had any
>>                         issues. The upgrade went fine,
>>             right up until the
>>                         part where I started
>>                         getting a bunch of notifications
>>             that said the
>>                         packets were already
>>                         installed. I thought maybe that
>>             was normal, clicked
>>                         ok, and went on with the
>>                         process.
>>
>>                         When I rebooted, I had no menu
>>             bars, no terminal,
>>                         and no internet
>>                         connection! Nooooooooo! I am in
>>             *way* over my head,
>>                         and I really hope one of
>>                         you fine folks can help me out! I
>>             make pretty
>>                         awesome cookies...
>>
>>                         Help me, Obi-Wan Tclug! You are my
>>             only hope!
>>
>>                         Fingers crossed,
>>                         Kat
>>
>>                         (PS: Acer Aspire One, model # ZG5,
>>             1.5 GB RAM.
>>                         Nothing fancy.)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                   -Yaron
>>
>>                   --
>>
>>             _______________________________________________
>>                   TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St.
>>             Paul, Minnesota
>>                   tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>
>>             http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>       -Yaron
>>
>>       --
>>       _______________________________________________
>>       TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>       tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>       http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -Yaron
>
> --
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From tclug at freakzilla.com  Wed Sep 26 20:06:20 2012
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 20:06:20 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Well, that didn't go as planned...
In-Reply-To: <CAEeVNh+Vg5g9QQnUqSz-ZFGDWsb_bmOe2j5eeTzSNn8PBsseGg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1209262006050.20810@dragon>

You had me at "SCA event"... but you lost me at "bacon" (;

On Wed, 26 Sep 2012, Kat Toomajian wrote:

> I'll be in one of the northern suburbs this weekend at an SCA event.
> If anyone wants cookies, show up. ;)
>
> And, if you tell me ahead of time that you're coming, I might even be
> convinced to make bacon chocolate chip cookies.
>
> -Kat
> Aut viam inveniam aut faciam.
> I will either find a way or make one.
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Yaron <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>> So everything's working? Great! Now about those cookies...
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 26 Sep 2012, Kat Toomajian wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I ended up there this morning, and reinstalling Unity fixed the issue. I
>>> used Aptitude instead of apt-get though.
>>>
>>> Thank you for your help!
>>>
>>> Kat
>>>
>>> On Sep 26, 2012 12:54 PM, "Joel Longanecker" <joel.longanecker at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>       Oh dear, Ubuntu really needs to get their Dist Upgrade process
>>>       figured out.
>>>
>>> Can you still do ctrl + alt + f1 to bring up a command line terminal?
>>>
>>> You might be able to get this to work
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> sudo apt-get update
>>> sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop
>>> sudo apt-get install unity
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Yaron <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>>       Yeah, flashdrive, sorry, my mind was in... well, 10 years
>>>       ago I guess (: if you can boot from a flashdrive with
>>>       enough space you can probably just bulk-copy your homedir
>>>       over to it.
>>>
>>>       On Wed, 26 Sep 2012, Kat Toomajian wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>             I gave up on getting anything resolved
>>>             tonight, so no worries there. My
>>>             netbook doesn't have an optical drive, but I
>>>             think I can do it via a
>>>             flashdrive. Too tired to dig mine out tonight
>>>             though.
>>>
>>>             Backing up my data is a good plan. I can set
>>>             that up tonight to run
>>>             overnight, if I can get to the utility.
>>>
>>>             K
>>>
>>>             On Sep 26, 2012 12:21 AM, "Yaron"
>>>             <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>>                   Hmm. Not sure about actually getting the
>>>             installation fixed
>>>                   right this second, but can you make an
>>>             Ubuntu installation CD
>>>                   and then boot to the live Ubuntu and
>>>             make sure you can access
>>>                   (and hopefully back up) all your data?
>>>             You might want to get all
>>>                   your important stuff backed up before
>>>             you try to fix anything.
>>>                   Worst case scenario, you then reinstall
>>>             from scratch and restore
>>>                   all your data.
>>>
>>>                   Quite likely backing up your homedir
>>>             would be enough, and then
>>>                   restoring it to a fresh installation.
>>>             All your
>>>                   settings/bookmarks/whatever should be in
>>>             there. As worst case
>>>                   scenarios go, it's a pretty good one.
>>>
>>>                   On Wed, 26 Sep 2012, Kat Toomajian
>>>             wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>                         Hi everyone!
>>>
>>>                         My name is Kat. :) I decided that
>>>             tonight would be a
>>>                         good night to upgrade
>>>                         to Ubuntu 12.04. I have done
>>>             upgrades solo before,
>>>                         and haven't had any
>>>                         issues. The upgrade went fine,
>>>             right up until the
>>>                         part where I started
>>>                         getting a bunch of notifications
>>>             that said the
>>>                         packets were already
>>>                         installed. I thought maybe that
>>>             was normal, clicked
>>>                         ok, and went on with the
>>>                         process.
>>>
>>>                         When I rebooted, I had no menu
>>>             bars, no terminal,
>>>                         and no internet
>>>                         connection! Nooooooooo! I am in
>>>             *way* over my head,
>>>                         and I really hope one of
>>>                         you fine folks can help me out! I
>>>             make pretty
>>>                         awesome cookies...
>>>
>>>                         Help me, Obi-Wan Tclug! You are my
>>>             only hope!
>>>
>>>                         Fingers crossed,
>>>                         Kat
>>>
>>>                         (PS: Acer Aspire One, model # ZG5,
>>>             1.5 GB RAM.
>>>                         Nothing fancy.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                   -Yaron
>>>
>>>                   --
>>>
>>>             _______________________________________________
>>>                   TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St.
>>>             Paul, Minnesota
>>>                   tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>
>>>             http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       -Yaron
>>>
>>>       --
>>>       _______________________________________________
>>>       TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>       tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>       http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> -Yaron
>>
>> --
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


-Yaron

--

From zarhooie at gmail.com  Wed Sep 26 20:16:02 2012
From: zarhooie at gmail.com (Kat Toomajian)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 20:16:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Well, that didn't go as planned...
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1209262006050.20810@dragon>
References: <CAEeVNhLEpnJhwLBa3ygUb_tQeGt=NGO3UGJw5KuDFjzC4scGfg@mail.gmail.com>
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If you don't like bacon, then I don't think we can be friends anyway. :P

I could do butterscotch, maybe.

-Kat
Aut viam inveniam aut faciam.
I will either find a way or make one.


On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Yaron <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> You had me at "SCA event"... but you lost me at "bacon" (;
>
>
> On Wed, 26 Sep 2012, Kat Toomajian wrote:
>
>> I'll be in one of the northern suburbs this weekend at an SCA event.
>> If anyone wants cookies, show up. ;)
>>
>> And, if you tell me ahead of time that you're coming, I might even be
>> convinced to make bacon chocolate chip cookies.
>>
>> -Kat
>> Aut viam inveniam aut faciam.
>> I will either find a way or make one.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Yaron <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> So everything's working? Great! Now about those cookies...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 26 Sep 2012, Kat Toomajian wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I ended up there this morning, and reinstalling Unity fixed the issue. I
>>>> used Aptitude instead of apt-get though.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your help!
>>>>
>>>> Kat
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 26, 2012 12:54 PM, "Joel Longanecker"
>>>> <joel.longanecker at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>       Oh dear, Ubuntu really needs to get their Dist Upgrade process
>>>>       figured out.
>>>>
>>>> Can you still do ctrl + alt + f1 to bring up a command line terminal?
>>>>
>>>> You might be able to get this to work
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> sudo apt-get update
>>>> sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop
>>>> sudo apt-get install unity
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Yaron <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>>>       Yeah, flashdrive, sorry, my mind was in... well, 10 years
>>>>       ago I guess (: if you can boot from a flashdrive with
>>>>       enough space you can probably just bulk-copy your homedir
>>>>       over to it.
>>>>
>>>>       On Wed, 26 Sep 2012, Kat Toomajian wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             I gave up on getting anything resolved
>>>>             tonight, so no worries there. My
>>>>             netbook doesn't have an optical drive, but I
>>>>             think I can do it via a
>>>>             flashdrive. Too tired to dig mine out tonight
>>>>             though.
>>>>
>>>>             Backing up my data is a good plan. I can set
>>>>             that up tonight to run
>>>>             overnight, if I can get to the utility.
>>>>
>>>>             K
>>>>
>>>>             On Sep 26, 2012 12:21 AM, "Yaron"
>>>>             <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>>>                   Hmm. Not sure about actually getting the
>>>>             installation fixed
>>>>                   right this second, but can you make an
>>>>             Ubuntu installation CD
>>>>                   and then boot to the live Ubuntu and
>>>>             make sure you can access
>>>>                   (and hopefully back up) all your data?
>>>>             You might want to get all
>>>>                   your important stuff backed up before
>>>>             you try to fix anything.
>>>>                   Worst case scenario, you then reinstall
>>>>             from scratch and restore
>>>>                   all your data.
>>>>
>>>>                   Quite likely backing up your homedir
>>>>             would be enough, and then
>>>>                   restoring it to a fresh installation.
>>>>             All your
>>>>                   settings/bookmarks/whatever should be in
>>>>             there. As worst case
>>>>                   scenarios go, it's a pretty good one.
>>>>
>>>>                   On Wed, 26 Sep 2012, Kat Toomajian
>>>>             wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                         Hi everyone!
>>>>
>>>>                         My name is Kat. :) I decided that
>>>>             tonight would be a
>>>>                         good night to upgrade
>>>>                         to Ubuntu 12.04. I have done
>>>>             upgrades solo before,
>>>>                         and haven't had any
>>>>                         issues. The upgrade went fine,
>>>>             right up until the
>>>>                         part where I started
>>>>                         getting a bunch of notifications
>>>>             that said the
>>>>                         packets were already
>>>>                         installed. I thought maybe that
>>>>             was normal, clicked
>>>>                         ok, and went on with the
>>>>                         process.
>>>>
>>>>                         When I rebooted, I had no menu
>>>>             bars, no terminal,
>>>>                         and no internet
>>>>                         connection! Nooooooooo! I am in
>>>>             *way* over my head,
>>>>                         and I really hope one of
>>>>                         you fine folks can help me out! I
>>>>             make pretty
>>>>                         awesome cookies...
>>>>
>>>>                         Help me, Obi-Wan Tclug! You are my
>>>>             only hope!
>>>>
>>>>                         Fingers crossed,
>>>>                         Kat
>>>>
>>>>                         (PS: Acer Aspire One, model # ZG5,
>>>>             1.5 GB RAM.
>>>>                         Nothing fancy.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                   -Yaron
>>>>
>>>>                   --
>>>>
>>>>             _______________________________________________
>>>>                   TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St.
>>>>             Paul, Minnesota
>>>>                   tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>
>>>>             http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       -Yaron
>>>>
>>>>       --
>>>>       _______________________________________________
>>>>       TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>       tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>       http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Yaron
>>>
>>> --
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>
>
> -Yaron
>
> --
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From tclug at freakzilla.com  Wed Sep 26 20:23:33 2012
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 20:23:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Well, that didn't go as planned...
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On Wed, 26 Sep 2012, Kat Toomajian wrote:

> If you don't like bacon, then I don't think we can be friends anyway. :P

You'd be surprised how often I hear that!

To be honest I can't really eat cookies, either ):

-Yaron

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From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Thu Sep 27 22:42:04 2012
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 22:42:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ** Saturday ** Raid and Open Q&A at September 29th
 Penguins Unbound Meeting.
Message-ID: <50651C8C.2080007@Goecke-Dolan.com>

This months PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be
Saturday September 29th at TIES,
1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108
from 10:00am to 12:00pm
(See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more
info.)

I will try and do a demo of how to create a raid.

And then we will have open Q & A.

Hope to see you there!

==>brian.

*** STREAMING ***
If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting.
mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800

You should be able to connect with either:
mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800
or
vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800
-- 
electrons are not important in nuclear chemistry

From crosenblum at gmail.com  Sat Sep 29 08:31:39 2012
From: crosenblum at gmail.com (Craig Rosenblum)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 08:31:39 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] To go to a meeting today...
Message-ID: <CAP3k0vncNS6n-ZxdLdEotFcHAHtbjqDhLsgkXTux_wrVsw=P7w@mail.gmail.com>

Does that cost money? I've never been to a live meeting yet.

Anything I should bring with me?

Thank you.

From dan_gawarecki at datacard.com  Sat Sep 29 13:19:03 2012
From: dan_gawarecki at datacard.com (Dan Gawarecki)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 13:19:03 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, V 93, #21 - Question on Meetings
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1348938002.14825.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
References: <mailman.1.1348938002.14825.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <4835373F9893BF45BF3AD6612B78939813CDA10A0A@EXCMS.corporate.datacard.com>

Hello Craig:
As someone who attended their first meeting today, Sept 29, I'll give you my $0.02.  If you've viewed the streaming of the meetings, please bear with me if I include things you already know.

No there is no cost.  Lots of free parking, but it helped to look at the satellite picture posted on the web on where to park and where to enter the building (e.g., the entrance off Laurpeter was blocked due to construction, so I had to backtrack off a frontage road along Snelling).
I arrived ~10 minutes late and so I don't know if I missed introductions or not.  I was able to chat a few minutes with Brian after the meeting.
Meeting format was very informal - lots of questions flowed back and forth.
It's obvious there are some people who are Linux experts, and I'm guessing one or two like me who are novices.

All in all, I'm glad I went and hope to make the next one, an "install fest" (mainly of Ubuntu I believe) on Sat, Oct. 27th.
Hope to see you then.

+Dan Gawarecki+

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Does that cost money? I've never been to a live meeting yet.

Anything I should bring with me?

Thank you.


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