From trieff at greencaremankato.com  Thu Aug  1 17:50:03 2013
From: trieff at greencaremankato.com (Thomas Rieff)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 17:50:03 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Raid1 Setup
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1375376402.18478.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
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Setting up Ubuntu Server 12.04 with Raid1 and 2 - 2 TB drives. 
Raid Partitions are... 
10 GB Ext4 /boot 
60 GB swap 
1.9 TB Ext4 / 

Get to the point of installing Grub and can not get Grub to install on the /boot Raid partition. 
So in the end will not boot up :-( 
Any thoughts??? 
Tom 

Thomas Rieff 
GreenCare 
1717 3rd Avenue 
Mankato, MN 56001 
(507) 344-8314 Office 
(507) 344-8316 Fax 
(507) 381-0660 Cell 
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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Thu Aug  1 18:42:24 2013
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 18:42:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Raid1 Setup
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seems surprising.  i'd poke at it thus:  try /boot as nonraid 300mb ext3,
making sure it's the first partition on the disc, using a dos partition
table.  if that works, try changing various of those parameters back
again.  once narrowed down, oogle for similar reports.
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From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com  Thu Aug  1 19:06:46 2013
From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 19:06:46 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Raid1 Setup
In-Reply-To: <1994051994.1051259.1375397403888.JavaMail.zimbra@greencaremankato.com>
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Is this a software RAID? If so, where are you writing the MBR to?

Grub should install fine on a software RAID boot partition so long as
the MBR is written to a place your BIOS can get to (usually a physical
disk, ie. /dev/sda) and grub is properly configured for a software
RAID (loading necessary modules, etc).

Also, 10 GB for a boot partition is overkill IMO, and I also use ext2
FS for /boot. Ultimately, it's your server though ;-)

Good luck,

--
Jeremy MountainJohnson
Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Thomas Rieff
<trieff at greencaremankato.com> wrote:
> Setting up Ubuntu Server 12.04 with Raid1 and 2 - 2 TB drives.
> Raid Partitions are...
> 10 GB Ext4 /boot
> 60 GB swap
> 1.9 TB Ext4 /
>
> Get to the point of installing Grub and can not get Grub to install on the
> /boot Raid partition.
> So in the end will not boot up :-(
> Any thoughts???
> Tom
>
> Thomas Rieff
> GreenCare
> 1717 3rd Avenue
> Mankato, MN 56001
> (507) 344-8314 Office
> (507) 344-8316 Fax
> (507) 381-0660 Cell
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Sun Aug  4 09:43:09 2013
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2013 09:43:09 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] something smarter than just vibrate
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9DPQKnFkji3X9y5Xx9fwP75nzPFqMbsARAx5r9A5kbkhA@mail.gmail.com>

i find myself wanting for smart handling of my reachability in meetings.
perhaps a good android app or service exists, if so please advise.  as i
imagine it, whenever i create an appointment on my calendar, i'd copy from
an existing appointment, or an appointment template, each appointment
specifying my reachability profile during the appointment, eg, calls
perhaps auto-answered, or perhaps handled differently according to their
caller-id, perhaps callers can enter an announced or secret code to
actually reach me, or send me a message which actually beeps my phone which
is otherwise silent for the duration of the appointment.

easy enough to imagine similar services exist at price points i wouldn't
touch.  feel free to mention such, though atm i'd be looking for something
easily affordable or free..
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From random at argle.org  Mon Aug  5 11:06:38 2013
From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor)
Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 11:06:38 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] something smarter than just vibrate
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9DPQKnFkji3X9y5Xx9fwP75nzPFqMbsARAx5r9A5kbkhA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9DPQKnFkji3X9y5Xx9fwP75nzPFqMbsARAx5r9A5kbkhA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51FFCD8E.1010000@argle.org>

On 08/04/2013 09:43 AM, gregrwm wrote:
> i find myself wanting for smart handling of my reachability in 
> meetings.  perhaps a good android app or service exists, if so please 
> advise.  as i imagine it, whenever i create an appointment on my 
> calendar, i'd copy from an existing appointment, or an appointment 
> template, each appointment specifying my reachability profile during 
> the appointment, eg, calls perhaps auto-answered, or perhaps handled 
> differently according to their caller-id, perhaps callers can enter an 
> announced or secret code to actually reach me, or send me a message 
> which actually beeps my phone which is otherwise silent for the 
> duration of the appointment.
Asterisk can do all that, but you'd have to route through an Asterisk 
server to get there and I don't know of any "magic config files" so it 
would be a custom solution.

-- 
Dan

From stuporglue at gmail.com  Fri Aug  9 15:10:36 2013
From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 15:10:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Anyone using Comcast business internet at home?
Message-ID: <CAFE18KU7z2yJ-djsFswSKCmcbpNq3xroZNF3DadYzXReET8kLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Is anyone using Comcast business internet at home? Any downsides?

I have a couple of low-traffic hobby websites that I've been hosting
at Bluehost forever and ever, and I'm considering hosting them at
home.

We've had Comcast residential service for the last 4 years and it has
been fine.

Thanks,
Michael Moore

From ryanjcole at me.com  Fri Aug  9 15:17:16 2013
From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 15:17:16 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Anyone using Comcast business internet at home?
In-Reply-To: <CAFE18KU7z2yJ-djsFswSKCmcbpNq3xroZNF3DadYzXReET8kLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFE18KU7z2yJ-djsFswSKCmcbpNq3xroZNF3DadYzXReET8kLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B29C3E93-F64C-4156-AAD0-4CD3F514E59D@me.com>

Just a little slower than their residential service... Other than that I like it. 

Make sure they tag your ports right or you'll take a chance at a disconnect (got four free months that way :))

--
Ryan Coleman
ryanjcole at me.com
m. 651.373.5015
o. 612.568.2749

On Aug 9, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Michael Moore <stuporglue at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is anyone using Comcast business internet at home? Any downsides?
> 
> I have a couple of low-traffic hobby websites that I've been hosting
> at Bluehost forever and ever, and I'm considering hosting them at
> home.
> 
> We've had Comcast residential service for the last 4 years and it has
> been fine.
> 
> Thanks,
> Michael Moore
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From tclug at freakzilla.com  Fri Aug  9 15:21:19 2013
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 15:21:19 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Anyone using Comcast business internet at home?
In-Reply-To: <CAFE18KU7z2yJ-djsFswSKCmcbpNq3xroZNF3DadYzXReET8kLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFE18KU7z2yJ-djsFswSKCmcbpNq3xroZNF3DadYzXReET8kLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1308091520580.13260@cockerel.yaron.org>

I use them. The funny thing is it ended up being /cheaper/ than 
residential was. No downsides at all for me.

On Fri, 9 Aug 2013, Michael Moore wrote:

> Is anyone using Comcast business internet at home? Any downsides?
>
> I have a couple of low-traffic hobby websites that I've been hosting
> at Bluehost forever and ever, and I'm considering hosting them at
> home.
>
> We've had Comcast residential service for the last 4 years and it has
> been fine.
>
> Thanks,
> Michael Moore
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From tclug at freakzilla.com  Fri Aug  9 15:21:54 2013
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 15:21:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Anyone using Comcast business internet at home?
In-Reply-To: <B29C3E93-F64C-4156-AAD0-4CD3F514E59D@me.com>
References: <CAFE18KU7z2yJ-djsFswSKCmcbpNq3xroZNF3DadYzXReET8kLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<B29C3E93-F64C-4156-AAD0-4CD3F514E59D@me.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1308091521330.13260@cockerel.yaron.org>

Slower?...

They have different speed tiers. You can pay for it to be as fast as you 
like (:

On Fri, 9 Aug 2013, Ryan Coleman wrote:

> Just a little slower than their residential service... Other than that I like it.
>
> Make sure they tag your ports right or you'll take a chance at a disconnect (got four free months that way :))
>
> --
> Ryan Coleman
> ryanjcole at me.com
> m. 651.373.5015
> o. 612.568.2749
>
> On Aug 9, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Michael Moore <stuporglue at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Is anyone using Comcast business internet at home? Any downsides?
>>
>> I have a couple of low-traffic hobby websites that I've been hosting
>> at Bluehost forever and ever, and I'm considering hosting them at
>> home.
>>
>> We've had Comcast residential service for the last 4 years and it has
>> been fine.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Michael Moore
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From ryanjcole at me.com  Fri Aug  9 15:22:39 2013
From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 15:22:39 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Anyone using Comcast business internet at home?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1308091520580.13260@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <CAFE18KU7z2yJ-djsFswSKCmcbpNq3xroZNF3DadYzXReET8kLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.02.1308091520580.13260@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <00C19094-1964-4D8C-AE99-3AAA1A4345A1@me.com>

True. If you are in Minneapolis you get basic TV, too? 

If you're not? we have 50x10 at the office and we save $15/month on the service by having TV on the account.
On Aug 9, 2013, at 3:21 PM, Yaron <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:

> I use them. The funny thing is it ended up being /cheaper/ than residential was. No downsides at all for me.
> 
> On Fri, 9 Aug 2013, Michael Moore wrote:
> 
>> Is anyone using Comcast business internet at home? Any downsides?
>> 
>> I have a couple of low-traffic hobby websites that I've been hosting
>> at Bluehost forever and ever, and I'm considering hosting them at
>> home.
>> 
>> We've had Comcast residential service for the last 4 years and it has
>> been fine.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Michael Moore
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From ryanjcole at me.com  Fri Aug  9 15:23:41 2013
From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 15:23:41 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Anyone using Comcast business internet at home?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1308091521330.13260@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <CAFE18KU7z2yJ-djsFswSKCmcbpNq3xroZNF3DadYzXReET8kLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<B29C3E93-F64C-4156-AAD0-4CD3F514E59D@me.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.02.1308091521330.13260@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <A109CAC0-C080-4DC2-AB54-06661C998B39@me.com>

Yes. Slower than the day they installed. Still above what I'm paying for? Dollar for Dollar comparison on speed to residential; but the day they installed the DOCSIS3 I was clocking 50-100Mbit/sec now I'm closer to the rate I'm paying for (12x2).


On Aug 9, 2013, at 3:21 PM, Yaron <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:

> Slower?...
> 
> They have different speed tiers. You can pay for it to be as fast as you like (:
> 
> On Fri, 9 Aug 2013, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> 
>> Just a little slower than their residential service... Other than that I like it.
>> 
>> Make sure they tag your ports right or you'll take a chance at a disconnect (got four free months that way :))
>> 
>> --
>> Ryan Coleman
>> ryanjcole at me.com
>> m. 651.373.5015
>> o. 612.568.2749
>> 
>> On Aug 9, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Michael Moore <stuporglue at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Is anyone using Comcast business internet at home? Any downsides?
>>> 
>>> I have a couple of low-traffic hobby websites that I've been hosting
>>> at Bluehost forever and ever, and I'm considering hosting them at
>>> home.
>>> 
>>> We've had Comcast residential service for the last 4 years and it has
>>> been fine.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Michael Moore
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com  Fri Aug  9 15:45:12 2013
From: Craig.A.Smith at honeywell.com (Smith, Craig  A (MN14))
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 20:45:12 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Anyone using Comcast business internet at home?
In-Reply-To: <A109CAC0-C080-4DC2-AB54-06661C998B39@me.com>
References: <CAFE18KU7z2yJ-djsFswSKCmcbpNq3xroZNF3DadYzXReET8kLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<B29C3E93-F64C-4156-AAD0-4CD3F514E59D@me.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.02.1308091521330.13260@cockerel.yaron.org>
	<A109CAC0-C080-4DC2-AB54-06661C998B39@me.com>
Message-ID: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C710EDEDDF@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com>

Ryan Coleman wrote:

> Slower than the day they installed. 

Same here.  Late at night, I can get as fast as 20/10 (down/up) Mbps as measured by http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ but usually slower - and been getting slower.  Now I'm lucky to get 10/5 during the day.  

Recently, they sent a letter saying my modem was outdated, but they would drop ship another (with no backup battery) for higher  speed.  Curious, I called and was told this would DOUBLE my speed to 50/25.  So I decided to try it out.

Predictably, the install did not go as described.  Took an hour with tech support only to find the new modem was SLOWER OR NO DIFFERENT.  I plan to complain, and if they can't improve the speed, switch back to my old modem with battery (for bundled phone service). 




From kjh at flyballdogs.com  Fri Aug  9 16:11:04 2013
From: kjh at flyballdogs.com (Kathryn Hogg)
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 16:11:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list]
	=?utf-8?q?Anyone_using_Comcast_business_internet_at_?=
	=?utf-8?q?home=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <00C19094-1964-4D8C-AE99-3AAA1A4345A1@me.com>
References: <CAFE18KU7z2yJ-djsFswSKCmcbpNq3xroZNF3DadYzXReET8kLQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On 2013-08-09 15:22, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> True. If you are in Minneapolis you get basic TV, too?

I can also verify that Comcast Business Class internet also gets you 
access to the ESPN3 online streaming if you like the sports they show on 
there.

-- 
Kathryn Hogg
http://womensfooty.com

From kjh at flyballdogs.com  Fri Aug  9 16:09:40 2013
From: kjh at flyballdogs.com (Kathryn Hogg)
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 16:09:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list]
	=?utf-8?q?Anyone_using_Comcast_business_internet_at_?=
	=?utf-8?q?home=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <CAFE18KU7z2yJ-djsFswSKCmcbpNq3xroZNF3DadYzXReET8kLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFE18KU7z2yJ-djsFswSKCmcbpNq3xroZNF3DadYzXReET8kLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9b6aadee62ac6b321bbb2a22037b2b37@flyballdogs.com>

On 2013-08-09 15:10, Michael Moore wrote:
> Is anyone using Comcast business internet at home? Any downsides?
> 
> I have a couple of low-traffic hobby websites that I've been hosting
> at Bluehost forever and ever, and I'm considering hosting them at
> home.
> 
> We've had Comcast residential service for the last 4 years and it has
> been fine.

I work from home and my employer pays for my internet.  I got sick of 
Quest's slow speeds around 2008 and went to Comcast Business Class so 
that I could have a bill separate from my cable tv and to get a static 
IP.

I haven't really had any complaints and when there has been problems, 
they are much quicker to resolve them than my limited experience with 
residental service.

-- 
Kathryn Hogg
http://womensfooty.com

From ryanjcole at me.com  Sat Aug 10 09:33:37 2013
From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 09:33:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Anyone using Comcast business internet at home?
In-Reply-To: <9b6aadee62ac6b321bbb2a22037b2b37@flyballdogs.com>
References: <CAFE18KU7z2yJ-djsFswSKCmcbpNq3xroZNF3DadYzXReET8kLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b6aadee62ac6b321bbb2a22037b2b37@flyballdogs.com>
Message-ID: <9B58C0BE-99D1-4739-967D-667150ADBA71@me.com>


On Aug 9, 2013, at 4:09 PM, Kathryn Hogg <kjh at flyballdogs.com> wrote:
> 
> I haven't really had any complaints and when there has been problems, they are much quicker to resolve them than my limited experience with residental service.

Yes, but Time Warner (in Minneapolis) had 45-minute response times? Comcast? 2-4 hours during the day, 4-8 at night. :-\

From stuporglue at gmail.com  Sat Aug 10 10:13:40 2013
From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2013 10:13:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Anyone using Comcast business internet at home?
In-Reply-To: <9B58C0BE-99D1-4739-967D-667150ADBA71@me.com>
References: <CAFE18KU7z2yJ-djsFswSKCmcbpNq3xroZNF3DadYzXReET8kLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b6aadee62ac6b321bbb2a22037b2b37@flyballdogs.com>
	<9B58C0BE-99D1-4739-967D-667150ADBA71@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAFE18KVOHqTsBJv8gUO-e8iPytXa2UUvOFkaQvTkF96azxRAkw@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like the general consensus is that Comcast business is a
reasonable choice. Thanks everyone.

--
Michael Moore

From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com  Mon Aug 12 09:55:35 2013
From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 09:55:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Debian-based distros top the rankings
Message-ID: <20130812095535.2f7065373baa396d2fdaea6a@jasonhsu.com>

I noticed that Debian-based distros now occupy all three of the top spots on the DistroWatch 6-month rankings.  Linux Mint is still far ahead at #1, Ubuntu is now ranked #2, Debian itself is close behind at #3, and Mageia is close behind at #4.  I'm not sure why Ubuntu has moved up, and Mageia has moved down, but I'm guessing that Debian Wheezy (which recently moved from testing to stable) has been a big hit.

During my tenure as a Linux user, I've been gravitating towards Debian-based distros, for basically the same reasons many others do.  Except for Damn Small Linux (based on Knoppix, which is only loosely based on Debian), Debian-based distros have always had great hardware support and one of the largest software repositories (due to full Debian or Ubuntu compatibility).  A large software repository means that software support goes beyond the common apps (like Sylpheed, OpenOffice/LibreOffice, etc.) and includes much more specialized apps (like Octave).

I know that people criticize Debian for having old software.  However, I value stability over having the latest and greatest software.  When you add the fact that I'm much more reluctant to change distros now than I used to be (I've been busy boning up on Android and Ruby on Rails development), this gives me even less reason to try out more distros.

-- 
Jason Hsu <jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com>

From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 13:32:34 2013
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 13:32:34 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Debian-based distros top the rankings
Message-ID: <CABWFOjsMAoY_URjtrq51ZMzq_DR0=xEMo4=PgyZ3J_hi-JH+Cw@mail.gmail.com>

Jason Hsu
>
> I know that people criticize Debian for having old software.  However, I
value
> stability over having the latest and greatest software.  When you add the
fact that > I'm much more reluctant to change distros now than I used to be
(I've been busy > boning up on Android and Ruby on Rails development), this
gives me even less
> reason to try out more distros.

I think your reasons for liking it make sense, but the old software
was a problem for me with Debian.  I didn't figure out a good way
to work around that so I switched to another distro.

I've been thinking some about Android.  How is that going?

-- 
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
http://webEbenezer.net
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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 13:45:24 2013
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 13:45:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Request for build feedback
Message-ID: <CABWFOjv_jNs_dRhw9SO3FZuWKGJ5R2xR9rvCyDxZThDTyF0ukQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have access to Linux machines and a couple of Windows 7
machines.  I'd like to know how this software

http://webEbenezer.net/misc/direct.tar.bz2  (*)

builds, especially on systems that I don't have like
Solaris, Android, Windows 8, etc.

A C++ compiler with support for the 2011 standard is
needed.  VS 11 might work, VS 12 works here.

There's a Readme file in the archive which tells about
the makefiles in the archive.  There's a separate
makefile for Windows. On Windows a library and one
executable are built.  On Linux the same library and
executable are built plus a second executable is built.

The file to download is 21,141 bytes at this time so
downloading it shouldn't take long.  On my Linux system
the library and two programs build in 7 seconds.  If
everything goes well, the downloading, tar xf direct.tar.bz2,
and building should take less than a minute.

I'd like to know how it builds on your system.  The only
warning I get with clang 3.3 is: warning: control may reach
end of non-void function.  If it doesn't build on your system,
I'll do what I can to fix that, including possibly installing
that system on one of my machines.

Feel free to keep/reuse the software if you like.  However,
two of the files in the archive are from another developer
and should only be used in conjunction with the rest of
the software.  Those files are quicklz.h and quicklz.cc.
See http://quicklz.com for more info.

Thank you in advance.

(*)  More info here
http://webEbenezer.net/build_integration.html

Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - Seek and you will find, knock and
the door will be opened to you.
http://webEbenezer.net
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From eng at pinenet.com  Mon Aug 12 15:14:15 2013
From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 15:14:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Debian-based distros top the rankings
In-Reply-To: <20130812095535.2f7065373baa396d2fdaea6a@jasonhsu.com>
References: <20130812095535.2f7065373baa396d2fdaea6a@jasonhsu.com>
Message-ID: <52094217.7010806@pinenet.com>

Personally, I never heard of most of that stuff, except OpenOffice 
(which I usually delete) and Ruby (that I've never looked at).

I've been enjoying the Arduino Uno virtual serial port over USB. Made a 
little tcl/iWidgets monitor program to set the virtual port properties 
and communicate with the Arduino device. Enjoyed the Wiring programming 
language, and have been adapting a "Tiny Basic" interpreter for the 
Arduino. (Mostly making the C more readable using a great old editor, 
nedit.)

On another effort, I keep working on an RS232 program that allows the 
user to play with the modem control lines using the Linux ttyS posix driver.

In yet another effort, I've updated the XForms library wrapper in 
FreePascal.

It all works for me on opensuse. And it is what I like to do with Linux; 
explore computing capabilities. Perhaps you never heard of stuff that 
interests me either. But I don't rate my stuff vs. your stuff.

I think many of us would prefer learning to judging.

Jason Hsu wrote:
> I noticed that Debian-based distros now occupy all three of the top spots on the DistroWatch 6-month rankings.  Linux Mint is still far ahead at #1, Ubuntu is now ranked #2, Debian itself is close behind at #3, and Mageia is close behind at #4.  I'm not sure why Ubuntu has moved up, and Mageia has moved down, but I'm guessing that Debian Wheezy (which recently moved from testing to stable) has been a big hit.
>
> During my tenure as a Linux user, I've been gravitating towards Debian-based distros, for basically the same reasons many others do.  Except for Damn Small Linux (based on Knoppix, which is only loosely based on Debian), Debian-based distros have always had great hardware support and one of the largest software repositories (due to full Debian or Ubuntu compatibility).  A large software repository means that software support goes beyond the common apps (like Sylpheed, OpenOffice/LibreOffice, etc.) and includes much more specialized apps (like Octave).
>
> I know that people criticize Debian for having old software.  However, I value stability over having the latest and greatest software.  When you add the fact that I'm much more reluctant to change distros now than I used to be (I've been busy boning up on Android and Ruby on Rails development), this gives me even less reason to try out more distros.
>

From whjwhj at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 17:24:09 2013
From: whjwhj at gmail.com (whjwhj)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 17:24:09 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Debian-based distros top the rankings
In-Reply-To: <52094217.7010806@pinenet.com>
References: <20130812095535.2f7065373baa396d2fdaea6a@jasonhsu.com>
	<52094217.7010806@pinenet.com>
Message-ID: <52096089.1070301@gmail.com>

> But I don't rate my stuff vs. your stuff.

> I think many of us would prefer learning to judging.

New to the list here. Been lurking so far.

I've been following this thread. If there was any rating or judging 
going on I must've missed it.

I wish I could brag about writing software for a 110 baud accoustic 
coupler modem to Morse code interface or something but I've just been 
using my machine for LAMP stack development plus the usual stuff: Email 
and web browsing. Running Linux Mint on my ThinkPad. Nice change from 
Apple's locked-in ecosystem.

whj

On 08/12/2013 03:14 PM, Rick Engebretson wrote:
> I think many of us would prefer learning to judging.

From erik.mitchell at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 20:18:55 2013
From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:18:55 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Debian-based distros top the rankings
In-Reply-To: <52096089.1070301@gmail.com>
References: <20130812095535.2f7065373baa396d2fdaea6a@jasonhsu.com>
	<52094217.7010806@pinenet.com> <52096089.1070301@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANNReEFyT-4OfDx5jgAYbAq2BXM=o9ticGGawhQjBKaDdQcLVw@mail.gmail.com>

Getting a dual boot setup on my new laptop is on my list of things to
do. I have been thinking about trying Mint -- I am a Debian user by
default.

I appreciate you sharing the information, Jason. I think I'll go ahead
and test out Linux Mint when the time comes.



On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 5:24 PM, whjwhj <whjwhj at gmail.com> wrote:
>> But I don't rate my stuff vs. your stuff.
>
>
>> I think many of us would prefer learning to judging.
>
>
> New to the list here. Been lurking so far.
>
> I've been following this thread. If there was any rating or judging going on
> I must've missed it.
>
> I wish I could brag about writing software for a 110 baud accoustic coupler
> modem to Morse code interface or something but I've just been using my
> machine for LAMP stack development plus the usual stuff: Email and web
> browsing. Running Linux Mint on my ThinkPad. Nice change from Apple's
> locked-in ecosystem.
>
> whj
>
>
> On 08/12/2013 03:14 PM, Rick Engebretson wrote:
>>
>> I think many of us would prefer learning to judging.
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



-- 
Erik K. Mitchell
erik.mitchell at gmail.com

From eng at pinenet.com  Mon Aug 12 20:25:25 2013
From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:25:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Debian-based distros top the rankings
In-Reply-To: <52096089.1070301@gmail.com>
References: <20130812095535.2f7065373baa396d2fdaea6a@jasonhsu.com>
	<52094217.7010806@pinenet.com> <52096089.1070301@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52098B05.1040101@pinenet.com>

We can all forget to read the title of the thread from time to time.

And most can forget the importance of the serial I/O interface in computing.

Sorry whjwhj. I didn't intend to ruffle feathers. To the contrary.

whjwhj wrote:
>> But I don't rate my stuff vs. your stuff.
>
>> I think many of us would prefer learning to judging.
>
> New to the list here. Been lurking so far.
>
> I've been following this thread. If there was any rating or judging
> going on I must've missed it.
>
> I wish I could brag about writing software for a 110 baud accoustic
> coupler modem to Morse code interface or something but I've just been
> using my machine for LAMP stack development plus the usual stuff: Email
> and web browsing. Running Linux Mint on my ThinkPad. Nice change from
> Apple's locked-in ecosystem.
>
> whj
>
> On 08/12/2013 03:14 PM, Rick Engebretson wrote:
>> I think many of us would prefer learning to judging.
>

From nakorsakov at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 20:34:42 2013
From: nakorsakov at gmail.com (N K)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:34:42 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] DVD recommended software.
Message-ID: <52098D32.4080107@gmail.com>

What would you guys recommend for ripping DVDs?

I am using Mint Linux on my main rig and I'm hunting around for 
effective, simple, and (hopefully) free options.

In the past, (before I switched from Windows) I used to use 
dvddecrypter, or sometimes a combination of Handbrake and VLC. I rarely 
used to rip DVDs, but the need does occasionally crop up.

-- Nicholas

From tclug at beitsahour.net  Mon Aug 12 20:46:12 2013
From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 20:46:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] DVD recommended software.
In-Reply-To: <52098D32.4080107@gmail.com>
References: <52098D32.4080107@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMg8xas270ndMUSHzqt1JGQ0ZeocGR_bAPzcyE0MjiC_sgqJMQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 8:34 PM, N K <nakorsakov at gmail.com> wrote:
> What would you guys recommend for ripping DVDs?

the best tool for backing up your DVDs is vobcopy, it will rip the
entire DVD to a hard disk and optionally remove those pesky user
restrictions. still needs libdvdcss if the DVD is encrypted though.
With todays hard drives there really is no need to reencode the data
stream and CPU overhead that it requires.

From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Tue Aug 13 17:37:04 2013
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 17:37:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] MythTV @Penguins Unbound Meeting August 17th
Message-ID: <520AB510.4060804@Goecke-Dolan.com>

The August PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be
Saturday August 17th at TIES,
1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108
from 10:00am to 12:00pm
(See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more
info.)

This month at the Penguins Unbound Meeting we will continue our 
discussion about home media by setting up MythTV and MiniDLNA server!

Some topics I will cover
     Build a MythTV Server
     Add additional Script
     Configure MiniDLNA server
     And then view the content over the network

Hope to see you there.

If you missed Last month's Meeting you can watch it here in two parts.

http://users.ties2.net/~bdolango/PenguinsUnbound/PUB_Meeting_20130727_Part1.asf
http://users.ties2.net/~bdolango/PenguinsUnbound/PUB_Meeting_20130727_Part2.asf


==>brian.

*** STREAMING ***
If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting.
mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800

You should be able to connect with either:
mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800
or
vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800

From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Fri Aug 16 02:32:41 2013
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 02:32:41 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] MythTV @Penguins Unbound Meeting August 17th
Message-ID: <520DD599.10102@Goecke-Dolan.com>

The August PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be
Saturday August 17th at TIES,
1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108
from 10:00am to 12:00pm
(See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more
info.)

This month at the Penguins Unbound Meeting we will continue our 
discussion about home media by setting up MythTV and MiniDLNA server!

Some topics I will cover
     Build a MythTV Server
     Add additional Script
     Configure MiniDLNA server
     And then view the content over the network

Hope to see you there.

If you missed Last month's Meeting you can watch it here in two parts.

http://users.ties2.net/~bdolango/PenguinsUnbound/PUB_Meeting_20130727_Part1.asf
http://users.ties2.net/~bdolango/PenguinsUnbound/PUB_Meeting_20130727_Part2.asf


==>brian.

*** STREAMING ***
If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting.
mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800

You should be able to connect with either:
mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800
or
vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800

From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Mon Aug 19 02:29:18 2013
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 02:29:18 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] A $99 Linux supercomputer has been built,
 will ship this summer
In-Reply-To: <20130725162954.GP30139@signbit.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1306072256290.19012@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
	<51EEB03C.7010507@gmail.com>
	<CAOusT-_0sN9ff4rW_WhNwf7zvfJMhzk05-uQbeuoyqRQmEi0cA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BBF491D3-5CA8-4548-BABA-6FE3197745BC@me.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1307251030500.22574@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
	<20130725162954.GP30139@signbit.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308190056000.4931@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

On Thu, 25 Jul 2013, Florin Iucha wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:35:41AM -0500, Mike Miller wrote:

>> On Tue, 23 Jul 2013, Ryan Coleman wrote:

>>> I think the only thing "super" about this is the marketing ploy 
>>> getting people to buy them. :)
>>
>> I thought the superness derived from the idea that one could put many 
>> together, fairly inexpensively, and get a lot of cores for low cost:
>
> Yes, with the money you would spend on an ox, you can get 1000 ant 
> colonies, with a combined towing capacity of 5 oxen!

For $99, "it comes with a 64-core Epiphany Multicore Accelerator, which 
helps the board achieve around 90 gigaflops."  So you get to a teraflop 
for about $1200.  I took that quote from the article linked from the 
initial posting in this thread:

http://www.geek.com/chips/a-99-linux-supercomputer-has-been-built-will-ship-this-summer-1552343/



>> If you run a real supercomputer, you will pay a *lot* for power, but 
>> this little bugger can't be using all that much.
>
> Power in = useful work + waste
>
> </comment level="slightly" mode="sarcastic">

Are you mocking the idea of saving money on electricity?  I don't really 
understand your comment.  Anyway, it seems that there is a lot of interest 
in having servers use less energy and take up less space:

http://www.google.com/search?q=hp+moonshot

Mike

From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com  Tue Aug 20 23:57:31 2013
From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 23:57:31 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] inotifywait - too noisy
Message-ID: <521448BB.8060208@gmail.com>

I need to monitor various directories contained in one base directory, 
and notify certain users by email when a file has been added or changed 
in their monitored directory.  I wrote a script using inotifywait, and 
when an event is triggered it fires of an email to the user with the 
location & the new file name.

The script is working, but can generate many emails for one event 
(saving a large file for example).

I have tried many of the different --event types available in 
inotifywait to see if I could get it down to one notification.  No luck 
yet.  Here is the basic outline of the script.  Any thoughts on how I 
might be able to get this to only send one email per file would be 
greatly appreciated.

#!/bin/bash
#
# usage: script DIR email-to-addr

DIR=$1
EMAILTO=$2

inotifywait --recursive --monitor --quiet --exclude '.*\.tmp' \
--event close_write --format '%f' \
/var/www/htdocs/contracts/contracts/$DIR | while read FILE ;
do
{
         echo "To: $EMAILTO"
         echo "From: MONITOR ROBOT <DO-NOT-REPLY at somewhere.com>"
         echo "Subject: Alert - $DIR"
         echo " "
         echo "A new file has been detected in $DIR"
         echo ""
         echo "The New File is named:"
         echo " "
         echo $FILE
} 2>&1 | /usr/bin/sendmail -t
done

Thanks!

Mr. B-o-B

From jake.vath at gmail.com  Wed Aug 21 06:14:50 2013
From: jake.vath at gmail.com (Jake Vath)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 06:14:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] inotifywait - too noisy
In-Reply-To: <521448BB.8060208@gmail.com>
References: <521448BB.8060208@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMeWMmimqJ7Yd_0n-XN=t7SNJCgSNKzK5NqWyJp46WvzCSFNLw@mail.gmail.com>

Do you want to stick with Bash for the solution?
I've done something similar using Perl, so I bet I could modify it to do
something like this.
The Perl script uses *Inotify2*, so it's fairly portable.

If you want to stick with Bash, maybe you could assemble your email into a
few different strings, such as  to, from, subject, and body.
You could only send an email with all the previous information and the body
of the emails concatenated together.
That way you could build the emails based on some events and then send one
email on a specific event.
Think of it as a sentinel-controlled event loop.

-> Jake


On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:57 PM, B-o-B De Mars <mr.chew.baka at gmail.com>wrote:

> I need to monitor various directories contained in one base directory, and
> notify certain users by email when a file has been added or changed in
> their monitored directory.  I wrote a script using inotifywait, and when an
> event is triggered it fires of an email to the user with the location & the
> new file name.
>
> The script is working, but can generate many emails for one event (saving
> a large file for example).
>
> I have tried many of the different --event types available in inotifywait
> to see if I could get it down to one notification.  No luck yet.  Here is
> the basic outline of the script.  Any thoughts on how I might be able to
> get this to only send one email per file would be greatly appreciated.
>
> #!/bin/bash
> #
> # usage: script DIR email-to-addr
>
> DIR=$1
> EMAILTO=$2
>
> inotifywait --recursive --monitor --quiet --exclude '.*\.tmp' \
> --event close_write --format '%f' \
> /var/www/htdocs/contracts/**contracts/$DIR | while read FILE ;
> do
> {
>         echo "To: $EMAILTO"
>         echo "From: MONITOR ROBOT <DO-NOT-REPLY at somewhere.com>"
>         echo "Subject: Alert - $DIR"
>         echo " "
>         echo "A new file has been detected in $DIR"
>         echo ""
>         echo "The New File is named:"
>         echo " "
>         echo $FILE
> } 2>&1 | /usr/bin/sendmail -t
> done
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mr. B-o-B
> ______________________________**_________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list<http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>
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From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 11:06:51 2013
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:06:51 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] inotifywait - too noisy
In-Reply-To: <CAMeWMmimqJ7Yd_0n-XN=t7SNJCgSNKzK5NqWyJp46WvzCSFNLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <521448BB.8060208@gmail.com>
	<CAMeWMmimqJ7Yd_0n-XN=t7SNJCgSNKzK5NqWyJp46WvzCSFNLw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308221100430.4931@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

Isn't the question here why it would send multiple messages when the event 
is close_write?

I'm not clear on how "while read FILE" works, but that is the part that 
makes me suspicious.

Mike


On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Jake Vath wrote:

> Do you want to stick with Bash for the solution?
> I've done something similar using Perl, so I bet I could modify it to do
> something like this.
> The Perl script uses *Inotify2*, so it's fairly portable.
>
> If you want to stick with Bash, maybe you could assemble your email into a
> few different strings, such as  to, from, subject, and body.
> You could only send an email with all the previous information and the body
> of the emails concatenated together.
> That way you could build the emails based on some events and then send one
> email on a specific event.
> Think of it as a sentinel-controlled event loop.
>
> -> Jake
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:57 PM, B-o-B De Mars <mr.chew.baka at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I need to monitor various directories contained in one base directory, and
>> notify certain users by email when a file has been added or changed in
>> their monitored directory.  I wrote a script using inotifywait, and when an
>> event is triggered it fires of an email to the user with the location & the
>> new file name.
>>
>> The script is working, but can generate many emails for one event (saving
>> a large file for example).
>>
>> I have tried many of the different --event types available in inotifywait
>> to see if I could get it down to one notification.  No luck yet.  Here is
>> the basic outline of the script.  Any thoughts on how I might be able to
>> get this to only send one email per file would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> #!/bin/bash
>> #
>> # usage: script DIR email-to-addr
>>
>> DIR=$1
>> EMAILTO=$2
>>
>> inotifywait --recursive --monitor --quiet --exclude '.*\.tmp' \
>> --event close_write --format '%f' \
>> /var/www/htdocs/contracts/**contracts/$DIR | while read FILE ;
>> do
>> {
>>         echo "To: $EMAILTO"
>>         echo "From: MONITOR ROBOT <DO-NOT-REPLY at somewhere.com>"
>>         echo "Subject: Alert - $DIR"
>>         echo " "
>>         echo "A new file has been detected in $DIR"
>>         echo ""
>>         echo "The New File is named:"
>>         echo " "
>>         echo $FILE
>> } 2>&1 | /usr/bin/sendmail -t
>> done
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Mr. B-o-B
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list<http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>>
>

From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 11:14:31 2013
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:14:31 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] buying a laptop -- when is the best time? ;
	what's a good choice?
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308221107450.4931@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

Now is the Back To School season, so maybe it is a bad time to buy.  Is it 
better after maybe September 15?  Do we often see sales?

I've noticed that when Costco has a good deal, it's a really good deal. 
So are any of these good machines?  I'm really interested in the cheaper 
ones.  I didn't really like the HP Pavilion I bought last year -- very 
weak WiFi, I thought.

http://tinyurl.com/l7ywqhx  [costco.com]

Are some brands especially good for Linux and some not so good?

Mike

From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 11:22:46 2013
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:22:46 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Chromebooks
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308221117160.4931@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

I guess Chromebooks come running Chrome OS, which is "Linux based," but 
what are your opinions?  Do they have a good package system?  Is it 
somehow related to Android?

My son needs a laptop, but I think he might occasionally need a Windows 
program and it wouldn't run on this, right?

Also, a lot of the Chromebooks have minimal HDD, so it would be hard to 
install multiple OSs.

Mike

From droidjd at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 11:30:05 2013
From: droidjd at gmail.com (Andrew Dahl)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:30:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Chromebooks
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308221117160.4931@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
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It's Linux based, yes, although it's based around the Chrome web browser.
 Most of what you do on it is based online.  It's also fairly locked down
by design, so don't expect to install Linux applications directly on the
Chromebook without turning developer mode on and using something like
crouton (look it up on github).

I've never heard of someone installing Windows on a Chromebook (although, I
don't doubt it'd be possible).  I've only put Linux on my own.  It's not as
straightforward as you might hope, but it works.

Ultimately, if your son can't do what he needs to using Linux, a Chromebook
probably isn't the best idea.  Personally, I have a Pixel and I'm in love
with it. (I had to turn developer mode on and modify the startup scripts to
allow for the native resolution of 2560x1700, but that's my only gripe)

-Andrew


On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com> wrote:

> I guess Chromebooks come running Chrome OS, which is "Linux based," but
> what are your opinions?  Do they have a good package system?  Is it somehow
> related to Android?
>
> My son needs a laptop, but I think he might occasionally need a Windows
> program and it wouldn't run on this, right?
>
> Also, a lot of the Chromebooks have minimal HDD, so it would be hard to
> install multiple OSs.
>
> Mike
> ______________________________**_________________
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From whjwhj at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 11:58:07 2013
From: whjwhj at gmail.com (whjwhj)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:58:07 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] buying a laptop -- when is the best time? ;
 what's a good choice?
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I've played around with the machines I've seen at Costco and many of 
them seem cheap. Particularly the keyboards. Soft, bouncy, squishy 
keyboards. Also, I keep my eye on screen resolution, particularly on the 
least expensive machines. They might have what appears to be a nice 14" 
or 15" display but then the resolution maxes out at 1380x768 or so. They 
can do so much better. 1400x900 and up is good. I personally can not 
stand the glossy reflective displays which so many of the machines have 
these days (including, alas, Apple).

My last three Linux machine purchases have all been used Lenovo Thinkpad 
machines and I've been absolutely delighted with them. It's clear Lenovo 
(formerly IBM) is very much focused on durability, particularly on their 
business class machines. And the keyboards are excellent.

They all run Linux just fine for me and appear to be a popular choice 
for Linux users in general.

Lenovo has an outlet store with some good deals:

http://outlet.lenovo.com/

I've gotten all three of mine from Craigslist and they've all been fine 
performers. I bought a new battery for one and I've been upgrading RAM 
and installing SSD drives periodically to give them a little extra bump.

e.g., This machine here looks very nice. Good screen resolution at 
1680x1050. Add more RAM perhaps and maybe an SSD or a larger HDD to 
replace the 160GB that's in there and you're set. (Although this machine 
might be a bit heavy for a student's backpack.)

http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/sys/4000943841.html

I'm fond of the T series and X series machines. I own an X200 and a 
T420s. Both these machines are light and portable while offering ample 
performance and features for my needs. The T43 I own is a bit heavier 
and very old and past it's prime. It still runs perfectly however and I 
use it regularly for light duty stuff.

whj

On 08/22/2013 11:14 AM, Mike Miller wrote:
> Now is the Back To School season, so maybe it is a bad time to buy.  Is
> it better after maybe September 15?  Do we often see sales?
>
> I've noticed that when Costco has a good deal, it's a really good deal.
> So are any of these good machines?  I'm really interested in the cheaper
> ones.  I didn't really like the HP Pavilion I bought last year -- very
> weak WiFi, I thought.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/l7ywqhx  [costco.com]
>
> Are some brands especially good for Linux and some not so good?
>
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
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From stuporglue at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 11:58:43 2013
From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:58:43 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Chromebooks
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References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308221117160.4931@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
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>> I guess Chromebooks come running Chrome OS, which is "Linux based," but
what are your opinions?  Do they have a good package system?  Is it somehow
related to Android?

I don't think there's even a package management system. My sister got a
chromebook and I couldn't even figure out how to install a native photo
editor (anything from MS paint to gimp would've been OK) or an FTP client.
Everything seems to be just web apps that get bookmarked on your desktop.

If I had one I'd install Ubuntu on it ASAP.
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From eng at pinenet.com  Thu Aug 22 11:59:39 2013
From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 11:59:39 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] inotifywait - too noisy
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I'm not sure either. But it seems the pipe to while isn't a pipe from 
one executable command output to another executable command input.





Mike Miller wrote:
> Isn't the question here why it would send multiple messages when the
> event is close_write?
>
> I'm not clear on how "while read FILE" works, but that is the part that
> makes me suspicious.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Jake Vath wrote:
>
>> Do you want to stick with Bash for the solution?
>> I've done something similar using Perl, so I bet I could modify it to do
>> something like this.
>> The Perl script uses *Inotify2*, so it's fairly portable.
>>
>> If you want to stick with Bash, maybe you could assemble your email
>> into a
>> few different strings, such as to, from, subject, and body.
>> You could only send an email with all the previous information and the
>> body
>> of the emails concatenated together.
>> That way you could build the emails based on some events and then send
>> one
>> email on a specific event.
>> Think of it as a sentinel-controlled event loop.
>>
>> -> Jake
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:57 PM, B-o-B De Mars
>> <mr.chew.baka at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I need to monitor various directories contained in one base
>>> directory, and
>>> notify certain users by email when a file has been added or changed in
>>> their monitored directory. I wrote a script using inotifywait, and
>>> when an
>>> event is triggered it fires of an email to the user with the location
>>> & the
>>> new file name.
>>>
>>> The script is working, but can generate many emails for one event
>>> (saving
>>> a large file for example).
>>>
>>> I have tried many of the different --event types available in
>>> inotifywait
>>> to see if I could get it down to one notification. No luck yet. Here is
>>> the basic outline of the script. Any thoughts on how I might be able to
>>> get this to only send one email per file would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> #!/bin/bash
>>> #
>>> # usage: script DIR email-to-addr
>>>
>>> DIR=$1
>>> EMAILTO=$2
>>>
>>> inotifywait --recursive --monitor --quiet --exclude '.*\.tmp' \
>>> --event close_write --format '%f' \
>>> /var/www/htdocs/contracts/**contracts/$DIR | while read FILE ;
>>> do
>>> {
>>> echo "To: $EMAILTO"
>>> echo "From: MONITOR ROBOT <DO-NOT-REPLY at somewhere.com>"
>>> echo "Subject: Alert - $DIR"
>>> echo " "
>>> echo "A new file has been detected in $DIR"
>>> echo ""
>>> echo "The New File is named:"
>>> echo " "
>>> echo $FILE
>>> } 2>&1 | /usr/bin/sendmail -t
>>> done
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Mr. B-o-B
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From droidjd at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 12:07:25 2013
From: droidjd at gmail.com (Andrew Dahl)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 12:07:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Chromebooks
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On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Michael Moore <stuporglue at gmail.com>wrote:

> >> I guess Chromebooks come running Chrome OS, which is "Linux based," but
> what are your opinions?  Do they have a good package system?  Is it somehow
> related to Android?
>
> I don't think there's even a package management system. My sister got
>

There really isn't. =[  It's all chrome extensions and such.

a chromebook and I couldn't even figure out how to install a native photo
> editor (anything from MS paint to gimp would've been OK) or an FTP client.
> Everything seems to be just web apps that get bookmarked on your desktop.
>
> If I had one I'd install Ubuntu on it ASAP.
>

I ended up throwing Fedora on it within a week and it actually all works
out of the box... even the touchscreen! (Although admittedly, the
touchscreen works a lot better on ChromeOS)  After a few months, I tried
out ChromeOS again, only this time I installed crouton and... it's not so
bad, really.

But yeah, I'd recommend installing Linux if you want to do anything
relatively serious on it.  All my real work is done in an ssh session, so
it works perfectly for me.
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From kc0iog at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 22:01:15 2013
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 22:01:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Chromebooks
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On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Andrew Dahl <droidjd at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ultimately, if your son can't do what he needs to using Linux, a Chromebook
> probably isn't the best idea.  Personally, I have a Pixel and I'm in love
> with it.

Forgive my ignorance, but for the price wouldn't it'd be more
advantageous to buy an Intel Macbook?

Brian

From droidjd at gmail.com  Thu Aug 22 22:40:10 2013
From: droidjd at gmail.com (Andrew Dahl)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 22:40:10 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Chromebooks
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Ha, no worries.  I was actually considering a MacBook prior to making my
purchase.  Ultimately, it depends on what you're looking for.  I actually
got mine for $940 from an individual on eBay who went to Google IO and got
it for free.  Mine's the 64GB ($1,449) model w/ LTE.  Otherwise you can get
the, still overpriced, 32GB Wi-Fi only model for $1,299.

So, you can get a 13" MBP w/ a "retina" display for $1,499 with more
memory, faster CPU, more HDD space, and a /slightly/ smaller screen.  So,
yeah, I *never* would have purchased a Pixel for more than $1,000.

My biggest concerns with getting a MBP was putting Linux on it.  I'm just
really not a fan of the Mac OS (my sister has one and after all these yes,
I still dislike the interface) and so I went to BestBuy and monkeyed with
one for hours using a Live Linux distro... and there were just too many
things that didn't work right or annoyed me about the hardware, and this
was a /year/ after they had released the MBP I was using.  That's the
entire reason why I didn't buy one.  All of the Pixel drivers were included
in the 3.10 kernel, I believe.

Had I not gotten a Pixel, I probably would've waited for the Samsung ATIV
Book 9 Plus, which is looking to be out now for $1,399 with slightly lower
specs (but larger display) than the MBP I outlined above.

At the end of the day, I bought my Pixel several months ago for the
resolution.  My primary monitor at home is 2560x1600, so I wanted a laptop
with a resolution around there that was also very light and portable.  It
works for me, but I'd never recommend buying one for the retail price.

That said, the non-ARM ones that cost <300 are pretty great.  A friend of
mine has two (one x86 for him and one ARM for his fiance) and they're
incredibly useful, especially for the price.  So, I /would/ recommend one
of those.  Drop the Pixel down to $1,000 and I'd recommend it as well.
 With the price as is, get something else.

And, I think I've rambled long enough!

-Andrew

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Brian Wall <kc0iog at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Andrew Dahl <droidjd at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ultimately, if your son can't do what he needs to using Linux, a
> Chromebook
> > probably isn't the best idea.  Personally, I have a Pixel and I'm in love
> > with it.
>
> Forgive my ignorance, but for the price wouldn't it'd be more
> advantageous to buy an Intel Macbook?
>
> Brian
> _______________________________________________
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From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Fri Aug 23 02:41:28 2013
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 02:41:28 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Chromebooks
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On Thu, 22 Aug 2013, Andrew Dahl wrote:

> Ultimately, if your son can't do what he needs to using Linux, a 
> Chromebook probably isn't the best idea.  Personally, I have a Pixel and 
> I'm in love with it. (I had to turn developer mode on and modify the 
> startup scripts to allow for the native resolution of 2560x1700, but 
> that's my only gripe)

That's an amazing screen!!  I'd like to see one someday.  It costs too 
much for me, but thanks for telling us about it.

Mike

From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Fri Aug 23 02:44:17 2013
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 02:44:17 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Chromebooks
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On Thu, 22 Aug 2013, Brian Wall wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Andrew Dahl <droidjd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ultimately, if your son can't do what he needs to using Linux, a 
>> Chromebook probably isn't the best idea.  Personally, I have a Pixel 
>> and I'm in love with it.
>
> Forgive my ignorance, but for the price wouldn't it'd be more 
> advantageous to buy an Intel Macbook?


For what price?  The price of a Chromebook?  Doesn't a Chromebook cost 
about $250?  How much does an Intel Macbook go for?  I thought they were a 
lot more than that.  I can see that some "pre-owned" Intel Macbooks are 
selling for $450.

Mike

From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Fri Aug 23 02:45:42 2013
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 02:45:42 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Chromebooks
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On Fri, 23 Aug 2013, Mike Miller wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Aug 2013, Brian Wall wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Andrew Dahl <droidjd at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ultimately, if your son can't do what he needs to using Linux, a 
>>> Chromebook probably isn't the best idea.  Personally, I have a Pixel 
>>> and I'm in love with it.
>> 
>> Forgive my ignorance, but for the price wouldn't it'd be more 
>> advantageous to buy an Intel Macbook?
>
> For what price?  The price of a Chromebook?

Nevermind -- the price of a Pixel.  Yes, they are expensive.

Mike

From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Fri Aug 23 02:50:41 2013
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 02:50:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Chromebooks
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On Thu, 22 Aug 2013, Michael Moore wrote:

>> I guess Chromebooks come running Chrome OS, which is "Linux based," but 
>> what are your opinions?  Do they have a good package system?  Is it 
>> somehow related to Android?
>
> I don't think there's even a package management system. My sister got a 
> chromebook and I couldn't even figure out how to install a native photo 
> editor (anything from MS paint to gimp would've been OK) or an FTP 
> client. Everything seems to be just web apps that get bookmarked on your 
> desktop.

That's ridiculous.  If I wasn't going to use it with Linux, I wouldn't buy 
one.  I still like my little old Asus EeePC -- great battery, great WiFi, 
running Ubuntu, works fine.  Apparently, my little Asus gives about twice 
the number of hours per battery charge as does a Chromebook.

Mike

From droidjd at gmail.com  Fri Aug 23 02:50:36 2013
From: droidjd at gmail.com (Andrew Dahl)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 02:50:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Chromebooks
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Anytime!  The < $300 options are still there (I wouldn't recommend ARM,
strictly because the current options are slower and not worth the ~$50
savings in my opinion), but ultimately most hardware out there is
competitively priced, so I'm sure you could find a very competitive and
equivalent laptop running Windows and either keep that or install Linux,
based on your son's needs.

Good luck in your search!

-Andrew


On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 2:41 AM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Aug 2013, Andrew Dahl wrote:
>
>  Ultimately, if your son can't do what he needs to using Linux, a
>> Chromebook probably isn't the best idea.  Personally, I have a Pixel and
>> I'm in love with it. (I had to turn developer mode on and modify the
>> startup scripts to allow for the native resolution of 2560x1700, but that's
>> my only gripe)
>>
>
> That's an amazing screen!!  I'd like to see one someday.  It costs too
> much for me, but thanks for telling us about it.
>
>
> Mike
> ______________________________**_________________
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From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Fri Aug 23 03:11:28 2013
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 03:11:28 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] buying a laptop -- when is the best time? ;
 what's a good choice?
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Thanks for this advice.  I mostly don't like the machines at Costco, 
either.  But two years ago I bought a little Acer laptop for my daughter, 
then four years old, with 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD and very long battery life 
for only $250.  She has been using it all the time since then.  It still 
works great.  I bought three Seagate 3TB external USB3 drives at Costco 
last year for $100 each.  When they have a good deal, it's hard to beat.

The thing that concerns me with buying used laptops is that the batteries 
often don't work well, so then I need a battery and they are expensive. 
We'd like to get a machine that has HDMI out, but the Lenovo T500 seems to 
have some other kind of HD output that needs an adaptor to get HDMI, but 
it doesn't carry the audio.  I'll still be considering the T500, so 
thanks!

Mike


On Thu, 22 Aug 2013, whjwhj wrote:

> I've played around with the machines I've seen at Costco and many of 
> them seem cheap. Particularly the keyboards. Soft, bouncy, squishy 
> keyboards. Also, I keep my eye on screen resolution, particularly on the 
> least expensive machines. They might have what appears to be a nice 14" 
> or 15" display but then the resolution maxes out at 1380x768 or so. They 
> can do so much better. 1400x900 and up is good. I personally can not 
> stand the glossy reflective displays which so many of the machines have 
> these days (including, alas, Apple).
>
> My last three Linux machine purchases have all been used Lenovo Thinkpad 
> machines and I've been absolutely delighted with them. It's clear Lenovo 
> (formerly IBM) is very much focused on durability, particularly on their 
> business class machines. And the keyboards are excellent.
>
> They all run Linux just fine for me and appear to be a popular choice 
> for Linux users in general.
>
> Lenovo has an outlet store with some good deals:
>
> http://outlet.lenovo.com/
>
> I've gotten all three of mine from Craigslist and they've all been fine 
> performers. I bought a new battery for one and I've been upgrading RAM 
> and installing SSD drives periodically to give them a little extra bump.
>
> e.g., This machine here looks very nice. Good screen resolution at 
> 1680x1050. Add more RAM perhaps and maybe an SSD or a larger HDD to 
> replace the 160GB that's in there and you're set. (Although this machine 
> might be a bit heavy for a student's backpack.)
>
> http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/sys/4000943841.html
>
> I'm fond of the T series and X series machines. I own an X200 and a 
> T420s. Both these machines are light and portable while offering ample 
> performance and features for my needs. The T43 I own is a bit heavier 
> and very old and past it's prime. It still runs perfectly however and I 
> use it regularly for light duty stuff.
>
> whj
>
> On 08/22/2013 11:14 AM, Mike Miller wrote:
>> Now is the Back To School season, so maybe it is a bad time to buy.  Is
>> it better after maybe September 15?  Do we often see sales?
>> 
>> I've noticed that when Costco has a good deal, it's a really good deal.
>> So are any of these good machines?  I'm really interested in the cheaper
>> ones.  I didn't really like the HP Pavilion I bought last year -- very
>> weak WiFi, I thought.
>> 
>> http://tinyurl.com/l7ywqhx  [costco.com]
>> 
>> Are some brands especially good for Linux and some not so good?
>> 
>> Mike
>> _______________________________________________
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From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Fri Aug 23 03:25:45 2013
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 03:25:45 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] inotifywait - too noisy
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Are the multiple email messages identical, or does $FILE change?

Mike


On Thu, 22 Aug 2013, Rick Engebretson wrote:

> I'm not sure either. But it seems the pipe to while isn't a pipe from one 
> executable command output to another executable command input.
>
>
> Mike Miller wrote:
>> Isn't the question here why it would send multiple messages when the
>> event is close_write?
>> 
>> I'm not clear on how "while read FILE" works, but that is the part that
>> makes me suspicious.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Jake Vath wrote:
>> 
>>> Do you want to stick with Bash for the solution?
>>> I've done something similar using Perl, so I bet I could modify it to do
>>> something like this.
>>> The Perl script uses *Inotify2*, so it's fairly portable.
>>> 
>>> If you want to stick with Bash, maybe you could assemble your email
>>> into a
>>> few different strings, such as to, from, subject, and body.
>>> You could only send an email with all the previous information and the
>>> body
>>> of the emails concatenated together.
>>> That way you could build the emails based on some events and then send
>>> one
>>> email on a specific event.
>>> Think of it as a sentinel-controlled event loop.
>>> 
>>> -> Jake
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:57 PM, B-o-B De Mars
>>> <mr.chew.baka at gmail.com>wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I need to monitor various directories contained in one base 
>>>> directory, and notify certain users by email when a file has been 
>>>> added or changed in their monitored directory. I wrote a script using 
>>>> inotifywait, and when an event is triggered it fires of an email to 
>>>> the user with the location & the new file name.
>>>> 
>>>> The script is working, but can generate many emails for one event 
>>>> (saving a large file for example).
>>>> 
>>>> I have tried many of the different --event types available in 
>>>> inotifywait to see if I could get it down to one notification. No 
>>>> luck yet. Here is the basic outline of the script. Any thoughts on 
>>>> how I might be able to get this to only send one email per file would 
>>>> be greatly appreciated.
>>>> 
>>>> #!/bin/bash
>>>> #
>>>> # usage: script DIR email-to-addr
>>>> 
>>>> DIR=$1
>>>> EMAILTO=$2
>>>> 
>>>> inotifywait --recursive --monitor --quiet --exclude '.*\.tmp' \
>>>> --event close_write --format '%f' \
>>>> /var/www/htdocs/contracts/**contracts/$DIR | while read FILE ;
>>>> do
>>>> {
>>>> echo "To: $EMAILTO"
>>>> echo "From: MONITOR ROBOT <DO-NOT-REPLY at somewhere.com>"
>>>> echo "Subject: Alert - $DIR"
>>>> echo " "
>>>> echo "A new file has been detected in $DIR"
>>>> echo ""
>>>> echo "The New File is named:"
>>>> echo " "
>>>> echo $FILE
>>>> } 2>&1 | /usr/bin/sendmail -t
>>>> done
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> Mr. B-o-B
>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list<http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
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From jake.vath at gmail.com  Fri Aug 23 06:57:38 2013
From: jake.vath at gmail.com (Jake Vath)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 06:57:38 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] inotifywait - too noisy
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I modified the script a bit.
I added *set -e* to the script and removed the pipe to *sendmail
*
All of the output is being directed to *stdout*.

#!/bin/bash
#
# usage: script DIR email-to-addr
set -e

DIR=$1
EMAILTO=$2

/usr/bin/inotifywait --recursive \
                           --monitor \
                           --quiet \
                           --exclude '.*\.tmp' \
                           --event close_write \
                           --format '%f' \
                           /home/jake/tmp/$DIR | while read FILE;
do
{
        echo "To: $EMAILTO"
        echo "From: MONITOR ROBOT <DO-NOT-REPLY at somewhere.com>"
        echo "Subject: Alert - $DIR"
        echo " "
        echo "A new file has been detected in $DIR"
        echo ""
        echo "The New File is named:"
        echo " "
        echo $FILE
} 2>&1
done

I executed the script like this:
    jake at server:~$ ./mailme.sh dirToWatch jake.vath at gmail.com

Only get one "email" per file that I created.
Granted the email is not sent through *sendmail*.

After running this:
   jake at server:~$ touch tmp ./dirToWatch/tmp

I get a "email" like this in my shell:
*To: jvath at erdc.k12.mn.us*
*From: MONITOR ROBOT <DO-NOT-REPLY at somewhere.com>*
*Subject: Alert - dirToWatch*

*A new file has been detected in dirToWatch*

*The New File is named:*

*tmp*

Do you think that it would be something with your mail server or *sendmail*?

Mike, when I created some test files $FILE always changed.

Actually, I'm a little confused by the *2>&1 | /usr/bin/sendmail -t* at the
end of your do-while loop.
I know that *2>&1* is going to redirect *stderr* to *stdout*, but that
redirection only takes place IFF there *is* and error, correct?
If that is correct and the normal output is going through the pipe to *
sendmail* just like it looks like.

On a slightly related note, I read the man page for *sendmail* and came
across this:

*Notes*

*sendmail often gets blamed for many problems that are actually the result
of other problems, such as overly permissive modes on directories. For this
reason, sendmail checks the modes on system directories and files to
determine if they can be trusted. Although these checks can be turned off
and your system security reduced by setting the DontBlameSendmail option,
the permission problems should be fixed. For more information, see:*

*http://www.sendmail.org/tips/DontBlameSendmail.html*

I thought it was comical, as I'm sure they do get a lot bug reports that
are not *really* bugs in *sendmail*.

-> Jake


On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:25 AM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com> wrote:

> Are the multiple email messages identical, or does $FILE change?
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> On Thu, 22 Aug 2013, Rick Engebretson wrote:
>
>  I'm not sure either. But it seems the pipe to while isn't a pipe from one
>> executable command output to another executable command input.
>>
>>
>> Mike Miller wrote:
>>
>>> Isn't the question here why it would send multiple messages when the
>>> event is close_write?
>>>
>>> I'm not clear on how "while read FILE" works, but that is the part that
>>> makes me suspicious.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Jake Vath wrote:
>>>
>>>  Do you want to stick with Bash for the solution?
>>>> I've done something similar using Perl, so I bet I could modify it to do
>>>> something like this.
>>>> The Perl script uses *Inotify2*, so it's fairly portable.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to stick with Bash, maybe you could assemble your email
>>>> into a
>>>> few different strings, such as to, from, subject, and body.
>>>> You could only send an email with all the previous information and the
>>>> body
>>>> of the emails concatenated together.
>>>> That way you could build the emails based on some events and then send
>>>> one
>>>> email on a specific event.
>>>> Think of it as a sentinel-controlled event loop.
>>>>
>>>> -> Jake
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:57 PM, B-o-B De Mars
>>>> <mr.chew.baka at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  I need to monitor various directories contained in one base directory,
>>>>> and notify certain users by email when a file has been added or changed in
>>>>> their monitored directory. I wrote a script using inotifywait, and when an
>>>>> event is triggered it fires of an email to the user with the location & the
>>>>> new file name.
>>>>>
>>>>> The script is working, but can generate many emails for one event
>>>>> (saving a large file for example).
>>>>>
>>>>> I have tried many of the different --event types available in
>>>>> inotifywait to see if I could get it down to one notification. No luck yet.
>>>>> Here is the basic outline of the script. Any thoughts on how I might be
>>>>> able to get this to only send one email per file would be greatly
>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> #!/bin/bash
>>>>> #
>>>>> # usage: script DIR email-to-addr
>>>>>
>>>>> DIR=$1
>>>>> EMAILTO=$2
>>>>>
>>>>> inotifywait --recursive --monitor --quiet --exclude '.*\.tmp' \
>>>>> --event close_write --format '%f' \
>>>>> /var/www/htdocs/contracts/****contracts/$DIR | while read FILE ;
>>>>> do
>>>>> {
>>>>> echo "To: $EMAILTO"
>>>>> echo "From: MONITOR ROBOT <DO-NOT-REPLY at somewhere.com>"
>>>>> echo "Subject: Alert - $DIR"
>>>>> echo " "
>>>>> echo "A new file has been detected in $DIR"
>>>>> echo ""
>>>>> echo "The New File is named:"
>>>>> echo " "
>>>>> echo $FILE
>>>>> } 2>&1 | /usr/bin/sendmail -t
>>>>> done
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr. B-o-B
>>>>> ______________________________****_________________
>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/****mailman/listinfo/tclug-list<http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>>>>> <ht**tp://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list<http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>  ______________________________**_________________
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>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list<http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>>>
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From jake.vath at gmail.com  Fri Aug 23 06:59:38 2013
From: jake.vath at gmail.com (Jake Vath)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 06:59:38 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] inotifywait - too noisy
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Ha, I just noticed that I used the wrong email in my script.
So, if anyone is wondering with the email address changed... it was user
error.
Sorry about that.

-> Jake


On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 6:57 AM, Jake Vath <jake.vath at gmail.com> wrote:

> I modified the script a bit.
> I added *set -e* to the script and removed the pipe to *sendmail
> *
> All of the output is being directed to *stdout*.
>
>
> #!/bin/bash
> #
> # usage: script DIR email-to-addr
> set -e
>
> DIR=$1
> EMAILTO=$2
>
> /usr/bin/inotifywait --recursive \
>
>                            --monitor \
>                            --quiet \
>                            --exclude '.*\.tmp' \
>                            --event close_write \
>                            --format '%f' \
>                            /home/jake/tmp/$DIR | while read FILE;
>
> do
> {
>         echo "To: $EMAILTO"
>         echo "From: MONITOR ROBOT <DO-NOT-REPLY at somewhere.com>"
>         echo "Subject: Alert - $DIR"
>         echo " "
>         echo "A new file has been detected in $DIR"
>         echo ""
>         echo "The New File is named:"
>         echo " "
>         echo $FILE
> } 2>&1
> done
>
> I executed the script like this:
>     jake at server:~$ ./mailme.sh dirToWatch jake.vath at gmail.com
>
> Only get one "email" per file that I created.
> Granted the email is not sent through *sendmail*.
>
> After running this:
>    jake at server:~$ touch tmp ./dirToWatch/tmp
>
> I get a "email" like this in my shell:
> *To: jvath at erdc.k12.mn.us*
> *From: MONITOR ROBOT <DO-NOT-REPLY at somewhere.com>*
> *Subject: Alert - dirToWatch*
>
> *A new file has been detected in dirToWatch*
>
>
> *The New File is named:*
>
> *tmp*
>
> Do you think that it would be something with your mail server or *sendmail
> *?
>
> Mike, when I created some test files $FILE always changed.
>
> Actually, I'm a little confused by the *2>&1 | /usr/bin/sendmail -t* at
> the end of your do-while loop.
> I know that *2>&1* is going to redirect *stderr* to *stdout*, but that
> redirection only takes place IFF there *is* and error, correct?
> If that is correct and the normal output is going through the pipe to *
> sendmail* just like it looks like.
>
> On a slightly related note, I read the man page for *sendmail* and came
> across this:
>
> *Notes*
>
> *sendmail often gets blamed for many problems that are actually the
> result of other problems, such as overly permissive modes on directories.
> For this reason, sendmail checks the modes on system directories and files
> to determine if they can be trusted. Although these checks can be turned
> off and your system security reduced by setting the DontBlameSendmail
> option, the permission problems should be fixed. For more information, see:
> *
>
> *http://www.sendmail.org/tips/DontBlameSendmail.html*
>
> I thought it was comical, as I'm sure they do get a lot bug reports that
> are not *really* bugs in *sendmail*.
>
> -> Jake
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:25 AM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Are the multiple email messages identical, or does $FILE change?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2013, Rick Engebretson wrote:
>>
>>  I'm not sure either. But it seems the pipe to while isn't a pipe from
>>> one executable command output to another executable command input.
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Miller wrote:
>>>
>>>> Isn't the question here why it would send multiple messages when the
>>>> event is close_write?
>>>>
>>>> I'm not clear on how "while read FILE" works, but that is the part that
>>>> makes me suspicious.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 21 Aug 2013, Jake Vath wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Do you want to stick with Bash for the solution?
>>>>> I've done something similar using Perl, so I bet I could modify it to
>>>>> do
>>>>> something like this.
>>>>> The Perl script uses *Inotify2*, so it's fairly portable.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want to stick with Bash, maybe you could assemble your email
>>>>> into a
>>>>> few different strings, such as to, from, subject, and body.
>>>>> You could only send an email with all the previous information and the
>>>>> body
>>>>> of the emails concatenated together.
>>>>> That way you could build the emails based on some events and then send
>>>>> one
>>>>> email on a specific event.
>>>>> Think of it as a sentinel-controlled event loop.
>>>>>
>>>>> -> Jake
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 11:57 PM, B-o-B De Mars
>>>>> <mr.chew.baka at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  I need to monitor various directories contained in one base
>>>>>> directory, and notify certain users by email when a file has been added or
>>>>>> changed in their monitored directory. I wrote a script using inotifywait,
>>>>>> and when an event is triggered it fires of an email to the user with the
>>>>>> location & the new file name.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The script is working, but can generate many emails for one event
>>>>>> (saving a large file for example).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have tried many of the different --event types available in
>>>>>> inotifywait to see if I could get it down to one notification. No luck yet.
>>>>>> Here is the basic outline of the script. Any thoughts on how I might be
>>>>>> able to get this to only send one email per file would be greatly
>>>>>> appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #!/bin/bash
>>>>>> #
>>>>>> # usage: script DIR email-to-addr
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DIR=$1
>>>>>> EMAILTO=$2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> inotifywait --recursive --monitor --quiet --exclude '.*\.tmp' \
>>>>>> --event close_write --format '%f' \
>>>>>> /var/www/htdocs/contracts/****contracts/$DIR | while read FILE ;
>>>>>> do
>>>>>> {
>>>>>> echo "To: $EMAILTO"
>>>>>> echo "From: MONITOR ROBOT <DO-NOT-REPLY at somewhere.com>"
>>>>>> echo "Subject: Alert - $DIR"
>>>>>> echo " "
>>>>>> echo "A new file has been detected in $DIR"
>>>>>> echo ""
>>>>>> echo "The New File is named:"
>>>>>> echo " "
>>>>>> echo $FILE
>>>>>> } 2>&1 | /usr/bin/sendmail -t
>>>>>> done
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr. B-o-B
>>>>>> ______________________________****_________________
>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/****mailman/listinfo/tclug-list<http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>>>>>> <ht**tp://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list<http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>  ______________________________**_________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list<http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>>>>
>>>>  ______________________________**_________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
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>>>
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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Fri Aug 23 08:50:35 2013
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 08:50:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ide
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9C2=J6=xaVKq3Ry6LOa9oNFUeS9k1KgeLb+oqxr6ELenQ@mail.gmail.com>

anyone got a working ide disc they no longer need with 200gb or more?
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From jpschewe at mtu.net  Sat Aug 24 08:04:33 2013
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 08:04:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] buying a laptop -- when is the best time? ;
 what's a good choice?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308230304520.4931@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308221107450.4931@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
	<5216431F.8090201@gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1308230304520.4931@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
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I just bought a machine from System76 and it seems pretty good. They sell
systems with Linux already on them and ensure that the hardware is
compatible.


On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:11 AM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for this advice.  I mostly don't like the machines at Costco,
> either.  But two years ago I bought a little Acer laptop for my daughter,
> then four years old, with 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD and very long battery life for
> only $250.  She has been using it all the time since then.  It still works
> great.  I bought three Seagate 3TB external USB3 drives at Costco last year
> for $100 each.  When they have a good deal, it's hard to beat.
>
> The thing that concerns me with buying used laptops is that the batteries
> often don't work well, so then I need a battery and they are expensive.
> We'd like to get a machine that has HDMI out, but the Lenovo T500 seems to
> have some other kind of HD output that needs an adaptor to get HDMI, but it
> doesn't carry the audio.  I'll still be considering the T500, so thanks!
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> On Thu, 22 Aug 2013, whjwhj wrote:
>
>  I've played around with the machines I've seen at Costco and many of them
>> seem cheap. Particularly the keyboards. Soft, bouncy, squishy keyboards.
>> Also, I keep my eye on screen resolution, particularly on the least
>> expensive machines. They might have what appears to be a nice 14" or 15"
>> display but then the resolution maxes out at 1380x768 or so. They can do so
>> much better. 1400x900 and up is good. I personally can not stand the glossy
>> reflective displays which so many of the machines have these days
>> (including, alas, Apple).
>>
>> My last three Linux machine purchases have all been used Lenovo Thinkpad
>> machines and I've been absolutely delighted with them. It's clear Lenovo
>> (formerly IBM) is very much focused on durability, particularly on their
>> business class machines. And the keyboards are excellent.
>>
>> They all run Linux just fine for me and appear to be a popular choice for
>> Linux users in general.
>>
>> Lenovo has an outlet store with some good deals:
>>
>> http://outlet.lenovo.com/
>>
>> I've gotten all three of mine from Craigslist and they've all been fine
>> performers. I bought a new battery for one and I've been upgrading RAM and
>> installing SSD drives periodically to give them a little extra bump.
>>
>> e.g., This machine here looks very nice. Good screen resolution at
>> 1680x1050. Add more RAM perhaps and maybe an SSD or a larger HDD to replace
>> the 160GB that's in there and you're set. (Although this machine might be a
>> bit heavy for a student's backpack.)
>>
>> http://minneapolis.craigslist.**org/ram/sys/4000943841.html<http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/sys/4000943841.html>
>>
>> I'm fond of the T series and X series machines. I own an X200 and a
>> T420s. Both these machines are light and portable while offering ample
>> performance and features for my needs. The T43 I own is a bit heavier and
>> very old and past it's prime. It still runs perfectly however and I use it
>> regularly for light duty stuff.
>>
>> whj
>>
>> On 08/22/2013 11:14 AM, Mike Miller wrote:
>>
>>> Now is the Back To School season, so maybe it is a bad time to buy.  Is
>>> it better after maybe September 15?  Do we often see sales?
>>>
>>> I've noticed that when Costco has a good deal, it's a really good deal.
>>> So are any of these good machines?  I'm really interested in the cheaper
>>> ones.  I didn't really like the HP Pavilion I bought last year -- very
>>> weak WiFi, I thought.
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/l7ywqhx  [costco.com]
>>>
>>> Are some brands especially good for Linux and some not so good?
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list<http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>>>
>> ______________________________**_________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list<http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>>
>>  ______________________________**_________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list<http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>
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From whjwhj at gmail.com  Sat Aug 24 08:54:01 2013
From: whjwhj at gmail.com (Warren Jacobson)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 08:54:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] buying a laptop -- when is the best time? ;
	what's a good choice?
In-Reply-To: <CALpcnoxdF+Dhi5iGvsdrQ4F3zVFwh+CZT1DvfUJNGHQi_u-3fw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308221107450.4931@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
	<5216431F.8090201@gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1308230304520.4931@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
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I've bern curious about System 76 machines for some time.  Which one did you get? Did you stay with the stock Ubuntu install or did you install something else?

It's about the only way I'm aware of to buy new HW without indirectly paying for a Windows OEM license.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 24, 2013, at 8:04 AM, Jon Schewe <jpschewe at mtu.net> wrote:

> I just bought a machine from System76 and it seems pretty good. They sell systems with Linux already on them and ensure that the hardware is compatible. 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:11 AM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for this advice.  I mostly don't like the machines at Costco, either.  But two years ago I bought a little Acer laptop for my daughter, then four years old, with 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD and very long battery life for only $250.  She has been using it all the time since then.  It still works great.  I bought three Seagate 3TB external USB3 drives at Costco last year for $100 each.  When they have a good deal, it's hard to beat.
>> 
>> The thing that concerns me with buying used laptops is that the batteries often don't work well, so then I need a battery and they are expensive. We'd like to get a machine that has HDMI out, but the Lenovo T500 seems to have some other kind of HD output that needs an adaptor to get HDMI, but it doesn't carry the audio.  I'll still be considering the T500, so thanks!
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2013, whjwhj wrote:
>> 
>>> I've played around with the machines I've seen at Costco and many of them seem cheap. Particularly the keyboards. Soft, bouncy, squishy keyboards. Also, I keep my eye on screen resolution, particularly on the least expensive machines. They might have what appears to be a nice 14" or 15" display but then the resolution maxes out at 1380x768 or so. They can do so much better. 1400x900 and up is good. I personally can not stand the glossy reflective displays which so many of the machines have these days (including, alas, Apple).
>>> 
>>> My last three Linux machine purchases have all been used Lenovo Thinkpad machines and I've been absolutely delighted with them. It's clear Lenovo (formerly IBM) is very much focused on durability, particularly on their business class machines. And the keyboards are excellent.
>>> 
>>> They all run Linux just fine for me and appear to be a popular choice for Linux users in general.
>>> 
>>> Lenovo has an outlet store with some good deals:
>>> 
>>> http://outlet.lenovo.com/
>>> 
>>> I've gotten all three of mine from Craigslist and they've all been fine performers. I bought a new battery for one and I've been upgrading RAM and installing SSD drives periodically to give them a little extra bump.
>>> 
>>> e.g., This machine here looks very nice. Good screen resolution at 1680x1050. Add more RAM perhaps and maybe an SSD or a larger HDD to replace the 160GB that's in there and you're set. (Although this machine might be a bit heavy for a student's backpack.)
>>> 
>>> http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/sys/4000943841.html
>>> 
>>> I'm fond of the T series and X series machines. I own an X200 and a T420s. Both these machines are light and portable while offering ample performance and features for my needs. The T43 I own is a bit heavier and very old and past it's prime. It still runs perfectly however and I use it regularly for light duty stuff.
>>> 
>>> whj
>>> 
>>> On 08/22/2013 11:14 AM, Mike Miller wrote:
>>>> Now is the Back To School season, so maybe it is a bad time to buy.  Is
>>>> it better after maybe September 15?  Do we often see sales?
>>>> 
>>>> I've noticed that when Costco has a good deal, it's a really good deal.
>>>> So are any of these good machines?  I'm really interested in the cheaper
>>>> ones.  I didn't really like the HP Pavilion I bought last year -- very
>>>> weak WiFi, I thought.
>>>> 
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/l7ywqhx  [costco.com]
>>>> 
>>>> Are some brands especially good for Linux and some not so good?
>>>> 
>>>> Mike
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> 
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From tclug at jfoo.org  Sat Aug 24 12:35:31 2013
From: tclug at jfoo.org (John Gateley)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 12:35:31 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free server (no disks)
Message-ID: <5218EEE3.7080304@jfoo.org>

My old server, hasn't been booted in a year or so, no hard disks.
Very nice Antec quiet case.

In the alley between St. Anthony Blvd and 30th Ave, entrance is either 
on St. Anthony Blvd or Pierce St (weird alley).

I'll post here when I notice it has been picked up.

j


From tclug at jfoo.org  Sat Aug 24 12:42:45 2013
From: tclug at jfoo.org (John Gateley)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 12:42:45 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free server (no disks)
In-Reply-To: <5218EEE3.7080304@jfoo.org>
References: <5218EEE3.7080304@jfoo.org>
Message-ID: <5218F095.6020303@jfoo.org>

On 8/24/13 12:35 PM, John Gateley wrote:
> My old server, hasn't been booted in a year or so, no hard disks.
> Very nice Antec quiet case.
>
> In the alley between St. Anthony Blvd and 30th Ave, entrance is either 
> on St. Anthony Blvd or Pierce St (weird alley).
>
> I'll post here when I notice it has been picked up.
>
> j
>

Also free 17" LCD monitor. Again, I'll post here when it is gone.


From tclug at jfoo.org  Sat Aug 24 21:54:51 2013
From: tclug at jfoo.org (John Gateley)
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 21:54:51 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free server (no disks)
In-Reply-To: <5218F095.6020303@jfoo.org>
References: <5218EEE3.7080304@jfoo.org> <5218F095.6020303@jfoo.org>
Message-ID: <521971FB.708@jfoo.org>

On 8/24/13 12:42 PM, John Gateley wrote:
> On 8/24/13 12:35 PM, John Gateley wrote:
>> My old server, hasn't been booted in a year or so, no hard disks.
>> Very nice Antec quiet case.
>>
>> In the alley between St. Anthony Blvd and 30th Ave, entrance is 
>> either on St. Anthony Blvd or Pierce St (weird alley).
>>
>> I'll post here when I notice it has been picked up.
>>
>> j
>>
>
> Also free 17" LCD monitor. Again, I'll post here when it is gone.

Server is gone. LCD monitor is still there.

j


From jpschewe at mtu.net  Sun Aug 25 20:40:29 2013
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2013 20:40:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] buying a laptop -- when is the best time? ;
 what's a good choice?
In-Reply-To: <0C22F712-6E51-4A2F-9788-78A2C50D9DA0@gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308221107450.4931@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
	<5216431F.8090201@gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1308230304520.4931@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
	<CALpcnoxdF+Dhi5iGvsdrQ4F3zVFwh+CZT1DvfUJNGHQi_u-3fw@mail.gmail.com>
	<0C22F712-6E51-4A2F-9788-78A2C50D9DA0@gmail.com>
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I got the Gazelle Professional. I used the stock Ubuntu as that's what I've
been running on my desktop at home.

I did have a small issue with their quality checks. One of the bottom
panels wasn't screwed in all the way, so it came loose in shipping and so
did the second hard drive. No damage, but I did need to slide the drive
back into it's slot and screw the cover down. There were extremely
apologetic about it.


On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Warren Jacobson <whjwhj at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've bern curious about System 76 machines for some time.  Which one did
> you get? Did you stay with the stock Ubuntu install or did you install
> something else?
>
> It's about the only way I'm aware of to buy new HW without indirectly
> paying for a Windows OEM license.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 24, 2013, at 8:04 AM, Jon Schewe <jpschewe at mtu.net> wrote:
>
> I just bought a machine from System76 and it seems pretty good. They sell
> systems with Linux already on them and ensure that the hardware is
> compatible.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:11 AM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for this advice.  I mostly don't like the machines at Costco,
>> either.  But two years ago I bought a little Acer laptop for my daughter,
>> then four years old, with 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD and very long battery life for
>> only $250.  She has been using it all the time since then.  It still works
>> great.  I bought three Seagate 3TB external USB3 drives at Costco last year
>> for $100 each.  When they have a good deal, it's hard to beat.
>>
>> The thing that concerns me with buying used laptops is that the batteries
>> often don't work well, so then I need a battery and they are expensive.
>> We'd like to get a machine that has HDMI out, but the Lenovo T500 seems to
>> have some other kind of HD output that needs an adaptor to get HDMI, but it
>> doesn't carry the audio.  I'll still be considering the T500, so thanks!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2013, whjwhj wrote:
>>
>>  I've played around with the machines I've seen at Costco and many of
>>> them seem cheap. Particularly the keyboards. Soft, bouncy, squishy
>>> keyboards. Also, I keep my eye on screen resolution, particularly on the
>>> least expensive machines. They might have what appears to be a nice 14" or
>>> 15" display but then the resolution maxes out at 1380x768 or so. They can
>>> do so much better. 1400x900 and up is good. I personally can not stand the
>>> glossy reflective displays which so many of the machines have these days
>>> (including, alas, Apple).
>>>
>>> My last three Linux machine purchases have all been used Lenovo Thinkpad
>>> machines and I've been absolutely delighted with them. It's clear Lenovo
>>> (formerly IBM) is very much focused on durability, particularly on their
>>> business class machines. And the keyboards are excellent.
>>>
>>> They all run Linux just fine for me and appear to be a popular choice
>>> for Linux users in general.
>>>
>>> Lenovo has an outlet store with some good deals:
>>>
>>> http://outlet.lenovo.com/
>>>
>>> I've gotten all three of mine from Craigslist and they've all been fine
>>> performers. I bought a new battery for one and I've been upgrading RAM and
>>> installing SSD drives periodically to give them a little extra bump.
>>>
>>> e.g., This machine here looks very nice. Good screen resolution at
>>> 1680x1050. Add more RAM perhaps and maybe an SSD or a larger HDD to replace
>>> the 160GB that's in there and you're set. (Although this machine might be a
>>> bit heavy for a student's backpack.)
>>>
>>> http://minneapolis.craigslist.**org/ram/sys/4000943841.html<http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/sys/4000943841.html>
>>>
>>> I'm fond of the T series and X series machines. I own an X200 and a
>>> T420s. Both these machines are light and portable while offering ample
>>> performance and features for my needs. The T43 I own is a bit heavier and
>>> very old and past it's prime. It still runs perfectly however and I use it
>>> regularly for light duty stuff.
>>>
>>> whj
>>>
>>> On 08/22/2013 11:14 AM, Mike Miller wrote:
>>>
>>>> Now is the Back To School season, so maybe it is a bad time to buy.  Is
>>>> it better after maybe September 15?  Do we often see sales?
>>>>
>>>> I've noticed that when Costco has a good deal, it's a really good deal.
>>>> So are any of these good machines?  I'm really interested in the cheaper
>>>> ones.  I didn't really like the HP Pavilion I bought last year -- very
>>>> weak WiFi, I thought.
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/l7ywqhx  [costco.com]
>>>>
>>>> Are some brands especially good for Linux and some not so good?
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list<http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>>>>
>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list<http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>>>
>>>  ______________________________**_________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list<http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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>
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From ryanjcole at me.com  Mon Aug 26 00:22:17 2013
From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 00:22:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Experience with VMware ESXi and UPS devices?
Message-ID: <7C9F1A69-D7BB-4A58-A607-8FE4B8ECAFE1@me.com>

So we lost power twice tonight? in the middle of the reboot process of my VMs we lost power again. I do not have the server on the UPS at this time (for reasons that escape me) but I was wondering if there's a way to tie a UPS in to shutdown the VMs and leave the core running until the battery hits a certain point - via the host and not the guests.

I know I can tie in the guests to the APC and have them shut down but I would like to manage it on the ESXi side.

Just an idea I'm playing with.

Thanks!

From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Mon Aug 26 10:59:13 2013
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:59:13 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] buying a laptop -- when is the best time? ;
 what's a good choice?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308230304520.4931@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308221107450.4931@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
	<5216431F.8090201@gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1308230304520.4931@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1308261026380.14907@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

I was visiting my son in Madison yesterday when we happened to see a 
Lenovo G505 for $286 at Best Buy.  It was the floor model, but we bought 
it.  It seems to fit the bill: 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD, HDMI, USB 3.0., DVD?RW 
but no Bluetooth.  It comes with Windows 8 and I guess it can run Linux 
really well.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/15.6%22+Laptop+-+4GB+Memory+-+500GB+Hard+Drive/9130065.p

Thanks for recommending Lenovo.  Now I just hope the battery is still 
really good.  It looked like it was in perfect condition.

Mike


On Fri, 23 Aug 2013, Mike Miller wrote:

> Thanks for this advice.  I mostly don't like the machines at Costco, either. 
> But two years ago I bought a little Acer laptop for my daughter, then four 
> years old, with 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD and very long battery life for only $250. 
> She has been using it all the time since then.  It still works great.  I 
> bought three Seagate 3TB external USB3 drives at Costco last year for $100 
> each.  When they have a good deal, it's hard to beat.
>
> The thing that concerns me with buying used laptops is that the batteries 
> often don't work well, so then I need a battery and they are expensive. We'd 
> like to get a machine that has HDMI out, but the Lenovo T500 seems to have 
> some other kind of HD output that needs an adaptor to get HDMI, but it 
> doesn't carry the audio.  I'll still be considering the T500, so thanks!
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Thu, 22 Aug 2013, whjwhj wrote:
>
>> I've played around with the machines I've seen at Costco and many of them 
>> seem cheap. Particularly the keyboards. Soft, bouncy, squishy keyboards. 
>> Also, I keep my eye on screen resolution, particularly on the least 
>> expensive machines. They might have what appears to be a nice 14" or 15" 
>> display but then the resolution maxes out at 1380x768 or so. They can do so 
>> much better. 1400x900 and up is good. I personally can not stand the glossy 
>> reflective displays which so many of the machines have these days 
>> (including, alas, Apple).
>> 
>> My last three Linux machine purchases have all been used Lenovo Thinkpad 
>> machines and I've been absolutely delighted with them. It's clear Lenovo 
>> (formerly IBM) is very much focused on durability, particularly on their 
>> business class machines. And the keyboards are excellent.
>> 
>> They all run Linux just fine for me and appear to be a popular choice for 
>> Linux users in general.
>> 
>> Lenovo has an outlet store with some good deals:
>> 
>> http://outlet.lenovo.com/
>> 
>> I've gotten all three of mine from Craigslist and they've all been fine 
>> performers. I bought a new battery for one and I've been upgrading RAM and 
>> installing SSD drives periodically to give them a little extra bump.
>> 
>> e.g., This machine here looks very nice. Good screen resolution at 
>> 1680x1050. Add more RAM perhaps and maybe an SSD or a larger HDD to replace 
>> the 160GB that's in there and you're set. (Although this machine might be a 
>> bit heavy for a student's backpack.)
>> 
>> http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/sys/4000943841.html
>> 
>> I'm fond of the T series and X series machines. I own an X200 and a T420s. 
>> Both these machines are light and portable while offering ample performance 
>> and features for my needs. The T43 I own is a bit heavier and very old and 
>> past it's prime. It still runs perfectly however and I use it regularly for 
>> light duty stuff.
>> 
>> whj
>> 
>> On 08/22/2013 11:14 AM, Mike Miller wrote:
>>> Now is the Back To School season, so maybe it is a bad time to buy.  Is
>>> it better after maybe September 15?  Do we often see sales?
>>> 
>>> I've noticed that when Costco has a good deal, it's a really good deal.
>>> So are any of these good machines?  I'm really interested in the cheaper
>>> ones.  I didn't really like the HP Pavilion I bought last year -- very
>>> weak WiFi, I thought.
>>> 
>>> http://tinyurl.com/l7ywqhx  [costco.com]
>>> 
>>> Are some brands especially good for Linux and some not so good?
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> 
>

From whjwhj at gmail.com  Mon Aug 26 11:20:53 2013
From: whjwhj at gmail.com (whjwhj)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 11:20:53 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] buying a laptop -- when is the best time? ;
 what's a good choice?
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Wow that's some aggressive pricing! What a deal.

I'm not very familiar with the G series machines. I've stuck with the T 
and X series which appear to be more directly descended from the 
legendary IBM product lines which Lenovo bought back in 2005. I like 
those high resolution matte displays. Not at all sure but I think the G 
series is likely more of a regular Chinese "Lenovo" machine. Less IBM, 
more Lenovo.

$286 for a brand new laptop seems like a heck of a bargain though. 500gb 
and a big 15.6 inch display. Hope it serves him well.

Lenovo must be doing something right as they're pretty much the only PC 
manufacturer outside of Apple that's actually growing their market share.

whj

On 08/26/2013 10:59 AM, Mike Miller wrote:
> I was visiting my son in Madison yesterday when we happened to see a
> Lenovo G505 for $286 at Best Buy.  It was the floor model, but we bought
> it.  It seems to fit the bill: 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD, HDMI, USB 3.0.,
> DVD?RW but no Bluetooth.  It comes with Windows 8 and I guess it can run
> Linux really well.
>
> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/15.6%22+Laptop+-+4GB+Memory+-+500GB+Hard+Drive/9130065.p
>
>
> Thanks for recommending Lenovo.  Now I just hope the battery is still
> really good.  It looked like it was in perfect condition.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Fri, 23 Aug 2013, Mike Miller wrote:
>
>> Thanks for this advice.  I mostly don't like the machines at Costco,
>> either. But two years ago I bought a little Acer laptop for my
>> daughter, then four years old, with 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD and very long
>> battery life for only $250. She has been using it all the time since
>> then.  It still works great.  I bought three Seagate 3TB external USB3
>> drives at Costco last year for $100 each.  When they have a good deal,
>> it's hard to beat.
>>
>> The thing that concerns me with buying used laptops is that the
>> batteries often don't work well, so then I need a battery and they are
>> expensive. We'd like to get a machine that has HDMI out, but the
>> Lenovo T500 seems to have some other kind of HD output that needs an
>> adaptor to get HDMI, but it doesn't carry the audio.  I'll still be
>> considering the T500, so thanks!
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2013, whjwhj wrote:
>>
>>> I've played around with the machines I've seen at Costco and many of
>>> them seem cheap. Particularly the keyboards. Soft, bouncy, squishy
>>> keyboards. Also, I keep my eye on screen resolution, particularly on
>>> the least expensive machines. They might have what appears to be a
>>> nice 14" or 15" display but then the resolution maxes out at 1380x768
>>> or so. They can do so much better. 1400x900 and up is good. I
>>> personally can not stand the glossy reflective displays which so many
>>> of the machines have these days (including, alas, Apple).
>>>
>>> My last three Linux machine purchases have all been used Lenovo
>>> Thinkpad machines and I've been absolutely delighted with them. It's
>>> clear Lenovo (formerly IBM) is very much focused on durability,
>>> particularly on their business class machines. And the keyboards are
>>> excellent.
>>>
>>> They all run Linux just fine for me and appear to be a popular choice
>>> for Linux users in general.
>>>
>>> Lenovo has an outlet store with some good deals:
>>>
>>> http://outlet.lenovo.com/
>>>
>>> I've gotten all three of mine from Craigslist and they've all been
>>> fine performers. I bought a new battery for one and I've been
>>> upgrading RAM and installing SSD drives periodically to give them a
>>> little extra bump.
>>>
>>> e.g., This machine here looks very nice. Good screen resolution at
>>> 1680x1050. Add more RAM perhaps and maybe an SSD or a larger HDD to
>>> replace the 160GB that's in there and you're set. (Although this
>>> machine might be a bit heavy for a student's backpack.)
>>>
>>> http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/sys/4000943841.html
>>>
>>> I'm fond of the T series and X series machines. I own an X200 and a
>>> T420s. Both these machines are light and portable while offering
>>> ample performance and features for my needs. The T43 I own is a bit
>>> heavier and very old and past it's prime. It still runs perfectly
>>> however and I use it regularly for light duty stuff.
>>>
>>> whj
>>>
>>> On 08/22/2013 11:14 AM, Mike Miller wrote:
>>>> Now is the Back To School season, so maybe it is a bad time to buy.  Is
>>>> it better after maybe September 15?  Do we often see sales?
>>>>
>>>> I've noticed that when Costco has a good deal, it's a really good deal.
>>>> So are any of these good machines?  I'm really interested in the
>>>> cheaper
>>>> ones.  I didn't really like the HP Pavilion I bought last year -- very
>>>> weak WiFi, I thought.
>>>>
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/l7ywqhx  [costco.com]
>>>>
>>>> Are some brands especially good for Linux and some not so good?
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Mon Aug 26 12:01:35 2013
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 12:01:35 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] buying a laptop -- when is the best time? ;
 what's a good choice?
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Yes, I think everything you said was correct.  I have no idea if it is 
going to work out, but it was there and it seemed like to fit the bill. 
The usual Best Buy price for a new G505 is about $330, so it wasn't as 
good of a deal as I would have liked.  The battery will be a bit worn from 
use on the floor.  After tax I paid $302.77.  I also think that Best Buy 
just finished a sale on 8/22 where it was going for only $300.  I do think 
all of those prices are pretty good, though.

Mike


On Mon, 26 Aug 2013, whjwhj wrote:

> Wow that's some aggressive pricing! What a deal.
>
> I'm not very familiar with the G series machines. I've stuck with the T 
> and X series which appear to be more directly descended from the 
> legendary IBM product lines which Lenovo bought back in 2005. I like 
> those high resolution matte displays. Not at all sure but I think the G 
> series is likely more of a regular Chinese "Lenovo" machine. Less IBM, 
> more Lenovo.
>
> $286 for a brand new laptop seems like a heck of a bargain though. 500gb 
> and a big 15.6 inch display. Hope it serves him well.
>
> Lenovo must be doing something right as they're pretty much the only PC 
> manufacturer outside of Apple that's actually growing their market 
> share.
>
> whj
>
> On 08/26/2013 10:59 AM, Mike Miller wrote:
>> I was visiting my son in Madison yesterday when we happened to see a
>> Lenovo G505 for $286 at Best Buy.  It was the floor model, but we bought
>> it.  It seems to fit the bill: 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD, HDMI, USB 3.0.,
>> DVD?RW but no Bluetooth.  It comes with Windows 8 and I guess it can run
>> Linux really well.
>> 
>> http://www.bestbuy.com/site/15.6%22+Laptop+-+4GB+Memory+-+500GB+Hard+Drive/9130065.p
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for recommending Lenovo.  Now I just hope the battery is still
>> really good.  It looked like it was in perfect condition.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, 23 Aug 2013, Mike Miller wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for this advice.  I mostly don't like the machines at Costco,
>>> either. But two years ago I bought a little Acer laptop for my
>>> daughter, then four years old, with 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD and very long
>>> battery life for only $250. She has been using it all the time since
>>> then.  It still works great.  I bought three Seagate 3TB external USB3
>>> drives at Costco last year for $100 each.  When they have a good deal,
>>> it's hard to beat.
>>> 
>>> The thing that concerns me with buying used laptops is that the
>>> batteries often don't work well, so then I need a battery and they are
>>> expensive. We'd like to get a machine that has HDMI out, but the
>>> Lenovo T500 seems to have some other kind of HD output that needs an
>>> adaptor to get HDMI, but it doesn't carry the audio.  I'll still be
>>> considering the T500, so thanks!
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2013, whjwhj wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I've played around with the machines I've seen at Costco and many of
>>>> them seem cheap. Particularly the keyboards. Soft, bouncy, squishy
>>>> keyboards. Also, I keep my eye on screen resolution, particularly on
>>>> the least expensive machines. They might have what appears to be a
>>>> nice 14" or 15" display but then the resolution maxes out at 1380x768
>>>> or so. They can do so much better. 1400x900 and up is good. I
>>>> personally can not stand the glossy reflective displays which so many
>>>> of the machines have these days (including, alas, Apple).
>>>> 
>>>> My last three Linux machine purchases have all been used Lenovo
>>>> Thinkpad machines and I've been absolutely delighted with them. It's
>>>> clear Lenovo (formerly IBM) is very much focused on durability,
>>>> particularly on their business class machines. And the keyboards are
>>>> excellent.
>>>> 
>>>> They all run Linux just fine for me and appear to be a popular choice
>>>> for Linux users in general.
>>>> 
>>>> Lenovo has an outlet store with some good deals:
>>>> 
>>>> http://outlet.lenovo.com/
>>>> 
>>>> I've gotten all three of mine from Craigslist and they've all been
>>>> fine performers. I bought a new battery for one and I've been
>>>> upgrading RAM and installing SSD drives periodically to give them a
>>>> little extra bump.
>>>> 
>>>> e.g., This machine here looks very nice. Good screen resolution at
>>>> 1680x1050. Add more RAM perhaps and maybe an SSD or a larger HDD to
>>>> replace the 160GB that's in there and you're set. (Although this
>>>> machine might be a bit heavy for a student's backpack.)
>>>> 
>>>> http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ram/sys/4000943841.html
>>>> 
>>>> I'm fond of the T series and X series machines. I own an X200 and a
>>>> T420s. Both these machines are light and portable while offering
>>>> ample performance and features for my needs. The T43 I own is a bit
>>>> heavier and very old and past it's prime. It still runs perfectly
>>>> however and I use it regularly for light duty stuff.
>>>> 
>>>> whj
>>>> 
>>>> On 08/22/2013 11:14 AM, Mike Miller wrote:
>>>>> Now is the Back To School season, so maybe it is a bad time to buy.  Is
>>>>> it better after maybe September 15?  Do we often see sales?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've noticed that when Costco has a good deal, it's a really good deal.
>>>>> So are any of these good machines?  I'm really interested in the
>>>>> cheaper
>>>>> ones.  I didn't really like the HP Pavilion I bought last year -- very
>>>>> weak WiFi, I thought.
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/l7ywqhx  [costco.com]
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are some brands especially good for Linux and some not so good?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From adam at askewview.net  Mon Aug 26 20:41:13 2013
From: adam at askewview.net (Adam Barthelemy)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 18:41:13 -0700
Subject: [tclug-list] Experience with VMware ESXi and UPS devices?
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Ryan,

It looks like VMware has a KB for installing the powerchute software 
inside ESXi.

http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1007036

--Adam

On 8/25/2013 10:22 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> So we lost power twice tonight? in the middle of the reboot process of my VMs we lost power again. I do not have the server on the UPS at this time (for reasons that escape me) but I was wondering if there's a way to tie a UPS in to shutdown the VMs and leave the core running until the battery hits a certain point - via the host and not the guests.
>
> I know I can tie in the guests to the APC and have them shut down but I would like to manage it on the ESXi side.
>
> Just an idea I'm playing with.
>
> Thanks!
> _______________________________________________
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>