From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sun Feb  1 05:48:18 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 05:48:18 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Using a video camera with linux:
Message-ID: <BAY168-W100D6B595B006BDFF45AA8E993F0@phx.gbl>

Hi, I recently found a camera in the garbage can while I was searching for my dinner. I am wondering if anyone else has experience with cameras running on the Linux operating system? Currently I am interested in the report as found here by the link provided: --> http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/762058-how-to-operate-your-spycams-with-zoneminder-on-linux-part-1-

Thank you for your unbridled time.

paul g 

Gobble Gobble, happy new year ? 		 	   		  
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sun Feb  1 06:20:25 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 06:20:25 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Add Apache User to the Video Group?
Message-ID: <BAY168-W1781E8A16F9C2F384D92A7993F0@phx.gbl>

How can I do this when on any 3.+ kernel there is no video group listed?

If I open gui user settings within the desky top,  ya I can see 'video' group but no 'video' group shows up under /dev yet.

Gobble Gobble. 

paul g


 		 	   		  
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From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  1 09:47:15 2015
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 15:47:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
Message-ID: <1354428760.505724.1422805635699.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Still having problems with my Comcast Internet service. Now it looks like my U14.10 Thinkpad 410 connection (wire or w-less) won't do ssh (no route to host), won't give me most web pages, but, amazingly, will connect with gmail, YouTube, and Wikipedia. Also, I can do software updates and synaptic. My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness.?
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Sun Feb  1 10:32:04 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 10:32:04 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
In-Reply-To: <1354428760.505724.1422805635699.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1354428760.505724.1422805635699.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AF023904-F5E9-4174-BEF0-C1262D63C813@cwis.biz>

>  My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness. 
So it?s your laptop not Comcast.

It?s amazing who quickly people blame their ISP when only one device on the network has issues.

I suspect something is RFU with your firewall (UFW).

> On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Still having problems with my Comcast Internet service. Now it looks like my U14.10 Thinkpad 410 connection (wire or w-less) won't do ssh (no route to host), won't give me most web pages, but, amazingly, will connect with gmail, YouTube, and Wikipedia. Also, I can do software updates and synaptic. My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness. 
> 
> LB
> Grand Marais (in spirit)
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Sun Feb  1 10:34:09 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 10:34:09 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Add Apache User to the Video Group?
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W1781E8A16F9C2F384D92A7993F0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W1781E8A16F9C2F384D92A7993F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1FB6982F-55CD-41D9-A8E1-7E0EC5DBCA73@cwis.biz>

I use webmin for my basic user management (but I don?t use a GUI).
I don?t ever remember seeing usergroups in /dev/ so it must be an idiosyncrasies with your choice of platform.

> On Feb 1, 2015, at 6:20 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> How can I do this when on any 3.+ kernel there is no video group listed?
> 
> If I open gui user settings within the desky top,  ya I can see 'video' group but no 'video' group shows up under /dev yet.
> 
> Gobble Gobble. 
> 
> paul g
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Sun Feb  1 10:34:53 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 10:34:53 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Using a video camera with linux:
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W100D6B595B006BDFF45AA8E993F0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W100D6B595B006BDFF45AA8E993F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BBF5D4AA-5206-4B88-8E73-830DC1AE3120@cwis.biz>

YMMV who made the camera? 



> On Feb 1, 2015, at 5:48 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I recently found a camera in the garbage can while I was searching for my dinner. I am wondering if anyone else has experience with cameras running on the Linux operating system? Currently I am interested in the report as found here by the link provided: --> http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/762058-how-to-operate-your-spycams-with-zoneminder-on-linux-part-1- <http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/762058-how-to-operate-your-spycams-with-zoneminder-on-linux-part-1->
> 
> Thank you for your unbridled time.
> 
> paul g 
> 
> Gobble Gobble, happy new year 
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
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From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  1 12:43:14 2015
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 18:43:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
In-Reply-To: <AF023904-F5E9-4174-BEF0-C1262D63C813@cwis.biz>
References: <AF023904-F5E9-4174-BEF0-C1262D63C813@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <1197694491.1786323.1422816194923.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

I want to blame Comcast because these problems on the T410 don't appear when I use it on any other Wifi connection (I'll test again to make sure) -- and they don't even happen when Comcast gave us a loaner modem a few weeks ago! The new box is a dual 2.4/5.0 GHZ, while the loaner box was just 2.4 GHZ. On the new (and previous) 2.4/5.0 box I can't get any Internet logging into the 2.4, and the 5.0 connection gives me the aforesaid weirdness. There has been sporadic weirdness with other things too: Android devices tend to act up occasionally; an older Kindle has trouble getting online. I also tested this with the T410 on a straight ethernet connection to the modem -- same problems. To make it even more confusing, I tried Win8.1 on the T410 -- and it worked just fine. So if my T410/U14.10 works elsewhere AND with a different Comcast modem, gosh, it must be some very weird clash with the 2.4/5.0 Comcast modem and my T410/U14.10. Also, my Thinkpad X201 used to have weirdness, but it settled down and seems to work now. That's another wrinkle to this, problems come and go. For a long time we'd get Internet AFTER we waited 10 minutes or so after Wifi login, sometimes even with ethernet. But again, like I say, my older T61/U14.10 works fine. The only explanation I can think of is that the Comcast 2.4/5.0 modem and U14.10's network software don't like each other when U14.10 is installed on my T410. Just for laughs, I should get a non-Debian Linux version or even BSD for my T410 and see what happens. 

     On Sunday, February 1, 2015 11:32 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
   
 

 
?My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness.?
So it?s your laptop not Comcast.
It?s amazing who quickly people blame their ISP when only one device on the network has issues.
I suspect something is RFU with your firewall (UFW).

On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:
Still having problems with my Comcast Internet service. Now it looks like my U14.10 Thinkpad 410 connection (wire or w-less) won't do ssh (no route to host), won't give me most web pages, but, amazingly, will connect with gmail, YouTube, and Wikipedia. Also, I can do software updates and synaptic. My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness.?
LBGrand Marais (in spirit)_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




 
   
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sun Feb  1 13:33:05 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 13:33:05 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Add Apache User to the Video Group?
In-Reply-To: <1FB6982F-55CD-41D9-A8E1-7E0EC5DBCA73@cwis.biz>
References: <BAY168-W1781E8A16F9C2F384D92A7993F0@phx.gbl>,
 <1FB6982F-55CD-41D9-A8E1-7E0EC5DBCA73@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W5290340C7369D7587ADE28993F0@phx.gbl>

The video group is displayed if I type cat /etc/groups in terminal on my machine. So if I install or activate Appache webserver my need would be to apparently usermod appache saned . I was looking under /dev and you are most likely correct that hardware is only listed in that folder. I don't know what to expect with Appache yet as my experience overall is very limited. 

gobble gobble

thanks, 

paul g

From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 10:34:09 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add Apache User to the Video Group?

I use webmin for my basic user management (but I don?t use a GUI).I don?t ever remember seeing usergroups in /dev/ so it must be an idiosyncrasies with your choice of platform.
On Feb 1, 2015, at 6:20 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:How can I do this when on any 3.+ kernel there is no video group listed?

If I open gui user settings within the desky top,  ya I can see 'video' group but no 'video' group shows up under /dev yet.

Gobble Gobble. 

paul g


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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Sun Feb  1 13:38:08 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 13:38:08 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Add Apache User to the Video Group?
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W5290340C7369D7587ADE28993F0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W1781E8A16F9C2F384D92A7993F0@phx.gbl> <,
 > <1FB6982F-55CD-41D9-A8E1-7E0EC5DBCA73@cwis.biz>
 <BAY168-W5290340C7369D7587ADE28993F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <76068638-3C7A-4D74-BD91-B467584D36E0@cwis.biz>

So it?s in a *FILE*.

Typically that?s how *nix operates.

Have you tried ?groupadd??

> On Feb 1, 2015, at 1:33 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The video group is displayed if I type cat /etc/groups in terminal on my machine. So if I install or activate Appache webserver my need would be to apparently usermod appache saned . I was looking under /dev and you are most likely correct that hardware is only listed in that folder. I don't know what to expect with Appache yet as my experience overall is very limited. 
> 
> gobble gobble
> 
> thanks, 
> 
> paul g
> 
> From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 10:34:09 -0600
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add Apache User to the Video Group?
> 
> I use webmin for my basic user management (but I don?t use a GUI).
> I don?t ever remember seeing usergroups in /dev/ so it must be an idiosyncrasies with your choice of platform.
> 
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 6:20 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com <mailto:pj.world at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> How can I do this when on any 3.+ kernel there is no video group listed?
> 
> If I open gui user settings within the desky top,  ya I can see 'video' group but no 'video' group shows up under /dev yet.
> 
> Gobble Gobble. 
> 
> paul g
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
> 
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From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  1 13:44:55 2015
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 19:44:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
In-Reply-To: <1197694491.1786323.1422816194923.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <AF023904-F5E9-4174-BEF0-C1262D63C813@cwis.biz>
 <1197694491.1786323.1422816194923.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1180823590.559271.1422819895732.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Looking at the modem admin page, I saw that the errant T410 was only listed as its MAC address. Also, it was not listed as DHCP but always listed with a "Reserved IP" of?172.16.0.145 --which will not allow itself to be changed, even when I repeatedly try to choose DHCP and save. On a hunch, I changed (Ubuntu/Gnome) in the "IPv4 Settings" tab from "Automatic (DHCP) to "Automatic (DHCP) addresses only". Now it works . . . after a whole weekend of hair-tearing-out! Can anyone tell me why it wants to default to (won't change from) "Reserve IP"? And what did my changing to ". . . addresses only" do exactly?
Thanks. 

     On Sunday, February 1, 2015 1:43 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:
   
 

 I want to blame Comcast because these problems on the T410 don't appear when I use it on any other Wifi connection (I'll test again to make sure) -- and they don't even happen when Comcast gave us a loaner modem a few weeks ago! The new box is a dual 2.4/5.0 GHZ, while the loaner box was just 2.4 GHZ. On the new (and previous) 2.4/5.0 box I can't get any Internet logging into the 2.4, and the 5.0 connection gives me the aforesaid weirdness. There has been sporadic weirdness with other things too: Android devices tend to act up occasionally; an older Kindle has trouble getting online. I also tested this with the T410 on a straight ethernet connection to the modem -- same problems. To make it even more confusing, I tried Win8.1 on the T410 -- and it worked just fine. So if my T410/U14.10 works elsewhere AND with a different Comcast modem, gosh, it must be some very weird clash with the 2.4/5.0 Comcast modem and my T410/U14.10. Also, my Thinkpad X201 used to have weirdness, but it settled down and seems to work now. That's another wrinkle to this, problems come and go. For a long time we'd get Internet AFTER we waited 10 minutes or so after Wifi login, sometimes even with ethernet. But again, like I say, my older T61/U14.10 works fine. The only explanation I can think of is that the Comcast 2.4/5.0 modem and U14.10's network software don't like each other when U14.10 is installed on my T410. Just for laughs, I should get a non-Debian Linux version or even BSD for my T410 and see what happens. 

     On Sunday, February 1, 2015 11:32 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
   
 

 
?My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness.?
So it?s your laptop not Comcast.
It?s amazing who quickly people blame their ISP when only one device on the network has issues.
I suspect something is RFU with your firewall (UFW).

On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:
Still having problems with my Comcast Internet service. Now it looks like my U14.10 Thinkpad 410 connection (wire or w-less) won't do ssh (no route to host), won't give me most web pages, but, amazingly, will connect with gmail, YouTube, and Wikipedia. Also, I can do software updates and synaptic. My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness.?
LBGrand Marais (in spirit)_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




 
    

 
   
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sun Feb  1 13:54:23 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 13:54:23 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Add Apache User to the Video Group?
In-Reply-To: <76068638-3C7A-4D74-BD91-B467584D36E0@cwis.biz>
References: <BAY168-W1781E8A16F9C2F384D92A7993F0@phx.gbl> <,,>
 <1FB6982F-55CD-41D9-A8E1-7E0EC5DBCA73@cwis.biz>,
 <BAY168-W5290340C7369D7587ADE28993F0@phx.gbl>,
 <76068638-3C7A-4D74-BD91-B467584D36E0@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W101748D23FE7DBC57508AAC993F0@phx.gbl>

I Have not tried groupadd yet I have only very limited experience with the 'usermod -G filename -a filename'  etc.  The Mate desktop is the desktop I have been using lately so it does actually have a nice gui user/group utility which I have used to add another user and a visitor account. I will have to research more about 'groupadd'.  So basically I would be adding Appache to the video group that's what it looks like so far on my end. Thank you for reminding me about the groupadd command I know it is similar to the usermod command but definitely not the same. I have used the usermod -G command to add or append existing groups to one another in the past but that is about as far as my experience goes. In the article I was reading they have the following line.

sudo adduser www-data video <--does www-data look like something that has to do with Apache to you?

gobble gobble 

Thanks for your time.

paul g,

From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 13:38:08 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add Apache User to the Video Group?

So it?s in a *FILE*.
Typically that?s how *nix operates.
Have you tried ?groupadd??
On Feb 1, 2015, at 1:33 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:The video group is displayed if I type cat /etc/groups in terminal on my machine. So if I install or activate Appache webserver my need would be to apparently usermod appache saned . I was looking under /dev and you are most likely correct that hardware is only listed in that folder. I don't know what to expect with Appache yet as my experience overall is very limited. 

gobble gobble

thanks, 

paul g

From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 10:34:09 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add Apache User to the Video Group?

I use webmin for my basic user management (but I don?t use a GUI).I don?t ever remember seeing usergroups in /dev/ so it must be an idiosyncrasies with your choice of platform.
On Feb 1, 2015, at 6:20 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:How can I do this when on any 3.+ kernel there is no video group listed?

If I open gui user settings within the desky top,  ya I can see 'video' group but no 'video' group shows up under /dev yet.

Gobble Gobble. 

paul g


_______________________________________________TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesotatclug-list at mn-linux.orghttp://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Sun Feb  1 14:00:29 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 14:00:29 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Add Apache User to the Video Group?
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W101748D23FE7DBC57508AAC993F0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W1781E8A16F9C2F384D92A7993F0@phx.gbl> <, ,
 > <1FB6982F-55CD-41D9-A8E1-7E0EC5DBCA73@cwis.biz> <,
 > <BAY168-W5290340C7369D7587ADE28993F0@phx.gbl> <,
 > <76068638-3C7A-4D74-BD91-B467584D36E0@cwis.biz>
 <BAY168-W101748D23FE7DBC57508AAC993F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C1FF007E-C102-4179-BC13-738D1D215A5B@cwis.biz>

Google is your friend.

?how do I add a group in linux??

HLMGTFY: http://bit.ly/1zKQPbq <http://bit.ly/1zKQPb>

We?re not a reference librarian - nor a search engine for you. Please use groupadd(8).

<~~ closes free support for the year.



> On Feb 1, 2015, at 1:54 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I Have not tried groupadd yet I have only very limited experience with the 'usermod -G filename -a filename'  etc.  The Mate desktop is the desktop I have been using lately so it does actually have a nice gui user/group utility which I have used to add another user and a visitor account. I will have to research more about 'groupadd'.  So basically I would be adding Appache to the video group that's what it looks like so far on my end. Thank you for reminding me about the groupadd command I know it is similar to the usermod command but definitely not the same. I have used the usermod -G command to add or append existing groups to one another in the past but that is about as far as my experience goes. In the article I was reading they have the following line.
> 
> sudo adduser www-data video <--does www-data look like something that has to do with Apache to you?
> 
> 
> gobble gobble 
> 
> Thanks for your time.
> 
> paul g,
> 
> From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz <mailto:ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>
> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 13:38:08 -0600
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add Apache User to the Video Group?
> 
> So it?s in a *FILE*.
> 
> Typically that?s how *nix operates.
> 
> Have you tried ?groupadd??
> 
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 1:33 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com <mailto:pj.world at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> The video group is displayed if I type cat /etc/groups in terminal on my machine. So if I install or activate Appache webserver my need would be to apparently usermod appache saned . I was looking under /dev and you are most likely correct that hardware is only listed in that folder. I don't know what to expect with Appache yet as my experience overall is very limited. 
> 
> gobble gobble
> 
> thanks, 
> 
> paul g
> 
> From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz <mailto:ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>
> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 10:34:09 -0600
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add Apache User to the Video Group?
> 
> I use webmin for my basic user management (but I don?t use a GUI).
> I don?t ever remember seeing usergroups in /dev/ so it must be an idiosyncrasies with your choice of platform.
> 
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 6:20 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com <mailto:pj.world at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> How can I do this when on any 3.+ kernel there is no video group listed?
> 
> If I open gui user settings within the desky top,  ya I can see 'video' group but no 'video' group shows up under /dev yet.
> 
> Gobble Gobble. 
> 
> paul g
> 
> 
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Sun Feb  1 14:01:02 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 14:01:02 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
In-Reply-To: <1180823590.559271.1422819895732.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <AF023904-F5E9-4174-BEF0-C1262D63C813@cwis.biz>
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Which model modem did they bring?

> On Feb 1, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Looking at the modem admin page, I saw that the errant T410 was only listed as its MAC address. Also, it was not listed as DHCP but always listed with a "Reserved IP" of 172.16.0.145 --which will not allow itself to be changed, even when I repeatedly try to choose DHCP and save. On a hunch, I changed (Ubuntu/Gnome) in the "IPv4 Settings" tab from "Automatic (DHCP) to "Automatic (DHCP) addresses only". Now it works . . . after a whole weekend of hair-tearing-out! Can anyone tell me why it wants to default to (won't change from) "Reserve IP"? And what did my changing to ". . . addresses only" do exactly?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> On Sunday, February 1, 2015 1:43 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I want to blame Comcast because these problems on the T410 don't appear when I use it on any other Wifi connection (I'll test again to make sure) -- and they don't even happen when Comcast gave us a loaner modem a few weeks ago! The new box is a dual 2.4/5.0 GHZ, while the loaner box was just 2.4 GHZ. On the new (and previous) 2.4/5.0 box I can't get any Internet logging into the 2.4, and the 5.0 connection gives me the aforesaid weirdness. There has been sporadic weirdness with other things too: Android devices tend to act up occasionally; an older Kindle has trouble getting online. I also tested this with the T410 on a straight ethernet connection to the modem -- same problems. To make it even more confusing, I tried Win8.1 on the T410 -- and it worked just fine. So if my T410/U14.10 works elsewhere AND with a different Comcast modem, gosh, it must be some very weird clash with the 2.4/5.0 Comcast modem and my T410/U14.10. Also, my Thinkpad X201 used to have weirdness, but it settled down and seems to work now. That's another wrinkle to this, problems come and go. For a long time we'd get Internet AFTER we waited 10 minutes or so after Wifi login, sometimes even with ethernet. But again, like I say, my older T61/U14.10 works fine. The only explanation I can think of is that the Comcast 2.4/5.0 modem and U14.10's network software don't like each other when U14.10 is installed on my T410. Just for laughs, I should get a non-Debian Linux version or even BSD for my T410 and see what happens.
> 
> 
> On Sunday, February 1, 2015 11:32 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
> 
> 
>>  My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness. 
> So it?s your laptop not Comcast.
> 
> It?s amazing who quickly people blame their ISP when only one device on the network has issues.
> 
> I suspect something is RFU with your firewall (UFW).
> 
>> On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com <mailto:galanolwe at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Still having problems with my Comcast Internet service. Now it looks like my U14.10 Thinkpad 410 connection (wire or w-less) won't do ssh (no route to host), won't give me most web pages, but, amazingly, will connect with gmail, YouTube, and Wikipedia. Also, I can do software updates and synaptic. My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness. 
>> 
>> LB
>> Grand Marais (in spirit)
>> _______________________________________________
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>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sun Feb  1 14:04:50 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 14:04:50 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Add Apache User to the Video Group? Case f593ju
 [Solved]
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Thank you for your support.



From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 14:00:29 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add Apache User to the Video Group?

Google is your friend.
?how do I add a group in linux??
HLMGTFY: http://bit.ly/1zKQPbq
We?re not a reference librarian - nor a search engine for you. Please use groupadd(8).
<~~ closes free support for the year.


On Feb 1, 2015, at 1:54 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:I Have not tried groupadd yet I have only very limited experience with the 'usermod -G filename -a filename'  etc.  The Mate desktop is the desktop I have been using lately so it does actually have a nice gui user/group utility which I have used to add another user and a visitor account. I will have to research more about 'groupadd'.  So basically I would be adding Appache to the video group that's what it looks like so far on my end. Thank you for reminding me about the groupadd command I know it is similar to the usermod command but definitely not the same. I have used the usermod -G command to add or append existing groups to one another in the past but that is about as far as my experience goes. In the article I was reading they have the following line.

sudo adduser www-data video <--does www-data look like something that has to do with Apache to you?

gobble gobble 

Thanks for your time.

paul g,

From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 13:38:08 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add Apache User to the Video Group?

So it?s in a *FILE*.
Typically that?s how *nix operates.
Have you tried ?groupadd??
On Feb 1, 2015, at 1:33 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:The video group is displayed if I type cat /etc/groups in terminal on my machine. So if I install or activate Appache webserver my need would be to apparently usermod appache saned . I was looking under /dev and you are most likely correct that hardware is only listed in that folder. I don't know what to expect with Appache yet as my experience overall is very limited. 

gobble gobble

thanks, 

paul g

From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 10:34:09 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Add Apache User to the Video Group?

I use webmin for my basic user management (but I don?t use a GUI).I don?t ever remember seeing usergroups in /dev/ so it must be an idiosyncrasies with your choice of platform.
On Feb 1, 2015, at 6:20 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:How can I do this when on any 3.+ kernel there is no video group listed?

If I open gui user settings within the desky top,  ya I can see 'video' group but no 'video' group shows up under /dev yet.

Gobble Gobble. 

paul g


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From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  1 14:13:18 2015
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 20:13:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
In-Reply-To: <9E9607D8-927B-4E60-BA52-3B03C03AC001@cwis.biz>
References: <9E9607D8-927B-4E60-BA52-3B03C03AC001@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <1710340584.577108.1422821598472.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Outside says Xfinity XB3. Admin page says:
Model: DPC3939Vendor: CiscoHardware Revision: 1.0Serial Number: 269815875Processor Speed: 447.28 MHzDRAM: 524288 MBFlash: 128 MB 

     On Sunday, February 1, 2015 3:01 PM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
   
 

 Which model modem did they bring?

On Feb 1, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:
Looking at the modem admin page, I saw that the errant T410 was only listed as its MAC address. Also, it was not listed as DHCP but always listed with a "Reserved IP" of?172.16.0.145 --which will not allow itself to be changed, even when I repeatedly try to choose DHCP and save. On a hunch, I changed (Ubuntu/Gnome) in the "IPv4 Settings" tab from "Automatic (DHCP) to "Automatic (DHCP) addresses only". Now it works . . . after a whole weekend of hair-tearing-out! Can anyone tell me why it wants to default to (won't change from) "Reserve IP"? And what did my changing to ". . . addresses only" do exactly?
Thanks. 

     On Sunday, February 1, 2015 1:43 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:
   
 

 I want to blame Comcast because these problems on the T410 don't appear when I use it on any other Wifi connection (I'll test again to make sure) -- and they don't even happen when Comcast gave us a loaner modem a few weeks ago! The new box is a dual 2.4/5.0 GHZ, while the loaner box was just 2.4 GHZ. On the new (and previous) 2.4/5.0 box I can't get any Internet logging into the 2.4, and the 5.0 connection gives me the aforesaid weirdness. There has been sporadic weirdness with other things too: Android devices tend to act up occasionally; an older Kindle has trouble getting online. I also tested this with the T410 on a straight ethernet connection to the modem -- same problems. To make it even more confusing, I tried Win8.1 on the T410 -- and it worked just fine. So if my T410/U14.10 works elsewhere AND with a different Comcast modem, gosh, it must be some very weird clash with the 2.4/5.0 Comcast modem and my T410/U14.10. Also, my Thinkpad X201 used to have weirdness, but it settled down and seems to work now. That's another wrinkle to this, problems come and go. For a long time we'd get Internet AFTER we waited 10 minutes or so after Wifi login, sometimes even with ethernet. But again, like I say, my older T61/U14.10 works fine. The only explanation I can think of is that the Comcast 2.4/5.0 modem and U14.10's network software don't like each other when U14.10 is installed on my T410. Just for laughs, I should get a non-Debian Linux version or even BSD for my T410 and see what happens. 

     On Sunday, February 1, 2015 11:32 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
   
 

 
?My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness.?
So it?s your laptop not Comcast.
It?s amazing who quickly people blame their ISP when only one device on the network has issues.
I suspect something is RFU with your firewall (UFW).

On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:
Still having problems with my Comcast Internet service. Now it looks like my U14.10 Thinkpad 410 connection (wire or w-less) won't do ssh (no route to host), won't give me most web pages, but, amazingly, will connect with gmail, YouTube, and Wikipedia. Also, I can do software updates and synaptic. My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness.?
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From sdalano at gmail.com  Sun Feb  1 14:25:52 2015
From: sdalano at gmail.com (Saul Alanis)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 14:25:52 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
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If you can find someone with a non Comcast issued modem I would suggest
testing that.

I went through 3 different xfinity crap modems resulting in the same BS
performance. This may not resolve your issue but worth a try. Make sure
that your connections are well tightened as well.
On Feb 1, 2015 2:19 PM, "Olwe Bottorff" <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Outside says Xfinity XB3. Admin page says:
>
> Model: DPC3939
> Vendor: Cisco
> Hardware Revision: 1.0
> Serial Number: 269815875
> Processor Speed: 447.28 MHz
> DRAM: 524288 MB
> Flash: 128 MB
>
>
>   On Sunday, February 1, 2015 3:01 PM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Which model modem did they bring?
>
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Looking at the modem admin page, I saw that the errant T410 was only
> listed as its MAC address. Also, it was not listed as DHCP but always
> listed with a "Reserved IP" of 172.16.0.145 --which will not allow itself
> to be changed, even when I repeatedly try to choose DHCP and save. On a
> hunch, I changed (Ubuntu/Gnome) in the "IPv4 Settings" tab from "Automatic
> (DHCP) to "Automatic (DHCP) addresses only". Now it works . . . after a
> whole weekend of hair-tearing-out! Can anyone tell me why it wants to
> default to (won't change from) "Reserve IP"? And what did my changing to ".
> . . addresses only" do exactly?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>   On Sunday, February 1, 2015 1:43 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I want to blame Comcast because these problems on the T410 don't appear
> when I use it on any other Wifi connection (I'll test again to make sure)
> -- and they don't even happen when Comcast gave us a loaner modem a few
> weeks ago! The new box is a dual 2.4/5.0 GHZ, while the loaner box was just
> 2.4 GHZ. On the new (and previous) 2.4/5.0 box I can't get any Internet
> logging into the 2.4, and the 5.0 connection gives me the aforesaid
> weirdness. There has been sporadic weirdness with other things too: Android
> devices tend to act up occasionally; an older Kindle has trouble getting
> online. I also tested this with the T410 on a straight ethernet connection
> to the modem -- same problems. To make it even more confusing, I tried
> Win8.1 on the T410 -- and it worked just fine. So if my T410/U14.10 works
> elsewhere AND with a different Comcast modem, gosh, it must be some very
> weird clash with the 2.4/5.0 Comcast modem and my T410/U14.10. Also, my
> Thinkpad X201 used to have weirdness, but it settled down and seems to work
> now. That's another wrinkle to this, problems come and go. For a long time
> we'd get Internet AFTER we waited 10 minutes or so after Wifi login,
> sometimes even with ethernet. But again, like I say, my older T61/U14.10
> works fine. The only explanation I can think of is that the Comcast 2.4/5.0
> modem and U14.10's network software don't like each other when U14.10 is
> installed on my T410. Just for laughs, I should get a non-Debian Linux
> version or even BSD for my T410 and see what happens.
>
>
>   On Sunday, February 1, 2015 11:32 AM, Ryan Coleman <
> ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
>
>
>
>  My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness.
>
> So it?s your laptop not Comcast.
>
> It?s amazing who quickly people blame their ISP when only one device on
> the network has issues.
>
> I suspect something is RFU with your firewall (UFW).
>
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Still having problems with my Comcast Internet service. Now it looks like
> my U14.10 Thinkpad 410 connection (wire or w-less) won't do ssh (no route
> to host), won't give me most web pages, but, amazingly, will connect with
> gmail, YouTube, and Wikipedia. Also, I can do software updates and
> synaptic. My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness.
>
> LB
> Grand Marais (in spirit)
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From sdalano at gmail.com  Sun Feb  1 14:17:27 2015
From: sdalano at gmail.com (Saul Alanis)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 14:17:27 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
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I've had many problems whilst using Comcast equipment. It got to the point
where I had a Hotspot in case I had to work from home.

I later learned about that whole BS which other Comcast customers could
connect to my access point, and that's where I drew the line to a point.

I bought a used modern off Craigslist and my performance problems where
dissolved. I had the Comcast technicians out which said they need to be
present during the issue, but when you call technical support all they can
do is reset your modem :(

Sorry this is more of a rant than anything else.

I really hope for alternative service providers in Dakota County. I guess
since not enough people are willing to speak up we'll always be undeserved
for the services we pay with our hard earned money.
On Feb 1, 2015 2:01 PM, "Ryan Coleman" <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:

> Which model modem did they bring?
>
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Looking at the modem admin page, I saw that the errant T410 was only
> listed as its MAC address. Also, it was not listed as DHCP but always
> listed with a "Reserved IP" of 172.16.0.145 --which will not allow itself
> to be changed, even when I repeatedly try to choose DHCP and save. On a
> hunch, I changed (Ubuntu/Gnome) in the "IPv4 Settings" tab from "Automatic
> (DHCP) to "Automatic (DHCP) addresses only". Now it works . . . after a
> whole weekend of hair-tearing-out! Can anyone tell me why it wants to
> default to (won't change from) "Reserve IP"? And what did my changing to ".
> . . addresses only" do exactly?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>   On Sunday, February 1, 2015 1:43 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I want to blame Comcast because these problems on the T410 don't appear
> when I use it on any other Wifi connection (I'll test again to make sure)
> -- and they don't even happen when Comcast gave us a loaner modem a few
> weeks ago! The new box is a dual 2.4/5.0 GHZ, while the loaner box was just
> 2.4 GHZ. On the new (and previous) 2.4/5.0 box I can't get any Internet
> logging into the 2.4, and the 5.0 connection gives me the aforesaid
> weirdness. There has been sporadic weirdness with other things too: Android
> devices tend to act up occasionally; an older Kindle has trouble getting
> online. I also tested this with the T410 on a straight ethernet connection
> to the modem -- same problems. To make it even more confusing, I tried
> Win8.1 on the T410 -- and it worked just fine. So if my T410/U14.10 works
> elsewhere AND with a different Comcast modem, gosh, it must be some very
> weird clash with the 2.4/5.0 Comcast modem and my T410/U14.10. Also, my
> Thinkpad X201 used to have weirdness, but it settled down and seems to work
> now. That's another wrinkle to this, problems come and go. For a long time
> we'd get Internet AFTER we waited 10 minutes or so after Wifi login,
> sometimes even with ethernet. But again, like I say, my older T61/U14.10
> works fine. The only explanation I can think of is that the Comcast 2.4/5.0
> modem and U14.10's network software don't like each other when U14.10 is
> installed on my T410. Just for laughs, I should get a non-Debian Linux
> version or even BSD for my T410 and see what happens.
>
>
>   On Sunday, February 1, 2015 11:32 AM, Ryan Coleman <
> ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
>
>
>
>  My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness.
>
> So it?s your laptop not Comcast.
>
> It?s amazing who quickly people blame their ISP when only one device on
> the network has issues.
>
> I suspect something is RFU with your firewall (UFW).
>
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Still having problems with my Comcast Internet service. Now it looks like
> my U14.10 Thinkpad 410 connection (wire or w-less) won't do ssh (no route
> to host), won't give me most web pages, but, amazingly, will connect with
> gmail, YouTube, and Wikipedia. Also, I can do software updates and
> synaptic. My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness.
>
> LB
> Grand Marais (in spirit)
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  1 14:52:32 2015
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 20:52:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
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Good to hear I'm not insane, Sam. Apparently, I have to edit the connection every time to "DHCP addresses only." But why is my T410 the only device that the XB3 thinks should have a "Reserve IP"? 

     On Sunday, February 1, 2015 3:17 PM, Saul Alanis <sdalano at gmail.com> wrote:
   
 

 I've had many problems whilst using Comcast equipment. It got to the point where I had a Hotspot in case I had to work from home. I later learned about that whole BS which other Comcast customers could connect to my access point, and that's where I drew the line to a point. I bought a used modern off Craigslist and my performance problems where dissolved. I had the Comcast technicians out which said they need to be present during the issue, but when you call technical support all they can do is reset your modem :(Sorry this is more of a rant than anything else.I really hope for alternative service providers in Dakota County. I guess since not enough people are willing to speak up we'll always be undeserved for the services we pay with our hard earned money. On Feb 1, 2015 2:01 PM, "Ryan Coleman" <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:

Which model modem did they bring?

On Feb 1, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:
Looking at the modem admin page, I saw that the errant T410 was only listed as its MAC address. Also, it was not listed as DHCP but always listed with a "Reserved IP" of?172.16.0.145 --which will not allow itself to be changed, even when I repeatedly try to choose DHCP and save. On a hunch, I changed (Ubuntu/Gnome) in the "IPv4 Settings" tab from "Automatic (DHCP) to "Automatic (DHCP) addresses only". Now it works . . . after a whole weekend of hair-tearing-out! Can anyone tell me why it wants to default to (won't change from) "Reserve IP"? And what did my changing to ". . . addresses only" do exactly?
Thanks. 

     On Sunday, February 1, 2015 1:43 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:
   
 

 I want to blame Comcast because these problems on the T410 don't appear when I use it on any other Wifi connection (I'll test again to make sure) -- and they don't even happen when Comcast gave us a loaner modem a few weeks ago! The new box is a dual 2.4/5.0 GHZ, while the loaner box was just 2.4 GHZ. On the new (and previous) 2.4/5.0 box I can't get any Internet logging into the 2.4, and the 5.0 connection gives me the aforesaid weirdness. There has been sporadic weirdness with other things too: Android devices tend to act up occasionally; an older Kindle has trouble getting online. I also tested this with the T410 on a straight ethernet connection to the modem -- same problems. To make it even more confusing, I tried Win8.1 on the T410 -- and it worked just fine. So if my T410/U14.10 works elsewhere AND with a different Comcast modem, gosh, it must be some very weird clash with the 2.4/5.0 Comcast modem and my T410/U14.10. Also, my Thinkpad X201 used to have weirdness, but it settled down and seems to work now. That's another wrinkle to this, problems come and go. For a long time we'd get Internet AFTER we waited 10 minutes or so after Wifi login, sometimes even with ethernet. But again, like I say, my older T61/U14.10 works fine. The only explanation I can think of is that the Comcast 2.4/5.0 modem and U14.10's network software don't like each other when U14.10 is installed on my T410. Just for laughs, I should get a non-Debian Linux version or even BSD for my T410 and see what happens. 

     On Sunday, February 1, 2015 11:32 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
   
 

 
?My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness.?
So it?s your laptop not Comcast.
It?s amazing who quickly people blame their ISP when only one device on the network has issues.
I suspect something is RFU with your firewall (UFW).

On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:
Still having problems with my Comcast Internet service. Now it looks like my U14.10 Thinkpad 410 connection (wire or w-less) won't do ssh (no route to host), won't give me most web pages, but, amazingly, will connect with gmail, YouTube, and Wikipedia. Also, I can do software updates and synaptic. My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness.?
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Sun Feb  1 17:09:52 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 17:09:52 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
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> On Feb 1, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Saul Alanis <sdalano at gmail.com> wrote:
> I later learned about that whole BS which other Comcast customers could connect to my access point, and that's where I drew the line to a point.
> 
No, they couldn?t. I?m afraid you?ve remembered the wrong end of the setup being BS. Trust me - I use the xfinity_wifi SSIDs all the time. It?s a private pipe, you cannot talk to others? but they could sniff your traffic and you theirs. That?s the problem with unsecured Wi-Fi.

The part that is BS is that you have to PAY for the electricity at no discount in service. It doesn?t take away from your internet connection speed - just draws off your power bill. But you should also have a line-item discount on your serbice for hosting this extra configuration.
You could have turned it off easily.
> I bought a used modern off Craigslist and my performance problems where dissolved. I had the Comcast technicians out which said they need to be present during the issue, but when you call technical support all they can do is reset your modem :(
> 
This doesn?t surprise me. The only hardware Comcast has ever supplied that was worth the price (of free) is the business class equipment. And the customer service? Holy cow it makes a difference.
> Sorry this is more of a rant than anything else.
> 
> I really hope for alternative service providers in Dakota County. I guess since not enough people are willing to speak up we'll always be undeserved for the services we pay with our hard earned money.
> 
That?s not how contracts and bidding works? What you need to do is convince a commissioner who needs to reach out to other providers. If they want competition you will end up paying for it in property taxes because the county will be footing the bill to get the prices lower? Wonderful, right?


> On Feb 1, 2015 2:01 PM, "Ryan Coleman" <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz <mailto:ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>> wrote:
> Which model modem did they bring?
> 
>> On Feb 1, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com <mailto:galanolwe at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Looking at the modem admin page, I saw that the errant T410 was only listed as its MAC address. Also, it was not listed as DHCP but always listed with a "Reserved IP" of 172.16.0.145 --which will not allow itself to be changed, even when I repeatedly try to choose DHCP and save. On a hunch, I changed (Ubuntu/Gnome) in the "IPv4 Settings" tab from "Automatic (DHCP) to "Automatic (DHCP) addresses only". Now it works . . . after a whole weekend of hair-tearing-out! Can anyone tell me why it wants to default to (won't change from) "Reserve IP"? And what did my changing to ". . . addresses only" do exactly?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, February 1, 2015 1:43 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com <mailto:galanolwe at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I want to blame Comcast because these problems on the T410 don't appear when I use it on any other Wifi connection (I'll test again to make sure) -- and they don't even happen when Comcast gave us a loaner modem a few weeks ago! The new box is a dual 2.4/5.0 GHZ, while the loaner box was just 2.4 GHZ. On the new (and previous) 2.4/5.0 box I can't get any Internet logging into the 2.4, and the 5.0 connection gives me the aforesaid weirdness. There has been sporadic weirdness with other things too: Android devices tend to act up occasionally; an older Kindle has trouble getting online. I also tested this with the T410 on a straight ethernet connection to the modem -- same problems. To make it even more confusing, I tried Win8.1 on the T410 -- and it worked just fine. So if my T410/U14.10 works elsewhere AND with a different Comcast modem, gosh, it must be some very weird clash with the 2.4/5.0 Comcast modem and my T410/U14.10. Also, my Thinkpad X201 used to have weirdness, but it settled down and seems to work now. That's another wrinkle to this, problems come and go. For a long time we'd get Internet AFTER we waited 10 minutes or so after Wifi login, sometimes even with ethernet. But again, like I say, my older T61/U14.10 works fine. The only explanation I can think of is that the Comcast 2.4/5.0 modem and U14.10's network software don't like each other when U14.10 is installed on my T410. Just for laughs, I should get a non-Debian Linux version or even BSD for my T410 and see what happens.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, February 1, 2015 11:32 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz <mailto:ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>  My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness. 
>> So it?s your laptop not Comcast.
>> 
>> It?s amazing who quickly people blame their ISP when only one device on the network has issues.
>> 
>> I suspect something is RFU with your firewall (UFW).
>> 
>>> On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com <mailto:galanolwe at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Still having problems with my Comcast Internet service. Now it looks like my U14.10 Thinkpad 410 connection (wire or w-less) won't do ssh (no route to host), won't give me most web pages, but, amazingly, will connect with gmail, YouTube, and Wikipedia. Also, I can do software updates and synaptic. My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness. 
>>> 
>>> LB
>>> Grand Marais (in spirit)
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>> 
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From sdalano at gmail.com  Sun Feb  1 17:48:23 2015
From: sdalano at gmail.com (Saul Alanis)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 17:48:23 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
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Thanks, Ryan for the clarification on the xfinity wifi.
On Feb 1, 2015 5:10 PM, "Ryan Coleman" <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:

>
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Saul Alanis <sdalano at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I later learned about that whole BS which other Comcast customers could
> connect to my access point, and that's where I drew the line to a point.
>
> No, they couldn?t. I?m afraid you?ve remembered the wrong end of the setup
> being BS. Trust me - I use the xfinity_wifi SSIDs all the time. It?s a
> private pipe, you cannot talk to others? but they could sniff your traffic
> and you theirs. That?s the problem with unsecured Wi-Fi.
>
> The part that is BS is that you have to PAY for the electricity at no
> discount in service. It doesn?t take away from your internet connection
> speed - just draws off your power bill. But you should also have a
> line-item discount on your serbice for hosting this extra configuration.
> You could have turned it off easily.
>
> I bought a used modern off Craigslist and my performance problems where
> dissolved. I had the Comcast technicians out which said they need to be
> present during the issue, but when you call technical support all they can
> do is reset your modem :(
>
> This doesn?t surprise me. The only hardware Comcast has ever supplied that
> was worth the price (of free) is the business class equipment. And the
> customer service? Holy cow it makes a difference.
>
> Sorry this is more of a rant than anything else.
>
> I really hope for alternative service providers in Dakota County. I guess
> since not enough people are willing to speak up we'll always be undeserved
> for the services we pay with our hard earned money.
>
> That?s not how contracts and bidding works? What you need to do is
> convince a commissioner who needs to reach out to other providers. If they
> want competition you will end up paying for it in property taxes because
> the county will be footing the bill to get the prices lower? Wonderful,
> right?
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2015 2:01 PM, "Ryan Coleman" <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
>
>> Which model modem did they bring?
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Looking at the modem admin page, I saw that the errant T410 was only
>> listed as its MAC address. Also, it was not listed as DHCP but always
>> listed with a "Reserved IP" of 172.16.0.145 --which will not allow itself
>> to be changed, even when I repeatedly try to choose DHCP and save. On a
>> hunch, I changed (Ubuntu/Gnome) in the "IPv4 Settings" tab from "Automatic
>> (DHCP) to "Automatic (DHCP) addresses only". Now it works . . . after a
>> whole weekend of hair-tearing-out! Can anyone tell me why it wants to
>> default to (won't change from) "Reserve IP"? And what did my changing to ".
>> . . addresses only" do exactly?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>   On Sunday, February 1, 2015 1:43 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I want to blame Comcast because these problems on the T410 don't appear
>> when I use it on any other Wifi connection (I'll test again to make sure)
>> -- and they don't even happen when Comcast gave us a loaner modem a few
>> weeks ago! The new box is a dual 2.4/5.0 GHZ, while the loaner box was just
>> 2.4 GHZ. On the new (and previous) 2.4/5.0 box I can't get any Internet
>> logging into the 2.4, and the 5.0 connection gives me the aforesaid
>> weirdness. There has been sporadic weirdness with other things too: Android
>> devices tend to act up occasionally; an older Kindle has trouble getting
>> online. I also tested this with the T410 on a straight ethernet connection
>> to the modem -- same problems. To make it even more confusing, I tried
>> Win8.1 on the T410 -- and it worked just fine. So if my T410/U14.10 works
>> elsewhere AND with a different Comcast modem, gosh, it must be some very
>> weird clash with the 2.4/5.0 Comcast modem and my T410/U14.10. Also, my
>> Thinkpad X201 used to have weirdness, but it settled down and seems to work
>> now. That's another wrinkle to this, problems come and go. For a long time
>> we'd get Internet AFTER we waited 10 minutes or so after Wifi login,
>> sometimes even with ethernet. But again, like I say, my older T61/U14.10
>> works fine. The only explanation I can think of is that the Comcast 2.4/5.0
>> modem and U14.10's network software don't like each other when U14.10 is
>> installed on my T410. Just for laughs, I should get a non-Debian Linux
>> version or even BSD for my T410 and see what happens.
>>
>>
>>   On Sunday, February 1, 2015 11:32 AM, Ryan Coleman <
>> ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>  My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness.
>>
>> So it?s your laptop not Comcast.
>>
>> It?s amazing who quickly people blame their ISP when only one device on
>> the network has issues.
>>
>> I suspect something is RFU with your firewall (UFW).
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Still having problems with my Comcast Internet service. Now it looks like
>> my U14.10 Thinkpad 410 connection (wire or w-less) won't do ssh (no route
>> to host), won't give me most web pages, but, amazingly, will connect with
>> gmail, YouTube, and Wikipedia. Also, I can do software updates and
>> synaptic. My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness.
>>
>> LB
>> Grand Marais (in spirit)
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From jus at krytosvirus.com  Sun Feb  1 20:20:40 2015
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 20:20:40 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
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I can't imagine the electricity cost is really noteworthy, especially if nobody is actually using it but even if they are, still I doubt it's too significant. I'd personally be more concerned with the rf spectrum usage. If someone is using more of the 2.4ghz bandwidth that might affect my own 2.4 ghz usage, that then directly affects my experience, regardless of the cable side of the bandwidth.

Just my own opinion / $.02

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On Feb 1, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Saul Alanis <sdalano at gmail.com> wrote:
I later learned about that whole BS which other Comcast customers could connect to my access point, and that's where I drew the line to a point.

No, they couldn?t. I?m afraid you?ve remembered the wrong end of the setup being BS. Trust me - I use the xfinity_wifi SSIDs all the time. It?s a private pipe, you cannot talk to others? but they could sniff your traffic and you theirs. That?s the problem with unsecured Wi-Fi.

The part that is BS is that you have to PAY for the electricity at no discount in service. It doesn?t take away from your internet connection speed - just draws off your power bill. But you should also have a line-item discount on your serbice for hosting this extra configuration.
You could have turned it off easily.
I bought a used modern off Craigslist and my performance problems where dissolved. I had the Comcast technicians out which said they need to be present during the issue, but when you call technical support all they can do is reset your modem :(

This doesn?t surprise me. The only hardware Comcast has ever supplied that was worth the price (of free) is the business class equipment. And the customer service? Holy cow it makes a difference.
Sorry this is more of a rant than anything else.

I really hope for alternative service providers in Dakota County. I guess since not enough people are willing to speak up we'll always be undeserved for the services we pay with our hard earned money.

That?s not how contracts and bidding works? What you need to do is convince a commissioner who needs to reach out to other providers. If they want competition you will end up paying for it in property taxes because the county will be footing the bill to get the prices lower? Wonderful, right?


On Feb 1, 2015 2:01 PM, "Ryan Coleman" <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
Which model modem did they bring?

On Feb 1, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:

Looking at the modem admin page, I saw that the errant T410 was only listed as its MAC address. Also, it was not listed as DHCP but always listed with a "Reserved IP" of 172.16.0.145 --which will not allow itself to be changed, even when I repeatedly try to choose DHCP and save. On a hunch, I changed (Ubuntu/Gnome) in the "IPv4 Settings" tab from "Automatic (DHCP) to "Automatic (DHCP) addresses only". Now it works . . . after a whole weekend of hair-tearing-out! Can anyone tell me why it wants to default to (won't change from) "Reserve IP"? And what did my changing to ". . . addresses only" do exactly?

Thanks.


On Sunday, February 1, 2015 1:43 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:


I want to blame Comcast because these problems on the T410 don't appear when I use it on any other Wifi connection (I'll test again to make sure) -- and they don't even happen when Comcast gave us a loaner modem a few weeks ago! The new box is a dual 2.4/5.0 GHZ, while the loaner box was just 2.4 GHZ. On the new (and previous) 2.4/5.0 box I can't get any Internet logging into the 2.4, and the 5.0 connection gives me the aforesaid weirdness. There has been sporadic weirdness with other things too: Android devices tend to act up occasionally; an older Kindle has trouble getting online. I also tested this with the T410 on a straight ethernet connection to the modem -- same problems. To make it even more confusing, I tried Win8.1 on the T410 -- and it worked just fine. So if my T410/U14.10 works elsewhere AND with a different Comcast modem, gosh, it must be some very weird clash with the 2.4/5.0 Comcast modem and my T410/U14.10. Also, my Thinkpad X201 used to have weirdness, but it settled down and seems to work now. That's another wrinkle to this, problems come and go. For a long time we'd get Internet AFTER we waited 10 minutes or so after Wifi login, sometimes even with ethernet. But again, like I say, my older T61/U14.10 works fine. The only explanation I can think of is that the Comcast 2.4/5.0 modem and U14.10's network software don't like each other when U14.10 is installed on my T410. Just for laughs, I should get a non-Debian Linux version or even BSD for my T410 and see what happens.


On Sunday, February 1, 2015 11:32 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:


 My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness.
So it?s your laptop not Comcast.

It?s amazing who quickly people blame their ISP when only one device on the network has issues.

I suspect something is RFU with your firewall (UFW).

On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:

Still having problems with my Comcast Internet service. Now it looks like my U14.10 Thinkpad 410 connection (wire or w-less) won't do ssh (no route to host), won't give me most web pages, but, amazingly, will connect with gmail, YouTube, and Wikipedia. Also, I can do software updates and synaptic. My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness.

LB
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Sun Feb  1 20:59:14 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 20:59:14 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
In-Reply-To: <pf5ctkl5goulqia3k95wggc1.1422843638097@email.android.com>
References: <pf5ctkl5goulqia3k95wggc1.1422843638097@email.android.com>
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If you?re worried about it do a scan. Look where it is (1 6 or 11) and pick a different frequency.

Your RF concerns aren?t really that big, trust me, as you?re never going to push so much data over wifi that you need it. I?ve been designing, installing and configuring large-capacity private networks for years and residential usage (even by me - where my laptop does a lot of data and always on wifi) never comes close to utilizing the spectrum capabilities. Wi-Fi on it?s own is flawed, even beam-forming AC and N isn?t really full duplex - that?s not a spectrum issue but a design flaw. Some are better than others but most APs you would buy off the shelf don?t come with them. 

The best I?ve ever gotten off a 300Mbit link is about 110Mbit/sec (13MB/sec) and that was a dual-radio system (2 unique radios operating) going 75 feet over unobstructed space on 6GHz.
If you need speed Wi-Fi is not the way to go. If you need convenience and backup systems definitely.



> On Feb 1, 2015, at 8:20 PM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:
> 
> I can't imagine the electricity cost is really noteworthy, especially if nobody is actually using it but even if they are, still I doubt it's too significant. I'd personally be more concerned with the rf spectrum usage. If someone is using more of the 2.4ghz bandwidth that might affect my own 2.4 ghz usage, that then directly affects my experience, regardless of the cable side of the bandwidth.
> 
> Just my own opinion / $.02
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Ryan Coleman
> Date:02/01/2015 5:09 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: TCLUG Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
> 
> 
>> On Feb 1, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Saul Alanis <sdalano at gmail.com <mailto:sdalano at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> I later learned about that whole BS which other Comcast customers could connect to my access point, and that's where I drew the line to a point.
>> 
> No, they couldn?t. I?m afraid you?ve remembered the wrong end of the setup being BS. Trust me - I use the xfinity_wifi SSIDs all the time. It?s a private pipe, you cannot talk to others? but they could sniff your traffic and you theirs. That?s the problem with unsecured Wi-Fi.
> 
> The part that is BS is that you have to PAY for the electricity at no discount in service. It doesn?t take away from your internet connection speed - just draws off your power bill. But you should also have a line-item discount on your serbice for hosting this extra configuration.
> You could have turned it off easily.
>> I bought a used modern off Craigslist and my performance problems where dissolved. I had the Comcast technicians out which said they need to be present during the issue, but when you call technical support all they can do is reset your modem :(
>> 
> This doesn?t surprise me. The only hardware Comcast has ever supplied that was worth the price (of free) is the business class equipment. And the customer service? Holy cow it makes a difference.
>> Sorry this is more of a rant than anything else.
>> 
>> I really hope for alternative service providers in Dakota County. I guess since not enough people are willing to speak up we'll always be undeserved for the services we pay with our hard earned money.
>> 
> That?s not how contracts and bidding works? What you need to do is convince a commissioner who needs to reach out to other providers. If they want competition you will end up paying for it in property taxes because the county will be footing the bill to get the prices lower? Wonderful, right?
> 
> 
>> On Feb 1, 2015 2:01 PM, "Ryan Coleman" <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz <mailto:ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>> wrote:
>> Which model modem did they bring?
>> 
>>> On Feb 1, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com <mailto:galanolwe at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Looking at the modem admin page, I saw that the errant T410 was only listed as its MAC address. Also, it was not listed as DHCP but always listed with a "Reserved IP" of 172.16.0.145 --which will not allow itself to be changed, even when I repeatedly try to choose DHCP and save. On a hunch, I changed (Ubuntu/Gnome) in the "IPv4 Settings" tab from "Automatic (DHCP) to "Automatic (DHCP) addresses only". Now it works . . . after a whole weekend of hair-tearing-out! Can anyone tell me why it wants to default to (won't change from) "Reserve IP"? And what did my changing to ". . . addresses only" do exactly?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sunday, February 1, 2015 1:43 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com <mailto:galanolwe at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I want to blame Comcast because these problems on the T410 don't appear when I use it on any other Wifi connection (I'll test again to make sure) -- and they don't even happen when Comcast gave us a loaner modem a few weeks ago! The new box is a dual 2.4/5.0 GHZ, while the loaner box was just 2.4 GHZ. On the new (and previous) 2.4/5.0 box I can't get any Internet logging into the 2.4, and the 5.0 connection gives me the aforesaid weirdness. There has been sporadic weirdness with other things too: Android devices tend to act up occasionally; an older Kindle has trouble getting online. I also tested this with the T410 on a straight ethernet connection to the modem -- same problems. To make it even more confusing, I tried Win8.1 on the T410 -- and it worked just fine. So if my T410/U14.10 works elsewhere AND with a different Comcast modem, gosh, it must be some very weird clash with the 2.4/5.0 Comcast modem and my T410/U14.10. Also, my Thinkpad X201 used to have weirdness, but it settled down and seems to work now. That's another wrinkle to this, problems come and go. For a long time we'd get Internet AFTER we waited 10 minutes or so after Wifi login, sometimes even with ethernet. But again, like I say, my older T61/U14.10 works fine. The only explanation I can think of is that the Comcast 2.4/5.0 modem and U14.10's network software don't like each other when U14.10 is installed on my T410. Just for laughs, I should get a non-Debian Linux version or even BSD for my T410 and see what happens.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sunday, February 1, 2015 11:32 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz <mailto:ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>  My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness. 
>>> So it?s your laptop not Comcast.
>>> 
>>> It?s amazing who quickly people blame their ISP when only one device on the network has issues.
>>> 
>>> I suspect something is RFU with your firewall (UFW).
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com <mailto:galanolwe at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Still having problems with my Comcast Internet service. Now it looks like my U14.10 Thinkpad 410 connection (wire or w-less) won't do ssh (no route to host), won't give me most web pages, but, amazingly, will connect with gmail, YouTube, and Wikipedia. Also, I can do software updates and synaptic. My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness. 
>>>> 
>>>> LB
>>>> Grand Marais (in spirit)
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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From sdalano at gmail.com  Sun Feb  1 20:53:57 2015
From: sdalano at gmail.com (Saul Alanis)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 20:53:57 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Mint Questions
Message-ID: <CAPHnHUu7zpAzqaqfsxBtveGdKwsJTYoeJe9FO4fbV6_drz4HfQ@mail.gmail.com>

I've installed Linux Mint (Rebecca) to get a different experience other
than RPM based systems.

Watching this Tor presentation I decided to play around with oonie by
installing it using this script:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOwYgAS4TXE

https://ooni.torproject.org/install.sh

The script isn't written for Linux Mint but I've been modifying it to get
it working for my system.

I've gathered that Linux Mint Rebecca == Ubuntu Utopic Unicorn, is that
correct?

My question is can one interchangeably use Ubuntu repositories with Linux
Mint?

I understand that one can't or should not use CentOS 5 with CentOS 6
packages. However, I can use EPEL on Red Hat, and so on.

Does that work the same with Debian based systems?

Unicorn isn't listed as one of the distro versions.

What will happen if I run one of these two commands on Linux Mint?

        sudo apt-add-repository "deb $TOR_DEB_REPO $DISTRO_VERSION main"
        sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
$DISTRO_VERSION universe"

Hopefully I am asking the right questions?

Thanks,
SDA
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Sun Feb  1 21:16:10 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 21:16:10 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
In-Reply-To: <E1D3F824-A37D-487A-A663-1CFA7EC0E629@cwis.biz>
References: <pf5ctkl5goulqia3k95wggc1.1422843638097@email.android.com>
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An additional item of note: I must operate under the presumption you don?t know this ? 

There are 13 channels in the US available for 2.4GHz: 1-13.

Each channel is 10MHz apart.
But each channel is 20MHz wide.

Therefore if you have something on channel 11 you can use channel 6 free and clear. Same with 1. But if you have anything strong on 2-5 and you?re on 1 or 4-9 and you?re on 6 you?re SOL. You will be bleeding and conflicting and upsetting your transceiver (aka AP).

?
ryan


> On Feb 1, 2015, at 8:59 PM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
> 
> If you?re worried about it do a scan. Look where it is (1 6 or 11) and pick a different frequency.
> 
> Your RF concerns aren?t really that big, trust me, as you?re never going to push so much data over wifi that you need it. I?ve been designing, installing and configuring large-capacity private networks for years and residential usage (even by me - where my laptop does a lot of data and always on wifi) never comes close to utilizing the spectrum capabilities. Wi-Fi on it?s own is flawed, even beam-forming AC and N isn?t really full duplex - that?s not a spectrum issue but a design flaw. Some are better than others but most APs you would buy off the shelf don?t come with them. 
> 
> The best I?ve ever gotten off a 300Mbit link is about 110Mbit/sec (13MB/sec) and that was a dual-radio system (2 unique radios operating) going 75 feet over unobstructed space on 6GHz.
> If you need speed Wi-Fi is not the way to go. If you need convenience and backup systems definitely.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 1, 2015, at 8:20 PM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com <mailto:jus at krytosvirus.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I can't imagine the electricity cost is really noteworthy, especially if nobody is actually using it but even if they are, still I doubt it's too significant. I'd personally be more concerned with the rf spectrum usage. If someone is using more of the 2.4ghz bandwidth that might affect my own 2.4 ghz usage, that then directly affects my experience, regardless of the cable side of the bandwidth.
>> 
>> Just my own opinion / $.02
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Ryan Coleman
>> Date:02/01/2015 5:09 PM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: TCLUG Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 1, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Saul Alanis <sdalano at gmail.com <mailto:sdalano at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> I later learned about that whole BS which other Comcast customers could connect to my access point, and that's where I drew the line to a point.
>>> 
>> No, they couldn?t. I?m afraid you?ve remembered the wrong end of the setup being BS. Trust me - I use the xfinity_wifi SSIDs all the time. It?s a private pipe, you cannot talk to others? but they could sniff your traffic and you theirs. That?s the problem with unsecured Wi-Fi.
>> 
>> The part that is BS is that you have to PAY for the electricity at no discount in service. It doesn?t take away from your internet connection speed - just draws off your power bill. But you should also have a line-item discount on your serbice for hosting this extra configuration.
>> You could have turned it off easily.
>>> I bought a used modern off Craigslist and my performance problems where dissolved. I had the Comcast technicians out which said they need to be present during the issue, but when you call technical support all they can do is reset your modem :(
>>> 
>> This doesn?t surprise me. The only hardware Comcast has ever supplied that was worth the price (of free) is the business class equipment. And the customer service? Holy cow it makes a difference.
>>> Sorry this is more of a rant than anything else.
>>> 
>>> I really hope for alternative service providers in Dakota County. I guess since not enough people are willing to speak up we'll always be undeserved for the services we pay with our hard earned money.
>>> 
>> That?s not how contracts and bidding works? What you need to do is convince a commissioner who needs to reach out to other providers. If they want competition you will end up paying for it in property taxes because the county will be footing the bill to get the prices lower? Wonderful, right?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 1, 2015 2:01 PM, "Ryan Coleman" <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz <mailto:ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>> wrote:
>>> Which model modem did they bring?
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 1, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com <mailto:galanolwe at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Looking at the modem admin page, I saw that the errant T410 was only listed as its MAC address. Also, it was not listed as DHCP but always listed with a "Reserved IP" of 172.16.0.145 --which will not allow itself to be changed, even when I repeatedly try to choose DHCP and save. On a hunch, I changed (Ubuntu/Gnome) in the "IPv4 Settings" tab from "Automatic (DHCP) to "Automatic (DHCP) addresses only". Now it works . . . after a whole weekend of hair-tearing-out! Can anyone tell me why it wants to default to (won't change from) "Reserve IP"? And what did my changing to ". . . addresses only" do exactly?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sunday, February 1, 2015 1:43 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com <mailto:galanolwe at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I want to blame Comcast because these problems on the T410 don't appear when I use it on any other Wifi connection (I'll test again to make sure) -- and they don't even happen when Comcast gave us a loaner modem a few weeks ago! The new box is a dual 2.4/5.0 GHZ, while the loaner box was just 2.4 GHZ. On the new (and previous) 2.4/5.0 box I can't get any Internet logging into the 2.4, and the 5.0 connection gives me the aforesaid weirdness. There has been sporadic weirdness with other things too: Android devices tend to act up occasionally; an older Kindle has trouble getting online. I also tested this with the T410 on a straight ethernet connection to the modem -- same problems. To make it even more confusing, I tried Win8.1 on the T410 -- and it worked just fine. So if my T410/U14.10 works elsewhere AND with a different Comcast modem, gosh, it must be some very weird clash with the 2.4/5.0 Comcast modem and my T410/U14.10. Also, my Thinkpad X201 used to have weirdness, but it settled down and seems to work now. That's another wrinkle to this, problems come and go. For a long time we'd get Internet AFTER we waited 10 minutes or so after Wifi login, sometimes even with ethernet. But again, like I say, my older T61/U14.10 works fine. The only explanation I can think of is that the Comcast 2.4/5.0 modem and U14.10's network software don't like each other when U14.10 is installed on my T410. Just for laughs, I should get a non-Debian Linux version or even BSD for my T410 and see what happens.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sunday, February 1, 2015 11:32 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz <mailto:ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>  My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness. 
>>>> So it?s your laptop not Comcast.
>>>> 
>>>> It?s amazing who quickly people blame their ISP when only one device on the network has issues.
>>>> 
>>>> I suspect something is RFU with your firewall (UFW).
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com <mailto:galanolwe at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Still having problems with my Comcast Internet service. Now it looks like my U14.10 Thinkpad 410 connection (wire or w-less) won't do ssh (no route to host), won't give me most web pages, but, amazingly, will connect with gmail, YouTube, and Wikipedia. Also, I can do software updates and synaptic. My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> LB
>>>>> Grand Marais (in spirit)
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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>> 
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From kellywilliams81 at gmail.com  Sun Feb  1 21:49:53 2015
From: kellywilliams81 at gmail.com (Kelly Williams)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 21:49:53 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Using a video camera with linux:
In-Reply-To: <BBF5D4AA-5206-4B88-8E73-830DC1AE3120@cwis.biz>
References: <BAY168-W100D6B595B006BDFF45AA8E993F0@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <CALkoPArLv0rH1wm34Vbb54vANA=mkVu0jBJXD10h73wpnU2+-A@mail.gmail.com>

whats the model of the camera


On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:

> YMMV who made the camera?
>
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 5:48 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi, I recently found a camera in the garbage can while I was searching for
> my dinner. I am wondering if anyone else has experience with cameras
> running on the Linux operating system? Currently I am interested in the
> report as found here by the link provided: -->
> http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/762058-how-to-operate-your-spycams-with-zoneminder-on-linux-part-1-
>
> Thank you for your unbridled time.
>
> paul g
>
> Gobble Gobble, happy new year [image: Emoji]
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sun Feb  1 22:00:56 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 22:00:56 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
In-Reply-To: <35399C14-D4C9-4849-B0CF-B552A2A3D455@cwis.biz>
References: <pf5ctkl5goulqia3k95wggc1.1422843638097@email.android.com>,
 <E1D3F824-A37D-487A-A663-1CFA7EC0E629@cwis.biz>,
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1. Can I please ask you why my wireless router only allows me to select between channels 01-11?

Thank you 

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From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 21:16:10 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems

An additional item of note: I must operate under the presumption you don?t know this ? 
There are 13 channels in the US available for 2.4GHz: 1-13.
Each channel is 10MHz apart.But each channel is 20MHz wide.
Therefore if you have something on channel 11 you can use channel 6 free and clear. Same with 1. But if you have anything strong on 2-5 and you?re on 1 or 4-9 and you?re on 6 you?re SOL. You will be bleeding and conflicting and upsetting your transceiver (aka AP).
?ryan

On Feb 1, 2015, at 8:59 PM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:If you?re worried about it do a scan. Look where it is (1 6 or 11) and pick a different frequency.
Your RF concerns aren?t really that big, trust me, as you?re never going to push so much data over wifi that you need it. I?ve been designing, installing and configuring large-capacity private networks for years and residential usage (even by me - where my laptop does a lot of data and always on wifi) never comes close to utilizing the spectrum capabilities. Wi-Fi on it?s own is flawed, even beam-forming AC and N isn?t really full duplex - that?s not a spectrum issue but a design flaw. Some are better than others but most APs you would buy off the shelf don?t come with them. 
The best I?ve ever gotten off a 300Mbit link is about 110Mbit/sec (13MB/sec) and that was a dual-radio system (2 unique radios operating) going 75 feet over unobstructed space on 6GHz.If you need speed Wi-Fi is not the way to go. If you need convenience and backup systems definitely.


On Feb 1, 2015, at 8:20 PM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:I can't imagine the electricity cost is really noteworthy, especially if nobody is actually using it but even if they are, still I doubt it's too significant. I'd personally be more concerned with the rf spectrum usage. If someone is using more of the 2.4ghz bandwidth that might affect my own 2.4 ghz usage, that then directly affects my experience, regardless of the cable side of the bandwidth.
Just my own opinion / $.02

-------- Original message --------From: Ryan Coleman  Date:02/01/2015  5:09 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: TCLUG Mailing List  Subject: Re: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems 

On Feb 1, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Saul Alanis <sdalano at gmail.com> wrote:I later learned about that whole BS which other Comcast customers could connect to my access point, and that's where I drew the line to a point.No, they couldn?t. I?m afraid you?ve remembered the wrong end of the setup being BS. Trust me - I use the xfinity_wifi SSIDs all the time. It?s a private pipe, you cannot talk to others? but they could sniff your traffic and you theirs. That?s the problem with unsecured Wi-Fi.
The part that is BS is that you have to PAY for the electricity at no discount in service. It doesn?t take away from your internet connection speed - just draws off your power bill. But you should also have a line-item discount on your serbice for hosting this extra configuration.You could have turned it off easily.I bought a used modern off Craigslist and my performance problems where dissolved. I had the Comcast technicians out which said they need to be present during the issue, but when you call technical support all they can do is reset your modem :(This doesn?t surprise me. The only hardware Comcast has ever supplied that was worth the price (of free) is the business class equipment. And the customer service? Holy cow it makes a difference.
Sorry this is more of a rant than anything else.I really hope for alternative service providers in Dakota County. I guess since not enough people are willing to speak up we'll always be undeserved for the services we pay with our hard earned money. That?s not how contracts and bidding works? What you need to do is convince a commissioner who needs to reach out to other providers. If they want competition you will end up paying for it in property taxes because the county will be footing the bill to get the prices lower? Wonderful, right?


On Feb 1, 2015 2:01 PM, "Ryan Coleman" <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
Which model modem did they bring?
On Feb 1, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:
Looking at the modem admin page, I saw that the errant T410 was only listed as its MAC address. Also, it was not listed as DHCP but always listed with a "Reserved IP" of 172.16.0.145 --which will not allow itself to be changed, even when I repeatedly try to choose DHCP and save. On a hunch, I changed (Ubuntu/Gnome) in the "IPv4 Settings" tab from "Automatic (DHCP) to "Automatic (DHCP) addresses only". Now it works . . . after a whole weekend of hair-tearing-out! Can anyone tell me why it wants to default to (won't change from) "Reserve IP"? And what did my changing to ". . . addresses only" do exactly?
Thanks. 

     On Sunday, February 1, 2015 1:43 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:
     

 I want to blame Comcast because these problems on the T410 don't appear when I use it on any other Wifi connection (I'll test again to make sure) -- and they don't even happen when Comcast gave us a loaner modem a few weeks ago! The new box is a dual 2.4/5.0 GHZ, while the loaner box was just 2.4 GHZ. On the new (and previous) 2.4/5.0 box I can't get any Internet logging into the 2.4, and the 5.0 connection gives me the aforesaid weirdness. There has been sporadic weirdness with other things too: Android devices tend to act up occasionally; an older Kindle has trouble getting online. I also tested this with the T410 on a straight ethernet connection to the modem -- same problems. To make it even more confusing, I tried Win8.1 on the T410 -- and it worked just fine. So if my T410/U14.10 works elsewhere AND with a different Comcast modem, gosh, it must be some very weird clash with the 2.4/5.0 Comcast modem and my T410/U14.10. Also, my Thinkpad X201 used to have weirdness, but it settled down and seems to work now. That's another wrinkle to this, problems come and go. For a long time we'd get Internet AFTER we waited 10 minutes or so after Wifi login, sometimes even with ethernet. But again, like I say, my older T61/U14.10 works fine. The only explanation I can think of is that the Comcast 2.4/5.0 modem and U14.10's network software don't like each other when U14.10 is installed on my T410. Just for laughs, I should get a non-Debian Linux version or even BSD for my T410 and see what happens.      On Sunday, February 1, 2015 11:32 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:       My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness. So it?s your laptop not Comcast.It?s amazing who quickly people blame their ISP when only one device on the network has issues.I suspect something is RFU with your firewall (UFW).On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:Still having problems with my Comcast Internet service. Now it looks like my U14.10 Thinkpad 410 connection (wire or w-less) won't do ssh (no route to host), won't give me most web pages, but, amazingly, will connect with gmail, YouTube, and Wikipedia. Also, I can do software updates and synaptic. My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness. LBGrand Marais (in spirit)_______________________________________________TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesotatclug-list at mn-linux.orghttp://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list        

        

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From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 22:02:31 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
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I misspoke. 1-11. EU is 1-13


> On Feb 1, 2015, at 10:00 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 1. Can I please ask you why my wireless router only allows me to select between channels 01-11?
> 
> Thank you 
> 
> ----
> paul g 
> 
> From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz <mailto:ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>
> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 21:16:10 -0600
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
> 
> An additional item of note: I must operate under the presumption you don?t know this ? 
> 
> There are 13 channels in the US available for 2.4GHz: 1-13.
> 
> Each channel is 10MHz apart.
> But each channel is 20MHz wide.
> 
> Therefore if you have something on channel 11 you can use channel 6 free and clear. Same with 1. But if you have anything strong on 2-5 and you?re on 1 or 4-9 and you?re on 6 you?re SOL. You will be bleeding and conflicting and upsetting your transceiver (aka AP).
> 
> ?
> ryan
> 
> 
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 8:59 PM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz <mailto:ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>> wrote:
> 
> If you?re worried about it do a scan. Look where it is (1 6 or 11) and pick a different frequency.
> 
> Your RF concerns aren?t really that big, trust me, as you?re never going to push so much data over wifi that you need it. I?ve been designing, installing and configuring large-capacity private networks for years and residential usage (even by me - where my laptop does a lot of data and always on wifi) never comes close to utilizing the spectrum capabilities. Wi-Fi on it?s own is flawed, even beam-forming AC and N isn?t really full duplex - that?s not a spectrum issue but a design flaw. Some are better than others but most APs you would buy off the shelf don?t come with them. 
> 
> The best I?ve ever gotten off a 300Mbit link is about 110Mbit/sec (13MB/sec) and that was a dual-radio system (2 unique radios operating) going 75 feet over unobstructed space on 6GHz.
> If you need speed Wi-Fi is not the way to go. If you need convenience and backup systems definitely.
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 8:20 PM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com <mailto:jus at krytosvirus.com>> wrote:
> 
> I can't imagine the electricity cost is really noteworthy, especially if nobody is actually using it but even if they are, still I doubt it's too significant. I'd personally be more concerned with the rf spectrum usage. If someone is using more of the 2.4ghz bandwidth that might affect my own 2.4 ghz usage, that then directly affects my experience, regardless of the cable side of the bandwidth.
> 
> Just my own opinion / $.02
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Ryan Coleman 
> Date:02/01/2015 5:09 PM (GMT-06:00) 
> To: TCLUG Mailing List 
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems 
> 
> 
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Saul Alanis <sdalano at gmail.com <mailto:sdalano at gmail.com>> wrote:
> I later learned about that whole BS which other Comcast customers could connect to my access point, and that's where I drew the line to a point.
> No, they couldn?t. I?m afraid you?ve remembered the wrong end of the setup being BS. Trust me - I use the xfinity_wifi SSIDs all the time. It?s a private pipe, you cannot talk to others? but they could sniff your traffic and you theirs. That?s the problem with unsecured Wi-Fi.
> 
> The part that is BS is that you have to PAY for the electricity at no discount in service. It doesn?t take away from your internet connection speed - just draws off your power bill. But you should also have a line-item discount on your serbice for hosting this extra configuration.
> You could have turned it off easily.
> I bought a used modern off Craigslist and my performance problems where dissolved. I had the Comcast technicians out which said they need to be present during the issue, but when you call technical support all they can do is reset your modem :(
> This doesn?t surprise me. The only hardware Comcast has ever supplied that was worth the price (of free) is the business class equipment. And the customer service? Holy cow it makes a difference.
> Sorry this is more of a rant than anything else.
> I really hope for alternative service providers in Dakota County. I guess since not enough people are willing to speak up we'll always be undeserved for the services we pay with our hard earned money. 
> That?s not how contracts and bidding works? What you need to do is convince a commissioner who needs to reach out to other providers. If they want competition you will end up paying for it in property taxes because the county will be footing the bill to get the prices lower? Wonderful, right?
> 
> 
> On Feb 1, 2015 2:01 PM, "Ryan Coleman" <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz <mailto:ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>> wrote:
> Which model modem did they bring?
> 
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com <mailto:galanolwe at yahoo.com>> wrote:
> 
> Looking at the modem admin page, I saw that the errant T410 was only listed as its MAC address. Also, it was not listed as DHCP but always listed with a "Reserved IP" of 172.16.0.145 --which will not allow itself to be changed, even when I repeatedly try to choose DHCP and save. On a hunch, I changed (Ubuntu/Gnome) in the "IPv4 Settings" tab from "Automatic (DHCP) to "Automatic (DHCP) addresses only". Now it works . . . after a whole weekend of hair-tearing-out! Can anyone tell me why it wants to default to (won't change from) "Reserve IP"? And what did my changing to ". . . addresses only" do exactly?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> On Sunday, February 1, 2015 1:43 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com <mailto:galanolwe at yahoo.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> I want to blame Comcast because these problems on the T410 don't appear when I use it on any other Wifi connection (I'll test again to make sure) -- and they don't even happen when Comcast gave us a loaner modem a few weeks ago! The new box is a dual 2.4/5.0 GHZ, while the loaner box was just 2.4 GHZ. On the new (and previous) 2.4/5.0 box I can't get any Internet logging into the 2.4, and the 5.0 connection gives me the aforesaid weirdness. There has been sporadic weirdness with other things too: Android devices tend to act up occasionally; an older Kindle has trouble getting online. I also tested this with the T410 on a straight ethernet connection to the modem -- same problems. To make it even more confusing, I tried Win8.1 on the T410 -- and it worked just fine. So if my T410/U14.10 works elsewhere AND with a different Comcast modem, gosh, it must be some very weird clash with the 2.4/5.0 Comcast modem and my T410/U14.10. Also, my Thinkpad X201 used to have weirdness, but it settled down and seems to work now. That's another wrinkle to this, problems come and go. For a long time we'd get Internet AFTER we waited 10 minutes or so after Wifi login, sometimes even with ethernet. But again, like I say, my older T61/U14.10 works fine. The only explanation I can think of is that the Comcast 2.4/5.0 modem and U14.10's network software don't like each other when U14.10 is installed on my T410. Just for laughs, I should get a non-Debian Linux version or even BSD for my T410 and see what happens.
> 
> 
> On Sunday, February 1, 2015 11:32 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz <mailto:ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>> wrote:
> 
> 
>  My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness. 
> So it?s your laptop not Comcast.
> 
> It?s amazing who quickly people blame their ISP when only one device on the network has issues.
> 
> I suspect something is RFU with your firewall (UFW).
> 
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com <mailto:galanolwe at yahoo.com>> wrote:
> 
> Still having problems with my Comcast Internet service. Now it looks like my U14.10 Thinkpad 410 connection (wire or w-less) won't do ssh (no route to host), won't give me most web pages, but, amazingly, will connect with gmail, YouTube, and Wikipedia. Also, I can do software updates and synaptic. My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness. 
> 
> LB
> Grand Marais (in spirit)
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> 
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sun Feb  1 22:03:26 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 22:03:26 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Using a video camera with linux:
In-Reply-To: <CALkoPArLv0rH1wm34Vbb54vANA=mkVu0jBJXD10h73wpnU2+-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY168-W100D6B595B006BDFF45AA8E993F0@phx.gbl>,
 <BBF5D4AA-5206-4B88-8E73-830DC1AE3120@cwis.biz>,
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The camera is a  Foscam FI8905W that's why I was researching on that link. I recall someone else had some sort of "video to ssd" project going a bit ago but I was not following it very closely which is unfortunate for me.

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Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 21:49:53 -0600
From: kellywilliams81 at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Using a video camera with linux:

whats the model of the camera


On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
YMMV who made the camera? 


On Feb 1, 2015, at 5:48 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi, I recently found a camera in the garbage can while I was searching for my dinner. I am wondering if anyone else has experience with cameras running on the Linux operating system? Currently I am interested in the report as found here by the link provided: --> http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/762058-how-to-operate-your-spycams-with-zoneminder-on-linux-part-1-

Thank you for your unbridled time.

paul g 

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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Sun Feb  1 22:05:37 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 22:05:37 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Using a video camera with linux:
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If you want a free recording platform look at Exacq. You get a single camera to try and it works with Linux.
I use their OVA VM so I haven?t done the install.

You do not want to record security footage to SSD ever. You will kill the drive in less than a year.


?
Ryan

> On Feb 1, 2015, at 10:03 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The camera is a Foscam FI8905W that's why I was researching on that link. I recall someone else had some sort of "video to ssd" project going a bit ago but I was not following it very closely which is unfortunate for me.
> 
> ----
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> 
> 
> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 21:49:53 -0600
> From: kellywilliams81 at gmail.com <mailto:kellywilliams81 at gmail.com>
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Using a video camera with linux:
> 
> whats the model of the camera
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz <mailto:ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>> wrote:
> YMMV who made the camera? 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 5:48 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com <mailto:pj.world at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I recently found a camera in the garbage can while I was searching for my dinner. I am wondering if anyone else has experience with cameras running on the Linux operating system? Currently I am interested in the report as found here by the link provided: --> http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/762058-how-to-operate-your-spycams-with-zoneminder-on-linux-part-1- <http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/762058-how-to-operate-your-spycams-with-zoneminder-on-linux-part-1->
> 
> Thank you for your unbridled time.
> 
> paul g 
> 
> Gobble Gobble, happy new year 
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sun Feb  1 22:07:42 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 22:07:42 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
In-Reply-To: <BBE7CE31-0090-40A4-8D6D-CC325AE8E028@cwis.biz>
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Fair enough but since I asked I would like to ask you another question if I may also.

Long question short. 

1. Is there much I can do as far as firmware installations on a Netgear WNR2000 v.1 wireless router? I recently updated the firmware via the Netgear website to the latest version they themselves are offering.

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From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 22:02:31 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems

I misspoke. 1-11. EU is 1-13

On Feb 1, 2015, at 10:00 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:1. Can I please ask you why my wireless router only allows me to select between channels 01-11?

Thank you 

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From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 21:16:10 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems

An additional item of note: I must operate under the presumption you don?t know this ? 
There are 13 channels in the US available for 2.4GHz: 1-13.
Each channel is 10MHz apart.But each channel is 20MHz wide.
Therefore if you have something on channel 11 you can use channel 6 free and clear. Same with 1. But if you have anything strong on 2-5 and you?re on 1 or 4-9 and you?re on 6 you?re SOL. You will be bleeding and conflicting and upsetting your transceiver (aka AP).
?ryan

On Feb 1, 2015, at 8:59 PM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:If you?re worried about it do a scan. Look where it is (1 6 or 11) and pick a different frequency.
Your RF concerns aren?t really that big, trust me, as you?re never going to push so much data over wifi that you need it. I?ve been designing, installing and configuring large-capacity private networks for years and residential usage (even by me - where my laptop does a lot of data and always on wifi) never comes close to utilizing the spectrum capabilities. Wi-Fi on it?s own is flawed, even beam-forming AC and N isn?t really full duplex - that?s not a spectrum issue but a design flaw. Some are better than others but most APs you would buy off the shelf don?t come with them. 
The best I?ve ever gotten off a 300Mbit link is about 110Mbit/sec (13MB/sec) and that was a dual-radio system (2 unique radios operating) going 75 feet over unobstructed space on 6GHz.If you need speed Wi-Fi is not the way to go. If you need convenience and backup systems definitely.


On Feb 1, 2015, at 8:20 PM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:I can't imagine the electricity cost is really noteworthy, especially if nobody is actually using it but even if they are, still I doubt it's too significant. I'd personally be more concerned with the rf spectrum usage. If someone is using more of the 2.4ghz bandwidth that might affect my own 2.4 ghz usage, that then directly affects my experience, regardless of the cable side of the bandwidth.
Just my own opinion / $.02

-------- Original message --------From: Ryan Coleman Date:02/01/2015 5:09 PM (GMT-06:00) To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems 

On Feb 1, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Saul Alanis <sdalano at gmail.com> wrote:I later learned about that whole BS which other Comcast customers could connect to my access point, and that's where I drew the line to a point.No, they couldn?t. I?m afraid you?ve remembered the wrong end of the setup being BS. Trust me - I use the xfinity_wifi SSIDs all the time. It?s a private pipe, you cannot talk to others? but they could sniff your traffic and you theirs. That?s the problem with unsecured Wi-Fi.
The part that is BS is that you have to PAY for the electricity at no discount in service. It doesn?t take away from your internet connection speed - just draws off your power bill. But you should also have a line-item discount on your serbice for hosting this extra configuration.You could have turned it off easily.I bought a used modern off Craigslist and my performance problems where dissolved. I had the Comcast technicians out which said they need to be present during the issue, but when you call technical support all they can do is reset your modem :(This doesn?t surprise me. The only hardware Comcast has ever supplied that was worth the price (of free) is the business class equipment. And the customer service? Holy cow it makes a difference.
Sorry this is more of a rant than anything else.I really hope for alternative service providers in Dakota County. I guess since not enough people are willing to speak up we'll always be undeserved for the services we pay with our hard earned money. That?s not how contracts and bidding works? What you need to do is convince a commissioner who needs to reach out to other providers. If they want competition you will end up paying for it in property taxes because the county will be footing the bill to get the prices lower? Wonderful, right?

On Feb 1, 2015 2:01 PM, "Ryan Coleman" <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
Which model modem did they bring?
On Feb 1, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:
Looking at the modem admin page, I saw that the errant T410 was only listed as its MAC address. Also, it was not listed as DHCP but always listed with a "Reserved IP" of 172.16.0.145 --which will not allow itself to be changed, even when I repeatedly try to choose DHCP and save. On a hunch, I changed (Ubuntu/Gnome) in the "IPv4 Settings" tab from "Automatic (DHCP) to "Automatic (DHCP) addresses only". Now it works . . . after a whole weekend of hair-tearing-out! Can anyone tell me why it wants to default to (won't change from) "Reserve IP"? And what did my changing to ". . . addresses only" do exactly?
Thanks.

On Sunday, February 1, 2015 1:43 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:


I want to blame Comcast because these problems on the T410 don't appear when I use it on any other Wifi connection (I'll test again to make sure) -- and they don't even happen when Comcast gave us a loaner modem a few weeks ago! The new box is a dual 2.4/5.0 GHZ, while the loaner box was just 2.4 GHZ. On the new (and previous) 2.4/5.0 box I can't get any Internet logging into the 2.4, and the 5.0 connection gives me the aforesaid weirdness. There has been sporadic weirdness with other things too: Android devices tend to act up occasionally; an older Kindle has trouble getting online. I also tested this with the T410 on a straight ethernet connection to the modem -- same problems. To make it even more confusing, I tried Win8.1 on the T410 -- and it worked just fine. So if my T410/U14.10 works elsewhere AND with a different Comcast modem, gosh, it must be some very weird clash with the 2.4/5.0 Comcast modem and my T410/U14.10. Also, my Thinkpad X201 used to have weirdness, but it settled down and seems to work now. That's another wrinkle to this, problems come and go. For a long time we'd get Internet AFTER we waited 10 minutes or so after Wifi login, sometimes even with ethernet. But again, like I say, my older T61/U14.10 works fine. The only explanation I can think of is that the Comcast 2.4/5.0 modem and U14.10's network software don't like each other when U14.10 is installed on my T410. Just for laughs, I should get a non-Debian Linux version or even BSD for my T410 and see what happens.On Sunday, February 1, 2015 11:32 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote: My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness. So it?s your laptop not Comcast.It?s amazing who quickly people blame their ISP when only one device on the network has issues.I suspect something is RFU with your firewall (UFW).On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:Still having problems with my Comcast Internet service. Now it looks like my U14.10 Thinkpad 410 connection (wire or w-less) won't do ssh (no route to host), won't give me most web pages, but, amazingly, will connect with gmail, YouTube, and Wikipedia. Also, I can do software updates and synaptic. My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness. LBGrand Marais (in spirit)_______________________________________________TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesotatclug-list at mn-linux.orghttp://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



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From max at bernsteinforpresident.com  Sun Feb  1 21:35:48 2015
From: max at bernsteinforpresident.com (Max Shinn)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 21:35:48 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
In-Reply-To: <35399C14-D4C9-4849-B0CF-B552A2A3D455@cwis.biz>
References: <pf5ctkl5goulqia3k95wggc1.1422843638097@email.android.com>
 <E1D3F824-A37D-487A-A663-1CFA7EC0E629@cwis.biz>
 <35399C14-D4C9-4849-B0CF-B552A2A3D455@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <20150201213548.6ed1ba31@morris>

> Therefore if you have something on channel 11 you can use channel 6
> free and clear. Same with 1. But if you have anything strong on 2-5
> and you?re on 1 or 4-9 and you?re on 6 you?re SOL. You will be
> bleeding and conflicting and upsetting your transceiver (aka AP).

The problem is worse when you have many of these routers.  I have a
friend who lives in an apartment building that gets internet service
from Comcast. Every single unit needs to have their own wifi router,
and so every unit is broadcasting this xfinity_wifi SSID in addition to
their own SSID. It is very difficult to get a signal, (presumably)
because the pigeonhole principle mandates that there are at least 2-3
SSIDs per channel. Obviously this is a problem in most apartment
buildings, but the effect is much greater when every person is using
two channels instead of just one.

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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Sun Feb  1 22:43:59 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 22:43:59 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
In-Reply-To: <20150201213548.6ed1ba31@morris>
References: <pf5ctkl5goulqia3k95wggc1.1422843638097@email.android.com>
 <E1D3F824-A37D-487A-A663-1CFA7EC0E629@cwis.biz>
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In that case the installation crew should have lowered the power from 100mW to 25 or 50mW.

There are ways to defeat the overabundance but people buy the cheapest gear possible compounding the problem they are already experiencing.


> On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:35 PM, Max Shinn <max at bernsteinforpresident.com> wrote:
> 
>> Therefore if you have something on channel 11 you can use channel 6
>> free and clear. Same with 1. But if you have anything strong on 2-5
>> and you?re on 1 or 4-9 and you?re on 6 you?re SOL. You will be
>> bleeding and conflicting and upsetting your transceiver (aka AP).
> 
> The problem is worse when you have many of these routers.  I have a
> friend who lives in an apartment building that gets internet service
> from Comcast. Every single unit needs to have their own wifi router,
> and so every unit is broadcasting this xfinity_wifi SSID in addition to
> their own SSID. It is very difficult to get a signal, (presumably)
> because the pigeonhole principle mandates that there are at least 2-3
> SSIDs per channel. Obviously this is a problem in most apartment
> buildings, but the effect is much greater when every person is using
> two channels instead of just one.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sun Feb  1 23:02:27 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 23:02:27 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
In-Reply-To: <1B3616BC-847F-44DC-9ECA-D04E927E2FB6@cwis.biz>
References: <pf5ctkl5goulqia3k95wggc1.1422843638097@email.android.com>,
 <E1D3F824-A37D-487A-A663-1CFA7EC0E629@cwis.biz>,
 <35399C14-D4C9-4849-B0CF-B552A2A3D455@cwis.biz>,
 <20150201213548.6ed1ba31@morris>,
 <1B3616BC-847F-44DC-9ECA-D04E927E2FB6@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W596EC84E96CBFB6E171DF0993C0@phx.gbl>

I can personally attest to 'trying to purchase the cheapest gear available'. As I acquired my Netgear WNR 2000 v.1 from Goodwill last summer for the total sum of 4 US Dollars + tax.

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> From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 22:43:59 -0600
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
> 
> In that case the installation crew should have lowered the power from 100mW to 25 or 50mW.
> 
> There are ways to defeat the overabundance but people buy the cheapest gear possible compounding the problem they are already experiencing.
> 
> 
> > On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:35 PM, Max Shinn <max at bernsteinforpresident.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Therefore if you have something on channel 11 you can use channel 6
> >> free and clear. Same with 1. But if you have anything strong on 2-5
> >> and you?re on 1 or 4-9 and you?re on 6 you?re SOL. You will be
> >> bleeding and conflicting and upsetting your transceiver (aka AP).
> > 
> > The problem is worse when you have many of these routers.  I have a
> > friend who lives in an apartment building that gets internet service
> > from Comcast. Every single unit needs to have their own wifi router,
> > and so every unit is broadcasting this xfinity_wifi SSID in addition to
> > their own SSID. It is very difficult to get a signal, (presumably)
> > because the pigeonhole principle mandates that there are at least 2-3
> > SSIDs per channel. Obviously this is a problem in most apartment
> > buildings, but the effect is much greater when every person is using
> > two channels instead of just one.
> > 
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From sdalano at gmail.com  Sun Feb  1 22:40:03 2015
From: sdalano at gmail.com (Saul Alanis)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 22:40:03 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
In-Reply-To: <20150201213548.6ed1ba31@morris>
References: <pf5ctkl5goulqia3k95wggc1.1422843638097@email.android.com>
 <E1D3F824-A37D-487A-A663-1CFA7EC0E629@cwis.biz>
 <35399C14-D4C9-4849-B0CF-B552A2A3D455@cwis.biz>
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Message-ID: <CAPHnHUsqbuiJtgPsAaoeOeUtp_kubMTjJkzJZDfJ1Py6Nqp61g@mail.gmail.com>

I just did a quick Google search on Bluetooth access points and those are
available. Yes, they are a bit costly, but curious if this would solve the
apartment complex issue using wireless and if anyone has experience using
one?
On Feb 1, 2015 10:32 PM, "Max Shinn" <max at bernsteinforpresident.com> wrote:

> > Therefore if you have something on channel 11 you can use channel 6
> > free and clear. Same with 1. But if you have anything strong on 2-5
> > and you?re on 1 or 4-9 and you?re on 6 you?re SOL. You will be
> > bleeding and conflicting and upsetting your transceiver (aka AP).
>
> The problem is worse when you have many of these routers.  I have a
> friend who lives in an apartment building that gets internet service
> from Comcast. Every single unit needs to have their own wifi router,
> and so every unit is broadcasting this xfinity_wifi SSID in addition to
> their own SSID. It is very difficult to get a signal, (presumably)
> because the pigeonhole principle mandates that there are at least 2-3
> SSIDs per channel. Obviously this is a problem in most apartment
> buildings, but the effect is much greater when every person is using
> two channels instead of just one.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jus at krytosvirus.com  Sun Feb  1 23:05:07 2015
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 23:05:07 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
Message-ID: <r0rumwl12dvdnea8hhfw5wl1.1422850697690@email.android.com>

Yes, three non-overlapping 2.4ghz channels, I am quite familiar. Double channel width allows for greater bandwidth as well as greater exposure to noise/interference. I've picked up a few tidbits working on a 20,000 client wifi network in Minneapolis.

The problem is not just my own networks utilization, which can be problematic on its own, but also neighbors wifi (eg, poor channel selection) as well and of course the non-wifi conforming rf using devices.

If you have two clients that both associate to the same ap but can't see each other (rf-wise) then they step on each other when tx'ing which is more likely to happen when you have random transients on your ap connecting from random locations that are more likely to be further away. And of course increasing TX power on the ap doesn't help this specific condition as it is the clients' TX power that matters.

My point being there are more possible causes of issues as you add more variables and more clients. Inviting more rf usage to your vicinity strikes me as only increasing the possibility of issues.

As for the comcast specific component I don't have any experience directly with what they have or how it works as I don't use comcast.?



<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> </div><div>Date:02/01/2015  9:16 PM  (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> </div><div>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems </div><div>
</div>An additional item of note: I must operate under the presumption you don?t know this ? 

There are 13 channels in the US available for 2.4GHz: 1-13.

Each channel is 10MHz apart.
But each channel is 20MHz wide.

Therefore if you have something on channel 11 you can use channel 6 free and clear. Same with 1. But if you have anything strong on 2-5 and you?re on 1 or 4-9 and you?re on 6 you?re SOL. You will be bleeding and conflicting and upsetting your transceiver (aka AP).

?
ryan


On Feb 1, 2015, at 8:59 PM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:

If you?re worried about it do a scan. Look where it is (1 6 or 11) and pick a different frequency.

Your RF concerns aren?t really that big, trust me, as you?re never going to push so much data over wifi that you need it. I?ve been designing, installing and configuring large-capacity private networks for years and residential usage (even by me - where my laptop does a lot of data and always on wifi) never comes close to utilizing the spectrum capabilities. Wi-Fi on it?s own is flawed, even beam-forming AC and N isn?t really full duplex - that?s not a spectrum issue but a design flaw. Some are better than others but most APs you would buy off the shelf don?t come with them. 

The best I?ve ever gotten off a 300Mbit link is about 110Mbit/sec (13MB/sec) and that was a dual-radio system (2 unique radios operating) going 75 feet over unobstructed space on 6GHz.
If you need speed Wi-Fi is not the way to go. If you need convenience and backup systems definitely.



On Feb 1, 2015, at 8:20 PM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:

I can't imagine the electricity cost is really noteworthy, especially if nobody is actually using it but even if they are, still I doubt it's too significant. I'd personally be more concerned with the rf spectrum usage. If someone is using more of the 2.4ghz bandwidth that might affect my own 2.4 ghz usage, that then directly affects my experience, regardless of the cable side of the bandwidth.

Just my own opinion / $.02


-------- Original message --------
From: Ryan Coleman
Date:02/01/2015  5:09 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: TCLUG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems


On Feb 1, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Saul Alanis <sdalano at gmail.com> wrote:
I later learned about that whole BS which other Comcast customers could connect to my access point, and that's where I drew the line to a point.

No, they couldn?t. I?m afraid you?ve remembered the wrong end of the setup being BS. Trust me - I use the xfinity_wifi SSIDs all the time. It?s a private pipe, you cannot talk to others? but they could sniff your traffic and you theirs. That?s the problem with unsecured Wi-Fi.

The part that is BS is that you have to PAY for the electricity at no discount in service. It doesn?t take away from your internet connection speed - just draws off your power bill. But you should also have a line-item discount on your serbice for hosting this extra configuration.
You could have turned it off easily.
I bought a used modern off Craigslist and my performance problems where dissolved. I had the Comcast technicians out which said they need to be present during the issue, but when you call technical support all they can do is reset your modem :(

This doesn?t surprise me. The only hardware Comcast has ever supplied that was worth the price (of free) is the business class equipment. And the customer service? Holy cow it makes a difference.
Sorry this is more of a rant than anything else.

I really hope for alternative service providers in Dakota County. I guess since not enough people are willing to speak up we'll always be undeserved for the services we pay with our hard earned money.

That?s not how contracts and bidding works? What you need to do is convince a commissioner who needs to reach out to other providers. If they want competition you will end up paying for it in property taxes because the county will be footing the bill to get the prices lower? Wonderful, right?


On Feb 1, 2015 2:01 PM, "Ryan Coleman" <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
Which model modem did they bring?

On Feb 1, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:

Looking at the modem admin page, I saw that the errant T410 was only listed as its MAC address. Also, it was not listed as DHCP but always listed with a "Reserved IP" of 172.16.0.145 --which will not allow itself to be changed, even when I repeatedly try to choose DHCP and save. On a hunch, I changed (Ubuntu/Gnome) in the "IPv4 Settings" tab from "Automatic (DHCP) to "Automatic (DHCP) addresses only". Now it works . . . after a whole weekend of hair-tearing-out! Can anyone tell me why it wants to default to (won't change from) "Reserve IP"? And what did my changing to ". . . addresses only" do exactly?

Thanks.


On Sunday, February 1, 2015 1:43 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:


I want to blame Comcast because these problems on the T410 don't appear when I use it on any other Wifi connection (I'll test again to make sure) -- and they don't even happen when Comcast gave us a loaner modem a few weeks ago! The new box is a dual 2.4/5.0 GHZ, while the loaner box was just 2.4 GHZ. On the new (and previous) 2.4/5.0 box I can't get any Internet logging into the 2.4, and the 5.0 connection gives me the aforesaid weirdness. There has been sporadic weirdness with other things too: Android devices tend to act up occasionally; an older Kindle has trouble getting online. I also tested this with the T410 on a straight ethernet connection to the modem -- same problems. To make it even more confusing, I tried Win8.1 on the T410 -- and it worked just fine. So if my T410/U14.10 works elsewhere AND with a different Comcast modem, gosh, it must be some very weird clash with the 2.4/5.0 Comcast modem and my T410/U14.10. Also, my Thinkpad X201 used to have weirdness, but it settled down and seems to work now. That's another wrinkle to this, problems come and go. For a long time we'd get Internet AFTER we waited 10 minutes or so after Wifi login, sometimes even with ethernet. But again, like I say, my older T61/U14.10 works fine. The only explanation I can think of is that the Comcast 2.4/5.0 modem and U14.10's network software don't like each other when U14.10 is installed on my T410. Just for laughs, I should get a non-Debian Linux version or even BSD for my T410 and see what happens.


On Sunday, February 1, 2015 11:32 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:


 My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness.
So it?s your laptop not Comcast.

It?s amazing who quickly people blame their ISP when only one device on the network has issues.

I suspect something is RFU with your firewall (UFW).

On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:

Still having problems with my Comcast Internet service. Now it looks like my U14.10 Thinkpad 410 connection (wire or w-less) won't do ssh (no route to host), won't give me most web pages, but, amazingly, will connect with gmail, YouTube, and Wikipedia. Also, I can do software updates and synaptic. My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness.

LB
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Sun Feb  1 23:31:53 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 23:31:53 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Using a video camera with linux:
In-Reply-To: <BDC43817-AD5F-4CF5-83C3-B4492663255D@cwis.biz>
References: <BAY168-W100D6B595B006BDFF45AA8E993F0@phx.gbl> <,,>
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Ryan, I have been reading through the Exacq manual. I came upon the integration page. Of all the companies on that page Foscam does not show up on the support page either. 

https://exacq.com/integration/ipcams/#changeStep=activate~nstep_id=#step-2

Shouldn't the Foscam be listed on page 9? What am I going to do at this point? This is looking like another dilemma on my end.

thanks,

----
paul g



From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 22:05:37 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Using a video camera with linux:

If you want a free recording platform look at Exacq. You get a single camera to try and it works with Linux.I use their OVA VM so I haven?t done the install.
You do not want to record security footage to SSD ever. You will kill the drive in less than a year.

?Ryan
On Feb 1, 2015, at 10:03 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:The camera is a Foscam FI8905W that's why I was researching on that link. I recall someone else had some sort of "video to ssd" project going a bit ago but I was not following it very closely which is unfortunate for me.

----
paul g


Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 21:49:53 -0600
From: kellywilliams81 at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Using a video camera with linux:

whats the model of the camera


On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
YMMV who made the camera? 


On Feb 1, 2015, at 5:48 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi, I recently found a camera in the garbage can while I was searching for my dinner. I am wondering if anyone else has experience with cameras running on the Linux operating system? Currently I am interested in the report as found here by the link provided: --> http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/762058-how-to-operate-your-spycams-with-zoneminder-on-linux-part-1-

Thank you for your unbridled time.

paul g 

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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 01:04:55 2015
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 01:04:55 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Server motherboards with an m.2 slot
Message-ID: <CABWFOjubtVdbVBGsLK7r_1KQENequXPE50VjsqkbHkjKvCpqag@mail.gmail.com>

I've been thinking about building a new server lately.   I'd like to find
a server motherboard with an m.2 slot that's under $200.

This one

http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Z97--DDR3-2600-Motherboards/dp/B00K2MAU5Q/ref=sr_1_38?ie=UTF8&qid=1422856362&sr=8-38&keywords=m.2+ssd

isn't a server motherboard, but it has an m.2 slot.  I had been
thinking about this one

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=supermicro+mbd+x10sll-f&N=-1&isNodeId=1

, but it doesn't have an m.2 slot.  And to back up a little, I want this
machine to be able to run FreeBSD 10.1 or 11.  Ideally it will have
a motherboard with an m.2 slot and I can boot the machine from the
m.2 ssd.  I'm wondering how to figure out if there are any mother-
boards like that out there now or that will be available soon.

I'm also not sure about selecting a power converter (aka a power supply).
What suggestions can you give me in these areas?  Thanks in advance.

-- 
Brian
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Mon Feb  2 03:29:58 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 03:29:58 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Server motherboards with an m.2 slot
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjubtVdbVBGsLK7r_1KQENequXPE50VjsqkbHkjKvCpqag@mail.gmail.com>
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This is one of those times I wish I could tell people "give me your 
budget +20% and I'll build you a server."

Server-grade boards tend not to incorporate new tech as fast as 
desktop-grade. And I really don't think you need an m.2 slot. If it's a 
server I don't think you really need an SSD to boot from, anyway. SHHD, 
maybe, but a spinny-disk is just fine.

Supermicro are not a brand I trust, and they're really the only way you're 
getting a server-grade board for under $200 and still be somewhat current.

A PSU is the ONE component you NEVER want to cheap-out on. Honestly when I 
build a machine the PSU is one of the most expensive components if not THE 
single most expensive components.

I've not put together an actual server build for under $1,500, by the way. 
Though I can easily do a desktop-acting-as-a-server for well under $1,000. 
All depends on what you need this machine to do.


On Mon, 2 Feb 2015, Brian Wood wrote:

> I've been thinking about building a new server lately.?? I'd like to find
> a server motherboard with an m.2 slot that's under $200.
> 
> This one
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Z97--DDR3-2600-Motherboards/dp/B00K2MAU5Q/ref=sr
> _1_38?ie=UTF8&qid=1422856362&sr=8-38&keywords=m.2+ssd
> 
> isn't a server motherboard, but it has an m.2 slot.? I had been
> thinking about this one
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BEST
> MATCH&Description=supermicro+mbd+x10sll-f&N=-1&isNodeId=1
> 
> , but it doesn't have an m.2 slot.? And to back up a little, I want this
> machine to be able to run FreeBSD 10.1 or 11.? Ideally it will have
> a motherboard with an m.2 slot and I can boot the machine from the
> m.2 ssd.? I'm wondering how to figure out if there are any mother-
> boards like that out there now or that will be available soon.
> 
> I'm also not sure about selecting a power converter (aka a power supply).?
> What suggestions can you give me in these areas?? Thanks in advance.
> 
> --
> Brian
> Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
> http://webEbenezer.net
> 
> 
>

From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Mon Feb  2 08:19:35 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 08:19:35 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Using a video camera with linux:
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W31BB51000E80D85E0613A3993C0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W100D6B595B006BDFF45AA8E993F0@phx.gbl> <, ,
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Message-ID: <C72D29B2-6D66-4E70-B559-6D277CD973AB@cwis.biz>

Foscam cameras are ONVIF compliant (BARELY).


But you are talking an EXTREMELY CHEAP and VERY POOR FUNCTIONING camera and wanting to do something that comes from something more expensive.

?
Ryan

> On Feb 1, 2015, at 11:31 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ryan, I have been reading through the Exacq manual. I came upon the integration page. Of all the companies on that page Foscam does not show up on the support page either. 
> 
> https://exacq.com/integration/ipcams/#changeStep=activate~nstep_id=#step-2 <https://exacq.com/integration/ipcams/#changeStep=activate~nstep_id=#step-2>
> 
> Shouldn't the Foscam be listed on page 9? What am I going to do at this point? This is looking like another dilemma on my end.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> ----
> paul g
> 
> 
> 
> From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 22:05:37 -0600
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Using a video camera with linux:
> 
> If you want a free recording platform look at Exacq. You get a single camera to try and it works with Linux.
> I use their OVA VM so I haven?t done the install.
> 
> You do not want to record security footage to SSD ever. You will kill the drive in less than a year.
> 
> 
> ?
> Ryan
> 
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 10:03 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com <mailto:pj.world at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> The camera is a Foscam FI8905W that's why I was researching on that link. I recall someone else had some sort of "video to ssd" project going a bit ago but I was not following it very closely which is unfortunate for me.
> 
> ----
> paul g
> 
> 
> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 21:49:53 -0600
> From: kellywilliams81 at gmail.com <mailto:kellywilliams81 at gmail.com>
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Using a video camera with linux:
> 
> whats the model of the camera
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz <mailto:ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>> wrote:
> YMMV who made the camera? 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 5:48 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com <mailto:pj.world at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I recently found a camera in the garbage can while I was searching for my dinner. I am wondering if anyone else has experience with cameras running on the Linux operating system? Currently I am interested in the report as found here by the link provided: --> http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/762058-how-to-operate-your-spycams-with-zoneminder-on-linux-part-1- <http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/762058-how-to-operate-your-spycams-with-zoneminder-on-linux-part-1->
> 
> Thank you for your unbridled time.
> 
> paul g 
> 
> Gobble Gobble, happy new year 
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Mon Feb  2 08:20:06 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 08:20:06 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
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Channel selection is 25% of the battle. Perhaps communication with your neighbors is needed at this point.


> On Feb 1, 2015, at 11:05 PM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, three non-overlapping 2.4ghz channels, I am quite familiar. Double channel width allows for greater bandwidth as well as greater exposure to noise/interference. I've picked up a few tidbits working on a 20,000 client wifi network in Minneapolis.
> 
> The problem is not just my own networks utilization, which can be problematic on its own, but also neighbors wifi (eg, poor channel selection) as well and of course the non-wifi conforming rf using devices.
> 
> If you have two clients that both associate to the same ap but can't see each other (rf-wise) then they step on each other when tx'ing which is more likely to happen when you have random transients on your ap connecting from random locations that are more likely to be further away. And of course increasing TX power on the ap doesn't help this specific condition as it is the clients' TX power that matters.
> 
> My point being there are more possible causes of issues as you add more variables and more clients. Inviting more rf usage to your vicinity strikes me as only increasing the possibility of issues.
> 
> As for the comcast specific component I don't have any experience directly with what they have or how it works as I don't use comcast. 
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Ryan Coleman
> Date:02/01/2015 9:16 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: TCLUG Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
> 
> An additional item of note: I must operate under the presumption you don?t know this ? 
> 
> There are 13 channels in the US available for 2.4GHz: 1-13.
> 
> Each channel is 10MHz apart.
> But each channel is 20MHz wide.
> 
> Therefore if you have something on channel 11 you can use channel 6 free and clear. Same with 1. But if you have anything strong on 2-5 and you?re on 1 or 4-9 and you?re on 6 you?re SOL. You will be bleeding and conflicting and upsetting your transceiver (aka AP).
> 
> ?
> ryan
> 
> 
>> On Feb 1, 2015, at 8:59 PM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz <mailto:ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>> wrote:
>> 
>> If you?re worried about it do a scan. Look where it is (1 6 or 11) and pick a different frequency.
>> 
>> Your RF concerns aren?t really that big, trust me, as you?re never going to push so much data over wifi that you need it. I?ve been designing, installing and configuring large-capacity private networks for years and residential usage (even by me - where my laptop does a lot of data and always on wifi) never comes close to utilizing the spectrum capabilities. Wi-Fi on it?s own is flawed, even beam-forming AC and N isn?t really full duplex - that?s not a spectrum issue but a design flaw. Some are better than others but most APs you would buy off the shelf don?t come with them. 
>> 
>> The best I?ve ever gotten off a 300Mbit link is about 110Mbit/sec (13MB/sec) and that was a dual-radio system (2 unique radios operating) going 75 feet over unobstructed space on 6GHz.
>> If you need speed Wi-Fi is not the way to go. If you need convenience and backup systems definitely.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 1, 2015, at 8:20 PM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com <mailto:jus at krytosvirus.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can't imagine the electricity cost is really noteworthy, especially if nobody is actually using it but even if they are, still I doubt it's too significant. I'd personally be more concerned with the rf spectrum usage. If someone is using more of the 2.4ghz bandwidth that might affect my own 2.4 ghz usage, that then directly affects my experience, regardless of the cable side of the bandwidth.
>>> 
>>> Just my own opinion / $.02
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Ryan Coleman
>>> Date:02/01/2015 5:09 PM (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 1, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Saul Alanis <sdalano at gmail.com <mailto:sdalano at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> I later learned about that whole BS which other Comcast customers could connect to my access point, and that's where I drew the line to a point.
>>>> 
>>> No, they couldn?t. I?m afraid you?ve remembered the wrong end of the setup being BS. Trust me - I use the xfinity_wifi SSIDs all the time. It?s a private pipe, you cannot talk to others? but they could sniff your traffic and you theirs. That?s the problem with unsecured Wi-Fi.
>>> 
>>> The part that is BS is that you have to PAY for the electricity at no discount in service. It doesn?t take away from your internet connection speed - just draws off your power bill. But you should also have a line-item discount on your serbice for hosting this extra configuration.
>>> You could have turned it off easily.
>>>> I bought a used modern off Craigslist and my performance problems where dissolved. I had the Comcast technicians out which said they need to be present during the issue, but when you call technical support all they can do is reset your modem :(
>>>> 
>>> This doesn?t surprise me. The only hardware Comcast has ever supplied that was worth the price (of free) is the business class equipment. And the customer service? Holy cow it makes a difference.
>>>> Sorry this is more of a rant than anything else.
>>>> 
>>>> I really hope for alternative service providers in Dakota County. I guess since not enough people are willing to speak up we'll always be undeserved for the services we pay with our hard earned money.
>>>> 
>>> That?s not how contracts and bidding works? What you need to do is convince a commissioner who needs to reach out to other providers. If they want competition you will end up paying for it in property taxes because the county will be footing the bill to get the prices lower? Wonderful, right?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 1, 2015 2:01 PM, "Ryan Coleman" <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz <mailto:ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>> wrote:
>>>> Which model modem did they bring?
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 1, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com <mailto:galanolwe at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Looking at the modem admin page, I saw that the errant T410 was only listed as its MAC address. Also, it was not listed as DHCP but always listed with a "Reserved IP" of 172.16.0.145 --which will not allow itself to be changed, even when I repeatedly try to choose DHCP and save. On a hunch, I changed (Ubuntu/Gnome) in the "IPv4 Settings" tab from "Automatic (DHCP) to "Automatic (DHCP) addresses only". Now it works . . . after a whole weekend of hair-tearing-out! Can anyone tell me why it wants to default to (won't change from) "Reserve IP"? And what did my changing to ". . . addresses only" do exactly?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sunday, February 1, 2015 1:43 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com <mailto:galanolwe at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I want to blame Comcast because these problems on the T410 don't appear when I use it on any other Wifi connection (I'll test again to make sure) -- and they don't even happen when Comcast gave us a loaner modem a few weeks ago! The new box is a dual 2.4/5.0 GHZ, while the loaner box was just 2.4 GHZ. On the new (and previous) 2.4/5.0 box I can't get any Internet logging into the 2.4, and the 5.0 connection gives me the aforesaid weirdness. There has been sporadic weirdness with other things too: Android devices tend to act up occasionally; an older Kindle has trouble getting online. I also tested this with the T410 on a straight ethernet connection to the modem -- same problems. To make it even more confusing, I tried Win8.1 on the T410 -- and it worked just fine. So if my T410/U14.10 works elsewhere AND with a different Comcast modem, gosh, it must be some very weird clash with the 2.4/5.0 Comcast modem and my T410/U14.10. Also, my Thinkpad X201 used to have weirdness, but it settled down and seems to work now. That's another wrinkle to this, problems come and go. For a long time we'd get Internet AFTER we waited 10 minutes or so after Wifi login, sometimes even with ethernet. But again, like I say, my older T61/U14.10 works fine. The only explanation I can think of is that the Comcast 2.4/5.0 modem and U14.10's network software don't like each other when U14.10 is installed on my T410. Just for laughs, I should get a non-Debian Linux version or even BSD for my T410 and see what happens.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sunday, February 1, 2015 11:32 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz <mailto:ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>  My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness. 
>>>>> So it?s your laptop not Comcast.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It?s amazing who quickly people blame their ISP when only one device on the network has issues.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I suspect something is RFU with your firewall (UFW).
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com <mailto:galanolwe at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Still having problems with my Comcast Internet service. Now it looks like my U14.10 Thinkpad 410 connection (wire or w-less) won't do ssh (no route to host), won't give me most web pages, but, amazingly, will connect with gmail, YouTube, and Wikipedia. Also, I can do software updates and synaptic. My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> LB
>>>>>> Grand Marais (in spirit)
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Mon Feb  2 08:22:36 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 08:22:36 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Server motherboards with an m.2 slot
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502020318140.17315@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <CABWFOjubtVdbVBGsLK7r_1KQENequXPE50VjsqkbHkjKvCpqag@mail.gmail.com>
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I?ve purchased nothing but SuperMicro for my VM servers for the last 6 years. I would go no other way.

My board? $800. Dual CPU, 8 DIMMs.

YMMV on cheap boards but if you just want something basic I would get the APU boards that NetGate is importing - and it has your M2. And is $200.


> On Feb 2, 2015, at 3:29 AM, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Supermicro are not a brand I trust, and they're really the only way you're getting a server-grade board for under $200 and still be somewhat current.

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From jus at krytosvirus.com  Mon Feb  2 08:58:21 2015
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 08:58:21 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
Message-ID: <0ixi0ws7okwg7ntoch55yhkg.1422889097376@email.android.com>

Yes and no. It would be nice to coordinate with the neighbors but then maybe their position puts their new channel that is good for me is now bad for them or bad for their neighbors further down so if I am gently forcing them I would feel obligated to travel down the neighborhood doing channel planning. This is not something I am too keen on doing especially given that my actual wlan performance is generally fine, particularly given that I mostly use 5ghz which is mostly quiet in my immediate vicinity. I can only see one neighbor also using 5ghz so I chose a distant channel from theirs, assuming auto channel selection is not turned on in their ap; for the last several months I've never seen them change channels.?




<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> </div><div>Date:02/02/2015  8:20 AM  (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> </div><div>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems </div><div>
</div>Channel selection is 25% of the battle. Perhaps communication with your neighbors is needed at this point.


On Feb 1, 2015, at 11:05 PM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:

Yes, three non-overlapping 2.4ghz channels, I am quite familiar. Double channel width allows for greater bandwidth as well as greater exposure to noise/interference. I've picked up a few tidbits working on a 20,000 client wifi network in Minneapolis.

The problem is not just my own networks utilization, which can be problematic on its own, but also neighbors wifi (eg, poor channel selection) as well and of course the non-wifi conforming rf using devices.

If you have two clients that both associate to the same ap but can't see each other (rf-wise) then they step on each other when tx'ing which is more likely to happen when you have random transients on your ap connecting from random locations that are more likely to be further away. And of course increasing TX power on the ap doesn't help this specific condition as it is the clients' TX power that matters.

My point being there are more possible causes of issues as you add more variables and more clients. Inviting more rf usage to your vicinity strikes me as only increasing the possibility of issues.

As for the comcast specific component I don't have any experience directly with what they have or how it works as I don't use comcast. 



-------- Original message --------
From: Ryan Coleman
Date:02/01/2015 9:16 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: TCLUG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems

An additional item of note: I must operate under the presumption you don?t know this ? 

There are 13 channels in the US available for 2.4GHz: 1-13.

Each channel is 10MHz apart.
But each channel is 20MHz wide.

Therefore if you have something on channel 11 you can use channel 6 free and clear. Same with 1. But if you have anything strong on 2-5 and you?re on 1 or 4-9 and you?re on 6 you?re SOL. You will be bleeding and conflicting and upsetting your transceiver (aka AP).

?
ryan


On Feb 1, 2015, at 8:59 PM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:

If you?re worried about it do a scan. Look where it is (1 6 or 11) and pick a different frequency.

Your RF concerns aren?t really that big, trust me, as you?re never going to push so much data over wifi that you need it. I?ve been designing, installing and configuring large-capacity private networks for years and residential usage (even by me - where my laptop does a lot of data and always on wifi) never comes close to utilizing the spectrum capabilities. Wi-Fi on it?s own is flawed, even beam-forming AC and N isn?t really full duplex - that?s not a spectrum issue but a design flaw. Some are better than others but most APs you would buy off the shelf don?t come with them. 

The best I?ve ever gotten off a 300Mbit link is about 110Mbit/sec (13MB/sec) and that was a dual-radio system (2 unique radios operating) going 75 feet over unobstructed space on 6GHz.
If you need speed Wi-Fi is not the way to go. If you need convenience and backup systems definitely.



On Feb 1, 2015, at 8:20 PM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:

I can't imagine the electricity cost is really noteworthy, especially if nobody is actually using it but even if they are, still I doubt it's too significant. I'd personally be more concerned with the rf spectrum usage. If someone is using more of the 2.4ghz bandwidth that might affect my own 2.4 ghz usage, that then directly affects my experience, regardless of the cable side of the bandwidth.

Just my own opinion / $.02


-------- Original message --------
From: Ryan Coleman
Date:02/01/2015 5:09 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: TCLUG Mailing List
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems


On Feb 1, 2015, at 2:17 PM, Saul Alanis <sdalano at gmail.com> wrote:
I later learned about that whole BS which other Comcast customers could connect to my access point, and that's where I drew the line to a point.

No, they couldn?t. I?m afraid you?ve remembered the wrong end of the setup being BS. Trust me - I use the xfinity_wifi SSIDs all the time. It?s a private pipe, you cannot talk to others? but they could sniff your traffic and you theirs. That?s the problem with unsecured Wi-Fi.

The part that is BS is that you have to PAY for the electricity at no discount in service. It doesn?t take away from your internet connection speed - just draws off your power bill. But you should also have a line-item discount on your serbice for hosting this extra configuration.
You could have turned it off easily.
I bought a used modern off Craigslist and my performance problems where dissolved. I had the Comcast technicians out which said they need to be present during the issue, but when you call technical support all they can do is reset your modem :(

This doesn?t surprise me. The only hardware Comcast has ever supplied that was worth the price (of free) is the business class equipment. And the customer service? Holy cow it makes a difference.
Sorry this is more of a rant than anything else.

I really hope for alternative service providers in Dakota County. I guess since not enough people are willing to speak up we'll always be undeserved for the services we pay with our hard earned money.

That?s not how contracts and bidding works? What you need to do is convince a commissioner who needs to reach out to other providers. If they want competition you will end up paying for it in property taxes because the county will be footing the bill to get the prices lower? Wonderful, right?


On Feb 1, 2015 2:01 PM, "Ryan Coleman" <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
Which model modem did they bring?

On Feb 1, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:

Looking at the modem admin page, I saw that the errant T410 was only listed as its MAC address. Also, it was not listed as DHCP but always listed with a "Reserved IP" of 172.16.0.145 --which will not allow itself to be changed, even when I repeatedly try to choose DHCP and save. On a hunch, I changed (Ubuntu/Gnome) in the "IPv4 Settings" tab from "Automatic (DHCP) to "Automatic (DHCP) addresses only". Now it works . . . after a whole weekend of hair-tearing-out! Can anyone tell me why it wants to default to (won't change from) "Reserve IP"? And what did my changing to ". . . addresses only" do exactly?

Thanks.


On Sunday, February 1, 2015 1:43 PM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:


I want to blame Comcast because these problems on the T410 don't appear when I use it on any other Wifi connection (I'll test again to make sure) -- and they don't even happen when Comcast gave us a loaner modem a few weeks ago! The new box is a dual 2.4/5.0 GHZ, while the loaner box was just 2.4 GHZ. On the new (and previous) 2.4/5.0 box I can't get any Internet logging into the 2.4, and the 5.0 connection gives me the aforesaid weirdness. There has been sporadic weirdness with other things too: Android devices tend to act up occasionally; an older Kindle has trouble getting online. I also tested this with the T410 on a straight ethernet connection to the modem -- same problems. To make it even more confusing, I tried Win8.1 on the T410 -- and it worked just fine. So if my T410/U14.10 works elsewhere AND with a different Comcast modem, gosh, it must be some very weird clash with the 2.4/5.0 Comcast modem and my T410/U14.10. Also, my Thinkpad X201 used to have weirdness, but it settled down and seems to work now. That's another wrinkle to this, problems come and go. For a long time we'd get Internet AFTER we waited 10 minutes or so after Wifi login, sometimes even with ethernet. But again, like I say, my older T61/U14.10 works fine. The only explanation I can think of is that the Comcast 2.4/5.0 modem and U14.10's network software don't like each other when U14.10 is installed on my T410. Just for laughs, I should get a non-Debian Linux version or even BSD for my T410 and see what happens.


On Sunday, February 1, 2015 11:32 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:


 My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness.
So it?s your laptop not Comcast.

It?s amazing who quickly people blame their ISP when only one device on the network has issues.

I suspect something is RFU with your firewall (UFW).

On Feb 1, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Olwe Bottorff <galanolwe at yahoo.com> wrote:

Still having problems with my Comcast Internet service. Now it looks like my U14.10 Thinkpad 410 connection (wire or w-less) won't do ssh (no route to host), won't give me most web pages, but, amazingly, will connect with gmail, YouTube, and Wikipedia. Also, I can do software updates and synaptic. My Thinkpad T61 (also Ubuntu 14.10) works fine with no weirdness.

LB
Grand Marais (in spirit)
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Mon Feb  2 09:06:42 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 09:06:42 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
In-Reply-To: <0ixi0ws7okwg7ntoch55yhkg.1422889097376@email.android.com>
References: <0ixi0ws7okwg7ntoch55yhkg.1422889097376@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <3BD429F1-58CB-4D7F-BA60-A55F312D1E37@cwis.biz>

That?s overkill? Your signals outside of the superstructure are pointless in planning.

As for 5GHz stick to the low channels, they don?t do well outside and they?re underpowered for that purpose. If someone is using those channels outside they could get nicked by the FCC - it?s not pretty when it happens (personal experience).


> On Feb 2, 2015, at 8:58 AM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes and no. It would be nice to coordinate with the neighbors but then maybe their position puts their new channel that is good for me is now bad for them or bad for their neighbors further down so if I am gently forcing them I would feel obligated to travel down the neighborhood doing channel planning. This is not something I am too keen on doing especially given that my actual wlan performance is generally fine, particularly given that I mostly use 5ghz which is mostly quiet in my immediate vicinity. I can only see one neighbor also using 5ghz so I chose a distant channel from theirs, assuming auto channel selection is not turned on in their ap; for the last several months I've never seen them change channels. 
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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Mon Feb  2 13:34:18 2015
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 13:34:18 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] bluetooth w/softphone
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9AOf_ZkEFq=j-SNLf5=hDr4+TAm4RQtQBTiMP-6+ufXHw@mail.gmail.com>

>
> does anyone anywhere on any distro have bluetooth working with a
> softphone?  i had it working in saucy in early 2014, still looking for a
> working setup since..
>

in vivid, i've gotten bluetooth working via firefox/gmail/chatsettings,
both with and without pulseaudio installed.  yay!  oddly tho, playing of
the googlevoice voicemails does not work via bluetooth.  i've even
redefined pcm.!default, pcm.!front, pcm.!dmix, pcm.!hw, et al.  actually
there was a moment, after i'd purged pulseaudio&libpulsedsp but before
rebooting, when a voicemail *did* play via bluetooth, but at that moment, a
gmail phone call would *not* work via bluetooth.  perhaps at that moment
pulseaudio files were gone but the pulseaudio process was still running?
who knows.  anybody with an epiphany how to have both the calls and
voicemails via bluetooth?  my best guess:  perhaps more likely to get it
working in archbang.
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From admin at lctn.org  Mon Feb  2 15:32:50 2015
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 15:32:50 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tools to recover usb drive
In-Reply-To: <54C6560B.702@lctn.org>
References: <54C6560B.702@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <54CFED02.2000807@lctn.org>

Nothing recommended has worked. What are some recommendations for 
companies that may be able to recover the data on the usb drive?



On 01/26/2015 08:58 AM, Raymond Norton wrote:
> Trying to help a friend out with a usb drive that shows up under 
> lsusb, but does not show up as a storage device. (was working)
>
> lsusb: Bus 001 Device 005: ID 090c:3000 Silicon Motion, Inc. - Taiwan 
> (formerly Feiya Technology Corp.)
>
>
> Chip info: Hynix H27UBGBT2BIR BC 113AA
>
> In very small print, possibly M1VKR016JJ (don't have magnify glass)
>
> What linux tools or methods might be available to try and get the 
> device to show up as a storage device?
>

-- 
Raymond Norton
LCTN
952.955.7766


From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Mon Feb  2 15:53:03 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 15:53:03 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tools to recover usb drive
In-Reply-To: <54CFED02.2000807@lctn.org>
References: <54C6560B.702@lctn.org> <54CFED02.2000807@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <48393F7A-3ECF-4DA1-AFBA-C3139524C01B@cwis.biz>

I use a slew of programs but your first bet is to DD the drive and work from there.


> On Feb 2, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> wrote:
> 
> Nothing recommended has worked. What are some recommendations for companies that may be able to recover the data on the usb drive?
> 
> 
> 
> On 01/26/2015 08:58 AM, Raymond Norton wrote:
>> Trying to help a friend out with a usb drive that shows up under lsusb, but does not show up as a storage device. (was working)
>> 
>> lsusb: Bus 001 Device 005: ID 090c:3000 Silicon Motion, Inc. - Taiwan (formerly Feiya Technology Corp.)
>> 
>> 
>> Chip info: Hynix H27UBGBT2BIR BC 113AA
>> 
>> In very small print, possibly M1VKR016JJ (don't have magnify glass)
>> 
>> What linux tools or methods might be available to try and get the device to show up as a storage device?
>> 
> 
> -- 
> Raymond Norton
> LCTN
> 952.955.7766
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Mon Feb  2 15:53:35 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 15:53:35 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tools to recover usb drive
In-Reply-To: <48393F7A-3ECF-4DA1-AFBA-C3139524C01B@cwis.biz>
References: <54C6560B.702@lctn.org> <54CFED02.2000807@lctn.org>
 <48393F7A-3ECF-4DA1-AFBA-C3139524C01B@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <D4784BC9-9143-4F71-8B97-D40AADC74522@cwis.biz>

@#%@#% @#$%!@#$ #^&$% #$^$@#!

I read this thread all the way through yesterday and then I forgot it. IGNORE MY LAST MESSAGE!

Thanks! :)


> On Feb 2, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
> 
> I use a slew of programs but your first bet is to DD the drive and work from there.
> 
> 
>> On Feb 2, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Nothing recommended has worked. What are some recommendations for companies that may be able to recover the data on the usb drive?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 01/26/2015 08:58 AM, Raymond Norton wrote:
>>> Trying to help a friend out with a usb drive that shows up under lsusb, but does not show up as a storage device. (was working)
>>> 
>>> lsusb: Bus 001 Device 005: ID 090c:3000 Silicon Motion, Inc. - Taiwan (formerly Feiya Technology Corp.)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chip info: Hynix H27UBGBT2BIR BC 113AA
>>> 
>>> In very small print, possibly M1VKR016JJ (don't have magnify glass)
>>> 
>>> What linux tools or methods might be available to try and get the device to show up as a storage device?
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Raymond Norton
>> LCTN
>> 952.955.7766
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 


From pj.world at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  2 15:59:35 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 15:59:35 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Using a video camera with linux:
In-Reply-To: <C72D29B2-6D66-4E70-B559-6D277CD973AB@cwis.biz>
References: <BAY168-W100D6B595B006BDFF45AA8E993F0@phx.gbl> <, ,,>
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 <BDC43817-AD5F-4CF5-83C3-B4492663255D@cwis.biz>,
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Message-ID: <BAY168-W1318BC7E9A3C482078CA1D6993C0@phx.gbl>

Thank you for your reply Ryan. I was unaware of the ONVIF compliant rating system on surveillance cameras. Perhaps that is why I found the Foscam unit while looking for dinner. Anyway, it seems like running even 1 camera with a virtual appliance is pretty taxing on the computer hardware. The most powerful desktop I have right now is a core 2 duo with 3 gigs of ram. I'm going to have to figure something out on my end here.

Thanks,

----
paul g

From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 08:19:35 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Using a video camera with linux:

Foscam cameras are ONVIF compliant (BARELY).

But you are talking an EXTREMELY CHEAP and VERY POOR FUNCTIONING camera and wanting to do something that comes from something more expensive.
?Ryan
On Feb 1, 2015, at 11:31 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:Ryan, I have been reading through the Exacq manual. I came upon the integration page. Of all the companies on that page Foscam does not show up on the support page either. 

https://exacq.com/integration/ipcams/#changeStep=activate~nstep_id=#step-2

Shouldn't the Foscam be listed on page 9? What am I going to do at this point? This is looking like another dilemma on my end.

thanks,

----
paul g



From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 22:05:37 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Using a video camera with linux:

If you want a free recording platform look at Exacq. You get a single camera to try and it works with Linux.I use their OVA VM so I haven?t done the install.
You do not want to record security footage to SSD ever. You will kill the drive in less than a year.

?Ryan
On Feb 1, 2015, at 10:03 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:The camera is a Foscam FI8905W that's why I was researching on that link. I recall someone else had some sort of "video to ssd" project going a bit ago but I was not following it very closely which is unfortunate for me.

----
paul g


Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 21:49:53 -0600
From: kellywilliams81 at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Using a video camera with linux:

whats the model of the camera


On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
YMMV who made the camera? 


On Feb 1, 2015, at 5:48 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi, I recently found a camera in the garbage can while I was searching for my dinner. I am wondering if anyone else has experience with cameras running on the Linux operating system? Currently I am interested in the report as found here by the link provided: --> http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/762058-how-to-operate-your-spycams-with-zoneminder-on-linux-part-1-

Thank you for your unbridled time.

paul g 

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From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 16:03:18 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Using a video camera with linux:
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So you download and install the linux server? and run it natively? 

All video cameras are taxing on the hardware. You can?t get around it. My day job partially involves monitoring and maintaining the 10 recording servers for one of the top 10 districts in the state?

10 recorders.
1000 cameras.
$500,000 in hardware.

Worth every penny. Video isn?t cheap.

> On Feb 2, 2015, at 3:59 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you for your reply Ryan. I was unaware of the ONVIF compliant rating system on surveillance cameras. Perhaps that is why I found the Foscam unit while looking for dinner. Anyway, it seems like running even 1 camera with a virtual appliance is pretty taxing on the computer hardware. The most powerful desktop I have right now is a core 2 duo with 3 gigs of ram. I'm going to have to figure something out on my end here.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> ----
> paul g
> 
> From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz <mailto:ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>
> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 08:19:35 -0600
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Using a video camera with linux:
> 
> Foscam cameras are ONVIF compliant (BARELY).
> 
> 
> But you are talking an EXTREMELY CHEAP and VERY POOR FUNCTIONING camera and wanting to do something that comes from something more expensive.
> 
> ?
> Ryan
> 
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 11:31 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com <mailto:pj.world at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Ryan, I have been reading through the Exacq manual. I came upon the integration page. Of all the companies on that page Foscam does not show up on the support page either. 
> 
> https://exacq.com/integration/ipcams/#changeStep=activate~nstep_id=#step-2 <https://exacq.com/integration/ipcams/#changeStep=activate~nstep_id=%23step-2>
> 
> Shouldn't the Foscam be listed on page 9? What am I going to do at this point? This is looking like another dilemma on my end.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> ----
> paul g
> 
> 
> 
> From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz <mailto:ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>
> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 22:05:37 -0600
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Using a video camera with linux:
> 
> If you want a free recording platform look at Exacq. You get a single camera to try and it works with Linux.
> I use their OVA VM so I haven?t done the install.
> 
> You do not want to record security footage to SSD ever. You will kill the drive in less than a year.
> 
> 
> ?
> Ryan
> 
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 10:03 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com <mailto:pj.world at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> The camera is a Foscam FI8905W that's why I was researching on that link. I recall someone else had some sort of "video to ssd" project going a bit ago but I was not following it very closely which is unfortunate for me.
> 
> ----
> paul g
> 
> 
> Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 21:49:53 -0600
> From: kellywilliams81 at gmail.com <mailto:kellywilliams81 at gmail.com>
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Using a video camera with linux:
> 
> whats the model of the camera
> 
> 
> On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz <mailto:ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>> wrote:
> YMMV who made the camera? 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 1, 2015, at 5:48 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com <mailto:pj.world at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I recently found a camera in the garbage can while I was searching for my dinner. I am wondering if anyone else has experience with cameras running on the Linux operating system? Currently I am interested in the report as found here by the link provided: --> http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/762058-how-to-operate-your-spycams-with-zoneminder-on-linux-part-1- <http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/762058-how-to-operate-your-spycams-with-zoneminder-on-linux-part-1->
> 
> Thank you for your unbridled time.
> 
> paul g 
> 
> Gobble Gobble, happy new year 
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  2 17:20:59 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 17:20:59 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Using a video camera with linux:
In-Reply-To: <EF3A74CA-112B-467C-9638-91C43011E7B6@cwis.biz>
References: <BAY168-W100D6B595B006BDFF45AA8E993F0@phx.gbl> <, , ,,>
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Ryan, when you stated ''download and install the linux server and run it natively''. 

1. Does that mean I can do something here on my end as far as not needing to use install VMware at all? I really would prefer to have a designated Computer/Server operating the Exacq appliance shown in the owners manual. The Exacq appliance appears to be running Ubuntu 12.04 or something like that. 

Granted, I did not spend alot of time reading the manual 'about an hour' though I did 'skim' over the entire manual. 

2. I found an add for a computer costing 80.00 and I am wondering if this would be a good server candidate? --> http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/dak/sys/4873122693.html

Thanks for your time,

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paul g

From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 16:03:18 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Using a video camera with linux:

So you download and install the linux server? and run it natively? 
All video cameras are taxing on the hardware. You can?t get around it. My day job partially involves monitoring and maintaining the 10 recording servers for one of the top 10 districts in the state?
10 recorders.1000 cameras.$500,000 in hardware.
Worth every penny. Video isn?t cheap.
On Feb 2, 2015, at 3:59 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:Thank you for your reply Ryan. I was unaware of the ONVIF compliant rating system on surveillance cameras. Perhaps that is why I found the Foscam unit while looking for dinner. Anyway, it seems like running even 1 camera with a virtual appliance is pretty taxing on the computer hardware. The most powerful desktop I have right now is a core 2 duo with 3 gigs of ram. I'm going to have to figure something out on my end here.

Thanks,

----
paul g

From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 08:19:35 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Using a video camera with linux:

Foscam cameras are ONVIF compliant (BARELY).

But you are talking an EXTREMELY CHEAP and VERY POOR FUNCTIONING camera and wanting to do something that comes from something more expensive.
?Ryan
On Feb 1, 2015, at 11:31 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:Ryan, I have been reading through the Exacq manual. I came upon the integration page. Of all the companies on that page Foscam does not show up on the support page either. 

https://exacq.com/integration/ipcams/#changeStep=activate~nstep_id=#step-2

Shouldn't the Foscam be listed on page 9? What am I going to do at this point? This is looking like another dilemma on my end.

thanks,

----
paul g



From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 22:05:37 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Using a video camera with linux:

If you want a free recording platform look at Exacq. You get a single camera to try and it works with Linux.I use their OVA VM so I haven?t done the install.
You do not want to record security footage to SSD ever. You will kill the drive in less than a year.

?Ryan
On Feb 1, 2015, at 10:03 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:The camera is a Foscam FI8905W that's why I was researching on that link. I recall someone else had some sort of "video to ssd" project going a bit ago but I was not following it very closely which is unfortunate for me.

----
paul g


Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 21:49:53 -0600
From: kellywilliams81 at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Using a video camera with linux:

whats the model of the camera


On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
YMMV who made the camera? 


On Feb 1, 2015, at 5:48 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi, I recently found a camera in the garbage can while I was searching for my dinner. I am wondering if anyone else has experience with cameras running on the Linux operating system? Currently I am interested in the report as found here by the link provided: --> http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/762058-how-to-operate-your-spycams-with-zoneminder-on-linux-part-1-

Thank you for your unbridled time.

paul g 

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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  2 18:34:59 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 18:34:59 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Mint Questions
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I've gathered that Linux Mint Rebecca == Ubuntu Utopic Unicorn, is that correct?

I
 do not believe that is correct as the difference between Mint Rebecca 
17.1 and the Mint 17 Qiana is only Compiz and something else 'fancy 
graphical' for Cinnamon or Mate desktop comes Pre-installed if you look 
at the release notes for Rebecca 17.1 I think there appears to be a 
'bug' in lvm where Qiana does not have the problem. I dunno if it has 
been fixed as of yet for Rebecca 17.1.

Mint Rebecca 17.1 <-- 
which is an LTS Same as Mint 17 Qiana initally using the 3.13 kernel. 
Same as Trusty-Tahr sorta because Trusty-Tahr is an LTS. 

Utopic 
Unicorn also is not an LTS supported distro. So it's most likely only up
 for 6 months of support similar to what was going on with Mint 16.

I have not looked into Utopic Unicorn a whole lot just read a couple brief articles concerning the distro.

If
 this helps there has been success with cross+distro repo usage between 
anything from Mint 13 to Mint 17 and Ubuntu 12.04 to Ubuntu 14.04 n vise versa. Except an issue that has arose at least for me is 'adding-keys' on Mint 13 seems impossible now same as adding keys on a '10.04' machine. Somewhere along the line the ability to add keys became impossible on either machine running MINT 13 or Ubuntu 10.04. When never even adding odd/off topic ppas.I have no experience using Ubuntu 12.04. 

I hope this helps answer a bit of your questions. I will research a bit more.

Thanks,

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From sdalano at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 18:52:59 2015
From: sdalano at gmail.com (Saul Alanis)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 18:52:59 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Mint Questions
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Thank you Paul for the great response. :)

Today at work I posted the question to a Debian user. Their response was
that there should be no major difference between Ubuntu and Mint repos. If
I point the script to a Mint repo, really the outcome should be the same.
I'll be working on that a little bit here in the next few days, so we'll
find out.

SDA
On Feb 2, 2015 6:35 PM, "paul g" <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  I've gathered that Linux Mint Rebecca == Ubuntu Utopic Unicorn, is that
> correct?
>
> I do not believe that is correct as the difference between Mint Rebecca
> 17.1 and the Mint 17 Qiana is only Compiz and something else 'fancy
> graphical' for Cinnamon or Mate desktop comes Pre-installed if you look at
> the release notes for Rebecca 17.1 I think there appears to be a 'bug' in
> lvm where Qiana does not have the problem. I dunno if it has been fixed as
> of yet for Rebecca 17.1.
>
> Mint Rebecca 17.1 <-- which is an LTS Same as Mint 17 Qiana initally using
> the 3.13 kernel. Same as Trusty-Tahr sorta because Trusty-Tahr is an LTS.
>
> Utopic Unicorn also is not an LTS supported distro. So it's most likely
> only up for 6 months of support similar to what was going on with Mint 16.
>
> I have not looked into Utopic Unicorn a whole lot just read a couple brief
> articles concerning the distro.
>
> If this helps there has been success with cross+distro repo usage between
> anything from Mint 13 to Mint 17 and Ubuntu 12.04 to Ubuntu 14.04 n vise
> versa. Except an issue that has arose at least for me is 'adding-keys' on
> Mint 13 seems impossible now same as adding keys on a '10.04' machine.
> Somewhere along the line the ability to add keys became impossible on
> either machine running MINT 13 or Ubuntu 10.04. When never even adding
> odd/off topic ppas.I have no experience using Ubuntu 12.04.
>
> I hope this helps answer a bit of your questions. I will research a bit
> more.
>
> Thanks,
>
> ----
> paul g
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From jus at krytosvirus.com  Mon Feb  2 20:36:07 2015
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 20:36:07 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Mint Questions
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Most of the base system is the same. If you watch the package downloads during various apt-get's in mint you'll see them coming from Ubuntu mirrors. You should be fine as long as you match the mint release to the Ubuntu release that your mint version is based from.




<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Saul Alanis <sdalano at gmail.com> </div><div>Date:02/02/2015  6:52 PM  (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> </div><div>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Linux Mint Questions </div><div>
</div>Thank you Paul for the great response. :)

Today at work I posted the question to a Debian user. Their response was that there should be no major difference between Ubuntu and Mint repos. If I point the script to a Mint repo, really the outcome should be the same. I'll be working on that a little bit here in the next few days, so we'll find out.

SDA

On Feb 2, 2015 6:35 PM, "paul g" <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
I've gathered that Linux Mint Rebecca == Ubuntu Utopic Unicorn, is that correct?

I do not believe that is correct as the difference between Mint Rebecca 17.1 and the Mint 17 Qiana is only Compiz and something else 'fancy graphical' for Cinnamon or Mate desktop comes Pre-installed if you look at the release notes for Rebecca 17.1 I think there appears to be a 'bug' in lvm where Qiana does not have the problem. I dunno if it has been fixed as of yet for Rebecca 17.1.

Mint Rebecca 17.1 <-- which is an LTS Same as Mint 17 Qiana initally using the 3.13 kernel. Same as Trusty-Tahr sorta because Trusty-Tahr is an LTS. 

Utopic Unicorn also is not an LTS supported distro. So it's most likely only up for 6 months of support similar to what was going on with Mint 16.

I have not looked into Utopic Unicorn a whole lot just read a couple brief articles concerning the distro.

If this helps there has been success with cross+distro repo usage between anything from Mint 13 to Mint 17 and Ubuntu 12.04 to Ubuntu 14.04 n vise versa. Except an issue that has arose at least for me is 'adding-keys' on Mint 13 seems impossible now same as adding keys on a '10.04' machine. Somewhere along the line the ability to add keys became impossible on either machine running MINT 13 or Ubuntu 10.04. When never even adding odd/off topic ppas.I have no experience using Ubuntu 12.04. 

I hope this helps answer a bit of your questions. I will research a bit more.

Thanks,

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From sdalano at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 20:44:01 2015
From: sdalano at gmail.com (Saul Alanis)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 20:44:01 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Mint Questions
In-Reply-To: <so72080f2cypky24dlq87l4g.1422930962092@email.android.com>
References: <so72080f2cypky24dlq87l4g.1422930962092@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <CAPHnHUtBvrw-X2cQ1qNX5xgcppjKdw5Vnve-Eyi_j=G4O44OHg@mail.gmail.com>

On Feb 2, 2015 8:36 PM, "Justin Krejci" <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:
>
> Most of the base system is the same. >If you watch the package downloads
>during various apt-get's in mint you'll >see them coming from Ubuntu
mirrors.

>You should be fine as long as you >match the mint release to the Ubuntu
>release that your mint version is based >from.

Thanks Justin. That was one of my original questions partly answered by
Paul :)

Mint is pretty good so far. The only thing that I tested once and stopped
working after was the built in Webcam, but that's another topic.

>
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Saul Alanis
> Date:02/02/2015 6:52 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: TCLUG Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Linux Mint Questions
>
> Thank you Paul for the great response. :)
>
> Today at work I posted the question to a Debian user. Their response was
that there should be no major difference between Ubuntu and Mint repos. If
I point the script to a Mint repo, really the outcome should be the same.
I'll be working on that a little bit here in the next few days, so we'll
find out.
>
> SDA
>
> On Feb 2, 2015 6:35 PM, "paul g" <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I've gathered that Linux Mint Rebecca == Ubuntu Utopic Unicorn, is that
correct?
>>
>> I do not believe that is correct as the difference between Mint Rebecca
17.1 and the Mint 17 Qiana is only Compiz and something else 'fancy
graphical' for Cinnamon or Mate desktop comes Pre-installed if you look at
the release notes for Rebecca 17.1 I think there appears to be a 'bug' in
lvm where Qiana does not have the problem. I dunno if it has been fixed as
of yet for Rebecca 17.1.
>>
>> Mint Rebecca 17.1 <-- which is an LTS Same as Mint 17 Qiana initally
using the 3.13 kernel. Same as Trusty-Tahr sorta because Trusty-Tahr is an
LTS.
>>
>> Utopic Unicorn also is not an LTS supported distro. So it's most likely
only up for 6 months of support similar to what was going on with Mint 16.
>>
>> I have not looked into Utopic Unicorn a whole lot just read a couple
brief articles concerning the distro.
>>
>> If this helps there has been success with cross+distro repo usage
between anything from Mint 13 to Mint 17 and Ubuntu 12.04 to Ubuntu 14.04 n
vise versa. Except an issue that has arose at least for me is 'adding-keys'
on Mint 13 seems impossible now same as adding keys on a '10.04' machine.
Somewhere along the line the ability to add keys became impossible on
either machine running MINT 13 or Ubuntu 10.04. When never even adding
odd/off topic ppas.I have no experience using Ubuntu 12.04.
>>
>> I hope this helps answer a bit of your questions. I will research a bit
more.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> ----
>> paul g
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  2 22:08:01 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 22:08:01 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Linux Mint Questions
In-Reply-To: <CAPHnHUtBvrw-X2cQ1qNX5xgcppjKdw5Vnve-Eyi_j=G4O44OHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <so72080f2cypky24dlq87l4g.1422930962092@email.android.com>,
 <CAPHnHUtBvrw-X2cQ1qNX5xgcppjKdw5Vnve-Eyi_j=G4O44OHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W101E54562B00F0E6D407B6B993D0@phx.gbl>

>From the for/or instance 'Bash' command line running a 'Linux Mint' based operating system: 'inxi' scripts are available to show you what is currently active on the/that particular machine. For instance command -: inxi -r will show the ACTIVE repositories. I have myself found failure of the -: inxi -G script 'via Bash' terminal command to properly label the active video card as active after I downgraded from the 3.16 kernel and reverted back to the 3.13 kernel on Qiana when the particular video driver was still not using the video cards' full GLX capabilities. Then of course one/entity/user would simply reapply/run the provisioned video driver first stopping the necessary mdm/and-or desktop service by entering tty2 or something like that terminal. If you do note on a Mint 17 Qiana based machine there is a Tor package available for download within Synaptic Package Manager. I have not personally tried utilizing the Tor utility recently but I do claim to have had 'Tor' running on Dapper Drake equipped device at one point in time; alas quite slow but usable. 

SDM would you consider opening up a topic on webcams? I do have a Logitech 5000 something or other webcam that works properly with cheese and even kopete of course this is a post that you started so pay no attention to the following sentence. Best yet I do apologize for possibly adding more confusion to anything considering the above.

Thank you for your time,

----
paul g

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 20:44:01 -0600
From: sdalano at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Linux Mint Questions



On Feb 2, 2015 8:36 PM, "Justin Krejci" <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:

>

> Most of the base system is the same. >If you watch the package downloads >during various apt-get's in mint you'll >see them coming from Ubuntu mirrors.
>You should be fine as long as you >match the mint release to the Ubuntu >release that your mint version is based >from.
Thanks Justin. That was one of my original questions partly answered by Paul :)
Mint is pretty good so far. The only thing that I tested once and stopped working after was the built in Webcam, but that's another topic.
>

>

>

>

> -------- Original message --------

> From: Saul Alanis

> Date:02/02/2015 6:52 PM (GMT-06:00)

> To: TCLUG Mailing List

> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Linux Mint Questions

>

> Thank you Paul for the great response. :)

>

> Today at work I posted the question to a Debian user. Their response was that there should be no major difference between Ubuntu and Mint repos. If I point the script to a Mint repo, really the outcome should be the same. I'll be working on that a little bit here in the next few days, so we'll find out.

>

> SDA

>

> On Feb 2, 2015 6:35 PM, "paul g" <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:

>>

>> I've gathered that Linux Mint Rebecca == Ubuntu Utopic Unicorn, is that correct?

>>

>> I do not believe that is correct as the difference between Mint Rebecca 17.1 and the Mint 17 Qiana is only Compiz and something else 'fancy graphical' for Cinnamon or Mate desktop comes Pre-installed if you look at the release notes for Rebecca 17.1 I think there appears to be a 'bug' in lvm where Qiana does not have the problem. I dunno if it has been fixed as of yet for Rebecca 17.1.

>>

>> Mint Rebecca 17.1 <-- which is an LTS Same as Mint 17 Qiana initally using the 3.13 kernel. Same as Trusty-Tahr sorta because Trusty-Tahr is an LTS. 

>>

>> Utopic Unicorn also is not an LTS supported distro. So it's most likely only up for 6 months of support similar to what was going on with Mint 16.

>>

>> I have not looked into Utopic Unicorn a whole lot just read a couple brief articles concerning the distro.

>>

>> If this helps there has been success with cross+distro repo usage between anything from Mint 13 to Mint 17 and Ubuntu 12.04 to Ubuntu 14.04 n vise versa. Except an issue that has arose at least for me is 'adding-keys' on Mint 13 seems impossible now same as adding keys on a '10.04' machine. Somewhere along the line the ability to add keys became impossible on either machine running MINT 13 or Ubuntu 10.04. When never even adding odd/off topic ppas.I have no experience using Ubuntu 12.04. 

>>

>> I hope this helps answer a bit of your questions. I will research a bit more.

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>> ----

>> paul g

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> ________________________________

>>

>>

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From kenlynes at usa.net  Mon Feb  2 23:37:47 2015
From: kenlynes at usa.net (Kenneth Lynes)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 23:37:47 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 122, Issue 17
Message-ID: <040TBcFKv0944S05.1422941867@web05.cms.usa.net>

Hey Ryan,
When you were first discussing this sort of issue before I am not sure if you
had been trying to have both of your routers assign dhcp (ip addresses) to the
various network computers etc. I had that problem once and it was pointed out
that only one router should be doing that. Not sure if it had any relevance to
your issue, but thought I would mention it. Otherwise most of this is beyond
my scope a bit.
Ken

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>    1. Re: More weird Comcast problems (Ryan Coleman)
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> Message: 1
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> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
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> That?s overkill? Your signals outside of the superstructure are pointless in
planning.
> 
> As for 5GHz stick to the low channels, they don?t do well outside and
they?re underpowered for that purpose. If someone is using those channels
outside they could get nicked by the FCC - it?s not pretty when it happens
(personal experience).
> 
> 
> > On Feb 2, 2015, at 8:58 AM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Yes and no. It would be nice to coordinate with the neighbors but then
maybe their position puts their new channel that is good for me is now bad for
them or bad for their neighbors further down so if I am gently forcing them I
would feel obligated to travel down the neighborhood doing channel planning.
This is not something I am too keen on doing especially given that my actual
wlan performance is generally fine, particularly given that I mostly use 5ghz
which is mostly quiet in my immediate vicinity. I can only see one neighbor
also using 5ghz so I chose a distant channel from theirs, assuming auto
channel selection is not turned on in their ap; for the last several months
I've never seen them change channels. 
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  2 23:56:36 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 23:56:36 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tools to recover usb drive
In-Reply-To: <D4784BC9-9143-4F71-8B97-D40AADC74522@cwis.biz>
References: <54C6560B.702@lctn.org>
 <54CFED02.2000807@lctn.org>, <48393F7A-3ECF-4DA1-AFBA-C3139524C01B@cwis.biz>,
 <D4784BC9-9143-4F71-8B97-D40AADC74522@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W100A1B75CF45849E924362B993D0@phx.gbl>

Let's just call it 'Traffic Control'. 

Gobble Gobble,

- --
paul g

> From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 15:53:35 -0600
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tools to recover usb drive
> 
> @#%@#% @#$%!@#$ #^&$% #$^$@#!
> 
> I read this thread all the way through yesterday and then I forgot it. IGNORE MY LAST MESSAGE!
> 
> Thanks! :)
> 
> 
> > On Feb 2, 2015, at 3:53 PM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
> > 
> > I use a slew of programs but your first bet is to DD the drive and work from there.
> > 
> > 
> >> On Feb 2, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Nothing recommended has worked. What are some recommendations for companies that may be able to recover the data on the usb drive?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 01/26/2015 08:58 AM, Raymond Norton wrote:
> >>> Trying to help a friend out with a usb drive that shows up under lsusb, but does not show up as a storage device. (was working)
> >>> 
> >>> lsusb: Bus 001 Device 005: ID 090c:3000 Silicon Motion, Inc. - Taiwan (formerly Feiya Technology Corp.)
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Chip info: Hynix H27UBGBT2BIR BC 113AA
> >>> 
> >>> In very small print, possibly M1VKR016JJ (don't have magnify glass)
> >>> 
> >>> What linux tools or methods might be available to try and get the device to show up as a storage device?
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Raymond Norton
> >> LCTN
> >> 952.955.7766
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  3 00:17:42 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 00:17:42 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 122, Issue 17
In-Reply-To: <040TBcFKv0944S05.1422941867@web05.cms.usa.net>
References: <040TBcFKv0944S05.1422941867@web05.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W1108AA206882E7C0AC309E4993D0@phx.gbl>

My question is 'how much information can someone pull off of the dhcp device running behind a sole NAT that has been compromised?. As I have been running 2 wifi routers here at this dwelling, Probably alot. no need for scripts apparently the only thing needed is the ip address. So if someone gets the ipaddress of the machine they can track you?

> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 23:37:47 -0600
> From: kenlynes at usa.net
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 122, Issue 17
> 
> Hey Ryan,
> When you were first discussing this sort of issue before I am not sure if you
> had been trying to have both of your routers assign dhcp (ip addresses) to the
> various network computers etc. I had that problem once and it was pointed out
> that only one router should be doing that. Not sure if it had any relevance to
> your issue, but thought I would mention it. Otherwise most of this is beyond
> my scope a bit.
> Ken
> 
> ------ Original Message ------
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> > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 09:06:42 -0600
> > From: Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>
> > To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
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> > 
> > That?s overkill? Your signals outside of the superstructure are pointless in
> planning.
> > 
> > As for 5GHz stick to the low channels, they don?t do well outside and
> they?re underpowered for that purpose. If someone is using those channels
> outside they could get nicked by the FCC - it?s not pretty when it happens
> (personal experience).
> > 
> > 
> > > On Feb 2, 2015, at 8:58 AM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Yes and no. It would be nice to coordinate with the neighbors but then
> maybe their position puts their new channel that is good for me is now bad for
> them or bad for their neighbors further down so if I am gently forcing them I
> would feel obligated to travel down the neighborhood doing channel planning.
> This is not something I am too keen on doing especially given that my actual
> wlan performance is generally fine, particularly given that I mostly use 5ghz
> which is mostly quiet in my immediate vicinity. I can only see one neighbor
> also using 5ghz so I chose a distant channel from theirs, assuming auto
> channel selection is not turned on in their ap; for the last several months
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From kurtis at riseup.net  Tue Feb  3 00:23:54 2015
From: kurtis at riseup.net (Kurtis Hanna)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 06:23:54 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Lenovo ThinkPad X200
Message-ID: <20150203062354.5b822ff2@riseup.net>

Hello,

Does anyone have an old Lenovo ThinkPad X200 they want to sell or give
away? I want to get one and put LibreBoot on it.

Kurtis

From pj.world at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  3 01:25:47 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 01:25:47 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] The cleaner:
Message-ID: <BAY168-W260D95E4392CB6E4AC096C993D0@phx.gbl>

             

gobble gobble.

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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  3 02:21:29 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 02:21:29 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] No more dominent DOS attacks.
Message-ID: <BAY168-W134D662E37D99BAE0DD4AC3993D0@phx.gbl>

Wow, I sure am happy switching over to a different provider thus enabling me to no longer have a constant barrage of DOS attacks logged on the 'Router' in my case though once in a while I reset the 'assembly/gateway'. Of course every 'case' has it's own place as one may say but oh well Kudos to land lines. 

gobble gobble ? 

Thanks,

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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  3 02:44:56 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 02:44:56 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] The cleaner:
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W260D95E4392CB6E4AC096C993D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W260D95E4392CB6E4AC096C993D0@phx.gbl>
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Something happened so I decided to again go off 'Topic' which of course I know I should not do. Oh well guess what - I did.

              

I need a root canal. 

gobble gobble.

 --
paul g



From: pj.world at hotmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 01:25:47 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] The cleaner:




             

gobble gobble.

-  -
paul g  		 	   		  

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From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 02:47:52 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] The cleaner:
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W122097B4B2DC74669DD682C993D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W260D95E4392CB6E4AC096C993D0@phx.gbl>
 <BAY168-W122097B4B2DC74669DD682C993D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030247240.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>



> which of course I know I should not do.

CORRECT.

From pj.world at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  3 02:52:28 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 02:52:28 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] The cleaner:
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030247240.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <BAY168-W260D95E4392CB6E4AC096C993D0@phx.gbl>,
 <BAY168-W122097B4B2DC74669DD682C993D0@phx.gbl>,
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030247240.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W28F34182F4562043CCFBC3993D0@phx.gbl>

1. How secure is my home network when someone has my internet protocal address? 

2. What measures can I take to secure my computer from becoming a victim?

Thank you for your time,

gobble gobble,
 ---
paul g


> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 02:47:52 -0600
> From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] The cleaner:
> 
> 
> 
> > which of course I know I should not do.
> 
> CORRECT.
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
 		 	   		  
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  3 02:58:30 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 02:58:30 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tools to recover usb drive
In-Reply-To: <48393F7A-3ECF-4DA1-AFBA-C3139524C01B@cwis.biz>
References: <54C6560B.702@lctn.org>
 <54CFED02.2000807@lctn.org>,<48393F7A-3ECF-4DA1-AFBA-C3139524C01B@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W286A65AC3CB10641B008FC993D0@phx.gbl>

DD some refer to that program as Data-Destroyer that does not help anyone wanting to recover information from the particular device. I would put the device on a piece of steel on the stove and heat it for 20 seconds. Get all those sockets put back together again. 

gobble gobble

-   -
paul g

> From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 15:53:03 -0600
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tools to recover usb drive
> 
> I use a slew of programs but your first bet is to DD the drive and work from there.
> 
> 
> > On Feb 2, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> wrote:
> > 
> > Nothing recommended has worked. What are some recommendations for companies that may be able to recover the data on the usb drive?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 01/26/2015 08:58 AM, Raymond Norton wrote:
> >> Trying to help a friend out with a usb drive that shows up under lsusb, but does not show up as a storage device. (was working)
> >> 
> >> lsusb: Bus 001 Device 005: ID 090c:3000 Silicon Motion, Inc. - Taiwan (formerly Feiya Technology Corp.)
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Chip info: Hynix H27UBGBT2BIR BC 113AA
> >> 
> >> In very small print, possibly M1VKR016JJ (don't have magnify glass)
> >> 
> >> What linux tools or methods might be available to try and get the device to show up as a storage device?
> >> 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Raymond Norton
> > LCTN
> > 952.955.7766
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 03:03:59 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] The cleaner:
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W28F34182F4562043CCFBC3993D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W260D95E4392CB6E4AC096C993D0@phx.gbl>,
 <BAY168-W122097B4B2DC74669DD682C993D0@phx.gbl>,
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030247240.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <BAY168-W28F34182F4562043CCFBC3993D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030254040.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>

"Internet Protocol"? Paul, we invented abbreviations for a reason.

Most likely your IP address is NATted via your router/cablemodem. You can 
check this by using the "ifconfig" or "ip" commands on your computer. For 
example:

% ifconfig -a | grep "inet addr"
           inet addr:192.168.0.74  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0


For some reason a bunhc of Linux distros are trying to replace this 
completely functional command with the "ip" command, so:

% ip addr | grep inet
     inet 192.168.0.74/24 brd 192.168.0.255 scope global eth0


Now you'll see other addresses, too, most likely loopback (127.0.0.1) and 
some ipv6 crap.


Now, like I said, your computer(s) are probably using non-routable 
addresses which cannot be reached form the internet. If your IP address is 
in one of the following networks, it is not accessible directly from the 
internet:

192.168.*
10.*
172.16.*
through
172.31.*

You can go to http://ipchicken.com to see your publically-viewable IP 
address. You can compare that to what you see through the previous 
commands.

The address you see form the internet is likely your 
router/cablemodem/whatever. THAT is accessible from the internet, but your 
ISP is likely blocking many known ports. Comcast, for example, will be 
blocking just about anything inbound.


Either way, securing a computer ranges from trivial stuff like 
disabling/uninstalling any service you're not using (no need to run Apache 
on your desktop, right? And no need to run telnet ANYWHERE EVER), to 
complicated (building a separate firewall machine and putting it between 
your router and internal computers).

Like I said, this can get complicated, and you should secure your 
computers either way, but most likely they cannot be accessed directly 
from the internet without you installing special software for that (aka 
malware).

On Tue, 3 Feb 2015, paul g wrote:

> 1. How secure is my home network when someone has my internet protocal
> address?
> 
> 2. What measures can I take to secure my computer from becoming a victim?
> 
> Thank you for your time,
> 
> gobble gobble,
> ?---
> paul g
> 
> 
> > Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 02:47:52 -0600
> > From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] The cleaner:
> >
> >
> >
> > > which of course I know I should not do.
> >
> > CORRECT.
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
>

From pj.world at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  3 04:07:00 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 04:07:00 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] The cleaner:
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030254040.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <BAY168-W260D95E4392CB6E4AC096C993D0@phx.gbl>, ,
 <BAY168-W122097B4B2DC74669DD682C993D0@phx.gbl>, ,
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030247240.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>,
 <BAY168-W28F34182F4562043CCFBC3993D0@phx.gbl>,
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030254040.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W232F04FDC6C1F384B258ED993D0@phx.gbl>

Wow, you are definitely kind in sharing this. Would you mind taking some time and look through the following output from my machine?

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ ifconfig -a | grep "inet addr"
          inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
          inet addr:192.168.1.13  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ ip addr | grep inet
    inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
    inet6 ::1/128 scope host 
    inet 192.168.1.13/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global wlan0
    inet6 fe80::21c:10ff:fee5:2136/64 scope link 
paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ 

1. what do/does the line's above labeled 'scope' refer to? I understand that I am not using ipv6 at this point in time.

I will end this message with only the above question i'm amazed you took your time to actually type that out.

thanks,

  --
paul g

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 03:03:59 -0600
From: tclug at freakzilla.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] The cleaner:

"Internet Protocol"? Paul, we invented abbreviations for a reason.
 
Most likely your IP address is NATted via your router/cablemodem. You can 
check this by using the "ifconfig" or "ip" commands on your computer. For 
example:
 
% ifconfig -a | grep "inet addr"
           inet addr:192.168.0.74  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
 
 
For some reason a bunhc of Linux distros are trying to replace this 
completely functional command with the "ip" command, so:
 
% ip addr | grep inet
     inet 192.168.0.74/24 brd 192.168.0.255 scope global eth0
 
 
Now you'll see other addresses, too, most likely loopback (127.0.0.1) and 
some ipv6 crap.
 
 
Now, like I said, your computer(s) are probably using non-routable 
addresses which cannot be reached form the internet. If your IP address is 
in one of the following networks, it is not accessible directly from the 
internet:
 
192.168.*
10.*
172.16.*
through
172.31.*
 
You can go to http://ipchicken.com to see your publically-viewable IP 
address. You can compare that to what you see through the previous 
commands.
 
The address you see form the internet is likely your 
router/cablemodem/whatever. THAT is accessible from the internet, but your 
ISP is likely blocking many known ports. Comcast, for example, will be 
blocking just about anything inbound.
 
 
Either way, securing a computer ranges from trivial stuff like 
disabling/uninstalling any service you're not using (no need to run Apache 
on your desktop, right? And no need to run telnet ANYWHERE EVER), to 
complicated (building a separate firewall machine and putting it between 
your router and internal computers).
 
Like I said, this can get complicated, and you should secure your 
computers either way, but most likely they cannot be accessed directly 
from the internet without you installing special software for that (aka 
malware).
 
On Tue, 3 Feb 2015, paul g wrote:
 
> 1. How secure is my home network when someone has my internet protocal
> address?
> 
> 2. What measures can I take to secure my computer from becoming a victim?
> 
> Thank you for your time,
> 
> gobble gobble,
>  ---
> paul g
> 
> 
> > Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 02:47:52 -0600
> > From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] The cleaner:
> >
> >
> >
> > > which of course I know I should not do.
> >
> > CORRECT.
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
>

_______________________________________________
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From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 04:20:44 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] The cleaner:
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W232F04FDC6C1F384B258ED993D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W260D95E4392CB6E4AC096C993D0@phx.gbl>, ,
 <BAY168-W122097B4B2DC74669DD682C993D0@phx.gbl>, ,
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030247240.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>,
 <BAY168-W28F34182F4562043CCFBC3993D0@phx.gbl>,
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030254040.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <BAY168-W232F04FDC6C1F384B258ED993D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030417130.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>

On Tue, 3 Feb 2015, paul g wrote:

> 1. what do/does the line's above labeled 'scope' refer to? I understand that
> I am not using ipv6 at this point in time.

"scope host" means that address is only visible to and from that specific 
host. Basically the the ip address "127.0.0.1" (also known as "localhost") 
can only be accessed from that specific host. On every UNIX machine, 
127.0.0.1 is "this machine I am currently on". You ssh to 127.0.0.1 and 
the machine you're on will answer. It's basically it's address for itself.

"scope link", I assume, would mean anything on that link can access it. 
And "global" would mean it's available globally on your network - but 
since that's a 192.168.* address it's only available on YOUR netwrok, and 
not the internet.


From pj.world at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  3 04:33:04 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 04:33:04 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] The cleaner:
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030417130.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <BAY168-W260D95E4392CB6E4AC096C993D0@phx.gbl>,
 ,,<BAY168-W122097B4B2DC74669DD682C993D0@phx.gbl>,
 , , <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030247240.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>, ,
 <BAY168-W28F34182F4562043CCFBC3993D0@phx.gbl>, ,
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030254040.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>,
 <BAY168-W232F04FDC6C1F384B258ED993D0@phx.gbl>,
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030417130.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W1312BE69A8A6E2D8F71E82B993D0@phx.gbl>

Thank you:

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ ip addr | grep inet
    inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
 
Since I am on the topic what is the 127.0.0.1/8 meaning the /8 must mean something right? If I can please ask your knowledge on this?

I thank you for your time,

-   -
paul g

> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 04:20:44 -0600
> From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] The cleaner:
> 
> On Tue, 3 Feb 2015, paul g wrote:
> 
> > 1. what do/does the line's above labeled 'scope' refer to? I understand that
> > I am not using ipv6 at this point in time.
> 
> "scope host" means that address is only visible to and from that specific 
> host. Basically the the ip address "127.0.0.1" (also known as "localhost") 
> can only be accessed from that specific host. On every UNIX machine, 
> 127.0.0.1 is "this machine I am currently on". You ssh to 127.0.0.1 and 
> the machine you're on will answer. It's basically it's address for itself.
> 
> "scope link", I assume, would mean anything on that link can access it. 
> And "global" would mean it's available globally on your network - but 
> since that's a 192.168.* address it's only available on YOUR netwrok, and 
> not the internet.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
 		 	   		  
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  3 04:43:18 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 04:43:18 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] The cleaner:
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W1312BE69A8A6E2D8F71E82B993D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W260D95E4392CB6E4AC096C993D0@phx.gbl>, , , ,
 <BAY168-W122097B4B2DC74669DD682C993D0@phx.gbl>, , , 
 , <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030247240.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>,
 ,,<BAY168-W28F34182F4562043CCFBC3993D0@phx.gbl>,
 , , <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030254040.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>, ,
 <BAY168-W232F04FDC6C1F384B258ED993D0@phx.gbl>, ,
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030417130.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>,
 <BAY168-W1312BE69A8A6E2D8F71E82B993D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W49A275B9369C6B0EF64E26993D0@phx.gbl>

I am being serious here by the way.

From: pj.world at hotmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 04:33:04 -0600
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] The cleaner:




Thank you:

paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ ip addr | grep inet
    inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
 
Since I am on the topic what is the 127.0.0.1/8 meaning the /8 must mean something right? If I can please ask your knowledge on this?

I thank you for your time,

-   -
paul g

> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 04:20:44 -0600
> From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] The cleaner:
> 
> On Tue, 3 Feb 2015, paul g wrote:
> 
> > 1. what do/does the line's above labeled 'scope' refer to? I understand that
> > I am not using ipv6 at this point in time.
> 
> "scope host" means that address is only visible to and from that specific 
> host. Basically the the ip address "127.0.0.1" (also known as "localhost") 
> can only be accessed from that specific host. On every UNIX machine, 
> 127.0.0.1 is "this machine I am currently on". You ssh to 127.0.0.1 and 
> the machine you're on will answer. It's basically it's address for itself.
> 
> "scope link", I assume, would mean anything on that link can access it. 
> And "global" would mean it's available globally on your network - but 
> since that's a 192.168.* address it's only available on YOUR netwrok, and 
> not the internet.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
 		 	   		  

_______________________________________________
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Tue Feb  3 04:56:01 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 04:56:01 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] The cleaner:
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W1312BE69A8A6E2D8F71E82B993D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W260D95E4392CB6E4AC096C993D0@phx.gbl>, , ,
 <BAY168-W122097B4B2DC74669DD682C993D0@phx.gbl>, , ,
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030247240.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>, ,
 <BAY168-W28F34182F4562043CCFBC3993D0@phx.gbl>, ,
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030254040.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>, 
 <BAY168-W232F04FDC6C1F384B258ED993D0@phx.gbl>,
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030417130.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <BAY168-W1312BE69A8A6E2D8F71E82B993D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030436070.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>

First - you see, Paul, you ask good questions, you get good answers.


SIMPLE SIMPLE TL;DR version: it's the scope of the network.

127.0.0.1/8 means "ok, 127.anything is local, so I don't need to look for 
routes on how to get there."

Something like 192.168.100.20/24 says "Ok, anything on 192.168.100.* is on 
the local network, so I don't need to find special ways to route that." 
But (barring other network rules) if it sees, say, 192.168.101.*, it will 
know it's an external network and try to figure out how to get there.



LONGER AND MORE COMPLEX BUT STILL INCREDIBLY SIMPLIFIED version:


You'll nitice an IP address (with IPv4 anyway) is divided into four 
numbers. We'll use 192.168.100.20. Each of these is called an octet but 
that's not important right now. Well, kinda.

Now obviously every machine directly on the internet needs an address, and 
they had to be divided up somehow, and that's where subnets come in.

There are three different sizes (or classes) of subnets. Class A, the 
biggest, is basically an entire subnet using the first octet. So, the 
Class A Subnet of 192.168.100.20 is 192.0.0.0 - so everything starting 
with 192.whatever. Since we're limited to numbers between 0 and 255, there 
is a limited number of Class A subnets, and we'll just say it's 255 even 
though it's not to keep it simple.

Now, the Class B subnet uses the first two octets, so in this case it's 
192.168.0.0. So every Class A subnet has 255 Class B subnets in it.

Class C is 192.168.20.9, so every Class B has 255 Class C subnets.

And every Class C has 255 individual IP addresses in it (again, it's not 
really 255 but we're keeping it simple).

(How these got divided among different organisations is a long and arduous 
story. There are very few organisations that have a whole Class A to 
themselves, slightly more that have Class Bs, and many more have Class Cs, 
and a bunch of people share Class C subnets).

Now, that number you're seeing after the / indicates what portion of the 
subnet an IP address is using. It's basically telling you the subnet mask, 
which is like the "negative" of the subnet, and is used for routing. The 
subnet mask for a Class A is 255.0.0.0, Class B is 255.255.0.0, and Class 
C is 255.255.255.0. Since you're normally running on a Class C, most your 
machines will have a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0.

Now in the-number-after-the-slash terms, that's /24. So rather than 
saying:

IP Address 192.168.100.20 Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0, you can just say 
192.168.100.20/24

Now NARROWER subnet masks are not something you'll be using at home. They 
are used to divide networks up even more. For example, if you want to 
divide a Class C in two, you'd set the netmask to 255.255.255.128, and in 
/ terms thats /25. Divide it in four, so you have fur networks of 64 IP 
addresses, and that's /26 (or 255.255.255.64).



On Tue, 3 Feb 2015, paul g wrote:

> Thank you:
> 
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ ip addr | grep inet
> ??? inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
> ?
> Since I am on the topic what is the 127.0.0.1/8 meaning the /8 must mean
> something right? If I can please ask your knowledge on this?
> 
> I thank you for your time,
> 
> -?? -
> paul g
> 
> > Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 04:20:44 -0600
> > From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] The cleaner:
> >
> > On Tue, 3 Feb 2015, paul g wrote:
> >
> > > 1. what do/does the line's above labeled 'scope' refer to? I understand
> that
> > > I am not using ipv6 at this point in time.
> >
> > "scope host" means that address is only visible to and from that specific
> > host. Basically the the ip address "127.0.0.1" (also known as "localhost")
> > can only be accessed from that specific host. On every UNIX machine,
> > 127.0.0.1 is "this machine I am currently on". You ssh to 127.0.0.1 and
> > the machine you're on will answer. It's basically it's address for itself.
> >
> > "scope link", I assume, would mean anything on that link can access it.
> > And "global" would mean it's available globally on your network - but
> > since that's a 192.168.* address it's only available on YOUR netwrok, and
> > not the internet.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
>

From tclug at freakzilla.com  Tue Feb  3 04:57:44 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 04:57:44 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] The cleaner:
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W49A275B9369C6B0EF64E26993D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W260D95E4392CB6E4AC096C993D0@phx.gbl>, , , ,
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On Tue, 3 Feb 2015, paul g wrote:

> I am being serious here by the way.

And you got a serious answer. But you stumbled upon one of THE most 
infuriating subjects of networking and routing, to the degree that most of 
us either memorise it, use a cheat sheet (like this: 
http://www.aelius.com/njh/subnet_sheet.html) or just plain IGNORE it and 
hope it goes away!



From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Tue Feb  3 06:22:06 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 06:22:06 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tools to recover usb drive
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W286A65AC3CB10641B008FC993D0@phx.gbl>
References: <54C6560B.702@lctn.org> <54CFED02.2000807@lctn.org>
 <48393F7A-3ECF-4DA1-AFBA-C3139524C01B@cwis.biz>
 <BAY168-W286A65AC3CB10641B008FC993D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <282C2CF9-DA80-4D61-A104-FC0551D6CD4A@cwis.biz>

I said ignore this message. You ack'd that. And now you respond. 

This is OT and I won't respond. 


> On Feb 3, 2015, at 02:58, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> DD some refer to that program as Data-Destroyer that does not help anyone wanting to recover information from the particular device. I would put the device on a piece of steel on the stove and heat it for 20 seconds. Get all those sockets put back together again. 
> 
> gobble gobble
> 
> -   -
> paul g
> 
> > From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
> > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 15:53:03 -0600
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tools to recover usb drive
> > 
> > I use a slew of programs but your first bet is to DD the drive and work from there.
> > 
> > 
> > > On Feb 2, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Nothing recommended has worked. What are some recommendations for companies that may be able to recover the data on the usb drive?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 01/26/2015 08:58 AM, Raymond Norton wrote:
> > >> Trying to help a friend out with a usb drive that shows up under lsusb, but does not show up as a storage device. (was working)
> > >> 
> > >> lsusb: Bus 001 Device 005: ID 090c:3000 Silicon Motion, Inc. - Taiwan (formerly Feiya Technology Corp.)
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> Chip info: Hynix H27UBGBT2BIR BC 113AA
> > >> 
> > >> In very small print, possibly M1VKR016JJ (don't have magnify glass)
> > >> 
> > >> What linux tools or methods might be available to try and get the device to show up as a storage device?
> > >> 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Raymond Norton
> > > LCTN
> > > 952.955.7766
> > > 
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Tue Feb  3 06:23:57 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 06:23:57 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 122, Issue 17
In-Reply-To: <040TBcFKv0944S05.1422941867@web05.cms.usa.net>
References: <040TBcFKv0944S05.1422941867@web05.cms.usa.net>
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Nope. One firewall has dhcp turned off. One has it on and the modem is off. I've made that error a few times myself. 




> On Feb 2, 2015, at 23:37, Kenneth Lynes <kenlynes at usa.net> wrote:
> 
> Hey Ryan,
> When you were first discussing this sort of issue before I am not sure if you
> had been trying to have both of your routers assign dhcp (ip addresses) to the
> various network computers etc. I had that problem once and it was pointed out
> that only one router should be doing that. Not sure if it had any relevance to
> your issue, but thought I would mention it. Otherwise most of this is beyond
> my scope a bit.
> Ken
> 
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> Subject: tclug-list Digest, Vol 122, Issue 17
> 
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>> Message: 1
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>> That?s overkill? Your signals outside of the superstructure are pointless in
> planning.
>> 
>> As for 5GHz stick to the low channels, they don?t do well outside and
> they?re underpowered for that purpose. If someone is using those channels
> outside they could get nicked by the FCC - it?s not pretty when it happens
> (personal experience).
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 2, 2015, at 8:58 AM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes and no. It would be nice to coordinate with the neighbors but then
> maybe their position puts their new channel that is good for me is now bad for
> them or bad for their neighbors further down so if I am gently forcing them I
> would feel obligated to travel down the neighborhood doing channel planning.
> This is not something I am too keen on doing especially given that my actual
> wlan performance is generally fine, particularly given that I mostly use 5ghz
> which is mostly quiet in my immediate vicinity. I can only see one neighbor
> also using 5ghz so I chose a distant channel from theirs, assuming auto
> channel selection is not turned on in their ap; for the last several months
> I've never seen them change channels. 
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Tue Feb  3 06:24:38 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 06:24:38 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 122, Issue 17
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W1108AA206882E7C0AC309E4993D0@phx.gbl>
References: <040TBcFKv0944S05.1422941867@web05.cms.usa.net>
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Message-ID: <020FE6BB-B065-4EE9-8D70-CBA7BCB86BC1@cwis.biz>

Thread hijacking again. 


> On Feb 3, 2015, at 00:17, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My question is 'how much information can someone pull off of the dhcp device running behind a sole NAT that has been compromised?. As I have been running 2 wifi routers here at this dwelling, Probably alot. no need for scripts apparently the only thing needed is the ip address. So if someone gets the ipaddress of the machine they can track you?
> 
> > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 23:37:47 -0600
> > From: kenlynes at usa.net
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 122, Issue 17
> > 
> > Hey Ryan,
> > When you were first discussing this sort of issue before I am not sure if you
> > had been trying to have both of your routers assign dhcp (ip addresses) to the
> > various network computers etc. I had that problem once and it was pointed out
> > that only one router should be doing that. Not sure if it had any relevance to
> > your issue, but thought I would mention it. Otherwise most of this is beyond
> > my scope a bit.
> > Ken
> > 
> > ------ Original Message ------
> > Received: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 12:00:14 PM CST
> > From: tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: tclug-list Digest, Vol 122, Issue 17
> > 
> > > Send tclug-list mailing list submissions to
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> > > 
> > > 
> > > Today's Topics:
> > > 
> > > 1. Re: More weird Comcast problems (Ryan Coleman)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > 
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 09:06:42 -0600
> > > From: Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>
> > > To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] More weird Comcast problems
> > > Message-ID: <3BD429F1-58CB-4D7F-BA60-A55F312D1E37 at cwis.biz>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > > 
> > > That?s overkill? Your signals outside of the superstructure are pointless in
> > planning.
> > > 
> > > As for 5GHz stick to the low channels, they don?t do well outside and
> > they?re underpowered for that purpose. If someone is using those channels
> > outside they could get nicked by the FCC - it?s not pretty when it happens
> > (personal experience).
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > On Feb 2, 2015, at 8:58 AM, Justin Krejci <jus at krytosvirus.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Yes and no. It would be nice to coordinate with the neighbors but then
> > maybe their position puts their new channel that is good for me is now bad for
> > them or bad for their neighbors further down so if I am gently forcing them I
> > would feel obligated to travel down the neighborhood doing channel planning.
> > This is not something I am too keen on doing especially given that my actual
> > wlan performance is generally fine, particularly given that I mostly use 5ghz
> > which is mostly quiet in my immediate vicinity. I can only see one neighbor
> > also using 5ghz so I chose a distant channel from theirs, assuming auto
> > channel selection is not turned on in their ap; for the last several months
> > I've never seen them change channels. 
> > > > 
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  3 06:32:52 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 06:32:52 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] The cleaner:
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030436070.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <BAY168-W260D95E4392CB6E4AC096C993D0@phx.gbl>, ,
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This is pretty good stuff here. I certainly did not expect this. I will do a few more re-reads - it looks like division may be a way for me to grasp it. I seriously actually am stunned someone took their time here. Now I can at least see the A. B. C. scenario. Looking at A. and B. slots have bothered me for a long time. <-- I always get an F.
1. subnet mask is that the same terminology/meaning as netmask?

2. It looks like division or multiplication within the [subnet - protocol] or D portion of subnet mask begins to modify? 
Is there any way for me to think of the 
255.255.255.255 as A. B. C. D. ? Instead of using the A. B. C. method which you explained? I am still not desiring to 
understand why some can take A. B. categories from others.  

3. What does the 'Gateway' addressing mean within the ip protocol scenario? <-- If of course you have time to explain.
 
I will re-read this again tomorrow after I rest for a bit. I am going to 'head out' to the garage and have a cigarette. 
This is amazing how much information you have given me this evening without picking on me. I am truly thankful.

 - -
paul g



Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 04:56:01 -060
From: tclug at freakzilla.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] The cleaner:

First - you see, Paul, you ask good questions, you get good answers.
 
 
SIMPLE SIMPLE TL;DR version: it's the scope of the network.
 
127.0.0.1/8 means "ok, 127.anything is local, so I don't need to look for 
routes on how to get there."
 
Something like 192.168.100.20/24 says "Ok, anything on 192.168.100.* is on 
the local network, so I don't need to find special ways to route that." 
But (barring other network rules) if it sees, say, 192.168.101.*, it will 
know it's an external network and try to figure out how to get there.
 
 
 
LONGER AND MORE COMPLEX BUT STILL INCREDIBLY SIMPLIFIED version:
 
 
You'll nitice an IP address (with IPv4 anyway) is divided into four 
numbers. We'll use 192.168.100.20. Each of these is called an octet but 
that's not important right now. Well, kinda.
 
Now obviously every machine directly on the internet needs an address, and 
they had to be divided up somehow, and that's where subnets come in.
 
There are three different sizes (or classes) of subnets. Class A, the 
biggest, is basically an entire subnet using the first octet. So, the 
Class A Subnet of 192.168.100.20 is 192.0.0.0 - so everything starting 
with 192.whatever. Since we're limited to numbers between 0 and 255, there 
is a limited number of Class A subnets, and we'll just say it's 255 even 
though it's not to keep it simple.
 
Now, the Class B subnet uses the first two octets, so in this case it's 
192.168.0.0. So every Class A subnet has 255 Class B subnets in it.
 
Class C is 192.168.20.9, so every Class B has 255 Class C subnets.
 
And every Class C has 255 individual IP addresses in it (again, it's not 
really 255 but we're keeping it simple).
 
(How these got divided among different organisations is a long and arduous 
story. There are very few organisations that have a whole Class A to 
themselves, slightly more that have Class Bs, and many more have Class Cs, 
and a bunch of people share Class C subnets).
 
Now, that number you're seeing after the / indicates what portion of the 
subnet an IP address is using. It's basically telling you the subnet mask, 
which is like the "negative" of the subnet, and is used for routing. The 
subnet mask for a Class A is 255.0.0.0, Class B is 255.255.0.0, and Class 
C is 255.255.255.0. Since you're normally running on a Class C, most your 
machines will have a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0.
 
Now in the-number-after-the-slash terms, that's /24. So rather than 
saying:
 
IP Address 192.168.100.20 Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0, you can just say 
192.168.100.20/24
 
Now NARROWER subnet masks are not something you'll be using at home. They 
are used to divide networks up even more. For example, if you want to 
divide a Class C in two, you'd set the netmask to 255.255.255.128, and in 
/ terms thats /25. Divide it in four, so you have fur networks of 64 IP 
addresses, and that's /26 (or 255.255.255.64).
 
 
 
On Tue, 3 Feb 2015, paul g wrote:
 
> Thank you:
> 
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ ip addr | grep inet
>     inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
>  
> Since I am on the topic what is the 127.0.0.1/8 meaning the /8 must mean
> something right? If I can please ask your knowledge on this?
> 
> I thank you for your time,
> 
> -   -
> paul g
> 
> > Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 04:20:44 -0600
> > From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] The cleaner:
> >
> > On Tue, 3 Feb 2015, paul g wrote:
> >
> > > 1. what do/does the line's above labeled 'scope' refer to? I understand
> that
> > > I am not using ipv6 at this point in time.
> >
> > "scope host" means that address is only visible to and from that specific
> > host. Basically the the ip address "127.0.0.1" (also known as "localhost")
> > can only be accessed from that specific host. On every UNIX machine,
> > 127.0.0.1 is "this machine I am currently on". You ssh to 127.0.0.1 and
> > the machine you're on will answer. It's basically it's address for itself.
> >
> > "scope link", I assume, would mean anything on that link can access it.
> > And "global" would mean it's available globally on your network - but
> > since that's a 192.168.* address it's only available on YOUR netwrok, and
> > not the internet.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
>

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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  3 06:35:21 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 06:35:21 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] The cleaner:
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030456220.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <BAY168-W260D95E4392CB6E4AC096C993D0@phx.gbl>, , ,
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 ,,<alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030254040.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>,
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 , , <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030417130.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>, ,
 <BAY168-W1312BE69A8A6E2D8F71E82B993D0@phx.gbl>,
 <BAY168-W49A275B9369C6B0EF64E26993D0@phx.gbl>,
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030456220.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W476A23DB74721F351D00F9993D0@phx.gbl>

Never ignore something that you care about so deeply inside your heart that even others who rip people off for a living can do nothing more.

> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 04:57:44 -0600
> From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] The cleaner:
> 
> On Tue, 3 Feb 2015, paul g wrote:
> 
> > I am being serious here by the way.
> 
> And you got a serious answer. But you stumbled upon one of THE most 
> infuriating subjects of networking and routing, to the degree that most of 
> us either memorise it, use a cheat sheet (like this: 
> http://www.aelius.com/njh/subnet_sheet.html) or just plain IGNORE it and 
> hope it goes away!
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Tue Feb  3 07:42:28 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 07:42:28 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] The cleaner:
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W476A23DB74721F351D00F9993D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W260D95E4392CB6E4AC096C993D0@phx.gbl> <, > <, > <, > <, ,
 <BAY168-W122097B4B2DC74669DD682C993D0@phx.gbl> <, >> <, > <, > <, ,
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 > <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030417130.19353@cockerel.yaron.org> <, > <,
 > <BAY168-W1312BE69A8A6E2D8F71E82B993D0@phx.gbl> <,
 > <BAY168-W49A275B9369C6B0EF64E26993D0@phx.gbl> <,
 > <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030456220.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>
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Message-ID: <40E27BC4-16B7-424A-9B6C-17DAADA4CE82@cwis.biz>

Paul,

Every email thread you reply to muddles into another thread I am following.

I don?t know why or how but I would like it to stop.  Maybe you use Hotmail?s web interface, maybe you?re using a poorly-written email client, but this has been going on for months.

Please discover a real email service. :)


> On Feb 3, 2015, at 6:35 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Never ignore something that you care about so deeply inside your heart that even others who rip people off for a living can do nothing more.
> 
> > Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 04:57:44 -0600
> > From: tclug at freakzilla.com <mailto:tclug at freakzilla.com>
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] The cleaner:
> > 
> > On Tue, 3 Feb 2015, paul g wrote:
> > 
> > > I am being serious here by the way.
> > 
> > And you got a serious answer. But you stumbled upon one of THE most 
> > infuriating subjects of networking and routing, to the degree that most of 
> > us either memorise it, use a cheat sheet (like this: 
> > http://www.aelius.com/njh/subnet_sheet.html) or just plain IGNORE it and 
> > hope it goes away!
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
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From jus at krytosvirus.com  Tue Feb  3 10:31:08 2015
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 10:31:08 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] The cleaner:
Message-ID: <t2ycsw3f6gul8navpvq3vtwv.1422981066130@email.android.com>

Depending on how semantically accurate you want to be, using the "class" based nomenclature is generally not appropriate. I realize the classes are now generally the modern day equivalent to /8, /16, and /24 but it still irks me in a pet peeve kind of way. The classes referred to specific subsets of addresses of a particular net size, not just net sizes alone. Not only that but people usually don't include Multicast class D which is also actively used. The class E addresses are basically defunct.?

Subnet mask and netmask are the same thing.?
The "/#" notation, aka slash notation, is a shorthand for the netmask in decimal cidr representation where the number after the slash is the number of bits used to represent the network portion/size for the address in question. In IPv6 addressing slash notation is used exclusively instead of being spelled out in hexadecimal format because the addresses are already so long.?

To easily describe netmasks, I usually just say they tell you how big the network is you're referring to.?


By the way a 64 block (/26) has a decimal netmask of 255.255.255.192 which was accidentally listed as 255.255.255.64



<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: tclug at freakzilla.com </div><div>Date:02/03/2015  4:56 AM  (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: TCLUG <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> </div><div>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] The cleaner: </div><div>
</div>First - you see, Paul, you ask good questions, you get good answers.


SIMPLE SIMPLE TL;DR version: it's the scope of the network.

127.0.0.1/8 means "ok, 127.anything is local, so I don't need to look for 
routes on how to get there."

Something like 192.168.100.20/24 says "Ok, anything on 192.168.100.* is on 
the local network, so I don't need to find special ways to route that." 
But (barring other network rules) if it sees, say, 192.168.101.*, it will 
know it's an external network and try to figure out how to get there.



LONGER AND MORE COMPLEX BUT STILL INCREDIBLY SIMPLIFIED version:


You'll nitice an IP address (with IPv4 anyway) is divided into four 
numbers. We'll use 192.168.100.20. Each of these is called an octet but 
that's not important right now. Well, kinda.

Now obviously every machine directly on the internet needs an address, and 
they had to be divided up somehow, and that's where subnets come in.

There are three different sizes (or classes) of subnets. Class A, the 
biggest, is basically an entire subnet using the first octet. So, the 
Class A Subnet of 192.168.100.20 is 192.0.0.0 - so everything starting 
with 192.whatever. Since we're limited to numbers between 0 and 255, there 
is a limited number of Class A subnets, and we'll just say it's 255 even 
though it's not to keep it simple.

Now, the Class B subnet uses the first two octets, so in this case it's 
192.168.0.0. So every Class A subnet has 255 Class B subnets in it.

Class C is 192.168.20.9, so every Class B has 255 Class C subnets.

And every Class C has 255 individual IP addresses in it (again, it's not 
really 255 but we're keeping it simple).

(How these got divided among different organisations is a long and arduous 
story. There are very few organisations that have a whole Class A to 
themselves, slightly more that have Class Bs, and many more have Class Cs, 
and a bunch of people share Class C subnets).

Now, that number you're seeing after the / indicates what portion of the 
subnet an IP address is using. It's basically telling you the subnet mask, 
which is like the "negative" of the subnet, and is used for routing. The 
subnet mask for a Class A is 255.0.0.0, Class B is 255.255.0.0, and Class 
C is 255.255.255.0. Since you're normally running on a Class C, most your 
machines will have a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0.

Now in the-number-after-the-slash terms, that's /24. So rather than 
saying:

IP Address 192.168.100.20 Subnet Mask 255.255.255.0, you can just say 
192.168.100.20/24

Now NARROWER subnet masks are not something you'll be using at home. They 
are used to divide networks up even more. For example, if you want to 
divide a Class C in two, you'd set the netmask to 255.255.255.128, and in 
/ terms thats /25. Divide it in four, so you have fur networks of 64 IP 
addresses, and that's /26 (or 255.255.255.64).



On Tue, 3 Feb 2015, paul g wrote:

> Thank you:
> 
> paul at desk/paul-Lenovo ~ $ ip addr | grep inet
>     inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
>  
> Since I am on the topic what is the 127.0.0.1/8 meaning the /8 must mean
> something right? If I can please ask your knowledge on this?
> 
> I thank you for your time,
> 
> -   -
> paul g
> 
> > Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 04:20:44 -0600
> > From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] The cleaner:
> >
> > On Tue, 3 Feb 2015, paul g wrote:
> >
> > > 1. what do/does the line's above labeled 'scope' refer to? I understand
> that
> > > I am not using ipv6 at this point in time.
> >
> > "scope host" means that address is only visible to and from that specific
> > host. Basically the the ip address "127.0.0.1" (also known as "localhost")
> > can only be accessed from that specific host. On every UNIX machine,
> > 127.0.0.1 is "this machine I am currently on". You ssh to 127.0.0.1 and
> > the machine you're on will answer. It's basically it's address for itself.
> >
> > "scope link", I assume, would mean anything on that link can access it.
> > And "global" would mean it's available globally on your network - but
> > since that's a 192.168.* address it's only available on YOUR netwrok, and
> > not the internet.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
>
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From nassarmu at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 17:13:44 2015
From: nassarmu at gmail.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 17:13:44 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tools to recover usb drive
In-Reply-To: <54CFED02.2000807@lctn.org>
References: <54C6560B.702@lctn.org> <54CFED02.2000807@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <CAKpMjPhyHysmSDjTh4dhThTTSSzhQ8+9v-SkKxn_gXNf2D62rw@mail.gmail.com>

Is this a flash drive or a spinny disk? if it is a spinny disk you can
extract the disk and attach it via SATA or PATA which will give you
access to lower level. Of course if the drive is not spinning up then
you are pretty much hosed. OnTrack does an awesome job of recovering
data from dead drives, they also cost an awesome amount. Conversations
with customers invariable come to something like this:

C: This is the most important data, it must be recovered at all costs.
Me: Ok, OnTrack says it will cost $10,000. Shall I tell them to proceed?
C: oh, it is not THAT important.

If, however, the drive spins up or spins up and then dies at some
point while accessing the data then gddrescue is the tool you want. It
will let you dd data off of the drives in chunks mapping out which
parts of the disk are unreachable.

Of course, if this is a flash disk then all bets are off and chances
are the data is toast.

On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> wrote:
> Nothing recommended has worked. What are some recommendations for companies
> that may be able to recover the data on the usb drive?
>
>
>
>
> On 01/26/2015 08:58 AM, Raymond Norton wrote:
>>
>> Trying to help a friend out with a usb drive that shows up under lsusb,
>> but does not show up as a storage device. (was working)
>>
>> lsusb: Bus 001 Device 005: ID 090c:3000 Silicon Motion, Inc. - Taiwan
>> (formerly Feiya Technology Corp.)
>>
>>
>> Chip info: Hynix H27UBGBT2BIR BC 113AA
>>
>> In very small print, possibly M1VKR016JJ (don't have magnify glass)
>>
>> What linux tools or methods might be available to try and get the device
>> to show up as a storage device?
>>
>
> --
> Raymond Norton
> LCTN
> 952.955.7766
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From mark.russel.mitchell at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 18:38:57 2015
From: mark.russel.mitchell at gmail.com (Mark Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 18:38:57 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] How fast do drives age in a RAID5?
Message-ID: <CAKLpivxPbFWqC7cgbBOKUOK+1Tqu3FdpBx0rgidLD-4fO6=7Jg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm running my first RAID array in a machine I built just short of a
year ago.  I'm getting repeated messages in kern.log about ata resets
on 2 ata channels.

I took one of the affected drives out of the array, and ran a smart
long test on them (smart.sdd.txt, attached).  It shows a head flying
time of 6912h+43m+51.802s (around 288 days).

All of the drives on the system are showing pre-fail and OldAge in the
smart reports.  I'm finding this difficult to believe, all of them
except sda are only about a year old.

Do I really have to go out and buy a bunch of new 3TB drives?

Here are some representative errors from kern.log;

==> /var/log/kern.log <==
Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092255] ata5.00:
exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x40000001 SErr 0x10200 action 0xe frozen
Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092259] ata5.00: irq_stat
0x00400000, PHY RDY changed
Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092262] ata5: SError: {
Persist PHYRdyChg }
Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092265] ata5.00: failed
command: READ FPDMA QUEUED
Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092269] ata5.00: cmd
60/a0:00:22:c0:0a/00:00:09:00:00/40 tag 0 ncq 81920 in
Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092269]          res
40/00:00:22:c0:0a/00:00:09:00:00/40 Emask 0x10 (ATA bus error)
Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092272] ata5.00: status: { DRDY }
Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092274] ata5.00: failed
command: READ FPDMA QUEUED
Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092278] ata5.00: cmd
60/08:f0:72:f9:66/02:00:08:00:00/40 tag 30 ncq 266240 in
Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092278]          res
40/00:00:22:c0:0a/00:00:09:00:00/40 Emask 0x10 (ATA bus error)
Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092281] ata5.00: status: { DRDY }
Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092285] ata5: hard resetting link
Feb  3 18:31:51 home-desktop kernel: [611899.409269] ata5: SATA link
up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)
Feb  3 18:31:51 home-desktop kernel: [611899.435209] ata5.00:
configured for UDMA/33
Feb  3 18:31:51 home-desktop kernel: [611899.449242] ata5: EH complete
Feb  3 18:32:17 home-desktop kernel: [611925.496050] ata6: exception
Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x10002 action 0xe frozen
Feb  3 18:32:17 home-desktop kernel: [611925.496054] ata6: irq_stat
0x00400000, PHY RDY changed
Feb  3 18:32:17 home-desktop kernel: [611925.496057] ata6: SError: {
RecovComm PHYRdyChg }
Feb  3 18:32:17 home-desktop kernel: [611925.496061] ata6: hard resetting link
Feb  3 18:32:22 home-desktop kernel: [611930.406105] ata5: exception
Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x10200 action 0xe frozen
Feb  3 18:32:22 home-desktop kernel: [611930.406109] ata5: irq_stat
0x00400000, PHY RDY changed
Feb  3 18:32:22 home-desktop kernel: [611930.406111] ata5: SError: {
Persist PHYRdyChg }
Feb  3 18:32:22 home-desktop kernel: [611930.406116] ata5: hard resetting link
Feb  3 18:32:24 home-desktop kernel: [611932.038938] ata6: SATA link
up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)
Feb  3 18:32:28 home-desktop kernel: [611935.720865] ata5: SATA link
up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)
Feb  3 18:32:28 home-desktop kernel: [611935.739014] ata5.00:
configured for UDMA/33
Feb  3 18:32:28 home-desktop kernel: [611935.752837] ata5: EH complete
Feb  3 18:32:29 home-desktop kernel: [611937.036124] ata6.00: qc
timeout (cmd 0xec)
Feb  3 18:32:29 home-desktop kernel: [611937.036135] ata6.00: failed
to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x4)
Feb  3 18:32:29 home-desktop kernel: [611937.036137] ata6.00:
revalidation failed (errno=-5)
Feb  3 18:32:29 home-desktop kernel: [611937.036141] ata6: hard resetting link
Feb  3 18:32:30 home-desktop kernel: [611937.527854] ata6: SATA link
up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)
Feb  3 18:32:30 home-desktop kernel: [611937.528629] ata6.00: supports
DRM functions and may not be fully accessible
Feb  3 18:32:30 home-desktop kernel: [611937.529644] ata6.00: supports
DRM functions and may not be fully accessible
Feb  3 18:32:30 home-desktop kernel: [611937.529824] ata6.00:
configured for UDMA/33
Feb  3 18:32:30 home-desktop kernel: [611937.529997] ata6: EH complete

Here's my drive layout;
mark at home-desktop:~$ sudo lsblk
NAME        MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE  MOUNTPOINT
sda           8:0    0 931.5G  0 disk
??sda1        8:1    0    37M  0 part  /boot/efi
??sda2        8:2    0  37.3G  0 part  [SWAP]
??sda3        8:3    0 860.8G  0 part  /home
??sda4        8:4    0  33.5G  0 part  /
sdb           8:16   0   2.7T  0 disk
??sdb1        8:17   0   2.7T  0 part
  ??md0       9:0    0   8.2T  0 raid5
    ??md0p1 259:0    0   8.2T  0 md    /srv/media
sdc           8:32   0   2.7T  0 disk
??sdc1        8:33   0   2.7T  0 part
  ??md0       9:0    0   8.2T  0 raid5
    ??md0p1 259:0    0   8.2T  0 md    /srv/media
sdd           8:48   0   2.7T  0 disk
??sdd1        8:49   0   2.7T  0 part
  ??md0       9:0    0   8.2T  0 raid5
    ??md0p1 259:0    0   8.2T  0 md    /srv/media
sde           8:64   0   2.7T  0 disk
??sde1        8:65   0   2.7T  0 part
  ??md0       9:0    0   8.2T  0 raid5
    ??md0p1 259:0    0   8.2T  0 md    /srv/media
sr0          11:0    1   4.3G  0 rom
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smartctl 6.2 2013-07-26 r3841 [x86_64-linux-3.16.0-29-generic] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     Hitachi Ultrastar A7K1000
Device Model:     Hitachi HUA721010KLA330
Serial Number:    GTE005PBGLPRAL
LU WWN Device Id: 5 000cca 21ec88037
Firmware Version: GKAOAB0A
User Capacity:    1,000,204,886,016 bytes [1.00 TB]
Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is:   ATA/ATAPI-7 T13/1532D revision 1
Local Time is:    Tue Feb  3 18:27:24 2015 CST
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x84)	Offline data collection activity
					was suspended by an interrupting command from host.
					Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0)	The previous self-test routine completed
					without error or no self-test has ever 
					been run.
Total time to complete Offline 
data collection: 		(15354) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: 			 (0x5b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
					Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
					Suspend Offline collection upon new
					command.
					Offline surface scan supported.
					Self-test supported.
					No Conveyance Self-test supported.
					Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003)	Saves SMART data before entering
					power-saving mode.
					Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01)	Error logging supported.
					General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine 
recommended polling time: 	 (   1) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: 	 ( 255) minutes.
SCT capabilities: 	       (0x003f)	SCT Status supported.
					SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
					SCT Feature Control supported.
					SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000b   100   100   016    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  2 Throughput_Performance  0x0005   130   130   054    Pre-fail  Offline      -       152
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0007   213   213   024    Pre-fail  Always       -       344 (Average 313)
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       186
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   005    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000b   100   100   067    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  8 Seek_Time_Performance   0x0005   134   134   020    Pre-fail  Offline      -       32
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0012   097   097   000    Old_age   Always       -       22303
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0013   100   100   060    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       186
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       207
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       207
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0002   150   150   000    Old_age   Always       -       40 (Min/Max 15/67)
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0022   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0008   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x000a   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0

SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error
# 1  Extended captive    Completed without error       00%       663         -
# 2  Short captive       Completed without error       00%       659         -
# 3  Extended captive    Completed without error       00%       405         -
# 4  Short captive       Completed without error       00%       401         -
# 5  Extended captive    Completed without error       00%       283         -
# 6  Short captive       Completed without error       00%       279         -
# 7  Extended captive    Completed without error       00%       259         -
# 8  Short captive       Completed without error       00%       255         -
# 9  Extended captive    Completed without error       00%        51         -
#10  Short captive       Completed without error       00%        47         -

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
 SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
    1        0        0  Not_testing
    2        0        0  Not_testing
    3        0        0  Not_testing
    4        0        0  Not_testing
    5        0        0  Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

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smartctl 6.2 2013-07-26 r3841 [x86_64-linux-3.16.0-29-generic] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 (AF)
Device Model:     ST3000DM001-1CH166
Serial Number:    W1F3GN4Z
LU WWN Device Id: 5 000c50 06a45a3ba
Firmware Version: CC27
User Capacity:    3,000,592,982,016 bytes [3.00 TB]
Sector Sizes:     512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
Rotation Rate:    7200 rpm
Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is:   ACS-2, ACS-3 T13/2161-D revision 3b
SATA Version is:  SATA 3.1, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
Local Time is:    Tue Feb  3 18:27:38 2015 CST

==> WARNING: A firmware update for this drive may be available,
see the following Seagate web pages:
http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/207931en
http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/223651en

SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
See vendor-specific Attribute list for marginal Attributes.

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x82)	Offline data collection activity
					was completed without error.
					Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0)	The previous self-test routine completed
					without error or no self-test has ever 
					been run.
Total time to complete Offline 
data collection: 		(  575) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: 			 (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
					Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
					Suspend Offline collection upon new
					command.
					Offline surface scan supported.
					Self-test supported.
					Conveyance Self-test supported.
					Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003)	Saves SMART data before entering
					power-saving mode.
					Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01)	Error logging supported.
					General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine 
recommended polling time: 	 (   1) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: 	 ( 327) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time: 	 (   2) minutes.
SCT capabilities: 	       (0x3085)	SCT Status supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000f   117   099   006    Pre-fail  Always       -       120305360
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0003   096   093   000    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       157
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   010    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000f   069   060   030    Pre-fail  Always       -       94677596442
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   088   088   000    Old_age   Always       -       10750
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0013   100   100   097    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       139
183 Runtime_Bad_Block       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
184 End-to-End_Error        0x0032   100   100   099    Old_age   Always       -       0
187 Reported_Uncorrect      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
188 Command_Timeout         0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0 0 0
189 High_Fly_Writes         0x003a   099   099   000    Old_age   Always       -       1
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022   069   039   045    Old_age   Always   In_the_past 31 (7 227 36 27 0)
191 G-Sense_Error_Rate      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       125
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       784
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   031   061   000    Old_age   Always       -       31 (0 16 0 0 0)
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x003e   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
240 Head_Flying_Hours       0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       10701h+25m+10.372s
241 Total_LBAs_Written      0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       30069760728
242 Total_LBAs_Read         0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       87273785315

SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
No self-tests have been logged.  [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t]


SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
 SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
    1        0        0  Not_testing
    2        0        0  Not_testing
    3        0        0  Not_testing
    4        0        0  Not_testing
    5        0        0  Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

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smartctl 6.2 2013-07-26 r3841 [x86_64-linux-3.16.0-29-generic] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model:     WL3000GSA6472E
Serial Number:    WOL240273474
LU WWN Device Id: 5 0014ee f0155c223
Firmware Version: 01.01A01
User Capacity:    3,000,592,982,016 bytes [3.00 TB]
Sector Sizes:     512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
Rotation Rate:    7200 rpm
Device is:        Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is:   ATA8-ACS (minor revision not indicated)
SATA Version is:  SATA 3.0, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
Local Time is:    Tue Feb  3 18:27:44 2015 CST
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x84)	Offline data collection activity
					was suspended by an interrupting command from host.
					Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0)	The previous self-test routine completed
					without error or no self-test has ever 
					been run.
Total time to complete Offline 
data collection: 		(31080) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: 			 (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
					Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
					Suspend Offline collection upon new
					command.
					Offline surface scan supported.
					Self-test supported.
					Conveyance Self-test supported.
					Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003)	Saves SMART data before entering
					power-saving mode.
					Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01)	Error logging supported.
					General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine 
recommended polling time: 	 (   2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: 	 ( 338) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time: 	 (   5) minutes.
SCT capabilities: 	       (0x70bd)	SCT Status supported.
					SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
					SCT Feature Control supported.
					SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x002f   200   200   051    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0027   246   144   021    Pre-fail  Always       -       6658
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       98
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   200   200   140    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x002e   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   091   091   000    Old_age   Always       -       7240
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0032   100   253   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
 11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0032   100   253   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       98
183 Runtime_Bad_Block       0x0032   097   097   000    Old_age   Always       -       3
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       77
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       20
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   125   088   000    Old_age   Always       -       27
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0030   200   200   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate   0x0008   200   200   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0

SMART Error Log Version: 1
ATA Error Count: 2
	CR = Command Register [HEX]
	FR = Features Register [HEX]
	SC = Sector Count Register [HEX]
	SN = Sector Number Register [HEX]
	CL = Cylinder Low Register [HEX]
	CH = Cylinder High Register [HEX]
	DH = Device/Head Register [HEX]
	DC = Device Command Register [HEX]
	ER = Error register [HEX]
	ST = Status register [HEX]
Powered_Up_Time is measured from power on, and printed as
DDd+hh:mm:SS.sss where DD=days, hh=hours, mm=minutes,
SS=sec, and sss=millisec. It "wraps" after 49.710 days.

Error 2 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 1592 hours (66 days + 8 hours)
  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.

  After command completion occurred, registers were:
  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
  -- -- -- -- -- -- --
  40 51 28 a2 7c b2 e7  Error: UNC 40 sectors at LBA = 0x07b27ca2 = 129137826

  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name
  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------
  c8 00 28 a2 7c b2 e7 08   3d+11:19:08.091  READ DMA
  ca 00 01 2a 00 00 e0 08   3d+11:19:04.698  WRITE DMA

Error 1 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 1591 hours (66 days + 7 hours)
  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.

  After command completion occurred, registers were:
  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
  -- -- -- -- -- -- --
  40 51 08 22 60 b4 e7  Error: UNC 8 sectors at LBA = 0x07b46022 = 129261602

  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name
  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------
  c8 00 08 22 60 b4 e7 08   3d+10:57:52.333  READ DMA
  ca 00 01 2a 00 00 e0 08   3d+10:57:49.705  WRITE DMA

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
No self-tests have been logged.  [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t]


SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
 SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
    1        0        0  Not_testing
    2        0        0  Not_testing
    3        0        0  Not_testing
    4        0        0  Not_testing
    5        0        0  Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

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smartctl 6.2 2013-07-26 r3841 [x86_64-linux-3.16.0-29-generic] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 (AF)
Device Model:     ST3000DM001-1CH166
Serial Number:    Z1F3YCFP
LU WWN Device Id: 5 000c50 06515d254
Firmware Version: CC27
User Capacity:    3,000,592,982,016 bytes [3.00 TB]
Sector Sizes:     512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
Rotation Rate:    7200 rpm
Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is:   ACS-2, ACS-3 T13/2161-D revision 3b
SATA Version is:  SATA 3.1, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 1.5 Gb/s)
Local Time is:    Tue Feb  3 18:27:50 2015 CST

==> WARNING: A firmware update for this drive may be available,
see the following Seagate web pages:
http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/207931en
http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/223651en

SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
See vendor-specific Attribute list for marginal Attributes.

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x00)	Offline data collection activity
					was never started.
					Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0)	The previous self-test routine completed
					without error or no self-test has ever 
					been run.
Total time to complete Offline 
data collection: 		(  592) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: 			 (0x73) SMART execute Offline immediate.
					Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
					Suspend Offline collection upon new
					command.
					No Offline surface scan supported.
					Self-test supported.
					Conveyance Self-test supported.
					Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003)	Saves SMART data before entering
					power-saving mode.
					Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01)	Error logging supported.
					General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine 
recommended polling time: 	 (   1) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: 	 ( 333) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time: 	 (   2) minutes.
SCT capabilities: 	       (0x3085)	SCT Status supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000f   120   099   006    Pre-fail  Always       -       243544312
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0003   098   093   000    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   086   086   020    Old_age   Always       -       15263
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   010    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000f   064   049   030    Pre-fail  Always       -       262176109521
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   092   092   000    Old_age   Always       -       7237
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0013   100   100   097    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       102
183 Runtime_Bad_Block       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
184 End-to-End_Error        0x0032   100   100   099    Old_age   Always       -       0
187 Reported_Uncorrect      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
188 Command_Timeout         0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0 0 0
189 High_Fly_Writes         0x003a   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022   064   041   045    Old_age   Always   In_the_past 36 (5 1 36 36 0)
191 G-Sense_Error_Rate      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   093   093   000    Old_age   Always       -       15243
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   092   092   000    Old_age   Always       -       17118
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   036   059   000    Old_age   Always       -       36 (0 17 0 0 0)
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x003e   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       166
240 Head_Flying_Hours       0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       6912h+43m+51.802s
241 Total_LBAs_Written      0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       13578916216
242 Total_LBAs_Read         0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       67776052562

SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error
# 1  Extended offline    Interrupted (host reset)      00%      7182         -

SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
 SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
    1        0        0  Not_testing
    2        0        0  Not_testing
    3        0        0  Not_testing
    4        0        0  Not_testing
    5        0        0  Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

-------------- next part --------------
smartctl 6.2 2013-07-26 r3841 [x86_64-linux-3.16.0-29-generic] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-13, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, www.smartmontools.org

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family:     Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 (AF)
Device Model:     ST3000DM001-1ER166
Serial Number:    Z5001XD4
LU WWN Device Id: 5 000c50 066724599
Firmware Version: CC43
User Capacity:    3,000,592,982,016 bytes [3.00 TB]
Sector Sizes:     512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
Rotation Rate:    7200 rpm
Device is:        In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is:   ACS-2, ACS-3 T13/2161-D revision 3b
SATA Version is:  SATA 3.1, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 1.5 Gb/s)
Local Time is:    Tue Feb  3 18:27:58 2015 CST

==> WARNING: A firmware update for this drive may be available,
see the following Seagate web pages:
http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/207931en
http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/223651en

SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
See vendor-specific Attribute list for marginal Attributes.

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x00)	Offline data collection activity
					was never started.
					Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0)	The previous self-test routine completed
					without error or no self-test has ever 
					been run.
Total time to complete Offline 
data collection: 		(   89) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: 			 (0x73) SMART execute Offline immediate.
					Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
					Suspend Offline collection upon new
					command.
					No Offline surface scan supported.
					Self-test supported.
					Conveyance Self-test supported.
					Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003)	Saves SMART data before entering
					power-saving mode.
					Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01)	Error logging supported.
					General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine 
recommended polling time: 	 (   1) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: 	 ( 326) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time: 	 (   2) minutes.
SCT capabilities: 	       (0x1085)	SCT Status supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 10
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x000f   119   099   006    Pre-fail  Always       -       227110904
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0003   098   093   000    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   098   098   020    Old_age   Always       -       2731
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   100   100   010    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x000f   078   060   030    Pre-fail  Always       -       8746091847
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   093   093   000    Old_age   Always       -       6611
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0013   100   100   097    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   020    Old_age   Always       -       87
183 Runtime_Bad_Block       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
184 End-to-End_Error        0x0032   100   100   099    Old_age   Always       -       0
187 Reported_Uncorrect      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
188 Command_Timeout         0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0 0 0
189 High_Fly_Writes         0x003a   092   092   000    Old_age   Always       -       8
190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0022   066   041   045    Old_age   Always   In_the_past 34 (2 147 34 34 0)
191 G-Sense_Error_Rate      0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   099   099   000    Old_age   Always       -       2700
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   098   098   000    Old_age   Always       -       4742
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   034   059   000    Old_age   Always       -       34 (0 21 0 0 0)
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0012   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0010   100   100   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x003e   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
240 Head_Flying_Hours       0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       6454h+59m+58.397s
241 Total_LBAs_Written      0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       31486888656
242 Total_LBAs_Read         0x0000   100   253   000    Old_age   Offline      -       143352565115

SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
No self-tests have been logged.  [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t]


SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
 SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
    1        0        0  Not_testing
    2        0        0  Not_testing
    3        0        0  Not_testing
    4        0        0  Not_testing
    5        0        0  Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.


From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 19:42:15 2015
From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 19:42:15 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] How fast do drives age in a RAID5?
In-Reply-To: <CAKLpivxPbFWqC7cgbBOKUOK+1Tqu3FdpBx0rgidLD-4fO6=7Jg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKLpivxPbFWqC7cgbBOKUOK+1Tqu3FdpBx0rgidLD-4fO6=7Jg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACEdYO3PRnhf+L3CsgLhk7fLh+3BHa1e_d09N9Pp=q=nCy2QSQ@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting. Without diving into this too much due to time constraints...

> I took one of the affected drives out of the array, and ran a smart
long test on them (smart.sdd.txt, attached).  It shows a head flying
time of 6912h+43m+51.802s (around 288 days).

These should be under warranty still, most drives now still have at
least two years of coverage. WD and Seagate have worked well for RMA
on bad drives I've had before. Can't speak for Hitachi.

>All of the drives on the system are showing pre-fail and OldAge in the
smart reports.  I'm finding this difficult to believe, all of them
except sda are only about a year old.

Are you sure you're not just looking at the Type field? I ask because
they will always say that, which correlates to the type of SMART
reading.

Also, if you Google around for Seagate and seek errors, they are
notorious for not reporting these correctly in SMART. I would
recommend you reach out to the respective drive manufactures.

--
Jeremy MountainJohnson
Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com


On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 6:38 PM, Mark Mitchell
<mark.russel.mitchell at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm running my first RAID array in a machine I built just short of a
> year ago.  I'm getting repeated messages in kern.log about ata resets
> on 2 ata channels.
>
> I took one of the affected drives out of the array, and ran a smart
> long test on them (smart.sdd.txt, attached).  It shows a head flying
> time of 6912h+43m+51.802s (around 288 days).
>
> All of the drives on the system are showing pre-fail and OldAge in the
> smart reports.  I'm finding this difficult to believe, all of them
> except sda are only about a year old.
>
> Do I really have to go out and buy a bunch of new 3TB drives?
>
> Here are some representative errors from kern.log;
>
> ==> /var/log/kern.log <==
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092255] ata5.00:
> exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x40000001 SErr 0x10200 action 0xe frozen
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092259] ata5.00: irq_stat
> 0x00400000, PHY RDY changed
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092262] ata5: SError: {
> Persist PHYRdyChg }
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092265] ata5.00: failed
> command: READ FPDMA QUEUED
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092269] ata5.00: cmd
> 60/a0:00:22:c0:0a/00:00:09:00:00/40 tag 0 ncq 81920 in
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092269]          res
> 40/00:00:22:c0:0a/00:00:09:00:00/40 Emask 0x10 (ATA bus error)
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092272] ata5.00: status: { DRDY }
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092274] ata5.00: failed
> command: READ FPDMA QUEUED
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092278] ata5.00: cmd
> 60/08:f0:72:f9:66/02:00:08:00:00/40 tag 30 ncq 266240 in
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092278]          res
> 40/00:00:22:c0:0a/00:00:09:00:00/40 Emask 0x10 (ATA bus error)
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092281] ata5.00: status: { DRDY }
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092285] ata5: hard resetting link
> Feb  3 18:31:51 home-desktop kernel: [611899.409269] ata5: SATA link
> up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)
> Feb  3 18:31:51 home-desktop kernel: [611899.435209] ata5.00:
> configured for UDMA/33
> Feb  3 18:31:51 home-desktop kernel: [611899.449242] ata5: EH complete
> Feb  3 18:32:17 home-desktop kernel: [611925.496050] ata6: exception
> Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x10002 action 0xe frozen
> Feb  3 18:32:17 home-desktop kernel: [611925.496054] ata6: irq_stat
> 0x00400000, PHY RDY changed
> Feb  3 18:32:17 home-desktop kernel: [611925.496057] ata6: SError: {
> RecovComm PHYRdyChg }
> Feb  3 18:32:17 home-desktop kernel: [611925.496061] ata6: hard resetting link
> Feb  3 18:32:22 home-desktop kernel: [611930.406105] ata5: exception
> Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x10200 action 0xe frozen
> Feb  3 18:32:22 home-desktop kernel: [611930.406109] ata5: irq_stat
> 0x00400000, PHY RDY changed
> Feb  3 18:32:22 home-desktop kernel: [611930.406111] ata5: SError: {
> Persist PHYRdyChg }
> Feb  3 18:32:22 home-desktop kernel: [611930.406116] ata5: hard resetting link
> Feb  3 18:32:24 home-desktop kernel: [611932.038938] ata6: SATA link
> up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)
> Feb  3 18:32:28 home-desktop kernel: [611935.720865] ata5: SATA link
> up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)
> Feb  3 18:32:28 home-desktop kernel: [611935.739014] ata5.00:
> configured for UDMA/33
> Feb  3 18:32:28 home-desktop kernel: [611935.752837] ata5: EH complete
> Feb  3 18:32:29 home-desktop kernel: [611937.036124] ata6.00: qc
> timeout (cmd 0xec)
> Feb  3 18:32:29 home-desktop kernel: [611937.036135] ata6.00: failed
> to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x4)
> Feb  3 18:32:29 home-desktop kernel: [611937.036137] ata6.00:
> revalidation failed (errno=-5)
> Feb  3 18:32:29 home-desktop kernel: [611937.036141] ata6: hard resetting link
> Feb  3 18:32:30 home-desktop kernel: [611937.527854] ata6: SATA link
> up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)
> Feb  3 18:32:30 home-desktop kernel: [611937.528629] ata6.00: supports
> DRM functions and may not be fully accessible
> Feb  3 18:32:30 home-desktop kernel: [611937.529644] ata6.00: supports
> DRM functions and may not be fully accessible
> Feb  3 18:32:30 home-desktop kernel: [611937.529824] ata6.00:
> configured for UDMA/33
> Feb  3 18:32:30 home-desktop kernel: [611937.529997] ata6: EH complete
>
> Here's my drive layout;
> mark at home-desktop:~$ sudo lsblk
> NAME        MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE  MOUNTPOINT
> sda           8:0    0 931.5G  0 disk
> ??sda1        8:1    0    37M  0 part  /boot/efi
> ??sda2        8:2    0  37.3G  0 part  [SWAP]
> ??sda3        8:3    0 860.8G  0 part  /home
> ??sda4        8:4    0  33.5G  0 part  /
> sdb           8:16   0   2.7T  0 disk
> ??sdb1        8:17   0   2.7T  0 part
>   ??md0       9:0    0   8.2T  0 raid5
>     ??md0p1 259:0    0   8.2T  0 md    /srv/media
> sdc           8:32   0   2.7T  0 disk
> ??sdc1        8:33   0   2.7T  0 part
>   ??md0       9:0    0   8.2T  0 raid5
>     ??md0p1 259:0    0   8.2T  0 md    /srv/media
> sdd           8:48   0   2.7T  0 disk
> ??sdd1        8:49   0   2.7T  0 part
>   ??md0       9:0    0   8.2T  0 raid5
>     ??md0p1 259:0    0   8.2T  0 md    /srv/media
> sde           8:64   0   2.7T  0 disk
> ??sde1        8:65   0   2.7T  0 part
>   ??md0       9:0    0   8.2T  0 raid5
>     ??md0p1 259:0    0   8.2T  0 md    /srv/media
> sr0          11:0    1   4.3G  0 rom
>
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From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 23:18:59 2015
From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 23:18:59 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] The cleaner:
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W47CFD7674DCD8749347561993D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W260D95E4392CB6E4AC096C993D0@phx.gbl>, , , ,
 <BAY168-W122097B4B2DC74669DD682C993D0@phx.gbl>, , , ,
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030247240.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>, , ,
 <BAY168-W28F34182F4562043CCFBC3993D0@phx.gbl>, , ,
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030254040.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>, ,
 <BAY168-W232F04FDC6C1F384B258ED993D0@phx.gbl>, ,
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030417130.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>,
 <BAY168-W1312BE69A8A6E2D8F71E82B993D0@phx.gbl>,
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030436070.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <BAY168-W47CFD7674DCD8749347561993D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <54D1ABC3.20800@gmail.com>

On 2/3/2015 6:32 AM, paul g wrote:

> 1. subnet mask is that the same terminology/meaning as netmask?

Yes.  Also commonly referred to simply as Mask or  Subnet.

> 2. It looks like division or multiplication within the [subnet - protocol] or D portion of subnet mask begins to modify?
> Is there any way for me to think of the
> 255.255.255.255 as A. B. C. D. ? Instead of using the A. B. C. method which you explained? I am still not desiring to
> understand why some can take A. B. categories from others.

It's not multiplication or division.  Yaron's explanation was basic text 
book material.  It doesn't get explained much easier than that.  You are 
confusing 2 things here.  A mask of 255.255.255.255 usually refers to 
itself.

> 3. What does the 'Gateway' addressing mean within the ip protocol scenario? <-- If of course you have time to explain.

It is your next hop.  It is where you send your traffic when your 
computer/device doesn't know where/how to get to it's destination.

>
> I will re-read this again tomorrow after I rest for a bit. I am going to 'head out' to the garage and have a cigarette.
> This is amazing how much information you have given me this evening without picking on me. I am truly thankful.

Check this.  Dudes make roughly 2500.00 per dive & and averages 600K 
annually.

https://www.yahoo.com/makers/it-workers-dumpster-diving-hobby-brings-2-500-a-110000053205.html

Stop monkeying around, and install Slackware.

From tlunde at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 23:23:37 2015
From: tlunde at gmail.com (T L)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 23:23:37 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] How fast do drives age in a RAID5?
In-Reply-To: <CAKLpivxPbFWqC7cgbBOKUOK+1Tqu3FdpBx0rgidLD-4fO6=7Jg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKLpivxPbFWqC7cgbBOKUOK+1Tqu3FdpBx0rgidLD-4fO6=7Jg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE0VmCzE4O0Pnw9QUM=PebAr4fpmgUN+FQVHeKV-HSRhXvF25A@mail.gmail.com>

Overeager head parking?
On Feb 3, 2015 6:39 PM, "Mark Mitchell" <mark.russel.mitchell at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'm running my first RAID array in a machine I built just short of a
> year ago.  I'm getting repeated messages in kern.log about ata resets
> on 2 ata channels.
>
> I took one of the affected drives out of the array, and ran a smart
> long test on them (smart.sdd.txt, attached).  It shows a head flying
> time of 6912h+43m+51.802s (around 288 days).
>
> All of the drives on the system are showing pre-fail and OldAge in the
> smart reports.  I'm finding this difficult to believe, all of them
> except sda are only about a year old.
>
> Do I really have to go out and buy a bunch of new 3TB drives?
>
> Here are some representative errors from kern.log;
>
> ==> /var/log/kern.log <==
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092255] ata5.00:
> exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x40000001 SErr 0x10200 action 0xe frozen
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092259] ata5.00: irq_stat
> 0x00400000, PHY RDY changed
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092262] ata5: SError: {
> Persist PHYRdyChg }
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092265] ata5.00: failed
> command: READ FPDMA QUEUED
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092269] ata5.00: cmd
> 60/a0:00:22:c0:0a/00:00:09:00:00/40 tag 0 ncq 81920 in
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092269]          res
> 40/00:00:22:c0:0a/00:00:09:00:00/40 Emask 0x10 (ATA bus error)
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092272] ata5.00: status: {
> DRDY }
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092274] ata5.00: failed
> command: READ FPDMA QUEUED
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092278] ata5.00: cmd
> 60/08:f0:72:f9:66/02:00:08:00:00/40 tag 30 ncq 266240 in
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092278]          res
> 40/00:00:22:c0:0a/00:00:09:00:00/40 Emask 0x10 (ATA bus error)
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092281] ata5.00: status: {
> DRDY }
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092285] ata5: hard resetting
> link
> Feb  3 18:31:51 home-desktop kernel: [611899.409269] ata5: SATA link
> up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)
> Feb  3 18:31:51 home-desktop kernel: [611899.435209] ata5.00:
> configured for UDMA/33
> Feb  3 18:31:51 home-desktop kernel: [611899.449242] ata5: EH complete
> Feb  3 18:32:17 home-desktop kernel: [611925.496050] ata6: exception
> Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x10002 action 0xe frozen
> Feb  3 18:32:17 home-desktop kernel: [611925.496054] ata6: irq_stat
> 0x00400000, PHY RDY changed
> Feb  3 18:32:17 home-desktop kernel: [611925.496057] ata6: SError: {
> RecovComm PHYRdyChg }
> Feb  3 18:32:17 home-desktop kernel: [611925.496061] ata6: hard resetting
> link
> Feb  3 18:32:22 home-desktop kernel: [611930.406105] ata5: exception
> Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x10200 action 0xe frozen
> Feb  3 18:32:22 home-desktop kernel: [611930.406109] ata5: irq_stat
> 0x00400000, PHY RDY changed
> Feb  3 18:32:22 home-desktop kernel: [611930.406111] ata5: SError: {
> Persist PHYRdyChg }
> Feb  3 18:32:22 home-desktop kernel: [611930.406116] ata5: hard resetting
> link
> Feb  3 18:32:24 home-desktop kernel: [611932.038938] ata6: SATA link
> up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)
> Feb  3 18:32:28 home-desktop kernel: [611935.720865] ata5: SATA link
> up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)
> Feb  3 18:32:28 home-desktop kernel: [611935.739014] ata5.00:
> configured for UDMA/33
> Feb  3 18:32:28 home-desktop kernel: [611935.752837] ata5: EH complete
> Feb  3 18:32:29 home-desktop kernel: [611937.036124] ata6.00: qc
> timeout (cmd 0xec)
> Feb  3 18:32:29 home-desktop kernel: [611937.036135] ata6.00: failed
> to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x4)
> Feb  3 18:32:29 home-desktop kernel: [611937.036137] ata6.00:
> revalidation failed (errno=-5)
> Feb  3 18:32:29 home-desktop kernel: [611937.036141] ata6: hard resetting
> link
> Feb  3 18:32:30 home-desktop kernel: [611937.527854] ata6: SATA link
> up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)
> Feb  3 18:32:30 home-desktop kernel: [611937.528629] ata6.00: supports
> DRM functions and may not be fully accessible
> Feb  3 18:32:30 home-desktop kernel: [611937.529644] ata6.00: supports
> DRM functions and may not be fully accessible
> Feb  3 18:32:30 home-desktop kernel: [611937.529824] ata6.00:
> configured for UDMA/33
> Feb  3 18:32:30 home-desktop kernel: [611937.529997] ata6: EH complete
>
> Here's my drive layout;
> mark at home-desktop:~$ sudo lsblk
> NAME        MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE  MOUNTPOINT
> sda           8:0    0 931.5G  0 disk
> ??sda1        8:1    0    37M  0 part  /boot/efi
> ??sda2        8:2    0  37.3G  0 part  [SWAP]
> ??sda3        8:3    0 860.8G  0 part  /home
> ??sda4        8:4    0  33.5G  0 part  /
> sdb           8:16   0   2.7T  0 disk
> ??sdb1        8:17   0   2.7T  0 part
>   ??md0       9:0    0   8.2T  0 raid5
>     ??md0p1 259:0    0   8.2T  0 md    /srv/media
> sdc           8:32   0   2.7T  0 disk
> ??sdc1        8:33   0   2.7T  0 part
>   ??md0       9:0    0   8.2T  0 raid5
>     ??md0p1 259:0    0   8.2T  0 md    /srv/media
> sdd           8:48   0   2.7T  0 disk
> ??sdd1        8:49   0   2.7T  0 part
>   ??md0       9:0    0   8.2T  0 raid5
>     ??md0p1 259:0    0   8.2T  0 md    /srv/media
> sde           8:64   0   2.7T  0 disk
> ??sde1        8:65   0   2.7T  0 part
>   ??md0       9:0    0   8.2T  0 raid5
>     ??md0p1 259:0    0   8.2T  0 md    /srv/media
> sr0          11:0    1   4.3G  0 rom
>
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Wed Feb  4 08:37:11 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 08:37:11 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tools to recover usb drive
In-Reply-To: <CAKpMjPhyHysmSDjTh4dhThTTSSzhQ8+9v-SkKxn_gXNf2D62rw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54C6560B.702@lctn.org> <54CFED02.2000807@lctn.org>
 <CAKpMjPhyHysmSDjTh4dhThTTSSzhQ8+9v-SkKxn_gXNf2D62rw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A000333F-1514-454B-AE75-82CE7339E9FC@cwis.biz>

OnTrack has a $100 service fee for single drives. Worth the cost. Full detailed list of files and recovery cost and time. 

Arrays - like I have on the bench there right now. $1000 diagnostic. Worth every penny - of course my insurance company is paying it. I won't know till next week if it will be recoverable (VMware datastore). 

Fun stuff. 

--
Ryan Coleman
Publisher, d3photography.com
ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
m. 651.373.5015
o. 612.568.2749

> On Feb 3, 2015, at 17:13, Munir Nassar <nassarmu at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Is this a flash drive or a spinny disk? if it is a spinny disk you can
> extract the disk and attach it via SATA or PATA which will give you
> access to lower level. Of course if the drive is not spinning up then
> you are pretty much hosed. OnTrack does an awesome job of recovering
> data from dead drives, they also cost an awesome amount. Conversations
> with customers invariable come to something like this:
> 
> C: This is the most important data, it must be recovered at all costs.
> Me: Ok, OnTrack says it will cost $10,000. Shall I tell them to proceed?
> C: oh, it is not THAT important.
> 
> If, however, the drive spins up or spins up and then dies at some
> point while accessing the data then gddrescue is the tool you want. It
> will let you dd data off of the drives in chunks mapping out which
> parts of the disk are unreachable.
> 
> Of course, if this is a flash disk then all bets are off and chances
> are the data is toast.
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> wrote:
>> Nothing recommended has worked. What are some recommendations for companies
>> that may be able to recover the data on the usb drive?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 01/26/2015 08:58 AM, Raymond Norton wrote:
>>> 
>>> Trying to help a friend out with a usb drive that shows up under lsusb,
>>> but does not show up as a storage device. (was working)
>>> 
>>> lsusb: Bus 001 Device 005: ID 090c:3000 Silicon Motion, Inc. - Taiwan
>>> (formerly Feiya Technology Corp.)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chip info: Hynix H27UBGBT2BIR BC 113AA
>>> 
>>> In very small print, possibly M1VKR016JJ (don't have magnify glass)
>>> 
>>> What linux tools or methods might be available to try and get the device
>>> to show up as a storage device?
>> 
>> --
>> Raymond Norton
>> LCTN
>> 952.955.7766
>> 
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  4 19:01:01 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 19:01:01 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] The cleaner: case a5t67 [Solved]
In-Reply-To: <54D1ABC3.20800@gmail.com>
References: <BAY168-W260D95E4392CB6E4AC096C993D0@phx.gbl>, , ,
 ,,<BAY168-W122097B4B2DC74669DD682C993D0@phx.gbl>, , ,
 ,,<alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030247240.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>, ,
 ,,<BAY168-W28F34182F4562043CCFBC3993D0@phx.gbl>, ,
 ,,<alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030254040.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>,
 ,,<BAY168-W232F04FDC6C1F384B258ED993D0@phx.gbl>,
 , , <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030417130.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>, ,
 <BAY168-W1312BE69A8A6E2D8F71E82B993D0@phx.gbl>, ,
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502030436070.19353@cockerel.yaron.org>,
 <BAY168-W47CFD7674DCD8749347561993D0@phx.gbl>, <54D1ABC3.20800@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W57C122ABEF4D585F6E7D84993B0@phx.gbl>

That is awesome: Thank you everyone who responded to assisting me in this issue. 

> Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 23:18:59 -0600
> From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] The cleaner:
> 
> On 2/3/2015 6:32 AM, paul g wrote:
> 
> > 1. subnet mask is that the same terminology/meaning as netmask?
> 
> Yes.  Also commonly referred to simply as Mask or  Subnet.
> 
> > 2. It looks like division or multiplication within the [subnet - protocol] or D portion of subnet mask begins to modify?
> > Is there any way for me to think of the
> > 255.255.255.255 as A. B. C. D. ? Instead of using the A. B. C. method which you explained? I am still not desiring to
> > understand why some can take A. B. categories from others.
> 
> It's not multiplication or division.  Yaron's explanation was basic text 
> book material.  It doesn't get explained much easier than that.  You are 
> confusing 2 things here.  A mask of 255.255.255.255 usually refers to 
> itself.
> 
> > 3. What does the 'Gateway' addressing mean within the ip protocol scenario? <-- If of course you have time to explain.
> 
> It is your next hop.  It is where you send your traffic when your 
> computer/device doesn't know where/how to get to it's destination.
> 
> >
> > I will re-read this again tomorrow after I rest for a bit. I am going to 'head out' to the garage and have a cigarette.
> > This is amazing how much information you have given me this evening without picking on me. I am truly thankful.
> 
> Check this.  Dudes make roughly 2500.00 per dive & and averages 600K 
> annually.
> 
> https://www.yahoo.com/makers/it-workers-dumpster-diving-hobby-brings-2-500-a-110000053205.html
> 
> Stop monkeying around, and install Slackware.
> _______________________________________________
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  4 19:10:41 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 19:10:41 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Mr. Bob Slackware.
In-Reply-To: <54ADC4DB.2000209@gmail.com>
References: <CAJdTJyMAO-yRkAwVFqkDtVPk461-VsLaNsNzE8h9r--DrxDWrg@mail.gmail.com>, 
 ,,<alpine.DEB.2.10.1501051319540.9960@cockerel.yaron.org>,
 ,,<CAJdTJyNH7-jqq75axSWecWOS=RioTw3wXnTB+VVPiOZFKQqjzw@mail.gmail.com>,
 ,,<54AAE973.3000302@kateley.com>, ,,<54AB59F2.6070508@gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W24F062EFC5D794256384B099460@phx.gbl>,,<54AD3BE5.5030309@gmail.com>
 <BAY168-W988B70922A9CCD561CA13999460@phx.gbl>,<54ADC4DB.2000209@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W1184EE56C424B781776B32993B0@phx.gbl>

The links you earlier have provided below should help assist me on a new journey. I appreciate your help as usual.

thanks,

--
paul g



> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 17:44:27 -0600
> From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Mr. Bob Slackware.
> 
> On 1/7/2015 4:36 PM, paul g wrote:
> > Mr. Bob I am looking at this page here
> > -->http://www.slackware.com/install/bootdisk.php
> >
> > 1. Are these the only Slackware images recommended? I have a Pentium MMX
> > that I was thinking about using.
> >
> 
> Not sure if the current release will work on a Pent MMX (how much ram?) 
>   Read the announcement, and release note to confirm.  You might need to 
> use an older version.
> 
> > 2. A floppy drive is required to install any of these image files? Or
> > could I use dd to copy an image file to a cd and boot that way if bios
> > supports?
> >
> 
> You don't need to make floppy disk anymore.  You can use cd or dvd to 
> boot, or do a network install (smoke'm if you gott'm)  That link is 
> beyond out-dated.  Look here for more updated documentation:
> 
> http://docs.slackware.com/
> 
> for install help:   http://docs.slackware.com/slackware:install
> 
> Also, the most commonly used Slackware forum is at Linux Questions
> 
> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/
> 
> Lastly, if you still use usenet the long lived Slackware newsgroup is 
> still highly active, and extremely knowledgeable.
> alt.os.linux.slackware
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  4 20:39:01 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:39:01 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
Message-ID: <BAY168-W631CC031C92A47D010ACCC993B0@phx.gbl>

Hi, I am currently utilizing an Actiontec Q1000 modem in accordance via the CenturyLink Internet Service Provider and I have installed a Netgear WNR2000 wireless router behind the Actiontec Q1000 modem <-aka 'gateway' 'for my wireless routing purposes'. Upon entering the 'Gui' interface of/on the Actiontec Q1000 modem via 'Firefox web browser' entering the following command: 192.168.0.1 --> Advanced Setup --> IP Addressing --> DHCP Reservation --> 

I have noticed two reserved addresses - under 'DHCP Reservation' listed as the following below: 

1. 192.168.0.2 00:16:d4:4a:9c:e9 192.168.0.2
2. 192.168.0.3 00:1d:7d:56:c7:fa 192.168.0.3
Questions - 

1a. Is it necessary to keep the above two addresses on the 'DHCP Reservation List' of the Actiontec Q1000 device?

2a. I believe I have no devices currently on the LAN utilizing the same 'MAC' address as the above 'DHCP' output has provided. Can I now safely 'remove' the above listed 'entities' from the DHCP Reservation List?

3a. As per last week I was able to return the 'leased' ZyXel c1000z and have noticed by using the newly acquired Actiontec Q1000. Speeds are the same but the device has possible 'leakage' Are you aware of ports being actively left open on the Actiontec Q1000 device by any chance? 

Thank you for your time,
 		 	   		  
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Wed Feb  4 20:48:43 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:48:43 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W631CC031C92A47D010ACCC993B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W631CC031C92A47D010ACCC993B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C52F4021-BCCF-49B8-A551-AEFAB7A02418@cwis.biz>


> On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:39 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Questions - 
> 
> 1a. Is it necessary to keep the above two addresses on the 'DHCP Reservation List' of the Actiontec Q1000 device?
Probably not.
> 
> 2a. I believe I have no devices currently on the LAN utilizing the same 'MAC' address as the above 'DHCP' output has provided. Can I now safely 'remove' the above listed 'entities' from the DHCP Reservation List?
Can you confirm you don?t have these on your LAN?  Oh 3A has important information - it?s a brand new modem. Confirm anyway. I have tools I use but they?re not Linux apps.

> 3a. As per last week I was able to return the 'leased' ZyXel c1000z and have noticed by using the newly acquired Actiontec Q1000. Speeds are the same but the device has possible 'leakage' Are you aware of ports being actively left open on the Actiontec Q1000 device by any chance? 
I?ve never been a fan of the Actiontec modems. They?re pretty cheap and I almost always put a piece of hardware in-between them and my network (like my netgate pfsense boxes).

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From tonyyarusso at gmail.com  Wed Feb  4 20:52:23 2015
From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:52:23 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W631CC031C92A47D010ACCC993B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W631CC031C92A47D010ACCC993B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAOZLdJW6oM1mU4Lzoo0CyqRNVNM0tGVdgY-wz1_rWvLXCAzH4A@mail.gmail.com>

You probably got a modem that someone else had previously leased, with
reservations and possibly other rules from them.  You'd think they'd get
reset between customers, but maybe not.  If you're able to check your
network for those MACs great, otherwise you're likely safe deleting the
reservations, and can look through the rest of the config for anything
"left over".
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  4 21:48:39 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 21:48:39 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <C52F4021-BCCF-49B8-A551-AEFAB7A02418@cwis.biz>
References: <BAY168-W631CC031C92A47D010ACCC993B0@phx.gbl>,
 <C52F4021-BCCF-49B8-A551-AEFAB7A02418@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W92C635A0F92EBA3A877029993B0@phx.gbl>

Thank you for your 'FAST' and 'Efficient' response. 

When I did initially acquire the Actiontec Q1000 device. I initially depressed and held the 'reset button' of course when the device is/was connected to the A/C power source but had kept/held the device back from the attachment of the LAN. For the duration of what I believe to be approximately 30 - 35 seconds. After that I kept the Actiontec Q1000 device off the LAN and 'hardwired' the Q1000 to my laptop via a 'cat 5' Ethernet cable. I then opened the Actiontec Q1000 interface GUI via the Firefox webrowser and within the Actiontec GUI --> Quick-Setup the device was listed under PPPoE ru1020.net <-- So of course that made me think 'why is this device listed under ru1020.net when I had just depressed the reset button for half a minute or more'?. Then I continued and attached the Q1000 device into the DSL service - RJ11 jack that I have outfitted exclusively for the most 'short/easy' DSL entry to this dwelling.  Same thing pulled up: ru1020.net on PPPoe 

I have at this time switched the PPP username to the properly acquired and established account name listed for my dwelling. 

Thank you for your help and 'Rapid' response,

From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:48:43 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.


On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:39 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:Questions - 

1a. Is it necessary to keep the above two addresses on the 'DHCP Reservation List' of the Actiontec Q1000 device?
Probably not.

2a. I believe I have no devices currently on the LAN utilizing the same 'MAC' address as the above 'DHCP' output has provided. Can I now safely 'remove' the above listed 'entities' from the DHCP Reservation List?
Can you confirm you don?t have these on your LAN?  Oh 3A has important information - it?s a brand new modem. Confirm anyway. I have tools I use but they?re not Linux apps.
3a. As per last week I was able to return the 'leased' ZyXel c1000z and have noticed by using the newly acquired Actiontec Q1000. Speeds are the same but the device has possible 'leakage' Are you aware of ports being actively left open on the Actiontec Q1000 device by any chance? 
I?ve never been a fan of the Actiontec modems. They?re pretty cheap and I almost always put a piece of hardware in-between them and my network (like my netgate pfsense boxes).

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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  4 21:53:22 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 21:53:22 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <CAOZLdJW6oM1mU4Lzoo0CyqRNVNM0tGVdgY-wz1_rWvLXCAzH4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY168-W631CC031C92A47D010ACCC993B0@phx.gbl>,
 <CAOZLdJW6oM1mU4Lzoo0CyqRNVNM0tGVdgY-wz1_rWvLXCAzH4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W117558680ADCB165088B166993B0@phx.gbl>

I was under the impression to 'reset' the modem as many people buy/find used modems in the garbage or at swap meets. 

2a. On this particular device I was under the impression to reset it by depressing a button for 30 seconds. I did that.

3a. Can I get free internet service into my dwelling? I know that is stealing and I do not do that BUT it seems to work. Could the lease still be active?

Thank you for responding Tony.

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:52:23 -0600
From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.

You probably got a modem that someone else had previously leased, with reservations and possibly other rules from them.  You'd think they'd get reset between customers, but maybe not.  If you're able to check your network for those MACs great, otherwise you're likely safe deleting the reservations, and can look through the rest of the config for anything "left over".


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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Wed Feb  4 21:54:30 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 21:54:30 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W92C635A0F92EBA3A877029993B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W631CC031C92A47D010ACCC993B0@phx.gbl>
 <C52F4021-BCCF-49B8-A551-AEFAB7A02418@cwis.biz>
 <BAY168-W92C635A0F92EBA3A877029993B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D225E510-DF97-46D6-A525-61AAEA6EEABA@cwis.biz>

So ... You don't want to answer my question?




> On Feb 4, 2015, at 21:48, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you for your 'FAST' and 'Efficient' response. 
> 
> When I did initially acquire the Actiontec Q1000 device. I initially depressed and held the 'reset button' of course when the device is/was connected to the A/C power source but had kept/held the device back from the attachment of the LAN. For the duration of what I believe to be approximately 30 - 35 seconds. After that I kept the Actiontec Q1000 device off the LAN and 'hardwired' the Q1000 to my laptop via a 'cat 5' Ethernet cable. I then opened the Actiontec Q1000 interface GUI via the Firefox webrowser and within the Actiontec GUI --> Quick-Setup the device was listed under PPPoE ru1020.net <-- So of course that made me think 'why is this device listed under ru1020.net when I had just depressed the reset button for half a minute or more'?. Then I continued and attached the Q1000 device into the DSL service - RJ11 jack that I have outfitted exclusively for the most 'short/easy' DSL entry to this dwelling.  Same thing pulled up: ru1020.net on PPPoe 
> 
> I have at this time switched the PPP username to the properly acquired and established account name listed for my dwelling. 
> 
> Thank you for your help and 'Rapid' response,
> 
> From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:48:43 -0600
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
> 
> 
> On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:39 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Questions - 
> 
> 1a. Is it necessary to keep the above two addresses on the 'DHCP Reservation List' of the Actiontec Q1000 device?
> Probably not.
> 
> 2a. I believe I have no devices currently on the LAN utilizing the same 'MAC' address as the above 'DHCP' output has provided. Can I now safely 'remove' the above listed 'entities' from the DHCP Reservation List?
> Can you confirm you don?t have these on your LAN?  Oh 3A has important information - it?s a brand new modem. Confirm anyway. I have tools I use but they?re not Linux apps.
> 
> 3a. As per last week I was able to return the 'leased' ZyXel c1000z and have noticed by using the newly acquired Actiontec Q1000. Speeds are the same but the device has possible 'leakage' Are you aware of ports being actively left open on the Actiontec Q1000 device by any chance? 
> I?ve never been a fan of the Actiontec modems. They?re pretty cheap and I almost always put a piece of hardware in-between them and my network (like my netgate pfsense boxes).
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> _______________________________________________
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  4 21:57:46 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 21:57:46 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <D225E510-DF97-46D6-A525-61AAEA6EEABA@cwis.biz>
References: <BAY168-W631CC031C92A47D010ACCC993B0@phx.gbl>,
 <C52F4021-BCCF-49B8-A551-AEFAB7A02418@cwis.biz>,
 <BAY168-W92C635A0F92EBA3A877029993B0@phx.gbl>,
 <D225E510-DF97-46D6-A525-61AAEA6EEABA@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W18D24D3C64919C154600F8993B0@phx.gbl>

I apologize. 

3e. What was your question again? 

4e. You are much smarter than me I hope I can answer your question.

Thanks,

-    -
paul g

From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 21:54:30 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.

So ... You don't want to answer my question?




On Feb 4, 2015, at 21:48, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:




Thank you for your 'FAST' and 'Efficient' response. 

When I did initially acquire the Actiontec Q1000 device. I initially depressed and held the 'reset button' of course when the device is/was connected to the A/C power source but had kept/held the device back from the attachment of the LAN. For the duration of what I believe to be approximately 30 - 35 seconds. After that I kept the Actiontec Q1000 device off the LAN and 'hardwired' the Q1000 to my laptop via a 'cat 5' Ethernet cable. I then opened the Actiontec Q1000 interface GUI via the Firefox webrowser and within the Actiontec GUI --> Quick-Setup the device was listed under PPPoE ru1020.net <-- So of course that made me think 'why is this device listed under ru1020.net when I had just depressed the reset button for half a minute or more'?. Then I continued and attached the Q1000 device into the DSL service - RJ11 jack that I have outfitted exclusively for the most 'short/easy' DSL entry to this dwelling.  Same thing pulled up: ru1020.net on PPPoe 

I have at this time switched the PPP username to the properly acquired and established account name listed for my dwelling. 

Thank you for your help and 'Rapid' response,

From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:48:43 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.


On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:39 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:Questions - 

1a. Is it necessary to keep the above two addresses on the 'DHCP Reservation List' of the Actiontec Q1000 device?
Probably not.

2a. I believe I have no devices currently on the LAN utilizing the same 'MAC' address as the above 'DHCP' output has provided. Can I now safely 'remove' the above listed 'entities' from the DHCP Reservation List?
Can you confirm you don?t have these on your LAN?  Oh 3A has important information - it?s a brand new modem. Confirm anyway. I have tools I use but they?re not Linux apps.
3a. As per last week I was able to return the 'leased' ZyXel c1000z and have noticed by using the newly acquired Actiontec Q1000. Speeds are the same but the device has possible 'leakage' Are you aware of ports being actively left open on the Actiontec Q1000 device by any chance? 
I?ve never been a fan of the Actiontec modems. They?re pretty cheap and I almost always put a piece of hardware in-between them and my network (like my netgate pfsense boxes).

_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list 		 	   		  
_______________________________________________
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tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Wed Feb  4 21:57:58 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 21:57:58 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W92C635A0F92EBA3A877029993B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W631CC031C92A47D010ACCC993B0@phx.gbl>,
 <C52F4021-BCCF-49B8-A551-AEFAB7A02418@cwis.biz>
 <BAY168-W92C635A0F92EBA3A877029993B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502042154420.11189@cockerel.yaron.org>

On Wed, 4 Feb 2015, paul g wrote:

> Thank you for your 'FAST' and 'Efficient' response.


Paul, putting things in 'quote marks' when no quotemarks are required is 
used to signify irony. That is, it is used to denote that you mean the 
OPPOSITE of what you are saying.

I realise you are trying to use them for emphasis, but what you're doing 
there makes as much sense as putting a question mark at the end of the 
sentence - it does not produce what you want.

In the sentence you wrote, and underline would've been the appropriate 
method of emphasis, but even if you used that it would still look 
confusing since no emphasis is actually required in that sentence.

From pj.world at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  4 22:04:15 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 22:04:15 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502042154420.11189@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <BAY168-W631CC031C92A47D010ACCC993B0@phx.gbl>, ,
 <C52F4021-BCCF-49B8-A551-AEFAB7A02418@cwis.biz>,
 <BAY168-W92C635A0F92EBA3A877029993B0@phx.gbl>,
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502042154420.11189@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W1366882811E897B615B7193993B0@phx.gbl>

That is fair enough.

> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 21:57:58 -0600
> From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
> 
> On Wed, 4 Feb 2015, paul g wrote:
> 
> > Thank you for your 'FAST' and 'Efficient' response.
> 
> 
> Paul, putting things in 'quote marks' when no quotemarks are required is 
> used to signify irony. That is, it is used to denote that you mean the 
> OPPOSITE of what you are saying.
> 
> I realise you are trying to use them for emphasis, but what you're doing 
> there makes as much sense as putting a question mark at the end of the 
> sentence - it does not produce what you want.
> 
> In the sentence you wrote, and underline would've been the appropriate 
> method of emphasis, but even if you used that it would still look 
> confusing since no emphasis is actually required in that sentence.
> _______________________________________________
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Wed Feb  4 22:12:38 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 22:12:38 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W1366882811E897B615B7193993B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W631CC031C92A47D010ACCC993B0@phx.gbl>
 <C52F4021-BCCF-49B8-A551-AEFAB7A02418@cwis.biz>
 <BAY168-W92C635A0F92EBA3A877029993B0@phx.gbl>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502042154420.11189@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <BAY168-W1366882811E897B615B7193993B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D02A12FB-08FC-4E1E-9455-47BF865E377D@cwis.biz>

I actually read it as borderline condescending but I was certain it was not meant that way. 


> On Feb 4, 2015, at 22:04, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> That is fair enough.
> 
> > Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 21:57:58 -0600
> > From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
> > 
> > On Wed, 4 Feb 2015, paul g wrote:
> > 
> > > Thank you for your 'FAST' and 'Efficient' response.
> > 
> > 
> > Paul, putting things in 'quote marks' when no quotemarks are required is 
> > used to signify irony. That is, it is used to denote that you mean the 
> > OPPOSITE of what you are saying.
> > 
> > I realise you are trying to use them for emphasis, but what you're doing 
> > there makes as much sense as putting a question mark at the end of the 
> > sentence - it does not produce what you want.
> > 
> > In the sentence you wrote, and underline would've been the appropriate 
> > method of emphasis, but even if you used that it would still look 
> > confusing since no emphasis is actually required in that sentence.
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> _______________________________________________
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Wed Feb  4 22:14:05 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 22:14:05 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W18D24D3C64919C154600F8993B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W631CC031C92A47D010ACCC993B0@phx.gbl>
 <C52F4021-BCCF-49B8-A551-AEFAB7A02418@cwis.biz>
 <BAY168-W92C635A0F92EBA3A877029993B0@phx.gbl>
 <D225E510-DF97-46D6-A525-61AAEA6EEABA@cwis.biz>
 <BAY168-W18D24D3C64919C154600F8993B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AA8AE943-0D75-41A5-8E1E-D73C119CA73F@cwis.biz>

You know... I am done. I am not going to repeat myself when the question is easily identified by its question mark, aka a "?"  

And, yes, that WAS condescension from me. 

I need to start filtering these emails on the server side. 

> On Feb 4, 2015, at 21:57, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I apologize. 
> 
> 3e. What was your question again? 
> 
> 4e. You are much smarter than me I hope I can answer your question.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -    -
> paul g
> 
> From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 21:54:30 -0600
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
> 
> So ... You don't want to answer my question?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 4, 2015, at 21:48, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you for your 'FAST' and 'Efficient' response. 
> 
> When I did initially acquire the Actiontec Q1000 device. I initially depressed and held the 'reset button' of course when the device is/was connected to the A/C power source but had kept/held the device back from the attachment of the LAN. For the duration of what I believe to be approximately 30 - 35 seconds. After that I kept the Actiontec Q1000 device off the LAN and 'hardwired' the Q1000 to my laptop via a 'cat 5' Ethernet cable. I then opened the Actiontec Q1000 interface GUI via the Firefox webrowser and within the Actiontec GUI --> Quick-Setup the device was listed under PPPoE ru1020.net <-- So of course that made me think 'why is this device listed under ru1020.net when I had just depressed the reset button for half a minute or more'?. Then I continued and attached the Q1000 device into the DSL service - RJ11 jack that I have outfitted exclusively for the most 'short/easy' DSL entry to this dwelling.  Same thing pulled up: ru1020.net on PPPoe 
> 
> I have at this time switched the PPP username to the properly acquired and established account name listed for my dwelling. 
> 
> Thank you for your help and 'Rapid' response,
> 
> From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:48:43 -0600
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
> 
> 
> On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:39 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Questions - 
> 
> 1a. Is it necessary to keep the above two addresses on the 'DHCP Reservation List' of the Actiontec Q1000 device?
> Probably not.
> 
> 2a. I believe I have no devices currently on the LAN utilizing the same 'MAC' address as the above 'DHCP' output has provided. Can I now safely 'remove' the above listed 'entities' from the DHCP Reservation List?
> Can you confirm you don?t have these on your LAN?  Oh 3A has important information - it?s a brand new modem. Confirm anyway. I have tools I use but they?re not Linux apps.
> 
> 3a. As per last week I was able to return the 'leased' ZyXel c1000z and have noticed by using the newly acquired Actiontec Q1000. Speeds are the same but the device has possible 'leakage' Are you aware of ports being actively left open on the Actiontec Q1000 device by any chance? 
> I?ve never been a fan of the Actiontec modems. They?re pretty cheap and I almost always put a piece of hardware in-between them and my network (like my netgate pfsense boxes).
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  4 22:51:51 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 22:51:51 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <AA8AE943-0D75-41A5-8E1E-D73C119CA73F@cwis.biz>
References: <BAY168-W631CC031C92A47D010ACCC993B0@phx.gbl>,
 <C52F4021-BCCF-49B8-A551-AEFAB7A02418@cwis.biz>,
 <BAY168-W92C635A0F92EBA3A877029993B0@phx.gbl>,
 <D225E510-DF97-46D6-A525-61AAEA6EEABA@cwis.biz>,
 <BAY168-W18D24D3C64919C154600F8993B0@phx.gbl>,
 <AA8AE943-0D75-41A5-8E1E-D73C119CA73F@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W268E3ECE972AEF41FBBD17993B0@phx.gbl>

     I have not been able to ever use anything you suggested to me in YOUR remarks to my questions thus far labeled as useful. It probably would be best that we no longer correspond between each other. Your answers are fast and dumb and by the word dumb I mean that. they cover such a wide approach that anyone using a search engine just has to read more information. To be quite honest with you I also see a state worker as being partially needy as you spend my tax dollars on unnecessary devices. You have a good day sir. 

+-
paul g  

From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 22:14:05 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.

You know... I am done. I am not going to repeat myself when the question is easily identified by its question mark, aka a "?"  
And, yes, that WAS condescension from me. 
I need to start filtering these emails on the server side. 
On Feb 4, 2015, at 21:57, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:




I apologize. 

3e. What was your question again? 

4e. You are much smarter than me I hope I can answer your question.

Thanks,

-    -
paul g

From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 21:54:30 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.

So ... You don't want to answer my question?




On Feb 4, 2015, at 21:48, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:




Thank you for your 'FAST' and 'Efficient' response. 

When I did initially acquire the Actiontec Q1000 device. I initially depressed and held the 'reset button' of course when the device is/was connected to the A/C power source but had kept/held the device back from the attachment of the LAN. For the duration of what I believe to be approximately 30 - 35 seconds. After that I kept the Actiontec Q1000 device off the LAN and 'hardwired' the Q1000 to my laptop via a 'cat 5' Ethernet cable. I then opened the Actiontec Q1000 interface GUI via the Firefox webrowser and within the Actiontec GUI --> Quick-Setup the device was listed under PPPoE ru1020.net <-- So of course that made me think 'why is this device listed under ru1020.net when I had just depressed the reset button for half a minute or more'?. Then I continued and attached the Q1000 device into the DSL service - RJ11 jack that I have outfitted exclusively for the most 'short/easy' DSL entry to this dwelling.  Same thing pulled up: ru1020.net on PPPoe 

I have at this time switched the PPP username to the properly acquired and established account name listed for my dwelling. 

Thank you for your help and 'Rapid' response,

From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:48:43 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.


On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:39 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:Questions - 

1a. Is it necessary to keep the above two addresses on the 'DHCP Reservation List' of the Actiontec Q1000 device?
Probably not.

2a. I believe I have no devices currently on the LAN utilizing the same 'MAC' address as the above 'DHCP' output has provided. Can I now safely 'remove' the above listed 'entities' from the DHCP Reservation List?
Can you confirm you don?t have these on your LAN?  Oh 3A has important information - it?s a brand new modem. Confirm anyway. I have tools I use but they?re not Linux apps.
3a. As per last week I was able to return the 'leased' ZyXel c1000z and have noticed by using the newly acquired Actiontec Q1000. Speeds are the same but the device has possible 'leakage' Are you aware of ports being actively left open on the Actiontec Q1000 device by any chance? 
I?ve never been a fan of the Actiontec modems. They?re pretty cheap and I almost always put a piece of hardware in-between them and my network (like my netgate pfsense boxes).

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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Wed Feb  4 22:59:11 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 22:59:11 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W268E3ECE972AEF41FBBD17993B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W631CC031C92A47D010ACCC993B0@phx.gbl>,
 <C52F4021-BCCF-49B8-A551-AEFAB7A02418@cwis.biz>,
 <BAY168-W92C635A0F92EBA3A877029993B0@phx.gbl>,
 <D225E510-DF97-46D6-A525-61AAEA6EEABA@cwis.biz>,
 <BAY168-W18D24D3C64919C154600F8993B0@phx.gbl>, 
 <AA8AE943-0D75-41A5-8E1E-D73C119CA73F@cwis.biz>
 <BAY168-W268E3ECE972AEF41FBBD17993B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502042258040.11488@cockerel.yaron.org>

Paul,

Right now, there is no way to ban someone from the list.

Stop giving us reasons to change that.



On Wed, 4 Feb 2015, paul g wrote:

> ???? I have not been able to ever use anything you suggested to me in YOUR
> remarks to my questions thus far labeled as useful. It probably would be
> best that we no longer correspond between each other. Your answers are fast
> and dumb and by the word dumb I mean that. they cover such a wide approach
> that anyone using a search engine just has to read more information. To be
> quite honest with you I also see a state worker as being partially needy as
> you spend my tax dollars on unnecessary devices. You have a good day sir.
> 
> +-
> paul g?
> 
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 22:14:05 -0600
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem -
> Question.
> 
> You know... I am done. I am not going to repeat myself when the question is
> easily identified by its question mark, aka a "?" ?
> 
> And, yes, that WAS condescension from me.?
> 
> I need to start filtering these emails on the server side.?
> 
> On Feb 4, 2015, at 21:57, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>       I apologize.
>
>       3e. What was your question again?
>
>       4e. You are much smarter than me I hope I can answer your
>       question.
>
>       Thanks,
>
>       -??? -
>       paul g
> 
> ____________________________________________________________________________
>       From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
>       Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 21:54:30 -0600
>       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000
>       modem - Question.
>
>       So ... You don't want to answer my question?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 4, 2015, at 21:48, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>       Thank you for your 'FAST' and 'Efficient' response.
>
>       When I did initially acquire the Actiontec Q1000 device. I
>       initially depressed and held the 'reset button' of course
>       when the device is/was connected to the A/C power source
>       but had kept/held the device back from the attachment of
>       the LAN. For the duration of what I believe to be
>       approximately 30 - 35 seconds. After that I kept the
>       Actiontec Q1000 device off the LAN and 'hardwired' the
>       Q1000 to my laptop via a 'cat 5' Ethernet cable. I then
>       opened the Actiontec Q1000 interface GUI via the Firefox
>       webrowser and within the Actiontec GUI --> Quick-Setup the
>       device was listed under PPPoE ru1020.net <-- So of course
>       that made me think 'why is this device listed under
>       ru1020.net when I had just depressed the reset button for
>       half a minute or more'?. Then I continued and attached the
>       Q1000 device into the DSL service - RJ11 jack that I have
>       outfitted exclusively for the most 'short/easy' DSL entry
>       to this dwelling.? Same thing pulled up: ru1020.net on
>       PPPoe
>
>       I have at this time switched the PPP username to the
>       properly acquired and established account name listed for
>       my dwelling.
>
>       Thank you for your help and 'Rapid' response,
> 
> ____________________________________________________________________________
>       From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
>       Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:48:43 -0600
>       To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>       Subject: Re: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on
>       Q1000 modem - Question.
> 
>
>             On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:39 PM, paul g
>             <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Questions -?
> 
> 1a. Is it necessary to keep the above two addresses on the
> 'DHCP Reservation List' of the Actiontec Q1000 device?
> 
> Probably not.
>
>       2a. I believe I have no devices currently on the LAN
>       utilizing the same 'MAC' address as the above 'DHCP'
>       output has provided. Can I now safely 'remove' the
>       above listed 'entities' from the DHCP Reservation
>       List?
> 
> Can you confirm you don?t have these on your LAN? ?Oh 3A has
> important information - it?s a brand new modem. Confirm anyway.
> I have tools I use but they?re not Linux apps.
>
>       3a. As per last week I was able to return the
>       'leased' ZyXel c1000z and have noticed by using the
>       newly acquired Actiontec Q1000. Speeds are the same
>       but the device has possible 'leakage' Are you aware
>       of ports being actively left open on the Actiontec
>       Q1000 device by any chance??
> 
> I?ve never been a fan of the Actiontec modems. They?re pretty
> cheap and I almost always put a piece of hardware in-between
> them and my network (like my netgate pfsense boxes).
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing
> List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>       _______________________________________________
>       TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>       tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>       http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>       _______________________________________________
>       TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>       tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>       http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List -
> Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
>

From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Thu Feb  5 00:29:23 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 00:29:23 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W268E3ECE972AEF41FBBD17993B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W631CC031C92A47D010ACCC993B0@phx.gbl> <,
 > <C52F4021-BCCF-49B8-A551-AEFAB7A02418@cwis.biz> <,
 > <BAY168-W92C635A0F92EBA3A877029993B0@phx.gbl> <,
 > <D225E510-DF97-46D6-A525-61AAEA6EEABA@cwis.biz> <,
 > <BAY168-W18D24D3C64919C154600F8993B0@phx.gbl> <,
 > <AA8AE943-0D75-41A5-8E1E-D73C119CA73F@cwis.biz>
 <BAY168-W268E3ECE972AEF41FBBD17993B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D95C4FC5-DF2F-449E-B410-FB017D2638A7@cwis.biz>

Bi-polar maybe? Just three days ago you thanked me. Two months ago you asked me to teach you what I knew about BSD.

Please pay attention to the tenor of the emails others write on this list and follow suit. We don?t stumble over our emails, request forgiveness for not knowing, etc. But we also use all the tools at our disposal.

And I?ll be honest - you?re now offending people? that?s not a good place to be.
?
Ryan


> On Feb 4, 2015, at 10:51 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>      I have not been able to ever use anything you suggested to me in YOUR remarks to my questions thus far labeled as useful. It probably would be best that we no longer correspond between each other. Your answers are fast and dumb and by the word dumb I mean that. they cover such a wide approach that anyone using a search engine just has to read more information. To be quite honest with you I also see a state worker as being partially needy as you spend my tax dollars on unnecessary devices. You have a good day sir. 
> 
> +-
> paul g  
> 
> From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 22:14:05 -0600
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
> 
> You know... I am done. I am not going to repeat myself when the question is easily identified by its question mark, aka a "?"  
> 
> And, yes, that WAS condescension from me. 
> 
> I need to start filtering these emails on the server side. 
> 
> On Feb 4, 2015, at 21:57, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com <mailto:pj.world at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> I apologize. 
> 
> 3e. What was your question again? 
> 
> 4e. You are much smarter than me I hope I can answer your question.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -    -
> paul g
> 
> From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz <mailto:ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>
> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 21:54:30 -0600
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
> 
> So ... You don't want to answer my question?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 4, 2015, at 21:48, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com <mailto:pj.world at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Thank you for your 'FAST' and 'Efficient' response. 
> 
> When I did initially acquire the Actiontec Q1000 device. I initially depressed and held the 'reset button' of course when the device is/was connected to the A/C power source but had kept/held the device back from the attachment of the LAN. For the duration of what I believe to be approximately 30 - 35 seconds. After that I kept the Actiontec Q1000 device off the LAN and 'hardwired' the Q1000 to my laptop via a 'cat 5' Ethernet cable. I then opened the Actiontec Q1000 interface GUI via the Firefox webrowser and within the Actiontec GUI --> Quick-Setup the device was listed under PPPoE ru1020.net <http://ru1020.net/> <-- So of course that made me think 'why is this device listed under ru1020.net <http://ru1020.net/> when I had just depressed the reset button for half a minute or more'?. Then I continued and attached the Q1000 device into the DSL service - RJ11 jack that I have outfitted exclusively for the most 'short/easy' DSL entry to this dwelling.  Same thing pulled up: ru1020.net <http://ru1020.net/> on PPPoe 
> 
> I have at this time switched the PPP username to the properly acquired and established account name listed for my dwelling. 
> 
> Thank you for your help and 'Rapid' response,
> 
> From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz <mailto:ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>
> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:48:43 -0600
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
> 
> 
> On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:39 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com <mailto:pj.world at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> Questions - 
> 
> 1a. Is it necessary to keep the above two addresses on the 'DHCP Reservation List' of the Actiontec Q1000 device?
> Probably not.
> 
> 2a. I believe I have no devices currently on the LAN utilizing the same 'MAC' address as the above 'DHCP' output has provided. Can I now safely 'remove' the above listed 'entities' from the DHCP Reservation List?
> Can you confirm you don?t have these on your LAN?  Oh 3A has important information - it?s a brand new modem. Confirm anyway. I have tools I use but they?re not Linux apps.
> 
> 3a. As per last week I was able to return the 'leased' ZyXel c1000z and have noticed by using the newly acquired Actiontec Q1000. Speeds are the same but the device has possible 'leakage' Are you aware of ports being actively left open on the Actiontec Q1000 device by any chance? 
> I?ve never been a fan of the Actiontec modems. They?re pretty cheap and I almost always put a piece of hardware in-between them and my network (like my netgate pfsense boxes).
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
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> 
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> 
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Thu Feb  5 00:53:10 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 00:53:10 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <D95C4FC5-DF2F-449E-B410-FB017D2638A7@cwis.biz>
References: <BAY168-W631CC031C92A47D010ACCC993B0@phx.gbl> <,,>
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Message-ID: <BAY168-W704037B48F5FAB0D02AD04993B0@phx.gbl>

An 'entity' should never begin a sentence with the following word --> And . There was a period placed after the entire line. Thus declaring the sentence as complete. I apologize for my misunderstanding of the language. Never ever start a sentence with the following -> "And, If, Or, But. Uppercase or lower case lettering it simply does not matter. 

+-- 
paul g

From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 00:29:23 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.

Bi-polar maybe? Just three days ago you thanked me. Two months ago you asked me to teach you what I knew about BSD.
Please pay attention to the tenor of the emails others write on this list and follow suit. We don?t stumble over our emails, request forgiveness for not knowing, etc. But we also use all the tools at our disposal.
And I?ll be honest - you?re now offending people? that?s not a good place to be.?Ryan

On Feb 4, 2015, at 10:51 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:     I have not been able to ever use anything you suggested to me in YOUR remarks to my questions thus far labeled as useful. It probably would be best that we no longer correspond between each other. Your answers are fast and dumb and by the word dumb I mean that. they cover such a wide approach that anyone using a search engine just has to read more information. To be quite honest with you I also see a state worker as being partially needy as you spend my tax dollars on unnecessary devices. You have a good day sir. 

+-
paul g  

From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 22:14:05 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.

You know... I am done. I am not going to repeat myself when the question is easily identified by its question mark, aka a "?"  
And, yes, that WAS condescension from me. 
I need to start filtering these emails on the server side. 
On Feb 4, 2015, at 21:57, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:

I apologize. 

3e. What was your question again? 

4e. You are much smarter than me I hope I can answer your question.

Thanks,

-    -
paul g

From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 21:54:30 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.

So ... You don't want to answer my question?




On Feb 4, 2015, at 21:48, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:

Thank you for your 'FAST' and 'Efficient' response. 

When I did initially acquire the Actiontec Q1000 device. I initially depressed and held the 'reset button' of course when the device is/was connected to the A/C power source but had kept/held the device back from the attachment of the LAN. For the duration of what I believe to be approximately 30 - 35 seconds. After that I kept the Actiontec Q1000 device off the LAN and 'hardwired' the Q1000 to my laptop via a 'cat 5' Ethernet cable. I then opened the Actiontec Q1000 interface GUI via the Firefox webrowser and within the Actiontec GUI --> Quick-Setup the device was listed under PPPoE ru1020.net <-- So of course that made me think 'why is this device listed under ru1020.net when I had just depressed the reset button for half a minute or more'?. Then I continued and attached the Q1000 device into the DSL service - RJ11 jack that I have outfitted exclusively for the most 'short/easy' DSL entry to this dwelling.  Same thing pulled up: ru1020.net on PPPoe 

I have at this time switched the PPP username to the properly acquired and established account name listed for my dwelling. 

Thank you for your help and 'Rapid' response,

From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 20:48:43 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.


On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:39 PM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:Questions - 

1a. Is it necessary to keep the above two addresses on the 'DHCP Reservation List' of the Actiontec Q1000 device?
Probably not.

2a. I believe I have no devices currently on the LAN utilizing the same 'MAC' address as the above 'DHCP' output has provided. Can I now safely 'remove' the above listed 'entities' from the DHCP Reservation List?
Can you confirm you don?t have these on your LAN?  Oh 3A has important information - it?s a brand new modem. Confirm anyway. I have tools I use but they?re not Linux apps.
3a. As per last week I was able to return the 'leased' ZyXel c1000z and have noticed by using the newly acquired Actiontec Q1000. Speeds are the same but the device has possible 'leakage' Are you aware of ports being actively left open on the Actiontec Q1000 device by any chance? 
I?ve never been a fan of the Actiontec modems. They?re pretty cheap and I almost always put a piece of hardware in-between them and my network (like my netgate pfsense boxes).

_______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list_______________________________________________
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From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 01:00:36 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W704037B48F5FAB0D02AD04993B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W631CC031C92A47D010ACCC993B0@phx.gbl> <, ,
 > <C52F4021-BCCF-49B8-A551-AEFAB7A02418@cwis.biz> <, ,
 > <BAY168-W92C635A0F92EBA3A877029993B0@phx.gbl> <, ,
 > <D225E510-DF97-46D6-A525-61AAEA6EEABA@cwis.biz> <, ,
 > <BAY168-W18D24D3C64919C154600F8993B0@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502050056270.11488@cockerel.yaron.org>

On Thu, 5 Feb 2015, paul g wrote:

> An 'entity' should never begin a sentence with the following word --> And .

Incorrect. It is perfectly acceptable, grammatically, to begin a sentence 
with a coordinating conjunction (such as "and", "but", "for", etc.)

It is also grammatically acceptable to start a sentence with a 
preposition. Both above suppositions are incredibly common misconceptions.

And Paul, you are in a major glass house when it comes to correct usage of 
language and grammar.


--

From pj.world at hotmail.com  Thu Feb  5 01:05:19 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 01:05:19 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502050056270.11488@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <BAY168-W631CC031C92A47D010ACCC993B0@phx.gbl> <, ,,>
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Message-ID: <BAY168-W563BDDF8CB2B236F91775B993B0@phx.gbl>

Then I give up i'm done. 

Goodbye.

> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 01:00:36 -0600
> From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
> 
> On Thu, 5 Feb 2015, paul g wrote:
> 
> > An 'entity' should never begin a sentence with the following word --> And .
> 
> Incorrect. It is perfectly acceptable, grammatically, to begin a sentence 
> with a coordinating conjunction (such as "and", "but", "for", etc.)
> 
> It is also grammatically acceptable to start a sentence with a 
> preposition. Both above suppositions are incredibly common misconceptions.
> 
> And Paul, you are in a major glass house when it comes to correct usage of 
> language and grammar.
> 
> 
> --
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
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From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 01:08:01 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W563BDDF8CB2B236F91775B993B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W631CC031C92A47D010ACCC993B0@phx.gbl> <, , ,
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 > <BAY168-W18D24D3C64919C154600F8993B0@phx.gbl>, <, 
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On Thu, 5 Feb 2015, paul g wrote:

> Then I give up i'm done.
> 
> Goodbye.

I'm sure we all wish we could believe that.


From pj.world at hotmail.com  Thu Feb  5 01:20:41 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 01:20:41 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502050107140.11488@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <BAY168-W631CC031C92A47D010ACCC993B0@phx.gbl> <, , ,,>
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Message-ID: <BAY168-W67AA7A3E7909E00334B9EA993B0@phx.gbl>

Don't worry this place has been helpful but horrible at the same time. I'm out totally done. 

I am going back to the garage to have a cigarette and no I do not use any drugs. I drink some beer but that's all.

You have been most helpful. i'll just put the cans in the trash from now on since I never before have ever littered. 

Goodbye TC-LUG 

+--[



> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 01:08:01 -0600
> From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
> 
> On Thu, 5 Feb 2015, paul g wrote:
> 
> > Then I give up i'm done.
> > 
> > Goodbye.
> 
> I'm sure we all wish we could believe that.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Thu Feb  5 01:27:33 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 01:27:33 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W67AA7A3E7909E00334B9EA993B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W631CC031C92A47D010ACCC993B0@phx.gbl> <, , , ,
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 > <D225E510-DF97-46D6-A525-61AAEA6EEABA@cwis.biz> <, , , ,
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 > <BAY168-W704037B48F5FAB0D02AD04993B0@phx.gbl> <, > <,
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Message-ID: <22505A57-A8AB-4FC4-80C8-4041FBC166DE@cwis.biz>

Paul,

Please unsubscribe yourself this time. You?ve said you?re leaving twice before and didn?t.
Guilt trips are something for elementary school - not mailing lists.



> On Feb 5, 2015, at 1:20 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Don't worry this place has been helpful but horrible at the same time. I'm out totally done. 
> 
> I am going back to the garage to have a cigarette and no I do not use any drugs. I drink some beer but that's all.
> 
> You have been most helpful. i'll just put the cans in the trash from now on since I never before have ever littered. 
> 
> Goodbye TC-LUG 
> 
> +--[
> 
> 
> 
> > Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 01:08:01 -0600
> > From: tclug at freakzilla.com <mailto:tclug at freakzilla.com>
> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
> > 
> > On Thu, 5 Feb 2015, paul g wrote:
> > 
> > > Then I give up i'm done.
> > > 
> > > Goodbye.
> > 
> > I'm sure we all wish we could believe that.
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
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From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 01:31:26 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <22505A57-A8AB-4FC4-80C8-4041FBC166DE@cwis.biz>
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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502050130250.11488@cockerel.yaron.org>

On Thu, 5 Feb 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:

> Guilt trips are something for elementary school - not mailing lists.

That's supposed to be a guilt-trip??? Man. I guess I need to go thank my 
mom for desensitising me now...

From pj.world at hotmail.com  Thu Feb  5 01:57:27 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 01:57:27 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <22505A57-A8AB-4FC4-80C8-4041FBC166DE@cwis.biz>
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Ryan, I am unsubscribing at this time. I have saved a few message concerning Slackware. AL F wrote an article I have saved concerning funtoo. Believe me I will never miss you. I hope this makes your life easier and more fun. I really do think though I will miss talking with you because you are very smart. Oh whatever let's get on with it. 

Ryan,

Please abuse the United States of America tax payer daily in your constant affairs to run silly web based facilities to upheave private sector website situations. 

Case: 135t: Unsolved and monitored.



From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 01:27:33 -0600
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.

Paul,
Please unsubscribe yourself this time. You?ve said you?re leaving twice before and didn?t.Guilt trips are something for elementary school - not mailing lists.


On Feb 5, 2015, at 1:20 AM, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:Don't worry this place has been helpful but horrible at the same time. I'm out totally done. 

I am going back to the garage to have a cigarette and no I do not use any drugs. I drink some beer but that's all.

You have been most helpful. i'll just put the cans in the trash from now on since I never before have ever littered. 

Goodbye TC-LUG 

+--[



> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 01:08:01 -0600
> From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
> 
> On Thu, 5 Feb 2015, paul g wrote:
> 
> > Then I give up i'm done.
> > 
> > Goodbye.
> 
> I'm sure we all wish we could believe that.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Thu Feb  5 02:00:22 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 02:00:22 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W52C8F59BA27BA16E1E161B993B0@phx.gbl>
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On Thu, 5 Feb 2015, paul g wrote:

> Ryan, I am unsubscribing at this time.

Five bucks says he's lying.

> Ryan,
> 
> Please abuse the United States of America tax payer daily in your constant
> affairs to run silly web based facilities to upheave private sector website
> situations.

What the hell did I just read?

From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Thu Feb  5 02:07:48 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 02:07:48 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502050159180.11488@cockerel.yaron.org>
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> On Feb 5, 2015, at 02:00, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, 5 Feb 2015, paul g wrote:
>> 
>> Ryan, I am unsubscribing at this time.
> 
> Five bucks says he's lying.

No bet. But I'll buy the first beer at Keegans when he posts again. 

>> Ryan,
>> Please abuse the United States of America tax payer daily in your constant
>> affairs to run silly web based facilities to upheave private sector website
>> situations.
> 
> What the hell did I just read?


I have absolutely no idea. I fall back to my diagnosis from earlier - and one I thought I made here this summer - and maybe add delusional to it as well. 

From tclug at freakzilla.com  Thu Feb  5 02:13:52 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 02:13:52 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <07C6822F-1DBD-4610-A692-2A547A431DA3@cwis.biz>
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On Thu, 5 Feb 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:

>> Five bucks says he's lying.
> No bet. But I'll buy the first beer at Keegans when he posts again.

Do they have fries at this Keegans you speak of? (;

>> What the hell did I just read?
> I have absolutely no idea.

That's too bad, it sounded interesting. I kinda wanted in on it.

> I fall back to my diagnosis from earlier - and one I thought I made here 
> this summer - and maybe add delusional to it as well.

I almost want to start a Twin Cities paul g Observation Mailing List, 
because I have lots of ideas and theories but they're HOPEFULLY extremely 
off-topic on this list.

From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Thu Feb  5 02:18:01 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 02:18:01 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502050211130.11488@cockerel.yaron.org>
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> On Feb 5, 2015, at 02:13, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 5 Feb 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> 
>>> Five bucks says he's lying.
>> No bet. But I'll buy the first beer at Keegans when he posts again.
> 
> Do they have fries at this Keegans you speak of? (;

Sorta. Seasoned wedges. 

>>> What the hell did I just read?
>> I have absolutely no idea.
> 
> That's too bad, it sounded interesting. I kinda wanted in on it.
> 
>> I fall back to my diagnosis from earlier - and one I thought I made here this summer - and maybe add delusional to it as well.
> 
> I almost want to start a Twin Cities paul g Observation Mailing List, because I have lots of ideas and theories but they're HOPEFULLY extremely off-topic on this list.


Last item. Answer to one of the long clues in today's NYT Crossword: https://youtube.com/watch?v=MzGnX-MbYE4

Dead is the thread. Never live this thread again?

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From lkateley at kateley.com  Thu Feb  5 07:31:02 2015
From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 07:31:02 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <835C458C-E2B7-4CB8-9F38-A7682ADB730D@cwis.biz>
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Message-ID: <9DAD3CC4-6437-4E07-9756-F8D3C77B783D@kateley.com>

Hey Ryan,

If you think the q1k is junk is there a modem you prefer? Excuse me for not reading through all the drama to see if this was already in this thread...

I have a q but don't trust it

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 5, 2015, at 2:18 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 5, 2015, at 02:13, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:
>> 
>> On Thu, 5 Feb 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>> 
>>>> Five bucks says he's lying.
>>> No bet. But I'll buy the first beer at Keegans when he posts again.
>> 
>> Do they have fries at this Keegans you speak of? (;
> 
> Sorta. Seasoned wedges. 
> 
>>>> What the hell did I just read?
>>> I have absolutely no idea.
>> 
>> That's too bad, it sounded interesting. I kinda wanted in on it.
>> 
>>> I fall back to my diagnosis from earlier - and one I thought I made here this summer - and maybe add delusional to it as well.
>> 
>> I almost want to start a Twin Cities paul g Observation Mailing List, because I have lots of ideas and theories but they're HOPEFULLY extremely off-topic on this list.
> 
> 
> Last item. Answer to one of the long clues in today's NYT Crossword: https://youtube.com/watch?v=MzGnX-MbYE4
> 
> Dead is the thread. Never live this thread again?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Thu Feb  5 07:37:32 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 07:37:32 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <9DAD3CC4-6437-4E07-9756-F8D3C77B783D@kateley.com>
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 82ADB730D@cwis.biz> <9DAD3CC4-6437-4E07-9756-F8D3C77B783D@kateley.com>
Message-ID: <1B2F0277-5070-40CC-BF76-1A10AA7E2046@cwis.biz>

Nope. It?s an issue mainly that it?s CenturyLink more than anything else.

I haven?t managed a DSL network in the last 3 years.

> On Feb 5, 2015, at 7:31 AM, Linda Kateley <lkateley at kateley.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Ryan,
> 
> If you think the q1k is junk is there a modem you prefer? Excuse me for not reading through all the drama to see if this was already in this thread...
> 
> I have a q but don't trust it
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Feb 5, 2015, at 2:18 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz <mailto:ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 5, 2015, at 02:13, tclug at freakzilla.com <mailto:tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, 5 Feb 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> Five bucks says he's lying.
>>>> No bet. But I'll buy the first beer at Keegans when he posts again.
>>> 
>>> Do they have fries at this Keegans you speak of? (;
>> 
>> Sorta. Seasoned wedges. 
>> 
>>>>> What the hell did I just read?
>>>> I have absolutely no idea.
>>> 
>>> That's too bad, it sounded interesting. I kinda wanted in on it.
>>> 
>>>> I fall back to my diagnosis from earlier - and one I thought I made here this summer - and maybe add delusional to it as well.
>>> 
>>> I almost want to start a Twin Cities paul g Observation Mailing List, because I have lots of ideas and theories but they're HOPEFULLY extremely off-topic on this list.
>> 
>> 
>> Last item. Answer to one of the long clues in today's NYT Crossword: https://youtube.com/watch?v=MzGnX-MbYE4 <https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MzGnX-MbYE4>
>> 
>> Dead is the thread. Never live this thread again?
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
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From admin at lctn.org  Thu Feb  5 11:41:41 2015
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 11:41:41 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Strange network / Squid problem
Message-ID: <54D3AB55.8090909@lctn.org>

I have the following scenario:

  Verizon Aps are configured to run associated devices through a GRE 
tunnel between Verizon to our network, using a 10.99.0.0/16 subnet which 
is mangled to 10.10.1.1 (local network) Policy based routing sends all 
port 80 and 443 traffic originating from 10.99.0.0/16 to qlproxy IP 
(10.10.1.85) (squid proxy). IPtables on qlproxy box port-forwards all 80 
and 443 traffic to 3126 & 3127. Qlproxy (4.0) has appropriate 
transparent and ssl_bump rules to process incoming traffic.


Squid logs show the request for web pages is made via the policy based 
routing (Mikrotik Firewall/Router), but nothing is returned to the 
requesting device. It just simply times out after a long wait.

However, if I configure a tunnelled device to use port 3128 in the proxy 
settings of the browser, or if a tunnelled device requests the proxy url 
via port 80, web requests start working, as expected for the configured 
device , as well as for all devices that are hitting the proxy 
transparently from the tunnel.

This will work as long as some form of traffic from the tunnelled 
devices is generated. If things are left dormant for 3-5 minutes traffic 
will stop working again, until a device requests the proxy url via port 
80. As a workaround to minimize complaints I created a cron job, using 
wget of the proxy url, which runs every couple minutes. As long as the 
wget command runs, Internet works fine for all tunnelled devices.

On a side note, policy routing of local 10.10.0.0/16 devices works just 
fine running through the proxy transparently, without interruptions, 
even when the tunnelled devices cease working. Internet works fine if we 
send tunnelled traffic through and NAT the same as the 10.10.0.0/16 network


Any ideas?

-- 
Raymond Norton
LCTN
952.955.7766


From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Thu Feb  5 19:47:26 2015
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 19:47:26 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu Global Jam (Meet Saturday Feb 7th)
Message-ID: <54D41D2E.7000303@Goecke-Dolan.com>


I am helping try and organize a get together for the Ubuntu Global Jam.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam

Looking to get together Saturday Feb 7th during the day, probably in the 
Southern Suburbs ? (We have a couple of people come from southern 
Minnesota who would come up.)

We would have to decide on a place and time!

Please email me back if you are interested.

Thanks.

==>brian.


From tlunde at gmail.com  Thu Feb  5 22:01:43 2015
From: tlunde at gmail.com (T L)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 22:01:43 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <9DAD3CC4-6437-4E07-9756-F8D3C77B783D@kateley.com>
References: <BAY168-W631CC031C92A47D010ACCC993B0@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <CAE0VmCzjktgiO--ZOT9Ay=a23ZyKy+5ximjWZHRPA8RCfrs5mQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have a Q1000 that's about four or five years old. It's not great, but
seems to be a step up from the previous Actiontec gear from Qwest.

Using it statically routing to another wireless router that provides dhcp,
WiFi, port forwarding, etc for the house, it "only" needs to be rebooted
every few months. :-(  Pretty typical consumer class networking gear.

Thomas
On Feb 5, 2015 7:31 AM, "Linda Kateley" <lkateley at kateley.com> wrote:

> Hey Ryan,
>
> If you think the q1k is junk is there a modem you prefer? Excuse me for
> not reading through all the drama to see if this was already in this
> thread...
>
> I have a q but don't trust it
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 5, 2015, at 2:18 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Feb 5, 2015, at 02:13, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:
>
> On Thu, 5 Feb 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>
> Five bucks says he's lying.
>
> No bet. But I'll buy the first beer at Keegans when he posts again.
>
>
> Do they have fries at this Keegans you speak of? (;
>
>
> Sorta. Seasoned wedges.
>
> What the hell did I just read?
>
> I have absolutely no idea.
>
>
> That's too bad, it sounded interesting. I kinda wanted in on it.
>
> I fall back to my diagnosis from earlier - and one I thought I made here
> this summer - and maybe add delusional to it as well.
>
>
> I almost want to start a Twin Cities paul g Observation Mailing List,
> because I have lots of ideas and theories but they're HOPEFULLY extremely
> off-topic on this list.
>
>
>
> Last item. Answer to one of the long clues in today's NYT Crossword:
> https://youtube.com/watch?v=MzGnX-MbYE4
> <https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MzGnX-MbYE4>
>
> Dead is the thread. Never live this thread again?
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
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> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From kenlynes at usa.net  Fri Feb  6 09:14:31 2015
From: kenlynes at usa.net (Kenneth Lynes)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 09:14:31 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] UEFI
Message-ID: <893TBFPNf0256S08.1423235671@web08.cms.usa.net>

Hi guys,
I was recently putting ubuntu 14.10 on a hp 2000 laptop and making it dual
boot with the current win 8 on the machine. 
I got the linux disk to boot live by changing the boot order in bios without
too much difficulty. I think I might have had to enable legacy boot first, but
I cant recall right now.
Then the problems began. I installed using the built in method from the disk
so I did not do the partitioning myself.

Linux installed ok, but it was necessary to interupt the boot using the escape
key (I found this method on line when searching for a solution) and then hit
the F10 key to get to the boot menu option. Then you hit F9 and choose to boot
from the hdd. Then you get to the grub menu and can choose your os.

Unfortunately you have to do this method on every re-boot of the computer in
order to get into the grub menu. If you are not prompt with the esc key you
will boot right into win 8.

So, I found the program made by Roderick Smith called ReFind and went through
the method suggested to get it from the repository and install it in the linux
os I had installed. I then ran the program and all went really well.

Afterwards when you reboot the computer or start it from being off, you get
the menu which ReFind installs for you and you can choose which os to boot
up.

I dont know how many others are having issues installing ubuntu or other linux
distros alongside of win 8 on one of these Bill Gates computers from hell, but
this should help.
I donated to his site and I think it is worth it.
I will try this program on any of the UEFI machines I confront with how to get
linux installed as an equal along side of Mr Gates os's.

As a side note, I had wondered what would take place if I had just simply
overwrote win 8 and made the computer entirely linux. I am not sure it would
boot up without doing something else to make the bios UEFI secure boot see the
hdd. It is supposed to look at all the secure boot list first and then go to
the legacy boot list where the hdd is listed as one of the boot items. 

I hope I have explained what I did properly. This program or something like it
should be in every linux distro in my opinion.
BTW the ReFind program replaced or improved the earlier one called REFit..


From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Fri Feb  6 09:19:18 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 09:19:18 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
In-Reply-To: <CAE0VmCzjktgiO--ZOT9Ay=a23ZyKy+5ximjWZHRPA8RCfrs5mQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY168-W631CC031C92A47D010ACCC993B0@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <CEB010B3-C750-4C10-9D14-021273055ACA@cwis.biz>

I think we still have that at the pub. Garbage for business needs, for sure, if it is.

When I put the netgate pfsense box in the middle we stopped having to reboot the router.

> On Feb 5, 2015, at 10:01 PM, T L <tlunde at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a Q1000 that's about four or five years old. It's not great, but seems to be a step up from the previous Actiontec gear from Qwest.
> 
> Using it statically routing to another wireless router that provides dhcp, WiFi, port forwarding, etc for the house, it "only" needs to be rebooted every few months. :-(  Pretty typical consumer class networking gear.
> 
> Thomas
> 
> On Feb 5, 2015 7:31 AM, "Linda Kateley" <lkateley at kateley.com <mailto:lkateley at kateley.com>> wrote:
> Hey Ryan,
> 
> If you think the q1k is junk is there a modem you prefer? Excuse me for not reading through all the drama to see if this was already in this thread...
> 
> I have a q but don't trust it
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Feb 5, 2015, at 2:18 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz <mailto:ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 5, 2015, at 02:13, tclug at freakzilla.com <mailto:tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, 5 Feb 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> Five bucks says he's lying.
>>>> No bet. But I'll buy the first beer at Keegans when he posts again.
>>> 
>>> Do they have fries at this Keegans you speak of? (;
>> 
>> Sorta. Seasoned wedges. 
>> 
>>>>> What the hell did I just read?
>>>> I have absolutely no idea.
>>> 
>>> That's too bad, it sounded interesting. I kinda wanted in on it.
>>> 
>>>> I fall back to my diagnosis from earlier - and one I thought I made here this summer - and maybe add delusional to it as well.
>>> 
>>> I almost want to start a Twin Cities paul g Observation Mailing List, because I have lots of ideas and theories but they're HOPEFULLY extremely off-topic on this list.
>> 
>> 
>> Last item. Answer to one of the long clues in today's NYT Crossword: https://youtube.com/watch?v=MzGnX-MbYE4 <https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MzGnX-MbYE4>
>> 
>> Dead is the thread. Never live this thread again?
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
> 
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From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com  Fri Feb  6 09:46:10 2015
From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 09:46:10 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] UEFI
In-Reply-To: <893TBFPNf0256S08.1423235671@web08.cms.usa.net>
References: <893TBFPNf0256S08.1423235671@web08.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <CACEdYO12XE8=cyMp6_aTFY561GNj_TFsEghaQgjEs0KK7e2EYw@mail.gmail.com>

rEFIt was great for Mac's and booting to Linux, back when I worked with them.

I go the bios boot route at home, one drive with an MBR Linux
partition and the other with Win8 UEFI. I'm in Linux most of the time,
so it's not a big time killer, but maybe someday I'll look at the new
fork of rEFIt, thanks for mentioning this, and glad to hear it worked
out so well for you (the new bios firmware is a headache for most of
us).
--
Jeremy MountainJohnson
Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com


On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 9:14 AM, Kenneth Lynes <kenlynes at usa.net> wrote:
> Hi guys,
> I was recently putting ubuntu 14.10 on a hp 2000 laptop and making it dual
> boot with the current win 8 on the machine.
> I got the linux disk to boot live by changing the boot order in bios without
> too much difficulty. I think I might have had to enable legacy boot first, but
> I cant recall right now.
> Then the problems began. I installed using the built in method from the disk
> so I did not do the partitioning myself.
>
> Linux installed ok, but it was necessary to interupt the boot using the escape
> key (I found this method on line when searching for a solution) and then hit
> the F10 key to get to the boot menu option. Then you hit F9 and choose to boot
> from the hdd. Then you get to the grub menu and can choose your os.
>
> Unfortunately you have to do this method on every re-boot of the computer in
> order to get into the grub menu. If you are not prompt with the esc key you
> will boot right into win 8.
>
> So, I found the program made by Roderick Smith called ReFind and went through
> the method suggested to get it from the repository and install it in the linux
> os I had installed. I then ran the program and all went really well.
>
> Afterwards when you reboot the computer or start it from being off, you get
> the menu which ReFind installs for you and you can choose which os to boot
> up.
>
> I dont know how many others are having issues installing ubuntu or other linux
> distros alongside of win 8 on one of these Bill Gates computers from hell, but
> this should help.
> I donated to his site and I think it is worth it.
> I will try this program on any of the UEFI machines I confront with how to get
> linux installed as an equal along side of Mr Gates os's.
>
> As a side note, I had wondered what would take place if I had just simply
> overwrote win 8 and made the computer entirely linux. I am not sure it would
> boot up without doing something else to make the bios UEFI secure boot see the
> hdd. It is supposed to look at all the secure boot list first and then go to
> the legacy boot list where the hdd is listed as one of the boot items.
>
> I hope I have explained what I did properly. This program or something like it
> should be in every linux distro in my opinion.
> BTW the ReFind program replaced or improved the earlier one called REFit..
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From sethmiller.sm at gmail.com  Fri Feb  6 10:00:27 2015
From: sethmiller.sm at gmail.com (Seth Miller)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 10:00:27 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] UEFI
In-Reply-To: <893TBFPNf0256S08.1423235671@web08.cms.usa.net>
References: <893TBFPNf0256S08.1423235671@web08.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <CAEueRAWOv48fsq3AG3qTLdUStn9iAC1Ajb_sQRit9L0yR4yiUw@mail.gmail.com>

Not that I don't like a good Bill Gates pile-on but he has had nothing to
do with Microsoft (other than taking a paycheck) for nearly 10 years. UEFI
was created by Intel, not Microsoft which is where it sounds like most of
the problems you are facing have come from.

On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 9:14 AM, Kenneth Lynes <kenlynes at usa.net> wrote:

> Hi guys,
> I was recently putting ubuntu 14.10 on a hp 2000 laptop and making it dual
> boot with the current win 8 on the machine.
> I got the linux disk to boot live by changing the boot order in bios
> without
> too much difficulty. I think I might have had to enable legacy boot first,
> but
> I cant recall right now.
> Then the problems began. I installed using the built in method from the
> disk
> so I did not do the partitioning myself.
>
> Linux installed ok, but it was necessary to interupt the boot using the
> escape
> key (I found this method on line when searching for a solution) and then
> hit
> the F10 key to get to the boot menu option. Then you hit F9 and choose to
> boot
> from the hdd. Then you get to the grub menu and can choose your os.
>
> Unfortunately you have to do this method on every re-boot of the computer
> in
> order to get into the grub menu. If you are not prompt with the esc key you
> will boot right into win 8.
>
> So, I found the program made by Roderick Smith called ReFind and went
> through
> the method suggested to get it from the repository and install it in the
> linux
> os I had installed. I then ran the program and all went really well.
>
> Afterwards when you reboot the computer or start it from being off, you get
> the menu which ReFind installs for you and you can choose which os to boot
> up.
>
> I dont know how many others are having issues installing ubuntu or other
> linux
> distros alongside of win 8 on one of these Bill Gates computers from hell,
> but
> this should help.
> I donated to his site and I think it is worth it.
> I will try this program on any of the UEFI machines I confront with how to
> get
> linux installed as an equal along side of Mr Gates os's.
>
> As a side note, I had wondered what would take place if I had just simply
> overwrote win 8 and made the computer entirely linux. I am not sure it
> would
> boot up without doing something else to make the bios UEFI secure boot see
> the
> hdd. It is supposed to look at all the secure boot list first and then go
> to
> the legacy boot list where the hdd is listed as one of the boot items.
>
> I hope I have explained what I did properly. This program or something
> like it
> should be in every linux distro in my opinion.
> BTW the ReFind program replaced or improved the earlier one called REFit..
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  6 10:48:29 2015
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 16:48:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [tclug-list] Chrome/Chromium Slowdown on U14.10
Message-ID: <1936816766.871789.1423241309890.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Not sure where to take this, so I thought I'd start here. One day I started to notice very sluggish performance with Chrome on my U14.10: A page would scroll with huge lags, typing in the address bar would autocomplete so slowly that my keyboard typing order got totally dyslexic. So I did everything suggested: blew out the old config, deactivated all extensions, turned off sync. No dice. I finally uninstalled it and installed Chromium. That seemed to solve the problem! But just now I took a Chromium upgrade -- to "Version 40.0.2214.94 Ubuntu 14.10 (64-bit)" -- and the problems are back. I remember Chrome was on that 40.x when the problems first appeared.
So where can I take this issue/complaint?
LB
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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Fri Feb  6 13:29:02 2015
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 13:29:02 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Chrome/Chromium Slowdown on U14.10
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9BFbBhhtUeaK-qsdCevk4YqApfvk2-WCXZ_vs4kjU6rKA@mail.gmail.com>

>
> very sluggish performance with Chrome on my U14.10: A page would scroll
> with huge lags, typing in the address bar would autocomplete so slowly that
> my keyboard typing order got totally dyslexic. So I did everything
> suggested: blew out the old config, deactivated all extensions, turned off
> sync. No dice. I finally uninstalled it and installed Chromium. That seemed
> to solve the problem! But just now I took a Chromium upgrade -- to "Version
> 40.0.2214.94 Ubuntu 14.10 (64-bit)" -- and the problems are back. I
> remember Chrome was on that 40.x when the problems first appeared.
>

my word for that is "bogged".  the onus is on you to narrow it down.  i
start with htop (tho top will do).  is memory so trashed that you're bogged
thrashing?  if so what's the memory hog?  or is it just the cpu that's
bogged?  what process(es)?  i usually sort by accumulated cpu, that usually
puts the suspects at the top.  ok, it's likely it was the browser, but you
want to know.  then you have to ask, what are you doing to the browser to
make it bog?  having lots of tabs open helps bog it.  but just one tab
might be doing it.  could be a horrible page, or a browser bug, or a
combination of the two.  frankly the bug this mosts reminds me of is in
firefox, when my mouse is within the area below the url box where the url
menu drops down when i type in the url box, then my typing is horribly
bogged, outright missing many characters i type, and/or entering them in
the wrong order.  i'm amazed this bug still remains in firefox for years.
of course it's not the only one tho..
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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Fri Feb  6 13:51:31 2015
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 13:51:31 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Chrome/Chromium Slowdown on U14.10
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9AHQWVkx1cPg8McEvNKRazM1E01JheAr4nmtDZTSayd2Q@mail.gmail.com>

also worth trying:  try your browser with a brand new user account.  still
bogged?  it could be an extension you installed or other mod you made,
these things can persist across reinstalls..
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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Fri Feb  6 15:21:12 2015
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 15:21:12 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] DHCP address reservation on Q1000 modem - Question.
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9D9=DOB2BvLgQD99F3r=4nMRwntcCJhOvceahZ5kyiUAQ@mail.gmail.com>

in my experience no matter whether you rent or buy from qwretchedlink or
comaghast or elsewhere, within 2 years they make you get a new one anyway.
no need to trust it, setup iptables or whatever inside of it.  anyway the
malware on your phone is a much bigger worry, regardless of what's
inbetween.
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From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  6 17:07:42 2015
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 23:07:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [tclug-list] Chrome/Chromium Slowdown on U14.10
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9AHQWVkx1cPg8McEvNKRazM1E01JheAr4nmtDZTSayd2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9AHQWVkx1cPg8McEvNKRazM1E01JheAr4nmtDZTSayd2Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <611489666.1041745.1423264063155.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Nope, new account didn't do anything. I'm sure it's this version. They did something and it's hosed it up.
 

     On Friday, February 6, 2015 2:52 PM, gregrwm <tclug1 at whitleymott.net> wrote:
   
 

 also worth trying:? try your browser with a brand new user account.? still bogged?? it could be an extension you installed or other mod you made, these things can persist across reinstalls..

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From o1bigtenor at gmail.com  Sat Feb  7 11:54:45 2015
From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 11:54:45 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Questions
Message-ID: <CAPpdf59-hD2GjZBNeY7YtQ_qCWrvj-saz69FV40KDAtb-eS27g@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings

I bought an unlocked Android phone about 18 months ago.
Get real real crappy battery life. Have determined that its a program
called 'Social Hub' that is the primary culprit.

Have done some investigating and the only method to remove this offending
piece of 'software' means that I have to root the phone.

As no one ever does this would you please tell me of your friend's
experiences in rooting their phones? Any gotchas would be especially useful.

TIA

Dee
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Sat Feb  7 11:59:20 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 11:59:20 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Questions
In-Reply-To: <CAPpdf59-hD2GjZBNeY7YtQ_qCWrvj-saz69FV40KDAtb-eS27g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPpdf59-hD2GjZBNeY7YtQ_qCWrvj-saz69FV40KDAtb-eS27g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502071156310.14904@cockerel.yaron.org>

This isn't really Linux-related, but...

I unlock and root every Android device I get - that's one of the main 
reasons I get Android devices.

Different devices have different procedures for unlocking and rooting - in 
fact, it's not 100% possible on every device. For example, on Nexus 
devices it's remarkably trivial, whereas some devices lock and encrypt 
their bootloader. Without knowing the make and model phone you have, I 
can't really comment on what it'd be like.

It does usually involve installing some software on your computer to talk 
to your phone, though.

On Sat, 7 Feb 2015, o1bigtenor wrote:

> Greetings
> 
> I bought an unlocked Android phone about 18 months ago.
> Get real real crappy battery life. Have determined that its a program called
> 'Social Hub' that is the primary culprit.
> 
> Have done some investigating and the only method to remove this offending
> piece of 'software' means that I have to root the phone.
> 
> As no one ever does this would you please tell me of your friend's
> experiences in rooting their phones? Any gotchas would be especially useful.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Dee
> 
>

From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Sat Feb  7 12:59:25 2015
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 12:59:25 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Questions
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9Bpg5Yq7=Ybv8=qLSSJmv1x_cZQJcvipFCDTYsVJ2noew@mail.gmail.com>

>
> root the phone
>>
>
give yourself copious time to research it.  several sources helps, most are
horribly written, or omit helpful details.  while there are a few
one-click-many-phone solutions, you need to look carefully for your
particular phone, and look around for more than just a couple bits of posed
feedback.  fun and worth it when done.
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From eminmn at sysmatrix.net  Sat Feb  7 13:07:28 2015
From: eminmn at sysmatrix.net (e.c.)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 13:07:28 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Questions
In-Reply-To: <CAPpdf59-hD2GjZBNeY7YtQ_qCWrvj-saz69FV40KDAtb-eS27g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPpdf59-hD2GjZBNeY7YtQ_qCWrvj-saz69FV40KDAtb-eS27g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM4eEP+dbHuh=gN0HkiTpi8o2S0NM0yCU9X1BO1f_J+vE0tEFw@mail.gmail.com>

Titanium Backup might be able to uninstall it without rooting. If not
then take it to that cell-phone place a block south of University and
Snelling. They will root it for you for about $20.

Anyway it's more likely to be an issue with syncing, especially on
galaxy 3 phones.

Ed

On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 11:54 AM, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor at gmail.com> wrote:
> Greetings
>
> I bought an unlocked Android phone about 18 months ago.
> Get real real crappy battery life. Have determined that its a program called
> 'Social Hub' that is the primary culprit.
>
> Have done some investigating and the only method to remove this offending
> piece of 'software' means that I have to root the phone.
>
> As no one ever does this would you please tell me of your friend's
> experiences in rooting their phones? Any gotchas would be especially useful.
>
> TIA
>
> Dee
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From tclug at freakzilla.com  Sat Feb  7 13:41:49 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 13:41:49 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Questions
In-Reply-To: <CAM4eEP+dbHuh=gN0HkiTpi8o2S0NM0yCU9X1BO1f_J+vE0tEFw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPpdf59-hD2GjZBNeY7YtQ_qCWrvj-saz69FV40KDAtb-eS27g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM4eEP+dbHuh=gN0HkiTpi8o2S0NM0yCU9X1BO1f_J+vE0tEFw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502071340420.14904@cockerel.yaron.org>

On Sat, 7 Feb 2015, e.c. wrote:

> Titanium Backup might be able to uninstall it without rooting.

Titanium Backup itself requires root to run.

> If not then take it to that cell-phone place a block south of University 
> and Snelling. They will root it for you for about $20.

How is that fun??? (:

--

From tclug at freakzilla.com  Sat Feb  7 16:47:55 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 16:47:55 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Questions
In-Reply-To: <CAM4eEP+dbHuh=gN0HkiTpi8o2S0NM0yCU9X1BO1f_J+vE0tEFw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPpdf59-hD2GjZBNeY7YtQ_qCWrvj-saz69FV40KDAtb-eS27g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM4eEP+dbHuh=gN0HkiTpi8o2S0NM0yCU9X1BO1f_J+vE0tEFw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502071645260.15097@cockerel.yaron.org>

On Sat, 7 Feb 2015, e.c. wrote:

> Titanium Backup might be able to uninstall it without rooting.

Like I said in m other message, Titanium Backup requires root. However, 
newer versions of Android will let you disable individual apps, even if 
they don't get uninstalled. If you go into Settings->Apps and click on an 
app, apps that can't be uninstalled should have a "Disable" option.

--

From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com  Sat Feb  7 18:32:05 2015
From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 18:32:05 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Questions
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502071645260.15097@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <CAPpdf59-hD2GjZBNeY7YtQ_qCWrvj-saz69FV40KDAtb-eS27g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM4eEP+dbHuh=gN0HkiTpi8o2S0NM0yCU9X1BO1f_J+vE0tEFw@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502071645260.15097@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <CACEdYO3meY+3wHNPxBdp2xH1DZ45i77RB9QUet3OfVujjvwi3Q@mail.gmail.com>

I have an S4 with T-Mobile and Samsung garbage preloaded, disabling
the apps like 'tclug' advises works just fine.
--
Jeremy MountainJohnson
Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com


On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 4:47 PM,  <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Feb 2015, e.c. wrote:
>
>> Titanium Backup might be able to uninstall it without rooting.
>
>
> Like I said in m other message, Titanium Backup requires root. However,
> newer versions of Android will let you disable individual apps, even if they
> don't get uninstalled. If you go into Settings->Apps and click on an app,
> apps that can't be uninstalled should have a "Disable" option.
>
> --
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

From tclug at freakzilla.com  Sat Feb  7 18:35:57 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (tclug at freakzilla.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 18:35:57 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Questions
In-Reply-To: <CACEdYO3meY+3wHNPxBdp2xH1DZ45i77RB9QUet3OfVujjvwi3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPpdf59-hD2GjZBNeY7YtQ_qCWrvj-saz69FV40KDAtb-eS27g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM4eEP+dbHuh=gN0HkiTpi8o2S0NM0yCU9X1BO1f_J+vE0tEFw@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502071645260.15097@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <CACEdYO3meY+3wHNPxBdp2xH1DZ45i77RB9QUet3OfVujjvwi3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502071835270.15097@cockerel.yaron.org>

On Sat, 7 Feb 2015, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote:

> I have an S4 with T-Mobile and Samsung garbage preloaded, disabling
> the apps like 'tclug' advises works just fine.

I should really make it put a name up there, shouldn't I...


-'tclug'

--

From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Sat Feb  7 19:07:25 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 19:07:25 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Questions
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502071835270.15097@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <CAPpdf59-hD2GjZBNeY7YtQ_qCWrvj-saz69FV40KDAtb-eS27g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAM4eEP+dbHuh=gN0HkiTpi8o2S0NM0yCU9X1BO1f_J+vE0tEFw@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502071645260.15097@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <CACEdYO3meY+3wHNPxBdp2xH1DZ45i77RB9QUet3OfVujjvwi3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502071835270.15097@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <FA04D0C3-54DE-45BB-9FC4-90BFCAC134A3@cwis.biz>

Clug works for me.


> On Feb 7, 2015, at 6:35 PM, tclug at freakzilla.com wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 7 Feb 2015, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote:
> 
>> I have an S4 with T-Mobile and Samsung garbage preloaded, disabling
>> the apps like 'tclug' advises works just fine.
> 
> I should really make it put a name up there, shouldn't I...
> 
> 
> -'tclug'
> 
> --
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From cncole at earthlink.net  Sun Feb  8 00:59:40 2015
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 00:59:40 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Questions
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502071156310.14904@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <CAPpdf59-hD2GjZBNeY7YtQ_qCWrvj-saz69FV40KDAtb-eS27g@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502071156310.14904@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <B53FBDEF934846F8BF9D8657793FE339@d830a>

Can I get free and unlimited WiFi hotspot operation by unblocking that in my
Sprint Galaxy SII?  Online info on rooting, etc is not clear on the points
of unblocking AND being undetected by Sprint.  Might be a few other things
I'd like to "fix" as well, but restoring ability to do a wireless hotspot
free and unlimited as in earlier Sprint Android versions on this phone is
what I most want.

Sprint has 3rd party WiFi apps blocked in the SII with their Android 4.1.2
release, and seems to have tether monitoring (an OS feature) so this type of
data usage is not in my otherwise unlimited data plan.  I can do tethered
internet access with PDAnet, and have never been notified by Sprint, but a
friend used it lots more and Sprint made her buy their WiFi service or pay a
large back billing service fee (I think she has a different Android phone).


Chuck

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of
> tclug at freakzilla.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 11:59 AM
> To: TCLUG
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Questions
>
> This isn't really Linux-related, but...
>
> I unlock and root every Android device I get - that's one of the main
> reasons I get Android devices.
>
> Different devices have different procedures for unlocking and
> rooting - in
> fact, it's not 100% possible on every device. For example, on Nexus
> devices it's remarkably trivial, whereas some devices lock
> and encrypt
> their bootloader. Without knowing the make and model phone
> you have, I
> can't really comment on what it'd be like.
>
> It does usually involve installing some software on your
> computer to talk
> to your phone, though.
>
> On Sat, 7 Feb 2015, o1bigtenor wrote:
>
> > Greetings
> >
> > I bought an unlocked Android phone about 18 months ago.
> > Get real real crappy battery life. Have determined that its
> a program called
> > 'Social Hub' that is the primary culprit.
> >
> > Have done some investigating and the only method to remove
> this offending
> > piece of 'software' means that I have to root the phone.
> >
> > As no one ever does this would you please tell me of your friend's
> > experiences in rooting their phones? Any gotchas would be
> especially useful.
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > Dee
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



From tclug at freakzilla.com  Sun Feb  8 01:13:30 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 01:13:30 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Questions
In-Reply-To: <B53FBDEF934846F8BF9D8657793FE339@d830a>
References: <CAPpdf59-hD2GjZBNeY7YtQ_qCWrvj-saz69FV40KDAtb-eS27g@mail.gmail.com>
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 <B53FBDEF934846F8BF9D8657793FE339@d830a>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502080106550.15448@cockerel.yaron.org>

On Sun, 8 Feb 2015, Chuck Cole wrote:

> Can I get free and unlimited WiFi hotspot operation by unblocking that in my
> Sprint Galaxy SII?

The Galaxy SII is a fairly old phone, so I'm not sure how easy it is to 
unlock and root (I know the SIII is a bit complex... because my mom 
unlocked and rooted hers).

I don't know that the official Android versions available for he SII have 
a WiFi hotspot feature, but I do think custom ROMs like CyanogenMod from 
that era had it built-in. If you unlock the phone you can probably get 
CyanogenMod on there.

However, mobile carriers have lately become pretty smart about detecting 
when you're using your mobile as a wifi hotspot and have started blocking 
it. I know T-Mobile does, and I can't find a way to work around it 
(supposedly changing your browser's useragent helps, but it doesn't seem 
to work for me, plus I use other protocols). So your mileage WILL vary.

--

From cncole at earthlink.net  Sun Feb  8 02:32:26 2015
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 02:32:26 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Questions
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502080106550.15448@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <CAPpdf59-hD2GjZBNeY7YtQ_qCWrvj-saz69FV40KDAtb-eS27g@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502071156310.14904@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <B53FBDEF934846F8BF9D8657793FE339@d830a>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502080106550.15448@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <6D60BE4C65CC4AD0B12C30CFFF4AFEF5@d830a>

Thanks..   Has WiFi hardware, but the Android upgrade locked out 3rd party
WiFi apps that had worked well.  No significant benefit for me to "upgrade"
the phone, except an extra bluetooth protocol and feature.  Sprint terms and
fees aren't as good, and my spare batteries, etc don't fit newer ones (I
just swap batteries instead of using a car charger, etc).  Getting the WiFi
hotspot to work in the phone is do-able, but it's likely detectable with
phone and Sprint IDs.  Possible that my infrequent usage might not be seen
as seems the case for my occasional use of tethered PDAnet.

Chuck


> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Clug
> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 1:14 AM
> To: TCLUG
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Questions
>
> On Sun, 8 Feb 2015, Chuck Cole wrote:
>
> > Can I get free and unlimited WiFi hotspot operation by
> unblocking that in my
> > Sprint Galaxy SII?
>
> The Galaxy SII is a fairly old phone, so I'm not sure how
> easy it is to
> unlock and root (I know the SIII is a bit complex... because my mom
> unlocked and rooted hers).
>
> I don't know that the official Android versions available for
> he SII have
> a WiFi hotspot feature, but I do think custom ROMs like
> CyanogenMod from
> that era had it built-in. If you unlock the phone you can
> probably get
> CyanogenMod on there.
>
> However, mobile carriers have lately become pretty smart
> about detecting
> when you're using your mobile as a wifi hotspot and have
> started blocking
> it. I know T-Mobile does, and I can't find a way to work around it
> (supposedly changing your browser's useragent helps, but it
> doesn't seem
> to work for me, plus I use other protocols). So your mileage
> WILL vary.
>
> --
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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>



From tclug at freakzilla.com  Sun Feb  8 02:39:21 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 02:39:21 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Questions
In-Reply-To: <6D60BE4C65CC4AD0B12C30CFFF4AFEF5@d830a>
References: <CAPpdf59-hD2GjZBNeY7YtQ_qCWrvj-saz69FV40KDAtb-eS27g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502080238160.15448@cockerel.yaron.org>

The only reason I could think for unlocking your phone is to get newer 
versions of Android that wouldn't be available otherwise. I think I've 
seen some references to Lollipop-based ROMs for the SII.

On Sun, 8 Feb 2015, Chuck Cole wrote:

> Thanks..   Has WiFi hardware, but the Android upgrade locked out 3rd party
> WiFi apps that had worked well.  No significant benefit for me to "upgrade"
> the phone, except an extra bluetooth protocol and feature.  Sprint terms and
> fees aren't as good, and my spare batteries, etc don't fit newer ones (I
> just swap batteries instead of using a car charger, etc).  Getting the WiFi
> hotspot to work in the phone is do-able, but it's likely detectable with
> phone and Sprint IDs.  Possible that my infrequent usage might not be seen
> as seems the case for my occasional use of tethered PDAnet.
>
> Chuck
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
>> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Clug
>> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 1:14 AM
>> To: TCLUG
>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Questions
>>
>> On Sun, 8 Feb 2015, Chuck Cole wrote:
>>
>>> Can I get free and unlimited WiFi hotspot operation by
>> unblocking that in my
>>> Sprint Galaxy SII?
>>
>> The Galaxy SII is a fairly old phone, so I'm not sure how
>> easy it is to
>> unlock and root (I know the SIII is a bit complex... because my mom
>> unlocked and rooted hers).
>>
>> I don't know that the official Android versions available for
>> he SII have
>> a WiFi hotspot feature, but I do think custom ROMs like
>> CyanogenMod from
>> that era had it built-in. If you unlock the phone you can
>> probably get
>> CyanogenMod on there.
>>
>> However, mobile carriers have lately become pretty smart
>> about detecting
>> when you're using your mobile as a wifi hotspot and have
>> started blocking
>> it. I know T-Mobile does, and I can't find a way to work around it
>> (supposedly changing your browser's useragent helps, but it
>> doesn't seem
>> to work for me, plus I use other protocols). So your mileage
>> WILL vary.
>>
>> --
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From cncole at earthlink.net  Sun Feb  8 03:14:05 2015
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 03:14:05 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Questions
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502080238160.15448@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <CAPpdf59-hD2GjZBNeY7YtQ_qCWrvj-saz69FV40KDAtb-eS27g@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks.

FYI, CyanogenMod is available for the SPH-D710 model.
    <http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/D710_Info>

Says it will enable WiFi, and add features to better assure data privacy,
etc.
I think it also says that rooting is not required.

It says to turn off the phone and reboot "in download mode" before
installing, and again after.
  This not in the user manual, but is here
<http://wiki.rootzwiki.com/Samsung_Epic_4G_Touch>

I think I'm set now to get any other info,
   but I'd appreciate your comments on installing and using CyanogenMod.

Chuck


> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Clug
> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 2:39 AM
> To: TCLUG
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Questions
>
> The only reason I could think for unlocking your phone is to
> get newer
> versions of Android that wouldn't be available otherwise. I
> think I've
> seen some references to Lollipop-based ROMs for the SII.
>
> On Sun, 8 Feb 2015, Chuck Cole wrote:
>
> > Thanks..   Has WiFi hardware, but the Android upgrade
> locked out 3rd party
> > WiFi apps that had worked well.  No significant benefit for
> me to "upgrade"
> > the phone, except an extra bluetooth protocol and feature.
> Sprint terms and
> > fees aren't as good, and my spare batteries, etc don't fit
> newer ones (I
> > just swap batteries instead of using a car charger, etc).
> Getting the WiFi
> > hotspot to work in the phone is do-able, but it's likely
> detectable with
> > phone and Sprint IDs.  Possible that my infrequent usage
> might not be seen
> > as seems the case for my occasional use of tethered PDAnet.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Clug
> >> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 1:14 AM
> >> To: TCLUG
> >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Questions
> >>
> >> On Sun, 8 Feb 2015, Chuck Cole wrote:
> >>
> >>> Can I get free and unlimited WiFi hotspot operation by
> >> unblocking that in my
> >>> Sprint Galaxy SII?
> >>
> >> The Galaxy SII is a fairly old phone, so I'm not sure how
> >> easy it is to
> >> unlock and root (I know the SIII is a bit complex... because my mom
> >> unlocked and rooted hers).
> >>
> >> I don't know that the official Android versions available for
> >> he SII have
> >> a WiFi hotspot feature, but I do think custom ROMs like
> >> CyanogenMod from
> >> that era had it built-in. If you unlock the phone you can
> >> probably get
> >> CyanogenMod on there.
> >>
> >> However, mobile carriers have lately become pretty smart
> >> about detecting
> >> when you're using your mobile as a wifi hotspot and have
> >> started blocking
> >> it. I know T-Mobile does, and I can't find a way to work around it
> >> (supposedly changing your browser's useragent helps, but it
> >> doesn't seem
> >> to work for me, plus I use other protocols). So your mileage
> >> WILL vary.
> >>
> >> --
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



From tclug at freakzilla.com  Sun Feb  8 03:18:15 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 03:18:15 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Questions
In-Reply-To: <42A79F3CF1194C3B8154A7BB1A9F28EE@d830a>
References: <CAPpdf59-hD2GjZBNeY7YtQ_qCWrvj-saz69FV40KDAtb-eS27g@mail.gmail.com>
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You don't need to root to install modded ROMs because, well, you're 
erasing the phone anyway. A custom ROM will probably be rooted out of the 
"box".

However, you DO need to unlock the boootloader in order to install a 
custom ROM.

I'd almost say you should check other custom ROMs... CyanogenMod used to 
be the ubiquitous custom ROM but since they went corporate... ugh. Still, 
if you're installing it on an older phone and possibly using an older 
version of CyanogenMod, it's probably fine.

On Sun, 8 Feb 2015, Chuck Cole wrote:

> Thanks.
>
> FYI, CyanogenMod is available for the SPH-D710 model.
>    <http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/D710_Info>
>
> Says it will enable WiFi, and add features to better assure data privacy,
> etc.
> I think it also says that rooting is not required.
>
> It says to turn off the phone and reboot "in download mode" before
> installing, and again after.
>  This not in the user manual, but is here
> <http://wiki.rootzwiki.com/Samsung_Epic_4G_Touch>
>
> I think I'm set now to get any other info,
>   but I'd appreciate your comments on installing and using CyanogenMod.
>
> Chuck
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
>> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Clug
>> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 2:39 AM
>> To: TCLUG
>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Questions
>>
>> The only reason I could think for unlocking your phone is to
>> get newer
>> versions of Android that wouldn't be available otherwise. I
>> think I've
>> seen some references to Lollipop-based ROMs for the SII.
>>
>> On Sun, 8 Feb 2015, Chuck Cole wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks..   Has WiFi hardware, but the Android upgrade
>> locked out 3rd party
>>> WiFi apps that had worked well.  No significant benefit for
>> me to "upgrade"
>>> the phone, except an extra bluetooth protocol and feature.
>> Sprint terms and
>>> fees aren't as good, and my spare batteries, etc don't fit
>> newer ones (I
>>> just swap batteries instead of using a car charger, etc).
>> Getting the WiFi
>>> hotspot to work in the phone is do-able, but it's likely
>> detectable with
>>> phone and Sprint IDs.  Possible that my infrequent usage
>> might not be seen
>>> as seems the case for my occasional use of tethered PDAnet.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
>>>> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Clug
>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 1:14 AM
>>>> To: TCLUG
>>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Questions
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 8 Feb 2015, Chuck Cole wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Can I get free and unlimited WiFi hotspot operation by
>>>> unblocking that in my
>>>>> Sprint Galaxy SII?
>>>>
>>>> The Galaxy SII is a fairly old phone, so I'm not sure how
>>>> easy it is to
>>>> unlock and root (I know the SIII is a bit complex... because my mom
>>>> unlocked and rooted hers).
>>>>
>>>> I don't know that the official Android versions available for
>>>> he SII have
>>>> a WiFi hotspot feature, but I do think custom ROMs like
>>>> CyanogenMod from
>>>> that era had it built-in. If you unlock the phone you can
>>>> probably get
>>>> CyanogenMod on there.
>>>>
>>>> However, mobile carriers have lately become pretty smart
>>>> about detecting
>>>> when you're using your mobile as a wifi hotspot and have
>>>> started blocking
>>>> it. I know T-Mobile does, and I can't find a way to work around it
>>>> (supposedly changing your browser's useragent helps, but it
>>>> doesn't seem
>>>> to work for me, plus I use other protocols). So your mileage
>>>> WILL vary.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Sun Feb  8 10:19:58 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 10:19:58 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Questions
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502080315470.15448@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <CAPpdf59-hD2GjZBNeY7YtQ_qCWrvj-saz69FV40KDAtb-eS27g@mail.gmail.com>
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I haven?t had any success (haven?t tried lately) on my GSM S4. Carrier unlocked it but TMO didn?t like the phone apparently.


> On Feb 8, 2015, at 3:18 AM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> 
> You don't need to root to install modded ROMs because, well, you're erasing the phone anyway. A custom ROM will probably be rooted out of the "box".
> 
> However, you DO need to unlock the boootloader in order to install a custom ROM.
> 
> I'd almost say you should check other custom ROMs... CyanogenMod used to be the ubiquitous custom ROM but since they went corporate... ugh. Still, if you're installing it on an older phone and possibly using an older version of CyanogenMod, it's probably fine.
> 
> On Sun, 8 Feb 2015, Chuck Cole wrote:
> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> FYI, CyanogenMod is available for the SPH-D710 model.
>>   <http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/D710_Info>
>> 
>> Says it will enable WiFi, and add features to better assure data privacy,
>> etc.
>> I think it also says that rooting is not required.
>> 
>> It says to turn off the phone and reboot "in download mode" before
>> installing, and again after.
>> This not in the user manual, but is here
>> <http://wiki.rootzwiki.com/Samsung_Epic_4G_Touch>
>> 
>> I think I'm set now to get any other info,
>>  but I'd appreciate your comments on installing and using CyanogenMod.
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
>>> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Clug
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 2:39 AM
>>> To: TCLUG
>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Questions
>>> 
>>> The only reason I could think for unlocking your phone is to
>>> get newer
>>> versions of Android that wouldn't be available otherwise. I
>>> think I've
>>> seen some references to Lollipop-based ROMs for the SII.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, 8 Feb 2015, Chuck Cole wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thanks..   Has WiFi hardware, but the Android upgrade
>>> locked out 3rd party
>>>> WiFi apps that had worked well.  No significant benefit for
>>> me to "upgrade"
>>>> the phone, except an extra bluetooth protocol and feature.
>>> Sprint terms and
>>>> fees aren't as good, and my spare batteries, etc don't fit
>>> newer ones (I
>>>> just swap batteries instead of using a car charger, etc).
>>> Getting the WiFi
>>>> hotspot to work in the phone is do-able, but it's likely
>>> detectable with
>>>> phone and Sprint IDs.  Possible that my infrequent usage
>>> might not be seen
>>>> as seems the case for my occasional use of tethered PDAnet.
>>>> 
>>>> Chuck
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
>>>>> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Clug
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 1:14 AM
>>>>> To: TCLUG
>>>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Questions
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, 8 Feb 2015, Chuck Cole wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Can I get free and unlimited WiFi hotspot operation by
>>>>> unblocking that in my
>>>>>> Sprint Galaxy SII?
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Galaxy SII is a fairly old phone, so I'm not sure how
>>>>> easy it is to
>>>>> unlock and root (I know the SIII is a bit complex... because my mom
>>>>> unlocked and rooted hers).
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't know that the official Android versions available for
>>>>> he SII have
>>>>> a WiFi hotspot feature, but I do think custom ROMs like
>>>>> CyanogenMod from
>>>>> that era had it built-in. If you unlock the phone you can
>>>>> probably get
>>>>> CyanogenMod on there.
>>>>> 
>>>>> However, mobile carriers have lately become pretty smart
>>>>> about detecting
>>>>> when you're using your mobile as a wifi hotspot and have
>>>>> started blocking
>>>>> it. I know T-Mobile does, and I can't find a way to work around it
>>>>> (supposedly changing your browser's useragent helps, but it
>>>>> doesn't seem
>>>>> to work for me, plus I use other protocols). So your mileage
>>>>> WILL vary.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  8 12:04:17 2015
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 18:04:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [tclug-list] Latest on Linux on a tablet?
Message-ID: <1986617464.1555091.1423418657878.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

I've googled this subject until I just can't google anymore: Is there a reasonably decent and safe and working way to get Linux on, say, my Nexus 10?
 So much of the info I'm seeing is conflicting and contradictory and, above all, incomplete. One of the biggest teases, of course, is Ubuntu's? devices page . . . which doesn't seem to have a real product yet. And then there's all these Android Store apps where you're putting some form of some Linux on top of Android -- and that all looks quite dodgy. Anyone have something definitie to say on this subject? And don't say Terminal IDE, because it's broke on Lolipop. . . .
Thanking you in advance,
LB

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From cncole at earthlink.net  Sun Feb  8 13:04:40 2015
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 13:04:40 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Questions
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman
> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 10:20 AM
> To: TCLUG Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Questions
>
> I haven't had any success (haven't tried lately) on my GSM
> S4. Carrier unlocked it but TMO didn't like the phone apparently.

FYI - FoxFi (PDAnet) and SVTP worked for me on my SPH-D710 SII.  Had and
used the PDAnet tethered version before they added WiFi. Got SVTP WiFi which
worked fine, then FoxFi added their WiFi.  Both workd well until Sprint
updated their Android to 4.1.2 and blocked 3rd party WiFi.  PDAnet tethered
access still works fine, so lack of Wifi isn't a complete show-stopper.

Chuck

>
>
> > On Feb 8, 2015, at 3:18 AM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> >
> > You don't need to root to install modded ROMs because,
> well, you're erasing the phone anyway. A custom ROM will
> probably be rooted out of the "box".
> >
> > However, you DO need to unlock the boootloader in order to
> install a custom ROM.
> >
> > I'd almost say you should check other custom ROMs...
> CyanogenMod used to be the ubiquitous custom ROM but since
> they went corporate... ugh. Still, if you're installing it on
> an older phone and possibly using an older version of
> CyanogenMod, it's probably fine.
> >
> > On Sun, 8 Feb 2015, Chuck Cole wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> FYI, CyanogenMod is available for the SPH-D710 model.
> >>   <http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/D710_Info>
> >>
> >> Says it will enable WiFi, and add features to better
> assure data privacy,
> >> etc.
> >> I think it also says that rooting is not required.



From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Sun Feb  8 15:04:14 2015
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 15:04:14 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Questions
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9CM7QDusfA1J9ASOofWC+2StOujhG1F5-p8B-ADq-8QMQ@mail.gmail.com>

fwiw you can read about my cm attempt et al with my sph-d710 by searching:
roundabout root "gregrwm".
freedompop/hangouts works for me, i mostly use wifi anyway, haven't tried
tethering..
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Sun Feb  8 16:57:58 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 16:57:58 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Latest on Linux on a tablet?
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Well, if you're trying to get native Linux (let alone X) applications 
running on an Android tablet, I think you're a bit out of luck right now.

But since you mentioned Terminal IDE... I have good ol' Android Terminal 
Emulator working just fine on my Lollipop Nexus 10. Add Hacker's Keyboard 
and it's even USABLE.

On Sun, 8 Feb 2015, Olwe Bottorff wrote:

> I've googled this subject until I just can't google anymore: Is there a
> reasonably decent and safe and working way to get Linux on, say, my Nexus
> 10?
> 
> So much of the info I'm seeing is conflicting and contradictory and, above
> all, incomplete. One of the biggest teases, of course, is Ubuntu's? devices
> page . . . which doesn't seem to have a real product yet. And then there's
> all these Android Store apps where you're putting some form of some Linux on
> top of Android -- and that all looks quite dodgy. Anyone have something
> definitie to say on this subject? And don't say Terminal IDE, because it's
> broke on Lolipop. . . .
> 
> Thanking you in advance,
> LB
> 
> 
>

From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  8 22:27:17 2015
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 04:27:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [tclug-list] Latest on Linux on a tablet?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502081656450.16351@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502081656450.16351@cockerel.yaron.org>
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Not sure what you mean. Is Terminal IDE and "Android Terminal Emulator" the same? Terminal IDE has C compiling capabilities, which allows you to put many *nix/GNU/Open software on your device,? but doesn't seem to work on lolipop. 

     On Sunday, February 8, 2015 5:57 PM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
   
 

 Well, if you're trying to get native Linux (let alone X) applications 
running on an Android tablet, I think you're a bit out of luck right now.

But since you mentioned Terminal IDE... I have good ol' Android Terminal 
Emulator working just fine on my Lollipop Nexus 10. Add Hacker's Keyboard 
and it's even USABLE.

On Sun, 8 Feb 2015, Olwe Bottorff wrote:

> I've googled this subject until I just can't google anymore: Is there a
> reasonably decent and safe and working way to get Linux on, say, my Nexus
> 10?
> 
> So much of the info I'm seeing is conflicting and contradictory and, above
> all, incomplete. One of the biggest teases, of course, is Ubuntu's? devices
> page . . . which doesn't seem to have a real product yet. And then there's
> all these Android Store apps where you're putting some form of some Linux on
> top of Android -- and that all looks quite dodgy. Anyone have something
> definitie to say on this subject? And don't say Terminal IDE, because it's
> broke on Lolipop. . . .
> 
> Thanking you in advance,
> LB
> 
> 
>
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Mon Feb  9 00:07:07 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 00:07:07 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Latest on Linux on a tablet?
In-Reply-To: <361580792.1740197.1423456037433.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
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Oh, didn't know what you were going for. What exact programs are you 
trying to run?

On Mon, 9 Feb 2015, Olwe Bottorff wrote:

> Not sure what you mean. Is Terminal IDE and "Android Terminal Emulator" the
> same? Terminal IDE has C compiling capabilities, which allows you to put
> many *nix/GNU/Open software on your device,? but doesn't seem to work on
> lolipop.
> 
> 
> On Sunday, February 8, 2015 5:57 PM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> 
>
>       Well, if you're trying to get native Linux (let alone X)
>       applications
>       running on an Android tablet, I think you're a bit out of luck
>       right now.
>
>       But since you mentioned Terminal IDE... I have good ol' Android
>       Terminal
>       Emulator working just fine on my Lollipop Nexus 10. Add Hacker's
>       Keyboard
>       and it's even USABLE.
>
>       On Sun, 8 Feb 2015, Olwe Bottorff wrote:
>
>       > I've googled this subject until I just can't google anymore:
>       Is there a
>       > reasonably decent and safe and working way to get Linux on,
>       say, my Nexus
>       > 10?
>       >
>       > So much of the info I'm seeing is conflicting and
>       contradictory and, above
>       > all, incomplete. One of the biggest teases, of course, is
>       Ubuntu's? devices
>       > page . . . which doesn't seem to have a real product yet. And
>       then there's
>       > all these Android Store apps where you're putting some form of
>       some Linux on
>       > top of Android -- and that all looks quite dodgy. Anyone have
>       something
>       > definitie to say on this subject? And don't say Terminal IDE,
>       because it's
>       > broke on Lolipop. . . .
>       >
>       > Thanking you in advance,
>       > LB
>       >
>       >
>       >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> 
>

From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  9 06:11:42 2015
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 12:11:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [tclug-list] Latest on Linux on a tablet?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502090006370.16351@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502090006370.16351@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <338475485.1849281.1423483902674.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Supposedly with Terminal IDE you could compile lots of C-based software. Virtually anything on Linux you'd have a fair shot at. Terminal IDE was, therefore, a lot more than just a shell on Android.
 

     On Monday, February 9, 2015 1:07 AM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
   
 

 Oh, didn't know what you were going for. What exact programs are you 
trying to run?

On Mon, 9 Feb 2015, Olwe Bottorff wrote:

> Not sure what you mean. Is Terminal IDE and "Android Terminal Emulator" the
> same? Terminal IDE has C compiling capabilities, which allows you to put
> many *nix/GNU/Open software on your device,? but doesn't seem to work on
> lolipop.
> 
> 
> On Sunday, February 8, 2015 5:57 PM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> 
>
>? ? ? Well, if you're trying to get native Linux (let alone X)
>? ? ? applications
>? ? ? running on an Android tablet, I think you're a bit out of luck
>? ? ? right now.
>
>? ? ? But since you mentioned Terminal IDE... I have good ol' Android
>? ? ? Terminal
>? ? ? Emulator working just fine on my Lollipop Nexus 10. Add Hacker's
>? ? ? Keyboard
>? ? ? and it's even USABLE.
>
>? ? ? On Sun, 8 Feb 2015, Olwe Bottorff wrote:
>
>? ? ? > I've googled this subject until I just can't google anymore:
>? ? ? Is there a
>? ? ? > reasonably decent and safe and working way to get Linux on,
>? ? ? say, my Nexus
>? ? ? > 10?
>? ? ? >
>? ? ? > So much of the info I'm seeing is conflicting and
>? ? ? contradictory and, above
>? ? ? > all, incomplete. One of the biggest teases, of course, is
>? ? ? Ubuntu's? devices
>? ? ? > page . . . which doesn't seem to have a real product yet. And
>? ? ? then there's
>? ? ? > all these Android Store apps where you're putting some form of
>? ? ? some Linux on
>? ? ? > top of Android -- and that all looks quite dodgy. Anyone have
>? ? ? something
>? ? ? > definitie to say on this subject? And don't say Terminal IDE,
>? ? ? because it's
>? ? ? > broke on Lolipop. . . .
>? ? ? >
>? ? ? > Thanking you in advance,
>? ? ? > LB
>? ? ? >
>? ? ? >
>? ? ? >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> 
>
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Mon Feb  9 10:18:52 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 10:18:52 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Latest on Linux on a tablet?
In-Reply-To: <338475485.1849281.1423483902674.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502090006370.16351@cockerel.yaron.org>
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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502091018230.17537@cockerel.yaron.org>

I understand, still want to know what you're actually trying to compile 
and run.

On Mon, 9 Feb 2015, Olwe Bottorff wrote:

> Supposedly with Terminal IDE you could compile lots of C-based software.
> Virtually anything on Linux you'd have a fair shot at. Terminal IDE was,
> therefore, a lot more than just a shell on Android.
> 
> 
> On Monday, February 9, 2015 1:07 AM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> 
>
>       Oh, didn't know what you were going for. What exact programs are
>       you
>       trying to run?
>
>       On Mon, 9 Feb 2015, Olwe Bottorff wrote:
>
>       > Not sure what you mean. Is Terminal IDE and "Android Terminal
>       Emulator" the
>       > same? Terminal IDE has C compiling capabilities, which allows
>       you to put
>       > many *nix/GNU/Open software on your device,? but doesn't seem
>       to work on
>       > lolipop.
>       >
>       >
>       > On Sunday, February 8, 2015 5:57 PM, Clug
>       <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>       >
>       >
>       >? ? ? Well, if you're trying to get native Linux (let alone X)
>       >? ? ? applications
>       >? ? ? running on an Android tablet, I think you're a bit out of
>       luck
>       >? ? ? right now.
>       >
>       >? ? ? But since you mentioned Terminal IDE... I have good ol'
>       Android
>       >? ? ? Terminal
>       >? ? ? Emulator working just fine on my Lollipop Nexus 10. Add
>       Hacker's
>       >? ? ? Keyboard
>       >? ? ? and it's even USABLE.
>       >
>       >? ? ? On Sun, 8 Feb 2015, Olwe Bottorff wrote:
>       >
>       >? ? ? > I've googled this subject until I just can't google
>       anymore:
>       >? ? ? Is there a
>       >? ? ? > reasonably decent and safe and working way to get Linux
>       on,
>       >? ? ? say, my Nexus
>       >? ? ? > 10?
>       >? ? ? >
>       >? ? ? > So much of the info I'm seeing is conflicting and
>       >? ? ? contradictory and, above
>       >? ? ? > all, incomplete. One of the biggest teases, of course,
>       is
>       >? ? ? Ubuntu's? devices
>       >? ? ? > page . . . which doesn't seem to have a real product
>       yet. And
>       >? ? ? then there's
>       >? ? ? > all these Android Store apps where you're putting some
>       form of
>       >? ? ? some Linux on
>       >? ? ? > top of Android -- and that all looks quite dodgy.
>       Anyone have
>       >? ? ? something
>       >? ? ? > definitie to say on this subject? And don't say
>       Terminal IDE,
>       >? ? ? because it's
>       >? ? ? > broke on Lolipop. . . .
>       >? ? ? >
>       >? ? ? > Thanking you in advance,
>       >? ? ? > LB
>       >? ? ? >
>       >? ? ? >
>       >? ? ? >
>       >
>       > _______________________________________________
>       > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>       > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>       > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>       >
>       >
>       >
>       >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> 
>

From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 15:43:32 2015
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 15:43:32 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] symlinks on NTFS USB drive in Cygwin and Linux
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1502101535280.16497@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

I have an NTFS external USB drive that I sometimes attach to an (old) 
Windows XP box that has Cygwin installed, and other times I attach it to 
an Ubuntu box.  I made a bunch of symlinks in Cygwin on XP but when I look 
at them on Ubuntu they are just small regular files.

So my first question is basically this:  What are you guys doing to deal 
with this kind of issue?  It would be best if I could make symlinks that 
just worked in Linux and Windows.  Can that be done?  Can working symlinks 
be created in either system that will work in both systems?

I know that XP is old and retired, so feel free to answer in terms of 
Windows 7 and newer, if newer versions are different.

Thanks in advance!

Mike

From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 16:25:05 2015
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:25:05 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] max number of bytes for head/tail with -c option?
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1502101622080.16497@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

When using head or tail with the -c option to specify some number of 
bytes, is there any limit to the size of the number that can be used?  I 
think there might not be a limit, or if there is one it is a number 
greater than the size of any file any of us will ever see.  Think so?

Mike

From andrew at lunn.ch  Tue Feb 10 16:07:48 2015
From: andrew at lunn.ch (Andrew Lunn)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 23:07:48 +0100
Subject: [tclug-list] symlinks on NTFS USB drive in Cygwin and Linux
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1502101535280.16497@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1502101535280.16497@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20150210220748.GA6732@lunn.ch>

On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 03:43:32PM -0600, Mike Miller wrote:
> I have an NTFS external USB drive that I sometimes attach to an
> (old) Windows XP box that has Cygwin installed, and other times I
> attach it to an Ubuntu box.  I made a bunch of symlinks in Cygwin on
> XP but when I look at them on Ubuntu they are just small regular
> files.
> 
> So my first question is basically this:  What are you guys doing to
> deal with this kind of issue?  It would be best if I could make
> symlinks that just worked in Linux and Windows.  Can that be done?

See

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS_symbolic_link

	Andrew

From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 17:23:15 2015
From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:23:15 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] How fast do drives age in a RAID5?
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From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:28:01 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Using a video camera with linux:
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From nassarmu at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 18:39:41 2015
From: nassarmu at gmail.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:39:41 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] How fast do drives age in a RAID5?
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just looking at one of the smart reports i do not see anything
particularly odd, some numbers are high but nothing that i associate
with immediate failure, on the other hand there is something a lot
more ominous:

==> WARNING: A firmware update for this drive may be available,
see the following Seagate web pages:
http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/207931en
http://knowledge.seagate.com/articles/en_US/FAQ/223651en

there is a very good chance that a bad firmware is masking the actual
problem, i have worked on at least two seagate drives( and i am not
picking on seagate here, IBM, WD and others have had their own share
of firmware issues) where they started exhibiting signs of bad
sectors, but SMART was not catching on and passed the drive with
flying colors. In one occasion, upon updating the firmware SMART
starts complaining about a drive whose failure is "imminent", which of
course was true; but with the updated firmware i was also able to work
with the drive to recover the data.




On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 6:38 PM, Mark Mitchell
<mark.russel.mitchell at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm running my first RAID array in a machine I built just short of a
> year ago.  I'm getting repeated messages in kern.log about ata resets
> on 2 ata channels.
>
> I took one of the affected drives out of the array, and ran a smart
> long test on them (smart.sdd.txt, attached).  It shows a head flying
> time of 6912h+43m+51.802s (around 288 days).
>
> All of the drives on the system are showing pre-fail and OldAge in the
> smart reports.  I'm finding this difficult to believe, all of them
> except sda are only about a year old.
>
> Do I really have to go out and buy a bunch of new 3TB drives?
>
> Here are some representative errors from kern.log;
>
> ==> /var/log/kern.log <==
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092255] ata5.00:
> exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x40000001 SErr 0x10200 action 0xe frozen
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092259] ata5.00: irq_stat
> 0x00400000, PHY RDY changed
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092262] ata5: SError: {
> Persist PHYRdyChg }
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092265] ata5.00: failed
> command: READ FPDMA QUEUED
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092269] ata5.00: cmd
> 60/a0:00:22:c0:0a/00:00:09:00:00/40 tag 0 ncq 81920 in
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092269]          res
> 40/00:00:22:c0:0a/00:00:09:00:00/40 Emask 0x10 (ATA bus error)
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092272] ata5.00: status: { DRDY }
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092274] ata5.00: failed
> command: READ FPDMA QUEUED
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092278] ata5.00: cmd
> 60/08:f0:72:f9:66/02:00:08:00:00/40 tag 30 ncq 266240 in
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092278]          res
> 40/00:00:22:c0:0a/00:00:09:00:00/40 Emask 0x10 (ATA bus error)
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092281] ata5.00: status: { DRDY }
> Feb  3 18:31:46 home-desktop kernel: [611894.092285] ata5: hard resetting link
> Feb  3 18:31:51 home-desktop kernel: [611899.409269] ata5: SATA link
> up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)
> Feb  3 18:31:51 home-desktop kernel: [611899.435209] ata5.00:
> configured for UDMA/33
> Feb  3 18:31:51 home-desktop kernel: [611899.449242] ata5: EH complete
> Feb  3 18:32:17 home-desktop kernel: [611925.496050] ata6: exception
> Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x10002 action 0xe frozen
> Feb  3 18:32:17 home-desktop kernel: [611925.496054] ata6: irq_stat
> 0x00400000, PHY RDY changed
> Feb  3 18:32:17 home-desktop kernel: [611925.496057] ata6: SError: {
> RecovComm PHYRdyChg }
> Feb  3 18:32:17 home-desktop kernel: [611925.496061] ata6: hard resetting link
> Feb  3 18:32:22 home-desktop kernel: [611930.406105] ata5: exception
> Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x10200 action 0xe frozen
> Feb  3 18:32:22 home-desktop kernel: [611930.406109] ata5: irq_stat
> 0x00400000, PHY RDY changed
> Feb  3 18:32:22 home-desktop kernel: [611930.406111] ata5: SError: {
> Persist PHYRdyChg }
> Feb  3 18:32:22 home-desktop kernel: [611930.406116] ata5: hard resetting link
> Feb  3 18:32:24 home-desktop kernel: [611932.038938] ata6: SATA link
> up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)
> Feb  3 18:32:28 home-desktop kernel: [611935.720865] ata5: SATA link
> up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)
> Feb  3 18:32:28 home-desktop kernel: [611935.739014] ata5.00:
> configured for UDMA/33
> Feb  3 18:32:28 home-desktop kernel: [611935.752837] ata5: EH complete
> Feb  3 18:32:29 home-desktop kernel: [611937.036124] ata6.00: qc
> timeout (cmd 0xec)
> Feb  3 18:32:29 home-desktop kernel: [611937.036135] ata6.00: failed
> to IDENTIFY (I/O error, err_mask=0x4)
> Feb  3 18:32:29 home-desktop kernel: [611937.036137] ata6.00:
> revalidation failed (errno=-5)
> Feb  3 18:32:29 home-desktop kernel: [611937.036141] ata6: hard resetting link
> Feb  3 18:32:30 home-desktop kernel: [611937.527854] ata6: SATA link
> up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus 113 SControl 310)
> Feb  3 18:32:30 home-desktop kernel: [611937.528629] ata6.00: supports
> DRM functions and may not be fully accessible
> Feb  3 18:32:30 home-desktop kernel: [611937.529644] ata6.00: supports
> DRM functions and may not be fully accessible
> Feb  3 18:32:30 home-desktop kernel: [611937.529824] ata6.00:
> configured for UDMA/33
> Feb  3 18:32:30 home-desktop kernel: [611937.529997] ata6: EH complete
>
> Here's my drive layout;
> mark at home-desktop:~$ sudo lsblk
> NAME        MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE  MOUNTPOINT
> sda           8:0    0 931.5G  0 disk
> ??sda1        8:1    0    37M  0 part  /boot/efi
> ??sda2        8:2    0  37.3G  0 part  [SWAP]
> ??sda3        8:3    0 860.8G  0 part  /home
> ??sda4        8:4    0  33.5G  0 part  /
> sdb           8:16   0   2.7T  0 disk
> ??sdb1        8:17   0   2.7T  0 part
>   ??md0       9:0    0   8.2T  0 raid5
>     ??md0p1 259:0    0   8.2T  0 md    /srv/media
> sdc           8:32   0   2.7T  0 disk
> ??sdc1        8:33   0   2.7T  0 part
>   ??md0       9:0    0   8.2T  0 raid5
>     ??md0p1 259:0    0   8.2T  0 md    /srv/media
> sdd           8:48   0   2.7T  0 disk
> ??sdd1        8:49   0   2.7T  0 part
>   ??md0       9:0    0   8.2T  0 raid5
>     ??md0p1 259:0    0   8.2T  0 md    /srv/media
> sde           8:64   0   2.7T  0 disk
> ??sde1        8:65   0   2.7T  0 part
>   ??md0       9:0    0   8.2T  0 raid5
>     ??md0p1 259:0    0   8.2T  0 md    /srv/media
> sr0          11:0    1   4.3G  0 rom
>
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From cncole at earthlink.net  Tue Feb 10 18:43:48 2015
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:43:48 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] symlinks on NTFS USB drive in Cygwin and Linux
In-Reply-To: <20150210220748.GA6732@lunn.ch>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1502101535280.16497@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
 <20150210220748.GA6732@lunn.ch>
Message-ID: <0812B6CAC7CA457C9044D777B35C0460@d830a>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Lunn
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 4:08 PM
> To: TCLUG Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] symlinks on NTFS USB drive in
> Cygwin and Linux
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 03:43:32PM -0600, Mike Miller wrote:
> > I have an NTFS external USB drive that I sometimes attach to an
> > (old) Windows XP box that has Cygwin installed, and other times I
> > attach it to an Ubuntu box.  I made a bunch of symlinks in Cygwin on
> > XP but when I look at them on Ubuntu they are just small regular
> > files.
> >
> > So my first question is basically this:  What are you guys doing to
> > deal with this kind of issue?  It would be best if I could make
> > symlinks that just worked in Linux and Windows.  Can that be done?
>
> See
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS_symbolic_link
>
> 	Andrew

Does this mean I can use a symbolic link to share text files (journals and
notes) between my XP PC and my Android phone?

Would xcopy /D from a PC batch file keep the two collections "in sync" ?


Chuck




From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 03:59:47 2015
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 03:59:47 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] symlinks on NTFS USB drive in Cygwin and Linux
In-Reply-To: <20150210220748.GA6732@lunn.ch>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1502101535280.16497@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
 <20150210220748.GA6732@lunn.ch>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1502110121250.16497@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

On Tue, 10 Feb 2015, Andrew Lunn wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 03:43:32PM -0600, Mike Miller wrote:
>> I have an NTFS external USB drive that I sometimes attach to an
>> (old) Windows XP box that has Cygwin installed, and other times I
>> attach it to an Ubuntu box.  I made a bunch of symlinks in Cygwin on
>> XP but when I look at them on Ubuntu they are just small regular
>> files.
>>
>> So my first question is basically this:  What are you guys doing to
>> deal with this kind of issue?  It would be best if I could make
>> symlinks that just worked in Linux and Windows.  Can that be done?
>
> See
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS_symbolic_link

That does say a few things of value but it doesn't mention Cygwin or 
Linux.  I did look it up before I wrote here -- the problem is that there 
are too many answers out there and they are all over the map.  It's hard 
to decide what actually works.

Questions:

If I make a symlink on the NTFS drive using Linux, will that symlink work 
when I attach the NTFS drive to a Windows 7 machine?  Do any of you know 
the answer?

One thing for sure:  In XP it does not work.  The "filter drivers" 
recommended for XP in the Wikipedia article did not seem to work.  I could 
neither make symlinks nor read them using that software.  Maybe I did 
something wrong with the installation, but there wasn't a lot to do and it 
seemed to install.  It did make hard links, but Cygwin didn't seem to 
handle them properly because when I deleted the hard link, it also deleted 
the original file.

If Linux symlinks work in Windows 7 (and later), then I'll be fine.  I 
don't need for them to work in XP.  Maybe a symlink is a symlink is a 
symlink and XP is just doing it wrong (it makes .lnk files instead).

Mike

From andrew at lunn.ch  Wed Feb 11 08:03:08 2015
From: andrew at lunn.ch (Andrew Lunn)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 15:03:08 +0100
Subject: [tclug-list] symlinks on NTFS USB drive in Cygwin and Linux
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1502110121250.16497@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1502101535280.16497@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
 <20150210220748.GA6732@lunn.ch>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1502110121250.16497@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <20150211140308.GD6732@lunn.ch>

> If I make a symlink on the NTFS drive using Linux, will that symlink
> work when I attach the NTFS drive to a Windows 7 machine?  Do any of
> you know the answer?

Sorry, no idea.

One thing to remember here is, its not linux, cygwin, or windows which
is the key factor. It is NTFS. The file system needs to have the
concept of a symbolic link. The version of NTFS used in XP does not
have the concept. The .lnk files is a hack around the missing concept.
It seems like NTFS used in vista does have the concept. Hence it might
be possible to create them on the file system.

However, my experience as a Unix nerd, tells me to avoid symbolic
links as much as possible.

      Andrew

From aberg010 at my.hennepintech.edu  Wed Feb 11 08:20:06 2015
From: aberg010 at my.hennepintech.edu (Andrew Berg)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 08:20:06 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] symlinks on NTFS USB drive in Cygwin and Linux
In-Reply-To: <20150211140308.GD6732@lunn.ch>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1502101535280.16497@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
 <20150210220748.GA6732@lunn.ch>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1502110121250.16497@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
 <20150211140308.GD6732@lunn.ch>
Message-ID: <54DB6516.1050108@my.hennepintech.edu>

On 2015.02.11 08:03, Andrew Lunn wrote:
>> If I make a symlink on the NTFS drive using Linux, will that symlink
>> work when I attach the NTFS drive to a Windows 7 machine?  Do any of
>> you know the answer?
> 
> Sorry, no idea.
> 
> One thing to remember here is, its not linux, cygwin, or windows which
> is the key factor. It is NTFS. The file system needs to have the
> concept of a symbolic link. The version of NTFS used in XP does not
> have the concept. The .lnk files is a hack around the missing concept.
> It seems like NTFS used in vista does have the concept. Hence it might
> be possible to create them on the file system.
Actually, Linux, Cygwin, and Windows will all handle symlinks on NTFS
differently, unfortunately. It's been a while since I've used it, so I could be
a bit off, but AFAIK, NTFS implementations outside of Windows are not very good
and implement some of the more advanced features a bit hackishly. If that
doesn't put you off the idea, consider that even native support on Windows for
symlinks in NTFS is not very good: error codes are very wrong (try playing with
the feature in Python or C or something and you'll get incorrect error codes
returned by the OS when you try to do things like create a symlink where a file
already exists), and the ability to use the feature at all in Windows requires
a special privilege which is not given to standard user accounts (though it can
be specifically and explicitly granted). And, to top it off, Cygwin did weird
things when I had it use native symlinks instead of its own fake symlinks.

My advice is to stay far, far away from symlinks on NTFS.

From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Wed Feb 11 09:56:48 2015
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 09:56:48 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] max number of bytes for head/tail with -c option?
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9B4tUO--A+Mt_jDQ0qK-yFobWiFcygGyoM=S98xi7y8QQ@mail.gmail.com>

>
> When using head or tail with the -c option to specify some number of
> bytes, is there any limit to the size of the number that can be used?  I
> think there might not be a limit, or if there is one it is a number greater
> than the size of any file any of us will ever see.  Think so?
>

good question.  magnitude issues are all too often shrugged off, hence
issues like y2k, 2038, not to mention countless buffer overflow security
holes.

i've had fun at various times running a loop trying a number, then 10 times
that number, and so on to see the results, but of course that only tells
you the local/current functionality, where the real problem is all too
often that no upper limit is even defined, declared, or considered.
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From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 11 10:34:21 2015
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 16:34:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [tclug-list] Lenovo ThinkPad X200
In-Reply-To: <20150203062354.5b822ff2@riseup.net>
References: <20150203062354.5b822ff2@riseup.net>
Message-ID: <1037218559.3251479.1423672461480.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

I've got a fairly good batting average from ebay. Got an x210 that way.
 

     On Tuesday, February 3, 2015 1:49 AM, Kurtis Hanna <kurtis at riseup.net> wrote:
   
 

 Hello,

Does anyone have an old Lenovo ThinkPad X200 they want to sell or give
away? I want to get one and put LibreBoot on it.

Kurtis
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From galanolwe at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 11 10:41:34 2015
From: galanolwe at yahoo.com (Olwe Bottorff)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 16:41:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [tclug-list] Latest on Linux on a tablet?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502091018230.17537@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502091018230.17537@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <749047119.3343102.1423672894220.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

You know, I just installed something called GNURoot along with Wheezy -- and I seem to have Linux -- command line, that is. It allows me to apt-get stuff, so it must be a sort of cygwin for android. I'm going to try to have Emacs on it and play around with orgmode, which I have hope will save the world. :-|

Basically, I like the form factor of the tablet. I've never liked the clam-shell laptop. But I don't like poking and prodding a "finger OS." I'd just like my Nexus 10 to magically turn into linux box with a bluetooth keyboard and mouse to be totally honest.
 

     On Monday, February 9, 2015 11:19 AM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
   
 

 I understand, still want to know what you're actually trying to compile 
and run.

On Mon, 9 Feb 2015, Olwe Bottorff wrote:

> Supposedly with Terminal IDE you could compile lots of C-based software.
> Virtually anything on Linux you'd have a fair shot at. Terminal IDE was,
> therefore, a lot more than just a shell on Android.
> 
> 
> On Monday, February 9, 2015 1:07 AM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> 
>
>? ? ? Oh, didn't know what you were going for. What exact programs are
>? ? ? you
>? ? ? trying to run?
>
>? ? ? On Mon, 9 Feb 2015, Olwe Bottorff wrote:
>
>? ? ? > Not sure what you mean. Is Terminal IDE and "Android Terminal
>? ? ? Emulator" the
>? ? ? > same? Terminal IDE has C compiling capabilities, which allows
>? ? ? you to put
>? ? ? > many *nix/GNU/Open software on your device,? but doesn't seem
>? ? ? to work on
>? ? ? > lolipop.
>? ? ? >
>? ? ? >
>? ? ? > On Sunday, February 8, 2015 5:57 PM, Clug
>? ? ? <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>? ? ? >
>? ? ? >
>? ? ? >? ? ? Well, if you're trying to get native Linux (let alone X)
>? ? ? >? ? ? applications
>? ? ? >? ? ? running on an Android tablet, I think you're a bit out of
>? ? ? luck
>? ? ? >? ? ? right now.
>? ? ? >
>? ? ? >? ? ? But since you mentioned Terminal IDE... I have good ol'
>? ? ? Android
>? ? ? >? ? ? Terminal
>? ? ? >? ? ? Emulator working just fine on my Lollipop Nexus 10. Add
>? ? ? Hacker's
>? ? ? >? ? ? Keyboard
>? ? ? >? ? ? and it's even USABLE.
>? ? ? >
>? ? ? >? ? ? On Sun, 8 Feb 2015, Olwe Bottorff wrote:
>? ? ? >
>? ? ? >? ? ? > I've googled this subject until I just can't google
>? ? ? anymore:
>? ? ? >? ? ? Is there a
>? ? ? >? ? ? > reasonably decent and safe and working way to get Linux
>? ? ? on,
>? ? ? >? ? ? say, my Nexus
>? ? ? >? ? ? > 10?
>? ? ? >? ? ? >
>? ? ? >? ? ? > So much of the info I'm seeing is conflicting and
>? ? ? >? ? ? contradictory and, above
>? ? ? >? ? ? > all, incomplete. One of the biggest teases, of course,
>? ? ? is
>? ? ? >? ? ? Ubuntu's? devices
>? ? ? >? ? ? > page . . . which doesn't seem to have a real product
>? ? ? yet. And
>? ? ? >? ? ? then there's
>? ? ? >? ? ? > all these Android Store apps where you're putting some
>? ? ? form of
>? ? ? >? ? ? some Linux on
>? ? ? >? ? ? > top of Android -- and that all looks quite dodgy.
>? ? ? Anyone have
>? ? ? >? ? ? something
>? ? ? >? ? ? > definitie to say on this subject? And don't say
>? ? ? Terminal IDE,
>? ? ? >? ? ? because it's
>? ? ? >? ? ? > broke on Lolipop. . . .
>? ? ? >? ? ? >
>? ? ? >? ? ? > Thanking you in advance,
>? ? ? >? ? ? > LB
>? ? ? >? ? ? >
>? ? ? >? ? ? >
>? ? ? >? ? ? >
>? ? ? >
>? ? ? > _______________________________________________
>? ? ? > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>? ? ? > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>? ? ? > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>? ? ? >
>? ? ? >
>? ? ? >
>? ? ? >
> 
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From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 12:19:13 2015
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 12:19:13 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] max number of bytes for head/tail with -c option?
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9B4tUO--A+Mt_jDQ0qK-yFobWiFcygGyoM=S98xi7y8QQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9B4tUO--A+Mt_jDQ0qK-yFobWiFcygGyoM=S98xi7y8QQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1502111215080.16497@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

On Wed, 11 Feb 2015, gregrwm wrote:

>> When using head or tail with the -c option to specify some number of 
>> bytes, is there any limit to the size of the number that can be used? 
>> I think there might not be a limit, or if there is one it is a number 
>> greater than the size of any file any of us will ever see.  Think so?
>
> good question.  magnitude issues are all too often shrugged off, hence 
> issues like y2k, 2038, not to mention countless buffer overflow security 
> holes.
>
> i've had fun at various times running a loop trying a number, then 10 
> times that number, and so on to see the results, but of course that only 
> tells you the local/current functionality, where the real problem is all 
> too often that no upper limit is even defined, declared, or considered.

I looked at man pages and searched on line, but I forgot to look at the 
info page.  Someone at MSI did that for me and sent me the info below. 
So the answer seems to be that it can go beyond 2^80 and no one will ever 
have file that big....


The man page for 'head' references "info coreutils 'head invocation'" for 
invocation details. Within this man page, is this section:

`-c K'
`--bytes=K'
Print the first K bytes, instead of initial lines. However, if K
starts with a `-', print all but the last K bytes of each file. K
may be, or may be an integer optionally followed by, one of the
following multiplicative suffixes:
`b' => 512 ("blocks")
`KB' => 1000 (KiloBytes)
`K' => 1024 (KibiBytes)
`MB' => 1000*1000 (MegaBytes)
`M' => 1024*1024 (MebiBytes)
`GB' => 1000*1000*1000 (GigaBytes)
`G' => 1024*1024*1024 (GibiBytes)
and so on for `T', `P', `E', `Z', and `Y'.

This indicates very strongly that "-c" can go into Yottabytes
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yottabyte).


Mike

From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 12:37:31 2015
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 12:37:31 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] symlinks on NTFS USB drive in Cygwin and Linux
In-Reply-To: <54DB6516.1050108@my.hennepintech.edu>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1502101535280.16497@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
 <20150210220748.GA6732@lunn.ch>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1502110121250.16497@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
 <20150211140308.GD6732@lunn.ch> <54DB6516.1050108@my.hennepintech.edu>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1502111222170.16497@taxa.psych.umn.edu>

Right now I'm using a few symlinks to regular files with relative paths on 
the NTFS drive.  I'll find a Win 7 box to test if they work there.  I 
think symlinks can't be created on Windows Vista, 7, 8, without Admin 
permissions, but can't they be followed?

Mike


On Wed, 11 Feb 2015, Andrew Berg wrote:

> On 2015.02.11 08:03, Andrew Lunn wrote:
>>> If I make a symlink on the NTFS drive using Linux, will that symlink
>>> work when I attach the NTFS drive to a Windows 7 machine?  Do any of
>>> you know the answer?
>>
>> Sorry, no idea.
>>
>> One thing to remember here is, its not linux, cygwin, or windows which
>> is the key factor. It is NTFS. The file system needs to have the
>> concept of a symbolic link. The version of NTFS used in XP does not
>> have the concept. The .lnk files is a hack around the missing concept.
>> It seems like NTFS used in vista does have the concept. Hence it might
>> be possible to create them on the file system.
>
> Actually, Linux, Cygwin, and Windows will all handle symlinks on NTFS 
> differently, unfortunately. It's been a while since I've used it, so I 
> could be a bit off, but AFAIK, NTFS implementations outside of Windows 
> are not very good and implement some of the more advanced features a bit 
> hackishly. If that doesn't put you off the idea, consider that even 
> native support on Windows for symlinks in NTFS is not very good: error 
> codes are very wrong (try playing with the feature in Python or C or 
> something and you'll get incorrect error codes returned by the OS when 
> you try to do things like create a symlink where a file already exists), 
> and the ability to use the feature at all in Windows requires a special 
> privilege which is not given to standard user accounts (though it can be 
> specifically and explicitly granted). And, to top it off, Cygwin did 
> weird things when I had it use native symlinks instead of its own fake 
> symlinks.
>
> My advice is to stay far, far away from symlinks on NTFS.
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From aberg010 at my.hennepintech.edu  Wed Feb 11 12:59:00 2015
From: aberg010 at my.hennepintech.edu (Andrew Berg)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 12:59:00 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] symlinks on NTFS USB drive in Cygwin and Linux
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1502111222170.16497@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1502101535280.16497@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
 <20150210220748.GA6732@lunn.ch>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1502110121250.16497@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
 <20150211140308.GD6732@lunn.ch> <54DB6516.1050108@my.hennepintech.edu>
 <alpine.DEB.2.00.1502111222170.16497@taxa.psych.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <54DBA674.2030608@my.hennepintech.edu>

On 2015.02.11 12:37, Mike Miller wrote:
> Right now I'm using a few symlinks to regular files with relative paths on 
> the NTFS drive.  I'll find a Win 7 box to test if they work there.  I 
> think symlinks can't be created on Windows Vista, 7, 8, without Admin 
> permissions, but can't they be followed?
> 
> Mike
Creation of symlinks requires a specific privilege that can be granted to
non-admin accounts (I granted it to my standard account ages ago when I was
experimenting with them). Following existing links is available to anyone who
is allowed to read the link (it's a filesystem permission, just like on Linux),
which is Everyone by default. The target file/directory permissions will still
apply of course once the link is followed.

From o1bigtenor at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 22:18:59 2015
From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 22:18:59 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Flash renewal
Message-ID: <CAPpdf59_R1sdYHSNGuFn=EuXZcXwNmOPbL05s5jz5J_8F8w35A@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings

I just updated my flash on Iceweasel (Firefox equivalent for Debian) a few
weeks ago. In the last couple days the 'allow the use of your obsolete
Flash' query is again polluting my screens.

Does anyone else find this barrage frustrating?

Does anyone happen to know how to let those that create this 'dreck' know
that I would rather not have it being used on my system?

Any way to eliminate the nuisance?

Dee
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Wed Feb 11 22:38:55 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 22:38:55 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Flash renewal
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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502112235420.20834@cockerel.yaron.org>

Well, one problem here is Flash is a pretty terrible piece of software. If 
you can at all avoid using it, I'd do that. Youtube is defaulting to HTML5 
now, but that seems to be problematic on Linux.

Normally Firefox will absolutely let old versions of Flash run. When it 
prevents them, it's usually because there was an actually serious flaw 
found in the version you're running, which can occasionally be a fairly 
recent one (see my previous point).

Now on Ubuntu I've never had this happen where an apt-get update && 
apt-get -u dist-upgrade didn't fix it. Not sure how fast debian responds 
or if it has Flash in it's repos, but I'd just try that first.


On Wed, 11 Feb 2015, o1bigtenor wrote:

> Greetings
> 
> I just updated my flash on Iceweasel (Firefox equivalent for Debian) a few
> weeks ago. In the last couple days the 'allow the use of your obsolete
> Flash' query is again polluting my screens.
> 
> Does anyone else find this barrage frustrating?
> 
> Does anyone happen to know how to let those that create this 'dreck' know
> that I would rather not have it being used on my system?
> 
> Any way to eliminate the nuisance?
> 
> Dee
> 
>

From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 07:42:29 2015
From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 07:42:29 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Flash renewal
In-Reply-To: <CAPpdf59_R1sdYHSNGuFn=EuXZcXwNmOPbL05s5jz5J_8F8w35A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPpdf59_R1sdYHSNGuFn=EuXZcXwNmOPbL05s5jz5J_8F8w35A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACEdYO0CSA58g37t68N7PCN0FA8JG3Gw1_MBkh91r0Fc_pAVUg@mail.gmail.com>

There may be something in about:config to turn off the warning, but
you're way better off upgrading the flash library. The last few months
have been brutal with zero days and drive by downloads with flash.
And, it's come from everywhere; forums, ad redirects, and compromised
VPS boxes to name a few.

IMO, like that of Mr. Clug, is to either avoid flash or, my preference
is to use google-chrome. Chrome has built-in support and the latest
updates for flash (so long as the browser is up to date). It runs
really well in Linux (gpu acceleration, native 64-bit support,
Netflix). And, if you don't need or want to use flash, you can disable
it easily, under chrome://plugins/.

--
Jeremy MountainJohnson
Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com


On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:18 PM, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor at gmail.com> wrote:
> Greetings
>
> I just updated my flash on Iceweasel (Firefox equivalent for Debian) a few
> weeks ago. In the last couple days the 'allow the use of your obsolete
> Flash' query is again polluting my screens.
>
> Does anyone else find this barrage frustrating?
>
> Does anyone happen to know how to let those that create this 'dreck' know
> that I would rather not have it being used on my system?
>
> Any way to eliminate the nuisance?
>
> Dee
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From o1bigtenor at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 10:26:40 2015
From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 10:26:40 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Flash renewal
In-Reply-To: <CACEdYO0CSA58g37t68N7PCN0FA8JG3Gw1_MBkh91r0Fc_pAVUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPpdf59_R1sdYHSNGuFn=EuXZcXwNmOPbL05s5jz5J_8F8w35A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACEdYO0CSA58g37t68N7PCN0FA8JG3Gw1_MBkh91r0Fc_pAVUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPpdf5-iXhF6YHwceO6n2rSnpVx=xrNf7nUtAu8XEidy229SeQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Jeremy MountainJohnson <
jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com> wrote:

> There may be something in about:config to turn off the warning, but
> you're way better off upgrading the flash library. The last few months
> have been brutal with zero days and drive by downloads with flash.
> And, it's come from everywhere; forums, ad redirects, and compromised
> VPS boxes to name a few.
>
> IMO, like that of Mr. Clug, is to either avoid flash or, my preference
> is to use google-chrome. Chrome has built-in support and the latest
> updates for flash (so long as the browser is up to date). It runs
> really well in Linux (gpu acceleration, native 64-bit support,
> Netflix). And, if you don't need or want to use flash, you can disable
> it easily, under chrome://plugins/.
>
> I tried using the most recent version of Chromium available for Debian.
Flash
content simply doesn't show up.

I would love to not have to use Flash - - - I have thought it was garbage
software
from when I first read about it and ran into it at least 10 years ago. Its
always been about pretty
pictures and dazzle with precious little substance but most web designers
seem
to have fallen totally in love with it and can't function without it.

Any ideas as to where I could let the powers that be know that this POS
software
just needs to be trashed (permanently!!! please)?

(If someone wants to suggest Firefox, their support forums are a total
boondoggle so I
would quite rather not waste time there.)

Maybe someone could tell me how to just force all flash content to appear
in a different
format?
(I'm fishing for ideas on how to get rid of this malware!)

Dee
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From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 11:10:14 2015
From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 11:10:14 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Flash renewal
In-Reply-To: <CAPpdf5-iXhF6YHwceO6n2rSnpVx=xrNf7nUtAu8XEidy229SeQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CACEdYO0CSA58g37t68N7PCN0FA8JG3Gw1_MBkh91r0Fc_pAVUg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPpdf5-iXhF6YHwceO6n2rSnpVx=xrNf7nUtAu8XEidy229SeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACEdYO2zRK4+SEZn-fHX4fNO+01DpuROmY=MB4u_B_PkgwjYHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Not chromium, google-chrome, there is a huge difference. Chromium is
similar to iceweasal, it's mostly open sourced and strips out
proprietary stuff like flash, which is why it didn't work for you.

If you are really set on iceweasal and sacrificing your workstation to
the flash gods, try this below. With that said, you're on your own and
were warned to not use out of date flash:
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Extensions.blocklist.enabled

If you want to use actual google-chrome, go here:
https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/
Click other platform if you want 64-bit binaries, they have rpm and
deb files available.

--
Jeremy MountainJohnson
Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com


On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:26 AM, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 7:42 AM, Jeremy MountainJohnson
> <jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> There may be something in about:config to turn off the warning, but
>> you're way better off upgrading the flash library. The last few months
>> have been brutal with zero days and drive by downloads with flash.
>> And, it's come from everywhere; forums, ad redirects, and compromised
>> VPS boxes to name a few.
>>
>> IMO, like that of Mr. Clug, is to either avoid flash or, my preference
>> is to use google-chrome. Chrome has built-in support and the latest
>> updates for flash (so long as the browser is up to date). It runs
>> really well in Linux (gpu acceleration, native 64-bit support,
>> Netflix). And, if you don't need or want to use flash, you can disable
>> it easily, under chrome://plugins/.
>>
> I tried using the most recent version of Chromium available for Debian.
> Flash
> content simply doesn't show up.
>
> I would love to not have to use Flash - - - I have thought it was garbage
> software
> from when I first read about it and ran into it at least 10 years ago. Its
> always been about pretty
> pictures and dazzle with precious little substance but most web designers
> seem
> to have fallen totally in love with it and can't function without it.
>
> Any ideas as to where I could let the powers that be know that this POS
> software
> just needs to be trashed (permanently!!! please)?
>
> (If someone wants to suggest Firefox, their support forums are a total
> boondoggle so I
> would quite rather not waste time there.)
>
> Maybe someone could tell me how to just force all flash content to appear in
> a different
> format?
> (I'm fishing for ideas on how to get rid of this malware!)
>
> Dee
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From gsker at skerbitz.org  Thu Feb 12 11:19:08 2015
From: gsker at skerbitz.org (gerry)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 11:19:08 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Flash renewal
In-Reply-To: <CAPpdf59_R1sdYHSNGuFn=EuXZcXwNmOPbL05s5jz5J_8F8w35A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPpdf59_R1sdYHSNGuFn=EuXZcXwNmOPbL05s5jz5J_8F8w35A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1502120838380.32330@skerbitz.org>

In ubuntu, I added the partner repo to my sources.list.
     deb http://archive.canonical.com/ trusty partner

flashplugin-installer is still working in older versions, but trusty and newer 
are not finding the download file.  Probably just a temporary problem, but the 
partner repo fixed it.

I don't know what that means for pure Debian, but I just figured I'd share.
It's at 11.2.202.442.
Install that will get rid of the warning also.

Gerry

On Wed, 11 Feb 2015, o1bigtenor wrote:

> Greetings
> 
> I just updated my flash on Iceweasel (Firefox equivalent for Debian) a few weeks
> ago. In the last couple days the 'allow the use of your obsolete Flash' query is
> again polluting my screens.
> 
> Does anyone else find this barrage frustrating?
> 
> Does anyone happen to know how to let those that create this 'dreck' know that I
> would rather not have it being used on my system?
> 
> Any way to eliminate the nuisance?
> 
> Dee
> 
>

From andrew at lunn.ch  Thu Feb 12 11:25:17 2015
From: andrew at lunn.ch (Andrew Lunn)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 18:25:17 +0100
Subject: [tclug-list] Flash renewal
In-Reply-To: <CACEdYO2zRK4+SEZn-fHX4fNO+01DpuROmY=MB4u_B_PkgwjYHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPpdf59_R1sdYHSNGuFn=EuXZcXwNmOPbL05s5jz5J_8F8w35A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACEdYO0CSA58g37t68N7PCN0FA8JG3Gw1_MBkh91r0Fc_pAVUg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPpdf5-iXhF6YHwceO6n2rSnpVx=xrNf7nUtAu8XEidy229SeQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACEdYO2zRK4+SEZn-fHX4fNO+01DpuROmY=MB4u_B_PkgwjYHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20150212172517.GI6732@lunn.ch>

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 11:10:14AM -0600, Jeremy MountainJohnson wrote:
> Not chromium, google-chrome, there is a huge difference. Chromium is
> similar to iceweasal, it's mostly open sourced and strips out
> proprietary stuff like flash, which is why it didn't work for you.

It is however possible to use google's version for flash with
chromium. On debian you need

pepperflashplugin-nonfree

	Andrew

From mat at mthx.org  Thu Feb 12 16:35:24 2015
From: mat at mthx.org (Marc Thomas)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 16:35:24 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: February Meeting - Juju Charms!
Message-ID: <1423780524.27605.2@smtp.gmail.com>

Hey TCLUG and K-LUG,

I wanted to extend an invite to NORLUG's meeting this month. The 
details are below!


---------- Forwarded message ----------

 From: Marc Thomas <mat at mthx.org>
Subject: February Meeting - Juju Charms!
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 16:29:08 -0600
To: NORLUG Mailing List <norlug at googlegroups.com>

Hey NORLUG,

This month, we have Matt Bruzek from Canonical, the company behind 
Ubuntu, coming to talk to us about Juju charms.

Juju is a system that provisions and orchestrates across a variety of 
cloud environments. Juju allows you to deploy best practice services 
called ?charms? to virtual machine instances. The presentation will 
include a demo of the Juju technology and some of its tooling.

We will be meeting at SPUR Coworking Space in Northfield, MN on 
February 26th, 2015 at 7:00 pm. Our traditional social hour will follow 
the meeting at Basils Pizzaria.

G+ Event


--
Marc Thomas
mthx.org | Github: mthxx | @mthx_
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From o1bigtenor at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 15:41:08 2015
From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:41:08 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] RAID question
Message-ID: <CAPpdf5-hbckC9kgZwNXLuzBdm_=dXbGDnrh8pb0siVHF4SQfUA@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings

I have been running a raid 10 array for almost 3 years.

Last September on a reboot (forced by Firefox and kernel memory interaction
problems) came up with one of the drives being listed as DOA.
The raid array has continued to run on 3 drives although on reboots there
is much complaining from whatever in the boot up process.
I had the replacement drive sent to me and today I installed the drive.

I was under the assumption that the raid array would rebuild itself upon
startup with a new drive (4th out of 4).

This did not happen.

I am running Debian Jessie (testing) and have the whole time in question.
I can mount the array and it is visible.
I'm looking at backing up the array (on blu-ray discs) but as I'm now to
circa 45 GB of data and I was at about 22 GB when I last did a backup this
is going to be a momentous event.

How do I ask mdadm to include this new drive into the array? (Without
borking everything!! I have found lots of instructions on how to create but
none in an hour of trying different search phrases on how to rebuild or how
to cause the array to rebuild itself. I have only been able to find
instructions for when the array is totally sick and I'm not there (yet - -
- grin!) but I don't want to wait until another drive craps out to get
things going.)

TIA

Dee
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From nassarmu at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 17:37:34 2015
From: nassarmu at gmail.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:37:34 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] RAID question
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References: <CAPpdf5-hbckC9kgZwNXLuzBdm_=dXbGDnrh8pb0siVHF4SQfUA@mail.gmail.com>
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First of all, BACKUP YOUR DATA before proceeding because RAID IS NOT BACKUP.

you need to find out how the drives are currently configured... are
you using linux-md? assuming that you are here are some tips:

mdadm --detail /dev/md0 (or wherever it is)

you should see something like:
       0       8       17        0      active sync   /dev/sdb1
       1       8        1        1      active sync   /dev/sda1
       2       8       33        2      active sync   /dev/sdc1
       3       8       49        3      active sync   /dev/sdd1

although in your case one of those will be listed as down, notice how
i have /dev/sdb1, which means i am using the first partition... this
will not always be the case (it might be 2, 3 or whatever, it may even
be the entire drive)

now, BACKUP YOUR DATA before proceeding.

assuming it is a partition then you will want to copy the entire
partition map over from one of the good drives (and i am assuming here
that all drives are partitioned the same, again might not be)
sudo /sbin/sfdisk -d /dev/GOOD| /sbinsfdisk --force /dev/NEW

and BACKUP YOUR DATA before proceeding

Now you can add the drive to the array using mdadm:
mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/NEW

and you can monitor the rebuilding process by catting /proc/mdstat,
you will most likely want to update the boot loader so that your
system can boot from the new drive as well.

but BACKUP YOUR DATA before proceeding

Of course, you will want to think long and hard when you are doing any
of this, if you copy the partition table the wrong direction you risk
destroying your data. If you are using something else in addition like
LVM then you will need to adjust accordingly. most importantly however
is that you BACKUP YOUR DATA. and I cannot stress this enough: BACKUP
YOUR DATA before doing any of this.

Remember RAID IS NOT BACKUP. so in case i have not said it enough yet:
BACKUP YOUR DATA.


On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:41 PM, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor at gmail.com> wrote:
> Greetings
>
> I have been running a raid 10 array for almost 3 years.
>
> Last September on a reboot (forced by Firefox and kernel memory interaction
> problems) came up with one of the drives being listed as DOA.
> The raid array has continued to run on 3 drives although on reboots there is
> much complaining from whatever in the boot up process.
> I had the replacement drive sent to me and today I installed the drive.
>
> I was under the assumption that the raid array would rebuild itself upon
> startup with a new drive (4th out of 4).
>
> This did not happen.
>
> I am running Debian Jessie (testing) and have the whole time in question.
> I can mount the array and it is visible.
> I'm looking at backing up the array (on blu-ray discs) but as I'm now to
> circa 45 GB of data and I was at about 22 GB when I last did a backup this
> is going to be a momentous event.
>
> How do I ask mdadm to include this new drive into the array? (Without
> borking everything!! I have found lots of instructions on how to create but
> none in an hour of trying different search phrases on how to rebuild or how
> to cause the array to rebuild itself. I have only been able to find
> instructions for when the array is totally sick and I'm not there (yet - - -
> grin!) but I don't want to wait until another drive craps out to get things
> going.)
>
> TIA
>
> Dee
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Tue Feb 17 18:54:59 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:54:59 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] RAID question
In-Reply-To: <CAKpMjPj=Dyq40x3SRMWWT87Kw0RUu9VJkAWA5b6nDUdH0kXJdQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPpdf5-hbckC9kgZwNXLuzBdm_=dXbGDnrh8pb0siVHF4SQfUA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKpMjPj=Dyq40x3SRMWWT87Kw0RUu9VJkAWA5b6nDUdH0kXJdQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <410A1CA5-5900-49F0-A0ED-5B47F5F283EB@cwis.biz>

From someone that is currently going through this recovery?

Sending to Kroll Ontrack will cost $1000 just to look at the data. They quote $8,000 to $18,000 for the recovery.

I sent 8 3TB drives on the 28th of January. 1 drive has been in the clean room since the 3rd. It was less than 1% imaged after 10 days.

Thankfully my insurance company is paying for the $1000 diagnostic and likely the entire recovery (or we?re going to have to crowd source the funds).
?
Ryan

> On Feb 17, 2015, at 5:37 PM, Munir Nassar <nassarmu at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> First of all, BACKUP YOUR DATA before proceeding because RAID IS NOT BACKUP.
> 
> you need to find out how the drives are currently configured... are
> you using linux-md? assuming that you are here are some tips:
> 
> mdadm --detail /dev/md0 (or wherever it is)
> 
> you should see something like:
>       0       8       17        0      active sync   /dev/sdb1
>       1       8        1        1      active sync   /dev/sda1
>       2       8       33        2      active sync   /dev/sdc1
>       3       8       49        3      active sync   /dev/sdd1
> 
> although in your case one of those will be listed as down, notice how
> i have /dev/sdb1, which means i am using the first partition... this
> will not always be the case (it might be 2, 3 or whatever, it may even
> be the entire drive)
> 
> now, BACKUP YOUR DATA before proceeding.
> 
> assuming it is a partition then you will want to copy the entire
> partition map over from one of the good drives (and i am assuming here
> that all drives are partitioned the same, again might not be)
> sudo /sbin/sfdisk -d /dev/GOOD| /sbinsfdisk --force /dev/NEW
> 
> and BACKUP YOUR DATA before proceeding
> 
> Now you can add the drive to the array using mdadm:
> mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/NEW
> 
> and you can monitor the rebuilding process by catting /proc/mdstat,
> you will most likely want to update the boot loader so that your
> system can boot from the new drive as well.
> 
> but BACKUP YOUR DATA before proceeding
> 
> Of course, you will want to think long and hard when you are doing any
> of this, if you copy the partition table the wrong direction you risk
> destroying your data. If you are using something else in addition like
> LVM then you will need to adjust accordingly. most importantly however
> is that you BACKUP YOUR DATA. and I cannot stress this enough: BACKUP
> YOUR DATA before doing any of this.
> 
> Remember RAID IS NOT BACKUP. so in case i have not said it enough yet:
> BACKUP YOUR DATA.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:41 PM, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Greetings
>> 
>> I have been running a raid 10 array for almost 3 years.
>> 
>> Last September on a reboot (forced by Firefox and kernel memory interaction
>> problems) came up with one of the drives being listed as DOA.
>> The raid array has continued to run on 3 drives although on reboots there is
>> much complaining from whatever in the boot up process.
>> I had the replacement drive sent to me and today I installed the drive.
>> 
>> I was under the assumption that the raid array would rebuild itself upon
>> startup with a new drive (4th out of 4).
>> 
>> This did not happen.
>> 
>> I am running Debian Jessie (testing) and have the whole time in question.
>> I can mount the array and it is visible.
>> I'm looking at backing up the array (on blu-ray discs) but as I'm now to
>> circa 45 GB of data and I was at about 22 GB when I last did a backup this
>> is going to be a momentous event.
>> 
>> How do I ask mdadm to include this new drive into the array? (Without
>> borking everything!! I have found lots of instructions on how to create but
>> none in an hour of trying different search phrases on how to rebuild or how
>> to cause the array to rebuild itself. I have only been able to find
>> instructions for when the array is totally sick and I'm not there (yet - - -
>> grin!) but I don't want to wait until another drive craps out to get things
>> going.)
>> 
>> TIA
>> 
>> Dee
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From o1bigtenor at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 21:47:25 2015
From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 21:47:25 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] RAID question
In-Reply-To: <CAKpMjPj=Dyq40x3SRMWWT87Kw0RUu9VJkAWA5b6nDUdH0kXJdQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPpdf5-hbckC9kgZwNXLuzBdm_=dXbGDnrh8pb0siVHF4SQfUA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:37 PM, Munir Nassar <nassarmu at gmail.com> wrote:

> First of all, BACKUP YOUR DATA before proceeding because RAID IS NOT
> BACKUP.
>
> you need to find out how the drives are currently configured... are
> you using linux-md? assuming that you are here are some tips:
>
> mdadm --detail /dev/md0 (or wherever it is)
>
> you should see something like:
>        0       8       17        0      active sync   /dev/sdb1
>        1       8        1        1      active sync   /dev/sda1
>        2       8       33        2      active sync   /dev/sdc1
>        3       8       49        3      active sync   /dev/sdd1
>
> although in your case one of those will be listed as down, notice how
> i have /dev/sdb1, which means i am using the first partition... this
> will not always be the case (it might be 2, 3 or whatever, it may even
> be the entire drive)
>

Very very much like your table.

>
> now, BACKUP YOUR DATA before proceeding.
>
> assuming it is a partition then you will want to copy the entire
> partition map over from one of the good drives (and i am assuming here
> that all drives are partitioned the same, again might not be)
> sudo /sbin/sfdisk -d /dev/GOOD| /sbinsfdisk --force /dev/NEW
>
> I was forced to use gdisk.
Would think that the commands are similar but different.
(I really wish that man pages had examples of BOTH good and bad commands
together with results from running whichever. This would be far easier for
the
non-specialist to understand and follow.)


> and BACKUP YOUR DATA before proceeding
>
> Now you can add the drive to the array using mdadm:
> mdadm --add /dev/md0 /dev/NEW
>
> and you can monitor the rebuilding process by catting /proc/mdstat,
> you will most likely want to update the boot loader so that your
> system can boot from the new drive as well.
>

New drive is absolutely NOT involved with anything boot. The array is
for storage and nothing else.
There is another drive for operating systems and info.

>
> but BACKUP YOUR DATA before proceeding
>
> Of course, you will want to think long and hard when you are doing any
> of this, if you copy the partition table the wrong direction you risk
> destroying your data. If you are using something else in addition like
> LVM then you will need to adjust accordingly. most importantly however
> is that you BACKUP YOUR DATA. and I cannot stress this enough: BACKUP
> YOUR DATA before doing any of this.
>
> Remember RAID IS NOT BACKUP. so in case i have not said it enough yet:
> BACKUP YOUR DATA.
>

Lots of disk changing coming up!

Thanks for your tips and insights!!

Dee
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From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com  Tue Feb 17 22:36:56 2015
From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (kelly)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:36:56 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] RAID question
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>  Tue Feb 17 2015 09:47:25 PM CSTfrom "o1bigtenor" <o1bigtenor at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] RAID question
>
>    
>  I was forced to use gdisk.
>    Would think that the commands are similar but different.
>
>  (I really wish that man pages had examples of BOTH good and bad commands
>
>  together with results from running whichever. This would be far easier for
>the
>
>  non-specialist to understand and follow.)
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  

          If you are using gdisk (and GPT partitions), you will probably want
to make sure your GUID is unique (if you copy the partition table with gdisk,
I think it copies the GUID of the original disk by default).? The flag seems
to have been changed in the man page since I last used it, so you might want
to check your local copies man page on how to generate a new GUID for the new
disk.
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From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 23:57:35 2015
From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:57:35 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] RAID question
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Message-ID: <54E429CF.4050706@gmail.com>

On 2/17/2015 9:47 PM, o1bigtenor wrote:

Only hardware raid's will do automatic rebuilds.

> I was forced to use gdisk.

1st:   sgdisk -R /dev/sdY /dev/sdX

This copies the partitions from X to Y

2nd:   sgdisk -G /dev/sdY

This will randomize the GUID on the X disk & it's partitions




From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com  Wed Feb 18 00:01:39 2015
From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:01:39 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] RAID question
In-Reply-To: <54E429CF.4050706@gmail.com>
References: <CAPpdf5-hbckC9kgZwNXLuzBdm_=dXbGDnrh8pb0siVHF4SQfUA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <54E42AC3.2090100@gmail.com>

Sorry it's late

On 2/17/2015 11:57 PM, B-o-B De Mars wrote:

>
> Only hardware raid's will do automatic rebuilds.
>
>> I was forced to use gdisk.
>
> 1st:   sgdisk -R /dev/sdY /dev/sdX
>
> This copies the partitions from X to Y
>
> 2nd:   sgdisk -G /dev/sdY
>
CORRECTION:  This will randomize the GUID on the Y disk & it's partitions

> This will randomize the GUID on the X disk & it's partitions
>
>
>


From danielswiftstaff at gmail.com  Thu Feb 19 14:23:17 2015
From: danielswiftstaff at gmail.com (Daniel Swift)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:23:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [JOB] Linux AWS Sys Admin - 100% Telecommute
Message-ID: <02e701d04c81$e58bc920$b0a35b60$@com>

My client is a rapidly growing technology company looking for the best and
brightest technology talent to support our software development and client
portfolio. They are currently looking for a Systems Admin within the United
States to join the team.  

They are looking for a 100% telecommute Linux AWS Sys Admin currently living
in and authorized to work in the United States. This is a full time,
salaried position paying $60,000 to $80,000 + benefits.

Required Skills: 
* Build and configure large AWS environments, preferably with Magento 
* 4+ years full-time (or significant experience) as a Linux systems
administrator 
* Previous work in a high-availability, mission-critical environment 
* Ability to work independently and take ownership of projects 
* Knowledge of the inner-workings of MySQL, including optimization and
replication 
* Automation experience with Puppet, Ruby, and/or Bash 
* Load balancing and failover configuration 
* AWS EC2, Cloud-Formation, IAM, VPC, AWS-CLI 
* Nginx and Apache 
* Varnish, Memcache, Redis 
* Proven ability to interact effectively with people in all levels of the
organization (cross-functional, on/shore technical teams and executive
management) 
* Strong problem solving skills, ability to triage technical issues and
drive resolution with cross functional teams 
* Strong decision-making skills, and an understanding of where projects fit
into the overall architecture strategy 
* Ability to roll with changes in a dynamic work environment, shaping
changes into opportunities. Proven performance record with demonstrated
leadership skills 
* Excellent communication, negotiation and facilitation skills are required 
* Experience with Agile development methodology and distributed code
repositories with GIT 

Benefits for You: 
* Work in a high-paced yet casual atmosphere 
* Join a team of highly talented and dedicated resources 
* Experience tremendous growth and help shape the organization 
* Work within a worldwide development team from North America, South
America, Europe, Eastern Europe and India 
* Experience large projects with Fortune 500 customers 

Compensation and Hours: 
* Competitive base salary 
* Full benefits with retirement plan 

Full client and job details furnished to qualified applicants. To be
considered, please submit your resume and salary requirements to
dan at swift-staffing.com - Your information will be held in the strictest of
confidence and will not be submitted anywhere without your consent. 



[JOB #2] Magento Developer - 100% Telecommute 

My client is a rapidly growing technology company looking for the best and
brightest technology talent to support our software development and client
portfolio. They are currently looking for a Magento Developer within the
United States to join the team. 

They are looking for a 100% telecommute Magento Developer currently living
in and authorized to work in the United States. This is a full time,
salaried position paying $60,000 to $80,000 + benefits. 

Required Skills: 
* 3+ years of Magento Development (current experience) 
* 4+ years' experience with PHP in a LAMP based environment 
* Good understanding of Object Oriented principles and web application
fundamentals 
* Experience with frameworks such as Zend Framework, Prototype(JS),
JQuery(JS) 
* Knowledge with working on Relational Databases (MySQL) 
* Experience with Version Control Systems (SVN, GIT) 
* Experience in UNIX systems on a user level. Familiarity with Atlassian
suite of products (Jira, Confluence) 
* Familiarity with Agile/Scrum 
* Proven ability to interact effectively with people in all levels of the
organization (cross-functional, on/shore technical teams and executive
management) 
* Experience with architecture design concepts and techniques and the
ability to communicate and evangelize those concepts to a broad based team 
* Strong problem solving skills, ability to triage technical issues and
drive resolution with cross functional teams 
* Strong decision-making skills, and an understanding of where projects fit
into the overall architecture strategy 
* Ability to roll with changes in a dynamic work environment, shaping
changes into opportunities. Proven performance record with demonstrated
leadership skills 
* Excellent communication, negotiation and facilitation skills are required 
* Experience with Agile development methodology and distributed code
repositories with GIT 

Benefits for You:
* Work in a high-paced yet casual atmosphere
* Join a team of highly talented and dedicated resources
* Experience tremendous growth and help shape the organization
* Work within a worldwide development team from North America, South
America, Europe, Eastern Europe and India
* Experience large projects with Fortune 500 customers

Compensation and Hours:
* Competitive base salary
* Full benefits with retirement plan

Full client and job details furnished to qualified applicants. To be
considered, please submit your resume and salary requirements to
dan at swift-staffing.com - Your information will be held in the strictest of
confidence and will not be submitted anywhere without your consent.

Thank you,
Dan Swift

http://swift-staffing.com
dan at swift-staffing.com 

Swift Staffing has the lowest fees in the industry: Just 10% for full time
hires and $10/hour for consultants. Looking to hire a rock star? Give us a
shot. You'll be glad you did.


From chrome at real-time.com  Thu Feb 19 14:45:34 2015
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:45:34 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Removing TCLUG-jobs list
Message-ID: <20150219204534.GA799@real-time.com>

The TCLUG-Jobs list has been around for many years. However, the amount of
legitimate traffic on it has been effectively nil for the past few years,
and the amount of spam on it has increased to dozens of messages a day.
Rather than keep spending time deleting junk messages for a mailing list
which empirical evidence says no one uses anymore, we are going to delete
this list.

-- 
Carl Soderstrom
Systems Administrator
Real-Time Enterprises
www.real-time.com

From tclug at freakzilla.com  Thu Feb 19 14:49:34 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:49:34 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] [JOB] Linux AWS Sys Admin - 100% Telecommute
In-Reply-To: <02e701d04c81$e58bc920$b0a35b60$@com>
References: <02e701d04c81$e58bc920$b0a35b60$@com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502191449210.17837@cockerel.yaron.org>

Daniel,

Where is this job located?

On Thu, 19 Feb 2015, Daniel Swift wrote:

> My client is a rapidly growing technology company looking for the best and
> brightest technology talent to support our software development and client
> portfolio. They are currently looking for a Systems Admin within the United
> States to join the team.
>
> They are looking for a 100% telecommute Linux AWS Sys Admin currently living
> in and authorized to work in the United States. This is a full time,
> salaried position paying $60,000 to $80,000 + benefits.
>
> Required Skills:
> * Build and configure large AWS environments, preferably with Magento
> * 4+ years full-time (or significant experience) as a Linux systems
> administrator
> * Previous work in a high-availability, mission-critical environment
> * Ability to work independently and take ownership of projects
> * Knowledge of the inner-workings of MySQL, including optimization and
> replication
> * Automation experience with Puppet, Ruby, and/or Bash
> * Load balancing and failover configuration
> * AWS EC2, Cloud-Formation, IAM, VPC, AWS-CLI
> * Nginx and Apache
> * Varnish, Memcache, Redis
> * Proven ability to interact effectively with people in all levels of the
> organization (cross-functional, on/shore technical teams and executive
> management)
> * Strong problem solving skills, ability to triage technical issues and
> drive resolution with cross functional teams
> * Strong decision-making skills, and an understanding of where projects fit
> into the overall architecture strategy
> * Ability to roll with changes in a dynamic work environment, shaping
> changes into opportunities. Proven performance record with demonstrated
> leadership skills
> * Excellent communication, negotiation and facilitation skills are required
> * Experience with Agile development methodology and distributed code
> repositories with GIT
>
> Benefits for You:
> * Work in a high-paced yet casual atmosphere
> * Join a team of highly talented and dedicated resources
> * Experience tremendous growth and help shape the organization
> * Work within a worldwide development team from North America, South
> America, Europe, Eastern Europe and India
> * Experience large projects with Fortune 500 customers
>
> Compensation and Hours:
> * Competitive base salary
> * Full benefits with retirement plan
>
> Full client and job details furnished to qualified applicants. To be
> considered, please submit your resume and salary requirements to
> dan at swift-staffing.com - Your information will be held in the strictest of
> confidence and will not be submitted anywhere without your consent.
>
>
>
> [JOB #2] Magento Developer - 100% Telecommute
>
> My client is a rapidly growing technology company looking for the best and
> brightest technology talent to support our software development and client
> portfolio. They are currently looking for a Magento Developer within the
> United States to join the team.
>
> They are looking for a 100% telecommute Magento Developer currently living
> in and authorized to work in the United States. This is a full time,
> salaried position paying $60,000 to $80,000 + benefits.
>
> Required Skills:
> * 3+ years of Magento Development (current experience)
> * 4+ years' experience with PHP in a LAMP based environment
> * Good understanding of Object Oriented principles and web application
> fundamentals
> * Experience with frameworks such as Zend Framework, Prototype(JS),
> JQuery(JS)
> * Knowledge with working on Relational Databases (MySQL)
> * Experience with Version Control Systems (SVN, GIT)
> * Experience in UNIX systems on a user level. Familiarity with Atlassian
> suite of products (Jira, Confluence)
> * Familiarity with Agile/Scrum
> * Proven ability to interact effectively with people in all levels of the
> organization (cross-functional, on/shore technical teams and executive
> management)
> * Experience with architecture design concepts and techniques and the
> ability to communicate and evangelize those concepts to a broad based team
> * Strong problem solving skills, ability to triage technical issues and
> drive resolution with cross functional teams
> * Strong decision-making skills, and an understanding of where projects fit
> into the overall architecture strategy
> * Ability to roll with changes in a dynamic work environment, shaping
> changes into opportunities. Proven performance record with demonstrated
> leadership skills
> * Excellent communication, negotiation and facilitation skills are required
> * Experience with Agile development methodology and distributed code
> repositories with GIT
>
> Benefits for You:
> * Work in a high-paced yet casual atmosphere
> * Join a team of highly talented and dedicated resources
> * Experience tremendous growth and help shape the organization
> * Work within a worldwide development team from North America, South
> America, Europe, Eastern Europe and India
> * Experience large projects with Fortune 500 customers
>
> Compensation and Hours:
> * Competitive base salary
> * Full benefits with retirement plan
>
> Full client and job details furnished to qualified applicants. To be
> considered, please submit your resume and salary requirements to
> dan at swift-staffing.com - Your information will be held in the strictest of
> confidence and will not be submitted anywhere without your consent.
>
> Thank you,
> Dan Swift
>
> http://swift-staffing.com
> dan at swift-staffing.com
>
> Swift Staffing has the lowest fees in the industry: Just 10% for full time
> hires and $10/hour for consultants. Looking to hire a rock star? Give us a
> shot. You'll be glad you did.
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From chrome at real-time.com  Thu Feb 19 14:55:44 2015
From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:55:44 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Removing TCLUG-jobs list
In-Reply-To: <20150219204534.GA799@real-time.com>
References: <20150219204534.GA799@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20150219205544.GB799@real-time.com>

On 02/19 03:45 , Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote:
> The TCLUG-Jobs list has been around for many years. However, the amount of
> legitimate traffic on it has been effectively nil for the past few years,
> and the amount of spam on it has increased to dozens of messages a day.
> Rather than keep spending time deleting junk messages for a mailing list
> which empirical evidence says no one uses anymore, we are going to delete
> this list.

Just to be clear, we're deleting the tclug-jobs list, not this regular TCLUG
list which I'm posting this on right now. :)

-- 
Carl Soderstrom
Systems Administrator
Real-Time Enterprises
www.real-time.com

From sethmiller.sm at gmail.com  Thu Feb 19 16:44:17 2015
From: sethmiller.sm at gmail.com (Seth Miller)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 16:44:17 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] [JOB] Linux AWS Sys Admin - 100% Telecommute
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502191449210.17837@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <02e701d04c81$e58bc920$b0a35b60$@com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502191449210.17837@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <CAEueRAWsRnM3yTmuQps-o-M1Uo+qFKkLkCTPY=UnD=a_T1f+4A@mail.gmail.com>

*"They are looking for a 100% telecommute Linux AWS Sys Admin"*

*"They are looking for a 100% telecommute Magento Developer"*





On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:

> Daniel,
>
> Where is this job located?
>
>
> On Thu, 19 Feb 2015, Daniel Swift wrote:
>
>  My client is a rapidly growing technology company looking for the best and
>> brightest technology talent to support our software development and client
>> portfolio. They are currently looking for a Systems Admin within the
>> United
>> States to join the team.
>>
>> They are looking for a 100% telecommute Linux AWS Sys Admin currently
>> living
>> in and authorized to work in the United States. This is a full time,
>> salaried position paying $60,000 to $80,000 + benefits.
>>
>> Required Skills:
>> * Build and configure large AWS environments, preferably with Magento
>> * 4+ years full-time (or significant experience) as a Linux systems
>> administrator
>> * Previous work in a high-availability, mission-critical environment
>> * Ability to work independently and take ownership of projects
>> * Knowledge of the inner-workings of MySQL, including optimization and
>> replication
>> * Automation experience with Puppet, Ruby, and/or Bash
>> * Load balancing and failover configuration
>> * AWS EC2, Cloud-Formation, IAM, VPC, AWS-CLI
>> * Nginx and Apache
>> * Varnish, Memcache, Redis
>> * Proven ability to interact effectively with people in all levels of the
>> organization (cross-functional, on/shore technical teams and executive
>> management)
>> * Strong problem solving skills, ability to triage technical issues and
>> drive resolution with cross functional teams
>> * Strong decision-making skills, and an understanding of where projects
>> fit
>> into the overall architecture strategy
>> * Ability to roll with changes in a dynamic work environment, shaping
>> changes into opportunities. Proven performance record with demonstrated
>> leadership skills
>> * Excellent communication, negotiation and facilitation skills are
>> required
>> * Experience with Agile development methodology and distributed code
>> repositories with GIT
>>
>> Benefits for You:
>> * Work in a high-paced yet casual atmosphere
>> * Join a team of highly talented and dedicated resources
>> * Experience tremendous growth and help shape the organization
>> * Work within a worldwide development team from North America, South
>> America, Europe, Eastern Europe and India
>> * Experience large projects with Fortune 500 customers
>>
>> Compensation and Hours:
>> * Competitive base salary
>> * Full benefits with retirement plan
>>
>> Full client and job details furnished to qualified applicants. To be
>> considered, please submit your resume and salary requirements to
>> dan at swift-staffing.com - Your information will be held in the strictest
>> of
>> confidence and will not be submitted anywhere without your consent.
>>
>>
>>
>> [JOB #2] Magento Developer - 100% Telecommute
>>
>> My client is a rapidly growing technology company looking for the best and
>> brightest technology talent to support our software development and client
>> portfolio. They are currently looking for a Magento Developer within the
>> United States to join the team.
>>
>> They are looking for a 100% telecommute Magento Developer currently living
>> in and authorized to work in the United States. This is a full time,
>> salaried position paying $60,000 to $80,000 + benefits.
>>
>> Required Skills:
>> * 3+ years of Magento Development (current experience)
>> * 4+ years' experience with PHP in a LAMP based environment
>> * Good understanding of Object Oriented principles and web application
>> fundamentals
>> * Experience with frameworks such as Zend Framework, Prototype(JS),
>> JQuery(JS)
>> * Knowledge with working on Relational Databases (MySQL)
>> * Experience with Version Control Systems (SVN, GIT)
>> * Experience in UNIX systems on a user level. Familiarity with Atlassian
>> suite of products (Jira, Confluence)
>> * Familiarity with Agile/Scrum
>> * Proven ability to interact effectively with people in all levels of the
>> organization (cross-functional, on/shore technical teams and executive
>> management)
>> * Experience with architecture design concepts and techniques and the
>> ability to communicate and evangelize those concepts to a broad based team
>> * Strong problem solving skills, ability to triage technical issues and
>> drive resolution with cross functional teams
>> * Strong decision-making skills, and an understanding of where projects
>> fit
>> into the overall architecture strategy
>> * Ability to roll with changes in a dynamic work environment, shaping
>> changes into opportunities. Proven performance record with demonstrated
>> leadership skills
>> * Excellent communication, negotiation and facilitation skills are
>> required
>> * Experience with Agile development methodology and distributed code
>> repositories with GIT
>>
>> Benefits for You:
>> * Work in a high-paced yet casual atmosphere
>> * Join a team of highly talented and dedicated resources
>> * Experience tremendous growth and help shape the organization
>> * Work within a worldwide development team from North America, South
>> America, Europe, Eastern Europe and India
>> * Experience large projects with Fortune 500 customers
>>
>> Compensation and Hours:
>> * Competitive base salary
>> * Full benefits with retirement plan
>>
>> Full client and job details furnished to qualified applicants. To be
>> considered, please submit your resume and salary requirements to
>> dan at swift-staffing.com - Your information will be held in the strictest
>> of
>> confidence and will not be submitted anywhere without your consent.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Dan Swift
>>
>> http://swift-staffing.com
>> dan at swift-staffing.com
>>
>> Swift Staffing has the lowest fees in the industry: Just 10% for full time
>> hires and $10/hour for consultants. Looking to hire a rock star? Give us a
>> shot. You'll be glad you did.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Thu Feb 19 17:18:10 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:18:10 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] [JOB] Linux AWS Sys Admin - 100% Telecommute
In-Reply-To: <CAEueRAWsRnM3yTmuQps-o-M1Uo+qFKkLkCTPY=UnD=a_T1f+4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <02e701d04c81$e58bc920$b0a35b60$@com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502191449210.17837@cockerel.yaron.org>
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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502191717230.18088@cockerel.yaron.org>


On Thu, 19 Feb 2015, Seth Miller wrote:

> "They are looking for a 100% telecommute Linux AWS Sys Admin"
> "They are looking for a 100% telecommute Magento Developer"


Uh, yeah, I was, you know, I replied to the list to see if the original 
poster was paying attention. Yeah, that's it.

/Clug Needs Caffeine...

From john.a.frisk at gmail.com  Fri Feb 20 08:36:47 2015
From: john.a.frisk at gmail.com (John Frisk)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 08:36:47 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound for February 2015
Message-ID: <CAAvSaRrpugLBJQBgv5JEh=OcLUE47M5ORQCfztXPTW1iJEpAhQ@mail.gmail.com>

Team,
We are continuing to reorganize on location and topics for discussion.  We
will not meet in February but stay tuned for March!  Thanks for your
patience and understanding!
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From sdalano at gmail.com  Fri Feb 20 08:57:11 2015
From: sdalano at gmail.com (Saul Alanis)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 08:57:11 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound for February 2015
In-Reply-To: <CAAvSaRrpugLBJQBgv5JEh=OcLUE47M5ORQCfztXPTW1iJEpAhQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAvSaRrpugLBJQBgv5JEh=OcLUE47M5ORQCfztXPTW1iJEpAhQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPHnHUthNq_W5WwKY-eDm9gk0ME8LHPCQdO8NkJty+qeKMde5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Good Morning-

I am willing to ask my employer if they are willing to donate space for
monthly meetings. The location is on the opposite side of town 494/35w.

I'd also like to suggest maybe renting a room at the Wellstone Center. I
hear they have free WiFi and parking. If we want to throw a party they also
have catering and they benefits go to a local benefit.

What are your thoughts?

SDA

http://www.wellstonecenter.com/
On Feb 20, 2015 8:37 AM, "John Frisk" <john.a.frisk at gmail.com> wrote:

> Team,
> We are continuing to reorganize on location and topics for discussion.  We
> will not meet in February but stay tuned for March!  Thanks for your
> patience and understanding!
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
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From lkateley at kateley.com  Fri Feb 20 09:08:31 2015
From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 09:08:31 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound for February 2015
In-Reply-To: <CAPHnHUthNq_W5WwKY-eDm9gk0ME8LHPCQdO8NkJty+qeKMde5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAvSaRrpugLBJQBgv5JEh=OcLUE47M5ORQCfztXPTW1iJEpAhQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <54E74DEF.2020108@kateley.com>

+1 for 494/35w .. that's right where i live :)

linda


On 2/20/15 8:57 AM, Saul Alanis wrote:
>
> Good Morning-
>
> I am willing to ask my employer if they are willing to donate space 
> for monthly meetings. The location is on the opposite side of town 
> 494/35w.
>
> I'd also like to suggest maybe renting a room at the Wellstone Center. 
> I hear they have free WiFi and parking. If we want to throw a party 
> they also have catering and they benefits go to a local benefit.
>
> What are your thoughts?
>
> SDA
>
> http://www.wellstonecenter.com/
>
> On Feb 20, 2015 8:37 AM, "John Frisk" <john.a.frisk at gmail.com 
> <mailto:john.a.frisk at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Team,
>     We are continuing to reorganize on location and topics for
>     discussion.  We will not meet in February but stay tuned for
>     March!  Thanks for your patience and understanding!
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>     tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>     http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

-- 
Linda Kateley
Kateley Company
Skype ID-kateleyco
http://kateleyco.com

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From admin at lctn.org  Fri Feb 20 10:26:31 2015
From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 10:26:31 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Theoretical Switch Port limit
Message-ID: <54E76037.90600@lctn.org>

I know what the specs say for throughput on an HP Procurve 2810, but 
does anyone know the true theoretical limit? I know our 5540 ASA is 
650Mb on 1 Gb ports. Getting Over and under runs and trying to determine 
the cause.


-- 
Raymond Norton
LCTN
952.955.7766


From cncole at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 20 10:53:32 2015
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 10:53:32 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound for February 2015
In-Reply-To: <54E74DEF.2020108@kateley.com>
References: <CAAvSaRrpugLBJQBgv5JEh=OcLUE47M5ORQCfztXPTW1iJEpAhQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <54E74DEF.2020108@kateley.com>
Message-ID: <5DD0BAC61E0D4B19836AFEA7DA10E177@d830a>

Libraries have good meeting spaces for rent, plus WiFi, etc.. 
These are free for non-profit groups, and have no political agendas..


  _____  

From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Linda Kateley
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 9:09 AM
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound for February 2015


+1 for 494/35w .. that's right where i live :)

linda



On 2/20/15 8:57 AM, Saul Alanis wrote:


Good Morning-

I am willing to ask my employer if they are willing to donate space for
monthly meetings. The location is on the opposite side of town 494/35w.

I'd also like to suggest maybe renting a room at the Wellstone Center. I
hear they have free WiFi and parking. If we want to throw a party they also
have catering and they benefits go to a local benefit.

What are your thoughts? 

SDA 

http://www.wellstonecenter.com/

On Feb 20, 2015 8:37 AM, "John Frisk" <john.a.frisk at gmail.com> wrote:


Team,

We are continuing to reorganize on location and topics for discussion.  We
will not meet in February but stay tuned for March!  Thanks for your
patience and understanding! 


_______________________________________________
TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list




 

_______________________________________________

TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


-- 

Linda Kateley

Kateley Company

Skype ID-kateleyco

http://kateleyco.com

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From sdalano at gmail.com  Fri Feb 20 11:19:52 2015
From: sdalano at gmail.com (Saul Alanis)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 11:19:52 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound for February 2015
In-Reply-To: <5DD0BAC61E0D4B19836AFEA7DA10E177@d830a>
References: <CAAvSaRrpugLBJQBgv5JEh=OcLUE47M5ORQCfztXPTW1iJEpAhQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Well since my suggestion carries a political agenda, I'm out.

The same thing could be said about libraries depending on people's extreme
view points.

Have a nice day.

SDA
On Feb 20, 2015 10:54 AM, "Chuck Cole" <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:

>  Libraries have good meeting spaces for rent, plus WiFi, etc..
> These are free for non-profit groups, and have no political agendas..
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:
> tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] *On Behalf Of *Linda Kateley
> *Sent:* Friday, February 20, 2015 9:09 AM
> *To:* tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> *Subject:* Re: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound for February 2015
>
> +1 for 494/35w .. that's right where i live :)
>
> linda
>
>
> On 2/20/15 8:57 AM, Saul Alanis wrote:
>
> Good Morning-
>
> I am willing to ask my employer if they are willing to donate space for
> monthly meetings. The location is on the opposite side of town 494/35w.
>
> I'd also like to suggest maybe renting a room at the Wellstone Center. I
> hear they have free WiFi and parking. If we want to throw a party they also
> have catering and they benefits go to a local benefit.
>
> What are your thoughts?
>
> SDA
>
> http://www.wellstonecenter.com/
> On Feb 20, 2015 8:37 AM, "John Frisk" <john.a.frisk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>  Team,
>> We are continuing to reorganize on location and topics for discussion.
>> We will not meet in February but stay tuned for March!  Thanks for your
>> patience and understanding!
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesotatclug-list at mn-linux.orghttp://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
> --
> Linda Kateley
> Kateley Company
> Skype ID-kateleycohttp://kateleyco.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Fri Feb 20 11:35:55 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 11:35:55 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound for February 2015
In-Reply-To: <CAPHnHUsTG=OJV7sqTq3wCJ6n7SECtSFuAivJkCeaiQFGZJEVQw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAvSaRrpugLBJQBgv5JEh=OcLUE47M5ORQCfztXPTW1iJEpAhQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Your suggested location or suggested meeting bulletin point?


> On Feb 20, 2015, at 11:19 AM, Saul Alanis <sdalano at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well since my suggestion carries a political agenda, I'm out.
> 
> The same thing could be said about libraries depending on people's extreme view points.
> 
> Have a nice day.
> 
> SDA
> 
> On Feb 20, 2015 10:54 AM, "Chuck Cole" <cncole at earthlink.net <mailto:cncole at earthlink.net>> wrote:
> Libraries have good meeting spaces for rent, plus WiFi, etc..
> These are free for non-profit groups, and have no political agendas..
> 
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org>] On Behalf Of Linda Kateley
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 9:09 AM
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound for February 2015
> 
> +1 for 494/35w .. that's right where i live :)
> 
> linda
> 
> 
> On 2/20/15 8:57 AM, Saul Alanis wrote:
>> Good Morning-
>> 
>> I am willing to ask my employer if they are willing to donate space for monthly meetings. The location is on the opposite side of town 494/35w.
>> 
>> I'd also like to suggest maybe renting a room at the Wellstone Center. I hear they have free WiFi and parking. If we want to throw a party they also have catering and they benefits go to a local benefit.
>> 
>> What are your thoughts?
>> 
>> SDA
>> 
>> http://www.wellstonecenter.com/ <http://www.wellstonecenter.com/>
>> On Feb 20, 2015 8:37 AM, "John Frisk" <john.a.frisk at gmail.com <mailto:john.a.frisk at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Team,
>> We are continuing to reorganize on location and topics for discussion.  We will not meet in February but stay tuned for March!  Thanks for your patience and understanding! 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
> 
> -- 
> Linda Kateley
> Kateley Company
> Skype ID-kateleyco
> http://kateleyco.com <http://kateleyco.com/>
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Fri Feb 20 11:37:58 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 11:37:58 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound for February 2015
In-Reply-To: <CAPHnHUsTG=OJV7sqTq3wCJ6n7SECtSFuAivJkCeaiQFGZJEVQw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAvSaRrpugLBJQBgv5JEh=OcLUE47M5ORQCfztXPTW1iJEpAhQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I think I see the confusion? the free status for the space is for NPOs without political agendas? I don?t think that Chuck was going after your suggestion of location.



> On Feb 20, 2015, at 11:19 AM, Saul Alanis <sdalano at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well since my suggestion carries a political agenda, I'm out.
> 
> The same thing could be said about libraries depending on people's extreme view points.
> 
> Have a nice day.
> 
> SDA
> 
> On Feb 20, 2015 10:54 AM, "Chuck Cole" <cncole at earthlink.net <mailto:cncole at earthlink.net>> wrote:
> Libraries have good meeting spaces for rent, plus WiFi, etc..
> These are free for non-profit groups, and have no political agendas..
> 
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org>] On Behalf Of Linda Kateley
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 9:09 AM
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound for February 2015
> 
> +1 for 494/35w .. that's right where i live :)
> 
> linda
> 
> 
> On 2/20/15 8:57 AM, Saul Alanis wrote:
>> Good Morning-
>> 
>> I am willing to ask my employer if they are willing to donate space for monthly meetings. The location is on the opposite side of town 494/35w.
>> 
>> I'd also like to suggest maybe renting a room at the Wellstone Center. I hear they have free WiFi and parking. If we want to throw a party they also have catering and they benefits go to a local benefit.
>> 
>> What are your thoughts?
>> 
>> SDA
>> 
>> http://www.wellstonecenter.com/ <http://www.wellstonecenter.com/>
>> On Feb 20, 2015 8:37 AM, "John Frisk" <john.a.frisk at gmail.com <mailto:john.a.frisk at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Team,
>> We are continuing to reorganize on location and topics for discussion.  We will not meet in February but stay tuned for March!  Thanks for your patience and understanding! 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
> 
> -- 
> Linda Kateley
> Kateley Company
> Skype ID-kateleyco
> http://kateleyco.com <http://kateleyco.com/>
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From lkateley at kateley.com  Fri Feb 20 11:54:20 2015
From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 11:54:20 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound for February 2015
In-Reply-To: <4A7F409B-53BC-425F-A3F8-1998E30B312C@cwis.biz>
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Who can be politically against libraries?

:)


linda


On 2/20/15 11:37 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> I think I see the confusion? the free status for the space is for NPOs 
> without political agendas? I don?t think that Chuck was going after 
> your suggestion of location.
>
>
>
>> On Feb 20, 2015, at 11:19 AM, Saul Alanis <sdalano at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:sdalano at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Well since my suggestion carries a political agenda, I'm out.
>>
>> The same thing could be said about libraries depending on people's 
>> extreme view points.
>>
>> Have a nice day.
>>
>> SDA
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2015 10:54 AM, "Chuck Cole" <cncole at earthlink.net 
>> <mailto:cncole at earthlink.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     Libraries have good meeting spaces for rent, plus WiFi, etc..
>>     These are free for non-profit groups, and have no political agendas..
>>
>>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>         *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
>>         <mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org>
>>         [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
>>         <mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org>] *On Behalf Of
>>         *Linda Kateley
>>         *Sent:* Friday, February 20, 2015 9:09 AM
>>         *To:* tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>>         *Subject:* Re: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound for February 2015
>>
>>         +1 for 494/35w .. that's right where i live :)
>>
>>         linda
>>
>>
>>         On 2/20/15 8:57 AM, Saul Alanis wrote:
>>>
>>>         Good Morning-
>>>
>>>         I am willing to ask my employer if they are willing to
>>>         donate space for monthly meetings. The location is on the
>>>         opposite side of town 494/35w.
>>>
>>>         I'd also like to suggest maybe renting a room at the
>>>         Wellstone Center. I hear they have free WiFi and parking. If
>>>         we want to throw a party they also have catering and they
>>>         benefits go to a local benefit.
>>>
>>>         What are your thoughts?
>>>
>>>         SDA
>>>
>>>         http://www.wellstonecenter.com/
>>>
>>>         On Feb 20, 2015 8:37 AM, "John Frisk"
>>>         <john.a.frisk at gmail.com <mailto:john.a.frisk at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             Team,
>>>             We are continuing to reorganize on location and topics
>>>             for discussion.  We will not meet in February but stay
>>>             tuned for March!  Thanks for your patience and
>>>             understanding!
>>>
>>>             _______________________________________________
>>>             TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>             tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>>>             http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         _______________________________________________
>>>         TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>         tclug-list at mn-linux.org  <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>>>         http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>         -- 
>>         Linda Kateley
>>         Kateley Company
>>         Skype ID-kateleyco
>>         http://kateleyco.com  <http://kateleyco.com/>
>>
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>     tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>>     http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Fri Feb 20 11:58:44 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 11:58:44 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound for February 2015
In-Reply-To: <54E774CC.9050903@kateley.com>
References: <CAAvSaRrpugLBJQBgv5JEh=OcLUE47M5ORQCfztXPTW1iJEpAhQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPHnHUthNq_W5WwKY-eDm9gk0ME8LHPCQdO8NkJty+qeKMde5Q@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2015, Linda Kateley wrote:

> Who can be politically against libraries?

I was going to go with a glib response, but sadly in the course of Human 
history there has been no shortage of people who were politically opposed 
to libraries, and the knowledge they hold.

Not long ago the United States government required that librarians provide 
data on the books patrons borrow. To me, that counts as being politically 
against libraries.


Ugh. Let me get some caffeine and I'll go right back to being weird and 
entertaining.

From lkateley at kateley.com  Fri Feb 20 12:02:59 2015
From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 12:02:59 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound for February 2015
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502201155530.19312@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <CAAvSaRrpugLBJQBgv5JEh=OcLUE47M5ORQCfztXPTW1iJEpAhQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPHnHUthNq_W5WwKY-eDm9gk0ME8LHPCQdO8NkJty+qeKMde5Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <54E776D3.5020403@kateley.com>

That just says to me people can be against anything.. Who hates puppies??

I am attempting to funny.. please noone take offense. Friday, end of a 
very long week..

linda

personally I haven't been in a library for like 10 years and have 
nothing against them..


On 2/20/15 11:58 AM, Clug wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Feb 2015, Linda Kateley wrote:
>
>> Who can be politically against libraries?
>
> I was going to go with a glib response, but sadly in the course of 
> Human history there has been no shortage of people who were 
> politically opposed to libraries, and the knowledge they hold.
>
> Not long ago the United States government required that librarians 
> provide data on the books patrons borrow. To me, that counts as being 
> politically against libraries.
>
>
> Ugh. Let me get some caffeine and I'll go right back to being weird 
> and entertaining.
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

-- 
Linda Kateley
Kateley Company
Skype ID-kateleyco
http://kateleyco.com


From tclug at freakzilla.com  Fri Feb 20 12:08:48 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 12:08:48 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound for February 2015
In-Reply-To: <54E776D3.5020403@kateley.com>
References: <CAAvSaRrpugLBJQBgv5JEh=OcLUE47M5ORQCfztXPTW1iJEpAhQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I hear you, and I was in ABSOLUTELY NO WAY offended, it just triggered my 
Fanatical Love for Libraries.

...which I also haven't been to in ages, but there were long periods of my 
life where I practically /lived/ in libraries. Not, you know, literally (;

But I do love and value them. I think they're terribly important and I 
hope we, as a society, are smart enough to keep them around.


Now, about these puppies you're offering...


On Fri, 20 Feb 2015, Linda Kateley wrote:

> That just says to me people can be against anything.. Who hates puppies??
>
> I am attempting to funny.. please noone take offense. Friday, end of a very 
> long week..
>
> linda
>
> personally I haven't been in a library for like 10 years and have nothing 
> against them..
>
>
> On 2/20/15 11:58 AM, Clug wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Feb 2015, Linda Kateley wrote:
>> 
>>> Who can be politically against libraries?
>> 
>> I was going to go with a glib response, but sadly in the course of Human 
>> history there has been no shortage of people who were politically opposed 
>> to libraries, and the knowledge they hold.
>> 
>> Not long ago the United States government required that librarians provide 
>> data on the books patrons borrow. To me, that counts as being politically 
>> against libraries.
>> 
>> 
>> Ugh. Let me get some caffeine and I'll go right back to being weird and 
>> entertaining.
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>

From o1bigtenor at gmail.com  Fri Feb 20 12:38:08 2015
From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 12:38:08 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound for February 2015
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502201205330.19312@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <CAAvSaRrpugLBJQBgv5JEh=OcLUE47M5ORQCfztXPTW1iJEpAhQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPHnHUthNq_W5WwKY-eDm9gk0ME8LHPCQdO8NkJty+qeKMde5Q@mail.gmail.com>
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 <54E776D3.5020403@kateley.com>
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Message-ID: <CAPpdf58_ydGnWuqpMyaU-TYOrnykSSjFWGtuVqt2nWphahZaAw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:

> I hear you, and I was in ABSOLUTELY NO WAY offended, it just triggered my
> Fanatical Love for Libraries.
>
> ...which I also haven't been to in ages, but there were long periods of my
> life where I practically /lived/ in libraries. Not, you know, literally (;
>
> But I do love and value them. I think they're terribly important and I
> hope we, as a society, are smart enough to keep them around.
>
>
> Now, about these puppies you're offering...
>
>
(tongue in cheek firmly!!)

They can taste quite good . . .          .

(veered 'umor off)

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From jus at krytosvirus.com  Fri Feb 20 12:38:27 2015
From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 12:38:27 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Theoretical Switch Port limit
Message-ID: <ehmxelt2c8hykuw3i2qs7t4j.1424457503535@email.android.com>

Never used hp switches but I know an often overlooked performance metric is pps (packets per second) as opposed to bps.?

Do you see and/or track pps on the hp??

<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Raymond Norton <admin at lctn.org> </div><div>Date:02/20/2015  10:26 AM  (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: TCLUG <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> </div><div>Subject: [tclug-list] Theoretical Switch Port limit </div><div>
</div>I know what the specs say for throughput on an HP Procurve 2810, but 
does anyone know the true theoretical limit? I know our 5540 ASA is 
650Mb on 1 Gb ports. Getting Over and under runs and trying to determine 
the cause.


-- 
Raymond Norton
LCTN
952.955.7766

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From mat at mthx.org  Fri Feb 20 13:35:32 2015
From: mat at mthx.org (Marc Thomas)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:35:32 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound for February 2015
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502201155530.19312@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502201155530.19312@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <1424460932.11920.0@smtp.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Feb 2015, Linda Kateley wrote:
> 
>> Who can be politically against libraries?
> 
> I was going to go with a glib response, but sadly in the course of 
> Human history there has been no shortage of people who were 
> politically opposed to libraries, and the knowledge they hold.

Am I the only one that when first read that, read it as g lib, rather 
than the word glib? <https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib>. I really need 
to get out of the techsphere more often.

> 
> 
> Not long ago the United States government required that librarians 
> provide data on the books patrons borrow. To me, that counts as being 
> politically against libraries.
> 
> 
> Ugh. Let me get some caffeine and I'll go right back to being weird 
> and entertaining.
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Fri Feb 20 13:36:52 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:36:52 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound for February 2015
In-Reply-To: <1424460932.11920.0@smtp.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502201155530.19312@cockerel.yaron.org>
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> On Feb 20, 2015, at 1:35 PM, Marc Thomas <mat at mthx.org> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Feb 2015, Linda Kateley wrote:
>> 
>> I was going to go with a glib response, but sadly in the course of Human history there has been no shortage of people who were politically opposed to libraries, and the knowledge they hold.
> 
> Am I the only one that when first read that, read it as g lib, rather than the word glib? <https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib <https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib>>. I really need to get out of the techsphere more often.


Maybe but I thought it was a shot at a pun the second time I read the message.

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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Fri Feb 20 13:38:33 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 13:38:33 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound for February 2015
In-Reply-To: <1424460932.11920.0@smtp.gmail.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502201155530.19312@cockerel.yaron.org>
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2015, Marc Thomas wrote:

> Am I the only one that when first read that, read it as g lib, rather than
> the word glib?

You CLEARLY don't post snarky/condescending responses to things often 
enough.

(I thought g-lib while I was typing it).

From lkateley at kateley.com  Fri Feb 20 14:01:15 2015
From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 14:01:15 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound for February 2015
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502201337360.19567@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502201155530.19312@cockerel.yaron.org>
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 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502201337360.19567@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <54E7928B.6020104@kateley.com>

Thanks for making me literally LOL

linda


On 2/20/15 1:38 PM, Clug wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Feb 2015, Marc Thomas wrote:
>
>> Am I the only one that when first read that, read it as g lib, rather 
>> than
>> the word glib?
>
> You CLEARLY don't post snarky/condescending responses to things often 
> enough.
>
> (I thought g-lib while I was typing it).
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

-- 
Linda Kateley
Kateley Company
Skype ID-kateleyco
http://kateleyco.com


From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com  Fri Feb 20 14:40:32 2015
From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 14:40:32 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Theoretical Switch Port limit
In-Reply-To: <ehmxelt2c8hykuw3i2qs7t4j.1424457503535@email.android.com>
References: <ehmxelt2c8hykuw3i2qs7t4j.1424457503535@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <54E79BC0.7000304@gmail.com>

On 2/20/2015 12:38 PM, Justin Krejci wrote:
> Never used hp switches but I know an often overlooked performance metric
> is pps (packets per second) as opposed to bps.
>
> Do you see and/or track pps on the hp?
>
>

I manage a lot of 2810's.  Here are the specs for a 48 port unit:


> -------- Original message --------
> From: Raymond Norton
> Date:02/20/2015 10:26 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: TCLUG
> Subject: [tclug-list] Theoretical Switch Port limit
>
> I know what the specs say for throughput on an HP Procurve 2810, but
> does anyone know the true theoretical limit? I know our 5540 ASA is
> 650Mb on 1 Gb ports. Getting Over and under runs and trying to determine
> the cause.
>
>
> --
> Raymond Norton
> LCTN
> 952.955.7766
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com  Fri Feb 20 14:41:17 2015
From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 14:41:17 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Theoretical Switch Port limit
In-Reply-To: <54E79BC0.7000304@gmail.com>
References: <ehmxelt2c8hykuw3i2qs7t4j.1424457503535@email.android.com>
 <54E79BC0.7000304@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54E79BED.4070409@gmail.com>

On 2/20/2015 2:40 PM, B-o-B De Mars wrote:
> On 2/20/2015 12:38 PM, Justin Krejci wrote:
>> Never used hp switches but I know an often overlooked performance metric
>> is pps (packets per second) as opposed to bps.
>>
>> Do you see and/or track pps on the hp?
>>
>>
>
> I manage a lot of 2810's.  Here are the specs for a 48 port unit:
>
Performance Latency < 5.6 ?s (FIFO 64-byte packets)
Throughput up to 35.7 million pps
Switching capcity 48 Gbps
MAC address table size 8000 entries

I doubt it's the switch causing the issue

>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Raymond Norton
>> Date:02/20/2015 10:26 AM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: TCLUG
>> Subject: [tclug-list] Theoretical Switch Port limit
>>
>> I know what the specs say for throughput on an HP Procurve 2810, but
>> does anyone know the true theoretical limit? I know our 5540 ASA is
>> 650Mb on 1 Gb ports. Getting Over and under runs and trying to determine
>> the cause.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Raymond Norton
>> LCTN
>> 952.955.7766
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>


From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Mon Feb 23 04:30:12 2015
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 04:30:12 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] bursting my box
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9D7yFVrBRCxz1SPTAqG_78OuXWyUAbdZW_rFDN5ceZX+w@mail.gmail.com>

On Mar 9, 2013 3:55 PM, "Jeremy MountainJohnson" wrote:
> You actually still use twm? You should try a more lightweight distro
> that has better support for it. Still works in Arch Linux.

distro/de/wm hopping is not what floats my boat, tho i have been warming to
notions like helpful forums, and things working more often.  and twm does
let me down a tad, afterall, eg no drag&drop.  so..  archbang?  bodhi?
crunchbang?  hmm..

not thrilled to embark on a personal quest for forgotten features, perhaps
i might rather gather some clues from you lot, perhaps you can help me take
a peek at the larger world.

what WMs do you know, that can actually behave such that an arriving popup
does not steal the focus?

if there's actually a WM or two out there that can behave that way, well,
here's my list of desirable features, approximately in order of
desirability:

arriving popups do not misdirect ongoing typing
lightweight
window icons may be placed anywhere
titlebars not full width
drag&drop
zooms, left,right,full,top,bottom
no superflous annoying taskbar
focus follows mouse
configurable keystrokes and mouseclicks
titlebar buttons optional

super if you can point me to relevant feature documentation, nice even to
hear which of these features you think exist on a certain wm.  tia!
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From brian at ropers-huilman.net  Mon Feb 23 09:18:38 2015
From: brian at ropers-huilman.net (Brian D. Ropers-Huilman)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 09:18:38 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] bursting my box
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9D7yFVrBRCxz1SPTAqG_78OuXWyUAbdZW_rFDN5ceZX+w@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:30 AM, gregrwm <tclug1 at whitleymott.net> wrote:

> if there's actually a WM or two out there that can behave that way, well,
> here's my list of desirable features, approximately in order of
> desirability:


How about fvwm2? I have to admit I haven't run it now for (too) many years,
but it was main sole desktop interface on my main computer at work from
1997-~2010. Very lightweight, very configurable, and I'm pretty sure it
does everything you listed, though I'm not sure on window pop-up focus.

-- 
Brian D. Ropers-Huilman
612.234.7778 (m)
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From jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com  Mon Feb 23 17:02:47 2015
From: jeremy.mountainjohnson at gmail.com (Jeremy MountainJohnson)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 17:02:47 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] bursting my box
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9D7yFVrBRCxz1SPTAqG_78OuXWyUAbdZW_rFDN5ceZX+w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CACEdYO1rTnHke71qFmmpN7tAf1kTG0Uy7ngA01M2RQ50MJ1vyA@mail.gmail.com>

Wow, that discussion is older, I don't remember much about it.

I've been using xfce4 consistently for awhile, which actually should
do just about everything you're asking (easily 90% of it). Although,
with the minimalist approach, you would be better off with fvwm2, as
Brian is suggesting. I'm confident that would also be similar to
meeting your demands like xfce4.

Really it comes down to how much time you would like to spend
configuring this. Xfce gives you options with gui and config files,
whereas fvwm2 is going to need a lot of work with config files and
limited gui configuration.

Arch based distros have access to fvwm2 and xfce4 in the main Arch repo:
pacman -S fvwm
The above command will grab fvwm2. Take a look here, several links to
guides in addition to getting it running with an Arch based distro on
the well maintained wiki: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/FVWM

--
Jeremy MountainJohnson
Jeremy.MountainJohnson at gmail.com


On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:30 AM, gregrwm <tclug1 at whitleymott.net> wrote:
> On Mar 9, 2013 3:55 PM, "Jeremy MountainJohnson" wrote:
>> You actually still use twm? You should try a more lightweight distro
>> that has better support for it. Still works in Arch Linux.
>
> distro/de/wm hopping is not what floats my boat, tho i have been warming to
> notions like helpful forums, and things working more often.  and twm does
> let me down a tad, afterall, eg no drag&drop.  so..  archbang?  bodhi?
> crunchbang?  hmm..
>
> not thrilled to embark on a personal quest for forgotten features, perhaps i
> might rather gather some clues from you lot, perhaps you can help me take a
> peek at the larger world.
>
> what WMs do you know, that can actually behave such that an arriving popup
> does not steal the focus?
>
> if there's actually a WM or two out there that can behave that way, well,
> here's my list of desirable features, approximately in order of
> desirability:
>
> arriving popups do not misdirect ongoing typing
> lightweight
> window icons may be placed anywhere
> titlebars not full width
> drag&drop
> zooms, left,right,full,top,bottom
> no superflous annoying taskbar
> focus follows mouse
> configurable keystrokes and mouseclicks
> titlebar buttons optional
>
> super if you can point me to relevant feature documentation, nice even to
> hear which of these features you think exist on a certain wm.  tia!
>
>
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From jima at beer.tclug.org  Mon Feb 23 18:15:14 2015
From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 17:15:14 -0700
Subject: [tclug-list] Theoretical Switch Port limit
In-Reply-To: <54E76037.90600@lctn.org>
References: <54E76037.90600@lctn.org>
Message-ID: <54EBC292.5080805@beer.tclug.org>

On 2015-02-20 09:26, Raymond Norton wrote:
> I know what the specs say for throughput on an HP Procurve 2810, but
> does anyone know the true theoretical limit? I know our 5540 ASA is
> 650Mb on 1 Gb ports. Getting Over and under runs and trying to determine
> the cause.

  As others have suggested, the switch is not likely to be the 
bottleneck here -- unless it has (and you're using) any Layer 3 
functionality, maybe.

  Also, that 650Mbps is only with the SSM-40; if you have the SSM-20, 
it's rated for 500Mbps.

  How's the CPU load (e.g., `show cpu`) sitting on the ASA?  I know 
things get ugly on the 5520 when the CPU gets up to maybe 60% (which 
happens pretty easily when someone leaves a capture running) -- my 
kneejerk reaction is to check that if you're having problems.

  Clearly this is still on-topic, as the ASA runs Linux under-the-hood. ;-)

      Jima

From mattwj2002 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 23 22:24:54 2015
From: mattwj2002 at gmail.com (Matthew Junk)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 22:24:54 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Theoretical Switch Port limit
In-Reply-To: <54EBC292.5080805@beer.tclug.org>
References: <54E76037.90600@lctn.org> <54EBC292.5080805@beer.tclug.org>
Message-ID: <54EBFD16.2080002@gmail.com>

Guys,

It is possible to push full line rate 1 Gbps or 10 Gbps traffic 
throughput through either a 1 Gbps or a 10 Gbps port.

An example of hardware capable of generating this type of traffic is a 
pair of Fluke OptiView? XG.

http://www.flukenetworks.com/enterprise-network/network-monitoring/optiview-xg-network-analysis-tablet

The fastest solutions for transporting traffic that I have heard of for 
a single port is 100 Gbps though it contains multiple fibers.

Please reference Cisco.com link below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7Q7hCAVv3k

I am sure there is something much faster in development somewhere.

As far as general performance ratings, for Cisco anyways, please 
reference the following tables:

http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/765/tools/quickreference/routerperformance.pdf

http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/765/tools/quickreference/switchperformance.pdf

I hope this is a helpful addition to this discussion.

Thanks,

Matt




On 2/23/2015 6:15 PM, Jima wrote:
> On 2015-02-20 09:26, Raymond Norton wrote:
>> I know what the specs say for throughput on an HP Procurve 2810, but
>> does anyone know the true theoretical limit? I know our 5540 ASA is
>> 650Mb on 1 Gb ports. Getting Over and under runs and trying to determine
>> the cause.
>
>  As others have suggested, the switch is not likely to be the 
> bottleneck here -- unless it has (and you're using) any Layer 3 
> functionality, maybe.
>
>  Also, that 650Mbps is only with the SSM-40; if you have the SSM-20, 
> it's rated for 500Mbps.
>
>  How's the CPU load (e.g., `show cpu`) sitting on the ASA?  I know 
> things get ugly on the 5520 when the CPU gets up to maybe 60% (which 
> happens pretty easily when someone leaves a capture running) -- my 
> kneejerk reaction is to check that if you're having problems.
>
>  Clearly this is still on-topic, as the ASA runs Linux under-the-hood. 
> ;-)
>
>      Jima
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From pj.world at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 24 05:37:45 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 05:37:45 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Am I able to ask a question again?
Message-ID: <BAY168-W75A2ECF2911F3891164C3699160@phx.gbl>

Thank you for your time I apologize about the ' mark I wanted the mark to be fun because it was not a quote.
 		 	   		  
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 24 05:50:07 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 05:50:07 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Ryan Coleman gobble gobble:
Message-ID: <BAY168-W19BF12D45F31FBC1109BCB99160@phx.gbl>

Are you still out there? You must be sleeping. 


 		 	   		  
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Tue Feb 24 07:39:58 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 08:39:58 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Ryan Coleman gobble gobble:
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W19BF12D45F31FBC1109BCB99160@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W19BF12D45F31FBC1109BCB99160@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CCB50685-ECA9-4B7B-A824-E7365BAD3D91@cwis.biz>

Stop. You said you were leaving the list. 


> On Feb 24, 2015, at 06:50, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Are you still out there? You must be sleeping. 
> 
> 
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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Tue Feb 24 07:53:39 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 07:53:39 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Ryan Coleman gobble gobble:
In-Reply-To: <CCB50685-ECA9-4B7B-A824-E7365BAD3D91@cwis.biz>
References: <BAY168-W19BF12D45F31FBC1109BCB99160@phx.gbl>
 <CCB50685-ECA9-4B7B-A824-E7365BAD3D91@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <CAJt84+N_qo7mz+0MVYoH8DnRJRCN1tuYwRdpYDt5kV8fe8cWqQ@mail.gmail.com>

Paul G,

If you have a question, please just post it to the list. Any member of the
list is free to decide if they have a response or comment to make regarding
it. Most of the people on this list have experience with many topics and
are able to chime in with assistance if they wish.

Jeff

On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 7:39 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:

> Stop. You said you were leaving the list.
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2015, at 06:50, paul g <pj.world at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Are you still out there? You must be sleeping.
>
>
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Tue Feb 24 11:50:24 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 11:50:24 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Am I able to ask a question again?
In-Reply-To: <BAY168-W75A2ECF2911F3891164C3699160@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY168-W75A2ECF2911F3891164C3699160@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502241149550.5983@cockerel.yaron.org>

Paul,

You are not allowed to post to the list anymore.

From pj.world at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 24 13:56:21 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 13:56:21 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Am I able to ask a question again?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502241149550.5983@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <BAY168-W75A2ECF2911F3891164C3699160@phx.gbl>,
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1502241149550.5983@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <BAY168-W17DD8A54131D5BA955B04F99160@phx.gbl>

Fair enough.

> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 11:50:24 -0600
> From: tclug at freakzilla.com
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Am I able to ask a question again?
> 
> Paul,
> 
> You are not allowed to post to the list anymore.
> _______________________________________________
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