From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Tue Apr 1 02:51:51 2014 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 02:51:51 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Email list moderation inquiry In-Reply-To: References: <5339BA47.1050900@real-time.com> Message-ID: we wouldn't have a problem if folks were to expect silent filtering of their posts once they've trolled. like what if the people you'd most like to hear from start filtering you.. could already be true.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Tue Apr 1 08:40:56 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2014 08:40:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Will GNU/Linux work with a MAC? In-Reply-To: References: <050F8AEC-3999-4040-BF28-809118D98DB3@me.com> Message-ID: <834FA4AE-AD43-402D-946F-25257C13AED0@me.com> One thing to keep in mind is PPC has been out of production for a decade. You want a currently developed platform to work on a 10-year old (at the newest) architecture. Good luck. Just because the OS supports something the software developer of your packages needs to spend the time and money to develop for it as well - that's a hard sell. I don't support browsers over 5years old in my web development world because, well, they account for less than 1% of my customer base. -- Ryan Coleman > On Mar 31, 2014, at 23:33, paul g wrote: > > Thanks Brian, > > I read through that information and then the comments as well found in the following link you sent. > > http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-7-wheezy-install-flash-player/ > > I noted comment number 10 and 12. Comment 10 states: 'there may possibly be no backports for PowerPC'. Comment 12 states: You can use ftp or http. The package is available only for i386 and amd64.<----That is some cause for concern. > > I just spent the last few hours starting to try to understand about 4 pages in the Gentoo installation manual for PowerPC referenced in the following link. > > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-ppc64.xml?part=1&chap=1 > > Perhaps it's time for me to consider Debian more seriously for this Mac truly it seems a little easier to setup for someone with little or no experience such as me with linux. > > Obviously the thought of getting 15 or maybe 20 years out of something like Gentoo has it's reward's and is worth reading more. > > Thanks, > > > > > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 21:38:30 -0500 > > From: kc0iog at gmail.com > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Will GNU/Linux work with a MAC? > > > > \On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 7:13 PM, paul g wrote: > > > The thing that is upsetting for me is that Gnome 3 is preinstalled on Debian > > > Wheezy, I do not like Gnome 3. I have used Debian Wheezy a little bit with a > > > Sony Viao Laptop I own [it's currently installed on that pc] as of now. > > > Initally after installation I struggled with Adobe-flashplayer under > > > iceweasel. Still Adobe-flashplayer is not installed under iceweasel. Can't > > > login to hotmail or gmail with iceweasel. I have been told that Google > > > Chrome will support flash on Wheezy. I have not tried it personally yet. > > > > There are ISOs for Wheezy using the XFCE desktop. I dropped Gnome a > > few years ago and haven't looked back. > > > > 64 bit: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.4.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso > > 32 bit: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-7.4.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso > > PPC: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-7.4.0-powerpc-xfce-CD-1.iso > > > > I think you'll find XFCE simple, lightweight, and fast. Much closer > > to what you're used to with Gnome 2. > > > > Flash does work on Wheezy. You need to add the non-free repo, here's > > a good walkthrough: > > http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-7-wheezy-install-flash-player/ > > > > I use flash on my Wheezy box (amd64) without issues. It does seem to > > work better in Chrome than iceweasel. > > > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuporglue at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 09:18:22 2014 From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 09:18:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Will GNU/Linux work with a MAC? In-Reply-To: References: <050F8AEC-3999-4040-BF28-809118D98DB3@me.com> Message-ID: > > http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-7-wheezy-install-flash-player/ > > I noted comment number 10 and 12. Comment 10 states: 'there may possibly > be no backports for PowerPC'. Comment 12 states: You can use ftp or http. > The package is available only for i386 and amd64.<----That is some cause > for concern. > I ran Linux on PowerPC back when PPC was supported by Ubuntu (and YDL, Suse, Gentoo, Rock, etc.) and never got Flash working. I don't think Adobe ever made a PowerPC Linux version, and I never had success with the Open Source flash players. The Ubuntu PPC wiki says: "There is no Adobe Flash for PowerPC. There are, however, two open source flash players still under development: gnash and lightspark." ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ#Flash.2C_Flash_video.2C_Gnash_and_Lightspark ). -- Michael Moore -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.wagle at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 09:23:56 2014 From: david.wagle at gmail.com (David Wagle) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2014 09:23:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Will GNU/Linux work with a MAC? In-Reply-To: <834FA4AE-AD43-402D-946F-25257C13AED0@me.com> References: <050F8AEC-3999-4040-BF28-809118D98DB3@me.com> <834FA4AE-AD43-402D-946F-25257C13AED0@me.com> Message-ID: <533ACBFC.2040409@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Be a little careful here: There's a real difference between being able to run on an old hardware standard and being able to support an old software standard. The latter requires coding in backward compatible crap, which becomes a support nightmare. The former merely requires that the current OS is compilable onto the platform and that drivers exist for it. Which, for PPC architecture, is the case. As I mentioned, Gentoo still runs just fine on 68k's, which have been out of production for 20 years. And let's not even get started on things like z80s. Now, that does mean that older hardware aficionados are going to be looking for source based distributions more often than not simply because the current distributions aren't goign to be producing the binaries due to a lack of hardware. But that's a long way from saying that the software won't work on the hardware. On 04/01/2014 08:40 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > One thing to keep in mind is PPC has been out of production for a > decade. You want a currently developed platform to work on a > 10-year old (at the newest) architecture. > > Good luck. Just because the OS supports something the software > developer of your packages needs to spend the time and money to > develop for it as well - that's a hard sell. > > I don't support browsers over 5years old in my web development > world because, well, they account for less than 1% of my customer > base. > > -- Ryan Coleman > > > On Mar 31, 2014, at 23:33, paul g > wrote: > >> Thanks Brian, >> >> I read through that information and then the comments as well >> found in the following link you sent. >> >> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-7-wheezy-install-flash-player/ >> >> >> I noted comment number 10 and 12. Comment 10 states: 'there may >> possibly be no backports for PowerPC'. Comment 12 states: You can >> use ftp or http. The package is available only for i386 and >> amd64.<----That is some cause for concern. >> >> I just spent the last few hours starting to try to understand >> about 4 pages in the Gentoo installation manual for PowerPC >> referenced in the following link. >> >> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-ppc64.xml?part=1&chap=1 >> >> >> Perhaps it's time for me to consider Debian more seriously for this >> Mac truly it seems a little easier to setup for someone with >> little or no experience such as me with linux. >> >> Obviously the thought of getting 15 or maybe 20 years out of >> something like Gentoo has it's reward's and is worth reading >> more. >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >>> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 21:38:30 -0500 From: kc0iog at gmail.com >>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Will >>> GNU/Linux work with a MAC? >>> >>> \On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 7:13 PM, paul g > > wrote: >>>> The thing that is upsetting for me is that Gnome 3 is >>>> preinstalled >> on Debian >>>> Wheezy, I do not like Gnome 3. I have used Debian Wheezy a >>>> little >> bit with a >>>> Sony Viao Laptop I own [it's currently installed on that pc] >>>> as of >> now. >>>> Initally after installation I struggled with >>>> Adobe-flashplayer under iceweasel. Still Adobe-flashplayer is >>>> not installed under >> iceweasel. Can't >>>> login to hotmail or gmail with iceweasel. I have been told >>>> that Google Chrome will support flash on Wheezy. I have not >>>> tried it >> personally yet. >>> >>> There are ISOs for Wheezy using the XFCE desktop. I dropped >>> Gnome a few years ago and haven't looked back. >>> >>> 64 bit: >> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.4.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso >> >> > 32 bit: >> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-7.4.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso >> >> > PPC: >> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-7.4.0-powerpc-xfce-CD-1.iso >> >> > >>> I think you'll find XFCE simple, lightweight, and fast. Much >>> closer to what you're used to with Gnome 2. >>> >>> Flash does work on Wheezy. You need to add the non-free repo, >>> here's a good walkthrough: >>> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-7-wheezy-install-flash-player/ >> >>> > >>> I use flash on my Wheezy box (amd64) without issues. It does >>> seem to work better in Chrome than iceweasel. >>> >>> Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG >>> Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing >> List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List > - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTOsv5AAoJELWzpBXk2k3wyOEH/jQRMk4m4NS2sNWFdEGVUY/l n5x5FqhQ5e6ftyJ6/LHzBDVoFKUgcQu3Zz40EEDcBTm96DVT91O0RsWpYQmpphFC UZs6gsPjAZtgarqsb8o7/vfMNb67dQgk5fxHgp/cnBLrZw0dYx6LYfKEw3JLwXze 0uR6hYiXiF7SLVBIRu4vcDiGZOpE42DRhHIOhTDzwOGllsA8GfR2vp43/R7hfAcA uIqQfCo7DVa7sMdQsXgufea49uuggG6iIs8DeMU4V9Bl2SfWDI59MfAM8PTmNqzT AZZZsPQwYoShmrayj47PNzuCaVShOF0Sj2s0CxxJxHe8FIJsrlyQo+sxyUy1rpc= =iUQX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From erikerik at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 10:58:59 2014 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:58:59 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Email list moderation inquiry In-Reply-To: <5339BA47.1050900@real-time.com> References: <5339BA47.1050900@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Rick Tanner wrote: > Anytime there has been an issue or problem, the list has moderated > itself. > I think this works the vast majority of the time. However as we've seen in the last months (years?), there are several instances where certain users are creating more harm than good, and are driving people away from the list. It is for these specific instance that come along once or twice a year, where more heavy-handed moderation is required. > Do you, as list subscribers, want a person or people in charge of > moderating content? > I *do not* advocate full moderation of the list, nor do I advocate a situation where new list subscribers need to be "approved". What I *would* like, would be the ability for list moderators to put problem users into a penalty box of sorts, by setting enabling moderation for their account. > If so, then the list needs to agree on what is acceptable and not > acceptable to post in the list and a course of action to take when the > unacceptable happens. And another thing to keep in mind, any policy > creation will need to retroactively apply to all subscribers on the > list now. How well is that going to be received? > I think it will be received well. I don't think anyone is suggesting anything drastic. Rather, just giving the tools to a few community members to help mitigate issues that pop up from time to time. Every single other mailing list I'm on (technical or otherwise), has some form of moderation that can be imposed on problem users, or to be enabled on a very short-term basis list-wide to halt flame wars or the such. > If this should proceed, then how are moderators chosen? > I.e., nomination and voting or strictly volunteer or some other > method? How many are allowed? > I think we can put together a list of 2-3 people, bring their names forward to the list, and see if there are any strong objections. If there are, then perhaps we'll need to use a more formal voting process. And the "other duties" such as: (to name a few) > > * How are tasks tracked between moderators to make sure one does not > undo the work of the others? > * Is there a need for any kind of audit trail for moderators and > their moderation actions? > * Is there a chain of command between moderators? > * How are disagreements and policy discussion between moderators > handled? > * What course of actions can a subscriber take dispute a moderation > ruling? > * How is such a dispute handled? > My hope is that any group of moderators would be able to interact with each other in a mutually-respectful manner, not requiring all of the above questions to be fully sorted out, at least initially. With the very low moderation load anticipated, things like task tracking will hopefully not become an issue. With regards to an audit trail, I presume that mailman keeps a log of moderation actions, though I haven't fully looked into it to see if this is true. If some sort of log is required, it could take the form as something as simple as a Google Spreadsheet (perhaps with a web form front-end) that moderators use to log moderation actions. -Erik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuporglue at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 11:15:09 2014 From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 11:15:09 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Email list moderation inquiry In-Reply-To: References: <5339BA47.1050900@real-time.com> Message-ID: I agree with Erik. Having some moderators with a light touch would make this list a more pleasant place. -- Michael Moore On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Erik Anderson wrote: > On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Rick Tanner wrote: > >> Anytime there has been an issue or problem, the list has moderated >> itself. >> > > I think this works the vast majority of the time. However as we've seen in > the last months (years?), there are several instances where certain users > are creating more harm than good, and are driving people away from the > list. It is for these specific instance that come along once or twice a > year, where more heavy-handed moderation is required. > > >> Do you, as list subscribers, want a person or people in charge of >> moderating content? >> > > I *do not* advocate full moderation of the list, nor do I advocate a > situation where new list subscribers need to be "approved". > > What I *would* like, would be the ability for list moderators to put > problem users into a penalty box of sorts, by setting enabling moderation > for their account. > > >> If so, then the list needs to agree on what is acceptable and not >> acceptable to post in the list and a course of action to take when the >> unacceptable happens. And another thing to keep in mind, any policy >> creation will need to retroactively apply to all subscribers on the >> list now. How well is that going to be received? >> > > I think it will be received well. I don't think anyone is suggesting > anything drastic. Rather, just giving the tools to a few community members > to help mitigate issues that pop up from time to time. Every single other > mailing list I'm on (technical or otherwise), has some form of moderation > that can be imposed on problem users, or to be enabled on a very short-term > basis list-wide to halt flame wars or the such. > > >> If this should proceed, then how are moderators chosen? >> I.e., nomination and voting or strictly volunteer or some other >> method? How many are allowed? >> > > I think we can put together a list of 2-3 people, bring their names > forward to the list, and see if there are any strong objections. If there > are, then perhaps we'll need to use a more formal voting process. > > And the "other duties" such as: (to name a few) >> >> * How are tasks tracked between moderators to make sure one does not >> undo the work of the others? >> * Is there a need for any kind of audit trail for moderators and >> their moderation actions? >> * Is there a chain of command between moderators? >> * How are disagreements and policy discussion between moderators >> handled? >> * What course of actions can a subscriber take dispute a moderation >> ruling? >> * How is such a dispute handled? >> > > My hope is that any group of moderators would be able to interact with > each other in a mutually-respectful manner, not requiring all of the above > questions to be fully sorted out, at least initially. With the very low > moderation load anticipated, things like task tracking will hopefully not > become an issue. With regards to an audit trail, I presume that mailman > keeps a log of moderation actions, though I haven't fully looked into it to > see if this is true. If some sort of log is required, it could take the > form as something as simple as a Google Spreadsheet (perhaps with a web > form front-end) that moderators use to log moderation actions. > > -Erik > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From blutgens at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 12:19:56 2014 From: blutgens at gmail.com (Ben) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 12:19:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Email list moderation inquiry In-Reply-To: References: <5339BA47.1050900@real-time.com> Message-ID: And maybe a little bit of this: http://i.imgur.com/Gj6Mn.gif =) On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Shawn Fertch wrote: > On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Michael Moore wrote: > >> I agree with Erik. >> >> Having some moderators with a light touch would make this list a more >> pleasant place. >> > > I'm just going to put this out there... > > http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n485/sfertch/bloomcty.jpg > > > -- > -Shawn > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens Linux / Unix System Administrator Three of your friends throw up after eating chicken salad. Do you think: "I should find more robust friends" or "we should check that refrigerator"? -- Donald Becker, on vortex-bug, suspecting a network-wide problem -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 12:30:16 2014 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 12:30:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Email list moderation inquiry In-Reply-To: References: <5339BA47.1050900@real-time.com> Message-ID: My opinion is that the list is usually not too badly affected by the occasional weird or offensive post. The thing that really messes us up is the much larger number of posts about those posts. (That would include this thread on moderation and, ironically, this message!) The more we *ignore* that kind of thing, the better off we are. Another good plan is to write to the offending individual directly without cc'ing to the list. That way he or she may receive many more messages about the problematic posting and it won't clutter the list. If you post to the list, then many people will feel like it's been taken care of and they don't need to send a message. When a thread gets hijacked into a battle over netiquette or similar non-Linux issues, we all lose. If one person says annoying things, I can block that person or disregard him, but if 20 people send replies to that person, then I see all their crap and it's harder to deal with it. Mike From tclug at beitsahour.net Tue Apr 1 12:35:52 2014 From: tclug at beitsahour.net (Munir Nassar) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 12:35:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Email list moderation inquiry In-Reply-To: <5339BA47.1050900@real-time.com> References: <5339BA47.1050900@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Rick Tanner wrote: > Do you, as list subscribers, want a person or people in charge of > moderating content? no. From cncole at earthlink.net Tue Apr 1 13:07:57 2014 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 13:07:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Email list moderation inquiry In-Reply-To: References: <5339BA47.1050900@real-time.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Munir Nassar > On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Rick Tanner > wrote: > > > Do you, as list subscribers, want a person or people in charge of > > moderating content? > > no. +1 Chuck From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Tue Apr 1 13:14:00 2014 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (kelly) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2014 13:14:00 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Email list moderation inquiry References: <5339BA47.1050900@real-time.com> Message-ID: <533B01E8-0006FCFC@penguinpackets.com> ? > Tue Apr 01 2014 01:07:57 PM CDTfrom "Chuck Cole" >Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Email list moderation inquiry > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org >>[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Munir Nassar >> >>On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Rick Tanner >> wrote: >> >> >>>Do you, as list subscribers, want a person or people in charge of >>>moderating content? >>> >>> >> no. >> >> > +1 > >Chuck > > > > Seconded to the second second. Kelly ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lkateley at kateley.com Tue Apr 1 13:50:51 2014 From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2014 13:50:51 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Email list moderation inquiry In-Reply-To: References: <5339BA47.1050900@real-time.com> Message-ID: <533B0A8B.6010908@kateley.com> +1 I have always thought opensource community are like growing up(when i was a kid).. the older kids, who know and have been there, try to help the younger ones learn, or they beat the crap out of them.. or just hit delete. On 4/1/14, 12:30 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > My opinion is that the list is usually not too badly affected by the > occasional weird or offensive post. The thing that really messes us > up is the much larger number of posts about those posts. (That would > include this thread on moderation and, ironically, this message!) > > The more we *ignore* that kind of thing, the better off we are. > Another good plan is to write to the offending individual directly > without cc'ing to the list. That way he or she may receive many more > messages about the problematic posting and it won't clutter the list. > If you post to the list, then many people will feel like it's been > taken care of and they don't need to send a message. > > When a thread gets hijacked into a battle over netiquette or similar > non-Linux issues, we all lose. If one person says annoying things, I > can block that person or disregard him, but if 20 people send replies > to that person, then I see all their crap and it's harder to deal with > it. > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 15:40:45 2014 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 15:40:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] interesting "feature" of the GNU du command Message-ID: I thought this issue was caused by a bug in the GNU du code, and I'm still not sure that it isn't, but it might be caused by bugs in file systems or NFS. I'm using this version of du: $ du --version du (GNU coreutils) 8.4 Copyright (C) 2010 Free Software Foundation, Inc. I'm using one of the MSI supercomputers. The /project/guanwh directory is NFS mounted. Here's the kind of thing I'm seeing: $ du -sh /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ 41G /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ $ du -sm /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ 41171 /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ $ du -sb /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ 65435522887 /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ $ du -sm /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ 41299 /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ $ du -sh /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ 41G /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ Those commands were run seconds apart while a file transfer was increasing the amount of disk used. What you are seeing is that the result with -b (bytes) is correct, or at least nearly so, while the results with -m and -h are off by many gigabytes. I am in the process of transferring files into that directory, but I don't see why options -m, -h and -b should give wildly different numbers! I'm wondering if the problem I'm having has to do with NFS mounting. There is a known issue: https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/du-invocation.html "On BSD systems, du reports sizes that are half the correct values for files that are NFS-mounted from HP-UX systems. On HP-UX systems, it reports sizes that are twice the correct values for files that are NFS-mounted from BSD systems. This is due to a flaw in HP-UX; it also affects the HP-UX du program." I am seeing usage with -sb that is 50% larger than that with -sB KB (or -sB MB or -sB GB). For me, the message is to use -sb instead of -sh. The latter gives a nice compact result, but it is probably reading numbers of file blocks and those can have different meanings and cause different results. Mike From blutgens at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 15:59:38 2014 From: blutgens at gmail.com (Ben) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 15:59:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] interesting "feature" of the GNU du command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -h will always be different from the actual disk usage, you might also want to play around with -B option too. Honestly though, NFS has never been particularly good with stuff like this. What happens when you use --apparent-size option. --apparent-size print apparent sizes, rather than disk usage; although the apparent size is usually smaller, it may be larger due to holes in ('sparse') files, internal fragmentation, indirect blocks, and the like On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > I thought this issue was caused by a bug in the GNU du code, and I'm still > not sure that it isn't, but it might be caused by bugs in file systems or > NFS. I'm using this version of du: > > $ du --version > du (GNU coreutils) 8.4 > Copyright (C) 2010 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > > I'm using one of the MSI supercomputers. The /project/guanwh directory is > NFS mounted. Here's the kind of thing I'm seeing: > > $ du -sh /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ > 41G /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ > > $ du -sm /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ > 41171 /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ > > $ du -sb /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ > 65435522887 /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ > > $ du -sm /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ > 41299 /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ > > $ du -sh /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ > 41G /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ > > Those commands were run seconds apart while a file transfer was increasing > the amount of disk used. > > What you are seeing is that the result with -b (bytes) is correct, or at > least nearly so, while the results with -m and -h are off by many > gigabytes. I am in the process of transferring files into that directory, > but I don't see why options -m, -h and -b should give wildly different > numbers! > > I'm wondering if the problem I'm having has to do with NFS mounting. There > is a known issue: > > https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/du-invocation.html > > "On BSD systems, du reports sizes that are half the correct values for > files that are NFS-mounted from HP-UX systems. On HP-UX systems, it reports > sizes that are twice the correct values for files that are NFS-mounted from > BSD systems. This is due to a flaw in HP-UX; it also affects the HP-UX du > program." > > I am seeing usage with -sb that is 50% larger than that with -sB KB (or > -sB MB or -sB GB). > > For me, the message is to use -sb instead of -sh. The latter gives a nice > compact result, but it is probably reading numbers of file blocks and those > can have different meanings and cause different results. > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Ben Lutgens Linux / Unix System Administrator Three of your friends throw up after eating chicken salad. Do you think: "I should find more robust friends" or "we should check that refrigerator"? -- Donald Becker, on vortex-bug, suspecting a network-wide problem -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Now I get this error: > [Tue Apr 01 17:28:01 2014] [warn] Init: Session Cache is not configured [hint: SSLSessionCache] > [Tue Apr 01 17:28:01 2014] [notice] Digest: generating secret for digest authentication ... > [Tue Apr 01 17:28:01 2014] [notice] Digest: done > [Tue Apr 01 17:28:01 2014] [warn] pid file /var/run/httpd.pid overwritten -- Unclean shutdown of previous Apache run? > [Tue Apr 01 17:28:01 2014] [alert] (2)No such file or directory: getpwuid: couldn't determine user name from uid 4294967295, you probably need to modify the User directive > [Tue Apr 01 17:28:01 2014] [notice] Apache/2.2.27 (FreeBSD) mod_ssl/2.2.27 OpenSSL/1.0.1f configured -- resuming normal operations > [Tue Apr 01 17:28:01 2014] [alert] (2)No such file or directory: getpwuid: couldn't determine user name from uid 4294967295, you probably need to modify the User directive > [Tue Apr 01 17:28:01 2014] [alert] (2)No such file or directory: getpwuid: couldn't determine user name from uid 4294967295, you probably need to modify the User directive > [Tue Apr 01 17:28:01 2014] [alert] (2)No such file or directory: getpwuid: couldn't determine user name from uid 4294967295, you probably need to modify the User directive > [Tue Apr 01 17:28:01 2014] [alert] (2)No such file or directory: getpwuid: couldn't determine user name from uid 4294967295, you probably need to modify the User directive > [Tue Apr 01 17:28:02 2014] [alert] Child 6115 returned a Fatal error... Apache is exiting! > Most of the google references for the alert error are referencing 1.3 and those that aren?t say the User and Group are wrong or missing in httpd.conf - they are definitely correct and reflect valid system users (www, user and group 80). Has anyone experienced this before? I?ve uninstalled pwauth, all references to authnz_external and reinstalled both to no avail. I?m trying to integrate my LDAP installation into a few directories so my photographers have the same user/password prompts for those folders as they do for email and FTP. Thanks! ? Ryan From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Tue Apr 1 21:14:02 2014 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 21:14:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] interesting "feature" of the GNU du command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Apr 2014, Ben wrote: > -h will always be different from the actual disk usage, you might also > want to play around with -B option too. I've done that. Using --si -sB GB gives the same result as --si -sh. Did you think that they would be different? > Honestly though, NFS has never been particularly good with stuff like > this. Well, there is the HP bug reported in the du info page, and recapped below, but are there other problems? > What happens when you use --apparent-size option. > --apparent-size > print apparent sizes, rather than disk usage; although the > apparent size is usually smaller, it may be larger due to holes > in ('sparse') files, internal fragmentation, indirect blocks, > and the like I want to try that, but I'm having this problem right now: $ ls /project/guanwh ls: cannot access /project/guanwh: Stale file handle I tried logging out and logging back in, but that didn't help. They might be working on the issue after I reported it. If it had been something simple, they probably would have told me by now. Mike > On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > >> I thought this issue was caused by a bug in the GNU du code, and I'm still >> not sure that it isn't, but it might be caused by bugs in file systems or >> NFS. I'm using this version of du: >> >> $ du --version >> du (GNU coreutils) 8.4 >> Copyright (C) 2010 Free Software Foundation, Inc. >> >> I'm using one of the MSI supercomputers. The /project/guanwh directory is >> NFS mounted. Here's the kind of thing I'm seeing: >> >> $ du -sh /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ >> 41G /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ >> >> $ du -sm /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ >> 41171 /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ >> >> $ du -sb /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ >> 65435522887 /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ >> >> $ du -sm /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ >> 41299 /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ >> >> $ du -sh /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ >> 41G /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ >> >> Those commands were run seconds apart while a file transfer was increasing >> the amount of disk used. >> >> What you are seeing is that the result with -b (bytes) is correct, or at >> least nearly so, while the results with -m and -h are off by many >> gigabytes. I am in the process of transferring files into that directory, >> but I don't see why options -m, -h and -b should give wildly different >> numbers! >> >> I'm wondering if the problem I'm having has to do with NFS mounting. There >> is a known issue: >> >> https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/du-invocation.html >> >> "On BSD systems, du reports sizes that are half the correct values for >> files that are NFS-mounted from HP-UX systems. On HP-UX systems, it reports >> sizes that are twice the correct values for files that are NFS-mounted from >> BSD systems. This is due to a flaw in HP-UX; it also affects the HP-UX du >> program." >> >> I am seeing usage with -sb that is 50% larger than that with -sB KB (or >> -sB MB or -sB GB). >> >> For me, the message is to use -sb instead of -sh. The latter gives a nice >> compact result, but it is probably reading numbers of file blocks and those >> can have different meanings and cause different results. >> >> Mike >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > > -- > Ben Lutgens > Linux / Unix System Administrator > > Three of your friends throw up after eating chicken salad. Do you think: > "I should find more robust friends" or "we should check that refrigerator"? > -- Donald Becker, on vortex-bug, suspecting a network-wide problem > From n0nas at amsat.org Wed Apr 2 11:24:45 2014 From: n0nas at amsat.org (Doug Reed) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 11:24:45 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Email list moderation inquiry Message-ID: +1 what Mike said. If you can't say something nice, say it privately, not on the list. If you don't like the post, delete it and ignore the sender. If you keep rehashing it like this, all it does is piss off everybody who still hasn't left the list. All comes back to DON'T FEED THE TROLLS. If the original message was innocent, either a civil reply or ignoring it will make the problem go away. Let it die. +1 TRIM YOUR POSTS. It is bad enough having 20 people jump in with excited & upset comments. It is infinitely worse when they add their reply on top of someone else's reply and can't be bothered to trim the last 10 replies off the bottom of their post. I didn't care to read outraged reactions the first time and I don't need to see it again and again and again in steadily lengthening replies. Just pretend you have to print the messages to read them..... Overall I don't think the list needs active moderators, unless perhaps to chastise people who start getting nasty and making personal remarks in reply to what is probably a comment that came out wrong. I'm pretty sure that EVERYONE can think of a time they said something that another person took as a personal attack. It is even easier to mis-understand email since the other person can't see your face or hear your voice to know the intent of the remark. If you don't have a thick hide, you probably don't belong on the Internet. Trying to add enough context and background to make my meaning clear is why my emails are more often counted in pages than in paragraphs. Doug Reed. Lurking in N St Paul. On 4/1/14, tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org wrote: > Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 12:30:16 -0500 (CDT) > From: Mike Miller > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Email list moderation inquiry > > My opinion is that the list is usually not too badly affected by the > occasional weird or offensive post. The thing that really messes us up is > the much larger number of posts about those posts. (That would include > this thread on moderation and, ironically, this message!) > > The more we *ignore* that kind of thing, the better off we are. Another > good plan is to write to the offending individual directly without cc'ing > to the list. That way he or she may receive many more messages about the > problematic posting and it won't clutter the list. If you post to the > list, then many people will feel like it's been taken care of and they > don't need to send a message. > > When a thread gets hijacked into a battle over netiquette or similar > non-Linux issues, we all lose. If one person says annoying things, I can > block that person or disregard him, but if 20 people send replies to that > person, then I see all their crap and it's harder to deal with it. > > Mike From pj.world at hotmail.com Tue Apr 1 19:42:26 2014 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 19:42:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Will GNU/Linux work with a MAC? In-Reply-To: <533ACBFC.2040409@gmail.com> References: , , , , , <050F8AEC-3999-4040-BF28-809118D98DB3@me.com>, , , , , , , , , , , , <834FA4AE-AD43-402D-946F-25257C13AED0@me.com>, <533ACBFC.2040409@gmail.com> Message-ID: I would like to say 'Thank You' about/for all the great help with the following post: [Will GNU/Linux work with a MAC?] It makes me think albit less likely to want to work with a Mac if the end user would prefer a nice Desktop consumer based web experience. <----While operating under Open Source Coding. [Mac Power Book G4]<----noted throughout this posting. Gentoo: Is a favorite topic of study <-----Thank you David Wagle for that. There is alot to learn out there. Thanks, Sincerly, paul g > Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 09:23:56 -0500 > From: david.wagle at gmail.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Will GNU/Linux work with a MAC? > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Be a little careful here: > > There's a real difference between being able to run on an old hardware > standard and being able to support an old software standard. > > The latter requires coding in backward compatible crap, which becomes > a support nightmare. > > The former merely requires that the current OS is compilable onto the > platform and that drivers exist for it. > > Which, for PPC architecture, is the case. > > As I mentioned, Gentoo still runs just fine on 68k's, which have been > out of production for 20 years. And let's not even get started on > things like z80s. > > Now, that does mean that older hardware aficionados are going to be > looking for source based distributions more often than not simply > because the current distributions aren't goign to be producing the > binaries due to a lack of hardware. But that's a long way from saying > that the software won't work on the hardware. > > On 04/01/2014 08:40 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > > One thing to keep in mind is PPC has been out of production for a > > decade. You want a currently developed platform to work on a > > 10-year old (at the newest) architecture. > > > > Good luck. Just because the OS supports something the software > > developer of your packages needs to spend the time and money to > > develop for it as well - that's a hard sell. > > > > I don't support browsers over 5years old in my web development > > world because, well, they account for less than 1% of my customer > > base. > > > > -- Ryan Coleman > > > > > > On Mar 31, 2014, at 23:33, paul g > > wrote: > > > >> Thanks Brian, > >> > >> I read through that information and then the comments as well > >> found in the following link you sent. > >> > >> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-7-wheezy-install-flash-player/ > >> > >> > >> > I noted comment number 10 and 12. Comment 10 states: 'there may > >> possibly be no backports for PowerPC'. Comment 12 states: You can > >> use ftp or http. The package is available only for i386 and > >> amd64.<----That is some cause for concern. > >> > >> I just spent the last few hours starting to try to understand > >> about 4 pages in the Gentoo installation manual for PowerPC > >> referenced in the following link. > >> > >> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-ppc64.xml?part=1&chap=1 > >> > >> > >> > Perhaps it's time for me to consider Debian more seriously for this > >> Mac truly it seems a little easier to setup for someone with > >> little or no experience such as me with linux. > >> > >> Obviously the thought of getting 15 or maybe 20 years out of > >> something like Gentoo has it's reward's and is worth reading > >> more. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> > >> > >>> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 21:38:30 -0500 From: kc0iog at gmail.com > >>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Will > >>> GNU/Linux work with a MAC? > >>> > >>> \On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 7:13 PM, paul g >> > wrote: > >>>> The thing that is upsetting for me is that Gnome 3 is > >>>> preinstalled > >> on Debian > >>>> Wheezy, I do not like Gnome 3. I have used Debian Wheezy a > >>>> little > >> bit with a > >>>> Sony Viao Laptop I own [it's currently installed on that pc] > >>>> as of > >> now. > >>>> Initally after installation I struggled with > >>>> Adobe-flashplayer under iceweasel. Still Adobe-flashplayer is > >>>> not installed under > >> iceweasel. Can't > >>>> login to hotmail or gmail with iceweasel. I have been told > >>>> that Google Chrome will support flash on Wheezy. I have not > >>>> tried it > >> personally yet. > >>> > >>> There are ISOs for Wheezy using the XFCE desktop. I dropped > >>> Gnome a few years ago and haven't looked back. > >>> > >>> 64 bit: > >> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.4.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso > >> > >> > > 32 bit: > >> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/i386/iso-cd/debian-7.4.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso > >> > >> > > PPC: > >> http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.4.0/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-7.4.0-powerpc-xfce-CD-1.iso > >> > >> > > > >>> I think you'll find XFCE simple, lightweight, and fast. Much > >>> closer to what you're used to with Gnome 2. > >>> > >>> Flash does work on Wheezy. You need to add the non-free repo, > >>> here's a good walkthrough: > >>> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-linux-7-wheezy-install-flash-player/ > >> > >>> > > > >>> I use flash on my Wheezy box (amd64) without issues. It does > >>> seem to work better in Chrome than iceweasel. > >>> > >>> Brian _______________________________________________ TCLUG > >>> Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing > >> List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List > > - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTOsv5AAoJELWzpBXk2k3wyOEH/jQRMk4m4NS2sNWFdEGVUY/l > n5x5FqhQ5e6ftyJ6/LHzBDVoFKUgcQu3Zz40EEDcBTm96DVT91O0RsWpYQmpphFC > UZs6gsPjAZtgarqsb8o7/vfMNb67dQgk5fxHgp/cnBLrZw0dYx6LYfKEw3JLwXze > 0uR6hYiXiF7SLVBIRu4vcDiGZOpE42DRhHIOhTDzwOGllsA8GfR2vp43/R7hfAcA > uIqQfCo7DVa7sMdQsXgufea49uuggG6iIs8DeMU4V9Bl2SfWDI59MfAM8PTmNqzT > AZZZsPQwYoShmrayj47PNzuCaVShOF0Sj2s0CxxJxHe8FIJsrlyQo+sxyUy1rpc= > =iUQX > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Tue Apr 1 21:43:03 2014 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 21:43:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] interesting "feature" of the GNU du command In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: Saw your post it's a bit deep for me but this might help. Sorry if I am out of place here. http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/nfs-stale-file-handle-error-and-solution.html How do I fix this problem?a) The best solution is to remount directory from the NFS client using mount command: # umount -f /mnt/local # mount -t nfs nfsserver:/path/to/share /mnt/local First command (umount) forcefully unmount a disk partition /mnt/local (NFS). Thanks, paul g > Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 21:14:02 -0500 > From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] interesting "feature" of the GNU du command > > On Tue, 1 Apr 2014, Ben wrote: > > > -h will always be different from the actual disk usage, you might also > > want to play around with -B option too. > > I've done that. Using --si -sB GB gives the same result as --si -sh. > Did you think that they would be different? > > > > Honestly though, NFS has never been particularly good with stuff like > > this. > > Well, there is the HP bug reported in the du info page, and recapped > below, but are there other problems? > > > > What happens when you use --apparent-size option. > > --apparent-size > > print apparent sizes, rather than disk usage; although the > > apparent size is usually smaller, it may be larger due to holes > > in ('sparse') files, internal fragmentation, indirect blocks, > > and the like > > I want to try that, but I'm having this problem right now: > > $ ls /project/guanwh > ls: cannot access /project/guanwh: Stale file handle > > I tried logging out and logging back in, but that didn't help. They might > be working on the issue after I reported it. If it had been something > simple, they probably would have told me by now. > > Mike > > > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > > > >> I thought this issue was caused by a bug in the GNU du code, and I'm still > >> not sure that it isn't, but it might be caused by bugs in file systems or > >> NFS. I'm using this version of du: > >> > >> $ du --version > >> du (GNU coreutils) 8.4 > >> Copyright (C) 2010 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > >> > >> I'm using one of the MSI supercomputers. The /project/guanwh directory is > >> NFS mounted. Here's the kind of thing I'm seeing: > >> > >> $ du -sh /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ > >> 41G /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ > >> > >> $ du -sm /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ > >> 41171 /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ > >> > >> $ du -sb /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ > >> 65435522887 /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ > >> > >> $ du -sm /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ > >> 41299 /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ > >> > >> $ du -sh /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ > >> 41G /project/guanwh/miller/CHoP/intensity/ > >> > >> Those commands were run seconds apart while a file transfer was increasing > >> the amount of disk used. > >> > >> What you are seeing is that the result with -b (bytes) is correct, or at > >> least nearly so, while the results with -m and -h are off by many > >> gigabytes. I am in the process of transferring files into that directory, > >> but I don't see why options -m, -h and -b should give wildly different > >> numbers! > >> > >> I'm wondering if the problem I'm having has to do with NFS mounting. There > >> is a known issue: > >> > >> https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/du-invocation.html > >> > >> "On BSD systems, du reports sizes that are half the correct values for > >> files that are NFS-mounted from HP-UX systems. On HP-UX systems, it reports > >> sizes that are twice the correct values for files that are NFS-mounted from > >> BSD systems. This is due to a flaw in HP-UX; it also affects the HP-UX du > >> program." > >> > >> I am seeing usage with -sb that is 50% larger than that with -sB KB (or > >> -sB MB or -sB GB). > >> > >> For me, the message is to use -sb instead of -sh. The latter gives a nice > >> compact result, but it is probably reading numbers of file blocks and those > >> can have different meanings and cause different results. > >> > >> Mike > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Ben Lutgens > > Linux / Unix System Administrator > > > > Three of your friends throw up after eating chicken salad. Do you think: > > "I should find more robust friends" or "we should check that refrigerator"? > > -- Donald Becker, on vortex-bug, suspecting a network-wide problem > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Now I get this error: > > >> [Tue Apr 01 17:28:01 2014] [warn] Init: Session Cache is not configured [hint: SSLSessionCache] >> [Tue Apr 01 17:28:01 2014] [notice] Digest: generating secret for digest authentication ... >> [Tue Apr 01 17:28:01 2014] [notice] Digest: done >> [Tue Apr 01 17:28:01 2014] [warn] pid file /var/run/httpd.pid overwritten -- Unclean shutdown of previous Apache run? >> [Tue Apr 01 17:28:01 2014] [alert] (2)No such file or directory: getpwuid: couldn't determine user name from uid 4294967295, you probably need to modify the User directive >> [Tue Apr 01 17:28:01 2014] [notice] Apache/2.2.27 (FreeBSD) mod_ssl/2.2.27 OpenSSL/1.0.1f configured -- resuming normal operations >> [Tue Apr 01 17:28:01 2014] [alert] (2)No such file or directory: getpwuid: couldn't determine user name from uid 4294967295, you probably need to modify the User directive >> [Tue Apr 01 17:28:01 2014] [alert] (2)No such file or directory: getpwuid: couldn't determine user name from uid 4294967295, you probably need to modify the User directive >> [Tue Apr 01 17:28:01 2014] [alert] (2)No such file or directory: getpwuid: couldn't determine user name from uid 4294967295, you probably need to modify the User directive >> [Tue Apr 01 17:28:01 2014] [alert] (2)No such file or directory: getpwuid: couldn't determine user name from uid 4294967295, you probably need to modify the User directive >> [Tue Apr 01 17:28:02 2014] [alert] Child 6115 returned a Fatal error... Apache is exiting! >> > > > Most of the google references for the alert error are referencing 1.3 and those that aren?t say the User and Group are wrong or missing in httpd.conf - they are definitely correct and reflect valid system users (www, user and group 80). > > Has anyone experienced this before? I?ve uninstalled pwauth, all references to authnz_external and reinstalled both to no avail. > > I?m trying to integrate my LDAP installation into a few directories so my photographers have the same user/password prompts for those folders as they do for email and FTP. > > Thanks! > > ? > Ryan > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tompoe at meltel.net Wed Apr 2 17:37:56 2014 From: tompoe at meltel.net (Tom Poe) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2014 17:37:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] off topic Message-ID: <533C9144.7050907@meltel.net> Does anyone follow Twins by online radio? Thanks, Tom From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Apr 2 18:03:52 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2014 18:03:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] off topic In-Reply-To: <533C9144.7050907@meltel.net> References: <533C9144.7050907@meltel.net> Message-ID: <1141F22D-3B99-4466-8272-5D1B7FF52E6F@me.com> The only legal way I know of is through the MLB apps or MLB.com Game Day. But I?m sure you already knew that. On Apr 2, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Tom Poe wrote: > Does anyone follow Twins by online radio? > Thanks, Tom > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But I?m sure you already knew that. > > On Apr 2, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Tom Poe wrote: > >> Does anyone follow Twins by online radio? >> Thanks, Tom >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But I?m sure you already knew that. >> >> On Apr 2, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Tom Poe wrote: >> >> Does anyone follow Twins by online radio? >> Thanks, Tom >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But I?m sure you already knew that. > > Back in the day, before widespread podcasting, I had a Griffin Radio Shark[1] connected to a linux box under my desk at work, tuned to MPR. I created a series of cron jobs to record my favorite MPR shows, run them through an mp3 compressor, and then upload them to my webserver (for easy access). > > I'm sure you could do something similar with a live streaming daemon. I don't believe that Griffin sells the Radio Shark any more, but perusing ebay, it looks like AM/FM USB dongles can be had for ~$15 or so. > > -Erik > [1] http://griffintechnology.com/support/radioshark > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cause COMPILING ALL THE THINGS was faster, dude. > > :) > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erikerik at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 19:07:29 2014 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 19:07:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] off topic In-Reply-To: References: <533C9144.7050907@meltel.net> <1141F22D-3B99-4466-8272-5D1B7FF52E6F@me.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 6:59 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > If it worked I never would have given it up - having the option to listen > to some broadcasts on demand from anywhere would have been too nice to pass > up. Agreed. With most stations live-streaming these days, it's likely not needed, but you could likely pick up one of those cheap RTL-SDR dongles to accomplish the same. 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They're well-supported in linux. > > One can do all sorts of cool stuff with these dongles - homebrew police > scanner (even for the 800 MHz digital systems), decoding weather satellite > images, listening to shortwave radio, etc. Thanks for the info Erik! I had looked at GNU Radio awhile ago but the hardware was in the hundreds of dollars. Glad to see that SDR has come down enough that even a cheapskate like me can afford it :-) Brian From erikerik at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 21:38:15 2014 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 21:38:15 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] off topic In-Reply-To: References: <533C9144.7050907@meltel.net> <1141F22D-3B99-4466-8272-5D1B7FF52E6F@me.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Brian Wall wrote: > Thanks for the info Erik! I had looked at GNU Radio awhile ago but > the hardware was in the hundreds of dollars. Glad to see that SDR has > come down enough that even a cheapskate like me can afford it :-) > You're welcome! If you're interested in learning more about this, you'll have an opportunity at Minnebar 2014[1]. A local geek/ruby dev/ham radio op is going to be giving a talk[2] on what you can do with them. If you (or anyone else) wants to snag a ticket (they're free) for Minnebar, the last batch is going to be released tomorrow (Thursday) at 2:30PM. The first batch of tickets (300 I believe) was released Monday morning, and they were all claimed within 12 minutes or so. So be on your toes at 2:30 tomorrow. :) -Erik (KD0KIM) [1] http://minnestar.org/minnebar/ [2] http://sessions.minnestar.org/sessions/132 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Wed Apr 2 19:12:56 2014 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 19:12:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] off topic In-Reply-To: References: <533C9144.7050907@meltel.net>, <1141F22D-3B99-4466-8272-5D1B7FF52E6F@me.com>, , , , , Message-ID: The RTL-SDR dongle has a Ralink chipset maybe? So one would get many more channels than just am or fm talk radio by using that device? I pulled up the following website. http://www.rtl-sdr.com/buy-rtl-sdr-dvb-t-dongles/ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 19:07:29 -0500 From: erikerik at gmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] off topic On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 6:59 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: If it worked I never would have given it up - having the option to listen to some broadcasts on demand from anywhere would have been too nice to pass up. Agreed. With most stations live-streaming these days, it's likely not needed, but you could likely pick up one of those cheap RTL-SDR dongles to accomplish the same. They're well-supported in linux. One can do all sorts of cool stuff with these dongles - homebrew police scanner (even for the 800 MHz digital systems), decoding weather satellite images, listening to shortwave radio, etc. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Wed Apr 2 22:29:50 2014 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 22:29:50 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] off topic In-Reply-To: References: <533C9144.7050907@meltel.net>, <1141F22D-3B99-4466-8272-5D1B7FF52E6F@me.com>, , , , , , , Message-ID: Erik I hope I am not off line here but I want a ticket to go. Please help me out I live in the cities here post me offline if you have the time [PLEASE]. thanks, paul g Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 21:38:15 -0500 From: erikerik at gmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] off topic On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 8:52 PM, Brian Wall wrote: Thanks for the info Erik! I had looked at GNU Radio awhile ago but the hardware was in the hundreds of dollars. Glad to see that SDR has come down enough that even a cheapskate like me can afford it :-) You're welcome! If you're interested in learning more about this, you'll have an opportunity at Minnebar 2014[1]. A local geek/ruby dev/ham radio op is going to be giving a talk[2] on what you can do with them. If you (or anyone else) wants to snag a ticket (they're free) for Minnebar, the last batch is going to be released tomorrow (Thursday) at 2:30PM. The first batch of tickets (300 I believe) was released Monday morning, and they were all claimed within 12 minutes or so. So be on your toes at 2:30 tomorrow. :) -Erik (KD0KIM) [1] http://minnestar.org/minnebar/ [2] http://sessions.minnestar.org/sessions/132 _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erikerik at gmail.com Wed Apr 2 22:55:27 2014 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 22:55:27 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] off topic In-Reply-To: References: <533C9144.7050907@meltel.net> <1141F22D-3B99-4466-8272-5D1B7FF52E6F@me.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:29 PM, paul g wrote: > Erik I hope I am not off line here but I want a ticket to go. Please help > me out I live in the cities here post me offline if you have the time > [PLEASE]. 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Additionally, for any frequency band you want to receive, you'll need an antenna that's at least an approximate match for that band. You're not going to be able to receive shortwave on the little 700/800MHz antenna that ships with these. :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Wed Apr 2 23:18:15 2014 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 23:18:15 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] off topic In-Reply-To: References: <533C9144.7050907@meltel.net>, <1141F22D-3B99-4466-8272-5D1B7FF52E6F@me.com>, , , , , , , Message-ID: Would you be able to suggest a really cool antenna 'that allows shortwave and the entire mhz band'. I prefer Ralink chipsets because they are what I know 'less about' for certain [rtl-61] native support under kernel 2.6.---.[I am a noob]. At this point why not look into a complete separate 'secondary nic' supporting this entire situation. Why have to use usb 'dongle' when one would prefer the entire device except 'Antenna's' to be in the box. Is it a software issue? Thank you, paul g Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 22:57:22 -0500 From: erikerik at gmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] off topic On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 7:12 PM, paul g wrote: The RTL-SDR dongle has a Ralink chipset maybe? So one would get many more channels than just am or fm talk radio by using that device? I pulled up the following website. Yes, they're technically capable of much more than just OTA TV, AM/FM Radio, etc. How easy it is to get that working is up for debate, though. Additionally, for any frequency band you want to receive, you'll need an antenna that's at least an approximate match for that band. You're not going to be able to receive shortwave on the little 700/800MHz antenna that ships with these. :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Apr 3 00:08:19 2014 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 00:08:19 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] off topic In-Reply-To: References: <533C9144.7050907@meltel.net>, <1141F22D-3B99-4466-8272-5D1B7FF52E6F@me.com>, , , , , , , Message-ID: Paul, One of those antennas is included free with a PC that runs all OS's (and needs no updates) as a prize in Cracker Jack boxes... Just make believe, and it has any feature you wish!! :-) Ordinary laws of physics on this planet don't allow either item without lotsa make believe, but they are common elsewhere :-) Chuck _____ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of paul g Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 11:18 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] off topic Would you be able to suggest a really cool antenna 'that allows shortwave and the entire mhz band'. I prefer Ralink chipsets because they are what I know 'less about' for certain [rtl-61] native support under kernel 2.6.---.[I am a noob]. At this point why not look into a complete separate 'secondary nic' supporting this entire situation. Why have to use usb 'dongle' when one would prefer the entire device except 'Antenna's' to be in the box. Is it a software issue? Thank you, paul g _____ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 22:57:22 -0500 From: erikerik at gmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] off topic On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 7:12 PM, paul g wrote: The RTL-SDR dongle has a Ralink chipset maybe? So one would get many more channels than just am or fm talk radio by using that device? I pulled up the following website. Yes, they're technically capable of much more than just OTA TV, AM/FM Radio, etc. How easy it is to get that working is up for debate, though. Additionally, for any frequency band you want to receive, you'll need an antenna that's at least an approximate match for that band. You're not going to be able to receive shortwave on the little 700/800MHz antenna that ships with these. :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Thu Apr 3 00:09:48 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 00:09:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] off topic In-Reply-To: References: <533C9144.7050907@meltel.net> <1141F22D-3B99-4466-8272-5D1B7FF52E6F@me.com> Message-ID: <69BAD972-3113-4AEB-BFFD-B95F3667BA82@me.com> My online source - I buy product from them fairly regularly: http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna?cmp=LM1 On Apr 2, 2014, at 11:18 PM, paul g wrote: > Would you be able to suggest a really cool antenna 'that allows shortwave and the entire mhz band'. I prefer Ralink chipsets because they are what I know 'less about' for certain [rtl-61] native support under kernel 2.6.---.[I am a noob]. At this point why not look into a complete separate 'secondary nic' supporting this entire situation. Why have to use usb 'dongle' when one would prefer the entire device except 'Antenna's' to be in the box. Is it a software issue? > > Thank you, > > paul g > > Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 22:57:22 -0500 > From: erikerik at gmail.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] off topic > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 7:12 PM, paul g wrote: > The RTL-SDR dongle has a Ralink chipset maybe? So one would get many more channels than just am or fm talk radio by using that device? I pulled up the following website. > > Yes, they're technically capable of much more than just OTA TV, AM/FM Radio, etc. How easy it is to get that working is up for debate, though. Additionally, for any frequency band you want to receive, you'll need an antenna that's at least an approximate match for that band. You're not going to be able to receive shortwave on the little 700/800MHz antenna that ships with these. :) > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Apr 3 01:36:33 2014 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 01:36:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] off topic In-Reply-To: <69BAD972-3113-4AEB-BFFD-B95F3667BA82@me.com> References: <533C9144.7050907@meltel.net> <1141F22D-3B99-4466-8272-5D1B7FF52E6F@me.com> <69BAD972-3113-4AEB-BFFD-B95F3667BA82@me.com> Message-ID: <6B323B7FEA94409289D40795E1B39D2C@d830a> Those are WiFi antennas mostly, and are not "shortwave and the entire mhz band". Not what Paul requested, but good products for their specific "mhz ranges". Most are highly directional. I think Paul seeks a real high gain, all-band, omni-directional antenna. Those are hard to find! :-) Chuck _____ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 12:10 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] off topic My online source - I buy product from them fairly regularly: http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna?cmp=LM1 On Apr 2, 2014, at 11:18 PM, paul g wrote: Would you be able to suggest a really cool antenna 'that allows shortwave and the entire mhz band'. I prefer Ralink chipsets because they are what I know 'less about' for certain [rtl-61] native support under kernel 2.6.---.[I am a noob]. At this point why not look into a complete separate 'secondary nic' supporting this entire situation. Why have to use usb 'dongle' when one would prefer the entire device except 'Antenna's' to be in the box. Is it a software issue? Thank you, paul g _____ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 22:57:22 -0500 From: erikerik at gmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] off topic On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 7:12 PM, paul g wrote: The RTL-SDR dongle has a Ralink chipset maybe? So one would get many more channels than just am or fm talk radio by using that device? I pulled up the following website. Yes, they're technically capable of much more than just OTA TV, AM/FM Radio, etc. How easy it is to get that working is up for debate, though. Additionally, for any frequency band you want to receive, you'll need an antenna that's at least an approximate match for that band. You're not going to be able to receive shortwave on the little 700/800MHz antenna that ships with these. :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Thu Apr 3 01:41:27 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 01:41:27 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] off topic In-Reply-To: <6B323B7FEA94409289D40795E1B39D2C@d830a> References: <533C9144.7050907@meltel.net> <1141F22D-3B99-4466-8272-5D1B7FF52E6F@me.com> <69BAD972-3113-4AEB-BFFD-B95F3667BA82@me.com> <6B323B7FEA94409289D40795E1B39D2C@d830a> Message-ID: And usually come with a number of forms that need signing. And a massive tower? Frequency Range is range, however. Even if the power isn?t great - it?s something to start on :) And I don?t really think Paul knows quite what he was saying by ?the entire mhz band?. On Apr 3, 2014, at 1:36 AM, Chuck Cole wrote: > Those are WiFi antennas mostly, and are not "shortwave and the entire mhz band". Not what Paul requested, but good products for their specific "mhz ranges". Most are highly directional. I think Paul seeks a real high gain, all-band, omni-directional antenna. Those are hard to find! :-) > > Chuck > > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 12:10 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] off topic > > My online source - I buy product from them fairly regularly: http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna?cmp=LM1 > > On Apr 2, 2014, at 11:18 PM, paul g wrote: > >> Would you be able to suggest a really cool antenna 'that allows shortwave and the entire mhz band'. I prefer Ralink chipsets because they are what I know 'less about' for certain [rtl-61] native support under kernel 2.6.---.[I am a noob]. At this point why not look into a complete separate 'secondary nic' supporting this entire situation. Why have to use usb 'dongle' when one would prefer the entire device except 'Antenna's' to be in the box. Is it a software issue? >> >> Thank you, >> >> paul g >> >> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 22:57:22 -0500 >> From: erikerik at gmail.com >> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] off topic >> >> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 7:12 PM, paul g wrote: >> The RTL-SDR dongle has a Ralink chipset maybe? So one would get many more channels than just am or fm talk radio by using that device? I pulled up the following website. >> >> Yes, they're technically capable of much more than just OTA TV, AM/FM Radio, etc. How easy it is to get that working is up for debate, though. Additionally, for any frequency band you want to receive, you'll need an antenna that's at least an approximate match for that band. 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URL: From erikerik at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 02:04:02 2014 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 02:04:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] off topic In-Reply-To: References: <533C9144.7050907@meltel.net> <1141F22D-3B99-4466-8272-5D1B7FF52E6F@me.com> Message-ID: Paul, what Chuck and Ryan are getting at is this: there is no such thing as a "magic" antenna that works great for all frequencies. This is fundamental physics. To give some perspective, 400MHz signals have a wavelength of around 70cm. Shortwave signals, and other HF/LF/ULF signals have wavelengths over 100 meters long. An antenna that works well for one of those will not work for the other. So, pick which bands you're interested in and buy or make and antenna. Especially at the longer end of things, it's trivial to make an Rx-only antenna with a spool of wire. > On Apr 2, 2014, at 23:18, paul g wrote: > > Would you be able to suggest a really cool antenna 'that allows shortwave and the entire mhz band'. I prefer Ralink chipsets because they are what I know 'less about' for certain [rtl-61] native support under kernel 2.6.---.[I am a noob]. At this point why not look into a complete separate 'secondary nic' supporting this entire situation. Why have to use usb 'dongle' when one would prefer the entire device except 'Antenna's' to be in the box. Is it a software issue? From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Apr 3 02:09:24 2014 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 02:09:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] off topic In-Reply-To: References: <533C9144.7050907@meltel.net> <1141F22D-3B99-4466-8272-5D1B7FF52E6F@me.com> <69BAD972-3113-4AEB-BFFD-B95F3667BA82@me.com> <6B323B7FEA94409289D40795E1B39D2C@d830a> Message-ID: <66065B6277B947818DFE3BCB4F23474D@d830a> _____ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 1:41 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] off topic And usually come with a number of forms that need signing. And a massive tower. Frequency Range is range, however. Even if the power isn't great - it's something to start on :) Most of those antennas in your ref are for duplex (two-way) service in WiFi bands (approx/typically 2 & 5 GHz) Paul seeks receive (only) antennas for the service he mentioned... ranging from "shortwave" (typically 3-30MHz) through UHF TV for various broadcast services... (below 2 GHz) And I don't really think Paul knows quite what he was saying by "the entire mhz band". THAT was apparent :-) On Apr 3, 2014, at 1:36 AM, Chuck Cole wrote: Those are WiFi antennas mostly, and are not "shortwave and the entire mhz band". Not what Paul requested, but good products for their specific "mhz ranges". Most are highly directional. I think Paul seeks a real high gain, all-band, omni-directional antenna. Those are hard to find! :-) Chuck _____ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 12:10 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] off topic My online source - I buy product from them fairly regularly: http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna?cmp=LM1 On Apr 2, 2014, at 11:18 PM, paul g wrote: Would you be able to suggest a really cool antenna 'that allows shortwave and the entire mhz band'. I prefer Ralink chipsets because they are what I know 'less about' for certain [rtl-61] native support under kernel 2.6.---.[I am a noob]. At this point why not look into a complete separate 'secondary nic' supporting this entire situation. Why have to use usb 'dongle' when one would prefer the entire device except 'Antenna's' to be in the box. Is it a software issue? Thank you, paul g _____ Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 22:57:22 -0500 From: erikerik at gmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] off topic On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 7:12 PM, paul g wrote: The RTL-SDR dongle has a Ralink chipset maybe? So one would get many more channels than just am or fm talk radio by using that device? I pulled up the following website. Yes, they're technically capable of much more than just OTA TV, AM/FM Radio, etc. How easy it is to get that working is up for debate, though. Additionally, for any frequency band you want to receive, you'll need an antenna that's at least an approximate match for that band. You're not going to be able to receive shortwave on the little 700/800MHz antenna that ships with these. :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So for a full fledged web experience you will possibly end up without 'current' flash on your machine.[period] You will have 'Open Office' <----perform Office duties such as Resumes. Note: the following link concerning MAC specific buttons: http://davespicks.com/writing/programming/mackeys.html#boot DO THIS---->Zap PRAM. cmd-opt-p-r <-----Hold down until 10 chimes. unless you ZAP PRAM nothing will boot in 'open firmware'. <----not even an .iso OR your OS X CD. After zapping PRAM: then---> HOLD: c :key<----during boot.... try it for fun [make sure you have your OS X cd in your cd-rom drive. during this time. [You can just exit out of it by turning your pc off after it boots]. Let me know. then install your OS X original .. who cares you already have your files backed up on your [Flash-Drive]. Sincerly, paul g -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, From: ryanjcole at me.com Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 00:09:48 -0500 To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] off topic My online source - I buy product from them fairly regularly: http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna?cmp=LM1 On Apr 2, 2014, at 11:18 PM, paul g wrote:Would you be able to suggest a really cool antenna 'that allows shortwave and the entire mhz band'. I prefer Ralink chipsets because they are what I know 'less about' for certain [rtl-61] native support under kernel 2.6.---.[I am a noob]. At this point why not look into a complete separate 'secondary nic' supporting this entire situation. Why have to use usb 'dongle' when one would prefer the entire device except 'Antenna's' to be in the box. Is it a software issue? Thank you, paul g Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 22:57:22 -0500 From: erikerik at gmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] off topic On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 7:12 PM, paul g wrote: The RTL-SDR dongle has a Ralink chipset maybe? So one would get many more channels than just am or fm talk radio by using that device? I pulled up the following website. Yes, they're technically capable of much more than just OTA TV, AM/FM Radio, etc. How easy it is to get that working is up for debate, though. Additionally, for any frequency band you want to receive, you'll need an antenna that's at least an approximate match for that band. You're not going to be able to receive shortwave on the little 700/800MHz antenna that ships with these. :) _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list_______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Thu Apr 3 02:19:48 2014 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 02:19:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] off topic In-Reply-To: References: <533C9144.7050907@meltel.net>, <1141F22D-3B99-4466-8272-5D1B7FF52E6F@me.com>, , , , , , , , , Message-ID: Point taken, although who says a person cannot run 3 nics in the box. and obtain proper connectivity. /wlan0 /400MHZ/ABOVE /Shortwave/HF/LF/ULF ideal situation.. I want to buy antennas. Thank you for your time, paul g > From: erikerik at gmail.com > Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 02:04:02 -0500 > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] off topic > > Paul, what Chuck and Ryan are getting at is this: there is no such thing as a "magic" antenna that works great for all frequencies. This is fundamental physics. To give some perspective, 400MHz signals have a wavelength of around 70cm. Shortwave signals, and other HF/LF/ULF signals have wavelengths over 100 meters long. An antenna that works well for one of those will not work for the other. > > So, pick which bands you're interested in and buy or make and antenna. Especially at the longer end of things, it's trivial to make an Rx-only antenna with a spool of wire. > > > On Apr 2, 2014, at 23:18, paul g wrote: > > > > Would you be able to suggest a really cool antenna 'that allows shortwave and the entire mhz band'. I prefer Ralink chipsets because they are what I know 'less about' for certain [rtl-61] native support under kernel 2.6.---.[I am a noob]. At this point why not look into a complete separate 'secondary nic' supporting this entire situation. Why have to use usb 'dongle' when one would prefer the entire device except 'Antenna's' to be in the box. 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Some examples, http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/scanants/2405.html http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/scanants/3587.html or build your own :) The NooElec stick works well http://www.amazon.com/NooElec-RTL-SDR-RTL2832U-Software-Packages/dp/B008S7AVTC needs an adapter from MMCX to antenna cable connector GNU Radio has a build script for Ubuntu and Fedora http://gnuradio.org/redmine/projects/gnuradio/wiki/InstallingGRFromSource Osmocom has some build instructions and apps http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr Some more apps http://www.rtl-sdr.com/tag/fldigi/ http://gqrx.dk/ SDR# Regards, Bob, KA0Q On Thursday 03/04/2014 at 4:19 am, paul g wrote: > > > Thank you for the wonderful link: Would you be able to give any > thought upon. The most industrial Antenna .. as far as things hitting > it like per say ' hail, snow, rain, occasional rocks thrown? This si > serious about antennas. I believe this is a serious subject. > > Thanks, > > > > > From: ryanjcole at me.com > Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 00:09:48 -0500 > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] off topic > > My online source - I buy product from them fairly regularly: > http://www.l-com.com/wireless-antenna?cmp=LM1 > > > On Apr 2, 2014, at 11:18 PM, paul g wrote: >> >> >> >> Would you be able to suggest a really cool antenna 'that allows >> shortwave and the entire mhz band'. I prefer Ralink chipsets because >> they are what I know 'less about' for certain [rtl-61] native support >> under kernel 2.6.---.[I am a noob]. At this point why not look into a >> complete separate 'secondary nic' supporting this entire situation. >> Why have to use usb 'dongle' when one would prefer the entire device >> except 'Antenna's' to be in the box. Is it a software issue? >> >> Thank you, >> >> paul g >> >> >> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 22:57:22 -0500 >> From: erikerik at gmail.com >> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] off topic >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 7:12 PM, paul g wrote: >>> >>> The RTL-SDR dongle has a Ralink chipset maybe? So one would get many >>> more channels than just am or fm talk radio by using that device? I >>> pulled up the following website. >> Yes, they're technically capable of much more than just OTA TV, AM/FM >> Radio, etc. How easy it is to get that working is up for debate, >> though. Additionally, for any frequency band you want to receive, >> you'll need an antenna that's at least an approximate match for that >> band. You're not going to be able to receive shortwave on the little >> 700/800MHz antenna that ships with these. :) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - >> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list_______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Thu, Apr 3, 2014 20:26 The list has not done anything positive for me. I ask a question I get bashed. The way I feel now is way worse than ever participating in the first place. When I look back at it I wish I never had the idea to join. Pity. I've been on vacation and missed the chance to recommend Slackware to this guy. Big sigh. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jus at krytosvirus.com Thu Apr 3 21:13:21 2014 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 21:13:21 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] off topic Message-ID: While not traditional wlan frequency, you can also use 24ghz as it is unlicensed too. I think this going to be mostly used for higher end pt-2-pt radio links as seen in the Ubiquiti Airfiber products for example. -------- Original message -------- From: Ryan Coleman Date:04/03/2014 10:47 AM (GMT-06:00) To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] off topic And WLAN are only three possible bands? 2.4, 4.9 and 5.0-6.3. And 4.9GHz is license-ONLY. If you?re found on that band you could find yourself in a great big world of legal hurt. On Apr 3, 2014, at 10:32 AM, Erik Anderson wrote: On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 2:19 AM, paul g wrote: Point taken, although who says a person cannot run 3 nics in the box. and obtain proper connectivity. /wlan0 /400MHZ/ABOVE /Shortwave/HF/LF/ULF FYI - the RTL-SDR dongles aren't NICs. NIC stands for Network Interface Card - your wifi and ethernet devices are examples of these, but not the SDR dongle. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erikerik at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 21:18:58 2014 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 21:18:58 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] off topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Justin Krejci wrote: > While not traditional wlan frequency, you can also use 24ghz as it is > unlicensed too. Wow, rain fade on that has to be killer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 14:29:09 2014 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:29:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] interesting "feature" of the GNU du command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Apr 2014, Mike Miller wrote: > On Tue, 1 Apr 2014, Ben wrote: > >> -h will always be different from the actual disk usage, you might also >> want to play around with -B option too. > > I've done that. Using --si -sB GB gives the same result as --si -sh. > Did you think that they would be different? Thanks for the suggestions. Now I have answers (below). I was misusing the --si option there. It should be used *instead* of -h, not in conjunction with it. These two commands should do the same thing when the volume in "dir" is in the multi-gigabyte range... du -s --si dir du -sB GB dir ...and so should these two commands: du -sh dir du -sB G dir The first pair will report 1000*1000*1000 bytes and the second will report 1024*1024*1024 bytes. >> What happens when you use --apparent-size option. >> --apparent-size >> print apparent sizes, rather than disk usage; although the >> apparent size is usually smaller, it may be larger due to holes >> in ('sparse') files, internal fragmentation, indirect blocks, >> and the like > > I want to try that, but I'm having this problem right now: > > $ ls /project/guanwh > ls: cannot access /project/guanwh: Stale file handle Yep, you nailed it. That was the issue. If I use --apparent-size, the results are consistent. According to supercomputing staff: "it is not a bug, -b is implies --apparent-size, so to compare its output to -sm/sh you have to include --apparent-size with -sm/-sh as well. "when the apparent size is different from the reported size it is not a bug in du but rather a feature of the filesystem :)" Now I just have to figure out which is the right size for me -- apparent or reported. I guess apparent sizes are the real file sizes. In this example "dir" has about 10,000 files in it with about half being 5 KB and have about 29 MB: $ du -s --si dir 162G dir $ du -s --si --apparent-size dir 143G dir $ du -sb dir 142038799951 dir $ wc -c dir/* | tail -1 142037349967 total One thing to note: It seems that du always rounds up. So if 1.1 GB are used, du will report 2 GB. Mike From david.wagle at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 15:03:43 2014 From: david.wagle at gmail.com (David Wagle) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 15:03:43 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] interesting "feature" of the GNU du command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "apparent size" is the "ls -l" size of the file. which is the "rght" size for you to use is dependent on what you're trying to do. Apparent size is nearly useless for managing disks -- which is usually what you use du for. Say my disk has blocks that are 1KB. If I have a file with the nothing but the letter 'A' in it, that will have an apparent size of 1 byte. But because the smallest block size on my disk is 1KB, that 1 byte file will USE 1 KB of disk space no matter what because the physical data has to be recorded in a block and that block will then be marked 'used.' As an aside, imho, the 'apparent size' option is really a terrible option to include in 'du' and is a violation of the unix philosophy because it has explicitly NOTHING to do with disk management. But that's neither here nor there. On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > On Tue, 1 Apr 2014, Mike Miller wrote: > > On Tue, 1 Apr 2014, Ben wrote: >> >> -h will always be different from the actual disk usage, you might also >>> want to play around with -B option too. >>> >> >> I've done that. Using --si -sB GB gives the same result as --si -sh. Did >> you think that they would be different? >> > > Thanks for the suggestions. Now I have answers (below). > > I was misusing the --si option there. It should be used *instead* of -h, > not in conjunction with it. These two commands should do the same thing > when the volume in "dir" is in the multi-gigabyte range... > > du -s --si dir > du -sB GB dir > > ...and so should these two commands: > > du -sh dir > du -sB G dir > > The first pair will report 1000*1000*1000 bytes and the second will report > 1024*1024*1024 bytes. > > > > What happens when you use --apparent-size option. >>> --apparent-size >>> print apparent sizes, rather than disk usage; although the >>> apparent size is usually smaller, it may be larger due to holes >>> in ('sparse') files, internal fragmentation, indirect blocks, >>> and the like >>> >> >> I want to try that, but I'm having this problem right now: >> >> $ ls /project/guanwh >> ls: cannot access /project/guanwh: Stale file handle >> > > Yep, you nailed it. That was the issue. If I use --apparent-size, the > results are consistent. According to supercomputing staff: > > "it is not a bug, -b is implies --apparent-size, so to compare its output > to -sm/sh you have to include --apparent-size with -sm/-sh as well. > > "when the apparent size is different from the reported size it is not a > bug in du but rather a feature of the filesystem :)" > > Now I just have to figure out which is the right size for me -- apparent > or reported. I guess apparent sizes are the real file sizes. In this > example "dir" has about 10,000 files in it with about half being 5 KB and > have about 29 MB: > > $ du -s --si dir > 162G dir > > $ du -s --si --apparent-size dir > 143G dir > > $ du -sb dir > 142038799951 dir > > $ wc -c dir/* | tail -1 > 142037349967 total > > > One thing to note: It seems that du always rounds up. So if 1.1 GB are > used, du will report 2 GB. > > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.wagle at gmail.com Fri Apr 4 15:05:51 2014 From: david.wagle at gmail.com (David Wagle) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 15:05:51 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] interesting "feature" of the GNU du command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A better way to get the byte count of a file is stat --format=%s On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:03 PM, David Wagle wrote: > "apparent size" is the "ls -l" size of the file. > > which is the "rght" size for you to use is dependent on what you're trying > to do. > > Apparent size is nearly useless for managing disks -- which is usually > what you use du for. > > Say my disk has blocks that are 1KB. If I have a file with the nothing but > the letter 'A' in it, that will have an apparent size of 1 byte. But > because the smallest block size on my disk is 1KB, that 1 byte file will > USE 1 KB of disk space no matter what because the physical data has to be > recorded in a block and that block will then be marked 'used.' > > As an aside, imho, the 'apparent size' option is really a terrible option > to include in 'du' and is a violation of the unix philosophy because it has > explicitly NOTHING to do with disk management. But that's neither here nor > there. > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > >> On Tue, 1 Apr 2014, Mike Miller wrote: >> >> On Tue, 1 Apr 2014, Ben wrote: >>> >>> -h will always be different from the actual disk usage, you might also >>>> want to play around with -B option too. >>>> >>> >>> I've done that. Using --si -sB GB gives the same result as --si -sh. >>> Did you think that they would be different? >>> >> >> Thanks for the suggestions. Now I have answers (below). >> >> I was misusing the --si option there. It should be used *instead* of -h, >> not in conjunction with it. These two commands should do the same thing >> when the volume in "dir" is in the multi-gigabyte range... >> >> du -s --si dir >> du -sB GB dir >> >> ...and so should these two commands: >> >> du -sh dir >> du -sB G dir >> >> The first pair will report 1000*1000*1000 bytes and the second will >> report 1024*1024*1024 bytes. >> >> >> >> What happens when you use --apparent-size option. >>>> --apparent-size >>>> print apparent sizes, rather than disk usage; although the >>>> apparent size is usually smaller, it may be larger due to holes >>>> in ('sparse') files, internal fragmentation, indirect blocks, >>>> and the like >>>> >>> >>> I want to try that, but I'm having this problem right now: >>> >>> $ ls /project/guanwh >>> ls: cannot access /project/guanwh: Stale file handle >>> >> >> Yep, you nailed it. That was the issue. If I use --apparent-size, the >> results are consistent. According to supercomputing staff: >> >> "it is not a bug, -b is implies --apparent-size, so to compare its output >> to -sm/sh you have to include --apparent-size with -sm/-sh as well. >> >> "when the apparent size is different from the reported size it is not a >> bug in du but rather a feature of the filesystem :)" >> >> Now I just have to figure out which is the right size for me -- apparent >> or reported. I guess apparent sizes are the real file sizes. In this >> example "dir" has about 10,000 files in it with about half being 5 KB and >> have about 29 MB: >> >> $ du -s --si dir >> 162G dir >> >> $ du -s --si --apparent-size dir >> 143G dir >> >> $ du -sb dir >> 142038799951 dir >> >> $ wc -c dir/* | tail -1 >> 142037349967 total >> >> >> One thing to note: It seems that du always rounds up. So if 1.1 GB are >> used, du will report 2 GB. >> >> >> Mike >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jus at krytosvirus.com Fri Apr 4 17:48:27 2014 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 17:48:27 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] off topic Message-ID: We've several in town and falling rain/snow is not a problem at all over distances of up to a handful of miles. Looking at one at random, over the last 24 hours I'd say the signal strength fluctuated by no more than about 1dB in total. Over many miles it would be considerably more noticeable I would guess as you imply. -------- Original message -------- From: Erik Anderson Date:04/03/2014 9:18 PM (GMT-06:00) To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] off topic On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Justin Krejci wrote: While not traditional wlan frequency, you can also use 24ghz as it is unlicensed too. Wow, rain fade on that has to be killer. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Fri Apr 4 17:52:58 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 17:52:58 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] off topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2.4ghz or 24ghz? -- Ryan Coleman > On Apr 4, 2014, at 17:48, Justin Krejci wrote: > > We've several in town and falling rain/snow is not a problem at all over distances of up to a handful of miles. Looking at one at random, over the last 24 hours I'd say the signal strength fluctuated by no more than about 1dB in total. > > Over many miles it would be considerably more noticeable I would guess as you imply. > > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Erik Anderson > Date:04/03/2014 9:18 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] off topic > >> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Justin Krejci wrote: >> While not traditional wlan frequency, you can also use 24ghz as it is unlicensed too. > > > Wow, rain fade on that has to be killer. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Looking at one at random, over the last 24 hours I'd say the signal strength fluctuated by no more than about 1dB in total. > > Over many miles it would be considerably more noticeable I would guess as you imply. > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Erik Anderson > Date:04/03/2014 9:18 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] off topic > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Justin Krejci wrote: > While not traditional wlan frequency, you can also use 24ghz as it is unlicensed too. > Wow, rain fade on that has to be killer. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list [1] _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list [1] Links: ------ [1] http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sat Apr 5 12:50:57 2014 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 12:50:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] interesting "feature" of the GNU du command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, David. I thought that was the issue -- that apparent size would not include overhead, so I was not able to understand why I was getting apparent size that was smaller than ondisk size. After they moved my data to a different array, that difference reversed direction. This was explained to me last night: "on the old project spaces, zfs did some compression on the data so the apparent-size was larger than the ondisk size." So, compression is also an issue, and I wouldn't have thought of that. Now that there is no compression, I see that ondisk usage is 20GB more than apparent size: $ \du -sB GB --apparent-size miller 146GB miller $ \du -sB GB miller 166GB miller $ find miller | wc -l 9908 So there are about 2 million bytes of overhead per file, which seems like a lot, to me. I would think that implies disk blocks of multiple megabytes, which seems unlikely. There must be more that I don't understand. Regarding your idea (David)... > As an aside, imho, the 'apparent size' option is really a terrible > option to include in 'du' and is a violation of the unix philosophy > because it has explicitly NOTHING to do with disk management. But that's > neither here nor there. > > A better way to get the byte count of a file is > > stat --format=%s ...I guess you mean that we should do something like this to get the totals for a directory and contents: $ find miller -print0 | xargs -0 stat --format=%s | awk '{sum+=$1}END{print sum}' 145159848954 OK, that does work, but how horrible is it that I can get exactly the same answer like so: $ du -sb miller 145159848954 miller Of course it's worse if you want to do multiple directories at once. That's a violation of unix philosophy? It isn't true that it has nothing to do with disk management. For example, when moving files between systems, it might help a lot to know the actual size. What if I want to make a .tar file from a directory? How large will that file be? How much space will the files take up on tape? If I'm using tar for tape backup, I think the size will be given by --apparent-size, not by ondisk size. Mike On Fri, 4 Apr 2014, David Wagle wrote: > "apparent size" is the "ls -l" size of the file. > > which is the "rght" size for you to use is dependent on what you're trying > to do. > > Apparent size is nearly useless for managing disks -- which is usually what > you use du for. > > Say my disk has blocks that are 1KB. If I have a file with the nothing but > the letter 'A' in it, that will have an apparent size of 1 byte. But > because the smallest block size on my disk is 1KB, that 1 byte file will > USE 1 KB of disk space no matter what because the physical data has to be > recorded in a block and that block will then be marked 'used.' > > As an aside, imho, the 'apparent size' option is really a terrible option > to include in 'du' and is a violation of the unix philosophy because it has > explicitly NOTHING to do with disk management. But that's neither here nor > there. On Fri, 4 Apr 2014, David Wagle wrote: > "apparent size" is the "ls -l" size of the file. > > which is the "rght" size for you to use is dependent on what you're trying > to do. > > Apparent size is nearly useless for managing disks -- which is usually what > you use du for. > > Say my disk has blocks that are 1KB. If I have a file with the nothing but > the letter 'A' in it, that will have an apparent size of 1 byte. But > because the smallest block size on my disk is 1KB, that 1 byte file will > USE 1 KB of disk space no matter what because the physical data has to be > recorded in a block and that block will then be marked 'used.' > > As an aside, imho, the 'apparent size' option is really a terrible option > to include in 'du' and is a violation of the unix philosophy because it has > explicitly NOTHING to do with disk management. But that's neither here nor > there. > > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > >> On Tue, 1 Apr 2014, Mike Miller wrote: >> >> On Tue, 1 Apr 2014, Ben wrote: >>> >>> -h will always be different from the actual disk usage, you might also >>>> want to play around with -B option too. >>>> >>> >>> I've done that. Using --si -sB GB gives the same result as --si -sh. Did >>> you think that they would be different? >>> >> >> Thanks for the suggestions. Now I have answers (below). >> >> I was misusing the --si option there. It should be used *instead* of -h, >> not in conjunction with it. These two commands should do the same thing >> when the volume in "dir" is in the multi-gigabyte range... >> >> du -s --si dir >> du -sB GB dir >> >> ...and so should these two commands: >> >> du -sh dir >> du -sB G dir >> >> The first pair will report 1000*1000*1000 bytes and the second will report >> 1024*1024*1024 bytes. >> >> >> >> What happens when you use --apparent-size option. >>>> --apparent-size >>>> print apparent sizes, rather than disk usage; although the >>>> apparent size is usually smaller, it may be larger due to holes >>>> in ('sparse') files, internal fragmentation, indirect blocks, >>>> and the like >>>> >>> >>> I want to try that, but I'm having this problem right now: >>> >>> $ ls /project/guanwh >>> ls: cannot access /project/guanwh: Stale file handle >>> >> >> Yep, you nailed it. That was the issue. If I use --apparent-size, the >> results are consistent. According to supercomputing staff: >> >> "it is not a bug, -b is implies --apparent-size, so to compare its output >> to -sm/sh you have to include --apparent-size with -sm/-sh as well. >> >> "when the apparent size is different from the reported size it is not a >> bug in du but rather a feature of the filesystem :)" >> >> Now I just have to figure out which is the right size for me -- apparent >> or reported. I guess apparent sizes are the real file sizes. In this >> example "dir" has about 10,000 files in it with about half being 5 KB and >> have about 29 MB: >> >> $ du -s --si dir >> 162G dir >> >> $ du -s --si --apparent-size dir >> 143G dir >> >> $ du -sb dir >> 142038799951 dir >> >> $ wc -c dir/* | tail -1 >> 142037349967 total >> >> >> One thing to note: It seems that du always rounds up. So if 1.1 GB are >> used, du will report 2 GB. >> >> >> Mike >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > From david.wagle at gmail.com Sat Apr 5 14:20:40 2014 From: david.wagle at gmail.com (David Wagle) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 14:20:40 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] interesting "feature" of the GNU du command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: why it violates the unix philosophy - in my mind - is that apparent size has nothing to do with he primary function of du - which is to display disk usage. And the unix philosophy is to do one thing and do it well. the apparent size flag for du is trying to get du to do things that other utilities already do. On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > Thanks, David. I thought that was the issue -- that apparent size would > not include overhead, so I was not able to understand why I was getting > apparent size that was smaller than ondisk size. After they moved my data > to a different array, that difference reversed direction. This was > explained to me last night: > > "on the old project spaces, zfs did some compression on the data so the > apparent-size was larger than the ondisk size." > > So, compression is also an issue, and I wouldn't have thought of that. > > Now that there is no compression, I see that ondisk usage is 20GB more > than apparent size: > > $ \du -sB GB --apparent-size miller > 146GB miller > > $ \du -sB GB miller > 166GB miller > > $ find miller | wc -l > 9908 > > So there are about 2 million bytes of overhead per file, which seems like > a lot, to me. I would think that implies disk blocks of multiple > megabytes, which seems unlikely. There must be more that I don't > understand. > > Regarding your idea (David)... > > As an aside, imho, the 'apparent size' option is really a terrible option >> to include in 'du' and is a violation of the unix philosophy because it has >> explicitly NOTHING to do with disk management. But that's neither here nor >> there. >> >> A better way to get the byte count of a file is >> >> stat --format=%s >> > > ...I guess you mean that we should do something like this to get the > totals for a directory and contents: > > $ find miller -print0 | xargs -0 stat --format=%s | awk > '{sum+=$1}END{print sum}' > 145159848954 > > OK, that does work, but how horrible is it that I can get exactly the same > answer like so: > > $ du -sb miller > 145159848954 miller > > Of course it's worse if you want to do multiple directories at once. > > That's a violation of unix philosophy? It isn't true that it has nothing > to do with disk management. For example, when moving files between > systems, it might help a lot to know the actual size. What if I want to > make a .tar file from a directory? How large will that file be? How much > space will the files take up on tape? If I'm using tar for tape backup, I > think the size will be given by --apparent-size, not by ondisk size. > > Mike > > > > On Fri, 4 Apr 2014, David Wagle wrote: > > "apparent size" is the "ls -l" size of the file. >> >> which is the "rght" size for you to use is dependent on what you're trying >> to do. >> >> Apparent size is nearly useless for managing disks -- which is usually >> what >> you use du for. >> >> Say my disk has blocks that are 1KB. If I have a file with the nothing but >> the letter 'A' in it, that will have an apparent size of 1 byte. But >> because the smallest block size on my disk is 1KB, that 1 byte file will >> USE 1 KB of disk space no matter what because the physical data has to be >> recorded in a block and that block will then be marked 'used.' >> >> As an aside, imho, the 'apparent size' option is really a terrible option >> to include in 'du' and is a violation of the unix philosophy because it >> has >> explicitly NOTHING to do with disk management. But that's neither here nor >> there. >> > > > > > On Fri, 4 Apr 2014, David Wagle wrote: > > "apparent size" is the "ls -l" size of the file. >> >> which is the "rght" size for you to use is dependent on what you're trying >> to do. >> >> Apparent size is nearly useless for managing disks -- which is usually >> what >> you use du for. >> >> Say my disk has blocks that are 1KB. If I have a file with the nothing but >> the letter 'A' in it, that will have an apparent size of 1 byte. But >> because the smallest block size on my disk is 1KB, that 1 byte file will >> USE 1 KB of disk space no matter what because the physical data has to be >> recorded in a block and that block will then be marked 'used.' >> >> As an aside, imho, the 'apparent size' option is really a terrible option >> to include in 'du' and is a violation of the unix philosophy because it >> has >> explicitly NOTHING to do with disk management. But that's neither here nor >> there. >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Mike Miller wrote: >> >> On Tue, 1 Apr 2014, Mike Miller wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, 1 Apr 2014, Ben wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> -h will always be different from the actual disk usage, you might also >>>> >>>>> want to play around with -B option too. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I've done that. Using --si -sB GB gives the same result as --si -sh. >>>> Did >>>> you think that they would be different? >>>> >>>> >>> Thanks for the suggestions. Now I have answers (below). >>> >>> I was misusing the --si option there. It should be used *instead* of -h, >>> not in conjunction with it. These two commands should do the same thing >>> when the volume in "dir" is in the multi-gigabyte range... >>> >>> du -s --si dir >>> du -sB GB dir >>> >>> ...and so should these two commands: >>> >>> du -sh dir >>> du -sB G dir >>> >>> The first pair will report 1000*1000*1000 bytes and the second will >>> report >>> 1024*1024*1024 bytes. >>> >>> >>> >>> What happens when you use --apparent-size option. >>> >>>> --apparent-size >>>>> print apparent sizes, rather than disk usage; although the >>>>> apparent size is usually smaller, it may be larger due to holes >>>>> in ('sparse') files, internal fragmentation, indirect blocks, >>>>> and the like >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I want to try that, but I'm having this problem right now: >>>> >>>> $ ls /project/guanwh >>>> ls: cannot access /project/guanwh: Stale file handle >>>> >>>> >>> Yep, you nailed it. That was the issue. If I use --apparent-size, the >>> results are consistent. According to supercomputing staff: >>> >>> "it is not a bug, -b is implies --apparent-size, so to compare its output >>> to -sm/sh you have to include --apparent-size with -sm/-sh as well. >>> >>> "when the apparent size is different from the reported size it is not a >>> bug in du but rather a feature of the filesystem :)" >>> >>> Now I just have to figure out which is the right size for me -- apparent >>> or reported. I guess apparent sizes are the real file sizes. In this >>> example "dir" has about 10,000 files in it with about half being 5 KB and >>> have about 29 MB: >>> >>> $ du -s --si dir >>> 162G dir >>> >>> $ du -s --si --apparent-size dir >>> 143G dir >>> >>> $ du -sb dir >>> 142038799951 dir >>> >>> $ wc -c dir/* | tail -1 >>> 142037349967 total >>> >>> >>> One thing to note: It seems that du always rounds up. So if 1.1 GB are >>> used, du will report 2 GB. >>> >>> >>> Mike >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kurtis at riseup.net Sat Apr 5 14:10:23 2014 From: kurtis at riseup.net (kurtis at riseup.net) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 19:10:23 -0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Newbie interested in Tails & Coreboot Message-ID: <1ba5af516be219cd83f073244a061323.squirrel@fulvetta.riseup.net> Hello, I'm new to the list. I have been learning how to use Tails, which is based on Debian, over the last year after being a life long Windows user. GNU/Linux has been so much fun to learn, but I don't know a lot of people locally that use it, so I'm glad to have run in to your group's website. I'm curious, does anyone else on this list use Tails? Also, does anyone use Coreboot for their Bios? I'm trying to transition to a system free of any blobs, including the Bios. I look forward to meeting everyone and chatting on this List with you all. I'm from Minneapolis. Lastly, don't you guys use GNU/Linux? Or do you truly only use Linux by itself? Shouldn't your group be called TC GLUG? In Libre, Kurtis From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sat Apr 5 18:58:04 2014 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 18:58:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] interesting "feature" of the GNU du command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 5 Apr 2014, David Wagle wrote: > why it violates the unix philosophy - in my mind - is that apparent size > has nothing to do with he primary function of du - which is to display > disk usage. And the unix philosophy is to do one thing and do it well. > > the apparent size flag for du is trying to get du to do things that > other utilities already do. Do you mean like find + xargs + awk working in combination... $ find miller -print0 | xargs -0 stat --format=%s | awk '{sum+=$1}END{print sum}' 145159848954 ...(adding a for loop to deal with a list of directories), or do you mean that some utility actually does this? What was wrong with my argument about the space that would be used on a tape if the files were to be written to tape via tar command? What was wrong with my argument about the size of the files on a compressed disk? Mike From samael.anon at gmail.com Sat Apr 5 22:22:49 2014 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 22:22:49 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Remove me from the list. In-Reply-To: <533e10ea.6a99ec0a.66a9.1545@mx.google.com> References: <533e10ea.6a99ec0a.66a9.1545@mx.google.com> Message-ID: i thought we were in for life. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Bob De Mars wrote: > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "paul g" > To: "tclug-list at mn-linux.org" > Subject: [tclug-list] Remove me from the list. > Date: Thu, Apr 3, 2014 20:26 > > The list has not done anything positive for me. I ask a question I get bashed. The way I feel now is way worse than ever participating in the first place. When I look back at it I wish I never had the idea to join. > > Pity. I've been on vacation and missed the chance to recommend Slackware to this guy. Big sigh. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From samael.anon at gmail.com Sat Apr 5 22:24:53 2014 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 22:24:53 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Newbie interested in Tails & Coreboot In-Reply-To: <1ba5af516be219cd83f073244a061323.squirrel@fulvetta.riseup.net> References: <1ba5af516be219cd83f073244a061323.squirrel@fulvetta.riseup.net> Message-ID: i use the usb with persistent storage. it is very fast for what it is supposed to do. very impressed. On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 2:10 PM, wrote: > Hello, > > I'm new to the list. I have been learning how to use Tails, which is based > on Debian, over the last year after being a life long Windows user. > GNU/Linux has been so much fun to learn, but I don't know a lot of people > locally that use it, so I'm glad to have run in to your group's website. > > I'm curious, does anyone else on this list use Tails? Also, does anyone > use Coreboot for their Bios? I'm trying to transition to a system free of > any blobs, including the Bios. I look forward to meeting everyone and > chatting on this List with you all. I'm from Minneapolis. > > Lastly, don't you guys use GNU/Linux? Or do you truly only use Linux by > itself? Shouldn't your group be called TC GLUG? > > In Libre, > Kurtis > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kurtis at riseup.net Sun Apr 6 00:54:13 2014 From: kurtis at riseup.net (kurtis at riseup.net) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 05:54:13 -0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Remove me from the list. In-Reply-To: References: <533e10ea.6a99ec0a.66a9.1545@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9205f488681877fcba6281dc27748d26.squirrel@fulvetta.riseup.net> I just signed up and I didn't see anything that said we were in for life. Paul G, are you unable to remove yourself from the list? Samael, is it true that signing up for this List is for our entire lives? I thought the free software movement was all about freedom. If I ever get as upset with the list as Paul G seems to be, I want to be able to leave on my own instead of having to ask the list manager to remove me or to just be stuck here until I'm old and grey. In Libre, Kurtis > i thought we were in for life. > > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Bob De Mars > wrote: > >> ----- Reply message ----- >> From: "paul g" >> To: "tclug-list at mn-linux.org" >> Subject: [tclug-list] Remove me from the list. >> Date: Thu, Apr 3, 2014 20:26 >> >> The list has not done anything positive for me. I ask a question I get >> bashed. The way I feel now is way worse than ever participating in the >> first place. When I look back at it I wish I never had the idea to join. >> >> Pity. I've been on vacation and missed the chance to recommend >> Slackware to this guy. Big sigh. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kurtis at riseup.net Sun Apr 6 00:59:50 2014 From: kurtis at riseup.net (kurtis at riseup.net) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 05:59:50 -0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Newbie interested in Tails & Coreboot In-Reply-To: References: <1ba5af516be219cd83f073244a061323.squirrel@fulvetta.riseup.net> Message-ID: <5788f138fd98fa39a07dc9046b51657e.squirrel@fulvetta.riseup.net> Radical! I want to learn more about persistence in Tails. I have never used persistence. I heard that if you use your computer from the same IP most of the time it is wise to use persistence in order to get persistent guards for Tor. Other than that though, I'm always trying to improve my Tails skills on any level possible. The Snowden reporters recently came out explaining their heavy reliance on Tails, including Minneapolis resident Bruce Schneier who is speaking at the U of M MPLS campus for free on the 14th. Kurtis > i use the usb with persistent storage. it is very fast for what it is > supposed to do. very impressed. > > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 2:10 PM, wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I'm new to the list. I have been learning how to use Tails, which is >> based >> on Debian, over the last year after being a life long Windows user. >> GNU/Linux has been so much fun to learn, but I don't know a lot of >> people >> locally that use it, so I'm glad to have run in to your group's website. >> >> I'm curious, does anyone else on this list use Tails? Also, does anyone >> use Coreboot for their Bios? I'm trying to transition to a system free >> of >> any blobs, including the Bios. I look forward to meeting everyone and >> chatting on this List with you all. I'm from Minneapolis. >> >> Lastly, don't you guys use GNU/Linux? Or do you truly only use Linux by >> itself? Shouldn't your group be called TC GLUG? >> >> In Libre, >> Kurtis >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From david.wagle at gmail.com Sun Apr 6 10:31:22 2014 From: david.wagle at gmail.com (David Wagle) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 10:31:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] interesting "feature" of the GNU du command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Because actual size of a file is part of the detailed statistics of the actual file, NOT of the disk. Thus 'stat' is the tool that does that job. You can stat a directory, you do not need to have awk sum things up for you. On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > On Sat, 5 Apr 2014, David Wagle wrote: > > why it violates the unix philosophy - in my mind - is that apparent size >> has nothing to do with he primary function of du - which is to display disk >> usage. And the unix philosophy is to do one thing and do it well. >> >> the apparent size flag for du is trying to get du to do things that other >> utilities already do. >> > > > Do you mean like find + xargs + awk working in combination... > > > $ find miller -print0 | xargs -0 stat --format=%s | awk > '{sum+=$1}END{print sum}' > 145159848954 > > ...(adding a for loop to deal with a list of directories), or do you mean > that some utility actually does this? > > What was wrong with my argument about the space that would be used on a > tape if the files were to be written to tape via tar command? > > What was wrong with my argument about the size of the files on a > compressed disk? > > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sun Apr 6 11:22:42 2014 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 11:22:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] interesting "feature" of the GNU du command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Apr 2014, David Wagle wrote: > You can stat a directory, you do not need to have awk sum things up for > you. If that is true, then I'll agree with your assessment, but I haven't been able to figure that out. How can it be done? I don't see any documentation. You suggested this command... stat --format=%s ...but when I run it on a directory... stat --format=%s dir ...it does not look at contents and just gives me the file size I get from the ls -ld command: $ stat --format=%s miller 4096 $ ls -ld miller drwxrwxr-x. 3 millerm1 guanwh 4096 Mar 28 12:27 miller That directory contains many gigabytes of files (see below), so 4096 is not the answer we're looking for. Mike > On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > >> On Sat, 5 Apr 2014, David Wagle wrote: >> >> why it violates the unix philosophy - in my mind - is that apparent size >>> has nothing to do with he primary function of du - which is to display disk >>> usage. And the unix philosophy is to do one thing and do it well. >>> >>> the apparent size flag for du is trying to get du to do things that other >>> utilities already do. >>> >> >> >> Do you mean like find + xargs + awk working in combination... >> >> >> $ find miller -print0 | xargs -0 stat --format=%s | awk >> '{sum+=$1}END{print sum}' >> 145159848954 >> >> ...(adding a for loop to deal with a list of directories), or do you mean >> that some utility actually does this? >> >> What was wrong with my argument about the space that would be used on a >> tape if the files were to be written to tape via tar command? >> >> What was wrong with my argument about the size of the files on a >> compressed disk? >> >> >> Mike >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > From eminmn at sysmatrix.net Sun Apr 6 11:38:05 2014 From: eminmn at sysmatrix.net (e.c.) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 11:38:05 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Remove me from the list. In-Reply-To: <9205f488681877fcba6281dc27748d26.squirrel@fulvetta.riseup.net> References: <533e10ea.6a99ec0a.66a9.1545@mx.google.com> <9205f488681877fcba6281dc27748d26.squirrel@fulvetta.riseup.net> Message-ID: That "i thought we were in for life" was a joke. There are (at least) two ways to unsubscribe without bothering the list owner, Rick Tanner: 1) Go to bottom of page at http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list and click on unsubscribe and edit options. Enter your email address and password. Click on unsubscribe. 2) Send an empty email to tclug-leave at mn-linux.org or maybe tclug-list-leave at mn-linux.org Ed On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 12:54 AM, wrote: > I just signed up and I didn't see anything that said we were in for life. > Paul G, are you unable to remove yourself from the list? Samael, is it > true that signing up for this List is for our entire lives? I thought the > free software movement was all about freedom. If I ever get as upset with > the list as Paul G seems to be, I want to be able to leave on my own > instead of having to ask the list manager to remove me or to just be stuck > here until I'm old and grey. > > In Libre, > Kurtis > >> i thought we were in for life. >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Bob De Mars >> wrote: >> >>> ----- Reply message ----- >>> From: "paul g" >>> To: "tclug-list at mn-linux.org" >>> Subject: [tclug-list] Remove me from the list. >>> Date: Thu, Apr 3, 2014 20:26 >>> >>> The list has not done anything positive for me. I ask a question I get >>> bashed. The way I feel now is way worse than ever participating in the >>> first place. When I look back at it I wish I never had the idea to join. >>> >>> Pity. I've been on vacation and missed the chance to recommend >>> Slackware to this guy. Big sigh. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chapinjeff at gmail.com Sun Apr 6 15:22:05 2014 From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 15:22:05 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Remove me from the list. In-Reply-To: References: <533e10ea.6a99ec0a.66a9.1545@mx.google.com> <9205f488681877fcba6281dc27748d26.squirrel@fulvetta.riseup.net> Message-ID: It should also be noted that Paul G was told this after he made his first removal request -- right at the beginning of his... implosion, for lack of a better word. Jeff On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 11:38 AM, e.c. wrote: > That "i thought we were in for life" was a joke. There are (at least) > two ways to unsubscribe without bothering the list owner, Rick Tanner: > > 1) Go to bottom of page at > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list and click on > unsubscribe and edit options. Enter your email address and password. > Click on unsubscribe. > > 2) Send an empty email to tclug-leave at mn-linux.org > or maybe tclug-list-leave at mn-linux.org > > Ed > > On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 12:54 AM, wrote: > > I just signed up and I didn't see anything that said we were in for life. > > Paul G, are you unable to remove yourself from the list? Samael, is it > > true that signing up for this List is for our entire lives? I thought the > > free software movement was all about freedom. If I ever get as upset with > > the list as Paul G seems to be, I want to be able to leave on my own > > instead of having to ask the list manager to remove me or to just be > stuck > > here until I'm old and grey. > > > > In Libre, > > Kurtis > > > >> i thought we were in for life. > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Bob De Mars > >> wrote: > >> > >>> ----- Reply message ----- > >>> From: "paul g" > >>> To: "tclug-list at mn-linux.org" > >>> Subject: [tclug-list] Remove me from the list. > >>> Date: Thu, Apr 3, 2014 20:26 > >>> > >>> The list has not done anything positive for me. I ask a question I get > >>> bashed. The way I feel now is way worse than ever participating in the > >>> first place. When I look back at it I wish I never had the idea to > join. > >>> > >>> Pity. I've been on vacation and missed the chance to recommend > >>> Slackware to this guy. Big sigh. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Jeff Chapin President, CedarLug, retired President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" President, UNI Scuba Club Senator, NISG, retired -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sun Apr 6 18:41:39 2014 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 18:41:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Remove me from the list. In-Reply-To: References: <533e10ea.6a99ec0a.66a9.1545@mx.google.com> <9205f488681877fcba6281dc27748d26.squirrel@fulvetta.riseup.net> Message-ID: Also worth noting: Every message we receive through the list has this information in the message header: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Mike On Sun, 6 Apr 2014, e.c. wrote: > That "i thought we were in for life" was a joke. There are (at least) > two ways to unsubscribe without bothering the list owner, Rick Tanner: > > 1) Go to bottom of page at > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list and click on > unsubscribe and edit options. Enter your email address and password. > Click on unsubscribe. > > 2) Send an empty email to tclug-leave at mn-linux.org > or maybe tclug-list-leave at mn-linux.org From kc0iog at gmail.com Sun Apr 6 20:11:01 2014 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 20:11:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] PVR suggestions? Message-ID: In the process of cleaning my house, I unearthed my old half-working PVR setup. I have a Hauppauge HVR-1600 encoder card and an old broken MythTV install. I am interested in rebuilding this box as a working PVR. Is MythTV still the go-to PVR software or are there alternatives that I should look into? One of the features I want to integrate is DLNA, using a NAS share and a DLNA front end separate from the PVR box. From what I understand DLNA is kind-of-sorta supported in MythTV. Any advice is appreciated. Brian From tclug at freakzilla.com Sun Apr 6 20:17:00 2014 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 20:17:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] PVR suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: MythTV still works fine for that, yeah. I'm on a super-old version of MythTV because the newer MythMusics are terrible, but hey. Still works. Last time I checked, MythTV was still the top at actually scheduling and recording... though setting up the capture card was a pain. Not 100% sure about the whole DLNA thing, since I have no device that does DLNA 100% correctly. Honestly I just save everything to my media server and mount the NFS share on whatever I want to stream to. I can always install specialised server software on the media server if I have a client that needs something specific (for example, I have subsonic to stream music to my Android devices). So depending on your NAS, you can always install some better DLNA serving software. On Sun, 6 Apr 2014, Brian Wall wrote: > In the process of cleaning my house, I unearthed my old half-working > PVR setup. I have a Hauppauge HVR-1600 encoder card and an old broken > MythTV install. > > I am interested in rebuilding this box as a working PVR. Is MythTV > still the go-to PVR software or are there alternatives that I should > look into? > > One of the features I want to integrate is DLNA, using a NAS share and > a DLNA front end separate from the PVR box. From what I understand > DLNA is kind-of-sorta supported in MythTV. > > Any advice is appreciated. > > Brian > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kc0iog at gmail.com Sun Apr 6 20:45:22 2014 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 20:45:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] PVR suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 8:17 PM, wrote: > MythTV still works fine for that, yeah. I'm on a super-old version of MythTV > because the newer MythMusics are terrible, but hey. Still works. Last time I > checked, MythTV was still the top at actually scheduling and recording... > though setting up the capture card was a pain. >From what I remember, the stock capture driver worked pretty well with the card out of the box. That's why I shelled out for that specific card, it had a "works everywhere" chipset. > > Not 100% sure about the whole DLNA thing, since I have no device that does > DLNA 100% correctly. One of these years I'll pick myself up one of them new-fangled Blu-ray players with a DLNA client. Today, I just play with it. I had a Debian DLNA server pointed at my NAS and it seemed to work peachy with Windows Media Player (yeah yeah... I know). I would like to be able to rip DVDs (that I own, yes) and CDs (yes) as well as recorded TV from Myth and retrieve it via DLNA. Last I looked this wasn't working with a lot of extra steps. Thanks for the reply, I will continue the pursuit of an updated Myth box. Brian From tclug at freakzilla.com Sun Apr 6 21:00:51 2014 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 21:00:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] PVR suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi there, On Sun, 6 Apr 2014, Brian Wall wrote: > From what I remember, the stock capture driver worked pretty well with > the card out of the box. That's why I shelled out for that specific > card, it had a "works everywhere" chipset. "Works out of the box" is one thing - I have a hauppauge tuner, too (though a USB one). It works but MythTV's setup was weirder than all hell. Again, it worked, but it's like Configure Capture Card, then Configure an Input Method, then Configure Channels, and I think a few more steps. Totally a Myth thing... they've been making it more and more complex for no apparently reason. Oh, and you need to run a dedicated backend for capture for some reason. Even though my capture card is on my media center PC, not my media server... > One of these years I'll pick myself up one of them new-fangled Blu-ray > players with a DLNA client. Hehe, I'm sure one of the Roku boxes or equivalent (which are like $50 I think?) can do DLNA. At least you'd think so! I have a PS3 which picks up my MythTV "shares" - but it refuses to play any of the media. No video, no audio, nothing. I have no idea what kind of weird formats it wants (it didn't even like my MP3 files). > I would like to be able to rip DVDs (that I own, yes) and CDs (yes) Do NOT apologise for that! I own hundreds of CDs (I may have passed 500, I stopped counting when I was at 300+ and that was several years ago). CDs are still the primary, almost exclusive way I get music. When you have that many CDs the only way to possibly navigate it is to rip them all to a server and play through there. Every CD I get is automatically ripped (in FLAC) to the media server, and then put in a box in the attic (: I've been going through my DVDs and Blu-Ray collection and doing the same, now that I have the disc space... honestly with a lot of the TV shows I have on discs it's easier to, uh, get the versions where someone else did the ripping. Saves times. But yeah, having all my media on a server is incredibly convenient... except that making backups of 10+ terabytes is kinda hard. From kurtis at riseup.net Sun Apr 6 21:01:13 2014 From: kurtis at riseup.net (kurtis at riseup.net) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 02:01:13 -0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Remove me from the list. In-Reply-To: References: <533e10ea.6a99ec0a.66a9.1545@mx.google.com> <9205f488681877fcba6281dc27748d26.squirrel@fulvetta.riseup.net> Message-ID: My comments were a joke of sorts as well. Perhaps not a good idea on my part seeing that I'm new here and have no idea about the context of this situation, but I just wanted to highlight the odd nature of Paul G's request to be removed when he has the power to remove himself at any point in time. Kurtis > That "i thought we were in for life" was a joke. There are (at least) > two ways to unsubscribe without bothering the list owner, Rick Tanner: > > 1) Go to bottom of page at > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list and click on > unsubscribe and edit options. Enter your email address and password. > Click on unsubscribe. > > 2) Send an empty email to tclug-leave at mn-linux.org > or maybe tclug-list-leave at mn-linux.org > > Ed > > On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 12:54 AM, wrote: >> I just signed up and I didn't see anything that said we were in for >> life. >> Paul G, are you unable to remove yourself from the list? Samael, is it >> true that signing up for this List is for our entire lives? I thought >> the >> free software movement was all about freedom. If I ever get as upset >> with >> the list as Paul G seems to be, I want to be able to leave on my own >> instead of having to ask the list manager to remove me or to just be >> stuck >> here until I'm old and grey. >> >> In Libre, >> Kurtis >> >>> i thought we were in for life. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Bob De Mars >>> wrote: >>> >>>> ----- Reply message ----- >>>> From: "paul g" >>>> To: "tclug-list at mn-linux.org" >>>> Subject: [tclug-list] Remove me from the list. >>>> Date: Thu, Apr 3, 2014 20:26 >>>> >>>> The list has not done anything positive for me. I ask a question I get >>>> bashed. The way I feel now is way worse than ever participating in the >>>> first place. When I look back at it I wish I never had the idea to >>>> join. >>>> >>>> Pity. I've been on vacation and missed the chance to recommend >>>> Slackware to this guy. Big sigh. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ryanjcole at me.com Sun Apr 6 21:02:49 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2014 21:02:49 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Remove me from the list. In-Reply-To: References: <533e10ea.6a99ec0a.66a9.1545@mx.google.com> <9205f488681877fcba6281dc27748d26.squirrel@fulvetta.riseup.net> Message-ID: We all saw that. Much like one should not feed a troll, let?s try to stop adding fuel to the fire? ? Ryan On Apr 6, 2014, at 9:01 PM, kurtis at riseup.net wrote: > My comments were a joke of sorts as well. Perhaps not a good idea on my > part seeing that I'm new here and have no idea about the context of this > situation, but I just wanted to highlight the odd nature of Paul G's > request to be removed when he has the power to remove himself at any point > in time. > > Kurtis > >> That "i thought we were in for life" was a joke. There are (at least) >> two ways to unsubscribe without bothering the list owner, Rick Tanner: >> >> 1) Go to bottom of page at >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list and click on >> unsubscribe and edit options. Enter your email address and password. >> Click on unsubscribe. >> >> 2) Send an empty email to tclug-leave at mn-linux.org >> or maybe tclug-list-leave at mn-linux.org >> >> Ed >> >> On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 12:54 AM, wrote: >>> I just signed up and I didn't see anything that said we were in for >>> life. >>> Paul G, are you unable to remove yourself from the list? Samael, is it >>> true that signing up for this List is for our entire lives? I thought >>> the >>> free software movement was all about freedom. If I ever get as upset >>> with >>> the list as Paul G seems to be, I want to be able to leave on my own >>> instead of having to ask the list manager to remove me or to just be >>> stuck >>> here until I'm old and grey. >>> >>> In Libre, >>> Kurtis >>> >>>> i thought we were in for life. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Bob De Mars >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> ----- Reply message ----- >>>>> From: "paul g" >>>>> To: "tclug-list at mn-linux.org" >>>>> Subject: [tclug-list] Remove me from the list. >>>>> Date: Thu, Apr 3, 2014 20:26 >>>>> >>>>> The list has not done anything positive for me. I ask a question I get >>>>> bashed. The way I feel now is way worse than ever participating in the >>>>> first place. When I look back at it I wish I never had the idea to >>>>> join. >>>>> >>>>> Pity. I've been on vacation and missed the chance to recommend >>>>> Slackware to this guy. Big sigh. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kurtis at riseup.net Sun Apr 6 21:06:53 2014 From: kurtis at riseup.net (kurtis at riseup.net) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 02:06:53 -0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Remove me from the list. In-Reply-To: References: <533e10ea.6a99ec0a.66a9.1545@mx.google.com> <9205f488681877fcba6281dc27748d26.squirrel@fulvetta.riseup.net> Message-ID: Understood. Kurtis > We all saw that. > > Much like one should not feed a troll, let?s try to stop adding fuel to > the fire? > ? > Ryan > > On Apr 6, 2014, at 9:01 PM, kurtis at riseup.net wrote: > >> My comments were a joke of sorts as well. Perhaps not a good idea on my >> part seeing that I'm new here and have no idea about the context of this >> situation, but I just wanted to highlight the odd nature of Paul G's >> request to be removed when he has the power to remove himself at any >> point >> in time. >> >> Kurtis >> >>> That "i thought we were in for life" was a joke. There are (at least) >>> two ways to unsubscribe without bothering the list owner, Rick Tanner: >>> >>> 1) Go to bottom of page at >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list and click on >>> unsubscribe and edit options. Enter your email address and password. >>> Click on unsubscribe. >>> >>> 2) Send an empty email to tclug-leave at mn-linux.org >>> or maybe tclug-list-leave at mn-linux.org >>> >>> Ed >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 12:54 AM, wrote: >>>> I just signed up and I didn't see anything that said we were in for >>>> life. >>>> Paul G, are you unable to remove yourself from the list? Samael, is it >>>> true that signing up for this List is for our entire lives? I thought >>>> the >>>> free software movement was all about freedom. If I ever get as upset >>>> with >>>> the list as Paul G seems to be, I want to be able to leave on my own >>>> instead of having to ask the list manager to remove me or to just be >>>> stuck >>>> here until I'm old and grey. >>>> >>>> In Libre, >>>> Kurtis >>>> >>>>> i thought we were in for life. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Bob De Mars >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> ----- Reply message ----- >>>>>> From: "paul g" >>>>>> To: "tclug-list at mn-linux.org" >>>>>> Subject: [tclug-list] Remove me from the list. >>>>>> Date: Thu, Apr 3, 2014 20:26 >>>>>> >>>>>> The list has not done anything positive for me. I ask a question I >>>>>> get >>>>>> bashed. The way I feel now is way worse than ever participating in >>>>>> the >>>>>> first place. When I look back at it I wish I never had the idea to >>>>>> join. >>>>>> >>>>>> Pity. I've been on vacation and missed the chance to recommend >>>>>> Slackware to this guy. Big sigh. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ryanjcole at me.com Sun Apr 6 21:09:05 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2014 21:09:05 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Remove me from the list. In-Reply-To: References: <533e10ea.6a99ec0a.66a9.1545@mx.google.com> <9205f488681877fcba6281dc27748d26.squirrel@fulvetta.riseup.net> Message-ID: <08B6F02D-B45D-4709-8459-2202F8C62C0A@me.com> No problem here :) Now, as a temporary life guard I?m going off the clock on this matter so, please, try not to drown when you get caught in the net. ? Ryan On Apr 6, 2014, at 9:06 PM, kurtis at riseup.net wrote: > Understood. > > Kurtis > >> We all saw that. >> >> Much like one should not feed a troll, let?s try to stop adding fuel to >> the fire? >> ? >> Ryan >> >> On Apr 6, 2014, at 9:01 PM, kurtis at riseup.net wrote: >> >>> My comments were a joke of sorts as well. Perhaps not a good idea on my >>> part seeing that I'm new here and have no idea about the context of this >>> situation, but I just wanted to highlight the odd nature of Paul G's >>> request to be removed when he has the power to remove himself at any >>> point >>> in time. >>> >>> Kurtis >>> >>>> That "i thought we were in for life" was a joke. There are (at least) >>>> two ways to unsubscribe without bothering the list owner, Rick Tanner: >>>> >>>> 1) Go to bottom of page at >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list and click on >>>> unsubscribe and edit options. Enter your email address and password. >>>> Click on unsubscribe. >>>> >>>> 2) Send an empty email to tclug-leave at mn-linux.org >>>> or maybe tclug-list-leave at mn-linux.org >>>> >>>> Ed >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 12:54 AM, wrote: >>>>> I just signed up and I didn't see anything that said we were in for >>>>> life. >>>>> Paul G, are you unable to remove yourself from the list? Samael, is it >>>>> true that signing up for this List is for our entire lives? I thought >>>>> the >>>>> free software movement was all about freedom. If I ever get as upset >>>>> with >>>>> the list as Paul G seems to be, I want to be able to leave on my own >>>>> instead of having to ask the list manager to remove me or to just be >>>>> stuck >>>>> here until I'm old and grey. >>>>> >>>>> In Libre, >>>>> Kurtis >>>>> >>>>>> i thought we were in for life. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Bob De Mars >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Reply message ----- >>>>>>> From: "paul g" >>>>>>> To: "tclug-list at mn-linux.org" >>>>>>> Subject: [tclug-list] Remove me from the list. >>>>>>> Date: Thu, Apr 3, 2014 20:26 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The list has not done anything positive for me. I ask a question I >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> bashed. The way I feel now is way worse than ever participating in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> first place. When I look back at it I wish I never had the idea to >>>>>>> join. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pity. I've been on vacation and missed the chance to recommend >>>>>>> Slackware to this guy. Big sigh. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jus at krytosvirus.com Sun Apr 6 21:49:36 2014 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2014 21:49:36 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] PVR suggestions? Message-ID: Maybe starting to digress from the original topic but Plex media server is pretty much awesome wrapped in kick ass. With Android and ios client software as well as just working in Chrome (maybe other browsers too?) it's basically way super simple for LAN media sharing and with a free myplex account it's easy for online sharing with friends and family or yourself when out and about.? It supports multiple media types (movies, TV shows, mp3, etc) and it does its best to sort/inventory your collections plus it can pull in TV channels from many stations via the Internet, it's pretty much awesome.?It's in the apt repository so it's cake to install too.? It supports DLNA and probably several other acronyms; it's what I like to call "buzzword compliant." Since my mobile devices are all running Android ?I just use Airdroid to move files to/from my mobile devices. Sorry for the thread hijacking, just had to spill forth some of my enthusiasm a little. -------- Original message -------- From: tclug at freakzilla.com Date:04/06/2014 9:00 PM (GMT-06:00) To: TCLUG Subject: Re: [tclug-list] PVR suggestions? Hi there, On Sun, 6 Apr 2014, Brian Wall wrote: > From what I remember, the stock capture driver worked pretty well with > the card out of the box.? That's why I shelled out for that specific > card, it had a "works everywhere" chipset. "Works out of the box" is one thing - I have a hauppauge tuner, too (though a USB one). It works but MythTV's setup was weirder than all hell. Again, it worked, but it's like Configure Capture Card, then Configure an Input Method, then Configure Channels, and I think a few more steps. Totally a Myth thing... they've been making it more and more complex for no apparently reason. Oh, and you need to run a dedicated backend for capture for some reason. Even though my capture card is on my media center PC, not my media server... > One of these years I'll pick myself up one of them new-fangled Blu-ray > players with a DLNA client. Hehe, I'm sure one of the Roku boxes or equivalent (which are like $50 I think?) can do DLNA. At least you'd think so! I have a PS3 which picks up my MythTV "shares" - but it refuses to play any of the media. No video, no audio, nothing. I have no idea what kind of weird formats it wants (it didn't even like my MP3 files). > I would like to be able to rip DVDs (that I own, yes) and CDs (yes) Do NOT apologise for that! I own hundreds of CDs (I may have passed 500, I stopped counting when I was at 300+ and that was several years ago). CDs are still the primary, almost exclusive way I get music. When you have that many CDs the only way to possibly navigate it is to rip them all to a server and play through there. Every CD I get is automatically ripped (in FLAC) to the media server, and then put in a box in the attic (: I've been going through my DVDs and Blu-Ray collection and doing the same, now that I have the disc space... honestly with a lot of the TV shows I have on discs it's easier to, uh, get the versions where someone else did the ripping. Saves times. But yeah, having all my media on a server is incredibly convenient... except that making backups of 10+ terabytes is kinda hard. _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Sun Apr 6 21:56:12 2014 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 21:56:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] PVR suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My problem with Plex was that the frontend is basically XBMC. I can't use XBMC as my main media frontend because music playback on it is horrible (playlist support is... not really existant) and reassigning remote control keys is an insanely horrible ordeal. Not sure what the frontend is like on Android or other platforms, but since I don't really need to stream videos to my phone, and my tablets can just mount the NFS shares... I've also had terrible problems with Plex misidentifying a lot of my media, even when there is metadata and I store it in the directory structure they recommend... On Sun, 6 Apr 2014, Justin Krejci wrote: > Maybe starting to digress from the original topic but Plex media server is > pretty much awesome wrapped in kick ass. With Android and ios client > software as well as just working in Chrome (maybe other browsers too?) it's > basically way super simple for LAN media sharing and with a free myplex > account it's easy for online sharing with friends and family or yourself > when out and about.? > It supports multiple media types (movies, TV shows, mp3, etc) and it does > its best to sort/inventory your collections plus it can pull in TV channels > from many stations via the Internet, it's pretty much awesome.?It's in the > apt repository so it's cake to install too.? > > It supports DLNA and probably several other acronyms; it's what I like to > call "buzzword compliant." > > Since my mobile devices are all running Android ?I just use Airdroid to move > files to/from my mobile devices. > > Sorry for the thread hijacking, just had to spill forth some of my > enthusiasm a little. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > Date:04/06/2014 9:00 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: TCLUG > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] PVR suggestions? > > Hi there, > > On Sun, 6 Apr 2014, Brian Wall wrote: > > > From what I remember, the stock capture driver worked pretty well with > > the card out of the box.? That's why I shelled out for that specific > > card, it had a "works everywhere" chipset. > > "Works out of the box" is one thing - I have a hauppauge tuner, too > (though a USB one). It works but MythTV's setup was weirder than all hell. > Again, it worked, but it's like Configure Capture Card, then Configure an > Input Method, then Configure Channels, and I think a few more steps. > Totally a Myth thing... they've been making it more and more complex for > no apparently reason. Oh, and you need to run a dedicated backend for > capture for some reason. Even though my capture card is on my media center > PC, not my media server... > > > One of these years I'll pick myself up one of them new-fangled Blu-ray > > players with a DLNA client. > > Hehe, I'm sure one of the Roku boxes or equivalent (which are like $50 I > think?) can do DLNA. At least you'd think so! > > I have a PS3 which picks up my MythTV "shares" - but it refuses to play > any of the media. No video, no audio, nothing. I have no idea what kind of > weird formats it wants (it didn't even like my MP3 files). > > > I would like to be able to rip DVDs (that I own, yes) and CDs (yes) > > Do NOT apologise for that! I own hundreds of CDs (I may have passed 500, I > stopped counting when I was at 300+ and that was several years ago). CDs > are still the primary, almost exclusive way I get music. When you have > that many CDs the only way to possibly navigate it is to rip them all to a > server and play through there. Every CD I get is automatically ripped (in > FLAC) to the media server, and then put in a box in the attic (: > > I've been going through my DVDs and Blu-Ray collection and doing the same, > now that I have the disc space... honestly with a lot of the TV shows I > have on discs it's easier to, uh, get the versions where someone else did > the ripping. Saves times. But yeah, having all my media on a server is > incredibly convenient... except that making backups of 10+ terabytes is > kinda hard. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From jus at krytosvirus.com Sun Apr 6 22:16:20 2014 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2014 22:16:20 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] PVR suggestions? Message-ID: That's interesting to hear about your problems with plex, thanks for tempering my happiness :) as I've never had a single problem. I've also only just started really using it recently (about a month or so). I have not really used it for mp3 collections yet, mainly because I've been using another front end system for that for many years already but every movie and tv show I've thrown at it has been perfectly handled.? When was the last time you've tried it? It seems to be under active development, possibly some of your functional issues have since been resolved. -------- Original message -------- From: tclug at freakzilla.com Date:04/06/2014 9:56 PM (GMT-06:00) To: TCLUG Subject: Re: [tclug-list] PVR suggestions? My problem with Plex was that the frontend is basically XBMC. I can't use XBMC as my main media frontend because music playback on it is horrible (playlist support is... not really existant) and reassigning remote control keys is an insanely horrible ordeal. Not sure what the frontend is like on Android or other platforms, but since I don't really need to stream videos to my phone, and my tablets can just mount the NFS shares... I've also had terrible problems with Plex misidentifying a lot of my media, even when there is metadata and I store it in the directory structure they recommend... On Sun, 6 Apr 2014, Justin Krejci wrote: > Maybe starting to digress from the original topic but Plex media server is > pretty much awesome wrapped in kick ass. With Android and ios client > software as well as just working in Chrome (maybe other browsers too?) it's > basically way super simple for LAN media sharing and with a free myplex > account it's easy for online sharing with friends and family or yourself > when out and about.? > It supports multiple media types (movies, TV shows, mp3, etc) and it does > its best to sort/inventory your collections plus it can pull in TV channels > from many stations via the Internet, it's pretty much awesome.?It's in the > apt repository so it's cake to install too.? > > It supports DLNA and probably several other acronyms; it's what I like to > call "buzzword compliant." > > Since my mobile devices are all running Android ?I just use Airdroid to move > files to/from my mobile devices. > > Sorry for the thread hijacking, just had to spill forth some of my > enthusiasm a little. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > Date:04/06/2014 9:00 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: TCLUG > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] PVR suggestions? > > Hi there, > > On Sun, 6 Apr 2014, Brian Wall wrote: > > > From what I remember, the stock capture driver worked pretty well with > > the card out of the box.? That's why I shelled out for that specific > > card, it had a "works everywhere" chipset. > > "Works out of the box" is one thing - I have a hauppauge tuner, too > (though a USB one). It works but MythTV's setup was weirder than all hell. > Again, it worked, but it's like Configure Capture Card, then Configure an > Input Method, then Configure Channels, and I think a few more steps. > Totally a Myth thing... they've been making it more and more complex for > no apparently reason. Oh, and you need to run a dedicated backend for > capture for some reason. Even though my capture card is on my media center > PC, not my media server... > > > One of these years I'll pick myself up one of them new-fangled Blu-ray > > players with a DLNA client. > > Hehe, I'm sure one of the Roku boxes or equivalent (which are like $50 I > think?) can do DLNA. At least you'd think so! > > I have a PS3 which picks up my MythTV "shares" - but it refuses to play > any of the media. No video, no audio, nothing. I have no idea what kind of > weird formats it wants (it didn't even like my MP3 files). > > > I would like to be able to rip DVDs (that I own, yes) and CDs (yes) > > Do NOT apologise for that! I own hundreds of CDs (I may have passed 500, I > stopped counting when I was at 300+ and that was several years ago). CDs > are still the primary, almost exclusive way I get music. When you have > that many CDs the only way to possibly navigate it is to rip them all to a > server and play through there. Every CD I get is automatically ripped (in > FLAC) to the media server, and then put in a box in the attic (: > > I've been going through my DVDs and Blu-Ray collection and doing the same, > now that I have the disc space... honestly with a lot of the TV shows I > have on discs it's easier to, uh, get the versions where someone else did > the ripping. Saves times. But yeah, having all my media on a server is > incredibly convenient... except that making backups of 10+ terabytes is > kinda hard. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Sun Apr 6 22:26:18 2014 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 22:26:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] PVR suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I tried it a month or so ago (: The remote control thing is an XBMC issue which as far as I know nobody has any plans to ever address. Same with the music playlist thing. They say you can "import" your playlist... from another application, in m3u format or something. Course that only works if the directory structure is exactly the same, and doesn't let you edit anything! Plex was pretty bad about metadata for my music collection, too. I can kinda understand with TV/movies, but music has the metadata in the file! As for movies/TV, well, MythTV has trouble with those, too, but if it's not sure, it asks. Plex just chose whatever option it felt like... I have a... pretty big collection. I've been building my digital media for close to a decade. So I have a LOt of stuff in there, and even a small mixup ends up snowballing all over the place. I tried Plex, as well as just about any other media center frontend I could find, because I've been using MythTV for ages and I really don't like the newer versions... so I'm stuck on 0.24. Which I have to build myself (for both front and backend). Which also means I have no support or active development. So I'd /love/ to find something better. Music playback is where it all tends to fall apart (including for new versions of MythTV. I use Subsonic to stream music to my phone. Good playlist support (: On Sun, 6 Apr 2014, Justin Krejci wrote: > That's interesting to hear about your problems with plex, thanks for > tempering my happiness :) as I've never had a single problem. I've also only > just started really using it recently (about a month or so). I have not > really used it for mp3 collections yet, mainly because I've been using > another front end system for that for many years already but every movie and > tv show I've thrown at it has been perfectly handled.? > When was the last time you've tried it? It seems to be under active > development, possibly some of your functional issues have since been > resolved. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > Date:04/06/2014 9:56 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: TCLUG > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] PVR suggestions? > > My problem with Plex was that the frontend is basically XBMC. I can't use > XBMC as my main media frontend because music playback on it is horrible > (playlist support is... not really existant) and reassigning remote > control keys is an insanely horrible ordeal. > > Not sure what the frontend is like on Android or other platforms, but > since I don't really need to stream videos to my phone, and my tablets can > just mount the NFS shares... > > I've also had terrible problems with Plex misidentifying a lot of my > media, even when there is metadata and I store it in the directory > structure they recommend... > > > > On Sun, 6 Apr 2014, Justin Krejci wrote: > > > Maybe starting to digress from the original topic but Plex media server is > > pretty much awesome wrapped in kick ass. With Android and ios client > > software as well as just working in Chrome (maybe other browsers too?) > it's > > basically way super simple for LAN media sharing and with a free myplex > > account it's easy for online sharing with friends and family or yourself > > when out and about.? > > It supports multiple media types (movies, TV shows, mp3, etc) and it does > > its best to sort/inventory your collections plus it can pull in TV > channels > > from many stations via the Internet, it's pretty much awesome.?It's in the > > apt repository so it's cake to install too.? > > > > It supports DLNA and probably several other acronyms; it's what I like to > > call "buzzword compliant." > > > > Since my mobile devices are all running Android ?I just use Airdroid to > move > > files to/from my mobile devices. > > > > Sorry for the thread hijacking, just had to spill forth some of my > > enthusiasm a little. > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > > Date:04/06/2014 9:00 PM (GMT-06:00) > > To: TCLUG > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] PVR suggestions? > > > > Hi there, > > > > On Sun, 6 Apr 2014, Brian Wall wrote: > > > > > From what I remember, the stock capture driver worked pretty well with > > > the card out of the box.? That's why I shelled out for that specific > > > card, it had a "works everywhere" chipset. > > > > "Works out of the box" is one thing - I have a hauppauge tuner, too > > (though a USB one). It works but MythTV's setup was weirder than all hell. > > Again, it worked, but it's like Configure Capture Card, then Configure an > > Input Method, then Configure Channels, and I think a few more steps. > > Totally a Myth thing... they've been making it more and more complex for > > no apparently reason. Oh, and you need to run a dedicated backend for > > capture for some reason. Even though my capture card is on my media center > > PC, not my media server... > > > > > One of these years I'll pick myself up one of them new-fangled Blu-ray > > > players with a DLNA client. > > > > Hehe, I'm sure one of the Roku boxes or equivalent (which are like $50 I > > think?) can do DLNA. At least you'd think so! > > > > I have a PS3 which picks up my MythTV "shares" - but it refuses to play > > any of the media. No video, no audio, nothing. I have no idea what kind of > > weird formats it wants (it didn't even like my MP3 files). > > > > > I would like to be able to rip DVDs (that I own, yes) and CDs (yes) > > > > Do NOT apologise for that! I own hundreds of CDs (I may have passed 500, I > > stopped counting when I was at 300+ and that was several years ago). CDs > > are still the primary, almost exclusive way I get music. When you have > > that many CDs the only way to possibly navigate it is to rip them all to a > > server and play through there. Every CD I get is automatically ripped (in > > FLAC) to the media server, and then put in a box in the attic (: > > > > I've been going through my DVDs and Blu-Ray collection and doing the same, > > now that I have the disc space... honestly with a lot of the TV shows I > > have on discs it's easier to, uh, get the versions where someone else did > > the ripping. Saves times. But yeah, having all my media on a server is > > incredibly convenient... except that making backups of 10+ terabytes is > > kinda hard. > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Sun Apr 6 22:50:17 2014 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars) Date: Sun, 06 Apr 2014 22:50:17 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] PVR suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53422079.9020404@gmail.com> On 4/6/2014 9:56 PM, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:: > My problem with Plex was that the frontend is basically XBMC. I can't > use XBMC as my main media frontend because music playback on it is > horrible (playlist support is... not really existant) and reassigning > remote control keys is an insanely horrible ordeal. I've been running OpenElec for about a year and a half now. I really like it. It is built from the ground up for only running XMBC. I run it on a Raspberry PI, and store everything on a NAS. It's pretty slick. It sits behind my TV (smaller than a paperback book). I use a tiny usb wifi dongle, and an external DVD drive as well). The whole setup was less a hundred bucks (not including the NAS of course). Awhile back they added PVR support, but I have never tried it. I had no issues setting up a remote. I picked up a cheap Ortek Win7 media center remote, and it worked right out of the box. I also picked up a tiny Logitech wireless keyboard with a touch mouse built in. I don't use the keyboard much, but it comes in handy from time to time (typing anything beyond "ET" on the remote starts to give me fits of apoplexy). One better hardware with a capture card, and blue-ray it would be awesome. I use other programs on a different machine to do the sorting/renaming to keep the library clean. > > Not sure what the frontend is like on Android or other platforms, but > since I don't really need to stream videos to my phone, and my tablets > can just mount the NFS shares... > > I've also had terrible problems with Plex misidentifying a lot of my > media, even when there is metadata and I store it in the directory > structure they recommend... > From tclug at freakzilla.com Sun Apr 6 23:26:02 2014 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2014 23:26:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] PVR suggestions? In-Reply-To: <53422079.9020404@gmail.com> References: <53422079.9020404@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 6 Apr 2014, B-o-B De Mars wrote: > I've been running OpenElec for about a year and a half now. I really like > it. It is built from the ground up for only running XMBC. I run it on a > Raspberry PI, and store everything on a NAS. I have a similar setup in my treadmill room - PI running XBian. > I had no issues setting up a remote. Oh it "works" out of the box. I'm talking about assinging keys to do different things. This is trivial with MythTV and mplayer. For example, I like the Skip button to go forward 10 seconds, I want FFwd to skip 60 seconds and I want another button (I use 3 right now) to skip 10 minutes. Trivial with mythtv, fairly trivial with mplayer/lirc, insane pain in the butt with XBMC. Especially since I have a bunch more of those (: If XBMC let me use an external video player I could just use the setup I alreadyhave for mplayer, but noooooooo... -- From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 00:21:40 2014 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 00:21:40 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] PVR suggestions? In-Reply-To: References: <53422079.9020404@gmail.com> Message-ID: <534235E4.1060006@gmail.com> On 4/6/2014 11:26 PM, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:: > On Sun, 6 Apr 2014, B-o-B De Mars wrote: > >> I've been running OpenElec for about a year and a half now. I really >> like it. It is built from the ground up for only running XMBC. I run >> it on a Raspberry PI, and store everything on a NAS. > > I have a similar setup in my treadmill room - PI running XBian. > >> I had no issues setting up a remote. > > Oh it "works" out of the box. I'm talking about assinging keys to do > different things. This is trivial with MythTV and mplayer. For example, > I like the Skip button to go forward 10 seconds, I want FFwd to skip 60 > seconds and I want another button (I use 3 right now) to skip 10 > minutes. Trivial with mythtv, fairly trivial with mplayer/lirc, insane > pain in the butt with XBMC. Especially since I have a bunch more of > those (: Understood. I guess I never tried that yet. From taanerud at comcast.net Mon Apr 7 10:05:16 2014 From: taanerud at comcast.net (Timothy Aanerud) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 10:05:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Multi-platform graphical email client Message-ID: <5342BEAC.5090803@comcast.net> What's a good multi-platform email client besides Thunderbird? Something that runs on Linux, and Windozes(cough)... I prefer using a client over web interfaces. I have multiple email accounts that I would like to be able to access with one client application. Being able to access a Microsoft Exchange server is also a requirement. -- Timothy Aanerud From erikerik at gmail.com Mon Apr 7 10:24:40 2014 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 10:24:40 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Multi-platform graphical email client In-Reply-To: <5342BEAC.5090803@comcast.net> References: <5342BEAC.5090803@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Timothy Aanerud wrote: > What's a good multi-platform email client besides Thunderbird? That's the only one I've ever seen. > Being able to access a Microsoft Exchange server is also a requirement. Assuming you have IMAP enabled in Exchange, you should have no problems with *any* client. Have you ever considered trying mutt? It's not a graphical client, but it makes a stellar email client, and is about as lightweight as it gets. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Being able to access a > Microsoft Exchange server is also a requirement. > -- > Timothy Aanerud > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From erikerik at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 09:25:36 2014 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 09:25:36 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Heartbleed Message-ID: I'm guessing I'm not the only one that was up late patching systems to mitigate this security disaster. :( I've been thinking through all of the various vulnerabilities we've seen in my career, and I'm not sure I can think of one that is as potentially damaging as this one is. For those that haven't heard, the Heartbleed[1] OpenSSL bug was announced yesterday. In short, it's a bug in the TLS heartbeat functionality that allows any party to remotely read any accessible memory contents in the affected systems. Meaning that your private keys, session keys, etc. have all potentially been compromised. So, if you're running a linux server with an application that uses TLS and you have OpenSSL versions 1.0.1 = 1.0.1f, you're vulnerable and need to respond appropriately: patch openssl and libssl, regenerate private keys, get new SSL certs issued/installed, etc. It's been a fun 18 hours. :) -Erik [1]: http://heartbleed.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Tue Apr 8 09:27:42 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2014 09:27:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Heartbleed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <707D31EC-3C4F-4B39-A7C1-049E90666FD5@me.com> This is also effecting pfSense 2.x? Unclear about 1.3x On Apr 8, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Erik Anderson wrote: > I'm guessing I'm not the only one that was up late patching systems to mitigate this security disaster. :( > > I've been thinking through all of the various vulnerabilities we've seen in my career, and I'm not sure I can think of one that is as potentially damaging as this one is. > > For those that haven't heard, the Heartbleed[1] OpenSSL bug was announced yesterday. In short, it's a bug in the TLS heartbeat functionality that allows any party to remotely read any accessible memory contents in the affected systems. Meaning that your private keys, session keys, etc. have all potentially been compromised. > > So, if you're running a linux server with an application that uses TLS and you have OpenSSL versions 1.0.1 = 1.0.1f, you're vulnerable and need to respond appropriately: patch openssl and libssl, regenerate private keys, get new SSL certs issued/installed, etc. It's been a fun 18 hours. :) > > -Erik > > [1]: http://heartbleed.com/ > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meaning that your private keys, session keys, etc. have > all potentially been compromised. > > So, if you're running a linux server with an application that uses TLS and > you have OpenSSL versions 1.0.1 = 1.0.1f, you're vulnerable and need to > respond appropriately: patch openssl and libssl, regenerate private keys, > get new SSL certs issued/installed, etc. It's been a fun 18 hours. :) > > -Erik > > [1]: http://heartbleed.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I put my stuff on a non-performing port anyway. That should keep it ?ok? for a little bit. ? Ryan On Apr 8, 2014, at 10:06 AM, Erik Anderson wrote: > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > This is also effecting pfSense 2.x? Unclear about 1.3x > > I was wondering about that. Frickin a'. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erikerik at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 10:13:11 2014 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 10:13:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Heartbleed In-Reply-To: <54BA071D-AD39-4174-BA09-00B74776C1EC@me.com> References: <707D31EC-3C4F-4B39-A7C1-049E90666FD5@me.com> <54BA071D-AD39-4174-BA09-00B74776C1EC@me.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > So... yeah. I put my stuff on a non-performing port anyway. That should keep > it "ok" for a little bit. >From what I can tell, OpenVPN is the big issue here, correct? Or I suppose, if you have your web GUI exposed publicly, which is foolish. Anyway, I imagine if you were using certifiate auth only for OpenVPN you'd be hosed. I have xauth enabled, though, so it requires client cert + username/password, which I'm assuming gives me a bit of extra insulation from heartbleed. It will be interesting to hear pfsense's response to this. I haven't seen anything from them yet. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meaning that your private keys, session keys, etc. have > all potentially been compromised. > > So, if you're running a linux server with an application that uses TLS and > you have OpenSSL versions 1.0.1 = 1.0.1f, you're vulnerable and need to > respond appropriately: patch openssl and libssl, regenerate private keys, > get new SSL certs issued/installed, etc. It's been a fun 18 hours. :) > > -Erik > > [1]: http://heartbleed.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens Linux / Unix System Administrator Three of your friends throw up after eating chicken salad. Do you think: "I should find more robust friends" or "we should check that refrigerator"? -- Donald Becker, on vortex-bug, suspecting a network-wide problem -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This is good, but according to heartbleed, an attacker could potentially force the server to disclose private keys. If they have the private key, then they can decrypt the transmission between the client and server. So to them, your xauth user/pass handshake would be basically clear text. They could sniff the connections and wait for a new user and then have full access. :( > It will be interesting to hear pfsense's response to this. I haven't seen > anything from them yet. This is a very serious bug, and I would highly recommend disabling the OpenVPN until pfSense sends out an update, which I'm guessing won't take too long. If this was just a website, or smtp server or something, you could probably get by longer. The script kiddie crowd will be after them, maybe suffer some defacement or something. But the nature of VPN, giving an external entity access to internal resources, this is where the real attackers will be focusing on, and there's usually a lot more risk involved when VPNs fail. It's probably better to suffer the downtime and be safe, than have it working and risk a major breach. That's my two cents. Chris Frederick From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Tue Apr 8 13:17:28 2014 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 13:17:28 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Heartbleed Message-ID: is openssh affected? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chapinjeff at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 13:27:13 2014 From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 13:27:13 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Heartbleed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not directly -- openssh doesnt use TLS. Some people are claiming that the memory reading ability can read arbitrary memory segments and get SSH keys, but I am not convinced. Jeff On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 1:17 PM, gregrwm wrote: > is openssh affected? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Jeff Chapin President, CedarLug, retired President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" President, UNI Scuba Club Senator, NISG, retired -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blutgens at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 13:28:09 2014 From: blutgens at gmail.com (Ben) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 13:28:09 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Heartbleed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not from what I've read. Here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/444702/how-to-patch-cve-2014-0160-in-openssl/444829#444829 "Am I vulnerable? Generally, you're affected if you run some server that you generated an SSL key for at some point. Typical end-users are not (directly) affected (at least Firefox and Chrome don't use OpenSSL; some client applications may be affected, I've asked for clarification as to what to expect on the client side). Typical end-users are not (directly) affected. SSH is not affected. The distribution of Ubuntu packages isn't affected (it relies on GPG signatures)." On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 1:17 PM, gregrwm wrote: > is openssh affected? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Ben Lutgens Linux / Unix System Administrator Three of your friends throw up after eating chicken salad. Do you think: "I should find more robust friends" or "we should check that refrigerator"? -- Donald Becker, on vortex-bug, suspecting a network-wide problem -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 19:44:00 2014 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 19:44:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Heartbleed In-Reply-To: <5344340C.9040200@cdf123.net> References: <707D31EC-3C4F-4B39-A7C1-049E90666FD5@me.com> <54BA071D-AD39-4174-BA09-00B74776C1EC@me.com> <5344340C.9040200@cdf123.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Apr 2014, Chris Frederick wrote: > On 04/08/14 10:13, Erik Anderson wrote: > >> It will be interesting to hear pfsense's response to this. I haven't >> seen anything from them yet. > > This is a very serious bug, and I would highly recommend disabling the > OpenVPN until pfSense sends out an update, which I'm guessing won't take > too long. If this was just a website, or smtp server or something, you > could probably get by longer. The script kiddie crowd will be after > them, maybe suffer some defacement or something. But the nature of VPN, > giving an external entity access to internal resources, this is where > the real attackers will be focusing on, and there's usually a lot more > risk involved when VPNs fail. It's probably better to suffer the > downtime and be safe, than have it working and risk a major breach. I found this info: https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=74902.msg408806#msg408806 Mike From stuporglue at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 19:56:06 2014 From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 19:56:06 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] How can I have XFCE log out after inactivity? Message-ID: I'd like to have XFCE automatically log out after a period of inactivity. I don't have or want power management on this computer since it's also a home server and I don't want it to suspend. It seems like everything I'm finding says to tie auto-logout to the power management scripts. Does anyone have any suggestions? 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It seems like everything I'm finding > says to tie auto-logout to the power management scripts.? > Does anyone have any suggestions?? > > Thanks, > Michael Moore? > > From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Tue Apr 8 22:40:18 2014 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (kelly) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2014 22:40:18 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Heartbleed References: <707D31EC-3C4F-4B39-A7C1-049E90666FD5@me.com> <54BA071D-AD39-4174-BA09-00B74776C1EC@me.com> <5344340C.9040200@cdf123.net> Message-ID: <5344C122-0007056E@penguinpackets.com> ? > Tue Apr 08 2014 07:44:00 PM CDTfrom "Mike Miller" >Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Heartbleed > > On Tue, 8 Apr 2014, Chris Frederick wrote:I found this info: >https://forum.pfsense.org/index.php?topic=74902.msg408806#ms408806 > > I have a Python script (found elsewhere) that you can use to test your pfsense install. ?I have used it against pfsense firewalls and obtained both the login user name and password in the payload in a pfsense 2.1 firewall (not tested against a pfsense 2.1.1 fw, but they are working on a patch). It was out there for hours, I am sure I am not the only one to wander by and grab a copy ?http://s3.jspenguin.org/ssltest.py It is blocked presently, but I did get a copy and it does deliver. ?Do patch now as the 64 Kb memory exploit does work (and on a limited memory system like a pfsense appliance firewall, it seems to work quite well). pfsense firewalls are great, and I use them, but you need to disable the https access to the login (NOW), and any non patched Openssl based service you have running. ?Think of ssl wrapper-ed services like pop3, imap, http(s), or vpn's that link to openssl. Good luck citizens!? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuporglue at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 23:00:11 2014 From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 23:00:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] How can I have XFCE log out after inactivity? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:08 PM, wrote: > You can use xautolock, it won't log out but it'll ock the screen... Thanks, that looks good. I think I can probably even pair it with xfce4-session-logout (as the -locker parameter) to force a log out. -- Michael -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Tue Apr 8 23:04:17 2014 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 23:04:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] How can I have XFCE log out after inactivity? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Apr 2014, Michael Moore wrote: > Thanks, that looks good. I think I can probably even pair it with > xfce4-session-logout (as the -locker parameter) to force a log out. Yeah, that should work. Been ages since I used xautolock so I forgot whether it's married to xlock or not (; From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 01:54:56 2014 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 01:54:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] fitbit Message-ID: Are any of you using fitbit devices... http://www.fitbit.com/ ...with Linux?: http://lwn.net/Articles/532410/ It seems like it would be fun to have one to mess around with, but only if it plays well with Linux because I'm avoiding every other OS as much as possible. Mike From jazzyflute at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 08:25:08 2014 From: jazzyflute at gmail.com (Marc Thomas) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 08:25:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] fitbit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike, I used a fitbit for a while last year (It broke and I haven't replaced it yet). As of around October of 2013, there was no easy way to sync it using Linux. I mainly would reboot my laptop into Mac OS to get the syncing done, though towards the end my phone became my source of syncing (Nexus 4). Many of the most popular iPhone and Android devices can sync. Here's the currently supported list: http://www.fitbit.com/devices On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 1:54 AM, Mike Miller wrote: > Are any of you using fitbit devices... > > http://www.fitbit.com/ > > ...with Linux?: > > http://lwn.net/Articles/532410/ > > It seems like it would be fun to have one to mess around with, but only if > it plays well with Linux because I'm avoiding every other OS as much as > possible. > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Website : Google+ : Twitter : GitHub -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here's the currently supported list: > http://www.fitbit.com/devices > > > > On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 1:54 AM, Mike Miller wrote: > >> Are any of you using fitbit devices... >> >> http://www.fitbit.com/ >> >> ...with Linux?: >> >> http://lwn.net/Articles/532410/ >> >> It seems like it would be fun to have one to mess around with, but only >> if it plays well with Linux because I'm avoiding every other OS as much >> as possible. From jazzyflute at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 12:38:01 2014 From: jazzyflute at gmail.com (Marc Thomas) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 12:38:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] fitbit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, it is sent back to fitbit and is available via any device running either the fitbit app or accessing www.fitbit.com. As for what the data is used for in addition to supplying the users with information, you would have to consult their privacy policy. AFAIK there is no way to run a local instance of fitbit on your machine. On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Mike Miller wrote: > When I sync with Android, or whatever, does data get sent back to fitbit > corporation? That seems like the kind of thing everybody wants these days > -- high dimensional data about users. "Using the cloud" is synonumous with > "populating their database." > > Mike > > > > On Wed, 9 Apr 2014, Marc Thomas wrote: > > Mike, >> >> I used a fitbit for a while last year (It broke and I haven't replaced it >> yet). As of around October of 2013, there was no easy way to sync it using >> Linux. I mainly would reboot my laptop into Mac OS to get the syncing done, >> though towards the end my phone became my source of syncing (Nexus 4). Many >> of the most popular iPhone and Android devices can sync. Here's the >> currently supported list: http://www.fitbit.com/devices >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 1:54 AM, Mike Miller wrote: >> >> Are any of you using fitbit devices... >>> >>> http://www.fitbit.com/ >>> >>> ...with Linux?: >>> >>> http://lwn.net/Articles/532410/ >>> >>> It seems like it would be fun to have one to mess around with, but only >>> if it plays well with Linux because I'm avoiding every other OS as much as >>> possible. >>> >> _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Website : Google+ : Twitter : GitHub -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Thu Apr 10 17:35:38 2014 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 17:35:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [FS] Samsung 2GB 2RX8 PC3-10600E UNBUFFERED ECC DDR3 MEMORY Message-ID: Hardly used, like new. $20 or make me an offer. -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Sat Apr 12 17:50:20 2014 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2014 17:50:20 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [Free] Canon MX860 all in one printer/copier, scanner, fax; partially works Message-ID: Canon MX860 All in One printer. Software issue with the printer in regards to the ink (grr it's a Canon "feature"). Can't seem to fix and get it printing again via service mode but maybe someone can. Scanner with flatbed and ADF works fine, has RJ-45 (Ethernet) and wireless capabilities. 100% Linux compatible on the printer (when it worked) and scanner over any connection method. Never used the fax option. Specs and dimensions: http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/support/consumer/printers_multifunction/pixma_mx_series/pixma_mx860 Located in South Minneapolis, let me know if you have any questions or are interested. Regards, -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com From cncole at earthlink.net Sun Apr 13 02:03:21 2014 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 02:03:21 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [Free] Canon MX860 all in one printer/copier, scanner,fax; partially works In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <071EB353B59947E09F3ED87F1C478B3B@d830a> FWIW, HP has similarly "intrusive" software for some of their all-in-one printers. For almost any problem, they require and instruct that complete printer software removal and re-installation is required, and they do mean COMPLETE with rebooting after removal and after re-installation. NONE of the previous installation files could remain and have the re-install work. Perhaps Canon has similar "features". Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy > MountainJohnson > Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 5:50 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: [tclug-list] [Free] Canon MX860 all in one > printer/copier, scanner,fax; partially works > > Canon MX860 All in One printer. Software issue with the printer in > regards to the ink (grr it's a Canon "feature"). Can't seem to fix and > get it printing again via service mode but maybe someone can. Scanner > with flatbed and ADF works fine, has RJ-45 (Ethernet) and wireless > capabilities. 100% Linux compatible on the printer (when it worked) > and scanner over any connection method. Never used the fax option. > > Specs and dimensions: > http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/support/consumer/printers_multif > unction/pixma_mx_series/pixma_mx860 > > Located in South Minneapolis, let me know if you have any questions or > are interested. > > Regards, > > -- > Jeremy MountainJohnson > Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Sun Apr 13 08:47:42 2014 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 08:47:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [Free] Canon MX860 all in one printer/copier, scanner,fax; partially works In-Reply-To: <071EB353B59947E09F3ED87F1C478B3B@d830a> References: <071EB353B59947E09F3ED87F1C478B3B@d830a> Message-ID: I should clarify, software = printer firmware. It's not something that can be fixed by tinkering with tethered software to a computer, so IMO it's worse than any HP I've used. Canon actually has a service menu built in to the firmware operable on a mini display, which I played with a little to no avail before moving on. Not really interested in the time investment anymore :-) -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 2:03 AM, Chuck Cole wrote: > FWIW, HP has similarly "intrusive" software for some of their all-in-one > printers. For almost any problem, they require and instruct that complete > printer software removal and re-installation is required, and they do mean > COMPLETE with rebooting after removal and after re-installation. NONE of > the previous installation files could remain and have the re-install work. > Perhaps Canon has similar "features". > > Chuck > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy >> MountainJohnson >> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 5:50 PM >> To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Subject: [tclug-list] [Free] Canon MX860 all in one >> printer/copier, scanner,fax; partially works >> >> Canon MX860 All in One printer. Software issue with the printer in >> regards to the ink (grr it's a Canon "feature"). Can't seem to fix and >> get it printing again via service mode but maybe someone can. Scanner >> with flatbed and ADF works fine, has RJ-45 (Ethernet) and wireless >> capabilities. 100% Linux compatible on the printer (when it worked) >> and scanner over any connection method. Never used the fax option. >> >> Specs and dimensions: >> http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/support/consumer/printers_multif >> unction/pixma_mx_series/pixma_mx860 >> >> Located in South Minneapolis, let me know if you have any questions or >> are interested. >> >> Regards, >> >> -- >> Jeremy MountainJohnson >> Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sun Apr 13 13:03:32 2014 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 13:03:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] interesting "feature" of the GNU du command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In other words, there is no such command -- you can't stat a directory and sum up the size of the contents. You do have to use find and xargs and stat and awk, but du will so it much more easily. Mike On Sun, 6 Apr 2014, Mike Miller wrote: > On Sun, 6 Apr 2014, David Wagle wrote: > >> You can stat a directory, you do not need to have awk sum things up for >> you. > > If that is true, then I'll agree with your assessment, but I haven't been > able to figure that out. How can it be done? I don't see any documentation. > You suggested this command... > > stat --format=%s > > ...but when I run it on a directory... > > stat --format=%s dir > > ...it does not look at contents and just gives me the file size I get from > the ls -ld command: > > $ stat --format=%s miller > 4096 > > $ ls -ld miller > drwxrwxr-x. 3 millerm1 guanwh 4096 Mar 28 12:27 miller > > That directory contains many gigabytes of files (see below), so 4096 is not > the answer we're looking for. > > Mike > > >> On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Mike Miller wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 5 Apr 2014, David Wagle wrote: >>> >>> why it violates the unix philosophy - in my mind - is that apparent size >>>> has nothing to do with he primary function of du - which is to display >>>> disk >>>> usage. And the unix philosophy is to do one thing and do it well. >>>> >>>> the apparent size flag for du is trying to get du to do things that other >>>> utilities already do. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Do you mean like find + xargs + awk working in combination... >>> >>> >>> $ find miller -print0 | xargs -0 stat --format=%s | awk >>> '{sum+=$1}END{print sum}' >>> 145159848954 >>> >>> ...(adding a for loop to deal with a list of directories), or do you mean >>> that some utility actually does this? >>> >>> What was wrong with my argument about the space that would be used on a >>> tape if the files were to be written to tape via tar command? >>> >>> What was wrong with my argument about the size of the files on a >>> compressed disk? >>> >>> >>> Mike >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> > From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com Sun Apr 13 16:25:05 2014 From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 16:25:05 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Multi-platform graphical email client In-Reply-To: References: <5342BEAC.5090803@comcast.net> Message-ID: <534B00B1.4070604@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's available on SourceForge at http://sourceforge.net/projects/sensibleemail/ It's an "Email client based on the Eclipse RCP platform", and requires Java 1.6 to be installed and pathed. I've known John since college (~35 years), I trust his software. I may install it and try it out sometime - I'm generally happy with mutt, but do have the occasional need to read HTML e-mails, for which my current choices are send to work, invoke links on it via mutt, save the html portion out and read it in my web browser, or jump through hoops to read it in SquirrelMail. I should find a replacement for SquirrelMail sometime... -- Scott Raun sraun at fireopal.org From jus at krytosvirus.com Sun Apr 13 20:45:51 2014 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2014 20:45:51 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Multi-platform graphical email client Message-ID: Replacement for squurrelmail? You're looking for Roundcube. -------- Original message -------- From: Scott Raun Date:04/13/2014 5:02 PM (GMT-06:00) To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Multi-platform graphical email client On Mon, Apr 07, 2014 at 10:05:16AM -0500, Timothy Aanerud wrote: > What's a good multi-platform email client besides Thunderbird? Something? > that runs on Linux, and Windozes(cough)...? I prefer using a client over? > web interfaces.? I have multiple email accounts that I would like to be? > able to access with one client application.? Being able to access a? > Microsoft Exchange server is also a requirement. A friend of mine had similar requirements, and ended up rolling his own, calling it Sensible Email.? It's available for Linux, Windows, and Mac OSX Cocoa.? It's available on SourceForge at http://sourceforge.net/projects/sensibleemail/ It's an "Email client based on the Eclipse RCP platform", and requires Java 1.6 to be installed and pathed. I've known John since college (~35 years), I trust his software. I may install it and try it out sometime - I'm generally happy with mutt, but do have the occasional need to read HTML e-mails, for which my current choices are send to work, invoke links on it via mutt, save the html portion out and read it in my web browser, or jump through hoops to read it in SquirrelMail.? I should find a replacement for SquirrelMail sometime... -- Scott Raun sraun at fireopal.org _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's available on SourceForge at > http://sourceforge.net/projects/sensibleemail/ > > It's an "Email client based on the Eclipse RCP platform", and requires > Java 1.6 to be installed and pathed. > > I've known John since college (~35 years), I trust his software. > > I may install it and try it out sometime - I'm generally happy with > mutt, but do have the occasional need to read HTML e-mails, for which my > current choices are send to work, invoke links on it via mutt, save the > html portion out and read it in my web browser, or jump through hoops to > read it in SquirrelMail. I should find a replacement for SquirrelMail > sometime... I use Alpine, but it is like Mutt in that it also cannot display HTML email with images. The tactic I use to view such messages is to pipe the message to mhonarc. Here's a note I sent to the Alpine list: http://marc.info/?l=alpine-info&m=132160669800650 I pipe the raw text with free output to this command: mhonarc -add -nothread -reverse -outdir html -- - I have a directory called html that holds all the files. It has been working well so far. Once I have the message saved there, I'll strip off the images when I save the message in my usual mail folder. These messages are almost always junk that relatives send with a bunch of pictures of cute animals, or children. I'm sure my text-based Alpine email system seems weird to the young folks, but can find any message sent or received in the past 20 years in just a few minutes, and they can't. And there's a lot more than that. Alpine is very fast and easy for a lot of operations. Mike From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Wed Apr 16 11:15:52 2014 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 11:15:52 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Wifi problem on laptop Message-ID: I installed Debian on an Acer Travelmate laptop and am having trouble getting a wireless connection. I looked at the output from dmesg, but didn't find anything helpful. I typed in the key three times to make sure I hadn't messed that up. Any ideas on what to do? Maybe a different distro? Tia. If I plug in an ethernet cable, the laptop gets connected fine. -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - The righteous shall live by faith. Romans 1.17 http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If I plug in an ethernet > cable, the laptop gets connected fine. > > -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - The righteous shall live by faith. > Romans 1.17 http://webEbenezer.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List > - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTTq5zAAoJELWzpBXk2k3wimUIAIY9qJjHTqZvXkfQPNjC12B0 QDZphsVrale5uZU3EQ5One4fhZH2pFZXyiM/9lmrZa4msya9nn6Ol7sb/Tpq8r/A sa4eLqvxVOIIUC0xTkfL+7DY5+7bFIZYNLYwEKX1m5X8I5YUmYkDElfeS6Ir4Pv+ qtOoQ7ndXoskrYoGL+QAmVqv2B24AC31OXNNZRlADhjStkWniooBoZaox45VruvM x89wpBE2nXuR+edjOeUyZJZWeOjdUYoklBF5/XMNH9yfwuV64aUXUog6KQOUrFXP Mub4x8c5DBElvNKIO7juWDR/w3mA8QN8Voe55AW1LdE2BzTwg4GxXT+Xgvt/uyw= =JdgU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sraun at fireopal.org Wed Apr 16 16:24:27 2014 From: sraun at fireopal.org (Scott Raun) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 16:24:27 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Wifi problem on laptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20140416212427.GA30281@fireopal.org> On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 11:15:52AM -0500, Brian Wood wrote: > I installed Debian on an Acer Travelmate laptop and am having > trouble getting a wireless connection. I looked at the output > from dmesg, but didn't find anything helpful. I typed in the key > three times to make sure I hadn't messed that up. Any ideas > on what to do? Maybe a different distro? Tia. > If I plug in an ethernet cable, the laptop gets connected fine. I find this to be an on-going issue with Linux and wireless. I've reached the point where I start grabbing various distros, and running their live version via USB until I find one that finds (and starts!) the wireless. FWIW, I usually start with an Ubuntu and a Mint - the winner for an older laptop recently was Peppermint 2. -- Scott Raun sraun at fireopal.org From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Wed Apr 16 16:52:23 2014 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 16:52:23 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Wifi problem on laptop Message-ID: > > Maybe a different distro? > > I find this to be an on-going issue with Linux and wireless. I've > reached the point where I start grabbing various distros, and running > their live version via USB until I find one that finds (and starts!) > the wireless. somewhat similarly, sound wouldn't work on either my laptop or my desktop when installing either trusty netboot or trusty alternate, but trusty liveCD achieved sound success on both. From samael.anon at gmail.com Wed Apr 16 20:54:16 2014 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 20:54:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Newbie interested in Tails & Coreboot In-Reply-To: <5788f138fd98fa39a07dc9046b51657e.squirrel@fulvetta.riseup.net> References: <1ba5af516be219cd83f073244a061323.squirrel@fulvetta.riseup.net> <5788f138fd98fa39a07dc9046b51657e.squirrel@fulvetta.riseup.net> Message-ID: tails uses tor so your ip is never yours. it also changes the mac address. the options are all on there in the gui. i burned a disk first then booted my computer with that and installed onto the usb stick. i didn't set up luks, but that is documented; for full usb encryption. persistence seems to work well. am messing with securityonion right now. seems fun and well documented. On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 12:59 AM, wrote: > Radical! I want to learn more about persistence in Tails. I have never > used persistence. I heard that if you use your computer from the same IP > most of the time it is wise to use persistence in order to get persistent > guards for Tor. Other than that though, I'm always trying to improve my > Tails skills on any level possible. The Snowden reporters recently came > out explaining their heavy reliance on Tails, including Minneapolis > resident Bruce Schneier who is speaking at the U of M MPLS campus for free > on the 14th. > > Kurtis > > > > i use the usb with persistent storage. it is very fast for what it is > > supposed to do. very impressed. > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 2:10 PM, wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> I'm new to the list. I have been learning how to use Tails, which is > >> based > >> on Debian, over the last year after being a life long Windows user. > >> GNU/Linux has been so much fun to learn, but I don't know a lot of > >> people > >> locally that use it, so I'm glad to have run in to your group's website. > >> > >> I'm curious, does anyone else on this list use Tails? Also, does anyone > >> use Coreboot for their Bios? I'm trying to transition to a system free > >> of > >> any blobs, including the Bios. I look forward to meeting everyone and > >> chatting on this List with you all. I'm from Minneapolis. > >> > >> Lastly, don't you guys use GNU/Linux? Or do you truly only use Linux by > >> itself? Shouldn't your group be called TC GLUG? > >> > >> In Libre, > >> Kurtis > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From samael.anon at gmail.com Wed Apr 16 21:00:10 2014 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 21:00:10 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Remove me from the list. In-Reply-To: <08B6F02D-B45D-4709-8459-2202F8C62C0A@me.com> References: <533e10ea.6a99ec0a.66a9.1545@mx.google.com> <9205f488681877fcba6281dc27748d26.squirrel@fulvetta.riseup.net> <08B6F02D-B45D-4709-8459-2202F8C62C0A@me.com> Message-ID: it was a joke. geez, you guys are so silly. On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > No problem here :) > > Now, as a temporary life guard I?m going off the clock on this matter so, > please, try not to drown when you get caught in the net. > > ? > Ryan > > On Apr 6, 2014, at 9:06 PM, kurtis at riseup.net wrote: > > > Understood. > > > > Kurtis > > > >> We all saw that. > >> > >> Much like one should not feed a troll, let?s try to stop adding fuel to > >> the fire? > >> ? > >> Ryan > >> > >> On Apr 6, 2014, at 9:01 PM, kurtis at riseup.net wrote: > >> > >>> My comments were a joke of sorts as well. Perhaps not a good idea on my > >>> part seeing that I'm new here and have no idea about the context of > this > >>> situation, but I just wanted to highlight the odd nature of Paul G's > >>> request to be removed when he has the power to remove himself at any > >>> point > >>> in time. > >>> > >>> Kurtis > >>> > >>>> That "i thought we were in for life" was a joke. There are (at least) > >>>> two ways to unsubscribe without bothering the list owner, Rick Tanner: > >>>> > >>>> 1) Go to bottom of page at > >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list and click on > >>>> unsubscribe and edit options. Enter your email address and password. > >>>> Click on unsubscribe. > >>>> > >>>> 2) Send an empty email to tclug-leave at mn-linux.org > >>>> or maybe tclug-list-leave at mn-linux.org > >>>> > >>>> Ed > >>>> > >>>> On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 12:54 AM, wrote: > >>>>> I just signed up and I didn't see anything that said we were in for > >>>>> life. > >>>>> Paul G, are you unable to remove yourself from the list? Samael, is > it > >>>>> true that signing up for this List is for our entire lives? I thought > >>>>> the > >>>>> free software movement was all about freedom. If I ever get as upset > >>>>> with > >>>>> the list as Paul G seems to be, I want to be able to leave on my own > >>>>> instead of having to ask the list manager to remove me or to just be > >>>>> stuck > >>>>> here until I'm old and grey. > >>>>> > >>>>> In Libre, > >>>>> Kurtis > >>>>> > >>>>>> i thought we were in for life. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Bob De Mars > > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> ----- Reply message ----- > >>>>>>> From: "paul g" > >>>>>>> To: "tclug-list at mn-linux.org" > >>>>>>> Subject: [tclug-list] Remove me from the list. > >>>>>>> Date: Thu, Apr 3, 2014 20:26 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The list has not done anything positive for me. I ask a question I > >>>>>>> get > >>>>>>> bashed. The way I feel now is way worse than ever participating in > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> first place. When I look back at it I wish I never had the idea to > >>>>>>> join. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Pity. I've been on vacation and missed the chance to recommend > >>>>>>> Slackware to this guy. Big sigh. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ron at ron-l-j.com Thu Apr 17 09:58:09 2014 From: ron at ron-l-j.com (ron at ron-l-j.com) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 08:58:09 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 112, Issue 33 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <97787ba250f9c4758f9f9858c850ccbf.squirrel@box397.bluehost.com> > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Wifi problem on laptop (Brian Wood) > 2. Re: Wifi problem on laptop (David Wagle) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 11:15:52 -0500 > From: Brian Wood > To: tclug-list > Subject: [tclug-list] Wifi problem on laptop > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I installed Debian on an Acer Travelmate laptop and am having > trouble getting a wireless connection. I looked at the output > from dmesg, but didn't find anything helpful. I typed in the key > three times to make sure I hadn't messed that up. Any ideas > on what to do? Maybe a different distro? Tia. > If I plug in an ethernet cable, the laptop gets connected fine. > > -- > Brian > Ebenezer Enterprises - The righteous shall live by faith. > Romans 1.17 > http://webEbenezer.net > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 11:23:15 -0500 > From: David Wagle > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Wifi problem on laptop > Message-ID: <534EAE73.9060002 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > What is the wifi chipset in the device? > > On 04/16/2014 11:15 AM, Brian Wood wrote: >> >> I installed Debian on an Acer Travelmate laptop and am having >> trouble getting a wireless connection. I looked at the output from >> dmesg, but didn't find anything helpful. I typed in the key three >> times to make sure I hadn't messed that up. Any ideas on what to >> do? Maybe a different distro? Tia. If I plug in an ethernet >> cable, the laptop gets connected fine. >> >> -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - The righteous shall live by faith. >> Romans 1.17 http://webEbenezer.net >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List >> - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTTq5zAAoJELWzpBXk2k3wimUIAIY9qJjHTqZvXkfQPNjC12B0 > QDZphsVrale5uZU3EQ5One4fhZH2pFZXyiM/9lmrZa4msya9nn6Ol7sb/Tpq8r/A > sa4eLqvxVOIIUC0xTkfL+7DY5+7bFIZYNLYwEKX1m5X8I5YUmYkDElfeS6Ir4Pv+ > qtOoQ7ndXoskrYoGL+QAmVqv2B24AC31OXNNZRlADhjStkWniooBoZaox45VruvM > x89wpBE2nXuR+edjOeUyZJZWeOjdUYoklBF5/XMNH9yfwuV64aUXUog6KQOUrFXP > Mub4x8c5DBElvNKIO7juWDR/w3mA8QN8Voe55AW1LdE2BzTwg4GxXT+Xgvt/uyw= > =JdgU > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 112, Issue 33 > ******************************************* Brian, Lspci should out put your wireless devices, and there is a list of supported wireless devices on the debian wiki https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi Acer TravelMate 4020 has an Intel 2200BG wireless card and is common enough. The configuration commands for that chipset are available here https://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 It should be a relatively painless setup. From pj.world at hotmail.com Wed Apr 16 22:43:45 2014 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2014 22:43:45 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] I would like to join the list again. Message-ID: I know I am not smart with computer I have learned alot here and I miss it. I was out of place to take these personally. Please allow me to join the list again I will abstain from rude remarks and try to learn. Thank you, Sincerly, Paul -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erikerik at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 14:16:06 2014 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:16:06 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] I would like to join the list again. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 10:43 PM, paul g wrote: > I know I am not smart with computer I have learned alot here and I miss > it. I was out of place to take these personally. > > Please allow me to join the list again I will abstain from rude remarks > and try to learn. > Apparently you're already on it again. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lkateley at kateley.com Thu Apr 17 14:30:18 2014 From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:30:18 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] I would like to join the list again. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53502BCA.40002@kateley.com> Paul, For your first lesson, i would like to introduce you to concept of mailing lists. This particular list has no owner. Just an automated system that lets you subscribe(be on the list, send and receive emails) or unsubscribe(don't get to send or receive emails). It's up to you. linda On 4/16/14, 10:43 PM, paul g wrote: > I know I am not smart with computer I have learned alot here and I > miss it. I was out of place to take these personally. > > Please allow me to join the list again I will abstain from rude > remarks and try to learn. > > Thank you, > > Sincerly, Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 15:15:53 2014 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 15:15:53 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Wifi problem on laptop Message-ID: Erik Anderson: > You can upgrade your kernel[1], you know, right? > > [1]: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToUpgradeKernel I didn't think about that. Fedora seemed to be about the same -- it found some access points, but didn't get a connection. Since I didn't install Fedora, the laptop still has Debian on it I've just downloaded Ubuntu and am going to try that next. -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 15:20:42 2014 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 15:20:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Wifi problem on laptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not sure if the chipset question was answered. Anyway, did you install firmware if it's something like Intel or Broadcom? These may be able to see networks with the kernel drivers but not much else without firmware (which supplement kernel drivers and are a separate download). -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Brian Wood wrote: > Erik Anderson: > > >> You can upgrade your kernel[1], you know, right? >> >> [1]: https://wiki.debian.org/HowToUpgradeKernel > > I didn't think about that. > > Fedora seemed to be about the same -- it found some > access points, but didn't get a connection. Since I > didn't install Fedora, the laptop still has Debian on it > I've just downloaded Ubuntu and am going to try that > next. > > -- > Brian > Ebenezer Enterprises > http://webEbenezer.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 15:31:02 2014 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 15:31:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Wifi problem on laptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Brian Wood wrote: > > I've just downloaded Ubuntu and am going to try that > next. > > Ubuntu works. -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Debian and > Fedora tests I did earlier were also at home. So I'm not > sure what the problem is. When it worked at the office, > I hoped it would also be fine at home. > Do you have 802.11G at the office but 802.11N at home or some other configuration like that? My network card doesn't work well with 802.11N in some configurations, but is rock solid under 802.11G. > I haven't figured out how to get a terminal on Ubuntu yet. > You can probably type Alt-F2, then type "gnome-terminal" and hit enter. Did you ever figure out which chipset you have? Once you get a terminal open, run this command lspci -v | grep -i net -A 8 and send the response.to the list. -- Michael Moore -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From kc0iog at gmail.com Fri Apr 18 13:50:29 2014 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 13:50:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Wifi problem on laptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > My network card doesn't work well with 802.11N in some configurations, but > is rock solid under 802.11G. > Did you ever figure out which chipset you have? Once you get a terminal > open, run this command > > lspci -v | grep -i net -A 8 I just went through this excercise, so I'll post my 2 cents. I have no idea if this is relevant, but it may be helpful. I have a new-ish Core i3 laptop with a Realtek wired connection and a Ralink wireless card. I couldn't get the wireless working in Debian Wheezy. I installed Wheezy from a jigdo ISO so I knew it was the latest kernel, etc. I finally fixed the issue this morning. Steps I took: Connected via wired connection Added contrib and non-free to my sources.list (required files are non-free binaries) apt-get update apt-get install firmware-ralink apt-get install firmware-realtek I don't know if it was required, but I went to /lib/firmware and set all the files to permission 664. I read a blog post about someone who had an issue because the files weren't the correct permissions. I figured it couldn't hurt. Those commands re-write the initrd, so I figured it was best to reboot. After a reboot, with wired connection unplugged, I was able to connect to wireless. Brian From ron at ron-l-j.com Fri Apr 18 21:42:25 2014 From: ron at ron-l-j.com (ron at ron-l-j.com) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 20:42:25 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian wifi Message-ID: <0de3969b7031444fd1148505ba1c7f49.squirrel@box397.bluehost.com> Brian, Lspci should out put your wireless devices, and there is a list of supported wireless devices on the debian wiki https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi Acer TravelMate 4020 has an Intel 2200BG wireless card and is common enough. The configuration commands for that chipset are available here https://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 It should be a relatively painless setup. , Ron From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Sat Apr 19 09:11:15 2014 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 09:11:15 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Debian wifi In-Reply-To: <0de3969b7031444fd1148505ba1c7f49.squirrel@box397.bluehost.com> References: <0de3969b7031444fd1148505ba1c7f49.squirrel@box397.bluehost.com> Message-ID: That is the same card I have on my older laptop. Works great with recent Linux kernels and necessary firmware. -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 9:42 PM, wrote: > Brian, > Lspci should out put your wireless devices, and there is a list of > supported wireless devices on the debian wiki https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi > Acer TravelMate 4020 has an Intel 2200BG wireless card and is common enough. > The configuration commands for that chipset are available here > https://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200 > It should be a relatively painless setup. > , Ron > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Sat Apr 19 11:13:57 2014 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 11:13:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Wifi problem on laptop Message-ID: Michael Moore: > Do you have 802.11G at the office but 802.11N at home or some other > configuration like that? These troubles encouraged me to switch internet service providers. I should be getting faster and cheaper internet at home in a week or so. I hope the new setup will make this particular problem disappear. I'll let you know. I didn't dig up heartbleed thread, but noticed Obamacare website is telling people to change their passwords. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20140419/DAD90DHO2.html I think it is world's most expensive website... -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - Heavenly code. http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erikerik at gmail.com Sat Apr 19 12:36:00 2014 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 12:36:00 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Wifi problem on laptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Brian Wood wrote: > These troubles encouraged me to switch internet service providers. Just curious - what does your internet provider have to do with how things are implemented on your internal network? Where your bits go after leaving your network have no bearing on this problem you're trying to solve. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Sun Apr 20 00:58:53 2014 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 00:58:53 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Need 8 floppy drives Message-ID: <5353621D.4050207@gmail.com> I am in need of as many old floppy drives that I can get my hands on. The magic # I am looking for is 8, but would be interested in more. I will give cash, or trade. If anyone still has a pile of these drives collecting dust let me know. Thanks! Mr. B-o-B From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Sun Apr 20 13:01:01 2014 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 13:01:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Wifi problem on laptop Message-ID: Erik Anderson: > Just curious - what does your internet provider have to do with how > things are implemented on your internal network? I'll be getting a new router or modem. Since the laptop wireless worked fine at the office, I figure it has something to do with the router/modem at home. Rather than trying to compensate for that with a software fix, I hope the problem will be resolved by using newer hardware. -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jasonwright365 at gmail.com Sun Apr 20 13:36:39 2014 From: jasonwright365 at gmail.com (Jason Wright) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 12:36:39 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Need 8 floppy drives In-Reply-To: <5353621D.4050207@gmail.com> References: <5353621D.4050207@gmail.com> Message-ID: I often get a bunch of floppy drives... usually in old computers. I currently have at least 8, maybe 12 or more that I can send to you. (I'm not local - 90 miles from las Vegas) they are IDE 3.5" floppy drives. While I haven't tested, they should be compatible with sata or usb if you have the appropriate adaptor. I'll stuff as many as I can find in a usps medium flat rate box. in return, I'd like (almost) any working dual core laptop with readable windows coa (xp, Vista or win7).... hard drive does not need to be sent (I securely erase it if you do). More details can be provided off-list, if interested. Our of curiosity, what will you use these floppy drives for? Thanks, Jason Wright I am in need of as many old floppy drives that I can get my hands on. The magic # I am looking for is 8, but would be interested in more. I will give cash, or trade. If anyone still has a pile of these drives collecting dust let me know. Thanks! Mr. B-o-B _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From n0nas at amsat.org Sun Apr 20 14:47:19 2014 From: n0nas at amsat.org (Doug Reed) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 14:47:19 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Need 8 floppy drives Message-ID: Hi Mr B-o-B! You didn't say what kind of drives you are looking for; 3.5" high density, 3.5" standard density, 5.25" high density, 5.25" standard density 80 track or 40 track, double sided or single sided, or 8" high density, low density, hard sector, soft sector, or Vydeck. I will say that if this is for a disk duplication project where you will be using 3.5" or 5.25" HD drives, you have the best chance of success. If you are doing anything that requires making both 5.25" HD disks and 5.25" 360K low density disks, you should plan to have two sets of 5.25" drives because the track read-write width was different between 360K low density 40 track and 1.2MB high density 80 track. Chances are good you will not be using 8" drives, but if you do, there used to be software that would let you read 8" drives on your PC if you made your own control cable. It has been too many years to remember now but I know there was something about the old PC floppy disk controllers that made me buy a special controller card to get full capability for reading odd disk formats. Linux might even be the ideal OS for this kind of work since you can probably do anything you want with the right drivers. The final recommendation would be that you consider your options for proving the drives are good. I know that I've had good drives and bad drives over the years. Good drives usually had a bit better read-write head and electronics that gave a bit more margin on read. Bad drives had less margin and tended to give more read errors with marginal floppy disks, particularly when you get into high density media. And if you have 8 random drives from different vendors and manufacture dates, you probably have 8 drives with different physical alignment of the heads and no two the same. This tends to show up as difficulty reading a test disk, particularly on the inner tracks where data bits are packed the tightest on the media. I used to test my PC drives by formatting disks on each of them, then doing a surface scan of the disks as I swapped them between the other drives. Then I'd try to make sense of which drives had read errors on which floppies. The "keeper" drives were the ones that had no errors reading each other's disks since I could reasonably assume they had similar alignment and good read margin. 30 years ago in the TRS-80 days, I had 3.5", 5.25", and 8" floppy drive alignment disks where I worked and I frequently aligned the floppy drives when they were returned to the shop. I haven't seen anyone selling alignment disks for along time now, and since 3.5" and 5.25" drives are common as sand, I don't know that I'd bother with it today. Easier just to get a couple more drives and test them as above. And if you are duplicating floppies, be sure to pay attention to getting quality media. The cheaper disks are usually cheaper for a reason. Anyone who fought with 5.25" HD media knows that very well. The worst media I ever saw was at a three letter government agency and came from the lowest bidder. When you held it to the light and looked at the shiny surface, it looked like it had freckles. Each freckle was a high spot on the media that had been scraped off when the head went by and coated the read head like frost on your windshield on a cold winter morning. The build-up on the head reduced read margin until the drive couldn't read anything! If you can't collect enough old drives from the TClug list, you might want to put a Want on Craig's List or simply pick up some of the Free-haul-it-away computers on the list. Worst case I can give you the email address for a guy who scraps old computers as his business, but he might be the worst place to look since most of his scrap comes from companies that got rid of 5.25" drives 15-20 years ago. If none of the above pans out, your last option might be the local hamfest (electronic swap meet, flea market) on June 7 in St Paul near 3M Center. You'd have a pretty good chance of collecting a dozen drives out there, although 5" drives are getting pretty old even for hams...... I gave half a dozen old computers and drives to the scrapper last fall. I might have a few more drives if I look and knew what you wanted. :-) Doug Reed. On 4/20/14, tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org wrote: > Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 00:58:53 -0500 > From: B-o-B De Mars > To: TCLUG > Subject: [tclug-list] Need 8 floppy drives > > I am in need of as many old floppy drives that I can get my hands on. > The magic # I am looking for is 8, but would be interested in more. > I will give cash, or trade. > If anyone still has a pile of these drives collecting dust let me know. > Thanks! > > Mr. B-o-B From jasonwright365 at gmail.com Sun Apr 20 15:58:48 2014 From: jasonwright365 at gmail.com (Jason Wright) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 14:58:48 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Need 8 floppy drives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I do not know the density of the hard drives. I believe that most are high density- they come from computers that also have cdrom drives- relatively newer by comparison to when 3.5 in drives came out. They come from desktop and laptop computers. I assume that all the drives work, but will not test them. If a trade is not possible, i can also sell them for $5 each (including shipping). If any are found not working or not high density, I will refund the prorated price. I recycle and refurbish computers... if I can sell good parts for reuse, I'll give a fair deal. Thanks, Jason On Apr 20, 2014 12:47 PM, "Doug Reed" wrote: > Hi Mr B-o-B! > > You didn't say what kind of drives you are looking for; 3.5" high > density, 3.5" standard density, 5.25" high density, 5.25" standard > density 80 track or 40 track, double sided or single sided, or 8" high > density, low density, hard sector, soft sector, or Vydeck. > > I will say that if this is for a disk duplication project where you > will be using 3.5" or 5.25" HD drives, you have the best chance of > success. If you are doing anything that requires making both 5.25" HD > disks and 5.25" 360K low density disks, you should plan to have two > sets of 5.25" drives because the track read-write width was different > between 360K low density 40 track and 1.2MB high density 80 track. > > Chances are good you will not be using 8" drives, but if you do, there > used to be software that would let you read 8" drives on your PC if > you made your own control cable. It has been too many years to > remember now but I know there was something about the old PC floppy > disk controllers that made me buy a special controller card to get > full capability for reading odd disk formats. Linux might even be the > ideal OS for this kind of work since you can probably do anything you > want with the right drivers. > > The final recommendation would be that you consider your options for > proving the drives are good. I know that I've had good drives and bad > drives over the years. Good drives usually had a bit better read-write > head and electronics that gave a bit more margin on read. Bad drives > had less margin and tended to give more read errors with marginal > floppy disks, particularly when you get into high density media. > > And if you have 8 random drives from different vendors and manufacture > dates, you probably have 8 drives with different physical alignment of > the heads and no two the same. This tends to show up as difficulty > reading a test disk, particularly on the inner tracks where data bits > are packed the tightest on the media. I used to test my PC drives by > formatting disks on each of them, then doing a surface scan of the > disks as I swapped them between the other drives. Then I'd try to make > sense of which drives had read errors on which floppies. The "keeper" > drives were the ones that had no errors reading each other's disks > since I could reasonably assume they had similar alignment and good > read margin. > > 30 years ago in the TRS-80 days, I had 3.5", 5.25", and 8" floppy > drive alignment disks where I worked and I frequently aligned the > floppy drives when they were returned to the shop. I haven't seen > anyone selling alignment disks for along time now, and since 3.5" and > 5.25" drives are common as sand, I don't know that I'd bother with it > today. Easier just to get a couple more drives and test them as above. > > And if you are duplicating floppies, be sure to pay attention to > getting quality media. The cheaper disks are usually cheaper for a > reason. Anyone who fought with 5.25" HD media knows that very well. > The worst media I ever saw was at a three letter government agency and > came from the lowest bidder. When you held it to the light and looked > at the shiny surface, it looked like it had freckles. Each freckle was > a high spot on the media that had been scraped off when the head went > by and coated the read head like frost on your windshield on a cold > winter morning. The build-up on the head reduced read margin until the > drive couldn't read anything! > > If you can't collect enough old drives from the TClug list, you might > want to put a Want on Craig's List or simply pick up some of the > Free-haul-it-away computers on the list. Worst case I can give you the > email address for a guy who scraps old computers as his business, but > he might be the worst place to look since most of his scrap comes from > companies that got rid of 5.25" drives 15-20 years ago. > > > If none of the above pans out, your last option might be the local > hamfest (electronic swap meet, flea market) on June 7 in St Paul near > 3M Center. You'd have a pretty good chance of collecting a dozen > drives out there, although 5" drives are getting pretty old even for > hams...... I gave half a dozen old computers and drives to the > scrapper last fall. I might have a few more drives if I look and knew > what you wanted. :-) > > Doug Reed. > > > On 4/20/14, tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > wrote: > > Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 00:58:53 -0500 > > From: B-o-B De Mars > > To: TCLUG > > Subject: [tclug-list] Need 8 floppy drives > > > > I am in need of as many old floppy drives that I can get my hands on. > > The magic # I am looking for is 8, but would be interested in more. > > I will give cash, or trade. > > If anyone still has a pile of these drives collecting dust let me know. > > Thanks! > > > > Mr. B-o-B > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rather than trying > to compensate for that with a software fix, I hope the > problem will be resolved by using newer hardware. > > -- > Brian > Ebenezer Enterprises > http://webEbenezer.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erikerik at gmail.com Sun Apr 20 20:22:08 2014 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 20:22:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Wifi problem on laptop In-Reply-To: <6A20EB35-6E3C-40D5-8742-061DF1B7A554@me.com> References: <6A20EB35-6E3C-40D5-8742-061DF1B7A554@me.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > How about buy a different WiFi device and forego the (usually) sub-par > hardware provided by your ISP? Agreed. 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I think I can fulfill your request with one stop. I have quite a few here. Not all are tested lately, but I never save ones which I am sure are not working when I remove them from a case. Ken Lynes You can reach me at kenlynes at usa.net or call me 612-331-7429 ------ Original Message ------ Received: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 12:00:19 PM CDT From: tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: tclug-list Digest, Vol 112, Issue 39 > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Wifi problem on laptop (Erik Anderson) > 2. Need 8 floppy drives (B-o-B De Mars) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 12:36:00 -0500 > From: Erik Anderson > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Wifi problem on laptop > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Brian Wood wrote: > > > These troubles encouraged me to switch internet service providers. > > > Just curious - what does your internet provider have to do with how things > are implemented on your internal network? Where your bits go after leaving > your network have no bearing on this problem you're trying to solve. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 00:58:53 -0500 > From: B-o-B De Mars > To: TCLUG > Subject: [tclug-list] Need 8 floppy drives > Message-ID: <5353621D.4050207 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I am in need of as many old floppy drives that I can get my hands on. > > The magic # I am looking for is 8, but would be interested in more. > > I will give cash, or trade. > > If anyone still has a pile of these drives collecting dust let me know. > > Thanks! > > Mr. B-o-B > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 112, Issue 39 > ******************************************* From pj.world at hotmail.com Fri Apr 18 19:14:39 2014 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 19:14:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. Message-ID: I have been working on trying to learn how to properly setup a 'Visitor Account' on my laptop. Everything seem ok so far, I have a couple screenshots 'shown below' to ask what you may think about this scenario so far. Suggestions are certainly welcome. <----------Terminal permissions <----------Users shown in Cinnamon <---------users, groups, etc. Note: when 'visitor' is clicked 'not shown above' there is nothing but 'visitor' shown within 'Groups'. Note: that I added visitor to administrator group 'that should be correct right in order to access visitor through admin? I can 'cd' into visitor as user 'paul. When I login to visitor from the splash screen and try to access 'paul' via terminal 'permission is denied' The end goal is to ensure 'visitor' cannot access sudo or other sudoers or users files whatsoever'. Any thoughts as far as how this may be setup improperly? Thank you, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chapinjeff at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 13:21:38 2014 From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 13:21:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Do not put the 'visitor' account in the administrator group. There is no reason to give a visitor account administrative access -- the whole point of a visitor account is to limit them to only the access they need. On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 7:14 PM, paul g wrote: > I have been working on trying to learn how to properly setup a 'Visitor > Account' on my laptop. Everything seem ok so far, I have a couple > screenshots 'shown below' to ask what you may think about this scenario so > far. Suggestions are certainly welcome. > > [image: Visitor-ACCT.png] > <----------Terminal permissions > > [image: Users-Groups1.png] > <----------Users shown in Cinnamon > > [image: Users-Groups-Settings1.png] > <---------users, groups, etc. > > Note: when 'visitor' is clicked 'not shown above' there is nothing but > 'visitor' shown within 'Groups'. > > Note: that I added visitor to administrator group 'that should be correct > right in order to access visitor through admin? I can 'cd' into visitor as > user 'paul. When I login to visitor from the splash screen and try to > access 'paul' via terminal 'permission is denied' > > The end goal is to ensure 'visitor' cannot access sudo or other sudoers or > users files whatsoever'. > > Any thoughts as far as how this may be setup improperly? > > Thank you, > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Jeff Chapin President, CedarLug, retired President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" President, UNI Scuba Club Senator, NISG, retired -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Mon Apr 21 15:03:48 2014 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 15:03:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > Note: that I added visitor to administrator group 'that should be correct > right in order to access visitor through admin? NO. That's the exact OPPOSITE of what you want. What you did there was let "visitor" access everything owned by Administrators. You should add paul to administrators or sudo or whatever you hve there, and use sudo to access stuff that would otherwise be restricter. A guest account should never, ever, ever have nay kind of extended rights on a system. -- From pj.world at hotmail.com Mon Apr 21 17:35:50 2014 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 17:35:50 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Makes more sense now for me I guess. Heres a screenshot of 'visitor' It is showing that visitor is member of visitors group that's it. If I can ask why when user 'paul' is selected it does not show that 'paul is a member of paul's group'? is it because 'paul' is an administrator? Thanks for your help. > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 15:03:48 -0500 > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. > > On Fri, 18 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > Note: that I added visitor to administrator group 'that should be correct > > right in order to access visitor through admin? > > NO. That's the exact OPPOSITE of what you want. What you did there was let > "visitor" access everything owned by Administrators. > > You should add paul to administrators or sudo or whatever you hve there, > and use sudo to access stuff that would otherwise be restricter. A guest > account should never, ever, ever have nay kind of extended rights on a > system. > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Mon Apr 21 17:43:04 2014 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 17:43:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > If I can ask why when user 'paul' is selected it does not show that 'paul is > a member of paul's group'? > is it because 'paul' is an administrator? "paul" is probably in many groups. There's really no need to create a group specifically for "paul" since "paul" is a regular user, not a special user. You're not going to create multiple users who have the same special access as "paul" does. Groups are for combining roles, so you'll have "users", "administrators", etc. From pj.world at hotmail.com Mon Apr 21 18:26:08 2014 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 18:26:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. In-Reply-To: References: , , , , Message-ID: Thank you for your reply. 1. Is there a relatively simple way to prohibit 'visitor' from removing files/folders from their home directory? Such as .mozilla? etc. Which of course could end up ruining their account. [could a solution be removing 'visitors' write permissions? Hopefully 'visitor' would still be able to write a file to the Shared folder then correct? 2. A while back I read a page on the 'ask ubuntu' website concerning 'prohibiting guest from emptying trash folder and deleting files' There were about 4 steps that semi worked as I recall. 'visitor' was unable to empty trash at the end. Though 'visitor' was still able to enter the file manager and delete files that way. I ended up reverting everything within 'visitors' account back to standard settings. So if I remove the 'write permissions' from 'visitor' leave group alone so 'visitors' permissions would look like this: dr-xrwx--- 29 visitor visitor 4.0K Apr 18 19:22 visitor Any ideas on this matter? Attached to this email is a screenshot of the systems installed users permissions/groups on the computer as of now shown in the bash-terminal. Thanks for your help. > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 17:43:04 -0500 > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. > > On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > If I can ask why when user 'paul' is selected it does not show that 'paul is > > a member of paul's group'? > > is it because 'paul' is an administrator? > > "paul" is probably in many groups. There's really no need to create a > group specifically for "paul" since "paul" is a regular user, not a > special user. You're not going to create multiple users who have the same > special access as "paul" does. > > Groups are for combining roles, so you'll have "users", "administrators", > etc. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Users10.png Type: image/png Size: 62909 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Mon Apr 21 18:35:00 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 18:35:00 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Seconded. In the BSD world we have ?wheel? instead of a labeled administrator group. I have 30 or so ?special? accounts that are for my photographers so they?re in a group called ?photographers?. Plus, having special tasks running in the background, having that group is advantageous because I have those tasks only target those folders. And since some of these tasks are directly created/spawned by web server function I can somewhat protect myself. Somewhat. I don?t recommend doing it, though, unless you?re very experienced and especially careful. I once had a photographer (many moons ago when I was young and dumb) delete 15 games worth of photos. She got click-happy and my other photographers wre not impressed having to reupload all their photos. She blamed it on a medical condition; I, on the other hand, knew better and asked her some technical support-style questions. When logic was not the issue I terminated her contract. Live and learn. At least it was an easy ?oops? to overcome. Most others, though, are not. tl;dr - make sure you CYA when you set things up. On Apr 21, 2014, at 5:43 PM, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote: > On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > >> If I can ask why when user 'paul' is selected it does not show that 'paul is >> a member of paul's group'? >> is it because 'paul' is an administrator? > > "paul" is probably in many groups. There's really no need to create a group specifically for "paul" since "paul" is a regular user, not a special user. You're not going to create multiple users who have the same special access as "paul" does. > > Groups are for combining roles, so you'll have "users", "administrators", etc. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From pj.world at hotmail.com Mon Apr 21 19:06:56 2014 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 19:06:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. In-Reply-To: References: , , , , Message-ID: I know that removing 'visitor' write permissions is probably not the correct procedure. Cause how this computer setup as now gives ownership of the [Shared] to everyone who has an account on the system thus dissallowing [visitors/guests to write]. Your help is appreciated. More understanding on my end is necessary that is obvious. What I hope to know now is well... in the Debian world fact is---add users to specific groups not just add groups to users. <----Is that the right way I should be thinking? I'll read more thanks Ryan. Thanks for all your help. > From: ryanjcole at me.com > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 18:35:00 -0500 > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. > > Seconded. > > In the BSD world we have ?wheel? instead of a labeled administrator group. I have 30 or so ?special? accounts that are for my photographers so they?re in a group called ?photographers?. > > Plus, having special tasks running in the background, having that group is advantageous because I have those tasks only target those folders. And since some of these tasks are directly created/spawned by web server function I can somewhat protect myself. > > Somewhat. > > I don?t recommend doing it, though, unless you?re very experienced and especially careful. I once had a photographer (many moons ago when I was young and dumb) delete 15 games worth of photos. She got click-happy and my other photographers wre not impressed having to reupload all their photos. > > She blamed it on a medical condition; I, on the other hand, knew better and asked her some technical support-style questions. When logic was not the issue I terminated her contract. > > Live and learn. At least it was an easy ?oops? to overcome. Most others, though, are not. > > tl;dr - make sure you CYA when you set things up. > > > On Apr 21, 2014, at 5:43 PM, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote: > > > On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > >> If I can ask why when user 'paul' is selected it does not show that 'paul is > >> a member of paul's group'? > >> is it because 'paul' is an administrator? > > > > "paul" is probably in many groups. There's really no need to create a group specifically for "paul" since "paul" is a regular user, not a special user. You're not going to create multiple users who have the same special access as "paul" does. > > > > Groups are for combining roles, so you'll have "users", "administrators", etc. > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Mon Apr 21 19:12:03 2014 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 19:12:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. In-Reply-To: References: , , , , Message-ID: You can easily remove write permission from that user's directory. If you go into their homedir and chmod -R ugo-w . You'll need to have privs to do that to that homedir, so either sudo or whatever you're using. That'll remove write permissions while still allowing the user to read everything. Of course, the user could always use a terminal to chmod u+w on that directory, since they are still the owner. If you want a failsafe method, you need to go in as root and make root the owner of his directory and THEN remove the write permission while granting read! So something like this: chown -R root:root . find . -type f -exec chmod 444 {} \; find . -type d -exec chmod 555 {} \; (Yeah I did that the lazy way). HOWEVER, note that with both methods, this will also prevent that user from modifying anything. So no cache, no temporary files (in their homedir), no new bookmarks, no saving any kind of config file, and probably some other stuff peograms want to write in the homedir. Of course, This might be exactly what you want. But it might have some unexpected side-effects. Best thing to do is login as your guest account, do the initial setup on any program you want to make sure will work, and then change the ownership/permissions. On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > Thank you for your reply. > > 1. Is there a relatively simple way to prohibit 'visitor' from removing > files/folders from their home directory? Such as .mozilla? etc. Which of > course could end up ruining their account. [could a solution be removing > 'visitors' write permissions? Hopefully 'visitor' would still be able to > write a file to the Shared folder then correct? > > 2. A while back I read a page on the 'ask ubuntu' website concerning > 'prohibiting guest from emptying trash folder and deleting files' There were > about 4 steps that semi worked as I recall. 'visitor' was unable to empty > trash at the end. Though 'visitor' was still able to enter the file manager > and delete files that way. I ended up reverting everything within 'visitors' > account back to standard settings. > > So if I remove the 'write permissions' from 'visitor' leave group alone so > 'visitors' permissions would look like this: dr-xrwx--- 29 visitor visitor > 4.0K Apr 18 19:22 visitor > > Any ideas on this matter? > > Attached to this email is a screenshot of the systems installed users > permissions/groups on the computer as of now shown in the bash-terminal. > > Thanks for your help. > > > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 17:43:04 -0500 > > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. > > > > On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > > > If I can ask why when user 'paul' is selected it does not show that > 'paul is > > > a member of paul's group'? > > > is it because 'paul' is an administrator? > > > > "paul" is probably in many groups. There's really no need to create a > > group specifically for "paul" since "paul" is a regular user, not a > > special user. You're not going to create multiple users who have the same > > special access as "paul" does. > > > > Groups are for combining roles, so you'll have "users", "administrators", > > etc. > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From pj.world at hotmail.com Mon Apr 21 19:16:55 2014 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 19:16:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Firefox 28 on Ubuntu 10.04 [Solved] In-Reply-To: <7178.1395893739@ydalir.wookimus> References: , ,,, ,,, ,,, ,,, ,,, , , , , , , , <7178.1395893739@ydalir.wookimus> Message-ID: Thanks everyone for helping with this old post. I actually found out that /etc/environment is actually preferred for setting system wide path. I attached a bit of reading to anyone interested. System-wide environment variables A suitable file for environment variable settings that affect the system as a whole (rather than just a particular user) is /etc/environment. An alternative is to create a file for the purpose in the /etc/profile.d directory. /etc/environment This file is specifically meant for system-wide environment variable settings. It is not a script file, but rather consists of assignment expressions, one per line. FOO=barNote: Variable expansion does not work in /etc/environment. /etc/profile.d/*.sh Files with the .sh extension in the /etc/profile.d directory get executed whenever a bash login shell is entered (e.g. when logging in from the console or over ssh), as well as by the DisplayManager when the desktop session loads. You can for instance create the file /etc/profile.d/myenvvars.sh and set variables like this: export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0 export PATH=$PATH:$JAVA_HOME/bin Other files While /etc/profile is often suggested for setting environment variables system-wide, it is a configuration file of the base-files package, so it's not appropriate to edit that file directly. Use a file in /etc/profile.d instead as shown above. (Files in /etc/profile.d are sourced by /etc/profile.) /etc/default/locale is specifically meant for system-wide locale environment variable settings. It's written to by the installer and when you use Language Support to set the language or regional formats system-wide. On a desktop system there is normally no reason to edit this file manually. The shell config file /etc/bash.bashrc is sometimes suggested for setting environment variables system-wide. While this may work on Bash shells for programs started from the shell, variables set in that file are not available by default to programs started from the graphical environment in a desktop session. Thanks, paul > From: chewie at wookimus.net > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 23:15:39 -0500 > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Firefox 28 on Ubuntu 10.04 [Solved] > > Mike Miller wrote: > > I wonder why. Where does PATH get set? I don't see PATH in > > /etc/bash.bashrc or in /etc/profile, but it is coming from > > somewhere. Anyone know where? > > Default PATH's are generally set in your /etc/login.defs as ENV_PATH for > users and ENV_SUPATH for super-users. This will set the default paths > regardless of the shell you're using or how that shell was invoked. > > man -s5 login.defs > > Chad > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Mon Apr 21 20:01:28 2014 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 20:01:28 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , , , , , Message-ID: Now what does the [.] mean in the lines you gave? Users Name? right? I'd use like 'chmod u-w visitor'. Can the visitor still write to the Shared folder then? <----i'll check it. Of course, the user could always use a terminal to chmod u+w on that > directory, since they are still the owner. If you want a failsafe method, > you need to go in as root and make root the owner of his directory and > THEN remove the write permission while granting read! So something like > this: chown -R root:root . > find . -type f -exec chmod 444 {} \; > find . -type d -exec chmod 555 {} \; > HOWEVER, note that with both methods, this will also prevent that user > from modifying anything. So no cache, no temporary files (in their > homedir), no new bookmarks, no saving any kind of config file, and > probably some other stuff peograms want to write in the homedir. > > Of course, This might be exactly what you want. But it might have some > unexpected side-effects. Best thing to do is login as your guest account, > do the initial setup on any program you want to make sure will work, and > then change the ownership/permissions. ---------------------------------------------------------->I better read alot more! change the group ownership to visitor:root?<------I better read more! To much confusion for a noober Completely awesome! Thought: Guest accounts are relatively easy to setup so if it blows up no big deal--rebuild.[ya right] Thought: Reading is good trying to understand can be more difficult<----look at paul.<-me Thought: learn permission numbering. [like 555] [644] [777] Thank you, > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 19:12:03 -0500 > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. > > You can easily remove write permission from that user's directory. If you > go into their homedir and > > chmod -R ugo-w . > > You'll need to have privs to do that to that homedir, so either sudo or > whatever you're using. > > That'll remove write permissions while still allowing the user to read > everything. > > Of course, the user could always use a terminal to chmod u+w on that > directory, since they are still the owner. If you want a failsafe method, > you need to go in as root and make root the owner of his directory and > THEN remove the write permission while granting read! So something like > this: > > chown -R root:root . > find . -type f -exec chmod 444 {} \; > find . -type d -exec chmod 555 {} \; > > (Yeah I did that the lazy way). > > > > > > On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > Thank you for your reply. > > > > 1. Is there a relatively simple way to prohibit 'visitor' from removing > > files/folders from their home directory? Such as .mozilla? etc. Which of > > course could end up ruining their account. [could a solution be removing > > 'visitors' write permissions? Hopefully 'visitor' would still be able to > > write a file to the Shared folder then correct? > > > > 2. A while back I read a page on the 'ask ubuntu' website concerning > > 'prohibiting guest from emptying trash folder and deleting files' There were > > about 4 steps that semi worked as I recall. 'visitor' was unable to empty > > trash at the end. Though 'visitor' was still able to enter the file manager > > and delete files that way. I ended up reverting everything within 'visitors' > > account back to standard settings. > > > > So if I remove the 'write permissions' from 'visitor' leave group alone so > > 'visitors' permissions would look like this: dr-xrwx--- 29 visitor visitor > > 4.0K Apr 18 19:22 visitor > > > > Any ideas on this matter? > > > > Attached to this email is a screenshot of the systems installed users > > permissions/groups on the computer as of now shown in the bash-terminal. > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 17:43:04 -0500 > > > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. > > > > > > On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > > > > > If I can ask why when user 'paul' is selected it does not show that > > 'paul is > > > > a member of paul's group'? > > > > is it because 'paul' is an administrator? > > > > > > "paul" is probably in many groups. 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System-wide environment variables A suitable file for environment variable settings that affect the system as a whole (rather than just a particular user) is /etc/environment. An alternative is to create a file for the purpose in the /etc/profile.d directory. /etc/environment This file is specifically meant for system-wide environment variable settings. It is not a script file, but rather consists of assignment expressions, one per line. FOO=barNote: Variable expansion does not work in /etc/environment. /etc/profile.d/*.sh Files with the .sh extension in the /etc/profile.d directory get executed whenever a bash login shell is entered (e.g. when logging in from the console or over ssh), as well as by the DisplayManager when the desktop session loads. You can for instance create the file /etc/profile.d/myenvvars.sh and set variables like this: export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0 export PATH=$PATH:$JAVA_HOME/bin Other files While /etc/profile is often suggested for setting environment variables system-wide, it is a configuration file of the base-files package, so it's not appropriate to edit that file directly. Use a file in /etc/profile.d instead as shown above. (Files in /etc/profile.d are sourced by /etc/profile.) /etc/default/locale is specifically meant for system-wide locale environment variable settings. It's written to by the installer and when you use Language Support to set the language or regional formats system-wide. On a desktop system there is normally no reason to edit this file manually. The shell config file /etc/bash.bashrc is sometimes suggested for setting environment variables system-wide. While this may work on Bash shells for programs started from the shell, variables set in that file are not available by default to programs started from the graphical environment in a desktop session. Thanks, paul > From: chewie at wookimus.net > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 23:15:39 -0500 > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Firefox 28 on Ubuntu 10.04 [Solved] > > Mike Miller wrote: > > I wonder why. Where does PATH get set? I don't see PATH in > > /etc/bash.bashrc or in /etc/profile, but it is coming from > > somewhere. Anyone know where? > > Default PATH's are generally set in your /etc/login.defs as ENV_PATH for > users and ENV_SUPATH for super-users. This will set the default paths > regardless of the shell you're using or how that shell was invoked. > > man -s5 login.defs > > Chad > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erikerik at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 20:55:27 2014 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 20:55:27 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Firefox 28 on Ubuntu 10.04 [UnSolved] In-Reply-To: References: <7178.1395893739@ydalir.wookimus> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:18 PM, paul g wrote: > FOO=bar <----mean? Those are environment variables. Open up a command prompt and type "env" to see your current environment variables listed. Some of these variables are system-wide variables, set from the /etc/environment file, and some are per-user variables, set in your ~/.bashrc for instance. You can manually set an environment variable if needed with something like: $ export MYSWEETVARIABLE=foobar ...then you can verify it's been set: $ env | grep SWEET MYSWEETVARIABLE=foobar Note: this variable will only exist for your current shell instance. Once you exit that shell, the variable will go away. If you need persistent environment variables, add them to your ~/.bashrc file. Also note: if you need a variable to only last for the execution of a single command, you can do this: $ MYSWEETVARIABLE=foobar /path/to/command -Erik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Mon Apr 21 21:02:33 2014 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:02:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. In-Reply-To: References: ,,, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Message-ID: I removed write permissions from 'visitor' account <--via the 'sudo chmod u-w visitor' Does not load 'No access'. to the 'visitor' account Error is reported as follows during opening the 'visitor' account via splashscreen. 'Could not update ICEauthority file /home/visitor/.ICEauthority' Your suggestions are helpful. Thank you, Sorry to ask so many questions. From: pj.world at hotmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 20:01:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. Now what does the [.] mean in the lines you gave? Users Name? right? I'd use like 'chmod u-w visitor'. Can the visitor still write to the Shared folder then? <----i'll check it. Of course, the user could always use a terminal to chmod u+w on that > directory, since they are still the owner. If you want a failsafe method, > you need to go in as root and make root the owner of his directory and > THEN remove the write permission while granting read! So something like > this: chown -R root:root . > find . -type f -exec chmod 444 {} \; > find . -type d -exec chmod 555 {} \; > HOWEVER, note that with both methods, this will also prevent that user > from modifying anything. So no cache, no temporary files (in their > homedir), no new bookmarks, no saving any kind of config file, and > probably some other stuff peograms want to write in the homedir. > > Of course, This might be exactly what you want. But it might have some > unexpected side-effects. Best thing to do is login as your guest account, > do the initial setup on any program you want to make sure will work, and > then change the ownership/permissions. ---------------------------------------------------------->I better read alot more! change the group ownership to visitor:root?<------I better read more! To much confusion for a noober Completely awesome! Thought: Guest accounts are relatively easy to setup so if it blows up no big deal--rebuild.[ya right] Thought: Reading is good trying to understand can be more difficult<----look at paul.<-me Thought: learn permission numbering. [like 555] [644] [777] Thank you, > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 19:12:03 -0500 > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. > > You can easily remove write permission from that user's directory. If you > go into their homedir and > > chmod -R ugo-w . > > You'll need to have privs to do that to that homedir, so either sudo or > whatever you're using. > > That'll remove write permissions while still allowing the user to read > everything. > > Of course, the user could always use a terminal to chmod u+w on that > directory, since they are still the owner. If you want a failsafe method, > you need to go in as root and make root the owner of his directory and > THEN remove the write permission while granting read! So something like > this: > > chown -R root:root . > find . -type f -exec chmod 444 {} \; > find . -type d -exec chmod 555 {} \; > > (Yeah I did that the lazy way). > > > > > > On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > Thank you for your reply. > > > > 1. Is there a relatively simple way to prohibit 'visitor' from removing > > files/folders from their home directory? Such as .mozilla? etc. Which of > > course could end up ruining their account. [could a solution be removing > > 'visitors' write permissions? Hopefully 'visitor' would still be able to > > write a file to the Shared folder then correct? > > > > 2. A while back I read a page on the 'ask ubuntu' website concerning > > 'prohibiting guest from emptying trash folder and deleting files' There were > > about 4 steps that semi worked as I recall. 'visitor' was unable to empty > > trash at the end. Though 'visitor' was still able to enter the file manager > > and delete files that way. I ended up reverting everything within 'visitors' > > account back to standard settings. > > > > So if I remove the 'write permissions' from 'visitor' leave group alone so > > 'visitors' permissions would look like this: dr-xrwx--- 29 visitor visitor > > 4.0K Apr 18 19:22 visitor > > > > Any ideas on this matter? > > > > Attached to this email is a screenshot of the systems installed users > > permissions/groups on the computer as of now shown in the bash-terminal. > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 17:43:04 -0500 > > > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. > > > > > > On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > > > > > If I can ask why when user 'paul' is selected it does not show that > > 'paul is > > > > a member of paul's group'? > > > > is it because 'paul' is an administrator? > > > > > > "paul" is probably in many groups. There's really no need to create a > > > group specifically for "paul" since "paul" is a regular user, not a > > > special user. You're not going to create multiple users who have the same > > > special access as "paul" does. > > > > > > Groups are for combining roles, so you'll have "users", "administrators", > > > etc. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chapinjeff at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 21:03:37 2014 From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:03:37 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Firefox 28 on Ubuntu 10.04 [UnSolved] In-Reply-To: References: <7178.1395893739@ydalir.wookimus> Message-ID: An example of an assignment expression. On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:18 PM, paul g wrote: > Sorry to double write here but what does. > > > This file is specifically meant for system-wide environment variable > settings. It is not a script file, but rather consists of assignment > expressions, one per line. > > FOO=bar <----mean? > > Thanks. > > > ------------------------------ > From: pj.world at hotmail.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 19:16:55 -0500 > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Firefox 28 on Ubuntu 10.04 [Solved] > > Thanks everyone for helping with this old post. I actually found out that > /etc/environment is actually preferred for setting system wide path. > > I attached a bit of reading to anyone interested. > > System-wide environment variables > > A suitable file for environment variable settings that affect the system > as a whole (rather than just a particular user) is */etc/environment*. An > alternative is to create a file for the purpose in the */etc/profile.d*directory. > > /etc/environment > > This file is specifically meant for system-wide environment variable > settings. It is not a script file, but rather consists of assignment > expressions, one per line. > > FOO=bar > > *Note:* Variable expansion does not work in */etc/environment*. > > /etc/profile.d/*.sh > > Files with the .sh extension in the */etc/profile.d* directory get > executed whenever a bash login shell is entered (e.g. when logging in from > the console or over ssh), as well as by the DisplayManager when the desktop > session loads. > > You can for instance create the file */etc/profile.d/myenvvars.sh* and > set variables like this: > > export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0export PATH=$PATH:$JAVA_HOME/bin > > Other files > > While */etc/profile* is often suggested for setting environment variables > system-wide, it is a configuration file of the base-files package, so it's > not appropriate to edit that file directly. Use a file in */etc/profile.d*instead as shown above. (Files in > */etc/profile.d* are sourced by */etc/profile*.) > > */etc/default/locale* is specifically meant for system-wide localeenvironment variable settings. It's written to by the installer and when > you use Language Support to set the language or regional formats > system-wide. On a desktop system there is normally no reason to edit this > file manually. > The shell config file */etc/bash.bashrc* is sometimes suggested for > setting environment variables system-wide. While this may work on Bash > shells for programs started from the shell, variables set in that file are > not available by default to programs started from the graphical environment > in a desktop session. > > Thanks, > > paul > > > > > From: chewie at wookimus.net > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 23:15:39 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Firefox 28 on Ubuntu 10.04 [Solved] > > > > Mike Miller wrote: > > > I wonder why. Where does PATH get set? I don't see PATH in > > > /etc/bash.bashrc or in /etc/profile, but it is coming from > > > somewhere. Anyone know where? > > > > Default PATH's are generally set in your /etc/login.defs as ENV_PATH for > > users and ENV_SUPATH for super-users. This will set the default paths > > regardless of the shell you're using or how that shell was invoked. > > > > man -s5 login.defs > > > > Chad > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Jeff Chapin President, CedarLug, retired President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" President, UNI Scuba Club Senator, NISG, retired -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Mon Apr 21 21:10:13 2014 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:10:13 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Firefox 28 on Ubuntu 10.04 [UnSolved] In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , , , , , , <7178.1395893739@ydalir.wookimus>, , , Message-ID: Eric wrote something I was reading it and it disappeared I want to know. I already know I am in over my head and I ask to many questions. Thank you Jeff for caring. Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:03:37 -0500 From: chapinjeff at gmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Firefox 28 on Ubuntu 10.04 [UnSolved] An example of an assignment expression. On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:18 PM, paul g wrote: Sorry to double write here but what does. This file is specifically meant for system-wide environment variable settings. It is not a script file, but rather consists of assignment expressions, one per line. FOO=bar <----mean? Thanks. From: pj.world at hotmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 19:16:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Firefox 28 on Ubuntu 10.04 [Solved] Thanks everyone for helping with this old post. I actually found out that /etc/environment is actually preferred for setting system wide path. I attached a bit of reading to anyone interested. System-wide environment variables A suitable file for environment variable settings that affect the system as a whole (rather than just a particular user) is /etc/environment. An alternative is to create a file for the purpose in the /etc/profile.d directory. /etc/environment This file is specifically meant for system-wide environment variable settings. It is not a script file, but rather consists of assignment expressions, one per line. FOO=barNote: Variable expansion does not work in /etc/environment. /etc/profile.d/*.sh Files with the .sh extension in the /etc/profile.d directory get executed whenever a bash login shell is entered (e.g. when logging in from the console or over ssh), as well as by the DisplayManager when the desktop session loads. You can for instance create the file /etc/profile.d/myenvvars.sh and set variables like this: export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0 export PATH=$PATH:$JAVA_HOME/bin Other files While /etc/profile is often suggested for setting environment variables system-wide, it is a configuration file of the base-files package, so it's not appropriate to edit that file directly. Use a file in /etc/profile.d instead as shown above. (Files in /etc/profile.d are sourced by /etc/profile.) /etc/default/locale is specifically meant for system-wide locale environment variable settings. It's written to by the installer and when you use Language Support to set the language or regional formats system-wide. On a desktop system there is normally no reason to edit this file manually. The shell config file /etc/bash.bashrc is sometimes suggested for setting environment variables system-wide. While this may work on Bash shells for programs started from the shell, variables set in that file are not available by default to programs started from the graphical environment in a desktop session. Thanks, paul > From: chewie at wookimus.net > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 23:15:39 -0500 > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Firefox 28 on Ubuntu 10.04 [Solved] > > Mike Miller wrote: > > I wonder why. Where does PATH get set? I don't see PATH in > > /etc/bash.bashrc or in /etc/profile, but it is coming from > > somewhere. Anyone know where? > > Default PATH's are generally set in your /etc/login.defs as ENV_PATH for > users and ENV_SUPATH for super-users. This will set the default paths > regardless of the shell you're using or how that shell was invoked. > > man -s5 login.defs > > Chad > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jeff Chapin President, CedarLug, retired President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" President, UNI Scuba Club Senator, NISG, retired _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Mon Apr 21 21:23:26 2014 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:23:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Message-ID: Yup, warned you that might happen. That file might be required for the DTE you're using, so just go ahead and give the user write permissions on that one file. If it doesn't exist, create it first using touch and then change permissions. Like I mentioned, though, removing write-access for the user "visitor" on files and directories owned by that user is inneffective. The user can always chmod the permissions back! On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > I removed write permissions from 'visitor' account <--via the 'sudo chmod > u-w visitor' > > Does not load 'No access'. to the 'visitor' account? > > Error is reported as follows during opening the 'visitor' account via > splashscreen. > > 'Could not update ICEauthority file /home/visitor/.ICEauthority' > > > > Your suggestions are helpful. > > Thank you, Sorry to ask so many questions. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > From: pj.world at hotmail.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 20:01:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. > > Now what does the [.] mean in the lines you gave? Users Name? right? > > I'd use like 'chmod u-w visitor'. > > Can the visitor still write to the Shared folder then? <----i'll check it. > > Of course, the user could always use a terminal to chmod u+w on that > > directory, since they are still the owner. If you want a failsafe method, > > you need to go in as root and make root the owner of his directory and > > THEN remove the write permission while granting read! So something like > > this: > > chown -R root:root . > > find . -type f -exec chmod 444 {} \; > > find . -type d -exec chmod 555 {} \; > > > HOWEVER, note that with both methods, this will also prevent that user > > from modifying anything. So no cache, no temporary files (in their > > homedir), no new bookmarks, no saving any kind of config file, and > > probably some other stuff peograms want to write in the homedir. > > > > Of course, This might be exactly what you want. But it might have some > > unexpected side-effects. Best thing to do is login as your guest account, > > do the initial setup on any program you want to make sure will work, and > > then change the ownership/permissions. > > ---------------------------------------------------------->I better read > alot more! > > change the group ownership to visitor:root?<------I better read more! > > To much confusion for a noober Completely awesome! > > Thought: Guest accounts are relatively easy to setup so if it blows up no > big deal--rebuild.[ya right] > Thought: Reading is good trying to understand can be more difficult<----look > at paul.<-me > Thought: learn permission numbering. [like 555] [644] [777] > ? > Thank you, > > > > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 19:12:03 -0500 > > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. > > > > You can easily remove write permission from that user's directory. If you > > go into their homedir and > > > > chmod -R ugo-w . > > > > You'll need to have privs to do that to that homedir, so either sudo or > > whatever you're using. > > > > That'll remove write permissions while still allowing the user to read > > everything. > > > > Of course, the user could always use a terminal to chmod u+w on that > > directory, since they are still the owner. If you want a failsafe method, > > you need to go in as root and make root the owner of his directory and > > THEN remove the write permission while granting read! So something like > > this: > > > > chown -R root:root . > > find . -type f -exec chmod 444 {} \; > > find . -type d -exec chmod 555 {} \; > > > > (Yeah I did that the lazy way). > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > > > Thank you for your reply. > > > > > > 1. Is there a relatively simple way to prohibit 'visitor' from removing > > > files/folders from their home directory? Such as .mozilla? etc. Which of > > > course could end up ruining their account. [could a solution be removing > > > 'visitors' write permissions? Hopefully 'visitor' would still be able to > > > write a file to the Shared folder then correct? > > > > > > 2. A while back I read a page on the 'ask ubuntu' website concerning > > > 'prohibiting guest from emptying trash folder and deleting files' There > were > > > about 4 steps that semi worked as I recall. 'visitor' was unable to > empty > > > trash at the end. Though 'visitor' was still able to enter the file > manager > > > and delete files that way. I ended up reverting everything within > 'visitors' > > > account back to standard settings. > > > > > > So if I remove the 'write permissions' from 'visitor' leave group alone > so > > > 'visitors' permissions would look like this: dr-xrwx--- 29 visitor > visitor > > > 4.0K Apr 18 19:22 visitor > > > > > > Any ideas on this matter? > > > > > > Attached to this email is a screenshot of the systems installed users > > > permissions/groups on the computer as of now shown in the bash-terminal. > > > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 17:43:04 -0500 > > > > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > > > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. > > > > > > > > On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > > > > > > > If I can ask why when user 'paul' is selected it does not show that > > > 'paul is > > > > > a member of paul's group'? > > > > > is it because 'paul' is an administrator? > > > > > > > > "paul" is probably in many groups. There's really no need to create a > > > > group specifically for "paul" since "paul" is a regular user, not a > > > > special user. You're not going to create multiple users who have the > same > > > > special access as "paul" does. > > > > > > > > Groups are for combining roles, so you'll have "users", > "administrators", > > > > etc. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From pj.world at hotmail.com Mon Apr 21 22:06:38 2014 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 22:06:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Firefox 28 on Ubuntu 10.04 [UnSolved] In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , <7178.1395893739@ydalir.wookimus>, , , , , , , Message-ID: export MYSWEETVARIABLE=foobar If you need persistent environment variables <----use file 'bash.bash.rc? <--located in '/etc//bash.bashrc <-----correct? What is the point of a situation where persay:--> /etc/environment variable ]good for? For instance: if one wanted to update my computer to a new version of firefox because it's 'outdated' I have ended up adding the newest.firefox.tar program to the /opt directory. ~.bash.rc and /etc/environment both [either] worked well to set the new /opt path. <----which is preferable? Someone needs help heh. Thanks for your time. paul From: pj.world at hotmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:10:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Firefox 28 on Ubuntu 10.04 [UnSolved] Eric wrote something I was reading it and it disappeared I want to know. I already know I am in over my head and I ask to many questions. Thank you Jeff for caring. Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:03:37 -0500 From: chapinjeff at gmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Firefox 28 on Ubuntu 10.04 [UnSolved] An example of an assignment expression. On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:18 PM, paul g wrote: Sorry to double write here but what does. This file is specifically meant for system-wide environment variable settings. It is not a script file, but rather consists of assignment expressions, one per line. FOO=bar <----mean? Thanks. From: pj.world at hotmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 19:16:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Firefox 28 on Ubuntu 10.04 [Solved] Thanks everyone for helping with this old post. I actually found out that /etc/environment is actually preferred for setting system wide path. I attached a bit of reading to anyone interested. System-wide environment variables A suitable file for environment variable settings that affect the system as a whole (rather than just a particular user) is /etc/environment. An alternative is to create a file for the purpose in the /etc/profile.d directory. /etc/environment This file is specifically meant for system-wide environment variable settings. It is not a script file, but rather consists of assignment expressions, one per line. FOO=barNote: Variable expansion does not work in /etc/environment. /etc/profile.d/*.sh Files with the .sh extension in the /etc/profile.d directory get executed whenever a bash login shell is entered (e.g. when logging in from the console or over ssh), as well as by the DisplayManager when the desktop session loads. You can for instance create the file /etc/profile.d/myenvvars.sh and set variables like this: export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/jdk1.7.0 export PATH=$PATH:$JAVA_HOME/bin Other files While /etc/profile is often suggested for setting environment variables system-wide, it is a configuration file of the base-files package, so it's not appropriate to edit that file directly. Use a file in /etc/profile.d instead as shown above. (Files in /etc/profile.d are sourced by /etc/profile.) /etc/default/locale is specifically meant for system-wide locale environment variable settings. It's written to by the installer and when you use Language Support to set the language or regional formats system-wide. On a desktop system there is normally no reason to edit this file manually. The shell config file /etc/bash.bashrc is sometimes suggested for setting environment variables system-wide. While this may work on Bash shells for programs started from the shell, variables set in that file are not available by default to programs started from the graphical environment in a desktop session. Thanks, paul > From: chewie at wookimus.net > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 23:15:39 -0500 > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Firefox 28 on Ubuntu 10.04 [Solved] > > Mike Miller wrote: > > I wonder why. Where does PATH get set? I don't see PATH in > > /etc/bash.bashrc or in /etc/profile, but it is coming from > > somewhere. Anyone know where? > > Default PATH's are generally set in your /etc/login.defs as ENV_PATH for > users and ENV_SUPATH for super-users. This will set the default paths > regardless of the shell you're using or how that shell was invoked. > > man -s5 login.defs > > Chad > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Jeff Chapin President, CedarLug, retired President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" President, UNI Scuba Club Senator, NISG, retired _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Mon Apr 21 23:04:55 2014 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 23:04:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. In-Reply-To: References: , , , ,,,,, , ,,,,, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , Message-ID: I logged into 'visitor' I am unable to chmod or do any permission changes there under the 'visitor' account. I can perform 'rm' on certain files though [visitor home]. I will look into it for what it's worth I am a 'slow study' as you may know by now. Thanks, paul Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:23:26 -0500 From: tclug at freakzilla.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. Yup, warned you that might happen. That file might be required for the DTE you're using, so just go ahead and give the user write permissions on that one file. If it doesn't exist, create it first using touch and then change permissions. Like I mentioned, though, removing write-access for the user "visitor" on files and directories owned by that user is inneffective. The user can always chmod the permissions back! On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > I removed write permissions from 'visitor' account <--via the 'sudo chmod > u-w visitor' > > Does not load 'No access'. to the 'visitor' account > > Error is reported as follows during opening the 'visitor' account via > splashscreen. > > 'Could not update ICEauthority file /home/visitor/.ICEauthority' > > > > Your suggestions are helpful. > > Thank you, Sorry to ask so many questions. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > From: pj.world at hotmail.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 20:01:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. > > Now what does the [.] mean in the lines you gave? Users Name? right? > > I'd use like 'chmod u-w visitor'. > > Can the visitor still write to the Shared folder then? <----i'll check it. > > Of course, the user could always use a terminal to chmod u+w on that > > directory, since they are still the owner. If you want a failsafe method, > > you need to go in as root and make root the owner of his directory and > > THEN remove the write permission while granting read! So something like > > this: > > chown -R root:root . > > find . -type f -exec chmod 444 {} \; > > find . -type d -exec chmod 555 {} \; > > > HOWEVER, note that with both methods, this will also prevent that user > > from modifying anything. So no cache, no temporary files (in their > > homedir), no new bookmarks, no saving any kind of config file, and > > probably some other stuff peograms want to write in the homedir. > > > > Of course, This might be exactly what you want. But it might have some > > unexpected side-effects. Best thing to do is login as your guest account, > > do the initial setup on any program you want to make sure will work, and > > then change the ownership/permissions. > > ---------------------------------------------------------->I better read > alot more! > > change the group ownership to visitor:root?<------I better read more! > > To much confusion for a noober Completely awesome! > > Thought: Guest accounts are relatively easy to setup so if it blows up no > big deal--rebuild.[ya right] > Thought: Reading is good trying to understand can be more difficult<----look > at paul.<-me > Thought: learn permission numbering. [like 555] [644] [777] > > Thank you, > > > > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 19:12:03 -0500 > > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. > > > > You can easily remove write permission from that user's directory. If you > > go into their homedir and > > > > chmod -R ugo-w . > > > > You'll need to have privs to do that to that homedir, so either sudo or > > whatever you're using. > > > > That'll remove write permissions while still allowing the user to read > > everything. > > > > Of course, the user could always use a terminal to chmod u+w on that > > directory, since they are still the owner. If you want a failsafe method, > > you need to go in as root and make root the owner of his directory and > > THEN remove the write permission while granting read! So something like > > this: > > > > chown -R root:root . > > find . -type f -exec chmod 444 {} \; > > find . -type d -exec chmod 555 {} \; > > > > (Yeah I did that the lazy way). > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > > > Thank you for your reply. > > > > > > 1. Is there a relatively simple way to prohibit 'visitor' from removing > > > files/folders from their home directory? Such as .mozilla? etc. Which of > > > course could end up ruining their account. [could a solution be removing > > > 'visitors' write permissions? Hopefully 'visitor' would still be able to > > > write a file to the Shared folder then correct? > > > > > > 2. A while back I read a page on the 'ask ubuntu' website concerning > > > 'prohibiting guest from emptying trash folder and deleting files' There > were > > > about 4 steps that semi worked as I recall. 'visitor' was unable to > empty > > > trash at the end. Though 'visitor' was still able to enter the file > manager > > > and delete files that way. I ended up reverting everything within > 'visitors' > > > account back to standard settings. > > > > > > So if I remove the 'write permissions' from 'visitor' leave group alone > so > > > 'visitors' permissions would look like this: dr-xrwx--- 29 visitor > visitor > > > 4.0K Apr 18 19:22 visitor > > > > > > Any ideas on this matter? > > > > > > Attached to this email is a screenshot of the systems installed users > > > permissions/groups on the computer as of now shown in the bash-terminal. > > > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 17:43:04 -0500 > > > > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > > > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] A visitor account setup. > > > > > > > > On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > > > > > > > If I can ask why when user 'paul' is selected it does not show that > > > 'paul is > > > > > a member of paul's group'? > > > > > is it because 'paul' is an administrator? > > > > > > > > "paul" is probably in many groups. There's really no need to create a > > > > group specifically for "paul" since "paul" is a regular user, not a > > > > special user. You're not going to create multiple users who have the > same > > > > special access as "paul" does. > > > > > > > > Groups are for combining roles, so you'll have "users", > "administrators", > > > > etc. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From samael.anon at gmail.com Fri Apr 25 20:18:15 2014 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 20:18:15 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Need 8 floppy drives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: i have some but they have windows 1.01 on them. never got around to messing with them yet, so i am unable to offer them; just sort of fun. On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Jason Wright wrote: > I do not know the density of the hard drives. I believe that most are high > density- they come from computers that also have cdrom drives- relatively > newer by comparison to when 3.5 in drives came out. They come from desktop > and laptop computers. I assume that all the drives work, but will not test > them. > > If a trade is not possible, i can also sell them for $5 each (including > shipping). If any are found not working or not high density, I will refund > the prorated price. > > I recycle and refurbish computers... if I can sell good parts for reuse, > I'll give a fair deal. > > Thanks, > Jason > On Apr 20, 2014 12:47 PM, "Doug Reed" wrote: > >> Hi Mr B-o-B! >> >> You didn't say what kind of drives you are looking for; 3.5" high >> density, 3.5" standard density, 5.25" high density, 5.25" standard >> density 80 track or 40 track, double sided or single sided, or 8" high >> density, low density, hard sector, soft sector, or Vydeck. >> >> I will say that if this is for a disk duplication project where you >> will be using 3.5" or 5.25" HD drives, you have the best chance of >> success. If you are doing anything that requires making both 5.25" HD >> disks and 5.25" 360K low density disks, you should plan to have two >> sets of 5.25" drives because the track read-write width was different >> between 360K low density 40 track and 1.2MB high density 80 track. >> >> Chances are good you will not be using 8" drives, but if you do, there >> used to be software that would let you read 8" drives on your PC if >> you made your own control cable. It has been too many years to >> remember now but I know there was something about the old PC floppy >> disk controllers that made me buy a special controller card to get >> full capability for reading odd disk formats. Linux might even be the >> ideal OS for this kind of work since you can probably do anything you >> want with the right drivers. >> >> The final recommendation would be that you consider your options for >> proving the drives are good. I know that I've had good drives and bad >> drives over the years. Good drives usually had a bit better read-write >> head and electronics that gave a bit more margin on read. Bad drives >> had less margin and tended to give more read errors with marginal >> floppy disks, particularly when you get into high density media. >> >> And if you have 8 random drives from different vendors and manufacture >> dates, you probably have 8 drives with different physical alignment of >> the heads and no two the same. This tends to show up as difficulty >> reading a test disk, particularly on the inner tracks where data bits >> are packed the tightest on the media. I used to test my PC drives by >> formatting disks on each of them, then doing a surface scan of the >> disks as I swapped them between the other drives. Then I'd try to make >> sense of which drives had read errors on which floppies. The "keeper" >> drives were the ones that had no errors reading each other's disks >> since I could reasonably assume they had similar alignment and good >> read margin. >> >> 30 years ago in the TRS-80 days, I had 3.5", 5.25", and 8" floppy >> drive alignment disks where I worked and I frequently aligned the >> floppy drives when they were returned to the shop. I haven't seen >> anyone selling alignment disks for along time now, and since 3.5" and >> 5.25" drives are common as sand, I don't know that I'd bother with it >> today. Easier just to get a couple more drives and test them as above. >> >> And if you are duplicating floppies, be sure to pay attention to >> getting quality media. The cheaper disks are usually cheaper for a >> reason. Anyone who fought with 5.25" HD media knows that very well. >> The worst media I ever saw was at a three letter government agency and >> came from the lowest bidder. When you held it to the light and looked >> at the shiny surface, it looked like it had freckles. Each freckle was >> a high spot on the media that had been scraped off when the head went >> by and coated the read head like frost on your windshield on a cold >> winter morning. The build-up on the head reduced read margin until the >> drive couldn't read anything! >> >> If you can't collect enough old drives from the TClug list, you might >> want to put a Want on Craig's List or simply pick up some of the >> Free-haul-it-away computers on the list. Worst case I can give you the >> email address for a guy who scraps old computers as his business, but >> he might be the worst place to look since most of his scrap comes from >> companies that got rid of 5.25" drives 15-20 years ago. >> >> >> If none of the above pans out, your last option might be the local >> hamfest (electronic swap meet, flea market) on June 7 in St Paul near >> 3M Center. You'd have a pretty good chance of collecting a dozen >> drives out there, although 5" drives are getting pretty old even for >> hams...... I gave half a dozen old computers and drives to the >> scrapper last fall. I might have a few more drives if I look and knew >> what you wanted. :-) >> >> Doug Reed. >> >> >> On 4/20/14, tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org >> wrote: >> > Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2014 00:58:53 -0500 >> > From: B-o-B De Mars >> > To: TCLUG >> > Subject: [tclug-list] Need 8 floppy drives >> > >> > I am in need of as many old floppy drives that I can get my hands on. >> > The magic # I am looking for is 8, but would be interested in more. >> > I will give cash, or trade. >> > If anyone still has a pile of these drives collecting dust let me know. >> > Thanks! >> > >> > Mr. B-o-B >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So literally just tick' the admin user name as it shows up in 'lp'? Well that is already ticked. I have enclosed 2 attachments of the screenshots taken from the admins Mate Desktop. I apologize for not knowing more I am a Noob. Thank you, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: lp.png Type: image/png Size: 21637 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Saned.png Type: image/png Size: 22600 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Mon Apr 28 22:15:29 2014 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 22:15:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: sudo usermod -G lp saned On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > Hello, > > I have a print server setup on a home network and the print server is > running linux-mint-maya 13 with mate desktop. > I have xsane setup and it scans properly over the network also > Re-reading the article in the link posted below I came across post #4 in the > article. > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1519201&highlight=setup+xsane > Post#4 > Stating 'Updated the guide as the sane daemon can be used without running as > root by simply adding the saned user to the lp group (which is naturally > better for security). ' > > How can I perform this step easily is it really very necessary? > I am just not understanding how to properly add 'the saned user' to the 'lp' > group? <-------is it meaning 'saned user' is the admin labeled on the print > server? So literally just tick' the admin user name as it shows up in 'lp'? > Well that is already ticked. > > I have enclosed 2 attachments of the screenshots taken from the admins Mate > Desktop. > I apologize for not knowing more I am a Noob. > Thank you, > > > > > > From pj.world at hotmail.com Mon Apr 28 23:01:39 2014 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:01:39 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: After the command is inputed into the bash terminal nothing changed as I can see with my eyes. What can I look for to make certain 'it worked' > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 22:15:29 -0500 > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > sudo usermod -G lp saned > > > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I have a print server setup on a home network and the print server is > > running linux-mint-maya 13 with mate desktop. > > I have xsane setup and it scans properly over the network also > > Re-reading the article in the link posted below I came across post #4 in the > > article. > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1519201&highlight=setup+xsane > > Post#4 > > Stating 'Updated the guide as the sane daemon can be used without running as > > root by simply adding the saned user to the lp group (which is naturally > > better for security). ' > > > > How can I perform this step easily is it really very necessary? > > I am just not understanding how to properly add 'the saned user' to the 'lp' > > group? <-------is it meaning 'saned user' is the admin labeled on the print > > server? So literally just tick' the admin user name as it shows up in 'lp'? > > Well that is already ticked. > > > > I have enclosed 2 attachments of the screenshots taken from the admins Mate > > Desktop. > > I apologize for not knowing more I am a Noob. > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Mon Apr 28 23:04:30 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:04:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <045B74D8-5D18-4233-BD4F-0012E0C9EB88@me.com> ?groups {username}? should report back the group memberships. On Apr 28, 2014, at 11:01 PM, paul g wrote: > After the command is inputed into the bash terminal nothing changed as I can see with my eyes. What can I look for to make certain 'it worked' > > > > > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 22:15:29 -0500 > > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > > > sudo usermod -G lp saned > > > > > > > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I have a print server setup on a home network and the print server is > > > running linux-mint-maya 13 with mate desktop. > > > I have xsane setup and it scans properly over the network also > > > Re-reading the article in the link posted below I came across post #4 in the > > > article. > > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1519201&highlight=setup+xsane > > > Post#4 > > > Stating 'Updated the guide as the sane daemon can be used without running as > > > root by simply adding the saned user to the lp group (which is naturally > > > better for security). ' > > > > > > How can I perform this step easily is it really very necessary? > > > I am just not understanding how to properly add 'the saned user' to the 'lp' > > > group? <-------is it meaning 'saned user' is the admin labeled on the print > > > server? So literally just tick' the admin user name as it shows up in 'lp'? > > > Well that is already ticked. > > > > > > I have enclosed 2 attachments of the screenshots taken from the admins Mate > > > Desktop. > > > I apologize for not knowing more I am a Noob. > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Mon Apr 28 23:05:26 2014 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:05:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: id -a saned (or sudo -a saned if that doesn't work). On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > After the command is inputed into the bash terminal nothing changed as I can > see with my eyes. What can I look for to make certain 'it worked' > > > > > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 22:15:29 -0500 > > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > > > sudo usermod -G lp saned > > > > > > > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I have a print server setup on a home network and the print server is > > > running linux-mint-maya 13 with mate desktop. > > > I have xsane setup and it scans properly over the network also > > > Re-reading the article in the link posted below I came across post #4 in > the > > > article. > > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1519201&highlight=setup+xsane > > > Post#4 > > > Stating 'Updated the guide as the sane daemon can be used without > running as > > > root by simply adding the saned user to the lp group (which is naturally > > > better for security). ' > > > > > > How can I perform this step easily is it really very necessary? > > > I am just not understanding how to properly add 'the saned user' to the > 'lp' > > > group? <-------is it meaning 'saned user' is the admin labeled on the > print > > > server? So literally just tick' the admin user name as it shows up in > 'lp'? > > > Well that is already ticked. > > > > > > I have enclosed 2 attachments of the screenshots taken from the admins > Mate > > > Desktop. > > > I apologize for not knowing more I am a Noob. > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From pj.world at hotmail.com Mon Apr 28 23:05:36 2014 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:05:36 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. In-Reply-To: References: , , , Message-ID: Can I preform from a group id check with lp now? No rush I am a loser. From: pj.world at hotmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:01:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. After the command is inputed into the bash terminal nothing changed as I can see with my eyes. What can I look for to make certain 'it worked' > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 22:15:29 -0500 > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > sudo usermod -G lp saned > > > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I have a print server setup on a home network and the print server is > > running linux-mint-maya 13 with mate desktop. > > I have xsane setup and it scans properly over the network also > > Re-reading the article in the link posted below I came across post #4 in the > > article. > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1519201&highlight=setup+xsane > > Post#4 > > Stating 'Updated the guide as the sane daemon can be used without running as > > root by simply adding the saned user to the lp group (which is naturally > > better for security). ' > > > > How can I perform this step easily is it really very necessary? > > I am just not understanding how to properly add 'the saned user' to the 'lp' > > group? <-------is it meaning 'saned user' is the admin labeled on the print > > server? So literally just tick' the admin user name as it shows up in 'lp'? > > Well that is already ticked. > > > > I have enclosed 2 attachments of the screenshots taken from the admins Mate > > Desktop. > > I apologize for not knowing more I am a Noob. > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Mon Apr 28 23:08:38 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:08:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9485C3AF-8F3B-430C-BAD9-1A0005887F98@me.com> Who are you replying to? And I thought we were done with this self-belittling posting. On Apr 28, 2014, at 11:05 PM, paul g wrote: > Can I preform from a group id check with lp now? No rush I am a loser. > > > From: pj.world at hotmail.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:01:39 -0500 > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > After the command is inputed into the bash terminal nothing changed as I can see with my eyes. What can I look for to make certain 'it worked' > > > > > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 22:15:29 -0500 > > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > > > sudo usermod -G lp saned > > > > > > > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I have a print server setup on a home network and the print server is > > > running linux-mint-maya 13 with mate desktop. > > > I have xsane setup and it scans properly over the network also > > > Re-reading the article in the link posted below I came across post #4 in the > > > article. > > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1519201&highlight=setup+xsane > > > Post#4 > > > Stating 'Updated the guide as the sane daemon can be used without running as > > > root by simply adding the saned user to the lp group (which is naturally > > > better for security). ' > > > > > > How can I perform this step easily is it really very necessary? > > > I am just not understanding how to properly add 'the saned user' to the 'lp' > > > group? <-------is it meaning 'saned user' is the admin labeled on the print > > > server? So literally just tick' the admin user name as it shows up in 'lp'? > > > Well that is already ticked. > > > > > > I have enclosed 2 attachments of the screenshots taken from the admins Mate > > > Desktop. > > > I apologize for not knowing more I am a Noob. > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Mon Apr 28 23:14:41 2014 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:14:41 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. In-Reply-To: <9485C3AF-8F3B-430C-BAD9-1A0005887F98@me.com> References: , , , , <9485C3AF-8F3B-430C-BAD9-1A0005887F98@me.com> Message-ID: Ryan thanks for stepping in here but I was trying to reply to 'freakzilla' Can you guys step in and help me like Freakzilla has? Thanks, paul <----garbage. From: ryanjcole at me.com Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:08:38 -0500 To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. Who are you replying to? And I thought we were done with this self-belittling posting. On Apr 28, 2014, at 11:05 PM, paul g wrote:Can I preform from a group id check with lp now? No rush I am a loser. From: pj.world at hotmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:01:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. After the command is inputed into the bash terminal nothing changed as I can see with my eyes. What can I look for to make certain 'it worked' > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 22:15:29 -0500 > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > sudo usermod -G lp saned > > > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I have a print server setup on a home network and the print server is > > running linux-mint-maya 13 with mate desktop. > > I have xsane setup and it scans properly over the network also > > Re-reading the article in the link posted below I came across post #4 in the > > article. > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1519201&highlight=setup+xsane > > Post#4 > > Stating 'Updated the guide as the sane daemon can be used without running as > > root by simply adding the saned user to the lp group (which is naturally > > better for security). ' > > > > How can I perform this step easily is it really very necessary? > > I am just not understanding how to properly add 'the saned user' to the 'lp' > > group? <-------is it meaning 'saned user' is the admin labeled on the print > > server? So literally just tick' the admin user name as it shows up in 'lp'? > > Well that is already ticked. > > > > I have enclosed 2 attachments of the screenshots taken from the admins Mate > > Desktop. > > I apologize for not knowing more I am a Noob. > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list_______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Mon Apr 28 23:24:26 2014 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:24:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. In-Reply-To: References: , , , , <9485C3AF-8F3B-430C-BAD9-1A0005887F98@me.com> Message-ID: "Freakzilla" gave you then answer to your second question, too. On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > Ryan thanks for stepping in here but I was trying to reply to 'freakzilla'? > Can you guys step in and help me like Freakzilla has? > > Thanks, > > paul <----garbage. > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > From: ryanjcole at me.com > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:08:38 -0500 > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > Who are you replying to? ?And I thought we were done with this > self-belittling posting. > > On Apr 28, 2014, at 11:05 PM, paul g wrote: > > Can I preform from a group id check with lp now? No rush I am a > loser. > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > From: pj.world at hotmail.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:01:39 -0500 > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > After the command is inputed into the bash terminal nothing > changed as I can see with my eyes. What can I look for to make > certain 'it worked'? > > > > > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 22:15:29 -0500 > > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > >? > > sudo usermod -G lp saned > >? > >? > >? > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > >? > > > Hello, > > >? > > > I have a print server setup on a home network and the print > server is > > > running linux-mint-maya 13 with mate desktop. > > > I have xsane setup and it scans properly over the network > also > > > Re-reading the article in the link posted below I came > across post #4 in the > > > article. > > > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1519201&highlight=setup+xsane > > > Post#4 > > > Stating 'Updated the guide as the sane daemon can be used > without running as > > > root by simply adding the saned user to the lp group (which > is naturally > > > better for security). ' > > >? > > > How can I perform this step easily is it really very > necessary? > > > I am just not understanding how to properly add 'the saned > user' to the 'lp' > > > group? <-------is it meaning 'saned user' is the admin > labeled on the print > > > server? So literally just tick' the admin user name as it > shows up in 'lp'? > > > Well that is already ticked. > > >? > > > I have enclosed 2 attachments of the screenshots taken from > the admins Mate > > > Desktop. > > > I apologize for not knowing more I am a Noob. > > > Thank you, > > >? > > >? > > >? > > >? > > >? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From pj.world at hotmail.com Mon Apr 28 23:46:02 2014 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:46:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , , , , <9485C3AF-8F3B-430C-BAD9-1A0005887F98@me.com>, , Message-ID: This is not a game with 'Puppet Ryan' this is linux this is an operating system. Picking on people here is not cool. Being Snarky is a joke game. I could care less about puppet and you could care less about Groups. let it be simple and let the people who ask honest questions about linux ask them. For one it's serious don't pick on someone they may have more on a cd than you. Why always pick on someone I do not get it. I like freakzilla and the ebinizer enterprises. paul g <----------------junk Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:24:26 -0500 From: tclug at freakzilla.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. "Freakzilla" gave you then answer to your second question, too. On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > Ryan thanks for stepping in here but I was trying to reply to 'freakzilla' > Can you guys step in and help me like Freakzilla has? > > Thanks, > > paul <----garbage. > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > From: ryanjcole at me.com > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:08:38 -0500 > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > Who are you replying to? And I thought we were done with this > self-belittling posting. > > On Apr 28, 2014, at 11:05 PM, paul g wrote: > > Can I preform from a group id check with lp now? No rush I am a > loser. > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > From: pj.world at hotmail.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:01:39 -0500 > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > After the command is inputed into the bash terminal nothing > changed as I can see with my eyes. What can I look for to make > certain 'it worked' > > > > > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 22:15:29 -0500 > > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > > > sudo usermod -G lp saned > > > > > > > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I have a print server setup on a home network and the print > server is > > > running linux-mint-maya 13 with mate desktop. > > > I have xsane setup and it scans properly over the network > also > > > Re-reading the article in the link posted below I came > across post #4 in the > > > article. > > > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1519201&highlight=setup+xsane > > > Post#4 > > > Stating 'Updated the guide as the sane daemon can be used > without running as > > > root by simply adding the saned user to the lp group (which > is naturally > > > better for security). ' > > > > > > How can I perform this step easily is it really very > necessary? > > > I am just not understanding how to properly add 'the saned > user' to the 'lp' > > > group? <-------is it meaning 'saned user' is the admin > labeled on the print > > > server? So literally just tick' the admin user name as it > shows up in 'lp'? > > > Well that is already ticked. > > > > > > I have enclosed 2 attachments of the screenshots taken from > the admins Mate > > > Desktop. > > > I apologize for not knowing more I am a Noob. > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com Mon Apr 28 23:59:17 2014 From: ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com (Ryan Dunlop) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:59:17 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. In-Reply-To: References: <9485C3AF-8F3B-430C-BAD9-1A0005887F98@me.com> Message-ID: Seriously I'm done reading Paul g's bullshit in here. Paul, Ryan said NOTHING to be taken offense here in this thread. Who the hell do you think you are to write such nonsense out of the blue towards someone simply and solely helping you. Get a grip dude. What did Ryan write that you think you should respond the way you did? You answer that and I'll give it second consideration. I'm holding back about everything I have to not tell you what I really think of you so please do us all a favor and shut your damn mouth. On Apr 28, 2014 11:46 PM, "paul g" wrote: > This is not a game with 'Puppet Ryan' this is linux this is an operating > system. Picking on people here is not cool. Being Snarky is a joke game. I > could care less about puppet and you could care less about Groups. let it > be simple and let the people who ask honest questions about linux ask them. > For one it's serious don't pick on someone they may have more on a cd than > you. Why always pick on someone I do not get it. I like freakzilla and the > ebinizer enterprises. > > paul g <----------------junk > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:24:26 -0500 > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > "Freakzilla" gave you then answer to your second question, too. > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > Ryan thanks for stepping in here but I was trying to reply to 'freakzilla' > > > Can you guys step in and help me like Freakzilla has? > > > > Thanks, > > > > paul <----garbage. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > From: ryanjcole at me.com > > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:08:38 -0500 > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > > > > Who are you replying to? And I thought we were done with this > > self-belittling posting. > > > > On Apr 28, 2014, at 11:05 PM, paul g wrote: > > > > > Can I preform from a group id check with lp now? No rush I am a > > loser. > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > From: pj.world at hotmail.com > > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:01:39 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > > > > After the command is inputed into the bash terminal nothing > > changed as I can see with my eyes. What can I look for to make > > certain 'it worked' > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 22:15:29 -0500 > > > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > > > > > sudo usermod -G lp saned > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I have a print server setup on a home network and the print > > server is > > > > > running linux-mint-maya 13 with mate desktop. > > > > I have xsane setup and it scans properly over the network > > also > > > > Re-reading the article in the link posted below I came > > > across post #4 in the > > > > article. > > > > > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1519201&highlight=setup+xsane > > > > > Post#4 > > > > Stating 'Updated the guide as the sane daemon can be used > > without running as > > > > root by simply adding the saned user to the lp group (which > > > is naturally > > > > better for security). ' > > > > > > > > How can I perform this step easily is it really very > > necessary? > > > > I am just not understanding how to properly add 'the saned > > > user' to the 'lp' > > > > group? <-------is it meaning 'saned user' is the admin > > labeled on the print > > > > server? So literally just tick' the admin user name as it > > > shows up in 'lp'? > > > > Well that is already ticked. > > > > > > > > I have enclosed 2 attachments of the screenshots taken from > > the admins Mate > > > > > Desktop. > > > > I apologize for not knowing more I am a Noob. > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Tue Apr 29 00:03:46 2014 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 00:03:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. In-Reply-To: References: , , , , <9485C3AF-8F3B-430C-BAD9-1A0005887F98@me.com>, , , , Message-ID: Ryan never gives help to a noob. Ryan only gives links. I really want you to tell me how junky I am since I stood up and never brag. paul <----junk Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:59:17 -0500 From: ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. Seriously I'm done reading Paul g's bullshit in here. Paul, Ryan said NOTHING to be taken offense here in this thread. Who the hell do you think you are to write such nonsense out of the blue towards someone simply and solely helping you. Get a grip dude. What did Ryan write that you think you should respond the way you did? You answer that and I'll give it second consideration. I'm holding back about everything I have to not tell you what I really think of you so please do us all a favor and shut your damn mouth. On Apr 28, 2014 11:46 PM, "paul g" wrote: This is not a game with 'Puppet Ryan' this is linux this is an operating system. Picking on people here is not cool. Being Snarky is a joke game. I could care less about puppet and you could care less about Groups. let it be simple and let the people who ask honest questions about linux ask them. For one it's serious don't pick on someone they may have more on a cd than you. Why always pick on someone I do not get it. I like freakzilla and the ebinizer enterprises. paul g <----------------junk Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:24:26 -0500 From: tclug at freakzilla.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. "Freakzilla" gave you then answer to your second question, too. On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > Ryan thanks for stepping in here but I was trying to reply to 'freakzilla' > Can you guys step in and help me like Freakzilla has? > > Thanks, > > paul <----garbage. > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > From: ryanjcole at me.com > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:08:38 -0500 > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > Who are you replying to? And I thought we were done with this > self-belittling posting. > > On Apr 28, 2014, at 11:05 PM, paul g wrote: > > Can I preform from a group id check with lp now? No rush I am a > loser. > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > From: pj.world at hotmail.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:01:39 -0500 > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > After the command is inputed into the bash terminal nothing > changed as I can see with my eyes. What can I look for to make > certain 'it worked' > > > > > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 22:15:29 -0500 > > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > > > sudo usermod -G lp saned > > > > > > > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I have a print server setup on a home network and the print > server is > > > running linux-mint-maya 13 with mate desktop. > > > I have xsane setup and it scans properly over the network > also > > > Re-reading the article in the link posted below I came > across post #4 in the > > > article. > > > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1519201&highlight=setup+xsane > > > Post#4 > > > Stating 'Updated the guide as the sane daemon can be used > without running as > > > root by simply adding the saned user to the lp group (which > is naturally > > > better for security). ' > > > > > > How can I perform this step easily is it really very > necessary? > > > I am just not understanding how to properly add 'the saned > user' to the 'lp' > > > group? <-------is it meaning 'saned user' is the admin > labeled on the print > > > server? So literally just tick' the admin user name as it > shows up in 'lp'? > > > Well that is already ticked. > > > > > > I have enclosed 2 attachments of the screenshots taken from > the admins Mate > > > Desktop. > > > I apologize for not knowing more I am a Noob. > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Tue Apr 29 00:05:55 2014 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 00:05:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. In-Reply-To: References: , , , , <9485C3AF-8F3B-430C-BAD9-1A0005887F98@me.com>, , , , Message-ID: Paul, Look, no offense, you might be hilarious in real life, but you're not very articulate in writing. Your humor and snark just do not show through. I think we'd all appreciate it very much if you just stay on-topic on the list. On Tue, 29 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > Ryan never gives help to a noob. > > Ryan only gives links. > > I really want you to tell me how junky I am since I stood up and never brag. > > paul <----junk > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:59:17 -0500 > From: ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > Seriously I'm done reading Paul g's bullshit in here. > Paul, Ryan said NOTHING to be taken offense here in this thread. Who the > hell do you think you are to write such nonsense out of the blue towards > someone simply and solely helping you. Get a grip dude. What did Ryan write > that you think you should respond the way you did?? You answer that and I'll > give it second consideration. I'm holding back about everything I have to > not tell you what I really think of you so please do us all a favor and shut > your damn mouth. > > > On Apr 28, 2014 11:46 PM, "paul g" wrote: > This is not a game with 'Puppet Ryan' this is linux this is an > operating system. Picking on people here is not cool. Being > Snarky is a joke game. I could care less about puppet and you > could care less about Groups. let it be simple and let the > people who ask honest questions about linux ask them. For one > it's serious don't pick on someone they may have more on a cd > than you. Why always pick on someone I do not get it. I like > freakzilla and the ebinizer enterprises. > > paul g <----------------junk > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:24:26 -0500 > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > "Freakzilla" gave you then answer to your second question, too. > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > Ryan thanks for stepping in here but I was trying to reply to 'freakzilla' > ? > > > > Can you guys step in and help me like Freakzilla has? > > > > Thanks, > > > > paul <----garbage. > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > > > From: ryanjcole at me.com > > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:08:38 -0500 > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > > > > > Who are you replying to? ?And I thought we were done with this > > self-belittling posting. > > > > On Apr 28, 2014, at 11:05 PM, paul g wrote: > > > > > > Can I preform from a group id check with lp now? No rush I am a > > loser. > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > > From: pj.world at hotmail.com > > > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:01:39 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > > > > > After the command is inputed into the bash terminal nothing > > changed as I can see with my eyes. What can I look for to make > > certain 'it worked'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 22:15:29 -0500 > > > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > >? > > > sudo usermod -G lp saned > > >? > > >? > > >? > > > > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > >? > > > > Hello, > > > >? > > > > I have a print server setup on a home network and the print > > server is > > > > > > running linux-mint-maya 13 with mate desktop. > > > > I have xsane setup and it scans properly over the network > > also > > > > Re-reading the article in the link posted below I came > > > > across post #4 in the > > > > article. > > > > > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1519201&highlight=setup+xsa > ne > > > > > > Post#4 > > > > Stating 'Updated the guide as the sane daemon can be used > > without running as > > > > root by simply adding the saned user to the lp group (which > > > > is naturally > > > > better for security). ' > > > >? > > > > How can I perform this step easily is it really very > > necessary? > > > > I am just not understanding how to properly add 'the saned > > > > user' to the 'lp' > > > > group? <-------is it meaning 'saned user' is the admin > > labeled on the print > > > > server? So literally just tick' the admin user name as it > > > > shows up in 'lp'? > > > > Well that is already ticked. > > > >? > > > > I have enclosed 2 attachments of the screenshots taken from > > the admins Mate > > > > > > Desktop. > > > > I apologize for not knowing more I am a Noob. > > > > Thank you, > > > >? > > > >? > > > >? > > > >? > > > > > >? > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > > > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing > List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From pj.world at hotmail.com Tue Apr 29 00:09:27 2014 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 00:09:27 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. In-Reply-To: References: , , , , <9485C3AF-8F3B-430C-BAD9-1A0005887F98@me.com>, , , , , Message-ID: Ryan steps in on Debian when he plays with BSD I really think it's a waste of time. Boot me then. I ask honest questions to people that are smart. Not puppet masters claiming to step in on Debian operating systems. I hope clarity and knowledge will someday show a simple fact. without a person not helping. paul g <-------is garbage From: pj.world at hotmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 00:03:46 -0500 Ryan never gives help to a noob. Ryan only gives links. I really want you to tell me how junky I am since I stood up and never brag. paul <----junk Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:59:17 -0500 From: ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. Seriously I'm done reading Paul g's bullshit in here. Paul, Ryan said NOTHING to be taken offense here in this thread. Who the hell do you think you are to write such nonsense out of the blue towards someone simply and solely helping you. Get a grip dude. What did Ryan write that you think you should respond the way you did? You answer that and I'll give it second consideration. I'm holding back about everything I have to not tell you what I really think of you so please do us all a favor and shut your damn mouth. On Apr 28, 2014 11:46 PM, "paul g" wrote: This is not a game with 'Puppet Ryan' this is linux this is an operating system. Picking on people here is not cool. Being Snarky is a joke game. I could care less about puppet and you could care less about Groups. let it be simple and let the people who ask honest questions about linux ask them. For one it's serious don't pick on someone they may have more on a cd than you. Why always pick on someone I do not get it. I like freakzilla and the ebinizer enterprises. paul g <----------------junk Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:24:26 -0500 From: tclug at freakzilla.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. "Freakzilla" gave you then answer to your second question, too. On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > Ryan thanks for stepping in here but I was trying to reply to 'freakzilla' > Can you guys step in and help me like Freakzilla has? > > Thanks, > > paul <----garbage. > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > From: ryanjcole at me.com > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:08:38 -0500 > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > Who are you replying to? And I thought we were done with this > self-belittling posting. > > On Apr 28, 2014, at 11:05 PM, paul g wrote: > > Can I preform from a group id check with lp now? No rush I am a > loser. > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > From: pj.world at hotmail.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:01:39 -0500 > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > After the command is inputed into the bash terminal nothing > changed as I can see with my eyes. What can I look for to make > certain 'it worked' > > > > > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 22:15:29 -0500 > > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > > > sudo usermod -G lp saned > > > > > > > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I have a print server setup on a home network and the print > server is > > > running linux-mint-maya 13 with mate desktop. > > > I have xsane setup and it scans properly over the network > also > > > Re-reading the article in the link posted below I came > across post #4 in the > > > article. > > > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1519201&highlight=setup+xsane > > > Post#4 > > > Stating 'Updated the guide as the sane daemon can be used > without running as > > > root by simply adding the saned user to the lp group (which > is naturally > > > better for security). ' > > > > > > How can I perform this step easily is it really very > necessary? > > > I am just not understanding how to properly add 'the saned > user' to the 'lp' > > > group? <-------is it meaning 'saned user' is the admin > labeled on the print > > > server? So literally just tick' the admin user name as it > shows up in 'lp'? > > > Well that is already ticked. > > > > > > I have enclosed 2 attachments of the screenshots taken from > the admins Mate > > > Desktop. > > > I apologize for not knowing more I am a Noob. > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 00:18:51 2014 From: ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com (Ryan Dunlop) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 00:18:51 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. In-Reply-To: References: <9485C3AF-8F3B-430C-BAD9-1A0005887F98@me.com> Message-ID: If you think someone can't know more than one operating system and know it well, then you are miserably mistaken. I run BSDs along with Linux along with AIX along with Windows and Mac along with anything I want to learn. You know how I learn these things?! LINKS from people that know more than I do. Books and wikis and blogs. Anything I can find. Then I take my time and study. Learn by mistakes, learn by doing. You can only have you hand held so long. Go break a system and rebuild it. If you don't want it to be your main system for day to day use then do it in virtual box or VMware player. Just do. If you don't you won't learn you will simply copy and paste. Nobody became an expert on day one or even year one. Just keep doing and it will fall into place! On Apr 29, 2014 12:10 AM, "paul g" wrote: > Ryan steps in on Debian when he plays with BSD I really think it's a waste > of time. > > Boot me then. I ask honest questions to people that are smart. > > Not puppet masters claiming to step in on Debian operating systems. > > I hope clarity and knowledge will someday show a simple fact. > > without a person not helping. > > paul g <-------is garbage > > ------------------------------ > From: pj.world at hotmail.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: RE: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 00:03:46 -0500 > > Ryan never gives help to a noob. > > Ryan only gives links. > > I really want you to tell me how junky I am since I stood up and never > brag. > > paul <----junk > > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:59:17 -0500 > From: ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > Seriously I'm done reading Paul g's bullshit in here. > Paul, Ryan said NOTHING to be taken offense here in this thread. Who the > hell do you think you are to write such nonsense out of the blue towards > someone simply and solely helping you. Get a grip dude. What did Ryan write > that you think you should respond the way you did? You answer that and > I'll give it second consideration. I'm holding back about everything I have > to not tell you what I really think of you so please do us all a favor and > shut your damn mouth. > > > On Apr 28, 2014 11:46 PM, "paul g" wrote: > > This is not a game with 'Puppet Ryan' this is linux this is an operating > system. Picking on people here is not cool. Being Snarky is a joke game. I > could care less about puppet and you could care less about Groups. let it > be simple and let the people who ask honest questions about linux ask them. > For one it's serious don't pick on someone they may have more on a cd than > you. Why always pick on someone I do not get it. I like freakzilla and the > ebinizer enterprises. > > paul g <----------------junk > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:24:26 -0500 > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > "Freakzilla" gave you then answer to your second question, too. > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > Ryan thanks for stepping in here but I was trying to reply to 'freakzilla' > > > > Can you guys step in and help me like Freakzilla has? > > > > Thanks, > > > > paul <----garbage. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > > From: ryanjcole at me.com > > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:08:38 -0500 > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > > > > > Who are you replying to? And I thought we were done with this > > self-belittling posting. > > > > On Apr 28, 2014, at 11:05 PM, paul g wrote: > > > > > > Can I preform from a group id check with lp now? No rush I am a > > loser. > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > From: pj.world at hotmail.com > > > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:01:39 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > > > > > After the command is inputed into the bash terminal nothing > > changed as I can see with my eyes. What can I look for to make > > certain 'it worked' > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 22:15:29 -0500 > > > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > > > > > sudo usermod -G lp saned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I have a print server setup on a home network and the print > > server is > > > > > > running linux-mint-maya 13 with mate desktop. > > > > I have xsane setup and it scans properly over the network > > also > > > > Re-reading the article in the link posted below I came > > > > across post #4 in the > > > > article. > > > > > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1519201&highlight=setup+xsane > > > > > > Post#4 > > > > Stating 'Updated the guide as the sane daemon can be used > > without running as > > > > root by simply adding the saned user to the lp group (which > > > > is naturally > > > > better for security). ' > > > > > > > > How can I perform this step easily is it really very > > necessary? > > > > I am just not understanding how to properly add 'the saned > > > > user' to the 'lp' > > > > group? <-------is it meaning 'saned user' is the admin > > labeled on the print > > > > server? So literally just tick' the admin user name as it > > > > shows up in 'lp'? > > > > Well that is already ticked. > > > > > > > > I have enclosed 2 attachments of the screenshots taken from > > the admins Mate > > > > > > Desktop. > > > > I apologize for not knowing more I am a Noob. > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > > > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Tue Apr 29 00:40:23 2014 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 00:40:23 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. In-Reply-To: References: , , , , <9485C3AF-8F3B-430C-BAD9-1A0005887F98@me.com>, , , , , , , Message-ID: Good idea good march. <--------is that proper english? Ryan steps in when things are hard for me to mock me. Freakzilla steps in and makes it right. Go study I will to study you all brag and never help with simple things. Blame me for asking questions and picking on me I tell you I no longer care. The user list of tclug' is no more than hurt a simple question requires pain. waste of time except for a few who care. That is how it always has been. Some care some do not care. You mock noobs because you feel good and I despise it. It is not right runing linux is running linux and never get help. never do you give a real anwser or even care. BTW freakzilla did care. I am tired of this gang of commands that no human can make sense of unless they care. I knew I would never learn about linux. paul g <-------junk him Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 00:18:51 -0500 From: ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. If you think someone can't know more than one operating system and know it well, then you are miserably mistaken. I run BSDs along with Linux along with AIX along with Windows and Mac along with anything I want to learn. You know how I learn these things?! LINKS from people that know more than I do. Books and wikis and blogs. Anything I can find. Then I take my time and study. Learn by mistakes, learn by doing. You can only have you hand held so long. Go break a system and rebuild it. If you don't want it to be your main system for day to day use then do it in virtual box or VMware player. Just do. If you don't you won't learn you will simply copy and paste. Nobody became an expert on day one or even year one. Just keep doing and it will fall into place! On Apr 29, 2014 12:10 AM, "paul g" wrote: Ryan steps in on Debian when he plays with BSD I really think it's a waste of time. Boot me then. I ask honest questions to people that are smart. Not puppet masters claiming to step in on Debian operating systems. I hope clarity and knowledge will someday show a simple fact. without a person not helping. paul g <-------is garbage From: pj.world at hotmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: RE: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 00:03:46 -0500 Ryan never gives help to a noob. Ryan only gives links. I really want you to tell me how junky I am since I stood up and never brag. paul <----junk Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:59:17 -0500 From: ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. Seriously I'm done reading Paul g's bullshit in here. Paul, Ryan said NOTHING to be taken offense here in this thread. Who the hell do you think you are to write such nonsense out of the blue towards someone simply and solely helping you. Get a grip dude. What did Ryan write that you think you should respond the way you did? You answer that and I'll give it second consideration. I'm holding back about everything I have to not tell you what I really think of you so please do us all a favor and shut your damn mouth. On Apr 28, 2014 11:46 PM, "paul g" wrote: This is not a game with 'Puppet Ryan' this is linux this is an operating system. Picking on people here is not cool. Being Snarky is a joke game. I could care less about puppet and you could care less about Groups. let it be simple and let the people who ask honest questions about linux ask them. For one it's serious don't pick on someone they may have more on a cd than you. Why always pick on someone I do not get it. I like freakzilla and the ebinizer enterprises. paul g <----------------junk Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:24:26 -0500 From: tclug at freakzilla.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. "Freakzilla" gave you then answer to your second question, too. On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > Ryan thanks for stepping in here but I was trying to reply to 'freakzilla' > Can you guys step in and help me like Freakzilla has? > > Thanks, > > paul <----garbage. > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > From: ryanjcole at me.com > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:08:38 -0500 > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > Who are you replying to? And I thought we were done with this > self-belittling posting. > > On Apr 28, 2014, at 11:05 PM, paul g wrote: > > Can I preform from a group id check with lp now? No rush I am a > loser. > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > From: pj.world at hotmail.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:01:39 -0500 > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > After the command is inputed into the bash terminal nothing > changed as I can see with my eyes. What can I look for to make > certain 'it worked' > > > > > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 22:15:29 -0500 > > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > > > sudo usermod -G lp saned > > > > > > > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I have a print server setup on a home network and the print > server is > > > running linux-mint-maya 13 with mate desktop. > > > I have xsane setup and it scans properly over the network > also > > > Re-reading the article in the link posted below I came > across post #4 in the > > > article. > > > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1519201&highlight=setup+xsane > > > Post#4 > > > Stating 'Updated the guide as the sane daemon can be used > without running as > > > root by simply adding the saned user to the lp group (which > is naturally > > > better for security). ' > > > > > > How can I perform this step easily is it really very > necessary? > > > I am just not understanding how to properly add 'the saned > user' to the 'lp' > > > group? <-------is it meaning 'saned user' is the admin > labeled on the print > > > server? So literally just tick' the admin user name as it > shows up in 'lp'? > > > Well that is already ticked. > > > > > > I have enclosed 2 attachments of the screenshots taken from > the admins Mate > > > Desktop. > > > I apologize for not knowing more I am a Noob. > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cncole at earthlink.net Tue Apr 29 01:45:20 2014 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 01:45:20 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , , , , <9485C3AF-8F3B-430C-BAD9-1A0005887F98@me.com>, , Message-ID: <7981854AE6DC46A6B731B12F8597772C@d830a> You are creating the problems of attitude, being snarky, etc. Others have merely tried to be nice and help you. _____ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of paul g Sent: Monday, April 28, 2014 11:46 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. This is not a game with 'Puppet Ryan' this is linux this is an operating system. Picking on people here is not cool. Being Snarky is a joke game. I could care less about puppet and you could care less about Groups. let it be simple and let the people who ask honest questions about linux ask them. For one it's serious don't pick on someone they may have more on a cd than you. Why always pick on someone I do not get it. I like freakzilla and the ebinizer enterprises. paul g <----------------junk Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:24:26 -0500 From: tclug at freakzilla.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. "Freakzilla" gave you then answer to your second question, too. On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > Ryan thanks for stepping in here but I was trying to reply to 'freakzilla' > Can you guys step in and help me like Freakzilla has? > > Thanks, > > paul <----garbage. > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > From: ryanjcole at me.com > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:08:38 -0500 > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > Who are you replying to? And I thought we were done with this > self-belittling posting. > > On Apr 28, 2014, at 11:05 PM, paul g wrote: > > Can I preform from a group id check with lp now? No rush I am a > loser. > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > From: pj.world at hotmail.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:01:39 -0500 > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > After the command is inputed into the bash terminal nothing > changed as I can see with my eyes. What can I look for to make > certain 'it worked' > > > > > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 22:15:29 -0500 > > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > > > sudo usermod -G lp saned > > > > > > > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I have a print server setup on a home network and the print > server is > > > running linux-mint-maya 13 with mate desktop. > > > I have xsane setup and it scans properly over the network > also > > > Re-reading the article in the link posted below I came > across post #4 in the > > > article. > > > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1519201 &highlight=setup+xsane > > > Post#4 > > > Stating 'Updated the guide as the sane daemon can be used > without running as > > > root by simply adding the saned user to the lp group (which > is naturally > > > better for security). ' > > > > > > How can I perform this step easily is it really very > necessary? > > > I am just not understanding how to properly add 'the saned > user' to the 'lp' > > > group? <-------is it meaning 'saned user' is the admin > labeled on the print > > > server? So literally just tick' the admin user name as it > shows up in 'lp'? > > > Well that is already ticked. > > > > > > I have enclosed 2 attachments of the screenshots taken from > the admins Mate > > > Desktop. > > > I apologize for not knowing more I am a Noob. > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuporglue at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 00:10:22 2014 From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 00:10:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. In-Reply-To: References: <9485C3AF-8F3B-430C-BAD9-1A0005887F98@me.com> Message-ID: I don't need this sort of drama and rudeness in my life, from either of you. I understand that people here are against any sort of moderation, but since not everyone seems to be able to self-moderate it just kind of ruins the group. Thanks to everyone who has helped me and entertained me. I'm out. -- Michael Moore On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:59 PM, Ryan Dunlop wrote: > Seriously I'm done reading Paul g's bullshit in here. > > Paul, Ryan said NOTHING to be taken offense here in this thread. Who the > hell do you think you are to write such nonsense out of the blue towards > someone simply and solely helping you. Get a grip dude. What did Ryan write > that you think you should respond the way you did? You answer that and > I'll give it second consideration. I'm holding back about everything I have > to not tell you what I really think of you so please do us all a favor and > shut your damn mouth. > > On Apr 28, 2014 11:46 PM, "paul g" wrote: > >> This is not a game with 'Puppet Ryan' this is linux this is an operating >> system. Picking on people here is not cool. Being Snarky is a joke game. I >> could care less about puppet and you could care less about Groups. let it >> be simple and let the people who ask honest questions about linux ask them. >> For one it's serious don't pick on someone they may have more on a cd than >> you. Why always pick on someone I do not get it. I like freakzilla and the >> ebinizer enterprises. >> >> paul g <----------------junk >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 02:13:58 2014 From: ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com (Ryan Dunlop) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 02:13:58 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. In-Reply-To: References: <9485C3AF-8F3B-430C-BAD9-1A0005887F98@me.com> Message-ID: I'm sorry to you and anyone else I've offended but I was watching a thread where questions were asked and answers were given. Without attitude or snark or anything of the sort. Straight forward and good clear answers! Out of the blue the OP starts railing on one of the two people pointing him to an answer and I had to call it. If only because it's far from the first time this has happened, from this sole individual, no one else on the list. I agree about not needing the drama etc. and is most likely why I lashed out. I'm fed up with it. We are all here to learn and exchange ideas. I'll be blunt here, Paul has not been a part of that equation. On Apr 29, 2014 1:54 AM, "Michael Moore" wrote: > I don't need this sort of drama and rudeness in my life, from either of > you. > > I understand that people here are against any sort of moderation, but > since not everyone seems to be able to self-moderate it just kind of ruins > the group. > > Thanks to everyone who has helped me and entertained me. > > I'm out. > -- > Michael Moore > > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:59 PM, Ryan Dunlop wrote: > >> Seriously I'm done reading Paul g's bullshit in here. >> >> Paul, Ryan said NOTHING to be taken offense here in this thread. Who the >> hell do you think you are to write such nonsense out of the blue towards >> someone simply and solely helping you. Get a grip dude. What did Ryan write >> that you think you should respond the way you did? You answer that and >> I'll give it second consideration. I'm holding back about everything I have >> to not tell you what I really think of you so please do us all a favor and >> shut your damn mouth. >> >> On Apr 28, 2014 11:46 PM, "paul g" wrote: >> >>> This is not a game with 'Puppet Ryan' this is linux this is an operating >>> system. Picking on people here is not cool. Being Snarky is a joke game. I >>> could care less about puppet and you could care less about Groups. let it >>> be simple and let the people who ask honest questions about linux ask them. >>> For one it's serious don't pick on someone they may have more on a cd than >>> you. Why always pick on someone I do not get it. I like freakzilla and the >>> ebinizer enterprises. >>> >>> paul g <----------------junk >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Tue Apr 29 02:58:08 2014 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 02:58:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. In-Reply-To: References: , , , , <9485C3AF-8F3B-430C-BAD9-1A0005887F98@me.com>, , , , , , Message-ID: It is simple. People ridicule others for not reading garbage. Some help others mock. I found the input of 'Michael Moore' very helpful but they turned it into a bsd list for cameras and pictures 'the only list I have' "quote unquote" . Freakzilla me and you got upset. It is simple. Linux operating system is free. I can do whatever I want with Linux as long as I respect the GNU. Point be known. Personally I could care less about what I save and remember Putty is a waste of my time. paul g <--------idiot----junk----loser. Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 02:13:58 -0500 From: ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. I'm sorry to you and anyone else I've offended but I was watching a thread where questions were asked and answers were given. Without attitude or snark or anything of the sort. Straight forward and good clear answers! Out of the blue the OP starts railing on one of the two people pointing him to an answer and I had to call it. If only because it's far from the first time this has happened, from this sole individual, no one else on the list. I agree about not needing the drama etc. and is most likely why I lashed out. I'm fed up with it. We are all here to learn and exchange ideas. I'll be blunt here, Paul has not been a part of that equation. On Apr 29, 2014 1:54 AM, "Michael Moore" wrote: I don't need this sort of drama and rudeness in my life, from either of you. I understand that people here are against any sort of moderation, but since not everyone seems to be able to self-moderate it just kind of ruins the group. Thanks to everyone who has helped me and entertained me. I'm out. -- Michael Moore On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 11:59 PM, Ryan Dunlop wrote: Seriously I'm done reading Paul g's bullshit in here. Paul, Ryan said NOTHING to be taken offense here in this thread. Who the hell do you think you are to write such nonsense out of the blue towards someone simply and solely helping you. Get a grip dude. What did Ryan write that you think you should respond the way you did? You answer that and I'll give it second consideration. I'm holding back about everything I have to not tell you what I really think of you so please do us all a favor and shut your damn mouth. On Apr 28, 2014 11:46 PM, "paul g" wrote: This is not a game with 'Puppet Ryan' this is linux this is an operating system. Picking on people here is not cool. Being Snarky is a joke game. I could care less about puppet and you could care less about Groups. let it be simple and let the people who ask honest questions about linux ask them. For one it's serious don't pick on someone they may have more on a cd than you. Why always pick on someone I do not get it. I like freakzilla and the ebinizer enterprises. paul g <----------------junk _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chapinjeff at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 07:07:17 2014 From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 07:07:17 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. In-Reply-To: References: <9485C3AF-8F3B-430C-BAD9-1A0005887F98@me.com> Message-ID: Ryan Coleman has bent over backwards to help you on several occasions. He is an appreciated, respected member of this group. Please show him enough respect to stop attacking him when he takes time to help you. Jeff On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:03 AM, paul g wrote: > Ryan never gives help to a noob. > > Ryan only gives links. > > I really want you to tell me how junky I am since I stood up and never > brag. > > paul <----junk > > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:59:17 -0500 > From: ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > Seriously I'm done reading Paul g's bullshit in here. > Paul, Ryan said NOTHING to be taken offense here in this thread. Who the > hell do you think you are to write such nonsense out of the blue towards > someone simply and solely helping you. Get a grip dude. What did Ryan write > that you think you should respond the way you did? You answer that and > I'll give it second consideration. I'm holding back about everything I have > to not tell you what I really think of you so please do us all a favor and > shut your damn mouth. > > > On Apr 28, 2014 11:46 PM, "paul g" wrote: > > This is not a game with 'Puppet Ryan' this is linux this is an operating > system. Picking on people here is not cool. Being Snarky is a joke game. I > could care less about puppet and you could care less about Groups. let it > be simple and let the people who ask honest questions about linux ask them. > For one it's serious don't pick on someone they may have more on a cd than > you. Why always pick on someone I do not get it. I like freakzilla and the > ebinizer enterprises. > > paul g <----------------junk > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:24:26 -0500 > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > "Freakzilla" gave you then answer to your second question, too. > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > Ryan thanks for stepping in here but I was trying to reply to 'freakzilla' > > > > Can you guys step in and help me like Freakzilla has? > > > > Thanks, > > > > paul <----garbage. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > > From: ryanjcole at me.com > > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:08:38 -0500 > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > > > > > Who are you replying to? And I thought we were done with this > > self-belittling posting. > > > > On Apr 28, 2014, at 11:05 PM, paul g wrote: > > > > > > Can I preform from a group id check with lp now? No rush I am a > > loser. > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > From: pj.world at hotmail.com > > > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:01:39 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > > > > > After the command is inputed into the bash terminal nothing > > changed as I can see with my eyes. What can I look for to make > > certain 'it worked' > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 22:15:29 -0500 > > > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > > > > > sudo usermod -G lp saned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I have a print server setup on a home network and the print > > server is > > > > > > running linux-mint-maya 13 with mate desktop. > > > > I have xsane setup and it scans properly over the network > > also > > > > Re-reading the article in the link posted below I came > > > > across post #4 in the > > > > article. > > > > > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1519201&highlight=setup+xsane > > > > > > Post#4 > > > > Stating 'Updated the guide as the sane daemon can be used > > without running as > > > > root by simply adding the saned user to the lp group (which > > > > is naturally > > > > better for security). ' > > > > > > > > How can I perform this step easily is it really very > > necessary? > > > > I am just not understanding how to properly add 'the saned > > > > user' to the 'lp' > > > > group? <-------is it meaning 'saned user' is the admin > > labeled on the print > > > > server? So literally just tick' the admin user name as it > > > > shows up in 'lp'? > > > > Well that is already ticked. > > > > > > > > I have enclosed 2 attachments of the screenshots taken from > > the admins Mate > > > > > > Desktop. > > > > I apologize for not knowing more I am a Noob. > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > > > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Jeff Chapin President, CedarLug, retired President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" President, UNI Scuba Club Senator, NISG, retired -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Tue Apr 29 07:13:00 2014 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 07:13:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. In-Reply-To: References: <9485C3AF-8F3B-430C-BAD9-1A0005887F98@me.com> Message-ID: I think Paul /is/ trying to be "respectful", but we're not getting his... uh. I think he's trying to be funny, but he's just not very articulate. It's interesting, in a way. I wonder if he talks like that in real life or if he's just lacks Strong Written Communication Skills (can you tell I've been working on my resume?) Either way he's disruptive to the group, because he seems to also lack reading comprehension. On Tue, 29 Apr 2014, Jeff Chapin wrote: > Ryan Coleman has bent over backwards to help you on several occasions. He is > an appreciated, respected member of this group. Please show him enough > respect to stop attacking him when he takes time to help you. > > Jeff > > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:03 AM, paul g wrote: > Ryan never gives help to a noob. > > Ryan only gives links. > > I really want you to tell me how junky I am since I stood up and > never brag. > > paul <----junk > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:59:17 -0500 > From: ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > Seriously I'm done reading Paul g's bullshit in here. > Paul, Ryan said NOTHING to be taken offense here in this thread. > Who the hell do you think you are to write such nonsense out of > the blue towards someone simply and solely helping you. Get a > grip dude. What did Ryan write that you think you should respond > the way you did?? You answer that and I'll give it second > consideration. I'm holding back about everything I have to not > tell you what I really think of you so please do us all a favor > and shut your damn mouth. > > > On Apr 28, 2014 11:46 PM, "paul g" wrote: > This is not a game with 'Puppet Ryan' this is linux > this is an operating system. Picking on people here > is not cool. Being Snarky is a joke game. I could > care less about puppet and you could care less about > Groups. let it be simple and let the people who ask > honest questions about linux ask them. For one it's > serious don't pick on someone they may have more on > a cd than you. Why always pick on someone I do not > get it. I like freakzilla and the ebinizer > enterprises. > > paul g <----------------junk > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:24:26 -0500 > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to > 'lp' group. > > "Freakzilla" gave you then answer to your second question, too. > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > > Ryan thanks for stepping in here but I was trying to reply to 'freakzilla' > ? > > > > > Can you guys step in and help me like Freakzilla has? > > > > Thanks, > > > > paul <----garbage. > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > > > > From: ryanjcole at me.com > > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:08:38 -0500 > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > > > > > > Who are you replying to? ?And I thought we were done with this > > self-belittling posting. > > > > On Apr 28, 2014, at 11:05 PM, paul g wrote: > > > > > > > Can I preform from a group id check with lp now? No rush I am a > > loser. > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > > From: pj.world at hotmail.com > > > > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:01:39 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > > > > > > After the command is inputed into the bash terminal nothing > > changed as I can see with my eyes. What can I look for to make > > certain 'it worked'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 22:15:29 -0500 > > > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > >? > > > sudo usermod -G lp saned > > >? > > >? > > >? > > > > > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > > >? > > > > Hello, > > > >? > > > > I have a print server setup on a home network and the print > > server is > > > > > > > running linux-mint-maya 13 with mate desktop. > > > > I have xsane setup and it scans properly over the network > > also > > > > Re-reading the article in the link posted below I came > > > > > across post #4 in the > > > > article. > > > > > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1519201&highlight=setup+xsa > ne > > > > > > > Post#4 > > > > Stating 'Updated the guide as the sane daemon can be used > > without running as > > > > root by simply adding the saned user to the lp group (which > > > > > is naturally > > > > better for security). ' > > > >? > > > > How can I perform this step easily is it really very > > necessary? > > > > I am just not understanding how to properly add 'the saned > > > > > user' to the 'lp' > > > > group? <-------is it meaning 'saned user' is the admin > > labeled on the print > > > > server? So literally just tick' the admin user name as it > > > > > shows up in 'lp'? > > > > Well that is already ticked. > > > >? > > > > I have enclosed 2 attachments of the screenshots taken from > > the admins Mate > > > > > > > Desktop. > > > > I apologize for not knowing more I am a Noob. > > > > Thank you, > > > >? > > > >? > > > >? > > > >? > > > > > > >? > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > > > > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > -- > Jeff Chapin > President, CedarLug, retired > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" > President, UNI Scuba Club > Senator, NISG, retired > > From david.wagle at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 08:02:21 2014 From: david.wagle at gmail.com (David Wagle) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 08:02:21 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. In-Reply-To: References: , , , , <9485C3AF-8F3B-430C-BAD9-1A0005887F98@me.com>, , , , Message-ID: <535FA2DD.7070507@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Paul, I've seen Ryan give you help repeatedly. I've seen do nothing but respond to him with venom and spite and almost always without the slightest justification. Giving you a link to help you solve your problem IS helping you. We aren't here to hold your hand and tell you what a special snowflake you are, we're here to help you (and others who have similar problems) solve those problems. A link that gives detailed information is a great resource to be in the mailing list archives precisely because if someone has a similar problem and searches the archives they can find that link and it will guide them. But beyond that -- Paul, you need to simply cease taking ANYTHING that happens on this thread personally and you need to stop with the self-pitying bullshit. It's old and tired and serves no purpose other than to make people not want to help you. I am personally about 2 more posts like that from you of simply setting up a filter to block you and any post that quotes you from appearing in my mailbox. On 04/29/2014 12:03 AM, paul g wrote: > Ryan never gives help to a noob. > > Ryan only gives links. > > I really want you to tell me how junky I am since I stood up and > never brag. > > paul <----junk > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:59:17 -0500 > From: ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: > Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > Seriously I'm done reading Paul g's bullshit in here. Paul, Ryan > said NOTHING to be taken offense here in this thread. Who the hell > do you think you are to write such nonsense out of the blue > towards someone simply and solely helping you. Get a grip dude. > What did Ryan write that you think you should respond the way you > did? You answer that and I'll give it second consideration. I'm > holding back about everything I have to not tell you what I really > think of you so please do us all a favor and shut your damn mouth. > > > On Apr 28, 2014 11:46 PM, "paul g" > wrote: > > This is not a game with 'Puppet Ryan' this is linux this is an > operating system. Picking on people here is not cool. Being Snarky > is a joke game. I could care less about puppet and you could care > less about Groups. let it be simple and let the people who ask > honest questions about linux ask them. For one it's serious don't > pick on someone they may have more on a cd than you. Why always > pick on someone I do not get it. I like freakzilla and the > ebinizer enterprises. > > paul g <----------------junk > > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:24:26 -0500 From: tclug at freakzilla.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the > 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > "Freakzilla" gave you then answer to your second question, too. > > On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: > >> Ryan thanks for stepping in here but I was trying to reply to >> 'freakzilla' > > >> Can you guys step in and help me like Freakzilla has? >> >> Thanks, >> >> paul <----garbage. >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________ > >> From: ryanjcole at me.com > >> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:08:38 -0500 To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add >> the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > >> >> Who are you replying to? And I thought we were done with this >> self-belittling posting. >> >> On Apr 28, 2014, at 11:05 PM, paul g > > wrote: > > >> >> Can I preform from a group id check with lp now? No rush I am a >> loser. >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________ > >> > From: pj.world at hotmail.com > > >> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:01:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [tclug-list] >> Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. > > >> >> After the command is inputed into the bash terminal nothing >> changed as I can see with my eyes. What can I look for to make >> certain 'it worked' >> >> > >> > >> >>> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 22:15:29 -0500 From: >>> tclug at freakzilla.com To: >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > >>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. >>> >>> sudo usermod -G lp saned >>> >>> >>> > > >>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I have a print server setup on a home network and the print >> server is > > >>>> running linux-mint-maya 13 with mate desktop. I have xsane >>>> setup and it scans properly over the network >> also >>>> Re-reading the article in the link posted below I came > > >> across post #4 in the >>>> article. >>>> >> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1519201&highlight=setup+xsane > >> > >>>> Post#4 Stating 'Updated the guide as the sane daemon can be >>>> used >> without running as >>>> root by simply adding the saned user to the lp group (which > > >> is naturally >>>> better for security). ' >>>> >>>> How can I perform this step easily is it really very >> necessary? >>>> I am just not understanding how to properly add 'the saned > > >> user' to the 'lp' >>>> group? <-------is it meaning 'saned user' is the admin >> labeled on the print >>>> server? So literally just tick' the admin user name as it > > >> shows up in 'lp'? >>>> Well that is already ticked. >>>> >>>> I have enclosed 2 attachments of the screenshots taken from >> the admins Mate > > >>>> Desktop. I apologize for not knowing more I am a Noob. Thank >>>> you, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > > >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing >>> List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> > > >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing >> List - > > >> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing >> List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing >> List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List > - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List > - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List > - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List > - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTX6LXAAoJELWzpBXk2k3wsLgIAKaIOZzAp4Sknq5NhDgHTg1f xbWXgv5SU2aeeOrcj8A+ewYeO4K48oxouTszYLzs+zrJ8Gys0emYVPyaF339w74s x6r3pZrWOAAxTdvmpkWeZpzrWLVLNjQsVCN5c5eSBPgPB9Ly+pDpQ+MSEZHmW8YS dB3SrBze+r5XA9CS2xJURWrTa6aRqIGzT+bAMpXmmrBTh5h4hwpQyB8EP0DdJTWA y9z/t9hZvkbfmw0ZS084i0Ida7vJSxtIiRgg9ffBxO2eo3RDoRPTZmzqJsIp9B8g McmRjd0WeSWcAwhLrVzT0VIfm6bs50hFo2xip9GPaSBjLpbMU2MTvKPl1zu0a/A= =/tYl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ryanjcole at me.com Tue Apr 29 08:12:09 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 08:12:09 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. In-Reply-To: <535FA2DD.7070507@gmail.com> References: <9485C3AF-8F3B-430C-BAD9-1A0005887F98@me.com> <535FA2DD.7070507@gmail.com> Message-ID: I've already done it. That last unwarranted and exceptionally unqualified attack was the last straw. > On Apr 29, 2014, at 8:02, David Wagle wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Paul, I've seen Ryan give you help repeatedly. > > I've seen do nothing but respond to him with venom and spite and > almost always without the slightest justification. > > Giving you a link to help you solve your problem IS helping you. We > aren't here to hold your hand and tell you what a special snowflake > you are, we're here to help you (and others who have similar problems) > solve those problems. > > A link that gives detailed information is a great resource to be in > the mailing list archives precisely because if someone has a similar > problem and searches the archives they can find that link and it will > guide them. > > But beyond that -- Paul, you need to simply cease taking ANYTHING that > happens on this thread personally and you need to stop with the > self-pitying bullshit. It's old and tired and serves no purpose other > than to make people not want to help you. > > I am personally about 2 more posts like that from you of simply > setting up a filter to block you and any post that quotes you from > appearing in my mailbox. > >> On 04/29/2014 12:03 AM, paul g wrote: >> Ryan never gives help to a noob. >> >> Ryan only gives links. >> >> I really want you to tell me how junky I am since I stood up and >> never brag. >> >> paul <----junk >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:59:17 -0500 >> From: ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: >> Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. >> >> Seriously I'm done reading Paul g's bullshit in here. Paul, Ryan >> said NOTHING to be taken offense here in this thread. Who the hell >> do you think you are to write such nonsense out of the blue >> towards someone simply and solely helping you. Get a grip dude. >> What did Ryan write that you think you should respond the way you >> did? You answer that and I'll give it second consideration. I'm >> holding back about everything I have to not tell you what I really >> think of you so please do us all a favor and shut your damn mouth. >> >> >> On Apr 28, 2014 11:46 PM, "paul g" > > wrote: >> >> This is not a game with 'Puppet Ryan' this is linux this is an >> operating system. Picking on people here is not cool. Being Snarky >> is a joke game. I could care less about puppet and you could care >> less about Groups. let it be simple and let the people who ask >> honest questions about linux ask them. For one it's serious don't >> pick on someone they may have more on a cd than you. Why always >> pick on someone I do not get it. I like freakzilla and the >> ebinizer enterprises. >> >> paul g <----------------junk >> >> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:24:26 -0500 From: tclug at freakzilla.com >> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the >> 'saned' user to 'lp' group. >> >> "Freakzilla" gave you then answer to your second question, too. >> >>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: >>> >>> Ryan thanks for stepping in here but I was trying to reply to >>> 'freakzilla' >> >> >>> Can you guys step in and help me like Freakzilla has? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> paul <----garbage. >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________________________ >> >>> From: ryanjcole at me.com >> >>> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:08:38 -0500 To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add >>> the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. >> >> >>> >>> Who are you replying to? And I thought we were done with this >>> self-belittling posting. >>> >>> On Apr 28, 2014, at 11:05 PM, paul g >> > wrote: >> >> >>> >>> Can I preform from a group id check with lp now? No rush I am a >>> loser. >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________________________________________________ >> >> From: pj.world at hotmail.com >> >> >>> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 23:01:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [tclug-list] >>> Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. >> >> >>> >>> After the command is inputed into the bash terminal nothing >>> changed as I can see with my eyes. What can I look for to make >>> certain 'it worked' >> >> >>> >>>> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 22:15:29 -0500 From: >>>> tclug at freakzilla.com To: >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. >>>> >>>> sudo usermod -G lp saned >> >> >>>>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2014, paul g wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> I have a print server setup on a home network and the print >>> server is >> >> >>>>> running linux-mint-maya 13 with mate desktop. I have xsane >>>>> setup and it scans properly over the network >>> also >>>>> Re-reading the article in the link posted below I came >> >> >>> across post #4 in the >>>>> article. >>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1519201&highlight=setup+xsane >> >> >>>>> Post#4 Stating 'Updated the guide as the sane daemon can be >>>>> used >>> without running as >>>>> root by simply adding the saned user to the lp group (which >> >> >>> is naturally >>>>> better for security). ' >>>>> >>>>> How can I perform this step easily is it really very >>> necessary? >>>>> I am just not understanding how to properly add 'the saned >> >> >>> user' to the 'lp' >>>>> group? <-------is it meaning 'saned user' is the admin >>> labeled on the print >>>>> server? So literally just tick' the admin user name as it >> >> >>> shows up in 'lp'? >>>>> Well that is already ticked. >>>>> >>>>> I have enclosed 2 attachments of the screenshots taken from >>> the admins Mate >> >> >>>>> Desktop. I apologize for not knowing more I am a Noob. Thank >>>>> you, >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing >>>> List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> >> >> >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing >>> List - >> >> >>> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing >>> List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing >>> List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> >> >> >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List >> - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List >> - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List >> - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List >> - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTX6LXAAoJELWzpBXk2k3wsLgIAKaIOZzAp4Sknq5NhDgHTg1f > xbWXgv5SU2aeeOrcj8A+ewYeO4K48oxouTszYLzs+zrJ8Gys0emYVPyaF339w74s > x6r3pZrWOAAxTdvmpkWeZpzrWLVLNjQsVCN5c5eSBPgPB9Ly+pDpQ+MSEZHmW8YS > dB3SrBze+r5XA9CS2xJURWrTa6aRqIGzT+bAMpXmmrBTh5h4hwpQyB8EP0DdJTWA > y9z/t9hZvkbfmw0ZS084i0Ida7vJSxtIiRgg9ffBxO2eo3RDoRPTZmzqJsIp9B8g > McmRjd0WeSWcAwhLrVzT0VIfm6bs50hFo2xip9GPaSBjLpbMU2MTvKPl1zu0a/A= > =/tYl > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erikerik at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 08:44:48 2014 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 08:44:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Add the 'saned' user to 'lp' group. In-Reply-To: References: <9485C3AF-8F3B-430C-BAD9-1A0005887F98@me.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 12:10 AM, Michael Moore wrote: > I don't need this sort of drama and rudeness in my life, from either of you. > > ... > > I'm out. Agreed. After the last moderation debacle, I hope that people would get a clue, but clearly that has not happened. -Erik From david.wagle at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 09:08:05 2014 From: david.wagle at gmail.com (David Wagle) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 09:08:05 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Mint LMDE Cinnamon dual monitor issue Message-ID: <535FB245.7090502@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 So I decided to install Mint Cinnamon LMDE for yucks. It works great and I could see even sticking with this over XMonad on Arch, I'm kind of done with tweaking for tweaking's sake :) But I have an issue that I can't quite figure out. On my left monitor I have a bright pink line on the left most side of the monitor. What's really weird is that if I do a screen capture, it doesn't show up, so I can't give a picture of it. It does appear to be outside the display area because when I move my mouse over there, the mouse stops before going over the pink line. Any ideas? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTX7JFAAoJELWzpBXk2k3whp4IAJf6Xx+JlwkkvpoE0rZMmzEN giUcU1v19WjNUFAuG28gCGTNYwM19rKZ/y9Fveovkixa1JB+5zjwM7CAW4z970a5 ITomwiN/sMsJNR5VWm2jqmx/IKDipNh7fxKeLCqGiHPSPRCUafHWjaVJTWJAak3c 26N407G8JICVKpur9Rr5le9jfIQiR3TJ7x82jb0P8y3pt2J7qy25FzYLZQS2edWy sTmFj3UDJyAWcEagoRxfZVRmHAd4DTJKcWMl9SN91fOR1ARFQizYtb/fVckyDMgC FYg9PnIry+5Dka+3LI4cJVzsDVrokHyF28LP37f6Wj0xvaoFQpTXFx7V3KCib2s= =rwEJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chapinjeff at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 09:10:15 2014 From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 09:10:15 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Mint LMDE Cinnamon dual monitor issue In-Reply-To: <535FB245.7090502@gmail.com> References: <535FB245.7090502@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry to be 'that guy', but are all cables seated properly? I have see similar strangeness with a lose cable before. Jeff On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:08 AM, David Wagle wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > So I decided to install Mint Cinnamon LMDE for yucks. > > It works great and I could see even sticking with this over XMonad on > Arch, I'm kind of done with tweaking for tweaking's sake :) > > But I have an issue that I can't quite figure out. > > On my left monitor I have a bright pink line on the left most side of > the monitor. > > What's really weird is that if I do a screen capture, it doesn't show > up, so I can't give a picture of it. It does appear to be outside the > display area because when I move my mouse over there, the mouse stops > before going over the pink line. > > Any ideas? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTX7JFAAoJELWzpBXk2k3whp4IAJf6Xx+JlwkkvpoE0rZMmzEN > giUcU1v19WjNUFAuG28gCGTNYwM19rKZ/y9Fveovkixa1JB+5zjwM7CAW4z970a5 > ITomwiN/sMsJNR5VWm2jqmx/IKDipNh7fxKeLCqGiHPSPRCUafHWjaVJTWJAak3c > 26N407G8JICVKpur9Rr5le9jfIQiR3TJ7x82jb0P8y3pt2J7qy25FzYLZQS2edWy > sTmFj3UDJyAWcEagoRxfZVRmHAd4DTJKcWMl9SN91fOR1ARFQizYtb/fVckyDMgC > FYg9PnIry+5Dka+3LI4cJVzsDVrokHyF28LP37f6Wj0xvaoFQpTXFx7V3KCib2s= > =rwEJ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Jeff Chapin President, CedarLug, retired President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" President, UNI Scuba Club Senator, NISG, retired -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmore at starmind.org Tue Apr 29 09:11:21 2014 From: jmore at starmind.org (Josh More) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 09:11:21 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Mint LMDE Cinnamon dual monitor issue In-Reply-To: <535FB245.7090502@gmail.com> References: <535FB245.7090502@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sounds like an offset issue. See this bug: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75800 Others have reported it as being related to digital signals (hdmi, dvi) and how they're interpreted by the kernel. -Josh On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:08 AM, David Wagle wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > So I decided to install Mint Cinnamon LMDE for yucks. > > It works great and I could see even sticking with this over XMonad on > Arch, I'm kind of done with tweaking for tweaking's sake :) > > But I have an issue that I can't quite figure out. > > On my left monitor I have a bright pink line on the left most side of > the monitor. > > What's really weird is that if I do a screen capture, it doesn't show > up, so I can't give a picture of it. It does appear to be outside the > display area because when I move my mouse over there, the mouse stops > before going over the pink line. > > Any ideas? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTX7JFAAoJELWzpBXk2k3whp4IAJf6Xx+JlwkkvpoE0rZMmzEN > giUcU1v19WjNUFAuG28gCGTNYwM19rKZ/y9Fveovkixa1JB+5zjwM7CAW4z970a5 > ITomwiN/sMsJNR5VWm2jqmx/IKDipNh7fxKeLCqGiHPSPRCUafHWjaVJTWJAak3c > 26N407G8JICVKpur9Rr5le9jfIQiR3TJ7x82jb0P8y3pt2J7qy25FzYLZQS2edWy > sTmFj3UDJyAWcEagoRxfZVRmHAd4DTJKcWMl9SN91fOR1ARFQizYtb/fVckyDMgC > FYg9PnIry+5Dka+3LI4cJVzsDVrokHyF28LP37f6Wj0xvaoFQpTXFx7V3KCib2s= > =rwEJ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jake.vath at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 09:12:33 2014 From: jake.vath at gmail.com (Jake Vath) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 09:12:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Mint LMDE Cinnamon dual monitor issue In-Reply-To: <535FB245.7090502@gmail.com> References: <535FB245.7090502@gmail.com> Message-ID: What kind of graphics is you computer running? AMD, NVidia, or Intel? -> Jake On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:08 AM, David Wagle wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > So I decided to install Mint Cinnamon LMDE for yucks. > > It works great and I could see even sticking with this over XMonad on > Arch, I'm kind of done with tweaking for tweaking's sake :) > > But I have an issue that I can't quite figure out. > > On my left monitor I have a bright pink line on the left most side of > the monitor. > > What's really weird is that if I do a screen capture, it doesn't show > up, so I can't give a picture of it. It does appear to be outside the > display area because when I move my mouse over there, the mouse stops > before going over the pink line. > > Any ideas? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTX7JFAAoJELWzpBXk2k3whp4IAJf6Xx+JlwkkvpoE0rZMmzEN > giUcU1v19WjNUFAuG28gCGTNYwM19rKZ/y9Fveovkixa1JB+5zjwM7CAW4z970a5 > ITomwiN/sMsJNR5VWm2jqmx/IKDipNh7fxKeLCqGiHPSPRCUafHWjaVJTWJAak3c > 26N407G8JICVKpur9Rr5le9jfIQiR3TJ7x82jb0P8y3pt2J7qy25FzYLZQS2edWy > sTmFj3UDJyAWcEagoRxfZVRmHAd4DTJKcWMl9SN91fOR1ARFQizYtb/fVckyDMgC > FYg9PnIry+5Dka+3LI4cJVzsDVrokHyF28LP37f6Wj0xvaoFQpTXFx7V3KCib2s= > =rwEJ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.wagle at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 09:12:47 2014 From: david.wagle at gmail.com (David Wagle) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 09:12:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Mint LMDE Cinnamon dual monitor issue In-Reply-To: References: <535FB245.7090502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <535FB35F.1090004@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Nope - great question. All the cables are very securely connected and they are good cables. This doesn't happen under Arch with either XMonad or Gnome 3.12 On 04/29/2014 09:10 AM, Jeff Chapin wrote: > Sorry to be 'that guy', but are all cables seated properly? I have > see similar strangeness with a lose cable before. Jeff > > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:08 AM, David Wagle > > wrote: > > So I decided to install Mint Cinnamon LMDE for yucks. > > It works great and I could see even sticking with this over XMonad > on Arch, I'm kind of done with tweaking for tweaking's sake :) > > But I have an issue that I can't quite figure out. > > On my left monitor I have a bright pink line on the left most side > of the monitor. > > What's really weird is that if I do a screen capture, it doesn't > show up, so I can't give a picture of it. It does appear to be > outside the display area because when I move my mouse over there, > the mouse stops before going over the pink line. > > Any ideas? _______________________________________________ TCLUG > Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > -- Jeff Chapin President, CedarLug, retired President, UNIPC, "I'll > get around to it" President, UNI Scuba Club Senator, NISG, retired > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List > - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTX7NfAAoJELWzpBXk2k3wPlMH/iRoijG1yVY3BGO8x5b9FWgw Lc4VSwnp6N7IA+qdt6LaN7FSSHWMmb4MTGt+6+/ni/VcEDiSYB6WanvsebHOYVEC U7G3/te8xwcImxBv9y0aE+k9AcZNe5Qv800SNa9N3lb7exGO8Wo2qpBkS+0EVdp+ ldpV3FGTU8KAGZNOGMZm6zRGcmfduL6kMZWXxyLYHW3nbz2cXB/a666b8muouihX g+karvqmMwgTnOjdNERO6EUX781ZD9RZM+1y781KD5mjpT8Bh8YIKtTy4oasn+H/ LDyd3KN/rXcCsmztqiT61epJ6weZ3qEpvYviwiBQwQHXR48asY4Xzd/oDO1jTG8= =uYdn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From david.wagle at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 09:20:08 2014 From: david.wagle at gmail.com (David Wagle) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 09:20:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Mint LMDE Cinnamon dual monitor issue In-Reply-To: References: <535FB245.7090502@gmail.com> Message-ID: <535FB518.9090306@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Nvidia 7600 4G On 04/29/2014 09:12 AM, Jake Vath wrote: > What kind of graphics is you computer running? AMD, NVidia, or > Intel? > > -> Jake > > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:08 AM, David Wagle > > wrote: > > So I decided to install Mint Cinnamon LMDE for yucks. > > It works great and I could see even sticking with this over XMonad > on Arch, I'm kind of done with tweaking for tweaking's sake :) > > But I have an issue that I can't quite figure out. > > On my left monitor I have a bright pink line on the left most side > of the monitor. > > What's really weird is that if I do a screen capture, it doesn't > show up, so I can't give a picture of it. It does appear to be > outside the display area because when I move my mouse over there, > the mouse stops before going over the pink line. > > Any ideas? _______________________________________________ TCLUG > Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List > - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTX7UYAAoJELWzpBXk2k3wbcYH/2sq0Rwb3EOaC1/Ee3b8tRAo bt4wWS9Ptp/wedaZKRokM2gRNSBX/L+SBo/BhuUR4oqRuoFw8EL5lsV3zcJ907va SjtAeszpkXFVHOg0o0XdUp2FKp1KCnlPOZNj7S/EPJG+1NyfNbs0IF++aEEiZJP+ bqDRI7zKaHIA9zLQ5MwnIEmn7pEn3YtVXX6gvpzNHzFTzfENK/fijf01gZeVaYno 04Kr/PE7YIxF2dwcAHXq9ugD8ATf0+aKMRnzK/bOsWNsL+1FFKEXQXAsNeBGGhHV TQHL9sSQF0H8g5fuNePzV7uKtqxB0HycvUYtUEXfcGyWubEKijDY/bFjQTJ2NdI= =HXpX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jmore at starmind.org Tue Apr 29 09:45:22 2014 From: jmore at starmind.org (Josh More) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 09:45:22 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Mint LMDE Cinnamon dual monitor issue In-Reply-To: <535FB518.9090306@gmail.com> References: <535FB245.7090502@gmail.com> <535FB518.9090306@gmail.com> Message-ID: Are you using the provided drivers or the binary drivers from Nvidia? On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:20 AM, David Wagle wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Nvidia 7600 4G > > On 04/29/2014 09:12 AM, Jake Vath wrote: > > What kind of graphics is you computer running? AMD, NVidia, or > > Intel? > > > > -> Jake > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:08 AM, David Wagle > > > wrote: > > > > So I decided to install Mint Cinnamon LMDE for yucks. > > > > It works great and I could see even sticking with this over XMonad > > on Arch, I'm kind of done with tweaking for tweaking's sake :) > > > > But I have an issue that I can't quite figure out. > > > > On my left monitor I have a bright pink line on the left most side > > of the monitor. > > > > What's really weird is that if I do a screen capture, it doesn't > > show up, so I can't give a picture of it. It does appear to be > > outside the display area because when I move my mouse over there, > > the mouse stops before going over the pink line. > > > > Any ideas? _______________________________________________ TCLUG > > Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List > > - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTX7UYAAoJELWzpBXk2k3wbcYH/2sq0Rwb3EOaC1/Ee3b8tRAo > bt4wWS9Ptp/wedaZKRokM2gRNSBX/L+SBo/BhuUR4oqRuoFw8EL5lsV3zcJ907va > SjtAeszpkXFVHOg0o0XdUp2FKp1KCnlPOZNj7S/EPJG+1NyfNbs0IF++aEEiZJP+ > bqDRI7zKaHIA9zLQ5MwnIEmn7pEn3YtVXX6gvpzNHzFTzfENK/fijf01gZeVaYno > 04Kr/PE7YIxF2dwcAHXq9ugD8ATf0+aKMRnzK/bOsWNsL+1FFKEXQXAsNeBGGhHV > TQHL9sSQF0H8g5fuNePzV7uKtqxB0HycvUYtUEXfcGyWubEKijDY/bFjQTJ2NdI= > =HXpX > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jake.vath at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 09:52:09 2014 From: jake.vath at gmail.com (Jake Vath) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 09:52:09 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Mint LMDE Cinnamon dual monitor issue In-Reply-To: <535FB518.9090306@gmail.com> References: <535FB245.7090502@gmail.com> <535FB518.9090306@gmail.com> Message-ID: Josh More linked to a bugthat sounds like it might be relevant. I had roughly the same issue this past weekend. I installed a fresh copy of Debian testing a T61 ThinkPad, which has an NVidia Quadro 140M. I had the line issue during the installer, but after I compiled the latest 3.14.2 kenel and installed the proprietary NVidia driver it went away. I don't know if this helps you at all, but it's what worked for me. I don't really want to user the proprietary NVidia driver, but I've had some issue with the Nouveau drivers in the past. I have not used them in a while, but I know they've improved. -> Jake On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:20 AM, David Wagle wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Nvidia 7600 4G > > On 04/29/2014 09:12 AM, Jake Vath wrote: > > What kind of graphics is you computer running? AMD, NVidia, or > > Intel? > > > > -> Jake > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:08 AM, David Wagle > > > wrote: > > > > So I decided to install Mint Cinnamon LMDE for yucks. > > > > It works great and I could see even sticking with this over XMonad > > on Arch, I'm kind of done with tweaking for tweaking's sake :) > > > > But I have an issue that I can't quite figure out. > > > > On my left monitor I have a bright pink line on the left most side > > of the monitor. > > > > What's really weird is that if I do a screen capture, it doesn't > > show up, so I can't give a picture of it. It does appear to be > > outside the display area because when I move my mouse over there, > > the mouse stops before going over the pink line. > > > > Any ideas? _______________________________________________ TCLUG > > Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List > > - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTX7UYAAoJELWzpBXk2k3wbcYH/2sq0Rwb3EOaC1/Ee3b8tRAo > bt4wWS9Ptp/wedaZKRokM2gRNSBX/L+SBo/BhuUR4oqRuoFw8EL5lsV3zcJ907va > SjtAeszpkXFVHOg0o0XdUp2FKp1KCnlPOZNj7S/EPJG+1NyfNbs0IF++aEEiZJP+ > bqDRI7zKaHIA9zLQ5MwnIEmn7pEn3YtVXX6gvpzNHzFTzfENK/fijf01gZeVaYno > 04Kr/PE7YIxF2dwcAHXq9ugD8ATf0+aKMRnzK/bOsWNsL+1FFKEXQXAsNeBGGhHV > TQHL9sSQF0H8g5fuNePzV7uKtqxB0HycvUYtUEXfcGyWubEKijDY/bFjQTJ2NdI= > =HXpX > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.wagle at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 09:58:00 2014 From: david.wagle at gmail.com (David Wagle) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 09:58:00 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Mint LMDE Cinnamon dual monitor issue In-Reply-To: References: <535FB245.7090502@gmail.com> <535FB518.9090306@gmail.com> Message-ID: <535FBDF8.7010205@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I was using the provided drivers. Switching to the proprietary drivers solved the problem. On 04/29/2014 09:45 AM, Josh More wrote: > Are you using the provided drivers or the binary drivers from > Nvidia? > > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:20 AM, David Wagle > > wrote: > > Nvidia 7600 4G > > On 04/29/2014 09:12 AM, Jake Vath wrote: >> What kind of graphics is you computer running? AMD, NVidia, or >> Intel? > >> -> Jake > > >> On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:08 AM, David Wagle >> > >> > wrote: > >> So I decided to install Mint Cinnamon LMDE for yucks. > >> It works great and I could see even sticking with this over >> XMonad on Arch, I'm kind of done with tweaking for tweaking's >> sake :) > >> But I have an issue that I can't quite figure out. > >> On my left monitor I have a bright pink line on the left most >> side of the monitor. > >> What's really weird is that if I do a screen capture, it doesn't >> show up, so I can't give a picture of it. It does appear to be >> outside the display area because when I move my mouse over >> there, the mouse stops before going over the pink line. > >> Any ideas? _______________________________________________ TCLUG >> Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing >> List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List > - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List > - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTX730AAoJELWzpBXk2k3wzS8IAIoObXMyyZl88PtShNPP+CIx UDxi1dfrf3IqE1pEiwICUCiBjWTfCVHnYnhIQeYnRB4ecwpf1toBtXf3JeWdi+Vi C8scJ4eY4Rp6Ri8UTfNUi0bIxhjyzLZiOePoJwHvW0nw0A5L2RCm61bWumMb/pmx ZSkeS/HgFsQ11F+IzBStCBtY+w1pSP0Z6JATt3mgprjlmd+ZTaXVeBSa8x86tytd cGt8hN7C1hJcSTqoF5LAo8lijejglJq6FLHu9j+79zaYm/a67w6vODTmEaKGsQyv w8Sr1y81Dd2RWcZxiYWOJtsP3FyyXEi5NDJfvRMG/vhHlsF/yhkDuelIOkBBlFQ= =5ZN7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jake.vath at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 10:02:13 2014 From: jake.vath at gmail.com (Jake Vath) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 10:02:13 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Mint LMDE Cinnamon dual monitor issue In-Reply-To: <535FBDF8.7010205@gmail.com> References: <535FB245.7090502@gmail.com> <535FB518.9090306@gmail.com> <535FBDF8.7010205@gmail.com> Message-ID: Glad to hear that you solved it! That sounds like it'd be an interesting bug to track down and fix. I didn't look at the bug report too closely, so I'm not sure when it was introduced. -> Jake On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:58 AM, David Wagle wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I was using the provided drivers. Switching to the proprietary drivers > solved the problem. > > On 04/29/2014 09:45 AM, Josh More wrote: > > Are you using the provided drivers or the binary drivers from > > Nvidia? > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:20 AM, David Wagle > > > wrote: > > > > Nvidia 7600 4G > > > > On 04/29/2014 09:12 AM, Jake Vath wrote: > >> What kind of graphics is you computer running? AMD, NVidia, or > >> Intel? > > > >> -> Jake > > > > > >> On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:08 AM, David Wagle > >> > > >> > > wrote: > > > >> So I decided to install Mint Cinnamon LMDE for yucks. > > > >> It works great and I could see even sticking with this over > >> XMonad on Arch, I'm kind of done with tweaking for tweaking's > >> sake :) > > > >> But I have an issue that I can't quite figure out. > > > >> On my left monitor I have a bright pink line on the left most > >> side of the monitor. > > > >> What's really weird is that if I do a screen capture, it doesn't > >> show up, so I can't give a picture of it. It does appear to be > >> outside the display area because when I move my mouse over > >> there, the mouse stops before going over the pink line. > > > >> Any ideas? _______________________________________________ TCLUG > >> Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing > >> List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List > > - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List > > - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTX730AAoJELWzpBXk2k3wzS8IAIoObXMyyZl88PtShNPP+CIx > UDxi1dfrf3IqE1pEiwICUCiBjWTfCVHnYnhIQeYnRB4ecwpf1toBtXf3JeWdi+Vi > C8scJ4eY4Rp6Ri8UTfNUi0bIxhjyzLZiOePoJwHvW0nw0A5L2RCm61bWumMb/pmx > ZSkeS/HgFsQ11F+IzBStCBtY+w1pSP0Z6JATt3mgprjlmd+ZTaXVeBSa8x86tytd > cGt8hN7C1hJcSTqoF5LAo8lijejglJq6FLHu9j+79zaYm/a67w6vODTmEaKGsQyv > w8Sr1y81Dd2RWcZxiYWOJtsP3FyyXEi5NDJfvRMG/vhHlsF/yhkDuelIOkBBlFQ= > =5ZN7 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmore at starmind.org Tue Apr 29 10:18:47 2014 From: jmore at starmind.org (Josh More) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 10:18:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Mint LMDE Cinnamon dual monitor issue In-Reply-To: <535FBDF8.7010205@gmail.com> References: <535FB245.7090502@gmail.com> <535FB518.9090306@gmail.com> <535FBDF8.7010205@gmail.com> Message-ID: I will say, to get in front of a likely future post ... the open source drivers have issues. The pink line is one. The one I often run into is failure to support the external VGA port while in 3D acceleration mode. The fix is to use the Nvidia Proprietary drivers. However, on *some* systems, this introduces new issues. The one I keep seeing is that the driver isn't always recognized by X on boot. This mostly happens after kernel updates, but can happen if my laptop has been off too long or not off long enough. It's weird and immensely frustrating. The fix is to use the poweroff command, let it sit for 60 seconds and turn it on again. Then all the kernel modules register in the right order. You can sometimes force it by uninstalling and re-installing the drivers with apt-get or dpkg, but sometimes that doesn't work either. This problem seems particular to laptops that have both Intel and NVidia cards and are using the NVidia proprietary drivers. -Josh On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:58 AM, David Wagle wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I was using the provided drivers. Switching to the proprietary drivers > solved the problem. > > On 04/29/2014 09:45 AM, Josh More wrote: > > Are you using the provided drivers or the binary drivers from > > Nvidia? > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:20 AM, David Wagle > > > wrote: > > > > Nvidia 7600 4G > > > > On 04/29/2014 09:12 AM, Jake Vath wrote: > >> What kind of graphics is you computer running? AMD, NVidia, or > >> Intel? > > > >> -> Jake > > > > > >> On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:08 AM, David Wagle > >> > > >> > > wrote: > > > >> So I decided to install Mint Cinnamon LMDE for yucks. > > > >> It works great and I could see even sticking with this over > >> XMonad on Arch, I'm kind of done with tweaking for tweaking's > >> sake :) > > > >> But I have an issue that I can't quite figure out. > > > >> On my left monitor I have a bright pink line on the left most > >> side of the monitor. > > > >> What's really weird is that if I do a screen capture, it doesn't > >> show up, so I can't give a picture of it. It does appear to be > >> outside the display area because when I move my mouse over > >> there, the mouse stops before going over the pink line. > > > >> Any ideas? _______________________________________________ TCLUG > >> Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing > >> List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List > > - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List > > - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTX730AAoJELWzpBXk2k3wzS8IAIoObXMyyZl88PtShNPP+CIx > UDxi1dfrf3IqE1pEiwICUCiBjWTfCVHnYnhIQeYnRB4ecwpf1toBtXf3JeWdi+Vi > C8scJ4eY4Rp6Ri8UTfNUi0bIxhjyzLZiOePoJwHvW0nw0A5L2RCm61bWumMb/pmx > ZSkeS/HgFsQ11F+IzBStCBtY+w1pSP0Z6JATt3mgprjlmd+ZTaXVeBSa8x86tytd > cGt8hN7C1hJcSTqoF5LAo8lijejglJq6FLHu9j+79zaYm/a67w6vODTmEaKGsQyv > w8Sr1y81Dd2RWcZxiYWOJtsP3FyyXEi5NDJfvRMG/vhHlsF/yhkDuelIOkBBlFQ= > =5ZN7 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jake.vath at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 10:32:37 2014 From: jake.vath at gmail.com (Jake Vath) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 10:32:37 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Mint LMDE Cinnamon dual monitor issue In-Reply-To: References: <535FB245.7090502@gmail.com> <535FB518.9090306@gmail.com> <535FBDF8.7010205@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yeah, It's funny that I really have not experienced too many of the visual artifacts when using the Nouveau drivers. Mostly It's been performance and heat related issues. I've definitely had issues with with extending and duplicating my desktop workspace too. I think you're right about the laptops, I have not had any issues with my desktop, but that has a much newer graphics card. Opensource drivers are so much better than they used to be though. I'm just glad I don't have to spend days trying to figure out my X config... I remember trying to get the X server running on Slackware v12 or Slackware v11. I want to say that it was Slackware v12 because I remember running a 2.6.x kernel, which was released around then. It might have been running Slackware v11 after compiling the 2.6 kernel. At any rate, Nouveau drivers are so much better than what we used to have. -> Jake On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Josh More wrote: > I will say, to get in front of a likely future post ... the open source > drivers have issues. The pink line is one. The one I often run into is > failure to support the external VGA port while in 3D acceleration mode. > > The fix is to use the Nvidia Proprietary drivers. However, on *some* > systems, this introduces new issues. The one I keep seeing is that the > driver isn't always recognized by X on boot. This mostly happens after > kernel updates, but can happen if my laptop has been off too long or not > off long enough. It's weird and immensely frustrating. The fix is to use > the poweroff command, let it sit for 60 seconds and turn it on again. Then > all the kernel modules register in the right order. > > You can sometimes force it by uninstalling and re-installing the drivers > with apt-get or dpkg, but sometimes that doesn't work either. This problem > seems particular to laptops that have both Intel and NVidia cards and are > using the NVidia proprietary drivers. > > -Josh > > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:58 AM, David Wagle wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> I was using the provided drivers. Switching to the proprietary drivers >> solved the problem. >> >> On 04/29/2014 09:45 AM, Josh More wrote: >> > Are you using the provided drivers or the binary drivers from >> > Nvidia? >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:20 AM, David Wagle >> > > wrote: >> > >> > Nvidia 7600 4G >> > >> > On 04/29/2014 09:12 AM, Jake Vath wrote: >> >> What kind of graphics is you computer running? AMD, NVidia, or >> >> Intel? >> > >> >> -> Jake >> > >> > >> >> On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:08 AM, David Wagle >> >> >> > >> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> So I decided to install Mint Cinnamon LMDE for yucks. >> > >> >> It works great and I could see even sticking with this over >> >> XMonad on Arch, I'm kind of done with tweaking for tweaking's >> >> sake :) >> > >> >> But I have an issue that I can't quite figure out. >> > >> >> On my left monitor I have a bright pink line on the left most >> >> side of the monitor. >> > >> >> What's really weird is that if I do a screen capture, it doesn't >> >> show up, so I can't give a picture of it. It does appear to be >> >> outside the display area because when I move my mouse over >> >> there, the mouse stops before going over the pink line. >> > >> >> Any ideas? _______________________________________________ TCLUG >> >> Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > > >> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing >> >> List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > >> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List >> > - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > >> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List >> > - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ >> >> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTX730AAoJELWzpBXk2k3wzS8IAIoObXMyyZl88PtShNPP+CIx >> UDxi1dfrf3IqE1pEiwICUCiBjWTfCVHnYnhIQeYnRB4ecwpf1toBtXf3JeWdi+Vi >> C8scJ4eY4Rp6Ri8UTfNUi0bIxhjyzLZiOePoJwHvW0nw0A5L2RCm61bWumMb/pmx >> ZSkeS/HgFsQ11F+IzBStCBtY+w1pSP0Z6JATt3mgprjlmd+ZTaXVeBSa8x86tytd >> cGt8hN7C1hJcSTqoF5LAo8lijejglJq6FLHu9j+79zaYm/a67w6vODTmEaKGsQyv >> w8Sr1y81Dd2RWcZxiYWOJtsP3FyyXEi5NDJfvRMG/vhHlsF/yhkDuelIOkBBlFQ= >> =5ZN7 >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.wagle at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 10:41:06 2014 From: david.wagle at gmail.com (David Wagle) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 10:41:06 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Mint LMDE Cinnamon dual monitor issue In-Reply-To: References: <535FB245.7090502@gmail.com> <535FB518.9090306@gmail.com> <535FBDF8.7010205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <535FC812.9090404@gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Heck I remember hand coding vsync and hsync timings back in the 1.2 days. All so we could experience the glory that is twm :) On 04/29/2014 10:32 AM, Jake Vath wrote: > Yeah, It's funny that I really have not experienced too many of > the visual artifacts when using the Nouveau drivers. Mostly It's > been performance and heat related issues. I've definitely had > issues with with extending and duplicating my desktop workspace > too. > > I think you're right about the laptops, I have not had any issues > with my desktop, but that has a much newer graphics card. > > Opensource drivers are so much better than they used to be though. > I'm just glad I don't have to spend days trying to figure out my X > config... > > I remember trying to get the X server running on Slackware v12 or > Slackware v11. I want to say that it was Slackware v12 because I > remember running a 2.6.x kernel, which was released around then. It > might have been running Slackware v11 after compiling the 2.6 > kernel. At any rate, Nouveau drivers are so much better than what > we used to have. > > -> Jake > > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Josh More > wrote: > > I will say, to get in front of a likely future post ... the open > source drivers have issues. The pink line is one. The one I > often run into is failure to support the external VGA port while in > 3D acceleration mode. > > The fix is to use the Nvidia Proprietary drivers. However, on > *some* systems, this introduces new issues. The one I keep seeing > is that the driver isn't always recognized by X on boot. This > mostly happens after kernel updates, but can happen if my laptop > has been off too long or not off long enough. It's weird and > immensely frustrating. The fix is to use the poweroff command, let > it sit for 60 seconds and turn it on again. Then all the kernel > modules register in the right order. > > You can sometimes force it by uninstalling and re-installing the > drivers with apt-get or dpkg, but sometimes that doesn't work > either. This problem seems particular to laptops that have both > Intel and NVidia cards and are using the NVidia proprietary > drivers. > > -Josh > > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:58 AM, David Wagle > > wrote: > > I was using the provided drivers. Switching to the proprietary > drivers solved the problem. > > On 04/29/2014 09:45 AM, Josh More wrote: >> Are you using the provided drivers or the binary drivers from >> Nvidia? > > >> On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:20 AM, David Wagle >> > >> > wrote: > >> Nvidia 7600 4G > >> On 04/29/2014 09:12 AM, Jake Vath wrote: >>> What kind of graphics is you computer running? AMD, NVidia, or >>> Intel? > >>> -> Jake > > >>> On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:08 AM, David Wagle >>> > > >> > >>> >> wrote: > >>> So I decided to install Mint Cinnamon LMDE for yucks. > >>> It works great and I could see even sticking with this over >>> XMonad on Arch, I'm kind of done with tweaking for tweaking's >>> sake :) > >>> But I have an issue that I can't quite figure out. > >>> On my left monitor I have a bright pink line on the left most >>> side of the monitor. > >>> What's really weird is that if I do a screen capture, it >>> doesn't show up, so I can't give a picture of it. It does >>> appear to be outside the display area because when I move my >>> mouse over there, the mouse stops before going over the pink >>> line. > >>> Any ideas? _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > >> >> >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > >>> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing >>> List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > > >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing >> List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> > > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing >> List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List > - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List > - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List > - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTX8gSAAoJELWzpBXk2k3wn8kIAIMKtHDG50Wk5vClSBO5eFTw 4rykUqkSuPY3+7hjQIBVUiSDOWfBdiKf/gO26xluanjqwUNnOnYCzDCso7VcegS3 lCDlJ60xxBM+1nonkAAC+E0ZnHTUxsi74Xfmt5QDYxQjiwvbXfXvgZdUPIPXUnsx p/ykIuHCyg6BF4P3/DlRTXBYdQlQ6wILyqYvBazs0/9+LLVxxyLbswz52dRmr8Bn kO3BJIAFry7YF+Ip7gnlRVBYm0gfRoWHBRbwu3pd9U0FwOg/CW5TranrkUfZYOft 020v4Z0ugRc2TtN3efRi1YLL96XFpGzKHluwCOpxRpai1MjJ0431ilokiDTlG5I= =UN2O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jake.vath at gmail.com Tue Apr 29 10:46:04 2014 From: jake.vath at gmail.com (Jake Vath) Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 10:46:04 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Mint LMDE Cinnamon dual monitor issue In-Reply-To: <535FC812.9090404@gmail.com> References: <535FB245.7090502@gmail.com> <535FB518.9090306@gmail.com> <535FBDF8.7010205@gmail.com> <535FC812.9090404@gmail.com> Message-ID: Haha, that's pretty hardcore. I'm constantly amazed with how easy you can get graphical instance of anything running these days. I need to send those developers a thank you email... -> Jake On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 10:41 AM, David Wagle wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Heck I remember hand coding vsync and hsync timings back in the 1.2 > days. All so we could experience the glory that is twm :) > > On 04/29/2014 10:32 AM, Jake Vath wrote: > > Yeah, It's funny that I really have not experienced too many of > > the visual artifacts when using the Nouveau drivers. Mostly It's > > been performance and heat related issues. I've definitely had > > issues with with extending and duplicating my desktop workspace > > too. > > > > I think you're right about the laptops, I have not had any issues > > with my desktop, but that has a much newer graphics card. > > > > Opensource drivers are so much better than they used to be though. > > I'm just glad I don't have to spend days trying to figure out my X > > config... > > > > I remember trying to get the X server running on Slackware v12 or > > Slackware v11. I want to say that it was Slackware v12 because I > > remember running a 2.6.x kernel, which was released around then. It > > might have been running Slackware v11 after compiling the 2.6 > > kernel. At any rate, Nouveau drivers are so much better than what > > we used to have. > > > > -> Jake > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Josh More > > wrote: > > > > I will say, to get in front of a likely future post ... the open > > source drivers have issues. The pink line is one. The one I > > often run into is failure to support the external VGA port while in > > 3D acceleration mode. > > > > The fix is to use the Nvidia Proprietary drivers. However, on > > *some* systems, this introduces new issues. The one I keep seeing > > is that the driver isn't always recognized by X on boot. This > > mostly happens after kernel updates, but can happen if my laptop > > has been off too long or not off long enough. It's weird and > > immensely frustrating. The fix is to use the poweroff command, let > > it sit for 60 seconds and turn it on again. Then all the kernel > > modules register in the right order. > > > > You can sometimes force it by uninstalling and re-installing the > > drivers with apt-get or dpkg, but sometimes that doesn't work > > either. This problem seems particular to laptops that have both > > Intel and NVidia cards and are using the NVidia proprietary > > drivers. > > > > -Josh > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:58 AM, David Wagle > > > wrote: > > > > I was using the provided drivers. Switching to the proprietary > > drivers solved the problem. > > > > On 04/29/2014 09:45 AM, Josh More wrote: > >> Are you using the provided drivers or the binary drivers from > >> Nvidia? > > > > > >> On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:20 AM, David Wagle > >> > > >> > > wrote: > > > >> Nvidia 7600 4G > > > >> On 04/29/2014 09:12 AM, Jake Vath wrote: > >>> What kind of graphics is you computer running? AMD, NVidia, or > >>> Intel? > > > >>> -> Jake > > > > > >>> On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 9:08 AM, David Wagle > >>> > > > > >> > > >>> > >> wrote: > > > >>> So I decided to install Mint Cinnamon LMDE for yucks. > > > >>> It works great and I could see even sticking with this over > >>> XMonad on Arch, I'm kind of done with tweaking for tweaking's > >>> sake :) > > > >>> But I have an issue that I can't quite figure out. > > > >>> On my left monitor I have a bright pink line on the left most > >>> side of the monitor. > > > >>> What's really weird is that if I do a screen capture, it > >>> doesn't show up, so I can't give a picture of it. It does > >>> appear to be outside the display area because when I move my > >>> mouse over there, the mouse stops before going over the pink > >>> line. > > > >>> Any ideas? _______________________________________________ > >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > >> > > >> > >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > >>> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing > >>> List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> >> > > >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing > >> List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > >> >> > > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing > >> List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List > > - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List > > - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List > > - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.15 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTX8gSAAoJELWzpBXk2k3wn8kIAIMKtHDG50Wk5vClSBO5eFTw > 4rykUqkSuPY3+7hjQIBVUiSDOWfBdiKf/gO26xluanjqwUNnOnYCzDCso7VcegS3 > lCDlJ60xxBM+1nonkAAC+E0ZnHTUxsi74Xfmt5QDYxQjiwvbXfXvgZdUPIPXUnsx > p/ykIuHCyg6BF4P3/DlRTXBYdQlQ6wILyqYvBazs0/9+LLVxxyLbswz52dRmr8Bn > kO3BJIAFry7YF+Ip7gnlRVBYm0gfRoWHBRbwu3pd9U0FwOg/CW5TranrkUfZYOft > 020v4Z0ugRc2TtN3efRi1YLL96XFpGzKHluwCOpxRpai1MjJ0431ilokiDTlG5I= > =UN2O > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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