From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu Oct 10 14:56:39 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 14:56:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Personal Tech: T-Mobile Hands Consumers a Pleasant Shocker Message-ID: Just a little bit OT -- an update from Pogue on T-Mobiles new plans... (I don't work for T-Mobile or know anyone who works there.) This is an amazing breakthrough. There are a few bits of news but the big one is that T-Mobile will now do free unlimited data, free unlimited texts, and calls for $0.20/minute in 115 countries -- with no additional roaming charges! You just go to one of the 115 countries and T-Mobile just works. The $0.20/minute charge applies regardless of where you call *to*. According to Pogue, "Note, however, that you don't ever have to worry about what country you're calling to; once you arrive, every call is 20 cents a minute to every country on earth." This goes into effect at the end of the month. Pogue has some interesting things to say in his article linked below. (I use tinyurl.com to get you past the NY Times paywall by using Google as the referring page.) Mike http://tinyurl.com/NYT-Pogue-T-Mobile NY Times blog October 10, 2013 T-Mobile Hands Consumers a Pleasant Shocker By DAVID POGUE T-Mobile's plan to eliminate international roaming charges is bold and transparent. And it suggests that we've been paying those insane charges for nothing. Pogue refers to this article from yesterday: http://tinyurl.com/NYT-Chen-T-Mobile NY Times October 9, 2013 T-Mobile to Make It Cheaper to Make Calls While Abroad By BRIAN X. CHEN Original URLs: http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/10/t-mobile-hands-consumers-a-pleasant-shocker/ http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/10/technology/t-mobile-to-make-it-cheaper-to-make-calls-while-abroad.html From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Thu Oct 10 15:22:48 2013 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 15:22:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Personal Tech: T-Mobile Hands Consumers a Pleasant Shocker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We had to switch away from T-Mobile because of coverage issues at our house in SW Minneapolis (the boonies). I am on a no-contract phone from Virgin Mobile now, which uses the Sprint network. I will probably be moving to this by the end of the year (also uses the Sprint network): https://ting.com/ I'm not sure how that compares with this news from T-Mobile. I guess if you travel out of the country a lot, the T-Mobile deal is a good one. If you don't know about Ting though you should check it out. -Erik On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > Just a little bit OT -- an update from Pogue on T-Mobiles new plans... > > > (I don't work for T-Mobile or know anyone who works there.) > > This is an amazing breakthrough. There are a few bits of news but the big > one is that T-Mobile will now do free unlimited data, free unlimited texts, > and calls for $0.20/minute in 115 countries -- with no additional roaming > charges! You just go to one of the 115 countries and T-Mobile just works. > > The $0.20/minute charge applies regardless of where you call *to*. According > to Pogue, "Note, however, that you don't ever have to worry about what > country you're calling to; once you arrive, every call is 20 cents a minute > to every country on earth." > > This goes into effect at the end of the month. > > Pogue has some interesting things to say in his article linked below. > > (I use tinyurl.com to get you past the NY Times paywall by using Google as > the referring page.) > > Mike > > > > http://tinyurl.com/NYT-Pogue-T-Mobile > > NY Times blog > October 10, 2013 > > T-Mobile Hands Consumers a Pleasant Shocker > By DAVID POGUE > > T-Mobile's plan to eliminate international roaming charges is bold and > transparent. And it suggests that we've been paying those insane charges for > nothing. > > > > Pogue refers to this article from yesterday: > > http://tinyurl.com/NYT-Chen-T-Mobile > > NY Times > October 9, 2013 > > T-Mobile to Make It Cheaper to Make Calls While Abroad > By BRIAN X. CHEN > > > Original URLs: > http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/10/t-mobile-hands-consumers-a-pleasant-shocker/ > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/10/technology/t-mobile-to-make-it-cheaper-to-make-calls-while-abroad.html > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Erik K. Mitchell erik.mitchell at gmail.com From ryanjcole at me.com Thu Oct 10 15:24:19 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 15:24:19 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Personal Tech: T-Mobile Hands Consumers a Pleasant Shocker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7FAEAACB-D456-400E-B6B3-3A2A5089D697@me.com> Sprint is nice if you're not needing a lot of data mobility. The general lack of LTE coverage (after 14 months of promises) is troubling. On Oct 10, 2013, at 3:22 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > We had to switch away from T-Mobile because of coverage issues at our > house in SW Minneapolis (the boonies). > > I am on a no-contract phone from Virgin Mobile now, which uses the > Sprint network. I will probably be moving to this by the end of the > year (also uses the Sprint network): > > https://ting.com/ > > I'm not sure how that compares with this news from T-Mobile. I guess > if you travel out of the country a lot, the T-Mobile deal is a good > one. If you don't know about Ting though you should check it out. > > -Erik > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Mike Miller wrote: >> Just a little bit OT -- an update from Pogue on T-Mobiles new plans... >> >> >> (I don't work for T-Mobile or know anyone who works there.) >> >> This is an amazing breakthrough. There are a few bits of news but the big >> one is that T-Mobile will now do free unlimited data, free unlimited texts, >> and calls for $0.20/minute in 115 countries -- with no additional roaming >> charges! You just go to one of the 115 countries and T-Mobile just works. >> >> The $0.20/minute charge applies regardless of where you call *to*. According >> to Pogue, "Note, however, that you don't ever have to worry about what >> country you're calling to; once you arrive, every call is 20 cents a minute >> to every country on earth." >> >> This goes into effect at the end of the month. >> >> Pogue has some interesting things to say in his article linked below. >> >> (I use tinyurl.com to get you past the NY Times paywall by using Google as >> the referring page.) >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> http://tinyurl.com/NYT-Pogue-T-Mobile >> >> NY Times blog >> October 10, 2013 >> >> T-Mobile Hands Consumers a Pleasant Shocker >> By DAVID POGUE >> >> T-Mobile's plan to eliminate international roaming charges is bold and >> transparent. And it suggests that we've been paying those insane charges for >> nothing. >> >> >> >> Pogue refers to this article from yesterday: >> >> http://tinyurl.com/NYT-Chen-T-Mobile >> >> NY Times >> October 9, 2013 >> >> T-Mobile to Make It Cheaper to Make Calls While Abroad >> By BRIAN X. CHEN >> >> >> Original URLs: >> http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/10/t-mobile-hands-consumers-a-pleasant-shocker/ >> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/10/technology/t-mobile-to-make-it-cheaper-to-make-calls-while-abroad.html >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Fri Oct 11 22:12:40 2013 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu) Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 22:12:40 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: looking for best solutions for tracking projects and skills Message-ID: <20131011221240.a5afc6f936e63047e43ba68d@jasonhsu.com> I realize this is off-topic, but I'm not sure what forum is best for asking about this. I figure that at least a few of you are involved in civic hacking groups. I recently joined a group that does civic hacking. (Adopt-A-Hydrant is an example of civic hacking.) We need a solution for tracking projects and the skills needed for the projects (such as Ruby on Rails, Python, Drupal, Javascript, etc.). I'd like to hear from those of you in similar groups that have a great system for tracking projects. Is there an in-house solution you use, or is there something else available? -- Jason Hsu From jus at krytosvirus.com Sun Oct 13 11:58:35 2013 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2013 11:58:35 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Personal Tech: T-Mobile Hands Consumers a Pleasant Shocker Message-ID: BB as well as Galaxy S3 has calling over UMA (wifi) on T-Mobile too which worked well for local calling when I was traveling internationally so my calls were all considered local to my family and colleagues back home.? -------- Original message -------- From: Ryan Coleman Date: 10/11/2013 5:03 PM (GMT-06:00) To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Personal Tech: T-Mobile Hands Consumers a Pleasant Shocker You're welcome. Easy way to check is take the cover off any double duplex power outlet (2x2 - but turn off the breaker for that circuit first) and take a look. Or look at the wet wall pipe access (usually there, just a cover you can remove) and if it's an open hole through to a tub (like my parents) you will see the material the walls are made of. Pretty slick quick-check. TMO might work better because some of their phones, like many Blackberry models, support calls over WiFi and mobile radio - but this applies to most of those BBs (my 9300 I had on TMO and am unlocking right now supported that. On Oct 11, 2013, at 5:00 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > On Fri, 11 Oct 2013, Ryan Coleman wrote: > >> What are your walls made of? Having to go to a window says to me it's 1900-1950s plaster, slat board and metal lattice and due to the distance, position or angle of the Sprint antennae it doesn't penetrate your house. Exteriors of Stucco cause the same issue, too, if they are backed with metal lattice work. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage >> >> The same principal results in horrendously poor wifi reception in my parents house and my apartment - both built around 1900. > > > It was built in 1922 and I think you totally nailed it.? Strangely, and to our great surprise, when we got new siding in May, we found that there was stucco underneath of our old siding!? It is still there today because it is easier to put siding on top of stucco than to remove the stucco. > > Thanks for the info.? I did not know about the metal in the walls. > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jus at krytosvirus.com Wed Oct 16 06:26:41 2013 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 06:26:41 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: looking for best solutions for tracking projects and skills Message-ID: I recently began using trello.com. It is brilliant and has a very smooth interface. A big +1 from me and several colleagues who use it together with me.? -------- Original message -------- From: Jason Hsu Date: 10/11/2013 10:12 PM (GMT-06:00) To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: [tclug-list] OT: looking for best solutions for tracking projects and skills I realize this is off-topic, but I'm not sure what forum is best for asking about this.? I figure that at least a few of you are involved in civic hacking groups. I recently joined a group that does civic hacking. (Adopt-A-Hydrant is an example of civic hacking.) We need a solution for tracking projects and the skills needed for the projects (such as Ruby on Rails, Python, Drupal, Javascript, etc.). I'd like to hear from those of you in similar groups that have a great system for tracking projects. Is there an in-house solution you use, or is there something else available? -- Jason Hsu _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joel.longanecker at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 09:20:50 2013 From: joel.longanecker at gmail.com (Joel Longanecker) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 09:20:50 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: looking for best solutions for tracking projects and skills In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We use JIRA at work. So far, no complaints. On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 6:26 AM, Justin Krejci wrote: > I recently began using trello.com. It is brilliant and has a very smooth > interface. A big +1 from me and several colleagues who use it together with > me. > > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Jason Hsu > Date: 10/11/2013 10:12 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: [tclug-list] OT: looking for best solutions for tracking projects > and skills > > > I realize this is off-topic, but I'm not sure what forum is best for > asking about this. I figure that at least a few of you are involved in > civic hacking groups. > > I recently joined a group that does civic hacking. (Adopt-A-Hydrant is an > example of civic hacking.) > > We need a solution for tracking projects and the skills needed for the > projects (such as Ruby on Rails, Python, Drupal, Javascript, etc.). > > I'd like to hear from those of you in similar groups that have a great > system for tracking projects. Is there an in-house solution you use, or is > there something else available? > > -- > Jason Hsu > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erikerik at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 13:17:13 2013 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 13:17:13 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: looking for best solutions for tracking projects and skills In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Joel Longanecker < joel.longanecker at gmail.com> wrote: > We use JIRA at work. So far, no complaints. Agreed - it seems like any standard ticket tracking package that allows you to apply arbitrary tags to items would work just fine for this. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 14:15:25 2013 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 14:15:25 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hope for the hopeless Message-ID: In June I wrote: > Is your C++ project on the ropes? I'm willing to donate 15 hours > a week for up to six months on a project that uses the C++ > Middleware Writer (CMW). The CMW is an on line code > generator that writes low-level C++ marshalling code based on > high-level user input. The CMW is an increasingly robust producer > of concrete code. I'm borrowing the term "concrete code" from > www.springfuse.com . They claim that "Developers learn faster and > better with concrete code." In addition to the above offer, I'll give $100 cash and a $200 investment in my company for help finding someone interested in this. I'll pay the cash part after working with the person or team for four months. The company rewards investments to 3 times their original amount, so the investment will result in between $0 and $600, depending on how things go for the company. -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust. http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kc0iog at gmail.com Wed Oct 16 21:13:28 2013 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:13:28 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: looking for best solutions for tracking projects and skills In-Reply-To: <20131011221240.a5afc6f936e63047e43ba68d@jasonhsu.com> References: <20131011221240.a5afc6f936e63047e43ba68d@jasonhsu.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Jason Hsu wrote: > I recently joined a group that does civic hacking. (Adopt-A-Hydrant is an example of civic hacking.) > > We need a solution for tracking projects and the skills needed for the projects (such as Ruby on Rails, Python, Drupal, Javascript, etc.). Sounds like a task for a CRM... you enter your resources (with inventory of skills), create customers (projects), assign resources to projects, and generate tickets with tasks. There's a few open source CRMs out there, Sugar comes to mind. Brian From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Thu Oct 17 19:47:43 2013 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 19:47:43 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Centos 6 - Best filesystem for > 16TB Message-ID: <5260852F.80804@gmail.com> I am refurbing a HP Proliant DL180 G6 with 12 new 3TB drives for backup storage (Centos 6.4). Up until now all my current file systems are <= 16TB, so ext4 has not been an issue. I was curious what other are using for file systems > 16TB? Any recommendations? XFS? Thoughts? Thank! Mr. B-o-B From tlunde at gmail.com Thu Oct 17 19:58:48 2013 From: tlunde at gmail.com (Thomas Lunde) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:58:48 -0400 Subject: [tclug-list] Centos 6 - Best filesystem for > 16TB In-Reply-To: <5260852F.80804@gmail.com> References: <5260852F.80804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0D018EF1-9DDC-4BA1-8A02-678EE8E3B728@gmail.com> I recognize that this is the TCLUG Linux, but I'd recommend ZFS if you're willing to let FreeBSD or FreeNAS handle the storage. (You could use ESXi & then have both that & Linux on top of it. ) Thomas > On Oct 17, 2013, at 8:47 PM, B-o-B De Mars wrote: > > I am refurbing a HP Proliant DL180 G6 with 12 new 3TB drives for backup storage (Centos 6.4). Up until now all my current file systems are <= 16TB, so ext4 has not been an issue. > > I was curious what other are using for file systems > 16TB? Any recommendations? XFS? > > Thoughts? > > Thank! > > Mr. B-o-B > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From droidjd at gmail.com Thu Oct 17 20:46:25 2013 From: droidjd at gmail.com (Andrew Dahl) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:46:25 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Centos 6 - Best filesystem for > 16TB In-Reply-To: <5260852F.80804@gmail.com> References: <5260852F.80804@gmail.com> Message-ID: I do XFS development for work, so my bias says XFS :-) It's actually going to be the default filesystem on RHEL7 and has comparable performance to ext3/4 (except it scales) But yeah, ZFS wouldn't be a bad choice. On Oct 17, 2013 7:48 PM, "B-o-B De Mars" wrote: > I am refurbing a HP Proliant DL180 G6 with 12 new 3TB drives for backup > storage (Centos 6.4). Up until now all my current file systems are <= > 16TB, so ext4 has not been an issue. > > I was curious what other are using for file systems > 16TB? Any > recommendations? XFS? > > Thoughts? > > Thank! > > Mr. B-o-B > ______________________________**_________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Thu Oct 17 20:59:00 2013 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:59:00 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Centos 6 - Best filesystem for > 16TB In-Reply-To: <0D018EF1-9DDC-4BA1-8A02-678EE8E3B728@gmail.com> References: <5260852F.80804@gmail.com> <0D018EF1-9DDC-4BA1-8A02-678EE8E3B728@gmail.com> Message-ID: <526095E4.60409@gmail.com> On 10/17/2013 7:58 PM, Thomas Lunde wrote:: > I recognize that this is the TCLUG Linux, but I'd recommend ZFS if you're willing to let FreeBSD or FreeNAS handle the storage. > > (You could use ESXi & then have both that & Linux on top of it. ) > Thanks for the tip. I'll take a look at ZFS. From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Thu Oct 17 21:04:55 2013 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 21:04:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Centos 6 - Best filesystem for > 16TB In-Reply-To: References: <5260852F.80804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52609747.2070703@gmail.com> On 10/17/2013 8:46 PM, Andrew Dahl wrote:: > I do XFS development for work, so my bias says XFS :-) > > It's actually going to be the default filesystem on RHEL7 and has > comparable performance to ext3/4 (except it scales) > > But yeah, ZFS wouldn't be a bad choice. > I was reading about performance issues with XFS in RHEL 6. Seems it wasn't a problem with XFS itself, but a bug introduced by RH. All the articles were close to a year old. I couldn't find anything online about RH correcting the issue in version 6. Have you heard about this, and do you think it might have been resolved? If you were to use ZFS would you still use Linux? Thans From droidjd at gmail.com Thu Oct 17 21:27:38 2013 From: droidjd at gmail.com (Andrew Dahl) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 21:27:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Centos 6 - Best filesystem for > 16TB In-Reply-To: <52609747.2070703@gmail.com> References: <5260852F.80804@gmail.com> <52609747.2070703@gmail.com> Message-ID: They must've. We run it on RHEL and SLES with the same performance. We also work with three developers at Red Hat that work on XFS. Red Hat doesn't support it as the root filesystem on RHEL6, although I'm unsure as to why. I'd probably still use Linux out of preference, but I can't speak to how good ZFS is. I've never used it, only heard about it being pretty good. On Oct 17, 2013 9:05 PM, "B-o-B De Mars" wrote: > On 10/17/2013 8:46 PM, Andrew Dahl wrote:: > >> I do XFS development for work, so my bias says XFS :-) >> >> It's actually going to be the default filesystem on RHEL7 and has >> comparable performance to ext3/4 (except it scales) >> >> But yeah, ZFS wouldn't be a bad choice. >> >> > I was reading about performance issues with XFS in RHEL 6. Seems it > wasn't a problem with XFS itself, but a bug introduced by RH. All the > articles were close to a year old. I couldn't find anything online about > RH correcting the issue in version 6. Have you heard about this, and do > you think it might have been resolved? > > If you were to use ZFS would you still use Linux? > > Thans > ______________________________**_________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Thu Oct 17 21:34:40 2013 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 21:34:40 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Centos 6 - Best filesystem for > 16TB In-Reply-To: References: <5260852F.80804@gmail.com> <52609747.2070703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52609E40.7000402@gmail.com> On 10/17/2013 9:27 PM, Andrew Dahl wrote:: > They must've. We run it on RHEL and SLES with the same performance. We > also work with three developers at Red Hat that work on XFS. This is good news. > > Red Hat doesn't support it as the root filesystem on RHEL6, although I'm > unsure as to why. This is OK with me. > > I'd probably still use Linux out of preference, but I can't speak to how > good ZFS is. I've never used it, only heard about it being pretty good. I'm going to stick with Linux, and I am leaning heavily on using XFS. Thanks for all the info! From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Thu Oct 17 22:36:15 2013 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 22:36:15 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Centos 6 - Best filesystem for > 16TB In-Reply-To: <5260852F.80804@gmail.com> References: <5260852F.80804@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:47 PM, B-o-B De Mars wrote: > Up until now all my current file systems are <= 16TB, > so ext4 has not been an issue. I'm curious why it's an issue beyond that point. This indicates that ext4 has supported filesystems larger than 16TB for nearly two years: http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/e2fsprogs-release.html#1.42 And Wikipedia says it now supports volumes up to 1EiB, or 1,048,576TiB. See also https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto#Bigger_File_System_and_File_Sizes . - Tony From tlunde at gmail.com Thu Oct 17 23:54:39 2013 From: tlunde at gmail.com (Thomas Lunde) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 00:54:39 -0400 Subject: [tclug-list] Centos 6 - Best filesystem for > 16TB In-Reply-To: <52609747.2070703@gmail.com> References: <5260852F.80804@gmail.com> <52609747.2070703@gmail.com> Message-ID: > On Oct 17, 2013, at 10:04 PM, B-o-B De Mars wrote: > If you were to use ZFS would you still use Linux? I did in the past, but I won't do it again unless Oracle changes the ZFS license (and that seems unlikely). This is not a political objection, but a desire for stability. Let me explain: ZFS exists on Linux via FUSE, but that has, I think, enough performance issues that I wouldn't choose to use it in production. ZFS also exists "natively" on Linux. Work on it is supported by a grant from the Livermore National Lab & it is regularly updated -- and, that's a double-edges sword. Due to the interaction between the CDDL and GPL licenses, the ZFS code must be maintained out-of-tree for Linux. Therefore the SPL (Software Porting Layer) must exist & get regular updates so that ZFS will keep working as the Linux kernel changes over time. While regular Ubuntu et al packages are available, I did have a reboot or two during the year that I ran "native ZFS on Linux" where all of my file systems became unavailable because the SPL didn't update correctly. That's no longer acceptable to me. So, on my storage machines, I run FreeBSD. Thomas From droidjd at gmail.com Fri Oct 18 01:21:33 2013 From: droidjd at gmail.com (Andrew Dahl) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 01:21:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Centos 6 - Best filesystem for > 16TB In-Reply-To: References: <5260852F.80804@gmail.com> Message-ID: A variety of reasons. The biggest one for me is stability. XFS has been doing huge filesystems (>50gb) for years. ext4 hasn't. Today, I'd probably trust ext4 to do a 16 TB fs, but I'd still prefer XFS. For larger filesystem, ext4 performance degrades rapidly while XFS continues to scale well. Here's a forum discussing this very topic: http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?t=1200201 Sent from my Nexus 10. On Oct 17, 2013 10:36 PM, "Tony Yarusso" wrote: > On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:47 PM, B-o-B De Mars > wrote: > > Up until now all my current file systems are <= 16TB, > > so ext4 has not been an issue. > > I'm curious why it's an issue beyond that point. This indicates that > ext4 has supported filesystems larger than 16TB for nearly two years: > > http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/e2fsprogs-release.html#1.42 > > And Wikipedia says it now supports volumes up to 1EiB, or > 1,048,576TiB. See also > > https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto#Bigger_File_System_and_File_Sizes > . > > - Tony > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From droidjd at gmail.com Fri Oct 18 01:23:07 2013 From: droidjd at gmail.com (Andrew Dahl) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 01:23:07 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Centos 6 - Best filesystem for > 16TB In-Reply-To: References: <5260852F.80804@gmail.com> Message-ID: I meant 50 tb... Although gb is also true, I suppose. :-) Sent from my Nexus 10. On Oct 18, 2013 1:21 AM, "Andrew Dahl" wrote: > A variety of reasons. The biggest one for me is stability. XFS has been > doing huge filesystems (>50gb) for years. ext4 hasn't. Today, I'd probably > trust ext4 to do a 16 TB fs, but I'd still prefer XFS. > > For larger filesystem, ext4 performance degrades rapidly while XFS > continues to scale well. > > Here's a forum discussing this very topic: > http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?t=1200201 > > Sent from my Nexus 10. > On Oct 17, 2013 10:36 PM, "Tony Yarusso" wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:47 PM, B-o-B De Mars >> wrote: >> > Up until now all my current file systems are <= 16TB, >> > so ext4 has not been an issue. >> >> I'm curious why it's an issue beyond that point. This indicates that >> ext4 has supported filesystems larger than 16TB for nearly two years: >> >> http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/e2fsprogs-release.html#1.42 >> >> And Wikipedia says it now supports volumes up to 1EiB, or >> 1,048,576TiB. See also >> >> https://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto#Bigger_File_System_and_File_Sizes >> . >> >> - Tony >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at beitsahour.net Fri Oct 18 09:50:45 2013 From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 09:50:45 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Centos 6 - Best filesystem for > 16TB In-Reply-To: References: <5260852F.80804@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Andrew Dahl wrote: > A variety of reasons. The biggest one for me is stability. XFS has been > doing huge filesystems (>50gb) for years. ext4 hasn't. Today, I'd probably > trust ext4 to do a 16 TB fs, but I'd still prefer XFS. The problem with XFS comes in not in general operation, but when you need to fsck, XFS requires 1GB/TB of RAM in the event of a fsck. Does this system have sufficient RAM to fsck if you need to? > For larger filesystem, ext4 performance degrades rapidly while XFS continues > to scale well. You need to ask yourself, do i need this disk in one continuous chunk? I tend to use LVM to split the disk up and carve out ext4 formatted chunks for whatever project i am working on. I also use linux-md instead of the hardware raid controller, in case the raid controller craps out. this is afterall 2nd hand hardware. (iirc zfs also recommends using RAID-Z over hardware raid) From n0nas at amsat.org Fri Oct 18 12:25:25 2013 From: n0nas at amsat.org (Doug Reed) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 12:25:25 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Centos 6 - Best filesystem for > 16TB Message-ID: I'm glad to be reading this discussion of ZFS vs EXT4 vs XFS vs etc. I've been considering NAS4Free (FreeBSD-based) & ZFS for a home file server. I'm not in the 16TB class yet, and fast access wasn't as much of a driver for me as reliability and no data corruption. I've had trouble with silent data corruption before so that aspect of ZFS was what I considered most interesting. The negative side of ZFS was the amount of RAM it needs with large drives. I wanted to use an old P4 with maybe 512MB of RAM, but ZFS really wants a couple GB to do it right. So I'll be out in the weeds reading the mail to see what the options are. :-) Doug. From erikerik at gmail.com Fri Oct 18 14:45:15 2013 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:45:15 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Centos 6 - Best filesystem for > 16TB In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Doug Reed wrote: > The negative side of ZFS was the amount of RAM it needs with large > drives. I wanted to use an old P4 with maybe 512MB of RAM, but ZFS > really wants a couple GB to do it right. > There's no harm in starting with 512MB. Things *will* work, they'll just perform poorly. But then again, on that vintage system, nothing is going to be overly snappy, with regards to storage, anyway. Eventually if you get sick of poor performance, you can either upgrade the RAM of that system or export/import to newer hardware. -Erik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Who cares? > Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 12:21:58 -0500 > From: n0nas at amsat.org > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: [tclug-list] When is the next Installfest? > > When is the next Installfest? > > I know that Ubuntu 13.10 is now released and last year the October > meeting was an Installfest for 12.10. > > I've got a friend I've been telling to upgrade from Win XP to Linux, > probably to 12.04.3LTS, and it would help a lot if there was a guru > around to help him get his Windows programs running under wine & mono. > His only interest is getting a stable environment to run the > ATCSmonitor program for remote server installations monitoring > railroad trains..... I'm too much a newbie to help him, so the > Installfest would be the best time to try.... > > Doug Reed > N St Paul. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Sun Oct 20 16:31:21 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 16:31:21 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] When is the next Installfest? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2DFCFA1D-01D0-47FC-AC2A-0BA419E2773D@me.com> I presume people who want help installing new OSes. On Oct 20, 2013, at 4:09 PM, paul g wrote: > Who cares? > > > Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 12:21:58 -0500 > > From: n0nas at amsat.org > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: [tclug-list] When is the next Installfest? > > > > When is the next Installfest? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Sun Oct 20 19:44:36 2013 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 19:44:36 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] When is the next Installfest? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd love to do one. I'm not sure I'm going to be installing anything myself, but I'd love to show people XMonad, which has become my (tiling) window manager of choice. -Erik On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Doug Reed wrote: > When is the next Installfest? > > I know that Ubuntu 13.10 is now released and last year the October > meeting was an Installfest for 12.10. > > I've got a friend I've been telling to upgrade from Win XP to Linux, > probably to 12.04.3LTS, and it would help a lot if there was a guru > around to help him get his Windows programs running under wine & mono. > His only interest is getting a stable environment to run the > ATCSmonitor program for remote server installations monitoring > railroad trains..... I'm too much a newbie to help him, so the > Installfest would be the best time to try.... > > Doug Reed > N St Paul. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Erik K. Mitchell erik.mitchell at gmail.com From john.a.frisk at gmail.com Mon Oct 21 09:52:57 2013 From: john.a.frisk at gmail.com (John Frisk) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 09:52:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] When is the next Installfest? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If Penguins Unbound does an installfest this year it will be in November. We wanted to give the "flavors" of Ubuntu time to sync up with main Ubuntu before having the party. The other issue we will be dealing with is a space to do the installfest. Location is TBD. On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Erik Mitchell wrote: > I'd love to do one. I'm not sure I'm going to be installing anything > myself, but I'd love to show people XMonad, which has become my > (tiling) window manager of choice. > > -Erik > > On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Doug Reed wrote: > > When is the next Installfest? > > > > I know that Ubuntu 13.10 is now released and last year the October > > meeting was an Installfest for 12.10. > > > > I've got a friend I've been telling to upgrade from Win XP to Linux, > > probably to 12.04.3LTS, and it would help a lot if there was a guru > > around to help him get his Windows programs running under wine & mono. > > His only interest is getting a stable environment to run the > > ATCSmonitor program for remote server installations monitoring > > railroad trains..... I'm too much a newbie to help him, so the > > Installfest would be the best time to try.... > > > > Doug Reed > > N St Paul. > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > Erik K. Mitchell > erik.mitchell at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjensen at apache.org Mon Oct 21 10:08:16 2013 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:08:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] When is the next Installfest? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If attendance is not huge, we can hold it at my company in Eagan. We have a room that seats about 60 when fully setup and has some tables (there are 2 SmartBoards in it too, so someone could easily "present" installations or other info). It would handle a couple dozen people working around tables and some in chairs. We also have a lunchroom next to it with many more tables and chairs. On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 9:52 AM, John Frisk wrote: > If Penguins Unbound does an installfest this year it will be in November. > We wanted to give the "flavors" of Ubuntu time to sync up with main Ubuntu > before having the party. The other issue we will be dealing with is a space > to do the installfest. Location is TBD. > > > On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Erik Mitchell > wrote: >> >> I'd love to do one. I'm not sure I'm going to be installing anything >> myself, but I'd love to show people XMonad, which has become my >> (tiling) window manager of choice. >> >> -Erik >> >> On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Doug Reed wrote: >> > When is the next Installfest? >> > >> > I know that Ubuntu 13.10 is now released and last year the October >> > meeting was an Installfest for 12.10. >> > >> > I've got a friend I've been telling to upgrade from Win XP to Linux, >> > probably to 12.04.3LTS, and it would help a lot if there was a guru >> > around to help him get his Windows programs running under wine & mono. >> > His only interest is getting a stable environment to run the >> > ATCSmonitor program for remote server installations monitoring >> > railroad trains..... I'm too much a newbie to help him, so the >> > Installfest would be the best time to try.... >> > >> > Doug Reed >> > N St Paul. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> -- >> Erik K. Mitchell >> erik.mitchell at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Mon Oct 21 11:38:23 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:38:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] When is the next Installfest? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Paul G-- Please stop sending messages that intend to ridicule or provoke. Thanks. Mike On Sun, 20 Oct 2013, paul g wrote: > Who cares? > >> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 12:21:58 -0500 >> From: n0nas at amsat.org >> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> Subject: [tclug-list] When is the next Installfest? >> >> When is the next Installfest? >> >> I know that Ubuntu 13.10 is now released and last year the October >> meeting was an Installfest for 12.10. >> >> I've got a friend I've been telling to upgrade from Win XP to Linux, >> probably to 12.04.3LTS, and it would help a lot if there was a guru >> around to help him get his Windows programs running under wine & mono. >> His only interest is getting a stable environment to run the >> ATCSmonitor program for remote server installations monitoring >> railroad trains..... I'm too much a newbie to help him, so the >> Installfest would be the best time to try.... >> >> Doug Reed >> N St Paul. >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From nakorsakov at gmail.com Mon Oct 21 12:24:41 2013 From: nakorsakov at gmail.com (N K) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 12:24:41 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 106, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52656359.6040901@gmail.com> Installing a virtual machine might be a good option (then loading Windows onto it). I've not had much luck with WINE, unless you are dealing with very common Windows programs or games. VirtualBox is pretty good, and it's free. It is an Oracle product, but as long as that doesn't matter...there you go! I'll probably be installing a virtual machine to run evaluation copies of Windows 8 and SQL Server, soon. Not that I love them, but I might need them fora future job. Windows XP is no longer going to be patched as of April 2014, if I read the news correctly. Now would be a good time to migrate to Linux. I recommend Mint or Mageia for the desktop (for a new user) but everyone has their favourites. Cheers, -- Nicholas On 21/10/13 12:00 PM, tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org wrote: > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: When is the next Installfest? (Mike Miller) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:38:23 -0500 (CDT) > From: Mike Miller > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] When is the next Installfest? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Paul G-- > > Please stop sending messages that intend to ridicule or provoke. Thanks. > > Mike > > > On Sun, 20 Oct 2013, paul g wrote: > >> Who cares? >> >>> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 12:21:58 -0500 >>> From: n0nas at amsat.org >>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> Subject: [tclug-list] When is the next Installfest? >>> >>> When is the next Installfest? >>> >>> I know that Ubuntu 13.10 is now released and last year the October >>> meeting was an Installfest for 12.10. >>> >>> I've got a friend I've been telling to upgrade from Win XP to Linux, >>> probably to 12.04.3LTS, and it would help a lot if there was a guru >>> around to help him get his Windows programs running under wine & mono. >>> His only interest is getting a stable environment to run the >>> ATCSmonitor program for remote server installations monitoring >>> railroad trains..... I'm too much a newbie to help him, so the >>> Installfest would be the best time to try.... >>> >>> Doug Reed >>> N St Paul. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 106, Issue 8 > ****************************************** > From n0nas at amsat.org Mon Oct 21 12:30:38 2013 From: n0nas at amsat.org (Doug Reed) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 12:30:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 106, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the reply John. That is what I wanted to know. I'll be waiting for the announcement and I hope it can be arranged for the TIES meeting location since that is reasonably convenient for my friend coming from Centerville. And I'll note that I'm usually a +1 on watching the meetings via streaming video. It is a disappointment when the feed isn't working..... The video feed is a great service for those who can't otherwise attend. Doug. From gsker at skerbitz.org Mon Oct 21 15:36:50 2013 From: gsker at skerbitz.org (gsker) Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 15:36:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 106, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <52656359.6040901@gmail.com> References: <52656359.6040901@gmail.com> Message-ID: KVM is pretty good too and it's free and it's not an Oracle product. :-) And I run Windows7 on it on a daily basis... On Mon, 21 Oct 2013, N K wrote: > Installing a virtual machine might be a good option (then loading > Windows onto it). > I've not had much luck with WINE, unless you are dealing with very > common Windows programs or games. > > VirtualBox is pretty good, and it's free. It is an Oracle product, but > as long as that doesn't matter...there you go! > I'll probably be installing a virtual machine to run evaluation copies > of Windows 8 and SQL Server, soon. > Not that I love them, but I might need them fora future job. > > Windows XP is no longer going to be patched as of April 2014, if I read > the news correctly. > Now would be a good time to migrate to Linux. > I recommend Mint or Mageia for the desktop (for a new user) but everyone > has their favourites. > > Cheers, > -- Nicholas > > On 21/10/13 12:00 PM, tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org wrote: >> Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: When is the next Installfest? (Mike Miller) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:38:23 -0500 (CDT) >> From: Mike Miller >> To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] When is the next Installfest? >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >> >> Paul G-- >> >> Please stop sending messages that intend to ridicule or provoke. Thanks. >> >> Mike >> >> >> On Sun, 20 Oct 2013, paul g wrote: >> >>> Who cares? >>> >>>> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 12:21:58 -0500 >>>> From: n0nas at amsat.org >>>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> Subject: [tclug-list] When is the next Installfest? >>>> >>>> When is the next Installfest? >>>> >>>> I know that Ubuntu 13.10 is now released and last year the October >>>> meeting was an Installfest for 12.10. >>>> >>>> I've got a friend I've been telling to upgrade from Win XP to Linux, >>>> probably to 12.04.3LTS, and it would help a lot if there was a guru >>>> around to help him get his Windows programs running under wine & mono. >>>> His only interest is getting a stable environment to run the >>>> ATCSmonitor program for remote server installations monitoring >>>> railroad trains..... I'm too much a newbie to help him, so the >>>> Installfest would be the best time to try.... >>>> >>>> Doug Reed >>>> N St Paul. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 106, Issue 8 >> ****************************************** >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From admin at lctn.org Thu Oct 24 09:22:10 2013 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 09:22:10 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] recommended ping program Message-ID: <52692D12.60000@lctn.org> I am googling for a ping program for Ubuntu that sends and email or audio alert if the ping request times out. Needs to run all the time rather than cycle every few minutes. Any ideas? -- Raymond Norton LCTN 952.955.7766 Sent from My Desktop From joel.longanecker at gmail.com Thu Oct 24 10:13:37 2013 From: joel.longanecker at gmail.com (Joel Longanecker) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:13:37 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] recommended ping program In-Reply-To: <52692D12.60000@lctn.org> References: <52692D12.60000@lctn.org> Message-ID: this sounds like a job for python. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/316866/ping-a-site-in-python On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Raymond Norton wrote: > I am googling for a ping program for Ubuntu that sends and email or audio > alert if the ping request times out. Needs to run all the time rather than > cycle every few minutes. > > Any ideas? > > -- > Raymond Norton > LCTN > 952.955.7766 > > Sent from My Desktop > > ______________________________**_________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Thu Oct 24 10:16:25 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:16:25 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] recommended ping program In-Reply-To: References: <52692D12.60000@lctn.org> Message-ID: There are many examples using bash out there. A great how-to that explains the piece of the code: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/733418/how-can-i-write-a-linux-bash-script-that-tells-me-which-computer-are-on-in-my-l On Oct 24, 2013, at 10:13 AM, Joel Longanecker wrote: > this sounds like a job for python. > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/316866/ping-a-site-in-python > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Raymond Norton wrote: > I am googling for a ping program for Ubuntu that sends and email or audio alert if the ping request times out. 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Tons of examples on the web... -HP On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Raymond Norton wrote: > I am googling for a ping program for Ubuntu that sends and email or audio > alert if the ping request times out. Needs to run all the time rather than > cycle every few minutes. > > Any ideas? > > -- > Raymond Norton > LCTN > 952.955.7766 > > Sent from My Desktop > > ______________________________**_________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at lctn.org Thu Oct 24 10:43:08 2013 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:43:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] recommended ping program In-Reply-To: References: <52692D12.60000@lctn.org> Message-ID: <5269400C.7090302@lctn.org> Thank you! getting the following error when the host times out: Cannot parse address `down"' (while expanding `down"'): Malformed email address On 10/24/2013 10:27 AM, Harry Penner wrote: > You can roll your own fairly easily using a structure like this: > > -- > #!/bin/bash > > PINGTARGET="myserver" > PINGEMAIL="me at mydomain.com " > PINGCOUNT=3 > PINGWAIT=60 > > while [ True ]; do > PINGTIME="`date +%D-%T`" > if ! [ "`ping -c $PINGCOUNT $PINGTARGET | grep -c 'bytes from'`" -gt > "0" ]; then > echo "$PINGTIME $PINGTARGET failed $PINGCOUNT pings!" > echo "$PINGTIME $PINGTARGET failed $PINGCOUNT pings!" | mail -s > "$PINGTARGET is down" $PINGEMAIL > else > echo "$PINGTIME $PINGTARGET is up" > fi > sleep $PINGWAIT > done > -- > > If you need SMTP authentication, SSL, etc then you may want to go with > something heavier like perl. Tons of examples on the web... > > -HP > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Raymond Norton > wrote: > > I am googling for a ping program for Ubuntu that sends and email > or audio alert if the ping request times out. Needs to run all the > time rather than cycle every few minutes. > > Any ideas? > > -- > Raymond Norton > LCTN > 952.955.7766 > > Sent from My Desktop > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Raymond Norton LCTN 952.955.7766 Sent from My Desktop -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Thu Oct 24 10:44:38 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 10:44:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] recommended ping program In-Reply-To: <5269400C.7090302@lctn.org> References: <52692D12.60000@lctn.org> <5269400C.7090302@lctn.org> Message-ID: Try escaping the quotes or going to single quotes. Double-nested quotes are causing the problem. On Oct 24, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Raymond Norton wrote: > Thank you! > > getting the following error when the host times out: > > Cannot parse address `down?' (while expanding `down?'): Malformed email address > > > > On 10/24/2013 10:27 AM, Harry Penner wrote: >> You can roll your own fairly easily using a structure like this: >> >> -- >> #!/bin/bash >> >> PINGTARGET="myserver" >> PINGEMAIL="me at mydomain.com" >> PINGCOUNT=3 >> PINGWAIT=60 >> >> while [ True ]; do >> PINGTIME="`date +%D-%T`" >> if ! [ "`ping -c $PINGCOUNT $PINGTARGET | grep -c 'bytes from'`" -gt "0" ]; then >> echo "$PINGTIME $PINGTARGET failed $PINGCOUNT pings!" >> echo ?$PINGTIME $PINGTARGET failed $PINGCOUNT pings!? | mail -s ?$PINGTARGET is down? $PINGEMAIL >> else >> echo "$PINGTIME $PINGTARGET is up" >> fi >> sleep $PINGWAIT >> done >> -- >> >> If you need SMTP authentication, SSL, etc then you may want to go with something heavier like perl. Tons of examples on the web... >> >> -HP >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Raymond Norton wrote: >> I am googling for a ping program for Ubuntu that sends and email or audio alert if the ping request times out. Needs to run all the time rather than cycle every few minutes. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> -- >> Raymond Norton >> LCTN >> 952.955.7766 >> >> Sent from My Desktop >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Raymond Norton > LCTN > 952.955.7766 > > Sent from My Desktop > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sfertch at gmail.com Thu Oct 24 12:16:46 2013 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 12:16:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] recommended ping program In-Reply-To: <52692D12.60000@lctn.org> References: <52692D12.60000@lctn.org> Message-ID: In about an hour, you can have a very basic implementation of Nagios up and running for what you want. It's also a great way to start to build monitoring for things such as hardware monitoring, website, etc. On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Raymond Norton wrote: > I am googling for a ping program for Ubuntu that sends and email or audio > alert if the ping request times out. Needs to run all the time rather than > cycle every few minutes. > > Any ideas? > > -- > Raymond Norton > LCTN > 952.955.7766 > > Sent from My Desktop > > ______________________________**_________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/**mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- -Shawn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Thu Oct 24 12:19:34 2013 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 12:19:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] recommended ping program In-Reply-To: References: <52692D12.60000@lctn.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Shawn Fertch wrote: > In about an hour, you can have a very basic implementation of Nagios up and > running for what you want. The caveat there is that it's a bit awkward to monitor things more frequently than once per minute in Nagios, since it uses a minute as its base unit for a bunch of stuff. You can do it, either by having your plugin ping for a minute on each run or being okay with converting all of your time periods to fractions of a minute, but just be aware it's weird. - Tony From tclug at beitsahour.net Thu Oct 24 12:28:51 2013 From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 12:28:51 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] recommended ping program In-Reply-To: References: <52692D12.60000@lctn.org> <5269400C.7090302@lctn.org> Message-ID: If you want to monitor a system to make sure it is up, have you looked at monit? On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Try escaping the quotes or going to single quotes. > > Double-nested quotes are causing the problem. > > > On Oct 24, 2013, at 10:43 AM, Raymond Norton wrote: > > Thank you! > > getting the following error when the host times out: > > Cannot parse address `down?' (while expanding `down?'): Malformed email > address > > > > On 10/24/2013 10:27 AM, Harry Penner wrote: > > You can roll your own fairly easily using a structure like this: > > -- > #!/bin/bash > > PINGTARGET="myserver" > PINGEMAIL="me at mydomain.com" > PINGCOUNT=3 > PINGWAIT=60 > > while [ True ]; do > PINGTIME="`date +%D-%T`" > if ! [ "`ping -c $PINGCOUNT $PINGTARGET | grep -c 'bytes from'`" -gt "0" > ]; then > echo "$PINGTIME $PINGTARGET failed $PINGCOUNT pings!" > echo ?$PINGTIME $PINGTARGET failed $PINGCOUNT pings!? | mail -s > ?$PINGTARGET is down? $PINGEMAIL > else > echo "$PINGTIME $PINGTARGET is up" > fi > sleep $PINGWAIT > done > -- > > If you need SMTP authentication, SSL, etc then you may want to go with > something heavier like perl. Tons of examples on the web... > > -HP > > > On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Raymond Norton wrote: >> >> I am googling for a ping program for Ubuntu that sends and email or audio >> alert if the ping request times out. Needs to run all the time rather than >> cycle every few minutes. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> -- >> Raymond Norton >> LCTN >> 952.955.7766 >> >> Sent from My Desktop >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -- > Raymond Norton > LCTN > 952.955.7766 > > Sent from My Desktop > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jus at krytosvirus.com Thu Oct 24 19:39:05 2013 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 19:39:05 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] recommended ping program Message-ID: I believe there is a built-in audible ping option (man ping). Off hand I don't recall if it's audible on response or timeout. As I recall it just calls the system bell which can also be invoked manually from the shell as well.? Years ago I did write some basic ping tests in perl that shoot an email on ping failures. Let me know of you're interested and I can dig that code up.? -------- Original message -------- From: Raymond Norton Date: 10/24/2013 9:22 AM (GMT-06:00) To: TCLUG Subject: [tclug-list] recommended ping program I am googling for a ping program for Ubuntu? that sends and email or audio alert if the ping request times out. Needs to run all the time rather than cycle every few minutes. Any ideas? -- Raymond Norton LCTN 952.955.7766 Sent from My Desktop _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Chase at TonkaTelTec.com Fri Oct 25 00:35:42 2013 From: Chase at TonkaTelTec.com (Chase Remmen) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 05:35:42 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] recommended ping program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have heard good things about smokeping? Do you plan on running this in a cloud instance? I would be interested in hearing the application? Let us know what you end up using and why? Chase From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Justin Krejci Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2013 7:39 PM To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] recommended ping program I believe there is a built-in audible ping option (man ping). Off hand I don't recall if it's audible on response or timeout. As I recall it just calls the system bell which can also be invoked manually from the shell as well. Years ago I did write some basic ping tests in perl that shoot an email on ping failures. Let me know of you're interested and I can dig that code up. -------- Original message -------- From: Raymond Norton > Date: 10/24/2013 9:22 AM (GMT-06:00) To: TCLUG > Subject: [tclug-list] recommended ping program I am googling for a ping program for Ubuntu that sends and email or audio alert if the ping request times out. Needs to run all the time rather than cycle every few minutes. Any ideas? -- Raymond Norton LCTN 952.955.7766 Sent from My Desktop _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com Fri Oct 25 04:55:42 2013 From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke) Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 04:55:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Future Penguins Unbound && IPv6 @Penguins Unbound Meeting October 26th Message-ID: <526A401E.4080709@Goecke-Dolan.com> The October PenguinsUnbound.com meeting will be Saturday October 26th at TIES, 1667 Snelling Ave. N., St. Paul, MN 55108 from 10:00am to 12:00pm (See the web site http://www.penguinsunbound.com for directions and more info.) At this Months PenguinsUnbound Meeting, John Frisk will talk about: IPv6, and We will talk about Future of Penguins Unbound. Room change !!! We will be meeting in the Hamline Room in the new remodeled conference center above the parking garage. Please go in the doors in the front of the conference center (between the garage doors) by Larpenteur Ave. (North side). Take the stairs (or elevator) up to the second floor, on the east side of the building next to the mens room will be the Lexington room. Hope to see you there! *** STREAMING *** If you can't make it you can use this url to stream the meeting. mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 You should be able to connect with either: mplayer mms://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 or vlc http://rss2000.video.ties2.net:1800 From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 09:13:03 2013 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 09:13:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] petabytes Message-ID: I can remember when my 30 MB hard drive seemed like a bottomless pit of storage space. Now I see 500 million times that much space (1.5 PB) is available on this supercomputer disk array. This is my first time seeing a "P" in the df -H output: $ df -HTP | perl -pe 's/ +/\t/g ; s/Mounted\ton/Mounted on/' | align Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/vg_root-lv_root ext4 17G 9.5G 6.3G 61% / tmpfs tmpfs 13G 17k 13G 1% /dev/shm /dev/sda1 ext3 508M 136M 346M 29% /boot /dev/mapper/vg_root-lv_tmp ext4 6.2G 147M 5.8G 3% /tmp /dev/mapper/vg_root-lv_var ext4 66G 868M 62G 2% /var panfs://10.32.8.10:global panfs 1.5P 903T 544T 63% /panfs buzzard:/zprod/project/kumarv nfs 53T 50T 3.4T 94% /project/kumarv 10.32.8.31:/soft/el6 nfs 3.1T 1.2T 1.9T 40% /nfs/soft-el6 10.32.8.31:/adm/suacct nfs 7.1T 3.5T 3.6T 50% /adm/suacct 10.32.8.22:/intel nfs 281G 230G 51G 83% /nfs/soft-intel 10.32.8.12:/ nfs 1.5P 903T 544T 63% /nfs/roc buzzard:/zprod/project/expeditions nfs 27T 25T 1.6T 95% /project/expeditions buzzard:/zprod/project/limko nfs 28T 5.6T 22T 21% /project/limko buzzard:/zprod/project/sadowsky nfs 5.5T 4.8T 728G 87% /project/sadowsky Mike From ryanjcole at me.com Mon Oct 28 09:14:48 2013 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 09:14:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] petabytes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <339C88C4-227E-4E6C-9DBE-02881E8C2B44@me.com> > panfs://10.32.8.10:global panfs 1.5P 903T 544T 63% /panfs And it already has almost 1PB used? Jeebus. On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Mike Miller wrote: > I can remember when my 30 MB hard drive seemed like a bottomless pit of storage space. Now I see 500 million times that much space (1.5 PB) is available on this supercomputer disk array. This is my first time seeing a "P" in the df -H output: > > > $ df -HTP | perl -pe 's/ +/\t/g ; s/Mounted\ton/Mounted on/' | align > Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/mapper/vg_root-lv_root ext4 17G 9.5G 6.3G 61% / > tmpfs tmpfs 13G 17k 13G 1% /dev/shm > /dev/sda1 ext3 508M 136M 346M 29% /boot > /dev/mapper/vg_root-lv_tmp ext4 6.2G 147M 5.8G 3% /tmp > /dev/mapper/vg_root-lv_var ext4 66G 868M 62G 2% /var > panfs://10.32.8.10:global panfs 1.5P 903T 544T 63% /panfs > buzzard:/zprod/project/kumarv nfs 53T 50T 3.4T 94% /project/kumarv > 10.32.8.31:/soft/el6 nfs 3.1T 1.2T 1.9T 40% /nfs/soft-el6 > 10.32.8.31:/adm/suacct nfs 7.1T 3.5T 3.6T 50% /adm/suacct > 10.32.8.22:/intel nfs 281G 230G 51G 83% /nfs/soft-intel > 10.32.8.12:/ nfs 1.5P 903T 544T 63% /nfs/roc > buzzard:/zprod/project/expeditions nfs 27T 25T 1.6T 95% /project/expeditions > buzzard:/zprod/project/limko nfs 28T 5.6T 22T 21% /project/limko > buzzard:/zprod/project/sadowsky nfs 5.5T 4.8T 728G 87% /project/sadowsky > > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From nmarkon at gmail.com Mon Oct 28 10:22:46 2013 From: nmarkon at gmail.com (Noah Markon) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 10:22:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] petabytes In-Reply-To: <339C88C4-227E-4E6C-9DBE-02881E8C2B44@me.com> References: <339C88C4-227E-4E6C-9DBE-02881E8C2B44@me.com> Message-ID: > panfs://10.32.8.10:global panfs 1.5P 903T 544T 63% /panfs So how do you back that up? On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > > > And it already has almost 1PB used? Jeebus. > > On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Mike Miller wrote: > > > I can remember when my 30 MB hard drive seemed like a bottomless pit of > storage space. Now I see 500 million times that much space (1.5 PB) is > available on this supercomputer disk array. This is my first time seeing a > "P" in the df -H output: > > > > > > $ df -HTP | perl -pe 's/ +/\t/g ; s/Mounted\ton/Mounted on/' | align > > Filesystem Type Size Used Avail > Use% Mounted on > > /dev/mapper/vg_root-lv_root ext4 17G 9.5G 6.3G > 61% / > > tmpfs tmpfs 13G 17k 13G > 1% /dev/shm > > /dev/sda1 ext3 508M 136M 346M > 29% /boot > > /dev/mapper/vg_root-lv_tmp ext4 6.2G 147M 5.8G > 3% /tmp > > /dev/mapper/vg_root-lv_var ext4 66G 868M 62G > 2% /var > > panfs://10.32.8.10:global panfs 1.5P 903T 544T > 63% /panfs > > buzzard:/zprod/project/kumarv nfs 53T 50T 3.4T > 94% /project/kumarv > > 10.32.8.31:/soft/el6 nfs 3.1T 1.2T 1.9T > 40% /nfs/soft-el6 > > 10.32.8.31:/adm/suacct nfs 7.1T 3.5T 3.6T > 50% /adm/suacct > > 10.32.8.22:/intel nfs 281G 230G 51G > 83% /nfs/soft-intel > > 10.32.8.12:/ nfs 1.5P 903T 544T > 63% /nfs/roc > > buzzard:/zprod/project/expeditions nfs 27T 25T 1.6T > 95% /project/expeditions > > buzzard:/zprod/project/limko nfs 28T 5.6T 22T > 21% /project/limko > > buzzard:/zprod/project/sadowsky nfs 5.5T 4.8T 728G > 87% /project/sadowsky > > > > > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Mon Oct 28 10:26:00 2013 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (kelly) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 10:26:00 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] petabytes References: <339C88C4-227E-4E6C-9DBE-02881E8C2B44@me.com> Message-ID: <526E8208-00065B42@penguinpackets.com> To the cloud :-) > Mon Oct 28 2013 10:22:46 AM CDT from "Noah Markon" >Subject: Re: [tclug-list] petabytes > > > panfs://10.32..8.10:global ? ? ? ? ? ? ? panfs ? 1.5P ? >?903T ? ?544T ? ?63% ? ? /panfs > > ? > > So how do you back that up? > > On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > >> >> >> >> And it already has almost 1PB used? Jeebus. >> >> On Oct 28, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Mike Miller wrote: >> >> > I can remember when my 30 MB hard drive seemed like a bottomless pit of >>storage space. ?Now I see 500 million times that much space (1.5 PB) is >>available on this supercomputer disk array. ?This is my first time seeing a >>"P" in the df -H output: >> > >> > >> > $ df -HTP | perl -pe 's/ +/\t/g ; s/Mounted\ton/Mounted on/' | align >> > Filesystem ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Type ? ?Size ? >>?Used ? ?Avail ? Use% ? ?Mounted on >> > /dev/mapper/vg_root-lv_root ? ? ? ? ? ? ext4 ? ?17G ? ? 9.5G >>? ?6.3G ? ?61% ? ? / >> > tmpfs ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? tmpfs ? 13G ? >>? 17k ? ? 13G ? ? 1% ? ? ?/dev/shm >> > /dev/sda1 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ext3 ? ?508M ? >>?136M ? ?346M ? ?29% ? ? /boot >> > /dev/mapper/vg_root-lv_tmp ? ? ? ? ? ? ?ext4 ? ?6.2G ? ?147M >>? ?5.8G ? ?3% ? ? ?/tmp >> > /dev/mapper/vg_root-lv_var ? ? ? ? ? ? ?ext4 ? ?66G ? ? 868M >>? ?62G ? ? 2% ? ? ?/var >> > panfs://10.32.8.10:global ? ? ? ? ? ? ? panfs ? 1.5P ? ?903T >>? ?544T ? ?63% ? ? /panfs >> > buzzard:/zprod/project/kumarv ? ? ? ? ? nfs ? ? 53T ? ? 50T ? >>? 3.4T ? ?94% ? ? /project/kumarv >> > 10.32.8.31:/soft/el6 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?nfs ? ? 3.1T ? >>?1.2T ? ?1.9T ? ?40% ? ? /nfs/soft-el6 >> > 10.32.8.31:/adm/suacct ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?nfs ? ? 7.1T ? >>?3.5T ? ?3.6T ? ?50% ? ? /adm/suacct >> > 10.32.8.22:/intel ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? nfs ? ? 281G ? >>?230G ? ?51G ? ? 83% ? ? /nfs/soft-intel >> > 10.32.8.12:/ ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?nfs ? ? 1.5P ? >>?903T ? ?544T ? ?63% ? ? /nfs/roc >> > buzzard:/zprod/project/expeditions ? ? ?nfs ? ? 27T ? ? 25T ? ? >>1.6T ? ?95% ? ? /project/expeditions >> > buzzard:/zprod/project/limko ? ? ? ? ? ?nfs ? ? 28T ? ? 5.6T >>? ?22T ? ? 21% ? ? /project/limko >> > buzzard:/zprod/project/sadowsky ? ? ? ? nfs ? ? 5.5T ? ?4.8T ? >>?728G ? ?87% ? ? /project/sadowsky >> > >> > >> > Mike >> > _______________________________________________ >> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > (, 0 bytes) [View| Download] > ? > > > > > > ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tclug at beitsahour.net Tue Oct 29 11:56:03 2013 From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 11:56:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] petabytes In-Reply-To: References: <339C88C4-227E-4E6C-9DBE-02881E8C2B44@me.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Noah Markon wrote: >> panfs://10.32.8.10:global panfs 1.5P 903T 544T >> 63% /panfs > > So how do you back that up? tapes, lots of them. and a robot to shuffle them around. and students to haul them offsite on a regular basis. From tclug at freakzilla.com Tue Oct 29 14:45:35 2013 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 14:45:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] (Hopefully) Silly raid/mdadm question Message-ID: Ok, so right now I have a RAID5 array I created with mdadm. It uses four identical HDDs, one of which is a spare obviously (which is good because I had one fail). Anyway, sincethe enclosure I use can support 8 drives, I'm getting four more HDDs (also identical to the first) and plan on adding them to the current array. Now my hopefully silly question is, do I have to do anything special while adding them, or does mdadm/whatever know which to add as "live" data and which to add as spares? Can I just go "mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sdf1" (and then sdg1, sdh1 and sdi1)? Or do I have to do anything special? Thanks! -- From tclug at beitsahour.net Tue Oct 29 18:06:22 2013 From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 18:06:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] (Hopefully) Silly raid/mdadm question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:45 PM, wrote: > Ok, so right now I have a RAID5 array I created with mdadm. It uses four > identical HDDs, one of which is a spare obviously (which is good because I > had one fail). > > Anyway, sincethe enclosure I use can support 8 drives, I'm getting four more > HDDs (also identical to the first) and plan on adding them to the current > array. > > Now my hopefully silly question is, do I have to do anything special while > adding them, or does mdadm/whatever know which to add as "live" data and > which to add as spares? Can I just go "mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sdf1" (and > then sdg1, sdh1 and sdi1)? Or do I have to do anything special? when you do that you will add those drives as spares, you will then have to restripe using something like: mdadm --grow /dev/md0 --raid-devices=4 (since your raid deviced is currently 3) and while you can probably go directly to 7, or 8 i would recommend being patient and doing it one at a time. From tclug at freakzilla.com Tue Oct 29 21:25:03 2013 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 21:25:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] (Hopefully) Silly raid/mdadm question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Munir. That's probably what I'll do since I want to run badblocks on each drive and that alone should take several days per drive... I was going to plug them into separate machines to do that but I may as well go one at a time. On Tue, 29 Oct 2013, Munir Nassar wrote: > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:45 PM, wrote: >> Ok, so right now I have a RAID5 array I created with mdadm. It uses four >> identical HDDs, one of which is a spare obviously (which is good because I >> had one fail). >> >> Anyway, sincethe enclosure I use can support 8 drives, I'm getting four more >> HDDs (also identical to the first) and plan on adding them to the current >> array. >> >> Now my hopefully silly question is, do I have to do anything special while >> adding them, or does mdadm/whatever know which to add as "live" data and >> which to add as spares? Can I just go "mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/sdf1" (and >> then sdg1, sdh1 and sdi1)? Or do I have to do anything special? > > when you do that you will add those drives as spares, you will then > have to restripe using something like: > mdadm --grow /dev/md0 --raid-devices=4 (since your raid deviced is currently 3) > > and while you can probably go directly to 7, or 8 i would recommend > being patient and doing it one at a time. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Wed Oct 30 14:44:25 2013 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 14:44:25 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Can't resize terminal Message-ID: I accidentally maximized a terminal window ( I think it's an LXterminal) and the top row of items including the title and icons to click to resize aren't visible any more. On another lxterminal I can maximize it and those icons are still available, but for this terminal the top row has the "file", "edit" and so on. The terminal with the problem has multiple tabs open and the one that works normal doesn't. I was wondering if there's a key sequence I could type to get the window to resize or some other trick. I'd like to be able to keep this terminal if possible. I've tried double clicking on various parts of the terminal and right clicking, but haven't managed to get it back to the smaller size. Ideas? Tia. -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises -- Obama sucks. http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Wed Oct 30 15:23:45 2013 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:23:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Can't resize terminal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alt+LeftMouse might activate resize It dos in WindowMaker, might in other programs. Alt+RightMouse is move. Also try the F-keys. On Wed, 30 Oct 2013, Brian Wood wrote: > I accidentally maximized a terminal window ( I think it's an LXterminal) > and the top row of items including the title and icons to click to > resize aren't visible any more.? On another lxterminal I can maximize > it and those icons are still available, but for this terminal the top > row has the "file", "edit" and so on.?? The terminal with the problem > has multiple tabs open and the one that works normal doesn't. > > I was wondering if there's a key sequence I could type to get the > window to resize or some other trick.? I'd like to be able to keep > this terminal if possible. I've tried double clicking on various parts > of the terminal and right clicking, but haven't managed to get it > back to the smaller size.?? Ideas?? Tia. > > -- > Brian > Ebenezer Enterprises -- Obama sucks. > http://webEbenezer.net > > > > > From stuporglue at gmail.com Wed Oct 30 15:27:37 2013 From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 15:27:37 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Can't resize terminal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Some terminals shrink when you shrink the font. Ctlr- (ctrl-minus) might shrink the font, or ctrl+left-mouse might bring up a menu to select a font size. On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 3:23 PM, wrote: > Alt+LeftMouse might activate resize It dos in WindowMaker, might in other > programs. Alt+RightMouse is move. Also try the F-keys. > > > On Wed, 30 Oct 2013, Brian Wood wrote: > > I accidentally maximized a terminal window ( I think it's an LXterminal) >> and the top row of items including the title and icons to click to >> resize aren't visible any more. On another lxterminal I can maximize >> it and those icons are still available, but for this terminal the top >> row has the "file", "edit" and so on. The terminal with the problem >> has multiple tabs open and the one that works normal doesn't. >> >> I was wondering if there's a key sequence I could type to get the >> window to resize or some other trick. I'd like to be able to keep >> this terminal if possible. I've tried double clicking on various parts >> of the terminal and right clicking, but haven't managed to get it >> back to the smaller size. Ideas? Tia. >> >> -- >> Brian >> Ebenezer Enterprises -- Obama sucks. >> http://webEbenezer.net >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Support the digitization of the Iron County Miner newspaper archives Like this project on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/digitizeicm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mkorangestripe at gmail.com Wed Oct 30 16:18:31 2013 From: mkorangestripe at gmail.com (Gavin Purcell) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 16:18:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Can't resize terminal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alt+Spacebar opens a menu with min, max, move, and resize options on most applications. On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Michael Moore wrote: > Some terminals shrink when you shrink the font. Ctlr- (ctrl-minus) might > shrink the font, or ctrl+left-mouse might bring up a menu to select a font > size. > > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 3:23 PM, wrote: > >> Alt+LeftMouse might activate resize It dos in WindowMaker, might in other >> programs. Alt+RightMouse is move. Also try the F-keys. >> >> >> On Wed, 30 Oct 2013, Brian Wood wrote: >> >> I accidentally maximized a terminal window ( I think it's an LXterminal) >>> and the top row of items including the title and icons to click to >>> resize aren't visible any more. On another lxterminal I can maximize >>> it and those icons are still available, but for this terminal the top >>> row has the "file", "edit" and so on. The terminal with the problem >>> has multiple tabs open and the one that works normal doesn't. >>> >>> I was wondering if there's a key sequence I could type to get the >>> window to resize or some other trick. I'd like to be able to keep >>> this terminal if possible. I've tried double clicking on various parts >>> of the terminal and right clicking, but haven't managed to get it >>> back to the smaller size. Ideas? Tia. >>> >>> -- >>> Brian >>> Ebenezer Enterprises -- Obama sucks. >>> http://webEbenezer.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > -- > Support the digitization of the Iron County Miner newspaper archives > Like this project on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/digitizeicm > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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