From rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 16:51:56 2015 From: rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com (rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2015 16:51:56 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Zinio on Linux using an Android emulator? Message-ID: <54F4E98C.4060100@gmail.com> My library offers Zinio for magazines and newspapers. Unfortunately, Zinio doesn't support Linux, but does support Android. This seems a bit convoluted, but is it possible to access Zinio via an Android emulator running in Linux? If not, is there another option I'm missing? I've not booted to Windows since 2002 and don't want to start now. From rick at real-time.com Mon Mar 2 16:59:14 2015 From: rick at real-time.com (Rick Tanner) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2015 16:59:14 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Zinio on Linux using an Android emulator? In-Reply-To: <54F4E98C.4060100@gmail.com> References: <54F4E98C.4060100@gmail.com> Message-ID: <54F4EB42.5060007@real-time.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 3/2/15 4:51 PM, rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com wrote: > > This seems a bit convoluted, but is it possible to access Zinio via > an Android emulator running in Linux? I have not done this myself, but this page indicates it can be done. http://www.howtogeek.com/164570/how-to-install-android-in-virtualbox/ Want to run Android on your PC? The Android-x86 Project has ported Android to the x86 platform from ARM. Android-x86 can be installed on netbooks with supported hardware, but you can also install Android in VirtualBox. Android can be run as just another virtual machine, like you would run a Windows or Linux virtual machine. This allows you to play with the Android interface and install apps in a full Android environment on your PC. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) iQEVAwUBVPTrO1wn8veVxBRBAQK1ngf/cznZlblHEoHjIUDGoIto+d5c4ZbRKdhn 8Zb4fiqxNVQXBW0B5RzGRGohq5tDaSDu9gAvkVdH6P0ZYyERpebyMoT5I7nPC/jl pAPwH+MTgW7WeS3o2mTF6zZcxCgYH3PhTAwbKa1MB6HQqjuj8D5p4XIsGkR6zWUY gLKKY2PPnmzp4pYL61ePi01K3pZDf7zMHTeBMJ1Ac5yZeMM3Lsg2wssKqcb4gxAe t9v24KBkBOyzBnjhfVopE0f9AkyZ0AbAylnjSKcp9rILfaIRX2pZwZQ5nZk1JM7R byqDs5PtqExSEPyNmPk/MvLmIf1FA+4CO6c2U89SzLYSNqpsY43ROg== =NDhh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 06:39:03 2015 From: rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com (rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2015 06:39:03 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Zinio on Linux using an Android emulator? In-Reply-To: <54F4EB42.5060007@real-time.com> References: <54F4E98C.4060100@gmail.com> <54F4EB42.5060007@real-time.com> Message-ID: <54F5AB67.2000706@gmail.com> Thank you for responding. I knew of Android as an OS but didn't want to reboot. But if I understand your point correctly I could access Zinio through Android run as a VM. That's much better than having to reboot. However, is it possible to access Zinio through just an Android emulator? Perhaps genymotion or the Google Android SDK? Android via VM is a good suggestion but seems a bit heavy to run one application. ------------------------------------------------------- On 03/02/2015 04:59 PM, Rick Tanner wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 3/2/15 4:51 PM, rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com wrote: >> This seems a bit convoluted, but is it possible to access Zinio via >> an Android emulator running in Linux? > I have not done this myself, but this page indicates it can be done. > > http://www.howtogeek.com/164570/how-to-install-android-in-virtualbox/ > > Want to run Android on your PC? The Android-x86 Project has ported > Android to the x86 platform from ARM. Android-x86 can be installed on > netbooks with supported hardware, but you can also install Android in > VirtualBox. > > Android can be run as just another virtual machine, like you would run > a Windows or Linux virtual machine. This allows you to play with the > Android interface and install apps in a full Android environment on > your PC. > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) > > iQEVAwUBVPTrO1wn8veVxBRBAQK1ngf/cznZlblHEoHjIUDGoIto+d5c4ZbRKdhn > 8Zb4fiqxNVQXBW0B5RzGRGohq5tDaSDu9gAvkVdH6P0ZYyERpebyMoT5I7nPC/jl > pAPwH+MTgW7WeS3o2mTF6zZcxCgYH3PhTAwbKa1MB6HQqjuj8D5p4XIsGkR6zWUY > gLKKY2PPnmzp4pYL61ePi01K3pZDf7zMHTeBMJ1Ac5yZeMM3Lsg2wssKqcb4gxAe > t9v24KBkBOyzBnjhfVopE0f9AkyZ0AbAylnjSKcp9rILfaIRX2pZwZQ5nZk1JM7R > byqDs5PtqExSEPyNmPk/MvLmIf1FA+4CO6c2U89SzLYSNqpsY43ROg== > =NDhh > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Tue Mar 3 13:12:53 2015 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 13:12:53 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Zinio on Linux using an Android emulator? Message-ID: > > I knew of Android as an OS but didn't want to reboot. But if I understand > your point correctly I could access Zinio through Android run as a VM. > That's much better than having to reboot. > > However, is it possible to access Zinio through just an Android emulator? > Perhaps genymotion or the Google Android SDK? Android via VM is a good > suggestion but seems a bit heavy to run one application. > i just googled "android emulator linux" and got lots to read, try that if you haven't already, some appear to be VMs and some not -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Tue Mar 3 13:23:46 2015 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 13:23:46 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Zinio on Linux using an Android emulator? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I?ve used GenyMotion for testing purposes. Windows and OS X - works. > On Mar 3, 2015, at 1:12 PM, gregrwm wrote: > > I knew of Android as an OS but didn't want to reboot. But if I understand your point correctly I could access Zinio through Android run as a VM. That's much better than having to reboot. > > However, is it possible to access Zinio through just an Android emulator? Perhaps genymotion or the Google Android SDK? Android via VM is a good suggestion but seems a bit heavy to run one application. > > i just googled "android emulator linux" and got lots to read, try that if you haven't already, some appear to be VMs and some not > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 14:46:24 2015 From: rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com (rhubarbpieguy at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2015 14:46:24 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Zinio on Linux using an Android emulator? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54F61DA0.5090006@gmail.com> Thank you; first person feedback is quite valuable. From your experience, am I right that GenyMotion would be lighter than running Android-x86? The earlier suggestion to do so was quite good but I'm always interested in doing things as efficiently as possible. ----------------------------------------------------------- On 03/03/2015 01:23 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I?ve used GenyMotion for testing purposes. Windows and OS X - works. > > >> On Mar 3, 2015, at 1:12 PM, gregrwm > > wrote: >> >> I knew of Android as an OS but didn't want to reboot. But if I >> understand your point correctly I could access Zinio through >> Android run as a VM. That's much better than having to reboot. >> >> However, is it possible to access Zinio through just an Android >> emulator? Perhaps genymotion or the Google Android SDK? Android >> via VM is a good suggestion but seems a bit heavy to run one >> application. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Tue Mar 3 14:48:50 2015 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 14:48:50 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Zinio on Linux using an Android emulator? In-Reply-To: <54F61DA0.5090006@gmail.com> References: <54F61DA0.5090006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <83A44519-99AB-4640-BCBF-FD5BBAA37521@cwis.biz> Disk space? Probably not. Resources? I don?t know. I use it on my MacBook Pro which is already beefed up pretty well and it runs OK with 3 windows VMs in Fusion at the same time. > On Mar 3, 2015, at 2:46 PM, wrote: > > > Thank you; first person feedback is quite valuable. > > From your experience, am I right that GenyMotion would be lighter than running Android-x86? The earlier suggestion to do so was quite good but I'm always interested in doing things as efficiently as possible. > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > On 03/03/2015 01:23 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> I?ve used GenyMotion for testing purposes. Windows and OS X - works. >> >> >>> On Mar 3, 2015, at 1:12 PM, gregrwm > wrote: >>> >>> I knew of Android as an OS but didn't want to reboot. But if I understand your point correctly I could access Zinio through Android run as a VM. That's much better than having to reboot. >>> >>> However, is it possible to access Zinio through just an Android emulator? Perhaps genymotion or the Google Android SDK? Android via VM is a good suggestion but seems a bit heavy to run one application. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clark.andreasen at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 23:50:11 2015 From: clark.andreasen at gmail.com (Clark Andreasen) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 04:50:11 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Bash script from fluxbox keys Message-ID: Not sure how much introduction is necessary here, but in any event, I've just set up a debian installation with fluxbox and I've been customizing things the way I like them, but I 've run into an issue trying to replicate the features of a program called puush under windows. Essentially what I've done is taken this script (although I'm using curl with -s, not -#), in combination with scrot and fluxbox to make Ctrl-Shift-4 allow me to select an area of the screen, and then pass that to puush for uploading and dump the url to the clipboard with xclip. I've been trying to run a separate shell script that looks like this: #!/bin/bash scrot -s -e 'puush $f' | xclip -selection c from .fluxbox/keys using a line like this: Control Shift 13 :exec 'sh /path/to/file.sh' and after trying many different variations on that, I still can't get it to work, the hotkey works if I assign a different command to it, and running said shell script from the terminal works great, but combined, nothing happens. Thanks, Clark A. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sethmiller.sm at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 16:11:47 2015 From: sethmiller.sm at gmail.com (Seth Miller) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 16:11:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Bash script from fluxbox keys In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Clark, You already have the shebang at the top of your script. You don't need the sh command. Control Shift 13 :exec /path/to/file.sh Seth Miller On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 11:50 PM, Clark Andreasen wrote: > Not sure how much introduction is necessary here, but in any event, I've > just set up a debian installation with fluxbox and I've been customizing > things the way I like them, but I 've run into an issue trying to replicate > the features of a program called puush under windows. > Essentially what I've done is taken this > script > (although I'm using curl with -s, not -#), in combination with scrot and > fluxbox to make Ctrl-Shift-4 allow me to select an area of the screen, and > then pass that to puush for uploading and dump the url to the clipboard > with xclip. I've been trying to run a separate shell script that looks like > this: > > #!/bin/bash > scrot -s -e 'puush $f' | xclip -selection c > > from .fluxbox/keys using a line like this: > > Control Shift 13 :exec 'sh /path/to/file.sh' > > and after trying many different variations on that, I still can't get it > to work, the hotkey works if I assign a different command to it, and > running said shell script from the terminal works great, but combined, > nothing happens. > > Thanks, > Clark A. > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clark.andreasen at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 17:33:53 2015 From: clark.andreasen at gmail.com (Clark Andreasen) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2015 22:33:53 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Bash script from fluxbox keys In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good to know, however it doesn't seem to work either way... On a suggestion I also tried checking how it was being run with pstree, and got this: (.puush is the name of the shell script) init(1)---login(2887)---bash(3047)---startx(18355)---xinit(18372)---ck-launch-sessi(18378)---fluxbox(18413)---.puush(29126)---pstre+ vs this when run from xterm: init(1)---login(2887)---bash(3047)---startx(18355)---xinit(18372)---ck-launch-sessi(18378)---fluxbox(18413)---xterm(18972)---bash(18974)---.puush(29187)---pstree(29188) So I think it's executing fine, but something about scrot or the puush upload script won't work the way fluxbox handles it, could there be an issue because it takes too long? It does have to wait for a me to select the right area, save the screenshot, upload it, and dump the resulting url to clipboard. Thanks, Clark A. On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 4:12 PM Seth Miller wrote: > Clark, > > You already have the shebang at the top of your script. You don't need the > sh command. > > Control Shift 13 :exec /path/to/file.sh > > Seth Miller > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 11:50 PM, Clark Andreasen < > clark.andreasen at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Not sure how much introduction is necessary here, but in any event, I've >> just set up a debian installation with fluxbox and I've been customizing >> things the way I like them, but I 've run into an issue trying to replicate >> the features of a program called puush under windows. >> Essentially what I've done is taken this >> script >> (although I'm using curl with -s, not -#), in combination with scrot and >> fluxbox to make Ctrl-Shift-4 allow me to select an area of the screen, and >> then pass that to puush for uploading and dump the url to the clipboard >> with xclip. I've been trying to run a separate shell script that looks like >> this: >> >> #!/bin/bash >> scrot -s -e 'puush $f' | xclip -selection c >> >> from .fluxbox/keys using a line like this: >> >> Control Shift 13 :exec 'sh /path/to/file.sh' >> >> and after trying many different variations on that, I still can't get it >> to work, the hotkey works if I assign a different command to it, and >> running said shell script from the terminal works great, but combined, >> nothing happens. >> >> Thanks, >> Clark A. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.a.frisk at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 06:55:47 2015 From: john.a.frisk at gmail.com (John Frisk) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 06:55:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! Message-ID: Hello everyone, We have created a meetup site for Penguins Unbound. This should enable us to better communicate group activities, meeting times, place availability, etc. I hope all interested will join meetup and RSVP for the March 21st 10AM meeting so I can get accurate attendance numbers. This will also help on topic interest and meeting place requirements. (Future dates will be added once I get time). The site: http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound/ I plan on talking a bit about piwigo (the open source gallery software) http://piwigo.org/ David may present some material he's been working on about customer success in SaaS. I am waiting for confirmation on the place but will announce it once that is completed. More to come! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 14:26:33 2015 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 14:26:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD Message-ID: There's an effort to encourage people to install FreeBSD around the week of March 30th. I've been using FreeBSD for about a year and am liking it. Previously I primarily used Linux to develop software. After running into a TCP related problem on Linux last year, I tried FreeBSD and the problem went away. I've also found FreeBSD's kqueues to be easier to work with than Linux's epoll. I've learned some things about FreeBSD from Kris Moore and Allan Jude on http://bsdnow.tv . I'm going to head over there later to watch the latest program. If you would like help installing FreeBSD or PC-BSD, please let me know. There's room in my Roseville office if you want to bring your machine over. If there's a lot of interest, we could use the conference room in the building. It could be before or after the week of March 30th. I'm thinking about moving to Wisconsin though, so don't wait too long. -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust. http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Mar 13 14:45:27 2015 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 14:45:27 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03DA9159302C482DB6EE2193B98B2F60@d830a> Meetup is a commercial firm that requires groups to pay group dues and submit their member lists for their advertising purposes. Not private or self-governed. Many may not want their names submitted to this commercial operation. I'd like to hear of Penguins things, but not this way. Chuck _____ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of John Frisk Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 6:56 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List; Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team; penguinsunbound-announce at lists.ties2.net Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! Hello everyone, We have created a meetup site for Penguins Unbound. This should enable us to better communicate group activities, meeting times, place availability, etc. I hope all interested will join meetup and RSVP for the March 21st 10AM meeting so I can get accurate attendance numbers. This will also help on topic interest and meeting place requirements. (Future dates will be added once I get time). The site: http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound/ I plan on talking a bit about piwigo (the open source gallery software) http://piwigo.org/ David may present some material he's been working on about customer success in SaaS. I am waiting for confirmation on the place but will announce it once that is completed. More to come! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eminmn at sysmatrix.net Fri Mar 13 15:31:48 2015 From: eminmn at sysmatrix.net (e.c.) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 15:31:48 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: <03DA9159302C482DB6EE2193B98B2F60@d830a> References: <03DA9159302C482DB6EE2193B98B2F60@d830a> Message-ID: This alternative seems to be free as long as the group is non-profit: http://www.doorkeeperhq.com/ I suppose that any such service that facilitates group communications and meetings needs to maintain a list of email addresses just as the mailman program does for tclug. Ed On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: > Meetup is a commercial firm that requires groups to pay group dues and > submit their member lists for their advertising purposes. Not private or > self-governed. Many may not want their names submitted to this commercial > operation. I'd like to hear of Penguins things, but not this way. > > Chuck > > ________________________________ > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of John Frisk > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 6:56 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List; Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team; > penguinsunbound-announce at lists.ties2.net > Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! > > Hello everyone, > We have created a meetup site for Penguins Unbound. This should enable us > to better communicate group activities, meeting times, place availability, > etc. I hope all interested will join meetup and RSVP for the March 21st > 10AM meeting so I can get accurate attendance numbers. This will also help > on topic interest and meeting place requirements. (Future dates will be > added once I get time). > The site: http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound/ > > I plan on talking a bit about piwigo (the open source gallery software) > http://piwigo.org/ > > David may present some material he's been working on about customer success > in SaaS. > > I am waiting for confirmation on the place but will announce it once that is > completed. More to come! > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From john.a.frisk at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 15:50:23 2015 From: john.a.frisk at gmail.com (John Frisk) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 15:50:23 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: <03DA9159302C482DB6EE2193B98B2F60@d830a> References: <03DA9159302C482DB6EE2193B98B2F60@d830a> Message-ID: I respect people may not want to be a part of meetup due to privacy concerns. I have the intention of continuing to communicate the meetings using the penguinsunbound.com website. But as the coordinator of the group the benefits were enough to cover the organizer dues myself rather than trying to maintain self managed software. Anyone concerned can continue to reference the website for meeting times. I also felt we as a group could grow from the other IT professionals in the twin cities already on meetup that may not be aware of the group if they never had heard of us before. On Mar 13, 2015 2:45 PM, "Chuck Cole" wrote: > Meetup is a commercial firm that requires groups to pay group dues and > submit their member lists for their advertising purposes. Not private or > self-governed. Many may not want their names submitted to this commercial > operation. I'd like to hear of Penguins things, but not this way. > > Chuck > > ------------------------------ > *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto: > tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] *On Behalf Of *John Frisk > *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 6:56 AM > *To:* TCLUG Mailing List; Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team; > penguinsunbound-announce at lists.ties2.net > *Subject:* [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! > > Hello everyone, > We have created a meetup site for Penguins Unbound. This should enable us > to better communicate group activities, meeting times, place availability, > etc. I hope all interested will join meetup and RSVP for the March 21st > 10AM meeting so I can get accurate attendance numbers. This will also help > on topic interest and meeting place requirements. (Future dates will be > added once I get time). > The site: http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound/ > > I plan on talking a bit about piwigo (the open source gallery software) > http://piwigo.org/ > > David may present some material he's been working on about customer > success in SaaS. > > I am waiting for confirmation on the place but will announce it once that > is completed. More to come! > > > -- > ubuntu-us-mn mailing list > ubuntu-us-mn at lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-mn > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Mar 13 16:03:27 2015 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 16:03:27 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: References: <03DA9159302C482DB6EE2193B98B2F60@d830a> Message-ID: <375B2D42B8A344CBB24BBB7EC631FE0C@d830a> Penguins is not organized or registered as a non-profit group. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of e.c. > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 3:32 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! > > This alternative seems to be free as long as the group is non-profit: > > http://www.doorkeeperhq.com/ > > I suppose that any such service that facilitates group communications > and meetings needs to maintain a list of email addresses just as the > mailman program does for tclug. > > Ed > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Chuck Cole > wrote: > > Meetup is a commercial firm that requires groups to pay > group dues and > > submit their member lists for their advertising purposes. > Not private or > > self-governed. Many may not want their names submitted to > this commercial > > operation. I'd like to hear of Penguins things, but not this way. > > > > Chuck > > > > ________________________________ > > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of John Frisk > > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 6:56 AM > > To: TCLUG Mailing List; Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team; > > penguinsunbound-announce at lists.ties2.net > > Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! > > > > Hello everyone, > > We have created a meetup site for Penguins Unbound. This > should enable us > > to better communicate group activities, meeting times, > place availability, > > etc. I hope all interested will join meetup and RSVP for > the March 21st > > 10AM meeting so I can get accurate attendance numbers. > This will also help > > on topic interest and meeting place requirements. (Future > dates will be > > added once I get time). > > The site: http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound/ > > > > I plan on talking a bit about piwigo (the open source > gallery software) > > http://piwigo.org/ > > > > David may present some material he's been working on about > customer success > > in SaaS. > > > > I am waiting for confirmation on the place but will > announce it once that is > > completed. More to come! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From joel.longanecker at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 17:16:33 2015 From: joel.longanecker at gmail.com (Joel Longanecker) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 17:16:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: <375B2D42B8A344CBB24BBB7EC631FE0C@d830a> References: <03DA9159302C482DB6EE2193B98B2F60@d830a> <375B2D42B8A344CBB24BBB7EC631FE0C@d830a> Message-ID: Just make a facebook page. On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: > Penguins is not organized or registered as a non-profit group. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of e.c. > > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 3:32 PM > > To: TCLUG Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! > > > > This alternative seems to be free as long as the group is non-profit: > > > > http://www.doorkeeperhq.com/ > > > > I suppose that any such service that facilitates group communications > > and meetings needs to maintain a list of email addresses just as the > > mailman program does for tclug. > > > > Ed > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Chuck Cole > > wrote: > > > Meetup is a commercial firm that requires groups to pay > > group dues and > > > submit their member lists for their advertising purposes. > > Not private or > > > self-governed. Many may not want their names submitted to > > this commercial > > > operation. I'd like to hear of Penguins things, but not this way. > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of John Frisk > > > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 6:56 AM > > > To: TCLUG Mailing List; Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team; > > > penguinsunbound-announce at lists.ties2.net > > > Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! > > > > > > Hello everyone, > > > We have created a meetup site for Penguins Unbound. This > > should enable us > > > to better communicate group activities, meeting times, > > place availability, > > > etc. I hope all interested will join meetup and RSVP for > > the March 21st > > > 10AM meeting so I can get accurate attendance numbers. > > This will also help > > > on topic interest and meeting place requirements. (Future > > dates will be > > > added once I get time). > > > The site: http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound/ > > > > > > I plan on talking a bit about piwigo (the open source > > gallery software) > > > http://piwigo.org/ > > > > > > David may present some material he's been working on about > > customer success > > > in SaaS. > > > > > > I am waiting for confirmation on the place but will > > announce it once that is > > > completed. More to come! > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri Mar 13 17:21:17 2015 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 17:21:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: References: <03DA9159302C482DB6EE2193B98B2F60@d830a> <375B2D42B8A344CBB24BBB7EC631FE0C@d830a> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Mar 2015, Joel Longanecker wrote: > Just make a facebook page. Oh, that's your answer to EVERYthing! From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Mar 13 21:06:29 2015 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 21:06:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: References: <03DA9159302C482DB6EE2193B98B2F60@d830a> Message-ID: Publicity might not require selling the mailing list as Meetup requires. _____ From: ubuntu-us-mn-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-us-mn-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of John Frisk Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 3:50 PM To: Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team Cc: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-mn] [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! I respect people may not want to be a part of meetup due to privacy concerns. I have the intention of continuing to communicate the meetings using the penguinsunbound.com website. But as the coordinator of the group the benefits were enough to cover the organizer dues myself rather than trying to maintain self managed software. Anyone concerned can continue to reference the website for meeting times. I also felt we as a group could grow from the other IT professionals in the twin cities already on meetup that may not be aware of the group if they never had heard of us before. On Mar 13, 2015 2:45 PM, "Chuck Cole" wrote: Meetup is a commercial firm that requires groups to pay group dues and submit their member lists for their advertising purposes. Not private or self-governed. Many may not want their names submitted to this commercial operation. I'd like to hear of Penguins things, but not this way. Chuck _____ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of John Frisk Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 6:56 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List; Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team; penguinsunbound-announce at lists.ties2.net Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! Hello everyone, We have created a meetup site for Penguins Unbound. This should enable us to better communicate group activities, meeting times, place availability, etc. I hope all interested will join meetup and RSVP for the March 21st 10AM meeting so I can get accurate attendance numbers. This will also help on topic interest and meeting place requirements. (Future dates will be added once I get time). The site: http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound/ I plan on talking a bit about piwigo (the open source gallery software) http://piwigo.org/ David may present some material he's been working on about customer success in SaaS. I am waiting for confirmation on the place but will announce it once that is completed. More to come! -- ubuntu-us-mn mailing list ubuntu-us-mn at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-mn -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Fri Mar 13 21:45:57 2015 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 21:45:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: References: <03DA9159302C482DB6EE2193B98B2F60@d830a> Message-ID: Wow. Posting it somewhere else to get more people doesn't mean you have to register for the site. Get your head out of your keister. > On Mar 13, 2015, at 21:06, Chuck Cole wrote: > > Publicity might not require selling the mailing list as Meetup requires. > > From: ubuntu-us-mn-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-us-mn-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of John Frisk > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 3:50 PM > To: Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team > Cc: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-mn] [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! > > I respect people may not want to be a part of meetup due to privacy concerns. I have the intention of continuing to communicate the meetings using the penguinsunbound.com website. But as the coordinator of the group the benefits were enough to cover the organizer dues myself rather than trying to maintain self managed software. Anyone concerned can continue to reference the website for meeting times. I also felt we as a group could grow from the other IT professionals in the twin cities already on meetup that may not be aware of the group if they never had heard of us before. > >> On Mar 13, 2015 2:45 PM, "Chuck Cole" wrote: >> Meetup is a commercial firm that requires groups to pay group dues and submit their member lists for their advertising purposes. Not private or self-governed. Many may not want their names submitted to this commercial operation. I'd like to hear of Penguins things, but not this way. >> >> Chuck >> >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of John Frisk >> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 6:56 AM >> To: TCLUG Mailing List; Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team; penguinsunbound-announce at lists.ties2.net >> Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! >> >> Hello everyone, >> We have created a meetup site for Penguins Unbound. This should enable us to better communicate group activities, meeting times, place availability, etc. I hope all interested will join meetup and RSVP for the March 21st 10AM meeting so I can get accurate attendance numbers. This will also help on topic interest and meeting place requirements. (Future dates will be added once I get time). >> The site: http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound/ >> >> I plan on talking a bit about piwigo (the open source gallery software) http://piwigo.org/ >> >> David may present some material he's been working on about customer success in SaaS. >> >> I am waiting for confirmation on the place but will announce it once that is completed. More to come! >> >> -- >> ubuntu-us-mn mailing list >> ubuntu-us-mn at lists.ubuntu.com >> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-mn > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Mar 13 22:10:05 2015 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 22:10:05 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: References: <03DA9159302C482DB6EE2193B98B2F60@d830a> Message-ID: <1E1BF492F5BA44468D97A00807121F80@d830a> _____ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 9:46 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Cc: Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! Wow. Posting it somewhere else to get more people doesn't mean you have to register for the site. Meetup does, Get your head out of your keister. On Mar 13, 2015, at 21:06, Chuck Cole wrote: Publicity might not require selling the mailing list as Meetup requires. _____ From: ubuntu-us-mn-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-us-mn-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of John Frisk Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 3:50 PM To: Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team Cc: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-mn] [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! I respect people may not want to be a part of meetup due to privacy concerns. I have the intention of continuing to communicate the meetings using the penguinsunbound.com website. But as the coordinator of the group the benefits were enough to cover the organizer dues myself rather than trying to maintain self managed software. Anyone concerned can continue to reference the website for meeting times. I also felt we as a group could grow from the other IT professionals in the twin cities already on meetup that may not be aware of the group if they never had heard of us before. On Mar 13, 2015 2:45 PM, "Chuck Cole" wrote: Meetup is a commercial firm that requires groups to pay group dues and submit their member lists for their advertising purposes. Not private or self-governed. Many may not want their names submitted to this commercial operation. I'd like to hear of Penguins things, but not this way. Chuck _____ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of John Frisk Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 6:56 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List; Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team; penguinsunbound-announce at lists.ties2.net Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! Hello everyone, We have created a meetup site for Penguins Unbound. This should enable us to better communicate group activities, meeting times, place availability, etc. I hope all interested will join meetup and RSVP for the March 21st 10AM meeting so I can get accurate attendance numbers. This will also help on topic interest and meeting place requirements. (Future dates will be added once I get time). The site: http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound/ I plan on talking a bit about piwigo (the open source gallery software) http://piwigo.org/ David may present some material he's been working on about customer success in SaaS. I am waiting for confirmation on the place but will announce it once that is completed. More to come! -- ubuntu-us-mn mailing list ubuntu-us-mn at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-mn _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Fri Mar 13 22:14:34 2015 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 22:14:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: <1E1BF492F5BA44468D97A00807121F80@d830a> References: <03DA9159302C482DB6EE2193B98B2F60@d830a> <1E1BF492F5BA44468D97A00807121F80@d830a> Message-ID: You. Do. Not. Need. To. Sign. Up. For. It. Perhaps you missed it but he said already he keeps posting it to the website. > On Mar 13, 2015, at 22:10, Chuck Cole wrote: > > > > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 9:46 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Cc: Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! > > Wow. Posting it somewhere else to get more people doesn't mean you have to register for the site. > > Meetup does, > > Get your head out of your keister. > > >> On Mar 13, 2015, at 21:06, Chuck Cole wrote: >> >> Publicity might not require selling the mailing list as Meetup requires. >> >> From: ubuntu-us-mn-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-us-mn-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of John Frisk >> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 3:50 PM >> To: Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team >> Cc: TCLUG Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-mn] [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! >> >> I respect people may not want to be a part of meetup due to privacy concerns. I have the intention of continuing to communicate the meetings using the penguinsunbound.com website. But as the coordinator of the group the benefits were enough to cover the organizer dues myself rather than trying to maintain self managed software. Anyone concerned can continue to reference the website for meeting times. I also felt we as a group could grow from the other IT professionals in the twin cities already on meetup that may not be aware of the group if they never had heard of us before. >> >>> On Mar 13, 2015 2:45 PM, "Chuck Cole" wrote: >>> Meetup is a commercial firm that requires groups to pay group dues and submit their member lists for their advertising purposes. Not private or self-governed. Many may not want their names submitted to this commercial operation. I'd like to hear of Penguins things, but not this way. >>> >>> Chuck >>> >>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of John Frisk >>> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 6:56 AM >>> To: TCLUG Mailing List; Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team; penguinsunbound-announce at lists.ties2.net >>> Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! >>> >>> Hello everyone, >>> We have created a meetup site for Penguins Unbound. This should enable us to better communicate group activities, meeting times, place availability, etc. I hope all interested will join meetup and RSVP for the March 21st 10AM meeting so I can get accurate attendance numbers. This will also help on topic interest and meeting place requirements. (Future dates will be added once I get time). >>> The site: http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound/ >>> >>> I plan on talking a bit about piwigo (the open source gallery software) http://piwigo.org/ >>> >>> David may present some material he's been working on about customer success in SaaS. >>> >>> I am waiting for confirmation on the place but will announce it once that is completed. More to come! >>> >>> -- >>> ubuntu-us-mn mailing list >>> ubuntu-us-mn at lists.ubuntu.com >>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-mn >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Mar 13 22:35:47 2015 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 22:35:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: References: <03DA9159302C482DB6EE2193B98B2F60@d830a> <1E1BF492F5BA44468D97A00807121F80@d830a> Message-ID: <2559316FD06E4D00B99AC4993A122213@d830a> John said he did sign up. Meetup has required signup. Not clear that is no longer required. _____ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 10:15 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! You. Do. Not. Need. To. Sign. Up. For. It. Perhaps you missed it but he said already he keeps posting it to the website. On Mar 13, 2015, at 22:10, Chuck Cole wrote: _____ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 9:46 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Cc: Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! Wow. Posting it somewhere else to get more people doesn't mean you have to register for the site. Meetup does, Get your head out of your keister. On Mar 13, 2015, at 21:06, Chuck Cole wrote: Publicity might not require selling the mailing list as Meetup requires. _____ From: ubuntu-us-mn-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-us-mn-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of John Frisk Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 3:50 PM To: Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team Cc: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-mn] [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! I respect people may not want to be a part of meetup due to privacy concerns. I have the intention of continuing to communicate the meetings using the penguinsunbound.com website. But as the coordinator of the group the benefits were enough to cover the organizer dues myself rather than trying to maintain self managed software. Anyone concerned can continue to reference the website for meeting times. I also felt we as a group could grow from the other IT professionals in the twin cities already on meetup that may not be aware of the group if they never had heard of us before. On Mar 13, 2015 2:45 PM, "Chuck Cole" wrote: Meetup is a commercial firm that requires groups to pay group dues and submit their member lists for their advertising purposes. Not private or self-governed. Many may not want their names submitted to this commercial operation. I'd like to hear of Penguins things, but not this way. Chuck _____ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of John Frisk Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 6:56 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List; Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team; penguinsunbound-announce at lists.ties2.net Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! Hello everyone, We have created a meetup site for Penguins Unbound. This should enable us to better communicate group activities, meeting times, place availability, etc. I hope all interested will join meetup and RSVP for the March 21st 10AM meeting so I can get accurate attendance numbers. This will also help on topic interest and meeting place requirements. (Future dates will be added once I get time). The site: http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound/ I plan on talking a bit about piwigo (the open source gallery software) http://piwigo.org/ David may present some material he's been working on about customer success in SaaS. I am waiting for confirmation on the place but will announce it once that is completed. More to come! -- ubuntu-us-mn mailing list ubuntu-us-mn at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-mn _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Sat Mar 14 02:30:29 2015 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 02:30:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: <2559316FD06E4D00B99AC4993A122213@d830a> References: <03DA9159302C482DB6EE2193B98B2F60@d830a> <1E1BF492F5BA44468D97A00807121F80@d830a> <2559316FD06E4D00B99AC4993A122213@d830a> Message-ID: I'm taking about you. You have choice. Everyone has choice. > On Mar 13, 2015, at 22:35, Chuck Cole wrote: > > John said he did sign up. > > Meetup has required signup. Not clear that is no longer required. > > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 10:15 PM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! > > > You. Do. Not. Need. To. Sign. Up. For. It. > > Perhaps you missed it but he said already he keeps posting it to the website. > >> On Mar 13, 2015, at 22:10, Chuck Cole wrote: >> >> >> >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman >> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 9:46 PM >> To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Cc: Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! >> >> Wow. Posting it somewhere else to get more people doesn't mean you have to register for the site. >> >> Meetup does, >> >> Get your head out of your keister. >> >> >>> On Mar 13, 2015, at 21:06, Chuck Cole wrote: >>> >>> Publicity might not require selling the mailing list as Meetup requires. >>> >>> From: ubuntu-us-mn-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-us-mn-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of John Frisk >>> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 3:50 PM >>> To: Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team >>> Cc: TCLUG Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-mn] [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! >>> >>> I respect people may not want to be a part of meetup due to privacy concerns. I have the intention of continuing to communicate the meetings using the penguinsunbound.com website. But as the coordinator of the group the benefits were enough to cover the organizer dues myself rather than trying to maintain self managed software. Anyone concerned can continue to reference the website for meeting times. I also felt we as a group could grow from the other IT professionals in the twin cities already on meetup that may not be aware of the group if they never had heard of us before. >>> >>>> On Mar 13, 2015 2:45 PM, "Chuck Cole" wrote: >>>> Meetup is a commercial firm that requires groups to pay group dues and submit their member lists for their advertising purposes. Not private or self-governed. Many may not want their names submitted to this commercial operation. I'd like to hear of Penguins things, but not this way. >>>> >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of John Frisk >>>> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 6:56 AM >>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List; Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team; penguinsunbound-announce at lists.ties2.net >>>> Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! >>>> >>>> Hello everyone, >>>> We have created a meetup site for Penguins Unbound. This should enable us to better communicate group activities, meeting times, place availability, etc. I hope all interested will join meetup and RSVP for the March 21st 10AM meeting so I can get accurate attendance numbers. This will also help on topic interest and meeting place requirements. (Future dates will be added once I get time). >>>> The site: http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound/ >>>> >>>> I plan on talking a bit about piwigo (the open source gallery software) http://piwigo.org/ >>>> >>>> David may present some material he's been working on about customer success in SaaS. >>>> >>>> I am waiting for confirmation on the place but will announce it once that is completed. More to come! >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ubuntu-us-mn mailing list >>>> ubuntu-us-mn at lists.ubuntu.com >>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-mn >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cncole at earthlink.net Sat Mar 14 02:53:10 2015 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 02:53:10 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: References: <03DA9159302C482DB6EE2193B98B2F60@d830a> <1E1BF492F5BA44468D97A00807121F80@d830a> <2559316FD06E4D00B99AC4993A122213@d830a> Message-ID: <578C51B700FA44E29A548A35CC0AFD4E@d830a> Irrelevant. Off topic _____ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 2:30 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! I'm taking about you. You have choice. Everyone has choice. On Mar 13, 2015, at 22:35, Chuck Cole wrote: John said he did sign up. Meetup has required signup. Not clear that is no longer required. _____ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 10:15 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! You. Do. Not. Need. To. Sign. Up. For. It. Perhaps you missed it but he said already he keeps posting it to the website. On Mar 13, 2015, at 22:10, Chuck Cole wrote: _____ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 9:46 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Cc: Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! Wow. Posting it somewhere else to get more people doesn't mean you have to register for the site. Meetup does, Get your head out of your keister. On Mar 13, 2015, at 21:06, Chuck Cole wrote: Publicity might not require selling the mailing list as Meetup requires. _____ From: ubuntu-us-mn-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-us-mn-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of John Frisk Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 3:50 PM To: Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team Cc: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-mn] [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! I respect people may not want to be a part of meetup due to privacy concerns. I have the intention of continuing to communicate the meetings using the penguinsunbound.com website. But as the coordinator of the group the benefits were enough to cover the organizer dues myself rather than trying to maintain self managed software. Anyone concerned can continue to reference the website for meeting times. I also felt we as a group could grow from the other IT professionals in the twin cities already on meetup that may not be aware of the group if they never had heard of us before. On Mar 13, 2015 2:45 PM, "Chuck Cole" wrote: Meetup is a commercial firm that requires groups to pay group dues and submit their member lists for their advertising purposes. Not private or self-governed. Many may not want their names submitted to this commercial operation. I'd like to hear of Penguins things, but not this way. Chuck _____ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of John Frisk Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 6:56 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List; Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team; penguinsunbound-announce at lists.ties2.net Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! Hello everyone, We have created a meetup site for Penguins Unbound. This should enable us to better communicate group activities, meeting times, place availability, etc. I hope all interested will join meetup and RSVP for the March 21st 10AM meeting so I can get accurate attendance numbers. This will also help on topic interest and meeting place requirements. (Future dates will be added once I get time). The site: http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound/ I plan on talking a bit about piwigo (the open source gallery software) http://piwigo.org/ David may present some material he's been working on about customer success in SaaS. I am waiting for confirmation on the place but will announce it once that is completed. More to come! -- ubuntu-us-mn mailing list ubuntu-us-mn at lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-mn _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Sat Mar 14 06:16:33 2015 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 06:16:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: <578C51B700FA44E29A548A35CC0AFD4E@d830a> References: <03DA9159302C482DB6EE2193B98B2F60@d830a> <1E1BF492F5BA44468D97A00807121F80@d830a> <2559316FD06E4D00B99AC4993A122213@d830a> <578C51B700FA44E29A548A35CC0AFD4E@d830a> Message-ID: Bull. Your personal issues with it are on topic - you brought it up in the first place. > On Mar 14, 2015, at 02:53, Chuck Cole wrote: > > Irrelevant. Off topic > > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 2:30 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! > > I'm taking about you. > > You have choice. Everyone has choice. > > > >> On Mar 13, 2015, at 22:35, Chuck Cole wrote: >> >> John said he did sign up. >> >> Meetup has required signup. Not clear that is no longer required. >> >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman >> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 10:15 PM >> To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! >> >> >> You. Do. Not. Need. To. Sign. Up. For. It. >> >> Perhaps you missed it but he said already he keeps posting it to the website. >> >>> On Mar 13, 2015, at 22:10, Chuck Cole wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman >>> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 9:46 PM >>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>> Cc: Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team >>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! >>> >>> Wow. Posting it somewhere else to get more people doesn't mean you have to register for the site. >>> >>> Meetup does, >>> >>> Get your head out of your keister. >>> >>> >>>> On Mar 13, 2015, at 21:06, Chuck Cole wrote: >>>> >>>> Publicity might not require selling the mailing list as Meetup requires. >>>> >>>> From: ubuntu-us-mn-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-us-mn-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of John Frisk >>>> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 3:50 PM >>>> To: Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team >>>> Cc: TCLUG Mailing List >>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-mn] [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! >>>> >>>> I respect people may not want to be a part of meetup due to privacy concerns. I have the intention of continuing to communicate the meetings using the penguinsunbound.com website. But as the coordinator of the group the benefits were enough to cover the organizer dues myself rather than trying to maintain self managed software. Anyone concerned can continue to reference the website for meeting times. I also felt we as a group could grow from the other IT professionals in the twin cities already on meetup that may not be aware of the group if they never had heard of us before. >>>> >>>>> On Mar 13, 2015 2:45 PM, "Chuck Cole" wrote: >>>>> Meetup is a commercial firm that requires groups to pay group dues and submit their member lists for their advertising purposes. Not private or self-governed. Many may not want their names submitted to this commercial operation. I'd like to hear of Penguins things, but not this way. >>>>> >>>>> Chuck >>>>> >>>>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of John Frisk >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 6:56 AM >>>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List; Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team; penguinsunbound-announce at lists.ties2.net >>>>> Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! >>>>> >>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>> We have created a meetup site for Penguins Unbound. This should enable us to better communicate group activities, meeting times, place availability, etc. I hope all interested will join meetup and RSVP for the March 21st 10AM meeting so I can get accurate attendance numbers. This will also help on topic interest and meeting place requirements. (Future dates will be added once I get time). >>>>> The site: http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound/ >>>>> >>>>> I plan on talking a bit about piwigo (the open source gallery software) http://piwigo.org/ >>>>> >>>>> David may present some material he's been working on about customer success in SaaS. >>>>> >>>>> I am waiting for confirmation on the place but will announce it once that is completed. More to come! >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ubuntu-us-mn mailing list >>>>> ubuntu-us-mn at lists.ubuntu.com >>>>> Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-mn >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Sat Mar 14 06:27:13 2015 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 06:27:13 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: References: <03DA9159302C482DB6EE2193B98B2F60@d830a> <1E1BF492F5BA44468D97A00807121F80@d830a> <2559316FD06E4D00B99AC4993A122213@d830a> <578C51B700FA44E29A548A35CC0AFD4E@d830a> Message-ID: <25019BA2-F9E2-4F87-8A37-F5B22E751A2A@cwis.biz> Chuck, It?s a secondary means to get people to know about it. There is no requirement for you or anyone to register for it - in fact I can see everything going on in my area RIGHT NOW without entering a single piece of personal information. It tells me where, when, who hosts? and I don?t have to sign up. Take a look at the MSP WP group post: http://www.meetup.com/Minneapolis-St-Paul-WordPress-User-Group/ > On Mar 14, 2015, at 6:16 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > > Bull. Your personal issues with it are on topic - you brought it up in the first place. > > > > On Mar 14, 2015, at 02:53, Chuck Cole > wrote: > >> Irrelevant. Off topic >> >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org ] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman >> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 2:30 AM >> To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! >> >> I'm taking about you. >> >> You have choice. Everyone has choice. >> >> >> >> On Mar 13, 2015, at 22:35, Chuck Cole > wrote: >> >>> John said he did sign up. >>> >>> Meetup has required signup. Not clear that is no longer required. >>> >>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org ] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman >>> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 10:15 PM >>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! >>> >>> >>> You. Do. Not. Need. To. Sign. Up. For. It. >>> >>> Perhaps you missed it but he said already he keeps posting it to the website. >>> >>> On Mar 13, 2015, at 22:10, Chuck Cole > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org ] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman >>>> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 9:46 PM >>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>>> Cc: Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team >>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! >>>> >>>> Wow. Posting it somewhere else to get more people doesn't mean you have to register for the site. >>>> >>>> Meetup does, >>>> >>>> Get your head out of your keister. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 13, 2015, at 21:06, Chuck Cole > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Publicity might not require selling the mailing list as Meetup requires. >>>>> >>>>> From: ubuntu-us-mn-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-us-mn-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com ] On Behalf Of John Frisk >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 3:50 PM >>>>> To: Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team >>>>> Cc: TCLUG Mailing List >>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-mn] [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! >>>>> >>>>> I respect people may not want to be a part of meetup due to privacy concerns. I have the intention of continuing to communicate the meetings using the penguinsunbound.com website. But as the coordinator of the group the benefits were enough to cover the organizer dues myself rather than trying to maintain self managed software. Anyone concerned can continue to reference the website for meeting times. I also felt we as a group could grow from the other IT professionals in the twin cities already on meetup that may not be aware of the group if they never had heard of us before. >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 13, 2015 2:45 PM, "Chuck Cole" > wrote: >>>>> Meetup is a commercial firm that requires groups to pay group dues and submit their member lists for their advertising purposes. Not private or self-governed. Many may not want their names submitted to this commercial operation. I'd like to hear of Penguins things, but not this way. >>>>> >>>>> Chuck >>>>> >>>>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org ] On Behalf Of John Frisk >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 6:56 AM >>>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List; Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team; penguinsunbound-announce at lists.ties2.net >>>>> Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! >>>>> >>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>> We have created a meetup site for Penguins Unbound. This should enable us to better communicate group activities, meeting times, place availability, etc. I hope all interested will join meetup and RSVP for the March 21st 10AM meeting so I can get accurate attendance numbers. This will also help on topic interest and meeting place requirements. (Future dates will be added once I get time). >>>>> The site: http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound/ >>>>> >>>>> I plan on talking a bit about piwigo (the open source gallery software) http://piwigo.org/ >>>>> >>>>> David may present some material he's been working on about customer success in SaaS. >>>>> >>>>> I am waiting for confirmation on the place but will announce it once that is completed. More to come! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cncole at earthlink.net Sat Mar 14 09:14:41 2015 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 09:14:41 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: <25019BA2-F9E2-4F87-8A37-F5B22E751A2A@cwis.biz> References: <03DA9159302C482DB6EE2193B98B2F60@d830a> <1E1BF492F5BA44468D97A00807121F80@d830a> <2559316FD06E4D00B99AC4993A122213@d830a> <578C51B700FA44E29A548A35CC0AFD4E@d830a> <25019BA2-F9E2-4F87-8A37-F5B22E751A2A@cwis.biz> Message-ID: <18ECCA9DC4A64F3590D13313D2B5A3B0@d830a> Read the data: Meetup is a commercial operation that charges a fee and has other "ownership" conditions that are not clearly stated. My comments are only about avoiding selling our names by giving out the mailing list to Meetup, and only that. _____ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 6:27 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! Chuck, It's a secondary means to get people to know about it. There is no requirement for you or anyone to register for it - in fact I can see everything going on in my area RIGHT NOW without entering a single piece of personal information. It tells me where, when, who hosts. and I don't have to sign up. Take a look at the MSP WP group post: http://www.meetup.com/Minneapolis-St-Paul-WordPress-User-Group/ On Mar 14, 2015, at 6:16 AM, Ryan Coleman wrote: Bull. Your personal issues with it are on topic - you brought it up in the first place. On Mar 14, 2015, at 02:53, Chuck Cole wrote: Irrelevant. Off topic _____ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 2:30 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! I'm taking about you. You have choice. Everyone has choice. On Mar 13, 2015, at 22:35, Chuck Cole wrote: John said he did sign up. Meetup has required signup. Not clear that is no longer required. _____ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 10:15 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! You. Do. Not. Need. To. Sign. Up. For. It. Perhaps you missed it but he said already he keeps posting it to the website. On Mar 13, 2015, at 22:10, Chuck Cole wrote: _____ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 9:46 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Cc: Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! Wow. Posting it somewhere else to get more people doesn't mean you have to register for the site. Meetup does, Get your head out of your keister. On Mar 13, 2015, at 21:06, Chuck Cole wrote: Publicity might not require selling the mailing list as Meetup requires. _____ From: ubuntu-us-mn-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-us-mn-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of John Frisk Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 3:50 PM To: Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team Cc: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-mn] [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! I respect people may not want to be a part of meetup due to privacy concerns. I have the intention of continuing to communicate the meetings using the penguinsunbound.com website. But as the coordinator of the group the benefits were enough to cover the organizer dues myself rather than trying to maintain self managed software. Anyone concerned can continue to reference the website for meeting times. I also felt we as a group could grow from the other IT professionals in the twin cities already on meetup that may not be aware of the group if they never had heard of us before. On Mar 13, 2015 2:45 PM, "Chuck Cole" wrote: Meetup is a commercial firm that requires groups to pay group dues and submit their member lists for their advertising purposes. Not private or self-governed. Many may not want their names submitted to this commercial operation. I'd like to hear of Penguins things, but not this way. Chuck _____ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of John Frisk Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 6:56 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List; Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team; penguinsunbound-announce at lists.ties2.net Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! Hello everyone, We have created a meetup site for Penguins Unbound. This should enable us to better communicate group activities, meeting times, place availability, etc. I hope all interested will join meetup and RSVP for the March 21st 10AM meeting so I can get accurate attendance numbers. This will also help on topic interest and meeting place requirements. (Future dates will be added once I get time). The site: http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound/ I plan on talking a bit about piwigo (the open source gallery software) http://piwigo.org/ David may present some material he's been working on about customer success in SaaS. I am waiting for confirmation on the place but will announce it once that is completed. More to come! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kjh at flyballdogs.com Sat Mar 14 09:19:44 2015 From: kjh at flyballdogs.com (Kathryn Hogg) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 09:19:44 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: <18ECCA9DC4A64F3590D13313D2B5A3B0@d830a> References: <03DA9159302C482DB6EE2193B98B2F60@d830a> <1E1BF492F5BA44468D97A00807121F80@d830a> <2559316FD06E4D00B99AC4993A122213@d830a> <578C51B700FA44E29A548A35CC0AFD4E@d830a> <25019BA2-F9E2-4F87-8A37-F5B22E751A2A@cwis.biz> <18ECCA9DC4A64F3590D13313D2B5A3B0@d830a> Message-ID: <57cb54c43f038a838b788025e1161f9a@flyballdogs.com> On 2015-03-14 09:14, Chuck Cole wrote: > Read the data: Meetup is a commercial operation that charges a fee and > has other "ownership" conditions that are not clearly stated. My > comments are only about avoiding selling our names by giving out the > mailing list to Meetup, and only that. > > I use meetup for another organization and we never give out names to Meetup. People decide, all on their own, to create an account on Meetup and then join our Meetup group. -- Kathryn http://womensfooty.com From cncole at earthlink.net Sat Mar 14 10:57:34 2015 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 10:57:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: <57cb54c43f038a838b788025e1161f9a@flyballdogs.com> References: <03DA9159302C482DB6EE2193B98B2F60@d830a> <1E1BF492F5BA44468D97A00807121F80@d830a> <2559316FD06E4D00B99AC4993A122213@d830a> <578C51B700FA44E29A548A35CC0AFD4E@d830a> <25019BA2-F9E2-4F87-8A37-F5B22E751A2A@cwis.biz> <18ECCA9DC4A64F3590D13313D2B5A3B0@d830a> <57cb54c43f038a838b788025e1161f9a@flyballdogs.com> Message-ID: <74E1F280E61B4515B9EAF8071778FC27@d830a> Then the rules have changed. That's good. > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hogg > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 9:20 AM > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is > on Meetup! > > On 2015-03-14 09:14, Chuck Cole wrote: > > Read the data: Meetup is a commercial operation that > charges a fee and > > has other "ownership" conditions that are not clearly stated. My > > comments are only about avoiding selling our names by giving out the > > mailing list to Meetup, and only that. > > > > > > I use meetup for another organization and we never give out names to > Meetup. People decide, all on their own, to create an > account on Meetup > and then join our Meetup group. > > -- > Kathryn > http://womensfooty.com > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From kjh at flyballdogs.com Sat Mar 14 10:59:16 2015 From: kjh at flyballdogs.com (Kathryn Hogg) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 10:59:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: <74E1F280E61B4515B9EAF8071778FC27@d830a> References: <03DA9159302C482DB6EE2193B98B2F60@d830a> <1E1BF492F5BA44468D97A00807121F80@d830a> <2559316FD06E4D00B99AC4993A122213@d830a> <578C51B700FA44E29A548A35CC0AFD4E@d830a> <25019BA2-F9E2-4F87-8A37-F5B22E751A2A@cwis.biz> <18ECCA9DC4A64F3590D13313D2B5A3B0@d830a> <57cb54c43f038a838b788025e1161f9a@flyballdogs.com> <74E1F280E61B4515B9EAF8071778FC27@d830a> Message-ID: <01e9f8be519e3c4df4cf51ae78bbb876@flyballdogs.com> On 2015-03-14 10:57, Chuck Cole wrote: > Then the rules have changed. That's good. Its been like that since 2011. -- Kathryn http://womensfooty.com From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Sat Mar 14 14:21:54 2015 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 14:21:54 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: <18ECCA9DC4A64F3590D13313D2B5A3B0@d830a> References: <03DA9159302C482DB6EE2193B98B2F60@d830a> <1E1BF492F5BA44468D97A00807121F80@d830a> <2559316FD06E4D00B99AC4993A122213@d830a> <578C51B700FA44E29A548A35CC0AFD4E@d830a> <25019BA2-F9E2-4F87-8A37-F5B22E751A2A@cwis.biz> <18ECCA9DC4A64F3590D13313D2B5A3B0@d830a> Message-ID: <3660E44E-4ED9-4D3E-A768-9E3D7EFCE711@cwis.biz> Did you not read the page I sent you? No? Arrogance of the actual terms and citing WikiPedia as a reference just shows that you haven?t taken the time to understand the proposal. You DO NOT HAVE TO SIGN UP ON THE PAGE TO KNOW ABOUT THE EVENT. Please stop replying to the tread. Please. > On Mar 14, 2015, at 9:14 AM, Chuck Cole wrote: > > Read the data: Meetup is a commercial operation that charges a fee and has other "ownership" conditions that are not clearly stated. My comments are only about avoiding selling our names by giving out the mailing list to Meetup, and only that. > > > > > >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman >> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 6:27 AM >> To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! >> >> Chuck, >> >> It?s a secondary means to get people to know about it. There is no requirement for you or anyone to register for it - in fact I can see everything going on in my area RIGHT NOW without entering a single piece of personal information. >> >> It tells me where, when, who hosts? and I don?t have to sign up. >> Take a look at the MSP WP group post: http://www.meetup.com/Minneapolis-St-Paul-WordPress-User-Group/ >> >> >> >> >>> On Mar 14, 2015, at 6:16 AM, Ryan Coleman > wrote: >>> >>> Bull. Your personal issues with it are on topic - you brought it up in the first place. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 14, 2015, at 02:53, Chuck Cole > wrote: >>> >>>> Irrelevant. Off topic >>>> >>>>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org ] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman >>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2015 2:30 AM >>>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! >>>>> >>>>> I'm taking about you. >>>>> >>>>> You have choice. Everyone has choice. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 13, 2015, at 22:35, Chuck Cole > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> John said he did sign up. >>>>>> >>>>>> Meetup has required signup. Not clear that is no longer required. >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org ] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 10:15 PM >>>>>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You. Do. Not. Need. To. Sign. Up. For. It. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Perhaps you missed it but he said already he keeps posting it to the website. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 13, 2015, at 22:10, Chuck Cole > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org ] On Behalf Of Ryan Coleman >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 9:46 PM >>>>>>>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List >>>>>>>>> Cc: Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wow. Posting it somewhere else to get more people doesn't mean you have to register for the site. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Meetup does, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Get your head out of your keister. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 13, 2015, at 21:06, Chuck Cole > wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Publicity might not require selling the mailing list as Meetup requires. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From: ubuntu-us-mn-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-us-mn-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com ] On Behalf Of John Frisk >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 3:50 PM >>>>>>>>>>> To: Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team >>>>>>>>>>> Cc: TCLUG Mailing List >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-us-mn] [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I respect people may not want to be a part of meetup due to privacy concerns. I have the intention of continuing to communicate the meetings using the penguinsunbound.com website. But as the coordinator of the group the benefits were enough to cover the organizer dues myself rather than trying to maintain self managed software. Anyone concerned can continue to reference the website for meeting times. I also felt we as a group could grow from the other IT professionals in the twin cities already on meetup that may not be aware of the group if they never had heard of us before. >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 13, 2015 2:45 PM, "Chuck Cole" > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Meetup is a commercial firm that requires groups to pay group dues and submit their member lists for their advertising purposes. Not private or self-governed. Many may not want their names submitted to this commercial operation. I'd like to hear of Penguins things, but not this way. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org ] On Behalf Of John Frisk >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 6:56 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: TCLUG Mailing List; Ubuntu Minnesota Local Community Team; penguinsunbound-announce at lists.ties2.net >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>>>>>>>>> We have created a meetup site for Penguins Unbound. This should enable us to better communicate group activities, meeting times, place availability, etc. I hope all interested will join meetup and RSVP for the March 21st 10AM meeting so I can get accurate attendance numbers. This will also help on topic interest and meeting place requirements. (Future dates will be added once I get time). >>>>>>>>>>>>> The site: http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I plan on talking a bit about piwigo (the open source gallery software) http://piwigo.org/ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> David may present some material he's been working on about customer success in SaaS. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am waiting for confirmation on the place but will announce it once that is completed. More to come! >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From allanf at linuxquestions.net Sat Mar 14 18:52:13 2015 From: allanf at linuxquestions.net (AL F) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 18:52:13 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have tried to stay off peoples lists for a long time. I do not my name, email addres, etc given to a company! On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 6:55 AM, John Frisk wrote: > Hello everyone, > We have created a meetup site for Penguins Unbound. This should enable us > to better communicate group activities, meeting times, place availability, > etc. I hope all interested will join meetup and RSVP for the March 21st > 10AM meeting so I can get accurate attendance numbers. This will also help > on topic interest and meeting place requirements. (Future dates will be > added once I get time). > The site: http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound/ > > I plan on talking a bit about piwigo (the open source gallery software) > http://piwigo.org/ > > David may present some material he's been working on about customer > success in SaaS. > > I am waiting for confirmation on the place but will announce it once that > is completed. More to come! > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Sat Mar 14 20:31:31 2015 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 20:31:31 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D597D55-3FFF-4622-B057-86C1C797591B@cwis.biz> Then don?t sign up? they aren?t passing THIS list to them. ::SMFH:: > On Mar 14, 2015, at 6:52 PM, AL F wrote: > > I have tried to stay off peoples lists for a long time. I do not my name, email addres, etc given to a company! > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 6:55 AM, John Frisk > wrote: > Hello everyone, > We have created a meetup site for Penguins Unbound. This should enable us to better communicate group activities, meeting times, place availability, etc. I hope all interested will join meetup and RSVP for the March 21st 10AM meeting so I can get accurate attendance numbers. This will also help on topic interest and meeting place requirements. (Future dates will be added once I get time). > The site: http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound/ > > I plan on talking a bit about piwigo (the open source gallery software) http://piwigo.org/ > > David may present some material he's been working on about customer success in SaaS. > > I am waiting for confirmation on the place but will announce it once that is completed. More to come! > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kjh at flyballdogs.com Sat Mar 14 20:38:02 2015 From: kjh at flyballdogs.com (Kathryn Hogg) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 20:38:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: <0D597D55-3FFF-4622-B057-86C1C797591B@cwis.biz> References: <0D597D55-3FFF-4622-B057-86C1C797591B@cwis.biz> Message-ID: On 2015-03-14 20:31, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Then don?t sign up? they aren?t passing THIS list to them. And you don't pass lists to them anyways. You create a meetup group and then people can join it. In order to join it, you need to have an account on meetup. -- Kathryn http://womensfooty.com From allanf at linuxquestions.net Sat Mar 14 22:24:46 2015 From: allanf at linuxquestions.net (AL F) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 22:24:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: References: <0D597D55-3FFF-4622-B057-86C1C797591B@cwis.biz> Message-ID: Then in order to use the list, all would have to give up information. This is not a good solution to goto "meetup"!!!! On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Kathryn Hogg wrote: > On 2015-03-14 20:31, Ryan Coleman wrote: > >> Then don?t sign up? they aren?t passing THIS list to them. >> > > And you don't pass lists to them anyways. You create a meetup group and > then people can join it. In order to join it, you need to have an account > on meetup. > > -- > Kathryn > http://womensfooty.com > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Sat Mar 14 22:50:13 2015 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 22:50:13 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: References: <0D597D55-3FFF-4622-B057-86C1C797591B@cwis.biz> Message-ID: Oh my god? we?re not talking about taking the MAILING LIST over there. Just a notification about the monthly meeting. Do people not read anymore? > Hello everyone, > We have created a meetup site for Penguins Unbound. This should enable us > to better communicate group activities, meeting times, place availability, > etc. I hope all interested will join meetup and RSVP for the March 21st > 10AM meeting so I can get accurate attendance numbers. This will also help > on topic interest and meeting place requirements. (Future dates will be > added once I get time). This is ONLY for the meeting. > On Mar 14, 2015, at 10:24 PM, AL F wrote: > > Then in order to use the list, all would have to give up information. This is not a good solution to goto "meetup"!!!! > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Kathryn Hogg > wrote: > On 2015-03-14 20:31, Ryan Coleman wrote: > Then don?t sign up? they aren?t passing THIS list to them. > > And you don't pass lists to them anyways. You create a meetup group and then people can join it. In order to join it, you need to have an account on meetup. > > -- > Kathryn > http://womensfooty.com > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Sun Mar 15 01:27:42 2015 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:27:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: You taught me about 'Funtoo' ;.I Thank you for taking your time to talk about 'Gentoo' further. From: allanf at linuxquestions.net Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 18:52:13 -0500 To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! I have tried to stay off peoples lists for a long time. I do not my name, email addres, etc given to a company! On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 6:55 AM, John Frisk wrote: Hello everyone, We have created a meetup site for Penguins Unbound. This should enable us to better communicate group activities, meeting times, place availability, etc. I hope all interested will join meetup and RSVP for the March 21st 10AM meeting so I can get accurate attendance numbers. This will also help on topic interest and meeting place requirements. (Future dates will be added once I get time). The site: http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound/ I plan on talking a bit about piwigo (the open source gallery software) http://piwigo.org/ David may present some material he's been working on about customer success in SaaS. I am waiting for confirmation on the place but will announce it once that is completed. More to come! _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Sun Mar 15 01:31:50 2015 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:31:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Paul, You have been banned form the list. Also you said you were leaving. Please do not post again. On Sun, 15 Mar 2015, paul g wrote: > You taught me about 'Funtoo' ;.I Thank you for taking your time to talk > about 'Gentoo' further. > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > From: allanf at linuxquestions.net > Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 18:52:13 -0500 > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! > > I have tried to stay off peoples lists for a long time.? I do not my name, > email addres, etc given to a company! > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 6:55 AM, John Frisk wrote: > Hello everyone, > We have created a meetup site for Penguins Unbound.? This should > enable us to better communicate group activities, meeting times, place > availability, etc.? I hope all interested will join meetup? and RSVP > for the March 21st 10AM meeting so I can get accurate attendance > numbers.? This will also help on topic interest and meeting place > requirements. (Future dates will be added once I get time). > The site: http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound/ > > I plan on talking a bit about piwigo (the open source gallery > software)? http://piwigo.org/ > > David may present some material he's been working on about customer > success in SaaS. > > I am waiting for confirmation on the place but will announce it once > that is completed. More to come! > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From pj.world at hotmail.com Sun Mar 15 01:35:20 2015 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:35:20 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: References: , , , , Message-ID: Clug, I want to post again I have insight in this list and I want to be a part of it! Talk with 'John Frisk' and tell how you feel then. thank you for your time, Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:31:50 -0500 From: tclug at freakzilla.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! Paul, You have been banned form the list. Also you said you were leaving. Please do not post again. On Sun, 15 Mar 2015, paul g wrote: > You taught me about 'Funtoo' ;.I Thank you for taking your time to talk > about 'Gentoo' further. > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > From: allanf at linuxquestions.net > Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 18:52:13 -0500 > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! > > I have tried to stay off peoples lists for a long time. I do not my name, > email addres, etc given to a company! > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 6:55 AM, John Frisk wrote: > Hello everyone, > We have created a meetup site for Penguins Unbound. This should > enable us to better communicate group activities, meeting times, place > availability, etc. I hope all interested will join meetup and RSVP > for the March 21st 10AM meeting so I can get accurate attendance > numbers. This will also help on topic interest and meeting place > requirements. (Future dates will be added once I get time). > The site: http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound/ > > I plan on talking a bit about piwigo (the open source gallery > software) http://piwigo.org/ > > David may present some material he's been working on about customer > success in SaaS. > > I am waiting for confirmation on the place but will announce it once > that is completed. More to come! > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Sun Mar 15 02:01:23 2015 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 02:01:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: References: , , , , Message-ID: Paul, You have PROMISED us that you will not return to the list. Your behaviour on the list ranges from slightly annoying to downright abusive, and you are not welcome here. On Sun, 15 Mar 2015, paul g wrote: > Clug, > > I want to post again I have insight in this list and I want to be a part of > it! Talk with 'John Frisk' and tell how you feel then. > > thank you for your time, > > > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:31:50 -0500 > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! > > Paul, > > You have been banned form the list. Also you said you were leaving. Please > do not post again. > > On Sun, 15 Mar 2015, paul g wrote: > > > You taught me about 'Funtoo' ;.I Thank you for taking your time to talk > > about 'Gentoo' further. > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > > From: allanf at linuxquestions.net > > Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 18:52:13 -0500 > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! > > > > I have tried to stay off peoples lists for a long time.? I do not my name, > > email addres, etc given to a company! > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 6:55 AM, John Frisk wrote > : > > Hello everyone, > > We have created a meetup site for Penguins Unbound.? This should > > enable us to better communicate group activities, meeting times, place > > availability, etc.? I hope all interested will join meetup? and RSVP > > for the March 21st 10AM meeting so I can get accurate attendance > > numbers.? This will also help on topic interest and meeting place > > requirements. (Future dates will be added once I get time). > > The site: http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound/ > > > > I plan on talking a bit about piwigo (the open source gallery > > software)? http://piwigo.org/ > > > > David may present some material he's been working on about customer > > success in SaaS. > > > > I am waiting for confirmation on the place but will announce it once > > that is completed. More to come! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From pj.world at hotmail.com Sun Mar 15 02:27:34 2015 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 02:27:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: References: , , , , , , , , , Message-ID: Understood and goodbye. Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 02:01:23 -0500 From: tclug at freakzilla.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! Paul, You have PROMISED us that you will not return to the list. Your behaviour on the list ranges from slightly annoying to downright abusive, and you are not welcome here. On Sun, 15 Mar 2015, paul g wrote: > Clug, > > I want to post again I have insight in this list and I want to be a part of > it! Talk with 'John Frisk' and tell how you feel then. > > thank you for your time, > > > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:31:50 -0500 > From: tclug at freakzilla.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! > > Paul, > > You have been banned form the list. Also you said you were leaving. Please > do not post again. > > On Sun, 15 Mar 2015, paul g wrote: > > > You taught me about 'Funtoo' ;.I Thank you for taking your time to talk > > about 'Gentoo' further. > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > __ > > From: allanf at linuxquestions.net > > Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 18:52:13 -0500 > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! > > > > I have tried to stay off peoples lists for a long time. I do not my name, > > email addres, etc given to a company! > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 6:55 AM, John Frisk wrote > : > > Hello everyone, > > We have created a meetup site for Penguins Unbound. This should > > enable us to better communicate group activities, meeting times, place > > availability, etc. I hope all interested will join meetup and RSVP > > for the March 21st 10AM meeting so I can get accurate attendance > > numbers. This will also help on topic interest and meeting place > > requirements. (Future dates will be added once I get time). > > The site: http://www.meetup.com/PenguinsUnbound/ > > > > I plan on talking a bit about piwigo (the open source gallery > > software) http://piwigo.org/ > > > > David may present some material he's been working on about customer > > success in SaaS. > > > > I am waiting for confirmation on the place but will announce it once > > that is completed. More to come! > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Mar 16 22:10:54 2015 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 21:10:54 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: <578C51B700FA44E29A548A35CC0AFD4E@d830a> References: <03DA9159302C482DB6EE2193B98B2F60@d830a> <1E1BF492F5BA44468D97A00807121F80@d830a> <2559316FD06E4D00B99AC4993A122213@d830a> <578C51B700FA44E29A548A35CC0AFD4E@d830a> Message-ID: <55079B3E.2070106@beer.tclug.org> Chuck, as it's been made abundantly clear (at least to everyone else) that the vast majority of the TCLUG membership is completely disinterested in obtaining non-profit status, and you continue to beat that dead and rotting horse, your dismissal of someone else's commentary as irrelevant or off-topic is pretty hypocritical. Jima On 2015-03-14 01:53, Chuck Cole wrote: > Irrelevant. Off topic > > On 2015-03-14 02:30, Ryan Coleman wrote: > I'm taking about you. > > You have choice. Everyone has choice. From cncole at earthlink.net Tue Mar 17 05:12:21 2015 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 05:12:21 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: <55079B3E.2070106@beer.tclug.org> References: <03DA9159302C482DB6EE2193B98B2F60@d830a> <1E1BF492F5BA44468D97A00807121F80@d830a> <2559316FD06E4D00B99AC4993A122213@d830a> <578C51B700FA44E29A548A35CC0AFD4E@d830a> <55079B3E.2070106@beer.tclug.org> Message-ID: <447F35C16F26494B8A36B93A1E27A1D9@d830a> > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jima > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 10:11 PM > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is > on Meetup! > > Chuck, as it's been made abundantly clear (at least to everyone else) > that the vast majority of the TCLUG membership is completely > disinterested in obtaining non-profit status, and you > continue to beat that dead and rotting horse, your dismissal of someone else's > commentary as irrelevant or off-topic is pretty hypocritical. > > Jima > > On 2015-03-14 01:53, Chuck Cole wrote: > > Irrelevant. Off topic Hardly hypocritical: the comment simply was not about the topic of "Meetups". The original Meetup rules have been relaxed greatly. Being non-profit matters a bunch, even if not to TCLUG. I had certainly noticed the lack of interest among TCLUGers, but lack of non-profit status is a problem for Penguins since most meeting spaces require non-profit status to meet there. We had offered to help since Penguins no longer has a home with TIES. Getting sponsorship is difficult if neither non-profit, nor an actual group. I'm currently Vice Chair of the TC IEEE Computer Society which is 501c3 non-profit. I've been a member for 20 years. IEEE is the world's largest professional association, plus being the world's largest technical publisher. Some of what we do includes developing the technology by which you have computers, networking, WiFi, cell phones, power plants, etc. FWIW, we also offer CEUs and for-credit courses, etc. You probably have heard of IEEE 802.x network specs, and others. We will be doing some things with Linux applications as a resource group, and hope to have good relations with TCLUG, Penguins, and TCPC's Linux on Saturdays, etc. Our emphasis upon applications is synergistic with OS and networking, and has been overlooked for many years by TCLUG, et al. We will launch the Technical Professional's Linux Applications Group (TPLAG) in early April. Initially, membership is only open to the 3,000+ IEEE members in this area, but will be opened more fully later on. Because we are a true professional association, we can and do have programs, study groups, development projects, and can advise community and industry as TCLUG and TCWUG found they could not. We just did a technical assessment and quality check at a local brewery on Saturday :-) We are currently working with the Star Tribune on an industrial automation project to help them resolve problems with an automated fork lift system that feeds paper to the presses. Another project group is developing a device for medical technology. Being a non-profit professional association is just a different way of interacting with the community and the world. YMMV. Chuck From jima at beer.tclug.org Tue Mar 17 08:03:12 2015 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 07:03:12 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: <447F35C16F26494B8A36B93A1E27A1D9@d830a> References: <03DA9159302C482DB6EE2193B98B2F60@d830a> <1E1BF492F5BA44468D97A00807121F80@d830a> <2559316FD06E4D00B99AC4993A122213@d830a> <578C51B700FA44E29A548A35CC0AFD4E@d830a> <55079B3E.2070106@beer.tclug.org> <447F35C16F26494B8A36B93A1E27A1D9@d830a> Message-ID: <55082610.80008@beer.tclug.org> On 2015-03-17 04:12, Chuck Cole wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jima >> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 10:11 PM >> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is >> on Meetup! >> >> Chuck, as it's been made abundantly clear (at least to everyone else) >> that the vast majority of the TCLUG membership is completely >> disinterested in obtaining non-profit status, and you >> continue to beat that dead and rotting horse, your dismissal of someone > else's >> commentary as irrelevant or off-topic is pretty hypocritical. >> >> Jima >> >> On 2015-03-14 01:53, Chuck Cole wrote: >>> Irrelevant. Off topic > > Hardly hypocritical: the comment simply was not about the topic of > "Meetups". The original Meetup rules have been relaxed greatly. > > Being non-profit matters a bunch, even if not to TCLUG. I had certainly > noticed the lack of interest among TCLUGers, but lack of non-profit status > is a problem for Penguins since most meeting spaces require non-profit > status to meet there. We had offered to help since Penguins no longer has a > home with TIES. Getting sponsorship is difficult if neither non-profit, nor > an actual group. Repeating yourself years later doesn't change things, Chuck. Stop trying to make a TCLUG non-profit organization happen. It's not going to happen. Jima From cncole at earthlink.net Tue Mar 17 08:56:07 2015 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2015 08:56:07 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: <55082610.80008@beer.tclug.org> References: <03DA9159302C482DB6EE2193B98B2F60@d830a> <1E1BF492F5BA44468D97A00807121F80@d830a> <2559316FD06E4D00B99AC4993A122213@d830a> <578C51B700FA44E29A548A35CC0AFD4E@d830a> <55079B3E.2070106@beer.tclug.org> <447F35C16F26494B8A36B93A1E27A1D9@d830a> <55082610.80008@beer.tclug.org> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jima > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 8:03 AM > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is > on Meetup! > > On 2015-03-17 04:12, Chuck Cole wrote: > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > >> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jima > >> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 10:11 PM > >> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is > >> on Meetup! > >> > >> Chuck, as it's been made abundantly clear (at least to > everyone else) > >> that the vast majority of the TCLUG membership is completely > >> disinterested in obtaining non-profit status, and you > >> continue to beat that dead and rotting horse, your > dismissal of someone > > else's > >> commentary as irrelevant or off-topic is pretty hypocritical. > >> > >> Jima > >> > >> On 2015-03-14 01:53, Chuck Cole wrote: > >>> Irrelevant. Off topic > > > > Hardly hypocritical: the comment simply was not about the topic of > > "Meetups". The original Meetup rules have been relaxed greatly. > > > > Being non-profit matters a bunch, even if not to TCLUG. I > had certainly > > noticed the lack of interest among TCLUGers, but lack of > non-profit status > > is a problem for Penguins since most meeting spaces require > non-profit > > status to meet there. We had offered to help since > Penguins no longer has a > > home with TIES. Getting sponsorship is difficult if > neither non-profit, nor > > an actual group. > > Repeating yourself years later doesn't change things, Chuck. Stop > trying to make a TCLUG non-profit organization happen. It's > not going > to happen. > > Jima > I made NO such suggestion. That should be quite clear. Chuck From cncole at earthlink.net Wed Mar 18 12:18:47 2015 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 12:18:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is on Meetup! In-Reply-To: <447F35C16F26494B8A36B93A1E27A1D9@d830a> References: <03DA9159302C482DB6EE2193B98B2F60@d830a> <1E1BF492F5BA44468D97A00807121F80@d830a> <2559316FD06E4D00B99AC4993A122213@d830a> <578C51B700FA44E29A548A35CC0AFD4E@d830a> <55079B3E.2070106@beer.tclug.org> <447F35C16F26494B8A36B93A1E27A1D9@d830a> Message-ID: Meetup has changed greatly, and is now a great way for groups or "non-groups" to identify and announce! The Penguins Unbound site looks good! The newly stated functions of Penguins look good. The social networking mentioned should help also! Perhaps TCLUG should do something similar with Meetup. TPLAG has significant differences from the others, and different community connections. The various Linux groups can coexist and be synergistic. Chuck > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org > > [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of Jima > > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 10:11 PM > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [ubuntu-us-mn] Penguins Unbound is > > on Meetup! From pj.world at hotmail.com Fri Mar 20 18:06:40 2015 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 18:06:40 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Brian, I would like your help with installing FreeBSD on my desktop computer. I live in the Edina area here. I know you are very good with computers and I can learn alot from you. Let me know if you have time. Thank you for your message and time. paul g Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 14:26:33 -0500 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD There's an effort to encourage people to install FreeBSD around the week of March 30th. I've been using FreeBSD for about a year and am liking it. Previously I primarily used Linux to develop software. After running into a TCP related problem on Linux last year, I tried FreeBSD and the problem went away. I've also found FreeBSD's kqueues to be easier to work with than Linux's epoll. I've learned some things about FreeBSD from Kris Moore and Allan Jude on http://bsdnow.tv . I'm going to head over there later to watch the latest program. If you would like help installing FreeBSD or PC-BSD, please let me know. There's room in my Roseville office if you want to bring your machine over. If there's a lot of interest, we could use the conference room in the building. It could be before or after the week of March 30th. I'm thinking about moving to Wisconsin though, so don't wait too long. -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust. http://webEbenezer.net _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 18:34:38 2015 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 18:34:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <550CAE8E.90808@gmail.com> On 3/20/2015 6:06 PM, paul g wrote: > Brian, I would like your help with installing FreeBSD on my desktop > computer. I live in the Edina area here. I know you are very good with > computers and I can learn alot from you. Let me know if you have time. > > Thank you for your message and time. > > paul g I thought you were going to install Slackware & be done with it? From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Fri Mar 20 19:06:43 2015 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 19:06:43 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD In-Reply-To: <550CAE8E.90808@gmail.com> References: <550CAE8E.90808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <841F545D-9F84-4C58-991F-2975FD3C877A@cwis.biz> Stop. In this case I?m talking to B-o-B. The post is not completely bad? but BSD is off topic for this mailing list. > On Mar 20, 2015, at 6:34 PM, B-o-B De Mars wrote: > > On 3/20/2015 6:06 PM, paul g wrote: >> Brian, I would like your help with installing FreeBSD on my desktop >> computer. I live in the Edina area here. I know you are very good with >> computers and I can learn alot from you. Let me know if you have time. >> >> Thank you for your message and time. >> >> paul g > > I thought you were going to install Slackware & be done with it? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From pj.world at hotmail.com Fri Mar 20 20:38:55 2015 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 20:38:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD In-Reply-To: <841F545D-9F84-4C58-991F-2975FD3C877A@cwis.biz> References: , <550CAE8E.90808@gmail.com>,<841F545D-9F84-4C58-991F-2975FD3C877A@cwis.biz> Message-ID: No buddy your talking with the owner of the POST here. my name is paul g and you make me upset. > From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 19:06:43 -0500 > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD > > Stop. In this case I?m talking to B-o-B. > > The post is not completely bad? but BSD is off topic for this mailing list. > > > > > On Mar 20, 2015, at 6:34 PM, B-o-B De Mars wrote: > > > > On 3/20/2015 6:06 PM, paul g wrote: > >> Brian, I would like your help with installing FreeBSD on my desktop > >> computer. I live in the Edina area here. I know you are very good with > >> computers and I can learn alot from you. Let me know if you have time. > >> > >> Thank you for your message and time. > >> > >> paul g > > > > I thought you were going to install Slackware & be done with it? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Fri Mar 20 20:40:07 2015 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 20:40:07 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD In-Reply-To: <550CAE8E.90808@gmail.com> References: , , <550CAE8E.90808@gmail.com> Message-ID: I need help. > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 18:34:38 -0500 > From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD > > On 3/20/2015 6:06 PM, paul g wrote: > > Brian, I would like your help with installing FreeBSD on my desktop > > computer. I live in the Edina area here. I know you are very good with > > computers and I can learn alot from you. Let me know if you have time. > > > > Thank you for your message and time. > > > > paul g > > I thought you were going to install Slackware & be done with it? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri Mar 20 20:40:50 2015 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 20:40:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD In-Reply-To: References: , <550CAE8E.90808@gmail.com>, <841F545D-9F84-4C58-991F-2975FD3C877A@cwis.biz> Message-ID: Paul, Once again, you have promised never to post to the list, and we were all happy with that desicion. Please leave. Everyone else, please stop feeding the troll. On Fri, 20 Mar 2015, paul g wrote: > No buddy your talking with the owner of the POST here. my name is paul g and > you make me upset. > > > > > From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz > > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 19:06:43 -0500 > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD > > > > Stop. In this case I?m talking to B-o-B. > > > > The post is not completely bad? but BSD is off topic for this mailing > list. > > > > > > > > > On Mar 20, 2015, at 6:34 PM, B-o-B De Mars > wrote: > > > > > > On 3/20/2015 6:06 PM, paul g wrote: > > >> Brian, I would like your help with installing FreeBSD on my desktop > > >> computer. I live in the Edina area here. I know you are very good with > > >> computers and I can learn alot from you. Let me know if you have time. > > >> > > >> Thank you for your message and time. > > >> > > >> paul g > > > > > > I thought you were going to install Slackware & be done with it? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From tlunde at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 20:42:04 2015 From: tlunde at gmail.com (T L) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 20:42:04 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD In-Reply-To: <841F545D-9F84-4C58-991F-2975FD3C877A@cwis.biz> References: <550CAE8E.90808@gmail.com> <841F545D-9F84-4C58-991F-2975FD3C877A@cwis.biz> Message-ID: Ryan - While I'm not going to argue with you ( it is the TC LUG list, after all), do you have suggestions on a forum for BSD in the TC? Thanks Thomas On Mar 20, 2015 7:07 PM, "Ryan Coleman" wrote: > Stop. In this case I?m talking to B-o-B. > > The post is not completely bad? but BSD is off topic for this mailing list. > > > > > On Mar 20, 2015, at 6:34 PM, B-o-B De Mars > wrote: > > > > On 3/20/2015 6:06 PM, paul g wrote: > >> Brian, I would like your help with installing FreeBSD on my desktop > >> computer. I live in the Edina area here. I know you are very good with > >> computers and I can learn alot from you. Let me know if you have time. > >> > >> Thank you for your message and time. > >> > >> paul g > > > > I thought you were going to install Slackware & be done with it? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Fri Mar 20 20:42:30 2015 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 20:42:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD In-Reply-To: References: , , <550CAE8E.90808@gmail.com>, , <841F545D-9F84-4C58-991F-2975FD3C877A@cwis.biz>, , Message-ID: let it go you also are a jerk. Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 20:40:50 -0500 From: tclug at freakzilla.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD Paul, Once again, you have promised never to post to the list, and we were all happy with that desicion. Please leave. Everyone else, please stop feeding the troll. On Fri, 20 Mar 2015, paul g wrote: > No buddy your talking with the owner of the POST here. my name is paul g and > you make me upset. > > > > > From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz > > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 19:06:43 -0500 > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD > > > > Stop. In this case I?m talking to B-o-B. > > > > The post is not completely bad? but BSD is off topic for this mailing > list. > > > > > > > > > On Mar 20, 2015, at 6:34 PM, B-o-B De Mars > wrote: > > > > > > On 3/20/2015 6:06 PM, paul g wrote: > > >> Brian, I would like your help with installing FreeBSD on my desktop > > >> computer. I live in the Edina area here. I know you are very good with > > >> computers and I can learn alot from you. Let me know if you have time. > > >> > > >> Thank you for your message and time. > > >> > > >> paul g > > > > > > I thought you were going to install Slackware & be done with it? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Fri Mar 20 20:46:18 2015 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 20:46:18 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD In-Reply-To: References: , , <550CAE8E.90808@gmail.com>, , <841F545D-9F84-4C58-991F-2975FD3C877A@cwis.biz>, , Message-ID: I started the question. Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 20:40:50 -0500 From: tclug at freakzilla.com To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD Paul, Once again, you have promised never to post to the list, and we were all happy with that desicion. Please leave. Everyone else, please stop feeding the troll. On Fri, 20 Mar 2015, paul g wrote: > No buddy your talking with the owner of the POST here. my name is paul g and > you make me upset. > > > > > From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz > > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 19:06:43 -0500 > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD > > > > Stop. In this case I?m talking to B-o-B. > > > > The post is not completely bad? but BSD is off topic for this mailing > list. > > > > > > > > > On Mar 20, 2015, at 6:34 PM, B-o-B De Mars > wrote: > > > > > > On 3/20/2015 6:06 PM, paul g wrote: > > >> Brian, I would like your help with installing FreeBSD on my desktop > > >> computer. I live in the Edina area here. I know you are very good with > > >> computers and I can learn alot from you. Let me know if you have time. > > >> > > >> Thank you for your message and time. > > >> > > >> paul g > > > > > > I thought you were going to install Slackware & be done with it? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Fri Mar 20 21:10:59 2015 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 21:10:59 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Mr. Bob Slackware. In-Reply-To: <54ADC4DB.2000209@gmail.com> References: , ,,, ,,, ,,<54AAE973.3000302@kateley.com>, ,,<54AB59F2.6070508@gmail.com> ,,<54AD3BE5.5030309@gmail.com> ,<54ADC4DB.2000209@gmail.com> Message-ID: I am done bob no one wants me. I make no money with computers all I see is people stealing information. I want to secure systems correctly. I don't march in the streets I cry alone. I am done man 'they are better than me' I don't care about their internet it's not my internet anymore man. I am sick of it and done. I dislike Ryan for being mean but I cannot do anything about it because I am stupid. Thanks Mr.-BoB I hope you get this message. I apologize for wasting your time also. have a nice day. paul g, > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 17:44:27 -0600 > From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Mr. Bob Slackware. > > On 1/7/2015 4:36 PM, paul g wrote: > > Mr. Bob I am looking at this page here > > -->http://www.slackware.com/install/bootdisk.php > > > > 1. Are these the only Slackware images recommended? I have a Pentium MMX > > that I was thinking about using. > > > > Not sure if the current release will work on a Pent MMX (how much ram?) > Read the announcement, and release note to confirm. You might need to > use an older version. > > > 2. A floppy drive is required to install any of these image files? Or > > could I use dd to copy an image file to a cd and boot that way if bios > > supports? > > > > You don't need to make floppy disk anymore. You can use cd or dvd to > boot, or do a network install (smoke'm if you gott'm) That link is > beyond out-dated. Look here for more updated documentation: > > http://docs.slackware.com/ > > for install help: http://docs.slackware.com/slackware:install > > Also, the most commonly used Slackware forum is at Linux Questions > > http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/ > > Lastly, if you still use usenet the long lived Slackware newsgroup is > still highly active, and extremely knowledgeable. > alt.os.linux.slackware > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlunde at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 21:12:42 2015 From: tlunde at gmail.com (T L) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 21:12:42 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] ZFS question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Does anyone know if I can "stack" and (later) "unstack" vdevs from a ZFS pool? (Apropos my last message, this question would be germane to ZFS on Linux as well as on BSD, FreeNAS, et al. ) I think that it is true that one cannot remove a vdev from a ZFS pool. (If that's wrong, please correct me and the rest is irrelevant. ) Any pool (similar to LVM on Linux) that is larger than the space of a single drive must contain multiple vdevs. For redundancy, a vdev is often ( but not necessarily) more than a single drive; a vdev can be two or three mirrored drives or 3+ drives in RAIDZn. So, if one has a RAIDZ1 set of 2T drives, one would have 4T of usable space. To go to 6T of usable space, one would fail and replace each 2T drive with a 3T drive. When the last drive is replaced, the space would expand to 6T. My concern is the limited drives that can fit in a case. Say that I can have up to 8 drives. I could use 4 pairs of 2T drives, each pair being a vdev. When I start upgrading to 3 or 4T drives, I've still got to have 4 vdevs in my pool. Would it be possible to have the drives set so that I have each pair of drives (striped) make up a vdev and then create a vdev made up of a mirrored pair of those striped pairs and then make the pool up of that mirrored pair of vdevs? (In this way, there would only be 2 vdevs at the pool level, rather than 4. ) The point is that, when I go from 2T drives to 4T drives, I can replace a striped pair of 2Ts with a single 4T drive (i.e. a vdev with a single member). Thus, after replacing all 2s with 4s, lets my pool will still have a pair of (mirrored) vdevs. And that, in turn, then lets me add additional drives to the box (and space to the pool) by adding 4 more drives (each being a part of a mirrored pair, making up 2 more vdevs which get added to the original 2 vdevs in the pool). But the cool thing is that I'd get the benefit of the upgrade without having to replace every drive; I'd see more space in the pool as soon as I start adding the third vdev (either as the 9th and 10th devices, or after replacing 4 of the 2s with (4) 4T drives). What happens when I go from 4T drives to 8T drives across the board is too far in the future to worry about now. I have a bunch of 2s and have started buying 4s, so thinking about how to handle that upgrade as the 2s age & fail is on my mind. Advice and comments appreciated. Thanks Thomas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Fri Mar 20 23:06:34 2015 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 23:06:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD In-Reply-To: References: <, > <550CAE8E.90808@gmail.com> <, > <841F545D-9F84-4C58-991F-2975FD3C877A@cwis.biz> Message-ID: <5C1EBE68-A8A2-426F-95EE-872196D98E32@cwis.biz> Back off of Paul on this one. The topic is OT regardless > On Mar 20, 2015, at 8:40 PM, Clug wrote: > > Paul, > > Once again, you have promised never to post to the list, and we were all happy with that desicion. Please leave. > > Everyone else, please stop feeding the troll. > > On Fri, 20 Mar 2015, paul g wrote: > >> No buddy your talking with the owner of the POST here. my name is paul g and >> you make me upset. >> > From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz >> > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 19:06:43 -0500 >> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD >> > >> > Stop. In this case I?m talking to B-o-B. >> > >> > The post is not completely bad? but BSD is off topic for this mailing >> list. >> > >> > >> > >> > > On Mar 20, 2015, at 6:34 PM, B-o-B De Mars >> wrote: >> > > >> > > On 3/20/2015 6:06 PM, paul g wrote: >> > >> Brian, I would like your help with installing FreeBSD on my desktop >> > >> computer. I live in the Edina area here. I know you are very good with >> > >> computers and I can learn alot from you. Let me know if you have time. >> > >> >> > >> Thank you for your message and time. >> > >> >> > >> paul g >> > > >> > > I thought you were going to install Slackware & be done with it? >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> > tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Fri Mar 20 23:07:02 2015 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 23:07:02 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD In-Reply-To: References: <550CAE8E.90808@gmail.com> <841F545D-9F84-4C58-991F-2975FD3C877A@cwis.biz> Message-ID: There isn?t one. Paul should approach the FreeBSD questions list instead - I was a 10-year subscriber to that list. > On Mar 20, 2015, at 8:42 PM, T L wrote: > > Ryan - > > While I'm not going to argue with you ( it is the TC LUG list, after all), do you have suggestions on a forum for BSD in the TC? > > Thanks > Thomas > On Mar 20, 2015 7:07 PM, "Ryan Coleman" > wrote: > Stop. In this case I?m talking to B-o-B. > > The post is not completely bad? but BSD is off topic for this mailing list. > > > > > On Mar 20, 2015, at 6:34 PM, B-o-B De Mars > wrote: > > > > On 3/20/2015 6:06 PM, paul g wrote: > >> Brian, I would like your help with installing FreeBSD on my desktop > >> computer. I live in the Edina area here. I know you are very good with > >> computers and I can learn alot from you. Let me know if you have time. > >> > >> Thank you for your message and time. > >> > >> paul g > > > > I thought you were going to install Slackware & be done with it? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Fri Mar 20 23:11:08 2015 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 23:11:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD In-Reply-To: References: , <550CAE8E.90808@gmail.com>, <841F545D-9F84-4C58-991F-2975FD3C877A@cwis.biz>, , Message-ID: Ryan can you teach me some computer stuff. I need your help with FreeBSD quite alot. From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 23:07:02 -0500 To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD There isn?t one. Paul should approach the FreeBSD questions list instead - I was a 10-year subscriber to that list. On Mar 20, 2015, at 8:42 PM, T L wrote:Ryan -While I'm not going to argue with you ( it is the TC LUG list, after all), do you have suggestions on a forum for BSD in the TC?Thanks Thomas On Mar 20, 2015 7:07 PM, "Ryan Coleman" wrote: Stop. In this case I?m talking to B-o-B. The post is not completely bad? but BSD is off topic for this mailing list. > On Mar 20, 2015, at 6:34 PM, B-o-B De Mars wrote: > > On 3/20/2015 6:06 PM, paul g wrote: >> Brian, I would like your help with installing FreeBSD on my desktop >> computer. I live in the Edina area here. I know you are very good with >> computers and I can learn alot from you. Let me know if you have time. >> >> Thank you for your message and time. >> >> paul g > > I thought you were going to install Slackware & be done with it? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.wagle at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 23:29:22 2015 From: david.wagle at gmail.com (David Wagle) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 04:29:22 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD References: <550CAE8E.90808@gmail.com> <841F545D-9F84-4C58-991F-2975FD3C877A@cwis.biz> Message-ID: FreeBSD has phenomenal documentation. Read it. Follow it. If you honestly need hand holding to install it, you really aren't going to be capable of using it. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015, 11:11 PM paul g wrote: > Ryan can you teach me some computer stuff. I need your help with FreeBSD > quite alot. > > ------------------------------ > From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 23:07:02 -0500 > > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD > > There isn?t one. Paul should approach the FreeBSD questions list instead - > I was a 10-year subscriber to that list. > > > On Mar 20, 2015, at 8:42 PM, T L wrote: > > Ryan - > > While I'm not going to argue with you ( it is the TC LUG list, after all), > do you have suggestions on a forum for BSD in the TC? > > Thanks > Thomas > On Mar 20, 2015 7:07 PM, "Ryan Coleman" wrote: > > Stop. In this case I?m talking to B-o-B. > > The post is not completely bad? but BSD is off topic for this mailing list. > > > > > On Mar 20, 2015, at 6:34 PM, B-o-B De Mars > wrote: > > > > On 3/20/2015 6:06 PM, paul g wrote: > >> Brian, I would like your help with installing FreeBSD on my desktop > >> computer. I live in the Edina area here. I know you are very good with > >> computers and I can learn alot from you. Let me know if you have time. > >> > >> Thank you for your message and time. > >> > >> paul g > > > > I thought you were going to install Slackware & be done with it? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Fri Mar 20 23:58:57 2015 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 23:58:57 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD In-Reply-To: References: , <550CAE8E.90808@gmail.com>, <841F545D-9F84-4C58-991F-2975FD3C877A@cwis.biz>, , , , Message-ID: david I tend to flush towards your input as always. I thank you for directing me with your advice. I need your hand because I have questions but feel alone and I apologize for wasting time. every time I hear from you david or Mr. bob you guys are very kind. thank you david n bob. paul g From: david.wagle at gmail.com Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 04:29:22 +0000 To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD FreeBSD has phenomenal documentation. Read it. Follow it. If you honestly need hand holding to install it, you really aren't going to be capable of using it. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015, 11:11 PM paul g wrote: Ryan can you teach me some computer stuff. I need your help with FreeBSD quite alot. From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 23:07:02 -0500 To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD There isn?t one. Paul should approach the FreeBSD questions list instead - I was a 10-year subscriber to that list. On Mar 20, 2015, at 8:42 PM, T L wrote: Ryan -While I'm not going to argue with you ( it is the TC LUG list, after all), do you have suggestions on a forum for BSD in the TC?Thanks Thomas On Mar 20, 2015 7:07 PM, "Ryan Coleman" wrote: Stop. In this case I?m talking to B-o-B. The post is not completely bad? but BSD is off topic for this mailing list. > On Mar 20, 2015, at 6:34 PM, B-o-B De Mars wrote: > > On 3/20/2015 6:06 PM, paul g wrote: >> Brian, I would like your help with installing FreeBSD on my desktop >> computer. I live in the Edina area here. I know you are very good with >> computers and I can learn alot from you. Let me know if you have time. >> >> Thank you for your message and time. >> >> paul g > > I thought you were going to install Slackware & be done with it? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Sat Mar 21 00:04:29 2015 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 00:04:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD In-Reply-To: References: , <550CAE8E.90808@gmail.com>, <841F545D-9F84-4C58-991F-2975FD3C877A@cwis.biz>, , , , Message-ID: david just because your smart with permissions does not mean that I do not want to learn about them. I feel like an idiot most of the time here since I may well be. Thanks for taking your time to write David. paul g From: david.wagle at gmail.com Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 04:29:22 +0000 To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD FreeBSD has phenomenal documentation. Read it. Follow it. If you honestly need hand holding to install it, you really aren't going to be capable of using it. On Fri, Mar 20, 2015, 11:11 PM paul g wrote: Ryan can you teach me some computer stuff. I need your help with FreeBSD quite alot. From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 23:07:02 -0500 To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD There isn?t one. Paul should approach the FreeBSD questions list instead - I was a 10-year subscriber to that list. On Mar 20, 2015, at 8:42 PM, T L wrote: Ryan -While I'm not going to argue with you ( it is the TC LUG list, after all), do you have suggestions on a forum for BSD in the TC?Thanks Thomas On Mar 20, 2015 7:07 PM, "Ryan Coleman" wrote: Stop. In this case I?m talking to B-o-B. The post is not completely bad? but BSD is off topic for this mailing list. > On Mar 20, 2015, at 6:34 PM, B-o-B De Mars wrote: > > On 3/20/2015 6:06 PM, paul g wrote: >> Brian, I would like your help with installing FreeBSD on my desktop >> computer. I live in the Edina area here. I know you are very good with >> computers and I can learn alot from you. Let me know if you have time. >> >> Thank you for your message and time. >> >> paul g > > I thought you were going to install Slackware & be done with it? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lkateley at kateley.com Sat Mar 21 10:02:25 2015 From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 10:02:25 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] ZFS question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0FE71FD7-F588-45DC-9F0F-06B44E69F1FB@kateley.com> The answer is no. Top level vdev can't be removed from a pool. Raidsets can't be changed in number of disks used. You can replace disks with bigger or smaller disks. If you want more help feel free to contact me directly I teach zfs classes for a living :) Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 20, 2015, at 9:12 PM, T L wrote: > > Does anyone know if I can "stack" and (later) "unstack" vdevs from a ZFS pool? > > (Apropos my last message, this question would be germane to ZFS on Linux as well as on BSD, FreeNAS, et al. ) > > I think that it is true that one cannot remove a vdev from a ZFS pool. (If that's wrong, please correct me and the rest is irrelevant. ) > > Any pool (similar to LVM on Linux) that is larger than the space of a single drive must contain multiple vdevs. For redundancy, a vdev is often ( but not necessarily) more than a single drive; a vdev can be two or three mirrored drives or 3+ drives in RAIDZn. > > So, if one has a RAIDZ1 set of 2T drives, one would have 4T of usable space. To go to 6T of usable space, one would fail and replace each 2T drive with a 3T drive. When the last drive is replaced, the space would expand to 6T. > > My concern is the limited drives that can fit in a case. Say that I can have up to 8 drives. I could use 4 pairs of 2T drives, each pair being a vdev. When I start upgrading to 3 or 4T drives, I've still got to have 4 vdevs in my pool. > > Would it be possible to have the drives set so that I have each pair of drives (striped) make up a vdev and then create a vdev made up of a mirrored pair of those striped pairs and then make the pool up of that mirrored pair of vdevs? (In this way, there would only be 2 vdevs at the pool level, rather than 4. ) > > > The point is that, when I go from 2T drives to 4T drives, I can replace a striped pair of 2Ts with a single 4T drive (i.e. a vdev with a single member). Thus, after replacing all 2s with 4s, lets my pool will still have a pair of (mirrored) vdevs. And that, in turn, then lets me add additional drives to the box (and space to the pool) by adding 4 more drives (each being a part of a mirrored pair, making up 2 more vdevs which get added to the original 2 vdevs in the pool). > But the cool thing is that I'd get the benefit of the upgrade without having to replace every drive; I'd see more space in the pool as soon as I start adding the third vdev (either as the 9th and 10th devices, or after replacing 4 of the 2s with (4) 4T drives). > > What happens when I go from 4T drives to 8T drives across the board is too far in the future to worry about now. I have a bunch of 2s and have started buying 4s, so thinking about how to handle that upgrade as the 2s age & fail is on my mind. > > Advice and comments appreciated. > > Thanks > Thomas > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lkateley at kateley.com Sat Mar 21 09:58:26 2015 From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 09:58:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD In-Reply-To: References: <550CAE8E.90808@gmail.com> <841F545D-9F84-4C58-991F-2975FD3C877A@cwis.biz> Message-ID: <690D887D-22B2-4D0F-984F-2E0C98C19913@kateley.com> Paul If you sincerely want to learn, the FreeBSD foundation has a video series that you can purchase. No one on an email list can teach you want you need. Most of us have 10's of thousands of hours of learning and doing that can't be condensed into an email. Otherwise You need to google and read blogs and docs to learn, just like us. If you want the shortened easy versions you have to pay for a class. Dyi takes time. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 20, 2015, at 11:11 PM, paul g wrote: > > Ryan can you teach me some computer stuff. I need your help with FreeBSD quite alot. > > From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 23:07:02 -0500 > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD > > There isn?t one. Paul should approach the FreeBSD questions list instead - I was a 10-year subscriber to that list. > > > On Mar 20, 2015, at 8:42 PM, T L wrote: > > Ryan - > > While I'm not going to argue with you ( it is the TC LUG list, after all), do you have suggestions on a forum for BSD in the TC? > > Thanks > Thomas > On Mar 20, 2015 7:07 PM, "Ryan Coleman" wrote: > Stop. In this case I?m talking to B-o-B. > > The post is not completely bad? but BSD is off topic for this mailing list. > > > > > On Mar 20, 2015, at 6:34 PM, B-o-B De Mars wrote: > > > > On 3/20/2015 6:06 PM, paul g wrote: > >> Brian, I would like your help with installing FreeBSD on my desktop > >> computer. I live in the Edina area here. I know you are very good with > >> computers and I can learn alot from you. Let me know if you have time. > >> > >> Thank you for your message and time. > >> > >> paul g > > > > I thought you were going to install Slackware & be done with it? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pj.world at hotmail.com Sat Mar 21 10:50:38 2015 From: pj.world at hotmail.com (paul g) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 10:50:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD In-Reply-To: <690D887D-22B2-4D0F-984F-2E0C98C19913@kateley.com> References: , <550CAE8E.90808@gmail.com>, <841F545D-9F84-4C58-991F-2975FD3C877A@cwis.biz>, , , , <690D887D-22B2-4D0F-984F-2E0C98C19913@kateley.com> Message-ID: Fair enough Linda I am starting to understand more and more that this takes quite alot of time. From: lkateley at kateley.com Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 09:58:26 -0500 To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD Paul If you sincerely want to learn, the FreeBSD foundation has a video series that you can purchase. No one on an email list can teach you want you need. Most of us have 10's of thousands of hours of learning and doing that can't be condensed into an email. Otherwise You need to google and read blogs and docs to learn, just like us. If you want the shortened easy versions you have to pay for a class. Dyi takes time. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 20, 2015, at 11:11 PM, paul g wrote: Ryan can you teach me some computer stuff. I need your help with FreeBSD quite alot. From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 23:07:02 -0500 To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org Subject: Re: [tclug-list] FreeBSD / PC-BSD There isn?t one. Paul should approach the FreeBSD questions list instead - I was a 10-year subscriber to that list. On Mar 20, 2015, at 8:42 PM, T L wrote:Ryan -While I'm not going to argue with you ( it is the TC LUG list, after all), do you have suggestions on a forum for BSD in the TC?Thanks Thomas On Mar 20, 2015 7:07 PM, "Ryan Coleman" wrote: Stop. In this case I?m talking to B-o-B. The post is not completely bad? but BSD is off topic for this mailing list. > On Mar 20, 2015, at 6:34 PM, B-o-B De Mars wrote: > > On 3/20/2015 6:06 PM, paul g wrote: >> Brian, I would like your help with installing FreeBSD on my desktop >> computer. I live in the Edina area here. I know you are very good with >> computers and I can learn alot from you. Let me know if you have time. >> >> Thank you for your message and time. >> >> paul g > > I thought you were going to install Slackware & be done with it? > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlunde at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 12:26:00 2015 From: tlunde at gmail.com (T L) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 12:26:00 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] ZFS question In-Reply-To: <0FE71FD7-F588-45DC-9F0F-06B44E69F1FB@kateley.com> References: <0FE71FD7-F588-45DC-9F0F-06B44E69F1FB@kateley.com> Message-ID: Linda - Yup, I understand that the top level vdevs can't be removed from a pool. In fact, farther down in the original note, I'd written "I think that it is true that one cannot remove a vdev from a ZFS pool. " That is, however, not what I'm trying to do. If anyone is willing to read beyond the first sentence of the original message, I'm interested in your input. :-) Thanks Thomas On Mar 21, 2015 10:03 AM, "Linda Kateley" wrote: > The answer is no. Top level vdev can't be removed from a pool. Raidsets > can't be changed in number of disks used. You can replace disks with bigger > or smaller disks. > > If you want more help feel free to contact me directly I teach zfs classes > for a living :) > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 20, 2015, at 9:12 PM, T L wrote: > > Does anyone know if I can "stack" and (later) "unstack" vdevs from a ZFS > pool? > > (Apropos my last message, this question would be germane to ZFS on Linux > as well as on BSD, FreeNAS, et al. ) > > I think that it is true that one cannot remove a vdev from a ZFS pool. (If > that's wrong, please correct me and the rest is irrelevant. ) > > Any pool (similar to LVM on Linux) that is larger than the space of a > single drive must contain multiple vdevs. For redundancy, a vdev is often ( > but not necessarily) more than a single drive; a vdev can be two or three > mirrored drives or 3+ drives in RAIDZn. > > So, if one has a RAIDZ1 set of 2T drives, one would have 4T of usable > space. To go to 6T of usable space, one would fail and replace each 2T > drive with a 3T drive. When the last drive is replaced, the space would > expand to 6T. > > My concern is the limited drives that can fit in a case. Say that I can > have up to 8 drives. I could use 4 pairs of 2T drives, each pair being a > vdev. When I start upgrading to 3 or 4T drives, I've still got to have 4 > vdevs in my pool. > > Would it be possible to have the drives set so that I have each pair of > drives (striped) make up a vdev and then create a vdev made up of a > mirrored pair of those striped pairs and then make the pool up of that > mirrored pair of vdevs? (In this way, there would only be 2 vdevs at the > pool level, rather than 4. ) > > The point is that, when I go from 2T drives to 4T drives, I can replace a > striped pair of 2Ts with a single 4T drive (i.e. a vdev with a single > member). Thus, after replacing all 2s with 4s, lets my pool will still have > a pair of (mirrored) vdevs. And that, in turn, then lets me add additional > drives to the box (and space to the pool) by adding 4 more drives (each > being a part of a mirrored pair, making up 2 more vdevs which get added to > the original 2 vdevs in the pool). > But the cool thing is that I'd get the benefit of the upgrade without > having to replace every drive; I'd see more space in the pool as soon as I > start adding the third vdev (either as the 9th and 10th devices, or after > replacing 4 of the 2s with (4) 4T drives). > > What happens when I go from 4T drives to 8T drives across the board is too > far in the future to worry about now. I have a bunch of 2s and have started > buying 4s, so thinking about how to handle that upgrade as the 2s age & > fail is on my mind. > > Advice and comments appreciated. > > Thanks > Thomas > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Sat Mar 21 12:32:43 2015 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 12:32:43 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] sed scripting help Message-ID: <45FAA52A-62AF-4402-9C29-DBC24618016B@cwis.biz> I?m having a complete brain fart today? I cannot come up with how to pull this off for some reason - and my google-fu is weak right now, to boot. I need to turn a directory search (folder only, no files) and then take ones that have ?.SPAM.? in the path and pipe that into a command? So this: > /var/mail/vhosts/domain.ltd/user.name/.SPAM.New Needs to become this: > /usr/bin/sa-learn --progress --spam /var/mail/vhosts/domain.ltd/user.name/.SPAM.New/* > /bin/mv /var/mail/vhosts/domain.ltd/user.name/.SPAM.New/cur/* /var/mail/vhosts/domain.ltd/user.name/.SPAM.Scanned/cur/* And I?d like to have it in a bash or sh script that I can put into CRON. Additional want: Change emails to read status. I realize that?s another step for the files involved and it could easily be skipped. Thanks! ? Ryan From sdalano at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 13:09:11 2015 From: sdalano at gmail.com (Saul Alanis) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 13:09:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] sed scripting help In-Reply-To: <45FAA52A-62AF-4402-9C29-DBC24618016B@cwis.biz> References: <45FAA52A-62AF-4402-9C29-DBC24618016B@cwis.biz> Message-ID: The one command to search for by directory names that can be piped. find /path -name 'SPAM' -type d | xargs On Mar 21, 2015 12:33 PM, "Ryan Coleman" wrote: > I?m having a complete brain fart today? I cannot come up with how to pull > this off for some reason - and my google-fu is weak right now, to boot. > > I need to turn a directory search (folder only, no files) and then take > ones that have ?.SPAM.? in the path and pipe that into a command? > > So this: > > /var/mail/vhosts/domain.ltd/user.name/.SPAM.New > > > Needs to become this: > > /usr/bin/sa-learn --progress --spam /var/mail/vhosts/domain.ltd/ > user.name/.SPAM.New/* > > /bin/mv /var/mail/vhosts/domain.ltd/user.name/.SPAM.New/cur/* > /var/mail/vhosts/domain.ltd/user.name/.SPAM.Scanned/cur/* > > And I?d like to have it in a bash or sh script that I can put into CRON. > Additional want: Change emails to read status. I realize that?s another > step for the files involved and it could easily be skipped. > > Thanks! > > ? > Ryan > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Sat Mar 21 13:14:03 2015 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 13:14:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] sed scripting help In-Reply-To: References: <45FAA52A-62AF-4402-9C29-DBC24618016B@cwis.biz> Message-ID: <49A10A5A-50B3-48AA-9362-7471DB83D512@cwis.biz> Aha! Yeah, that?s what I was trying to think of. > On Mar 21, 2015, at 1:09 PM, Saul Alanis wrote: > > The one command to search for by directory names that can be piped. > > find /path -name 'SPAM' -type d | xargs > > On Mar 21, 2015 12:33 PM, "Ryan Coleman" > wrote: > I?m having a complete brain fart today? I cannot come up with how to pull this off for some reason - and my google-fu is weak right now, to boot. > > I need to turn a directory search (folder only, no files) and then take ones that have ?.SPAM.? in the path and pipe that into a command? > > So this: > > /var/mail/vhosts/domain.ltd/user.name/.SPAM.New > > > Needs to become this: > > /usr/bin/sa-learn --progress --spam /var/mail/vhosts/domain.ltd/user.name/.SPAM.New/* > > /bin/mv /var/mail/vhosts/domain.ltd/user.name/.SPAM.New/cur/* /var/mail/vhosts/domain.ltd/user.name/.SPAM.Scanned/cur/* > > And I?d like to have it in a bash or sh script that I can put into CRON. > Additional want: Change emails to read status. I realize that?s another step for the files involved and it could easily be skipped. > > Thanks! > > ? > Ryan > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Sat Mar 21 13:15:43 2015 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 13:15:43 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] sed scripting help In-Reply-To: <49A10A5A-50B3-48AA-9362-7471DB83D512@cwis.biz> References: <45FAA52A-62AF-4402-9C29-DBC24618016B@cwis.biz> <49A10A5A-50B3-48AA-9362-7471DB83D512@cwis.biz> Message-ID: <58FF4555-5DD4-43E7-A6E5-C9FB92CBC7E1@cwis.biz> So to find what I needed I had to do this: > find /var/mail/vhosts/ -name '*SPAM*' -type d That got me the results I was expecting. > On Mar 21, 2015, at 1:14 PM, Ryan Coleman wrote: > > Aha! Yeah, that?s what I was trying to think of. > > >> On Mar 21, 2015, at 1:09 PM, Saul Alanis > wrote: >> >> The one command to search for by directory names that can be piped. >> >> find /path -name 'SPAM' -type d | xargs >> >> On Mar 21, 2015 12:33 PM, "Ryan Coleman" > wrote: >> I?m having a complete brain fart today? I cannot come up with how to pull this off for some reason - and my google-fu is weak right now, to boot. >> >> I need to turn a directory search (folder only, no files) and then take ones that have ?.SPAM.? in the path and pipe that into a command? >> >> So this: >> > /var/mail/vhosts/domain.ltd/user.name/.SPAM.New >> >> >> Needs to become this: >> > /usr/bin/sa-learn --progress --spam /var/mail/vhosts/domain.ltd/user.name/.SPAM.New/* >> > /bin/mv /var/mail/vhosts/domain.ltd/user.name/.SPAM.New/cur/* /var/mail/vhosts/domain.ltd/user.name/.SPAM.Scanned/cur/* >> >> And I?d like to have it in a bash or sh script that I can put into CRON. >> Additional want: Change emails to read status. I realize that?s another step for the files involved and it could easily be skipped. >> >> Thanks! >> >> ? >> Ryan >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lkateley at kateley.com Sat Mar 21 14:39:47 2015 From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2015 14:39:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] ZFS question In-Reply-To: References: <0FE71FD7-F588-45DC-9F0F-06B44E69F1FB@kateley.com> Message-ID: So now I read the whole thing? You can attach a disk onto a mirrored pair, making a 3 or 4 way mirror Is that more what you are looking for? Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 21, 2015, at 12:26 PM, T L wrote: > > Linda - > > Yup, I understand that the top level vdevs can't be removed from a pool. In fact, farther down in the original note, I'd written "I think that it is true that one cannot remove a vdev from a ZFS pool. " > > That is, however, not what I'm trying to do. > > If anyone is willing to read beyond the first sentence of the original message, I'm interested in your input. :-) > > Thanks > Thomas > >> On Mar 21, 2015 10:03 AM, "Linda Kateley" wrote: >> The answer is no. Top level vdev can't be removed from a pool. Raidsets can't be changed in number of disks used. You can replace disks with bigger or smaller disks. >> >> If you want more help feel free to contact me directly I teach zfs classes for a living :) >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 20, 2015, at 9:12 PM, T L wrote: >>> >>> Does anyone know if I can "stack" and (later) "unstack" vdevs from a ZFS pool? >>> >>> (Apropos my last message, this question would be germane to ZFS on Linux as well as on BSD, FreeNAS, et al. ) >>> >>> I think that it is true that one cannot remove a vdev from a ZFS pool. (If that's wrong, please correct me and the rest is irrelevant. ) >>> >>> Any pool (similar to LVM on Linux) that is larger than the space of a single drive must contain multiple vdevs. For redundancy, a vdev is often ( but not necessarily) more than a single drive; a vdev can be two or three mirrored drives or 3+ drives in RAIDZn. >>> >>> So, if one has a RAIDZ1 set of 2T drives, one would have 4T of usable space. To go to 6T of usable space, one would fail and replace each 2T drive with a 3T drive. When the last drive is replaced, the space would expand to 6T. >>> >>> My concern is the limited drives that can fit in a case. Say that I can have up to 8 drives. I could use 4 pairs of 2T drives, each pair being a vdev. When I start upgrading to 3 or 4T drives, I've still got to have 4 vdevs in my pool. >>> >>> Would it be possible to have the drives set so that I have each pair of drives (striped) make up a vdev and then create a vdev made up of a mirrored pair of those striped pairs and then make the pool up of that mirrored pair of vdevs? (In this way, there would only be 2 vdevs at the pool level, rather than 4. ) >>> >>> >>> The point is that, when I go from 2T drives to 4T drives, I can replace a striped pair of 2Ts with a single 4T drive (i.e. a vdev with a single member). Thus, after replacing all 2s with 4s, lets my pool will still have a pair of (mirrored) vdevs. And that, in turn, then lets me add additional drives to the box (and space to the pool) by adding 4 more drives (each being a part of a mirrored pair, making up 2 more vdevs which get added to the original 2 vdevs in the pool). >>> But the cool thing is that I'd get the benefit of the upgrade without having to replace every drive; I'd see more space in the pool as soon as I start adding the third vdev (either as the 9th and 10th devices, or after replacing 4 of the 2s with (4) 4T drives). >>> >>> What happens when I go from 4T drives to 8T drives across the board is too far in the future to worry about now. I have a bunch of 2s and have started buying 4s, so thinking about how to handle that upgrade as the 2s age & fail is on my mind. >>> >>> Advice and comments appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks >>> Thomas >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From craigallynsmith at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 19:10:26 2015 From: craigallynsmith at gmail.com (Craig Smith) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2015 19:10:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] SSD vs HDD for DIY security camera project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > FFMPEG installation is always a bit of a chore. >From http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2219550 this worked fine: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jon-severinsson/ffmpeg sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install ffmpeg sudo apt-get install frei0r-plugins I'm running 14.04.2 LTS so too late for me, but according to http://www.webupd8.org/2014/11/ffmpeg-returns-to-official-ubuntu.html FFMPEG has returned with Ubuntu 15.04 Vivid Vervet - they had substituted another fork (avconv) after June 2011. http://askubuntu.com/questions/432542/is-ffmpeg-missing-from-the-official-repositories-in-14-04 > I will report performance improvement once I get everything working. On a good day, my old Pentium3 (single core) @ 730Mhz (1461.97 bogomips) with 500mb RAM would compute 40MB of mp4 data in 12 to 13 hrs. Now my new i5 @3.5Mhz (4 cores at 6997.97 bogomips) with 32gb RAM cranks out 200 to 300 MB of mp4's in an hour or two. That's about 6x more data in an eighth of the time. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at lctn.org Mon Mar 23 07:59:34 2015 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 07:59:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] alert for long ping times Message-ID: <28133344.8050.1427115609365.JavaMail.raymond@mint-1> I currently run an aggressive ping script that sends an email if specific hosts go down. Is there a way to do the same; maybe even play a sound, when ping times exceed 75ms? -- Raymond Norton LCTN 952.955.7766 -- Sent From My Desktop From justin.kremer at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 08:15:35 2015 From: justin.kremer at gmail.com (Justin Kremer) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 08:15:35 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] SSD vs HDD for DIY security camera project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Craig Smith wrote: >> I will report performance improvement once I get everything working. > > > > On a good day, my old Pentium3 (single core) @ 730Mhz (1461.97 bogomips) > with 500mb RAM would compute 40MB of mp4 data in 12 to 13 hrs. > > > > Now my new i5 @3.5Mhz (4 cores at 6997.97 bogomips) with 32gb RAM cranks > out 200 to 300 MB of mp4's in an hour or two. > > That's about 6x more data in an eighth of the time. I'm glad it is working well. If you need a bit of a laugh, re: bogomips: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BogoMips >From the article: An oft-quoted definition of the term is "the number of million times per second a processor can do absolutely nothing". It seems like someone brought that to my attention some time back when I was looking at bogomips numbers as a performance indicator. - Justin From joel.longanecker at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 08:20:33 2015 From: joel.longanecker at gmail.com (Joel Longanecker) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 08:20:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] alert for long ping times In-Reply-To: <28133344.8050.1427115609365.JavaMail.raymond@mint-1> References: <28133344.8050.1427115609365.JavaMail.raymond@mint-1> Message-ID: How familiar are you with python? On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 7:59 AM, Raymond Norton wrote: > I currently run an aggressive ping script that sends an email if specific > hosts go down. Is there a way to do the same; maybe even play a sound, when > ping times exceed 75ms? > > -- > Raymond Norton > LCTN > 952.955.7766 > > -- > Sent From My Desktop > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marc at e-skinner.net Mon Mar 23 08:04:23 2015 From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 08:04:23 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] alert for long ping times In-Reply-To: <28133344.8050.1427115609365.JavaMail.raymond@mint-1> References: <28133344.8050.1427115609365.JavaMail.raymond@mint-1> Message-ID: <55100F57.9080809@e-skinner.net> On 03/23/2015 07:59 AM, Raymond Norton wrote: > I currently run an aggressive ping script that sends an email if specific hosts go down. Is there a way to do the same; maybe even play a sound, when ping times exceed 75ms? > Replace email with text to speech! http://www.maketecheasier.com/make-computer-talk-with-festival/ From admin at lctn.org Mon Mar 23 08:29:04 2015 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 08:29:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] alert for long ping times In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7137072.8149.1427117376873.JavaMail.raymond@mint-1> Not very, but should be able to follow clear instructions, or docs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Longanecker" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 8:20:33 AM Subject: Re: [tclug-list] alert for long ping times How familiar are you with python? On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 7:59 AM, Raymond Norton < admin at lctn.org > wrote: I currently run an aggressive ping script that sends an email if specific hosts go down. Is there a way to do the same; maybe even play a sound, when ping times exceed 75ms? -- Raymond Norton LCTN 952.955.7766 -- Sent From My Desktop _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From admin at lctn.org Mon Mar 23 08:30:04 2015 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 08:30:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] alert for long ping times In-Reply-To: <55100F57.9080809@e-skinner.net> Message-ID: <13449258.8151.1427117436298.JavaMail.raymond@mint-1> How would I configure the ms variable? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Skinner" To: "TCLUG Mailing List" Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 8:04:23 AM Subject: Re: [tclug-list] alert for long ping times On 03/23/2015 07:59 AM, Raymond Norton wrote: > I currently run an aggressive ping script that sends an email if specific hosts go down. Is there a way to do the same; maybe even play a sound, when ping times exceed 75ms? > Replace email with text to speech! http://www.maketecheasier.com/make-computer-talk-with-festival/ _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel.longanecker at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 08:54:30 2015 From: joel.longanecker at gmail.com (Joel Longanecker) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 08:54:30 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] alert for long ping times In-Reply-To: <13449258.8151.1427117436298.JavaMail.raymond@mint-1> References: <55100F57.9080809@e-skinner.net> <13449258.8151.1427117436298.JavaMail.raymond@mint-1> Message-ID: https://github.com/FlipperPA/latency-tester This might be a good place to start. It's on github, but no license. *Basically where it says this:* if ping_time > threshold: write_to_file(log_file, line + '\n') is where you want to add in your code. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 8:30 AM, Raymond Norton wrote: > How would I configure the ms variable? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marc Skinner" > To: "TCLUG Mailing List" > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 8:04:23 AM > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] alert for long ping times > > On 03/23/2015 07:59 AM, Raymond Norton wrote: > > I currently run an aggressive ping script that sends an email if > specific hosts go down. Is there a way to do the same; maybe even play a > sound, when ping times exceed 75ms? > > > > > Replace email with text to speech! > > http://www.maketecheasier.com/make-computer-talk-with-festival/ > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From twakefield at stcloudstate.edu Mon Mar 23 09:20:59 2015 From: twakefield at stcloudstate.edu (Wakefield, Thad M.) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 14:20:59 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] alert for long ping times In-Reply-To: <28133344.8050.1427115609365.JavaMail.raymond@mint-1> References: <28133344.8050.1427115609365.JavaMail.raymond@mint-1> Message-ID: If I were doing this in bash, I would start with something like this: xx=`ping -c1 8.8.8.8 | sed -n '/ttl/s/^.*=\([0-9]*\).*$/\1/p'` ;if [ "$xx" != "" ] && [ "$xx" -lt "75" ]; then echo $xx;else echo mail; fi > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn- > linux.org] On Behalf Of Raymond Norton > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 8:00 AM > To: tclug-list > Subject: [tclug-list] alert for long ping times > > I currently run an aggressive ping script that sends an email if specific hosts go > down. Is there a way to do the same; maybe even play a sound, when ping > times exceed 75ms? > > -- > Raymond Norton > LCTN > 952.955.7766 > > -- > Sent From My Desktop > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel.longanecker at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 09:56:23 2015 From: joel.longanecker at gmail.com (Joel Longanecker) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 09:56:23 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] alert for long ping times In-Reply-To: References: <28133344.8050.1427115609365.JavaMail.raymond@mint-1> Message-ID: And that's why I don't do anything in bash :) On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Wakefield, Thad M. < twakefield at stcloudstate.edu> wrote: > If I were doing this in bash, I would start with something like this: > > xx=`ping -c1 8.8.8.8 | sed -n '/ttl/s/^.*=\([0-9]*\).*$/\1/p'` ;if [ "$xx" > != "" ] && [ "$xx" -lt "75" ]; then echo $xx;else echo mail; fi > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn- > > linux.org] On Behalf Of Raymond Norton > > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 8:00 AM > > To: tclug-list > > Subject: [tclug-list] alert for long ping times > > > > I currently run an aggressive ping script that sends an email if > specific hosts go > > down. Is there a way to do the same; maybe even play a sound, when ping > > times exceed 75ms? > > > > -- > > Raymond Norton > > LCTN > > 952.955.7766 > > > > -- > > Sent From My Desktop > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at lctn.org Mon Mar 23 10:01:29 2015 From: admin at lctn.org (Raymond Norton) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2015 10:01:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] alert for long ping times In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <16414428.8390.1427122925775.JavaMail.raymond@mint-1> The recommended python script is working. I just added a bash script to email me if the log reaches a specific size, so I don't have to deal with a string of alerts when latency becomes a problem.