From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org  Fri Jun  5 22:43:37 2015
From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2015 22:43:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] JTAG adapter
Message-ID: <55726C69.6080903@tomobiki.dyndns.org>

Does anyone have or know of a local place where I can get a JTAG 
adapter. I'm trying to restore a pogoplug device that I bricked.

Thanks,
Joseph Key

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From andrew at lunn.ch  Fri Jun  5 23:01:12 2015
From: andrew at lunn.ch (Andrew Lunn)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2015 06:01:12 +0200
Subject: [tclug-list] JTAG adapter
In-Reply-To: <55726C69.6080903@tomobiki.dyndns.org>
References: <55726C69.6080903@tomobiki.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <20150606040112.GA3975@lunn.ch>

On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 10:43:37PM -0500, Joseph Key wrote:
> Does anyone have or know of a local place where I can get a JTAG
> adapter. I'm trying to restore a pogoplug device that I bricked.

Hi Joseph

You might not need JTAG.

Pogoplug uses a Marvell Kirkwood CPU. The BootROM allows it to boot
over serial. Look in the u-boot sources for the utility kwboot. It
allows you to download a u-boot into RAM and then execute it. You can
then use that to write a u-boot to FLASH. Or boot to Linux and then dd
u-boot into mtd.

     Andrew

From nassarmu at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 23:22:43 2015
From: nassarmu at gmail.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2015 23:22:43 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] JTAG adapter
In-Reply-To: <55726C69.6080903@tomobiki.dyndns.org>
References: <55726C69.6080903@tomobiki.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <CAKpMjPgYOdePO5=h1yt7aXU5XZ9NEBU8pBFKea0usUbUxtKCYA@mail.gmail.com>

I have one in my stash somewhere, parallel port though.

On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 10:43 PM, Joseph Key <jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org> wrote:
> Does anyone have or know of a local place where I can get a JTAG adapter.
> I'm trying to restore a pogoplug device that I bricked.
>
> Thanks,
> Joseph Key
>
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From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org  Sat Jun  6 07:58:36 2015
From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2015 07:58:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] JTAG adapter
In-Reply-To: <20150606040112.GA3975@lunn.ch>
References: <55726C69.6080903@tomobiki.dyndns.org>
 <20150606040112.GA3975@lunn.ch>
Message-ID: <5572EE7C.9040903@tomobiki.dyndns.org>



On 2015/06/05 11:01 PM, Andrew Lunn wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 10:43:37PM -0500, Joseph Key wrote:
>> Does anyone have or know of a local place where I can get a JTAG
>> adapter. I'm trying to restore a pogoplug device that I bricked.
> Hi Joseph
>
> You might not need JTAG.
>
> Pogoplug uses a Marvell Kirkwood CPU. The BootROM allows it to boot
> over serial. Look in the u-boot sources for the utility kwboot. It
> allows you to download a u-boot into RAM and then execute it. You can
> then use that to write a u-boot to FLASH. Or boot to Linux and then dd
> u-boot into mtd.
>
>       Andrew
I have used the serial port to load a new program. The only problem is I 
did a nand erase with out the 0x100000 and it erased the u-boot information.

Joseph

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From andrew at lunn.ch  Sat Jun  6 21:35:01 2015
From: andrew at lunn.ch (Andrew Lunn)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2015 04:35:01 +0200
Subject: [tclug-list] JTAG adapter
In-Reply-To: <5572EE7C.9040903@tomobiki.dyndns.org>
References: <55726C69.6080903@tomobiki.dyndns.org>
 <20150606040112.GA3975@lunn.ch>
 <5572EE7C.9040903@tomobiki.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <20150607023501.GA16250@lunn.ch>

On Sat, Jun 06, 2015 at 07:58:36AM -0500, Joseph Key wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2015/06/05 11:01 PM, Andrew Lunn wrote:
> >On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 10:43:37PM -0500, Joseph Key wrote:
> >>Does anyone have or know of a local place where I can get a JTAG
> >>adapter. I'm trying to restore a pogoplug device that I bricked.
> >Hi Joseph
> >
> >You might not need JTAG.
> >
> >Pogoplug uses a Marvell Kirkwood CPU. The BootROM allows it to boot
> >over serial. Look in the u-boot sources for the utility kwboot. It
> >allows you to download a u-boot into RAM and then execute it. You can
> >then use that to write a u-boot to FLASH. Or boot to Linux and then dd
> >u-boot into mtd.
> >
> >      Andrew
> I have used the serial port to load a new program. The only problem
> is I did a nand erase with out the 0x100000 and it erased the u-boot
> information.

I'm not sure we are talking about the same things here.  What do you
mean by information? Do you mean u-boot environment variables? You
should not need those to boot u-boot.

Also, kwboot does not need u-boot. It uses what is in the Kirkwood
ROM, inside the chip. There is no way you can erase that. So if you
have erase u-boot, that will not stop kwboot working.

     Andrew

From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Sat Jun  6 21:58:42 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2015 21:58:42 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Question for your RAID heads
Message-ID: <CEA32FFB-8576-4E4F-B13F-4D76BB5438C8@cwis.biz>

I finally realized why my RAID is slow. I need to get the cache battery for it.

But I want to know before I proceed - for those of you with LSI experience it?s an LSI 9270-8i - when I add the battery to the mix can I change the write-cache settings without dumping the array? 

Thanks!

From nassarmu at gmail.com  Sat Jun  6 22:36:01 2015
From: nassarmu at gmail.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2015 22:36:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Question for your RAID heads
In-Reply-To: <CEA32FFB-8576-4E4F-B13F-4D76BB5438C8@cwis.biz>
References: <CEA32FFB-8576-4E4F-B13F-4D76BB5438C8@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <CAKpMjPgsP2fGGyA0Bo5LKipr12PNgp-JQPtdUS9_exmGBDfapA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 9:58 PM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
> I finally realized why my RAID is slow. I need to get the cache battery for it.
>
> But I want to know before I proceed - for those of you with LSI experience it?s an LSI 9270-8i - when I add the battery to the mix can I change the write-cache settings without dumping the array?

yes

From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Sun Jun  7 10:19:42 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2015 10:19:42 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] Question for your RAID heads
In-Reply-To: <CAKpMjPgsP2fGGyA0Bo5LKipr12PNgp-JQPtdUS9_exmGBDfapA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CEA32FFB-8576-4E4F-B13F-4D76BB5438C8@cwis.biz>
 <CAKpMjPgsP2fGGyA0Bo5LKipr12PNgp-JQPtdUS9_exmGBDfapA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <92E07B40-6519-4E67-896D-3C63821B5081@cwis.biz>

Excellent news. Now to wait for the darn thing to show up in the mail.

I?m feeling fortunate that a raid controller upgraded was budgeted this spring - my old controller doesn?t have this capability.

> On Jun 6, 2015, at 10:36 PM, Munir Nassar <nassarmu at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 9:58 PM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
>> I finally realized why my RAID is slow. I need to get the cache battery for it.
>> 
>> But I want to know before I proceed - for those of you with LSI experience it?s an LSI 9270-8i - when I add the battery to the mix can I change the write-cache settings without dumping the array?
> 
> yes
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From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org  Sun Jun  7 11:10:12 2015
From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2015 11:10:12 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] JTAG adapter
In-Reply-To: <20150607023501.GA16250@lunn.ch>
References: <55726C69.6080903@tomobiki.dyndns.org>
 <20150606040112.GA3975@lunn.ch> <5572EE7C.9040903@tomobiki.dyndns.org>
 <20150607023501.GA16250@lunn.ch>
Message-ID: <55746CE4.9070706@tomobiki.dyndns.org>



On 2015/06/06 9:35 PM, Andrew Lunn wrote:
>
>
> I'm not sure we are talking about the same things here.  What do yo
> mean by information? Do you mean u-boot environment variables? You
> should not need those to boot u-boot.
>
> Also, kwboot does not need u-boot. It uses what is in the Kirkwood
> ROM, inside the chip. There is no way you can erase that. So if you
> have erase u-boot, that will not stop kwboot working.
>
>       Andrew
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
The pogoplug that I have is dead. The serial port has no output and the 
led doesn't flash. An article on Your warranty is void.com talks about 
using the jtag port to load a new u-boot and kernel when the device 
stops responding to the serial port.

Joseph

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From andrew at lunn.ch  Sun Jun  7 11:43:44 2015
From: andrew at lunn.ch (Andrew Lunn)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2015 18:43:44 +0200
Subject: [tclug-list] JTAG adapter
In-Reply-To: <55746CE4.9070706@tomobiki.dyndns.org>
References: <55726C69.6080903@tomobiki.dyndns.org>
 <20150606040112.GA3975@lunn.ch>
 <5572EE7C.9040903@tomobiki.dyndns.org>
 <20150607023501.GA16250@lunn.ch>
 <55746CE4.9070706@tomobiki.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <20150607164344.GB487@lunn.ch>

> The pogoplug that I have is dead. The serial port has no output and
> the led doesn't flash.

>From the user manual for the Kirkwood CPU:

24.2.5.2 UART0 Sensing

      Before starting a specific boot sequence indicated by the
      bootstrap, the bootROM tries to sense the UART0 interface, to
      detect a user request for entering bootROM command line debug
      mode or a request to boot from UART, using the Xmodem protocol.

...

      If the bootROM detects the 64-bit UART boot pattern (0xBB 0x11
      0x22 0x33 0x44 0x55 0x66 0x77) injected by the user, as an
      indication to start the Xmodem protocol and the UART boot
      process); it configures the appropriate MPPs to operate as
      UA0_RXD and UA0_TXD, as in the previous sub-section and starts
      the Xmodem protocol to load the image from UART to the DDR.

kwboot sends this 0xBB 0x11 0x22 0x33 0x44 0x55 0x66 0x77 code. The
CPU will then wait for code to be downloaded and it will then execute
it. So use kwboot to download u-boot....

http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?3,7852,7852

This says some pogoplugs work with kwboot, others don't. Give it a go
and see.

    Andrew

From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org  Sun Jun  7 12:15:44 2015
From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2015 12:15:44 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] JTAG adapter
In-Reply-To: <20150607164344.GB487@lunn.ch>
References: <55726C69.6080903@tomobiki.dyndns.org>
 <20150606040112.GA3975@lunn.ch> <5572EE7C.9040903@tomobiki.dyndns.org>
 <20150607023501.GA16250@lunn.ch> <55746CE4.9070706@tomobiki.dyndns.org>
 <20150607164344.GB487@lunn.ch>
Message-ID: <55747C40.70204@tomobiki.dyndns.org>



On 2015/06/07 11:43 AM, Andrew Lunn wrote:
>> The pogoplug that I have is dead. The serial port has no output and
>> the led doesn't flash.
> >From the user manual for the Kirkwood CPU:
>
> 24.2.5.2 UART0 Sensing
>
>        Before starting a specific boot sequence indicated by the
>        bootstrap, the bootROM tries to sense the UART0 interface, to
>        detect a user request for entering bootROM command line debug
>        mode or a request to boot from UART, using the Xmodem protocol.
>
> ...
>
>        If the bootROM detects the 64-bit UART boot pattern (0xBB 0x11
>        0x22 0x33 0x44 0x55 0x66 0x77) injected by the user, as an
>        indication to start the Xmodem protocol and the UART boot
>        process); it configures the appropriate MPPs to operate as
>        UA0_RXD and UA0_TXD, as in the previous sub-section and starts
>        the Xmodem protocol to load the image from UART to the DDR.
>
> kwboot sends this 0xBB 0x11 0x22 0x33 0x44 0x55 0x66 0x77 code. The
> CPU will then wait for code to be downloaded and it will then execute
> it. So use kwboot to download u-boot....
>
> http://forum.doozan.com/read.php?3,7852,7852
>
> This says some pogoplugs work with kwboot, others don't. Give it a go
> and see.
>
>      Andrew
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

I have the Seagate Dockstar that the page states is not-working. I will 
still try it out and see if it works. Thanks for the info and link.

Joseph

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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Fri Jun 19 13:23:56 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 13:23:56 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [WTB] Searching for mid-size rack
Message-ID: <8572FF7D-74B7-4CFA-B0E4-3756D4388960@cwis.biz>

Anyone have an enclosed 30U rack that they?re willing to part with? I would prefer doors that lock but walls are almost a requirement. 

And if you can transport it then all the better.  I?m willing to trade my 42U IBM steel rack with doors that I have in the garage that cannot be fit into the house.

From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org  Fri Jun 19 19:48:37 2015
From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 19:48:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [WTB] Searching for mid-size rack
In-Reply-To: <8572FF7D-74B7-4CFA-B0E4-3756D4388960@cwis.biz>
References: <8572FF7D-74B7-4CFA-B0E4-3756D4388960@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <5584B865.8030002@tomobiki.dyndns.org>

Have you tried Reboot? They sometimes have racks for sale.

Joseph Key

On 2015/06/19 1:23 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> Anyone have an enclosed 30U rack that they?re willing to part with? I would prefer doors that lock but walls are almost a requirement.
>
> And if you can transport it then all the better.  I?m willing to trade my 42U IBM steel rack with doors that I have in the garage that cannot be fit into the house.
> _______________________________________________
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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Fri Jun 19 21:55:35 2015
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 21:55:35 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tablets?
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9CbDDUbg42Sqx+E6j=j_m2ebWGs226kTWKu5hf59mdogg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9CbDDUbg42Sqx+E6j=j_m2ebWGs226kTWKu5hf59mdogg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9AOsRY=9n0LEb-AokCDbxmTPP+hX4S=EjS5mg7AaMtrzA@mail.gmail.com>

does free geek have tablets?  if not who does?  by now there must be
significant traffic of unwanted tablets.  i wonder where..
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From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org  Sat Jun 20 13:07:40 2015
From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 13:07:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tablets?
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9AOsRY=9n0LEb-AokCDbxmTPP+hX4S=EjS5mg7AaMtrzA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9CbDDUbg42Sqx+E6j=j_m2ebWGs226kTWKu5hf59mdogg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAD+dB9AOsRY=9n0LEb-AokCDbxmTPP+hX4S=EjS5mg7AaMtrzA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5585ABEC.7070908@tomobiki.dyndns.org>

I haven't seen any tablets at Free Geek but that doesn't mean they won't 
get some. The places I see tablets are, Pawn shops, Reboot (has some 
ipad version 1 and android), Device Pitstop and sometimes at thrift stores.

Joseph

On 2015/06/19 9:55 PM, gregrwm wrote:
>
> does free geek have tablets?  if not who does?  by now there must be 
> significant traffic of unwanted tablets.  i wonder where..
>
>
>
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Sat Jun 20 22:13:33 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2015 22:13:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [WTB] Searching for mid-size rack
In-Reply-To: <5584B865.8030002@tomobiki.dyndns.org>
References: <8572FF7D-74B7-4CFA-B0E4-3756D4388960@cwis.biz>
 <5584B865.8030002@tomobiki.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <24376776-60DE-49BD-96FE-E19EA0919E32@cwis.biz>

Interesting. I hadn?t heard of them but I?ll send them am message on Monday.


> On Jun 19, 2015, at 7:48 PM, Joseph Key <jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org> wrote:
> 
> Have you tried Reboot? They sometimes have racks for sale.
> 
> Joseph Key
> 
> On 2015/06/19 1:23 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>> Anyone have an enclosed 30U rack that they?re willing to part with? I would prefer doors that lock but walls are almost a requirement.
>> 
>> And if you can transport it then all the better.  I?m willing to trade my 42U IBM steel rack with doors that I have in the garage that cannot be fit into the house.
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
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From tarus at opennms.org  Mon Jun 22 17:00:49 2015
From: tarus at opennms.org (Tarus BALOG)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 18:00:49 -0400
Subject: [tclug-list] Free Tickets To Twin Game Tomorrow (23 June)
Message-ID: <55888591.5020001@opennms.org>

Hey. Our annual developers conference is going on this week at UMN and
as part of that we are off to see the Twins play tomorrow night.

I have a few extra tickets (left field, of course) that I'd love to give
to other FOSS folks.

Drop me a note off-list if you are interested. We're staying at Yudof
Hall if you want to leave with us, and I can probably meet you at the
field if not.

First come first serve.

-T
-- 
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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 23 14:22:39 2015
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 14:22:39 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free Tickets To Twin Game Tomorrow (23 June)
Message-ID: <CABWFOjtSr_GbrBZaWDS-m4_nsDeFRwN3aHp-ADhPC48kww+8=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Tarus BALOG writes:
>
> Hey. Our annual developers conference is going on this week at UMN and
> as part of that we are off to see the Twins play tomorrow night.
>

I love the Twins, but am wary of going to "gun-free" zones.
I was wary of them before the murders in Charleston, and
am more so now.

-- 
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - Was Eisenhower the last decent President?
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Tue Jun 23 14:24:33 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 14:24:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Free Tickets To Twin Game Tomorrow (23 June)
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjtSr_GbrBZaWDS-m4_nsDeFRwN3aHp-ADhPC48kww+8=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjtSr_GbrBZaWDS-m4_nsDeFRwN3aHp-ADhPC48kww+8=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1506231424180.13054@cockerel.yaron.org>

On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Brian Wood wrote:

> I love the Twins, but am wary of going to "gun-free" zones.
> I was wary of them before the murders in Charleston, and
> am more so now.


Oh for goodness sake.

From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Tue Jun 23 14:47:47 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 14:47:47 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free Tickets To Twin Game Tomorrow (23 June)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1506231424180.13054@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <CABWFOjtSr_GbrBZaWDS-m4_nsDeFRwN3aHp-ADhPC48kww+8=Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.10.1506231424180.13054@cockerel.yaron.org>
Message-ID: <325E17BD-B700-4709-A42D-44363A478780@cwis.biz>


> On Jun 23, 2015, at 2:24 PM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Brian Wood wrote:
> 
>> I love the Twins, but am wary of going to "gun-free" zones.
>> I was wary of them before the murders in Charleston, and
>> am more so now.
> 
> 
> Oh for goodness sake.

This is Brian Wood, after all.

He?d be afraid of coming into my home because I don?t believe in things he believes in.

From tclug at freakzilla.com  Tue Jun 23 14:54:10 2015
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 14:54:10 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Free Tickets To Twin Game Tomorrow (23 June)
In-Reply-To: <325E17BD-B700-4709-A42D-44363A478780@cwis.biz>
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On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:

>> Oh for goodness sake.
> This is Brian Wood, after all.
> He?d be afraid of coming into my home because I don?t believe in things he believes in.

I don't like taking chances, so just in case I am hereby declaring my 
house a gun-free zone.


From adam at askewview.net  Tue Jun 23 14:40:15 2015
From: adam at askewview.net (Adam Barthelemy)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 14:40:15 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free Tickets To Twin Game Tomorrow (23 June)
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjtSr_GbrBZaWDS-m4_nsDeFRwN3aHp-ADhPC48kww+8=Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4b3f9d9c3455ebad5417e9ec25fe3da3@askewview.net>

 

This response made my brain hurt. 

On 2015-06-23 14:22, Brian Wood
wrote: 

> Tarus BALOG writes:
> >
> > Hey. Our annual developers
conference is going on this week at UMN and
> > as part of that we are
off to see the Twins play tomorrow night.
> >
> 
> I love the Twins, but
am wary of going to "gun-free" zones. I was wary of them before the
murders in Charleston, and am more so now. 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Brian
>
Ebenezer Enterprises - Was Eisenhower the last decent President?
>
http://webEbenezer.net [2]
> 
>
_______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List -
Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list [1]




Links:
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[1]
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[2]
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From droidjd at gmail.com  Tue Jun 23 15:16:46 2015
From: droidjd at gmail.com (Andrew Dahl)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 20:16:46 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Free Tickets To Twin Game Tomorrow (23 June)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1506231453300.13054@cockerel.yaron.org>
References: <CABWFOjtSr_GbrBZaWDS-m4_nsDeFRwN3aHp-ADhPC48kww+8=Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Ask yourself one question before hitting send: "Does this add anything to
the discussion?" -- No?  Don't hit send.  If someone else fails to do so,
just ignore them or be polite about it.

Problem solved without spamming everyone on the list and without wasting
everyone's time reading such drivel. Every time someone says something off
topic (in this instance, Brian), there's someone that doesn't know how to
just ignore it or be polite about it (in this instance, Ryan and Clug).
Just keep this trite BS off the list. When you get so off topic or, even
worse, make it personal, you're doing way more harm than good to this
community. If you really want to start a pissing contest and hurt feelings,
reply privately and keep everyone else out of it.

Seriously sick of reading these whiny personal attacks.
-Andrew

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:54 PM Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>
> >> Oh for goodness sake.
> > This is Brian Wood, after all.
> > He?d be afraid of coming into my home because I don?t believe in things
> he believes in.
>
> I don't like taking chances, so just in case I am hereby declaring my
> house a gun-free zone.
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Tue Jun 23 15:19:04 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:19:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free Tickets To Twin Game Tomorrow (23 June)
In-Reply-To: <CAFjzMdytOeipQ+08mZ3Ub3vCZcm76Dn=fpMa02jZg-OU-a1RuQ@mail.gmail.com>
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With all due respect to you and the sanity of the list:

This never ends. Ever. Once a quarter (now, it used to be daily or weekly) he?d make a post like that.
We want, nay we need, it to end.




> On Jun 23, 2015, at 3:16 PM, Andrew Dahl <droidjd at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ask yourself one question before hitting send: "Does this add anything to the discussion?" -- No?  Don't hit send.  If someone else fails to do so, just ignore them or be polite about it.
> 
> Problem solved without spamming everyone on the list and without wasting everyone's time reading such drivel. Every time someone says something off topic (in this instance, Brian), there's someone that doesn't know how to just ignore it or be polite about it (in this instance, Ryan and Clug). Just keep this trite BS off the list. When you get so off topic or, even worse, make it personal, you're doing way more harm than good to this community. If you really want to start a pissing contest and hurt feelings, reply privately and keep everyone else out of it.
> 
> Seriously sick of reading these whiny personal attacks.
> -Andrew
> 
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:54 PM Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com <mailto:tclug at freakzilla.com>> wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> 
> >> Oh for goodness sake.
> > This is Brian Wood, after all.
> > He?d be afraid of coming into my home because I don?t believe in things he believes in.
> 
> I don't like taking chances, so just in case I am hereby declaring my
> house a gun-free zone.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list

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From clark.andreasen at gmail.com  Tue Jun 23 15:22:00 2015
From: clark.andreasen at gmail.com (Clark Andreasen)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 20:22:00 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Free Tickets To Twin Game Tomorrow (23 June)
In-Reply-To: <CAFjzMdytOeipQ+08mZ3Ub3vCZcm76Dn=fpMa02jZg-OU-a1RuQ@mail.gmail.com>
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It might just be me but I really thought that was all in some degree of
jest, which does spam the list (I didn't mind personally but I can see how
one would), but it isn't really an attack and I don't think anyone's
feelings were particularly hurt.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015, 3:17 PM Andrew Dahl <droidjd at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ask yourself one question before hitting send: "Does this add anything to
> the discussion?" -- No?  Don't hit send.  If someone else fails to do so,
> just ignore them or be polite about it.
>
> Problem solved without spamming everyone on the list and without wasting
> everyone's time reading such drivel. Every time someone says something off
> topic (in this instance, Brian), there's someone that doesn't know how to
> just ignore it or be polite about it (in this instance, Ryan and Clug).
> Just keep this trite BS off the list. When you get so off topic or, even
> worse, make it personal, you're doing way more harm than good to this
> community. If you really want to start a pissing contest and hurt feelings,
> reply privately and keep everyone else out of it.
>
> Seriously sick of reading these whiny personal attacks.
>
> -Andrew
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:54 PM Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>>
>> >> Oh for goodness sake.
>> > This is Brian Wood, after all.
>> > He?d be afraid of coming into my home because I don?t believe in things
>> he believes in.
>>
>> I don't like taking chances, so just in case I am hereby declaring my
>> house a gun-free zone.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From droidjd at gmail.com  Tue Jun 23 15:27:55 2015
From: droidjd at gmail.com (Andrew Dahl)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 20:27:55 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Free Tickets To Twin Game Tomorrow (23 June)
In-Reply-To: <9D71411C-DEE0-4003-97BB-21AAD231CF01@cwis.biz>
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If you can't get enough support to filter or block offenders, then just
ignore them.  I've been a lurker on this list, occasionally chiming in when
I found it helpful, for over 3 years now -- As such, I've read your concern
a few times, but I consider the reactions to his posts to be a much bigger
issue than his posts, as off topic as they are.  I wouldn't have said
anything otherwise, but I'm just sick of reading the back and forth each
time it happens.

Solution: Filter and block offenders, or just ignore them.

You said it yourself -- "this never ends" -- so, clearly what the list has
tried so far isn't working.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 3:19 PM Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:

> With all due respect to you and the sanity of the list:
>
> This never ends. Ever. Once a quarter (now, it used to be daily or weekly)
> he?d make a post like that.
> We want, nay we need, it to end.
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 23, 2015, at 3:16 PM, Andrew Dahl <droidjd at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ask yourself one question before hitting send: "Does this add anything to
> the discussion?" -- No?  Don't hit send.  If someone else fails to do so,
> just ignore them or be polite about it.
>
> Problem solved without spamming everyone on the list and without wasting
> everyone's time reading such drivel. Every time someone says something off
> topic (in this instance, Brian), there's someone that doesn't know how to
> just ignore it or be polite about it (in this instance, Ryan and Clug).
> Just keep this trite BS off the list. When you get so off topic or, even
> worse, make it personal, you're doing way more harm than good to this
> community. If you really want to start a pissing contest and hurt feelings,
> reply privately and keep everyone else out of it.
>
> Seriously sick of reading these whiny personal attacks.
> -Andrew
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:54 PM Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>>
>> >> Oh for goodness sake.
>> > This is Brian Wood, after all.
>> > He?d be afraid of coming into my home because I don?t believe in things
>> he believes in.
>>
>> I don't like taking chances, so just in case I am hereby declaring my
>> house a gun-free zone.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From droidjd at gmail.com  Tue Jun 23 15:32:05 2015
From: droidjd at gmail.com (Andrew Dahl)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 20:32:05 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Free Tickets To Twin Game Tomorrow (23 June)
In-Reply-To: <CAPEPWRyJ5WURiZVhNLR3s-5Lm7wvbjJKNVih7dZ127hV2AE5Pg@mail.gmail.com>
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Clark: It happens enough and it's become heated enough in the past to where
I doubt it's jest.  Of course, if that's all it is, then I'll admit to
grossly misinterpreting the conversation and pipe down. :-)

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 3:22 PM Clark Andreasen <clark.andreasen at gmail.com>
wrote:

> It might just be me but I really thought that was all in some degree of
> jest, which does spam the list (I didn't mind personally but I can see how
> one would), but it isn't really an attack and I don't think anyone's
> feelings were particularly hurt.
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015, 3:17 PM Andrew Dahl <droidjd at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ask yourself one question before hitting send: "Does this add anything to
>> the discussion?" -- No?  Don't hit send.  If someone else fails to do so,
>> just ignore them or be polite about it.
>>
>> Problem solved without spamming everyone on the list and without wasting
>> everyone's time reading such drivel. Every time someone says something off
>> topic (in this instance, Brian), there's someone that doesn't know how to
>> just ignore it or be polite about it (in this instance, Ryan and Clug).
>> Just keep this trite BS off the list. When you get so off topic or, even
>> worse, make it personal, you're doing way more harm than good to this
>> community. If you really want to start a pissing contest and hurt feelings,
>> reply privately and keep everyone else out of it.
>>
>> Seriously sick of reading these whiny personal attacks.
>>
>> -Andrew
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:54 PM Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>>>
>>> >> Oh for goodness sake.
>>> > This is Brian Wood, after all.
>>> > He?d be afraid of coming into my home because I don?t believe in
>>> things he believes in.
>>>
>>> I don't like taking chances, so just in case I am hereby declaring my
>>> house a gun-free zone.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From tonyyarusso at gmail.com  Tue Jun 23 15:33:01 2015
From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:33:01 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free Tickets To Twin Game Tomorrow (23 June)
In-Reply-To: <9D71411C-DEE0-4003-97BB-21AAD231CF01@cwis.biz>
References: <CABWFOjtSr_GbrBZaWDS-m4_nsDeFRwN3aHp-ADhPC48kww+8=Q@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
> We want, nay we need, it to end.

Does this list even have moderators any more, or was it orphaned when
people lost interest years ago?

From rick at tanners.org  Tue Jun 23 15:34:30 2015
From: rick at tanners.org (Rick Tanner)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:34:30 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free Tickets To Twin Game Tomorrow (23 June)
In-Reply-To: <CAOZLdJXLufddPNdcej9SAiLngAHtfFWQOo8duwPRz-1+GLm9wg@mail.gmail.com>
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On 6/23/15 3:33 PM, Tony Yarusso wrote:
> 
> Does this list even have moderators any more, or was it orphaned when
> people lost interest years ago?

The list has never had moderators.




From droidjd at gmail.com  Tue Jun 23 15:37:57 2015
From: droidjd at gmail.com (Andrew Dahl)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 20:37:57 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Free Tickets To Twin Game Tomorrow (23 June)
In-Reply-To: <5589C2D6.1090405@tanners.org>
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What are the chances of instating one or more moderators?

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 3:34 PM Rick Tanner <rick at tanners.org> wrote:

> On 6/23/15 3:33 PM, Tony Yarusso wrote:
> >
> > Does this list even have moderators any more, or was it orphaned when
> > people lost interest years ago?
>
> The list has never had moderators.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From clark.andreasen at gmail.com  Tue Jun 23 15:40:08 2015
From: clark.andreasen at gmail.com (Clark Andreasen)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 20:40:08 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Free Tickets To Twin Game Tomorrow (23 June)
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Ah, I was unaware of the history, so my interpretation didn't account for
that, though in this case it didn't seem like anyone was taking him
particularly seriously, which in my opinion is the best way (beyond
moderation) we can deal with this

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015, 3:32 PM Andrew Dahl <droidjd at gmail.com> wrote:

> Clark: It happens enough and it's become heated enough in the past to
> where I doubt it's jest.  Of course, if that's all it is, then I'll admit
> to grossly misinterpreting the conversation and pipe down. :-)
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 3:22 PM Clark Andreasen <clark.andreasen at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It might just be me but I really thought that was all in some degree of
>> jest, which does spam the list (I didn't mind personally but I can see how
>> one would), but it isn't really an attack and I don't think anyone's
>> feelings were particularly hurt.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015, 3:17 PM Andrew Dahl <droidjd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ask yourself one question before hitting send: "Does this add anything
>>> to the discussion?" -- No?  Don't hit send.  If someone else fails to do
>>> so, just ignore them or be polite about it.
>>>
>>> Problem solved without spamming everyone on the list and without wasting
>>> everyone's time reading such drivel. Every time someone says something off
>>> topic (in this instance, Brian), there's someone that doesn't know how to
>>> just ignore it or be polite about it (in this instance, Ryan and Clug).
>>> Just keep this trite BS off the list. When you get so off topic or, even
>>> worse, make it personal, you're doing way more harm than good to this
>>> community. If you really want to start a pissing contest and hurt feelings,
>>> reply privately and keep everyone else out of it.
>>>
>>> Seriously sick of reading these whiny personal attacks.
>>>
>>> -Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 2:54 PM Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 23 Jun 2015, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >> Oh for goodness sake.
>>>> > This is Brian Wood, after all.
>>>> > He?d be afraid of coming into my home because I don?t believe in
>>>> things he believes in.
>>>>
>>>> I don't like taking chances, so just in case I am hereby declaring my
>>>> house a gun-free zone.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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>>
> _______________________________________________
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From rick at tanners.org  Tue Jun 23 15:46:25 2015
From: rick at tanners.org (Rick Tanner)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:46:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free Tickets To Twin Game Tomorrow (23 June)
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On 6/23/15 3:37 PM, Andrew Dahl wrote:
> What are the chances of instating one or more moderators?

It was brought up before, and the consensus of those who took the time
to respond was - no moderators.

http://archives.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/2014-March/065013.html

(Yes, that post was made by me while wearing my email list admin badge.)

That email also covers a list of criteria to strongly consider (IMO) for
moderator(s) before this is implemented.







From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 23 16:44:06 2015
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 16:44:06 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free Tickets To Twin Game Tomorrow (23 June)
Message-ID: <CABWFOjvaO93Hh5Tfgvq2MLryWAzahPKy1YBeqWkpmx8vkFBqgg@mail.gmail.com>

> Problem solved without spamming everyone on the list and without wasting
> everyone's time reading such drivel. Every time someone says something off
> topic (in this instance, Brian),

To whatever extent the original post was on or off topic, my post
was just adding to that.  A word of caution to those who would
listen.  I wish those attending the game safety, but won't go myself
with that policy.

-- 
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
http://webEbenezer.net
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From sfertch at gmail.com  Tue Jun 23 17:00:33 2015
From: sfertch at gmail.com (Shawn Fertch)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 17:00:33 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free Tickets To Twin Game Tomorrow (23 June)
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjvaO93Hh5Tfgvq2MLryWAzahPKy1YBeqWkpmx8vkFBqgg@mail.gmail.com>
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No need to make a political stance on something such as this.  If you don't
agree, simply keep quiet and not draw attention to yourself.  Just like the
reason for conceal carry vs open carry is to not draw attention to yourself
(more importantly the handgun) while you are legally carrying.

  Let's end this discussion here as it is irrelevant to Linux.
On Jun 23, 2015 4:44 PM, "Brian Wood" <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:

> > Problem solved without spamming everyone on the list and without wasting
> > everyone's time reading such drivel. Every time someone says something
> off
> > topic (in this instance, Brian),
>
> To whatever extent the original post was on or off topic, my post
> was just adding to that.  A word of caution to those who would
> listen.  I wish those attending the game safety, but won't go myself
> with that policy.
>
> --
> Brian
> Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
> http://webEbenezer.net
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From cncole at earthlink.net  Tue Jun 23 17:23:06 2015
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 17:23:06 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free Tickets To Twin Game Tomorrow (23 June)
In-Reply-To: <CAOZLdJXLufddPNdcej9SAiLngAHtfFWQOo8duwPRz-1+GLm9wg@mail.gmail.com>
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More alive than the Ubuntu list..  which died years ago.
Never had moderators.

I regard that guy as the house jester..   :-)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Tony Yarusso
> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 3:33 PM
> To: TCLUG Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Free Tickets To Twin Game Tomorrow (23 June)
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Ryan Coleman
> <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
> > We want, nay we need, it to end.
>
> Does this list even have moderators any more, or was it orphaned when
> people lost interest years ago?
> _______________________________________________



From droidjd at gmail.com  Tue Jun 23 17:31:59 2015
From: droidjd at gmail.com (Andrew Dahl)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 22:31:59 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Free Tickets To Twin Game Tomorrow (23 June)
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Thanks, Rick -- I recall reading that post now.

My real issue here is just how these posts are dealt with. The responses
are immediately personal and, for a community, that's the least welcoming
thing we could allow.

It'd be great if we could stay on topic, but that's not always going to be
the case.  So, instead of attacking anyone who posts something off topic,
consider either ignoring it or replying politely with a simple "I don't
believe this isn't the appropriate place to be discussing <topic>" on or
off list. If they listen and understand, then great. If they don't, then
just ignore their future posts. Yelling at them isn't going to do anything
at that point and will just annoy everyone else, potentially driving off
the lurkers.

If we can stick to and agree on that, my vote would be that we don't need
moderation.

TL;DR: Stating you like or dislike gun zones is less harmful than
insinuating you think someone's stupid for that belief. It'd be nice to not
have to deal with either though.

Just my two cents.
-Andrew

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 3:46 PM Rick Tanner <rick at tanners.org> wrote:

> On 6/23/15 3:37 PM, Andrew Dahl wrote:
> > What are the chances of instating one or more moderators?
>
> It was brought up before, and the consensus of those who took the time
> to respond was - no moderators.
>
> http://archives.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/2014-March/065013.html
>
> (Yes, that post was made by me while wearing my email list admin badge.)
>
> That email also covers a list of criteria to strongly consider (IMO) for
> moderator(s) before this is implemented.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From sdalano at gmail.com  Tue Jun 23 17:46:26 2015
From: sdalano at gmail.com (Saul Alanis)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 17:46:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free Tickets To Twin Game Tomorrow (23 June)
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I don't believe this isn't the appropriate place to be discussing whether
you think discussing gun zones or someone's stupidity is worse, on or off
list.
On Jun 23, 2015 6:32 PM, "Andrew Dahl" <droidjd at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Rick -- I recall reading that post now.
>
> My real issue here is just how these posts are dealt with. The responses
> are immediately personal and, for a community, that's the least welcoming
> thing we could allow.
>
> It'd be great if we could stay on topic, but that's not always going to be
> the case.  So, instead of attacking anyone who posts something off topic,
> consider either ignoring it or replying politely with a simple "I don't
> believe this isn't the appropriate place to be discussing <topic>" on or
> off list. If they listen and understand, then great. If they don't, then
> just ignore their future posts. Yelling at them isn't going to do anything
> at that point and will just annoy everyone else, potentially driving off
> the lurkers.
>
> If we can stick to and agree on that, my vote would be that we don't need
> moderation.
>
> TL;DR: Stating you like or dislike gun zones is less harmful than
> insinuating you think someone's stupid for that belief. It'd be nice to not
> have to deal with either though.
>
> Just my two cents.
> -Andrew
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 3:46 PM Rick Tanner <rick at tanners.org> wrote:
>
>> On 6/23/15 3:37 PM, Andrew Dahl wrote:
>> > What are the chances of instating one or more moderators?
>>
>> It was brought up before, and the consensus of those who took the time
>> to respond was - no moderators.
>>
>> http://archives.mn-linux.org/pipermail/tclug-list/2014-March/065013.html
>>
>> (Yes, that post was made by me while wearing my email list admin badge.)
>>
>> That email also covers a list of criteria to strongly consider (IMO) for
>> moderator(s) before this is implemented.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com  Wed Jun 24 18:16:00 2015
From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 18:16:00 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free Tickets To Twin Game Tomorrow (23 June)
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjtSr_GbrBZaWDS-m4_nsDeFRwN3aHp-ADhPC48kww+8=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjtSr_GbrBZaWDS-m4_nsDeFRwN3aHp-ADhPC48kww+8=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <558B3A30.1000505@gmail.com>

On 6/23/2015 2:22 PM, Brian Wood wrote:
> Tarus BALOG writes:
>  >
>  > Hey. Our annual developers conference is going on this week at UMN and
>  > as part of that we are off to see the Twins play tomorrow night.
>  >
>
> I love the Twins, but am wary of going to "gun-free" zones.
> I was wary of them before the murders in Charleston, and
> am more so now.
>

What would you be packing if you could carry & go?



From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Thu Jun 25 08:47:18 2015
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 08:47:18 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free Tickets To Twin Game Tomorrow (23 June)
In-Reply-To: <558B3A30.1000505@gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjtSr_GbrBZaWDS-m4_nsDeFRwN3aHp-ADhPC48kww+8=Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAJt84+PiHCUZYuo=Mpz_05BzsiyLb3pLxs_P2ug2PZSwuiJbqw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 6:16 PM, B-o-B De Mars <mr.chew.baka at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 6/23/2015 2:22 PM, Brian Wood wrote:
>
>> Tarus BALOG writes:
>>  >
>>  > Hey. Our annual developers conference is going on this week at UMN and
>>  > as part of that we are off to see the Twins play tomorrow night.
>>  >
>>
>> I love the Twins, but am wary of going to "gun-free" zones.
>> I was wary of them before the murders in Charleston, and
>> am more so now.
>>
>>
> What would you be packing if you could carry & go?
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
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From pj.world at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 25 09:27:23 2015
From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 09:27:23 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free Tickets To Twin Game Tomorrow (23 June)
In-Reply-To: <CAJt84+PiHCUZYuo=Mpz_05BzsiyLb3pLxs_P2ug2PZSwuiJbqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjtSr_GbrBZaWDS-m4_nsDeFRwN3aHp-ADhPC48kww+8=Q@mail.gmail.com>,
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Message-ID: <BAY168-W295EE5961FE9811C92C89E99AE0@phx.gbl>

Hi!

Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 08:47:18 -0500
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com
To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Free Tickets To Twin Game Tomorrow (23 June)




On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 6:16 PM, B-o-B De Mars <mr.chew.baka at gmail.com> wrote:
On 6/23/2015 2:22 PM, Brian Wood wrote:


Tarus BALOG writes:

 >

 > Hey. Our annual developers conference is going on this week at UMN and

 > as part of that we are off to see the Twins play tomorrow night.

 >



I love the Twins, but am wary of going to "gun-free" zones.

I was wary of them before the murders in Charleston, and

am more so now.






What would you be packing if you could carry & go?





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TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota

tclug-list at mn-linux.org

http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list



-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired


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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 25 14:44:29 2015
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 14:44:29 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free Tickets To Twin Game Tomorrow (23 June)
Message-ID: <CABWFOjtbTa-Ux8q9axh4rLo-ZQBhwEe9g1JFwTvAj8xXPsojig@mail.gmail.com>

B-o-B De Mars writes:

On 6/23/2015 2:22 PM, Brian Wood wrote:
>>
>> I love the Twins, but am wary of going to "gun-free" zones.
>> I was wary of them before the murders in Charleston, and
>> am more so now.
>>
>
> What would you be packing if you could carry & go?

I probably wouldn't be carrying a gun, but I'd be more likely
to go to a Twins game if they had some days where they
didn't ban weapons.

-- 
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - "Where the Spirit of the L-rd is,
there is liberty."  2nd Corinthians 3:17

http://webEbenezer.net
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Thu Jun 25 14:45:42 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 14:45:42 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Free Tickets To Twin Game Tomorrow (23 June)
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjtbTa-Ux8q9axh4rLo-ZQBhwEe9g1JFwTvAj8xXPsojig@mail.gmail.com>
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OFF TOPIC.

Brian - STOP. 

We?re over it. Don?t make it worse.


> On Jun 25, 2015, at 2:44 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> B-o-B De Mars writes:
> 
> On 6/23/2015 2:22 PM, Brian Wood wrote:
> >>
> >> I love the Twins, but am wary of going to "gun-free" zones.
> >> I was wary of them before the murders in Charleston, and
> >> am more so now.
> >>
> >
> > What would you be packing if you could carry & go?
> 
> I probably wouldn't be carrying a gun, but I'd be more likely
> to go to a Twins game if they had some days where they 
> didn't ban weapons.
> 
> -- 
> Brian
> Ebenezer Enterprises - "Where the Spirit of the L-rd is,
> there is liberty."  2nd Corinthians 3:17
> 
> http://webEbenezer.net <http://webebenezer.net/>
> 
> 
> 
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From max at maxshinnpotential.com  Thu Jun 25 21:22:38 2015
From: max at maxshinnpotential.com (Max Shinn)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 21:22:38 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Want any free older equipment?
Message-ID: <20150625212238.3f331ada@morris>

I have a bunch of stuff I'll be recycling at Best Buy pretty soon and
just wanted to check to see if anyone here wanted any of it.  Some of
the highlights include:

- A Compaq Presario S5000NX from the mid-2000's, unknown specs (though I
  could check if you're interested... it was upgraded quite a bit from
  the default)
- A vintage Leading Edge computer from the 80's, w/ keyboard/mouse:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_Edge_Model_D
- A Pentium I era Dell computer (I used it as a server for a while via
  Ubuntu Server)
- A handful of 10/100 ethernet hubs
- An older wireless-B router
- An old Cisco firewall
- A retro computer-shaped business card holder/digital clock (the
  batteries are dead, but I would absolutely be using it if I had an
  office job)
- An old scanner
- A CRT monitor
- A bunch of phone, serial, and LPT cables of various lengths
- Installation 3.5"-floppies for Novell DOS and Windows 3.1

I have pictures and can send you more detailed specs if you want.
Either you can pick it up from the Chaska/Chan/EP area, or I can meet
you near the University of Minnesota campus (potentially as soon as
this Saturday).

-Max
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From goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com  Fri Jun 26 09:10:36 2015
From: goeko at Goecke-Dolan.com (Brian Dolan-Goecke)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 09:10:36 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Want any free older equipment?
In-Reply-To: <20150625212238.3f331ada@morris>
References: <20150625212238.3f331ada@morris>
Message-ID: <558D5D5C.7040302@Goecke-Dolan.com>

Max,

I would take everything but the monitor (I might use some and recycle 
the rest... ) I can meet you at U of M campus... Saturday wouldn't work, 
but let me know what would work for you next week ?

Thanks.

==>brian.

On 06/25/2015 09:22 PM, Max Shinn wrote:
> I have a bunch of stuff I'll be recycling at Best Buy pretty soon and
> just wanted to check to see if anyone here wanted any of it.  Some of
> the highlights include:
>
> - A Compaq Presario S5000NX from the mid-2000's, unknown specs (though I
>    could check if you're interested... it was upgraded quite a bit from
>    the default)
> - A vintage Leading Edge computer from the 80's, w/ keyboard/mouse:
>    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leading_Edge_Model_D
> - A Pentium I era Dell computer (I used it as a server for a while via
>    Ubuntu Server)
> - A handful of 10/100 ethernet hubs
> - An older wireless-B router
> - An old Cisco firewall
> - A retro computer-shaped business card holder/digital clock (the
>    batteries are dead, but I would absolutely be using it if I had an
>    office job)
> - An old scanner
> - A CRT monitor
> - A bunch of phone, serial, and LPT cables of various lengths
> - Installation 3.5"-floppies for Novell DOS and Windows 3.1
>
> I have pictures and can send you more detailed specs if you want.
> Either you can pick it up from the Chaska/Chan/EP area, or I can meet
> you near the University of Minnesota campus (potentially as soon as
> this Saturday).
>
> -Max
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 29 21:37:25 2015
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 21:37:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Acer laptop for sale
Message-ID: <CABWFOjuTFHgyE1_2EuwRsr9j9kCsn3yRg2EVXZHp3imCXD_qNA@mail.gmail.com>

I have an Acer laptop for sale - $240 or best offer.
It works fine and has linux on it now.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Acer-TravelMate-X483-6691-14-LED-i3-2375M-4GB-500GB-NX-V85AA-002-Linpus-OS-NEW-/271897595580?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f4e5c0ebc

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Acer-TravelMate-X-TMX483-6691-Black-14-Notebook-/281682770586?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item419599fa9a


-- 
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - So far G-d has helped us.
http://webEbenezer.net
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Mon Jun 29 22:19:48 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 22:19:48 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Acer laptop for sale
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References: <CABWFOjuTFHgyE1_2EuwRsr9j9kCsn3yRg2EVXZHp3imCXD_qNA@mail.gmail.com>
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Brian,

Just my two bits? but might I suggest that when you price your items for sale you compare not to unsold auctions but sold ones?
2 NIB versions of this laptop have sold for $260. Now I know nothing about the laptop but I?d take a new in box one for $20 more, if I were to be interested in buying it.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=X483-6691&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc <http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=X483-6691&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc>


> On Jun 29, 2015, at 9:37 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have an Acer laptop for sale - $240 or best offer.
> It works fine and has linux on it now.
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Acer-TravelMate-X483-6691-14-LED-i3-2375M-4GB-500GB-NX-V85AA-002-Linpus-OS-NEW-/271897595580?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f4e5c0ebc <http://www.ebay.com/itm/Acer-TravelMate-X483-6691-14-LED-i3-2375M-4GB-500GB-NX-V85AA-002-Linpus-OS-NEW-/271897595580?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f4e5c0ebc>
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Acer-TravelMate-X-TMX483-6691-Black-14-Notebook-/281682770586?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item419599fa9a <http://www.ebay.com/itm/Acer-TravelMate-X-TMX483-6691-Black-14-Notebook-/281682770586?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item419599fa9a>
> 
> 
> -- 
> Brian 
> Ebenezer Enterprises - So far G-d has helped us.
> http://webEbenezer.net <http://webebenezer.net/>
> 
> 
> 
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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 30 14:24:52 2015
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:24:52 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Acer laptop for sale
Message-ID: <CABWFOjsgNkemXfLjqgcJdkDij+jdzA3UZxZ=507vT1tzChp1ZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ryan Coleman writes:

> Brian,
>
> Just my two bits? but might I suggest that when you price your items for
sale you > compare not to unsold auctions but sold ones?
> 2 NIB versions of this laptop have sold for $260. Now I know nothing
about the
> laptop but I?d take a new in box one for $20 more, if I were to be
interested in
> buying it.
>
>
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=X483-6691&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc
<http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=X483-6691&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc>
<
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=X483-6691&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc
>
>

I'll reduce it to $230 or best offer.

-- 
Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises
http://webEbenezer.net
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Tue Jun 30 14:52:52 2015
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 14:52:52 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Acer laptop for sale
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjsgNkemXfLjqgcJdkDij+jdzA3UZxZ=507vT1tzChp1ZQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Brian,

I guess you don?t get what I am saying - your laptop is used, this is new. Unless you are going to provide something to support asking for 90% of new you should be asking for at least 25% below NIB. Even under best conditions - because the computer is not new, the components in it have taken loads and abuse (if even extremely light).

Technology depreciates VERY quickly. If I asked for 90% of asking price after a few years my Galaxy S4 phone would be worth $460. It?s not. It?s worth about $150.

An appropriate price for this computer might be $175-$200 OBO. 

> On Jun 30, 2015, at 2:24 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ryan Coleman writes:
> 
> > Brian,
> >
> > Just my two bits? but might I suggest that when you price your items for sale you > compare not to unsold auctions but sold ones?
> > 2 NIB versions of this laptop have sold for $260. Now I know nothing about the 
> > laptop but I?d take a new in box one for $20 more, if I were to be interested in 
> > buying it.
> >
> > http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=X483-6691&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc <http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=X483-6691&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc> <http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=X483-6691&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc <http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=X483-6691&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=nc>>
> >
> 
> I'll reduce it to $230 or best offer.  
> 
> -- 
> Brian
> Ebenezer Enterprises
> http://webEbenezer.net <http://webebenezer.net/>
> 
> 
> 
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