From samael.anon at gmail.com  Mon Sep  1 17:23:00 2014
From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael Anon)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 22:23:00 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Simple shopping cart code
Message-ID: <CA+V7kPq=jmPzF+9d8t3CkySZjDVWKe5Z-A4weqW=WQbmQtC7wQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am setting up Zen Cart on GoDaddy Linux hosted account.  The site will
only sell from 1 to 3 items.  Is there a simple code I can add to my
website or an alternate cart that is free and open source.  I read that I
may need a deep understanding of HTML and Ajax to mani
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From samael.anon at gmail.com  Mon Sep  1 17:27:31 2014
From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael Anon)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 22:27:31 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Simple shopping cart code
In-Reply-To: <CA+V7kPq=jmPzF+9d8t3CkySZjDVWKe5Z-A4weqW=WQbmQtC7wQ@mail.gmail.com>
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manipulate templates on the shopping cart.  I want it to look like the
website I am building; no graphics on it yet or I would share a link.  I am
out of my comfort zone due to time limitations for learning.  Ideas anyone?

oh i sent it off too soon which is why there is 2...


On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Samael Anon <samael.anon at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am setting up Zen Cart on GoDaddy Linux hosted account.  The site will
> only sell from 1 to 3 items.  Is there a simple code I can add to my
> website or an alternate cart that is free and open source.  I read that I
> may need a deep understanding of HTML and Ajax to mani
>
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From samael.anon at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 15:07:29 2014
From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael Anon)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 20:07:29 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Sata Drive
In-Reply-To: <830EF64566644C4D8735F8F9755D3D79@d830a>
References: <CA+V7kPrxyR1f-_p_3Di1TmryD3_ehgfMYvuBtkBfP18njoxL+g@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1408300122050.7088@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <9CE89B93-6F2F-4CF4-A7B9-495F00CA90D6@me.com>
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i have found a solution.  Thank you all for your responses.


On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:

> The fast  hybrid SSHD Seagate models can be bought new for less than $120,
> maybe $100 by careful eBay shopping.
>
> Seagate Laptop SSHD 1 TB,Internal,5400 RPM,2.5" (ST1000LM014)
>
> Mine is 4 times faster than my "standard" 1 TB 5400 drive.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman
> > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 3:05 PM
> > To: TCLUG Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Sata Drive
> >
> > $100 for 1TB, or even less today.
> >
> > I think I saw 500GB 5400s for $30 or $40.
> >
> > On Aug 30, 2014, at 1:23, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:
> >
> > > I have bunches of 'em. You can have one of the not-awesome
> > ones (; I should point out though that new 7200RPM
> > spinny-disk laptop harddrives are dirt cheap nowadays.
> > >
> > > On Fri, 29 Aug 2014, Samael Anon wrote:
> > >
> > >> I am working on a website for someone and my hard drive
> > went bad.  using a
> > >> live version of Ubuntu but have to reinstall gimp, etc.
> > anyone have an old
> > >> laptop sata drive sitting around?
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From o1bigtenor at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 15:09:28 2014
From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 15:09:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Sata Drive
In-Reply-To: <CA+V7kPp-A-9rwUyM2W1CO1e42dRk3cosFjVtfQ8vUOyWJi+yPA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+V7kPrxyR1f-_p_3Di1TmryD3_ehgfMYvuBtkBfP18njoxL+g@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1408300122050.7088@cockerel.yaron.org>
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 <830EF64566644C4D8735F8F9755D3D79@d830a>
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On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Samael Anon <samael.anon at gmail.com> wrote:

> i have found a solution.  Thank you all for your responses.
>
>
What was it?

Darald
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From samael.anon at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 15:19:01 2014
From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael Anon)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 20:19:01 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Sata Drive
In-Reply-To: <CAPpdf59rZOFkHLR=j2wSeAevWU+zS0C3fWCqWHDvMGx0Z5EXYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+V7kPrxyR1f-_p_3Di1TmryD3_ehgfMYvuBtkBfP18njoxL+g@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1408300122050.7088@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <9CE89B93-6F2F-4CF4-A7B9-495F00CA90D6@me.com>
 <830EF64566644C4D8735F8F9755D3D79@d830a>
 <CA+V7kPp-A-9rwUyM2W1CO1e42dRk3cosFjVtfQ8vUOyWJi+yPA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CA+V7kPrn24-wjNUh4A+8z=QX-3cz-sK-b7KzCTGMqCmU=oX26w@mail.gmail.com>

tclug at freakzilla had some sitting around.  I am going to pick up tonight.
4 kids 6 and under; all my cash, well.....


On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 8:09 PM, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Samael Anon <samael.anon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> i have found a solution.  Thank you all for your responses.
>>
>>
> What was it?
>
> Darald
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From danyberg at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 21:09:32 2014
From: danyberg at gmail.com (swede)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 21:09:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: wireless access point choice.
Message-ID: <CAM-0Q0TDWk-k7OEphB75XjTrfnvnnFti0SnZVf6KMdN_QEqhEQ@mail.gmail.com>

OT:  Looking for a good wireless router (Access Point) to reside on the
Green (local) side of my IPCOP machine.  I've been using a WRT54G2 for many
years now and am looking for something that will work as well but newer and
faster.  I only use it as an access point with MAC security setup and let
IPCOP handle the rest.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B0CQCCC/?tag=googhydr-20&hvadid=31028616925&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13806167873235774101&hvpone=115.09&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_59m2uyqnzx_b

is what I was thinking, the Trendnet stuff I have here is working
flawlessly and it was very cheap.  Any others I should look at in that
range with those options?  At the moment I think the best connection I have
in the house is 802.11 N, but I figure I'd get one with 5Ghz for future
compatibility.

Thanks for any input, I hope to get something or at least order it in a few
days.
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From kc0iog at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 21:18:50 2014
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 21:18:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: wireless access point choice.
In-Reply-To: <CAM-0Q0TDWk-k7OEphB75XjTrfnvnnFti0SnZVf6KMdN_QEqhEQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM-0Q0TDWk-k7OEphB75XjTrfnvnnFti0SnZVf6KMdN_QEqhEQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3QoP=6PxMSzh9dS+OU50YPcg3+ycp5CpSDQafPhQsbp7QztQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 9:09 PM, swede <danyberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> OT:  Looking for a good wireless router (Access Point) to reside on the
> Green (local) side of my IPCOP machine.  I've been using a WRT54G2 for many
> years now and am looking for something that will work as well but newer and
> faster.  I only use it as an access point with MAC security setup and let
> IPCOP handle the rest.

The biggest challenge you'll have is finding one that can be put into
bridge mode.  I'm assuming you'll want the IPcop box to do all the
heavy lifting.  Check the DD-WRT compatibility guide:

http://dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices

Because you'll probably want to replace the factory firmware.  Also,
APs are hit and miss on their support of multicast mode.  Multicast is
used by a lot of wireless printers and other plug-n-play wifi devices.
Many of the newer APs don't play well.  You'll want to put DD-WRT on
the device to make sure your wireless needs are fully supported.

Good luck!
Brian

From o1bigtenor at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 22:14:19 2014
From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 22:14:19 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: wireless access point choice.
In-Reply-To: <CAB3QoP=6PxMSzh9dS+OU50YPcg3+ycp5CpSDQafPhQsbp7QztQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM-0Q0TDWk-k7OEphB75XjTrfnvnnFti0SnZVf6KMdN_QEqhEQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAPpdf5-yrHnaKKiFOFMFZ8wPuiXZZ1k1b9W1fJDn7BzmB1rONQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Brian Wall <kc0iog at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 9:09 PM, swede <danyberg at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > OT:  Looking for a good wireless router (Access Point) to reside on the
> > Green (local) side of my IPCOP machine.  I've been using a WRT54G2 for
> many
> > years now and am looking for something that will work as well but newer
> and
> > faster.  I only use it as an access point with MAC security setup and let
> > IPCOP handle the rest.
>
> The biggest challenge you'll have is finding one that can be put into
> bridge mode.  I'm assuming you'll want the IPcop box to do all the
> heavy lifting.  Check the DD-WRT compatibility guide:
>
> http://dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices
>
> Because you'll probably want to replace the factory firmware.  Also,
> APs are hit and miss on their support of multicast mode.  Multicast is
> used by a lot of wireless printers and other plug-n-play wifi devices.
> Many of the newer APs don't play well.  You'll want to put DD-WRT on
> the device to make sure your wireless needs are fully supported.
>

Have been running an ASUS RT-N16 on DD-WRT for about 18 months and on
ASUS's software for about 3 years before that.

No issues for me but then I'm running things quite simple!

Dee
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From jus at krytosvirus.com  Tue Sep  2 22:26:24 2014
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 22:26:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: wireless access point choice.
Message-ID: <bpmpmah7rp8x69nkjk7u772x.1409713956348@email.android.com>

I had been struggling with wifi at my house. I finally settled on the Ubiquiti UAP Pro. It supports dual band, PoE, VLANs, and has fantastic throughput performance[1], fantastic wifi connection stability and excellent wifi range. I absolutely love this thing. It also has a pleasant ring shape for easy aesthetic display on a wall or ceiling. It does not support the newer AC standard but I also have exactly zero AC capable devices. It easily met all of my needs.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0089QB1SC

The only real problem I have with it is it requires the wifi controller software to manage the Config but once I got all the ssid and vlan settings put in place I don't really need to do make changes. I've never had to reboot it either though with PoE, I can just bounce the PoE switch port to reboot it.?


[1] about 220 mbps wifi throughout on my laptop to speedtest.net and about 95 mbps on my Android phone with the speedtest.net app both using 5ghz. I got over half both respective?values on 2.4ghz. Yes, it was rather ideal test conditions but still it was impressive to me and I've tried a lot of home wifi router/ap products.





<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: swede <danyberg at gmail.com> </div><div>Date:09/02/2014  9:09 PM  (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org </div><div>Subject: [tclug-list] OT: wireless access point choice. </div><div>
</div>
OT:  Looking for a good wireless router (Access Point) to reside on the Green (local) side of my IPCOP machine.  I've been using a WRT54G2 for many years now and am looking for something that will work as well but newer and faster.  I only use it as an access point with MAC security setup and let IPCOP handle the rest.  

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B0CQCCC/?tag=googhydr-20&hvadid=31028616925&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13806167873235774101&hvpone=115.09&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_59m2uyqnzx_b

is what I was thinking, the Trendnet stuff I have here is working flawlessly and it was very cheap.  Any others I should look at in that range with those options?  At the moment I think the best connection I have in the house is 802.11 N, but I figure I'd get one with 5Ghz for future compatibility.

Thanks for any input, I hope to get something or at least order it in a few days.

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From ryanjcole at me.com  Wed Sep  3 11:12:41 2014
From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2014 16:12:41 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: wireless access point choice.
Message-ID: <db07827f-e2a1-487b-8c01-003d757f9147@me.com>

Who is your provider?

On Sep 02, 2014, at 10:28 PM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:

I had been struggling with wifi at my house. I finally settled on the Ubiquiti UAP Pro. It supports dual band, PoE, VLANs, and has fantastic throughput performance[1], fantastic wifi connection stability and excellent wifi range. I absolutely love this thing. It also has a pleasant ring shape for easy aesthetic display on a wall or ceiling. It does not support the newer AC standard but I also have exactly zero AC capable devices. It easily met all of my needs.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0089QB1SC

The only real problem I have with it is it requires the wifi controller software to manage the Config but once I got all the ssid and vlan settings put in place I don't really need to do make changes. I've never had to reboot it either though with PoE, I can just bounce the PoE switch port to reboot it.?


[1] about 220 mbps wifi throughout on my laptop to speedtest.net and about 95 mbps on my Android phone with the speedtest.net app both using 5ghz. I got over half both respective?values on 2.4ghz. Yes, it was rather ideal test conditions but still it was impressive to me and I've tried a lot of home wifi router/ap products.





-------- Original message --------
From: swede
Date:09/02/2014 9:09 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: wireless access point choice.


OT: ?Looking for a good wireless router (Access Point) to reside on the Green (local) side of my IPCOP machine. ?I've been using a WRT54G2 for many years now and am looking for something that will work as well but newer and faster. ?I only use it as an access point with MAC security setup and let IPCOP handle the rest. ?

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B0CQCCC/?tag=googhydr-20&hvadid=31028616925&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13806167873235774101&hvpone=115.09&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_59m2uyqnzx_b

is what I was thinking, the Trendnet stuff I have here is working flawlessly and it was very cheap. ?Any others I should look at in that range with those options? ?At the moment I think the best connection I have in the house is 802.11 N, but I figure I'd get one with 5Ghz for future compatibility.

Thanks for any input, I hope to get something or at least order it in a few days.

_______________________________________________
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tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From jus at krytosvirus.com  Wed Sep  3 17:20:50 2014
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2014 17:20:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: wireless access point choice.
Message-ID: <09yb7xbc1af5n30hrf7xx6pb.1409782849588@email.android.com>

For my performance testing I used US Internet ?(http://fiber.usinternet.com). Unfortunately I don't actually live in the service area myself so I use CLink at my house.

<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Ryan Coleman <ryanjcole at me.com> </div><div>Date:09/03/2014  11:12 AM  (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> </div><div>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: wireless access point choice. </div><div>
</div>Who is your provider?

On Sep 02, 2014, at 10:28 PM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:

I had been struggling with wifi at my house. I finally settled on the Ubiquiti UAP Pro. It supports dual band, PoE, VLANs, and has fantastic throughput performance[1], fantastic wifi connection stability and excellent wifi range. I absolutely love this thing. It also has a pleasant ring shape for easy aesthetic display on a wall or ceiling. It does not support the newer AC standard but I also have exactly zero AC capable devices. It easily met all of my needs.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0089QB1SC

The only real problem I have with it is it requires the wifi controller software to manage the Config but once I got all the ssid and vlan settings put in place I don't really need to do make changes. I've never had to reboot it either though with PoE, I can just bounce the PoE switch port to reboot it. 


[1] about 220 mbps wifi throughout on my laptop to speedtest.net and about 95 mbps on my Android phone with the speedtest.net app both using 5ghz. I got over half both respective values on 2.4ghz. Yes, it was rather ideal test conditions but still it was impressive to me and I've tried a lot of home wifi router/ap products.





-------- Original message --------
From: swede
Date:09/02/2014 9:09 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: wireless access point choice.


OT:  Looking for a good wireless router (Access Point) to reside on the Green (local) side of my IPCOP machine.  I've been using a WRT54G2 for many years now and am looking for something that will work as well but newer and faster.  I only use it as an access point with MAC security setup and let IPCOP handle the rest.  

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B0CQCCC/?tag=googhydr-20&hvadid=31028616925&hvpos=1t1&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13806167873235774101&hvpone=115.09&hvptwo=&hvqmt=b&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_59m2uyqnzx_b

is what I was thinking, the Trendnet stuff I have here is working flawlessly and it was very cheap.  Any others I should look at in that range with those options?  At the moment I think the best connection I have in the house is 802.11 N, but I figure I'd get one with 5Ghz for future compatibility.

Thanks for any input, I hope to get something or at least order it in a few days.

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From danyberg at gmail.com  Thu Sep  4 08:59:51 2014
From: danyberg at gmail.com (swede)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 08:59:51 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: wireless access point choice.
Message-ID: <CAM-0Q0SSG9E8gMge3rHyB9bux38EXGCd=9JJ4xD3wSPJf_Vz9g@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the info


>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2014 16:12:41 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Ryan Coleman <ryanjcole at me.com>
> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: wireless access point choice.
> Message-ID: <db07827f-e2a1-487b-8c01-003d757f9147 at me.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
>
> Who is your provider?
>
>
>
TDS with 50 Mb fiber.   Or were you asking Justin?



I ended up ordering this one
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0AJ1DH9886

But I got it from microcenter as it was less than half the cost.
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From j at packetgod.com  Thu Sep  4 11:26:42 2014
From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 11:26:42 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Telco Rack with rack mount power for free
Message-ID: <CADr-7349UAg8EhoQxcyTGbjTfZzGMHG6KDEqPTe54MvHeV6ceg@mail.gmail.com>

I've got a decent quality full height 19" telco rack with one rack mount
power strip I'm trying to give away.  Will drop it off anywhere in the
greater twin cities area.
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From jglouisjr at gmail.com  Thu Sep  4 11:39:40 2014
From: jglouisjr at gmail.com (James Louis)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 11:39:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Telco Rack with rack mount power for free
In-Reply-To: <CADr-7349UAg8EhoQxcyTGbjTfZzGMHG6KDEqPTe54MvHeV6ceg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADr-7349UAg8EhoQxcyTGbjTfZzGMHG6KDEqPTe54MvHeV6ceg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANsMYOXnvCNfrNdwdphcUaG9Vd0kHiRWtb+1EU0Qy3g7NrPskw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 11:26 AM, J Cruit <j at packetgod.com> wrote:

> 19" telco rack


If still available I would like it.
Thanks,
Jim


-- 






*     Jim Louis       \\\\||////       \ ~ ~  /       | @ @ |*


*--oOo---(_)---oOo--*

"If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the
few who are rich." ~ John Kennedy
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From j at packetgod.com  Thu Sep  4 20:38:28 2014
From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 20:38:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Telco Rack with rack mount power for free
In-Reply-To: <CANsMYOXnvCNfrNdwdphcUaG9Vd0kHiRWtb+1EU0Qy3g7NrPskw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADr-7349UAg8EhoQxcyTGbjTfZzGMHG6KDEqPTe54MvHeV6ceg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANsMYOXnvCNfrNdwdphcUaG9Vd0kHiRWtb+1EU0Qy3g7NrPskw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADr-734Qn22rHdsgzc59EAfwN3osfwPZgnR9wBtOFKY0oCXfPA@mail.gmail.com>

It's yours if you want it, where you want me to drop it off?

On Thursday, September 4, 2014, James Louis <jglouisjr at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 11:26 AM, J Cruit <j at packetgod.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j at packetgod.com');>> wrote:
>
>> 19" telco rack
>
>
> If still available I would like it.
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
>
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *     Jim Louis       \\\\||////       \ ~ ~  /       | @ @ |*
>
>
> *--oOo---(_)---oOo-- *
>
> "If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the
> few who are rich." ~ John Kennedy
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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Mon Sep  8 10:17:08 2014
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 10:17:08 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] know a more clever calendar?
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9BwJUya2M_xQ0JbhLKKWS4NzWyNZcgczFrDe3gWhU_9Mg@mail.gmail.com>

google calendar is fairly clever, it can understand for example "lunch
meeting 11:30am 2nd and last saturdays monthly".  but "my event 10am second
sunday after the first monday in september" is beyond it.  anyone know a
calendar that *is* that clever?  (ie able to properly specify formulas like
for easter or the harvest moon..)
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From eminmn at sysmatrix.net  Mon Sep  8 10:35:58 2014
From: eminmn at sysmatrix.net (e.c.)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 10:35:58 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] know a more clever calendar?
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9BwJUya2M_xQ0JbhLKKWS4NzWyNZcgczFrDe3gWhU_9Mg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9BwJUya2M_xQ0JbhLKKWS4NzWyNZcgczFrDe3gWhU_9Mg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM4eEPKzCF0_766ybo1=443vcqh-Jbm6txoNEMK0yqNgP==49w@mail.gmail.com>

Probably the Emacs calendar could be made that savvy with a little
elisp programming. There is even some talk of rewriting Emacs in
scheme, which should provide for parsing of arbitrarily complex
expressions.

Ed

On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 10:17 AM, gregrwm <tclug1 at whitleymott.net> wrote:
> google calendar is fairly clever, it can understand for example "lunch
> meeting 11:30am 2nd and last saturdays monthly".  but "my event 10am second
> sunday after the first monday in september" is beyond it.  anyone know a
> calendar that *is* that clever?  (ie able to properly specify formulas like
> for easter or the harvest moon..)
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com  Mon Sep  8 11:33:07 2014
From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (kelly)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 11:33:07 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] know a more clever calendar?
References: <CAD+dB9BwJUya2M_xQ0JbhLKKWS4NzWyNZcgczFrDe3gWhU_9Mg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <540DDA43-0007BCAE@penguinpackets.com>

Remind?  

http://www.roaringpenguin.com/products/remind  

You should be able to do clever things with that.  
>  Mon Sep 08 2014 10:17:08 AM CDT from "gregrwm" <tclug1 at whitleymott.net> 
>Subject: [tclug-list] know a more clever calendar?
>
>    google calendar is fairly clever, it can understand for example "lunch
>meeting 11:30am 2nd and last saturdays monthly".? but "my event 10am second
>sunday after the first monday in september" is beyond it.? anyone know a
>calendar that *is* that clever?? (ie able to properly specify formulas like
>for easter or the harvest moon..)
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From samael.anon at gmail.com  Tue Sep  9 05:07:07 2014
From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael Anon)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 05:07:07 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] shopping cart
Message-ID: <CA+V7kPr6s3mFgwzeYGVNnCs4LE91mutAktzhTFNxv2FJP7+aKg@mail.gmail.com>

i am looking for an easy solution for a 1 item store hosted on godaddy
linux server.  I want it to be simpler than zen cart and preferably be open
source.
any ideas anyone?
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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Tue Sep  9 09:36:53 2014
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 09:36:53 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] SMS from 224444
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9CA6zUrJ3y0P7YOhJe+kypy_fPTc0O0bu_OR1Xtd-Rm2g@mail.gmail.com>

On 9 September 2014 04:25, 224444 <... at txt.voice.google.com
<16516462007.224444.T-HZDVb7TV at txt.voice.google.com>> wrote:

> Your Google verification code is 829359
>

i received an unsolicited google (two factor) verification code, from the
usual google (txt) sender.  so, changed my password.  does that mean
someone actually had my password?  is there any other way to trigger
sending the code?

first thing that comes to mind is several months ago i logged in (two
factor) at the library (sppl)..
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From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com  Tue Sep  9 09:42:03 2014
From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 09:42:03 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] SMS from 224444
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9CA6zUrJ3y0P7YOhJe+kypy_fPTc0O0bu_OR1Xtd-Rm2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9CA6zUrJ3y0P7YOhJe+kypy_fPTc0O0bu_OR1Xtd-Rm2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACEdYO2avN+WGgoa0H6pN5bzUQc+US_2r+c6ULnLzqU0at3g6Q@mail.gmail.com>

More than likely it it is someone trying to reset the password.

Google will show you account history (a list of activity and IP
address), it is in the the lower right corner of the page under
activity.
--
Jeremy MountainJohnson
Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com


On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 9:36 AM, gregrwm <tclug1 at whitleymott.net> wrote:
> On 9 September 2014 04:25, 224444 <... at txt.voice.google.com> wrote:
>>
>> Your Google verification code is 829359
>
>
> i received an unsolicited google (two factor) verification code, from the
> usual google (txt) sender.  so, changed my password.  does that mean someone
> actually had my password?  is there any other way to trigger sending the
> code?
>
> first thing that comes to mind is several months ago i logged in (two
> factor) at the library (sppl)..
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Tue Sep  9 09:57:27 2014
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 09:57:27 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] SMS from 224444
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9BN-eTexvJTNhaGjTyMvwD1=_nkR0LToLbx_ftN-dMSPA@mail.gmail.com>

>
> More than likely it it is someone trying to reset the password.
>

but a password reset is different from requesting a two-factor code.  i
think you have to give the correct password to request sending a two-factor
code.  anyone actually think/know/can show me that's not true?

Google will show you account history (a list of activity and IP
> address), it is in the the lower right corner of the page under
> activity.
>

no actual successful logins other than mine so far..
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From admin at lctn.org  Tue Sep  9 12:13:03 2014
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2014 12:13:03 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] disable spf on exim4
Message-ID: <540F351F.80909@lctn.org>

I'm testing a new relay server( exim4, Ubuntu), trying to send a message 
through it via telnet, but SPF checks are stopping the mail. Is there a 
simple way to temporarily disable spf checks on exim4?


-- 
Raymond Norton
LCTN
952.955.7766


From sjruprecht at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 17:30:46 2014
From: sjruprecht at gmail.com (Steve Ruprecht)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 18:30:46 -0400
Subject: [tclug-list] shopping cart
In-Reply-To: <CA+V7kPr6s3mFgwzeYGVNnCs4LE91mutAktzhTFNxv2FJP7+aKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+V7kPr6s3mFgwzeYGVNnCs4LE91mutAktzhTFNxv2FJP7+aKg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALb_yGNbvkkWGz8WiJPrN+wbq4BACPNPZnv7YbgXfj7ZEiYc4A@mail.gmail.com>

If it's only one item I wouldn't even bother building a whole e commerce
site. Make a drupal or wordpress site and use paypal's paste-in shopping
cart widget. An example here: http://ikillplants.com/killer-gear/ Here is
pp's page: http://bit.ly/1pQzN04
<https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/accept-payments-online?PID1=sqGFNNZU;2315895454;PayPal%20shopping%20cart;e;;eu84e2fpi0&kw=PayPal%20shopping%20cart&adgroup=US_MSR1_TM_PPSBPrd_EX_ShoppingCart&creative=2315895454&matchtype=e&PID2=sqGFNNZU&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=US_MSR1_TM_PPSBPrd&utm_term=PayPal%20shopping%20cart&geo_region=NA&geo_country=US&ct=SMB&act=%5BAccount%5D&obj=Acquisition&ch=SEM&tt=TM&mv=bing&mpch=ads&mplx=27722-205546-27959-1&spid=671902466848214928>

On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Samael Anon <samael.anon at gmail.com> wrote:

> i am looking for an easy solution for a 1 item store hosted on godaddy
> linux server.  I want it to be simpler than zen cart and preferably be open
> source.
> any ideas anyone?
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From o1bigtenor at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 08:42:03 2014
From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:42:03 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] shopping cart
In-Reply-To: <CALb_yGNbvkkWGz8WiJPrN+wbq4BACPNPZnv7YbgXfj7ZEiYc4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+V7kPr6s3mFgwzeYGVNnCs4LE91mutAktzhTFNxv2FJP7+aKg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALb_yGNbvkkWGz8WiJPrN+wbq4BACPNPZnv7YbgXfj7ZEiYc4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPpdf58aBMPHdh9t-zWL0U8PqR+dEhspmLHwPStovwSWmf7U0A@mail.gmail.com>

Also possibly interested in such.

One problem - - - not sure I trust Paypal - - - are there any other options?

Dee

On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Steve Ruprecht <sjruprecht at gmail.com>
wrote:

> If it's only one item I wouldn't even bother building a whole e commerce
> site. Make a drupal or wordpress site and use paypal's paste-in shopping
> cart widget. An example here: http://ikillplants.com/killer-gear/ Here is
> pp's page: http://bit.ly/1pQzN04
> <https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/accept-payments-online?PID1=sqGFNNZU;2315895454;PayPal%20shopping%20cart;e;;eu84e2fpi0&kw=PayPal%20shopping%20cart&adgroup=US_MSR1_TM_PPSBPrd_EX_ShoppingCart&creative=2315895454&matchtype=e&PID2=sqGFNNZU&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=US_MSR1_TM_PPSBPrd&utm_term=PayPal%20shopping%20cart&geo_region=NA&geo_country=US&ct=SMB&act=%5BAccount%5D&obj=Acquisition&ch=SEM&tt=TM&mv=bing&mpch=ads&mplx=27722-205546-27959-1&spid=671902466848214928>
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Samael Anon <samael.anon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> i am looking for an easy solution for a 1 item store hosted on godaddy
>> linux server.  I want it to be simpler than zen cart and preferably be open
>> source.
>> any ideas anyone?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From sjruprecht at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 11:31:00 2014
From: sjruprecht at gmail.com (Steve Ruprecht)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 12:31:00 -0400
Subject: [tclug-list] shopping cart
In-Reply-To: <CAPpdf58aBMPHdh9t-zWL0U8PqR+dEhspmLHwPStovwSWmf7U0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+V7kPr6s3mFgwzeYGVNnCs4LE91mutAktzhTFNxv2FJP7+aKg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CALb_yGP7LpChMmY=KBRnF9PO7XxwvKvw+jsL0ZsO85c=AQDqzw@mail.gmail.com>

Google checkout is similar to paypal. As far as merchant accounts go - no
matter which route you go, whether it's building your own or a pasted cart
script, you'll have trust issues because eventually you will have to settle
on a merchant and from personal experience I haven't found a merchant I'm
completely happy with. Even if you use bit pay or coinbase but even with
them transaction history isn't completely secret just due to the nature of
bitcoin itself.

On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 9:42 AM, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor at gmail.com> wrote:

> Also possibly interested in such.
>
> One problem - - - not sure I trust Paypal - - - are there any other
> options?
>
> Dee
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Steve Ruprecht <sjruprecht at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> If it's only one item I wouldn't even bother building a whole e commerce
>> site. Make a drupal or wordpress site and use paypal's paste-in shopping
>> cart widget. An example here: http://ikillplants.com/killer-gear/ Here
>> is pp's page: http://bit.ly/1pQzN04
>> <https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/accept-payments-online?PID1=sqGFNNZU;2315895454;PayPal%20shopping%20cart;e;;eu84e2fpi0&kw=PayPal%20shopping%20cart&adgroup=US_MSR1_TM_PPSBPrd_EX_ShoppingCart&creative=2315895454&matchtype=e&PID2=sqGFNNZU&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=US_MSR1_TM_PPSBPrd&utm_term=PayPal%20shopping%20cart&geo_region=NA&geo_country=US&ct=SMB&act=%5BAccount%5D&obj=Acquisition&ch=SEM&tt=TM&mv=bing&mpch=ads&mplx=27722-205546-27959-1&spid=671902466848214928>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:07 AM, Samael Anon <samael.anon at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> i am looking for an easy solution for a 1 item store hosted on godaddy
>>> linux server.  I want it to be simpler than zen cart and preferably be open
>>> source.
>>> any ideas anyone?
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 22:23:18 2014
From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 22:23:18 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] shopping cart
In-Reply-To: <CAPpdf58aBMPHdh9t-zWL0U8PqR+dEhspmLHwPStovwSWmf7U0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+V7kPr6s3mFgwzeYGVNnCs4LE91mutAktzhTFNxv2FJP7+aKg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALb_yGNbvkkWGz8WiJPrN+wbq4BACPNPZnv7YbgXfj7ZEiYc4A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPpdf58aBMPHdh9t-zWL0U8PqR+dEhspmLHwPStovwSWmf7U0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54126726.60902@gmail.com>

On 9/11/2014 8:42 AM, o1bigtenor wrote:
> Also possibly interested in such.
>
> One problem - - - not sure I trust Paypal - - - are there any other options?

Paypal.  If you want others to buy your stuff, they will want to trust 
it too.  Paypal is legit in most people eyes.


From cncole at earthlink.net  Thu Sep 11 23:06:25 2014
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 23:06:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] shopping cart
In-Reply-To: <54126726.60902@gmail.com>
References: <CA+V7kPr6s3mFgwzeYGVNnCs4LE91mutAktzhTFNxv2FJP7+aKg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALb_yGNbvkkWGz8WiJPrN+wbq4BACPNPZnv7YbgXfj7ZEiYc4A@mail.gmail.com>
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 <54126726.60902@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E34508F9BCD7433D8D2759829EED8746@d830a>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of B-o-B De Mars
> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 10:23 PM
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] shopping cart
>
> On 9/11/2014 8:42 AM, o1bigtenor wrote:
> > Also possibly interested in such.
> >
> > One problem - - - not sure I trust Paypal - - - are there
> any other options?
>
> Paypal.  If you want others to buy your stuff, they will want
> to trust
> it too.  Paypal is legit in most people eyes.

I think it's safe to say that PayPal is clearly the "least atrocious"
option, and by a wide margin.

They have learned and applied much to being trustworthy.
They go after deadbeats, they guarantee "as advertised", and they are
trusted by the most folks.


Chuck




From david.wagle at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 07:39:35 2014
From: david.wagle at gmail.com (David Wagle)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 07:39:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] shopping cart
In-Reply-To: <E34508F9BCD7433D8D2759829EED8746@d830a>
References: <CA+V7kPr6s3mFgwzeYGVNnCs4LE91mutAktzhTFNxv2FJP7+aKg@mail.gmail.com>
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I use paypal all the time. I have had situations where I had to cancel
an order and the vendor wasn't responsive. In every case I was able to
get my money back using paypal's arbitration features == and in a
fairly painless way.



On 09/11/2014 11:06 PM, Chuck Cole wrote:
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org 
>> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of B-o-B De
>> Mars Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 10:23 PM To:
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] shopping cart
>> 
>> On 9/11/2014 8:42 AM, o1bigtenor wrote:
>>> Also possibly interested in such.
>>> 
>>> One problem - - - not sure I trust Paypal - - - are there
>> any other options?
>> 
>> Paypal.  If you want others to buy your stuff, they will want to
>> trust it too.  Paypal is legit in most people eyes.
> 
> I think it's safe to say that PayPal is clearly the "least
> atrocious" option, and by a wide margin.
> 
> They have learned and applied much to being trustworthy. They go
> after deadbeats, they guarantee "as advertised", and they are 
> trusted by the most folks.
> 
> 
> Chuck
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List
> - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org 
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From samael.anon at gmail.com  Sat Sep 13 20:00:41 2014
From: samael.anon at gmail.com (Samael Anon)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 20:00:41 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] shopping cart
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multiple trusted peers say paypal then paypal it is.  thank you.  after all
the zen cart research, i think i may have to start sellin stuff online to
pay for all the time it took; at least until i got smart and asked the crew
at TCLUG.

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 7:39 AM, David Wagle <david.wagle at gmail.com> wrote:

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> I use paypal all the time. I have had situations where I had to cancel
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> get my money back using paypal's arbitration features == and in a
> fairly painless way.
>
>
>
> On 09/11/2014 11:06 PM, Chuck Cole wrote:
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message----- From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of B-o-B De
> >> Mars Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 10:23 PM To:
> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] shopping cart
> >>
> >> On 9/11/2014 8:42 AM, o1bigtenor wrote:
> >>> Also possibly interested in such.
> >>>
> >>> One problem - - - not sure I trust Paypal - - - are there
> >> any other options?
> >>
> >> Paypal.  If you want others to buy your stuff, they will want to
> >> trust it too.  Paypal is legit in most people eyes.
> >
> > I think it's safe to say that PayPal is clearly the "least
> > atrocious" option, and by a wide margin.
> >
> > They have learned and applied much to being trustworthy. They go
> > after deadbeats, they guarantee "as advertised", and they are
> > trusted by the most folks.
> >
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List
> > - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 13:59:24 2014
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 13:59:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Checking out FreeBSD
Message-ID: <CABWFOjv1WL8Q0c-4z7ovMjuzOVFfvAZjmgzzSPe_t8dDDJix_g@mail.gmail.com>

Andrew Berg writes:

>
> BTW, since I'm doing a talk on FreeBSD at the November meeting,

On Linux there wasn't much under /usr/local.   The stuff I put in there was
about it.  On BSD those directories have tons of files in them.  What's up
with that?

I think this talk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL5U4wr86L4&index=3&list=PLHY3ivrthuoegMQkHs9cuOEOQGKW-RBJK

by Scott Long at a BSD conference is interesting.  He doesn't
mince words about why his company isn't using ZFS.

Also, I've learned some things from these guys:

http://bsdnow.tv


-- 
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - So far G-d has helped us.
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From ryanjcole at me.com  Sat Sep 20 14:29:05 2014
From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 14:29:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Checking out FreeBSD
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjv1WL8Q0c-4z7ovMjuzOVFfvAZjmgzzSPe_t8dDDJix_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjv1WL8Q0c-4z7ovMjuzOVFfvAZjmgzzSPe_t8dDDJix_g@mail.gmail.com>
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Don?t trust everything you read on the internet.

All OSes store their files in their own places, that?s what?s up with that. But for BSD specific questions I suggest you join the FreeBSD Questions list at questions at lists.freebsd.org here: https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions

?
Ryan

On Sep 20, 2014, at 13:59, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Andrew Berg writes:
> 
> >
> > BTW, since I'm doing a talk on FreeBSD at the November meeting,
> 
> On Linux there wasn't much under /usr/local.   The stuff I put in there was 
> about it.  On BSD those directories have tons of files in them.  What's up 
> with that?
> 
> I think this talk 
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL5U4wr86L4&index=3&list=PLHY3ivrthuoegMQkHs9cuOEOQGKW-RBJK
> 
> by Scott Long at a BSD conference is interesting.  He doesn't
> mince words about why his company isn't using ZFS.
> 
> Also, I've learned some things from these guys:
> 
> http://bsdnow.tv
> 
> 
> -- 
> Brian
> Ebenezer Enterprises - So far G-d has helped us.
> http://webEbenezer.net
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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From ryanjcole at me.com  Sat Sep 20 15:09:25 2014
From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 15:09:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Checking out FreeBSD
In-Reply-To: <151A7B26-4FE3-4D92-BCA1-8B251D652E3E@me.com>
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So I listened to the video? here?s my two bits:

You?re not Netflix. You don?t have millions invested in hardware and storage and you can?t possibly have the configurations they do. You won?t need their performance and you won?t have the time to configure the necessary redundancies.

That said - I am apply for the next engineer position open at Netflix.

?
Ryan


On Sep 20, 2014, at 14:29, Ryan Coleman <ryanjcole at me.com> wrote:

> Don?t trust everything you read on the internet.
> 
> All OSes store their files in their own places, that?s what?s up with that. But for BSD specific questions I suggest you join the FreeBSD Questions list at questions at lists.freebsd.org here: https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
> 
> ?
> Ryan
> 
> On Sep 20, 2014, at 13:59, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Andrew Berg writes:
>> 
>> >
>> > BTW, since I'm doing a talk on FreeBSD at the November meeting,
>> 
>> On Linux there wasn't much under /usr/local.   The stuff I put in there was 
>> about it.  On BSD those directories have tons of files in them.  What's up 
>> with that?
>> 
>> I think this talk 
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL5U4wr86L4&index=3&list=PLHY3ivrthuoegMQkHs9cuOEOQGKW-RBJK
>> 
>> by Scott Long at a BSD conference is interesting.  He doesn't
>> mince words about why his company isn't using ZFS.
>> 
>> Also, I've learned some things from these guys:
>> 
>> http://bsdnow.tv
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Brian
>> Ebenezer Enterprises - So far G-d has helped us.
>> http://webEbenezer.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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From aberg010 at my.hennepintech.edu  Sat Sep 20 15:52:51 2014
From: aberg010 at my.hennepintech.edu (Andrew Berg)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 15:52:51 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Checking out FreeBSD
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjv1WL8Q0c-4z7ovMjuzOVFfvAZjmgzzSPe_t8dDDJix_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjv1WL8Q0c-4z7ovMjuzOVFfvAZjmgzzSPe_t8dDDJix_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <541DE923.3040607@my.hennepintech.edu>

On 2014.09.20 13:59, Brian Wood wrote:
> Andrew Berg writes:
> 
>>
>> BTW, since I'm doing a talk on FreeBSD at the November meeting,
> 
> On Linux there wasn't much under /usr/local.   The stuff I put in there was
> about it.  On BSD those directories have tons of files in them.  What's up
> with that?
https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=hier&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD%2010.0-RELEASE&arch=default&format=html
All third-party software goes in /usr/local. It's the separation between the
base system and third-party software. Linux distros have no such distinction
(everything aside from perhaps a couple utilities made by the distro project is
third-party) and so everything is lumped together. This is one of the things
I'll be going over in detail in the talk since it seems to confuse people
coming from Linux.

From canito at dalan.us  Sat Sep 20 18:56:01 2014
From: canito at dalan.us (canito at dalan.us)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 18:56:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Checking out FreeBSD
In-Reply-To: <FB521BF4-A325-40F6-8C44-05970A47DCC9@me.com>
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Message-ID: <20140920185601.Horde.eSEFR9bUcgk0WzinkJrAyQ1@mail.dalan.us>


Quoting Ryan Coleman <ryanjcole at me.com>:

> So I listened to the video? here?s my two bits:
>
> You?re not Netflix. You don?t have millions invested in hardware and  
> storage and you can?t possibly have the configurations they do. You  
> won?t need their performance and you won?t have the time to  
> configure the necessary redundancies.
>
> That said - I am apply for the next engineer position open at Netflix.
>
> ?
> Ryan
>
>

There's actually FreeBSD engineer positions available locally.

Can't be too long ago that the St Paul McAfee office was hiring for  
their development team.

They work on the SideWinder firewall appliance. Or at least that is  
what I assume from reading the job description.

http://jobs.mcafee.com/minnesota/engineering/jobid5656314-software-development-engineer-jobs

SDA

> On Sep 20, 2014, at 14:29, Ryan Coleman <ryanjcole at me.com> wrote:
>
>> Don?t trust everything you read on the internet.
>>
>> All OSes store their files in their own places, that?s what?s up  
>> with that. But for BSD specific questions I suggest you join the  
>> FreeBSD Questions list at questions at lists.freebsd.org here:  
>> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions
>>
>> ?
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Sep 20, 2014, at 13:59, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew Berg writes:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > BTW, since I'm doing a talk on FreeBSD at the November meeting,
>>>
>>> On Linux there wasn't much under /usr/local.   The stuff I put in there was
>>> about it.  On BSD those directories have tons of files in them.  What's up
>>> with that?
>>>
>>> I think this talk
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL5U4wr86L4&index=3&list=PLHY3ivrthuoegMQkHs9cuOEOQGKW-RBJK
>>>
>>> by Scott Long at a BSD conference is interesting.  He doesn't
>>> mince words about why his company isn't using ZFS.
>>>
>>> Also, I've learned some things from these guys:
>>>
>>> http://bsdnow.tv
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Brian
>>> Ebenezer Enterprises - So far G-d has helped us.
>>> http://webEbenezer.net
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




From tclug at freakzilla.com  Mon Sep 22 20:01:46 2014
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 20:01:46 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Simple Website Monitoring Tool
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1409222001220.23076@cockerel.yaron.org>

(Resending form correct account, sorry admins)

Ok, before I go write one myself, does anyone know of a simple website uptime 
monitoring tool? Yeah, I can use Nagios but that's waaayyy overdone and 
waaaaayyy overcomplicated.

All I need is something I can give a list of websites (or URLs), have it do an 
HTTP connection to, possibly look for a string in the resulting webpage and let 
me know "Hey that worked" or "Hey I got a HTTP/200 but that string wasn't 
there" or "Hey it won't even talk on port 80". Be nice if it can represent the 
output as HTML and allow to setup some email alerts, but producing a nice 
processable text result would be enough.

Anyone?

--

From ryanjcole at me.com  Mon Sep 22 20:02:57 2014
From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 20:02:57 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Simple Website Monitoring Tool
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1409222001220.23076@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1409222001220.23076@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <769DFC52-FEDC-4F61-833A-D915A7D8BC1E@me.com>

I?m using Zenoss but I just started and haven?t really done much to set it up.


On Sep 22, 2014, at 20:01, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:

> (Resending form correct account, sorry admins)
> 
> Ok, before I go write one myself, does anyone know of a simple website uptime monitoring tool? Yeah, I can use Nagios but that's waaayyy overdone and waaaaayyy overcomplicated.
> 
> All I need is something I can give a list of websites (or URLs), have it do an HTTP connection to, possibly look for a string in the resulting webpage and let me know "Hey that worked" or "Hey I got a HTTP/200 but that string wasn't there" or "Hey it won't even talk on port 80". Be nice if it can represent the output as HTML and allow to setup some email alerts, but producing a nice processable text result would be enough.
> 
> Anyone?
> 
> --
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From tclug at freakzilla.com  Mon Sep 22 20:11:32 2014
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 20:11:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Simple Website Monitoring Tool
In-Reply-To: <769DFC52-FEDC-4F61-833A-D915A7D8BC1E@me.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1409222001220.23076@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <769DFC52-FEDC-4F61-833A-D915A7D8BC1E@me.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1409222008260.23076@cockerel.yaron.org>

That looks pretty cool, but again, wayyyy over complicated. All I need to 
monitor is whether a bunch of webservers are up, not really my internal 
network.

I really ind of wish Nagios had a decent configuration system. I love text 
files but seriously guys...

I'm really looking for a solution I can apt-get install... this is the 
point where I want something that Just Works. If it'll take longer to 
download/set up/learn to configure/mess with configuration than it will 
for me to write something simple, I'll just go write it! But I'd love 
something that's aleady tried and tested.

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014, Ryan Coleman wrote:

> I?m using Zenoss but I just started and haven?t really done much to set it up.
>
>
> On Sep 22, 2014, at 20:01, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:
>
>> (Resending form correct account, sorry admins)
>>
>> Ok, before I go write one myself, does anyone know of a simple website uptime monitoring tool? Yeah, I can use Nagios but that's waaayyy overdone and waaaaayyy overcomplicated.
>>
>> All I need is something I can give a list of websites (or URLs), have it do an HTTP connection to, possibly look for a string in the resulting webpage and let me know "Hey that worked" or "Hey I got a HTTP/200 but that string wasn't there" or "Hey it won't even talk on port 80". Be nice if it can represent the output as HTML and allow to setup some email alerts, but producing a nice processable text result would be enough.
>>
>> Anyone?
>>
>> --
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From ryanjcole at me.com  Mon Sep 22 20:13:03 2014
From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 20:13:03 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Simple Website Monitoring Tool
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1409222008260.23076@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1409222001220.23076@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <769DFC52-FEDC-4F61-833A-D915A7D8BC1E@me.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1409222008260.23076@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <502117B4-EDE0-4862-862B-719F2D01E02D@me.com>

This is a replacement to Nagios and seemingly easier to configure.

I suggest since a web interface won?t work you start using bash, perl and cron.

Or prepare to fork over hundreds of dollars.

?
Ryan


On Sep 22, 2014, at 20:11, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:

> That looks pretty cool, but again, wayyyy over complicated. All I need to monitor is whether a bunch of webservers are up, not really my internal network.
> 
> I really ind of wish Nagios had a decent configuration system. I love text files but seriously guys...
> 
> I'm really looking for a solution I can apt-get install... this is the point where I want something that Just Works. If it'll take longer to download/set up/learn to configure/mess with configuration than it will for me to write something simple, I'll just go write it! But I'd love something that's aleady tried and tested.
> 
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> 
>> I?m using Zenoss but I just started and haven?t really done much to set it up.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 22, 2014, at 20:01, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:
>> 
>>> (Resending form correct account, sorry admins)
>>> 
>>> Ok, before I go write one myself, does anyone know of a simple website uptime monitoring tool? Yeah, I can use Nagios but that's waaayyy overdone and waaaaayyy overcomplicated.
>>> 
>>> All I need is something I can give a list of websites (or URLs), have it do an HTTP connection to, possibly look for a string in the resulting webpage and let me know "Hey that worked" or "Hey I got a HTTP/200 but that string wasn't there" or "Hey it won't even talk on port 80". Be nice if it can represent the output as HTML and allow to setup some email alerts, but producing a nice processable text result would be enough.
>>> 
>>> Anyone?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From tclug at freakzilla.com  Mon Sep 22 20:20:21 2014
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 20:20:21 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Simple Website Monitoring Tool
In-Reply-To: <502117B4-EDE0-4862-862B-719F2D01E02D@me.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1409222001220.23076@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <769DFC52-FEDC-4F61-833A-D915A7D8BC1E@me.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1409222008260.23076@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <502117B4-EDE0-4862-862B-719F2D01E02D@me.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1409222015410.23076@cockerel.yaron.org>

A web interface would be great. I just don't need all this other stuff in 
there.

I've actually half-started writing one in perl, but again, I'd love 
something that's already established and I hate reinventing wheels. My 
program would use (for now) a super easy flatfile for configuration 
(url:string to search for/null for a straight test) and would output an 
HTML file and send emails for alerts. But I'm not 100% sure I can make it 
100% (or 99%, or 95%...) reliable.

We used to use SiteScope at a previous job, which /does/ have other info 
through plugins/agents but works really well as a web services monitor. 
Sadly it seems to no longer exist (or HP bought it and turned it into some 
monstrosity).

I might end up recommending Zenoss after all, though, if it ends up being 
simpler than me writing my own tool.


On Mon, 22 Sep 2014, Ryan Coleman wrote:

> This is a replacement to Nagios and seemingly easier to configure.
>
> I suggest since a web interface won?t work you start using bash, perl and cron.
>
> Or prepare to fork over hundreds of dollars.
>
> ?
> Ryan
>
>
> On Sep 22, 2014, at 20:11, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:
>
>> That looks pretty cool, but again, wayyyy over complicated. All I need to monitor is whether a bunch of webservers are up, not really my internal network.
>>
>> I really ind of wish Nagios had a decent configuration system. I love text files but seriously guys...
>>
>> I'm really looking for a solution I can apt-get install... this is the point where I want something that Just Works. If it'll take longer to download/set up/learn to configure/mess with configuration than it will for me to write something simple, I'll just go write it! But I'd love something that's aleady tried and tested.
>>
>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>>
>>> I?m using Zenoss but I just started and haven?t really done much to set it up.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 22, 2014, at 20:01, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> (Resending form correct account, sorry admins)
>>>>
>>>> Ok, before I go write one myself, does anyone know of a simple website uptime monitoring tool? Yeah, I can use Nagios but that's waaayyy overdone and waaaaayyy overcomplicated.
>>>>
>>>> All I need is something I can give a list of websites (or URLs), have it do an HTTP connection to, possibly look for a string in the resulting webpage and let me know "Hey that worked" or "Hey I got a HTTP/200 but that string wasn't there" or "Hey it won't even talk on port 80". Be nice if it can represent the output as HTML and allow to setup some email alerts, but producing a nice processable text result would be enough.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From random at argle.org  Mon Sep 22 21:21:39 2014
From: random at argle.org (Daniel Taylor)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 21:21:39 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Simple Website Monitoring Tool
In-Reply-To: <502117B4-EDE0-4862-862B-719F2D01E02D@me.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1409222001220.23076@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <769DFC52-FEDC-4F61-833A-D915A7D8BC1E@me.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1409222008260.23076@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <502117B4-EDE0-4862-862B-719F2D01E02D@me.com>
Message-ID: <5420D933.4070906@argle.org>

It sounds like a monitoring service might be in order. There are a few 
that will monitor a single page for free and only charge for extensive 
monitoring.

On 09/22/2014 08:13 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> This is a replacement to Nagios and seemingly easier to configure.
>
> I suggest since a web interface won?t work you start using bash, perl and cron.
>
> Or prepare to fork over hundreds of dollars.
>
> ?
> Ryan
>
>
> On Sep 22, 2014, at 20:11, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:
>
>> That looks pretty cool, but again, wayyyy over complicated. All I need to monitor is whether a bunch of webservers are up, not really my internal network.
>>
>> I really ind of wish Nagios had a decent configuration system. I love text files but seriously guys...
>>
>> I'm really looking for a solution I can apt-get install... this is the point where I want something that Just Works. If it'll take longer to download/set up/learn to configure/mess with configuration than it will for me to write something simple, I'll just go write it! But I'd love something that's aleady tried and tested.
>>
>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>>
>>> I?m using Zenoss but I just started and haven?t really done much to set it up.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 22, 2014, at 20:01, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> (Resending form correct account, sorry admins)
>>>>
>>>> Ok, before I go write one myself, does anyone know of a simple website uptime monitoring tool? Yeah, I can use Nagios but that's waaayyy overdone and waaaaayyy overcomplicated.
>>>>
>>>> All I need is something I can give a list of websites (or URLs), have it do an HTTP connection to, possibly look for a string in the resulting webpage and let me know "Hey that worked" or "Hey I got a HTTP/200 but that string wasn't there" or "Hey it won't even talk on port 80". Be nice if it can represent the output as HTML and allow to setup some email alerts, but producing a nice processable text result would be enough.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From tclug at freakzilla.com  Mon Sep 22 21:29:27 2014
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 21:29:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Simple Website Monitoring Tool
In-Reply-To: <5420D933.4070906@argle.org>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1409222001220.23076@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <769DFC52-FEDC-4F61-833A-D915A7D8BC1E@me.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1409222008260.23076@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <502117B4-EDE0-4862-862B-719F2D01E02D@me.com> <5420D933.4070906@argle.org>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1409222129060.23076@cockerel.yaron.org>

We're going for "extensive" and possibly having that as one of our 
services (;

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014, Daniel Taylor wrote:

> It sounds like a monitoring service might be in order. There are a few that 
> will monitor a single page for free and only charge for extensive monitoring.
>
> On 09/22/2014 08:13 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>> This is a replacement to Nagios and seemingly easier to configure.
>> 
>> I suggest since a web interface won?t work you start using bash, perl and 
>> cron.
>> 
>> Or prepare to fork over hundreds of dollars.
>> 
>> ?
>> Ryan
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 22, 2014, at 20:11, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:
>> 
>>> That looks pretty cool, but again, wayyyy over complicated. All I need to 
>>> monitor is whether a bunch of webservers are up, not really my internal 
>>> network.
>>> 
>>> I really ind of wish Nagios had a decent configuration system. I love text 
>>> files but seriously guys...
>>> 
>>> I'm really looking for a solution I can apt-get install... this is the 
>>> point where I want something that Just Works. If it'll take longer to 
>>> download/set up/learn to configure/mess with configuration than it will 
>>> for me to write something simple, I'll just go write it! But I'd love 
>>> something that's aleady tried and tested.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I?m using Zenoss but I just started and haven?t really done much to set 
>>>> it up.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 22, 2014, at 20:01, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> (Resending form correct account, sorry admins)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ok, before I go write one myself, does anyone know of a simple website 
>>>>> uptime monitoring tool? Yeah, I can use Nagios but that's waaayyy 
>>>>> overdone and waaaaayyy overcomplicated.
>>>>> 
>>>>> All I need is something I can give a list of websites (or URLs), have it 
>>>>> do an HTTP connection to, possibly look for a string in the resulting 
>>>>> webpage and let me know "Hey that worked" or "Hey I got a HTTP/200 but 
>>>>> that string wasn't there" or "Hey it won't even talk on port 80". Be 
>>>>> nice if it can represent the output as HTML and allow to setup some 
>>>>> email alerts, but producing a nice processable text result would be 
>>>>> enough.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyone?
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From kc0iog at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 22:05:36 2014
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 22:05:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Simple Website Monitoring Tool
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1409222001220.23076@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1409222001220.23076@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <CAB3QoP=X5r9wC23rm25ntyKH++rnV8V2oN6Uo+uWEuNGxEhOeA@mail.gmail.com>

\On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 8:01 PM,  <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>
> Ok, before I go write one myself, does anyone know of a simple website
> uptime monitoring tool? Yeah, I can use Nagios but that's waaayyy overdone
> and waaaaayyy overcomplicated.

You could probably use curl.  Feed it a URL and then parse the results
to determine result (200, 404, 500,, etc).

Something to get you started:
http://osric.com/chris/accidental-developer/2011/09/monitoring-web-server-status-with-a-shell-script/

Brian

From tclug at freakzilla.com  Mon Sep 22 22:07:28 2014
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 22:07:28 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Simple Website Monitoring Tool
In-Reply-To: <CAB3QoP=X5r9wC23rm25ntyKH++rnV8V2oN6Uo+uWEuNGxEhOeA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1409222001220.23076@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <CAB3QoP=X5r9wC23rm25ntyKH++rnV8V2oN6Uo+uWEuNGxEhOeA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1409222206530.23076@cockerel.yaron.org>

Yeah, I was going to use wget, but then I figured I may as well do it 
"right" and use perl::LWP or somrthing. There are lots of options (:

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014, Brian Wall wrote:

> \On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 8:01 PM,  <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ok, before I go write one myself, does anyone know of a simple website
>> uptime monitoring tool? Yeah, I can use Nagios but that's waaayyy overdone
>> and waaaaayyy overcomplicated.
>
> You could probably use curl.  Feed it a URL and then parse the results
> to determine result (200, 404, 500,, etc).
>
> Something to get you started:
> http://osric.com/chris/accidental-developer/2011/09/monitoring-web-server-status-with-a-shell-script/
>
> Brian
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com  Mon Sep 22 23:06:23 2014
From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (kelly)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 23:06:23 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Simple Website Monitoring Tool
References: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1409222001220.23076@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <5420F1BF-0007CF41@penguinpackets.com>

Not extremely simple, but apt-get' able and a bit simpler to set up than
Nagios:  

http://omdistro.org/doc/quickstart_debian_ubuntu  

It has been quite a bit better experience than raw "touch everything and
watch it break" Nagios.? The added web gui bits take away quite a bit of the
pain, and it scales quite well.  

Kelly
KB0GBJ  
>  Mon Sep 22 2014 08:01:46 PM CDT from "tclug" <tclug at freakzilla.com> 
>Subject: [tclug-list] Simple Website Monitoring Tool
>
>  (Resending form correct account, sorry admins)
> 
> Ok, before I go write one myself, does anyone know of a simple website
>uptime 
> monitoring tool? Yeah, I can use Nagios but that's waaayyy overdone and 
> waaaaayyy overcomplicated.
> 
> All I need is something I can give a list of websites (or URLs), have it do
>an 
> HTTP connection to, possibly look for a string in the resulting webpage and
>let 
> me know "Hey that worked" or "Hey I got a HTTP/200 but that string wasn't 
> there" or "Hey it won't even talk on port 80". Be nice if it can represent
>the 
> output as HTML and allow to setup some email alerts, but producing a nice 
> processable text result would be enough.
> 
> Anyone?
> 
> --
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
>
>  

  

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From jus at krytosvirus.com  Mon Sep 22 23:46:56 2014
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 23:46:56 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Simple Website Monitoring Tool
Message-ID: <n313s3dhgvttyw9eixkd1vlu.1411447614726@email.android.com>

I wrote something like this years ago with perl LWP. It's actually quite simple. I ran it as a daemon and had a number of actions it could perform based on it's previous results (ie up before up now, up before down now, down before down now, and down before up now). Then I ended up branching that off into some simple cli tools (later cgi'ed as well) into http-header.pl and http-getter.pl scripts to make head and get requests respectively which occasionally are very useful for troubleshooting. I even added the heartbleed check in for a bit before the chrome bleed plugin was released.?

Something relatively straight forward like this I like to do myself so I can make fine tweaks to match my needs exactly instead of trying to string multiple different scripts/tools together and settle on "good enough"

Just my $.02




<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: tclug at freakzilla.com </div><div>Date:09/22/2014  10:07 PM  (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: TCLUG <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> </div><div>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Simple Website Monitoring Tool </div><div>
</div>Yeah, I was going to use wget, but then I figured I may as well do it 
"right" and use perl::LWP or somrthing. There are lots of options (:

On Mon, 22 Sep 2014, Brian Wall wrote:

> \On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 8:01 PM,  <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ok, before I go write one myself, does anyone know of a simple website
>> uptime monitoring tool? Yeah, I can use Nagios but that's waaayyy overdone
>> and waaaaayyy overcomplicated.
>
> You could probably use curl.  Feed it a URL and then parse the results
> to determine result (200, 404, 500,, etc).
>
> Something to get you started:
> http://osric.com/chris/accidental-developer/2011/09/monitoring-web-server-status-with-a-shell-script/
>
> Brian
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
_______________________________________________
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From troy.a.johnson at state.mn.us  Tue Sep 23 10:14:09 2014
From: troy.a.johnson at state.mn.us (Johnson, Troy.A (MNIT))
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 15:14:09 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Simple Website Monitoring Tool
Message-ID: <FDAD9C5EAEBDDE45BF439CD721A3C7B114F4019B@055-CH1MPN1-032.055d.mgd.msft.net>

I use Nagios at work and at home, but WebInject:

http://www.webinject.org/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/webinject/
https://github.com/sni/Webinject

might contain what you're looking for.

Troy Johnson 

---
Ok, before I go write one myself, does anyone know of a simple website uptime
monitoring tool? Yeah, I can use Nagios but that's waaayyy overdone and
waaaaayyy overcomplicated.
All I need is something I can give a list of websites (or URLs), have it do an
HTTP connection to, possibly look for a string in the resulting webpage and let
me know "Hey that worked" or "Hey I got a HTTP/200 but that string wasn't
there" or "Hey it won't even talk on port 80". Be nice if it can represent the
output as HTML and allow to setup some email alerts, but producing a nice
processable text result would be enough.
---

From canito at dalan.us  Tue Sep 23 18:40:23 2014
From: canito at dalan.us (canito at dalan.us)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 18:40:23 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Simple Website Monitoring Tool
In-Reply-To: <n313s3dhgvttyw9eixkd1vlu.1411447614726@email.android.com>
References: <n313s3dhgvttyw9eixkd1vlu.1411447614726@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <20140923184023.Horde.gkHRYogf5mqlI284pDyYaA1@mail.dalan.us>

I was just reading about this tool today for monitoring which seems  
interesting.

Not sure if has been mentioned or not, below is their site.

https://collectd.org/wiki/index.php/First_steps

Thanks.
SDA

Quoting Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com>:

> I wrote something like this years ago with perl LWP. It's actually  
> quite simple. I ran it as a daemon and had a number of actions it  
> could perform based on it's previous results (ie up before up now,  
> up before down now, down before down now, and down before up now).  
> Then I ended up branching that off into some simple cli tools (later  
> cgi'ed as well) into http-header.pl and http-getter.pl scripts to  
> make head and get requests respectively which occasionally are very  
> useful for troubleshooting. I even added the heartbleed check in for  
> a bit before the chrome bleed plugin was released.?
>
> Something relatively straight forward like this I like to do myself  
> so I can make fine tweaks to match my needs exactly instead of  
> trying to string multiple different scripts/tools together and  
> settle on "good enough"
>
> Just my $.02
>
>
>
>
> <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From:  
> tclug at freakzilla.com </div><div>Date:09/22/2014  10:07 PM   
> (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: TCLUG <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>  
> </div><div>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Simple Website Monitoring Tool  
> </div><div>
> </div>Yeah, I was going to use wget, but then I figured I may as well do it
> "right" and use perl::LWP or somrthing. There are lots of options (:
>
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014, Brian Wall wrote:
>
>> \On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 8:01 PM,  <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, before I go write one myself, does anyone know of a simple website
>>> uptime monitoring tool? Yeah, I can use Nagios but that's waaayyy overdone
>>> and waaaaayyy overcomplicated.
>>
>> You could probably use curl.  Feed it a URL and then parse the results
>> to determine result (200, 404, 500,, etc).
>>
>> Something to get you started:
>> http://osric.com/chris/accidental-developer/2011/09/monitoring-web-server-status-with-a-shell-script/
>>
>> Brian
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




From tclug at freakzilla.com  Tue Sep 23 19:57:13 2014
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 19:57:13 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Simple Website Monitoring Tool
In-Reply-To: <20140923184023.Horde.gkHRYogf5mqlI284pDyYaA1@mail.dalan.us>
References: <n313s3dhgvttyw9eixkd1vlu.1411447614726@email.android.com>
 <20140923184023.Horde.gkHRYogf5mqlI284pDyYaA1@mail.dalan.us>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1409231956291.22959@cockerel.yaron.org>

Thanks everyone. I just ended up writing my own thing. All it does right 
now is take a list of URLs and an optional string to match, and outputs a 
nice HTML file.


On Tue, 23 Sep 2014, canito at dalan.us wrote:

> I was just reading about this tool today for monitoring which seems 
> interesting.
>
> Not sure if has been mentioned or not, below is their site.
>
> https://collectd.org/wiki/index.php/First_steps
>
> Thanks.
> SDA
>
> Quoting Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com>:
>
>> I wrote something like this years ago with perl LWP. It's actually quite 
>> simple. I ran it as a daemon and had a number of actions it could perform 
>> based on it's previous results (ie up before up now, up before down now, 
>> down before down now, and down before up now). Then I ended up branching 
>> that off into some simple cli tools (later cgi'ed as well) into 
>> http-header.pl and http-getter.pl scripts to make head and get requests 
>> respectively which occasionally are very useful for troubleshooting. I even 
>> added the heartbleed check in for a bit before the chrome bleed plugin was 
>> released.?
>> 
>> Something relatively straight forward like this I like to do myself so I 
>> can make fine tweaks to match my needs exactly instead of trying to string 
>> multiple different scripts/tools together and settle on "good enough"
>> 
>> Just my $.02
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> <div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: 
>> tclug at freakzilla.com </div><div>Date:09/22/2014  10:07 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
>> </div><div>To: TCLUG <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> </div><div>Subject: Re: 
>> [tclug-list] Simple Website Monitoring Tool </div><div>
>> </div>Yeah, I was going to use wget, but then I figured I may as well do it
>> "right" and use perl::LWP or somrthing. There are lots of options (:
>> 
>> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014, Brian Wall wrote:
>> 
>>> \On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 8:01 PM,  <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Ok, before I go write one myself, does anyone know of a simple website
>>>> uptime monitoring tool? Yeah, I can use Nagios but that's waaayyy 
>>>> overdone
>>>> and waaaaayyy overcomplicated.
>>> 
>>> You could probably use curl.  Feed it a URL and then parse the results
>>> to determine result (200, 404, 500,, etc).
>>> 
>>> Something to get you started:
>>> http://osric.com/chris/accidental-developer/2011/09/monitoring-web-server-status-with-a-shell-script/
>>> 
>>> Brian
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From john.a.frisk at gmail.com  Tue Sep 23 22:07:54 2014
From: john.a.frisk at gmail.com (John Frisk)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 22:07:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] September Penguins Unbound Meeting
Message-ID: <CAAvSaRr72ZPL0aYTif-Hp0DRSTeYRR9-SS1rewPyAh28e+AJDg@mail.gmail.com>

Everyone is welcome to the September meeting of Penguins Unbound at TIES
Snelling Room this Saturday the 27th, 10AM - 12PM.

I will be demonstrating the software and hardware RAID on Linux systems.
My goal is to compare and contrast and come up with some general guidelines
for personal vs. professional needs.

We were going to do a tinker day with Rasperberry Pi but some of the
presenters were not able to join on Saturday.  We will postpone until
another day.

As usual the directions, time, and logistics are at:
http://www.penguinsunbound.com/

Thanks!
John
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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Thu Sep 25 16:08:25 2014
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 16:08:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: dark hangouts
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9AHjYjQQXBXC0Gz+kPk8r6bDHiY5a5EFLcpX6cj5UD0zQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9AHjYjQQXBXC0Gz+kPk8r6bDHiY5a5EFLcpX6cj5UD0zQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9D3eEY3a2iO58U1msFsRDmW_K+ODD+qE34muiyTmdLCUQ@mail.gmail.com>

hangouts won't send sms unless you're using chromium.  google digs deeper
into the dark side.
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From ryanjcole at me.com  Thu Sep 25 16:22:50 2014
From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 16:22:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: dark hangouts
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9D3eEY3a2iO58U1msFsRDmW_K+ODD+qE34muiyTmdLCUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9AHjYjQQXBXC0Gz+kPk8r6bDHiY5a5EFLcpX6cj5UD0zQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAD+dB9D3eEY3a2iO58U1msFsRDmW_K+ODD+qE34muiyTmdLCUQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <542487AA.1040308@me.com>

Really?

http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2014/07/no-more-sms-for-hangouts.html

I just checked my account (using Chrome) and there's no mention of SMS 
capabilities. If you want to use +10 digits I would use AOL IM. 12 years 
later it still works (and I use it almost daily).


On 9/25/2014 4:08 PM, gregrwm wrote:
> hangouts won't send sms unless you're using chromium.  google digs 
> deeper into the dark side.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com  Thu Sep 25 16:36:58 2014
From: ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com (Ryan Dunlop)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 16:36:58 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: dark hangouts
In-Reply-To: <542487AA.1040308@me.com>
References: <CAD+dB9AHjYjQQXBXC0Gz+kPk8r6bDHiY5a5EFLcpX6cj5UD0zQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAD+dB9D3eEY3a2iO58U1msFsRDmW_K+ODD+qE34muiyTmdLCUQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <542487AA.1040308@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAKOK-Rwsu+KvDNPzOtKtBZcNY3JgrdZaMTZ1LsN_JugP2WJJSQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ummm... Mine does.  I click a contact in hangouts.  There are icons on the
top of the tiny dialogue box that opens for video, group hangout, call,
sms.  Click sms and it opens another dialogue box to send sms.  This is on
FF.  Use it all the time.

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 4:22 PM, Ryan Coleman <ryanjcole at me.com> wrote:

>  Really?
>
> http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2014/07/no-more-sms-for-hangouts.html
>
> I just checked my account (using Chrome) and there's no mention of SMS
> capabilities. If you want to use +10 digits I would use AOL IM. 12 years
> later it still works (and I use it almost daily).
>
>
> On 9/25/2014 4:08 PM, gregrwm wrote:
>
> hangouts won't send sms unless you're using chromium.  google digs deeper
> into the dark side.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesotatclug-list at mn-linux.orghttp://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Thu Sep 25 17:55:08 2014
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 17:55:08 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] dark hangouts
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9BGUo2m_JsHweBSbDbTZUFjbm6AJ=jfE1GYEKMY2Gyerw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9AHjYjQQXBXC0Gz+kPk8r6bDHiY5a5EFLcpX6cj5UD0zQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAD+dB9D3eEY3a2iO58U1msFsRDmW_K+ODD+qE34muiyTmdLCUQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <542487AA.1040308@me.com>
 <CAKOK-Rwsu+KvDNPzOtKtBZcNY3JgrdZaMTZ1LsN_JugP2WJJSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAD+dB9BGUo2m_JsHweBSbDbTZUFjbm6AJ=jfE1GYEKMY2Gyerw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9B74KpYu5Fn3Y5zpy3Xu1Yd8c90rPj6E_AbD=tR-jf2vg@mail.gmail.com>

> in hangouts...send sms. This is on FF

hmm.  i'm on ubutrusty's firefox, i get "The Hangouts Chrome extension
won't work in your current browser.  You'll need to download Chrome before
installing the Hangouts Chrome extension.  Do you want to download Chrome
now?"

(and the page that says that is running a video as its background, sucking
all cpu, and when i typed the above at normal touch typing speed I got
"...ouoll nee toodownld oChromebeore innsoallingtno HnagtnsoChrom
notensionn oDo youwnnot to donnload Chno now?")
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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Thu Sep 25 21:08:57 2014
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 21:08:57 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] dark hangouts
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9BwVZTR6xsG_OACKH3XnoVpk2JBi4zprUcjVmWQpq_P2A@mail.gmail.com>

ok thanks ryan, working now.  still sorta suspicious that
hangouts.google.com leads you to believe you can only run hangouts in
chrome..
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From ryanjcole at me.com  Fri Sep 26 08:31:33 2014
From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 08:31:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] dark hangouts
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9B74KpYu5Fn3Y5zpy3Xu1Yd8c90rPj6E_AbD=tR-jf2vg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9AHjYjQQXBXC0Gz+kPk8r6bDHiY5a5EFLcpX6cj5UD0zQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAD+dB9D3eEY3a2iO58U1msFsRDmW_K+ODD+qE34muiyTmdLCUQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <542487AA.1040308@me.com>
 <CAKOK-Rwsu+KvDNPzOtKtBZcNY3JgrdZaMTZ1LsN_JugP2WJJSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAD+dB9BGUo2m_JsHweBSbDbTZUFjbm6AJ=jfE1GYEKMY2Gyerw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAD+dB9B74KpYu5Fn3Y5zpy3Xu1Yd8c90rPj6E_AbD=tR-jf2vg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54256AB5.8020706@me.com>

Could that be because the extension you tried to use was for Chrome and 
not Firefox? :)


On 9/25/2014 5:55 PM, gregrwm wrote:
>
> > in hangouts...send sms. This is on FF
>
> hmm.  i'm on ubutrusty's firefox, i get "The Hangouts Chrome extension 
> won't work in your current browser.  You'll need to download Chrome 
> before installing the Hangouts Chrome extension.  Do you want to 
> download Chrome now?"
>
> (and the page that says that is running a video as its background, 
> sucking all cpu, and when i typed the above at normal touch typing 
> speed I got "...ouoll nee toodownld oChromebeore innsoallingtno 
> HnagtnsoChrom notensionn oDo youwnnot to donnload Chno now?")
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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From ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com  Fri Sep 26 11:43:14 2014
From: ryan.c.dunlop at gmail.com (Ryan Dunlop)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 11:43:14 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] dark hangouts
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9BwVZTR6xsG_OACKH3XnoVpk2JBi4zprUcjVmWQpq_P2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9BwVZTR6xsG_OACKH3XnoVpk2JBi4zprUcjVmWQpq_P2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKOK-Rw3Xp7Dx1jXhk1MAgP4YGkgZwtb46dundcOCX9MJ8hfBQ@mail.gmail.com>

Never noticed that, but they sure make it seem that way, don't they?!

Then again, I don't know if I ever visited that page, just been using it
straight from my gmail account and/or phone.

Anyway, glad to hear it's working for you.

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:08 PM, gregrwm <tclug1 at whitleymott.net> wrote:

> ok thanks ryan, working now.  still sorta suspicious that
> hangouts.google.com leads you to believe you can only run hangouts in
> chrome..
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From lkateley at kateley.com  Fri Sep 26 13:39:14 2014
From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 13:39:14 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] dark hangouts
In-Reply-To: <CAKOK-Rw3Xp7Dx1jXhk1MAgP4YGkgZwtb46dundcOCX9MJ8hfBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9BwVZTR6xsG_OACKH3XnoVpk2JBi4zprUcjVmWQpq_P2A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKOK-Rw3Xp7Dx1jXhk1MAgP4YGkgZwtb46dundcOCX9MJ8hfBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5425B2D2.3040408@kateley.com>

Yea, just tried on my mac with firefox... can't

lk

On 9/26/14, 11:43 AM, Ryan Dunlop wrote:
> Never noticed that, but they sure make it seem that way, don't they?!
>
> Then again, I don't know if I ever visited that page, just been using 
> it straight from my gmail account and/or phone.
>
> Anyway, glad to hear it's working for you.
>
> On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:08 PM, gregrwm <tclug1 at whitleymott.net 
> <mailto:tclug1 at whitleymott.net>> wrote:
>
>     ok thanks ryan, working now.  still sorta suspicious that
>     hangouts.google.com <http://hangouts.google.com> leads you to
>     believe you can only run hangouts in chrome..
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>     tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>     http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ryanjcole at me.com  Fri Sep 26 13:48:59 2014
From: ryanjcole at me.com (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 13:48:59 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] dark hangouts
In-Reply-To: <5425B2D2.3040408@kateley.com>
References: <CAD+dB9BwVZTR6xsG_OACKH3XnoVpk2JBi4zprUcjVmWQpq_P2A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKOK-Rw3Xp7Dx1jXhk1MAgP4YGkgZwtb46dundcOCX9MJ8hfBQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <5425B2D2.3040408@kateley.com>
Message-ID: <5425B51B.7020907@me.com>

Sounds like they want their **** to work only on their ****... I could 
care less - Google has done very little for me since going public.



On 9/26/2014 1:39 PM, Linda Kateley wrote:
> Yea, just tried on my mac with firefox... can't
>
> lk
>
> On 9/26/14, 11:43 AM, Ryan Dunlop wrote:
>> Never noticed that, but they sure make it seem that way, don't they?!
>>
>> Then again, I don't know if I ever visited that page, just been using 
>> it straight from my gmail account and/or phone.
>>
>> Anyway, glad to hear it's working for you.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:08 PM, gregrwm <tclug1 at whitleymott.net 
>> <mailto:tclug1 at whitleymott.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     ok thanks ryan, working now.  still sorta suspicious that
>>     hangouts.google.com <http://hangouts.google.com> leads you to
>>     believe you can only run hangouts in chrome..
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>     tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>>     http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jpschewe at mtu.net  Sun Sep 28 21:23:40 2014
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 21:23:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] DMARC problem with yahoo and google and forwarding
Message-ID: <CALpcnoy_M+axVyxQuuN00xNq6hmmCJkH=2VL-a+UotpE8souhQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have my mtu.net email forwarded to my gmail account using procmail.
mtu.net runs amavis to check for spam. When someone from yahoo sends me an
email, many times it ends up in my spam folder on google because google
can't be sure the email came from yahoo. I've done some digging into this
and it seems that it's because of the DMARC settings that yahoo is using.
Has anyone else dealt with this and know what is the proper way for me to
forward mail from one mail account to the other with procmail so that I
don't break the DMARC headers? Or if it's amavis that is doing this?

Thanks.

Jon Schewe

-- 
http://mtu.net/~jpschewe
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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Tue Sep 30 12:54:30 2014
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 12:54:30 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] xfs
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9Dcu4DbhK4G2Er3iRXxaL=PJtfxT2xaodcsv_VWh0qKjg@mail.gmail.com>

is xfs a reliable choice under centos 6.5?  i see it's not offered as a
choice by the installer (at least not in a software raid device)
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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Tue Sep 30 13:33:01 2014
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 13:33:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] xfs
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9BoyAki8w75REqOv9fcimc0E3AETPrWwA67ZzP36H0AyQ@mail.gmail.com>

>
> is xfs a reliable choice under centos 6.5?  i see it's not offered as a
> choice by the installer (at least not in a software raid device)
>

hmm i'm working with CentOS-6.5-i386-minimal.iso, i wonder if xfs might be
offered as a choice on some other installer iso..
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From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com  Tue Sep 30 20:36:29 2014
From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 20:36:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] xfs
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9BoyAki8w75REqOv9fcimc0E3AETPrWwA67ZzP36H0AyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9BoyAki8w75REqOv9fcimc0E3AETPrWwA67ZzP36H0AyQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <542B5A9D.7070501@gmail.com>

On 9/30/2014 1:33 PM, gregrwm wrote:
>     is xfs a reliable choice under centos 6.5?  i see it's not offered
>     as a choice by the installer (at least not in a software raid device)
>
>
> hmm i'm working with CentOS-6.5-i386-minimal.iso, i wonder if xfs might
> be offered as a choice on some other installer iso..
>

I could be wrong, but I don't think(remember) xfs was an option.  I 
never used in in Centos 6, but the word on the street was it had issues 
specific to RH/Centos.  There also was a rumor that this was going to be 
fixed in 6.5, but don't use it I didn't pay attention.

XFS is the default filesys for Centos 7 now though.