From lkateley at kateley.com Mon Aug 4 17:55:31 2014 From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2014 17:55:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Performance Tuning Linux In-Reply-To: <20140731065902.Horde.7APHsckbBF1DhEuRpeuu-w1@mail.dalan.us> References: <20140731065902.Horde.7APHsckbBF1DhEuRpeuu-w1@mail.dalan.us> Message-ID: <53E00F63.1000203@kateley.com> Not sure if you had any responses to this, but this sounds kind of old to me. When hyperthreading first came out, it would flush the l1 cache when you moved the new thread context onto the cpu. I don't think it does this anymore. I used to do that kind of recommendation in low latency so you wouldn't keep squashy the l1. If you had a single threaded app, it wouldn't make sense to keep clearing. Another solution to that is to give the app it's own cpu. Nowadays, you can barely buy a server without a bunch of cores/sockets. The second one.. is more current. For sometime, chips slowed themselves down..to conserve power, if they don't have work to do, but the speed up hasn't been an issue for sometime. I have done perf tuning for years(on solaris, not linux) but the best thing is almost always more/better resources. Also ssd is probably the best thing to come around for performance in years. Low end disks do like 100-300 iops. SSD's can be anywhere from 1-20k iops. Disk is regularly the bottleneck. My favorite perf tuning for low latency network app is bind network interrupts to a cpu or set of cpu's. Not cpu 0 or 1. Interrupts will usually cause whatever is running to park, then have to reload. The others are usually double caching of same data. The multipath tcp thing sounds really similar to some of the technologies around infiniband. Trying to think of application? On 7/31/14, 6:59 AM, canito at dalan.us wrote: > Good Morning- > > Last night I watched a couple of Performance Tuning videos on Youtube > and hearing a couple of suggestions I've never heard before, prompted > me to write and ask what are some of the tunables you find most useful? > > Two suggestions for performance that I have not heard up to now: > > 1.) Disabling hyper-threading for latency sensitive applications. > 2.) Disabling power management in the BIOS. > > Also just learn of MultipathTCP (MPTCP) which I haven't found any of > the "enterprise" distros having support for it. One of the speakers > discussed performance degradation using bonding. Has anyone else > experienced this? What are the better alternatives for bonding > interfaces? > > Hope you-all have a good day! > > SDA > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eng at pinenet.com Tue Aug 5 06:08:50 2014 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2014 06:08:50 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Performance Tuning Linux In-Reply-To: <53E00F63.1000203@kateley.com> References: <20140731065902.Horde.7APHsckbBF1DhEuRpeuu-w1@mail.dalan.us> <53E00F63.1000203@kateley.com> Message-ID: <53E0BB42.9010001@pinenet.com> At the opposite end of the "performance tuning linux" spectrum is the "Raspberry Pi" platform. Using under 5W, costing as low as $35, running "Raspian" linux on 700MHz and 500MB and an SD card, it isn't for rocket scientists. So I thought it was worth dusting off an old freepascal console codes program and trying to adapt it to TCL. TCL is a nice command and scripting language, and might better provide a console user interface, thus saving graphics work. Amazing how old treasures are quickly dumped these days. Those of us old enough to remember mechanical typewriters, tube TVs, and solenoid switches might appreciate Linux on this end of the performance spectrum. Linda Kateley wrote: > Not sure if you had any responses to this, but this sounds kind of old > to me. When hyperthreading first came out, it would flush the l1 cache > when you moved the new thread context onto the cpu. I don't think it > does this anymore. I used to do that kind of recommendation in low > latency so you wouldn't keep squashy the l1. If you had a single > threaded app, it wouldn't make sense to keep clearing. Another solution > to that is to give the app it's own cpu. Nowadays, you can barely buy a > server without a bunch of cores/sockets. > > The second one.. is more current. For sometime, chips slowed themselves > down..to conserve power, if they don't have work to do, but the speed up > hasn't been an issue for sometime. > > I have done perf tuning for years(on solaris, not linux) but the best > thing is almost always more/better resources. Also ssd is probably the > best thing to come around for performance in years. Low end disks do > like 100-300 iops. SSD's can be anywhere from 1-20k iops. Disk is > regularly the bottleneck. > > My favorite perf tuning for low latency network app is bind network > interrupts to a cpu or set of cpu's. Not cpu 0 or 1. Interrupts will > usually cause whatever is running to park, then have to reload. The > others are usually double caching of same data. > > The multipath tcp thing sounds really similar to some of the > technologies around infiniband. Trying to think of application? > > On 7/31/14, 6:59 AM, canito at dalan.us wrote: >> Good Morning- >> >> Last night I watched a couple of Performance Tuning videos on Youtube >> and hearing a couple of suggestions I've never heard before, prompted >> me to write and ask what are some of the tunables you find most useful? >> >> Two suggestions for performance that I have not heard up to now: >> >> 1.) Disabling hyper-threading for latency sensitive applications. >> 2.) Disabling power management in the BIOS. >> >> Also just learn of MultipathTCP (MPTCP) which I haven't found any of >> the "enterprise" distros having support for it. One of the speakers >> discussed performance degradation using bonding. Has anyone else >> experienced this? What are the better alternatives for bonding >> interfaces? >> >> Hope you-all have a good day! >> >> SDA >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Thu Aug 7 17:13:26 2014 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 17:13:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] ssh clients not finishing disconnect with dropbear server Message-ID: I've poked around Google and haven't found much on this. Whenever I quit, either typing exit or control-d from my ssh dropbear server (ArchLinux, raspi), the connection won't completely finish the process. I get a log out displayed but the session stays up in the shell (even if I try control-c/z, it's like it locked up). Clients I've tried are cygwin (Windows), and openssh (Linux), all produce this problem. I had an older version on a NAS I haven't used in months, and I don't recall having this problem (likely an older version of dropbear). If anyone has any suggestions or has dealt with this before, I'd be happy to hear suggestions. Some specs: * Pi, B model * dropbear 2014.64, ecdsa host key * bash 4.3.018, dash 0.5.7-4 * linux 3.12.25-1-ARCH Regards, -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com From andrew at lunn.ch Fri Aug 8 09:00:16 2014 From: andrew at lunn.ch (Andrew Lunn) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 16:00:16 +0200 Subject: [tclug-list] ssh clients not finishing disconnect with dropbear server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20140808140016.GA26751@lunn.ch> On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 05:13:26PM -0500, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote: > I've poked around Google and haven't found much on this. Whenever I > quit, either typing exit or control-d from my ssh dropbear server > (ArchLinux, raspi), the connection won't completely finish the > process. I get a log out displayed but the session stays up in the > shell (even if I try control-c/z, it's like it locked up). Clients > I've tried are cygwin (Windows), and openssh (Linux), all produce this > problem. I had an older version on a NAS I haven't used in months, and > I don't recall having this problem (likely an older version of > dropbear). Hi Jeremy Should a bit like the client thinks there is another use of the control master. Take a look at http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/OpenSSH/Cookbook/Multiplexing which explains the concept. Try running your client with -v and see if there is a second connection. Could be something like X11 forwarding. Andrew From adam at askewview.net Fri Aug 8 08:58:02 2014 From: adam at askewview.net (Adam Barthelemy) Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 08:58:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] ssh clients not finishing disconnect with dropbear server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <90ae9b94cdda117301b94d529cbc4d60@askewview.net> Jeremy, The only time I've personally seen this in the past is when I'm tunneling something through SSH and whatever is using that tunnel is still active. An example: I use Crashplan on a headless Linux machine. If I still have the Crashplan client open accessing the remote system through that tunnel the SSH session will not fully disconnect until I close Crashplan. Thanks, Adam On 2014-08-07 17:13, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote: > I've poked around Google and haven't found much on this. Whenever I > quit, either typing exit or control-d from my ssh dropbear server > (ArchLinux, raspi), the connection won't completely finish the > process. I get a log out displayed but the session stays up in the > shell (even if I try control-c/z, it's like it locked up). Clients > I've tried are cygwin (Windows), and openssh (Linux), all produce this > problem. I had an older version on a NAS I haven't used in months, and > I don't recall having this problem (likely an older version of > dropbear). > > If anyone has any suggestions or has dealt with this before, I'd be > happy to hear suggestions. > > Some specs: > * Pi, B model > * dropbear 2014.64, ecdsa host key > * bash 4.3.018, dash 0.5.7-4 > * linux 3.12.25-1-ARCH > > Regards, > > -- > Jeremy MountainJohnson > Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Fri Aug 8 10:01:11 2014 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 10:01:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] kde trusty desktop installer password Message-ID: > i've just downloaded and booted the latest daily-live kde desktop iso. i see a screen with a password box upon closer examination, the kubuntu installer begins its autologin but does not complete it. i suspect thix box is triggering a latent X bug. after the kubuntu installer autologin fails, it winds up in the kubuntu display manager, hence the password screen. From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Fri Aug 8 10:47:56 2014 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 10:47:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] rename Message-ID: > if the rename fails mv blithely barrels into copying any volume of data using rename happily averts ever inadvertently copying files, it errors out instead. if asked i'll be happy to post my mv-like bash function that uses rename. (what works best to post code and avoid line breaks? attach? html blockquote?) (markdown philosophy looks compelling, but sadly it doesn't look like a markdown formatted blockquote would survive simple email.) From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Fri Aug 8 16:24:29 2014 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 16:24:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] ssh clients not finishing disconnect with dropbear server In-Reply-To: <90ae9b94cdda117301b94d529cbc4d60@askewview.net> References: <90ae9b94cdda117301b94d529cbc4d60@askewview.net> Message-ID: Odd, downgrading to 2014.63 and the problem goes away. I don't have any tunnels (although the option is probably enabled). I do the same thing you do with Crahshplan and openssh, haven't had any issues with that on a separate box. Andrew, thanks for the debug flag, I forgot about that. It didn't show any errors upon exiting. Thanks for the input, -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 8:58 AM, Adam Barthelemy wrote: > Jeremy, > > The only time I've personally seen this in the past is when I'm tunneling > something through SSH and whatever is using that tunnel is still active. > > An example: I use Crashplan on a headless Linux machine. If I still have > the Crashplan client open accessing the remote system through that tunnel > the SSH session will not fully disconnect until I close Crashplan. > > Thanks, > Adam > > > On 2014-08-07 17:13, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote: >> >> I've poked around Google and haven't found much on this. Whenever I >> quit, either typing exit or control-d from my ssh dropbear server >> (ArchLinux, raspi), the connection won't completely finish the >> process. I get a log out displayed but the session stays up in the >> shell (even if I try control-c/z, it's like it locked up). Clients >> I've tried are cygwin (Windows), and openssh (Linux), all produce this >> problem. I had an older version on a NAS I haven't used in months, and >> I don't recall having this problem (likely an older version of >> dropbear). >> >> If anyone has any suggestions or has dealt with this before, I'd be >> happy to hear suggestions. >> >> Some specs: >> * Pi, B model >> * dropbear 2014.64, ecdsa host key >> * bash 4.3.018, dash 0.5.7-4 >> * linux 3.12.25-1-ARCH >> >> Regards, >> >> -- >> Jeremy MountainJohnson >> Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sat Aug 9 02:15:28 2014 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2014 02:15:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] rename In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Aug 2014, gregrwm wrote: >> if the rename fails mv blithely barrels into copying any volume of data > > using rename happily averts ever inadvertently copying files, it errors > out instead. if asked i'll be happy to post my mv-like bash function > that uses rename. (what works best to post code and avoid line breaks? > attach? html blockquote?) (markdown philosophy looks compelling, but > sadly it doesn't look like a markdown formatted blockquote would survive > simple email.) It's just a function? Is it long? You should be able to send it in plain text email, but if it's long or has long lines, I'd make it a plain text attachment. Mike From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Sat Aug 9 09:37:42 2014 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2014 09:37:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Cheap phone Message-ID: http://www.amazon.com/PCD-Chaser-Prepaid-Android-Virgin/dp/B0087T0XA8 It has over 1130 anytime minutes and unlimited texting till August 28th. $35 obo -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Sat Aug 9 14:54:26 2014 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2014 14:54:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] rename Message-ID: iiuc >prefixed lines will make it through gmail plain text mode without getting wrapped, let's see if that's true.. ># unlike mv, rename will never inadvertently copy files, it errors out if not same filesystem. ># rename's weakness is it neither will backup nor warn before replacing pre-existing targets. ># ># rb like rename, but if targets exist back them up into /~ with unique name ># mb like mv -vb, but use rb (which puts backups into /~ with unique name) ># cb like cf, but if targets exist put backups into /~ with unique name ># co like cP, but if targets exist put backups into /~ with unique name ># -~ like rm, but actually toss args into /~ with unique name ># b~ copy args into /~ with unique name ># bn ln args into /~ with unique name ># cf cp -v, preserve dates&modes, sparse, use cp backup facility if target exists ># cu like cf but ignore if not more recent ># cP like cf but if target exists retain the owner&inode and copy over/into it ># ># backups as implemented here are all tossed into one flat directory per filesystem with unique ># names derived from their original name plus a number injected just before the extension > >alias cu='cp -vbau --sparse=always ${reflink=$(cp --reflink=auto --version>/dev/null 2>&1&&echo --reflink=auto)}' >alias cf='cp -vba --sparse=always ${reflink=$(cp --reflink=auto --version>/dev/null 2>&1&&echo --reflink=auto)}' >alias cP='cp -vPR --sparse=always ${reflink=$(cp --reflink=auto --version>/dev/null 2>&1&&echo --reflink=auto)} --preserve=mode,timestamps' #preserve=link only works if all faces of the link are copied, else it UNlinks >alias bn=' bN \~' > b~(){ B \~ "$@";} > -~(){ _ \~ "$@";} > bN()(h= D="$1";shift;N~ "$@";for a do \~;ln -- "$a" "$b$h$n$e"||exit;done) > _()(h= D="$1";shift;N~ "$@";for a do \~;mb "$a" "$b$h$n$e"||exit;done) > B()(h= D="$1";shift;N~ "$@";for a do \~;{ cmps "$a" "$c"&& > l "$c"|| #if already backed up just ls > cu -- "$a" "$b$n$e";}||exit;done) ># \~ explode arg into components > ~(){ a=${a%%*(/)} #assignment from $1 drops \001 et al characters in older bashes, assign from $a instead > d=${a%/*};[ "$d" = "$a" ]&&d= > e=${a##*/} #basename > b=${e%.*};[ "$b" ]||b=$e #sans extension > e=${e#$b};pushd "${d:-/}">/dev/null||exit #extension, if cd fails exit from () parent > b=$(/bin/pwd)/$b;popd >/dev/null #actual location > fs=${D%/*} #fs may be specified via the dirname of the first arg to B or _ > if [ "$fs" = "$D" ];then c=$b;while read -r m m r;do #if fs not specified find longest match in /proc/mounts > r=${b#$m};[ ${#r} -lt ${#c} ]&&c=$r fs=${m%%*(/)};done D=${D#$fs/} > b=${b#$fs/} > b=${b##*(/)} > b=$fs/$D/${b//\//^} #unique name prefix > c=$(ls -tc1Nad "$b$h"~+([0-9])"$e" 2>/dev/null|head -1) #most recent existing > md -pm1777 "$fs/$D";} ># N~ survey args and set n= highest backup number +1 > N~(){ N=();for a do \~;N=("${N[@]}" "$b$h"~+([0-9])"$e");done > n=\~$(($(ls -U1Nad "${N[@]}" 2>/dev/null|(echo -1;while read -r b;do b=${b##*[/^]} n=${b%.*};[[ $n ]]||n=$b;n=${n##*~} > [[ $n =~ ^[0-9]+$ ]]&&echo $n;done)|sort -nr|head -1)+1));} > ># bq enumerate a=(sources) b=(targets), error if last arg not a dir and not 2 args ># Bq filter B=(pre-existing-targets), preserve prior exit status >funct bq(){ [[ -d ${@:$#} ]]&&a=("${@:1:$#-1}") a=("${a[@]%%*(/)}") b=("${@:$#}/${a[@]##*/}")||{ [[ $# = 2 ]]&&a=("$1") b=("$2");};Bq;} #NB no switches >funct Bq(){ r=$? B=();for c in "${b[@]}";do [[ -e $c ]]&&B=("$@" "$c");done;return $r;} >funct co()(! bq "$@"||b~ "${B[@]}"&&cP "$@") >funct cb()(! bq "$@"||-~ "${B[@]}"&&cf "$@") >funct mb()( bq "$@"&&for((i=0;i<${#a[@]};i++))do rb "${a[i]}" "${b[i]}" "${a[i]}"||exit;done) >funct rb()(a=("${@:3}") b=("${a[@]/$1/$2}");Bq;bn "${B[@]}"&&if [[ $(type -p rename.ul) ]];then rename.ul -v "$@";else rename "$@"&&echo "(${@:3}) -> (${b[@]})";fi) > >function cmps(){ [ -e "$1" ];ir=$? #like cmp but.. > [ -e "$2" ];jr=$? > [ $ir = 0 -a $jr = 0 ]||{ [ $ir = $jr ]&&return 0||return 1;} #return true if both don't exist > [ -x /usr/bin/cmp ]&&{ cmp -s "$1" "$2" &&return 0||return 1;} #use cmp if present > cmpsloop <(cat<"$1") <"$2" &&return 0||return 1;} >function cmpsloop(){ while true;do read -r i <"$1";ir=$? #read discards leading whitespace with default IFS > read -r j ;jr=$?; [ "$i" = "$j" ] ||return 1 #return false if different > [ $ir = 0 -a $jr = 0 ]||{ [ $ir = $jr ]&&return 0||return 1;};done;} From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sun Aug 10 22:08:57 2014 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 22:08:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] rename In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 9 Aug 2014, gregrwm wrote: > iiuc >prefixed lines will make it through gmail plain text mode > without getting wrapped, let's see if that's true.. It seems to have worked in this instance. Your longest line was 222 characters (excluding the newline). Mike From chapinjeff at gmail.com Tue Aug 12 12:37:21 2014 From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 12:37:21 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Cheap phone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Brian, This is the third time you have tried to offload this particular phone on this mailing list, apparently with no luck. Perhaps you should look into something like Craig's List. Jeff On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Brian Wood wrote: > http://www.amazon.com/PCD-Chaser-Prepaid-Android-Virgin/dp/B0087T0XA8 > > It has over 1130 anytime minutes and unlimited texting till August 28th. > > $35 obo > > -- > Brian > Ebenezer Enterprises > http://webEbenezer.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Jeff Chapin President, CedarLug, retired President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" President, UNI Scuba Club Senator, NISG, retired -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Tue Aug 12 12:43:18 2014 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 12:43:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Cheap phone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jeff[1], This is like the millionth time someone told Brian to quit his shenanigans[2] on the list, with no luck. Perhaps you should look into ignoring him (; [1] This whole thing might come off as snarky but I'm going for humour. [2] Holy crap I spelled shenanigans correctly on the first try. On Tue, 12 Aug 2014, Jeff Chapin wrote: > Brian, > > This is the third time you have tried to offload this particular phone on > this mailing list, apparently with no luck. Perhaps you should look into > something like Craig's List. > > Jeff > > > On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Brian Wood wrote: > http://www.amazon.com/PCD-Chaser-Prepaid-Android-Virgin/dp/B0087T0XA8 > > It has over 1130 anytime minutes and unlimited texting till August > 28th.? > > $35 obo ? > > -- > Brian > Ebenezer Enterprises > http://webEbenezer.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > -- > Jeff Chapin > President, CedarLug, retired > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" > President, UNI Scuba Club > Senator, NISG, retired > > From dennis.thoemke at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 11:57:28 2014 From: dennis.thoemke at gmail.com (Dennis Thoemke) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 11:57:28 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Newbie Message-ID: Hello, I am interested in gaining an understanding of Linux. We have a data acquisition system at work that runs on Linux and I would like to understand file/directory structures, editing, scripting etc. I have no prior UNIX/Linux experience. Does the TCLUG ever put on training? I see that you have an installfest in October. I am considering bringing an older, rarely used PC to have it loaded with Linux at your event. In the mean time can you suggest any training or other resources that will bring me up to speed quickly? I am an engineer by vocation and have a good comfort level with computers. I occasionally do some PLC programming. Just looking for the best way to get up to speed and to do it economically. Thanks in advance for any advice you may offer, Dennis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 11:06:05 -0700 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Newbie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This site is a few years old but most of the basics seem to be covered here: http://www.linux-tutorial.info/modules.php?name=MContent&pageid=224 Ed On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Dennis Thoemke wrote: > Hello, > I am interested in gaining an understanding of Linux. We have a data > acquisition system at work that runs on Linux and I would like to understand > file/directory structures, editing, scripting etc. I have no prior > UNIX/Linux experience. Does the TCLUG ever put on training? I see that you > have an installfest in October. I am considering bringing an older, rarely > used PC to have it loaded with Linux at your event. > > In the mean time can you suggest any training or other resources that will > bring me up to speed quickly? I am an engineer by vocation and have a good > comfort level with computers. I occasionally do some PLC programming. Just > looking for the best way to get up to speed and to do it economically. > > Thanks in advance for any advice you may offer, > Dennis > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 13:33:04 2014 From: ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com (Ryan Dunlop) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:33:04 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Newbie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This course is self paced and would be a great intro for you to check out. It starts simply, giving a look into boot processes, directory structures etc. and gets into bash scripting etc. later on. https://www.edx.org/course/linuxfoundationx/linuxfoundationx-lfs101x-introduction-1621#.U-z_3dZKzoI Ryan On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Dennis Thoemke wrote: > Hello, > I am interested in gaining an understanding of Linux. We have a data > acquisition system at work that runs on Linux and I would like to > understand file/directory structures, editing, scripting etc. I have no > prior UNIX/Linux experience. Does the TCLUG ever put on training? I see > that you have an installfest in October. I am considering bringing an > older, rarely used PC to have it loaded with Linux at your event. > > In the mean time can you suggest any training or other resources that will > bring me up to speed quickly? I am an engineer by vocation and have a good > comfort level with computers. I occasionally do some PLC programming. Just > looking for the best way to get up to speed and to do it economically. > > Thanks in advance for any advice you may offer, > Dennis > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jazzyflute at gmail.com Thu Aug 14 13:37:45 2014 From: jazzyflute at gmail.com (Marc Thomas) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 18:32:45 -0005 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Newbie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1408041465.1421.0@smtp.gmail.com> Dennis, The course Ryan mentioned is a great starting place. After your done with that, if you want to dive into other Linux related topics, I've been hearing good things about Linux Academy [https://linuxacademy.com/]. It might be worth your time to check out what courses they offer. It's not free, but depending on what kind of content you are looking for, it may be worth the cost. On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Ryan Dunlop wrote: > This course is self paced and would be a great intro for you to check > out. It starts simply, giving a look into boot processes, directory > structures etc. and gets into bash scripting etc. later on. > > https://www.edx.org/course/linuxfoundationx/linuxfoundationx-lfs101x-introduction-1621#.U-z_3dZKzoI > > Ryan > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Dennis Thoemke > wrote: >> Hello, >> I am interested in gaining an understanding of Linux. We have a data >> acquisition system at work that runs on Linux and I would like to >> understand file/directory structures, editing, scripting etc. I have >> no prior UNIX/Linux experience. Does the TCLUG ever put on training? >> I see that you have an installfest in October. I am considering >> bringing an older, rarely used PC to have it loaded with Linux at >> your event. >> >> In the mean time can you suggest any training or other resources >> that will bring me up to speed quickly? I am an engineer by vocation >> and have a good comfort level with computers. I occasionally do some >> PLC programming. Just looking for the best way to get up to speed >> and to do it economically. >> >> Thanks in advance for any advice you may offer, >> Dennis >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From eng at pinenet.com Sat Aug 16 11:52:36 2014 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 11:52:36 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Newbie In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53EF8C54.1080706@pinenet.com> I've been studying computers since 1975, when I started grad school in Biophysics under the professor who invented digital electronics, Otto Schmitt. And I still don't think I'm an expert about computers, electronics, or Linux. We all learn from each other all the time. So you have come to the right place to teach us and, hopefully, learn from us. My linux learning had three components. I started with SuSE Linux Pro 6.1 with all the SuSE books, long ago, and continued with SuSE until the SuSE Pro distribution mostly ended. I shopped eBay for used books galore, since many computer experts are now in nursing homes (or beyond). And I dug into the computers running Linux during long northern Minnesota winters, like a penguin. These days, with ultra resolution display graphics, you won't get eye strain squinting at an Xray emitting CRT. So I suspect Linux will continue to grow exponentially, globally. I doubt anybody who has a class to "teach" linux. But a community of eager learners sharing the fun is of great value. Dennis Thoemke wrote: > Hello, > I am interested in gaining an understanding of Linux. We have a data > acquisition system at work that runs on Linux and I would like to > understand file/directory structures, editing, scripting etc. I have no > prior UNIX/Linux experience. Does the TCLUG ever put on training? I see > that you have an installfest in October. I am considering bringing an > older, rarely used PC to have it loaded with Linux at your event. > > In the mean time can you suggest any training or other resources that will > bring me up to speed quickly? I am an engineer by vocation and have a good > comfort level with computers. I occasionally do some PLC programming. Just > looking for the best way to get up to speed and to do it economically. > > Thanks in advance for any advice you may offer, > Dennis > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From eng at pinenet.com Sat Aug 16 12:09:51 2014 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2014 12:09:51 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Ancient text window strategy. Message-ID: <53EF905F.8080405@pinenet.com> I'm trying to build a Linux console text window system. I know there are ncurses, etc. based libraries around. But sending a "console codes" escape sequence directly to the linux virtual terminal driver is as direct as can be. Interestingly, when trying to figure out a text window widget set I looked at the old XPM icon format. The XPM format, of course, is for pixel arrays on the X graphical system. But why not use it for character arrays on a text terminal?? You can design the dialog window in a text editor, store it in a normal file, and all the usual file descriptor stuff is available. The reason I raise the issue, is I'm sure the XPM pixel format was itself copied from a paper teleprinter format. Is there any awareness of this pre-Unix paper forms around?? My guess is it would be the 1960's or 1970's when memory and speed were very expensive, like on modern embedded controllers. From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Sun Aug 17 10:45:03 2014 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 10:45:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] rhel ubuntu-bug Message-ID: is there something akin to ubuntu-bug in the rhel/centos world? From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Sun Aug 17 11:12:12 2014 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 11:12:12 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] rhel ubuntu-bug In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Centos bug tracker: http://bugs.centos.org/print_all_bug_page.php -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 10:45 AM, gregrwm wrote: > is there something akin to ubuntu-bug in the rhel/centos world? > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Sun Aug 17 18:07:13 2014 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 18:07:13 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] extract returned mail Message-ID: writing something to extract the original email from a "returned mail" message must be in the domain of reinventing the wheel. but can anyone point me to something like that that already exists? From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Sun Aug 17 19:25:08 2014 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 19:25:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] reason: 530 5.7.0 Authentication required Message-ID: tho it works most of the time, it seems an outgoing relayhost which requires auth fairly commonly causes returned mail (reason: 530 5.7.0 Authentication required). can anyone clue me on tweaking sendmail to keep messages in the queue that would otherwise return the above error? i'm surprised they aren't already being retried, retrying later is certainly done for other circumstances.. From lkateley at kateley.com Sun Aug 17 21:33:06 2014 From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2014 21:33:06 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] reason: 530 5.7.0 Authentication required In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53F165E2.3040000@kateley.com> there are typically different levels of errors and where they should be sent in syslog.conf. On 8/17/14, 7:25 PM, gregrwm wrote: > tho it works most of the time, it seems an outgoing relayhost which > requires auth fairly commonly causes returned mail (reason: 530 5.7.0 > Authentication required). > > can anyone clue me on tweaking sendmail to keep messages in the queue > that would otherwise return the above error? i'm surprised they > aren't already being retried, retrying later is certainly done for > other circumstances.. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ryanjcole at me.com Mon Aug 18 17:47:15 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 17:47:15 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] extract returned mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wouldn?t procmail allow you to pass this through a script filter like Perl or PHP? On Aug 17, 2014, at 18:07, gregrwm wrote: > writing something to extract the original email from a "returned mail" > message must be in the domain of reinventing the wheel. but can > anyone point me to something like that that already exists? > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Tue Aug 19 14:08:25 2014 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:08:25 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Checking out FreeBSD Message-ID: Andrew Berg writes: > http://www.pcbsd.org/ > > It's a distribution of FreeBSD that comes with a bunch of desktop goodies (like > DEs and graphical system configuration utilities) and is preconfigured to work > as a desktop system. Underneath, it still has the FreeBSD base system, so > you're still getting things like pf and ZFS (and of course, there are graphical > tools for doing things with ZFS included). > KDE is the default DE, but others like GNOME/MATE and Xfce and such are > available and officially supported. > I got Xfce running now. Under KDE, my windows would move around after I locked, went away and then unlocked. I was hoping that wouldn't be the case with Xfce, but noticed it again today when I got here. Is there something I can do to prevent that? > > BTW, since I'm doing a talk on FreeBSD at the November meeting, I want to ask: > is there a lot of interest in PC-BSD? I had planned on saying a few things > about it, but I can prepare something more substantial if people are really > interested in it. I'd like to know what local companies are using BSD. -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust. http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We all learn from each other all the time. So you > have come to the right place to teach us and, hopefully, learn from us. > > My linux learning had three components. I started with SuSE Linux Pro 6.1 > with all the SuSE books, long ago, and continued with SuSE until the SuSE > Pro distribution mostly ended. I shopped eBay for used books galore, since > many computer experts are now in nursing homes (or beyond). And I dug into > the computers running Linux during long northern Minnesota winters, like a > penguin. > > These days, with ultra resolution display graphics, you won't get eye > strain squinting at an Xray emitting CRT. So I suspect Linux will continue > to grow exponentially, globally. > > I doubt anybody who has a class to "teach" linux. But a community of eager > learners sharing the fun is of great value. > > Dennis Thoemke wrote: > >> Hello, >> I am interested in gaining an understanding of Linux. We have a data >> acquisition system at work that runs on Linux and I would like to >> understand file/directory structures, editing, scripting etc. I have no >> prior UNIX/Linux experience. Does the TCLUG ever put on training? I see >> that you have an installfest in October. I am considering bringing an >> older, rarely used PC to have it loaded with Linux at your event. >> >> In the mean time can you suggest any training or other resources that will >> bring me up to speed quickly? I am an engineer by vocation and have a good >> comfort level with computers. I occasionally do some PLC programming. Just >> looking for the best way to get up to speed and to do it economically. >> >> Thanks in advance for any advice you may offer, >> Dennis >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Fri Aug 22 16:18:49 2014 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 16:18:49 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Need help setting up Samba4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53F7B3B9.7030607@gmail.com> On 8/19/2014 8:36 PM, Jon Schewe wrote: > Does anyone know how to make this work in Samba4? > Yes. I don't have time now, but I'll try to send you details this weekend. From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Mon Aug 25 11:25:16 2014 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 11:25:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] San Francisco in November Message-ID: There's a meeting: https://www.meetbsd.com/ out in San Francisco that I'm interested in. I would provide a vehicle and expect you to pay for 3/4 of the gas. Hopefully you can drive some also. If you are interested in this please let me know. Is it just me or does this area rarely have interesting conferences? Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - "Unless the L-rd builds the house, they labor in vain that build it." Psalms 127:1 http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jazzyflute at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 09:28:34 2014 From: jazzyflute at gmail.com (Marc Thomas) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 09:28:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] NORLUG's August Meeting - Emacs! Message-ID: Hey TCLUG! A few months ago, NORLUG hosted a great talk on Vim. Several people from the cities came down to check us out, learn about vim, and contribute their own knowledge and experiences! This month, NORLUG would like to extend the invitation again as we talk about the other side of the coin. Michael Domingues, a Linux Systems Administrator at St. Olaf College, will be talking about GNU Emacs, an extensible, customizable text editor. We will be meeting at the SPUR Coworking Space Tomorrow, August 28th at 7:00 p.m. Following the meeting, we will be heading over to a local pizza place for food and socializing! Announcement : G+ Event -- Website : Google+ : Twitter : GitHub -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kris.browne at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 09:32:58 2014 From: kris.browne at gmail.com (Kristopher Browne) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 09:32:58 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] NORLUG's August Meeting - Emacs! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I wish I could go, I cannot help but to pontificate on Emacs, but thats a trip too far for a weeknight. --? Kristopher Browne From:?Marc Thomas Reply:?TCLUG Mailing List > Date:?August 27, 2014 at 9:29:21 AM To:?TCLUG Mailing List > Subject:? [tclug-list] NORLUG's August Meeting - Emacs! Hey TCLUG! A few months ago, NORLUG hosted a great talk on Vim. Several people from the cities came down to check us out, learn about vim, and contribute their own knowledge and experiences! This month, NORLUG would like to extend the invitation again as we talk about the other side of the coin. Michael Domingues, a Linux Systems Administrator at St. Olaf College, will be talking about GNU Emacs, an extensible, customizable text editor. We will be meeting at the SPUR Coworking Space Tomorrow, August 28th at 7:00 p.m. Following the meeting, we will be heading over to a local pizza place for food and socializing! Announcement?? :?? G+ Event -- Website? ?: ??Google+? ?: ??Twitter? ?: ??GitHub _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o1bigtenor at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 22:08:48 2014 From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 22:08:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] bluray disc burning Message-ID: Greetings Running Debian Jessie here in the wilds (seriously country although my wife and I get to the Twin Cities a number of times a year for some culture (!) ). Tried to use k3b to burn a bluray disc to back up my RAID 10 array. No joy. The closest I got to something that might be useful is a disc where k3b said it was 98% finished and then borked and said it was incomplete and to restart the process. Brasero I have not been able to manipulate into being able to write to a bluray disc. Tried to use ms google and mr duckduck to see if I could find some cli tools and the best option I could find was current as of 2006 so that really didn't work either. Is there anyone out there that has some personal experience in what or where to look to kick start my project. TIA Darald -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kc0iog at gmail.com Wed Aug 27 22:32:46 2014 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 22:32:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] bluray disc burning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 10:08 PM, o1bigtenor wrote: > Greetings > > Running Debian Jessie here in the wilds (seriously country although my wife > and I get to the Twin Cities a number of times a year for some culture (!) > ). Tried to use k3b to burn a bluray disc to back up my RAID 10 array. A quick Google search turned up this article: http://allgood38.io/burn-bluray-data-disks-on-linux-minimize-coasters.html It appears that burning BluRay is error prone, hence a step-by-step guide with some very specific steps. It is very clear that cdrtools must be built from source, not using the Debian packages. That is likely why none of the tools are working for you. Give this a try and see if you have any luck. Brian From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Aug 27 22:53:29 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2014 22:53:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] bluray disc burning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is unfortunate. We added a BR burner to our server last year but have yet to utilize it. On Aug 27, 2014, at 22:32, Brian Wall wrote: > On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 10:08 PM, o1bigtenor wrote: >> Greetings >> >> Running Debian Jessie here in the wilds (seriously country although my wife >> and I get to the Twin Cities a number of times a year for some culture (!) >> ). Tried to use k3b to burn a bluray disc to back up my RAID 10 array. > > > A quick Google search turned up this article: > http://allgood38.io/burn-bluray-data-disks-on-linux-minimize-coasters.html > > It appears that burning BluRay is error prone, hence a step-by-step > guide with some very specific steps. It is very clear that cdrtools > must be built from source, not using the Debian packages. That is > likely why none of the tools are working for you. > > Give this a try and see if you have any luck. > > Brian > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sethmiller.sm at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 06:31:46 2014 From: sethmiller.sm at gmail.com (Seth Miller) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 06:31:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] NORLUG's August Meeting - Emacs! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree with Kristopher. This is a subject I definitely have interest in but getting approval from my "Events Coordinator" for an extra 2 hours on the road on a weeknight is almost impossible. If you guys decide to throw up a web conference for meetings like this, I'd definitely tune in. Seth Miller On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Kristopher Browne wrote: > I wish I could go, I cannot help but to pontificate on Emacs, but thats a > trip too far for a weeknight. > -- > Kristopher Browne > > From: Marc Thomas > Reply: TCLUG Mailing List > > > Date: August 27, 2014 at 9:29:21 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > > > Subject: [tclug-list] NORLUG's August Meeting - Emacs! > > Hey TCLUG! > > A few months ago, NORLUG hosted a great talk on Vim. Several people from > the cities came down to check us out, learn about vim, and contribute their > own knowledge and experiences! This month, NORLUG would like to extend the > invitation again as we talk about the other side of the coin. Michael > Domingues, a Linux Systems Administrator at St. Olaf College, will be > talking about GNU Emacs, an extensible, customizable text editor. > > We will be meeting at the SPUR Coworking Space > > Tomorrow, August 28th at 7:00 p.m. Following the meeting, we will be > heading over to a local pizza place for food and socializing! > > Announcement : G+ > Event > > > > > > -- > Website : Google+ > : Twitter > : GitHub > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That is > likely why none of the tools are working for you. > > Give this a try and see if you have any luck. > I would be quite curious to find out what search term you used to find this url - - please? Had tried about 6 different phrases and just couldn't seem to find anything useful. Also sort of pathetic that the 'official packages' don't work and one needs to build from source, which is exactly what Debian preaches NOT to do - - - hmmmmmmmmmm - - - maybe its also related to the documentation issues plaguing most software. I'll give this a whirl hopefully tonight. Thanking for your assistance. Darald -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o1bigtenor at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 07:05:41 2014 From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 07:05:41 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] NORLUG's August Meeting - Emacs! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greetings I just joined TCLUG but I would really appreciate access to a webinar on Vim. Any ideas on how to get this to happen. As I'm a country kind (read really slow internet connection) a downloadable rather than streaming option would be preferable. (Didn't snip the previous postings much because I thought the thread thought was much clearer with a greater attachment.) Darald On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 6:31 AM, Seth Miller wrote: > I agree with Kristopher. This is a subject I definitely have interest in > but getting approval from my "Events Coordinator" for an extra 2 hours on > the road on a weeknight is almost impossible. > > If you guys decide to throw up a web conference for meetings like this, > I'd definitely tune in. > > Seth Miller > > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Kristopher Browne > wrote: > >> I wish I could go, I cannot help but to pontificate on Emacs, but thats a >> trip too far for a weeknight. >> -- >> Kristopher Browne >> >> From: Marc Thomas >> Reply: TCLUG Mailing List > >> >> Date: August 27, 2014 at 9:29:21 AM >> To: TCLUG Mailing List > >> >> Subject: [tclug-list] NORLUG's August Meeting - Emacs! >> >> Hey TCLUG! >> >> A few months ago, NORLUG hosted a great talk on Vim. Several people from >> the cities came down to check us out, learn about vim, and contribute their >> own knowledge and experiences! This month, NORLUG would like to extend the >> invitation again as we talk about the other side of the coin. Michael >> Domingues, a Linux Systems Administrator at St. Olaf College, will be >> talking about GNU Emacs, an extensible, customizable text editor. >> >> We will be meeting at the SPUR Coworking Space >> >> Tomorrow, August 28th at 7:00 p.m. Following the meeting, we will be >> heading over to a local pizza place for food and socializing! >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jazzyflute at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 08:17:30 2014 From: jazzyflute at gmail.com (Marc Thomas) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:12:30 -0005 Subject: [tclug-list] NORLUG's August Meeting - Emacs! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1409231850.1426.0@smtp.gmail.com> > If you guys decide to throw up a web conference for meetings like > this, I'd definitely tune in. At this time, we aren't live streaming or recording our talks. If there is an interest in doing this though, it's something that we can invest in (hardware) for future talks! > I just joined TCLUG but I would really appreciate access to a webinar > on Vim. A good friend of mine out in Michigan did a few screen casts that go into some of VIM's features. You can find his stuff on at [http://lococast.net/archives/category/screencast]. They are a few years old but all still very relavent. On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 7:05 AM, o1bigtenor wrote: > Greetings > > I just joined TCLUG but I would really appreciate access to a webinar > on Vim. > > Any ideas on how to get this to happen. > > As I'm a country kind (read really slow internet connection) a > downloadable rather > than streaming option would be preferable. > > (Didn't snip the previous postings much because I thought the thread > thought was much clearer > with a greater attachment.) > > Darald > > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 6:31 AM, Seth Miller > wrote: >> I agree with Kristopher. This is a subject I definitely have >> interest in but getting approval from my "Events Coordinator" for an >> extra 2 hours on the road on a weeknight is almost impossible. >> >> If you guys decide to throw up a web conference for meetings like >> this, I'd definitely tune in. >> >> Seth Miller >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Kristopher Browne >> wrote: >>> I wish I could go, I cannot help but to pontificate on Emacs, but >>> thats a trip too far for a weeknight. >>> -- >>> Kristopher Browne >>> >>> From: Marc Thomas >>> Reply: TCLUG Mailing List > >>> Date: August 27, 2014 at 9:29:21 AM >>> To: TCLUG Mailing List > >>> Subject: [tclug-list] NORLUG's August Meeting - Emacs! >>> >>>> Hey TCLUG! >>>> A few months ago, NORLUG hosted a great talk on Vim. Several >>>> people from the cities came down to check us out, learn about vim, >>>> and contribute their own knowledge and experiences! This month, >>>> NORLUG would like to extend the invitation again as we talk about >>>> the other side of the coin. Michael Domingues, a Linux Systems >>>> Administrator at St. Olaf College, will be talking about GNU >>>> Emacs, an extensible, customizable text editor. >>>> >>>> We will be meeting at the SPUR Coworking Space Tomorrow, August >>>> 28th at 7:00 p.m. Following the meeting, we will be heading over >>>> to a local pizza place for food and socializing! >>>> >>>> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o1bigtenor at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 13:19:34 2014 From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:19:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] NORLUG's August Meeting - Emacs! In-Reply-To: <1409231850.1426.0@smtp.gmail.com> References: <1409231850.1426.0@smtp.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Marc Thomas wrote: > If you guys decide to throw up a web conference for meetings like this, > I'd definitely tune in. > > > At this time, we aren't live streaming or recording our talks. If there is > an interest in doing this though, it's something that we can invest in > (hardware) for future talks! > > I just joined TCLUG but I would really appreciate access to a webinar on > Vim. > > > A good friend of mine out in Michigan did a few screen casts that go into > some of VIM's features. You can find his stuff on at [ > http://lococast.net/archives/category/screencast]. They are a few years > old but all still very relavent. > Just starting to use Vim somewhat more than just for editing computer operating files so I can use all the help I can get. Regards Darald -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Josh From sethmiller.sm at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 16:55:34 2014 From: sethmiller.sm at gmail.com (Seth Miller) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:55:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hard drive recovery in Minneapolis area In-Reply-To: <20140828163002.Horde.8xnTSCwxcg66rVjbbt3Opg6@trutwins.homeip.net> References: <20140828163002.Horde.8xnTSCwxcg66rVjbbt3Opg6@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: Josh, If you don't mind exposing the data to some of us geeks, we could at least give it shot and it wouldn't cost you anything. You would just have to use some "dd" foo to create an image and find a place to put it to give us access. Seth Miller On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 4:30 PM, wrote: > Can anyone recommend a hard drive recovery service in MSP? I had a RAID 1 > mirror with both drives go bad nearly simultaneously with power outages. > This is for personal use so don't have an account to expense it to. :) > > I have been able to recover some of the data myself but I think I need the > help of professionals... > > Josh > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 18:23:08 2014 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:23:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hard drive recovery in Minneapolis area In-Reply-To: <20140828163002.Horde.8xnTSCwxcg66rVjbbt3Opg6@trutwins.homeip.net> References: <20140828163002.Horde.8xnTSCwxcg66rVjbbt3Opg6@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <53FFB9DC.6060601@gmail.com> On 8/28/2014 4:30 PM, josh at trutwins.homeip.net wrote: > Can anyone recommend a hard drive recovery service in MSP? I had a RAID > 1 mirror with both drives go bad nearly simultaneously with power > outages. This is for personal use so don't have an account to expense > it to. :) > > I have been able to recover some of the data myself but I think I need > the help of professionals... > The best I have ever used is http://www.krollontrack.com/ They are expensive, but worth it. From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 18:36:05 2014 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:36:05 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hard drive recovery in Minneapolis area In-Reply-To: <53FFB9DC.6060601@gmail.com> References: <20140828163002.Horde.8xnTSCwxcg66rVjbbt3Opg6@trutwins.homeip.net> <53FFB9DC.6060601@gmail.com> Message-ID: KO is extremely expensive. Many small shops ship to them or elsewhere with a high price tag. +1 on software recovery first. Unless there is physical damage to the platters, that's the way to go. ddrescue or aff/e01 image (ftkimager, libewf) can make a number of attempts to grab each sector. testdisk is free for non-commercial use and does file carving and partition rebuilding. -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 6:23 PM, B-o-B De Mars wrote: > On 8/28/2014 4:30 PM, josh at trutwins.homeip.net wrote: >> >> Can anyone recommend a hard drive recovery service in MSP? I had a RAID >> 1 mirror with both drives go bad nearly simultaneously with power >> outages. This is for personal use so don't have an account to expense >> it to. :) >> >> I have been able to recover some of the data myself but I think I need >> the help of professionals... >> > > The best I have ever used is http://www.krollontrack.com/ > > They are expensive, but worth it. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kc0iog at gmail.com Thu Aug 28 18:40:56 2014 From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:40:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] bluray disc burning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 6:48 AM, o1bigtenor wrote: > > I would be quite curious to find out what search term you used to find this > url - - please? Search for 'burn bluray debian'. Fourth link down, 'minimize coasters'. > Also sort of pathetic that the 'official packages' don't work and one needs > to build from source, > which is exactly what Debian preaches NOT to do - - - hmmmmmmmmmm - - - > maybe > its also related to the documentation issues plaguing most software. It's not just a Debian thing. It's a licensing issue with certain parts of the code. Debian will only include code that conforms to certain licenses in their 'main' branch. 'contrib' and 'nonfree' are where all the not-so-free goodies live. It is possible there is a contrib version of the real cdrtools package, I haven't dug in to find out. This issue has existed for some time in many distros. Back when I started using linux, Redhat shipped with the 'pico' text editor. 'pico' has seemingly fallen off the planet since, because the major distros had issues with the licensing from WU. Hence the GPL friendly 'nano' was born and is included in just about every distro. > I'll give this a whirl hopefully tonight. Good luck. Hopefully in the future BR burning will become a little more simple. Brian From chrome at real-time.com Fri Aug 29 06:25:58 2014 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 07:25:58 -0400 Subject: [tclug-list] Hard drive recovery in Minneapolis area In-Reply-To: <20140828163002.Horde.8xnTSCwxcg66rVjbbt3Opg6@trutwins.homeip.net> References: <20140828163002.Horde.8xnTSCwxcg66rVjbbt3Opg6@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <20140829112558.GB33360@real-time.com> On 08/28 04:30 , josh at trutwins.homeip.net wrote: > Can anyone recommend a hard drive recovery service in MSP? I had a > RAID 1 mirror with both drives go bad nearly simultaneously with > power outages. This is for personal use so don't have an account to > expense it to. :) Never used them, but I'm under the impression they have a good reputation: http://www.krollontrack.com/company/contact-us/ -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From n0nas at amsat.org Fri Aug 29 07:26:33 2014 From: n0nas at amsat.org (Doug Reed) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 07:26:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hard drive recovery in Minneapolis area Message-ID: Hi Josh. If you want another software option to try, you might try Spinrite from www.grc.com. If you are fighting with a damaged platter surface which is weak or almost unreadable, Spinrite has a good chance of recovering the data. If the data was actually over written with the wrong data, you're out of luck. I've used Spinrite a few times on drives that became weak and difficult to boot. It sometimes takes a long time to recover a bad sector, but I usually have more time than money. Since it is trying to read and write the original drive, you may want to do the dd first, just so you've got the corrupt copy to work with. Spinrite boots and runs from FreeDOS to do its job. If your drive is marginal for hardware, Spinrite might drive it over the edge. If your data is critical and the drive has physical damage, I'd try to arrange it so you don't have to shut off the computer from the time you start Spinrite, to the time you reboot from a recovery disk and copy your data to a blank USB drive you just plugged in.... If you go to the web site they do have a good write-up of what Spinrite is doing. It doesn't know or care what the data is, it basically reads until it gets a good checksum and writes the data back to the drive to refresh the surface. If the data read back is still bad, it has some capability of moving the data to a good sector using the drive's spare cylinders. I'd try this $100 solution before I tried the $5000 solution. Good luck! Doug Reed, N St Paul. From kenlynes at usa.net Fri Aug 29 09:08:34 2014 From: kenlynes at usa.net (Kenneth Lynes) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 09:08:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] BlueRay disk burning Message-ID: <919sHCoHI0608S07.1409321314@web07.cms.usa.net> In response to the difficulty of burning disks on linux, I found a version of Nerolinux and got a license for using it from Nero. The download was still available and it works fine so far burning dual layer dvd disks. I have only recently obtained a bluray burner and do not know if it will burn those yet, but I will try soon. I used the Nero version of burning software because I was familiar with it. I agree it is one of the main complaints I have with using linux OS that I can do these things easier on windows os. This is not a good thing to show new users. Most just want to do the usual things on linux they did on windows but not have to deal with all the stuff that tended to mess up their normal use such as the malware etc. I dont think most of the linux users would mind paying a small fee to use the OS if it would help get things like burning bluray disks resolved. No one wants to do all that work for nothing. Say a $10 fee to use a distro and get all the updates and free software compared to the cheapest version of windows 7 which is useful at all costing about $100 and virtually no free software to use on the OS. Until something like this happens and users can find an easy painless way to migrate to linux it will continue to be hard to convince someone it is in their best interest to do so. Ken ------ Original Message ------ Received: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 06:26:47 AM CDT From: tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: [Spam] tclug-list Digest, Vol 116, Issue 20 > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tclug-list-owner at mn-linux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tclug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: NORLUG's August Meeting - Emacs! (o1bigtenor) > 2. Hard drive recovery in Minneapolis area (josh at trutwins.homeip.net) > 3. Re: Hard drive recovery in Minneapolis area (Seth Miller) > 4. Re: Hard drive recovery in Minneapolis area (B-o-B De Mars) > 5. Re: Hard drive recovery in Minneapolis area > (Jeremy MountainJohnson) > 6. Re: bluray disc burning (Brian Wall) > 7. Re: Hard drive recovery in Minneapolis area > (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:19:34 -0500 > From: o1bigtenor > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] NORLUG's August Meeting - Emacs! > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 8:17 AM, Marc Thomas wrote: > > > If you guys decide to throw up a web conference for meetings like this, > > I'd definitely tune in. > > > > > > At this time, we aren't live streaming or recording our talks. If there is > > an interest in doing this though, it's something that we can invest in > > (hardware) for future talks! > > > > I just joined TCLUG but I would really appreciate access to a webinar on > > Vim. > > > > > > A good friend of mine out in Michigan did a few screen casts that go into > > some of VIM's features. You can find his stuff on at [ > > http://lococast.net/archives/category/screencast]. They are a few years > > old but all still very relavent. > > > > Just starting to use Vim somewhat more than just for editing computer > operating files so I can use all the help I can get. > > Regards > > Darald > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:30:02 -0500 > From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: [tclug-list] Hard drive recovery in Minneapolis area > Message-ID: > <20140828163002.Horde.8xnTSCwxcg66rVjbbt3Opg6 at trutwins.homeip.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; DelSp=Yes > > Can anyone recommend a hard drive recovery service in MSP? I had a > RAID 1 mirror with both drives go bad nearly simultaneously with power > outages. This is for personal use so don't have an account to expense > it to. :) > > I have been able to recover some of the data myself but I think I need > the help of professionals... > > Josh > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:55:34 -0500 > From: Seth Miller > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Hard drive recovery in Minneapolis area > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Josh, > > If you don't mind exposing the data to some of us geeks, we could at least > give it shot and it wouldn't cost you anything. You would just have to use > some "dd" foo to create an image and find a place to put it to give us > access. > > Seth Miller > > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 4:30 PM, wrote: > > > Can anyone recommend a hard drive recovery service in MSP? I had a RAID 1 > > mirror with both drives go bad nearly simultaneously with power outages. > > This is for personal use so don't have an account to expense it to. :) > > > > I have been able to recover some of the data myself but I think I need the > > help of professionals... > > > > Josh > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:23:08 -0500 > From: B-o-B De Mars > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Hard drive recovery in Minneapolis area > Message-ID: <53FFB9DC.6060601 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > On 8/28/2014 4:30 PM, josh at trutwins.homeip.net wrote: > > Can anyone recommend a hard drive recovery service in MSP? I had a RAID > > 1 mirror with both drives go bad nearly simultaneously with power > > outages. This is for personal use so don't have an account to expense > > it to. :) > > > > I have been able to recover some of the data myself but I think I need > > the help of professionals... > > > > The best I have ever used is http://www.krollontrack.com/ > > They are expensive, but worth it. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:36:05 -0500 > From: Jeremy MountainJohnson > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Hard drive recovery in Minneapolis area > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > KO is extremely expensive. Many small shops ship to them or elsewhere > with a high price tag. > > +1 on software recovery first. Unless there is physical damage to the > platters, that's the way to go. ddrescue or aff/e01 image (ftkimager, > libewf) can make a number of attempts to grab each sector. testdisk is > free for non-commercial use and does file carving and partition > rebuilding. > -- > Jeremy MountainJohnson > Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com > > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 6:23 PM, B-o-B De Mars wrote: > > On 8/28/2014 4:30 PM, josh at trutwins.homeip.net wrote: > >> > >> Can anyone recommend a hard drive recovery service in MSP? I had a RAID > >> 1 mirror with both drives go bad nearly simultaneously with power > >> outages. This is for personal use so don't have an account to expense > >> it to. :) > >> > >> I have been able to recover some of the data myself but I think I need > >> the help of professionals... > >> > > > > The best I have ever used is http://www.krollontrack.com/ > > > > They are expensive, but worth it. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:40:56 -0500 > From: Brian Wall > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] bluray disc burning > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 6:48 AM, o1bigtenor wrote: > > > > I would be quite curious to find out what search term you used to find this > > url - - please? > > Search for 'burn bluray debian'. Fourth link down, 'minimize coasters'. > > > Also sort of pathetic that the 'official packages' don't work and one needs > > to build from source, > > which is exactly what Debian preaches NOT to do - - - hmmmmmmmmmm - - - > > maybe > > its also related to the documentation issues plaguing most software. > > It's not just a Debian thing. It's a licensing issue with certain > parts of the code. Debian will only include code that conforms to > certain licenses in their 'main' branch. 'contrib' and 'nonfree' are > where all the not-so-free goodies live. It is possible there is a > contrib version of the real cdrtools package, I haven't dug in to find > out. This issue has existed for some time in many distros. Back when > I started using linux, Redhat shipped with the 'pico' text editor. > 'pico' has seemingly fallen off the planet since, because the major > distros had issues with the licensing from WU. Hence the GPL friendly > 'nano' was born and is included in just about every distro. > > > I'll give this a whirl hopefully tonight. > > Good luck. Hopefully in the future BR burning will become a little more simple. > > Brian > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 07:25:58 -0400 > From: Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Hard drive recovery in Minneapolis area > Message-ID: <20140829112558.GB33360 at real-time.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On 08/28 04:30 , josh at trutwins.homeip.net wrote: > > Can anyone recommend a hard drive recovery service in MSP? I had a > > RAID 1 mirror with both drives go bad nearly simultaneously with > > power outages. This is for personal use so don't have an account to > > expense it to. :) > > Never used them, but I'm under the impression they have a good reputation: > http://www.krollontrack.com/company/contact-us/ > > -- > Carl Soderstrom > Systems Administrator > Real-Time Enterprises > www.real-time.com > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 116, Issue 20 > ******************************************* From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com Fri Aug 29 09:49:58 2014 From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 09:49:58 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] BluRay disk burning Message-ID: I'm in the same boat, still haven't tried to burn anything yet with the BL burner and also have a license for Nero. Nero says the drive supports BL re/write on the drive (in addition to their web site claiming support), so I'm hopeful, however nero linux hasn't updated in some time. I have to run deprecated hal with it but it works fine for burning CDs and DVDs. In time support will get improved upon greatly with the necessary libraries to burn BLs. This is usually the case with Linux, we've gotten some great hardware wins in recent years (first native USB3 kernel support), but software and functionality on the workstation level is always behind Windows and even OS X. Although I somewhat agree with you on the financial support, many distros that have focused for-profit on the consumer and workstation markets (not enterprise) typically only last so long before not making enough cash flow to sustain themselves. So, people want their cake, but they often don't want to pay for it. FYI, it is advisable not to reply to a digest on this mailing list. -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Kenneth Lynes wrote: > In response to the difficulty of burning disks on linux, I found a version of > Nerolinux and got a license for using it from Nero. The download was still > available and it works fine so far burning dual layer dvd disks. I have only > recently obtained a bluray burner and do not know if it will burn those yet, > but I will try soon. > I used the Nero version of burning software because I was familiar with it. > I agree it is one of the main complaints I have with using linux OS that I can > do these things easier on windows os. This is not a good thing to show new > users. Most just want to do the usual things on linux they did on windows but > not have to deal with all the stuff that tended to mess up their normal use > such as the malware etc. > I dont think most of the linux users would mind paying a small fee to use the > OS if it would help get things like burning bluray disks resolved. No one > wants to do all that work for nothing. Say a $10 fee to use a distro and get > all the updates and free software compared to the cheapest version of windows > 7 which is useful at all costing about $100 and virtually no free software to > use on the OS. > Until something like this happens and users can find an easy painless way to > migrate to linux it will continue to be hard to convince someone it is in > their best interest to do so. > Ken From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Fri Aug 29 10:08:56 2014 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 10:08:56 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] centurylink disavows google? Message-ID: centurylink can't seem to find google this morning. no trouble finding bing. interesting. From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Fri Aug 29 10:12:17 2014 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 10:12:17 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] NORLUG's August Meeting - Emacs! Message-ID: Darald writes: > Just starting to use Vim somewhat more than just for editing computeroperating files > so I can use all the help I can get. About 20 years ago I spent quite a bit of time learning emacs. It has served me well, but in retrospect I wish I had spent the time learning vi. I use both today, but am not great with either of them. I'd rather be stronger with Vim and give up my emacs knowledge, but don't know if that will happen. Are you interested in C++? I have a C++ related offer on my about page. -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust. http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hah, straight to the DNS source :-) -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 10:27 AM, David Wagle wrote: > change your nameserver to 8.8.8.8 > > you'll have no trouble finding google ever again. > > > On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 10:08 AM, gregrwm wrote: >> >> centurylink can't seem to find google this morning. no trouble >> finding bing. interesting. >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Fri Aug 29 10:33:03 2014 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 10:33:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] centurylink disavows google? Message-ID: > change your nameserver to 8.8.8.8 > you'll have no trouble finding google ever again. nice idea but it seems to be a connectivity issue, 8.8.8.8 can't even be reached, so trying to use it for nameservice just puts dns out of reach also. From ryanjcole at me.com Fri Aug 29 10:34:50 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 10:34:50 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] centurylink disavows google? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54009D9A.4050804@me.com> Have you tried rebooting your DSL modem? On 8/29/2014 10:33 AM, gregrwm wrote: >> change your nameserver to 8.8.8.8 >> you'll have no trouble finding google ever again. > nice idea but it seems to be a connectivity issue, 8.8.8.8 can't even > be reached, so trying to use it for nameservice just puts dns out of > reach also. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Fri Aug 29 10:39:38 2014 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 10:39:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] centurylink disavows google? Message-ID: > Have you tried rebooting your DSL modem? dns works. bing works. no trouble reaching google via iphouse, just not directly. From david.wagle at gmail.com Fri Aug 29 10:51:27 2014 From: david.wagle at gmail.com (David Wagle) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 10:51:27 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] centurylink disavows google? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: then it's time to call up centurylink and inform them that they aren't providing you the service you're paying for. On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 10:39 AM, gregrwm wrote: > > Have you tried rebooting your DSL modem? > > dns works. bing works. no trouble reaching google via iphouse, just > not directly. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lkateley at kateley.com Fri Aug 29 11:09:03 2014 From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 11:09:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] centurylink disavows google? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5400A59F.6000506@kateley.com> I have centurylink and can hit google no problem lk On 8/29/14, 10:51 AM, David Wagle wrote: > then it's time to call up centurylink and inform them that they aren't > providing you the service you're paying for. > > > On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 10:39 AM, gregrwm > wrote: > > > Have you tried rebooting your DSL modem? > > dns works. bing works. no trouble reaching google via iphouse, just > not directly. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <5400A61D.1000207@kateley.com> Hey, Is there anyone on this list who can point in the right direction to help to get my kid's xbox to hit the Madden 15 servers? The errors and instructions don't work... I know this is a linux list, but was hoping :) Linda From wdtj at yahoo.com Fri Aug 29 11:18:23 2014 From: wdtj at yahoo.com (Wayne Johnson) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 09:18:23 -0700 Subject: [tclug-list] centurylink disavows google? In-Reply-To: <5400986B.4010004@me.com> References: <5400986B.4010004@me.com> Message-ID: <1409329103.34828.YahooMailNeo@web142604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> There are also viruses that muck with your DNS that can cause this exact symptom. That's assuming your using Windows. --- Wayne Johnson, | There are two kinds of people: Those 3943 Penn Ave. N. | who say to God, "Thy will be done," Minneapolis, MN 55412-1908 | and those to whom God says, "All right, (612) 522-7003 | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis ________________________________ From: Ryan Coleman To: TCLUG Mailing List Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [tclug-list] centurylink disavows google? Can you ping 8.8.8.8? If you can ping the IP I suspect it's a DNS failure, not anything more than that. On 8/29/2014 10:08 AM, gregrwm wrote: > centurylink can't seem to find google this morning. no trouble > finding bing. interesting. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 10:33 AM, gregrwm wrote: > > change your nameserver to 8.8.8.8 > > you'll have no trouble finding google ever again. > > nice idea but it seems to be a connectivity issue, 8.8.8.8 can't even > be reached, so trying to use it for nameservice just puts dns out of > reach also. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.wagle at gmail.com Fri Aug 29 11:29:25 2014 From: david.wagle at gmail.com (David Wagle) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 11:29:25 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] centurylink disavows google? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just for fun I looked up century link's primary dns address, pointed nslookup to it as the server, and I was able to resolve google.com just fine. It seems to me that it would be extremely odd for a company to block a route to a destination rather than simply block it from dns. So I am slightly suspicious that the culprit is century link here. On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 11:26 AM, David Wagle wrote: > What do you mean by "can't even be reached?" > > Is it not responding to a ping? Or are you trying to go there in a > browser? It won't show up in a browser as it's not a web server, it is a > public nameserver. > > > On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 10:33 AM, gregrwm wrote: > >> > change your nameserver to 8.8.8.8 >> > you'll have no trouble finding google ever again. >> >> nice idea but it seems to be a connectivity issue, 8.8.8.8 can't even >> be reached, so trying to use it for nameservice just puts dns out of >> reach also. >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Next I read the following: http://allgood38.io/burn-bluray-data-disks-on-linux-minimize-coasters.html It seemed that I should be able to achieve success but I kept running into road blocks (reading the following) First check which block device the image is attached to: > sudo losetup -a/dev/loop0: [0019]:7 (/mypath/MYBLURAY-DISC.udf) Then use the mount command as you normally would. You don't actually need the -o loop mount option, since it has already been attached to a loop device with the losetup command. > sudo mount /dev/loop0 /mnt Now you write the files/folders you want to the mounted directory. The great thing about this is the fixed size of the image, you won't accidentally make it too large to be burned to disc. I could see the disc name I had set up earlier using this: By default, mkudffs will name the image "LinuxUDF" on mount, to change this, add the additional argument: > mkudffs --vid="My Label" MYBLURAY-DISC.udf yet I couldn't find a way to access the disc. Tried mounting the disc manually (I have to mount my RAID10 array manually every time I reboot) yet I just couldn't get access. Got sort of frustrating. One suggestion from the responses to my question on the LUGs was to try to use cdrtools. That was a very interesting peek behind the scenes at the machinations that occur at Linux distributions. To make things even more challenging I could not download the tools directly from cdrecord.org - - - so I checked at sourceforge.net and was able to find the software in question. Then the author of cdrecord states that it is necessary to use gmake to install the software giving reasons which I could understand but did not really know what they meant or their implications (sorry no programmer here!!). It seemed to be that one should return again to using k3b to burn the bluray discs but still no joy!! Another suggestion from responders from the LUGs was that growisofs was the cli program of choice for burning. Downloaded the newest version I could find of that and installed it using the dpkg -i and everything seemed OK. Well - - - how do I use it? Read the man page - - - it read like sanskrit (I'm western european background and can fuddle my way through multiple languages but NOT that one! grin). Tried finding help files with example - - no luck. Still no joy, felt like I was just chasing my own tail and still wasn't able to burn anything to the bluray disc! Returned to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CdDvd/Burning but my file at k3b:setup:advanced:set up external programs had a lot more programs listed. Went back to the FAQ area at cdrecord.org and read through it a few more times. When I realized that I would have to change some of the files that k3b was using I got a little concerned. (In the past I have managed to pooch my system so that I actually had to do a re-install a real no joy event!!) so reading files (can't find exactly which ones I was looking at - - - sorry) I determined that the files in these three areas were now deprecated by my installing the files from cdrecord. The files in question: /usr/bin/wodim /usr/bin/genisoimage /usr/bin/readom so then I did the following (I wanted a way back if I were headed down the wrong alley!!) : made new directories, adding the suffix .old to each and then moved the files using mv each to its respective container. # mkdir wodim.old # mkdir genisoimage.old readom.old # mv /usr/bin/wodim /usr/bin/wodim.old # mv /usr/bin/genisoimage /usr/bin/genisoimage.old # mv /usr/bin/readom /usr/bin/readom.old now I went to k3b and the files in question were not visible. Next I needed to go into the k3b setup. k3bsetup:advanced: you must have checked both burnfree and show advanced GUI elements it is also important when you now go to burn your selected files that you so to the area that has 4 tabs (writing, image, filesystem, misc) there go to the misc tab where you will find the Multi session mode where again you must choose No multisession (gave error message when auto was chosen). I also chose the speed option x2 on the main page and the verify check box on the writing tab (my habit). At this point I was able to burn a bluray disc!!! I checked the disc after burning and was able to access a few files (perhaps I should have checked more but had a second one to do and other things that must need doing today as well so a few examples would have to suffice!). Quest achieved!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Most just want to do the usual things on linux they did on windows > but > not have to deal with all the stuff that tended to mess up their normal use > such as the malware etc. > I dont think most of the linux users would mind paying a small fee to use > the > OS if it would help get things like burning bluray disks resolved. No one > wants to do all that work for nothing. Say a $10 fee to use a distro and > get > all the updates and free software compared to the cheapest version of > windows > 7 which is useful at all costing about $100 and virtually no free software > to > use on the OS. > Until something like this happens and users can find an easy painless way > to > migrate to linux it will continue to be hard to convince someone it is in > their best interest to do so. > Ken > Greetings Ken You can save yourself your $10. I just posted a howto on the list for burning bluray discs. Its not straight forward but it works! (If I can get it working most anyone else should be able to make it too!!) Thanks for those with suggestions! Hope you find my response useful. Darald -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Fri Aug 29 12:51:14 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 12:51:14 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Rack Mounting Screws in TC Message-ID: <5400BD92.4090907@me.com> Does anyone here have a recommendation on a local place to get Rack Mount screws/clip nuts? My new cabinet is an IBM and I've been putting off this purchase for too long - I would like to rack my gear this weekend while the weather is decent. This is what I'm finding online: http://www.amazon.com/10-32-Mounting-Screws-Washers-Carton/dp/B005EH4J4W%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q%26tag%3Dduckduckgo-d-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB005EH4J4W From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri Aug 29 12:53:52 2014 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 12:53:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Rack Mounting Screws in TC In-Reply-To: <5400BD92.4090907@me.com> References: <5400BD92.4090907@me.com> Message-ID: Screws? Pfft. Just use chopsticks and chewing gum like the PROS do! On Fri, 29 Aug 2014, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Does anyone here have a recommendation on a local place to get Rack Mount > screws/clip nuts? My new cabinet is an IBM and I've been putting off this > purchase for too long - I would like to rack my gear this weekend while the > weather is decent. > > This is what I'm finding online: > http://www.amazon.com/10-32-Mounting-Screws-Washers-Carton/dp/B005EH4J4W%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q%26tag%3Dduckduckgo-d-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB005EH4J4W > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ryanjcole at me.com Fri Aug 29 12:55:54 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 12:55:54 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Rack Mounting Screws in TC In-Reply-To: References: <5400BD92.4090907@me.com> Message-ID: <5400BEAA.5020805@me.com> Like this? On 8/29/2014 12:53 PM, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote: > Screws? Pfft. Just use chopsticks and chewing gum like the PROS do! > > On Fri, 29 Aug 2014, Ryan Coleman wrote: > >> Does anyone here have a recommendation on a local place to get Rack >> Mount screws/clip nuts? My new cabinet is an IBM and I've been >> putting off this purchase for too long - I would like to rack my gear >> this weekend while the weather is decent. >> >> This is what I'm finding online: >> http://www.amazon.com/10-32-Mounting-Screws-Washers-Carton/dp/B005EH4J4W%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q%26tag%3Dduckduckgo-d-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB005EH4J4W >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My new cabinet is an IBM and I've been putting off this > purchase for too long - I would like to rack my gear this weekend while the > weather is decent. > > This is what I'm finding online: > http://www.amazon.com/10-32-Mounting-Screws-Washers-Carton/dp/B005EH4J4W%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q%26tag%3Dduckduckgo-d-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB005EH4J4W > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri Aug 29 13:02:24 2014 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:02:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Rack Mounting Screws in TC In-Reply-To: <5400BEAA.5020805@me.com> References: <5400BD92.4090907@me.com> <5400BEAA.5020805@me.com> Message-ID: No, that's EVEN BETTER. It seems to be completely self-sustaining and held up by it's own weight! So basically whenever a cable goes bad, you don't remove it, you just add another one in! Genius! On Fri, 29 Aug 2014, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Like this? > > On 8/29/2014 12:53 PM, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote: >> Screws? Pfft. Just use chopsticks and chewing gum like the PROS do! >> >> On Fri, 29 Aug 2014, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> >>> Does anyone here have a recommendation on a local place to get Rack Mount >>> screws/clip nuts? My new cabinet is an IBM and I've been putting off this >>> purchase for too long - I would like to rack my gear this weekend while >>> the weather is decent. >>> >>> This is what I'm finding online: >>> http://www.amazon.com/10-32-Mounting-Screws-Washers-Carton/dp/B005EH4J4W%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q%26tag%3Dduckduckgo-d-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB005EH4J4W >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From ryanjcole at me.com Fri Aug 29 13:05:43 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:05:43 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Rack Mounting Screws in TC In-Reply-To: References: <5400BD92.4090907@me.com> Message-ID: <5400C0F7.5000104@me.com> Thanks Jeremy. I've emailed them - I'll call later this afternoon if I don't hear back. Now getting from Burnsville to Plymouth before 5pm is going to be a challenge. On 8/29/2014 1:01 PM, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote: > Perhaps worth a call to ServerWorls in Plymouth? > -- > Jeremy MountainJohnson > Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com > > > On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> Does anyone here have a recommendation on a local place to get Rack Mount >> screws/clip nuts? My new cabinet is an IBM and I've been putting off this >> purchase for too long - I would like to rack my gear this weekend while the >> weather is decent. >> >> This is what I'm finding online: >> http://www.amazon.com/10-32-Mounting-Screws-Washers-Carton/dp/B005EH4J4W%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q%26tag%3Dduckduckgo-d-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIN%3DB005EH4J4W >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Fri Aug 29 15:40:16 2014 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 15:40:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] centurylink disavows google? Message-ID: > > What do you mean by "can't even be reached?" >> > all better now. solution: go have a life, come back, and it's working again. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com Fri Aug 29 18:29:30 2014 From: rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com (rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 18:29:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Chromecast with Mint 17? Message-ID: <54010CDA.1090305@gmail.com> Has anyone setup Google Chromecast with Mint 17? Manual setup doesn't seem to recognize it. I receive "We can't seem to connect to your Chromecast." I do see my Chromecast7084 when I scan networks and I have my television set to its HDMI port and the TV screen give the "set me up" message. I've read there might be an iptables problem, but /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_local_port_range shows 32768 61000, which I believe is necessary to use Chromecast. This is frustrating as Linux isn't sanctioned with Chromecast but I've read it should work. It seems it should be quite easy but is proving to be quite frustrating. From jpschewe at mtu.net Fri Aug 29 20:04:06 2014 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 20:04:06 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Chromecast with Mint 17? In-Reply-To: <54010CDA.1090305@gmail.com> References: <54010CDA.1090305@gmail.com> Message-ID: I haven't tried with Mint 17, but have set it up with Ubuntu without problems. Have you tried taking down your firewall temporarily to set it up? I am pretty sure I did my setup inside the Chrome browser as well. On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 6:29 PM, wrote: > > Has anyone setup Google Chromecast with Mint 17? Manual setup doesn't > seem to recognize it. I receive "We can't seem to connect to your > Chromecast." > > I do see my Chromecast7084 when I scan networks and I have my television > set to its HDMI port and the TV screen give the "set me up" message. > > I've read there might be an iptables problem, but > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_local_port_range shows 32768 61000, which I believe > is necessary to use Chromecast. > > This is frustrating as Linux isn't sanctioned with Chromecast but I've > read it should work. It seems it should be quite easy but is proving to be > quite frustrating. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- http://mtu.net/~jpschewe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Aug 29, 2014, at 21:12, Samael Anon wrote: > I am working on a website for someone and my hard drive went bad. using a live version of Ubuntu but have to reinstall gimp, etc. anyone have an old laptop sata drive sitting around? > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com Fri Aug 29 22:09:38 2014 From: rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com (rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 22:09:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Chromecast with Mint 17? In-Reply-To: References: <54010CDA.1090305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54014072.5000409@gmail.com> On 08/29/2014 08:04 PM, Jon Schewe wrote: > I haven't tried with Mint 17, but have set it up with Ubuntu without > problems. Have you tried taking down your firewall temporarily to set > it up? I am pretty sure I did my setup inside the Chrome browser as well. > I've tried setup with the firewall up and down and am using the Chrome browser. I must be doing something fundamentally wrong as it works for others and, well, that's just what I do. But I'm encountering the following: My television displays the following screen: ---------------------------------- set me up On your laptop or phone visit: /google.com/chromecast/setup My setup name is 'Chromecast7084' ---------------------------------- Upon accessing the setup page I receive: --------------------------------------- We recommend you set up your Chromecast from another device You may be able to set up your Chromecast from this device but your operating system is not fully supported. --------------------------------------- I click the "Try anyway" button, which requires me to accept Google's terms and I receive the following screen: -------------- Alrighty, do you see this screen on your TV? set me up Chromecast1234 -------------- But my television screen never changes. I have the same screen telling me to visit the setup page. If I continue anyway I'm told we can't connect. From tclug at freakzilla.com Sat Aug 30 01:23:35 2014 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 01:23:35 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Sata Drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have bunches of 'em. You can have one of the not-awesome ones (; I should point out though that new 7200RPM spinny-disk laptop harddrives are dirt cheap nowadays. On Fri, 29 Aug 2014, Samael Anon wrote: > I am working on a website for someone and my hard drive went bad.? using a > live version of Ubuntu but have to reinstall gimp, etc.? anyone have an old > laptop sata drive sitting around? > > From josh at trutwins.homeip.net Sat Aug 30 09:31:45 2014 From: josh at trutwins.homeip.net (josh at trutwins.homeip.net) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 09:31:45 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hard drive recovery in Minneapolis area In-Reply-To: References: <20140828163002.Horde.8xnTSCwxcg66rVjbbt3Opg6@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <20140830093145.Horde.Y8pMshsTImJmLEqowcTXyA4@trutwins.homeip.net> Quoting Seth Miller : > Josh, > > If you don't mind exposing the data to some of us geeks, we could at least > give it shot and it wouldn't cost you anything. You would just have to use > some "dd" foo to create an image and find a place to put it to give us > access. That might be doable - you saying you're interested? ;) I'm currently waiting for replacement drives from newegg - I ordered 3 and 2 arrived DoA so I'm now I'm waiting on replacements. :/ I have the existing drives powered off and I'm not tinkering with them until I get a replacement setup running. So I might be looking for more expertise later next week... Thanks, and also thanks to the other post replies, Josh From sethmiller.sm at gmail.com Sat Aug 30 12:08:57 2014 From: sethmiller.sm at gmail.com (Seth Miller) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 12:08:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hard drive recovery in Minneapolis area In-Reply-To: <20140830093145.Horde.Y8pMshsTImJmLEqowcTXyA4@trutwins.homeip.net> References: <20140828163002.Horde.8xnTSCwxcg66rVjbbt3Opg6@trutwins.homeip.net> <20140830093145.Horde.Y8pMshsTImJmLEqowcTXyA4@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: Definitely! I got lots of practice last week fixing a bricked Android phone. On Aug 30, 2014 9:32 AM, wrote: > > Quoting Seth Miller : > > Josh, >> >> If you don't mind exposing the data to some of us geeks, we could at least >> give it shot and it wouldn't cost you anything. You would just have to use >> some "dd" foo to create an image and find a place to put it to give us >> access. >> > > That might be doable - you saying you're interested? ;) > > I'm currently waiting for replacement drives from newegg - I ordered 3 and > 2 arrived DoA so I'm now I'm waiting on replacements. :/ I have the > existing drives powered off and I'm not tinkering with them until I get a > replacement setup running. So I might be looking for more expertise later > next week... > > Thanks, and also thanks to the other post replies, > > Josh > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Sat Aug 30 15:04:10 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 15:04:10 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Hard drive recovery in Minneapolis area In-Reply-To: <20140830093145.Horde.Y8pMshsTImJmLEqowcTXyA4@trutwins.homeip.net> References: <20140828163002.Horde.8xnTSCwxcg66rVjbbt3Opg6@trutwins.homeip.net> <20140830093145.Horde.Y8pMshsTImJmLEqowcTXyA4@trutwins.homeip.net> Message-ID: <343E2770-21C1-48F0-96E8-56CA4D00263D@me.com> I?ve done it a few times for people with great success myself? but that?s with failing drives, not those who fail to spin up. Which would be a requirement for this need. On Aug 30, 2014, at 9:31, josh at trutwins.homeip.net wrote: > > Quoting Seth Miller : > >> Josh, >> >> If you don't mind exposing the data to some of us geeks, we could at least >> give it shot and it wouldn't cost you anything. You would just have to use >> some "dd" foo to create an image and find a place to put it to give us >> access. > > That might be doable - you saying you're interested? ;) > > I'm currently waiting for replacement drives from newegg - I ordered 3 and 2 arrived DoA so I'm now I'm waiting on replacements. :/ I have the existing drives powered off and I'm not tinkering with them until I get a replacement setup running. So I might be looking for more expertise later next week... > > Thanks, and also thanks to the other post replies, > > Josh > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ryanjcole at me.com Sat Aug 30 15:05:04 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 15:05:04 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Sata Drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9CE89B93-6F2F-4CF4-A7B9-495F00CA90D6@me.com> $100 for 1TB, or even less today. I think I saw 500GB 5400s for $30 or $40. On Aug 30, 2014, at 1:23, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote: > I have bunches of 'em. You can have one of the not-awesome ones (; I should point out though that new 7200RPM spinny-disk laptop harddrives are dirt cheap nowadays. > > On Fri, 29 Aug 2014, Samael Anon wrote: > >> I am working on a website for someone and my hard drive went bad. using a >> live version of Ubuntu but have to reinstall gimp, etc. anyone have an old >> laptop sata drive sitting around? > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Sat Aug 30 16:45:15 2014 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 16:45:15 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Sata Drive In-Reply-To: <9CE89B93-6F2F-4CF4-A7B9-495F00CA90D6@me.com> References: <9CE89B93-6F2F-4CF4-A7B9-495F00CA90D6@me.com> Message-ID: <830EF64566644C4D8735F8F9755D3D79@d830a> The fast hybrid SSHD Seagate models can be bought new for less than $120, maybe $100 by careful eBay shopping. Seagate Laptop SSHD 1 TB,Internal,5400 RPM,2.5" (ST1000LM014) Mine is 4 times faster than my "standard" 1 TB 5400 drive. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 3:05 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Sata Drive > > $100 for 1TB, or even less today. > > I think I saw 500GB 5400s for $30 or $40. > > On Aug 30, 2014, at 1:23, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote: > > > I have bunches of 'em. You can have one of the not-awesome > ones (; I should point out though that new 7200RPM > spinny-disk laptop harddrives are dirt cheap nowadays. > > > > On Fri, 29 Aug 2014, Samael Anon wrote: > > > >> I am working on a website for someone and my hard drive > went bad. using a > >> live version of Ubuntu but have to reinstall gimp, etc. > anyone have an old > >> laptop sata drive sitting around? > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jpschewe at mtu.net Sun Aug 31 14:05:18 2014 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 14:05:18 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Chromecast with Mint 17? In-Reply-To: <54014072.5000409@gmail.com> References: <54010CDA.1090305@gmail.com> <54014072.5000409@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 10:09 PM, wrote: > > On 08/29/2014 08:04 PM, Jon Schewe wrote: > >> I haven't tried with Mint 17, but have set it up with Ubuntu without >> problems. Have you tried taking down your firewall temporarily to set it >> up? I am pretty sure I did my setup inside the Chrome browser as well. >> >> > I've tried setup with the firewall up and down and am using the Chrome > browser. I must be doing something fundamentally wrong as it works for > others and, well, that's just what I do. But I'm encountering the > following: > > My television displays the following screen: > > ---------------------------------- > set me up > On your laptop or phone visit: /google.com/chromecast/setup > > My setup name is 'Chromecast7084' > ---------------------------------- > > Upon accessing the setup page I receive: > > --------------------------------------- > We recommend you set up your Chromecast from another device > > You may be able to set up your Chromecast from > this device but your operating system is not fully > supported. > --------------------------------------- > > I click the "Try anyway" button, which requires me to accept Google's > terms and I receive the following screen: > > -------------- > Alrighty, do you see this screen on your TV? > > set me up > > Chromecast1234 > -------------- > > But my television screen never changes. I have the same screen telling me > to visit the setup page. If I continue anyway I'm told we can't connect. > > I guess try their suggestion of a different computer then. It should work from a phone too. I don't remember the exact screens, but I do remember that I start out connected to my wireless, then end up connecting to the Chromcast wireless network and visiting a web page on the chromecast to enter my wireless information. Then I needed to switch back to my wireless and everything was working. -- http://mtu.net/~jpschewe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: