You bet! On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Erik Mitchell <erik.mitchell at gmail.com>wrote: > @JeffJensen: > Do you think Intertech would be willing to host a TCLUG meeting in > early January? I'd like to propose electing officers, setting goals > for the year, and giving the group a purpose. > > I really appreciate Rick's email. It makes me realize that being a > group gives us an opportunity, that we have been failing to seize, and > that we also have a responsibility to our community. There is a lot we > could do if we worked together to reach out to a younger generation, > and I think it would be a great thing for the group to do. > > One of the items for the agenda would be email list moderation. Who? > How? What are the rules? > > Thoughts? > > -Erik > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Erik Anderson <erikerik at gmail.com> > wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Erik Mitchell <erik.mitchell at gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> It's not really doing much harm, in my opinion, and to the extent that > >> it is, I think a person who is a moderator could email someone > >> off-list and ask them to stop, and if they don't, then ban them from > >> the list, or take away privileges, or whatever. > > > > > > It's about respect - both of the individuals on this list and the > purpose of > > the list itself. No one likes being preached at, and especially not > within > > the context of technical conversation. There are indeed places where > > preaching/ranting/whatever are appropriate. Technical mailing lists are > not > > one of those places. > > > > Agreed, though, I would be perfectly happy if a mod would reach out to > > people personally - that's exactly what should happen. We just haven't > heard > > anything, which communicates implicitly that off-topic, divisive > behavior is > > tolerated. > > > >> > >> I'd prefer to err on the side of inclusion. This isn't an IEEE mailing > >> list, it's a LUG mailing list. A small one at that, for a group that > >> hardly ever meets, and when it does, it meets for beer. I'm actually > >> less annoyed by trolling than I am at seeing experienced interneters > >> feeding the trolls*, and then getting mad that their inbox is being > >> flooded with nonsense. > > > > > > I think we're all perfectly capable of ignoring trolls. It's an essential > > skill. That doesn't mean that trolling is an acceptable behavior, or that > > which should be allowed. > > > > I've been in far too many communities, technical and otherwise, where > > off-topic, disrespectful behavior was tolerated and in *every* instance, > the > > community disintegrated. I don't want that for TCLUG. I want to attract > > *more* people here, but with the current drama level, no one in their > right > > mind is going to sign up to be preached at regularly. There are plenty of > > other well-run mailing lists, forums, etc. where they can go. > > > > I was actually somewhat saddened while talking to people at the AWS > > re:Invent conference a few weeks ago. I would mention that I'm from the > Twin > > Cities, and they'd ask how the technical community is in this area. I > > explained that we have a *lot* of technical folks here, both on the > software > > development side as well as the sysadmin/operations side, but that the > > opportunities to gather and exchange ideas are few and far between. I > would > > absolutely *love* to see TCLUG (and other local groups like it) flourish. > > One key thing that will help this happen is indeed to cut out (as much as > > possible) discussion and/or members that will alienate people. Cripes, > > perhaps I'm one of those, and if so then so be it. I'd hope that's not > the > > case, though. > > > >> > >> Perhaps enough of us care that we should reassign responsibilities to > >> people who might be interested in more active leadership? Should we > >> have a new group of moderators? Should we elect a new > >> president/supreme ruler? > > > > > > +1. I'd at least like to hear who is on the mod list currently. If those > > people are not actively involved on the list, then things should be > switched > > up. > > > > -Erik > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/attachments/20131125/b2774ea9/attachment.html>