From tclug at mikerochford.com Tue Jul 2 21:53:02 2013 From: tclug at mikerochford.com (Mike Rochford) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 21:53:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Media Convertor Message-ID: Anyone interested in some media convertors? FX to 100baseT. Also have 100ft of fiber. Might be more. http://mikerochford.com/camera/pictures/s/20130702-1.jpg -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erikerik at gmail.com Wed Jul 3 10:34:10 2013 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 10:34:10 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Media Convertor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mike - I have a co-worker that's interested if this is still available. Were you wanting any $$ for it? -Erik On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 9:53 PM, Mike Rochford wrote: > Anyone interested in some media convertors? FX to 100baseT. Also have > 100ft of fiber. Might be more. > > http://mikerochford.com/camera/pictures/s/20130702-1.jpg > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Jul 3 13:26:32 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 13:26:32 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Media Convertor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: SC? LC? Just asking to save others some time. :) On Jul 2, 2013, at 9:53 PM, Mike Rochford wrote: > Anyone interested in some media convertors? FX to 100baseT. Also have 100ft of fiber. Might be more. > > http://mikerochford.com/camera/pictures/s/20130702-1.jpg > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jus at krytosvirus.com Wed Jul 3 20:01:42 2013 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 20:01:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Media Convertor Message-ID: From the picture looks to be all SC connectors. And the fiber looks like multi mode, not sure what OM level, guessing it's OM1 though.? -------- Original message -------- From: Ryan Coleman Date: To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Media Convertor SC? LC?? Just asking to save others some time. :) On Jul 2, 2013, at 9:53 PM, Mike Rochford wrote: Anyone interested in some media convertors? FX to 100baseT. Also have 100ft of fiber. Might be more.? http://mikerochford.com/camera/pictures/s/20130702-1.jpg _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Jul 3 23:38:01 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 23:38:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Media Convertor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I missed that somehow... the image in there... oops. I might be interested in the fiber - but I couldn't do that til next week, Mike. On Jul 3, 2013, at 8:01 PM, Justin Krejci wrote: > From the picture looks to be all SC connectors. And the fiber looks like multi mode, not sure what OM level, guessing it's OM1 though. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Ryan Coleman > Date: > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Media Convertor > > > SC? LC? > > Just asking to save others some time. :) > > On Jul 2, 2013, at 9:53 PM, Mike Rochford wrote: > >> Anyone interested in some media convertors? FX to 100baseT. Also have 100ft of fiber. Might be more. >> >> http://mikerochford.com/camera/pictures/s/20130702-1.jpg >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu Jul 4 09:34:26 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 09:34:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] NY Times - David Pogue: Software as a Monthly Rental Message-ID: See the article below. According to Pogue: "the dawn of Software as a Subscription is now upon us." Maybe this is a new thing in some circles, but we've been paying annual fees for software for decades in academia. Think of SAS, MATLAB, Mathematica -- they've been doing this forever, and I'm sure they aren't alone. Can't most of us do just fine with the free-software alternatives? I sure can. I have done big projects in R and Octave -- I have no need for SAS or MATLAB. R is really taking over and replacing SAS in academia. I use Libre Office instead of Microsoft Office. I use GIMP and Image Magick instead of Photoshop. I actually got much better results by moving some photo resizing work from Photoshop macros to an ImageMagick "convert" command in a bash script -- it was faster, easier, and the result looks better. The improved result is proably because it is so easy to change command-line arguments to adjust sharpness, for example, but working with macros is a huge hassle. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/04/technology/personaltech/photoshop-cc-turns-software-into-a-monthly-rental.html N.Y. Times July 3, 2013 Software as a Monthly Rental By DAVID POGUE There's a new reason for Photoshop to be famous. Yes, it's still the program that just about every photographer and designer on earth uses to retouch or even reimagine photos. It's still the only program whose name is a verb. But now, Photoshop is also the biggest-name software that you can't actually buy. You can only rent it, for a month or a year at a time. If you ever stop paying, you keep your files but lose the ability to edit them. You have to pay $30 a month, or $240 a year, for the privilege of using the latest Photoshop version, called Photoshop CC. Or, if you want to use the full Adobe suite (Illustrator, InDesign, Premiere and so on), you'll pay $600 a year. The price list is stunningly complex. The fees may be higher or lower depending on how many programs you rent, whether you already own an existing version and which one, whether you commit to a full year or prefer to rent one month at a time. There are also discounted first-year teaser rates, student/teacher rates and a 30-day free trial. But you get the point: the dawn of Software as a Subscription is now upon us. Microsoft is conducting a similar experiment with the latest version of Office. An Office 365 subscription is $100 a year. But there's a big difference: renting Office is optional. You can still buy it outright if you prefer. It should be obvious why Adobe is enthusiastic about rental software. First, it's big money. Not everybody will pay more than before under the new plan. If you use three or more Adobe programs and you upgrade to the latest versions every year, you'll save money by renting. But if you use only one or two programs, you'll pay much more by renting " especially if you were in the habit of upgrading only every other year, for example. Here's the math: Photoshop CC alone will cost $240 a year. In the old days, buying the annual upgrade cost $200, and you didn't have to upgrade every year. In three years, you might have spent $200 or $400; now you'll pay $720. And Adobe could raise the rental prices at any time. Every year, if it chooses. Adobe also benefits because a rental plan helps it cut down on software piracy. Despite its name (CC stands for Creative Cloud), the new software versions are not, in fact, stored online. You still download Photoshop, Illustrator and the other programs and run them from your computer. But the downloaded software checks in with the mother ship every 30 days, over the Internet, to make sure the subscription is up to date. If not, you're locked out. Finally, Adobe benefits because it's no longer committed to a difficult, relentless annual release cycle. There will no longer be a big new version of each Adobe program each year. Instead, Adobe says that it will regularly slip in new features as soon as they're ready. The company hasn't decided whether it will ever use numbers again (Photoshop CS4, CS5, CS6), but for now, the name is simply Photoshop CC. So far, the switch to a rental-only plan may sound like a rotten deal for many creative people, especially small operators on a budget. And, indeed, many of them are horrified by the switch. A touching but entirely hopeless petition (j.mp/1aynMtK) has 35,000 signatures so far. ("We want you to restart development for Adobe Creative Suite 7 and all future Creative Suites," it says. "Do it for the freelancers. For the small businesses. For the average consumer.") Adobe, however, points out that rental customers gain vast advantages over the old "you buy it" system. The big one, of course, is that perpetual refinement principle. You'll always be up to date with software that's constantly improving. Adobe also points out that subscribing to Photoshop gets you more than just the right to download the software. The subscription comes with access to Behance, an online portfolio where you can display your Adobe-created documents and read admiring comments from fellow creative types. You also get 20 gigabytes of online storage for files, Dropbox style, so you can work on them wherever you happen to be. Another perk: As before, you can use your rented programs simultaneously on two computers -- but now, one can be a Mac and one can be a Windows machine. Finally, what you get by subscribing is a whole new version of Photoshop (and whatever other programs you use). And there's no doubt about it: Adobe is introducing CC with a powerful, well-designed, polished suite. Photoshop looks lovely. It's still staggeringly complicated, but it's about as well designed as any program with well over 500 menu commands can be. It requires a high-horsepower, newish computer (Mac OS X 10.7 or Windows 7 and later), but it opens faster than before. The most talked-about new feature is Shake Reduction, which is intended to fix photos that were blurry because the camera moved slightly during the exposure. Shake Reduction can't help pictures that are blurry because the subject was moving. And even in camera-shake pictures, it doesn't always work well, or at all. But every now and then, it performs real magic. Photoshop is now even more impressive when it comes to resizing an image. It's much easier to shrink one -- and amazingly good at enlarging, or "uprezzing" one. In essence, it creates pixels where none existed, turning (for example) a 2-megapixel photo into a 4-megapixel one, without degrading the image as much as you'd expect. Other improvements are liberally sprinkled throughout. Sharpening an image works better, and so does the Liquify command (which lets you manipulate a photo as if it were printed on taffy). Features for editing 3-D models are now built right into the standard Photoshop version. You can save text styles so that they're reusable across documents. Photographers will love the fact that Camera Raw, the separate module that processes RAW files (huge, unprocessed photo files from a high-end camera), can now behave like a filter -- you can apply any of its adjustments at any time, not just when you open the files. In other words, the software improvements are welcome. The new pricing may not be. Because Microsoft's rental program is optional -- you can still buy -- the company has a steady incentive to sweeten the rental deal. And since it introduced Office 365 in March, Microsoft has added new goodies, features and software bits to its rental offering. But Adobe isn't offering the rental plan -- it's dictating it. The 800-pound gorilla of the creative world has become the 1,600-pound gorilla. There are alternatives to Photoshop, of course. They include ACDSee, PaintShop Pro, Pixelmator and Adobe's own easier-to-use but less powerful Photoshop Elements. (Elements and Lightroom remain buyable, by the way.) But let's face it: most professionals think they need Photoshop. So Adobe's incentive to keep improving these programs isn't exactly life or death. Nobody knows what improvements Adobe plans to add, how many, how often, or what the subscription rates will be next year or the year after that. Adobe is just saying, "Trust us." Whether you do or not, there's no denying that the big picture has changed. From now on, you won't just cut monthly checks for your mortgage, your electric bill and your cable TV. Now, you'll be cutting one more " for your software. E-mail: pogue at nytimes.com From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Sat Jul 6 13:48:13 2013 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 13:48:13 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] NY Times - David Pogue: Software as a Monthly Rental Message-ID: Mike Miller: > See the article below. According to Pogue: "the dawn of Software as a > Subscription is now upon us." It looks to me like Adobe is asking too much for their services. But I agree with their decision to put things on line. I didn't vote for George W. Bush, but thought his repeated encouragement to put things on line made sense. The economy would be even worse if it weren't for that. -- Brian Wood Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust. http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sat Jul 6 23:40:16 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 23:40:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] NY Times - David Pogue: Software as a Monthly Rental In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's the follow-up to Poruges previous post on Photoshop. --Mike -- http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/05/photoshops-new-rental-program-and-the-outrage-factor/ N.Y. Times July 5, 2013 Photoshop's New Rental Program, and the Outrage Factor FDDP The Times's technology columnist, David Pogue, keeps you on top of the industry in his free, weekly e-mail newsletter. Sign up | See Sample My review of Photoshop CC on Thursday -- especially its availability only as a rental, with a monthly or yearly subscription fee -- generated a lot of reader feedback. Some of it was astonishing. Here's a sampling, with my responses. Q. Can you rent for a few months, stop for a couple of months, resume as needed, stop as desired? That could have advantages for non-pros. A. Yes, you can. That's the purpose of the month-to-month rental programs ($30 a month for a single program, like Photoshop). Of course, having the software is much less expensive if you agree to rent for an entire year ($240 a year instead of $360). Q. There is an alternative to Photoshop you didn't mention: GIMP. It has one big advantage: it is free. A. Many readers wondered why I didn't mention the free GIMP program. It does indeed do most of what Photoshop does. I've found it to be even more dense and complex than Photoshop. But since it's free, everyone who's unhappy with Adobe's new rental program for Photoshop should definitely give it a try. Q. Good article but you fail to mention what happens with plug in programs. Many of us find programs like the Nik series to be much better at doing some adjustments than Photoshop. How does CC handle this? A. Exactly the same way. Remember: Photoshop CC is a program that you download to your computer and run from there -- exactly like previous Photoshop versions. Nothing changes in the way it works with plug-ins. Q. Does Adobe actually pay you for mindlessly reprinting their press releases and calling it "news"? An actual journalist would have at least mentioned that huge numbers of Photoshop users are FURIOUS about this sleazy move by Adobe and are refusing to go along with it. More than 35,000 people have signed a Change.org petition to demand the restoration of the perpetual license. Lots of people are going to be seriously hurt by your journalistic malpractice. A. I was stunned by the number of readers who came away from my column thinking that I am a fan of Adobe's new rental-only program. In fact, I thought that I had written a 1,300-word condemnation of this practice. "You have to pay $30 a month, or $240 a year, for the privilege of using the latest Photoshop version," I wrote. "Adobe isn't offering the rental plan -- it's dictating it. The 800-pound gorilla of the creative world has become the 1,600-pound gorilla." I then listed alternatives to Photoshop, and concluded: "Nobody knows what improvements Adobe plans to add, how many, how often, or what the subscription rates will be next year or the year after that. Adobe is just saying, `Trust us.'" As for the Change.org petition with 35,000 signatures: Somehow my readers managed to miss this paragraph in my column: "The switch to a rental-only plan may sound like a rotten deal for many creative people, especially small operators on a budget. And, indeed, many of them are horrified by the switcheroo. A touching but entirely hopeless petition (http://j.mp/1aynMtK) has 35,000 signatures so far. (`We want you to restart development for Adobe Creative Suite 7 and all future Creative Suites,' it says. `Do it for the freelancers. For the small businesses. For the average consumer.')" It's possible that what angered these readers so much is my reference to the petition as "touching but entirely hopeless." This is not a put-down of the petition. This is a simple acknowledgment that companies like Adobe have already factored in the anger. Remember when Netflix raised the price of its most popular DVD rental/streaming-movie price by 60 percent? A million people canceled their Netflix subscriptions. An employee told me at the time that, incredibly, Netflix's spreadsheets showed that the company would still come out ahead, even with the mass defections. Netflix had already factored the anger into its business plan. And that's exactly what Adobe's spreadsheets show. Even if the predicted number of angry customers abandon Photoshop, the total annual revenue for Photoshop will increase as a result of the rental-only program. That's why the petition is utterly hopeless. Adobe won't change its course, because Adobe doesn't care about those people. It already considers them a lost cause. It's very clearly a case where customer happiness is being sacrificed for more profit. And that's the most upsetting part of all. From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sat Jul 6 23:56:38 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 23:56:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] NY Times - David Pogue: Software as a Monthly Rental In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Jul 2013, Brian Wood wrote: > Mike Miller: > >> See the article below. According to Pogue: "the dawn of Software as a >> Subscription is now upon us." > > It looks to me like Adobe is asking too much for their services. But I > agree with their decision to put things on line. I didn't vote for > George W. Bush, but thought his repeated encouragement to put things on > line made sense. The economy would be even worse if it weren't for > that. Strange that you managed to work GW Bush into this, but I'll bite: What did Bush do? I was a reasonably cognizant adult during his term and I don't remember being encouraged by him to put anything on line. Mike From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Sun Jul 7 14:53:21 2013 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 14:53:21 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] NY Times - David Pogue: Software as a Monthly Rental Message-ID: > Strange that you managed to work GW Bush into this, but I'll bite: What > did Bush do? I was a reasonably cognizant adult during his term and I > don't remember being encouraged by him to put anything on line. In some speeches he encouraged people to develop on line services. I probably picked up on that because that's what I was working on. I'll defend the on line approach more by saying that I think it's more interesting technically. I prefer working on servers and clients as opposed to other kinds of software. Brian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuporglue at gmail.com Sun Jul 7 15:24:11 2013 From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 15:24:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] NY Times - David Pogue: Software as a Monthly Rental In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I'll defend the on line approach more by saying that I think > it's more interesting technically. I prefer working on servers > and clients as opposed to other kinds of software. > I prefer developing online software too, but Adobe's new licensing isn't actually online software. "Photoshop CC is a program that you download to your computer and run from there -- exactly like previous Photoshop versions. Nothing changes in the way it works with plug-ins." The only part that is online is the licensing manager. If they actually found a way to get native/locally installed performance that photographers expect out of a web app, that would be really interesting technically, but just switching to an online license manager and subscription model...not as much. -- Michael Moore -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Sun Jul 7 18:57:19 2013 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 18:57:19 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] School in southeast England uses Linux Message-ID: <20130707185719.aa69adcebcf6accd38b4a9e8@jasonhsu.com> http://www.kdenews.org/2013/07/04/year-linux-desktop Congratulations to the KDE and openSUSE teams on winning hearts and minds at this particular school! I don't have that much experience with KDE, but it's said that it does the best job of replicating the look and feel of Windows (which removes an obstacle for winning over Windows users). -- Jason Hsu From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Mon Jul 8 02:09:49 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 02:09:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] NY Times - David Pogue: Software as a Monthly Rental In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Jul 2013, Brian Wood wrote: >> Strange that you managed to work GW Bush into this, but I'll bite: >> What did Bush do? I was a reasonably cognizant adult during his term >> and I don't remember being encouraged by him to put anything on line. > > In some speeches he encouraged people to develop on line services. I > probably picked up on that because that's what I was working on. I guess we'll never know when that happened, what he actually said or why he said it. We'll also never know if it had a positive effect on the economy. It's a funny idea, isn't it, that the President can shout out some business models and then the economy improves because of it. "Hey, develop more local landscaping businesses!" > I'll defend the on line approach more by saying that I think it's more > interesting technically. I prefer working on servers and clients as > opposed to other kinds of software. Related to this topic, here's a really amazing person... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaron_Lanier ...whose most recent book just came out... http://www.amazon.com/dp/1451654960/ ...and who was interviewed about it here: http://www.salon.com/2013/05/12/jaron_lanier_the_internet_destroyed_the_middle_class/ Extracted from the book description: "Lanier asserts that the rise of digital networks led our economy into recession and decimated the middle class. Now, as technology flattens more and more industries?from media to medicine to manufacturing?we are facing even greater challenges to employment and personal wealth." One more on Lanier: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2013/06/why-government-should-be-paying-you-for-your-information.html Mike From cncole at earthlink.net Wed Jul 10 17:37:04 2013 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 17:37:04 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: DVD cleaning? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have some DVDs that play OK or well on a "dumb" DVD player, but "error out" on my laptop. Is there a way to clean or fix this? I've tried various simple cleaning methods with success for smudges, but not this. Have never tried a commercial "disk repair" kit. Does some of Tom Sawyer's spunkwater do the trick? :-) Chuck From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Tue Jul 23 11:33:00 2013 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 11:33:00 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A $99 Linux supercomputer has been built, will ship this summer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <51EEB03C.7010507@gmail.com> On 6/7/2013 11:06 PM, Mike Miller wrote:: > What do you think of this?... > > > http://www.geek.com/chips/a-99-linux-supercomputer-has-been-built-will-ship-this-summer-1552343/ These are available for ordering now. http://adapteva.myshopify.com/ I just ordered 2. From joel.longanecker at gmail.com Tue Jul 23 11:34:46 2013 From: joel.longanecker at gmail.com (Joel Longanecker) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 11:34:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A $99 Linux supercomputer has been built, will ship this summer In-Reply-To: <51EEB03C.7010507@gmail.com> References: <51EEB03C.7010507@gmail.com> Message-ID: If I had any super computing to do I would probably pick one up. On Jul 23, 2013 11:33 AM, "B-o-B De Mars" wrote: > On 6/7/2013 11:06 PM, Mike Miller wrote:: > >> What do you think of this?... >> >> >> http://www.geek.com/chips/a-**99-linux-supercomputer-has-** >> been-built-will-ship-this-**summer-1552343/ >> > > These are available for ordering now. > > http://adapteva.myshopify.com/ > > I just ordered 2. > > ______________________________**_________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From max at bernsteinforpresident.com Tue Jul 23 11:55:46 2013 From: max at bernsteinforpresident.com (Max Shinn) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:55:46 +0200 Subject: [tclug-list] A $99 Linux supercomputer has been built, will ship this summer In-Reply-To: References: <51EEB03C.7010507@gmail.com> Message-ID: Would someone be willing to explain this to a noob please? If I understand correctly, it has two processors: a dual core ARM, and a 16 core with some other architecture. So /proc/cpuinfo shows 18 cpus, and hence 18 independent single-thread processes can each run on their own core? Their forums suggest they don't have OpenMP support yet too, but shouldn't OpenMP be able to support this kind of setup by default? I'm just curious because I have developed a need for parallel computing with an OpenMP codebase. On 7/23/13, Joel Longanecker wrote: > If I had any super computing to do I would probably pick one up. > On Jul 23, 2013 11:33 AM, "B-o-B De Mars" wrote: > >> On 6/7/2013 11:06 PM, Mike Miller wrote:: >> >>> What do you think of this?... >>> >>> >>> http://www.geek.com/chips/a-**99-linux-supercomputer-has-** >>> been-built-will-ship-this-**summer-1552343/ >>> >> >> These are available for ordering now. >> >> http://adapteva.myshopify.com/ >> >> I just ordered 2. >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > -- Max Shinn max at BernsteinForPresident.com www.MaxShinnPotential.com From ryanjcole at me.com Tue Jul 23 12:08:54 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 12:08:54 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A $99 Linux supercomputer has been built, will ship this summer In-Reply-To: References: <51EEB03C.7010507@gmail.com> Message-ID: I think the only thing "super" about this is the marketing ploy getting people to buy them. :) On Jul 23, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Joel Longanecker wrote: > If I had any super computing to do I would probably pick one up. > > On Jul 23, 2013 11:33 AM, "B-o-B De Mars" wrote: > On 6/7/2013 11:06 PM, Mike Miller wrote:: > What do you think of this?... > > > http://www.geek.com/chips/a-99-linux-supercomputer-has-been-built-will-ship-this-summer-1552343/ > > These are available for ordering now. > > http://adapteva.myshopify.com/ > > I just ordered 2. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <51EEBB44.3070708@gmail.com> On 7/23/2013 12:08 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote:: > I think the only thing "super" about this is the marketing ploy getting > people to buy them. :) > This could be true, but my job is paying for these, so..... From ryanjcole at me.com Tue Jul 23 12:28:03 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 12:28:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A $99 Linux supercomputer has been built, will ship this summer In-Reply-To: <51EEBB44.3070708@gmail.com> References: <51EEB03C.7010507@gmail.com>

<51EEBB44.3070708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <244EE495-59F1-446E-ABDA-A474CF5A2FDB@me.com> Fair enough. On Jul 23, 2013, at 12:20 PM, B-o-B De Mars wrote: > On 7/23/2013 12:08 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote:: >> I think the only thing "super" about this is the marketing ploy getting >> people to buy them. :) >> > > This could be true, but my job is paying for these, so..... > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Tue Jul 23 14:07:38 2013 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:07:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A $99 Linux supercomputer has been built, will ship this summer In-Reply-To: References: <51EEB03C.7010507@gmail.com>

Message-ID: <20130723190738.GH30139@signbit.net> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 06:55:46PM +0200, Max Shinn wrote: > Would someone be willing to explain this to a noob please? If I > understand correctly, it has two processors: a dual core ARM, and a 16 > core with some other architecture. So /proc/cpuinfo shows 18 cpus, > and hence 18 independent single-thread processes can each run on their > own core? Most likely since the two processors are independent and with different architectures, /proc/cpuinfo will only report the two ARM cores. > Their forums suggest they don't have OpenMP support yet > too, but shouldn't OpenMP be able to support this kind of setup by > default? I'm just curious because I have developed a need for > parallel computing with an OpenMP codebase. OpenMP works on symmetric multi-processing systems. I don't see any programming documentation for this but if it is like other systems I've seen in the past, there will be some memory shared across a bus between the two processors. Some kind of supervisor will run on the 16-core coprocessor, waiting for instructions from the main application processor. Think about two applications on a normal OS, communicating via a shared memory segment - you can have data arrays, locks, queues of processing instructions, etc. Without a good library, there will be a lot of housekeeping to do to keep the 16 cores busy. Cheers, florin -- Sent from my last battery. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Wed Jul 24 03:39:08 2013 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 03:39:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Home Media @Penguins Unbound July 17th Message-ID: <51EF92AC.4000301@Goecke-Dolan.com> The July PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be Saturday July 27th at TIES, 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 from 10:00am to 12:00pm (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more info.) This month at the Penguins Unbound Meeting Brian Dolan-Goecke will talk about Home Media! Tools and applications you can use to manage and watch content at home over your TV! Some topics I will cover Build a MythTV Server Add additional Script Configure MiniDLNA server And the view the content over the network Vortex Box Hope to see you there. ==>brian. *** STREAMING *** If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting. mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 You should be able to connect with either: mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 or vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu Jul 25 10:16:25 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 10:16:25 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Edge Message-ID: I guess we saw this coming long ago: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge The much-maligned Unity interface was designed to work on both PCs and smart phones. Their handheld device has 4 GB RAM and 128 GB storage. Mike From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu Jul 25 10:35:41 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 10:35:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] A $99 Linux supercomputer has been built, will ship this summer In-Reply-To: References: <51EEB03C.7010507@gmail.com>

Message-ID: On Tue, 23 Jul 2013, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I think the only thing "super" about this is the marketing ploy getting > people to buy them. :) I thought the superness derived from the idea that one could put many together, fairly inexpensively, and get a lot of cores for low cost: http://adapteva.myshopify.com/collections/parallella/products/parallella-cluster-kit If you run a real supercomputer, you will pay a *lot* for power, but this little bugger can't be using all that much. For my work I have been using real supercomputers and need a few gigs of RAM per core, but I could probably figure out ways to get the work done by writing my own C programs to process the data with much less RAM per core. If I were doing that, I can see how this little thing might work for me. Mike From ryanjcole at me.com Thu Jul 25 10:37:41 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 10:37:41 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A $99 Linux supercomputer has been built, will ship this summer In-Reply-To: References: <51EEB03C.7010507@gmail.com>

Message-ID: <8B65E403-B006-477D-8A01-EFFDB5AFE54F@me.com> I was almost joking and you have a point. +1 Mike On Jul 25, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Mike Miller wrote: > On Tue, 23 Jul 2013, Ryan Coleman wrote: > >> I think the only thing "super" about this is the marketing ploy getting people to buy them. :) > > > I thought the superness derived from the idea that one could put many together, fairly inexpensively, and get a lot of cores for low cost: > > http://adapteva.myshopify.com/collections/parallella/products/parallella-cluster-kit > > If you run a real supercomputer, you will pay a *lot* for power, but this little bugger can't be using all that much. > > For my work I have been using real supercomputers and need a few gigs of RAM per core, but I could probably figure out ways to get the work done by writing my own C programs to process the data with much less RAM per core. If I were doing that, I can see how this little thing might work for me. > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From florin at iucha.net Thu Jul 25 11:29:54 2013 From: florin at iucha.net (Florin Iucha) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 11:29:54 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A $99 Linux supercomputer has been built, will ship this summer In-Reply-To: References: <51EEB03C.7010507@gmail.com>

Message-ID: <20130725162954.GP30139@signbit.net> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:35:41AM -0500, Mike Miller wrote: > On Tue, 23 Jul 2013, Ryan Coleman wrote: > >I think the only thing "super" about this is the marketing ploy > >getting people to buy them. :) > > I thought the superness derived from the idea that one could put > many together, fairly inexpensively, and get a lot of cores for low > cost: Yes, with the money you would spend on an ox, you can get 1000 ant colonies, with a combined towing capacity of 5 oxen! > If you run a real supercomputer, you will pay a *lot* for power, but > this little bugger can't be using all that much. Power in = useful work + waste > For my work I have been using real supercomputers and need a few > gigs of RAM per core, but I could probably figure out ways to get > the work done by writing my own C programs to process the data with > much less RAM per core. If I were doing that, I can see how this > little thing might work for me. Let us know what you find, I am genuinely curious! Cheers, florin -- Sent from my last battery. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From tclug at beitsahour.net Thu Jul 25 11:42:13 2013 From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 11:42:13 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A $99 Linux supercomputer has been built, will ship this summer In-Reply-To: References: <51EEB03C.7010507@gmail.com>

Message-ID: There is a lot more to supercomputers than just core count, but that is an easy mistake to make and even people in supercomputing are prone to making that mistake. Yes it takes many cores(and not all cores are created equal, a 2 core Intel Atom running at 1.5GHz is easily beat by a Intel Core 2 Duo running at 1.5GHz) but you also need storage, interconnect and RAM. You need the bandwidth to connect the cores to the RAM and to the storage. RAM is obvious I think. Storage on the other hand many people forget about but it is just as important, remember that you will need to feed your processors the data to work on and it will most likely come from storage. And it will go back to storage post-processing so your storage will need to be fast enough to stream it back on while at the same time reading the work to be done still! On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Mike Miller wrote: > On Tue, 23 Jul 2013, Ryan Coleman wrote: > >> I think the only thing "super" about this is the marketing ploy getting >> people to buy them. :) > > > > I thought the superness derived from the idea that one could put many > together, fairly inexpensively, and get a lot of cores for low cost: > > http://adapteva.myshopify.com/collections/parallella/products/parallella-cluster-kit > > If you run a real supercomputer, you will pay a *lot* for power, but this > little bugger can't be using all that much. > > For my work I have been using real supercomputers and need a few gigs of RAM > per core, but I could probably figure out ways to get the work done by > writing my own C programs to process the data with much less RAM per core. > If I were doing that, I can see how this little thing might work for me. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Fri Jul 26 01:10:41 2013 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 01:10:41 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] * Saturday * Home Media @Penguins Unbound July 17th Message-ID: <51F212E1.9040101@Goecke-Dolan.com> The July PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be Saturday July 27th at TIES, 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 from 10:00am to 12:00pm (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more info.) This month at the Penguins Unbound Meeting Brian Dolan-Goecke will talk about Home Media! Tools and applications you can use to manage and watch content at home over your TV! Some topics I will cover Build a MythTV Server Add additional Script Configure MiniDLNA server And the view the content over the network Vortex Box Hope to see you there. ==>brian. *** STREAMING *** If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting. mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 You should be able to connect with either: mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 or vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri Jul 26 10:30:28 2013 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 10:30:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Flash Message-ID: Ok, does Flash constantly crash for you guys, or is it just me? Just in case it IS just me, I'd like to figure out if it's Ubuntu, Firefox or the multiple monitor thing that's making it crash. From jus at krytosvirus.com Fri Jul 26 10:46:40 2013 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 10:46:40 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Flash Message-ID: Does not crash on me. I use Ubuntu, chrome, and multiple monitors on one system and Ubuntu, chromium, and single monitor on another system. Both run fine.? Usual troubleshooting steps apply: has it always been a problem or recently starting acting up? If it's a recent issue, what's changed?? -------- Original message -------- From: Yaron Date: To: TCLUG Subject: [tclug-list] Flash Ok, does Flash constantly crash for you guys, or is it just me? Just in case it IS just me, I'd like to figure out if it's Ubuntu, Firefox or the multiple monitor thing that's making it crash. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuporglue at gmail.com Fri Jul 26 10:50:44 2013 From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 10:50:44 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Flash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Ok, does Flash constantly crash for you guys, or is it just me? > > Just in case it IS just me, I'd like to figure out if it's Ubuntu, Firefox > or the multiple monitor thing that's making it crash. It was always crashing for me in Firefox (Debian Wheezy) and I eventually just removed it from Firefox completely. It's rock solid in Chrome though. I've never had a freeze with Flash in Chrome. -- Michael Moore From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri Jul 26 10:52:54 2013 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 10:52:54 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Flash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Jul 2013, Justin Krejci wrote: > Usual troubleshooting steps apply: has it always been a problem or recently > starting acting up? If it's a recent issue, what's changed?? Been happening forever, over quite a few different versions of Ubuntu. I've always used Firefox and had this multiple monitor setup for years. I also don't use Gnome or KDE, I'm old-school Windowmaker. From gsker at skerbitz.org Fri Jul 26 10:57:39 2013 From: gsker at skerbitz.org (gsker) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 10:57:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Flash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: OOOPS! On Fri, 26 Jul 2013, gsker wrote: > > > On Fri, 26 Jul 2013, Yaron wrote: > >> Ok, does Flash constantly crash for you guys, or is it just me? >> >> Just in case it IS just me, I'd like to figure out if it's Ubuntu, Firefox >> or the multiple monitor thing that's making it crash. > > Doesn't crash for me on two monitors. Ubuntu 13.04 Firefox 22.0. > > Also want to add this for anyone who hasn't seen it. > Dual monitors have been with both NVIDIA and ATI cards > Idea to try: rm -rf ~/adobe > to get rid of the cache ??? rm -rf ~/.adobe (missed the dot) From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri Jul 26 11:03:19 2013 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 11:03:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Flash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I really wish I could use Chrome... On Fri, 26 Jul 2013, Michael Moore wrote: >> Ok, does Flash constantly crash for you guys, or is it just me? >> >> Just in case it IS just me, I'd like to figure out if it's Ubuntu, Firefox >> or the multiple monitor thing that's making it crash. > > It was always crashing for me in Firefox (Debian Wheezy) and I > eventually just removed it from Firefox completely. > > It's rock solid in Chrome though. I've never had a freeze with Flash in Chrome. > > -- > Michael Moore > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From gsker at skerbitz.org Fri Jul 26 10:55:35 2013 From: gsker at skerbitz.org (gsker) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 10:55:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Flash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Jul 2013, Yaron wrote: > Ok, does Flash constantly crash for you guys, or is it just me? > > Just in case it IS just me, I'd like to figure out if it's Ubuntu, Firefox or > the multiple monitor thing that's making it crash. Doesn't crash for me on two monitors. Ubuntu 13.04 Firefox 22.0. Also want to add this for anyone who hasn't seen it. Dual monitors have been with both NVIDIA and ATI cards Idea to try: rm -rf ~/adobe to get rid of the cache ??? Also! http://christianiversen.dk/2013/07/flash-is-terrible-how-to-fix-fullscreen-flash/ TL;DR; If you want fullscreen flash to stay full screen while you go to a different monitor or a different virtual desktop you can hack the flash library: sed -i -re s/_NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW/XNET_ACTIVE_WINDOW/ \ /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so Gerry From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri Jul 26 11:03:47 2013 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 11:03:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Flash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heh, no worries. However, that did not help - instantly crashed on me again. On Fri, 26 Jul 2013, gsker wrote: > OOOPS! > > On Fri, 26 Jul 2013, gsker wrote: > >> >> >> On Fri, 26 Jul 2013, Yaron wrote: >> >>> Ok, does Flash constantly crash for you guys, or is it just me? >>> >>> Just in case it IS just me, I'd like to figure out if it's Ubuntu, Firefox >>> or the multiple monitor thing that's making it crash. >> >> Doesn't crash for me on two monitors. Ubuntu 13.04 Firefox 22.0. >> >> Also want to add this for anyone who hasn't seen it. >> Dual monitors have been with both NVIDIA and ATI cards >> Idea to try: rm -rf ~/adobe >> to get rid of the cache ??? > > > rm -rf ~/.adobe > > (missed the dot) > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From droidjd at gmail.com Fri Jul 26 14:53:41 2013 From: droidjd at gmail.com (Andrew Dahl) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:53:41 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Flash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I haven't used flash in Firefox in ages, but I will attest to saying that it's definitely rock solid in Chrome. Repositories are here: http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/ Not sure why you said you couldn't use Chrome, but I'm going to guess it's more of a you don't want to versus you can't. :-) -Andrew On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Yaron wrote: > Heh, no worries. However, that did not help - instantly crashed on me > again. > > > On Fri, 26 Jul 2013, gsker wrote: > > OOOPS! >> >> On Fri, 26 Jul 2013, gsker wrote: >> >> >>> >>> On Fri, 26 Jul 2013, Yaron wrote: >>> >>> Ok, does Flash constantly crash for you guys, or is it just me? >>>> >>>> Just in case it IS just me, I'd like to figure out if it's Ubuntu, >>>> Firefox or the multiple monitor thing that's making it crash. >>>> >>> >>> Doesn't crash for me on two monitors. Ubuntu 13.04 Firefox 22.0. >>> >>> Also want to add this for anyone who hasn't seen it. >>> Dual monitors have been with both NVIDIA and ATI cards >>> Idea to try: rm -rf ~/adobe >>> to get rid of the cache ??? >>> >> >> >> rm -rf ~/.adobe >> >> (missed the dot) >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> ______________________________**_________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri Jul 26 14:58:47 2013 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 14:58:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Flash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: True. I won't use Chrome because it won't give me per-session cookie controls. Firefox does. It's a privacy thing; I don't like all-or-nothing and want more control. People have been requesting this feature in Chrome for ages. On Fri, 26 Jul 2013, Andrew Dahl wrote: > I haven't used flash in Firefox in ages, but I will attest to saying that > it's definitely rock solid in Chrome. > > Repositories are here: > http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/ > > Not sure why you said you couldn't use Chrome, but I'm going to guess it's > more of a you don't want to versus you can't. :-) > > -Andrew > > On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Yaron wrote: > Heh, no worries. However, that did not help - instantly crashed > on me again. > > On Fri, 26 Jul 2013, gsker wrote: > > OOOPS! > > On Fri, 26 Jul 2013, gsker wrote: > > > > On Fri, 26 Jul 2013, Yaron wrote: > > Ok, does Flash constantly > crash for you guys, or is it > just me? > > Just in case it IS just me, > I'd like to figure out if > it's Ubuntu, Firefox or the > multiple monitor thing > that's making it crash. > > > Doesn't crash for me on two monitors. > Ubuntu 13.04 Firefox 22.0. > > Also want to add this for anyone who > hasn't seen it. > Dual monitors have been with both NVIDIA > and ATI cards > Idea to try: rm -rf ~/adobe > to get rid of the cache ???? > > > > rm -rf ~/.adobe > > (missed the dot) > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > From jus at krytosvirus.com Sat Jul 27 13:55:33 2013 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 13:55:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ethernet Router available Message-ID: <6e9ccf1a4658f01fbf81a0703a5ea13c@mail.usinternet.com> Asante FR3004 wired-only ethernet router with 4-port switch. In working condition with power cable and any number of ethernet cables. Only cost is you need to come pick it up from east metro or west metro. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jus at krytosvirus.com Sat Jul 27 15:58:41 2013 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 15:58:41 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] TRENDnet 4port KVM switch Message-ID: Model TK-400 Includes all 4 KVM cables.? Free, just need to pick up in east metro or west metro.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Sun Jul 28 12:39:06 2013 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 12:39:06 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] TRENDnet 4port KVM switch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, If it's still available I'd be interested. West metro probably works best; I'm in the south. -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Justin Krejci wrote: > Model TK-400 > Includes all 4 KVM cables. > > Free, just need to pick up in east metro or west metro. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jus at krytosvirus.com Sun Jul 28 14:44:34 2013 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 14:44:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] TRENDnet 4port KVM switch Message-ID: Currently spoken for. Thanks everyone.? -------- Original message -------- From: Justin Krejci Date: To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: [tclug-list] TRENDnet 4port KVM switch Model TK-400 Includes all 4 KVM cables.? 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URL: From kc0iog at gmail.com Sun Jul 28 22:13:15 2013 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 22:13:15 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] TRENDnet 4port KVM switch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Justin Krejci wrote: > Model TK-400 > Includes all 4 KVM cables. Maybe the next model will be a TK-421. We can only hope. Brian From john.meier at gmail.com Mon Jul 29 09:04:34 2013 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 09:04:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] TRENDnet 4port KVM switch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Brian Wall wrote: > On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Justin Krejci > wrote: > > Model TK-400 > > Includes all 4 KVM cables. > > Maybe the next model will be a TK-421. We can only hope. > > I heard that those don't post very well... > Brian > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jus at krytosvirus.com Mon Jul 29 09:23:54 2013 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 09:23:54 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] TRENDnet 4port KVM switch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >>> Model TK-400 >> > Includes all 4 KVM cables. >> >> Maybe the next model will be a TK-421. We can only hope. > > I heard that those don't post very well... Right. I think we wouldn't want a TK-421... we want something that does it's supposed to do and does it well... unless you believe its purpose falls into the red shirt category. But now I am mixing up the space time continuum. At least I have not yet crossed the streams. Keep firing assholes! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cncole at earthlink.net Mon Jul 29 15:05:01 2013 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:05:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Edge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Mike Miller > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:16 AM > To: TCLUG List > Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Edge > > I guess we saw this coming long ago: > > http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge > > The much-maligned Unity interface was designed to work on > both PCs and smart phones. > > Their handheld device has 4 GB RAM and 128 GB storage. > > Mike This has a really stupid battery design like an iPhone: the battery cannot be removed and exchanged with a fully charged spare when out and about. This preserves mobility instead of requiring a 3-6 hour tethered rechaarge period. (batteries take at least 3 times as long to fully recharge as to discharge). I would never accept such a battery design, and told them so. Most Androids I know about permit battery swap. That is VERY convenient and I consider the feature essential. Other features don't matter when the battery is dead. Chuck > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From erikerik at gmail.com Mon Jul 29 15:24:20 2013 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:24:20 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Edge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: > (batteries take at least 3 times as long to fully recharge as to > discharge) > (going OT here, but am genuinely curious) What kind of batteries are you using? At the end of a typical day, my iPhone battery is depleted down to 15% or so. I'm averaging about two hours of browsing/email usage per day and 30 minutes phone usage, and I'm able to get it back to full charge within 45 minutes. I have similar experiences with my Macbook Pro, which I get ~6 hours of battery life out of (as long as I force it to use only the integrated GPU), and am able to get it fully charged within 2 hours. -Erik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.meier at gmail.com Mon Jul 29 15:42:08 2013 From: john.meier at gmail.com (John Meier) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:42:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Edge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Erik Anderson wrote: > On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: > >> (batteries take at least 3 times as long to fully recharge as to >> discharge) >> > > (going OT here, but am genuinely curious) > > What kind of batteries are you using? > > At the end of a typical day, my iPhone battery is depleted down to 15% or > so. I'm averaging about two hours of browsing/email usage per day and 30 > minutes phone usage, and I'm able to get it back to full charge within 45 > minutes. > > I have similar experiences with my Macbook Pro, which I get ~6 hours of > battery life out of (as long as I force it to use only the integrated GPU), > and am able to get it fully charged within 2 hours. > > Same here - I get about the same with my iPhone and MacBook Pro. > -Erik > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blutgens at gmail.com Mon Jul 29 15:51:51 2013 From: blutgens at gmail.com (Ben) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:51:51 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Edge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: i can go a full 24 hours without having to charge my galaxy S4 and it'll charge to 100% from 10-15% in a couple hours. On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:42 PM, John Meier wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Erik Anderson wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: >> >>> (batteries take at least 3 times as long to fully recharge as to >>> discharge) >>> >> >> (going OT here, but am genuinely curious) >> >> What kind of batteries are you using? >> >> At the end of a typical day, my iPhone battery is depleted down to 15% or >> so. I'm averaging about two hours of browsing/email usage per day and 30 >> minutes phone usage, and I'm able to get it back to full charge within 45 >> minutes. >> >> I have similar experiences with my Macbook Pro, which I get ~6 hours of >> battery life out of (as long as I force it to use only the integrated GPU), >> and am able to get it fully charged within 2 hours. >> >> > Same here - I get about the same with my iPhone and MacBook Pro. > >> -Erik >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens Linux / Unix System Administrator Three of your friends throw up after eating chicken salad. 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URL: From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Mon Jul 29 15:55:49 2013 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 15:55:49 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Edge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a Samsung Entro and am able to get roughly 5 days of battery life with normal usage. -Erik On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Ben wrote: > i can go a full 24 hours without having to charge my galaxy S4 and it'll > charge to 100% from 10-15% in a couple hours. > > > On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:42 PM, John Meier wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Erik Anderson wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: >>>> >>>> (batteries take at least 3 times as long to fully recharge as to >>>> discharge) >>> >>> >>> (going OT here, but am genuinely curious) >>> >>> What kind of batteries are you using? >>> >>> At the end of a typical day, my iPhone battery is depleted down to 15% or >>> so. I'm averaging about two hours of browsing/email usage per day and 30 >>> minutes phone usage, and I'm able to get it back to full charge within 45 >>> minutes. >>> >>> I have similar experiences with my Macbook Pro, which I get ~6 hours of >>> battery life out of (as long as I force it to use only the integrated GPU), >>> and am able to get it fully charged within 2 hours. >>> >> >> Same here - I get about the same with my iPhone and MacBook Pro. >>> >>> -Erik >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > > -- > Ben Lutgens > Linux / Unix System Administrator > > Three of your friends throw up after eating chicken salad. Do you think: > "I should find more robust friends" or "we should check that refrigerator"? > -- Donald Becker, on vortex-bug, suspecting a network-wide problem > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell erik.mitchell at gmail.com From erikerik at gmail.com Mon Jul 29 18:04:11 2013 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 18:04:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Edge In-Reply-To: References:

Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > I have a Samsung Entro and am able to get roughly 5 days of battery > life with normal usage. > Yah, but I bet you can't post sweet filtered photos via Instagram with that. ;) P.S. Or Candy Crush -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cncole at earthlink.net Tue Jul 30 01:01:22 2013 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 01:01:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Edge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0204B991692148B5BCFCD91278CE95A7@d830a> That guide is due to the physical chemistry and kinda like a law of physics for all rechargeables. Partial recharge can be had sooner, but the pores of the internal matrix (several different design types) are not fully replenished and repeatedly doing that can shorten the life of the batteries. Cell phones "just waiting" or doing purely local stuff don't deplete the battery much. Talk time is the greedy consumer. Your usage profile sounds like a partial depletion. I would not regard that "15%" as an accurate assessment of the physical chemistry. It's most likely just a terminal emf reading that is at best a wild estimate. Battery engineering is a complex topic.. not simple at all, as manufacturer's tech support info will show. I use good lIon batteries for my call phone and cameras. I can get quicker response (that doesn't last well), so I just swap and leave the discharged battery in the charger's recess overnight. I often use a USB attachment to my PC for data sync, etc, and that also keeps the charge up but is not my "trusted" source :-) Chuck _____ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Erik Anderson Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 3:24 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Edge On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: (batteries take at least 3 times as long to fully recharge as to discharge) (going OT here, but am genuinely curious) What kind of batteries are you using? At the end of a typical day, my iPhone battery is depleted down to 15% or so. I'm averaging about two hours of browsing/email usage per day and 30 minutes phone usage, and I'm able to get it back to full charge within 45 minutes. I have similar experiences with my Macbook Pro, which I get ~6 hours of battery life out of (as long as I force it to use only the integrated GPU), and am able to get it fully charged within 2 hours. -Erik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Wed Jul 31 15:51:40 2013 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 15:51:40 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Reasons Twins should Keep Morneau Message-ID: 1. He has a sense of humor. 2. He's a hockey fan. 3. He plays well and cares about the team. 4. The Twins have traded in the past and haven't always made good trades. 5. He likes it here. Brian -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Jul 31 16:24:54 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 16:24:54 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Reasons Twins should Keep Morneau In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16EDA59D-3146-46B2-856B-A58D5D1C14BF@me.com> The advantage he can give the Twins is to voluntarily sever his contract and play for the minimum if he truly loves it here and cares about the team. I am not doubting your reasons - but the reason they need to unload him is partially financial and partially production. That and the team hasn't played very well since they were inside. :-\ On Jul 31, 2013, at 3:51 PM, Brian Wood wrote: > > 1. He has a sense of humor. > > 2. He's a hockey fan. > > 3. He plays well and cares about the team. > > 4. The Twins have traded in the past and haven't always > made good trades. > > 5. He likes it here. > > Brian > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list