From droidjd at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 15:38:34 2015
From: droidjd at gmail.com (Andrew Dahl)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 20:38:34 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Acer laptop for sale
In-Reply-To: <A5C54EE7-1FAF-4703-A421-CD948A0B52A6@cwis.biz>
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Comparable specs for $200:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Sleekbook-14-Intel-Core-i3-2375M-1-5-GHz-8-GB-500-GB-Win-7-Pro-HD-WebCam-/271915385979?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f4f6b847b

So, yeah, I would say the laptop you're trying to sell would definitely be
in the range Ryan suggested.  I would think $180 would be appropriate.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 2:53 PM Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:

> Brian,
>
> I guess you don?t get what I am saying - your laptop is used, this is new.
> Unless you are going to provide something to support asking for 90% of new
> you should be asking for at least 25% below NIB. Even under best conditions
> - because the computer is not new, the components in it have taken loads
> and abuse (if even extremely light).
>
> Technology depreciates VERY quickly. If I asked for 90% of asking price
> after a few years my Galaxy S4 phone would be worth $460. It?s not. It?s
> worth about $150.
>
> An appropriate price for this computer might be $175-$200 OBO.
>
> On Jun 30, 2015, at 2:24 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ryan Coleman writes:
>
> > Brian,
> >
> > Just my two bits? but might I suggest that when you price your items for
> sale you > compare not to unsold auctions but sold ones?
> > 2 NIB versions of this laptop have sold for $260. Now I know nothing
> about the
> > laptop but I?d take a new in box one for $20 more, if I were to be
> interested in
> > buying it.
> >
> >
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=X483-6691&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc
> <http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=X483-6691&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc>
> <
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=X483-6691&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc
> >
> >
>
> I'll reduce it to $230 or best offer.
>
> --
> Brian
> Ebenezer Enterprises
> http://webEbenezer.net <http://webebenezer.net/>
>
>
>
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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 09:56:35 2015
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 09:56:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Server motherboards with an m.2 slot
Message-ID: <CABWFOjsE8VjQOiYuqqiPApLwCj7Q_Ag4c4dBmVFx2RUBZax62Q@mail.gmail.com>

In February Clug wrote:

> Server-grade boards tend not to incorporate new tech as fast as
> desktop-grade.

I found one now that looks interesting

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157562&cm_re=server_motherboards_m.2-_-13-157-562-_-Product

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-I3-4160-Processor-Hyper-Threading-BX80646I34160/dp/B00LV8U0VE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1436116265&sr=8-1&keywords=i3+4160

Does this look like the right memory for the above?

http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-PC3-12800-Unbuffered-240-Pin-CT102472BA160B/dp/B006YG8ZNI/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1436133691&sr=1-3&keywords=unbuffered+ecc

Thanks in advance.

-- 
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - "I can do all things through Messiah (Christ)
who strengthens me."  Philippians 4:13

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From justin.kremer at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 10:19:11 2015
From: justin.kremer at gmail.com (Justin Kremer)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 15:19:11 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Server motherboards with an m.2 slot
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On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 9:56 AM Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I found one now that looks interesting
>
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157562&cm_re=server_motherboards_m.2-_-13-157-562-_-Product
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Intel-I3-4160-Processor-Hyper-Threading-BX80646I34160/dp/B00LV8U0VE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1436116265&sr=8-1&keywords=i3+4160
>
> Does this look like the right memory for the above?
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-PC3-12800-Unbuffered-240-Pin-CT102472BA160B/dp/B006YG8ZNI/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1436133691&sr=1-3&keywords=unbuffered+ecc
>
>
Probably not.  The specs on that server board do not specify ECC, and the
memory is ECC.
You can google around for some more specific info on the subject, but
generally, if a newer motherboard doesn't support ECC RAM, it won't work at
all, unlike the "good old days" (pre-DDR) when it just didn't function as
ECC.
You're probably better off going for a non-ECC version of the memory, or
continuing your search for a board, if ECC is a deal-breaker for you.
- Justin
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Mon Jul  6 11:28:14 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 11:28:14 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Server motherboards with an m.2 slot
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> On Jul 6, 2015, at 10:19 AM, Justin Kremer <justin.kremer at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 9:56 AM Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com <mailto:woodbrian77 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> I found one now that looks interesting
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157562&cm_re=server_motherboards_m.2-_-13-157-562-_-Product <http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157562&cm_re=server_motherboards_m.2-_-13-157-562-_-Product>
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/Intel-I3-4160-Processor-Hyper-Threading-BX80646I34160/dp/B00LV8U0VE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1436116265&sr=8-1&keywords=i3+4160 <http://www.amazon.com/Intel-I3-4160-Processor-Hyper-Threading-BX80646I34160/dp/B00LV8U0VE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1436116265&sr=8-1&keywords=i3+4160>
> 
> Does this look like the right memory for the above?
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-PC3-12800-Unbuffered-240-Pin-CT102472BA160B/dp/B006YG8ZNI/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1436133691&sr=1-3&keywords=unbuffered+ecc <http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-PC3-12800-Unbuffered-240-Pin-CT102472BA160B/dp/B006YG8ZNI/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1436133691&sr=1-3&keywords=unbuffered+ecc>
> 
> Probably not.  The specs on that server board do not specify ECC, and the memory is ECC.  
> You can google around for some more specific info on the subject, but generally, if a newer motherboard doesn't support ECC RAM, it won't work at all, unlike the "good old days" (pre-DDR) when it just didn't function as ECC.  
> You're probably better off going for a non-ECC version of the memory, or continuing your search for a board, if ECC is a deal-breaker for you. 
> - Justin

Agreed. Also, Brian, if you use the NewEgg function for packaging pieces together you might see that they will often show you compatible RAM under bundling.

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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Mon Jul  6 11:36:45 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 11:36:45 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [FS] SuperMicro dual CPU Motherboard
Message-ID: <A7C6BC35-952E-46F3-9D1A-6851046CBFF3@cwis.biz>

I have SuperMicro X9DR3-F motherboard (manu page <http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C600/X9DR3-F.cfm>) that was a warranty replacement from NewEgg that had to be sent through SuperMicro in 2013.

The board has never been used, is still in the static bag and in the original, albeit embarrassing, inverted box from SuperMicro.

This board, brand new, is selling right now on NewEgg for $430, Amazon for the same, and I?m asking $350 OBO.

Some things to note:
	1) it requires a SuperMicro CPU cooler 
	2) it is not a standard size (E-ATX or EEB ? 12?x13?)

But it does come with SuperMicro?s version of iDRAC (IPMI), dual GigE, supports up to 512GB RAM. I like the other one I have which is running my production VM server right now. 

	? CPU: Dual LGA2011; Supports Intel Xeon E5-2600 series Processors; QPI up to 8 GT/s
	? Chipset: Intel C606 chipset
	? Memory: 16x 240pin DDR3-1600/1333/1066/800 DIMM Slots, Supports up to 512GB ECC/REG Memory or up to 128GB ECC/Unbuffered Memory
	? Slots: 3x PCI-Express 3.0 x16 Slots; 3x PCI-Express 3.0?x8 Slots
	? SATA: 4x SATA2 Ports, 2x SATA3 Ports, Support RAID 0, 1, 5, 10
	? Ports: 11x USB 2.0 Ports (4 rear, 6?via headers, 1 Type A); 1x VGA Port; 2x Serial Ports (1 rear, 1?via header); 2x RJ45 LAN Ports; 1x RJ45 Dedicated IPMI LAN Port
	? LAN: Intel i350 Dual Port Gigabit Ethernet Controller; 1x Realtek RTL8201N PHY (dedicated IPMI)

Questions and comments please send off-list. Thanks!

?
Ryan Coleman
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From lkateley at kateley.com  Mon Jul  6 11:35:15 2015
From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 11:35:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Server motherboards with an m.2 slot
In-Reply-To: <CAC3D_tjskfWp-UV2-2s0ivfrJOF3zRNWArZNtCVrhRsJ+w4aOw@mail.gmail.com>
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And if you plan on running zfs, ecc should be a deal breaker.

The freenas community has asrock board and hardware recommendations.

linda

On 7/6/15 10:19 AM, Justin Kremer wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 9:56 AM Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:woodbrian77 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I found one now that looks interesting
>
>     http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157562&cm_re=server_motherboards_m.2-_-13-157-562-_-Product
>
>     http://www.amazon.com/Intel-I3-4160-Processor-Hyper-Threading-BX80646I34160/dp/B00LV8U0VE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1436116265&sr=8-1&keywords=i3+4160
>
>     Does this look like the right memory for the above?
>
>     http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-PC3-12800-Unbuffered-240-Pin-CT102472BA160B/dp/B006YG8ZNI/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1436133691&sr=1-3&keywords=unbuffered+ecc
>
>
> Probably not.  The specs on that server board do not specify ECC, and 
> the memory is ECC.
> You can google around for some more specific info on the subject, but 
> generally, if a newer motherboard doesn't support ECC RAM, it won't 
> work at all, unlike the "good old days" (pre-DDR) when it just didn't 
> function as ECC.
> You're probably better off going for a non-ECC version of the memory, 
> or continuing your search for a board, if ECC is a deal-breaker for you.
> - Justin
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

-- 
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Kateley Company
Skype ID-kateleyco
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Mon Jul  6 12:04:37 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 12:04:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Server motherboards with an m.2 slot
In-Reply-To: <559AAE43.3050900@kateley.com>
References: <CABWFOjsE8VjQOiYuqqiPApLwCj7Q_Ag4c4dBmVFx2RUBZax62Q@mail.gmail.com>
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I?m not running ZFS. I?m not running FreeNAS.

?
Ryan


> On Jul 6, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Linda Kateley <lkateley at kateley.com> wrote:
> 
> And if you plan on running zfs, ecc should be a deal breaker.
> 
> The freenas community has asrock board and hardware recommendations.
> 
> linda
> 
> On 7/6/15 10:19 AM, Justin Kremer wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 9:56 AM Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com <mailto:woodbrian77 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> I found one now that looks interesting
>> 
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157562&cm_re=server_motherboards_m.2-_-13-157-562-_-Product <http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157562&cm_re=server_motherboards_m.2-_-13-157-562-_-Product>
>> 
>> http://www.amazon.com/Intel-I3-4160-Processor-Hyper-Threading-BX80646I34160/dp/B00LV8U0VE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1436116265&sr=8-1&keywords=i3+4160 <http://www.amazon.com/Intel-I3-4160-Processor-Hyper-Threading-BX80646I34160/dp/B00LV8U0VE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1436116265&sr=8-1&keywords=i3+4160>
>> 
>> Does this look like the right memory for the above?
>> 
>> http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-PC3-12800-Unbuffered-240-Pin-CT102472BA160B/dp/B006YG8ZNI/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1436133691&sr=1-3&keywords=unbuffered+ecc <http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-PC3-12800-Unbuffered-240-Pin-CT102472BA160B/dp/B006YG8ZNI/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1436133691&sr=1-3&keywords=unbuffered+ecc>
>> 
>> Probably not.  The specs on that server board do not specify ECC, and the memory is ECC.  
>> You can google around for some more specific info on the subject, but generally, if a newer motherboard doesn't support ECC RAM, it won't work at all, unlike the "good old days" (pre-DDR) when it just didn't function as ECC.  
>> You're probably better off going for a non-ECC version of the memory, or continuing your search for a board, if ECC is a deal-breaker for you. 
>> - Justin
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
> 
> -- 
> Linda Kateley
> Kateley Company
> Skype ID-kateleyco
> http://kateleyco.com <http://kateleyco.com/>
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Mon Jul  6 12:08:25 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 12:08:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Server motherboards with an m.2 slot
In-Reply-To: <4BEBD714-186E-4C27-B36B-9011960E4191@cwis.biz>
References: <CABWFOjsE8VjQOiYuqqiPApLwCj7Q_Ag4c4dBmVFx2RUBZax62Q@mail.gmail.com>
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I totally crossed wires? SORRY! Ignore my email! 

I?m going to go back to work now? :)


> On Jul 6, 2015, at 12:04 PM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
> 
> I?m not running ZFS. I?m not running FreeNAS.
> 
> ?
> Ryan
> 
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Linda Kateley <lkateley at kateley.com <mailto:lkateley at kateley.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> And if you plan on running zfs, ecc should be a deal breaker.
>> 
>> The freenas community has asrock board and hardware recommendations.
>> 
>> linda
>> 
>> On 7/6/15 10:19 AM, Justin Kremer wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 9:56 AM Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com <mailto:woodbrian77 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> I found one now that looks interesting
>>> 
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157562&cm_re=server_motherboards_m.2-_-13-157-562-_-Product <http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157562&cm_re=server_motherboards_m.2-_-13-157-562-_-Product>
>>> 
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Intel-I3-4160-Processor-Hyper-Threading-BX80646I34160/dp/B00LV8U0VE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1436116265&sr=8-1&keywords=i3+4160 <http://www.amazon.com/Intel-I3-4160-Processor-Hyper-Threading-BX80646I34160/dp/B00LV8U0VE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1436116265&sr=8-1&keywords=i3+4160>
>>> 
>>> Does this look like the right memory for the above?
>>> 
>>> http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-PC3-12800-Unbuffered-240-Pin-CT102472BA160B/dp/B006YG8ZNI/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1436133691&sr=1-3&keywords=unbuffered+ecc <http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-PC3-12800-Unbuffered-240-Pin-CT102472BA160B/dp/B006YG8ZNI/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1436133691&sr=1-3&keywords=unbuffered+ecc>
>>> 
>>> Probably not.  The specs on that server board do not specify ECC, and the memory is ECC.  
>>> You can google around for some more specific info on the subject, but generally, if a newer motherboard doesn't support ECC RAM, it won't work at all, unlike the "good old days" (pre-DDR) when it just didn't function as ECC.  
>>> You're probably better off going for a non-ECC version of the memory, or continuing your search for a board, if ECC is a deal-breaker for you. 
>>> - Justin
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>> 
>> -- 
>> Linda Kateley
>> Kateley Company
>> Skype ID-kateleyco
>> http://kateleyco.com <http://kateleyco.com/>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Mon Jul  6 12:10:04 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 12:10:04 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Server motherboards with an m.2 slot
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 <559AAE43.3050900@kateley.com>
 <4BEBD714-186E-4C27-B36B-9011960E4191@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1507061209360.29167@cockerel.yaron.org>

On Mon, 6 Jul 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:

> I?m not running ZFS. I?m not running FreeNAS.

You should be.

You SHOULD be.

--

From kurtis at riseup.net  Tue Jul  7 00:16:51 2015
From: kurtis at riseup.net (Kurtis Hanna)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 05:16:51 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Fwd: [CryptoPartyMN] Meeting Tomorrow
Message-ID: <20150707051651.41d6fc53@riseup.net>

Hello lists,

I thought you guys might be interested in this meeting tomorrow. Hope
to see you there!

Cordially,
Kurtis

Begin forwarded message:

Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 22:18:28 -0500
From: Christopher Burg <christopherburg at christopherburg.com>
To: cryptopartymn at lists.riseup.net
Subject: [CryptoPartyMN] Meeting Tomorrow


Hello denizens of the CryptoPartyMN mailing list,

We?ve been pretty bad at sending out meeting notifications to you. I?m
going to work on fixing that. But I will also point out that meetings
will be posted on our website now so you can see them here:

https://www.cryptopartymn.com/

Tomorrow?s meeting, which starts a 6:30, will be held at The Wedge
Table (not to be mistaken with The Wedge). The site has a link to the
place on Google Maps. At first this meeting was planned to be mostly
focused on organizing our next CryptoParty but I?m planning on brining
something more fun for your entertainment.

By now many of you have probably heard about the Hacking Team breach,
For those who haven?t, Hacking Team is a company that sells
surveillance malware to tyrannical regimes such as Sudan, Ethiopia, and
the Drug Enforcement Agency. Their internal network was breached and
400GB of data was released to the Internet including exploitation code.
I?m collecting a sort of ?best of? list from the data. At tomorrow?s
meeting I will be discussing the need for good security by showing the
very bad security practices done at Hacking Team (I?m not even joking,
there were login credentials stored in plain text files and the
credentials used terrible passwords to boot).

So join us for some planning, some laughs, and some serious discussion
on why terrible security can no longer be accepted.
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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 09:51:48 2015
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 09:51:48 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Server motherboards with an m.2 slot
Message-ID: <CABWFOju112Rfp_AQg6s+d2o20fWm92HuhUhEwXR3ousrCVC3bA@mail.gmail.com>

Justin Kremer writes:

> Probably not.  The specs on that server board do not specify ECC, and the
> memory is ECC.
> You can google around for some more specific info on the subject, but
> generally, if a newer motherboard doesn't support ECC RAM, it won't work
at
> all, unlike the "good old days" (pre-DDR) when it just didn't function as
ECC.
> You're probably better off going for a non-ECC version of the memory, or
> continuing your search for a board, if ECC is a deal-breaker for you.

OK thanks.  I'd hoped that "server motherboard" meant it would take
ecc, but I think you are right. I have a new config:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157561

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Core-Processor-3-8-BX80646I34370/dp/B00LV8TZLU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1436363499&sr=8-1&keywords=i3+4370

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0B1-00KT-00023&cm_re=unbuffered_ecc-_-0B1-00KT-00023-_-Product

I've been wondering if this power converter would work:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151099&cm_re=seasonic_platinum-_-17-151-099-_-Product

I'm getting a micro atx case with 2 fans so hope it fits in that and
is strong enough.  I may add a spinning disk, but at first will just
have an ssd.

I found the motherboard first on Amazon and was having trouble
finding it directly on newegg. I had kind of given up on finding it,
but then I used https://duckduckgo.com and it found it on newegg.
It was over $20 cheaper on newegg than amazon so I was happy
that I'd not given up after that.

-- 
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - "And now let the weak say, 'I am strong'
Let the poor say, 'I am rich because of what the L-rd has done for us.'"
http://webEbenezer.net
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Wed Jul  8 14:55:30 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 14:55:30 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Anyone with SpamAssassin experience?
Message-ID: <AACEBB67-CEA4-4630-A906-2383C293A2B1@cwis.biz>

I have SpamAssassin running with Postfix and a cron command that is supposedly running and recording the contents of spam folders (which are populated by hand with that which is missed by the filter) but in my headers it is still recording that Autolearn is turned off (which I have turned on in the configuration).

But the same emails keep making it through.

This is running on Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS and is running the most current of each related package. 

Any thoughts and help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Ryan

From tclug at freakzilla.com  Wed Jul  8 15:01:26 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 15:01:26 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Anyone with SpamAssassin experience?
In-Reply-To: <AACEBB67-CEA4-4630-A906-2383C293A2B1@cwis.biz>
References: <AACEBB67-CEA4-4630-A906-2383C293A2B1@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1507081500430.3014@cockerel.yaron.org>

I've had SpamAssassin running for years, and I get maybe 1 or two spam 
messages make it through in a week, usually.

But the last week or so it's been a bit insane. I think the spammers are 
getting better...

On Wed, 8 Jul 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:

> I have SpamAssassin running with Postfix and a cron command that is supposedly running and recording the contents of spam folders (which are populated by hand with that which is missed by the filter) but in my headers it is still recording that Autolearn is turned off (which I have turned on in the configuration).
>
> But the same emails keep making it through.
>
> This is running on Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS and is running the most current of each related package.
>
> Any thoughts and help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Ryan
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Wed Jul  8 15:06:59 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 15:06:59 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Anyone with SpamAssassin experience?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1507081500430.3014@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <AACEBB67-CEA4-4630-A906-2383C293A2B1@cwis.biz>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1507081500430.3014@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <00E5334B-F465-4FA7-8BA9-6642C811F7E4@cwis.biz>

I wish I could say it was that low. I?ve been tolerating the volume because I have two other jobs and the deluge seems to be limited to just me but I get about 400+/day not getting caught in the filter.

Lowering the score helped a few months ago but it?s the learning part that?s killing me.

> On Jul 8, 2015, at 3:01 PM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> 
> I've had SpamAssassin running for years, and I get maybe 1 or two spam messages make it through in a week, usually.
> 
> But the last week or so it's been a bit insane. I think the spammers are getting better...
> 
> On Wed, 8 Jul 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> 
>> I have SpamAssassin running with Postfix and a cron command that is supposedly running and recording the contents of spam folders (which are populated by hand with that which is missed by the filter) but in my headers it is still recording that Autolearn is turned off (which I have turned on in the configuration).
>> 
>> But the same emails keep making it through.
>> 
>> This is running on Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS and is running the most current of each related package.
>> 
>> Any thoughts and help would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ryan
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From marc at e-skinner.net  Thu Jul  9 21:42:40 2015
From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 21:42:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Anyone with SpamAssassin experience?
In-Reply-To: <00E5334B-F465-4FA7-8BA9-6642C811F7E4@cwis.biz>
References: <AACEBB67-CEA4-4630-A906-2383C293A2B1@cwis.biz>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1507081500430.3014@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <00E5334B-F465-4FA7-8BA9-6642C811F7E4@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <559F3120.1070104@e-skinner.net>

Once I added grey listing, that helped cut out about 90% of what was 
sneaking through spam-assassin.

http://postgrey.schweikert.ch/




On 07/08/2015 03:06 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> I wish I could say it was that low. I?ve been tolerating the volume because I have two other jobs and the deluge seems to be limited to just me but I get about 400+/day not getting caught in the filter.
>
> Lowering the score helped a few months ago but it?s the learning part that?s killing me.
>
>> On Jul 8, 2015, at 3:01 PM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>
>> I've had SpamAssassin running for years, and I get maybe 1 or two spam messages make it through in a week, usually.
>>
>> But the last week or so it's been a bit insane. I think the spammers are getting better...
>>
>> On Wed, 8 Jul 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>>
>>> I have SpamAssassin running with Postfix and a cron command that is supposedly running and recording the contents of spam folders (which are populated by hand with that which is missed by the filter) but in my headers it is still recording that Autolearn is turned off (which I have turned on in the configuration).
>>>
>>> But the same emails keep making it through.
>>>
>>> This is running on Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS and is running the most current of each related package.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts and help would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ryan
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Fri Jul 10 10:06:00 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 10:06:00 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Anyone with SpamAssassin experience?
In-Reply-To: <559F3120.1070104@e-skinner.net>
References: <AACEBB67-CEA4-4630-A906-2383C293A2B1@cwis.biz>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1507081500430.3014@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <00E5334B-F465-4FA7-8BA9-6642C811F7E4@cwis.biz>
 <559F3120.1070104@e-skinner.net>
Message-ID: <E58B8906-C1AB-4B74-805A-D6C71FB5FF88@cwis.biz>

Hmm. That?s working. Thanks, Marc!


> On Jul 9, 2015, at 9:42 PM, Marc Skinner <marc at e-skinner.net> wrote:
> 
> Once I added grey listing, that helped cut out about 90% of what was sneaking through spam-assassin.
> 
> http://postgrey.schweikert.ch/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 07/08/2015 03:06 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>> I wish I could say it was that low. I?ve been tolerating the volume because I have two other jobs and the deluge seems to be limited to just me but I get about 400+/day not getting caught in the filter.
>> 
>> Lowering the score helped a few months ago but it?s the learning part that?s killing me.
>> 
>>> On Jul 8, 2015, at 3:01 PM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've had SpamAssassin running for years, and I get maybe 1 or two spam messages make it through in a week, usually.
>>> 
>>> But the last week or so it's been a bit insane. I think the spammers are getting better...
>>> 
>>> On Wed, 8 Jul 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have SpamAssassin running with Postfix and a cron command that is supposedly running and recording the contents of spam folders (which are populated by hand with that which is missed by the filter) but in my headers it is still recording that Autolearn is turned off (which I have turned on in the configuration).
>>>> 
>>>> But the same emails keep making it through.
>>>> 
>>>> This is running on Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS and is running the most current of each related package.
>>>> 
>>>> Any thoughts and help would be appreciated.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Ryan
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 17:23:37 2015
From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 17:23:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Solder skills / equip / tomato capable router?
Message-ID: <55A43A69.4030806@gmail.com>

Anyone on this list have the proper soldering iron to replace capacitors on a board?

This exact repair, actually: http://www.nerdybynature.com/2013/10/26/fix-a-fried-asus-rt-n16/

At least 2 of the 3 capacitors on mine show obvious signs of failure...

Want to take a shot at the repair for a reasonable price, like, some beer or something?

I don't have the proper soldering tools / skills for a board this size.

Failing that, what is a good wireless router these days, that can run a tomato variant has 
gigabit switch ports, and a USB port?  This Asus was/is a good option from a price 
point... but I'm not going to buy another if it only lasts 3 years because they insist on 
saving 10 cents per capacitor.

Thanks,

Dan

From lkateley at kateley.com  Mon Jul 13 18:45:30 2015
From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 18:45:30 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] hardware?
Message-ID: <55A44D9A.1000903@kateley.com>

Not sure if this is off topic, but wondering where people buy just 
general purpose server hardware from in the twin cities?

I got a couple servers to buy.. not sure if i really want to buy off ebay ;)

linda

From tclug at freakzilla.com  Mon Jul 13 18:49:40 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 18:49:40 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] hardware?
In-Reply-To: <55A44D9A.1000903@kateley.com>
References: <55A44D9A.1000903@kateley.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1507131848250.30663@cockerel.yaron.org>

I build them myself. I like newegg for parts research... but sadly Amazon 
(with Prime) ends up much much cheaper for shipping.

Microcenter is a good place for local hardware, but that's only if you're 
OK with consumer/desktop-grade hardware for your servers.


On Mon, 13 Jul 2015, Linda Kateley wrote:

> Not sure if this is off topic, but wondering where people buy just general 
> purpose server hardware from in the twin cities?
>
> I got a couple servers to buy.. not sure if i really want to buy off ebay ;)
>
> linda
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Mon Jul 13 18:51:41 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 18:51:41 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] hardware?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1507131848250.30663@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <55A44D9A.1000903@kateley.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1507131848250.30663@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <AFD6D020-7F64-43D4-9F65-E19C165DBA60@cwis.biz>

I also do what Clug does.

But there is that beast of a board available still ;-)


> On Jul 13, 2015, at 6:49 PM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> 
> I build them myself. I like newegg for parts research... but sadly Amazon (with Prime) ends up much much cheaper for shipping.
> 
> Microcenter is a good place for local hardware, but that's only if you're OK with consumer/desktop-grade hardware for your servers.
> 
> 
> On Mon, 13 Jul 2015, Linda Kateley wrote:
> 
>> Not sure if this is off topic, but wondering where people buy just general purpose server hardware from in the twin cities?
>> 
>> I got a couple servers to buy.. not sure if i really want to buy off ebay ;)
>> 
>> linda
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 14:41:55 2015
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 14:41:55 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] hardware?
Message-ID: <CABWFOjtJBDWVCObE3X5EP8oDb++cMRGycTdsAtbspupnJR-onw@mail.gmail.com>

Clug writes:
>On Mon, 13 Jul 2015, Linda Kateley wrote:
>> Not sure if this is off topic, but wondering where people buy just
general
>> purpose server hardware from in the twin cities?
>>
>> I got a couple servers to buy.. not sure if i really want to buy off
ebay ;)
>>
>> linda
>
> I build them myself. I like newegg for parts research... but sadly Amazon
> (with Prime) ends up much much cheaper for shipping.
>

I find that newegg is sometimes a lot cheaper than Amazon.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157561&cm_re=asrock_motherboard_intel_ecc-_-13-157-561-_-Product

http://www.amazon.com/ASRock-C226M-WS-LGA1150-Motherboard/dp/B00U07CKGA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1436680147&sr=8-1&keywords=asrock+c226m

I recently ordered parts for a new server and got most of them
from Newegg and one from Amazon.  Most of the parts are
here, but the part from Amazon is slow to arrive for some reason.
I noticed that the case maker pre-installed the motherboard
offset screws.  Years ago when I built a system, you had to do that
yourself.  Now I'm deciding whether to take the advice of some to
build the system outside the case first.

-- 
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
http://webEbenezer.net
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From joel.longanecker at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 14:45:12 2015
From: joel.longanecker at gmail.com (Joel Longanecker)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 14:45:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] hardware?
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjtJBDWVCObE3X5EP8oDb++cMRGycTdsAtbspupnJR-onw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjtJBDWVCObE3X5EP8oDb++cMRGycTdsAtbspupnJR-onw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOusT-87L1z+0m7QHqqiyAE7mzFcHix8XdoZFHm0q+YrEGpVOg@mail.gmail.com>

https://pcpartpicker.com/

I use this for my builds. It also helps you keep an eye on your power
consumption as you add parts, and keeps you from doing dumb things, also
helps you find the best rebates and cheapest supplier.

On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Clug writes:
> >On Mon, 13 Jul 2015, Linda Kateley wrote:
> >> Not sure if this is off topic, but wondering where people buy just
> general
> >> purpose server hardware from in the twin cities?
> >>
> >> I got a couple servers to buy.. not sure if i really want to buy off
> ebay ;)
> >>
> >> linda
> >
> > I build them myself. I like newegg for parts research... but sadly Amazon
> > (with Prime) ends up much much cheaper for shipping.
> >
>
> I find that newegg is sometimes a lot cheaper than Amazon.
>
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157561&cm_re=asrock_motherboard_intel_ecc-_-13-157-561-_-Product
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/ASRock-C226M-WS-LGA1150-Motherboard/dp/B00U07CKGA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1436680147&sr=8-1&keywords=asrock+c226m
>
> I recently ordered parts for a new server and got most of them
> from Newegg and one from Amazon.  Most of the parts are
> here, but the part from Amazon is slow to arrive for some reason.
> I noticed that the case maker pre-installed the motherboard
> offset screws.  Years ago when I built a system, you had to do that
> yourself.  Now I'm deciding whether to take the advice of some to
> build the system outside the case first.
>
> --
> Brian
> Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
> http://webEbenezer.net
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From lkateley at kateley.com  Tue Jul 14 16:54:00 2015
From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:54:00 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] hardware?
In-Reply-To: <CAOusT-87L1z+0m7QHqqiyAE7mzFcHix8XdoZFHm0q+YrEGpVOg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjtJBDWVCObE3X5EP8oDb++cMRGycTdsAtbspupnJR-onw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOusT-87L1z+0m7QHqqiyAE7mzFcHix8XdoZFHm0q+YrEGpVOg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55A584F8.4000302@kateley.com>

that's exactly what i need!!! thanks

linda

On 7/14/15 2:45 PM, Joel Longanecker wrote:
> https://pcpartpicker.com/
>
> I use this for my builds. It also helps you keep an eye on your power 
> consumption as you add parts, and keeps you from doing dumb things, 
> also helps you find the best rebates and cheapest supplier.
>
> On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:woodbrian77 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Clug writes:
>     >On Mon, 13 Jul 2015, Linda Kateley wrote:
>     >> Not sure if this is off topic, but wondering where people buy
>     just general
>     >> purpose server hardware from in the twin cities?
>     >>
>     >> I got a couple servers to buy.. not sure if i really want to
>     buy off ebay ;)
>     >>
>     >> linda
>     >
>     > I build them myself. I like newegg for parts research... but
>     sadly Amazon
>     > (with Prime) ends up much much cheaper for shipping.
>     >
>
>     I find that newegg is sometimes a lot cheaper than Amazon.
>
>     http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157561&cm_re=asrock_motherboard_intel_ecc-_-13-157-561-_-Product
>
>     http://www.amazon.com/ASRock-C226M-WS-LGA1150-Motherboard/dp/B00U07CKGA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1436680147&sr=8-1&keywords=asrock+c226m
>
>     I recently ordered parts for a new server and got most of them
>     from Newegg and one from Amazon.  Most of the parts are
>     here, but the part from Amazon is slow to arrive for some reason.
>     I noticed that the case maker pre-installed the motherboard
>     offset screws.  Years ago when I built a system, you had to do that
>     yourself.  Now I'm deciding whether to take the advice of some to
>     build the system outside the case first.
>
>     -- 
>     Brian
>     Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
>     http://webEbenezer.net
>
>
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>     tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>     http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

-- 
Linda Kateley
Kateley Company
Skype ID-kateleyco
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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Wed Jul 15 17:25:38 2015
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:25:38 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] non-underlined links are all the rage
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9CWZzJvFx8PUB5gVdWHi1V+FuTRCnRDPU9KJ1HFn0JrPA@mail.gmail.com>

non-underlined links are all the rage now.  fine on the desktop.  maybe
fine on your tablet.  but not good on my phone.  eg commonly black text and
blue links.  undistinguishable.

how do i tell android firefox to underline the links regardless what the
page designer wrote, but keep the page's color scheme as is?
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From joel.longanecker at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 07:43:49 2015
From: joel.longanecker at gmail.com (Joel Longanecker)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 07:43:49 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] non-underlined links are all the rage
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9CWZzJvFx8PUB5gVdWHi1V+FuTRCnRDPU9KJ1HFn0JrPA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9CWZzJvFx8PUB5gVdWHi1V+FuTRCnRDPU9KJ1HFn0JrPA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOusT-8LzJfjSsi5vNKK3Fot3cq8JveV8EASmQPbf09H79UC-g@mail.gmail.com>

Firefox for Android apparently supports some extensions.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/find-and-install-add-ons-firefox-android#w_how-do-i-find-and-install-add-ons

You might find one of those to be useful.


On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 5:25 PM, gregrwm <tclug1 at whitleymott.net> wrote:

> non-underlined links are all the rage now.  fine on the desktop.  maybe
> fine on your tablet.  but not good on my phone.  eg commonly black text and
> blue links.  undistinguishable.
>
> how do i tell android firefox to underline the links regardless what the
> page designer wrote, but keep the page's color scheme as is?
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From droidjd at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 09:24:19 2015
From: droidjd at gmail.com (Andrew Dahl)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 14:24:19 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Solder skills / equip / tomato capable router?
In-Reply-To: <55A43A69.4030806@gmail.com>
References: <55A43A69.4030806@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFjzMdx2Rs6GVBCW9d0dSUv2rjr3uZm-PCUZpckM11LGRcSGag@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Dan,

I'd be willing to take a crack at it.  I'm no expert in soldering, but I've
recapped the soundboard of an arcade cabinet (
https://goo.gl/photos/HVJEzMNoCFFdtKMq9) and, after a few attempts,
re-soldered an HDMI port back on to a TV... so, I could definitely be
worse. :-)

Unfortunately, I don't have any router suggestions at the moment.  The two
in my home are none too stellar.  A friend of mine does have a Netgear
Nighthawk he raves about.  The range is pretty stellar, but the price is
definitely not.  I'm also unsure if it would run Tomato or not.

-Andrew



On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:23 PM Dan Armbrust <daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Anyone on this list have the proper soldering iron to replace capacitors
> on a board?
>
> This exact repair, actually:
> http://www.nerdybynature.com/2013/10/26/fix-a-fried-asus-rt-n16/
>
> At least 2 of the 3 capacitors on mine show obvious signs of failure...
>
> Want to take a shot at the repair for a reasonable price, like, some beer
> or something?
>
> I don't have the proper soldering tools / skills for a board this size.
>
> Failing that, what is a good wireless router these days, that can run a
> tomato variant has
> gigabit switch ports, and a USB port?  This Asus was/is a good option from
> a price
> point... but I'm not going to buy another if it only lasts 3 years because
> they insist on
> saving 10 cents per capacitor.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From droidjd at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 09:24:57 2015
From: droidjd at gmail.com (Andrew Dahl)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 14:24:57 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Solder skills / equip / tomato capable router?
In-Reply-To: <CAFjzMdx2Rs6GVBCW9d0dSUv2rjr3uZm-PCUZpckM11LGRcSGag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55A43A69.4030806@gmail.com>
 <CAFjzMdx2Rs6GVBCW9d0dSUv2rjr3uZm-PCUZpckM11LGRcSGag@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFjzMdyfBMuxactenwe7JRK0KvbkffZ=GGrpfnphWYzLO_4HOA@mail.gmail.com>

Ha. Meant to send that privately.  Oh well :-)

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 9:24 AM Andrew Dahl <droidjd at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Dan,
>
> I'd be willing to take a crack at it.  I'm no expert in soldering, but
> I've recapped the soundboard of an arcade cabinet (
> https://goo.gl/photos/HVJEzMNoCFFdtKMq9) and, after a few attempts,
> re-soldered an HDMI port back on to a TV... so, I could definitely be
> worse. :-)
>
> Unfortunately, I don't have any router suggestions at the moment.  The two
> in my home are none too stellar.  A friend of mine does have a Netgear
> Nighthawk he raves about.  The range is pretty stellar, but the price is
> definitely not.  I'm also unsure if it would run Tomato or not.
>
>
> -Andrew
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:23 PM Dan Armbrust <
> daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone on this list have the proper soldering iron to replace capacitors
>> on a board?
>>
>> This exact repair, actually:
>> http://www.nerdybynature.com/2013/10/26/fix-a-fried-asus-rt-n16/
>>
>> At least 2 of the 3 capacitors on mine show obvious signs of failure...
>>
>> Want to take a shot at the repair for a reasonable price, like, some beer
>> or something?
>>
>> I don't have the proper soldering tools / skills for a board this size.
>>
>> Failing that, what is a good wireless router these days, that can run a
>> tomato variant has
>> gigabit switch ports, and a USB port?  This Asus was/is a good option
>> from a price
>> point... but I'm not going to buy another if it only lasts 3 years
>> because they insist on
>> saving 10 cents per capacitor.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dan
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Thu Jul 16 09:38:23 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 09:38:23 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Solder skills / equip / tomato capable router?
In-Reply-To: <CAFjzMdyfBMuxactenwe7JRK0KvbkffZ=GGrpfnphWYzLO_4HOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55A43A69.4030806@gmail.com>
 <CAFjzMdx2Rs6GVBCW9d0dSUv2rjr3uZm-PCUZpckM11LGRcSGag@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFjzMdyfBMuxactenwe7JRK0KvbkffZ=GGrpfnphWYzLO_4HOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1B60DF60-22DC-43A9-836F-7E9C682C92A7@cwis.biz>

You are forgiven.

Now you must recite three Hail Linus and five Mohrs Laws.


> On Jul 16, 2015, at 9:24 AM, Andrew Dahl <droidjd at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ha. Meant to send that privately.  Oh well :-)
> 
> On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 9:24 AM Andrew Dahl <droidjd at gmail.com <mailto:droidjd at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hey Dan,
> 
> I'd be willing to take a crack at it.  I'm no expert in soldering, but I've recapped the soundboard of an arcade cabinet (https://goo.gl/photos/HVJEzMNoCFFdtKMq9 <https://goo.gl/photos/HVJEzMNoCFFdtKMq9>) and, after a few attempts, re-soldered an HDMI port back on to a TV... so, I could definitely be worse. :-)
> 
> Unfortunately, I don't have any router suggestions at the moment.  The two in my home are none too stellar.  A friend of mine does have a Netgear Nighthawk he raves about.  The range is pretty stellar, but the price is definitely not.  I'm also unsure if it would run Tomato or not.
> 
> 
> -Andrew
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:23 PM Dan Armbrust <daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com <mailto:daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Anyone on this list have the proper soldering iron to replace capacitors on a board?
> 
> This exact repair, actually: http://www.nerdybynature.com/2013/10/26/fix-a-fried-asus-rt-n16/ <http://www.nerdybynature.com/2013/10/26/fix-a-fried-asus-rt-n16/>
> 
> At least 2 of the 3 capacitors on mine show obvious signs of failure...
> 
> Want to take a shot at the repair for a reasonable price, like, some beer or something?
> 
> I don't have the proper soldering tools / skills for a board this size.
> 
> Failing that, what is a good wireless router these days, that can run a tomato variant has
> gigabit switch ports, and a USB port?  This Asus was/is a good option from a price
> point... but I'm not going to buy another if it only lasts 3 years because they insist on
> saving 10 cents per capacitor.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dan
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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From o1bigtenor at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 11:56:41 2015
From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 11:56:41 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] System setup advice request
Message-ID: <CAPpdf59fr69ssY-K965GYLpEfPcd4e_wMzL8vR_No0jQZ8tV+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings

I have a large system with a fair number of resources which has just come
home from the hospital (computer) when I had a disk drive fail abruptly.

1.The tech tells me that the hard drive can be accessed. How do I do a low
level transfer to another hard drive?
(This would mean that I would have empty sectors but there is some
information that I would like to get.)

2. The drive was my 'operating system' drive. That meant that here is where
I kept my 14 VirtualBox machines. (One was my business record keeping
(accounting) and that is the one that I want real bad but its only 16
months of data so it can be redone but its painful!)

How do I set up the hard drive so that files can be moved to my RAID array
(which should be just fine) - - - or should I?
Should I be setting up this drive as it was before but just looking for a
way to do backups?
As I understand it operating systems on RAID isn't nice - - - or is it?

I am looking for something that doesn't crap out so completely. I
understand I should have had backups but I wasn't able to get the shared
folder stuff working so that I could seamlessly transfer stuff to my main
array. That would also be a viable option if someone can tell me how to
cudgel VirtualBox into submission.

Questions welcomed.

TIA

Dee
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From TNeu at sjm.com  Thu Jul 16 12:52:03 2015
From: TNeu at sjm.com (Neu, Timothy)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 17:52:03 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] System setup advice request
In-Reply-To: <CAPpdf59fr69ssY-K965GYLpEfPcd4e_wMzL8vR_No0jQZ8tV+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPpdf59fr69ssY-K965GYLpEfPcd4e_wMzL8vR_No0jQZ8tV+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1484DBEEB175C3479AA567DDC6AEE29501019CD225@USSPPMSG07.ad.sjm.com>

Try running spin-rite on it.   If that works and fixes issues, make your backups.


From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of o1bigtenor
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 11:57 AM
To: TCLUG Mailing List
Subject: [tclug-list] System setup advice request

Greetings
I have a large system with a fair number of resources which has just come home from the hospital (computer) when I had a disk drive fail abruptly.
1.The tech tells me that the hard drive can be accessed. How do I do a low level transfer to another hard drive?
(This would mean that I would have empty sectors but there is some information that I would like to get.)
2. The drive was my 'operating system' drive. That meant that here is where I kept my 14 VirtualBox machines. (One was my business record keeping (accounting) and that is the one that I want real bad but its only 16 months of data so it can be redone but its painful!)
How do I set up the hard drive so that files can be moved to my RAID array (which should be just fine) - - - or should I?
Should I be setting up this drive as it was before but just looking for a way to do backups?
As I understand it operating systems on RAID isn't nice - - - or is it?
I am looking for something that doesn't crap out so completely. I understand I should have had backups but I wasn't able to get the shared folder stuff working so that I could seamlessly transfer stuff to my main array. That would also be a viable option if someone can tell me how to cudgel VirtualBox into submission.
Questions welcomed.
TIA
Dee

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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Thu Jul 16 13:20:13 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 13:20:13 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] System setup advice request
In-Reply-To: <CAPpdf59fr69ssY-K965GYLpEfPcd4e_wMzL8vR_No0jQZ8tV+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPpdf59fr69ssY-K965GYLpEfPcd4e_wMzL8vR_No0jQZ8tV+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1507161314450.4639@cockerel.yaron.org>

First of all, if you had data on that drive it was not your "operating 
system" drive. It was a data drive (:

Now, it all depends on what kind of drive failure you're having. If the 
drive is still accessible, mount it and copy the files off. If you want to 
be safe (and have the room), connect it to another computer and use dd to 
make an image of it, then mount and work with that image rather than the 
actual drive. I would definitely need more information to give you better 
advice.


In the future, try to store important data away from the OS drive, and 
BACK IT UP. Please note that a RAID device is NOT A BACKUP. It's a more 
reliable and redundant storage device, but you should still back stuff up. 
What you could do is keep all your important data on the system drive, and 
back it up to the RAID device.

You could back up the entire virtual machine files, but yes, Shared 
Folders in VirtualBox is a good idea, too (then you only have to back up 
that data directory). It's fairly trivial to set up; you just have to make 
sure you install the Guest Additions on your guest system.



On Thu, 16 Jul 2015, o1bigtenor wrote:

> Greetings
> 
> I have a large system with a fair number of resources which has just come
> home from the hospital (computer) when I had a disk drive fail abruptly.
> 
> 1.The tech tells me that the hard drive can be accessed. How do I do a low
> level transfer to another hard drive?
> (This would mean that I would have empty sectors but there is some
> information that I would like to get.)
> 
> 2. The drive was my 'operating system' drive. That meant that here is where
> I kept my 14 VirtualBox machines. (One was my business record keeping
> (accounting) and that is the one that I want real bad but its only 16 months
> of data so it can be redone but its painful!)
> 
> How do I set up the hard drive so that files can be moved to my RAID array
> (which should be just fine) - - - or should I?
> Should I be setting up this drive as it was before but just looking for a
> way to do backups?
> As I understand it operating systems on RAID isn't nice - - - or is it?
> 
> I am looking for something that doesn't crap out so completely. I understand
> I should have had backups but I wasn't able to get the shared folder stuff
> working so that I could seamlessly transfer stuff to my main array. That
> would also be a viable option if someone can tell me how to cudgel
> VirtualBox into submission.
> 
> Questions welcomed.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Dee
> 
>

From n0nas at amsat.org  Thu Jul 16 13:23:31 2015
From: n0nas at amsat.org (Doug Reed)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 13:23:31 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] System setup advice request
Message-ID: <CAL+RLORtuOYaTUo+FgWYvSAFyb=obwSL1WKy+e-t+dwDZ3p3tA@mail.gmail.com>

This isn't the "Linux way" but you might want to try running Spinrite
on the drive first. Spinrite is a for-pay tool from GRC.com that boots
DOS from a CD or floppy and runs a sector-level scan of the hard
drive. It re-reads any bad sectors it finds until it recovers the data
and forces the drive to repair or reallocate it. I've used Spinrite on
a number of my drives to solve soft-error problems that were causing
slow boots. I've even used it to recover most of the drive where there
was physical damage. My chances of making a drive bootable again so I
could copy the info have been pretty good.

As long as the drive can be accessed, Spinrite should be able to read
it and will probably be able to repair any errors that are due to
failure of the drive's error correction. If it was just a weak sector,
you should use what they call "level four surface scan" to read and
refresh every sector on the drive. The "level 2 scan" will look for
sector errors and try to recover them but doesn't do the all sector
refresh. It has been shown that "level 2 scan" can often recover read
errors on a USB stick too, but I've never managed to fix a USB stick
if the OS doesn't recognize it first.... Don't use level 4 on a USB
stick.

Spinrite is a $90 solution that might reduce your aggravation, and for
you it would be a business expense. You buy it online from grc.com and
it is a very small download. If you look, you can find Spinrite v6 out
on various download sites and if it solves your problem, I'd hope
you'd buy a legal copy.

Whether you trust the hard drive in the future is up to you. I've
started using Spinrite on level 4 as preventative maintenance on my
laptop and desktop hard drives, just in case.... If you want details
how it works, read the web site. I'd bet someone could write a script
for Linux that would do most of what Spinrite does, but probably not
all....

The usual disclaimers apply, I'm not affiliated with the company and
have no financial interest. I just like the software and enjoy the
"Security Now" podcast.

Doug.

From o1bigtenor at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 16:08:05 2015
From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 16:08:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] System setup advice request
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1507161314450.4639@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <CAPpdf59fr69ssY-K965GYLpEfPcd4e_wMzL8vR_No0jQZ8tV+Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1507161314450.4639@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <CAPpdf59C157im-3ZmLD_S5peqvd5jZpDnkpVymHQ_dTpwy+cXA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:

> First of all, if you had data on that drive it was not your "operating
> system" drive. It was a data drive (:
>
> Now, it all depends on what kind of drive failure you're having. If the
> drive is still accessible, mount it and copy the files off. If you want to
> be safe (and have the room), connect it to another computer and use dd to
> make an image of it, then mount and work with that image rather than the
> actual drive. I would definitely need more information to give you better
> advice.
>

That is the idea. Need to get an outside box to hold the additional drives.

>
>
> In the future, try to store important data away from the OS drive, and
> BACK IT UP. Please note that a RAID device is NOT A BACKUP. It's a more
> reliable and redundant storage device, but you should still back stuff up.
> What you could do is keep all your important data on the system drive, and
> back it up to the RAID device.
>

The data that I'm talking about is largely in hidden files, like for a
journal program, or bookmark files (these represent lots of work!).

>
> You could back up the entire virtual machine files, but yes, Shared
> Folders in VirtualBox is a good idea, too (then you only have to back up
> that data directory). It's fairly trivial to set up; you just have to make
> sure you install the Guest Additions on your guest system.


Spent a lot of hours (after installing the Guest Additions) and still
wasn't able to get the shared folders to work.
Do you have a tutorial or guide or some such for me to follow?

Much thanks for the ideas presented so far.

Looking for ways to set up the new 'operating system drive' to reduce the
pain upon another occurrence like this - - Please?

Dee

>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 16 Jul 2015, o1bigtenor wrote:
>
>  Greetings
>>
>> I have a large system with a fair number of resources which has just come
>> home from the hospital (computer) when I had a disk drive fail abruptly.
>>
>> 1.The tech tells me that the hard drive can be accessed. How do I do a low
>> level transfer to another hard drive?
>> (This would mean that I would have empty sectors but there is some
>> information that I would like to get.)
>>
>> 2. The drive was my 'operating system' drive. That meant that here is
>> where
>> I kept my 14 VirtualBox machines. (One was my business record keeping
>> (accounting) and that is the one that I want real bad but its only 16
>> months
>> of data so it can be redone but its painful!)
>>
>> How do I set up the hard drive so that files can be moved to my RAID array
>> (which should be just fine) - - - or should I?
>> Should I be setting up this drive as it was before but just looking for a
>> way to do backups?
>> As I understand it operating systems on RAID isn't nice - - - or is it?
>>
>> I am looking for something that doesn't crap out so completely. I
>> understand
>> I should have had backups but I wasn't able to get the shared folder stuff
>> working so that I could seamlessly transfer stuff to my main array. That
>> would also be a viable option if someone can tell me how to cudgel
>> VirtualBox into submission.
>>
>> Questions welcomed.
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Dee
>>
>>
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Thu Jul 16 23:58:42 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 23:58:42 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Android question
Message-ID: <F417DF53-6272-4E09-8BF9-500746CA22EC@cwis.biz>

I?m a total Apple-head? and I love the iPhone Configuration Utility (as it works on both the desktop and mobile platforms.

But I want to offer my Android users the ability to get email, calendar, VPN, etc., in one place. Does this exist? 

?
Ryan

From tclug at freakzilla.com  Fri Jul 17 00:03:49 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 00:03:49 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Android question
In-Reply-To: <F417DF53-6272-4E09-8BF9-500746CA22EC@cwis.biz>
References: <F417DF53-6272-4E09-8BF9-500746CA22EC@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1507170002570.5112@cockerel.yaron.org>

Yeah, it's called Google and it's pretty much integrated into Android (:

Other than VPN, but VPN is also built-in to Android. How are you providing 
all these things for iOS users?

On Thu, 16 Jul 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:

> I?m a total Apple-head? and I love the iPhone Configuration Utility (as it works on both the desktop and mobile platforms.
>
> But I want to offer my Android users the ability to get email, calendar, VPN, etc., in one place. Does this exist?
>
> ?
> Ryan
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Fri Jul 17 10:00:16 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 10:00:16 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Android question
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1507170002570.5112@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <F417DF53-6272-4E09-8BF9-500746CA22EC@cwis.biz>
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Message-ID: <543EDA9D-AC64-45F5-88A7-AFDE86ECC617@cwis.biz>

It?s called a mobile Config file and it contains everything my photographers would need to access the company?s services (LDAP, VPN, email, Calendar) without all the attitude I get from Androids. :)


> On Jul 17, 2015, at 12:03 AM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, it's called Google and it's pretty much integrated into Android (:
> 
> Other than VPN, but VPN is also built-in to Android. How are you providing all these things for iOS users?
> 
> On Thu, 16 Jul 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> 
>> I?m a total Apple-head? and I love the iPhone Configuration Utility (as it works on both the desktop and mobile platforms.
>> 
>> But I want to offer my Android users the ability to get email, calendar, VPN, etc., in one place. Does this exist?
>> 
>> ?
>> Ryan
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From tclug at freakzilla.com  Fri Jul 17 10:14:19 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 10:14:19 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Android question
In-Reply-To: <543EDA9D-AC64-45F5-88A7-AFDE86ECC617@cwis.biz>
References: <F417DF53-6272-4E09-8BF9-500746CA22EC@cwis.biz>
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Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1507171012460.5572@cockerel.yaron.org>

Hmm. The only way I can think of would be to create a package and have 
everyone install it. But I'm not an android developer so I'm afraid I 
don't know much about that.

If you know the technical term for what you're doing, you could google 
that with "android" after it? (; Sorry, I know I'm not being super helpful 
here. This is not something I've had to deal with.

On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:

> It?s called a mobile Config file and it contains everything my photographers would need to access the company?s services (LDAP, VPN, email, Calendar) without all the attitude I get from Androids. :)
>
>
>> On Jul 17, 2015, at 12:03 AM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, it's called Google and it's pretty much integrated into Android (:
>>
>> Other than VPN, but VPN is also built-in to Android. How are you providing all these things for iOS users?
>>
>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>>
>>> I?m a total Apple-head? and I love the iPhone Configuration Utility (as it works on both the desktop and mobile platforms.
>>>
>>> But I want to offer my Android users the ability to get email, calendar, VPN, etc., in one place. Does this exist?
>>>
>>> ?
>>> Ryan
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Fri Jul 17 10:35:09 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 10:35:09 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Android question
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1507171012460.5572@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <F417DF53-6272-4E09-8BF9-500746CA22EC@cwis.biz>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1507170002570.5112@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <543EDA9D-AC64-45F5-88A7-AFDE86ECC617@cwis.biz>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1507171012460.5572@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <68428EBE-135E-4972-A645-A77F83C79839@cwis.biz>

Yeah, I?ve tried that? It doesn?t seem to exist.

> On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> 
> Hmm. The only way I can think of would be to create a package and have everyone install it. But I'm not an android developer so I'm afraid I don't know much about that.
> 
> If you know the technical term for what you're doing, you could google that with "android" after it? (; Sorry, I know I'm not being super helpful here. This is not something I've had to deal with.
> 
> On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> 
>> It?s called a mobile Config file and it contains everything my photographers would need to access the company?s services (LDAP, VPN, email, Calendar) without all the attitude I get from Androids. :)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 17, 2015, at 12:03 AM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah, it's called Google and it's pretty much integrated into Android (:
>>> 
>>> Other than VPN, but VPN is also built-in to Android. How are you providing all these things for iOS users?
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I?m a total Apple-head? and I love the iPhone Configuration Utility (as it works on both the desktop and mobile platforms.
>>>> 
>>>> But I want to offer my Android users the ability to get email, calendar, VPN, etc., in one place. Does this exist?
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> Ryan
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From tclug at freakzilla.com  Fri Jul 17 10:36:36 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 10:36:36 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Android question
In-Reply-To: <68428EBE-135E-4972-A645-A77F83C79839@cwis.biz>
References: <F417DF53-6272-4E09-8BF9-500746CA22EC@cwis.biz>
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 <543EDA9D-AC64-45F5-88A7-AFDE86ECC617@cwis.biz>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1507171012460.5572@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <68428EBE-135E-4972-A645-A77F83C79839@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1507171036130.5572@cockerel.yaron.org>

I'm sure there's SOME kind of Android business solution. I just have no 
idea what it's called (:

On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:

> Yeah, I?ve tried that? It doesn?t seem to exist.
>
>> On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hmm. The only way I can think of would be to create a package and have everyone install it. But I'm not an android developer so I'm afraid I don't know much about that.
>>
>> If you know the technical term for what you're doing, you could google that with "android" after it? (; Sorry, I know I'm not being super helpful here. This is not something I've had to deal with.
>>
>> On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>>
>>> It?s called a mobile Config file and it contains everything my photographers would need to access the company?s services (LDAP, VPN, email, Calendar) without all the attitude I get from Androids. :)
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jul 17, 2015, at 12:03 AM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, it's called Google and it's pretty much integrated into Android (:
>>>>
>>>> Other than VPN, but VPN is also built-in to Android. How are you providing all these things for iOS users?
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I?m a total Apple-head? and I love the iPhone Configuration Utility (as it works on both the desktop and mobile platforms.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I want to offer my Android users the ability to get email, calendar, VPN, etc., in one place. Does this exist?
>>>>>
>>>>> ?
>>>>> Ryan
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From joel.longanecker at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 10:40:29 2015
From: joel.longanecker at gmail.com (Joel Longanecker)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 10:40:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Android question
In-Reply-To: <68428EBE-135E-4972-A645-A77F83C79839@cwis.biz>
References: <F417DF53-6272-4E09-8BF9-500746CA22EC@cwis.biz>
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 <543EDA9D-AC64-45F5-88A7-AFDE86ECC617@cwis.biz>
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Message-ID: <CAOusT--mArMOwYQif6WY+7vUnm-5vDcZjnBJAFOABAQwPLooxw@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like you need something like this.

https://www.manageengine.com/mobile-device-management/android-management.html

It's not cheap, but nothing corporate ever is.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>
wrote:

> Yeah, I?ve tried that? It doesn?t seem to exist.
>
> > On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hmm. The only way I can think of would be to create a package and have
> everyone install it. But I'm not an android developer so I'm afraid I don't
> know much about that.
> >
> > If you know the technical term for what you're doing, you could google
> that with "android" after it? (; Sorry, I know I'm not being super helpful
> here. This is not something I've had to deal with.
> >
> > On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> >
> >> It?s called a mobile Config file and it contains everything my
> photographers would need to access the company?s services (LDAP, VPN,
> email, Calendar) without all the attitude I get from Androids. :)
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jul 17, 2015, at 12:03 AM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yeah, it's called Google and it's pretty much integrated into Android
> (:
> >>>
> >>> Other than VPN, but VPN is also built-in to Android. How are you
> providing all these things for iOS users?
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I?m a total Apple-head? and I love the iPhone Configuration Utility
> (as it works on both the desktop and mobile platforms.
> >>>>
> >>>> But I want to offer my Android users the ability to get email,
> calendar, VPN, etc., in one place. Does this exist?
> >>>>
> >>>> ?
> >>>> Ryan
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Fri Jul 17 11:20:17 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 11:20:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Android question
In-Reply-To: <CAOusT--mArMOwYQif6WY+7vUnm-5vDcZjnBJAFOABAQwPLooxw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F417DF53-6272-4E09-8BF9-500746CA22EC@cwis.biz>
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Yeah and it?s total overkill.

I don?t want to manage devices, I just want to send a user a configuration file with all the items they need. Because, as we know, end users are stupid.



> On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Joel Longanecker <joel.longanecker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Sounds like you need something like this.
> 
> https://www.manageengine.com/mobile-device-management/android-management.html <https://www.manageengine.com/mobile-device-management/android-management.html>
> 
> It's not cheap, but nothing corporate ever is.
> 
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz <mailto:ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>> wrote:
> Yeah, I?ve tried that? It doesn?t seem to exist.
> 
> > On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com <mailto:tclug at freakzilla.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hmm. The only way I can think of would be to create a package and have everyone install it. But I'm not an android developer so I'm afraid I don't know much about that.
> >
> > If you know the technical term for what you're doing, you could google that with "android" after it? (; Sorry, I know I'm not being super helpful here. This is not something I've had to deal with.
> >
> > On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> >
> >> It?s called a mobile Config file and it contains everything my photographers would need to access the company?s services (LDAP, VPN, email, Calendar) without all the attitude I get from Androids. :)
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jul 17, 2015, at 12:03 AM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com <mailto:tclug at freakzilla.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Yeah, it's called Google and it's pretty much integrated into Android (:
> >>>
> >>> Other than VPN, but VPN is also built-in to Android. How are you providing all these things for iOS users?
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I?m a total Apple-head? and I love the iPhone Configuration Utility (as it works on both the desktop and mobile platforms.
> >>>>
> >>>> But I want to offer my Android users the ability to get email, calendar, VPN, etc., in one place. Does this exist?
> >>>>
> >>>> ?
> >>>> Ryan
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
> > _______________________________________________
> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From tompoe at meltel.net  Fri Jul 17 13:16:42 2015
From: tompoe at meltel.net (Tom)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 13:16:42 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Android question
In-Reply-To: <3A533688-C202-48E6-A199-9A777A2BBFF0@cwis.biz>
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Ryan:  I thought you loved us "stupid" end users, as we help you 
bulletproof your programming schemes.  Having said that, stop the 
denigrating remarks out of courtesy for us "stupid" end users trying to 
figure out how to turn our computers on.  By the way, have you informed 
your photographers just how stupid they are?  :)
Tom

On 07/17/2015 11:20 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> Yeah and it?s total overkill.
>
> I don?t want to manage devices, I just want to send a user a 
> configuration file with all the items they need. Because, as we know, 
> end users are stupid.
>
>
>
>> On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Joel Longanecker 
>> <joel.longanecker at gmail.com <mailto:joel.longanecker at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Sounds like you need something like this.
>>
>> https://www.manageengine.com/mobile-device-management/android-management.html
>>
>> It's not cheap, but nothing corporate ever is.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz 
>> <mailto:ryan.coleman at cwis.biz>> wrote:
>>
>>     Yeah, I?ve tried that? It doesn?t seem to exist.
>>
>>     > On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:14 AM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com
>>     <mailto:tclug at freakzilla.com>> wrote:
>>     >
>>     > Hmm. The only way I can think of would be to create a package
>>     and have everyone install it. But I'm not an android developer so
>>     I'm afraid I don't know much about that.
>>     >
>>     > If you know the technical term for what you're doing, you could
>>     google that with "android" after it? (; Sorry, I know I'm not
>>     being super helpful here. This is not something I've had to deal
>>     with.
>>     >
>>     > On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>>     >
>>     >> It?s called a mobile Config file and it contains everything my
>>     photographers would need to access the company?s services (LDAP,
>>     VPN, email, Calendar) without all the attitude I get from
>>     Androids. :)
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>> On Jul 17, 2015, at 12:03 AM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com
>>     <mailto:tclug at freakzilla.com>> wrote:
>>     >>>
>>     >>> Yeah, it's called Google and it's pretty much integrated into
>>     Android (:
>>     >>>
>>     >>> Other than VPN, but VPN is also built-in to Android. How are
>>     you providing all these things for iOS users?
>>     >>>
>>     >>> On Thu, 16 Jul 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>>     >>>
>>     >>>> I?m a total Apple-head? and I love the iPhone Configuration
>>     Utility (as it works on both the desktop and mobile platforms.
>>     >>>>
>>     >>>> But I want to offer my Android users the ability to get
>>     email, calendar, VPN, etc., in one place. Does this exist?
>>     >>>>
>>     >>>> ?
>>     >>>> Ryan
>>     >>>> _______________________________________________
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>>     >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 17:52:04 2015
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 17:52:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Problem building system
Message-ID: <CABWFOjvaFzWxEFyPTjHXdNkuDjwmq322W36FTZ6vLN09+xWAAw@mail.gmail.com>

I got all the parts now and am trying to build the system.
When I power it on I get code "00" on a led.   According to
the motherboard debug info, that means:
Please check if the CPU is installed correctly and then
clear CMOS.

I thought that the two notches on the cpu were lined up
with the two things on the motherboard.  I tried lining up
the gold triangle on the cpu with something on the
motherboard but I didn't see a similar triangle on the
motherboard.  Now I'm hoping I haven't messed up
the cpu or the motherboard.  What to try next?  One bit of
good news was that the cpu fan was on the whole time.

I've removed the heat sink and am looking at the cpu
and it looks to me like those notches are lined up right.
I wasn't sure if I was putting the memory in the right
slot.  I put it in the slot furthest from the cpu/socket.
I read the motherboard manual on the memory, but
still wasn't sure.

Someone may ask me to take a picture, but I don't
have a cell phone contract for that.  Tia.  Please reply
to me directly.

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Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Fri Jul 17 17:57:25 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 17:57:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Problem building system
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjvaFzWxEFyPTjHXdNkuDjwmq322W36FTZ6vLN09+xWAAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjvaFzWxEFyPTjHXdNkuDjwmq322W36FTZ6vLN09+xWAAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1507171754520.6005@cockerel.yaron.org>

CPU sockets are usually ZIF, or Zero Insertion Force, sockets. That means 
the CPU will just drop in without you having to apply ANY preassure. The 
CPU will ABSOLUTELY NOT go in the wrong way. You would break/bend pins if 
you tried.

So... try clearing the CMOS, like it says. There's usually a jumper on the 
motherboard for that.

I don't understand what you mean by needing a cellphone contract to take a 
picture. If it has a camera, you can take a picture, and surely you can 
transfer files off your phone to the computer?...

On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Brian Wood wrote:

> I got all the parts now and am trying to build the system.
> When I power it on I get code "00" on a led. ? According to
> the motherboard debug info, that means:
> Please check if the CPU is installed correctly and then
> clear CMOS.
> 
> I thought that the two notches on the cpu were lined up
> with the two things on the motherboard.? I tried lining up
> the gold triangle on the cpu with something on the
> motherboard but I didn't see a similar triangle on the
> motherboard.? Now I'm hoping I haven't messed up
> the cpu or the motherboard.? What to try next?? One bit of
> good news was that the cpu fan was on the whole time.
> 
> I've removed the heat sink and am looking at the cpu
> and it looks to me like those notches are lined up right.
> I wasn't sure if I was putting the memory in the right
> slot.? I put it in the slot furthest from the cpu/socket.
> I read the motherboard manual on the memory, but
> still wasn't sure.
> 
> Someone may ask me to take a picture, but I don't
> have a cell phone contract for that.? Tia.? Please reply
> to me directly.?
> 
> --
> Brian
> Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
> http://webEbenezer.net
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 18:00:12 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 18:00:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Problem building system
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1507171754520.6005@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <CABWFOjvaFzWxEFyPTjHXdNkuDjwmq322W36FTZ6vLN09+xWAAw@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1507171754520.6005@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <CAJt84+NaFG+XzPhS23fw24U2nYOYh2MZ1XuxYRYVN0p8EqqXyw@mail.gmail.com>

I have nothing to add, other than the obligatory "photos would help" :-D

Normally the notches line up with the socket -- and the triangle does, too,
at the exact same time.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:

> CPU sockets are usually ZIF, or Zero Insertion Force, sockets. That means
> the CPU will just drop in without you having to apply ANY preassure. The
> CPU will ABSOLUTELY NOT go in the wrong way. You would break/bend pins if
> you tried.
>
> So... try clearing the CMOS, like it says. There's usually a jumper on the
> motherboard for that.
>
> I don't understand what you mean by needing a cellphone contract to take a
> picture. If it has a camera, you can take a picture, and surely you can
> transfer files off your phone to the computer?...
>
>
> On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Brian Wood wrote:
>
>  I got all the parts now and am trying to build the system.
>> When I power it on I get code "00" on a led.   According to
>> the motherboard debug info, that means:
>> Please check if the CPU is installed correctly and then
>> clear CMOS.
>>
>> I thought that the two notches on the cpu were lined up
>> with the two things on the motherboard.  I tried lining up
>> the gold triangle on the cpu with something on the
>> motherboard but I didn't see a similar triangle on the
>> motherboard.  Now I'm hoping I haven't messed up
>> the cpu or the motherboard.  What to try next?  One bit of
>> good news was that the cpu fan was on the whole time.
>>
>> I've removed the heat sink and am looking at the cpu
>> and it looks to me like those notches are lined up right.
>> I wasn't sure if I was putting the memory in the right
>> slot.  I put it in the slot furthest from the cpu/socket.
>> I read the motherboard manual on the memory, but
>> still wasn't sure.
>>
>> Someone may ask me to take a picture, but I don't
>> have a cell phone contract for that.  Tia.  Please reply
>> to me directly.
>>
>> --
>> Brian
>> Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
>> http://webEbenezer.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>


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President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Fri Jul 17 18:19:08 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 18:19:08 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Problem building system
In-Reply-To: <CAJt84+NaFG+XzPhS23fw24U2nYOYh2MZ1XuxYRYVN0p8EqqXyw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjvaFzWxEFyPTjHXdNkuDjwmq322W36FTZ6vLN09+xWAAw@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1507171754520.6005@cockerel.yaron.org>
 <CAJt84+NaFG+XzPhS23fw24U2nYOYh2MZ1XuxYRYVN0p8EqqXyw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B19CEFEA-90A4-469B-9040-F208A949BB36@cwis.biz>

Forget photos - we need models. CPU type, Motherboard, etc.

Brian - There?s typically an arrow on the ZIF slot for the CPU (check out these Google Images results: https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1536&bih=914&q=CPU+slot&oq=CPU+slot&gs_l=img.3..0j0i30j0i5i30j0i8i30l3j0i24l4.1836.2774.0.2925.8.8.0.0.0.0.120.703.5j3.8.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..0.8.702.diF5I_ipkww <https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1536&bih=914&q=CPU+slot&oq=CPU+slot&gs_l=img.3..0j0i30j0i5i30j0i8i30l3j0i24l4.1836.2774.0.2925.8.8.0.0.0.0.120.703.5j3.8.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..0.8.702.diF5I_ipkww>)

You will see all sorts of sockets? the 2nd one is a ZIF style connector. If you click on it and then the second image that shows in the ?similar images? spot you?ll see that this socket type has a notch in the corner where it?s missing a single ZIF pin: http://imgur.com/SevLVWG <http://imgur.com/SevLVWG> - that corresponds with the triangle of the CPU.

> On Jul 17, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com <mailto:chapinjeff at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> I have nothing to add, other than the obligatory "photos would help" :-D
> 
> Normally the notches line up with the socket -- and the triangle does, too, at the exact same time. 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com <mailto:tclug at freakzilla.com>> wrote:
> CPU sockets are usually ZIF, or Zero Insertion Force, sockets. That means the CPU will just drop in without you having to apply ANY preassure. The CPU will ABSOLUTELY NOT go in the wrong way. You would break/bend pins if you tried.
> 
> So... try clearing the CMOS, like it says. There's usually a jumper on the motherboard for that.
> 
> I don't understand what you mean by needing a cellphone contract to take a picture. If it has a camera, you can take a picture, and surely you can transfer files off your phone to the computer?...
> 
> 
> On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Brian Wood wrote:
> 
> I got all the parts now and am trying to build the system.
> When I power it on I get code "00" on a led.   According to
> the motherboard debug info, that means:
> Please check if the CPU is installed correctly and then
> clear CMOS.
> 
> I thought that the two notches on the cpu were lined up
> with the two things on the motherboard.  I tried lining up
> the gold triangle on the cpu with something on the
> motherboard but I didn't see a similar triangle on the
> motherboard.  Now I'm hoping I haven't messed up
> the cpu or the motherboard.  What to try next?  One bit of
> good news was that the cpu fan was on the whole time.
> 
> I've removed the heat sink and am looking at the cpu
> and it looks to me like those notches are lined up right.
> I wasn't sure if I was putting the memory in the right
> slot.  I put it in the slot furthest from the cpu/socket.
> I read the motherboard manual on the memory, but
> still wasn't sure.
> 
> Someone may ask me to take a picture, but I don't
> have a cell phone contract for that.  Tia.  Please reply
> to me directly. 
> 
> --
> Brian
> Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
> http://webEbenezer.net <http://webebenezer.net/>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

> On Jul 17, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have nothing to add, other than the obligatory "photos would help" :-D
> 
> Normally the notches line up with the socket -- and the triangle does, too, at the exact same time. 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 5:57 PM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com <mailto:tclug at freakzilla.com>> wrote:
> CPU sockets are usually ZIF, or Zero Insertion Force, sockets. That means the CPU will just drop in without you having to apply ANY preassure. The CPU will ABSOLUTELY NOT go in the wrong way. You would break/bend pins if you tried.
> 
> So... try clearing the CMOS, like it says. There's usually a jumper on the motherboard for that.
> 
> I don't understand what you mean by needing a cellphone contract to take a picture. If it has a camera, you can take a picture, and surely you can transfer files off your phone to the computer?...
> 
> 
> On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Brian Wood wrote:
> 
> I got all the parts now and am trying to build the system.
> When I power it on I get code "00" on a led.   According to
> the motherboard debug info, that means:
> Please check if the CPU is installed correctly and then
> clear CMOS.
> 
> I thought that the two notches on the cpu were lined up
> with the two things on the motherboard.  I tried lining up
> the gold triangle on the cpu with something on the
> motherboard but I didn't see a similar triangle on the
> motherboard.  Now I'm hoping I haven't messed up
> the cpu or the motherboard.  What to try next?  One bit of
> good news was that the cpu fan was on the whole time.
> 
> I've removed the heat sink and am looking at the cpu
> and it looks to me like those notches are lined up right.
> I wasn't sure if I was putting the memory in the right
> slot.  I put it in the slot furthest from the cpu/socket.
> I read the motherboard manual on the memory, but
> still wasn't sure.
> 
> Someone may ask me to take a picture, but I don't
> have a cell phone contract for that.  Tia.  Please reply
> to me directly. 
> 
> --
> Brian
> Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
> http://webEbenezer.net <http://webebenezer.net/>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeff Chapin
> President, CedarLug, retired
> President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
> President, UNI Scuba Club
> Senator, NISG, retired
> _______________________________________________
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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 20:27:09 2015
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 20:27:09 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Problem building system
Message-ID: <CABWFOjsYqaRa0sfEsyYABL3VjwL2KMrK9s5e1MKV_HTyy9g_Ag@mail.gmail.com>

Clug writes:

> CPU sockets are usually ZIF, or Zero Insertion Force, sockets. That means
> the CPU will just drop in without you having to apply ANY preassure. The
> CPU will ABSOLUTELY NOT go in the wrong way. You would break/bend pins if
> you tried.
>

I had watched a video about that and that's what I tried to
do.  I placed the cpu in the socket and didn't think it looked
quite right so I picked it back up and set it back down again.
Then I put the arm down.


>
> So... try clearing the CMOS, like it says. There's usually a jumper on the
> motherboard for that.

I removed the battery and then put it back and tried booting,
I did that two times, but got the "00" code still.

These are the components.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=i3+4370&N=-1&isNodeId=1

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157561&cm_re=asrock_c226m-_-13-157-561-_-Product

-- 
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Ebenezer Enterprises
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Fri Jul 17 20:44:48 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 20:44:48 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Problem building system
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjsYqaRa0sfEsyYABL3VjwL2KMrK9s5e1MKV_HTyy9g_Ag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjsYqaRa0sfEsyYABL3VjwL2KMrK9s5e1MKV_HTyy9g_Ag@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1507172044140.5010@cockerel.yaron.org>

The battery might not do it. Look through the manual or look for a jumper 
that says CMOS or CMOS RESET. Newegg won't let me zoom in on the picture 
so I can't look for itmyself.

On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Brian Wood wrote:

> Clug writes:
> 
> > CPU sockets are usually ZIF, or Zero Insertion Force, sockets. That means
> > the CPU will just drop in without you having to apply ANY preassure. The
> > CPU will ABSOLUTELY NOT go in the wrong way. You would break/bend pins if
> > you tried.
> >
> 
> I had watched a video about that and that's what I tried to
> do.? I placed the cpu in the socket and didn't think it looked
> quite right so I picked it back up and set it back down again.
> Then I put the arm down.
> 
> 
> >
> > So... try clearing the CMOS, like it says. There's usually a jumper on the
> > motherboard for that.
> 
> I removed the battery and then put it back and tried booting,
> I did that two times, but got the "00" code still.
> 
> These are the components.
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=i3+4370&N=-1&isNodeId=1
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157561&cm_re=asrock_c226m-_-13-157-561-_-Product
> 
> --
> Brian
> Ebenezer Enterprises
> http://webEbenezer.net
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 20:47:30 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 20:47:30 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Problem building system
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjsYqaRa0sfEsyYABL3VjwL2KMrK9s5e1MKV_HTyy9g_Ag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjsYqaRa0sfEsyYABL3VjwL2KMrK9s5e1MKV_HTyy9g_Ag@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJt84+OZbQm_xh70QoHFuRepP4ZSkDfbRROObYYyCUusa2-BhA@mail.gmail.com>

Is there any gap between the cpu and socket?

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Clug writes:
>
> > CPU sockets are usually ZIF, or Zero Insertion Force, sockets. That means
> > the CPU will just drop in without you having to apply ANY preassure. The
> > CPU will ABSOLUTELY NOT go in the wrong way. You would break/bend pins if
> > you tried.
> >
>
> I had watched a video about that and that's what I tried to
> do.  I placed the cpu in the socket and didn't think it looked
> quite right so I picked it back up and set it back down again.
> Then I put the arm down.
>
>
> >
> > So... try clearing the CMOS, like it says. There's usually a jumper on
> the
> > motherboard for that.
>
> I removed the battery and then put it back and tried booting,
> I did that two times, but got the "00" code still.
>
> These are the components.
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=i3+4370&N=-1&isNodeId=1
>
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157561&cm_re=asrock_c226m-_-13-157-561-_-Product
>
> --
> Brian
> Ebenezer Enterprises
> http://webEbenezer.net
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>


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President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Fri Jul 17 20:49:35 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2015 20:49:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Problem building system
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The CMOS reset is actually two heads just south of the button battery in this photo: http://www.asrockrack.com/WS/C226M%20WS-1(L).jpg <http://www.asrockrack.com/WS/C226M%20WS-1(L).jpg>


> On Jul 17, 2015, at 8:44 PM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> 
> The battery might not do it. Look through the manual or look for a jumper that says CMOS or CMOS RESET. Newegg won't let me zoom in on the picture so I can't look for itmyself.
> 
> On Fri, 17 Jul 2015, Brian Wood wrote:
> 
>> Clug writes:
>> > CPU sockets are usually ZIF, or Zero Insertion Force, sockets. That means
>> > the CPU will just drop in without you having to apply ANY preassure. The
>> > CPU will ABSOLUTELY NOT go in the wrong way. You would break/bend pins if
>> > you tried.
>> >
>> I had watched a video about that and that's what I tried to
>> do.  I placed the cpu in the socket and didn't think it looked
>> quite right so I picked it back up and set it back down again.
>> Then I put the arm down.
>> >
>> > So... try clearing the CMOS, like it says. There's usually a jumper on the
>> > motherboard for that.
>> I removed the battery and then put it back and tried booting,
>> I did that two times, but got the "00" code still.
>> These are the components.
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=i3+4370&N=-1&isNodeId=1
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157561&cm_re=asrock_c226m-_-13-157-561-_-Product
>> --
>> Brian
>> Ebenezer Enterprises
>> http://webEbenezer.net
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From justin.kremer at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 08:17:48 2015
From: justin.kremer at gmail.com (Justin Kremer)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 08:17:48 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Problem building system
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Brian,
The good news is that it is nearly impossible to screw something up by
improperly seating an LGA1150 CPU.
I've seen someone manage to do it, but that was a very special case.
The pins are built into the socket, not the CPU, and they sit nearly
horizontally, so the only way to bend a pin is to scrape the socket
horizontally somehow.
As far as seating goes, it is possible to seat the socket improperly,
but it should be obvious, if you take a second look.
You're looking for this:
http://www.geforce.cn/sites/default/files-editorial/attachments/installation-11.png
Note the two bumps that line up precisely, and allow the CPU to just
fall into place.
Also, often you will see a matching arrow, either somewhere on the
motherboard, or on top of the metal piece that flips down over the top
of the CPU.  Another indicator can be that sometimes a manufacturer
will make the socket square in all but one corner.  The corner that
the arrow should line up with may be chopped off at an angle, like
seen here: http://media.bestofmicro.com/L/J/399943/original/03fig15.jpg

Something very strange I have seen before is that sometimes if you get
a motherboard that has been sitting in stock for a while, it may have
an old BIOS revision.  The manufacturer's page may list your CPU as
supported, but if you dig through documentation, you may find that it
is only supported after a certain BIOS revision.  Of course, you can't
find out which revision is on your motherboard without first putting
in a supported CPU, which I'm guessing you don't just have lying
around.  Maybe if you're lucky there's some label on the box where
they recorded the revision during the manufacturing process.  That
could at least point you in the right direction.

One other thing to note, often the CPU fan will turn on, but rev down
to a reasonable speed.  If the fan is blowing full blast and doesn't
rev down while the computer is booting up, that's usually a sign that
something is wrong.

I hope that helps.
- Justin

On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 5:52 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I got all the parts now and am trying to build the system.
> When I power it on I get code "00" on a led.   According to
> the motherboard debug info, that means:
> Please check if the CPU is installed correctly and then
> clear CMOS.
>
> I thought that the two notches on the cpu were lined up
> with the two things on the motherboard.  I tried lining up
> the gold triangle on the cpu with something on the
> motherboard but I didn't see a similar triangle on the
> motherboard.  Now I'm hoping I haven't messed up
> the cpu or the motherboard.  What to try next?  One bit of
> good news was that the cpu fan was on the whole time.
>
> I've removed the heat sink and am looking at the cpu
> and it looks to me like those notches are lined up right.
> I wasn't sure if I was putting the memory in the right
> slot.  I put it in the slot furthest from the cpu/socket.
> I read the motherboard manual on the memory, but
> still wasn't sure.
>
> Someone may ask me to take a picture, but I don't
> have a cell phone contract for that.  Tia.  Please reply
> to me directly.
>
> --
> Brian
> Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
> http://webEbenezer.net
>
>
>
>
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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 09:30:00 2015
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 09:30:00 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Problem building system
Message-ID: <CABWFOjtKJdNYdcgruV+Mz8ir3me1oHG9zyC=3Ehym_qkgxHE+w@mail.gmail.com>

Ryan Coleman writes:

> The CMOS reset is actually two heads just south of the button battery in
this photo:
http://www.asrockrack.com/WS/C226M%20WS-1(L).jpg
<http://www.asrockrack.com/WS/C226M%20WS-1%28L%29.jpg> <
http://www.asrockrack.com/WS/C226M%20WS-1(L).jpg
<http://www.asrockrack.com/WS/C226M%20WS-1%28L%29.jpg>>

I saw that there were two things inside of a white circle and
it said "clrmos2" or something like that, but I wasn't sure what
to do with those two things and still don't know.

-- 
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - "I have hope for America because of Jesus
Christ (Messiah)."  Billy Graham

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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 13:39:12 2015
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 13:39:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Problem building system
Message-ID: <CABWFOjsfs61-74yjVws30sDZc21G4AhqC+=mhGz4H931eKJB9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Previously I wrote:
> I saw that there were two things inside of a white circle and
> it said "clrmos2" or something like that, but I wasn't sure what
> to do with those two things and still don't know.

I figured out from some duckduckgoing that I could clear
the cmos by using a screwdriver and touching those two
things at the same time.  I tried that several times and still
got the "00" code after it booted.  Another time when I was
touching those things with the screwdriver, the machine turned
on by itself without me pushing the power button, but that
resulted in the same thing.

One thought I had was taking the cpu over to someone's
with an lga 1150 motherboard.  I wouldn't mind letting you
put the cpu in place.  I'm hoping to get some good news and
find that at least the cpu is fine.  Any volunteers?

-- 
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises
http://webEbenezer.net
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From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 15:17:04 2015
From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 15:17:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Solder skills / equip / tomato capable router?
In-Reply-To: <CAFjzMdx2Rs6GVBCW9d0dSUv2rjr3uZm-PCUZpckM11LGRcSGag@mail.gmail.com>
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On 07/16/2015 09:24 AM, Andrew Dahl wrote:
> Hey Dan,
>
> I'd be willing to take a crack at it.  I'm no expert in soldering, but I've recapped the 
> soundboard of an arcade cabinet (https://goo.gl/photos/HVJEzMNoCFFdtKMq9) and, after a 
> few attempts, re-soldered an HDMI port back on to a TV... so, I could definitely be 
> worse. :-)
>
> Unfortunately, I don't have any router suggestions at the moment.  The two in my home 
> are none too stellar.  A friend of mine does have a Netgear Nighthawk he raves about.  
> The range is pretty stellar, but the price is definitely not.  I'm also unsure if it 
> would run Tomato or not.
>
> -Andrew
>


Hi, Thanks,

Yevgeniy offered to take a crack at it as well.  I've ordered some new caps to replace the 
bad ones... when they arrive, I'll see who has an open schedule.

Thanks!

Dan

From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Sun Jul 19 15:02:34 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 15:02:34 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Problem building system
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Two things:
1) Read the manual that came with the motherboard and learn how to reset the CMOS. RTFM is SOP. Always.
2) You short the heads. Use a small screwdriver.

> On Jul 18, 2015, at 9:30 AM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I saw that there were two things inside of a white circle and
> it said "clrmos2" or something like that, but I wasn't sure what
> to do with those two things and still don't know.

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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Sun Jul 19 15:06:52 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 15:06:52 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Problem building system
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> On Jul 18, 2015, at 1:39 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Previously I wrote:
> > I saw that there were two things inside of a white circle and
> > it said "clrmos2" or something like that, but I wasn't sure what
> > to do with those two things and still don't know.
> 
> I figured out from some duckduckgoing that I could clear
> the cmos by using a screwdriver and touching those two
> things at the same time. 
Good. Always try on your own first.

> I tried that several times and still 
> got the "00" code after it booted. 

>> Please check if the CPU is installed correctly and then 
>> clear CMOS.

Remove the cooler. Remove the fan. seat the CPU. Turn on the board. Does it still say 00? *DO NOT LEAVE IT LIKE THIS FOR LONG* as you will burn out the CPU (if you haven?t already). You might have also burned out the motherboard.

Troubleshooting: strip it down the the minimum: a little RAM, the CPU, a video card (if you need it) and nothing more. 

> 
> Another time when I was 
> touching those things with the screwdriver, the machine turned 
> on by itself without me pushing the power button, but that 
> resulted in the same thing.

Yes, there?s another spot on the board that will allow you to start/stop the computer in the same way. But if you touched more than just those two leads you might have made things worse.

> 
> One thought I had was taking the cpu over to someone's
> with an lga 1150 motherboard.  I wouldn't mind letting you
> put the cpu in place.  I'm hoping to get some good news and 
> find that at least the cpu is fine.  Any volunteers?

Can you send photos or post them on someplace like IMGUR please? Have you tried running the board outside of your case, but on a piece of cardboard or hardwood bench? You could even have a short in the case that you didn?t see (the most common issue IMO).



> 
> -- 
> Brian 
> Ebenezer Enterprises
> http://webEbenezer.net <http://webebenezer.net/>
> 
> 
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From daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com  Sun Jul 19 17:08:54 2015
From: daniel.armbrust.list at gmail.com (Dan Armbrust)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 17:08:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Problem building system
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>
> Can you send photos or post them on someplace like IMGUR please? Have you tried running 
> the board outside of your case, but on a piece of cardboard or hardwood bench? You could 
> even have a short in the case that you didn?t see (the most common issue IMO).
>
>
>

Pull the board and check this.... IIRC, at one point, you said you were surprised to see 
that the case came with the risers already in place for the board.....

Since they didn't know what board you were putting in, its very possible you have an extra 
riser somewhere, shorting something. Pull the board, triple check that the risers are only 
where they are supposed to be (and  you have a screw in each one)

Reinstall the board, CPU, and heatsink.  No RAM, nothing else. Start it up, see if you get 
the same error.  (It may fail with a no memory failure, but this is likely a good thing, 
if it gets past CPU check)  Don't run for long without a fan.

Someone else suggested you could run without a heat sink as well... make sure you don't 
run long like this... granted, Intel chips are pretty good about thermal protecting 
themselves these days... but you still risk letting the magic smoke out.

I share the frustration.. one of the last ones I built was using all 8 slots for RAM... 
turned out, 3 of the RAM modules I had were bad - one was a hard fault - wouldn't even 
post with it installed, and two of the others had subtle errors that memtest found.  It 
took a long time to narrow down the problematic components....

Also, you do have the Aux power hooked up from the power supply to the MB, right (the 8 
pin one on top of the MB)

For my own curiosity... why on earth is this board so expensive? Because they put the word 
"server" in the title?

Dan

From kenlynes at usa.net  Sun Jul 19 19:29:20 2015
From: kenlynes at usa.net (Kenneth Lynes)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 19:29:20 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] reply to Brian, Vol 127, Issue 20
Message-ID: <128TgTaCu7920S03.1437352160@web03.cms.usa.net>

Hi Brian, I was expecting to be at the meeting Sat but could not come. I can
tell you this: Do Not short out the cmos jumpers with the power supply on!
You are to move the jumper from its present setting of 1-2 to 2-3 for a few
moments and then put the jumper back on 1-2.
This is a pretty common configuration.
I just hope you have not done any harm to the cmos by shorting pins. You may
be lucky and done it while no power was supplied to the motherboard as it
would be if up and running.
If you look up the motherboard on line and download the manual it will
probably tell you the codes for the leds that you see. Not sure what 00 would
be but it is probably either saying no cpu or a ram problem.
Normally a board will boot up or post with ram in either of the two slots but
some require ram in both slots or in a case where there are 4 slots to be in
at least two of them.
Check to see your cpu is in place as suggested before and then before putting
on the cpu fan and heatsink, be sure to use the cpu grease as required. I also
wonder if you did plug in the set of wires which plug into the motherboard
near the cpu. These are the ones labeled as going to the cpu from the power
supply. At least a plug with 4 wires on it but in most later mb's it is
usually 6 or 8 wires.
You can call me if you wish. I am in Mpls 612-331-7429
Ken

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> Previously I wrote:
> > I saw that there were two things inside of a white circle and
> > it said "clrmos2" or something like that, but I wasn't sure what
> > to do with those two things and still don't know.
> 
> I figured out from some duckduckgoing that I could clear
> the cmos by using a screwdriver and touching those two
> things at the same time.  I tried that several times and still
> got the "00" code after it booted.  Another time when I was
> touching those things with the screwdriver, the machine turned
> on by itself without me pushing the power button, but that
> resulted in the same thing.
> 
> One thought I had was taking the cpu over to someone's
> with an lga 1150 motherboard.  I wouldn't mind letting you
> put the cpu in place.  I'm hoping to get some good news and
> find that at least the cpu is fine.  Any volunteers?
> 
> -- 
> Brian
> Ebenezer Enterprises
> http://webEbenezer.net
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Sun Jul 19 20:15:53 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 20:15:53 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] reply to Brian, Vol 127, Issue 20
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There are no jumpers on this ASUS board, Ken.

If you read the rest of the thread you?d see we covered all of these items?


> On Jul 19, 2015, at 7:29 PM, Kenneth Lynes <kenlynes at usa.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Brian, I was expecting to be at the meeting Sat but could not come. I can
> tell you this: Do Not short out the cmos jumpers with the power supply on!
> You are to move the jumper from its present setting of 1-2 to 2-3 for a few
> moments and then put the jumper back on 1-2.
> This is a pretty common configuration.
> I just hope you have not done any harm to the cmos by shorting pins. You may
> be lucky and done it while no power was supplied to the motherboard as it
> would be if up and running.
> If you look up the motherboard on line and download the manual it will
> probably tell you the codes for the leds that you see. Not sure what 00 would
> be but it is probably either saying no cpu or a ram problem.
> Normally a board will boot up or post with ram in either of the two slots but
> some require ram in both slots or in a case where there are 4 slots to be in
> at least two of them.
> Check to see your cpu is in place as suggested before and then before putting
> on the cpu fan and heatsink, be sure to use the cpu grease as required. I also
> wonder if you did plug in the set of wires which plug into the motherboard
> near the cpu. These are the ones labeled as going to the cpu from the power
> supply. At least a plug with 4 wires on it but in most later mb's it is
> usually 6 or 8 wires.
> You can call me if you wish. I am in Mpls 612-331-7429
> Ken
> 
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>> 
>> Previously I wrote:
>>> I saw that there were two things inside of a white circle and
>>> it said "clrmos2" or something like that, but I wasn't sure what
>>> to do with those two things and still don't know.
>> 
>> I figured out from some duckduckgoing that I could clear
>> the cmos by using a screwdriver and touching those two
>> things at the same time.  I tried that several times and still
>> got the "00" code after it booted.  Another time when I was
>> touching those things with the screwdriver, the machine turned
>> on by itself without me pushing the power button, but that
>> resulted in the same thing.
>> 
>> One thought I had was taking the cpu over to someone's
>> with an lga 1150 motherboard.  I wouldn't mind letting you
>> put the cpu in place.  I'm hoping to get some good news and
>> find that at least the cpu is fine.  Any volunteers?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Brian
>> Ebenezer Enterprises
>> http://webEbenezer.net
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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 19 22:09:00 2015
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 22:09:00 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Problem building system
Message-ID: <CABWFOjuwn1=B4fCapHkPgW6hYGONCT3PiBZthWceoEsx8buL+w@mail.gmail.com>

Ryan Coleman writes:

> Troubleshooting: strip it down the the minimum: a little RAM, the CPU, a
video card (if > you need it) and nothing more.

I have tried it with no ram but the same result.  I read somewhere that
you can't rule out the power converter (supply) yet either.  I figured that
since the cpu fan  and led lights were working, that the power converter
was fine, but guess that's assuming too much.  I'm not sure how to try
to narrow it down to one of those components at this time.

I've been testing this outside the case on the cardboard box the whole
time.

-- 
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - "There are only two races in the world -- the decent
and the indecent."  Viktor Frankl

http://webEbenezer.net
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Mon Jul 20 08:19:22 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 08:19:22 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Problem building system
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjuwn1=B4fCapHkPgW6hYGONCT3PiBZthWceoEsx8buL+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjuwn1=B4fCapHkPgW6hYGONCT3PiBZthWceoEsx8buL+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2577F77A-A044-4B8D-931E-EC4E52BBE7D2@cwis.biz>

Ok so likelihood is you?ve ruled out a short? next step is you should try another PSU to eliminate that (a $15 test - you don?t need more than 300W to do a benchdesk test).

Can you produce photos as I?ve requested now three times? I?d like to see how you have the CPU set on the socket and the general connections for power. As someone mentioned there?s a utility power connection that I?ve usually seen in proximity to the CPUs that?s 8 pins. Are you using that?

Thanks,
Ryan


> On Jul 19, 2015, at 10:09 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ryan Coleman writes:
> 
> > Troubleshooting: strip it down the the minimum: a little RAM, the CPU, a video card (if > you need it) and nothing more.
> 
> I have tried it with no ram but the same result.  I read somewhere that 
> you can't rule out the power converter (supply) yet either.  I figured that 
> since the cpu fan  and led lights were working, that the power converter 
> was fine, but guess that's assuming too much.  I'm not sure how to try 
> to narrow it down to one of those components at this time.  
> 
> I've been testing this outside the case on the cardboard box the whole 
> time. 
> 
> -- 
> Brian
> Ebenezer Enterprises - "There are only two races in the world -- the decent 
> and the indecent."  Viktor Frankl
> 
> http://webEbenezer.net <http://webebenezer.net/>
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Mon Jul 27 22:08:28 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 22:08:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Setting up custom FreeRADIUS SQL
Message-ID: <1D8A8071-7210-45A9-985A-84BC9F04D50F@cwis.biz>

So I have a need (nay, a want) to have a basic FreeRADIUS server that goes off an existing database and table layout whose task is simply geared towards authenticating VPN users. 

I know I can have a custom database for FreeRADIUS but it?s a standalone one for the service. 

Has anyone set this up? I?m running Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS and would prefer to have the job handled by an existing thin server behind my firewall, on my VM farm. The server I hope to put it on is running my syslog server for 5 different sites, a basic BIND service, has 512MB and 1 CPU core (off a Xeon E5-2630).

Am I hoping for too much? I would prefer to not have to write an additional hook into my user creation/authentication/management to update yet another database (I?m already doing two).

Thanks,
Ryan

From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Mon Jul 27 22:50:13 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 22:50:13 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Setting up custom FreeRADIUS SQL
In-Reply-To: <1D8A8071-7210-45A9-985A-84BC9F04D50F@cwis.biz>
References: <1D8A8071-7210-45A9-985A-84BC9F04D50F@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <D83100EB-EB02-456D-B691-742FE1E529A0@cwis.biz>

Another possibility would be having an LDAP front end that read the MySQL database. I have not had any luck with that in the past.


> On Jul 27, 2015, at 10:08 PM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
> 
> So I have a need (nay, a want) to have a basic FreeRADIUS server that goes off an existing database and table layout whose task is simply geared towards authenticating VPN users. 
> 
> I know I can have a custom database for FreeRADIUS but it?s a standalone one for the service. 
> 
> Has anyone set this up? I?m running Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS and would prefer to have the job handled by an existing thin server behind my firewall, on my VM farm. The server I hope to put it on is running my syslog server for 5 different sites, a basic BIND service, has 512MB and 1 CPU core (off a Xeon E5-2630).
> 
> Am I hoping for too much? I would prefer to not have to write an additional hook into my user creation/authentication/management to update yet another database (I?m already doing two).
> 
> Thanks,
> Ryan
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Mon Jul 27 22:51:32 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 22:51:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Problem building system
In-Reply-To: <2577F77A-A044-4B8D-931E-EC4E52BBE7D2@cwis.biz>
References: <CABWFOjuwn1=B4fCapHkPgW6hYGONCT3PiBZthWceoEsx8buL+w@mail.gmail.com>
 <2577F77A-A044-4B8D-931E-EC4E52BBE7D2@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <E668AA2A-7F87-4204-9B2B-285870C5CC4B@cwis.biz>

Brian - did you ever find the issue or were you electrocuted in the process?


> On Jul 20, 2015, at 8:19 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
> 
> Ok so likelihood is you?ve ruled out a short? next step is you should try another PSU to eliminate that (a $15 test - you don?t need more than 300W to do a benchdesk test).
> 
> Can you produce photos as I?ve requested now three times? I?d like to see how you have the CPU set on the socket and the general connections for power. As someone mentioned there?s a utility power connection that I?ve usually seen in proximity to the CPUs that?s 8 pins. Are you using that?
> 
> Thanks,
> Ryan
> 
> 
>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 10:09 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com <mailto:woodbrian77 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ryan Coleman writes:
>> 
>> > Troubleshooting: strip it down the the minimum: a little RAM, the CPU, a video card (if > you need it) and nothing more.
>> 
>> I have tried it with no ram but the same result.  I read somewhere that 
>> you can't rule out the power converter (supply) yet either.  I figured that 
>> since the cpu fan  and led lights were working, that the power converter 
>> was fine, but guess that's assuming too much.  I'm not sure how to try 
>> to narrow it down to one of those components at this time.  
>> 
>> I've been testing this outside the case on the cardboard box the whole 
>> time. 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Brian
>> Ebenezer Enterprises - "There are only two races in the world -- the decent 
>> and the indecent."  Viktor Frankl
>> 
>> http://webEbenezer.net <http://webebenezer.net/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 14:15:00 2015
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 14:15:00 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Problem building system
Message-ID: <CABWFOjvig8pjaWwtgn2NaLysyNZsfPvcuZoYFeWJ6iWMA-6OKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ryan Coleman writes:
>
> Brian - did you ever find the issue or were you electrocuted in the
process?
>

No, I haven't figured it out yet.  I talked to Microcenter about doing
some diagnostics.  I'd be willing to pay the $40, but they won't let me
watch the technician.  I want to make sure I walk out with the same
chip I walked in with and so forth.  So I'm looking for another company
to test the parts.

And, yes, I always had both the 24 pin and 8 pin power cables connected.


-- 
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
http://webEbenezer.net
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Tue Jul 28 14:22:58 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 14:22:58 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Problem building system
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjvig8pjaWwtgn2NaLysyNZsfPvcuZoYFeWJ6iWMA-6OKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjvig8pjaWwtgn2NaLysyNZsfPvcuZoYFeWJ6iWMA-6OKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <324BEEE8-EC6F-47A0-8A6E-E89AC36CEA45@cwis.biz>


> On Jul 28, 2015, at 2:15 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ryan Coleman writes:
> >
> > Brian - did you ever find the issue or were you electrocuted in the process?
> >
> 
> No, I haven't figured it out yet.  I talked to Microcenter about doing
> some diagnostics.  I'd be willing to pay the $40, but they won't let me 
> watch the technician.  I want to make sure I walk out with the same 
> chip I walked in with and so forth.  So I'm looking for another company
> to test the parts.

Why is this a concern? They wouldn?t send you with different parts without charging you for them. You can always record the serial numbers of the board, RAM and CPU before you go there and compare when you return. I suggest photos instead of written as time stamps on images are unrefutable. Especially when they are still stored on the original device (mobile phone).

> And, yes, I always had both the 24 pin and 8 pin power cables connected.

K.

From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 14:48:15 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 14:48:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Problem building system
In-Reply-To: <324BEEE8-EC6F-47A0-8A6E-E89AC36CEA45@cwis.biz>
References: <CABWFOjvig8pjaWwtgn2NaLysyNZsfPvcuZoYFeWJ6iWMA-6OKQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <324BEEE8-EC6F-47A0-8A6E-E89AC36CEA45@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <CAJt84+PM8ASTMEKwxvS6=ihPe1J3yeAv2b13V-a9YRyEg0-MgA@mail.gmail.com>

I could understand wanting to learn the process and watch them for that
reason -- but thinking they are going to swap out parts on you seems a bit
paranoid.

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:

>
> > On Jul 28, 2015, at 2:15 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ryan Coleman writes:
> > >
> > > Brian - did you ever find the issue or were you electrocuted in the
> process?
> > >
> >
> > No, I haven't figured it out yet.  I talked to Microcenter about doing
> > some diagnostics.  I'd be willing to pay the $40, but they won't let me
> > watch the technician.  I want to make sure I walk out with the same
> > chip I walked in with and so forth.  So I'm looking for another company
> > to test the parts.
>
> Why is this a concern? They wouldn?t send you with different parts without
> charging you for them. You can always record the serial numbers of the
> board, RAM and CPU before you go there and compare when you return. I
> suggest photos instead of written as time stamps on images are unrefutable.
> Especially when they are still stored on the original device (mobile phone).
>
> > And, yes, I always had both the 24 pin and 8 pin power cables connected.
>
> K.
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 18:15:42 2015
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 18:15:42 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Problem building system
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjvig8pjaWwtgn2NaLysyNZsfPvcuZoYFeWJ6iWMA-6OKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjvig8pjaWwtgn2NaLysyNZsfPvcuZoYFeWJ6iWMA-6OKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABWFOjt1vvp5ohfJj-i1RcRhjuUNkS74px3ooAVfu6Q8yym8fg@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> No, I haven't figured it out yet.  I talked to Microcenter about doing
> some diagnostics.  I'd be willing to pay the $40, but they won't let me
> watch the technician.  I want to make sure I walk out with the same
> chip I walked in with and so forth.  So I'm looking for another company
> to test the parts.
>
>
I took the parts here

http://maxcomputer1.com/

He had a bench and work area and I was able to have input in the
process and watch what he was doing. His verdict was that the power
converter (supply) and motherboard are bad and that the cpu and ram
are good.   He also charged less than Microcenter wanted.

I was surprised the power converter was bad, but he checked it
several times.

-- 
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - John 3:16
http://webEbenezer.net
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Tue Jul 28 20:29:43 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 20:29:43 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Problem building system
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjt1vvp5ohfJj-i1RcRhjuUNkS74px3ooAVfu6Q8yym8fg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjvig8pjaWwtgn2NaLysyNZsfPvcuZoYFeWJ6iWMA-6OKQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABWFOjt1vvp5ohfJj-i1RcRhjuUNkS74px3ooAVfu6Q8yym8fg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C1FE47A7-B2BE-4339-A8E5-E12F4B7064E8@cwis.biz>


> On Jul 28, 2015, at 6:15 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com <mailto:woodbrian77 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> No, I haven't figured it out yet.  I talked to Microcenter about doing
> some diagnostics.  I'd be willing to pay the $40, but they won't let me 
> watch the technician.  I want to make sure I walk out with the same 
> chip I walked in with and so forth.  So I'm looking for another company
> to test the parts.
> 
> 
> I took the parts here
> 
> http://maxcomputer1.com/ <http://maxcomputer1.com/>
> 
> He had a bench and work area and I was able to have input in the
> process and watch what he was doing. His verdict was that the power 
> converter (supply) and motherboard are bad and that the cpu and ram 
> are good.   He also charged less than Microcenter wanted.
> 
> I was surprised the power converter was bad, but he checked it 
> several times.

I?m not. I commented on that item specifically. $10-15 would have confirmed that, but it would have required a functioning motherboard to be certain. Although you could have tested the PSU with a $5 multimeter and a paperclip (to short the ?power on? pair) without much trouble.

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From kc0iog at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 23:27:45 2015
From: kc0iog at gmail.com (Brian Wall)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 23:27:45 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Setting up custom FreeRADIUS SQL
In-Reply-To: <D83100EB-EB02-456D-B691-742FE1E529A0@cwis.biz>
References: <1D8A8071-7210-45A9-985A-84BC9F04D50F@cwis.biz>
 <D83100EB-EB02-456D-B691-742FE1E529A0@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <CAB3QoPm7up5erY+e0BWci19qFc7EYC_QsKxUzmo=NdgKJuVw1A@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 10:50 PM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
> Another possibility would be having an LDAP front end that read the MySQL database. I have not had any luck with that in the past.

If that's the case, what value does the SQL database give you?  Why
not just use a directory based product?
http://opensource.com/business/14/5/top-4-open-source-ldap-implementations

Not mentioned, you could also set up Samba 4 as an Active Directory
server.  FreeRADIUS should be able to authenticate against any LDAP
source.

Brian

From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Thu Jul 30 09:19:28 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 09:19:28 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Setting up custom FreeRADIUS SQL
In-Reply-To: <CAB3QoPm7up5erY+e0BWci19qFc7EYC_QsKxUzmo=NdgKJuVw1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1D8A8071-7210-45A9-985A-84BC9F04D50F@cwis.biz>
 <D83100EB-EB02-456D-B691-742FE1E529A0@cwis.biz>
 <CAB3QoPm7up5erY+e0BWci19qFc7EYC_QsKxUzmo=NdgKJuVw1A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E4B288BA-CF96-46AF-B5EF-EA7AA56C1BC5@cwis.biz>


> On Jul 29, 2015, at 11:27 PM, Brian Wall <kc0iog at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 10:50 PM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
>> Another possibility would be having an LDAP front end that read the MySQL database. I have not had any luck with that in the past.
> 
> If that's the case, what value does the SQL database give you?  Why
> not just use a directory based product?
> http://opensource.com/business/14/5/top-4-open-source-ldap-implementations <http://opensource.com/business/14/5/top-4-open-source-ldap-implementations>

I had so many issues when I ran OpenLDAP that I had to dump the whole thing and re-build my authentication scripts to run off the MySQL server. This way I can have my scripts maintain the SQL data and when I need an LDAP interface I can do it off that data.

> Not mentioned, you could also set up Samba 4 as an Active Directory
> server.  FreeRADIUS should be able to authenticate against any LDAP
> source.

This is something I hadn?t thought of? still a PITA but the tools of management are far more robust. 

Thanks!
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Fri Jul 31 12:51:21 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2015 12:51:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for Rack nuts and screws / FS: IBM Server Rack
Message-ID: <B77447F8-35E1-49AE-9D48-FFD74774D521@cwis.biz>

I am in need of 2 dozen bolts and nuts (cage nuts) for my Tripp Lite cabinet. I have the IBM clip nuts in trade (either 100 or 200 in bag - never used) I?d love to do a part-for-part trade but I really would like to move all my gear and get it racked this weekend so I can get it out of my living room.

Comparison: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/bladectr/documentation/topic/com.ibm.bladecenter.8886.doc/dw1be002.jpg <http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/bladectr/documentation/topic/com.ibm.bladecenter.8886.doc/dw1be002.jpg>
I want what?s on the left, I have what?s on the right.

I also have a full-height IBM cabinet with doors and sides that I bought 2 years ago but it?s too big/heavy to get into my apartment or basement. $350 OBO. You come pick it up, take it away. I can get photos later for interested persons. And, yes, that would include the $100 in clips/screws that are new in package (assuming they?re not used in trade).


Thanks!

?
Ryan
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