You bet!


On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Erik Mitchell <erik.mitchell at gmail.com>wrote:

> @JeffJensen:
> Do you think Intertech would be willing to host a TCLUG meeting in
> early January? I'd like to propose electing officers, setting goals
> for the year, and giving the group a purpose.
>
> I really appreciate Rick's email. It makes me realize that being a
> group gives us an opportunity, that we have been failing to seize, and
> that we also have a responsibility to our community. There is a lot we
> could do if we worked together to reach out to a younger generation,
> and I think it would be a great thing for the group to do.
>
> One of the items for the agenda would be email list moderation. Who?
> How? What are the rules?
>
> Thoughts?
>
> -Erik
>
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:22 AM, Erik Anderson <erikerik at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Erik Mitchell <erik.mitchell at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> It's not really doing much harm, in my opinion, and to the extent that
> >> it is, I think a person who is a moderator could email someone
> >> off-list and ask them to stop, and if they don't, then ban them from
> >> the list, or take away privileges, or whatever.
> >
> >
> > It's about respect - both of the individuals on this list and the
> purpose of
> > the list itself. No one likes being preached at, and especially not
> within
> > the context of technical conversation. There are indeed places where
> > preaching/ranting/whatever are appropriate. Technical mailing lists are
> not
> > one of those places.
> >
> > Agreed, though, I would be perfectly happy if a mod would reach out to
> > people personally - that's exactly what should happen. We just haven't
> heard
> > anything, which communicates implicitly that off-topic, divisive
> behavior is
> > tolerated.
> >
> >>
> >> I'd prefer to err on the side of inclusion. This isn't an IEEE mailing
> >> list, it's a LUG mailing list. A small one at that, for a group that
> >> hardly ever meets, and when it does, it meets for beer. I'm actually
> >> less annoyed by trolling than I am at seeing experienced interneters
> >> feeding the trolls*, and then getting mad that their inbox is being
> >> flooded with nonsense.
> >
> >
> > I think we're all perfectly capable of ignoring trolls. It's an essential
> > skill. That doesn't mean that trolling is an acceptable behavior, or that
> > which should be allowed.
> >
> > I've been in far too many communities, technical and otherwise, where
> > off-topic, disrespectful behavior was tolerated and in *every* instance,
> the
> > community disintegrated. I don't want that for TCLUG. I want to attract
> > *more* people here, but with the current drama level, no one in their
> right
> > mind is going to sign up to be preached at regularly. There are plenty of
> > other well-run mailing lists, forums, etc. where they can go.
> >
> > I was actually somewhat saddened while talking to people at the AWS
> > re:Invent conference a few weeks ago. I would mention that I'm from the
> Twin
> > Cities, and they'd ask how the technical community is in this area. I
> > explained that we have a *lot* of technical folks here, both on the
> software
> > development side as well as the sysadmin/operations side, but that the
> > opportunities to gather and exchange ideas are few and far between. I
> would
> > absolutely *love* to see TCLUG (and other local groups like it) flourish.
> > One key thing that will help this happen is indeed to cut out (as much as
> > possible) discussion and/or members that will alienate people. Cripes,
> > perhaps I'm one of those, and if so then so be it. I'd hope that's not
> the
> > case, though.
> >
> >>
> >> Perhaps enough of us care that we should reassign responsibilities to
> >> people who might be interested in more active leadership? Should we
> >> have a new group of moderators? Should we elect a new
> >> president/supreme ruler?
> >
> >
> > +1. I'd at least like to hear who is on the mod list currently. If those
> > people are not actively involved on the list, then things should be
> switched
> > up.
> >
> > -Erik
> >
> >
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>
>
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> Erik K. Mitchell
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