From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Sat Aug  1 00:11:02 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 00:11:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Anyone experienced in exiv2?
Message-ID: <860E8C19-DFD8-402E-BBCE-E489F9AA1C54@cwis.biz>

I?m trying to get exiv2 to do XMP IPTC updates to images. I know I can do this with the following command (read from a file): 

> exiv2 -i X filename.JPG
requires having filename.xmp to reference.

But the script is going to do this 200 to 300 times in a folder, maybe more, and it would make more sense to have 1 file it references. Is that possible?

Any thoughts? I can create and delete the file (copy/delete, really) each time but I?d prefer to avoid that.

Thanks,
Ryan

From tclug at freakzilla.com  Sat Aug  1 00:29:25 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 00:29:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Anyone experienced in exiv2?
In-Reply-To: <860E8C19-DFD8-402E-BBCE-E489F9AA1C54@cwis.biz>
References: <860E8C19-DFD8-402E-BBCE-E489F9AA1C54@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1508010028520.1847@cockerel.yaron.org>

Well, you're going to make a script (or at least a for loop) do all the 
work, right? Might as well make it copy and then delete the file... or 
make a symlink...

On Sat, 1 Aug 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:

> I?m trying to get exiv2 to do XMP IPTC updates to images. I know I can do this with the following command (read from a file):
>
>> exiv2 -i X filename.JPG
> requires having filename.xmp to reference.
>
> But the script is going to do this 200 to 300 times in a folder, maybe more, and it would make more sense to have 1 file it references. Is that possible?
>
> Any thoughts? I can create and delete the file (copy/delete, really) each time but I?d prefer to avoid that.
>
> Thanks,
> Ryan
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Sat Aug  1 00:44:24 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2015 00:44:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Anyone experienced in exiv2?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1508010028520.1847@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <860E8C19-DFD8-402E-BBCE-E489F9AA1C54@cwis.biz>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1508010028520.1847@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <93111AAF-FBC6-4552-8272-D7ED732DA675@cwis.biz>

Yeah, that?s what I would do in an ideal world? but this is being attached to an upload script in PureFTPd so it?s called on demand.

I?d prefer to not burn up the disk IO resources on those read/writes if I can avoid it, ya know?


> On Aug 1, 2015, at 12:29 AM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, you're going to make a script (or at least a for loop) do all the work, right? Might as well make it copy and then delete the file... or make a symlink...
> 
> On Sat, 1 Aug 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> 
>> I?m trying to get exiv2 to do XMP IPTC updates to images. I know I can do this with the following command (read from a file):
>> 
>>> exiv2 -i X filename.JPG
>> requires having filename.xmp to reference.
>> 
>> But the script is going to do this 200 to 300 times in a folder, maybe more, and it would make more sense to have 1 file it references. Is that possible?
>> 
>> Any thoughts? I can create and delete the file (copy/delete, really) each time but I?d prefer to avoid that.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ryan
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 16:09:43 2015
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 16:09:43 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Problem building system
Message-ID: <CABWFOjsLDzp3qTeRwK53x=DE_x2GeRjyMgwAr3RpCwJq7pS44Q@mail.gmail.com>

Ryan Coleman writes:
>> On Jul 28, 2015, at 6:15 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I took the parts here
>>
>> http://maxcomputer1.com/ <http://maxcomputer1.com/>
>>
>> He had a bench and work area and I was able to have input in the
>> process and watch what he was doing. His verdict was that the power
>> converter (supply) and motherboard are bad and that the cpu and ram
>> are good.   He also charged less than Microcenter wanted.
>>
>> I was surprised the power converter was bad, but he checked it
>> several times.
>
> I?m not. I commented on that item specifically. $10-15 would have
confirmed that,
> but it would have required a functioning motherboard to be certain.
Although you
> could have tested the PSU with a $5 multimeter and a paperclip (to short
the
> ?power on? pair) without much trouble.

I've remained surprised and enough so that today I tested the
power converter in one of my other computers.  That computer
worked fine for the 15 minutes or so I left it on.  Now I'm not sure
what to think about the rest of what he told me.  I think I believe
him about the motherboard being bad and I want to believe him
about the cpu and ram being good, but ...

-- 
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
http://webEbenezer.net
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Sun Aug  2 17:59:24 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 17:59:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Problem building system
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjsLDzp3qTeRwK53x=DE_x2GeRjyMgwAr3RpCwJq7pS44Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjsLDzp3qTeRwK53x=DE_x2GeRjyMgwAr3RpCwJq7pS44Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6BC5C1F4-AD99-43F8-BEBC-FF1816D820E6@cwis.biz>

well, if it wasn?t booting and everything we seated right the motherboard was almost certainly shot, you may have shorted it when building it the first time or it was bad out of the box. What you described was not very helpful information from the motherboard which typically leans towards faulty.


> On Aug 2, 2015, at 4:09 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ryan Coleman writes:
> >> On Jul 28, 2015, at 6:15 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com <mailto:woodbrian77 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> I took the parts here
> >>
> >> http://maxcomputer1.com/ <http://maxcomputer1.com/> <http://maxcomputer1.com/ <http://maxcomputer1.com/>>
> >>
> >> He had a bench and work area and I was able to have input in the
> >> process and watch what he was doing. His verdict was that the power
> >> converter (supply) and motherboard are bad and that the cpu and ram
> >> are good.   He also charged less than Microcenter wanted.
> >>
> >> I was surprised the power converter was bad, but he checked it
> >> several times.
> >
> > I?m not. I commented on that item specifically. $10-15 would have confirmed that, 
> > but it would have required a functioning motherboard to be certain. Although you 
> > could have tested the PSU with a $5 multimeter and a paperclip (to short the 
> > ?power on? pair) without much trouble.
> 
> I've remained surprised and enough so that today I tested the
> power converter in one of my other computers.  That computer
> worked fine for the 15 minutes or so I left it on.  Now I'm not sure
> what to think about the rest of what he told me.  I think I believe 
> him about the motherboard being bad and I want to believe him
> about the cpu and ram being good, but ...
> 
> -- 
> Brian
> Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
> http://webEbenezer.net <http://webebenezer.net/>
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From nealzimm at cpinternet.com  Sun Aug  2 19:24:02 2015
From: nealzimm at cpinternet.com (Neal Zimmermann)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 19:24:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] looking for help with postfix/dovecot/pam
Message-ID: <1438561442.5069.0.camel@cpinternet.com>

It is a long story, but I needed to set up the server to send and
receive faxes.  To this end I installed Hylafax which said it needed an
email server.  So I set up postfix, which needed dovecot, which needed,
at minimum, pam.

I have all of that working except I have no idea (from the online how
tos) to setup a data base of users, addresses, and passwords.

Anyone have time to help?  My presence on the list is sporatic,
depending on my break times at work.  I am usually at the keyboard at
the server mornings from 8:00 am to 9:00 am.  At work I might be found
reading my email at 12:00 am to 12:15 am, 2:15 pm to 2:30 mp, 4:15 pm
to 4:45 pm and 6:45 pm to 7:00 pm.  Of course I cann't do much then but
accept your condolences.

For now if you would point me at some instructions on how to set up the
data base, I would be most grateful.

Neal

From nealzimm at cpinternet.com  Sun Aug  2 19:07:59 2015
From: nealzimm at cpinternet.com (Neal Zimmermann)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2015 19:07:59 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] looking for help with postfix/dovecot/pam
Message-ID: <1438560479.4094.10.camel@cpinternet.com>

It is a long story, but I needed to set up the server to send and
receive faxes.  To this end I installed Hylafax which said it needed an
email server.  So I set up postfix, which needed dovecot, which needed,
at minimum, pam.

I have all of that working except I have no idea (from the online how
tos) to setup a data base of users, addresses, and passwords.

Anyone have time to help?  My presence on the list is sporatic,
depending on my break times at work.  I am usually at the keyboard at
the server mornings from 8:00 am to 9:00 am.  At work I might be found
reading my email at 12:00 am to 12:15 am, 2:15 pm to 2:30 mp, 4:15 pm
to 4:45 pm and 6:45 pm to 7:00 pm.  Of course I cann't do much then but
accept your condolences.

For now if you would point me at some instructions on how to set up the
data base, I would be most grateful.

Neal

From sdalano at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 20:09:32 2015
From: sdalano at gmail.com (Saul Alanis)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 20:09:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] looking for help with postfix/dovecot/pam
In-Reply-To: <1438560479.4094.10.camel@cpinternet.com>
References: <1438560479.4094.10.camel@cpinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAPHnHUu2vKzu3wJj4yt0=k6GC7BOjHMfPgv3riB1Q6S68i4Qrg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Neal-

Sounds like a pretty significant task IMO and not a lot of time.

I wouldn't even know where to begin to advice you and you didn't even
mention what distribution you're running?

Guess it doesn't really matter and I don't have much for you other than
suggesting looking into distributions that serve just the directory
services space.

There's a few of them that offer a lot of the services out of the box, I
looked into this myself a while back. If it is work related they may not
even let you install FOSS without some type of approval.

Anyhow, my google searching skills are lacking right now and the only
example I could come up is: https://www.turnkeylinux.org/openldap

Sounds like this is what you need. I am sure you'll get some type of
response with other perhaps better suggestions.

Good luck!

SDA



On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 7:07 PM, Neal Zimmermann <nealzimm at cpinternet.com>
wrote:

> It is a long story, but I needed to set up the server to send and
> receive faxes.  To this end I installed Hylafax which said it needed an
> email server.  So I set up postfix, which needed dovecot, which needed,
> at minimum, pam.
>
> I have all of that working except I have no idea (from the online how
> tos) to setup a data base of users, addresses, and passwords.
>
> Anyone have time to help?  My presence on the list is sporatic,
> depending on my break times at work.  I am usually at the keyboard at
> the server mornings from 8:00 am to 9:00 am.  At work I might be found
> reading my email at 12:00 am to 12:15 am, 2:15 pm to 2:30 mp, 4:15 pm
> to 4:45 pm and 6:45 pm to 7:00 pm.  Of course I cann't do much then but
> accept your condolences.
>
> For now if you would point me at some instructions on how to set up the
> data base, I would be most grateful.
>
> Neal
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Sun Aug  2 20:46:20 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2015 20:46:20 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] looking for help with postfix/dovecot/pam
In-Reply-To: <CAPHnHUu2vKzu3wJj4yt0=k6GC7BOjHMfPgv3riB1Q6S68i4Qrg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1438560479.4094.10.camel@cpinternet.com>
 <CAPHnHUu2vKzu3wJj4yt0=k6GC7BOjHMfPgv3riB1Q6S68i4Qrg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BDE37366-89FE-4EF7-BAC2-01F97BA861FD@cwis.biz>

Yeah, that?s a royal PITB.

I used the following tutorial to set up a SQL-driven virtual domain system when LDAP was no longer viable for our needs.

http://www.geoffstratton.com/2013/05/ubuntu-mail-server-postfix-dovecot/ <http://www.geoffstratton.com/2013/05/ubuntu-mail-server-postfix-dovecot/>

And it?s been working very well for my needs.

Since it seems like you?re starting from scratch perhaps you could go this route? 


> On Aug 2, 2015, at 8:09 PM, Saul Alanis <sdalano at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Neal-
> 
> Sounds like a pretty significant task IMO and not a lot of time.
> 
> I wouldn't even know where to begin to advice you and you didn't even mention what distribution you're running?
> 
> Guess it doesn't really matter and I don't have much for you other than suggesting looking into distributions that serve just the directory services space.
> 
> There's a few of them that offer a lot of the services out of the box, I looked into this myself a while back. If it is work related they may not even let you install FOSS without some type of approval.
> 
> Anyhow, my google searching skills are lacking right now and the only example I could come up is: https://www.turnkeylinux.org/openldap <https://www.turnkeylinux.org/openldap>
> 
> Sounds like this is what you need. I am sure you'll get some type of response with other perhaps better suggestions.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> SDA
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 7:07 PM, Neal Zimmermann <nealzimm at cpinternet.com <mailto:nealzimm at cpinternet.com>> wrote:
> It is a long story, but I needed to set up the server to send and
> receive faxes.  To this end I installed Hylafax which said it needed an
> email server.  So I set up postfix, which needed dovecot, which needed,
> at minimum, pam.
> 
> I have all of that working except I have no idea (from the online how
> tos) to setup a data base of users, addresses, and passwords.
> 
> Anyone have time to help?  My presence on the list is sporatic,
> depending on my break times at work.  I am usually at the keyboard at
> the server mornings from 8:00 am to 9:00 am.  At work I might be found
> reading my email at 12:00 am to 12:15 am, 2:15 pm to 2:30 mp, 4:15 pm
> to 4:45 pm and 6:45 pm to 7:00 pm.  Of course I cann't do much then but
> accept your condolences.
> 
> For now if you would point me at some instructions on how to set up the
> data base, I would be most grateful.
> 
> Neal
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From nealzimm at cpinternet.com  Mon Aug  3 09:56:56 2015
From: nealzimm at cpinternet.com (Neal Zimmermann)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 09:56:56 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] looking for help with postfix/dovecot/pam
In-Reply-To: <CAPHnHUu2vKzu3wJj4yt0=k6GC7BOjHMfPgv3riB1Q6S68i4Qrg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1438560479.4094.10.camel@cpinternet.com>
 <CAPHnHUu2vKzu3wJj4yt0=k6GC7BOjHMfPgv3riB1Q6S68i4Qrg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1438613816.2930.16.camel@cpinternet.com>

On Sun, 2015-08-02 at 20:09 -0500, Saul Alanis wrote:
> Hey Neal-
> 
> Sounds like a pretty significant task IMO and not a lot of time.
> 
> I wouldn't even know where to begin to advice you and you didn't even mention what distribution you're running?
> 
> Guess it doesn't really matter and I don't have much for you other than suggesting looking into distributions that serve just the directory services space.
> 
> There's a few of them that offer a lot of the services out of the box, I looked into this myself a while back. If it is work related they may not even let you install FOSS without some 
> type of approval.
> 
> Anyhow, my google searching skills are lacking right now and the only example I could come up is: https://www.turnkeylinux.org/openldap
> 
> Sounds like this is what you need. I am sure you'll get some type of response with other perhaps better suggestions.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> SDA
> 
> ___________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

Sorry, I run Fedora here and the idea is to have a intranet mail server.
It really is helpful to get an email from the various pieces of
equipment when they have problems, so yes I will invest the time and
just maybe learn something.

Saul - I looked at your link, but if I need to use ldap, Fedora has
that pre-packaged, I'll use and learn that.

Ryan - looked at your link, pretty much is what I have seen googleing
around the internet myself, it does have a couple of points about
some things in dovecot that I will check out.

Before I added dovecot, postfix was delivering email to the super user
account on the server, it's just that I would like to get everything at
the workstation.

As for using how-tos for Ubuntu on a Fedora machine - meh, aside from
some trivial differences in installing packages, and starting-up
applications at boot-up, the procedures for running the applications
is mostly the same (same config files).  Systemd does give you some
helpful data:

$ sudo systemctl status postfix.service
postfix.service - Postfix Mail Transport Agent
   Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/postfix.service; enabled)
   Active: active (running) since Sun 2015-08-02 15:25:05 CDT; 17h ago
 Main PID: 28200 (master)
   CGroup: /system.slice/postfix.service
           ?? 2163 pickup -l -t unix -u
           ?? 3292 trivial-rewrite -n rewrite -t unix -u
           ?? 3293 smtp -t unix -u
           ?? 3294 bounce -z -n defer -t unix -u
           ?? 3463 cleanup -z -t unix -u
           ?? 3464 local -t unix
           ??28200 /usr/libexec/postfix/master -w
           ??28202 qmgr -l -t unix -u

Aug 03 09:00:09 server.atsome.com postfix/smtp[3293]: 1E03E4C03DB: to=<me at workstation.atsome.com>, orig_to=<root at server.atsome.com>, relay=none, delay=63380, delays=63380/0.02/0/0,...ute to
host)
Aug 03 09:01:39 server.atsome.com postfix/pickup[2163]: AF0B54C05C9: uid=0 from=<root>
Aug 03 09:01:39 server.atsome.com postfix/cleanup[3463]: AF0B54C05C9: message-id=<20150803140139.AF0B54C05C9 at server.atsome.com>
Aug 03 09:01:39 server.atsome.com postfix/qmgr[28202]: AF0B54C05C9: from=<root at server.atsome.com>, size=457, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Aug 03 09:01:39 server.atsome.com postfix/cleanup[3463]: B96974C05C3: message-id=<20150803140139.AF0B54C05C9 at server.atsome.com>
Aug 03 09:01:39 server.atsome.com postfix/qmgr[28202]: B96974C05C3: from=<root at server.atsome.com>, size=599, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Aug 03 09:01:39 server.atsome.com postfix/local[3464]: AF0B54C05C9: to=<me at server.atsome.com>, relay=local, delay=0.11, delays=0.07/0.01/0/0.03, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent
(forwarde...B96974C05C3)
Aug 03 09:01:39 server.atsome.com postfix/qmgr[28202]: AF0B54C05C9: removed
Aug 03 09:01:39 server.atsome.com postfix/smtp[3293]: connect to workstation.atsome.com[XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX]:25: No route to host
Aug 03 09:01:39 server.atsome.com postfix/smtp[3293]: B96974C05C3: to=<me at workstation.atsome.com>, orig_to=<me at server.atsome.com>, relay=none, delay=0.03, delays=0.03/0/0/0, dsn=...ute to
host)
Hint: Some lines were ellipsized, use -l to show in full.

From sdalano at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 10:15:37 2015
From: sdalano at gmail.com (Saul Alanis)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 10:15:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] looking for help with postfix/dovecot/pam
In-Reply-To: <1438613816.2930.16.camel@cpinternet.com>
References: <1438560479.4094.10.camel@cpinternet.com>
 <CAPHnHUu2vKzu3wJj4yt0=k6GC7BOjHMfPgv3riB1Q6S68i4Qrg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1438613816.2930.16.camel@cpinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAPHnHUsU3owhyEOd5hZ6ahG_c647jJTFAxbmUOQM-8BibZPzDg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Neil, many things are not clear to me, but this I understood from your
original statement, you said

"I have all of that working except I have no idea (from the online how
tos) to setup a data base of users, addresses, and passwords."

>From my experience setting up postfix, to have mail delivered locally to a
server, users have to exist on that system.
That means that you have to create by hand every single user to be able
receive and access faxes and whatnot.
Or simply forward mail to your corporate inbox.

My suggestion was to simply deploy a prepackaged LDAP distro that you can
quickly implement in your setup. If you already have LDAP on your
distribution why not use it to manage manage users, addresses and passwords?

To me that's the most logical way of accomplishing what you want. And of
course, there is a million ways to accomplish tasks in Linux. :)

Google search -->
http://acidx.net/wordpress/2014/06/installing-a-mailserver-with-postfix-dovecot-sasl-ldap-roundcube/

SDA

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Neal Zimmermann <nealzimm at cpinternet.com>
wrote:

> On Sun, 2015-08-02 at 20:09 -0500, Saul Alanis wrote:
> > Hey Neal-
> >
> > Sounds like a pretty significant task IMO and not a lot of time.
> >
> > I wouldn't even know where to begin to advice you and you didn't even
> mention what distribution you're running?
> >
> > Guess it doesn't really matter and I don't have much for you other than
> suggesting looking into distributions that serve just the directory
> services space.
> >
> > There's a few of them that offer a lot of the services out of the box, I
> looked into this myself a while back. If it is work related they may not
> even let you install FOSS without some
> > type of approval.
> >
> > Anyhow, my google searching skills are lacking right now and the only
> example I could come up is: https://www.turnkeylinux.org/openldap
> >
> > Sounds like this is what you need. I am sure you'll get some type of
> response with other perhaps better suggestions.
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > SDA
> >
> > ___________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> Sorry, I run Fedora here and the idea is to have a intranet mail server.
> It really is helpful to get an email from the various pieces of
> equipment when they have problems, so yes I will invest the time and
> just maybe learn something.
>
> Saul - I looked at your link, but if I need to use ldap, Fedora has
> that pre-packaged, I'll use and learn that.
>
> Ryan - looked at your link, pretty much is what I have seen googleing
> around the internet myself, it does have a couple of points about
> some things in dovecot that I will check out.
>
> Before I added dovecot, postfix was delivering email to the super user
> account on the server, it's just that I would like to get everything at
> the workstation.
>
> As for using how-tos for Ubuntu on a Fedora machine - meh, aside from
> some trivial differences in installing packages, and starting-up
> applications at boot-up, the procedures for running the applications
> is mostly the same (same config files).  Systemd does give you some
> helpful data:
>
> $ sudo systemctl status postfix.service
> postfix.service - Postfix Mail Transport Agent
>    Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/postfix.service; enabled)
>    Active: active (running) since Sun 2015-08-02 15:25:05 CDT; 17h ago
>  Main PID: 28200 (master)
>    CGroup: /system.slice/postfix.service
>            ?? 2163 pickup -l -t unix -u
>            ?? 3292 trivial-rewrite -n rewrite -t unix -u
>            ?? 3293 smtp -t unix -u
>            ?? 3294 bounce -z -n defer -t unix -u
>            ?? 3463 cleanup -z -t unix -u
>            ?? 3464 local -t unix
>            ??28200 /usr/libexec/postfix/master -w
>            ??28202 qmgr -l -t unix -u
>
> Aug 03 09:00:09 server.atsome.com postfix/smtp[3293]: 1E03E4C03DB: to=<
> me at workstation.atsome.com>, orig_to=<root at server.atsome.com>, relay=none,
> delay=63380, delays=63380/0.02/0/0,...ute to
> host)
> Aug 03 09:01:39 server.atsome.com postfix/pickup[2163]: AF0B54C05C9:
> uid=0 from=<root>
> Aug 03 09:01:39 server.atsome.com postfix/cleanup[3463]: AF0B54C05C9:
> message-id=<20150803140139.AF0B54C05C9 at server.atsome.com>
> Aug 03 09:01:39 server.atsome.com postfix/qmgr[28202]: AF0B54C05C9: from=<
> root at server.atsome.com>, size=457, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
> Aug 03 09:01:39 server.atsome.com postfix/cleanup[3463]: B96974C05C3:
> message-id=<20150803140139.AF0B54C05C9 at server.atsome.com>
> Aug 03 09:01:39 server.atsome.com postfix/qmgr[28202]: B96974C05C3: from=<
> root at server.atsome.com>, size=599, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
> Aug 03 09:01:39 server.atsome.com postfix/local[3464]: AF0B54C05C9: to=<
> me at server.atsome.com>, relay=local, delay=0.11, delays=0.07/0.01/0/0.03,
> dsn=2.0.0, status=sent
> (forwarde...B96974C05C3)
> Aug 03 09:01:39 server.atsome.com postfix/qmgr[28202]: AF0B54C05C9:
> removed
> Aug 03 09:01:39 server.atsome.com postfix/smtp[3293]: connect to
> workstation.atsome.com[XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX]:25: No route to host
> Aug 03 09:01:39 server.atsome.com postfix/smtp[3293]: B96974C05C3: to=<
> me at workstation.atsome.com>, orig_to=<me at server.atsome.com>, relay=none,
> delay=0.03, delays=0.03/0/0/0, dsn=...ute to
> host)
> Hint: Some lines were ellipsized, use -l to show in full.
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From nealzimm at cpinternet.com  Mon Aug  3 12:27:45 2015
From: nealzimm at cpinternet.com (nealzimm at cpinternet.com)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 12:27:45 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] looking for help with postfix/dovecot/pam
Message-ID: <55bfa491.2d8.46bb.364596777@cpinternet.com>

> Hi Neil, many things are not clear to me, but this I
> understood from your original statement, you said
> 
> "I have all of that working except I have no idea (from
> the online how tos) to setup a data base of users,
> addresses, and passwords."
> 
> From my experience setting up postfix, to have mail
> delivered locally to a server, users have to exist on that
> system. That means that you have to create by hand every
> single user to be able receive and access faxes and
> whatnot. Or simply forward mail to your corporate inbox.
> 
> My suggestion was to simply deploy a prepackaged LDAP
> distro that you can quickly implement in your setup. If
> you already have LDAP on your distribution why not use it
> to manage manage users, addresses and passwords?
> 
> To me that's the most logical way of accomplishing what
> you want. And of course, there is a million ways to
> accomplish tasks in Linux. :)
> 
> Google search -->
>
http://acidx.net/wordpress/2014/06/installing-a-mailserver-with-postfix-dovecot-sasl-ldap-roundcube/
> 
> SDA
> 
Saul;

This is a home server that I use to keep files on topics
that interest me.
So I can configure things any way I wish.  Thanks for the
link, I will have to
look into it next weekend. 

Neal 

From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 23:12:43 2015
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 23:12:43 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] HD Homerun -- which to get?
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1508032310260.24579@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

I've seen a few strong recommendations here for the HD Homerun from 
SiliconDust for use with MythTV, but when I look for it, I find a bunch of 
models:

http://www.google.com/search?q=hdhomerun+tuner&tbm=shop

Which one should I be trying to get?

Mike

From jjensen at apache.org  Mon Aug  3 23:24:59 2015
From: jjensen at apache.org (Jeff Jensen)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 23:24:59 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] HD Homerun -- which to get?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1508032310260.24579@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1508032310260.24579@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <CAKumxBzsBLsO+Q6O9h48PTu+Db5BD0jX-jdL45ZzADZYEc7fRg@mail.gmail.com>

Main decision is cable card or OTA (over the air) with antenna.  If OTA,
then also decide how many tuners, 1 or 2.

I have not restored my MythTV setup since the server main drive crashed
this past winter (data files are all fine) and my HDHR dual tuner has had
little use since.  Let me know if interested.


On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've seen a few strong recommendations here for the HD Homerun from
> SiliconDust for use with MythTV, but when I look for it, I find a bunch of
> models:
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=hdhomerun+tuner&tbm=shop
>
> Which one should I be trying to get?
>
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Tue Aug  4 11:58:19 2015
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 11:58:19 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] HD Homerun -- which to get?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1508032310260.24579@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1508032310260.24579@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <55C0EF2B.70406@Goecke-Dolan.com>


Mike,

The SiliconDust are great!

I have been using one with my MythTV for years (I have also used the 
native desktop app, with VLC to watch live TV from the HDHomeRun) it is 
the best tuner to use with mythtv (IMHO). Easy to setup, don't need to 
put a card/usb on a box, doesn't use resources of the MythTV system...

The question is which model.  I just have the basic HD Homerun connect 
dual turner never had issues with it.  John Frisk has been using the HD 
Home run PRIME I believe, and has it connected to his cable. (If you are 
going to use the PRIME you need to talk with John he will know who/how 
you need to talk with comcast to get the turner card for the PRIME.)

Good luck, happy to help if you have any other questions.

BTW we WILL be having our annual MythTV talk at the Penguins Unbound 
meeting this fall, date not set yet.  Watch the Meetup or the Website 
for announcement!

Penguins Unbound Meetup
http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound/events/221124540/

Penguins Unbound Webpage
http://www.penguinsunbound.org


==>brian.

On 08/03/2015 11:12 PM, Mike Miller wrote:
> I've seen a few strong recommendations here for the HD Homerun from
> SiliconDust for use with MythTV, but when I look for it, I find a bunch
> of models:
>
> http://www.google.com/search?q=hdhomerun+tuner&tbm=shop
>
> Which one should I be trying to get?
>
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From tlunde at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 12:33:48 2015
From: tlunde at gmail.com (T L)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 12:33:48 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] HD Homerun -- which to get?
In-Reply-To: <55C0EF2B.70406@Goecke-Dolan.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1508032310260.24579@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
 <55C0EF2B.70406@Goecke-Dolan.com>
Message-ID: <CAE0VmCySWXw6-OPA4h2ZPRf9WZ0cbRZj6NdFvura=cF1iRVVeg@mail.gmail.com>

Let me join the chorus praising the SiliconDust tuners!  :-)

Seriously, though, here's your decision tree:

Do you want to record cable TV?
If yes, you want a model that can accept a CableCard.  That's the PRIME
model, which can record three channels at a time . $115 at Amazon.

Do you want to capture from satellite?
If yes, the you don't want one of these: you need something that will take
HDMI or component inputs and do something with it. A Hauppauge HD PVR 2 or
something similar which can record one channel at a time.

Do you want to record over the air TV?
If yes, then:

Do you require that you can watch it on your phone or some other device
that needs to get the content via WiFi?
If yes, then you must have transcoding. One can do this via transcoding on
the back end (as I've been doing for years) or use the brand new option of
a hardware-based transcoder in the EXTEND model (formerly known as the PLUS
model) which can record and transcoder two channels at the same time.  This
is $195 at Amazon.

If you are OK with transcoding on the back end or:

Will you be watching it using frontends that can use wired Ethernet, such
as an Amazon FireTV running XBMC or Kodi or a Raspberry Pi or a PC or Mac?
If either of these, then you can use the cheapest model.

Now known as the CONNECT (formerly known as the DUAL), this can recird two
channels at the same time and is $80 from Amazon.

I own three DUAL tuners. One has the newer black box and two are the older
grey boxes. They are functionally equivalent. We now live in a home where I
can't run Ethernet to an important room. As a test, I've purchased an
EXTEND model and verified that I can watch there over WiFi.

So, in selling my older DUAL tuners and upgrading to another EXTEND model.
If you want to buy them, I think that $40 is a fair price.

A bit about the number of devices: consider the maximum simultaneous
recording channels. For OTA, you might want to record PBS, ABC, CBS, NBC
and Fox at the same time. You'd need two PRIME or three over the air boxes.
I've been using MythTV since 2002 and a need for five simultaneous channels
has never happened to me. If you only want to record four channels at the
same time, you need two devices. (I have three because I used to have a
Myth box at my uncle's in Iowa. )

Hope this helps. Let me know if anyone wants to buy my old tuners.

Thomas
On Aug 4, 2015 12:06 PM, "Brian Dolan-Goecke" <goeko at goecke-dolan.com>
wrote:

>
> Mike,
>
> The SiliconDust are great!
>
> I have been using one with my MythTV for years (I have also used the
> native desktop app, with VLC to watch live TV from the HDHomeRun) it is the
> best tuner to use with mythtv (IMHO). Easy to setup, don't need to put a
> card/usb on a box, doesn't use resources of the MythTV system...
>
> The question is which model.  I just have the basic HD Homerun connect
> dual turner never had issues with it.  John Frisk has been using the HD
> Home run PRIME I believe, and has it connected to his cable. (If you are
> going to use the PRIME you need to talk with John he will know who/how you
> need to talk with comcast to get the turner card for the PRIME.)
>
> Good luck, happy to help if you have any other questions.
>
> BTW we WILL be having our annual MythTV talk at the Penguins Unbound
> meeting this fall, date not set yet.  Watch the Meetup or the Website for
> announcement!
>
> Penguins Unbound Meetup
> http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound/events/221124540/
>
> Penguins Unbound Webpage
> http://www.penguinsunbound.org
>
>
> ==>brian.
>
> On 08/03/2015 11:12 PM, Mike Miller wrote:
>
>> I've seen a few strong recommendations here for the HD Homerun from
>> SiliconDust for use with MythTV, but when I look for it, I find a bunch
>> of models:
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=hdhomerun+tuner&tbm=shop
>>
>> Which one should I be trying to get?
>>
>> Mike
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Tue Aug  4 12:44:18 2015
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 12:44:18 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] HD Homerun -- which to get?
In-Reply-To: <CAE0VmCySWXw6-OPA4h2ZPRf9WZ0cbRZj6NdFvura=cF1iRVVeg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1508032310260.24579@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
 <55C0EF2B.70406@Goecke-Dolan.com>
 <CAE0VmCySWXw6-OPA4h2ZPRf9WZ0cbRZj6NdFvura=cF1iRVVeg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55C0F9F2.1020907@Goecke-Dolan.com>

Just another note,

Another difference I noticed in the models is the ability to view via 
DLNA device.  My older (cheaper) dual tuner does not have that ability, 
and I think the less expensive models do have the DLNA viewing...

This page seemed to work best to compare models
(list DLNA & transcode ability by model..)

http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/

I believe microcenter does carry the SiliconDust devices also that is 
where I got my last one. But I don't think they carry all models.

Good luck.

==>brian.

On 08/04/2015 12:33 PM, T L wrote:
> Let me join the chorus praising the SiliconDust tuners!  :-)
>
> Seriously, though, here's your decision tree:
>
> Do you want to record cable TV?
> If yes, you want a model that can accept a CableCard.  That's the PRIME
> model, which can record three channels at a time . $115 at Amazon.
>
> Do you want to capture from satellite?
> If yes, the you don't want one of these: you need something that will
> take HDMI or component inputs and do something with it. A Hauppauge HD
> PVR 2 or something similar which can record one channel at a time.
>
> Do you want to record over the air TV?
> If yes, then:
>
> Do you require that you can watch it on your phone or some other device
> that needs to get the content via WiFi?
> If yes, then you must have transcoding. One can do this via transcoding
> on the back end (as I've been doing for years) or use the brand new
> option of a hardware-based transcoder in the EXTEND model (formerly
> known as the PLUS model) which can record and transcoder two channels at
> the same time.  This is $195 at Amazon.
>
> If you are OK with transcoding on the back end or:
>
> Will you be watching it using frontends that can use wired Ethernet,
> such as an Amazon FireTV running XBMC or Kodi or a Raspberry Pi or a PC
> or Mac?
> If either of these, then you can use the cheapest model.
>
> Now known as the CONNECT (formerly known as the DUAL), this can recird
> two channels at the same time and is $80 from Amazon.
>
> I own three DUAL tuners. One has the newer black box and two are the
> older grey boxes. They are functionally equivalent. We now live in a
> home where I can't run Ethernet to an important room. As a test, I've
> purchased an EXTEND model and verified that I can watch there over WiFi.
>
> So, in selling my older DUAL tuners and upgrading to another EXTEND
> model. If you want to buy them, I think that $40 is a fair price.
>
> A bit about the number of devices: consider the maximum simultaneous
> recording channels. For OTA, you might want to record PBS, ABC, CBS, NBC
> and Fox at the same time. You'd need two PRIME or three over the air
> boxes. I've been using MythTV since 2002 and a need for five
> simultaneous channels has never happened to me. If you only want to
> record four channels at the same time, you need two devices. (I have
> three because I used to have a Myth box at my uncle's in Iowa. )
>
> Hope this helps. Let me know if anyone wants to buy my old tuners.
>
> Thomas
>
> On Aug 4, 2015 12:06 PM, "Brian Dolan-Goecke" <goeko at goecke-dolan.com
> <mailto:goeko at goecke-dolan.com>> wrote:
>
>
>     Mike,
>
>     The SiliconDust are great!
>
>     I have been using one with my MythTV for years (I have also used the
>     native desktop app, with VLC to watch live TV from the HDHomeRun) it
>     is the best tuner to use with mythtv (IMHO). Easy to setup, don't
>     need to put a card/usb on a box, doesn't use resources of the MythTV
>     system...
>
>     The question is which model.  I just have the basic HD Homerun
>     connect dual turner never had issues with it.  John Frisk has been
>     using the HD Home run PRIME I believe, and has it connected to his
>     cable. (If you are going to use the PRIME you need to talk with John
>     he will know who/how you need to talk with comcast to get the turner
>     card for the PRIME.)
>
>     Good luck, happy to help if you have any other questions.
>
>     BTW we WILL be having our annual MythTV talk at the Penguins Unbound
>     meeting this fall, date not set yet.  Watch the Meetup or the
>     Website for announcement!
>
>     Penguins Unbound Meetup
>     http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound/events/221124540/
>
>     Penguins Unbound Webpage
>     http://www.penguinsunbound.org
>
>
>     ==>brian.
>
>     On 08/03/2015 11:12 PM, Mike Miller wrote:
>
>         I've seen a few strong recommendations here for the HD Homerun from
>         SiliconDust for use with MythTV, but when I look for it, I find
>         a bunch
>         of models:
>
>         http://www.google.com/search?q=hdhomerun+tuner&tbm=shop
>
>         Which one should I be trying to get?
>
>         Mike
>         _______________________________________________
>         TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>         tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>         http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>     tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>     http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From kurtis at riseup.net  Tue Aug  4 17:53:17 2015
From: kurtis at riseup.net (kurtis at riseup.net)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2015 22:53:17 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Do you trust your Bios? Check out Libreboot,
	the FOSS Bios.
In-Reply-To: <CAE0VmCySWXw6-OPA4h2ZPRf9WZ0cbRZj6NdFvura=cF1iRVVeg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1508032310260.24579@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
 <55C0EF2B.70406@Goecke-Dolan.com>
 <CAE0VmCySWXw6-OPA4h2ZPRf9WZ0cbRZj6NdFvura=cF1iRVVeg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <07f7c8c5074d7c21e3e6f1d0715cb114@riseup.net>

Hey TCLUG,

I'm not sure if you've been reading the news recently related to how 
insecure most proprietary Bios software is, but here's a blog post, 
video, and set of slides to bring you up to speed or jog your memory:

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2015/03/bios_hacking.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNYsfUNegEA
http://legbacore.com/Research_files/HowManyMillionBIOSWouldYouLikeToInfect_Full2.pdf

I have been using Tails, which is based on Debian, as my primary 
operating system for a year and a half now and recently transitioned to 
a Libreboot laptop due to the news in the links above. Free and Open 
Source Software is the only way to go if you want to have an auditable 
Bios chip. You can't audit proprietary Bios chips for security because 
you can't even read the code they use. Anyways, if you haven't heard of 
Libreboot, here's some more information about it:

http://libreboot.org/faq/
https://twitter.com/hashtag/libreboot

Another reason why I made the transition was because I have come to love 
free software all the more as I get older and wiser and wanted a 
computer that respected my freedom. Here's some info about how the 
Libreboot X200 got the Free Software Foundation's Respects Your Freedom 
(RYF) certification: 
https://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/gluglug

Once I figured out how to flash Libreboot onto Thinkpad Bios chips I 
went a bit overboard and flashed too many and am now looking to sell a 
few of them (and take orders for more if there is an interest). I have 
an X200 and a T400 for sale currently. They are both very high quality 
machines with very little wear. As far as I understand the Libreboot 
X200 is only available from this online store which is based in England: 
http://minifree.org/product/libreboot-x200/ To ship it to Minnesota, it 
would end up cost a minimum of $475 for the cheapest model. Please 
correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the Libreboot T400 is even 
available to buy anywhere at all.

I am looking for $275 for the X200 and $325 for the T400. If multiple 
people offer to pay me less, I'll sell it to whoever gives me the best 
offer. I live in South Minneapolis and am more than willing to meet up 
with you and let you check out the condition of the computers before you 
buy them. I'm currently running Tails on the machines, but I can install 
Trisquel or your prefered OS ahead of time if are confident that you'd 
like to buy the machines. I'm also planning on flashing a MacBook 2.1 
with Libreboot in the near future if anyone is interested in buying 
that.

In Liberty,
Kurtis Hanna
https://twitter.com/CaptainKurtis

From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 14:20:10 2015
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 14:20:10 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Got it working
Message-ID: <CABWFOjt1s6C=mh8WtoHqM_x3NHqmnP62ti8jCf3O3jNTbOvuoQ@mail.gmail.com>

I ordered a new motherboard (Supermicro) and am happy to
say that things are working finally.

Now I'm wondering if I should buy some thermal paste
and apply that.  I removed the heat sink a number of
times when I was testing the previous configuration.

It's just running on the motherboard box so I have to put
it in the case.  I'm using a thumb drive to get it to boot
and still have to order an ssd.

The first time I tried it I didn't have to push the power button.
I just flipped the switch on the power converter and the fan
started spinning and so on.  The second time I had to push
the power button.

-- 
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - So far G-d has helped us.
http://webEbenezer.net
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From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 14:50:56 2015
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 14:50:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] simple slideshow software idea - does it already exist?
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1508071438400.24579@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

This is something I wish I had.  This program would take as input (1) an 
audio file, (2) a text file with a list of images, and times and it would 
then play the audio file while displaying the images at the listed times. 
The text input might look like this:

0:00 image1.jpg
0:37 image2.jpg
1:27 image3.jpg

So the audio would start with image1.jpg displayed, then at 0:37 it would 
switch to image2.jpg and at 1:27 it would switch to image3.jpg.  I can 
think of a few cool bells and whistles to add to that.

Does such a thing exist?

Another idea would be to have the program read in that info and create a 
video file (e.g., MP4) that plays the audio and shows the images at the 
designated times.

It is important to be able to use this on all common OSs like Windows, OS 
X and Linux.

Any ideas?

Best,
Mike

From kellywilliams81 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 18:26:48 2015
From: kellywilliams81 at gmail.com (Kelly Williams)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 18:26:48 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] simple slideshow software idea - does it already
	exist?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1508071438400.24579@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1508071438400.24579@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <CALkoPAodue1PJ66dAC8=xb+dtLRYG-cLOTpNAPZmVvSSPadeOQ@mail.gmail.com>

You can do that in Kdenlive.. What distro you using..

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is something I wish I had.  This program would take as input (1) an
> audio file, (2) a text file with a list of images, and times and it would
> then play the audio file while displaying the images at the listed times.
> The text input might look like this:
>
> 0:00 image1.jpg
> 0:37 image2.jpg
> 1:27 image3.jpg
>
> So the audio would start with image1.jpg displayed, then at 0:37 it would
> switch to image2.jpg and at 1:27 it would switch to image3.jpg.  I can
> think of a few cool bells and whistles to add to that.
>
> Does such a thing exist?
>
> Another idea would be to have the program read in that info and create a
> video file (e.g., MP4) that plays the audio and shows the images at the
> designated times.
>
> It is important to be able to use this on all common OSs like Windows, OS
> X and Linux.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Best,
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From kellywilliams81 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 18:39:16 2015
From: kellywilliams81 at gmail.com (Kelly Williams)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 18:39:16 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] simple slideshow software idea - does it already
	exist?
In-Reply-To: <CALkoPAodue1PJ66dAC8=xb+dtLRYG-cLOTpNAPZmVvSSPadeOQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1508071438400.24579@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
 <CALkoPAodue1PJ66dAC8=xb+dtLRYG-cLOTpNAPZmVvSSPadeOQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALkoPApQFUOVP2mj3dPxM5qUpkhb2d3qKPhW_aN_7DxqM-TQoA@mail.gmail.com>

If you need help making a video let me know you can email what in the video
and I can help you..

Kelly willaims


On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Kelly Williams <kellywilliams81 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> You can do that in Kdenlive.. What distro you using..
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This is something I wish I had.  This program would take as input (1) an
>> audio file, (2) a text file with a list of images, and times and it would
>> then play the audio file while displaying the images at the listed times.
>> The text input might look like this:
>>
>> 0:00 image1.jpg
>> 0:37 image2.jpg
>> 1:27 image3.jpg
>>
>> So the audio would start with image1.jpg displayed, then at 0:37 it would
>> switch to image2.jpg and at 1:27 it would switch to image3.jpg.  I can
>> think of a few cool bells and whistles to add to that.
>>
>> Does such a thing exist?
>>
>> Another idea would be to have the program read in that info and create a
>> video file (e.g., MP4) that plays the audio and shows the images at the
>> designated times.
>>
>> It is important to be able to use this on all common OSs like Windows, OS
>> X and Linux.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> Best,
>> Mike
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>
>
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From troyapeterson at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 19:11:21 2015
From: troyapeterson at gmail.com (Troy A. Peterson)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 19:11:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] simple slideshow software idea - does it already
	exist?
In-Reply-To: <CALkoPApQFUOVP2mj3dPxM5qUpkhb2d3qKPhW_aN_7DxqM-TQoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1508071438400.24579@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
 <CALkoPAodue1PJ66dAC8=xb+dtLRYG-cLOTpNAPZmVvSSPadeOQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALkoPApQFUOVP2mj3dPxM5qUpkhb2d3qKPhW_aN_7DxqM-TQoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJkTfhh=59j4iLxEWHCripTkAc7B19oSsi1QK6tE4DhH_w17GQ@mail.gmail.com>

If we're talking about the same thing, I had a startup that did this type
of video annotation several years ago.  Take a look at Popcorn.js.  Lmk if
you want some insight from someone who's read all the docs.

Troy

On Friday, August 7, 2015, Kelly Williams <kellywilliams81 at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you need help making a video let me know you can email what in the
> video and I can help you..
>
> Kelly willaims
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Kelly Williams <kellywilliams81 at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kellywilliams81 at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> You can do that in Kdenlive.. What distro you using..
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mbmiller%2Bl at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is something I wish I had.  This program would take as input (1) an
>>> audio file, (2) a text file with a list of images, and times and it would
>>> then play the audio file while displaying the images at the listed times.
>>> The text input might look like this:
>>>
>>> 0:00 image1.jpg
>>> 0:37 image2.jpg
>>> 1:27 image3.jpg
>>>
>>> So the audio would start with image1.jpg displayed, then at 0:37 it
>>> would switch to image2.jpg and at 1:27 it would switch to image3.jpg.  I
>>> can think of a few cool bells and whistles to add to that.
>>>
>>> Does such a thing exist?
>>>
>>> Another idea would be to have the program read in that info and create a
>>> video file (e.g., MP4) that plays the audio and shows the images at the
>>> designated times.
>>>
>>> It is important to be able to use this on all common OSs like Windows,
>>> OS X and Linux.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Mike
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tclug-list at mn-linux.org');>
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>
>>
>

-- 
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From max at bernsteinforpresident.com  Fri Aug  7 19:45:14 2015
From: max at bernsteinforpresident.com (Max Shinn)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 19:45:14 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] simple slideshow software idea - does it already
 exist?
In-Reply-To: <CAJkTfhh=59j4iLxEWHCripTkAc7B19oSsi1QK6tE4DhH_w17GQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1508071438400.24579@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
 <CALkoPAodue1PJ66dAC8=xb+dtLRYG-cLOTpNAPZmVvSSPadeOQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALkoPApQFUOVP2mj3dPxM5qUpkhb2d3qKPhW_aN_7DxqM-TQoA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJkTfhh=59j4iLxEWHCripTkAc7B19oSsi1QK6tE4DhH_w17GQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20150807194514.331cf9e5@morris>

If you don't need a "real" solution and are okay with something hacky,
it would be pretty easy to write a bash or awk script that generates a
number of copies (hard linked) of each image equal to the number of
seconds it is to be displayed, naming them incrementally.  Then the
script could just run ffmpeg with an fps of 1 to generate the slide
show.  So for your example:

frame0001.jpg -> image1.jpg
frame0002.jpg -> image1.jpg
...
frame0037.jpg -> image1.jpg
frame0038.jpg -> image2.jpg
...

and so on.  Then a simple ffmpeg call is all you would need.

-Max

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From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Fri Aug  7 22:07:35 2015
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2015 22:07:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] simple slideshow software idea - does it already
 exist?
In-Reply-To: <CALkoPAodue1PJ66dAC8=xb+dtLRYG-cLOTpNAPZmVvSSPadeOQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1508071438400.24579@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
 <CALkoPAodue1PJ66dAC8=xb+dtLRYG-cLOTpNAPZmVvSSPadeOQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55C57277.5010302@Goecke-Dolan.com>


I have used PhotoFilmStrip on Xubuntu to make a stop motion video with 
the kids. (Didn't see any sound option but once you have the video it is 
pretty easy to add sound with ffmepg )

I believe some of the video editing program can also do that.... I know 
I have seen it in one of them before but it has been a long time since I 
messed with one.  Could of been in the cd/dvd burning program also ?

==>brian.

On 08/07/2015 06:26 PM, Kelly Williams wrote:
> You can do that in Kdenlive.. What distro you using..
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com
> <mailto:mbmiller+l at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     This is something I wish I had.  This program would take as input
>     (1) an audio file, (2) a text file with a list of images, and times
>     and it would then play the audio file while displaying the images at
>     the listed times. The text input might look like this:
>
>     0:00 image1.jpg
>     0:37 image2.jpg
>     1:27 image3.jpg
>
>     So the audio would start with image1.jpg displayed, then at 0:37 it
>     would switch to image2.jpg and at 1:27 it would switch to
>     image3.jpg.  I can think of a few cool bells and whistles to add to
>     that.
>
>     Does such a thing exist?
>
>     Another idea would be to have the program read in that info and
>     create a video file (e.g., MP4) that plays the audio and shows the
>     images at the designated times.
>
>     It is important to be able to use this on all common OSs like
>     Windows, OS X and Linux.
>
>     Any ideas?
>
>     Best,
>     Mike
>     _______________________________________________
>     TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>     tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>     http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From kenlynes at usa.net  Sat Aug  8 09:19:01 2015
From: kenlynes at usa.net (Kenneth Lynes)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2015 09:19:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 128, Issue 6 Got it working
Message-ID: <689THHosB6704S06.1439043541@web06.cms.usa.net>


Hi Brian,
Make sure you get that thermal paste and get a thin layer of it on that cpu.
It is must easier now with the motherboard out of the case. Careful of the fan
and clips and make sure it is all seated properly, then check to see if you
have any issues with posting. The thermal grease may not seem like it is
needed now since things are working ok at first, but it will cause an issue
later on if you dont use it. It is odd you can get the cpu to start up without
it.
Ken Lynes
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>    1. Got it working (Brian Wood)
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>       (Mike Miller)
>    3. Re: simple slideshow software idea - does it already	exist?
>       (Kelly Williams)
>    4. Re: simple slideshow software idea - does it already	exist?
>       (Kelly Williams)
>    5. Re: simple slideshow software idea - does it already	exist?
>       (Troy A. Peterson)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 14:20:10 -0500
> From: Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com>
> To: tclug-list <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: [tclug-list] Got it working
> Message-ID:
> 	<CABWFOjt1s6C=mh8WtoHqM_x3NHqmnP62ti8jCf3O3jNTbOvuoQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> I ordered a new motherboard (Supermicro) and am happy to
> say that things are working finally.
> 
> Now I'm wondering if I should buy some thermal paste
> and apply that.  I removed the heat sink a number of
> times when I was testing the previous configuration.
> 
> It's just running on the motherboard box so I have to put
> it in the case.  I'm using a thumb drive to get it to boot
> and still have to order an ssd.
> 
> The first time I tried it I didn't have to push the power button.
> I just flipped the switch on the power converter and the fan
> started spinning and so on.  The second time I had to push
> the power button.
> 
> -- 
> Brian
> Ebenezer Enterprises - So far G-d has helped us.
> http://webEbenezer.net
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> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 14:50:56 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com>
> To: TCLUG List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: [tclug-list] simple slideshow software idea - does it already
> 	exist?
> Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1508071438400.24579 at taxa.psych.umn.edu>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII
> 
> This is something I wish I had.  This program would take as input (1) an 
> audio file, (2) a text file with a list of images, and times and it would 
> then play the audio file while displaying the images at the listed times. 
> The text input might look like this:
> 
> 0:00 image1.jpg
> 0:37 image2.jpg
> 1:27 image3.jpg
> 
> So the audio would start with image1.jpg displayed, then at 0:37 it would 
> switch to image2.jpg and at 1:27 it would switch to image3.jpg.  I can 
> think of a few cool bells and whistles to add to that.
> 
> Does such a thing exist?
> 
> Another idea would be to have the program read in that info and create a 
> video file (e.g., MP4) that plays the audio and shows the images at the 
> designated times.
> 
> It is important to be able to use this on all common OSs like Windows, OS 
> X and Linux.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Best,
> Mike
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 18:26:48 -0500
> From: Kelly Williams <kellywilliams81 at gmail.com>
> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] simple slideshow software idea - does it
> 	already	exist?
> Message-ID:
> 	<CALkoPAodue1PJ66dAC8=xb+dtLRYG-cLOTpNAPZmVvSSPadeOQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> You can do that in Kdenlive.. What distro you using..
> 
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > This is something I wish I had.  This program would take as input (1) an
> > audio file, (2) a text file with a list of images, and times and it would
> > then play the audio file while displaying the images at the listed times.
> > The text input might look like this:
> >
> > 0:00 image1.jpg
> > 0:37 image2.jpg
> > 1:27 image3.jpg
> >
> > So the audio would start with image1.jpg displayed, then at 0:37 it would
> > switch to image2.jpg and at 1:27 it would switch to image3.jpg.  I can
> > think of a few cool bells and whistles to add to that.
> >
> > Does such a thing exist?
> >
> > Another idea would be to have the program read in that info and create a
> > video file (e.g., MP4) that plays the audio and shows the images at the
> > designated times.
> >
> > It is important to be able to use this on all common OSs like Windows, OS
> > X and Linux.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> > Best,
> > Mike
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
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> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 18:39:16 -0500
> From: Kelly Williams <kellywilliams81 at gmail.com>
> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] simple slideshow software idea - does it
> 	already	exist?
> Message-ID:
> 	<CALkoPApQFUOVP2mj3dPxM5qUpkhb2d3qKPhW_aN_7DxqM-TQoA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> If you need help making a video let me know you can email what in the video
> and I can help you..
> 
> Kelly willaims
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Kelly Williams <kellywilliams81 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > You can do that in Kdenlive.. What distro you using..
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> This is something I wish I had.  This program would take as input (1) an
> >> audio file, (2) a text file with a list of images, and times and it
would
> >> then play the audio file while displaying the images at the listed
times.
> >> The text input might look like this:
> >>
> >> 0:00 image1.jpg
> >> 0:37 image2.jpg
> >> 1:27 image3.jpg
> >>
> >> So the audio would start with image1.jpg displayed, then at 0:37 it
would
> >> switch to image2.jpg and at 1:27 it would switch to image3.jpg.  I can
> >> think of a few cool bells and whistles to add to that.
> >>
> >> Does such a thing exist?
> >>
> >> Another idea would be to have the program read in that info and create a
> >> video file (e.g., MP4) that plays the audio and shows the images at the
> >> designated times.
> >>
> >> It is important to be able to use this on all common OSs like Windows,
OS
> >> X and Linux.
> >>
> >> Any ideas?
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Mike
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>
> >
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> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 19:11:21 -0500
> From: "Troy A. Peterson" <troyapeterson at gmail.com>
> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] simple slideshow software idea - does it
> 	already	exist?
> Message-ID:
> 	<CAJkTfhh=59j4iLxEWHCripTkAc7B19oSsi1QK6tE4DhH_w17GQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> If we're talking about the same thing, I had a startup that did this type
> of video annotation several years ago.  Take a look at Popcorn.js.  Lmk if
> you want some insight from someone who's read all the docs.
> 
> Troy
> 
> On Friday, August 7, 2015, Kelly Williams <kellywilliams81 at gmail.com>
wrote:
> 
> > If you need help making a video let me know you can email what in the
> > video and I can help you..
> >
> > Kelly willaims
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Kelly Williams <kellywilliams81 at gmail.com
> > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','kellywilliams81 at gmail.com');>> wrote:
> >
> >> You can do that in Kdenlive.. What distro you using..
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com
> >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mbmiller%2Bl at gmail.com');>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> This is something I wish I had.  This program would take as input (1)
an
> >>> audio file, (2) a text file with a list of images, and times and it
would
> >>> then play the audio file while displaying the images at the listed
times.
> >>> The text input might look like this:
> >>>
> >>> 0:00 image1.jpg
> >>> 0:37 image2.jpg
> >>> 1:27 image3.jpg
> >>>
> >>> So the audio would start with image1.jpg displayed, then at 0:37 it
> >>> would switch to image2.jpg and at 1:27 it would switch to image3.jpg. 
I
> >>> can think of a few cool bells and whistles to add to that.
> >>>
> >>> Does such a thing exist?
> >>>
> >>> Another idea would be to have the program read in that info and create
a
> >>> video file (e.g., MP4) that plays the audio and shows the images at the
> >>> designated times.
> >>>
> >>> It is important to be able to use this on all common OSs like Windows,
> >>> OS X and Linux.
> >>>
> >>> Any ideas?
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> Mike
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tclug-list at mn-linux.org');>
> >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Sun Aug  9 01:08:45 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 01:08:45 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Got it working
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjt1s6C=mh8WtoHqM_x3NHqmnP62ti8jCf3O3jNTbOvuoQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjt1s6C=mh8WtoHqM_x3NHqmnP62ti8jCf3O3jNTbOvuoQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E053B21C-9106-4D43-9523-4C06E711B33C@cwis.biz>

Yeah, it?s a small cost ($5-$10?) and best to not skip it.

> On Aug 7, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I ordered a new motherboard (Supermicro) and am happy to
> say that things are working finally. 
> 
> Now I'm wondering if I should buy some thermal paste
> and apply that.  I removed the heat sink a number of 
> times when I was testing the previous configuration.
> 
> It's just running on the motherboard box so I have to put 
> it in the case.  I'm using a thumb drive to get it to boot 
> and still have to order an ssd.
> 
> The first time I tried it I didn't have to push the power button.
> I just flipped the switch on the power converter and the fan
> started spinning and so on.  The second time I had to push 
> the power button.  
> 
> -- 
> Brian
> Ebenezer Enterprises - So far G-d has helped us.
> http://webEbenezer.net <http://webebenezer.net/>
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From fholson at cohousing.org  Mon Aug 10 10:28:02 2015
From: fholson at cohousing.org (Fred H Olson)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 10:28:02 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1508101020510.23578@web02.tigertech.net>

>From the "About" section of this lists Info page
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

>The Twin Cities Linux Users Group is a group of Linux users in the
>Twin Cities (Minnesota) area. We have monthly meetings in which we
>discuss various topics releated to Linux. About every 4-5 months we
>have an InstallFest...

How often are TCLug meetings really held lately?

Fred

--
I support Bernie Sanders for President
Fred H. Olson  Minneapolis,MN 55411  USA        (near north Mpls)
     Email:        fholson at cohousing.org      612-588-9532
My Link Pg: http://fholson.cohousing.org         My org:
Communications for Justice -- Free, superior listserv's w/o ads


From fholson at cohousing.org  Mon Aug 10 10:20:35 2015
From: fholson at cohousing.org (Fred H Olson)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 10:20:35 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] simple slideshow software idea - does it already
	exist?
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1508101006050.23578@web02.tigertech.net>

On Fri Aug 7 Mike Miller mbmiller+l at gmail.com wrote:

>This is something I wish I had.  This program would take as input (1) an
>audio file, (2) a text file with a list of images, and times and it would
>then play the audio file while displaying the images at the listed times.
>The text input might look like this:
>
>0:00 image1.jpg
>0:37 image2.jpg
>1:27 image3.jpg
>
>So the audio would start with image1.jpg displayed, then at 0:37 it would
>switch to image2.jpg and at 1:27 it would switch to image3.jpg.  I can
>think of a few cool bells and whistles to add to that.
>
>Does such a thing exist?
>
>Another idea would be to have the program read in that info and create a
>video file (e.g., MP4) that plays the audio and shows the images at the
>designated times.
>
>It is important to be able to use this on all common OSs like Windows, OS
>X and Linux.
>
>Any ideas?

I'd be interested in something like this too - particularly if it
could be played back over the web.

A few years ago a Danish cousin presented a slide show at a family reunion.
I got the images and had made a recording of his narration (in English
the the description with the copy of the images was in Danish...)
intending to share it over the net.  I never found a very satisfactory
way to do this.  The described system would be great.

Tho I failed to capture the timing and the laser pointer...
I prefer the slideshow format over video because the quality of the images
is generally much better.

Fred (who subscribes in no mail mode so direct copy of replies appreciated)

--
I support Bernie Sanders for President
Fred H. Olson  Minneapolis,MN 55411  USA        (near north Mpls)
     Email:        fholson at cohousing.org      612-588-9532
My Link Pg: http://fholson.cohousing.org         My org:
Communications for Justice -- Free, superior listserv's w/o ads


From sdalano at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 10:57:44 2015
From: sdalano at gmail.com (Saul Alanis)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 10:57:44 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1508101020510.23578@web02.tigertech.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1508101020510.23578@web02.tigertech.net>
Message-ID: <CAPHnHUv0UZzATkY48qkNpBSKaKhnTSfuCHP_PsScRqi22kaC5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Fred-

I don't think the list has had an install fest for many years, or meetings
that I know of.

A few months back my employer (35w & 494) granted us meeting space, so I am
open to following up, if one is organized.

If that doesn't work, I suggested looking at the Wellstone Center
http://wellstonecenter.com/

I hear they serve food, have free parking and wifi...

Thanks,
SDA


On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Fred H Olson <fholson at cohousing.org>
wrote:

> From the "About" section of this lists Info page
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> >The Twin Cities Linux Users Group is a group of Linux users in the
> >Twin Cities (Minnesota) area. We have monthly meetings in which we
> >discuss various topics releated to Linux. About every 4-5 months we
> >have an InstallFest...
>
> How often are TCLug meetings really held lately?
>
> Fred
>
> --
> I support Bernie Sanders for President
> Fred H. Olson  Minneapolis,MN 55411  USA        (near north Mpls)
>      Email:        fholson at cohousing.org      612-588-9532
> My Link Pg: http://fholson.cohousing.org         My org:
> Communications for Justice -- Free, superior listserv's w/o ads
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From tompoe at meltel.net  Mon Aug 10 11:11:51 2015
From: tompoe at meltel.net (Tom)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 11:11:51 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] simple slideshow software idea - does it already
 exist?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1508101006050.23578@web02.tigertech.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1508101006050.23578@web02.tigertech.net>
Message-ID: <55C8CD47.6050401@meltel.net>

One interesting approach combines the best of photofilmstrip and 
OpenShot video editor:  Use photofilmstrip to create clip from images, 
then combine audio, video and images in OpenShot to create complete 
videoslideshow multimedia file.  The neat thing about photofilmstrip is 
the feature that graphically allows the addition of the "Burns" effect.  
OpenShot makes it really easy to add an image, then move down to the 
track line and extend the image over a period of seconds to minutes, to 
coordinate with an audio clip (which sits on its' own timeline).
Tom

On 08/10/2015 10:20 AM, Fred H Olson wrote:
> On Fri Aug 7 Mike Miller mbmiller+l at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This is something I wish I had.  This program would take as input (1) an
>> audio file, (2) a text file with a list of images, and times and it would
>> then play the audio file while displaying the images at the listed times.
>> The text input might look like this:
>>
>> 0:00 image1.jpg
>> 0:37 image2.jpg
>> 1:27 image3.jpg
>>
>> So the audio would start with image1.jpg displayed, then at 0:37 it would
>> switch to image2.jpg and at 1:27 it would switch to image3.jpg.  I can
>> think of a few cool bells and whistles to add to that.
>>
>> Does such a thing exist?
>>
>> Another idea would be to have the program read in that info and create a
>> video file (e.g., MP4) that plays the audio and shows the images at the
>> designated times.
>>
>> It is important to be able to use this on all common OSs like Windows, OS
>> X and Linux.
>>
>> Any ideas?
> I'd be interested in something like this too - particularly if it
> could be played back over the web.
>
> A few years ago a Danish cousin presented a slide show at a family reunion.
> I got the images and had made a recording of his narration (in English
> the the description with the copy of the images was in Danish...)
> intending to share it over the net.  I never found a very satisfactory
> way to do this.  The described system would be great.
>
> Tho I failed to capture the timing and the laser pointer...
> I prefer the slideshow format over video because the quality of the images
> is generally much better.
>
> Fred (who subscribes in no mail mode so direct copy of replies appreciated)
>
> --
> I support Bernie Sanders for President
> Fred H. Olson  Minneapolis,MN 55411  USA        (near north Mpls)
>       Email:        fholson at cohousing.org      612-588-9532
> My Link Pg: http://fholson.cohousing.org         My org:
> Communications for Justice -- Free, superior listserv's w/o ads
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>

-- 
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From cncole at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 10 14:57:04 2015
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 14:57:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?
In-Reply-To: <CAPHnHUv0UZzATkY48qkNpBSKaKhnTSfuCHP_PsScRqi22kaC5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1508101020510.23578@web02.tigertech.net>
 <CAPHnHUv0UZzATkY48qkNpBSKaKhnTSfuCHP_PsScRqi22kaC5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64D08E4641734773A18BB106B3981069@D830B>

The Wellstone Center is a political advocacy function.  Web site says they
charge for room rental and food.
 
Not appealing to me to advocate continuance that 80% of MN tax dollars go to
pay government admin staff while only 20% gets to schools, teachers, AFDC,
jobs, etc, as was basis for the tax (well-documented facts, not new.  eg,
any DFL request for tax increase is a salary increase request because of the
80% portion that their staff gets).
 
There are many other options, and many are actually free.
 
Chuck


  _____  

From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Saul Alanis
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 10:58 AM
To: TCLUG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?


Hi Fred- 

I don't think the list has had an install fest for many years, or meetings
that I know of.

A few months back my employer (35w & 494) granted us meeting space, so I am
open to following up, if one is organized.

If that doesn't work, I suggested looking at the Wellstone Center
http://wellstonecenter.com/ 

I hear they serve food, have free parking and wifi...

Thanks,
SDA


On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Fred H Olson <fholson at cohousing.org>
wrote:


>From the "About" section of this lists Info page
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

>The Twin Cities Linux Users Group is a group of Linux users in the
>Twin Cities (Minnesota) area. We have monthly meetings in which we
>discuss various topics releated to Linux. About every 4-5 months we
>have an InstallFest...

How often are TCLug meetings really held lately?

Fred

--
I support Bernie Sanders for President
Fred H. Olson  Minneapolis,MN 55411  USA        (near north Mpls)
     Email:        fholson at cohousing.org      612-588-9532
My Link Pg: http://fholson.cohousing.org         My org:
Communications for Justice -- Free, superior listserv's w/o ads

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



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From sethmiller.sm at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 15:22:02 2015
From: sethmiller.sm at gmail.com (Seth Miller)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 15:22:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?
In-Reply-To: <64D08E4641734773A18BB106B3981069@D830B>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1508101020510.23578@web02.tigertech.net>
 <CAPHnHUv0UZzATkY48qkNpBSKaKhnTSfuCHP_PsScRqi22kaC5Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <64D08E4641734773A18BB106B3981069@D830B>
Message-ID: <CAEueRAUaHyNxzeqH+Xuy0wsepgL0zT3U+epDaf5iBXizwwO+2g@mail.gmail.com>

Fred,

The group does meet on a monthly basis. You can check out the schedule at
http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound.

Seth Miller

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:

> The Wellstone Center is a political advocacy function.  Web site says they
> charge for room rental and food.
>
> Not appealing to me to advocate continuance that 80% of MN tax dollars go
> to pay government admin staff while only 20% gets to schools, teachers,
> AFDC, jobs, etc, as was basis for the tax (well-documented facts, not new.
> eg, any DFL request for tax increase is a salary increase request because
> of the 80% portion that their staff gets).
>
> There are many other options, and many are actually free.
>
> Chuck
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:
> tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] *On Behalf Of *Saul Alanis
> *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2015 10:58 AM
> *To:* TCLUG Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?
>
> Hi Fred-
>
> I don't think the list has had an install fest for many years, or meetings
> that I know of.
>
> A few months back my employer (35w & 494) granted us meeting space, so I
> am open to following up, if one is organized.
>
> If that doesn't work, I suggested looking at the Wellstone Center
> http://wellstonecenter.com/
>
> I hear they serve food, have free parking and wifi...
>
> Thanks,
> SDA
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Fred H Olson <fholson at cohousing.org>
> wrote:
>
>> From the "About" section of this lists Info page
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>> >The Twin Cities Linux Users Group is a group of Linux users in the
>> >Twin Cities (Minnesota) area. We have monthly meetings in which we
>> >discuss various topics releated to Linux. About every 4-5 months we
>> >have an InstallFest...
>>
>> How often are TCLug meetings really held lately?
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> --
>> I support Bernie Sanders for President
>> Fred H. Olson  Minneapolis,MN 55411  USA        (near north Mpls)
>>      Email:        fholson at cohousing.org      612-588-9532
>> My Link Pg: http://fholson.cohousing.org         My org:
>> Communications for Justice -- Free, superior listserv's w/o ads
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From cncole at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 10 15:33:00 2015
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 15:33:00 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?
In-Reply-To: <CAEueRAUaHyNxzeqH+Xuy0wsepgL0zT3U+epDaf5iBXizwwO+2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1508101020510.23578@web02.tigertech.net>
 <CAPHnHUv0UZzATkY48qkNpBSKaKhnTSfuCHP_PsScRqi22kaC5Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <64D08E4641734773A18BB106B3981069@D830B>
 <CAEueRAUaHyNxzeqH+Xuy0wsepgL0zT3U+epDaf5iBXizwwO+2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AF3A7609EADB4E579030AE474E7E390C@D830B>

That is not TCLUG but is a different Linux group that departed from TCLUG
long ago, but remains in contact.
 
There are several other Linux groups here that meet regularly.
 
TCLUG has not met for years.


  _____  

From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Seth Miller
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 3:22 PM
To: TCLUG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?


Fred, 

The group does meet on a monthly basis. You can check out the schedule at
http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound.

Seth Miller

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:



The Wellstone Center is a political advocacy function.  Web site says they
charge for room rental and food.
 
Not appealing to me to advocate continuance that 80% of MN tax dollars go to
pay government admin staff while only 20% gets to schools, teachers, AFDC,
jobs, etc, as was basis for the tax (well-documented facts, not new.  eg,
any DFL request for tax increase is a salary increase request because of the
80% portion that their staff gets).
 
There are many other options, and many are actually free.
 
Chuck


  _____  

From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Saul Alanis
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 10:58 AM
To: TCLUG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?


Hi Fred- 

I don't think the list has had an install fest for many years, or meetings
that I know of.

A few months back my employer (35w & 494) granted us meeting space, so I am
open to following up, if one is organized.

If that doesn't work, I suggested looking at the Wellstone Center
http://wellstonecenter.com/ 

I hear they serve food, have free parking and wifi...

Thanks,
SDA


On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Fred H Olson <fholson at cohousing.org>
wrote:


>From the "About" section of this lists Info page
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

>The Twin Cities Linux Users Group is a group of Linux users in the
>Twin Cities (Minnesota) area. We have monthly meetings in which we
>discuss various topics releated to Linux. About every 4-5 months we
>have an InstallFest...

How often are TCLug meetings really held lately?

Fred

--
I support Bernie Sanders for President
Fred H. Olson  Minneapolis,MN 55411  USA        (near north Mpls)
     Email:        fholson at cohousing.org      612-588-9532
My Link Pg: http://fholson.cohousing.org         My org:
Communications for Justice -- Free, superior listserv's w/o ads

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




_______________________________________________
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From sdalano at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 15:35:52 2015
From: sdalano at gmail.com (Saul Alanis)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 15:35:52 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?
In-Reply-To: <AF3A7609EADB4E579030AE474E7E390C@D830B>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1508101020510.23578@web02.tigertech.net>
 <CAPHnHUv0UZzATkY48qkNpBSKaKhnTSfuCHP_PsScRqi22kaC5Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <64D08E4641734773A18BB106B3981069@D830B>
 <CAEueRAUaHyNxzeqH+Xuy0wsepgL0zT3U+epDaf5iBXizwwO+2g@mail.gmail.com>
 <AF3A7609EADB4E579030AE474E7E390C@D830B>
Message-ID: <CAPHnHUsx1MHE2KEqCmiUhhMsF6A+hhaHHYw7dcD5YnZ44V_Tuw@mail.gmail.com>

My only knowledge about the Wellstone Center is that they donate profits to
feed and house people that need such help.

If you find that politically opposing to your views... [lost for words]

You didn't include the other venues you claim to be "free", so please share
them.

SDA

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:

> That is not TCLUG but is a different Linux group that departed from TCLUG
> long ago, but remains in contact.
>
> There are several other Linux groups here that meet regularly.
>
> TCLUG has not met for years.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:
> tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] *On Behalf Of *Seth Miller
> *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2015 3:22 PM
>
> *To:* TCLUG Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?
>
> Fred,
>
> The group does meet on a monthly basis. You can check out the schedule at
> http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound.
>
> Seth Miller
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> The Wellstone Center is a political advocacy function.  Web site says
>> they charge for room rental and food.
>>
>> Not appealing to me to advocate continuance that 80% of MN tax dollars go
>> to pay government admin staff while only 20% gets to schools, teachers,
>> AFDC, jobs, etc, as was basis for the tax (well-documented facts, not new.
>> eg, any DFL request for tax increase is a salary increase request because
>> of the 80% portion that their staff gets).
>>
>> There are many other options, and many are actually free.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:
>> tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] *On Behalf Of *Saul Alanis
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2015 10:58 AM
>> *To:* TCLUG Mailing List
>> *Subject:* Re: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?
>>
>> Hi Fred-
>>
>> I don't think the list has had an install fest for many years, or
>> meetings that I know of.
>>
>> A few months back my employer (35w & 494) granted us meeting space, so I
>> am open to following up, if one is organized.
>>
>> If that doesn't work, I suggested looking at the Wellstone Center
>> http://wellstonecenter.com/
>>
>> I hear they serve food, have free parking and wifi...
>>
>> Thanks,
>> SDA
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Fred H Olson <fholson at cohousing.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> From the "About" section of this lists Info page
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>> >The Twin Cities Linux Users Group is a group of Linux users in the
>>> >Twin Cities (Minnesota) area. We have monthly meetings in which we
>>> >discuss various topics releated to Linux. About every 4-5 months we
>>> >have an InstallFest...
>>>
>>> How often are TCLug meetings really held lately?
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
>>> --
>>> I support Bernie Sanders for President
>>> Fred H. Olson  Minneapolis,MN 55411  USA        (near north Mpls)
>>>      Email:        fholson at cohousing.org      612-588-9532
>>> My Link Pg: http://fholson.cohousing.org         My org:
>>> Communications for Justice -- Free, superior listserv's w/o ads
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From cncole at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 10 16:01:41 2015
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 16:01:41 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?
In-Reply-To: <CAPHnHUsx1MHE2KEqCmiUhhMsF6A+hhaHHYw7dcD5YnZ44V_Tuw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1508101020510.23578@web02.tigertech.net>
 <CAPHnHUv0UZzATkY48qkNpBSKaKhnTSfuCHP_PsScRqi22kaC5Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <64D08E4641734773A18BB106B3981069@D830B>
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From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Saul Alanis
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 3:36 PM
To: TCLUG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?


My only knowledge about the Wellstone Center is that they donate profits to
feed and house people that need such help. 
 
Not the only thing they do, and not the main thing they do.  
 
Non-political groups help people without campaigns. 

If you find that politically opposing to your views... [lost for words] 
 
I object to the political agenda, and making that their headline instead of
having a neutral "helping agenda" headline.

You didn't include the other venues you claim to be "free", so please share
them. 
 
Libraries and assorted "corporate sponsors" we have had for meetings over
the last 10+ years.  Check the archives.

SDA

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:



That is not TCLUG but is a different Linux group that departed from TCLUG
long ago, but remains in contact.
 
There are several other Linux groups here that meet regularly.
 
TCLUG has not met for years.


  _____  

From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Seth Miller
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 3:22 PM 

To: TCLUG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?


Fred, 

The group does meet on a monthly basis. You can check out the schedule at
http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound.

Seth Miller

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:



The Wellstone Center is a political advocacy function.  Web site says they
charge for room rental and food.
 
Not appealing to me to advocate continuance that 80% of MN tax dollars go to
pay government admin staff while only 20% gets to schools, teachers, AFDC,
jobs, etc, as was basis for the tax (well-documented facts, not new.  eg,
any DFL request for tax increase is a salary increase request because of the
80% portion that their staff gets).
 
There are many other options, and many are actually free.
 
Chuck


  _____  

From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Saul Alanis
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 10:58 AM
To: TCLUG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?


Hi Fred- 

I don't think the list has had an install fest for many years, or meetings
that I know of.

A few months back my employer (35w & 494) granted us meeting space, so I am
open to following up, if one is organized.

If that doesn't work, I suggested looking at the Wellstone Center
http://wellstonecenter.com/ 

I hear they serve food, have free parking and wifi...

Thanks,
SDA


On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Fred H Olson <fholson at cohousing.org>
wrote:


>From the "About" section of this lists Info page
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

>The Twin Cities Linux Users Group is a group of Linux users in the
>Twin Cities (Minnesota) area. We have monthly meetings in which we
>discuss various topics releated to Linux. About every 4-5 months we
>have an InstallFest...

How often are TCLug meetings really held lately?

Fred

--
I support Bernie Sanders for President
Fred H. Olson  Minneapolis,MN 55411  USA        (near north Mpls)
     Email:        fholson at cohousing.org      612-588-9532
My Link Pg: http://fholson.cohousing.org         My org:
Communications for Justice -- Free, superior listserv's w/o ads

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list





_______________________________________________
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tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




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From sdalano at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 16:50:19 2015
From: sdalano at gmail.com (Saul Alanis)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 16:50:19 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?
In-Reply-To: <F4508C3B4D234AE5A8E3E5C603F991EE@D830B>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1508101020510.23578@web02.tigertech.net>
 <CAPHnHUv0UZzATkY48qkNpBSKaKhnTSfuCHP_PsScRqi22kaC5Q@mail.gmail.com>
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I don't think we'll ever have an install fest as far as TCLUG is concerned
(non-politically charged opinion).

And I blame all of the non-Linux noise including personal political
aggressiveness on this list.

Just curious, do you look up your local librarian's political registration
or political corporate donations before checking out a book or at the
supermarket?

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:
> tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] *On Behalf Of *Saul Alanis
> *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2015 3:36 PM
> *To:* TCLUG Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?
>
> My only knowledge about the Wellstone Center is that they donate profits
> to feed and house people that need such help.
>
> Not the only thing they do, and not the main thing they do.
>
> Non-political groups help people without campaigns.
>
> If you find that politically opposing to your views... [lost for words]
>
> I object to the political agenda, and making that their headline instead
> of having a neutral "helping agenda" headline.
>
> You didn't include the other venues you claim to be "free", so please
> share them.
>
> Libraries and assorted "corporate sponsors" we have had for meetings over
> the last 10+ years.  Check the archives.
>
> SDA
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> That is not TCLUG but is a different Linux group that departed from TCLUG
>> long ago, but remains in contact.
>>
>> There are several other Linux groups here that meet regularly.
>>
>> TCLUG has not met for years.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:
>> tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] *On Behalf Of *Seth Miller
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2015 3:22 PM
>>
>> *To:* TCLUG Mailing List
>> *Subject:* Re: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?
>>
>> Fred,
>>
>> The group does meet on a monthly basis. You can check out the schedule at
>> http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound.
>>
>> Seth Miller
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> The Wellstone Center is a political advocacy function.  Web site says
>>> they charge for room rental and food.
>>>
>>> Not appealing to me to advocate continuance that 80% of MN tax dollars
>>> go to pay government admin staff while only 20% gets to schools, teachers,
>>> AFDC, jobs, etc, as was basis for the tax (well-documented facts, not new.
>>> eg, any DFL request for tax increase is a salary increase request because
>>> of the 80% portion that their staff gets).
>>>
>>> There are many other options, and many are actually free.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:
>>> tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] *On Behalf Of *Saul Alanis
>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2015 10:58 AM
>>> *To:* TCLUG Mailing List
>>> *Subject:* Re: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?
>>>
>>> Hi Fred-
>>>
>>> I don't think the list has had an install fest for many years, or
>>> meetings that I know of.
>>>
>>> A few months back my employer (35w & 494) granted us meeting space, so I
>>> am open to following up, if one is organized.
>>>
>>> If that doesn't work, I suggested looking at the Wellstone Center
>>> http://wellstonecenter.com/
>>>
>>> I hear they serve food, have free parking and wifi...
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> SDA
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Fred H Olson <fholson at cohousing.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From the "About" section of this lists Info page
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>
>>>> >The Twin Cities Linux Users Group is a group of Linux users in the
>>>> >Twin Cities (Minnesota) area. We have monthly meetings in which we
>>>> >discuss various topics releated to Linux. About every 4-5 months we
>>>> >have an InstallFest...
>>>>
>>>> How often are TCLug meetings really held lately?
>>>>
>>>> Fred
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> I support Bernie Sanders for President
>>>> Fred H. Olson  Minneapolis,MN 55411  USA        (near north Mpls)
>>>>      Email:        fholson at cohousing.org      612-588-9532
>>>> My Link Pg: http://fholson.cohousing.org         My org:
>>>> Communications for Justice -- Free, superior listserv's w/o ads
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 17:09:27 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?
In-Reply-To: <CAPHnHUtCbpEsoBH_1fi87dahR2LT9e-02j_g2mp43YY5dnTA2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1508101020510.23578@web02.tigertech.net>
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From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Saul Alanis
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 4:50 PM
To: TCLUG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?


I don't think we'll ever have an install fest as far as TCLUG is concerned
(non-politically charged opinion). 
 
Once, TCLUG things were common.
Penguins had a good facility and site.
 
 

And I blame all of the non-Linux noise including personal political
aggressiveness on this list. 
 
 You introduced the politics into this case and merely got a response
requesting non-political agendas and venues.
 
 
Chuck

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From: sdalano at gmail.com (Saul Alanis)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 17:42:10 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?
In-Reply-To: <A0E7BD2E06CD48DA8004FC760A2748E0@D830B>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1508101020510.23578@web02.tigertech.net>
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Chuck-

I thought about this for one second after I stopped laughing and want to
ask that you and I not continue the back and forth please.

To follow up on Seth's earlier e-mail, I just looked up the Penguins
Unbound August meeting and it looks very interesting.

Not to change the subject matter but I purchased a CCNA Cisco lab back a
few years that I no longer use. Is this considered networking devices or
does it not matter and it applies to home networking up to large switches
and routers?

http://freegeektwincities.org/about/donations/

Sincerely,
SDA

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:
> tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] *On Behalf Of *Saul Alanis
> *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2015 4:50 PM
> *To:* TCLUG Mailing List
> *Subject:* Re: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?
>
> I don't think we'll ever have an install fest as far as TCLUG is concerned
> (non-politically charged opinion).
>
> Once, TCLUG things were common.
> Penguins had a good facility and site.
>
>
>
> And I blame all of the non-Linux noise including personal political
> aggressiveness on this list.
>
>  You introduced the politics into this case and merely got a response
> requesting non-political agendas and venues.
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
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From cncole at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 10 19:02:28 2015
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 19:02:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?
In-Reply-To: <CAPHnHUvQNEJQQVFrOzyzhayJETCLXy9To1xZH9Rx-s4z6Hk3AQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1508101020510.23578@web02.tigertech.net>
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Message-ID: <63B2E94446EB48ACA90E5070E4449225@D830B>

Not continuing..


  _____  

From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Saul Alanis
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:42 PM
To: TCLUG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?


Chuck-

I thought about this for one second after I stopped laughing and want to ask
that you and I not continue the back and forth please.

To follow up on Seth's earlier e-mail, I just looked up the Penguins Unbound
August meeting and it looks very interesting.


Not to change the subject matter but I purchased a CCNA Cisco lab back a few
years that I no longer use. Is this considered networking devices or does it
not matter and it applies to home networking up to large switches and
routers?



http://freegeektwincities.org/about/donations/



Sincerely,
SDA

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:



 


  _____  

From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Saul Alanis
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 4:50 PM
To: TCLUG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?



I don't think we'll ever have an install fest as far as TCLUG is concerned
(non-politically charged opinion). 
 
Once, TCLUG things were common.
Penguins had a good facility and site.

 
 

And I blame all of the non-Linux noise including personal political
aggressiveness on this list. 
 
 You introduced the politics into this case and merely got a response
requesting non-political agendas and venues.
 
 
Chuck


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Mon Aug 10 19:58:23 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 19:58:23 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] simple slideshow software idea - does it already
	exist?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1508101006050.23578@web02.tigertech.net>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1508101006050.23578@web02.tigertech.net>
Message-ID: <C1F19684-18D5-4F73-909B-327979D0BAC9@cwis.biz>

Yep. I have two? one that uses JS and one that uses Flash.

Go to blog.d3photography.com <http://blog.d3photography.com/> and load one of the slideshows and you can see the flash version. IIRC if you don?t have flash or turn it off the JS will load.


?
Ryan

> On Aug 10, 2015, at 10:20 AM, Fred H Olson <fholson at cohousing.org> wrote:
> 
> On Fri Aug 7 Mike Miller mbmiller+l at gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> This is something I wish I had.  This program would take as input (1) an
>> audio file, (2) a text file with a list of images, and times and it would
>> then play the audio file while displaying the images at the listed times.
>> The text input might look like this:
>> 
>> 0:00 image1.jpg
>> 0:37 image2.jpg
>> 1:27 image3.jpg
>> 
>> So the audio would start with image1.jpg displayed, then at 0:37 it would
>> switch to image2.jpg and at 1:27 it would switch to image3.jpg.  I can
>> think of a few cool bells and whistles to add to that.
>> 
>> Does such a thing exist?
>> 
>> Another idea would be to have the program read in that info and create a
>> video file (e.g., MP4) that plays the audio and shows the images at the
>> designated times.
>> 
>> It is important to be able to use this on all common OSs like Windows, OS
>> X and Linux.
>> 
>> Any ideas?
> 
> I'd be interested in something like this too - particularly if it
> could be played back over the web.
> 
> A few years ago a Danish cousin presented a slide show at a family reunion.
> I got the images and had made a recording of his narration (in English
> the the description with the copy of the images was in Danish...)
> intending to share it over the net.  I never found a very satisfactory
> way to do this.  The described system would be great.
> 
> Tho I failed to capture the timing and the laser pointer...
> I prefer the slideshow format over video because the quality of the images
> is generally much better.
> 
> Fred (who subscribes in no mail mode so direct copy of replies appreciated)
> 
> --
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>     Email:        fholson at cohousing.org      612-588-9532
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Mon Aug 10 20:00:33 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 20:00:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?
In-Reply-To: <63B2E94446EB48ACA90E5070E4449225@D830B>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1508101020510.23578@web02.tigertech.net>
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Then stop responding.


> On Aug 10, 2015, at 7:02 PM, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Not continuing..
> 
>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Saul Alanis
>> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 5:42 PM
>> To: TCLUG Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?
>> 
>> Chuck-
>> 
>> I thought about this for one second after I stopped laughing and want to ask that you and I not continue the back and forth please.
>> 
>> To follow up on Seth's earlier e-mail, I just looked up the Penguins Unbound August meeting and it looks very interesting.
>> 
>> Not to change the subject matter but I purchased a CCNA Cisco lab back a few years that I no longer use. Is this considered networking devices or does it not matter and it applies to home networking up to large switches and routers?
>> 
>> http://freegeektwincities.org/about/donations/ <http://freegeektwincities.org/about/donations/>
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> SDA
>> 
>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net <mailto:cncole at earthlink.net>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> 
>>>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org>] On Behalf Of Saul Alanis
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 4:50 PM
>>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?
>>>> 
>>>> I don't think we'll ever have an install fest as far as TCLUG is concerned (non-politically charged opinion). 
>>>>  
>>>> Once, TCLUG things were common.
>>>> Penguins had a good facility and site.
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> And I blame all of the non-Linux noise including personal political aggressiveness on this list. 
>>>>  
>>>>  You introduced the politics into this case and merely got a response requesting non-political agendas and venues.
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>>> 
>> 
> _______________________________________________
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From nassarmu at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 12:02:23 2015
From: nassarmu at gmail.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:02:23 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?
In-Reply-To: <CAPHnHUvQNEJQQVFrOzyzhayJETCLXy9To1xZH9Rx-s4z6Hk3AQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1508101020510.23578@web02.tigertech.net>
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You can donate any electronic item as long as it does not have a
refrigerant(A/C units, refrigerators, etc). FreeGeek does ask for a
small monetary donation when dropping off some items that cannot be
processed on site like CRTs and printers because there is a cost to
FreeGeek to dispose of those. BestBuy and Staples will take those from
homes at no cost. The same goes for items containing mercury like CFLs
and standard fluorescent bulbs(but fixtures are OK) and laptops are
definitely OK.

Actually, you can donate just about anything that can be recycled,
come to the meeting on Saturday to learn more about that!

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Saul Alanis <sdalano at gmail.com> wrote:
> Chuck-
>
> I thought about this for one second after I stopped laughing and want to ask
> that you and I not continue the back and forth please.
>
> To follow up on Seth's earlier e-mail, I just looked up the Penguins Unbound
> August meeting and it looks very interesting.
>
> Not to change the subject matter but I purchased a CCNA Cisco lab back a few
> years that I no longer use. Is this considered networking devices or does it
> not matter and it applies to home networking up to large switches and
> routers?
>
> http://freegeektwincities.org/about/donations/
>
> Sincerely,
> SDA
>
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
>> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Saul Alanis
>> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 4:50 PM
>> To: TCLUG Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug meetings?
>>
>> I don't think we'll ever have an install fest as far as TCLUG is concerned
>> (non-politically charged opinion).
>>
>> Once, TCLUG things were common.
>> Penguins had a good facility and site.
>>
>>
>>
>> And I blame all of the non-Linux noise including personal political
>> aggressiveness on this list.
>>
>>  You introduced the politics into this case and merely got a response
>> requesting non-political agendas and venues.
>>
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From o1bigtenor at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 22:35:51 2015
From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2015 22:35:51 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Poweredge server question
Message-ID: <CAPpdf58hd7F7CPq50Nc2d7AwHJ=qW5+OAkwX+FOCmXAb8hUbpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings

Managed to buy a Dell poweredge 2950II server.

What an odyssey to set up the bios!!!

I have 2 drives I got with the machine - - - they were part of a Raid 5
array.
Now there are only 2 drives (will never by a raid 5 array by definition)
and I need some way of formatting them so that I can turn them into a Raid
1 array. (Its all hardware raid on this box.)

Anyone with any idea on how to do that to scsi drives when the controller
won't let me change their settings and I have no other box to put them in.
(Connector is a wee bit different than for SATA!)

Dee
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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Mon Aug 17 18:11:24 2015
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 18:11:24 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: sort
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9CdiFJLcpscgy=JzXqCofQNWdanZEtH9Mch2mVJHL215A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9CdiFJLcpscgy=JzXqCofQNWdanZEtH9Mch2mVJHL215A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9DNR7+V7YFzO0rYX_R2U-aJEsniJWt92vnxTqxGGCQZjQ@mail.gmail.com>

any sort wizards here?  how would you sort numerically by the number
in the last(sixth) field:

 1618 2015-07-30Thu19:20:16 01e6 : 01e6 ,s/1
 1868 2015-08-13Thu05:09:27  1e6 : 1e6 ,s/10
 2800 2015-08-17Mon12:37:11 00e6 :ro 00e6 ,s/1000
 2750 2015-08-17Mon12:34:45 00e6 :ro 00e6 ,s/104
 2886 2015-08-13Thu05:46:47 00e6 : 00e6 ,s/11
 2515 2015-08-17Mon12:34:36 00e6 :ro 00e6 ,s/14
 1161 2014-11-13Thu06:19:06 10e6 : 10e6 ,s/2
 2686 2015-08-17Mon12:34:36 00e6 :ro 00e6 ,s/2
  974 2014-08-28Thu06:10:59 10e6 : 10e6 ,s/2
 2921 2015-08-17Mon12:55:08 32e6 : 32e6 ,s/8
 2899 2015-08-13Thu06:12:28 10e6 : 10e6 ,s/9

From gsker at skerbitz.org  Mon Aug 17 19:21:16 2015
From: gsker at skerbitz.org (gerry)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:21:16 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: sort
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sort -t/ -k+2 -n


On Mon, 17 Aug 2015, gregrwm wrote:

> any sort wizards here?  how would you sort numerically by the number
> in the last(sixth) field:
>
> 1618 2015-07-30Thu19:20:16 01e6 : 01e6 ,s/1
> 1868 2015-08-13Thu05:09:27  1e6 : 1e6 ,s/10
> 2800 2015-08-17Mon12:37:11 00e6 :ro 00e6 ,s/1000
> 2750 2015-08-17Mon12:34:45 00e6 :ro 00e6 ,s/104
> 2886 2015-08-13Thu05:46:47 00e6 : 00e6 ,s/11
> 2515 2015-08-17Mon12:34:36 00e6 :ro 00e6 ,s/14
> 1161 2014-11-13Thu06:19:06 10e6 : 10e6 ,s/2
> 2686 2015-08-17Mon12:34:36 00e6 :ro 00e6 ,s/2
>  974 2014-08-28Thu06:10:59 10e6 : 10e6 ,s/2
> 2921 2015-08-17Mon12:55:08 32e6 : 32e6 ,s/8
> 2899 2015-08-13Thu06:12:28 10e6 : 10e6 ,s/9
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Mon Aug 17 22:52:01 2015
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 22:52:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: sort
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9B3C48_wwGZVQK5DzX5dV0GOzD9kF1Xhx=-s0Cw3A-R2g@mail.gmail.com>

or
sort -t, -k2.3 -n
thanks!

> sort -t/ -k+2 -n

>> 1618 2015-07-30Thu19:20:16 01e6 : 01e6 ,s/1
>> 1868 2015-08-13Thu05:09:27  1e6 : 1e6 ,s/10
>> 2800 2015-08-17Mon12:37:11 00e6 :ro 00e6 ,s/1000
>> 2750 2015-08-17Mon12:34:45 00e6 :ro 00e6 ,s/104
>> 2886 2015-08-13Thu05:46:47 00e6 : 00e6 ,s/11
>> 2515 2015-08-17Mon12:34:36 00e6 :ro 00e6 ,s/14
>> 1161 2014-11-13Thu06:19:06 10e6 : 10e6 ,s/2
>> 2686 2015-08-17Mon12:34:36 00e6 :ro 00e6 ,s/2
>>  974 2014-08-28Thu06:10:59 10e6 : 10e6 ,s/2
>> 2921 2015-08-17Mon12:55:08 32e6 : 32e6 ,s/8
>> 2899 2015-08-13Thu06:12:28 10e6 : 10e6 ,s/9

From kc0iog at gmail.com  Tue Aug 18 10:28:48 2015
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 10:28:48 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Poweredge server question
In-Reply-To: <CAPpdf58hd7F7CPq50Nc2d7AwHJ=qW5+OAkwX+FOCmXAb8hUbpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPpdf58hd7F7CPq50Nc2d7AwHJ=qW5+OAkwX+FOCmXAb8hUbpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB3QoPm=Cu-jYiRdrfOfF82TXSTWnkAaS1sBd+zhD7mN4w80QA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 10:35 PM, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor at gmail.com> wrote:
> Greetings
>
> Managed to buy a Dell poweredge 2950II server.

Great servers.  They all support Intel VT for 64 bit virtualization.

> What an odyssey to set up the bios!!!
> I have 2 drives I got with the machine - - - they were part of a Raid 5
> array.
> Now there are only 2 drives (will never by a raid 5 array by definition) and
> I need some way of formatting them so that I can turn them into a Raid 1
> array. (Its all hardware raid on this box.)
>
> Anyone with any idea on how to do that to scsi drives when the controller
> won't let me change their settings and I have no other box to put them in.
> (Connector is a wee bit different than for SATA!)

On a Dell 2950, you don't set up RAID in the BIOS.  As the server
boots, you should see a message about the RAID controller.  If you
have a PERC controller, you'll have the opportunity to press Ctrl-R to
get into the RAID controller.  If it's Adaptec, Ctrl-A.  I think all
of the 2950 have at least a PERC 6 but I could be wrong.

Once you're in the RAID utility, you'll have to wipe out the config of
the existing RAID.  You will likely have to import the foreign
configuration, then clear the foreign configuration before you can
build a RAID 1.

Hopefully that's enough info to get you into the interface and start
figuring out the RAID setup.  Google is your friend, the 2950s have
been around for some time and are very well documented.

Brian

From o1bigtenor at gmail.com  Tue Aug 18 10:46:13 2015
From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 10:46:13 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Poweredge server question
In-Reply-To: <CAB3QoPm=Cu-jYiRdrfOfF82TXSTWnkAaS1sBd+zhD7mN4w80QA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPpdf58hd7F7CPq50Nc2d7AwHJ=qW5+OAkwX+FOCmXAb8hUbpQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAPpdf5_cYUhY57e9eNJ=0Y=GNre79KksjanB_pxh+3gu364LxQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Brian Wall <kc0iog at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 10:35 PM, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Greetings
> >
> > Managed to buy a Dell poweredge 2950II server.
>
> Great servers.  They all support Intel VT for 64 bit virtualization.
>
> > What an odyssey to set up the bios!!!
> > I have 2 drives I got with the machine - - - they were part of a Raid 5
> > array.
> > Now there are only 2 drives (will never by a raid 5 array by definition)
> and
> > I need some way of formatting them so that I can turn them into a Raid 1
> > array. (Its all hardware raid on this box.)
> >
> > Anyone with any idea on how to do that to scsi drives when the controller
> > won't let me change their settings and I have no other box to put them
> in.
> > (Connector is a wee bit different than for SATA!)
>
> On a Dell 2950, you don't set up RAID in the BIOS.  As the server
> boots, you should see a message about the RAID controller.  If you
> have a PERC controller, you'll have the opportunity to press Ctrl-R to
> get into the RAID controller.  If it's Adaptec, Ctrl-A.  I think all
> of the 2950 have at least a PERC 6 but I could be wrong.
>

My box has PERC 5.

>
> Once you're in the RAID utility, you'll have to wipe out the config of
> the existing RAID.  You will likely have to import the foreign
> configuration, then clear the foreign configuration before you can
> build a RAID 1.
>

Actually just did an initialize and then things went the way I wanted.

>
> Hopefully that's enough info to get you into the interface and start
> figuring out the RAID setup.  Google is your friend, the 2950s have
> been around for some time and are very well documented.
>

One thing that was not clear was how to get things to start but I had been
told to use F2
and that did the trick and led to a successful setup.

You would think that how to do all this would be somewhat readily available,
not so. There are lots of questions from people that have (by their being
new
to the system and it not having been sold retail for at least a few years)
issues
with setting up things. Then the documentation that Dell provides is sort of
useless. Even the help files often refer to your user manual and that had
diddly squat useful in it!

Thanks for the help!!

Dee
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From jasonwright365 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 18 12:14:10 2015
From: jasonwright365 at gmail.com (Jason Wright)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 11:14:10 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Poweredge server question
In-Reply-To: <CAPpdf58hd7F7CPq50Nc2d7AwHJ=qW5+OAkwX+FOCmXAb8hUbpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPpdf58hd7F7CPq50Nc2d7AwHJ=qW5+OAkwX+FOCmXAb8hUbpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALc0MTdZ+ps14ny9UjeYu2dNitQsU+6euSk+EbSBKz=JC_WGqg@mail.gmail.com>

You may want to replace the battery on the RAID controller to ensure that
your configuration persists through power cycles. Just my $.02
On Aug 16, 2015 8:36 PM, "o1bigtenor" <o1bigtenor at gmail.com> wrote:

> Greetings
>
> Managed to buy a Dell poweredge 2950II server.
>
> What an odyssey to set up the bios!!!
>
> I have 2 drives I got with the machine - - - they were part of a Raid 5
> array.
> Now there are only 2 drives (will never by a raid 5 array by definition)
> and I need some way of formatting them so that I can turn them into a Raid
> 1 array. (Its all hardware raid on this box.)
>
> Anyone with any idea on how to do that to scsi drives when the controller
> won't let me change their settings and I have no other box to put them in.
> (Connector is a wee bit different than for SATA!)
>
> Dee
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
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From o1bigtenor at gmail.com  Tue Aug 18 22:18:49 2015
From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 22:18:49 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Poweredge server question
In-Reply-To: <CALc0MTdZ+ps14ny9UjeYu2dNitQsU+6euSk+EbSBKz=JC_WGqg@mail.gmail.com>
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Good idea!

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Jason Wright <jasonwright365 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> You may want to replace the battery on the RAID controller to ensure that
> your configuration persists through power cycles. Just my $.02
> On Aug 16, 2015 8:36 PM, "o1bigtenor" <o1bigtenor at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Greetings
>>
>> Managed to buy a Dell poweredge 2950II server.
>>
>> What an odyssey to set up the bios!!!
>>
>> I have 2 drives I got with the machine - - - they were part of a Raid 5
>> array.
>> Now there are only 2 drives (will never by a raid 5 array by definition)
>> and I need some way of formatting them so that I can turn them into a Raid
>> 1 array. (Its all hardware raid on this box.)
>>
>> Anyone with any idea on how to do that to scsi drives when the controller
>> won't let me change their settings and I have no other box to put them in.
>> (Connector is a wee bit different than for SATA!)
>>
>> Dee
>>
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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 19 21:45:07 2015
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 21:45:07 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Got it working
Message-ID: <CABWFOjsPDw-bLTw5uFS=VvK01R+fBq__Gd-dFanN7uZU0Aysig@mail.gmail.com>

Ryan Coleman writes:

>
> Yeah, it?s a small cost ($5-$10?) and best to not skip it.
>

I've got the paste now, but am being lazy and haven't used it yet.

There's a cable from the case that's labeled "hd audio" that I haven't
figured out where to plug it into the motherboard.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182819

Could someone help me with that?  Tia.

-- 
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
http://webEbenezer.net
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Thu Aug 20 08:27:12 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 08:27:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Got it working
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> On Aug 19, 2015, at 9:45 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ryan Coleman writes:
> 
> >
> > Yeah, it?s a small cost ($5-$10?) and best to not skip it.
> > 
> 
> I've got the paste now, but am being lazy and haven't used it yet.

You?re not running this computer right now, right? Not doing this and running the computer is being careless at this point. 

> There's a cable from the case that's labeled "hd audio" that I haven't 
> figured out where to plug it into the motherboard.
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182819 <http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182819>
> 
> Could someone help me with that?  Tia.

What does the manual for the mother board say?

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From o1bigtenor at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 19:45:32 2015
From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 19:45:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] On the hunt for information
Message-ID: <CAPpdf59PHdQNcj1cLH24ReskUgxkaKTiEOktqLb5cVHZCFekYg@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings

I am in need of learning how to setup Apache2, Postgresql, NFS at the same
time as I am setting up my NAS box running OpenMediaVault.

OMV looks very impressive but with these plugins (and on the sides) there
is a tremendous amount that needs to be setup and if its not right - - -
well let's just say things are interesting.

I have found over the years that man pages and tech docs for Linux, GNU and
the like are written for those that really do know what they are doing and
merely need a reminder to remember how to EXACTLY write something or set
that something up so that a desired result happens. Now to the rest of us
who  use these tools and have not spent years memorizing C, C++, C#,
Python, perl, sql are don't consider these our mother tongue the docs are
most often less than useful and too many times less than comprehensible
(one of the biggest lacks is examples of good and bad usage of commands). I
have learnt my way around certain things and have almost gotten comfortable
doing things 'under the hood' but being faced with all of the first
paragraph (adding in remote server VirtualBox vms at the very least) is a
wee bit daunting. Have found official docs but these assume a lot and as
soon as there is something that doesn't work exactly as expected - - - well
- - - I'm supposed to know how to modify things (by osmosis I think!).

Does anyone out there have suggestion(s) on how to guides for setup,
modification and learning at least the first 3 listed?

I would be very grateful to find (have already spent many hours looking for
how to do things using duckduck) some straightforward guides. When I try to
look for something specific like Apache2.2 - - - well all too often its for
2.0 or 2.4 or its 8 years old and nothing in Debian 8 is even similar
(different file names for example).

I have been trying to keep a log enumerating what I am doing so that
hopefully my experiences will be useful for some for at least a short while.

TIA

Dee
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From kc0iog at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 21:54:45 2015
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 21:54:45 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] On the hunt for information
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On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 7:45 PM, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor at gmail.com> wrote:
> Greetings
>
> I am in need of learning how to setup Apache2, Postgresql, NFS at the same
> time as I am setting up my NAS box running OpenMediaVault.

> I have found over the years that man pages and tech docs for Linux, GNU and
> the like are written for those that really do know what they are doing and
> merely need a reminder to remember how to EXACTLY write something or set
> that something up so that a desired result happens.

> Does anyone out there have suggestion(s) on how to guides for setup,
> modification and learning at least the first 3 listed?

When in doubt, I search Youtube.  I'm amazed at how many great HOWTO
guides get posted on Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=openmediavault

> I would be very grateful to find (have already spent many hours looking for
> how to do things using duckduck) some straightforward guides. When I try to
> look for something specific like Apache2.2 - - - well all too often its for
> 2.0 or 2.4 or its 8 years old and nothing in Debian 8 is even similar
> (different file names for example).

Here's a decent article:
https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/apache/apache-web-server-debian-8

Sometimes you need to be more specific in your searches.  If you're
running a particular distro, search for that distro and version
specifically.

Good luck,
Brian

From o1bigtenor at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 06:33:20 2015
From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 06:33:20 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] On the hunt for information
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Morning

On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 9:54 PM, Brian Wall <kc0iog at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 7:45 PM, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Greetings
> >
> > I am in need of learning how to setup Apache2, Postgresql, NFS at the
> same
> > time as I am setting up my NAS box running OpenMediaVault.
>
> > I have found over the years that man pages and tech docs for Linux, GNU
> and
> > the like are written for those that really do know what they are doing
> and
> > merely need a reminder to remember how to EXACTLY write something or set
> > that something up so that a desired result happens.
>
> > Does anyone out there have suggestion(s) on how to guides for setup,
> > modification and learning at least the first 3 listed?
>
> When in doubt, I search Youtube.  I'm amazed at how many great HOWTO
> guides get posted on Youtube.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=openmediavault


My default has been text based because I'm a rural person. As I have
peasant internet
(just recently upgraded from a practical 1.75 Mb down 300Kb up) video has
been a hope
rather than a practicality.

Will do some looking there.

>
>
> > I would be very grateful to find (have already spent many hours looking
> for
> > how to do things using duckduck) some straightforward guides. When I try
> to
> > look for something specific like Apache2.2 - - - well all too often its
> for
> > 2.0 or 2.4 or its 8 years old and nothing in Debian 8 is even similar
> > (different file names for example).
>
> Here's a decent article:
> https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/apache/apache-web-server-debian-8
>
> Sometimes you need to be more specific in your searches.  If you're
> running a particular distro, search for that distro and version
> specifically.
>
> Thanks for the ideas!

Dee
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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 14:17:51 2015
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 14:17:51 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Got it working
Message-ID: <CABWFOjuB=3Py_U2o4O4yGFkumOQnU7SQ_bgyX+syOG=vsWaDkA@mail.gmail.com>

Ryan Coleman writes:

>
>You?re not running this computer right now, right? Not doing
> this and running the computer is being careless at this point.

I cleaned the old paste off of the chip and applied some new
paste and everything seems to still be fine.  I wasn't sure how
long to leave the box on it's side while the paste dried.  I only
gave it a few minutes before putting it back up on it's feet.

-- 
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - Be strong and let your heart take courage,
all you who hope in the L-rd.  Psalms 31:24

http://webEbenezer.net
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From cncole at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 25 14:54:15 2015
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 14:54:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Got it working
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The paste should not dry.  If so it is bad.


  _____  

From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Brian Wood
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 2:18 PM
To: tclug-list
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Got it working


Ryan Coleman writes:

>
>You?re not running this computer right now, right? Not doing 
> this and running the computer is being careless at this point.


I cleaned the old paste off of the chip and applied some new 
paste and everything seems to still be fine.  I wasn't sure how
long to leave the box on it's side while the paste dried.  I only
gave it a few minutes before putting it back up on it's feet.


-- 

Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - Be strong and let your heart take courage,
all you who hope in the L-rd.  Psalms 31:24


http://webEbenezer.net





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From cncole at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 25 15:56:53 2015
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 15:56:53 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] SD card in Android smartphones - sorta Linux related
In-Reply-To: <E13D68AB80434742B3BFB22074C03572@D830B>
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Erratic or intermittent flash card storage:
 
I bought two 32gb class 10 "house brand" microSD cards from Micro Center.
 
They test fine, and store anything but jpegs from the phone's camera with no
problems.  Doesn't seem to matter whether I format them in the phone or in
plugged into my PC's USB.  File checks, etc in the PC always are OK.
 
The camera in my Galaxy S2 would take pictures and display them, but I could
not send them of access them via USB from my PC.  They would soon become
impossible to display.  I could see file names and file sizes, but no
images.  I was told it was a problem with the card, but no test I ran, nor
substituting an identical card would change the behavior.  As said above,
other stuff including jpegs put on the card(s) via USB were OK and
long-lasting.  I think I had saved a few jpegs received in the phone as
attachments, and they were OK also.  Card and phone checks were all OK,
including backup and restore operations.
 
Changed to a Galaxy S5 and had the very same camera behavior on those cards.
Did the checks and backup/restore operations again and no improvement in
ability of the phone to take and store photos on the Micro Center cards.
 
Searched the web many times and consulted with Sprint tech support several
times.  Nothing seeming relevant on the web, and the not-so-bright tech
support folk online and in stores said the card is bad, but no test can find
a fault or fix a corrupted photo (even though file sizes etc seem OK).
 
Discovered that the Samsung Galaxy S5 can accept bigger microSD cards (128gb
max), so got a Samsung class 10 64gb microSDXC "EVO" card and populated it
from a backup of the smaller card.  The Samsung card seems to have no
problem with photos taken by the S5's camera, but cannot display older
corrupt photos from the S2's camera that were in the backup file and thus on
the new Samsung card.  Tests via my PC of the Samsung card show no problem
as was the case for the earlier cards.
 
Nothing I can find or do seems to show why the Samsung card is "better" and
OK.
 
Did I forget the spunkwater and magic words needed to use brand-X cards in a
Samsung Galaxy phone?
 
 
 
Chuck
 
 
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Wed Aug 26 14:38:05 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 14:38:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Got it working
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Message-ID: <31AEEC94-2CF3-40B6-A667-EB18B0DDC412@cwis.biz>

Agreed. Pressure alone will keep things proper. You want it to conduct the heat from the CPU to the dissipater and in order to do that it has to be remain ?not dry? (for lack of a better, saner, more logical term).


> On Aug 25, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> The paste should not dry.  If so it is bad.
> 
>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Brian Wood
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 2:18 PM
>> To: tclug-list
>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Got it working
>> 
>> Ryan Coleman writes:
>> 
>> >
>> >You?re not running this computer right now, right? Not doing 
>> > this and running the computer is being careless at this point.
>> 
>> I cleaned the old paste off of the chip and applied some new 
>> paste and everything seems to still be fine.  I wasn't sure how
>> long to leave the box on it's side while the paste dried.  I only
>> gave it a few minutes before putting it back up on it's feet.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Brian
>> Ebenezer Enterprises - Be strong and let your heart take courage,
>> all you who hope in the L-rd.  Psalms 31:24
>> 
>> http://webEbenezer.net <http://webebenezer.net/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
> _______________________________________________
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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Thu Aug 27 17:18:53 2015
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:18:53 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] t989 begging upgrade
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9D1V-PBbZbjgkeia35+KcA2ePTNEOO-OBmMJNdYkE2QDw@mail.gmail.com>

since firefox frequently grinds GINGERBREAD.UVLDG to a standstill, i want
to upgrade the OS on my galaxy sii sgh-t989.

i've tried both Benjamin-Dobell/Heimdall and jamiejackson/Heimdall, either
can examine the phone partitions, and both seem to go thru the motions of
flashing the recovery partition according to the linux end, but the phone
doesn't show any blue progress bar, instead shows "Firmware upgrade
encountered an issue" (clearable with "close-pc-screen").  i think my usb
cable is fine because adb push works and the pushed files' md5/sha1 are
fine.

so i guess my options are
  o  read into heimdall&fix it
  o  scour the house for that xp cd&install virtualbox/xp/odin
  o  find a root method that works via linux

the third option appeals, but the info i'm finding is a confusing array of
rather old or otherwise doubtable posts, not to mention nearly always
requiring windows.

thought i'd try posting here first.  any suggestions?
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From cncole at earthlink.net  Fri Aug 28 12:09:38 2015
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 12:09:38 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] t989 begging upgrade
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9D1V-PBbZbjgkeia35+KcA2ePTNEOO-OBmMJNdYkE2QDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9D1V-PBbZbjgkeia35+KcA2ePTNEOO-OBmMJNdYkE2QDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <17B7BB1D72C842BAB8F3DFCCA3A46F95@D830B>

I had to replace my S2 because it's Wimax calling technology is obsolete and
Sprint will de-commission all towers in October, going to an all 4G LTE
network.  Not sure how or whether that may affect your case, but my S2 had
developed high incidence of call dropouts and a few other idiosyncrasies.
 
Got an S5 used.  MUCH better basic specs than S2, newer bluetooth spec, etc,
and everything seems better.  No cost or plan impact with Sprint to
substitute hardware bought privately.
 
 


  _____  

From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of gregrwm
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 5:19 PM
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: [tclug-list] t989 begging upgrade


since firefox frequently grinds GINGERBREAD.UVLDG to a standstill, i want to
upgrade the OS on my galaxy sii sgh-t989.

i've tried both Benjamin-Dobell/Heimdall and jamiejackson/Heimdall, either
can examine the phone partitions, and both seem to go thru the motions of
flashing the recovery partition according to the linux end, but the phone
doesn't show any blue progress bar, instead shows "Firmware upgrade
encountered an issue" (clearable with "close-pc-screen").  i think my usb
cable is fine because adb push works and the pushed files' md5/sha1 are
fine.


so i guess my options are
  o  read into heimdall&fix it
  o  scour the house for that xp cd&install virtualbox/xp/odin

  o  find a root method that works via linux


the third option appeals, but the info i'm finding is a confusing array of
rather old or otherwise doubtable posts, not to mention nearly always
requiring windows.


thought i'd try posting here first.  any suggestions?


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From trillium at riseup.net  Fri Aug 28 23:07:21 2015
From: trillium at riseup.net (trillium)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 23:07:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Cryptoparty this Sunday in MPLS from 1-5PM at the TC
	Maker's Space
Message-ID: <8DBD6542-5DEF-4EC8-BE75-A69886B2A2E0@riseup.net>

Hey there everyone,

I thought you guys might be interested in this free public workshop that I?m helping put on this Sunday. Please come join us and help spread the word to anyone else that might want to attend. While we welcome everyone to attend, even if they only bring pen a notepad to write notes, we greatly encourage attendees to bring their phones, tablets, and laptops along so we can help them install and use encrypted platforms and test the platforms out with the other attendees. To this end, anyone caught trying to exploit other attendees devices without their explicit consent will be asked to leave.

August 30th is the date and The Hack Factory is the place. CryptopartyMN will be hosting our third cryptoparty from 1-5pm this Sunday. Our plan is to cover how to email, chat, and browse the web securely. We can also help you encrypt your hard drives and use tools to communicate securely with mobile devices. We have people familiar with Windows, Linux, OSX, Android, and iOS on hand to help you along the way.

This is a BYOB event and we will also have a limited amount of free keg beer brewed here in Minneapolis for those who are 21+ with valid ID.

Location:

The Hack Factory
3119 East 26th Street
Minneapolis, MN 55406
http://www.tcmaker.org <http://www.tcmaker.org/>

Date: Sunday, August 30, 2015 from 1:00 PM to 5:00 PM

CryptoParty (Crypto-Party) is a grassroots global endeavor to introduce the basics of practical cryptography such as the Tor anonymity network, PGP email encryption, hard drive full disk encryption and Off The Record (OTR) encrypted chat to the general public. The project
primarily consists of a series of free public workshops.

This will be CryptoParty Minnesota's third free public workshop, at which we expect to have roughly 10 presenters and 50 attendees.

https://www.cryptopartymn.com/ <https://www.cryptopartymn.com/>
https://www.cryptoparty.in/minneapolis <https://www.cryptoparty.in/minneapolis>
IRC: #cryptopartymn on OFTC.net <http://oftc.net/>
Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/cryptopartymn <https://www.twitter.com/cryptopartymn>

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From o1bigtenor at gmail.com  Sat Aug 29 05:38:25 2015
From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 05:38:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] computer questions
Message-ID: <CAPpdf593EsjadM+6kBo1z5-sHePcYrOC-3Ndqv5OX_=bG9n99Q@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings

I don't know what's going on but this is weird!

System has been running Debian 8 with things going good (raid mounts so
when saving a file after a reboot all I need to do is click on the listed
array give the root password and bob's your uncle).

(Its a uefi setup)
Well this morning - - -
fdisk -l shows the array
its not mounted

the command I used to use for mounting in Debian 7 no longer works

so - - - - any suggestions?

TIA

Dee
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From marc at e-skinner.net  Sat Aug 29 11:04:02 2015
From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:04:02 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] computer questions
In-Reply-To: <CAPpdf593EsjadM+6kBo1z5-sHePcYrOC-3Ndqv5OX_=bG9n99Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPpdf593EsjadM+6kBo1z5-sHePcYrOC-3Ndqv5OX_=bG9n99Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55E1D7F2.4060203@e-skinner.net>

Is this a hardware raid or software raid?  More details?  Is the raid 
array internal or externally connected?


Thanks.



On 08/29/2015 05:38 AM, o1bigtenor wrote:
> Greetings
>
> I don't know what's going on but this is weird!
>
> System has been running Debian 8 with things going good (raid mounts so
> when saving a file after a reboot all I need to do is click on the
> listed array give the root password and bob's your uncle).
>
> (Its a uefi setup)
> Well this morning - - -
> fdisk -l shows the array
> its not mounted
>
> the command I used to use for mounting in Debian 7 no longer works
>
> so - - - - any suggestions?
>
> TIA
>
> Dee
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From o1bigtenor at gmail.com  Sat Aug 29 11:41:58 2015
From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:41:58 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] computer questions
In-Reply-To: <55E1D7F2.4060203@e-skinner.net>
References: <CAPpdf593EsjadM+6kBo1z5-sHePcYrOC-3Ndqv5OX_=bG9n99Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <55E1D7F2.4060203@e-skinner.net>
Message-ID: <CAPpdf5_1h6WUPKXmWUMknftnaGtipkOyzE3gaS10E+Cut+u3AQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Marc Skinner <marc at e-skinner.net> wrote:

> Is this a hardware raid or software raid?  More details?  Is the raid
> array internal or externally connected?
>

software raid
internal

# cat /proc/mdstat
Personalities : [raid10]
md0 : active (auto-read-only) raid10 sde1[0] sdf1[1] sdc1[4] sdb1[3]
      1953518592 blocks super 1.2 512K chunks 2 near-copies [4/4] [UUUU]

# mdadm --examine --scan
ARRAY /dev/md/0  metadata=1.2 UUID=79baaa2f:0aa2b9fa:18e2ea6b:6e2846b3
name=debianbase:0

from blkid

/dev/md0: PTUUID="1eb47793-0cdf-4e16-ae84-33ec825ac448" PTTYPE="gpt"


from fdisk -l

Disk /dev/md0: 1.8 TiB, 2000403038208 bytes, 3907037184 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 524288 bytes / 1048576 bytes
Disklabel type: gpt
Disk identifier: 1EB47793-0CDF-4E16-AE84-33EC825AC448


>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
> On 08/29/2015 05:38 AM, o1bigtenor wrote:
>
>> Greetings
>>
>> I don't know what's going on but this is weird!
>>
>> System has been running Debian 8 with things going good (raid mounts so
>> when saving a file after a reboot all I need to do is click on the
>> listed array give the root password and bob's your uncle).
>>
>> (Its a uefi setup)
>> Well this morning - - -
>> fdisk -l shows the array
>> its not mounted
>>
>> the command I used to use for mounting in Debian 7 no longer works
>>
>> so - - - - any suggestions?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Dee
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From marc at e-skinner.net  Sat Aug 29 23:47:14 2015
From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2015 23:47:14 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] computer questions
In-Reply-To: <CAPpdf5_1h6WUPKXmWUMknftnaGtipkOyzE3gaS10E+Cut+u3AQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPpdf593EsjadM+6kBo1z5-sHePcYrOC-3Ndqv5OX_=bG9n99Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <55E1D7F2.4060203@e-skinner.net>
 <CAPpdf5_1h6WUPKXmWUMknftnaGtipkOyzE3gaS10E+Cut+u3AQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55E28AD2.3050707@e-skinner.net>

So what is the problem ... it won't mount?


Did you do an fsck on it? Assuming you had a filesystem that worked on 
it prior to your issue.








On 08/29/2015 11:41 AM, o1bigtenor wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Marc Skinner <marc at e-skinner.net
> <mailto:marc at e-skinner.net>> wrote:
>
>     Is this a hardware raid or software raid?  More details?  Is the
>     raid array internal or externally connected?
>
>
> software raid
> internal
>
> # cat /proc/mdstat
> Personalities : [raid10]
> md0 : active (auto-read-only) raid10 sde1[0] sdf1[1] sdc1[4] sdb1[3]
>        1953518592 blocks super 1.2 512K chunks 2 near-copies [4/4] [UUUU]
>
> # mdadm --examine --scan
> ARRAY /dev/md/0  metadata=1.2 UUID=79baaa2f:0aa2b9fa:18e2ea6b:6e2846b3
> name=debianbase:0
>
> from blkid
>
> /dev/md0: PTUUID="1eb47793-0cdf-4e16-ae84-33ec825ac448" PTTYPE="gpt"
>
>
> from fdisk -l
>
> Disk /dev/md0: 1.8 TiB, 2000403038208 bytes, 3907037184 sectors
> Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 524288 bytes / 1048576 bytes
> Disklabel type: gpt
> Disk identifier: 1EB47793-0CDF-4E16-AE84-33EC825AC448
>
>
>
>     Thanks.
>
>
>
>
>     On 08/29/2015 05:38 AM, o1bigtenor wrote:
>
>         Greetings
>
>         I don't know what's going on but this is weird!
>
>         System has been running Debian 8 with things going good (raid
>         mounts so
>         when saving a file after a reboot all I need to do is click on the
>         listed array give the root password and bob's your uncle).
>
>         (Its a uefi setup)
>         Well this morning - - -
>         fdisk -l shows the array
>         its not mounted
>
>         the command I used to use for mounting in Debian 7 no longer works
>
>         so - - - - any suggestions?
>
>         TIA
>
>         Dee
>
>
>
>         _______________________________________________
>         TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>         tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>         http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>     tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>     http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From o1bigtenor at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 06:25:16 2015
From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 06:25:16 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] computer questions
In-Reply-To: <55E28AD2.3050707@e-skinner.net>
References: <CAPpdf593EsjadM+6kBo1z5-sHePcYrOC-3Ndqv5OX_=bG9n99Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <55E1D7F2.4060203@e-skinner.net>
 <CAPpdf5_1h6WUPKXmWUMknftnaGtipkOyzE3gaS10E+Cut+u3AQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <55E28AD2.3050707@e-skinner.net>
Message-ID: <CAPpdf589aOM8CpFgHN0vag_00nuFQbd9NGWuNyrURQGfAOmSsA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Marc Skinner <marc at e-skinner.net> wrote:

> So what is the problem ... it won't mount?
>
>
> Did you do an fsck on it? Assuming you had a filesystem that worked on it
> prior to your issue.
>
>
>
> # fsck /dev/md0
fsck from util-linux 2.26.2
e2fsck 1.42.13 (17-May-2015)
ext2fs_open2: Bad magic number in super-block
fsck.ext2: Superblock invalid, trying backup blocks...
fsck.ext2: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/md0

The superblock could not be read or does not describe a valid ext2/ext3/ext4
filesystem.  If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2/ext3/ext4
filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock
is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock:
    e2fsck -b 8193 <device>
 or
    e2fsck -b 32768 <device>


Did some reading on fsck and there are warnings of data loss in using it to
repair.

As this is a data raid (with business data on it) data loss and corruption
is not
an option I want to pursue.

Any ideas on how to re-mount the array?

TIA

Dee
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From tompoe at meltel.net  Mon Aug 31 06:01:06 2015
From: tompoe at meltel.net (Tom)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 06:01:06 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ota signal snafu question
Message-ID: <55E433F2.9020601@meltel.net>

This weekend, antenna reception was weird.  By Monday morning, I got 
poor to nonexistent reception across the spectrum.  Interestingly, my 
channel 7 CBS is now channel 7 ABC. Has anyone noted any discussion 
about Minnesota tv farm changes taking place?
Tom

-- 
John Washington emigrated from England in 1656 to Colony of Virginia.
It's time George Washington is issued his Green Card.

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From rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 07:53:35 2015
From: rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com (rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 07:53:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ota signal snafu question
In-Reply-To: <55E433F2.9020601@meltel.net>
References: <55E433F2.9020601@meltel.net>
Message-ID: <55E44E4F.9000407@gmail.com>



On 08/31/2015 06:01 AM, Tom wrote:

> This weekend, antenna reception was weird.  By Monday morning, I got 
> poor to nonexistent reception across the spectrum.  Interestingly, my 
> channel 7 CBS is now channel 7 ABC.  Has anyone noted any discussion 
> about Minnesota tv farm changes taking place?
> Tom
> -- 
> John Washington emigrated from England in 1656 to Colony of Virginia.
> It's time George Washington is issued his Green Card.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

Somewhat OT, but I also noticed anomalies.  I consistently receive 
signals from 90 miles away.  However, yesterday I lost channels from the 
fringe but received several from 220 miles away.

This morning I noticed three misidentified channels. Misidentification 
happens occasionally.  Does rescanning correct you CBS and ABC displays?
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From tompoe at meltel.net  Mon Aug 31 08:18:00 2015
From: tompoe at meltel.net (Tom)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 08:18:00 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ota signal snafu question
In-Reply-To: <55E44E4F.9000407@gmail.com>
References: <55E433F2.9020601@meltel.net> <55E44E4F.9000407@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55E45408.8080108@meltel.net>

Hi, Rhubarbpieguy:  Nice to know I'm not alone.  I'm located in Eden 
Valley.  My OTA antenna is a DIY 8-bay with 9 1/2" whiskers, along with 
pre-amp setup.  Rescan has not corrected the issue.  Currently getting 
ABC out of Chicago where I expected CBS out of Minneapolis (72 miles).  
What antenna are you using?
Tom
P.S.  I am a big rhubarb pie fan as well.  :)

On 08/31/2015 07:53 AM, rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> On 08/31/2015 06:01 AM, Tom wrote:
>
>> This weekend, antenna reception was weird.  By Monday morning, I got 
>> poor to nonexistent reception across the spectrum.  Interestingly, my 
>> channel 7 CBS is now channel 7 ABC.  Has anyone noted any discussion 
>> about Minnesota tv farm changes taking place?
>> Tom
>> -- 
>> John Washington emigrated from England in 1656 to Colony of Virginia.
>> It's time George Washington is issued his Green Card.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> Somewhat OT, but I also noticed anomalies.  I consistently receive 
> signals from 90 miles away.  However, yesterday I lost channels from 
> the fringe but received several from 220 miles away.
>
> This morning I noticed three misidentified channels. Misidentification 
> happens occasionally.  Does rescanning correct you CBS and ABC displays?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

-- 
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From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com  Mon Aug 31 08:47:36 2015
From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (kelly)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 08:47:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ota signal snafu question
References: <55E433F2.9020601@meltel.net> <55E44E4F.9000407@gmail.com>
 <55E45408.8080108@meltel.net>
Message-ID: <55E45AF8-00096E9F@penguinpackets.com>

Could be this?:  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropospheric_propagation  

Kelly Black
KB0GBJ?  
>  Mon Aug 31 2015 08:18:00 AM CDT from "Tom" <tompoe at meltel.net>  Subject:
>Re: [tclug-list] ota signal snafu question
>
>        
>  Hi, Rhubarbpieguy:? Nice to know I'm not alone.? I'm located in Eden
>Valley.? My OTA antenna is a DIY 8-bay with 9 1/2" whiskers, along with
>pre-amp setup.? Rescan has not corrected the issue.? Currently getting ABC
>out of Chicago where I expected CBS out of Minneapolis (72 miles).? What
>antenna are you using?
> Tom
> P.S.? I am a big rhubarb pie fan as well.? :)
> 
>  On 08/31/2015 07:53 AM, rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com wrote:
>
>  
>>  
>> 
>> On 08/31/2015 06:01 AM, Tom wrote:
>> 
>>
>>  
>>>This weekend, antenna reception was weird.? By Monday morning, I got poor
>>>to nonexistent reception across the spectrum.? Interestingly, my channel 7
>>>CBS is now channel 7 ABC.? Has anyone noted any discussion about Minnesota
>>>tv farm changes taking place?
>>> Tom
>>>   --   John Washington emigrated from England in 1656 to Colony of
>>>Virginia.  It's time George Washington is issued his Green Card.    
>>>
>>>  _______________________________________________  TCLUG Mailing List -
>>>Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota  tclug-list at mn-linux.org 
>>>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list    

>>  
>> Somewhat OT, but I also noticed anomalies.? I consistently receive
>>signals from 90 miles away.? However, yesterday I lost channels from the
>>fringe but received several from 220 miles away.
>> 
>> This morning I noticed three misidentified channels.? Misidentification
>>happens occasionally.? Does rescanning correct you CBS and ABC displays?
>> 
>>
>>  _______________________________________________  TCLUG Mailing List -
>>Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota  tclug-list at mn-linux.org 
>>http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list    

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From tompoe at meltel.net  Mon Aug 31 09:12:57 2015
From: tompoe at meltel.net (Tom)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 09:12:57 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ota signal snafu question
In-Reply-To: <55E45AF8-00096E9F@penguinpackets.com>
References: <55E433F2.9020601@meltel.net> <55E44E4F.9000407@gmail.com>
 <55E45408.8080108@meltel.net> <55E45AF8-00096E9F@penguinpackets.com>
Message-ID: <55E460E9.6030900@meltel.net>

Yes, certainly.  In my situation, I would have expected to observe more 
of an "interference" phenomenon taking place.  At any rate, I did take 
advantage of the opportunity to file FCC complaint, in case there are 
shenanigans going on with the airwaves we own.  :)
Tom

On 08/31/2015 08:47 AM, kelly wrote:
>
> Could be this?:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropospheric_propagation
>
> Kelly Black
> KB0GBJ
>
>     Mon Aug 31 2015 08:18:00 AM CDT from "Tom" <tompoe at meltel.net>
>     Subject: Re: [tclug-list] ota signal snafu question
>     Hi, Rhubarbpieguy:  Nice to know I'm not alone.  I'm located in
>     Eden Valley.  My OTA antenna is a DIY 8-bay with 9 1/2" whiskers,
>     along with pre-amp setup.  Rescan has not corrected the issue.
>     Currently getting ABC out of Chicago where I expected CBS out of
>     Minneapolis (72 miles).  What antenna are you using?
>     Tom
>     P.S.  I am a big rhubarb pie fan as well.  :)
>
>     On 08/31/2015 07:53 AM, rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>         On 08/31/2015 06:01 AM, Tom wrote:
>
>             This weekend, antenna reception was weird.  By Monday
>             morning, I got poor to nonexistent reception across the
>             spectrum.  Interestingly, my channel 7 CBS is now channel
>             7 ABC.  Has anyone noted any discussion about Minnesota tv
>             farm changes taking place?
>             Tom
>
>             -- 
>             John Washington emigrated from England in 1656 to Colony of Virginia.
>             It's time George Washington is issued his Green Card.
>
>
>
>             _______________________________________________
>             TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>             tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>             http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>         Somewhat OT, but I also noticed anomalies.  I consistently
>         receive signals from 90 miles away. However, yesterday I lost
>         channels from the fringe but received several from 220 miles away.
>
>         This morning I noticed three misidentified channels. 
>         Misidentification happens occasionally. Does rescanning
>         correct you CBS and ABC displays?
>
>
>         _______________________________________________
>         TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>         tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>         http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>     -- 
>     John Washington emigrated from England in 1656 to Colony of Virginia.
>     It's time George Washington is issued his Green Card.
>
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 09:18:33 2015
From: rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com (rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 09:18:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] ota signal snafu question
In-Reply-To: <55E45408.8080108@meltel.net>
References: <55E433F2.9020601@meltel.net> <55E44E4F.9000407@gmail.com>
 <55E45408.8080108@meltel.net>
Message-ID: <55E46239.1040106@gmail.com>

On 08/31/2015 08:18 AM, Tom wrote:
> Hi, Rhubarbpieguy:  Nice to know I'm not alone. I'm located in Eden 
> Valley.  My OTA antenna is a DIY 8-bay with 9 1/2" whiskers, along 
> with pre-amp setup.  Rescan has not corrected the issue.  Currently 
> getting ABC out of Chicago where I expected CBS out of Minneapolis (72 
> miles).  What antenna are you using?
> Tom
> P.S.  I am a big rhubarb pie fan as well.  :)
>

I live in Sioux Falls, SD and use a DIY Gray-Hoverman DB4 design mounted 
in a corner window.  I commonly receive CBS (KMEG) and NBC (KTIV) from 
Sioux City.  However, over the weekend I lost Sioux City NBC but 
received ABC (KCAU).  However, I also received NBC (WOW) from Omaha.  
That's quite far for OTA.

Your Chicago reception surpasses mine from Omaha, which is surprising.  
If you're still receiving ABC from Chicago I would bet that will 
disappear soon.

In the early 90's I subscribed to subscription television to avoid 
ghosting and because NBC dropped baseball.  But I gladly dropped 
cable/satellite when DTV arrived as there's no longer ghosting.  I do 
miss ESPN baseball, but I subscribe to MLB audio and receive every game 
for $20/year.  I prefer listening over watching games anyway.

Unfortunately, rhubarb pie is a rarity in Sioux Falls.  When I lived in 
Minneapolis it could be found.  You can find strawberry/rhubarb pie, but 
diluting a perfectly good rhubarb pie with strawberry leaves me cold.


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From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 21:45:33 2015
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 21:45:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] fixing bad /boot in RAID1 (was "bad magic number")
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1210051503010.31634@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
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Despite all the help I had, way back in October 2012, I still never fixed 
that RAID1.  At this point I think I know what went wrong.  I would like 
to try to fix it so that I can upgrade the Ubuntu LTS version -- I'm still 
using 12.04.5 LTS.

See the output below from df, parted -l, /proc/mdstat and /etc/fstab. 
There is a /boot directory, but that is in the / partition.  The /boot 
partition is not mounted and it isn't in the RAID1.

I have been doing software updates, and kernels have been installed, but 
the only one I can boot from is the one I installed originally.  I assume 
that since the /boot partition isn't mounted, the dozen or so kernels I 
see are in the /boot directory in the / partition, and there are 341 MB of 
files in there now.

I'm hoping there is a way to get the appropriate files into the /boot 
partition, get that mounted, get rid of the /boot directory in the / 
partition and have the /boot partition mirrored on the two drives.

Is there hope?  Do any of you know how I should proceed?

Mike


$ df -HT
Filesystem     Type      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/md1       ext4      3.0T  296G  2.6T  11% /
udev           devtmpfs  8.4G   13k  8.4G   1% /dev
tmpfs          tmpfs     3.4G  906k  3.4G   1% /run
none           tmpfs     5.3M     0  5.3M   0% /run/lock
none           tmpfs     8.4G   52M  8.4G   1% /run/shm


$ sudo parted -l

Model: ATA ST3000DM001-9YN1 (scsi)
Disk /dev/sda: 3001GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/4096B
Partition Table: gpt

Number  Start   End     Size    File system  Name   Flags
  1      10.5MB  220MB   210MB                /boot  bios_grub
  2      220MB   34.6GB  34.4GB               swap   raid
  3      34.6GB  3000GB  2966GB               /      raid


Model: ATA ST3000DM001-9YN1 (scsi)
Disk /dev/sdb: 3001GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/4096B
Partition Table: gpt

Number  Start   End     Size    File system  Name   Flags
  1      10.5MB  220MB   210MB                /boot  bios_grub
  2      220MB   34.6GB  34.4GB               swap   raid
  3      34.6GB  3000GB  2966GB               /      raid


Model: Linux Software RAID Array (md)
Disk /dev/md0: 34.4GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/4096B
Partition Table: loop

Number  Start  End     Size    File system     Flags
  1      0.00B  34.4GB  34.4GB  linux-swap(v1)


Model: Linux Software RAID Array (md)
Disk /dev/md1: 2966GB
Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/4096B
Partition Table: loop

Number  Start  End     Size    File system  Flags
  1      0.00B  2966GB  2966GB  ext4



$ cat /proc/mdstat
Personalities : [linear] [multipath] [raid0] [raid1] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] [raid10]
md1 : active raid1 sda3[0] sdb3[1]
       2896392511 blocks super 1.2 [2/2] [UU]

md0 : active raid1 sda2[0] sdb2[1]
       33553336 blocks super 1.2 [2/2] [UU]

unused devices: <none>



# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a
# device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices
# that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5).
#
# <file system> <mount point>   <type>  <options>       <dump>  <pass>
proc            /proc           proc    nodev,noexec,nosuid 0       0
# / was on /dev/md1 during installation
UUID=f8a6d38d-3dd0-465e-b622-1cffdde52c1b /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1
# swap was on /dev/md0 during installation
UUID=f8be4924-e4a8-20ba-f284-3a90581a5322 none            swap    sw              0       0



On Fri, 5 Oct 2012, Mike Miller wrote:

> On Fri, 5 Oct 2012, ron at ron-l-j.com wrote:
>
>> The first thing I would try is booting into a shell and running fsck on
>> your boot disk.
>> Reboot the machine and press e in the grub screen for edit.
>> Go to the kernel line and press e to edit that line.
>> Then add to the kernel line
>> 
>> init=/bin/bash
>> 
>> when you boot you go straight to the shell.
>> then do a file system check on your boot drive
>> fsck -t ext3 /dev/sdax
>> t is for file system type in this case ext3
>> and the x in sdax is your partition number.
>> sda is for sata drives, if you have an ide drive use hdax
>> 
>> Most of the time its a file system error and was very common when I was
>> doing raid arrays in my advanced linux classes. Bad super block is also
>> common.
>> If you are still having troubles run fsck from a live cd/usb. But you will
>> have to run the cd in live mode, mount the offending drive, and chroot
>> into the drive.
>> As a last resort you can update-grub from the live cd after you have
>> chroot'ed into you installed environment.
>> Let me know what you encounter.
>
>
> Thanks, Ron.  (I'm cc'ing you in case you are doing digests only and want to 
> see this before the digest comes in.)
>
> Did you see that I was able to boot up to the window manager login prompt 
> using an earlier version of the kernel?  Can I just take it from there?
>
> My impression right now is that the problem was caused by my failure to 
> reboot for weeks after installing some packages that required rebooting. Then 
> I installed 400 more packages before rebooting.  Is that possibly the cause 
> of my troubles?  Could it be that I just need to fix the packages and reboot?
>
> The other issue is that I have a RAID1, so mirrored drives, and I think that 
> means I don't want to fsck them one at a time.  df shows this:
>
> $ sudo df -HT
> Filesystem     Type      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
> /dev/md1       ext4      3.0T  220G  2.6T   8% /
> udev           devtmpfs  8.4G   13k  8.4G   1% /dev
> tmpfs          tmpfs     3.4G  832k  3.4G   1% /run
> none           tmpfs     5.3M     0  5.3M   0% /run/lock
> none           tmpfs     8.4G  148k  8.4G   1% /run/shm
>
> Does that mean I would fsck /dev/md1?
>
> Thanks again.  I really appreciate your taking the time to reply.
>
> (One thing I've learned -- I should run package-manager daily and try to 
> reboot soon when it is required.  I often have a lot of stuff running that I 
> don't want to kill, so reboots are a hassle.)
>
> Mike
>