From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Fri Jan 3 13:33:18 2014 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 13:33:18 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] C++ meeting Message-ID: http://www.meetingcpp.com/index.php/newsreader/items/c-user-group-meetings-in-january-2014.html Is there interest in a C++ users group? . Maybe a quarterly meeting? There's a conference room where I have an office in Roseville that seats about 12 -15. I'm willing to provide that and some snacks, but would want someone else to plan a meeting. -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust. http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sun Jan 5 16:23:30 2014 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 16:23:30 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] assigning tty to ssh session Message-ID: When I ssh to a server, is there any way to tell the server which tty to assign? E.g., /dev/pts/7 It seems that the default behavior is to assign the lowest number available. The reason I ask is that I am using a sytem where I store bash history using a HISTFILE name based on the tty: export HISTFILE=~/.bash_history$(tty | sed 's|/|_|g') That is nice when I have a lot of connections to the server, but say one connection is killed -- even if the needed tty is not in use, a different one may be assigned on reconnection. So this is my problem - how to get the one I want. I do have a way to get around this, but it is annoying: I can open another ssh session to the server, then repeatedly ssh from that same connection to the same server to occupy the lower-numbered /dev/pts/* ttys. Once all are occupied with smaller numbers than the one desired, I can make my ssh connection and get the right tty. Mike From erikerik at gmail.com Sun Jan 5 16:56:00 2014 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 16:56:00 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] assigning tty to ssh session In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > When I ssh to a server, is there any way to tell the server which tty to > assign? E.g., /dev/pts/7 I would seriously doubt it. Terminal assignment is a kernel-level function, and opening that up to user processes would introduce all manner of venues for abuse. I'm curious to hear about *why* you are separating your HISTFILEs, though. My guess is that you have a set of different ssh session "types", and you want to be able to isolate history entries for each function. Is that correct? If so, I'm fairly certain that we can come up with another system for you that is not tied to getting assigned a specific pts. -Erik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sun Jan 5 20:50:14 2014 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 20:50:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] assigning tty to ssh session In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Jan 2014, Erik Anderson wrote: > I'm curious to hear about *why* you are separating your HISTFILEs, > though. My guess is that you have a set of different ssh session > "types", and you want to be able to isolate history entries for each > function. Is that correct? I'll have maybe 10 connections open to the server at once and each of them will be for my work on some project. So every connection is of its own type -- there is no sort of classification scheme, if that's what you were asking. Every time the command prompt returns, it writes the previous command to the HISTFILE: export PROMPT_COMMAND='history -a' So I have to use separate HISTFILEs or else the commands from different projects will be interlaced. If I don't write every command immediately to a histfile, when the sessions are killed by power failure or network outage, I'll lose all the command histories. I have ways to work around the tty issue using history commands, copying files, etc. But I can also get the tty I want, if it is unused, by occupying the lower /dev/pts/ numbers. This is working great for me, and I would recommend it strongly to others. I'm sharing the relevant lines from my .bashrc below. It would be great if anyone has anything to add or to correct. Thanks. Mike # Use multi_history? Change to "yes" if you will often have multiple # interactive bash shells running simultaneously on this system. This # will cause you to save multiple history files, one per shell -- see # HISTFILE info below. multi_history=yes ############################################## # # HISTORY settings # ############################################## # append to the history file on exit, don't overwrite it shopt -s histappend # If $multi_history=yes, then tty is used to create a different # $HISTFILE for every tty. This will be a big advantage for people # who have multiple interactive bash shells running simultaneously. # It is not recommended for people who only run one at a time. # if requested, add the tty to the name of the history file if [ "$multi_history" = "yes" ]; then export HISTFILE=~/.bash_history$(tty | sed 's|/|_|g') if [ ! -s $HISTFILE ] ; then if [ -s ~/.bash_history_init ] ; then cp -fp ~/.bash_history_init $HISTFILE else echo -e "#1\ncd" >> ~/.bash_history_init chmod 600 ~/.bash_history_init cp -fp ~/.bash_history_init $HISTFILE fi fi fi # immediately write every new command to the history file export PROMPT_COMMAND='history -a' # don't put duplicate lines in the history nor lines beginning with a space export HISTCONTROL=ignoreboth # For setting history length see HISTSIZE and HISTFILESIZE in bash(1) # Save 10,000 lines of history but 100,000 lines in the history file: export HISTSIZE=10000 export HISTFILESIZE=100000 # commands to ignore and not add to history (recommendation: do not # add "cd" to this list because doing so makes it hard to track the # default directory where commands were executed) HISTIGNORE='ls:laf:jobs:bg:fg' # set time format for history file display # in saved file, it uses seconds since 1/1/1970, but those can be converted # for viewing using this command (where 1234567890 is the date in seconds): # date +"%F %T" -d @1234567890 export HISTTIMEFORMAT="%F %T%t" ############################################## # # Prompt settings # ############################################## # somone wrote, "color prompt is turned off by default to not distract # the user: the focus in a terminal window should be on the output of # commands, not on the prompt" # Mike Miller disagrees -- when looking at the scrollback in the # command window, the focus often is on the prompt because the prompt # shows where the commands are. force_color_prompt=yes if [ -n "$force_color_prompt" ]; then if [ -x /usr/bin/tput ] && tput setaf 1 >&/dev/null; then # We have color support; assume it's compliant with Ecma-48 # (ISO/IEC-6429). (Lack of such support is extremely rare, and such # a case would tend to support setf rather than setaf.) color_prompt=yes else color_prompt=no fi fi if [ "$color_prompt" = yes ]; then if [ "$multi_history" = "yes" ]; then # add tty info to prompt for multi_history PS1="\[\e]0;\u@\h : $(tty) : \w\a\]\n\[\e[32m\]\u@\h\[\e[34m\]:\[\e[36m\]$(tty) \[\e[33m\]\w\[\e[0m\]\n\$ " else PS1='\[\e]0;\u@\h: \w\a\]\n\[\e[32m\]\u@\h \[\e[33m\]\w\[\e[0m\]\n\$ ' fi else if [ "$multi_history" = "yes" ]; then # add tty info to prompt for multi_history PS1='\n\u@\h $(tty) \w\n\$ ' else PS1='\n\u@\h \w\n\$ ' fi fi unset color_prompt force_color_prompt From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Sun Jan 5 21:27:10 2014 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 21:27:10 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] UTF characters using ctrl-shift-u Message-ID: It was bugging me that on Facebook, if I typed something like -20?F, the line might wrap between the minus and the 20. Then I read in Wikipedia that there is a minus sign, different from the hyphen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plus_and_minus_signs#Minus_sign Copying/pasting that solved my problem, but that created the new problem that I want to be able to type the minus without having to go to Wikipedia to copy/paste it. That's when I found out that I can type any UTF character by first hitting ctrl-shift-u, then typing the number, then hitting space. The minus is #2212, so this does the trick: ctrl-shift-u 2212 space Alternatively, I can hold down the ctrl-shift while typing the numbers, instead of releasing after the u, and then the UTF character appears when I release ctrl-shift and I don't have to hit the space. That doesn't work in every program, though. It worked in my browsers on Ubuntu, but I don't even know if it works outside of Ubuntu. I don't know how to use it in Emacs. There are UTF characters for ?C (#2103) and ?F (#2109): ?40 ? = ?40 ? They don't look so great in some fonts, though. Anyway, I thought some of you would be interested in that trick. I hadn't heard of it before, but I could be the last one. ;-) Mike From mkorangestripe at gmail.com Sun Jan 5 23:18:47 2014 From: mkorangestripe at gmail.com (Gavin Purcell) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 23:18:47 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] assigning tty to ssh session In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe tmux or screen could be of use. On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > On Sun, 5 Jan 2014, Erik Anderson wrote: > > I'm curious to hear about *why* you are separating your HISTFILEs, >> though. My guess is that you have a set of different ssh session "types", >> and you want to be able to isolate history entries for each function. Is >> that correct? >> > > > I'll have maybe 10 connections open to the server at once and each of them > will be for my work on some project. So every connection is of its own > type -- there is no sort of classification scheme, if that's what you were > asking. > > Every time the command prompt returns, it writes the previous command to > the HISTFILE: > > export PROMPT_COMMAND='history -a' > > So I have to use separate HISTFILEs or else the commands from different > projects will be interlaced. If I don't write every command immediately to > a histfile, when the sessions are killed by power failure or network > outage, I'll lose all the command histories. > > I have ways to work around the tty issue using history commands, copying > files, etc. But I can also get the tty I want, if it is unused, by > occupying the lower /dev/pts/ numbers. > > This is working great for me, and I would recommend it strongly to others. > I'm sharing the relevant lines from my .bashrc below. It would be great if > anyone has anything to add or to correct. Thanks. > > Mike > > > > # Use multi_history? Change to "yes" if you will often have multiple > # interactive bash shells running simultaneously on this system. This > # will cause you to save multiple history files, one per shell -- see > # HISTFILE info below. > multi_history=yes > > > ############################################## > # > # HISTORY settings > # > ############################################## > > # append to the history file on exit, don't overwrite it > shopt -s histappend > > > # If $multi_history=yes, then tty is used to create a different > # $HISTFILE for every tty. This will be a big advantage for people > # who have multiple interactive bash shells running simultaneously. > # It is not recommended for people who only run one at a time. > > # if requested, add the tty to the name of the history file > if [ "$multi_history" = "yes" ]; then > > export HISTFILE=~/.bash_history$(tty | sed 's|/|_|g') > if [ ! -s $HISTFILE ] ; then > if [ -s ~/.bash_history_init ] ; then > cp -fp ~/.bash_history_init $HISTFILE > else > echo -e "#1\ncd" >> ~/.bash_history_init > chmod 600 ~/.bash_history_init > cp -fp ~/.bash_history_init $HISTFILE > fi > fi > fi > > # immediately write every new command to the history file > export PROMPT_COMMAND='history -a' > > # don't put duplicate lines in the history nor lines beginning with a space > export HISTCONTROL=ignoreboth > > # For setting history length see HISTSIZE and HISTFILESIZE in bash(1) > # Save 10,000 lines of history but 100,000 lines in the history file: > export HISTSIZE=10000 > export HISTFILESIZE=100000 > > # commands to ignore and not add to history (recommendation: do not > # add "cd" to this list because doing so makes it hard to track the > # default directory where commands were executed) > HISTIGNORE='ls:laf:jobs:bg:fg' > > # set time format for history file display > # in saved file, it uses seconds since 1/1/1970, but those can be converted > # for viewing using this command (where 1234567890 is the date in seconds): > # date +"%F %T" -d @1234567890 > export HISTTIMEFORMAT="%F %T%t" > > > > ############################################## > # > # Prompt settings > # > ############################################## > > # somone wrote, "color prompt is turned off by default to not distract > # the user: the focus in a terminal window should be on the output of > # commands, not on the prompt" > # Mike Miller disagrees -- when looking at the scrollback in the > # command window, the focus often is on the prompt because the prompt > # shows where the commands are. > force_color_prompt=yes > > if [ -n "$force_color_prompt" ]; then > if [ -x /usr/bin/tput ] && tput setaf 1 >&/dev/null; then > # We have color support; assume it's compliant with Ecma-48 > # (ISO/IEC-6429). (Lack of such support is extremely rare, and such > # a case would tend to support setf rather than setaf.) > color_prompt=yes > else > color_prompt=no > fi > fi > > if [ "$color_prompt" = yes ]; then > if [ "$multi_history" = "yes" ]; then > # add tty info to prompt for multi_history > PS1="\[\e]0;\u@\h : $(tty) : \w\a\]\n\[\e[32m\]\u@\h\[\e[34m\]:\[\e[36m\]$(tty) > \[\e[33m\]\w\[\e[0m\]\n\$ " > else > PS1='\[\e]0;\u@\h: \w\a\]\n\[\e[32m\]\u@\h > \[\e[33m\]\w\[\e[0m\]\n\$ ' > fi > else > if [ "$multi_history" = "yes" ]; then > # add tty info to prompt for multi_history > PS1='\n\u@\h $(tty) \w\n\$ ' > else > PS1='\n\u@\h \w\n\$ ' > fi > fi > unset color_prompt force_color_prompt > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eng at pinenet.com Mon Jan 6 05:23:31 2014 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 05:23:31 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] UTF characters using ctrl-shift-u In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52CA9233.9010009@pinenet.com> This seems the same as "Unicode" and the technique is interesting. A while back I had to use unicode to create a simple filled box in a tcl/tk window. It had a red foreground to look like an LED indicator. The 4 red boxes had a glyph representation ; \u2588\u2588\u2588\u2588 It took quite a while to go through thousands of glyphs, just to find what used to be (IIRC) extended ASCII. I would be interested in the actual programs doing this conversion. I think the tcl interpreter script uses the "\u" to flag the unicode example above. Been a while. Surprised I found this old stuff. Mike Miller wrote: > It was bugging me that on Facebook, if I typed something like -20?F, the > line might wrap between the minus and the 20. Then I read in Wikipedia > that there is a minus sign, different from the hyphen: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plus_and_minus_signs#Minus_sign > > Copying/pasting that solved my problem, but that created the new problem > that I want to be able to type the minus without having to go to > Wikipedia to copy/paste it. > > That's when I found out that I can type any UTF character by first > hitting ctrl-shift-u, then typing the number, then hitting space. The > minus is #2212, so this does the trick: > > ctrl-shift-u > 2212 > space > > Alternatively, I can hold down the ctrl-shift while typing the numbers, > instead of releasing after the u, and then the UTF character appears > when I release ctrl-shift and I don't have to hit the space. > > That doesn't work in every program, though. It worked in my browsers on > Ubuntu, but I don't even know if it works outside of Ubuntu. I don't > know how to use it in Emacs. > > There are UTF characters for ?C (#2103) and ?F (#2109): > > ?40 ? = ?40 ? > > They don't look so great in some fonts, though. > > Anyway, I thought some of you would be interested in that trick. I > hadn't heard of it before, but I could be the last one. ;-) > > Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From kris.browne at gmail.com Mon Jan 6 07:05:09 2014 From: kris.browne at gmail.com (Kris Browne) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 07:05:09 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] UTF characters using ctrl-shift-u In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's a decent enough starting point for doing Unicode in emacs. http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/UnicodeEncoding Kris Browne kris.browne at gmail.com 612-353-6969 612-408-4431 http://www.google.com/profiles/kris.browne "the least expensive, most bug-free line of code is the one you didn't have to write." - Steve Jobs On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 9:27 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > It was bugging me that on Facebook, if I typed something like -20?F, the > line might wrap between the minus and the 20. Then I read in Wikipedia > that there is a minus sign, different from the hyphen: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plus_and_minus_signs#Minus_sign > > Copying/pasting that solved my problem, but that created the new problem > that I want to be able to type the minus without having to go to Wikipedia > to copy/paste it. > > That's when I found out that I can type any UTF character by first hitting > ctrl-shift-u, then typing the number, then hitting space. The minus is > #2212, so this does the trick: > > ctrl-shift-u > 2212 > space > > Alternatively, I can hold down the ctrl-shift while typing the numbers, > instead of releasing after the u, and then the UTF character appears when I > release ctrl-shift and I don't have to hit the space. > > That doesn't work in every program, though. It worked in my browsers on > Ubuntu, but I don't even know if it works outside of Ubuntu. I don't know > how to use it in Emacs. > > There are UTF characters for ?C (#2103) and ?F (#2109): > > ?40 ? = ?40 ? > > They don't look so great in some fonts, though. > > Anyway, I thought some of you would be interested in that trick. I hadn't > heard of it before, but I could be the last one. ;-) > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Mon Jan 6 10:39:02 2014 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 10:39:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] assigning tty to ssh session In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Does either of those keep the command histories for multiple login sessions stored in separate files? My guess is "no," but that it still would help when a connection is lost. I have been wanting for years to learn to use GNU Screen but I haven't gotten around to it. Is there a good tutorial? If I weren't doing what I am doing, and the server crashed, I would lose all command histories. This way I lose nothing. I don't think screen would help unless it is continually storing its state and command history in a file. Mike On Sun, 5 Jan 2014, Gavin Purcell wrote: > Maybe tmux or screen could be of use. > > > On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > >> On Sun, 5 Jan 2014, Erik Anderson wrote: >> >> I'm curious to hear about *why* you are separating your HISTFILEs, >>> though. My guess is that you have a set of different ssh session "types", >>> and you want to be able to isolate history entries for each function. Is >>> that correct? >>> >> >> >> I'll have maybe 10 connections open to the server at once and each of them >> will be for my work on some project. So every connection is of its own >> type -- there is no sort of classification scheme, if that's what you were >> asking. >> >> Every time the command prompt returns, it writes the previous command to >> the HISTFILE: >> >> export PROMPT_COMMAND='history -a' >> >> So I have to use separate HISTFILEs or else the commands from different >> projects will be interlaced. If I don't write every command immediately to >> a histfile, when the sessions are killed by power failure or network >> outage, I'll lose all the command histories. >> >> I have ways to work around the tty issue using history commands, copying >> files, etc. But I can also get the tty I want, if it is unused, by >> occupying the lower /dev/pts/ numbers. >> >> This is working great for me, and I would recommend it strongly to others. >> I'm sharing the relevant lines from my .bashrc below. It would be great if >> anyone has anything to add or to correct. Thanks. >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> # Use multi_history? Change to "yes" if you will often have multiple >> # interactive bash shells running simultaneously on this system. This >> # will cause you to save multiple history files, one per shell -- see >> # HISTFILE info below. >> multi_history=yes >> >> >> ############################################## >> # >> # HISTORY settings >> # >> ############################################## >> >> # append to the history file on exit, don't overwrite it >> shopt -s histappend >> >> >> # If $multi_history=yes, then tty is used to create a different >> # $HISTFILE for every tty. This will be a big advantage for people >> # who have multiple interactive bash shells running simultaneously. >> # It is not recommended for people who only run one at a time. >> >> # if requested, add the tty to the name of the history file >> if [ "$multi_history" = "yes" ]; then >> >> export HISTFILE=~/.bash_history$(tty | sed 's|/|_|g') >> if [ ! -s $HISTFILE ] ; then >> if [ -s ~/.bash_history_init ] ; then >> cp -fp ~/.bash_history_init $HISTFILE >> else >> echo -e "#1\ncd" >> ~/.bash_history_init >> chmod 600 ~/.bash_history_init >> cp -fp ~/.bash_history_init $HISTFILE >> fi >> fi >> fi >> >> # immediately write every new command to the history file >> export PROMPT_COMMAND='history -a' >> >> # don't put duplicate lines in the history nor lines beginning with a space >> export HISTCONTROL=ignoreboth >> >> # For setting history length see HISTSIZE and HISTFILESIZE in bash(1) >> # Save 10,000 lines of history but 100,000 lines in the history file: >> export HISTSIZE=10000 >> export HISTFILESIZE=100000 >> >> # commands to ignore and not add to history (recommendation: do not >> # add "cd" to this list because doing so makes it hard to track the >> # default directory where commands were executed) >> HISTIGNORE='ls:laf:jobs:bg:fg' >> >> # set time format for history file display >> # in saved file, it uses seconds since 1/1/1970, but those can be converted >> # for viewing using this command (where 1234567890 is the date in seconds): >> # date +"%F %T" -d @1234567890 >> export HISTTIMEFORMAT="%F %T%t" >> >> >> >> ############################################## >> # >> # Prompt settings >> # >> ############################################## >> >> # somone wrote, "color prompt is turned off by default to not distract >> # the user: the focus in a terminal window should be on the output of >> # commands, not on the prompt" >> # Mike Miller disagrees -- when looking at the scrollback in the >> # command window, the focus often is on the prompt because the prompt >> # shows where the commands are. >> force_color_prompt=yes >> >> if [ -n "$force_color_prompt" ]; then >> if [ -x /usr/bin/tput ] && tput setaf 1 >&/dev/null; then >> # We have color support; assume it's compliant with Ecma-48 >> # (ISO/IEC-6429). (Lack of such support is extremely rare, and such >> # a case would tend to support setf rather than setaf.) >> color_prompt=yes >> else >> color_prompt=no >> fi >> fi >> >> if [ "$color_prompt" = yes ]; then >> if [ "$multi_history" = "yes" ]; then >> # add tty info to prompt for multi_history >> PS1="\[\e]0;\u@\h : $(tty) : \w\a\]\n\[\e[32m\]\u@\h\[\e[34m\]:\[\e[36m\]$(tty) >> \[\e[33m\]\w\[\e[0m\]\n\$ " >> else >> PS1='\[\e]0;\u@\h: \w\a\]\n\[\e[32m\]\u@\h >> \[\e[33m\]\w\[\e[0m\]\n\$ ' >> fi >> else >> if [ "$multi_history" = "yes" ]; then >> # add tty info to prompt for multi_history >> PS1='\n\u@\h $(tty) \w\n\$ ' >> else >> PS1='\n\u@\h \w\n\$ ' >> fi >> fi >> unset color_prompt force_color_prompt >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > From robotsondrugs at gmail.com Mon Jan 6 12:47:52 2014 From: robotsondrugs at gmail.com (Andrew Berg) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 12:47:52 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] assigning tty to ssh session In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52CAFA58.5030006@gmail.com> On 2014.01.06 10:39, Mike Miller wrote: > Does either of those keep the command histories for multiple login > sessions stored in separate files? My guess is "no," but that it still > would help when a connection is lost. I have been wanting for years to > learn to use GNU Screen but I haven't gotten around to it. Is there a > good tutorial? > > If I weren't doing what I am doing, and the server crashed, I would lose > all command histories. This way I lose nothing. I don't think screen > would help unless it is continually storing its state and command history > in a file. tmux is far more convenient than what you're doing. Its main purpose is to keep several terminals open and available to you at the same time and to attach and detach at will without any adverse consequences. tmux won't separate your command histories across sessions (it will have separate histories in each pseudoterminal), but such a thing would have to be handled by your shell anyway since that is what is keeping history. Since you already have shell code written to do this, it should work with some minor changes. Also, don't use screen. It's old and buggier and has fewer features than tmux. Some people still use it because they've using it for years and it serves their needs, but you have no investment in it, so it will give you no advantage over tmux. There are plenty of tutorials out there to get you started with tmux, and there's even a book on it: http://pragprog.com/book/bhtmux/tmux (it has a focus on development, but I've read some of it, and the basic and intermediate stuff is very well covered). From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Mon Jan 6 13:40:55 2014 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 13:40:55 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] assigning tty to ssh session In-Reply-To: <52CAFA58.5030006@gmail.com> References: <52CAFA58.5030006@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Andrew. Now I want that book! Mike On Mon, 6 Jan 2014, Andrew Berg wrote: > On 2014.01.06 10:39, Mike Miller wrote: > >> Does either of those keep the command histories for multiple login >> sessions stored in separate files? My guess is "no," but that it still >> would help when a connection is lost. I have been wanting for years to >> learn to use GNU Screen but I haven't gotten around to it. Is there a >> good tutorial? >> >> If I weren't doing what I am doing, and the server crashed, I would >> lose all command histories. This way I lose nothing. I don't think >> screen would help unless it is continually storing its state and >> command history in a file. > > tmux is far more convenient than what you're doing. Its main purpose is > to keep several terminals open and available to you at the same time and > to attach and detach at will without any adverse consequences. tmux > won't separate your command histories across sessions (it will have > separate histories in each pseudoterminal), but such a thing would have > to be handled by your shell anyway since that is what is keeping > history. Since you already have shell code written to do this, it should > work with some minor changes. > > Also, don't use screen. It's old and buggier and has fewer features than > tmux. Some people still use it because they've using it for years and it > serves their needs, but you have no investment in it, so it will give > you no advantage over tmux. There are plenty of tutorials out there to > get you started with tmux, and there's even a book on it: > http://pragprog.com/book/bhtmux/tmux (it has a focus on development, but > I've read some of it, and the basic and intermediate stuff is very well > covered). From erikerik at gmail.com Mon Jan 6 13:58:30 2014 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 13:58:30 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] assigning tty to ssh session In-Reply-To: References: <52CAFA58.5030006@gmail.com> Message-ID: I 100% agree with Andrew on this. Being able to use a terminal multiplexer like this is a *very* handy skill to have in your back pocket. I've been using GNU Screen for ~10 years now, and am happy with it. I've used tmux and it seems to work well, but my old fingers are stuck in their ways, knowing the Screen shortcuts much better, so until I need a feature that screen isn't providing, I'll likely just keep using that. Andrew's advice is sound, though: if you're just learning one now, start with tmux. I do use screen for multiplexing, that's a given. Here's a quick list of *other* things I use screen for, which are just as valuable to me as multiplexing is: - disconnect-resilient shells (if you're running in screen and your network connection dies, everything keeps running) - terminal sharing (co-troubleshooting with a co-worker, training other devs, etc.) - monitoring long-running processes (much easier than the nohup dance, and easier to jump into and out of) - serial terminal for network equipment management (tmux can handle all of these things as well) -Erik On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > Thanks, Andrew. Now I want that book! > > Mike > > > > On Mon, 6 Jan 2014, Andrew Berg wrote: > > On 2014.01.06 10:39, Mike Miller wrote: >> >> Does either of those keep the command histories for multiple login >>> sessions stored in separate files? My guess is "no," but that it still >>> would help when a connection is lost. I have been wanting for years to >>> learn to use GNU Screen but I haven't gotten around to it. Is there a good >>> tutorial? >>> >>> If I weren't doing what I am doing, and the server crashed, I would lose >>> all command histories. This way I lose nothing. I don't think screen >>> would help unless it is continually storing its state and command history >>> in a file. >>> >> >> tmux is far more convenient than what you're doing. Its main purpose is >> to keep several terminals open and available to you at the same time and to >> attach and detach at will without any adverse consequences. tmux won't >> separate your command histories across sessions (it will have separate >> histories in each pseudoterminal), but such a thing would have to be >> handled by your shell anyway since that is what is keeping history. Since >> you already have shell code written to do this, it should work with some >> minor changes. >> >> Also, don't use screen. It's old and buggier and has fewer features than >> tmux. Some people still use it because they've using it for years and it >> serves their needs, but you have no investment in it, so it will give you >> no advantage over tmux. There are plenty of tutorials out there to get you >> started with tmux, and there's even a book on it: >> http://pragprog.com/book/bhtmux/tmux (it has a focus on development, but >> I've read some of it, and the basic and intermediate stuff is very well >> covered). >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Mon Jan 6 14:40:36 2014 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 14:40:36 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] UTF characters using ctrl-shift-u In-Reply-To: <52CA9233.9010009@pinenet.com> References: <52CA9233.9010009@pinenet.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Jan 2014, Rick Engebretson wrote: > This seems the same as "Unicode" and the technique is interesting. It is Unicode. > A while back I had to use unicode to create a simple filled box in a > tcl/tk window. It had a red foreground to look like an LED indicator. > The 4 red boxes had a glyph representation ; \u2588\u2588\u2588\u2588 > > It took quite a while to go through thousands of glyphs, just to find > what used to be (IIRC) extended ASCII. Would something like iconv would have helped get you started? I use this sometimes: iconv --from-code=ISO-8859-1 --to-code=UTF-8 I think there are different encodings of extended ASCII, including the ISO-8859-1. This works on my Ubuntu box: man iso-8859-1 Or see here: http://www.ascii-code.com/ But that is the Latin-1 set, not the box-drawing or block-elements. The term "extended ASCII" is ambiguous: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_ASCII So the problem is that there is no standard mapping from those 8-bit codes to a single character set. You might be thinking of what DOS used to do. For the DOS/Windows version, heck out the extended ASCII table at the bottom of this page: http://www.asciitable.com/ Use of unicode UTF-8 removes all ambiguity, but it doesn't use the 8-bit codes. More on those box/block characters: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_Elements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box-drawing_characters Another thing that uses these characters a lot is ncurses. I don't know much about it, but I think it makes it easy to use software to draw boxes. > I would be interested in the actual programs doing this conversion. I > think the tcl interpreter script uses the "\u" to flag the unicode > example above. I would like to know more, too. I have a program called "unum" that hasn't always worked the way I want it to. You might want to look that one up, or maybe someone reading this can chime in. Mike From jpschewe at mtu.net Mon Jan 6 20:58:21 2014 From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 20:58:21 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] assigning tty to ssh session In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm thinking tmux combined with your bashrc would work. I typically start a tmux session for each project. You could have your bashrc query tmux for which named session it is in and then create the name of the history file based on the tmux session and thus the project name. Now that I think of it, this sounds like something I should do as well. However I run multiple bash sessions for the same project, so I'm not sure how to fix the interleave problem. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Mike Miller wrote: > Does either of those keep the command histories for multiple login > sessions stored in separate files? My guess is "no," but that it still > would help when a connection is lost. I have been wanting for years to > learn to use GNU Screen but I haven't gotten around to it. Is there a good > tutorial? > > If I weren't doing what I am doing, and the server crashed, I would lose > all command histories. This way I lose nothing. I don't think screen > would help unless it is continually storing its state and command history > in a file. > > Mike > > > > On Sun, 5 Jan 2014, Gavin Purcell wrote: > > Maybe tmux or screen could be of use. >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Mike Miller wrote: >> >> On Sun, 5 Jan 2014, Erik Anderson wrote: >>> >>> I'm curious to hear about *why* you are separating your HISTFILEs, >>> >>>> though. My guess is that you have a set of different ssh session >>>> "types", >>>> and you want to be able to isolate history entries for each function. Is >>>> that correct? >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I'll have maybe 10 connections open to the server at once and each of >>> them >>> will be for my work on some project. So every connection is of its own >>> type -- there is no sort of classification scheme, if that's what you >>> were >>> asking. >>> >>> Every time the command prompt returns, it writes the previous command to >>> the HISTFILE: >>> >>> export PROMPT_COMMAND='history -a' >>> >>> So I have to use separate HISTFILEs or else the commands from different >>> projects will be interlaced. If I don't write every command immediately >>> to >>> a histfile, when the sessions are killed by power failure or network >>> outage, I'll lose all the command histories. >>> >>> I have ways to work around the tty issue using history commands, copying >>> files, etc. But I can also get the tty I want, if it is unused, by >>> occupying the lower /dev/pts/ numbers. >>> >>> This is working great for me, and I would recommend it strongly to >>> others. >>> I'm sharing the relevant lines from my .bashrc below. It would be great >>> if >>> anyone has anything to add or to correct. Thanks. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> # Use multi_history? Change to "yes" if you will often have multiple >>> # interactive bash shells running simultaneously on this system. This >>> # will cause you to save multiple history files, one per shell -- see >>> # HISTFILE info below. >>> multi_history=yes >>> >>> >>> ############################################## >>> # >>> # HISTORY settings >>> # >>> ############################################## >>> >>> # append to the history file on exit, don't overwrite it >>> shopt -s histappend >>> >>> >>> # If $multi_history=yes, then tty is used to create a different >>> # $HISTFILE for every tty. This will be a big advantage for people >>> # who have multiple interactive bash shells running simultaneously. >>> # It is not recommended for people who only run one at a time. >>> >>> # if requested, add the tty to the name of the history file >>> if [ "$multi_history" = "yes" ]; then >>> >>> export HISTFILE=~/.bash_history$(tty | sed 's|/|_|g') >>> if [ ! -s $HISTFILE ] ; then >>> if [ -s ~/.bash_history_init ] ; then >>> cp -fp ~/.bash_history_init $HISTFILE >>> else >>> echo -e "#1\ncd" >> ~/.bash_history_init >>> chmod 600 ~/.bash_history_init >>> cp -fp ~/.bash_history_init $HISTFILE >>> fi >>> fi >>> fi >>> >>> # immediately write every new command to the history file >>> export PROMPT_COMMAND='history -a' >>> >>> # don't put duplicate lines in the history nor lines beginning with a >>> space >>> export HISTCONTROL=ignoreboth >>> >>> # For setting history length see HISTSIZE and HISTFILESIZE in bash(1) >>> # Save 10,000 lines of history but 100,000 lines in the history file: >>> export HISTSIZE=10000 >>> export HISTFILESIZE=100000 >>> >>> # commands to ignore and not add to history (recommendation: do not >>> # add "cd" to this list because doing so makes it hard to track the >>> # default directory where commands were executed) >>> HISTIGNORE='ls:laf:jobs:bg:fg' >>> >>> # set time format for history file display >>> # in saved file, it uses seconds since 1/1/1970, but those can be >>> converted >>> # for viewing using this command (where 1234567890 is the date in >>> seconds): >>> # date +"%F %T" -d @1234567890 >>> export HISTTIMEFORMAT="%F %T%t" >>> >>> >>> >>> ############################################## >>> # >>> # Prompt settings >>> # >>> ############################################## >>> >>> # somone wrote, "color prompt is turned off by default to not distract >>> # the user: the focus in a terminal window should be on the output of >>> # commands, not on the prompt" >>> # Mike Miller disagrees -- when looking at the scrollback in the >>> # command window, the focus often is on the prompt because the prompt >>> # shows where the commands are. >>> force_color_prompt=yes >>> >>> if [ -n "$force_color_prompt" ]; then >>> if [ -x /usr/bin/tput ] && tput setaf 1 >&/dev/null; then >>> # We have color support; assume it's compliant with Ecma-48 >>> # (ISO/IEC-6429). (Lack of such support is extremely rare, and such >>> # a case would tend to support setf rather than setaf.) >>> color_prompt=yes >>> else >>> color_prompt=no >>> fi >>> fi >>> >>> if [ "$color_prompt" = yes ]; then >>> if [ "$multi_history" = "yes" ]; then >>> # add tty info to prompt for multi_history >>> PS1="\[\e]0;\u@\h : $(tty) : \w\a\]\n\[\e[32m\]\u@\h\[\e[ >>> 34m\]:\[\e[36m\]$(tty) >>> \[\e[33m\]\w\[\e[0m\]\n\$ " >>> else >>> PS1='\[\e]0;\u@\h: \w\a\]\n\[\e[32m\]\u@\h >>> \[\e[33m\]\w\[\e[0m\]\n\$ ' >>> fi >>> else >>> if [ "$multi_history" = "yes" ]; then >>> # add tty info to prompt for multi_history >>> PS1='\n\u@\h $(tty) \w\n\$ ' >>> else >>> PS1='\n\u@\h \w\n\$ ' >>> fi >>> fi >>> unset color_prompt force_color_prompt >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- http://mtu.net/~jpschewe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jus at krytosvirus.com Mon Jan 6 21:34:01 2014 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 21:34:01 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] assigning tty to ssh session Message-ID: Not sure where this falls on your compatibility of whatever it is you're doing but why not just use separate user accounts on the server?? Also, another +1 for screen multiplexing. I fall into the same "been using screen? -------- Original message -------- From: Jon Schewe Date:01/06/2014 8:58 PM (GMT-06:00) To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] assigning tty to ssh session I'm thinking tmux combined with your bashrc would work. I typically start a tmux session for each project. You could have your bashrc query tmux for which named session it is in and then create the name of the history file based on the tmux session and thus the project name.? Now that I think of it, this sounds like something I should do as well. However I run multiple bash sessions for the same project, so I'm not sure how to fix the interleave problem. On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Mike Miller wrote: Does either of those keep the command histories for multiple login sessions stored in separate files? ?My guess is "no," but that it still would help when a connection is lost. ?I have been wanting for years to learn to use GNU Screen but I haven't gotten around to it. ?Is there a good tutorial? If I weren't doing what I am doing, and the server crashed, I would lose all command histories. ?This way I lose nothing. ?I don't think screen would help unless it is continually storing its state and command history in a file. Mike On Sun, 5 Jan 2014, Gavin Purcell wrote: Maybe tmux or screen could be of use. On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Mike Miller wrote: On Sun, 5 Jan 2014, Erik Anderson wrote: ?I'm curious to hear about *why* you are separating your HISTFILEs, though. My guess is that you have a set of different ssh session "types", and you want to be able to isolate history entries for each function. Is that correct? I'll have maybe 10 connections open to the server at once and each of them will be for my work on some project. ?So every connection is of its own type -- there is no sort of classification scheme, if that's what you were asking. Every time the command prompt returns, it writes the previous command to the HISTFILE: export PROMPT_COMMAND='history -a' So I have to use separate HISTFILEs or else the commands from different projects will be interlaced. ?If I don't write every command immediately to a histfile, when the sessions are killed by power failure or network outage, I'll lose all the command histories. I have ways to work around the tty issue using history commands, copying files, etc. ?But I can also get the tty I want, if it is unused, by occupying the lower /dev/pts/ numbers. This is working great for me, and I would recommend it strongly to others. I'm sharing the relevant lines from my .bashrc below. ?It would be great if anyone has anything to add or to correct. ?Thanks. Mike # Use multi_history? ?Change to "yes" if you will often have multiple # interactive bash shells running simultaneously on this system. ?This # will cause you to save multiple history files, one per shell -- see # HISTFILE info below. multi_history=yes ############################################## # # HISTORY settings # ############################################## # append to the history file on exit, don't overwrite it shopt -s histappend # If $multi_history=yes, then tty is used to create a different # $HISTFILE for every tty. ?This will be a big advantage for people # who have multiple interactive bash shells running simultaneously. # It is not recommended for people who only run one at a time. # if requested, add the tty to the name of the history file if [ "$multi_history" = "yes" ]; then ? ?export HISTFILE=~/.bash_history$(tty | sed 's|/|_|g') ? ?if [ ! -s $HISTFILE ] ; then ? ? ? if [ -s ~/.bash_history_init ] ; then ? ? ? ? ?cp -fp ~/.bash_history_init $HISTFILE ? ? ? else ? ? ? ? ?echo -e "#1\ncd" >> ~/.bash_history_init ? ? ? ? ?chmod 600 ~/.bash_history_init ? ? ? ? ?cp -fp ~/.bash_history_init $HISTFILE ? ? ? fi ? ?fi fi # immediately write every new command to the history file export PROMPT_COMMAND='history -a' # don't put duplicate lines in the history nor lines beginning with a space export HISTCONTROL=ignoreboth # For setting history length see HISTSIZE and HISTFILESIZE in bash(1) # Save 10,000 lines of history but 100,000 lines in the history file: export HISTSIZE=10000 export HISTFILESIZE=100000 # commands to ignore and not add to history (recommendation: do not # add "cd" to this list because doing so makes it hard to track the # default directory where commands were executed) HISTIGNORE='ls:laf:jobs:bg:fg' # set time format for history file display # in saved file, it uses seconds since 1/1/1970, but those can be converted # for viewing using this command (where 1234567890 is the date in seconds): # date +"%F %T" -d @1234567890 export HISTTIMEFORMAT="%F %T%t" ############################################## # # Prompt settings # ############################################## # somone wrote, "color prompt is turned off by default to not distract # the user: the focus in a terminal window should be on the output of # commands, not on the prompt" # Mike Miller disagrees -- when looking at the scrollback in the # command window, the focus often is on the prompt because the prompt # shows where the commands are. force_color_prompt=yes if [ -n "$force_color_prompt" ]; then ? ?if [ -x /usr/bin/tput ] && tput setaf 1 >&/dev/null; then ? ? ? # We have color support; assume it's compliant with Ecma-48 ? ? ? # (ISO/IEC-6429). (Lack of such support is extremely rare, and such ? ? ? # a case would tend to support setf rather than setaf.) ? ? ? color_prompt=yes ? ?else ? ? ? color_prompt=no ? ?fi fi if [ "$color_prompt" = yes ]; then ? ?if [ "$multi_history" = "yes" ]; then ? ? ? # add tty info to prompt for multi_history ? ? ? PS1="\[\e]0;\u@\h : $(tty) : \w\a\]\n\[\e[32m\]\u@\h\[\e[34m\]:\[\e[36m\]$(tty) \[\e[33m\]\w\[\e[0m\]\n\$ " ? ?else ? ? ? PS1='\[\e]0;\u@\h: \w\a\]\n\[\e[32m\]\u@\h \[\e[33m\]\w\[\e[0m\]\n\$ ' ? ?fi else ? ?if [ "$multi_history" = "yes" ]; then ? ? ? # add tty info to prompt for multi_history ? ? ? PS1='\n\u@\h $(tty) \w\n\$ ' ? ?else ? ? ? 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URL: From jus at krytosvirus.com Mon Jan 6 21:37:36 2014 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 21:37:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] assigning tty to ssh session Message-ID: <7x6y4x1v0byrxi3g82g98bqy.1389065855803@email.android.com> Ugh, now fixed in line my prematurely sentmessage.? -------- Original message -------- From: Justin Krejci Date:01/06/2014 9:34 PM (GMT-06:00) To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] assigning tty to ssh session Not sure where this falls on your compatibility of whatever it is you're doing but why not just use separate user accounts on the server?? Also, another +1 for screen multiplexing. I fall into the same "been using screen since before tax existed" category. There was some wiki page I liked to reference for screen. Not sure if it's still around anymore though and it was not a tutorial but more a quick ref with some good cookbook examples.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Tue Jan 7 01:24:31 2014 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 01:24:31 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] assigning tty to ssh session In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Jan 2014, Justin Krejci wrote: > Not sure where this falls on your compatibility of whatever it is you're > doing but why not just use separate user accounts on the server?? First, the server is configured so that it uses university X.500 authentication, so I get one username from that. Second, I don't have root permissions on it, and I don't want to ask an IT guy to make a bunch of extra accounts. Third, I don't really see how it would work better for me than what I am doing now. I'd have all different file permissions all over the place, all sorts of hassles with the path and my collections of executables. It would be really weird and tricky. I have 12 ssh sessions running right now and I don't want to have 12 accounts. Also, I sometimes have two sessions for one project. Anyway, thanks for the idea, but I can't use that. > Also, another +1 for screen multiplexing. Yeah, I should learn that. Well, it sounds like tmux is considered the better one, and there is a book, so that has to be a reasonable way to go. The Wikipedia entry for tmux is helpful: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tmux When I read "tmux includes most features of GNU Screen," it made me think it had less to offer, but reading further I see a list of "features that differentiate tmux from GNU Screen," and tmux seems to be the clear winner. This article is also pretty convincing: Is tmux the GNU Screen killer? http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/is-tmux-the-gnu-screen-killer/1901/ There are more links from that article and from the Wikipedia entry. It doesn't sound like Screen offers anything I want that isn't better in tmux. I consider myself lucky that I didn't get into Screen so I'm not hooked on the Screen keystrokes. Thanks, everyone! Mike From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Tue Jan 7 01:25:38 2014 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 01:25:38 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] assigning tty to ssh session In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I probably won't do it right away, but once I've gotten into it, I'll report back on how it's working out for me. Thanks. Mike On Mon, 6 Jan 2014, Jon Schewe wrote: > I'm thinking tmux combined with your bashrc would work. I typically start a > tmux session for each project. You could have your bashrc query tmux for > which named session it is in and then create the name of the history file > based on the tmux session and thus the project name. > > Now that I think of it, this sounds like something I should do as well. > However I run multiple bash sessions for the same project, so I'm not sure > how to fix the interleave problem. > > > On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Mike Miller wrote: > >> Does either of those keep the command histories for multiple login >> sessions stored in separate files? My guess is "no," but that it still >> would help when a connection is lost. I have been wanting for years to >> learn to use GNU Screen but I haven't gotten around to it. Is there a good >> tutorial? >> >> If I weren't doing what I am doing, and the server crashed, I would lose >> all command histories. This way I lose nothing. I don't think screen >> would help unless it is continually storing its state and command history >> in a file. >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> On Sun, 5 Jan 2014, Gavin Purcell wrote: >> >> Maybe tmux or screen could be of use. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Mike Miller wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, 5 Jan 2014, Erik Anderson wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm curious to hear about *why* you are separating your HISTFILEs, >>>> >>>>> though. My guess is that you have a set of different ssh session >>>>> "types", >>>>> and you want to be able to isolate history entries for each function. Is >>>>> that correct? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> I'll have maybe 10 connections open to the server at once and each of >>>> them >>>> will be for my work on some project. So every connection is of its own >>>> type -- there is no sort of classification scheme, if that's what you >>>> were >>>> asking. >>>> >>>> Every time the command prompt returns, it writes the previous command to >>>> the HISTFILE: >>>> >>>> export PROMPT_COMMAND='history -a' >>>> >>>> So I have to use separate HISTFILEs or else the commands from different >>>> projects will be interlaced. If I don't write every command immediately >>>> to >>>> a histfile, when the sessions are killed by power failure or network >>>> outage, I'll lose all the command histories. >>>> >>>> I have ways to work around the tty issue using history commands, copying >>>> files, etc. But I can also get the tty I want, if it is unused, by >>>> occupying the lower /dev/pts/ numbers. >>>> >>>> This is working great for me, and I would recommend it strongly to >>>> others. >>>> I'm sharing the relevant lines from my .bashrc below. It would be great >>>> if >>>> anyone has anything to add or to correct. Thanks. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> # Use multi_history? Change to "yes" if you will often have multiple >>>> # interactive bash shells running simultaneously on this system. This >>>> # will cause you to save multiple history files, one per shell -- see >>>> # HISTFILE info below. >>>> multi_history=yes >>>> >>>> >>>> ############################################## >>>> # >>>> # HISTORY settings >>>> # >>>> ############################################## >>>> >>>> # append to the history file on exit, don't overwrite it >>>> shopt -s histappend >>>> >>>> >>>> # If $multi_history=yes, then tty is used to create a different >>>> # $HISTFILE for every tty. This will be a big advantage for people >>>> # who have multiple interactive bash shells running simultaneously. >>>> # It is not recommended for people who only run one at a time. >>>> >>>> # if requested, add the tty to the name of the history file >>>> if [ "$multi_history" = "yes" ]; then >>>> >>>> export HISTFILE=~/.bash_history$(tty | sed 's|/|_|g') >>>> if [ ! -s $HISTFILE ] ; then >>>> if [ -s ~/.bash_history_init ] ; then >>>> cp -fp ~/.bash_history_init $HISTFILE >>>> else >>>> echo -e "#1\ncd" >> ~/.bash_history_init >>>> chmod 600 ~/.bash_history_init >>>> cp -fp ~/.bash_history_init $HISTFILE >>>> fi >>>> fi >>>> fi >>>> >>>> # immediately write every new command to the history file >>>> export PROMPT_COMMAND='history -a' >>>> >>>> # don't put duplicate lines in the history nor lines beginning with a >>>> space >>>> export HISTCONTROL=ignoreboth >>>> >>>> # For setting history length see HISTSIZE and HISTFILESIZE in bash(1) >>>> # Save 10,000 lines of history but 100,000 lines in the history file: >>>> export HISTSIZE=10000 >>>> export HISTFILESIZE=100000 >>>> >>>> # commands to ignore and not add to history (recommendation: do not >>>> # add "cd" to this list because doing so makes it hard to track the >>>> # default directory where commands were executed) >>>> HISTIGNORE='ls:laf:jobs:bg:fg' >>>> >>>> # set time format for history file display >>>> # in saved file, it uses seconds since 1/1/1970, but those can be >>>> converted >>>> # for viewing using this command (where 1234567890 is the date in >>>> seconds): >>>> # date +"%F %T" -d @1234567890 >>>> export HISTTIMEFORMAT="%F %T%t" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ############################################## >>>> # >>>> # Prompt settings >>>> # >>>> ############################################## >>>> >>>> # somone wrote, "color prompt is turned off by default to not distract >>>> # the user: the focus in a terminal window should be on the output of >>>> # commands, not on the prompt" >>>> # Mike Miller disagrees -- when looking at the scrollback in the >>>> # command window, the focus often is on the prompt because the prompt >>>> # shows where the commands are. >>>> force_color_prompt=yes >>>> >>>> if [ -n "$force_color_prompt" ]; then >>>> if [ -x /usr/bin/tput ] && tput setaf 1 >&/dev/null; then >>>> # We have color support; assume it's compliant with Ecma-48 >>>> # (ISO/IEC-6429). (Lack of such support is extremely rare, and such >>>> # a case would tend to support setf rather than setaf.) >>>> color_prompt=yes >>>> else >>>> color_prompt=no >>>> fi >>>> fi >>>> >>>> if [ "$color_prompt" = yes ]; then >>>> if [ "$multi_history" = "yes" ]; then >>>> # add tty info to prompt for multi_history >>>> PS1="\[\e]0;\u@\h : $(tty) : \w\a\]\n\[\e[32m\]\u@\h\[\e[ >>>> 34m\]:\[\e[36m\]$(tty) >>>> \[\e[33m\]\w\[\e[0m\]\n\$ " >>>> else >>>> PS1='\[\e]0;\u@\h: \w\a\]\n\[\e[32m\]\u@\h >>>> \[\e[33m\]\w\[\e[0m\]\n\$ ' >>>> fi >>>> else >>>> if [ "$multi_history" = "yes" ]; then >>>> # add tty info to prompt for multi_history >>>> PS1='\n\u@\h $(tty) \w\n\$ ' >>>> else >>>> PS1='\n\u@\h \w\n\$ ' >>>> fi >>>> fi >>>> unset color_prompt force_color_prompt >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > -- > http://mtu.net/~jpschewe > From stuporglue at gmail.com Thu Jan 9 08:16:51 2014 From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 08:16:51 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Use php5-cgi only for a specific directory? Message-ID: Hi all, I'm a little stuck on an Apache configuration issue. I'm using Ubuntu as my server. I am using PHP as an Apache module for most of my site (and that's working great), but I have an application (mapserver) that needs to use PHP in CGI mode. I'd like to use CGI just for the mapserver directory. I'm using the php_sapi_name() function to determine how PHP is being served. print php_sapi_name(); With the PHP module disabled, PHP is served/interpreted correctly with CGI. If I enable the PHP Apache module it is served/interpreted correctly with the Apache module. So, I have both pieces working, I just can't figure out how to specify which to use for a specific directory. Most of the search results I've found assume that I don't have CGI working or that I wish to switch between the two. I tried disabling PHP in the specific directory, but then the PHP file is sent to the browser without being interpreted. php_admin_value engine Off How can I tell Apache to serve PHP in /path/to/cgi/application/ using CGI? Thanks, Michael Moore -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrew.krull at gmail.com Thu Jan 9 08:35:18 2014 From: andrew.krull at gmail.com (Andrew Krull) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 08:35:18 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Use php5-cgi only for a specific directory? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have not used this myself and doing a quick search yielded something on using the SetHandler option? (about a 3rd of the way down the page - Changing the Handler for Files) http://docs.webfaction.com/software/static.html ~Andrew Krull On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Michael Moore wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm a little stuck on an Apache configuration issue. I'm using Ubuntu as > my server. > > > I am using PHP as an Apache module for most of my site (and that's working > great), but I have an application (mapserver) that needs to use PHP in CGI > mode. I'd like to use CGI just for the mapserver directory. > > I'm using the php_sapi_name() function to determine how PHP is being > served. > > print php_sapi_name(); > > > With the PHP module disabled, PHP is served/interpreted correctly with > CGI. > > If I enable the PHP Apache module it is served/interpreted correctly with > the Apache module. > > > So, I have both pieces working, I just can't figure out how to specify > which to use for a specific directory. Most of the search results I've > found assume that I don't have CGI working or that I wish to switch between > the two. > > I tried disabling PHP in the specific directory, but then the PHP file is > sent to the browser without being interpreted. > > > php_admin_value engine Off > > > How can I tell Apache to serve PHP in /path/to/cgi/application/ using CGI? > > > Thanks, > > Michael Moore > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Thu Jan 9 09:55:57 2014 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 09:55:57 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] dsl jack a speaker? Message-ID: no speakers, daughter listening to dsl jack on the wall while son playing online game. she recognized the music from the game! well ok there's quite possibly a loop of wire in there, and a metal screw in the center of the plastic cover. but still, generating audible sound from the dsl packets? yow! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Thu Jan 9 10:24:19 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 10:24:19 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] dsl jack a speaker? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6BC648A1-FC8A-452C-928E-0047F39E7B4B@me.com> I doubt that was the case. My best bet was the bass was vibrating it through the wall. On Jan 9, 2014, at 9:55 AM, gregrwm wrote: > no speakers, daughter listening to dsl jack on the wall while son playing online game. she recognized the music from the game! > > well ok there's quite possibly a loop of wire in there, and a metal screw in the center of the plastic cover. but still, generating audible sound from the dsl packets? yow! > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erikerik at gmail.com Thu Jan 9 10:31:38 2014 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 10:31:38 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] dsl jack a speaker? In-Reply-To: <6BC648A1-FC8A-452C-928E-0047F39E7B4B@me.com> References: <6BC648A1-FC8A-452C-928E-0047F39E7B4B@me.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I doubt that was the case. My best bet was the bass was vibrating it > through the wall. Agreed. Another remote possibility is some sort of grounding issue where RF from the sound card that got transmitted down the ethernet cable and caused some sort of resonation in the DSL modem. -Erik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Thu Jan 9 13:14:46 2014 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 13:14:46 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] dsl jack a speaker? Message-ID: > > no speakers, daughter listening to dsl jack on the wall while son playing > online game. she recognized the music from the game! > > well ok there's quite possibly a loop of wire in there, and a metal screw > in the center of the plastic cover. but still, generating audible sound > from the dsl packets? yow! > > I doubt that was the case. My best bet was the bass was vibrating it > through the wall. > dsl jack behind a desk centered on exterior wall, modem and computer in different corners of opposite wall. you are supposing the bass was generated how/where? Another remote possibility is some sort of grounding issue where RF from > the sound card that got transmitted down the ethernet cable and caused some > sort of resonation in the DSL modem. > my first guess was the sound card generating some sound even without any speakers, and sound does hug walls, but hearing that from the opposite side of the room around 2 corners not to mention windows, doors and other obstacles and behind a desk? i shooed her out to get under there myself, and indeed heard a teeny weeny tinny musicalish sound seemingly coming from the surfacemount phonejack, but like all the best woowoo stories it stopped before i could scooch the desk and get my ear to the jack, and thereafter neither of us heard it again.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuporglue at gmail.com Thu Jan 9 15:35:13 2014 From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 15:35:13 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Use php5-cgi only for a specific directory? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Andrew Krull wrote: > I have not used this myself and doing a quick search yielded something on > using the SetHandler option? (about a 3rd of the way down the page - > Changing the Handler for Files) > > http://docs.webfaction.com/software/static.html > > Thank you, I'm not sure what I was doing wrong yesterday, but that worked and I was able to make changes from there. I ended up doing this: Action php-cgi /cgi-bin/php AddHandler php-cgi .php and everything seems to be good now. -- Michael Moore > ~Andrew Krull > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Michael Moore wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I'm a little stuck on an Apache configuration issue. I'm using Ubuntu as >> my server. >> >> >> I am using PHP as an Apache module for most of my site (and that's >> working great), but I have an application (mapserver) that needs to use PHP >> in CGI mode. I'd like to use CGI just for the mapserver directory. >> >> I'm using the php_sapi_name() function to determine how PHP is being >> served. >> >> print php_sapi_name(); >> >> >> With the PHP module disabled, PHP is served/interpreted correctly with >> CGI. >> >> If I enable the PHP Apache module it is served/interpreted correctly with >> the Apache module. >> >> >> So, I have both pieces working, I just can't figure out how to specify >> which to use for a specific directory. 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URL: From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Thu Jan 9 21:33:45 2014 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 21:33:45 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Monitoring a bunch of remote UPS units In-Reply-To: <475D507B-E5A2-4D83-93EC-2B2FA2C263A1@me.com> References: <475D507B-E5A2-4D83-93EC-2B2FA2C263A1@me.com> Message-ID: <52CF6A19.40902@tomobiki.dyndns.org> Have you considered using something like openvpn to connect the various servers together. Then you could use what every UPS monitor you wanted. Joseph From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Thu Jan 9 23:07:10 2014 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 23:07:10 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Monitoring a bunch of remote UPS units In-Reply-To: <475D507B-E5A2-4D83-93EC-2B2FA2C263A1@me.com> References: <475D507B-E5A2-4D83-93EC-2B2FA2C263A1@me.com> Message-ID: <52CF7FFE.5020100@gmail.com> On 12/30/2013 9:15 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote:: > I have a need to monitor a lot of UPS units that are installed around the country at customer?s retail sites and I?m trying to figure out if NUT will do the job for me. > Not sure the brand/model of UPS's you are using, but if possible I recommend installing a network management card into each ups. It's well worth the money. From n0nas at amsat.org Thu Jan 9 23:54:56 2014 From: n0nas at amsat.org (Doug Reed) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 23:54:56 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 109, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't know what the exact issue is, but I will throw in two cents worth. DSL uses "excess" bandwidth on the twisted pair copper phone wires leaving your house. In this case, the "excess" bandwidth is starting somewhere above 10KHz and going up to several Megahertz, typically well above the AM broadcast band. The DSL signal starts just above the usual telephone audio band and would be audible noise in your telephone if you didn't use the filters they ship with the DSL modem. I've had small transformers and inductors generate noise before, particularly when it was tones above the usual voice range, and a kind of "spiky" waveform. This is fairly common where the wire winding on the transformer is a bit loose or where it wasn't painted with shellac or something that would prevent vibration. As a quick fix, I've used a layer of Crazy Glue to glue the wires in place so they couldn't vibrate any more. If there is a DSL filter built into the jack or there is a DSL filter module attached at the wall jack, I wouldn't be too surprised if the wire in one of the inductors in the filter was vibrating in time to one of the DSL signal components and you could hear it in a quiet room. It should tend to be just the high pitch sounds and would not approach full fidelity, but I wouldn't find it hard to believe. If you want hard to believe, I live less than 1 mile from the KSTP AM towers in Maplewood. One time about 30 years ago, on a very quiet summer night, I'd swear I was hearing KSTP audio from the rusty rain gutters outside the kitchen windows. I suppose it could have been coming from the hot water radiator under the windows.... I never did figure out what that could have been vibrating to convert RF to air movement.... Doug. From ryanjcole at me.com Thu Jan 9 23:59:00 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 23:59:00 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Monitoring a bunch of remote UPS units In-Reply-To: <52CF7FFE.5020100@gmail.com> References: <475D507B-E5A2-4D83-93EC-2B2FA2C263A1@me.com> <52CF7FFE.5020100@gmail.com> Message-ID: We?re using VPN options but LAN cards aren?t viable. The cost is prohibitive for that, I fear. USB is the only real viable connection On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:07 PM, B-o-B De Mars wrote: > On 12/30/2013 9:15 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote:: >> I have a need to monitor a lot of UPS units that are installed around the country at customer?s retail sites and I?m trying to figure out if NUT will do the job for me. >> > > Not sure the brand/model of UPS's you are using, but if possible I recommend installing a network management card into each ups. It's well worth the money. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Sat Jan 11 14:33:11 2014 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 14:33:11 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] For Free Message-ID: <52D1AA87.70907@tomobiki.dyndns.org> I have, 1 Digital Alphastation 200 1 HP C240 Risc computer 1 Silicon Graphic O2 for free. Joseph Key From chrome at real-time.com Mon Jan 13 16:08:03 2014 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 17:08:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations for linux router devices Message-ID: <20140113220803.GA66672@real-time.com> So it seems that my Buffalo router running DD-WRT is starting to flake out. It drops about 1-2% of its packets. Replacing it with an ancient cobbled-together linux box (still around as a backup from the last time my router device went belly-up) solved most of the packet loss (tho not all). So I need recommendations based on people's experiences with the latest generation of router devices. I'm sick of building linux routers out of desktop machines, and would rather run something on a small solid-state device. I remember Soekris boxen got some attention when they were new. http://soekris.com/products.html These look pretty modern: http://soekris.com/products/net6501.html They're spendy, but hopefully it's good-quality hardware which I won't have to replace every few years because it dies. Does anyone have recommendations on hardware that: a: runs linux b: is likely to keep running instead of dying after a few years c: is cheaper than the above Soekris solution ? -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From admin at lctn.org Tue Jan 14 12:03:18 2014 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 12:03:18 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations for linux router devices In-Reply-To: <20140113220803.GA66672@real-time.com> References: <20140113220803.GA66672@real-time.com> Message-ID: <52D57BE6.5010001@lctn.org> Routerboard 750G is a great little box. can be configured for just about anything. On 01/13/2014 04:08 PM, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > So it seems that my Buffalo router running DD-WRT is starting to flake out. > It drops about 1-2% of its packets. Replacing it with an ancient > cobbled-together linux box (still around as a backup from the last time my > router device went belly-up) solved most of the packet loss (tho not all). > > So I need recommendations based on people's experiences with the latest > generation of router devices. I'm sick of building linux routers out of > desktop machines, and would rather run something on a small solid-state > device. > > I remember Soekris boxen got some attention when they were new. > http://soekris.com/products.html > These look pretty modern: > http://soekris.com/products/net6501.html > > They're spendy, but hopefully it's good-quality hardware which I won't have > to replace every few years because it dies. > > Does anyone have recommendations on hardware that: > a: runs linux > b: is likely to keep running instead of dying after a few years > c: is cheaper than the above Soekris solution > ? > -- Raymond Norton LCTN 952.955.7766 Sent from My Desktop From ryanjcole at me.com Tue Jan 14 12:11:56 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 12:11:56 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations for linux router devices In-Reply-To: <52D57BE6.5010001@lctn.org> References: <20140113220803.GA66672@real-time.com> <52D57BE6.5010001@lctn.org> Message-ID: <2EE36EAA-1BBC-4632-A729-4893D422787C@me.com> I?m a fan of the pfSense devices (NetGate sells a good PC Engines board combo) and it?s pretty powerful but not the most on the market. Plus it runs FreeBSD 8.2 (not for the Linux purists, I imagine). I?m installing a few hundred of these out there for a customer?s super building security network and I?m using it at home and the bar now instead of my Apple hardware. It?s $200/box, though. You can get the software for free from pfsense.org. On Jan 14, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Raymond Norton wrote: > Routerboard 750G is a great little box. can be configured for just about anything. > > > > On 01/13/2014 04:08 PM, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: >> So it seems that my Buffalo router running DD-WRT is starting to flake out. >> It drops about 1-2% of its packets. Replacing it with an ancient >> cobbled-together linux box (still around as a backup from the last time my >> router device went belly-up) solved most of the packet loss (tho not all). >> >> So I need recommendations based on people's experiences with the latest >> generation of router devices. I'm sick of building linux routers out of >> desktop machines, and would rather run something on a small solid-state >> device. >> >> I remember Soekris boxen got some attention when they were new. >> http://soekris.com/products.html >> These look pretty modern: >> http://soekris.com/products/net6501.html >> >> They're spendy, but hopefully it's good-quality hardware which I won't have >> to replace every few years because it dies. >> >> Does anyone have recommendations on hardware that: >> a: runs linux >> b: is likely to keep running instead of dying after a few years >> c: is cheaper than the above Soekris solution >> ? >> > > -- > Raymond Norton > LCTN > 952.955.7766 > > Sent from My Desktop > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From cdf123 at cdf123.net Tue Jan 14 12:50:33 2014 From: cdf123 at cdf123.net (Chris Frederick) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 12:50:33 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations for linux router devices In-Reply-To: <2EE36EAA-1BBC-4632-A729-4893D422787C@me.com> References: <20140113220803.GA66672@real-time.com> <52D57BE6.5010001@lctn.org> <2EE36EAA-1BBC-4632-A729-4893D422787C@me.com> Message-ID: <52D586F9.3050606@cdf123.net> I've got a Alix 2d13 from NetGate/PC Engines and it's working good with pfsense. I'm in the middle of swapping out the OS for a Linux distro instead of pfSense due to it's lack of features and hardware support. Need IPv6 and Wireless N support, which those aren't in pfSense yet. Was looking into an embedded gentoo, but switching to buildroot for ease of deployment. Hardware is pretty good, and I'm happy with it. On 01/14/14 12:11, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I?m a fan of the pfSense devices (NetGate sells a good PC Engines board combo) and it?s pretty powerful but not the most on the market. Plus it runs FreeBSD 8.2 (not for the Linux purists, I imagine). > > I?m installing a few hundred of these out there for a customer?s super building security network and I?m using it at home and the bar now instead of my Apple hardware. > > It?s $200/box, though. You can get the software for free from pfsense.org. > > > On Jan 14, 2014, at 12:03 PM, Raymond Norton wrote: > >> Routerboard 750G is a great little box. can be configured for just about anything. >> >> >> >> On 01/13/2014 04:08 PM, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: >>> So it seems that my Buffalo router running DD-WRT is starting to flake out. >>> It drops about 1-2% of its packets. Replacing it with an ancient >>> cobbled-together linux box (still around as a backup from the last time my >>> router device went belly-up) solved most of the packet loss (tho not all). >>> >>> So I need recommendations based on people's experiences with the latest >>> generation of router devices. I'm sick of building linux routers out of >>> desktop machines, and would rather run something on a small solid-state >>> device. >>> >>> I remember Soekris boxen got some attention when they were new. >>> http://soekris.com/products.html >>> These look pretty modern: >>> http://soekris.com/products/net6501.html >>> >>> They're spendy, but hopefully it's good-quality hardware which I won't have >>> to replace every few years because it dies. >>> >>> Does anyone have recommendations on hardware that: >>> a: runs linux >>> b: is likely to keep running instead of dying after a few years >>> c: is cheaper than the above Soekris solution >>> ? >>> >> >> -- >> Raymond Norton >> LCTN >> 952.955.7766 >> >> Sent from My Desktop >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From erikerik at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 13:37:42 2014 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 13:37:42 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations for linux router devices In-Reply-To: <20140113220803.GA66672@real-time.com> References: <20140113220803.GA66672@real-time.com> Message-ID: Third recommendation for the PCEngines ALIX board / pfSense combo. It really can't be beat in terms of performance, cost, stability, ease of use, and flexibility. I've been running pfSense on an ALIX 2d3 board for years (5-6?) now at home, and have deployed many of the same setup in SMB environments. I've seamlessly upgraded through several revisions of pfSense, and haven't had a single issue. pfSense will do nearly any network-related function you want it to, vlans, traffic shaping, policy routing, load balancing, BGP, Squid, OpenVPN, IPSec, etc. in addition to all of the standard routing/firewall bits that you'd expect. At work, I'm running pfSense on a Soekris board, only because I needed 4 physical interfaces and the ALIX boards top out at three interfaces. The soekris boards are very nice as well, but are more expensive, and for most home/small business use, are more hardware than is really needed. -Erik On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom < chrome at real-time.com> wrote: > So it seems that my Buffalo router running DD-WRT is starting to flake out. > It drops about 1-2% of its packets. Replacing it with an ancient > cobbled-together linux box (still around as a backup from the last time my > router device went belly-up) solved most of the packet loss (tho not all). > > So I need recommendations based on people's experiences with the latest > generation of router devices. I'm sick of building linux routers out of > desktop machines, and would rather run something on a small solid-state > device. > > I remember Soekris boxen got some attention when they were new. > http://soekris.com/products.html > These look pretty modern: > http://soekris.com/products/net6501.html > > They're spendy, but hopefully it's good-quality hardware which I won't have > to replace every few years because it dies. > > Does anyone have recommendations on hardware that: > a: runs linux > b: is likely to keep running instead of dying after a few years > c: is cheaper than the above Soekris solution > ? > > -- > Carl Soderstrom > Systems Administrator > Real-Time Enterprises > www.real-time.com > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 13:45:49 2014 From: ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com (Ryan Dunlop) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 13:45:49 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations for linux router devices In-Reply-To: References: <20140113220803.GA66672@real-time.com> <5877D7C7-A5AF-476F-834F-03CDFA4AC29F@me.com> Message-ID: I also use pfSense at home and work. At work it's virtualized (ESXi) and at home it's on a netgate device. Runs great on very little hardware. IPv6 has been up and running stable on 2.1 (was doable before then but now it's fully implemented). Wireless N is up to the BSD folks to get drivers set, although a B/G/N card will be recognized it won't run at N speeds. All the goods Erik points out and my OpenVPN tunnels stay stable forever if needed on very low specs. Highly suggest checking it out. On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Erik Anderson wrote: > On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > >> Hmm. Can you send a link to this hardware? >> > > It's this one: > > http://soekris.com/products/net5501.html > > I got the -60 model, which has 256MB RAM and a 433MHz CPU. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at lctn.org Tue Jan 14 13:49:01 2014 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 13:49:01 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations for linux router devices In-Reply-To: References: <20140113220803.GA66672@real-time.com> <5877D7C7-A5AF-476F-834F-03CDFA4AC29F@me.com> Message-ID: <52D594AD.6060509@lctn.org> Just an FYI: The Routerboard 750G is under $70.00: http://www.roc-noc.com/mikrotik/routerboard/rb750g.html Very versatile and easy to work with. On 01/14/2014 01:45 PM, Ryan Dunlop wrote: > I also use pfSense at home and work. At work it's virtualized (ESXi) > and at home it's on a netgate device. Runs great on very little > hardware. > > IPv6 has been up and running stable on 2.1 (was doable before then but > now it's fully implemented). Wireless N is up to the BSD folks to get > drivers set, although a B/G/N card will be recognized it won't run at > N speeds. All the goods Erik points out and my OpenVPN tunnels stay > stable forever if needed on very low specs. Highly suggest checking > it out. > > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Erik Anderson > wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Ryan Coleman > wrote: > > Hmm. Can you send a link to this hardware? > > > It's this one: > > http://soekris.com/products/net5501.html > > I got the -60 model, which has 256MB RAM and a 433MHz CPU. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Raymond Norton LCTN 952.955.7766 Sent from My Desktop -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From canito at dalan.us Tue Jan 14 15:29:49 2014 From: canito at dalan.us (canito at dalan.us) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 15:29:49 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations for linux router devices In-Reply-To: <52D594AD.6060509@lctn.org> References: <20140113220803.GA66672@real-time.com> <5877D7C7-A5AF-476F-834F-03CDFA4AC29F@me.com> <52D594AD.6060509@lctn.org> Message-ID: <20140114152949.Horde.z3cwUhUvE14dcTmiVWoyEg9@mail.dalan.us> Quoting Raymond Norton : > Just an FYI: The Routerboard 750G is under $70.00: > > http://www.roc-noc.com/mikrotik/routerboard/rb750g.html > > Very versatile and easy to work with. > > > On 01/14/2014 01:45 PM, Ryan Dunlop wrote: >> I also use pfSense at home and work. At work it's virtualized >> (ESXi) and at home it's on a netgate device. Runs great on very >> little hardware. >> >> IPv6 has been up and running stable on 2.1 (was doable before then >> but now it's fully implemented). Wireless N is up to the BSD folks >> to get drivers set, although a B/G/N card will be recognized it >> won't run at N speeds. All the goods Erik points out and my OpenVPN >> tunnels stay stable forever if needed on very low specs. Highly >> suggest checking it out. >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Erik Anderson > > wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Ryan Coleman > > wrote: >> >> Hmm. Can you send a link to this hardware? >> >> >> It's this one: >> >> http://soekris.com/products/net5501.html >> >> I got the -60 model, which has 256MB RAM and a 433MHz CPU. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- > Raymond Norton > LCTN > 952.955.7766 > > Sent from My Desktop I used to be a big fan of SnapGear and acquired a couple. If anyone is interested, the unit information can be read below. http://www.securecomputing.com/index.cfm?sKey=1558 SDA From erikerik at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 16:02:21 2014 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 16:02:21 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations for linux router devices In-Reply-To: <20140114152949.Horde.z3cwUhUvE14dcTmiVWoyEg9@mail.dalan.us> References: <20140113220803.GA66672@real-time.com> <5877D7C7-A5AF-476F-834F-03CDFA4AC29F@me.com> <52D594AD.6060509@lctn.org> <20140114152949.Horde.z3cwUhUvE14dcTmiVWoyEg9@mail.dalan.us> Message-ID: On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 3:29 PM, wrote: > I used to be a big fan of SnapGear and acquired a couple. What happened to make you not a fan any longer? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have three CISCO routers from my CCNA lab and a couple of AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition with 16Gig memory and mobo. Also have two really nice BIOSTAR IPV10-IA Mini ITX Server Motherboard Intel NM10 DDR3 800 no longer in use. I'll probably take pictures later today and put them up for sale. Thanks, SDA From cdf123 at cdf123.net Tue Jan 14 17:39:42 2014 From: cdf123 at cdf123.net (Chris Frederick) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 17:39:42 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations for linux router devices In-Reply-To: References: <20140113220803.GA66672@real-time.com> <5877D7C7-A5AF-476F-834F-03CDFA4AC29F@me.com> Message-ID: <52D5CABE.8020102@cdf123.net> I was running the 2.1 release, IPv6 is good for tunneling and basic setups, but it was unusable in bridged mode with an existing radvd. I think it was a firewall rule issue, but after trying for a few days, I just gave up. I was using a Atheros based wireless chipset that didn't have drivers until FreeBSD 9.x, and I believe pfSense is still 8.2 based. Card was recognized, but I couldn't assign addresses or bring it up. Other cards might behave nicer, just my experience. Bought a B/G card that's been running fine since then, but rebuilding with Linux will let me use the B/G/N. On 01/14/14 13:45, Ryan Dunlop wrote: > I also use pfSense at home and work. At work it's virtualized (ESXi) and > at home it's on a netgate device. Runs great on very little hardware. > > IPv6 has been up and running stable on 2.1 (was doable before then but now > it's fully implemented). Wireless N is up to the BSD folks to get drivers > set, although a B/G/N card will be recognized it won't run at N speeds. All > the goods Erik points out and my OpenVPN tunnels stay stable forever if > needed on very low specs. Highly suggest checking it out. > > > On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Erik Anderson wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> >>> Hmm. Can you send a link to this hardware? >>> >> >> It's this one: >> >> http://soekris.com/products/net5501.html >> >> I got the -60 model, which has 256MB RAM and a 433MHz CPU. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From ryanjcole at me.com Tue Jan 14 17:47:51 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 17:47:51 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations for linux router devices In-Reply-To: <52D5CABE.8020102@cdf123.net> References: <20140113220803.GA66672@real-time.com> <5877D7C7-A5AF-476F-834F-03CDFA4AC29F@me.com> <52D5CABE.8020102@cdf123.net> Message-ID: I will pipe in that it is still 8.2 based, ESXi is no longer an option (but you can download 2.0 and upgrade to 2.1 and beyond - when the time comes). I suspect the drivers will only come out if someone writes them - or they upgrade the build to 9 (and I think there?s a reason they haven?t? I want NetGate to ship with 32GB card instead of a 4GB but they ship what pfSense has images for; grr). I have no need for built-in wireless. That?s where external multi-SSID PoE-based routers come into play. I?m going to write an interface that allows updating password for the bar, we don?t need them for the offices or retail. And I definitely don?t want it for my home (which is all Apple products anyway). The big loser is the lack of APCUPSd support. I wish I could get it to work without breaking the firewall itself. NUT is nice but not perfect. I?m still working with it to see how to properly monitor in a bigger network. It will do the job, probably better, I just have to figure it out first. On Jan 14, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Chris Frederick wrote: > I was running the 2.1 release, IPv6 is good for tunneling and basic setups, but it was unusable in bridged mode with an existing radvd. I think it was a firewall rule issue, but after trying for a few days, I just gave up. > > I was using a Atheros based wireless chipset that didn't have drivers until FreeBSD 9.x, and I believe pfSense is still 8.2 based. Card was recognized, but I couldn't assign addresses or bring it up. Other cards might behave nicer, just my experience. Bought a B/G card that's been running fine since then, but rebuilding with Linux will let me use the B/G/N. > > On 01/14/14 13:45, Ryan Dunlop wrote: >> I also use pfSense at home and work. At work it's virtualized (ESXi) and >> at home it's on a netgate device. Runs great on very little hardware. >> >> IPv6 has been up and running stable on 2.1 (was doable before then but now >> it's fully implemented). Wireless N is up to the BSD folks to get drivers >> set, although a B/G/N card will be recognized it won't run at N speeds. All >> the goods Erik points out and my OpenVPN tunnels stay stable forever if >> needed on very low specs. Highly suggest checking it out. >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Erik Anderson wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: >>> >>>> Hmm. Can you send a link to this hardware? >>>> >>> >>> It's this one: >>> >>> http://soekris.com/products/net5501.html >>> >>> I got the -60 model, which has 256MB RAM and a 433MHz CPU. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From chrome at real-time.com Wed Jan 15 17:05:57 2014 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 18:05:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations for linux router devices In-Reply-To: <20140114152949.Horde.z3cwUhUvE14dcTmiVWoyEg9@mail.dalan.us> References: <20140113220803.GA66672@real-time.com> <5877D7C7-A5AF-476F-834F-03CDFA4AC29F@me.com> <52D594AD.6060509@lctn.org> <20140114152949.Horde.z3cwUhUvE14dcTmiVWoyEg9@mail.dalan.us> Message-ID: <20140115230557.GA81037@real-time.com> Thanks a lot for all the recommendations. As it turned out, there wasn't a problem with the router, there was a bad combination of attenuators on the pole outside. (Apparently if there's too much difference between uplink signal strength and downlink signal strength that can cause issues. At least that's what they told me at one point.) So the techs replaced some attenuators, gave me a new cable 'modem'* and my connection problems are much better (until the next time). * I hate calling anything a modem that doesn't actually MODulate/DEModulate an acoustic signal. However, it's the term that most everyone uses, so I must as well if I wish to be understood. -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Jan 15 17:23:33 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 17:23:33 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations for linux router devices In-Reply-To: <20140115230557.GA81037@real-time.com> References: <20140113220803.GA66672@real-time.com> <5877D7C7-A5AF-476F-834F-03CDFA4AC29F@me.com> <52D594AD.6060509@lctn.org> <20140114152949.Horde.z3cwUhUvE14dcTmiVWoyEg9@mail.dalan.us> <20140115230557.GA81037@real-time.com> Message-ID: We call them Bridges, actually? Only lesser species call them Modems. :) On Jan 15, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > * I hate calling anything a modem that doesn't actually MODulate/DEModulate > an acoustic signal. 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However, it's the term that most everyone uses, so I > must as well if I wish to be understood. > I thought anything that modulated an analog signal to a digital signal (and the reverse) was a modem. It may not be audible, but it is an analog signal. -- Jay Kline jay at slushpupie.com Sent from my mobile device -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chrome at real-time.com Thu Jan 16 07:55:34 2014 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:55:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations for linux router devices In-Reply-To: References: <20140113220803.GA66672@real-time.com> <5877D7C7-A5AF-476F-834F-03CDFA4AC29F@me.com> <52D594AD.6060509@lctn.org> <20140114152949.Horde.z3cwUhUvE14dcTmiVWoyEg9@mail.dalan.us> <20140115230557.GA81037@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20140116135534.GA86161@real-time.com> On 01/15 07:33 , Jay Kline wrote: > I thought anything that modulated an analog signal to a digital signal (and > the reverse) was a modem. It may not be audible, but it is an analog signal. But in the case of a DSL or cable Internet connection, it is digital on the wire. (Arguably I suppose in the case of a POTS telephone connection it uses discrete tones, so could be called 'digital' since it doesn't use a smooth wave). -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From sulrich at botwerks.org Thu Jan 16 08:12:15 2014 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:12:15 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations for linux router devices In-Reply-To: <20140116135534.GA86161@real-time.com> References: <20140113220803.GA66672@real-time.com> <5877D7C7-A5AF-476F-834F-03CDFA4AC29F@me.com> <52D594AD.6060509@lctn.org> <20140114152949.Horde.z3cwUhUvE14dcTmiVWoyEg9@mail.dalan.us> <20140115230557.GA81037@real-time.com> <20140116135534.GA86161@real-time.com> Message-ID: at the risk of being pedantic DSL is a digital *service*. it still uses high frequency carrier wave modulation (analog signal transmission) to transmit the data. hence the use of modulation/demodulation technology. ADSL happens to modulate frequencies on the line which are outside the normal phone spectrum and it's this spectral separation that allows co-residence with standard analog voice services. other flavors do/don't allow for this but operate on largely the same principles. signal processing is a wonderful thing. On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > On 01/15 07:33 , Jay Kline wrote: >> I thought anything that modulated an analog signal to a digital signal (and >> the reverse) was a modem. It may not be audible, but it is an analog signal. > > But in the case of a DSL or cable Internet connection, it is digital on the > wire. (Arguably I suppose in the case of a POTS telephone connection it uses > discrete tones, so could be called 'digital' since it doesn't use a smooth > wave). > > -- > Carl Soderstrom > Systems Administrator > Real-Time Enterprises > www.real-time.com > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- steve ulrich (sulrich at botwerks.*) From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Jan 16 11:12:48 2014 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 11:12:48 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations for linux router devices In-Reply-To: References: <20140113220803.GA66672@real-time.com> <5877D7C7-A5AF-476F-834F-03CDFA4AC29F@me.com> <52D594AD.6060509@lctn.org> <20140114152949.Horde.z3cwUhUvE14dcTmiVWoyEg9@mail.dalan.us> <20140115230557.GA81037@real-time.com> <20140116135534.GA86161@real-time.com> Message-ID: Similar for cable: it's a down conversion and extraction of the modulation from a carrier. Modem is the proper term for both types, since they extract (demodulate) from one spec to another and different IEEE composite signal . "Bridge" is not. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of steve ulrich > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 8:12 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] recommendations for linux router devices > > at the risk of being pedantic DSL is a digital *service*. it still > uses high frequency carrier wave modulation (analog signal > transmission) to transmit the data. hence the use of > modulation/demodulation technology. ADSL happens to modulate > frequencies on the line which are outside the normal phone spectrum > and it's this spectral separation that allows co-residence with > standard analog voice services. other flavors do/don't allow for this > but operate on largely the same principles. signal processing is a > wonderful thing. > > On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom > wrote: > > On 01/15 07:33 , Jay Kline wrote: > >> I thought anything that modulated an analog signal to a > digital signal (and > >> the reverse) was a modem. It may not be audible, but it is > an analog signal. > > > > But in the case of a DSL or cable Internet connection, it > is digital on the > > wire. (Arguably I suppose in the case of a POTS telephone > connection it uses > > discrete tones, so could be called 'digital' since it > doesn't use a smooth > > wave). > > > > -- > > Carl Soderstrom > > Systems Administrator > > Real-Time Enterprises > > www.real-time.com > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > -- > steve ulrich (sulrich at botwerks.*) > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From chrome at real-time.com Thu Jan 16 11:23:11 2014 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 12:23:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] recommendations for linux router devices In-Reply-To: References: <5877D7C7-A5AF-476F-834F-03CDFA4AC29F@me.com> <52D594AD.6060509@lctn.org> <20140114152949.Horde.z3cwUhUvE14dcTmiVWoyEg9@mail.dalan.us> <20140115230557.GA81037@real-time.com> <20140116135534.GA86161@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20140116172310.GC86161@real-time.com> On 01/16 11:12 , Chuck Cole wrote: > Similar for cable: it's a down conversion and extraction of the modulation > from a carrier. > > Modem is the proper term for both types, since they extract (demodulate) > from one spec to another and different IEEE composite signal . "Bridge" is > not. I stand corrected. Thank you. -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From n0nas at amsat.org Thu Jan 16 12:58:44 2014 From: n0nas at amsat.org (Doug Reed) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 12:58:44 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 109, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have no direct experience with the Ubiquiti router above, but I do like their WiFi products. They used to sell a bare-board router similar to the Soekris boards up until a year or two ago. Some might still be available out there. But I doubt you really need as much performance as the EdgeMax router provides unless you have a very fast pipe. Personally, I settled for a Gigabit switch on the inside of my home router, but I do find that the cheapest option is the one I usually choose... I'll go for the $10 option over the $50 one just about every time... But you are probably used to the features of a Cisco router. You probably want something that will run DD-WRT or OpenWRT again. You still have the option of using a thin client fan-less PC as a homebrew router, similar to what you've been doing but probably drawing less power. Good luck! I'll be interested to read the other suggestions. Doug Reed. From samael.anon at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 19:41:28 2014 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 19:41:28 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 109, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: or a Rasberry PI??? anyone do anything with one of these yet? On Thu, Jan 16, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Doug Reed wrote: > > < > http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=ubiquiti+edgemax > > > > I have no direct experience with the Ubiquiti router above, but I do > like their WiFi products. They used to sell a bare-board router > similar to the Soekris boards up until a year or two ago. Some might > still be available out there. > > But I doubt you really need as much performance as the EdgeMax router > provides unless you have a very fast pipe. Personally, I settled for a > Gigabit switch on the inside of my home router, but I do find that the > cheapest option is the one I usually choose... I'll go for the $10 > option over the $50 one just about every time... > > But you are probably used to the features of a Cisco router. You > probably want something that will run DD-WRT or OpenWRT again. You > still have the option of using a thin client fan-less PC as a homebrew > router, similar to what you've been doing but probably drawing less > power. > > Good luck! I'll be interested to read the other suggestions. > > Doug Reed. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robotsondrugs at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 20:58:21 2014 From: robotsondrugs at gmail.com (Andrew Berg) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 20:58:21 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Any interest in a FreeBSD talk at the next meeting? Message-ID: <52D89C4D.5050103@gmail.com> Since the next meeting is all about ZFS and I will be bringing my machine running FreeBSD and ZFS on root, and because of the release of FreeBSD 10 (builds have started; I expect there will be an official announcement in the next day or two), I thought I'd give a short talk on FreeBSD if there is some interest. Things I would cover: - Philosophical differences between Linux and the BSDs (mostly design and technical aspects, but I will touch on licensing) - Upgrades/updates to the base system vs. updates/upgrades to third-party software and package management (ports/pkgng) in FreeBSD - Some cool new things in FreeBSD 10 - An overview of the other BSDs - Any questions you may have I'm open to suggestions as well, so let me know if you'd like me to go over anything else. From canito at dalan.us Fri Jan 17 06:39:45 2014 From: canito at dalan.us (canito at dalan.us) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 06:39:45 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Any interest in a FreeBSD talk at the next meeting? In-Reply-To: <52D89C4D.5050103@gmail.com> References: <52D89C4D.5050103@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20140117063945.Horde.RcFwKGPJkDJV78tDr949Qw9@mail.dalan.us> Quoting Andrew Berg : > Since the next meeting is all about ZFS and I will be bringing my > machine running FreeBSD and ZFS on root, and because of the release of > FreeBSD 10 (builds have started; I expect there will be an official > announcement in the next day or two), I thought I'd give a short > talk on > FreeBSD if there is some interest. Things I would cover: > > - Philosophical differences between Linux and the BSDs (mostly > design and technical aspects, but I will touch on licensing) > - Upgrades/updates to the base system vs. updates/upgrades to > third-party software and package management (ports/pkgng) in FreeBSD > - Some cool new things in FreeBSD 10 > - An overview of the other BSDs > - Any questions you may have > > I'm open to suggestions as well, so let me know if you'd like me to > go over anything else. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list Hi Andrew- I'd be interested to know where FreeBSD stands as a desktop? In years past I read that PCBSD was making strides, but why would I want to it as a desktop now? I don't know if this is an appropriate venue to ask this question? I know FreeBSD rawks as a stand alone server. One complain from a friend year back is that it didn't really have a strong support for virtualization and clustering. Also, interested in hearing the original topic on ZFS. Thanks, SDA From andrew.krull at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 07:41:42 2014 From: andrew.krull at gmail.com (Andrew Krull) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 07:41:42 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Any interest in a FreeBSD talk at the next meeting? In-Reply-To: <20140117063945.Horde.RcFwKGPJkDJV78tDr949Qw9@mail.dalan.us> References: <52D89C4D.5050103@gmail.com> <20140117063945.Horde.RcFwKGPJkDJV78tDr949Qw9@mail.dalan.us> Message-ID: I too would be interested in hearing about FreeBSD. I am new to the LUG... when and where is the next meeting taking place? Thank you. ~Andrew On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 6:39 AM, wrote: > > Quoting Andrew Berg : > > Since the next meeting is all about ZFS and I will be bringing my machine >> running FreeBSD and ZFS on root, and because of the release of >> FreeBSD 10 (builds have started; I expect there will be an official >> announcement in the next day or two), I thought I'd give a short talk on >> FreeBSD if there is some interest. Things I would cover: >> >> - Philosophical differences between Linux and the BSDs (mostly design and >> technical aspects, but I will touch on licensing) >> - Upgrades/updates to the base system vs. updates/upgrades to third-party >> software and package management (ports/pkgng) in FreeBSD >> - Some cool new things in FreeBSD 10 >> - An overview of the other BSDs >> - Any questions you may have >> >> I'm open to suggestions as well, so let me know if you'd like me to go >> over anything else. >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > Hi Andrew- > > I'd be interested to know where FreeBSD stands as a desktop? In years past > I read that PCBSD was making strides, but why would I want to it as a > desktop now? I don't know if this is an appropriate venue to ask this > question? I know FreeBSD rawks as a stand alone server. One complain from a > friend year back is that it didn't really have a strong support for > virtualization and clustering. Also, interested in hearing the original > topic on ZFS. > > Thanks, > SDA > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.a.frisk at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 08:29:28 2014 From: john.a.frisk at gmail.com (John Frisk) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 08:29:28 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Any interest in a FreeBSD talk at the next meeting? In-Reply-To: References: <52D89C4D.5050103@gmail.com> <20140117063945.Horde.RcFwKGPJkDJV78tDr949Qw9@mail.dalan.us> Message-ID: As moderator I want to give Thomas and company speaking about ZFS their time to present and have a good Q&A since ZFS was a popular topic during the month of December. I encourage folks to feel free to talk about FreeBSD after ZFS is done. We can always talk about it over a beverage (maybe next door at Stouts) too if we need to leave the building. If there is big interest we can use a future meeting time to talk about FreeBSD (and compare it to Linux since this is a Linux User Group). As for next meeting location: http://www.penguinsunbound.com/Meetings On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Andrew Krull wrote: > I too would be interested in hearing about FreeBSD. I am new to the LUG... > when and where is the next meeting taking place? > > Thank you. > > ~Andrew > > > On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 6:39 AM, wrote: > >> >> Quoting Andrew Berg : >> >> Since the next meeting is all about ZFS and I will be bringing my >>> machine running FreeBSD and ZFS on root, and because of the release of >>> FreeBSD 10 (builds have started; I expect there will be an official >>> announcement in the next day or two), I thought I'd give a short talk on >>> FreeBSD if there is some interest. Things I would cover: >>> >>> - Philosophical differences between Linux and the BSDs (mostly design >>> and technical aspects, but I will touch on licensing) >>> - Upgrades/updates to the base system vs. updates/upgrades to >>> third-party software and package management (ports/pkgng) in FreeBSD >>> - Some cool new things in FreeBSD 10 >>> - An overview of the other BSDs >>> - Any questions you may have >>> >>> I'm open to suggestions as well, so let me know if you'd like me to go >>> over anything else. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> Hi Andrew- >> >> I'd be interested to know where FreeBSD stands as a desktop? In years >> past I read that PCBSD was making strides, but why would I want to it as a >> desktop now? I don't know if this is an appropriate venue to ask this >> question? I know FreeBSD rawks as a stand alone server. One complain from a >> friend year back is that it didn't really have a strong support for >> virtualization and clustering. Also, interested in hearing the original >> topic on ZFS. >> >> Thanks, >> SDA >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From samael.anon at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 11:53:56 2014 From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 11:53:56 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Any interest in a FreeBSD talk at the next meeting? In-Reply-To: References: <52D89C4D.5050103@gmail.com> <20140117063945.Horde.RcFwKGPJkDJV78tDr949Qw9@mail.dalan.us> Message-ID: GhostBSD is nice, come with the option of openbox GUI. Also, on a unrelated topic Chrunchbang Linux is pretty sweet. I brought it up because it reminds me of OpenBSD/FreeBSD as I usually try and run them with as little overhead as possible; due to my use on old and virtual machines. On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 8:29 AM, John Frisk wrote: > As moderator I want to give Thomas and company speaking about ZFS their > time to present and have a good Q&A since ZFS was a popular topic during > the month of December. I encourage folks to feel free to talk about > FreeBSD after ZFS is done. We can always talk about it over a beverage > (maybe next door at Stouts) too if we need to leave the building. If there > is big interest we can use a future meeting time to talk about FreeBSD (and > compare it to Linux since this is a Linux User Group). As for next meeting > location: > > http://www.penguinsunbound.com/Meetings > > > On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 7:41 AM, Andrew Krull wrote: > >> I too would be interested in hearing about FreeBSD. I am new to the >> LUG... when and where is the next meeting taking place? >> >> Thank you. >> >> ~Andrew >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 6:39 AM, wrote: >> >>> >>> Quoting Andrew Berg : >>> >>> Since the next meeting is all about ZFS and I will be bringing my >>>> machine running FreeBSD and ZFS on root, and because of the release of >>>> FreeBSD 10 (builds have started; I expect there will be an official >>>> announcement in the next day or two), I thought I'd give a short talk on >>>> FreeBSD if there is some interest. Things I would cover: >>>> >>>> - Philosophical differences between Linux and the BSDs (mostly design >>>> and technical aspects, but I will touch on licensing) >>>> - Upgrades/updates to the base system vs. updates/upgrades to >>>> third-party software and package management (ports/pkgng) in FreeBSD >>>> - Some cool new things in FreeBSD 10 >>>> - An overview of the other BSDs >>>> - Any questions you may have >>>> >>>> I'm open to suggestions as well, so let me know if you'd like me to go >>>> over anything else. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>> >>> Hi Andrew- >>> >>> I'd be interested to know where FreeBSD stands as a desktop? In years >>> past I read that PCBSD was making strides, but why would I want to it as a >>> desktop now? I don't know if this is an appropriate venue to ask this >>> question? I know FreeBSD rawks as a stand alone server. One complain from a >>> friend year back is that it didn't really have a strong support for >>> virtualization and clustering. Also, interested in hearing the original >>> topic on ZFS. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> SDA >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robotsondrugs at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 12:46:23 2014 From: robotsondrugs at gmail.com (Andrew Berg) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 12:46:23 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Any interest in a FreeBSD talk at the next meeting? In-Reply-To: <20140117063945.Horde.RcFwKGPJkDJV78tDr949Qw9@mail.dalan.us> References: <52D89C4D.5050103@gmail.com> <20140117063945.Horde.RcFwKGPJkDJV78tDr949Qw9@mail.dalan.us> Message-ID: <52D97A7F.4070704@gmail.com> On 2014.01.17 06:39, canito at dalan.us wrote: > Hi Andrew- > > I'd be interested to know where FreeBSD stands as a desktop? In years > past I read that PCBSD was making strides, but why would I want to it > as a desktop now? I don't know if this is an appropriate venue to ask > this question? I know FreeBSD rawks as a stand alone server. One > complain from a friend year back is that it didn't really have a > strong support for virtualization and clustering. Also, interested in > hearing the original topic on ZFS. I haven't used it much as a desktop myself, but there is someone who has been involved in the PC-BSD project I will try to get to make an appearance. PC-BSD is seriously actively developed and has been doing tons of work to make a FreeBSD desktop experience enjoyable. As for virtualization, FreeBSD 10 has many improvements both as a guest with new drivers for Hyper-V, Xen, and VMware, and as a host with bhyve (which supports FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and Linux in general). I know there is stuff there for clustering; I will have to look into it a bit more and get back to you. From canito at dalan.us Sat Jan 18 19:07:41 2014 From: canito at dalan.us (canito at dalan.us) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 19:07:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Hard/Soft File Descriptor Limit - Help Message-ID: <20140118190741.Horde.mdcQIVG4hqNOH78p0E6HbQ1@mail.dalan.us> Hello Everyone- I've been working at a BASH script which will open file descriptor 3 and writing hello to it, executing itself reading FD-3, done in a while loop. I am attempting to exceed the hard file descriptor limit (default of 4096) to see what happens once it is reached. What I've learned is that for each forked process from the script it has its own soft and hard limit, and need some clarification. My question now is: instead of calling the script in a loop, do I simply keep opening FD's 3,4,5,6.... until exceeding the limit? With this script I got up to 1000+ loops with over 5000+ open files before I started getting: resource temporarily unavailable messages. Does this sound right? Can someone help clarify this crazy little question? #!/bin/bash { exec 0>&3; } 1>/dev/null 2>&1 && exec 3>/dev/null || exec 3>/dev/tty COUNT=0 while [ $COUNT -lt 5000 ]; do exec 3<< |grep fdl.sh |wc -l sudo /usr/sbin/lsof -u |wc -l ./fdl.sh let COUNT+=1 done -------- Thanks, SDA From galanolwe at yahoo.com Sun Jan 19 14:55:52 2014 From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 12:55:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Surface? Message-ID: <1390164952.90954.YahooMailNeo@web160303.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I'd like some sort of tablet/laptop hybrid like the MS Surface, only running Linux. I've heard about various ways of putting Linux on a tablet. All I want is a non-clamshell tablet with a remote (bluetooth?) mouse/keyboard. I really don't need the touchscreen capability, either. Just regular Linux (I'm on Ubuntu) on a, say, Nexus 10 with mouse/keyboard. Any ideas? O Grand Marais, MN -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's too bad these content viewing devices are getting more and more locked down. -- Jeremy MountainJohnson Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Olwe Bottorff wrote: > I'd like some sort of tablet/laptop hybrid like the MS Surface, only running > Linux. I've heard about various ways of putting Linux on a tablet. All I > want is a non-clamshell tablet with a remote (bluetooth?) mouse/keyboard. I > really don't need the touchscreen capability, either. Just regular Linux > (I'm on Ubuntu) on a, say, Nexus 10 with mouse/keyboard. Any ideas? > > O > Grand Marais, MN > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From john.a.frisk at gmail.com Tue Jan 21 13:13:23 2014 From: john.a.frisk at gmail.com (John Frisk) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 13:13:23 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound ZFS Presentation Sat. Jan 25th 10AM Message-ID: All are welcome this Saturday Jan 25th, 10AM @ TIES Larpenteur Room for a presentation on ZFS by Linda Kateley. Directions and meeting information are below. http://www.penguinsunbound.com/Meetings -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chapinjeff at gmail.com Tue Jan 21 13:37:05 2014 From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 13:37:05 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound ZFS Presentation Sat. Jan 25th 10AM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Any possibility of a webcast or recording being made? Jeff On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:13 PM, John Frisk wrote: > All are welcome this Saturday Jan 25th, 10AM @ TIES Larpenteur Room for a > presentation on ZFS by Linda Kateley. Directions and meeting information > are below. > > http://www.penguinsunbound.com/Meetings > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Jeff Chapin President, CedarLug, retired President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" President, UNI Scuba Club Senator, NISG, retired -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.a.frisk at gmail.com Wed Jan 22 21:54:06 2014 From: john.a.frisk at gmail.com (John Frisk) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 21:54:06 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound ZFS Presentation Sat. Jan 25th 10AM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Some of the new rooms at TIES do not have recording capabilities yet. I will not know until we get to the meeting. Sorry, but it's the best our group can do for free. :) On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Jeff Chapin wrote: > Any possibility of a webcast or recording being made? > > Jeff > > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:13 PM, John Frisk wrote: > >> All are welcome this Saturday Jan 25th, 10AM @ TIES Larpenteur Room for a >> presentation on ZFS by Linda Kateley. Directions and meeting information >> are below. >> >> http://www.penguinsunbound.com/Meetings >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > > -- > Jeff Chapin > President, CedarLug, retired > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" > President, UNI Scuba Club > Senator, NISG, retired > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Jan 22 23:04:34 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 23:04:34 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound ZFS Presentation Sat. Jan 25th 10AM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76A4D696-313F-4D29-8395-F8A1542C6DFF@me.com> Doesn't ustream have a Linux client? -- Ryan Coleman ryanjcole at me.com m. 651.373.5015 o. 612.568.2749 > On Jan 22, 2014, at 21:54, John Frisk wrote: > > Some of the new rooms at TIES do not have recording capabilities yet. I will not know until we get to the meeting. Sorry, but it's the best our group can do for free. :) > > >> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Jeff Chapin wrote: >> Any possibility of a webcast or recording being made? >> >> Jeff >> >> >>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:13 PM, John Frisk wrote: >>> All are welcome this Saturday Jan 25th, 10AM @ TIES Larpenteur Room for a presentation on ZFS by Linda Kateley. Directions and meeting information are below. >>> >>> http://www.penguinsunbound.com/Meetings >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> -- >> Jeff Chapin >> President, CedarLug, retired >> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" >> President, UNI Scuba Club >> Senator, NISG, retired >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Doesn't ustream have a Linux client? > > -- > Ryan Coleman > ryanjcole at me.com > m. 651.373.5015 > o. 612.568.2749 > > On Jan 22, 2014, at 21:54, John Frisk wrote: > > Some of the new rooms at TIES do not have recording capabilities yet. I > will not know until we get to the meeting. Sorry, but it's the best our > group can do for free. :) > > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Jeff Chapin wrote: > >> Any possibility of a webcast or recording being made? >> >> Jeff >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:13 PM, John Frisk wrote: >> >>> All are welcome this Saturday Jan 25th, 10AM @ TIES Larpenteur Room for >>> a presentation on ZFS by Linda Kateley. Directions and meeting information >>> are below. >>> >>> http://www.penguinsunbound.com/Meetings >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Jeff Chapin >> President, CedarLug, retired >> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" >> President, UNI Scuba Club >> Senator, NISG, retired >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chapinjeff at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 08:16:53 2014 From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 08:16:53 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound ZFS Presentation Sat. Jan 25th 10AM In-Reply-To: References: <76A4D696-313F-4D29-8395-F8A1542C6DFF@me.com> Message-ID: I appreciate the answer. Not being a Twin Cities local, but still being interested in the topic, video would be perfect, but if it is not available, that's not a huge issue. Thanks! Jeff On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:20 PM, John Frisk wrote: > Yes, there is a Linux/web client to ustream. It looks like there is some > sort of basic functionality with ad-supported system to do as such. > However, I am not going to sign up (read volunteer) to be responsible for > said function in our group. I encourage folks in the group to bring it up > at the group meetings to see the level of interest and see if there are > others who want to volunteer to be responsible for it. > > > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > >> Doesn't ustream have a Linux client? >> >> -- >> Ryan Coleman >> ryanjcole at me.com >> m. 651.373.5015 >> o. 612.568.2749 >> >> On Jan 22, 2014, at 21:54, John Frisk wrote: >> >> Some of the new rooms at TIES do not have recording capabilities yet. I >> will not know until we get to the meeting. Sorry, but it's the best our >> group can do for free. :) >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Jeff Chapin wrote: >> >>> Any possibility of a webcast or recording being made? >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:13 PM, John Frisk wrote: >>> >>>> All are welcome this Saturday Jan 25th, 10AM @ TIES Larpenteur Room for >>>> a presentation on ZFS by Linda Kateley. Directions and meeting information >>>> are below. >>>> >>>> http://www.penguinsunbound.com/Meetings >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jeff Chapin >>> President, CedarLug, retired >>> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" >>> President, UNI Scuba Club >>> Senator, NISG, retired >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- Jeff Chapin President, CedarLug, retired President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" President, UNI Scuba Club Senator, NISG, retired -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lkateley at kateley.com Thu Jan 23 11:13:40 2014 From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 11:13:40 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound ZFS Presentation Sat. Jan 25th 10AM In-Reply-To: References: <76A4D696-313F-4D29-8395-F8A1542C6DFF@me.com> Message-ID: <52E14DC4.4050402@kateley.com> I have a 50 seat webex license. I would be happy to setup, if there is adequate bandwidth. You won't be able to see the room, but you will see my screen. linda On 1/22/14 11:20 PM, John Frisk wrote: > Yes, there is a Linux/web client to ustream. It looks like there is > some sort of basic functionality with ad-supported system to do as > such. However, I am not going to sign up (read volunteer) to be > responsible for said function in our group. I encourage folks in the > group to bring it up at the group meetings to see the level of > interest and see if there are others who want to volunteer to be > responsible for it. > > > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Ryan Coleman > wrote: > > Doesn't ustream have a Linux client? > > -- > Ryan Coleman > ryanjcole at me.com > m. 651.373.5015 > o. 612.568.2749 > > On Jan 22, 2014, at 21:54, John Frisk > wrote: > >> Some of the new rooms at TIES do not have recording capabilities >> yet. I will not know until we get to the meeting. Sorry, but >> it's the best our group can do for free. :) >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Jeff Chapin >> > wrote: >> >> Any possibility of a webcast or recording being made? >> >> Jeff >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:13 PM, John Frisk >> > wrote: >> >> All are welcome this Saturday Jan 25th, 10AM @ TIES >> Larpenteur Room for a presentation on ZFS by Linda >> Kateley. Directions and meeting information are below. >> >> http://www.penguinsunbound.com/Meetings >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jeff Chapin >> President, CedarLug, retired >> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" >> President, UNI Scuba Club >> Senator, NISG, retired >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lkateley at kateley.com Thu Jan 23 13:11:50 2014 From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 13:11:50 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound ZFS Presentation Sat. Jan 25th 10AM In-Reply-To: References: <76A4D696-313F-4D29-8395-F8A1542C6DFF@me.com> Message-ID: <52E16976.30405@kateley.com> If people want to use this.., i am happy to host. ZFS for penguins *Sat, Jan 25, 10:00 am* | 2 hr Chicago (Central Standard Time, GMT-06:00) Host: Linda Kateley Start Add the attached iCalendar (.ics) file to your calendar. Agenda This meeting does not have an agenda. Access Information Where: WebEx Online Meeting number: 198 912 460 Password: This meeting does not require a password. Host key: 263829 (Use this key in the meeting if you have made someone else the host and then want to reclaim the host role.) Audio Connection *1-855-244-8681 *Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada) *1-650-479-3207 *Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Access code: *198 912 460* ** ** Need more numbers or information? Check out toll-free calling restrictions . On 1/23/14 8:16 AM, Jeff Chapin wrote: > I appreciate the answer. Not being a Twin Cities local, but still > being interested in the topic, video would be perfect, but if it is > not available, that's not a huge issue. > > Thanks! > Jeff > > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:20 PM, John Frisk > wrote: > > Yes, there is a Linux/web client to ustream. It looks like there > is some sort of basic functionality with ad-supported system to do > as such. However, I am not going to sign up (read volunteer) to > be responsible for said function in our group. I encourage folks > in the group to bring it up at the group meetings to see the level > of interest and see if there are others who want to volunteer to > be responsible for it. > > > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Ryan Coleman > wrote: > > Doesn't ustream have a Linux client? > > -- > Ryan Coleman > ryanjcole at me.com > m. 651.373.5015 > o. 612.568.2749 > > On Jan 22, 2014, at 21:54, John Frisk > wrote: > >> Some of the new rooms at TIES do not have recording >> capabilities yet. I will not know until we get to the >> meeting. Sorry, but it's the best our group can do for free. :) >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Jeff Chapin >> > wrote: >> >> Any possibility of a webcast or recording being made? >> >> Jeff >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:13 PM, John Frisk >> > >> wrote: >> >> All are welcome this Saturday Jan 25th, 10AM @ TIES >> Larpenteur Room for a presentation on ZFS by Linda >> Kateley. Directions and meeting information are below. >> >> http://www.penguinsunbound.com/Meetings >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jeff Chapin >> President, CedarLug, retired >> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" >> President, UNI Scuba Club >> Senator, NISG, retired >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > -- > Jeff Chapin > President, CedarLug, retired > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" > President, UNI Scuba Club > Senator, NISG, retired > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jan 25th 10AM In-Reply-To: <52E14DC4.4050402@kateley.com> References: <76A4D696-313F-4D29-8395-F8A1542C6DFF@me.com> <52E14DC4.4050402@kateley.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Linda Kateley wrote: > I would be happy to setup, if there is > adequate bandwidth. You have something like 20Gbps to work with, so you should be good there. :) - Tony From lkateley at kateley.com Thu Jan 23 14:20:10 2014 From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 14:20:10 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound ZFS Presentation Sat. Jan 25th 10AM In-Reply-To: References: <76A4D696-313F-4D29-8395-F8A1542C6DFF@me.com> <52E14DC4.4050402@kateley.com> Message-ID: <52E1797A.4000505@kateley.com> that ought do :) lk On 1/23/14 1:41 PM, Tony Yarusso wrote: > On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:13 AM, Linda Kateley wrote: >> I would be happy to setup, if there is >> adequate bandwidth. > You have something like 20Gbps to work with, so you should be good there. :) > > - Tony > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jjensen at apache.org Fri Jan 24 14:46:05 2014 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 14:46:05 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] LogMeIn replacement? Message-ID: Since the free version disappears soon (next week?), does anyone have good free replacement suggestions? My use case is remote controlling (usually Windows) machines from my laptop at any location. I did not use it very often though. LMI was a nice product solution for me as it had a service that connected to their cloud without any firewall changes, so it was available wherever I was ready to connect to it. Another way to ask this question is "how do you remotely support your parents' Windows computer?", lol. I also occasionally used it to remote into my home Windows or Linux machines. VNC and other options require networking changes/setup, which possibly I could do for my remote access to home, but not really for my parents or other friends/relatives I may help. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erikerik at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 14:59:01 2014 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 14:59:01 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] LogMeIn replacement? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If it's strictly non-commercial (as in: helping your parents), TeamViewer is a decent option. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Jeff Jensen wrote: > Since the free version disappears soon (next week?), does anyone have good > free replacement suggestions? > > My use case is remote controlling (usually Windows) machines from my > laptop at any location. I did not use it very often though. > > LMI was a nice product solution for me as it had a service that connected > to their cloud without any firewall changes, so it was available wherever I > was ready to connect to it. > > Another way to ask this question is "how do you remotely support your > parents' Windows computer?", lol. > I also occasionally used it to remote into my home Windows or Linux > machines. > > VNC and other options require networking changes/setup, which possibly I > could do for my remote access to home, but not really for my parents or > other friends/relatives I may help. > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Jeff Jensen wrote: > Another way to ask this question is "how do you remotely support your > parents' Windows computer?" Use Google's Remote Desktop app: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chrome-remote-desktop/gbchcmhmhahfdphkhkmpfmihenigjmpp -- Brian D. Ropers-Huilman 612.234.7778 (m) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cdf123 at cdf123.net Fri Jan 24 15:18:04 2014 From: cdf123 at cdf123.net (Chris Frederick) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:18:04 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound ZFS Presentation Sat. Jan 25th 10AM In-Reply-To: <52E14DC4.4050402@kateley.com> References: <76A4D696-313F-4D29-8395-F8A1542C6DFF@me.com> <52E14DC4.4050402@kateley.com> Message-ID: <52E2D88C.5050404@cdf123.net> Would you be able to archive the meeting so we can access it later? I will be in the cities Saturday, but unable to attend. Also, would you be able to field any questions on/off list? or webex chat? I have a freenas server that I'm hoping to replace with gentoo in the near future. Thanks, Chris Frederick On 01/23/14 11:13, Linda Kateley wrote: > I have a 50 seat webex license. I would be happy to setup, if there is adequate bandwidth. You won't be able to see the room, but you will see > my screen. > > linda > > > On 1/22/14 11:20 PM, John Frisk wrote: >> Yes, there is a Linux/web client to ustream. It looks like there is some sort of basic functionality with ad-supported system to do as such. >> However, I am not going to sign up (read volunteer) to be responsible for said function in our group. I encourage folks in the group to bring >> it up at the group meetings to see the level of interest and see if there are others who want to volunteer to be responsible for it. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Ryan Coleman > wrote: >> >> Doesn't ustream have a Linux client? >> >> -- Ryan Coleman >> ryanjcole at me.com >> m. 651.373.5015 >> o. 612.568.2749 >> >> On Jan 22, 2014, at 21:54, John Frisk > > wrote: >> >>> Some of the new rooms at TIES do not have recording capabilities >>> yet. I will not know until we get to the meeting. Sorry, but >>> it's the best our group can do for free. :) >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Jeff Chapin >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Any possibility of a webcast or recording being made? >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:13 PM, John Frisk >>> > wrote: >>> >>> All are welcome this Saturday Jan 25th, 10AM @ TIES >>> Larpenteur Room for a presentation on ZFS by Linda >>> Kateley. Directions and meeting information are below. >>> >>> http://www.penguinsunbound.com/Meetings >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Jeff Chapin >>> President, CedarLug, retired >>> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" >>> President, UNI Scuba Club >>> Senator, NISG, retired >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jjensen at apache.org Fri Jan 24 15:19:33 2014 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 15:19:33 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] LogMeIn replacement? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah, thanks. I've used that one too. I forgot it has a host service for unattended! My parents/friends were always there to initiate... I will try it's host service. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Erik Anderson wrote: > If it's strictly non-commercial (as in: helping your parents), TeamViewer > is a decent option. > > > On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Jeff Jensen wrote: > >> Since the free version disappears soon (next week?), does anyone have >> good free replacement suggestions? >> >> My use case is remote controlling (usually Windows) machines from my >> laptop at any location. I did not use it very often though. >> >> LMI was a nice product solution for me as it had a service that connected >> to their cloud without any firewall changes, so it was available wherever I >> was ready to connect to it. >> >> Another way to ask this question is "how do you remotely support your >> parents' Windows computer?", lol. >> I also occasionally used it to remote into my home Windows or Linux >> machines. >> >> VNC and other options require networking changes/setup, which possibly >> I could do for my remote access to home, but not really for my parents or >> other friends/relatives I may help. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I > have a freenas server that I'm hoping to replace with gentoo in the > near future. > > Thanks, > > Chris Frederick > > On 01/23/14 11:13, Linda Kateley wrote: >> I have a 50 seat webex license. I would be happy to setup, if there >> is adequate bandwidth. You won't be able to see the room, but you >> will see >> my screen. >> >> linda >> >> >> On 1/22/14 11:20 PM, John Frisk wrote: >>> Yes, there is a Linux/web client to ustream. It looks like there is >>> some sort of basic functionality with ad-supported system to do as >>> such. >>> However, I am not going to sign up (read volunteer) to be >>> responsible for said function in our group. I encourage folks in >>> the group to bring >>> it up at the group meetings to see the level of interest and see if >>> there are others who want to volunteer to be responsible for it. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Ryan Coleman >> > wrote: >>> >>> Doesn't ustream have a Linux client? >>> >>> -- Ryan Coleman >>> ryanjcole at me.com >>> m. 651.373.5015 >>> o. 612.568.2749 >>> >>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 21:54, John Frisk >> > wrote: >>> >>>> Some of the new rooms at TIES do not have recording capabilities >>>> yet. I will not know until we get to the meeting. Sorry, but >>>> it's the best our group can do for free. :) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Jeff Chapin >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Any possibility of a webcast or recording being made? >>>> >>>> Jeff >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:13 PM, John Frisk >>>> > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> All are welcome this Saturday Jan 25th, 10AM @ TIES >>>> Larpenteur Room for a presentation on ZFS by Linda >>>> Kateley. Directions and meeting information are below. >>>> >>>> http://www.penguinsunbound.com/Meetings >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- Jeff Chapin >>>> President, CedarLug, retired >>>> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" >>>> President, UNI Scuba Club >>>> Senator, NISG, retired >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From n0nas at amsat.org Fri Jan 24 16:01:43 2014 From: n0nas at amsat.org (Doug Reed) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:01:43 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 109, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: TeamViewer +1 A friend of mine just moved his 42 remote WinXP boxes over to TeamViewer. A friend of his is moving 38 WinXP boxes to TeamViewer. I've only got 3 remote WinXp systems to worry about.... If you want to stay with Open Source, then some flavor of OpenVNC/UltraVNC with VNC-Repeater/VNCrepeater might fit the bill. The trick is to come up with a VNC server that the remotes all connect to so you can bypass problems with opening ports in the remote firewall. My friend's WinXP boxes are all behind home firewalls they don't control, so having a central server they can connect to is the most important feature of LogMeIn and TeamViewer. I tried talking to him about other VNC & VPN options but there was no learning time so he chose to go ahead with TeamViewer. Doug. From tlunde at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 16:22:22 2014 From: tlunde at gmail.com (T L) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:22:22 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound ZFS Presentation Sat. Jan 25th 10AM In-Reply-To: <52E2D990.3070002@kateley.com> References: <76A4D696-313F-4D29-8395-F8A1542C6DFF@me.com> <52E14DC4.4050402@kateley.com> <52E2D88C.5050404@cdf123.net> <52E2D990.3070002@kateley.com> Message-ID: I can't speak for Chris, but one of the attractions of ZFS on Linux (vs. FreeBSD or FreeNAS) is KVM. Linux jails on FreeNAS and (eventually) bhyve on FreeBSD may mitigate this to some degree, but it's awfully nice to combine the certainty of ZFS with the capability of flexible virtualization. Thomas On Friday, January 24, 2014, Linda Kateley wrote: > I am curious why you are changing?? I just started running freenas and am > really digging it. Haven't gotten far enough along to find problems? > > linda > > > On 1/24/14 3:18 PM, Chris Frederick wrote: > > Would you be able to archive the meeting so we can access it later? > > I will be in the cities Saturday, but unable to attend. Also, would you > be able to field any questions on/off list? or webex chat? I have a > freenas server that I'm hoping to replace with gentoo in the near future. > > Thanks, > > Chris Frederick > > On 01/23/14 11:13, Linda Kateley wrote: > > I have a 50 seat webex license. I would be happy to setup, if there is > adequate bandwidth. You won't be able to see the room, but you will see > my screen. > > linda > > > On 1/22/14 11:20 PM, John Frisk wrote: > > Yes, there is a Linux/web client to ustream. It looks like there is some > sort of basic functionality with ad-supported system to do as such. > However, I am not going to sign up (read volunteer) to be responsible for > said function in our group. I encourage folks in the group to bring > it up at the group meetings to see the level of interest and see if there > are others who want to volunteer to be responsible for it. > > > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Ryan Coleman ryanjcole at me.com>> wrote: > > Doesn't ustream have a Linux client? > > -- Ryan Coleman > ryanjcole at me.com > m. 651.373.5015 > o. 612.568.2749 > > On Jan 22, 2014, at 21:54, John Frisk > wrote: > > Some of the new rooms at TIES do not have recording capabilities > yet. I will not know until we get to the meeting. Sorry, but > it's the best our group can do for free. :) > > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Jeff Chapin > > wrote: > > Any possibility of a webcast or recording being made? > > Jeff > > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:13 PM, John Frisk > > wrote: > > All are welcome this Saturday Jan 25th, 10AM @ TIES > Larpenteur Room for a presentation on ZFS by Linda > Kateley. Directions and meeting information are below. > > http://www.penguinsunbound.com/Meetings > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > -- Jeff Chapin > President, CedarLug, retired > President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" > President, UNI Scuba Club > Senator, NISG, retired > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Unfortunately the web interface overwrites the changes and drops the shares from the network when accessed. So we are in constant battle with the web gui and the integrity checking scripts in cron. For some reason, our /var partition is also full. 'df -h' shows: Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/md2 149M 149M -11M 109% /var But 'du -sh /var' shows: 10M /var/ I'm confidant that this is some mess that we did to get the ldap/cifs working, but clueless on how to fix it. With /var full, apps and services sometimes die or slow down as they wait for free space to be allocated. And of course, since /var is full, everything that errors because of it get logged to /var. It's become a weekly chore that we just have to break for an hour and fix the freenas server again, which is beyond my level of tolerance for a device. If it wasn't for the ldap integration, it would probably be working fine. We had this system running stand-alone for a good 6 months before we decided to move it in place, never had issues then. Chris Frederick On 01/24/14 15:22, Linda Kateley wrote: > I am curious why you are changing?? I just started running freenas and am really digging it. Haven't gotten far enough along to find problems? > > linda > > > On 1/24/14 3:18 PM, Chris Frederick wrote: >> Would you be able to archive the meeting so we can access it later? >> >> I will be in the cities Saturday, but unable to attend. Also, would you be able to field any questions on/off list? or webex chat? I have a >> freenas server that I'm hoping to replace with gentoo in the near future. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chris Frederick >> >> On 01/23/14 11:13, Linda Kateley wrote: >>> I have a 50 seat webex license. I would be happy to setup, if there is adequate bandwidth. You won't be able to see the room, but you will see >>> my screen. >>> >>> linda >>> >>> >>> On 1/22/14 11:20 PM, John Frisk wrote: >>>> Yes, there is a Linux/web client to ustream. It looks like there is some sort of basic functionality with ad-supported system to do as such. >>>> However, I am not going to sign up (read volunteer) to be responsible for said function in our group. I encourage folks in the group to bring >>>> it up at the group meetings to see the level of interest and see if there are others who want to volunteer to be responsible for it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Ryan Coleman > wrote: >>>> >>>> Doesn't ustream have a Linux client? >>>> >>>> -- Ryan Coleman >>>> ryanjcole at me.com >>>> m. 651.373.5015 >>>> o. 612.568.2749 >>>> >>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 21:54, John Frisk >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Some of the new rooms at TIES do not have recording capabilities >>>>> yet. I will not know until we get to the meeting. Sorry, but >>>>> it's the best our group can do for free. :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Jeff Chapin >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Any possibility of a webcast or recording being made? >>>>> >>>>> Jeff >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 1:13 PM, John Frisk >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> All are welcome this Saturday Jan 25th, 10AM @ TIES >>>>> Larpenteur Room for a presentation on ZFS by Linda >>>>> Kateley. Directions and meeting information are below. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.penguinsunbound.com/Meetings >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- Jeff Chapin >>>>> President, CedarLug, retired >>>>> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it" >>>>> President, UNI Scuba Club >>>>> Senator, NISG, retired >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From jjensen at apache.org Fri Jan 24 16:53:36 2014 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:53:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] LogMeIn replacement? In-Reply-To: <20140124210154.GE638@real-time.com> References: <20140124210154.GE638@real-time.com> Message-ID: Thanks Carl and Brian! On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom < chrome at real-time.com> wrote: > On 01/24 02:46 , Jeff Jensen wrote: > > Since the free version disappears soon (next week?), does anyone have > good > > free replacement suggestions? > > Google Chrome has a remote-control feature which seems to work. It doesn't > provide the nice central management interface LMI did tho. > > -- > Carl Soderstrom > Systems Administrator > Real-Time Enterprises > www.real-time.com > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks in advance. -- Name: Steve Trapp Homepage: http://steventrapp.home.comcast.net Email: stevetrapp **AT** comcast **DOT** net Locale: en_US.UTF-8 | Location: Upper Midwest From robotsondrugs at gmail.com Sun Jan 26 15:27:12 2014 From: robotsondrugs at gmail.com (Andrew Berg) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:27:12 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Can cron launch X-windows program? In-Reply-To: <20140126150444.37ff3f26@falcon.cavelan.local> References: <20140126150444.37ff3f26@falcon.cavelan.local> Message-ID: <52E57DB0.7030000@gmail.com> On 2014.01.26 15:04, Steve Trapp wrote: > I have used cron in the past to run programs (I edit my "cron table" via > < crontab -e >). But, when I try to make cron launch an X-windows program, I > haven't had any luck. I suspect it might be environment variables, but I > still haven't had any luck. > > I use debian GNU/Linux, and the cron is "Vixie cron" written by Paul Vixie. > Unable to determine its version number. > > Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. I have a script not working in the user crontab, but working in /etc/crontab (on FreeBSD, which also uses Vixie cron), so you could try that. I would be interested in knowing why, though. From tclug at freakzilla.com Sun Jan 26 15:49:58 2014 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:49:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Can cron launch X-windows program? In-Reply-To: <20140126150444.37ff3f26@falcon.cavelan.local> References: <20140126150444.37ff3f26@falcon.cavelan.local> Message-ID: Have your script set the DISPLAY environment variable. export DISPLAY=":0.0" before running the X command. (that's assuming bash/sh/ksh. In tcsh it's setenv DISPLAY ":0.0") On Sun, 26 Jan 2014, Steve Trapp wrote: > I have used cron in the past to run programs (I edit my "cron table" via > < crontab -e >). But, when I try to make cron launch an X-windows program, I > haven't had any luck. I suspect it might be environment variables, but I > still haven't had any luck. > > I use debian GNU/Linux, and the cron is "Vixie cron" written by Paul Vixie. > Unable to determine its version number. > > Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > > -- > Name: Steve Trapp > Homepage: http://steventrapp.home.comcast.net > Email: stevetrapp **AT** comcast **DOT** net > Locale: en_US.UTF-8 | Location: Upper Midwest > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Sun Jan 26 20:09:16 2014 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 20:09:16 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Can cron launch X-windows program? Message-ID: if you use your user crontab and set DISPLAY it should work. if you use root crontab you'd need su or sudo. you might also want to divert standard and error output output to /dev/null, otherwise cron will (try to) mail it to you (if that fails it ends up in DEAD_LETTER or some such). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevetrapp at comcast.net Sun Jan 26 20:41:34 2014 From: stevetrapp at comcast.net (Steve Trapp) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 20:41:34 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] It works now! Message-ID: <20140126204134.0166edfe@falcon.cavelan.local> Thank you for the suggestions. It was DISPLAY that was the main, but not the sole problem. The thing is I tried it with DISPLAY and it didn't work, so then I did: cd /usr/bin ls *env* and was hoping to find SOMETHING that'd display all of your environment variables. < man printenv > says *printenv* does just that. So I did: : printenv >enviro and inserted file < enviro > into < crontab -e > editing session, and voila it worked. Then I commented out and tested it until I got down to just what was needed... PATH=... LD_LIBRARY=... DISPLAY=:0 (What is DISPLAY=0.0 mean as opposed to DISPLAY=:0 ????) So, that mystery is solved! ==== As for why something'd work for /etc/crontab and not for crontab -e is most likely something needed to be *root* permission Now I can my quarter(?)-written version of a cron away and use something that for sure works! Thanks again. -Steve -- Name: Steve Trapp Homepage: http://steventrapp.home.comcast.net Email: stevetrapp **AT** comcast **DOT** net Locale: en_US.UTF-8 | Location: Upper Midwest From robotsondrugs at gmail.com Sun Jan 26 22:09:40 2014 From: robotsondrugs at gmail.com (Andrew Berg) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 22:09:40 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] It works now! In-Reply-To: <20140126204134.0166edfe@falcon.cavelan.local> References: <20140126204134.0166edfe@falcon.cavelan.local> Message-ID: <52E5DC04.5060000@gmail.com> On 2014.01.26 20:41, Steve Trapp wrote: > As for why something'd work for /etc/crontab and not for crontab -e > is most likely something needed to be *root* permission I was using a root shell (and adding 'touch /root/somefile' did indeed write the file). Looking at the manpage again, I see that su can confuse crontab (even su - apparently), so it was likely a problem with environment variables. From stevetrapp at comcast.net Sun Jan 26 23:10:35 2014 From: stevetrapp at comcast.net (Steve Trapp) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 23:10:35 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] cron launching an X-window program works now! In-Reply-To: <20140126204134.0166edfe@falcon.cavelan.local> References: <20140126204134.0166edfe@falcon.cavelan.local> Message-ID: <20140126231035.6a8701da@falcon.cavelan.local> CLARIFICATION BELOW--I LEFT SOME OF THE WORDS OUT ACCIDENTLY BECAUSE I WAS HURRYING BECAUSE THE BATTERY WAS ABOUT TO RUN OUT... On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 20:41:34 -0600, Steve Trapp wrote: > Now I can my quarter(?)-written version of a cron away and use something > that for sure works! Last paragraph should read: Now I can throw away my poorly written quarter(?)-done sloppy version of a cron away and use something that for sure works! -- Name: Steve Trapp Homepage: http://steventrapp.home.comcast.net Email: stevetrapp **AT** comcast **DOT** net Locale: en_US.UTF-8 | Location: Upper Midwest From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Mon Jan 27 08:04:33 2014 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 08:04:33 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] bluetooth ick In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > can pair and be selected for headset service, but do not show up in pavucontrol, nor work. both work on my phone. anyone have a headset working? what headset? with a dongle? what dongle? what distro? what version? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From max at bernsteinforpresident.com Mon Jan 27 14:00:22 2014 From: max at bernsteinforpresident.com (Max Shinn) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:00:22 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Cell phone bill In-Reply-To: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C710F55382@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> References: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C710F55382@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> Message-ID: <20140127140022.702539f0@Newton> This looks like a threat for those of us who want libre phones... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/23/legislation-phone-thefts_n_4653392.html Thoughts? -Max From ryanjcole at me.com Mon Jan 27 14:30:10 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:30:10 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Cell phone bill In-Reply-To: <20140127140022.702539f0@Newton> References: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C710F55382@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> <20140127140022.702539f0@Newton> Message-ID: If you don?t want it you could write her and state the reasons you do not want this bill rather than poking the list for reactions. Use the form here: http://www.klobuchar.senate.gov/public/email-amy On Jan 27, 2014, at 2:00 PM, Max Shinn wrote: > This looks like a threat for those of us who want libre phones... > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/23/legislation-phone-thefts_n_4653392.html > > Thoughts? > > -Max > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Mon Jan 27 14:48:18 2014 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:48:18 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Cell phone bill In-Reply-To: <20140127140022.702539f0@Newton> References: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C710F55382@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> <20140127140022.702539f0@Newton> Message-ID: wouldn't that depend very much on the nature of the mechanism to deliver the functionality to the huddled masses? nothing's been proposed (to my knowledge) that mandates that the handset be locked down. simply that the option to lojack a phone be made available to interested consumers. On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Max Shinn wrote: > This looks like a threat for those of us who want libre phones... > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/23/legislation-phone-thefts_n_4653392.html > > Thoughts? > > -Max > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- steve ulrich (sulrich at botwerks.*) From me at bengentry.com Mon Jan 27 14:55:04 2014 From: me at bengentry.com (Benjamin Gentry) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:55:04 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Cell phone bill In-Reply-To: <20140127140022.702539f0@Newton> References: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C710F55382@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> <20140127140022.702539f0@Newton> Message-ID: <52E6C7A8.1040902@bengentry.com> Max, I cannot tell how a kill switch is going to take my freedoms, at least any more than whatever else already currently happening with the cell phone industry. This article you linked doesn't really give much information on what the actual bill would look like either. The theft of cell phones is a real problem though, and the companies that manufacture and sell the phones do not have any real incentive to bring a stop to it because most people buy another one once they lose their original. What exactly are you looking for in a "libre" phone? Open source software? Android is licensed under the Apache License Version 2.0. which according to gnu.org "It is a free software license, compatible with version 3 of the GNU GPL." In fact android has many different forks on a lot of the common Handsets. The Google apps are non-free but a person can install a fork of Android without GAPPs instead using F-Droid as a package manager which only has open source apps. Also you can get a FirefoxOS phone from ebay for $75 unlocked: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/281165818989?lpid=82 I had one of these when they first came out. The hardware leaves much to be desired but the software is open-source and built using things like standards and such. It is licensed by the Mozilla license There is also the Jolla which runs Sailfish. Sailfish os uses the linux kernel. There was the TuxPhone project that aimed to provide open source hardware as well but I believe that is way dead. Ben On 01/27/2014 02:00 PM, Max Shinn wrote: > This looks like a threat for those of us who want libre phones... > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/23/legislation-phone-thefts_n_4653392.html > > Thoughts? > > -Max > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 555 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From max at bernsteinforpresident.com Mon Jan 27 15:34:19 2014 From: max at bernsteinforpresident.com (Max Shinn) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 15:34:19 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Cell phone bill In-Reply-To: <52E6C7A8.1040902@bengentry.com> References: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C710F55382@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> <20140127140022.702539f0@Newton> <52E6C7A8.1040902@bengentry.com> Message-ID: <20140127153419.7ffc4ca5@Newton> > If you don?t want it you could write her and state the reasons you do > not want this bill rather than poking the list for reactions. I already did contact her. I thought it may be of interest to other people on this list. > What exactly are you looking for in a "libre" phone? Open source > software? Yes, and the knowledge that nobody but I have the ability to restrict access to what I can and can't do on my own phone. > I cannot tell how a kill switch is going to take my freedoms, at least > any more than whatever else already currently happening with the cell > phone industry. I agree that the cell phone industry isn't the most freedom-respecting industry out there. I admit I haven't looked at it with a fine tooth comb for a while, but I've heard good things about Replicant. I have an N900 now and, while it's not completely open source, it's quite close. The problem I see is that this would *require* phones to be shipped with a "feature" that many individuals find undesirable. > the companies that > manufacture and sell the phones do not have any real incentive to > bring a stop to it because most people buy another one once they lose > their original. Which has the potential to lead to crappy implementations if they're forced to do it by the government... I should state that I'm not completely against this bill. Cell phone theft is definitely a growing problem. But it has to be implemented very carefully (with libre software in mind) and I'm not optimistic that this will happen, especially in the age where the fact that you have to decide whether to "jailbreak" into your own phone is widely accepted. -Max -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 198 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Mon Jan 27 17:11:14 2014 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 17:11:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Cell phone bill In-Reply-To: <20140127140022.702539f0@Newton> References: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C710F55382@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> <20140127140022.702539f0@Newton> Message-ID: How exactly does this jeopardize my freedom?... On Mon, 27 Jan 2014, Max Shinn wrote: > This looks like a threat for those of us who want libre phones... > > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/23/legislation-phone-thefts_n_4653392.html > > Thoughts? > > -Max > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tompoe at meltel.net Mon Jan 27 18:33:20 2014 From: tompoe at meltel.net (Tom Poe) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 18:33:20 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Cell phone bill In-Reply-To: References: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C710F55382@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> <20140127140022.702539f0@Newton> Message-ID: <52E6FAD0.20404@meltel.net> On 01/27/2014 05:11 PM, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote: > How exactly does this jeopardize my freedom?... > > On Mon, 27 Jan 2014, Max Shinn wrote: > >> This looks like a threat for those of us who want libre phones... >> >> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/23/legislation-phone-thefts_n_4653392.html >> >> >> Thoughts? >> >> -Max >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > First thing that happens, is kill switch is controlled by carrier, and if you are communicating during a protest, your phone goes dead, until you prove you are not a criminal. :) Next thing that happens, is kill switch is controlled by carrier, and if you yell at your customer service representative, she will make your phone go dead, until you pay extra fees. :) Next thing that happens, is kill switch is controlled by carrier, and if your dossier at NSA is flagged, you will be unable to call your lawyer, because your carrier has been ordered to make your phone dead. :) Your freedom to communicate is as diminished as your voting rights that were eliminated when Bush switched to proprietary electronic voting systems. Tom From ryanjcole at me.com Mon Jan 27 18:40:35 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 18:40:35 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Cell phone bill In-Reply-To: <52E6FAD0.20404@meltel.net> References: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C710F55382@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> <20140127140022.702539f0@Newton> <52E6FAD0.20404@meltel.net> Message-ID: <60261BE9-616F-4EAB-8CA2-6A49C7E92771@me.com> Except that none of this will stand up when challenged in court. Care to make another try? On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:33 PM, Tom Poe wrote: > First thing that happens, is kill switch is controlled by carrier, and if you are communicating during a protest, your phone goes dead, until you prove you are not a criminal. :) > > Next thing that happens, is kill switch is controlled by carrier, and if you yell at your customer service representative, she will make your phone go dead, until you pay extra fees. :) > > Next thing that happens, is kill switch is controlled by carrier, and if your dossier at NSA is flagged, you will be unable to call your lawyer, because your carrier has been ordered to make your phone dead. :) > > Your freedom to communicate is as diminished as your voting rights that were eliminated when Bush switched to proprietary electronic voting systems. > Tom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Mon Jan 27 19:00:47 2014 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 19:00:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Cell phone bill In-Reply-To: <52E6FAD0.20404@meltel.net> References: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C710F55382@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> <20140127140022.702539f0@Newton> <52E6FAD0.20404@meltel.net> Message-ID: As Ryan pointed out, none of this would be legal. Additionally... all of this is stuff your carrier can do right now, anyway. On Mon, 27 Jan 2014, Tom Poe wrote: > On 01/27/2014 05:11 PM, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote: >> How exactly does this jeopardize my freedom?... >> >> On Mon, 27 Jan 2014, Max Shinn wrote: >> >>> This looks like a threat for those of us who want libre phones... >>> >>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/23/legislation-phone-thefts_n_4653392.html >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> -Max >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > First thing that happens, is kill switch is controlled by carrier, and if you > are communicating during a protest, your phone goes dead, until you prove you > are not a criminal. :) > > Next thing that happens, is kill switch is controlled by carrier, and if you > yell at your customer service representative, she will make your phone go > dead, until you pay extra fees. :) > > Next thing that happens, is kill switch is controlled by carrier, and if your > dossier at NSA is flagged, you will be unable to call your lawyer, because > your carrier has been ordered to make your phone dead. :) > > Your freedom to communicate is as diminished as your voting rights that were > eliminated when Bush switched to proprietary electronic voting systems. > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 14:24:42 2014 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 14:24:42 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Cell phone bill In-Reply-To: References: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C710F55382@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> <20140127140022.702539f0@Newton> <52E6FAD0.20404@meltel.net> Message-ID: Right now the carrier can kill your phone at any time. This bill would let YOU kill your phone at any time. Seems like an improvement to me... From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 13:17:42 2014 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 13:17:42 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Cell phone bill In-Reply-To: References: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C710F55382@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> <20140127140022.702539f0@Newton> <52E6FAD0.20404@meltel.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Jan 2014, Tony Yarusso wrote: > Right now the carrier can kill your phone at any time. > > This bill would let YOU kill your phone at any time. Is that correct? I think Max is right about this being the sort of issue we should be keeping an eye on. I'm not clear at all on what this bill would require. The bill is requiring that their be some mechanism whereby the phone can be shut off somehow, not just as a cell phone, but also as a WiFi device. I don't even understand how that would work. I do understand the goal - to make stole phones worthless, which sounds like a good idea. It might save lives (as the article says - people have been killed for their cell phones). Mike From tompoe at meltel.net Wed Jan 29 13:44:40 2014 From: tompoe at meltel.net (Tom Poe) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 13:44:40 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Cell phone bill In-Reply-To: References: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C710F55382@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> <20140127140022.702539f0@Newton> <52E6FAD0.20404@meltel.net> Message-ID: <52E95A28.7060609@meltel.net> On 01/29/2014 01:17 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > On Tue, 28 Jan 2014, Tony Yarusso wrote: > >> Right now the carrier can kill your phone at any time. >> >> This bill would let YOU kill your phone at any time. > > > Is that correct? I think Max is right about this being the sort of > issue we should be keeping an eye on. I'm not clear at all on what > this bill would require. The bill is requiring that their be some > mechanism whereby the phone can be shut off somehow, not just as a > cell phone, but also as a WiFi device. > > I don't even understand how that would work. I do understand the goal > - to make stole phones worthless, which sounds like a good idea. It > might save lives (as the article says - people have been killed for > their cell phones). > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > Rules and regulations pertaining to manufacture of devices is one thing. Codifying through legislative acts is another. Our government has rules and regulations on the use of Open Source software in government devices. Has our government codified those rules through legislative acts? If not, why not? Some are using the logic that people are killed over cell phones. I haven't heard any support that a kill switch deters further thefts or deaths. Begs the question as to why the kill switch needs to be legislated at this time. Begins to sound like the legislation that followed years of surveillance conduct that the legislature gave the phone companies. Tom From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Jan 29 13:48:41 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 13:48:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Cell phone bill In-Reply-To: <52E95A28.7060609@meltel.net> References: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C710F55382@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> <20140127140022.702539f0@Newton> <52E6FAD0.20404@meltel.net> <52E95A28.7060609@meltel.net> Message-ID: <2ED43D0E-4AEA-4E4F-B68E-541875D796FA@me.com> Again, I think you?re needing to re-consider your stance. If my phone is stolen and they turn it off (I have find my phone turned on and running, thank you very much) I want to make sure no one OTHER THAN MYSELF can use it. Why? Because this phone costs me over $800 when all is said and done (after subsidies paid in higher rates over a specified period of time). In Minnesota theft of over $500 is a felony. This is a felony that is almost impossible to trace. How do you suggest we curb it? We have the technology, why shouldn?t we use it? Paranoia isn?t an reason, it?s a symptom. On Jan 29, 2014, at 1:44 PM, Tom Poe wrote: > On 01/29/2014 01:17 PM, Mike Miller wrote: >> On Tue, 28 Jan 2014, Tony Yarusso wrote: >> >>> Right now the carrier can kill your phone at any time. >>> >>> This bill would let YOU kill your phone at any time. >> >> >> Is that correct? I think Max is right about this being the sort of issue we should be keeping an eye on. I'm not clear at all on what this bill would require. The bill is requiring that their be some mechanism whereby the phone can be shut off somehow, not just as a cell phone, but also as a WiFi device. >> >> I don't even understand how that would work. I do understand the goal - to make stole phones worthless, which sounds like a good idea. It might save lives (as the article says - people have been killed for their cell phones). >> >> Mike >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > Rules and regulations pertaining to manufacture of devices is one thing. Codifying through legislative acts is another. Our government has rules and regulations on the use of Open Source software in government devices. Has our government codified those rules through legislative acts? If not, why not? Some are using the logic that people are killed over cell phones. I haven't heard any support that a kill switch deters further thefts or deaths. Begs the question as to why the kill switch needs to be legislated at this time. Begins to sound like the legislation that followed years of surveillance conduct that the legislature gave the phone companies. > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From lkateley at kateley.com Wed Jan 29 14:21:06 2014 From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 14:21:06 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Cell phone bill In-Reply-To: <52E95A28.7060609@meltel.net> References: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C710F55382@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> <20140127140022.702539f0@Newton> <52E6FAD0.20404@meltel.net> <52E95A28.7060609@meltel.net> Message-ID: <52E962B2.5090901@kateley.com> One of my kids friends has an app that takes a picture of anyone who tries to get into his phone after 3 failed tries. I think that's cool. Not impossible to trace. Very possible to trace. In my school district they are rolling out ipads. They did a test and had someone take one and hide it. They found it within the hour. My kids and husband have iphones so i can find them or turn them off with find my iphone. I am certain the droids have the same thing. The technology is here we just have to use it. :) linda On 1/29/14 1:44 PM, Tom Poe wrote: > On 01/29/2014 01:17 PM, Mike Miller wrote: >> On Tue, 28 Jan 2014, Tony Yarusso wrote: >> >>> Right now the carrier can kill your phone at any time. >>> >>> This bill would let YOU kill your phone at any time. >> >> >> Is that correct? I think Max is right about this being the sort of >> issue we should be keeping an eye on. I'm not clear at all on what >> this bill would require. The bill is requiring that their be some >> mechanism whereby the phone can be shut off somehow, not just as a >> cell phone, but also as a WiFi device. >> >> I don't even understand how that would work. I do understand the >> goal - to make stole phones worthless, which sounds like a good >> idea. It might save lives (as the article says - people have been >> killed for their cell phones). >> >> Mike >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > Rules and regulations pertaining to manufacture of devices is one > thing. Codifying through legislative acts is another. Our government > has rules and regulations on the use of Open Source software in > government devices. Has our government codified those rules through > legislative acts? If not, why not? Some are using the logic that > people are killed over cell phones. I haven't heard any support that > a kill switch deters further thefts or deaths. Begs the question as > to why the kill switch needs to be legislated at this time. Begins to > sound like the legislation that followed years of surveillance conduct > that the legislature gave the phone companies. > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ryanjcole at me.com Wed Jan 29 14:24:59 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 14:24:59 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Cell phone bill In-Reply-To: <52E962B2.5090901@kateley.com> References: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C710F55382@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> <20140127140022.702539f0@Newton> <52E6FAD0.20404@meltel.net> <52E95A28.7060609@meltel.net> <52E962B2.5090901@kateley.com> Message-ID: <212E5EB9-7B19-4D0C-9B7C-7699800402AC@me.com> And very easy to make non-functional. Kill the radio, remove the SIM, disable WiFi? I could take his phone (let?s say it?s an iPhone) and have it complete reset and functional in minutes. Or hundreds of codes could be entered without a single photo being sent. This isn?t the same thing as eay to trace, if someone steals a phone usually the first thing they do is turn it off eliminating tracking capabilities. On Jan 29, 2014, at 2:21 PM, Linda Kateley wrote: > One of my kids friends has an app that takes a picture of anyone who tries to get into his phone after 3 failed tries. I think that's cool. Not impossible to trace. Very possible to trace. > > In my school district they are rolling out ipads. They did a test and had someone take one and hide it. They found it within the hour. > > My kids and husband have iphones so i can find them or turn them off with find my iphone. I am certain the droids have the same thing. > > The technology is here we just have to use it. :) > > linda > > > On 1/29/14 1:44 PM, Tom Poe wrote: >> On 01/29/2014 01:17 PM, Mike Miller wrote: >>> On Tue, 28 Jan 2014, Tony Yarusso wrote: >>> >>>> Right now the carrier can kill your phone at any time. >>>> >>>> This bill would let YOU kill your phone at any time. >>> >>> >>> Is that correct? I think Max is right about this being the sort of issue we should be keeping an eye on. I'm not clear at all on what this bill would require. The bill is requiring that their be some mechanism whereby the phone can be shut off somehow, not just as a cell phone, but also as a WiFi device. >>> >>> I don't even understand how that would work. I do understand the goal - to make stole phones worthless, which sounds like a good idea. It might save lives (as the article says - people have been killed for their cell phones). >>> >>> Mike >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >> Rules and regulations pertaining to manufacture of devices is one thing. Codifying through legislative acts is another. Our government has rules and regulations on the use of Open Source software in government devices. Has our government codified those rules through legislative acts? If not, why not? Some are using the logic that people are killed over cell phones. I haven't heard any support that a kill switch deters further thefts or deaths. Begs the question as to why the kill switch needs to be legislated at this time. Begins to sound like the legislation that followed years of surveillance conduct that the legislature gave the phone companies. >> Tom >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From mbmiller+l at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 01:10:44 2014 From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 01:10:44 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] Cell phone bill In-Reply-To: <52E95A28.7060609@meltel.net> References: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C710F55382@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> <20140127140022.702539f0@Newton> <52E6FAD0.20404@meltel.net> <52E95A28.7060609@meltel.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 29 Jan 2014, Tom Poe wrote: > Some are using the logic that people are killed over cell phones. I > haven't heard any support that a kill switch deters further thefts or > deaths. If no stolen phone can ever be used again because all of them have been killed, then they have no value to a thief and they won't be stolen. I think that's pretty obvious, but I'm not sure of how they can do it. If someone steals a phone and turns it off right way, then nothing's going to kill it, right? It might then be sold and shipped to Hong Kong. Are way saying that there is no way that it can then be used in Hong Kong because of the kill switch? I just don't understand how that switch works -- what triggers it, and what is switching? Mike From cncole at earthlink.net Thu Jan 30 02:28:17 2014 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 02:28:17 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Cell phone bill In-Reply-To: References: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C710F55382@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> <20140127140022.702539f0@Newton> <52E6FAD0.20404@meltel.net> <52E95A28.7060609@meltel.net> Message-ID: <0DEB5EAD2DF84B1F8A0AE807AF5D9F4D@d830a> > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Mike Miller > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:11 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Cell phone bill > > On Wed, 29 Jan 2014, Tom Poe wrote: > > > Some are using the logic that people are killed over cell > phones. I > > haven't heard any support that a kill switch deters further > thefts or > > deaths. > > > If no stolen phone can ever be used again because all of them > have been > killed, then they have no value to a thief and they won't be stolen. > > I think that's pretty obvious, but I'm not sure of how they > can do it. > If someone steals a phone and turns it off right way, then > nothing's going > to kill it, right? It might then be sold and shipped to Hong > Kong. Are > way saying that there is no way that it can then be used in Hong Kong > because of the kill switch? I just don't understand how that > switch works > -- what triggers it, and what is switching? > > Mike If totally off, it can't be killed, but if on long enough for the RF network to see it try to ping a tower it could be zapped before making any connection the user would know about - unless the user was in a very sophisticated lab setup and controls or spoofs that pinging. Disabling might be done by a fusible link that would fry circuitry. Though this is POSSIBLE, it's expensive to add such a programming step when a phone is "commissioned", and it probably would make selling a used phone and changing the code for a new legal owner hard or impossible. Chuck From stuporglue at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 09:32:17 2014 From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 09:32:17 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Cell phone bill In-Reply-To: References: <994D9F23C50CD44BA7A8AED87EC114C710F55382@de08ex3001.global.ds.honeywell.com> <20140127140022.702539f0@Newton> <52E6FAD0.20404@meltel.net> <52E95A28.7060609@meltel.net> Message-ID: > Some are using the logic that people are killed over cell phones. I >> haven't heard any support that a kill switch deters further thefts or >> deaths. >> > > > If no stolen phone can ever be used again because all of them have been > killed, then they have no value to a thief and they won't be stolen. > > I think that's pretty obvious, but I'm not sure of how they can do it. If > someone steals a phone and turns it off right way, then nothing's going to > kill it, right? It might then be sold and shipped to Hong Kong. Are way > saying that there is no way that it can then be used in Hong Kong because > of the kill switch? I just don't understand how that switch works -- what > triggers it, and what is switching? I thought that the way the kill switches work in other countries is that the IMIE number is blocked and that a blocked IMIE number list is shared between cell providers. As long as the phone goes to a country that shares the IMIE block list with your country, then the phone is useless. If this kill switch bill is implemented this way, I believe it would bring us in line with Europe's kill switch policies. Some phones might still make it from Minneapolis to some non IMIE block-list country, but any low-level mugging thief won't have those connections, and Iran and Cuba only need so many iPhones. -- Michael Moore -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjensen at apache.org Fri Jan 31 07:43:36 2014 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 07:43:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Domain registrars? Message-ID: Does anyone have good recommendations? Is namecheap one of the least expensive that also has a good product and service? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Fri Jan 31 07:46:07 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 07:46:07 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Domain registrars? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0871D73A-6255-4002-913E-77390C4AFFE8@me.com> I switched from Network Solutions to GoDaddy in 2004 and never looked back. Not necc. the cheapest anymore but their interface and tools make up for it. On Jan 31, 2014, at 7:43 AM, Jeff Jensen wrote: > Does anyone have good recommendations? > > Is namecheap one of the least expensive that also has a good product and service? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jjensen at apache.org Fri Jan 31 08:00:24 2014 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 08:00:24 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Domain registrars? In-Reply-To: <0871D73A-6255-4002-913E-77390C4AFFE8@me.com> References: <0871D73A-6255-4002-913E-77390C4AFFE8@me.com> Message-ID: Thanks Ryan... Does GoDaddy's support of SOPA and other "corporate issues" make you want to change registrars? Are those important items in your decision? 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URL: From robert at hutman.net Fri Jan 31 07:55:41 2014 From: robert at hutman.net (Robert Radtke) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 07:55:41 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Domain registrars? In-Reply-To: <0871D73A-6255-4002-913E-77390C4AFFE8@me.com> References: <0871D73A-6255-4002-913E-77390C4AFFE8@me.com> Message-ID: I've used easydns.com before and was really happy with their dashboard tools. I've heard hover.com is good as well. Both have decent control panels that don't look like a geocities site full of ads. On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I switched from Network Solutions to GoDaddy in 2004 and never looked back. > > Not necc. the cheapest anymore but their interface and tools make up for > it. > > On Jan 31, 2014, at 7:43 AM, Jeff Jensen wrote: > > > Does anyone have good recommendations? > > > > Is namecheap one of the least expensive that also has a good product and > service? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert Radtke Hutman Inc robert at hutman.net 1710 N. Douglas Dr. #285 612.843.1400 Minneapolis, MN 55422 #!/hutman~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Fri Jan 31 08:04:10 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 08:04:10 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Domain registrars? In-Reply-To: References: <0871D73A-6255-4002-913E-77390C4AFFE8@me.com> Message-ID: <7534EDEE-D577-463F-A86E-034AAA8D5A29@me.com> I?ll cross that bridge if it ever becomes necessary. And, no, it?s not a factor. That said - I have 35 domains there. I cannot afford to move them at this time. On Jan 31, 2014, at 8:00 AM, Jeff Jensen wrote: > Thanks Ryan... > Does GoDaddy's support of SOPA and other "corporate issues" make you want to change registrars? Are those important items in your decision? > > > > On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I switched from Network Solutions to GoDaddy in 2004 and never looked back. > > Not necc. the cheapest anymore but their interface and tools make up for it. > > On Jan 31, 2014, at 7:43 AM, Jeff Jensen wrote: > > > Does anyone have good recommendations? > > > > Is namecheap one of the least expensive that also has a good product and service? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjensen at apache.org Fri Jan 31 08:16:00 2014 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 08:16:00 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Domain registrars? In-Reply-To: References: <0871D73A-6255-4002-913E-77390C4AFFE8@me.com> Message-ID: Thank you for those referrals... On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Robert Radtke wrote: > I've used easydns.com before and was really happy with their dashboard > tools. I've heard hover.com is good as well. Both have decent control > panels that don't look like a geocities site full of ads. > > > > On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > >> I switched from Network Solutions to GoDaddy in 2004 and never looked >> back. >> >> Not necc. the cheapest anymore but their interface and tools make up for >> it. >> >> On Jan 31, 2014, at 7:43 AM, Jeff Jensen wrote: >> >> > Does anyone have good recommendations? >> > >> > Is namecheap one of the least expensive that also has a good product >> and service? >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Robert Radtke Hutman Inc > robert at hutman.net 1710 N. Douglas Dr. #285 > 612.843.1400 Minneapolis, MN 55422 > #!/hutman~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jjensen at apache.org Fri Jan 31 08:16:13 2014 From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 08:16:13 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Domain registrars? In-Reply-To: <7534EDEE-D577-463F-A86E-034AAA8D5A29@me.com> References: <0871D73A-6255-4002-913E-77390C4AFFE8@me.com> <7534EDEE-D577-463F-A86E-034AAA8D5A29@me.com> Message-ID: :-) On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 8:04 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I'll cross that bridge if it ever becomes necessary. And, no, it's not a > factor. > > That said - I have 35 domains there. I cannot afford to move them at this > time. > > On Jan 31, 2014, at 8:00 AM, Jeff Jensen wrote: > > Thanks Ryan... > Does GoDaddy's support of SOPA and other "corporate issues" make you want > to change registrars? Are those important items in your decision? > > > > On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > >> I switched from Network Solutions to GoDaddy in 2004 and never looked >> back. >> >> Not necc. the cheapest anymore but their interface and tools make up for >> it. >> >> On Jan 31, 2014, at 7:43 AM, Jeff Jensen wrote: >> >> > Does anyone have good recommendations? >> > >> > Is namecheap one of the least expensive that also has a good product >> and service? >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lkateley at kateley.com Fri Jan 31 08:39:00 2014 From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 08:39:00 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Domain registrars? In-Reply-To: <0871D73A-6255-4002-913E-77390C4AFFE8@me.com> References: <0871D73A-6255-4002-913E-77390C4AFFE8@me.com> Message-ID: <52EBB584.50100@kateley.com> Yea I use godaddy too. I have one domain registered at godaddy that's hosted on google and have never been able to break it free. At least on godaddy there are people you can talk to. I have one domain and web on ipage, which is like $4 a month. Cheap. I had googled the top 10 at one point and there was alot of little good hosters. Depends on if you just want the domain. lk On 1/31/14, 7:46 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I switched from Network Solutions to GoDaddy in 2004 and never looked back. > > Not necc. the cheapest anymore but their interface and tools make up for it. > > On Jan 31, 2014, at 7:43 AM, Jeff Jensen wrote: > >> Does anyone have good recommendations? >> >> Is namecheap one of the least expensive that also has a good product and service? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From erik.mitchell at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 08:56:36 2014 From: erik.mitchell at gmail.com (Erik Mitchell) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 08:56:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Domain registrars? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Jeff, I've been using 1 and 1 for a long time and haven't been disappointed enough to switch. They only allow 1 year registrations though, with an auto-renewal. GoDaddy is good because (last I used it) you can register a domain for 10 years. Domain expiration date is an SEO factor, at least it has been in the past. The further out it is, the better. Good luck, Erik On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Jeff Jensen wrote: > Does anyone have good recommendations? > > Is namecheap one of the least expensive that also has a good product and > service? > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -- Erik K. Mitchell erik.mitchell at gmail.com From jmore at starmind.org Fri Jan 31 08:53:31 2014 From: jmore at starmind.org (Josh More) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 08:53:31 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Domain registrars? In-Reply-To: <52EBB584.50100@kateley.com> References: <0871D73A-6255-4002-913E-77390C4AFFE8@me.com> <52EBB584.50100@kateley.com> Message-ID: I detest GoDaddy for reasons of ethical behaviour and operational security. There's no need to rant here, as details on those issues are just a google search away. To answer the original question, I use Gandi.net. It's a bit more expensive, but they provide rock solid support *AND* direct BIND zone manipulation. I can't speak for their other services, as all I use is DNS reg. -Josh On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Linda Kateley wrote: > Yea I use godaddy too. I have one domain registered at godaddy that's > hosted on google and have never been able to break it free. At least on > godaddy there are people you can talk to. > > I have one domain and web on ipage, which is like $4 a month. Cheap. > > I had googled the top 10 at one point and there was alot of little good > hosters. Depends on if you just want the domain. > > lk > > On 1/31/14, 7:46 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > >> I switched from Network Solutions to GoDaddy in 2004 and never looked >> back. >> >> Not necc. the cheapest anymore but their interface and tools make up for >> it. >> >> On Jan 31, 2014, at 7:43 AM, Jeff Jensen wrote: >> >> Does anyone have good recommendations? >>> >>> Is namecheap one of the least expensive that also has a good product and >>> service? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kaze0010 at umn.edu Fri Jan 31 09:21:06 2014 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 09:21:06 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Domain registrars? In-Reply-To: References: <0871D73A-6255-4002-913E-77390C4AFFE8@me.com> <52EBB584.50100@kateley.com> Message-ID: <52EBBF62.8010200@umn.edu> Another one to consider is EasyDNS, based in Canada. They also cost a bit more but are quite vocal on their position on certain matters: http://blog.easydns.org/2013/10/08/whatever-happened-to-due-process/ http://blog.easydns.org/2010/11/27/first-they-came-for-the-file-sharing-domains/ GoDaddy's record is not nearly as clear. -hk On 01/31/2014 08:53 AM, Josh More wrote: > I detest GoDaddy for reasons of ethical behaviour and operational > security. There's no need to rant here, as details on those issues are > just a google search away. > > To answer the original question, I use Gandi.net. It's a bit more > expensive, but they provide rock solid support *AND* direct BIND zone > manipulation. I can't speak for their other services, as all I use is > DNS reg. > > -Josh > > > > > On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Linda Kateley > wrote: > > Yea I use godaddy too. I have one domain registered at godaddy > that's hosted on google and have never been able to break it free. > At least on godaddy there are people you can talk to. > > I have one domain and web on ipage, which is like $4 a month. Cheap. > > I had googled the top 10 at one point and there was alot of little > good hosters. Depends on if you just want the domain. > > lk > > On 1/31/14, 7:46 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > > I switched from Network Solutions to GoDaddy in 2004 and never > looked back. > > Not necc. the cheapest anymore but their interface and tools > make up for it. > > On Jan 31, 2014, at 7:43 AM, Jeff Jensen > wrote: > > Does anyone have good recommendations? > > Is namecheap one of the least expensive that also has a > good product and service? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nmarkon at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 09:31:23 2014 From: nmarkon at gmail.com (Noah Markon) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 09:31:23 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Domain registrars? In-Reply-To: <52EBBF62.8010200@umn.edu> References: <0871D73A-6255-4002-913E-77390C4AFFE8@me.com> <52EBB584.50100@kateley.com> <52EBBF62.8010200@umn.edu> Message-ID: I have heard good things about https://dnsimple.com/. Personally I have not used them, I currently use godaddy however I would not be using them if I actually used my websites for anything. On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 9:21 AM, Haudy Kazemi wrote: > Another one to consider is EasyDNS, based in Canada. They also cost a > bit more but are quite vocal on their position on certain matters: > > http://blog.easydns.org/2013/10/08/whatever-happened-to-due-process/ > > http://blog.easydns.org/2010/11/27/first-they-came-for-the-file-sharing-domains/ > > GoDaddy's record is not nearly as clear. > > -hk > > > On 01/31/2014 08:53 AM, Josh More wrote: > > I detest GoDaddy for reasons of ethical behaviour and operational > security. There's no need to rant here, as details on those issues are just > a google search away. > > To answer the original question, I use Gandi.net. It's a bit more > expensive, but they provide rock solid support *AND* direct BIND zone > manipulation. I can't speak for their other services, as all I use is DNS > reg. > > -Josh > > > > > On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Linda Kateley wrote: > >> Yea I use godaddy too. I have one domain registered at godaddy that's >> hosted on google and have never been able to break it free. At least on >> godaddy there are people you can talk to. >> >> I have one domain and web on ipage, which is like $4 a month. Cheap. >> >> I had googled the top 10 at one point and there was alot of little good >> hosters. Depends on if you just want the domain. >> >> lk >> >> On 1/31/14, 7:46 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> >>> I switched from Network Solutions to GoDaddy in 2004 and never looked >>> back. >>> >>> Not necc. the cheapest anymore but their interface and tools make up for >>> it. >>> >>> On Jan 31, 2014, at 7:43 AM, Jeff Jensen wrote: >>> >>> Does anyone have good recommendations? >>>> >>>> Is namecheap one of the least expensive that also has a good product >>>> and service? >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesotatclug-list at mn-linux.orghttp://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They also cost a > bit more but are quite vocal on their position on certain matters: > > http://blog.easydns.org/2013/10/08/whatever-happened-to-due-process/ > http://blog.easydns.org/2010/11/27/first-they-came-for-the-file-sharing-domains/ > > GoDaddy's record is not nearly as clear. > > -hk > > On 01/31/2014 08:53 AM, Josh More wrote: >> I detest GoDaddy for reasons of ethical behaviour and operational >> security. There's no need to rant here, as details on those issues >> are just a google search away. >> >> To answer the original question, I use Gandi.net. It's a bit more >> expensive, but they provide rock solid support *AND* direct BIND zone >> manipulation. I can't speak for their other services, as all I use >> is DNS reg. >> >> -Josh >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Linda Kateley > > wrote: >> >> Yea I use godaddy too. I have one domain registered at godaddy >> that's hosted on google and have never been able to break it >> free. At least on godaddy there are people you can talk to. >> >> I have one domain and web on ipage, which is like $4 a month. Cheap. >> >> I had googled the top 10 at one point and there was alot of >> little good hosters. Depends on if you just want the domain. >> >> lk >> >> On 1/31/14, 7:46 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> >> I switched from Network Solutions to GoDaddy in 2004 and >> never looked back. >> >> Not necc. the cheapest anymore but their interface and tools >> make up for it. >> >> On Jan 31, 2014, at 7:43 AM, Jeff Jensen > > wrote: >> >> Does anyone have good recommendations? >> >> Is namecheap one of the least expensive that also has a >> good product and service? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.a.frisk at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 10:02:00 2014 From: john.a.frisk at gmail.com (John Frisk) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 10:02:00 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Domain registrars? In-Reply-To: <52EBC32E.8030607@kateley.com> References: <0871D73A-6255-4002-913E-77390C4AFFE8@me.com> <52EBB584.50100@kateley.com> <52EBBF62.8010200@umn.edu> <52EBC32E.8030607@kateley.com> Message-ID: Has anyone used dyn.com to register and maintain their domain? It used to be the old dyndns service. On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Linda Kateley wrote: > I read the "due process" blog in the link. I thought getting swindled on > the internet was a rite of passage? :) > > linda > > > On 1/31/14, 9:21 AM, Haudy Kazemi wrote: > > Another one to consider is EasyDNS, based in Canada. They also cost a bit > more but are quite vocal on their position on certain matters: > > http://blog.easydns.org/2013/10/08/whatever-happened-to-due-process/ > > http://blog.easydns.org/2010/11/27/first-they-came-for-the-file-sharing-domains/ > > GoDaddy's record is not nearly as clear. > > -hk > > On 01/31/2014 08:53 AM, Josh More wrote: > > I detest GoDaddy for reasons of ethical behaviour and operational > security. There's no need to rant here, as details on those issues are just > a google search away. > > To answer the original question, I use Gandi.net. It's a bit more > expensive, but they provide rock solid support *AND* direct BIND zone > manipulation. I can't speak for their other services, as all I use is DNS > reg. > > -Josh > > > > > On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Linda Kateley wrote: > >> Yea I use godaddy too. I have one domain registered at godaddy that's >> hosted on google and have never been able to break it free. At least on >> godaddy there are people you can talk to. >> >> I have one domain and web on ipage, which is like $4 a month. Cheap. >> >> I had googled the top 10 at one point and there was alot of little good >> hosters. Depends on if you just want the domain. >> >> lk >> >> On 1/31/14, 7:46 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> >>> I switched from Network Solutions to GoDaddy in 2004 and never looked >>> back. >>> >>> Not necc. the cheapest anymore but their interface and tools make up for >>> it. >>> >>> On Jan 31, 2014, at 7:43 AM, Jeff Jensen wrote: >>> >>> Does anyone have good recommendations? >>>> >>>> Is namecheap one of the least expensive that also has a good product >>>> and service? >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesotatclug-list at mn-linux.orghttp://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesotatclug-list at mn-linux.orghttp://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Fri Jan 31 10:15:40 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 10:15:40 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Domain registrars? In-Reply-To: References: <0871D73A-6255-4002-913E-77390C4AFFE8@me.com> <52EBB584.50100@kateley.com> <52EBBF62.8010200@umn.edu> <52EBC32E.8030607@kateley.com> Message-ID: I use them for DNS Host record service for one domain and have since 2008. I like that service but I haven?t used them to manage domains. On Jan 31, 2014, at 10:02 AM, John Frisk wrote: > Has anyone used dyn.com to register and maintain their domain? It used to be the old dyndns service. > > > On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Linda Kateley wrote: > I read the "due process" blog in the link. I thought getting swindled on the internet was a rite of passage? :) > > linda > > > On 1/31/14, 9:21 AM, Haudy Kazemi wrote: >> Another one to consider is EasyDNS, based in Canada. They also cost a bit more but are quite vocal on their position on certain matters: >> >> http://blog.easydns.org/2013/10/08/whatever-happened-to-due-process/ >> http://blog.easydns.org/2010/11/27/first-they-came-for-the-file-sharing-domains/ >> >> GoDaddy's record is not nearly as clear. >> >> -hk >> >> On 01/31/2014 08:53 AM, Josh More wrote: >>> I detest GoDaddy for reasons of ethical behaviour and operational security. There's no need to rant here, as details on those issues are just a google search away. >>> >>> To answer the original question, I use Gandi.net. It's a bit more expensive, but they provide rock solid support *AND* direct BIND zone manipulation. I can't speak for their other services, as all I use is DNS reg. >>> >>> -Josh >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 8:39 AM, Linda Kateley wrote: >>> Yea I use godaddy too. I have one domain registered at godaddy that's hosted on google and have never been able to break it free. At least on godaddy there are people you can talk to. >>> >>> I have one domain and web on ipage, which is like $4 a month. Cheap. >>> >>> I had googled the top 10 at one point and there was alot of little good hosters. Depends on if you just want the domain. >>> >>> lk >>> >>> On 1/31/14, 7:46 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: >>> I switched from Network Solutions to GoDaddy in 2004 and never looked back. >>> >>> Not necc. the cheapest anymore but their interface and tools make up for it. >>> >>> On Jan 31, 2014, at 7:43 AM, Jeff Jensen wrote: >>> >>> Does anyone have good recommendations? >>> >>> Is namecheap one of the least expensive that also has a good product and service? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 10:36:25 2014 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 10:36:25 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Domain registrars? In-Reply-To: References: <0871D73A-6255-4002-913E-77390C4AFFE8@me.com> <52EBB584.50100@kateley.com> <52EBBF62.8010200@umn.edu> <52EBC32E.8030607@kateley.com> Message-ID: I've been happy with name.com. I like that their interface seems to let me manage my domains without "getting in the way" with too much other stuff. They're also sane on the anti-SOPA train and such, which does matter to me. I haven't used them for registration, but I am also using EasyDNS for DNS on some domains, and like them so far. Gandi.net is one I haven't used personally, but a ton of my FLOSS contacts are all googly-eyed about them. From erikerik at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 10:38:44 2014 From: erikerik at gmail.com (Erik Anderson) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 10:38:44 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Domain registrars? In-Reply-To: References: <0871D73A-6255-4002-913E-77390C4AFFE8@me.com> <52EBB584.50100@kateley.com> <52EBBF62.8010200@umn.edu> <52EBC32E.8030607@kateley.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Tony Yarusso wrote: > I've been happy with name.com. I like that their interface seems to > let me manage my domains without "getting in the way" with too much > other stuff. They're also sane on the anti-SOPA train and such, which > does matter to me. > +1 for name.com. I use them only for registration, leaving DNS to either linode.com's hosted DNS service or Route53. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hpenner at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 10:42:47 2014 From: hpenner at gmail.com (Harry Penner) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 10:42:47 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Domain registrars? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <557AC968-178A-43D9-A045-27292455AD87@gmail.com> +1 for NameCheap... Nothing special, but cheap and no complaints... But only 3 domains for 3 years so I can't speak much to their track record. > On Jan 31, 2014, at 7:43, Jeff Jensen wrote: > > Does anyone have good recommendations? > > Is namecheap one of the least expensive that also has a good product and service? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com Fri Jan 31 09:54:03 2014 From: jhsu802701 at jasonhsu.com (Jason Hsu) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 09:54:03 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Domain registrars? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20140131095403.5fe8182dd44a767d19421d44@jasonhsu.com> I'm in the process of transferring all of my domains to DomainDiscover (now called TierraNet) as their renewal dates approach. DomainDiscover was my first domain name registrar. I didn't leave because of any problems but to save money. I'm moving back, because the savings elsewhere weren't really worth it. My reasons for using DomainDiscover/TierraNet: 1. I never, ever had any problems with it. None of my domains ever had any downtime while I was using it. 2. It's ICANN-accredited and NOT a reseller. The trouble with using a reseller as a domain name registrar is that there are two potential sources of problems - the reseller AND the direct registrar. I'd rather deal with just the direct registrar. 3. Although DomainDiscover/TierraNet has a fairly respectable size, I couldn't find any complaints about it. http://www.webhosting.info/registrars/top-registrars/global/ shows DomainDiscover to be the 21st largest provider (559,894 domains). However, entering "DomainDiscover sucks" or "TierraNet sucks" into Google shows that nobody has publicly complained about the service. In contrast, entering "GoDaddy sucks" or "Enom sucks" yields thousands of hits. Even after adjusting for the number of domains, DomainDiscover/TierraNet still comes out far ahead of GoDaddy, Enom, etc. 4. DomainDiscover/TierraNet hasn't made the controversial moves of GoDaddy. 5. New registrations for .com, .net, .org, and .info domains are just $12/year, and renewals are just $15/year. While there are cheaper domain name registrars, using one of them means sacrificing quality. Furthermore, whether you're paying $1.25/month or $0.50/month for your domain name registration is unlikely to break the bank. It's also a good idea to get your domain name registration and web hosting/email service through separate companies. If you have a problem with the domain name registrar, all you have to do is transfer your domain to another registrar to get back to normal. If you have a problem with the web hosting/email service, all you have to do is find a replacement and then log into your domain name registrar to update your information. If both are provided by the same company, you're out of luck. On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 07:43:36 -0600 Jeff Jensen wrote: > Does anyone have good recommendations? > > Is namecheap one of the least expensive that also has a good product and > service? -- Jason Hsu From stuporglue at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 11:04:51 2014 From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 11:04:51 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Internet white list and time limits for a single user? Message-ID: My 7 year old is wanting to go online more and more. Up to now we've only let him use the internet when we're actively watching over his shoulder. He's allowed to use the computer whenever he wants, but not the internet. There's a single computer that he uses (running Debian) and he has his own account. Does anyone have any suggestions for filtering software or that would provide some or all of the following? * Ability to set a whitelist for a specific user * Ability to set internet time limit for a specific user * Ability for an admin to enter a password to override both restrictions * Easy for an admin to add additional sites to the whitelist Alternative ideas are welcome too. Thanks, Michael Moore -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Fri Jan 31 11:08:01 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 11:08:01 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Internet white list and time limits for a single user? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I know there are Windows products (obviously not what you?re looking for) that do all this? My guess is you?ll find two or three solutions that, in combination, do what you want. I know that pfSense is capable of three of your four but it will require some setup and testing. On Jan 31, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Michael Moore wrote: > My 7 year old is wanting to go online more and more. Up to now we've only let him use the internet when we're actively watching over his shoulder. > > He's allowed to use the computer whenever he wants, but not the internet. There's a single computer that he uses (running Debian) and he has his own account. > > Does anyone have any suggestions for filtering software or that would provide some or all of the following? > > * Ability to set a whitelist for a specific user > * Ability to set internet time limit for a specific user > * Ability for an admin to enter a password to override both restrictions > * Easy for an admin to add additional sites to the whitelist > > Alternative ideas are welcome too. > > Thanks, > Michael Moore > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From stuporglue at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 11:25:45 2014 From: stuporglue at gmail.com (Michael Moore) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 11:25:45 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Internet white list and time limits for a single user? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I know there are Windows products (obviously not what you?re looking for) > that do all this? > > My guess is you?ll find two or three solutions that, in combination, do > what you want. I know that pfSense is capable of three of your four but it > will require some setup and testing. > I assume that I'd set up a proxy with pfSense and then configure my kids's account or their browser to use the proxy? -- Michael > > On Jan 31, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Michael Moore wrote: > > > My 7 year old is wanting to go online more and more. Up to now we've > only let him use the internet when we're actively watching over his > shoulder. > > > > He's allowed to use the computer whenever he wants, but not the > internet. There's a single computer that he uses (running Debian) and he > has his own account. > > > > Does anyone have any suggestions for filtering software or that would > provide some or all of the following? > > > > * Ability to set a whitelist for a specific user > > * Ability to set internet time limit for a specific user > > * Ability for an admin to enter a password to override both restrictions > > * Easy for an admin to add additional sites to the whitelist > > > > Alternative ideas are welcome too. > > > > Thanks, > > Michael Moore > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I used DynDNS.org before that, but once I didn't need the dns services anymore, I jumped ship since they're a bit more expensive. -Andrew On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Jeff Jensen wrote: > Does anyone have good recommendations? > > Is namecheap one of the least expensive that also has a good product and > service? > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryanjcole at me.com Fri Jan 31 16:39:47 2014 From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 16:39:47 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Domain registrars? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <717E0B48-3A84-44E4-B9DB-1F1E5F966BA0@me.com> I?m thankful for people who make it happen, not some deity. 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URL: From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Fri Jan 31 22:24:58 2014 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 22:24:58 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] bluetooth ick Message-ID: > can pair and be selected for headset service, but do not show up in pavucontrol, nor work blueman-manager pair connect to headset service pactl load-module module-bluetooth-discover use linphone yay! now for extra credit, can this work with alsa only? and still have input&output volume controls? From sfertch at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 23:34:36 2014 From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 23:34:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Internet white list and time limits for a single user? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm not sure if this will do all of what you're looking for. But, worth a look: http://www.opendns.com/home-internet-security/parental-controls/opendns-home/ On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Michael Moore wrote: > My 7 year old is wanting to go online more and more. Up to now we've only > let him use the internet when we're actively watching over his shoulder. > > He's allowed to use the computer whenever he wants, but not the internet. > There's a single computer that he uses (running Debian) and he has his own > account. > > Does anyone have any suggestions for filtering software or that would > provide some or all of the following? > > * Ability to set a whitelist for a specific user > * Ability to set internet time limit for a specific user > * Ability for an admin to enter a password to override both restrictions > * Easy for an admin to add additional sites to the whitelist > > Alternative ideas are welcome too. > > Thanks, > Michael Moore > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -- -Shawn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: