From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Fri May 1 17:39:29 2015 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 17:39:29 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] vivid networkmanager In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: before vivid i'd habitually setup static IPs in /etc/network/interfaces and remove wpa_supplicant which in turn yanked out networkmanager. i just tried that on vivid. ifconfig and route -n look normal but ping is not happening. so are we stuck with an unremovable networkmanager now, or can anyone suggest extra steps that might be needed in vivid? it worked mostly fine with network manager using dhcp, but when I found networkmanager pinning the CPU yesterday i figured i'm overdue to purge it&setup the static IP. not so easy now apparently.. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri May 8 09:51:36 2015 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug) Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 09:51:36 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] ZFS and replacing devices Message-ID: Ok, so one of the drives in my ZFS pool is faulty. Now I know I've replaced a drive before, but for some reason I'm kind of blanking and all the examples are for /dev/sd???, and I've had my zpool use the werid names since then, and since I have Linda on the list I figured it'd be crazy NOT to ask (; So right now my devices all look like this: ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68AX9N0_WD-WMC1T2556461 Which is convenient since I can pull it out and look at the serial number. And I'm sure I can go: # zpool replace media ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68AX9N0_WD-WMC1T2556461 and it'll start moving stuff off there. But... I don't remember how I then get that drive out, and then how I add the new one, and how I find that insane long device name for the new device. SECONDARY QUESTION: Would it be a better idea to add the new drive (I have a free SATA port, it wouldn't be in my array but the server would see it as /dev/sdj), let it do the replacement live, and THEN remove the old one and put the new disc in the array? If so, again, how do I get the "new" device name? Or should I just go # zpool replace media ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68AX9N0_WD-WMC1T2556461 /dev/sdj I think that should actually detach the old drive for me, too, and then all I'd have to do is tell ZFS to 'translate' the device name? If that's the better solution, can someone remind me how to make it translate the name? (: Thanks! -- From lkateley at kateley.com Fri May 8 10:37:41 2015 From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley) Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 10:37:41 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] ZFS and replacing devices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <554CD845.2030302@kateley.com> Hi, So you do need to use the device id for replace. You might be able to get the names from zpool history. I tried to look through my zol class and I can't remember how you map the drives in linux. I am sure someone on the list knows how to map drives. You might want to #zpool offline poolname diskname and then physically replace and then #zpool online poolname diskname linda On 5/8/15 9:51 AM, Clug wrote: > Ok, so one of the drives in my ZFS pool is faulty. > > Now I know I've replaced a drive before, but for some reason I'm kind > of blanking and all the examples are for /dev/sd???, and I've had my > zpool use the werid names since then, and since I have Linda on the > list I figured it'd be crazy NOT to ask (; > > So right now my devices all look like this: > > ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68AX9N0_WD-WMC1T2556461 > > Which is convenient since I can pull it out and look at the serial > number. And I'm sure I can go: > > # zpool replace media ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68AX9N0_WD-WMC1T2556461 > > and it'll start moving stuff off there. > > But... I don't remember how I then get that drive out, and then how I > add the new one, and how I find that insane long device name for the > new device. > > > SECONDARY QUESTION: Would it be a better idea to add the new drive (I > have a free SATA port, it wouldn't be in my array but the server would > see it as /dev/sdj), let it do the replacement live, and THEN remove > the old one and put the new disc in the array? > > If so, again, how do I get the "new" device name? Or should I just go > > # zpool replace media ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68AX9N0_WD-WMC1T2556461 /dev/sdj > > I think that should actually detach the old drive for me, too, and > then all I'd have to do is tell ZFS to 'translate' the device name? If > that's the better solution, can someone remind me how to make it > translate the name? (: > > > Thanks! > > -- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri May 8 10:46:05 2015 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug) Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 10:46:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] ZFS and replacing devices In-Reply-To: <554CD845.2030302@kateley.com> References: <554CD845.2030302@kateley.com> Message-ID: The device's "real" name is /dev/sdi. If I add another device to the system, it'll be /dev/sdj. My question is if I do a "zpool replace media /dev/sdi /dev/sdj" and then remove /dev/sdi.... then /dev/sdj is not /dev/sdi... and I don't know how zpool will handle it. I /think/ it'll be fine, but... And again, I wish I remembered how I got zfs to go from "sdi" to "ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68AX9N0_WD-WMC1T2556461". zfs recommended I do it, but I forget how/why/etc... But basically, the steps should be: (My pool name is media, bad device is /dev/sdi, new device is /dev/sdj) 1. Add new drive (/dev/sdj) 2. zpool offline media 3. zpool replace media sdi sdj 4. Wait a couple of days till that's done. 5. Physically remove /dev/sdi from system. 6. Reboot 7. (possibly?) zpool online media Is that about right? Or do I need /dev/sdi and /dev/sdj in the zpool replace? On Fri, 8 May 2015, Linda Kateley wrote: > Hi, > > So you do need to use the device id for replace. You might be able to get the > names from zpool history. > > I tried to look through my zol class and I can't remember how you map the > drives in linux. I am sure someone on the list knows how to map drives. > > You might want to #zpool offline poolname diskname and then physically > replace and then #zpool online poolname diskname > > linda > > On 5/8/15 9:51 AM, Clug wrote: >> Ok, so one of the drives in my ZFS pool is faulty. >> >> Now I know I've replaced a drive before, but for some reason I'm kind of >> blanking and all the examples are for /dev/sd???, and I've had my zpool use >> the werid names since then, and since I have Linda on the list I figured >> it'd be crazy NOT to ask (; >> >> So right now my devices all look like this: >> >> ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68AX9N0_WD-WMC1T2556461 >> >> Which is convenient since I can pull it out and look at the serial number. >> And I'm sure I can go: >> >> # zpool replace media ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68AX9N0_WD-WMC1T2556461 >> >> and it'll start moving stuff off there. >> >> But... I don't remember how I then get that drive out, and then how I add >> the new one, and how I find that insane long device name for the new >> device. >> >> >> SECONDARY QUESTION: Would it be a better idea to add the new drive (I have >> a free SATA port, it wouldn't be in my array but the server would see it as >> /dev/sdj), let it do the replacement live, and THEN remove the old one and >> put the new disc in the array? >> >> If so, again, how do I get the "new" device name? Or should I just go >> >> # zpool replace media ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68AX9N0_WD-WMC1T2556461 /dev/sdj >> >> I think that should actually detach the old drive for me, too, and then all >> I'd have to do is tell ZFS to 'translate' the device name? If that's the >> better solution, can someone remind me how to make it translate the name? >> (: >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri May 8 10:52:09 2015 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug) Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 10:52:09 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] ZFS and replacing devices In-Reply-To: References: <554CD845.2030302@kateley.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 May 2015, Clug wrote: > And again, I wish I remembered how I got zfs to go from "sdi" to > "ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68AX9N0_WD-WMC1T2556461". zfs recommended I do it, but I > forget how/why/etc... I figured that part out. You zpool export the pool, and then zpool import -d /dev/disk/by-id the pool. -- From lkateley at kateley.com Fri May 8 11:19:08 2015 From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley) Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 11:19:08 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] ZFS and replacing devices In-Reply-To: References: <554CD845.2030302@kateley.com> Message-ID: <554CE1FC.8010009@kateley.com> On 5/8/15 10:46 AM, Clug wrote: > The device's "real" name is /dev/sdi. > > If I add another device to the system, it'll be /dev/sdj. My question > is if I do a "zpool replace media /dev/sdi /dev/sdj" and then remove > /dev/sdi.... then /dev/sdj is not /dev/sdi... and I don't know how > zpool will handle it. I /think/ it'll be fine, but... > > And again, I wish I remembered how I got zfs to go from "sdi" to > "ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68AX9N0_WD-WMC1T2556461". zfs recommended I do it, > but I forget how/why/etc... > > > But basically, the steps should be: > > (My pool name is media, bad device is /dev/sdi, new device is /dev/sdj) > > 1. Add new drive (/dev/sdj) > 2. zpool offline media Offline is used for a disk not a whole pool > 3. zpool replace media sdi sdj this is correct. > 4. Wait a couple of days till that's done. 5. Physically remove > /dev/sdi from system. 6. Reboot Yea, it depends on how much data it needs to read to rebuild. If it's empty probably a couple seconds, if it is a 11+1 full 4TB drives maybe several days.. > 7. (possibly?) zpool online media Not necessary the pool can stay online while the rebuild is occurring > > > Is that about right? Or do I need /dev/sdi and /dev/sdj in the zpool > replace? > > > On Fri, 8 May 2015, Linda Kateley wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> So you do need to use the device id for replace. You might be able to >> get the names from zpool history. >> >> I tried to look through my zol class and I can't remember how you map >> the drives in linux. I am sure someone on the list knows how to map >> drives. >> >> You might want to #zpool offline poolname diskname and then >> physically replace and then #zpool online poolname diskname >> >> linda >> >> On 5/8/15 9:51 AM, Clug wrote: >>> Ok, so one of the drives in my ZFS pool is faulty. >>> >>> Now I know I've replaced a drive before, but for some reason I'm >>> kind of blanking and all the examples are for /dev/sd???, and I've >>> had my zpool use the werid names since then, and since I have Linda >>> on the list I figured it'd be crazy NOT to ask (; >>> >>> So right now my devices all look like this: >>> >>> ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68AX9N0_WD-WMC1T2556461 >>> >>> Which is convenient since I can pull it out and look at the serial >>> number. And I'm sure I can go: >>> >>> # zpool replace media ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68AX9N0_WD-WMC1T2556461 >>> >>> and it'll start moving stuff off there. >>> >>> But... I don't remember how I then get that drive out, and then how >>> I add the new one, and how I find that insane long device name for >>> the new device. >>> >>> >>> SECONDARY QUESTION: Would it be a better idea to add the new drive >>> (I have a free SATA port, it wouldn't be in my array but the server >>> would see it as /dev/sdj), let it do the replacement live, and THEN >>> remove the old one and put the new disc in the array? >>> >>> If so, again, how do I get the "new" device name? Or should I just go >>> >>> # zpool replace media ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68AX9N0_WD-WMC1T2556461 >>> /dev/sdj >>> >>> I think that should actually detach the old drive for me, too, and >>> then all I'd have to do is tell ZFS to 'translate' the device name? >>> If that's the better solution, can someone remind me how to make it >>> translate the name? (: >>> >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Linda Kateley Kateley Company Skype ID-kateleyco http://kateleyco.com From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri May 8 11:29:22 2015 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug) Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 11:29:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] ZFS and replacing devices In-Reply-To: <554CE1FC.8010009@kateley.com> References: <554CD845.2030302@kateley.com> <554CE1FC.8010009@kateley.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 May 2015, Linda Kateley wrote: >> 1. Add new drive (/dev/sdj) >> 2. zpool offline media > Offline is used for a disk not a whole pool Oh, ok. Wouldn't it be a good idea to take the whole pool down? I'm going to shut down everything that uses that data, for sure. > Yea, it depends on how much data it needs to read to rebuild. If it's empty > probably a couple seconds, if it is a 11+1 full 4TB drives maybe several > days.. The pool is made of two 3+1 3TB raidz1, and it's like 60% full. I don't know what is where but when that one disk was not functioning correctly I was seeing a LOT of errors. A scrub of that pool takes at least 60 hours, even if I manage to not access it at all (yes, the better part of a week). This thing was DEFINITELY not built for speed, it was built for reliability (and space) (: -- From lkateley at kateley.com Fri May 8 12:10:41 2015 From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley) Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 12:10:41 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] ZFS and replacing devices In-Reply-To: References: <554CD845.2030302@kateley.com> <554CE1FC.8010009@kateley.com> Message-ID: <554CEE11.40001@kateley.com> On 5/8/15 11:29 AM, Clug wrote: > On Fri, 8 May 2015, Linda Kateley wrote: > >>> 1. Add new drive (/dev/sdj) >>> 2. zpool offline media >> Offline is used for a disk not a whole pool > > Oh, ok. Wouldn't it be a good idea to take the whole pool down? I'm > going to shut down everything that uses that data, for sure. This another one of those great features of zfs (and why i love it sooo much) you don't have to take it down.. you can add disks and do admin live!!! > >> Yea, it depends on how much data it needs to read to rebuild. If it's >> empty probably a couple seconds, if it is a 11+1 full 4TB drives >> maybe several days.. > > The pool is made of two 3+1 3TB raidz1, and it's like 60% full. I > don't know what is where but when that one disk was not functioning > correctly I was seeing a LOT of errors. A scrub of that pool takes at > least 60 hours, even if I manage to not access it at all (yes, the > better part of a week). This thing was DEFINITELY not built for speed, > it was built for reliability (and space) (: Yea, I don't think zol has delay code. The freebsd has delay code so that during scrub or resilver, it puts a delay in between ios and keeps the pool up and at almost full speed. Makes those admin tasks longer but it is nice > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Linda Kateley Kateley Company Skype ID-kateleyco http://kateleyco.com From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri May 8 12:15:05 2015 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug) Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 12:15:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] ZFS and replacing devices In-Reply-To: <554CEE11.40001@kateley.com> References: <554CD845.2030302@kateley.com> <554CE1FC.8010009@kateley.com> <554CEE11.40001@kateley.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 May 2015, Linda Kateley wrote: > Yea, I don't think zol has delay code. The freebsd has delay code so that > during scrub or resilver, it puts a delay in between ios and keeps the pool > up and at almost full speed. Makes those admin tasks longer but it is nice Oh this thing slows the hell down when I do a scrub - and a scrub in turn slows down regular operations! Which is why I thought about taking the pool completely offline (: From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri May 8 12:47:27 2015 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug) Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 12:47:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Time (was Re: ZFS and replacing devices) In-Reply-To: <554CE1FC.8010009@kateley.com> References: <554CD845.2030302@kateley.com> <554CE1FC.8010009@kateley.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 May 2015, Linda Kateley wrote: > Yea, it depends on how much data it needs to read to rebuild. If it's empty > probably a couple seconds, if it is a 11+1 full 4TB drives maybe several > days.. Uuugh. I just started it and it said it'll take 345 hours. But it just revised it's ETA to about 28 hours, but now it's back up to 40. Either way I don't think it'll take half a month (: By the way, I was able to use the disk-by-id for both old and new devices, so I basically went: # zpool offline media ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68AX9N0_WD-WMC1T2656431 # zpool replace media ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68AX9N0_WD-WMC1T2656431 ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68EUZN0_WD-WMC4N3F9Y7P5 Then I fixed the partition table on the new drive and ran that again (; -- From lkateley at kateley.com Fri May 8 13:04:03 2015 From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley) Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 13:04:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Time (was Re: ZFS and replacing devices) In-Reply-To: References: <554CD845.2030302@kateley.com> <554CE1FC.8010009@kateley.com> Message-ID: <554CFA93.5080606@kateley.com> It looks like it does have some of the delay code in.. In freebsd the way it works is that it calculates the time, with the 5ms delay in-between each io. As time goes by and there is no other io activity, it recalculates. It will probably be apx 1/5 of the projected time.. or apx 6 hours. linda On 5/8/15 12:47 PM, Clug wrote: > On Fri, 8 May 2015, Linda Kateley wrote: > > >> Yea, it depends on how much data it needs to read to rebuild. If it's >> empty probably a couple seconds, if it is a 11+1 full 4TB drives >> maybe several days.. > > Uuugh. I just started it and it said it'll take 345 hours. > > But it just revised it's ETA to about 28 hours, but now it's back up > to 40. Either way I don't think it'll take half a month (: > > By the way, I was able to use the disk-by-id for both old and new > devices, so I basically went: > > # zpool offline media ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68AX9N0_WD-WMC1T2656431 > # zpool replace media ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68AX9N0_WD-WMC1T2656431 > ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68EUZN0_WD-WMC4N3F9Y7P5 > > Then I fixed the partition table on the new drive and ran that again (; > > -- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Linda Kateley Kateley Company Skype ID-kateleyco http://kateleyco.com From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri May 8 13:17:23 2015 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug) Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 13:17:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Time (was Re: ZFS and replacing devices) In-Reply-To: <554CFA93.5080606@kateley.com> References: <554CD845.2030302@kateley.com> <554CE1FC.8010009@kateley.com> <554CFA93.5080606@kateley.com> Message-ID: You wanna bet? (; my experience with this specific array is that it's usually dead-on. I think it'll be a bit over 24 hours (which is where it seems to settle). Honestly as long as it takes less than the 30 days I have to return the bad drive for the RMA I'm fine (: On Fri, 8 May 2015, Linda Kateley wrote: > It looks like it does have some of the delay code in.. > > In freebsd the way it works is that it calculates the time, with the 5ms > delay in-between each io. As time goes by and there is no other io activity, > it recalculates. It will probably be apx 1/5 of the projected time.. or apx 6 > hours. > > linda > > On 5/8/15 12:47 PM, Clug wrote: >> On Fri, 8 May 2015, Linda Kateley wrote: >> >> >>> Yea, it depends on how much data it needs to read to rebuild. If it's >>> empty probably a couple seconds, if it is a 11+1 full 4TB drives maybe >>> several days.. >> >> Uuugh. I just started it and it said it'll take 345 hours. >> >> But it just revised it's ETA to about 28 hours, but now it's back up to 40. >> Either way I don't think it'll take half a month (: >> >> By the way, I was able to use the disk-by-id for both old and new devices, >> so I basically went: >> >> # zpool offline media ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68AX9N0_WD-WMC1T2656431 >> # zpool replace media ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68AX9N0_WD-WMC1T2656431 >> ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68EUZN0_WD-WMC4N3F9Y7P5 >> >> Then I fixed the partition table on the new drive and ran that again (; >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From lkateley at kateley.com Fri May 8 13:33:19 2015 From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley) Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 13:33:19 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Time (was Re: ZFS and replacing devices) In-Reply-To: References: <554CD845.2030302@kateley.com> <554CE1FC.8010009@kateley.com> <554CFA93.5080606@kateley.com> Message-ID: <554D016F.8020008@kateley.com> no wagering :) On 5/8/15 1:17 PM, Clug wrote: > You wanna bet? (; my experience with this specific array is that it's > usually dead-on. I think it'll be a bit over 24 hours (which is where > it seems to settle). > > Honestly as long as it takes less than the 30 days I have to return > the bad drive for the RMA I'm fine (: > > On Fri, 8 May 2015, Linda Kateley wrote: > >> It looks like it does have some of the delay code in.. >> >> In freebsd the way it works is that it calculates the time, with the >> 5ms delay in-between each io. As time goes by and there is no other >> io activity, it recalculates. It will probably be apx 1/5 of the >> projected time.. or apx 6 hours. >> >> linda >> >> On 5/8/15 12:47 PM, Clug wrote: >>> On Fri, 8 May 2015, Linda Kateley wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Yea, it depends on how much data it needs to read to rebuild. If >>>> it's empty probably a couple seconds, if it is a 11+1 full 4TB >>>> drives maybe several days.. >>> >>> Uuugh. I just started it and it said it'll take 345 hours. >>> >>> But it just revised it's ETA to about 28 hours, but now it's back up >>> to 40. Either way I don't think it'll take half a month (: >>> >>> By the way, I was able to use the disk-by-id for both old and new >>> devices, so I basically went: >>> >>> # zpool offline media ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68AX9N0_WD-WMC1T2656431 >>> # zpool replace media ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68AX9N0_WD-WMC1T2656431 >>> ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68EUZN0_WD-WMC4N3F9Y7P5 >>> >>> Then I fixed the partition table on the new drive and ran that again (; >>> >>> -- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Linda Kateley Kateley Company Skype ID-kateleyco http://kateleyco.com From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri May 8 14:24:34 2015 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug) Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 14:24:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Time (was Re: ZFS and replacing devices) In-Reply-To: <554D016F.8020008@kateley.com> References: <554CD845.2030302@kateley.com> <554CE1FC.8010009@kateley.com> <554CFA93.5080606@kateley.com> <554D016F.8020008@kateley.com> Message-ID: I'll let you know how it turned out (; it's at about 24 hours right now. On Fri, 8 May 2015, Linda Kateley wrote: > no wagering :) > > On 5/8/15 1:17 PM, Clug wrote: >> You wanna bet? (; my experience with this specific array is that it's >> usually dead-on. I think it'll be a bit over 24 hours (which is where it >> seems to settle). >> >> Honestly as long as it takes less than the 30 days I have to return the bad >> drive for the RMA I'm fine (: >> >> On Fri, 8 May 2015, Linda Kateley wrote: >> >>> It looks like it does have some of the delay code in.. >>> >>> In freebsd the way it works is that it calculates the time, with the 5ms >>> delay in-between each io. As time goes by and there is no other io >>> activity, it recalculates. It will probably be apx 1/5 of the projected >>> time.. or apx 6 hours. >>> >>> linda >>> >>> On 5/8/15 12:47 PM, Clug wrote: >>>> On Fri, 8 May 2015, Linda Kateley wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Yea, it depends on how much data it needs to read to rebuild. If it's >>>>> empty probably a couple seconds, if it is a 11+1 full 4TB drives maybe >>>>> several days.. >>>> >>>> Uuugh. I just started it and it said it'll take 345 hours. >>>> >>>> But it just revised it's ETA to about 28 hours, but now it's back up to >>>> 40. Either way I don't think it'll take half a month (: >>>> >>>> By the way, I was able to use the disk-by-id for both old and new >>>> devices, so I basically went: >>>> >>>> # zpool offline media ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68AX9N0_WD-WMC1T2656431 >>>> # zpool replace media ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68AX9N0_WD-WMC1T2656431 >>>> ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68EUZN0_WD-WMC4N3F9Y7P5 >>>> >>>> Then I fixed the partition table on the new drive and ran that again (; >>>> >>>> -- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > From tclug at freakzilla.com Sun May 10 09:58:44 2015 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug) Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 09:58:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Time (was: that whoel ZFS thing) Message-ID: Just fyi, it's still going. Has about an hour or two to go, but it started on Friday... -- From lkateley at kateley.com Mon May 11 09:02:15 2015 From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 09:02:15 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Time (was: that whoel ZFS thing) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5550B667.1000809@kateley.com> I forget what the raid set was? 7+1? I always tell people rebuilds are longer when the raid sets are deeper but it would be good to have some real numbers. No activity on it while it was rebuilding? On 5/10/15 9:58 AM, Clug wrote: > Just fyi, it's still going. Has about an hour or two to go, but it > started on Friday... > > -- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at freakzilla.com Mon May 11 14:24:26 2015 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 14:24:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Time (was: that whoel ZFS thing) In-Reply-To: <5550B667.1000809@kateley.com> References: <5550B667.1000809@kateley.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 11 May 2015, Linda Kateley wrote: > I forget what the raid set was? 7+1? It's two 3+1. > No activity on it while it was rebuilding? Minimal activity. I mean it was still online and shared via NFS, but nothing was accessing it. About half-way through I got bored and did do some read-access, and I noticed that didn't change the pace. There was still minimal stuff and it kept going at about 80M/sec. Funny thing is after the rebuild was complete I decided to do a just-in-case scrub. No activity, and that went from 70K/sec to 30K/sec. It's at 25% and says it'll be another 83 hours... this is NOT a fast array. I sometimes tell myself that if I throw ECC RAM in there it'll be faster, but I don't think that's the bottleneck. I think these NAS drives are built for reliability rather than speed. Sure, I've had to RMA two of them so far, but hey. -- From TNeu at sjm.com Mon May 11 14:33:39 2015 From: TNeu at sjm.com (Neu, Timothy) Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 19:33:39 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Time (was: that whoel ZFS thing) In-Reply-To: References: <5550B667.1000809@kateley.com> Message-ID: <1484DBEEB175C3479AA567DDC6AEE295C0FACB65@USSPPMSG07.ad.sjm.com> There are tuning parameters for how fast ZFS will allow itself to rebuild, it may not be the hardware. http://broken.net/uncategorized/zfs-performance-tuning-for-scrubs-and-resilvers/ > -----Original Message----- > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn- > linux.org] On Behalf Of Clug > Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 2:24 PM > To: TCLUG > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Time (was: that whoel ZFS thing) > > On Mon, 11 May 2015, Linda Kateley wrote: > > > I forget what the raid set was? 7+1? > > It's two 3+1. > > > No activity on it while it was rebuilding? > > Minimal activity. I mean it was still online and shared via NFS, but nothing was > accessing it. About half-way through I got bored and did do some read- > access, and I noticed that didn't change the pace. There was still minimal stuff > and it kept going at about 80M/sec. > > Funny thing is after the rebuild was complete I decided to do a just-in-case > scrub. > > No activity, and that went from 70K/sec to 30K/sec. It's at 25% and says it'll be > another 83 hours... this is NOT a fast array. > > I sometimes tell myself that if I throw ECC RAM in there it'll be faster, but I > don't think that's the bottleneck. I think these NAS drives are built for > reliability rather than speed. Sure, I've had to RMA two of them so far, but > hey. > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list This communication, including any attachments, may contain information that is proprietary, privileged, confidential or legally exempt from disclosure. If you are not a named addressee, you are hereby notified that you are not authorized to read, print, retain a copy of or disseminate any portion of this communication without the consent of the sender and that doing so may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender via return e-mail and delete it from your system. 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And I'm sure some of us deal with our friends and relatives and their seeming inability to keep their systems clear of malware because nobody listens to us but then they come running and expect us to fix it for them. Anyway, been a while since I did that last, and I'm looking for a (potentially linux-based) livecd image that you like for that. Something that'll boot from a USB drive, run antimalware/antispyware/antivirus stuff etc. I was wondering if any of you might have a recommendation. Thanks! -- From joel.longanecker at gmail.com Sun May 17 09:49:40 2015 From: joel.longanecker at gmail.com (Joel Longanecker) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 09:49:40 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Rescue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just recommend them a chromebook / chromebox, and say you won't help them with it until they get one of those. and there's always this for the stubborn ones... http://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 10:09 PM, Clug wrote: > Hi all, > > So, we're all Linux people. And I'm sure some of us deal with our friends > and relatives and their seeming inability to keep their systems clear of > malware because nobody listens to us but then they come running and expect > us to fix it for them. > > Anyway, been a while since I did that last, and I'm looking for a > (potentially linux-based) livecd image that you like for that. Something > that'll boot from a USB drive, run antimalware/antispyware/antivirus stuff > etc. > > I was wondering if any of you might have a recommendation. > > > Thanks! > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o1bigtenor at gmail.com Sun May 17 10:17:38 2015 From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 10:17:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Rescue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I wasn't sure that I really had anything to say - - - but - - - - 2 things Have used SystemRescue (don't remember which version but its linux based and up to date) to fix my own borks on my main system Looking at the recommended url there is nothing for those that MUST have a UEFI setup. I believe that number is growing rather than shrinking! With the disk missing this important tool I would be looking further, although the list of windows tools is quite long. Dee On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Joel Longanecker < joel.longanecker at gmail.com> wrote: > Just recommend them a chromebook / chromebox, and say you won't help them > with it until they get one of those. > > and there's always this for the stubborn ones... > > http://www.hiren.info/pages/bootcd > > On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 10:09 PM, Clug wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> So, we're all Linux people. And I'm sure some of us deal with our friends >> and relatives and their seeming inability to keep their systems clear of >> malware because nobody listens to us but then they come running and expect >> us to fix it for them. >> >> Anyway, been a while since I did that last, and I'm looking for a >> (potentially linux-based) livecd image that you like for that. Something >> that'll boot from a USB drive, run antimalware/antispyware/antivirus stuff >> etc. >> >> I was wondering if any of you might have a recommendation. >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> -- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Sun May 17 12:48:01 2015 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 12:48:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Rescue Message-ID: > Hi all, > > So, we're all Linux people. And I'm sure some of us deal with our friends > and relatives and their seeming inability to keep their systems clear of > malware because nobody listens to us but then they come running and expect > us to fix it for them. I prefer PC-BSD and FreeBsd to Linux or Windows. If I had to choose between Linux and Windows for development, I'd pick Linux, but am glad I don't have to deal with Linux as much as I used to. Anyway, I sometimes tell people using Windows that I use other operating systems and don't know how to help them. Or that I'll help them if they are willing to use BSD. -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust. http://webEbenezer.net From tclug at freakzilla.com Sun May 17 12:53:38 2015 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 12:53:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Rescue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Guys, I don't think you understand. I'm not trying to get people to switch to anything, and in this specific case I'm not trying to avoid helping peiple. I've got a friend who got themselves in a bit of a bind and I'm trying to help, but it's been a while since I've done the Boot Off A USB Drive And Run Antimalware. -- On Sun, 17 May 2015, Brian Wood wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> So, we're all Linux people. And I'm sure some of us deal with our friends >> and relatives and their seeming inability to keep their systems clear of >> malware because nobody listens to us but then they come running and expect >> us to fix it for them. > > I prefer PC-BSD and FreeBsd to Linux or Windows. If I had to > choose between Linux and Windows for development, I'd pick > Linux, but am glad I don't have to deal with Linux as much as I > used to. > > Anyway, I sometimes tell people using Windows that I use other > operating systems and don't know how to help them. Or that I'll > help them if they are willing to use BSD. > > From droidjd at gmail.com Sun May 17 13:08:47 2015 From: droidjd at gmail.com (Andrew Dahl) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 18:08:47 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Rescue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've never used a live Linux distro to run any sort of antimalware suite... I've only ever used them recover data and fix partitions. With that said, my mind immediately jumps to using a Windows Live CD for your particular use case. Back with XP/2003, I'd use BartPE, but I haven't created a Windows Live CD since then http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/ -- Here are some possible instructions on creating a Windows 7 PE: https://diskcryptor.net/forum/index.php?topic=4843.0 Otherwise, if the system boots, I've always just run everything from there. If it doesn't, I'd just use the Windows boot media to fix it. Of course, if all else fails, it's time to reinstall! :-) Good luck! On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 12:53 PM Clug wrote: > Guys, I don't think you understand. I'm not trying to get people to switch > to anything, and in this specific case I'm not trying to avoid helping > peiple. I've got a friend who got themselves in a bit of a bind and I'm > trying to help, but it's been a while since I've done the Boot Off A USB > Drive And Run Antimalware. > > -- > > On Sun, 17 May 2015, Brian Wood wrote: > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> So, we're all Linux people. And I'm sure some of us deal with our > friends > >> and relatives and their seeming inability to keep their systems clear of > >> malware because nobody listens to us but then they come running and > expect > >> us to fix it for them. > > > > I prefer PC-BSD and FreeBsd to Linux or Windows. If I had to > > choose between Linux and Windows for development, I'd pick > > Linux, but am glad I don't have to deal with Linux as much as I > > used to. > > > > Anyway, I sometimes tell people using Windows that I use other > > operating systems and don't know how to help them. Or that I'll > > help them if they are willing to use BSD. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Sun May 17 13:10:16 2015 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 13:10:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Rescue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5558D988.8020708@gmail.com> On 5/17/2015 12:53 PM, Clug wrote: > Guys, I don't think you understand. I'm not trying to get people to > switch to anything, and in this specific case I'm not trying to avoid > helping peiple. I've got a friend who got themselves in a bit of a bind > and I'm trying to help, but it's been a while since I've done the Boot > Off A USB Drive And Run Antimalware. > I never had luck with this. I usually do one of the following (sometimes both). Pull the drive & attach it to a machine with Anitvirus. Scan it then try to repair the damage. or, pull the drive and attach it to another machine. Pull any files off they want to save. Put the drive back in the original machine, and reinstall. From tclug at freakzilla.com Sun May 17 13:23:18 2015 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 13:23:18 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Rescue In-Reply-To: <5558D988.8020708@gmail.com> References: <5558D988.8020708@gmail.com> Message-ID: I was trying really hard to be non-specific about the situation, while being very specific about the solution I want to use - my bad. The situation is someone I know who is VERY non tech-savvy had a problem with a printer at work (very small place) and went to what they THOUGHT was the support site for that printer, where they were told to "download and run" something that gave the person on the other end access to their system so they could "diagnose" the problem. Naturally my friend came to their senses AFTER all this and are now terrified that their system is "full of viruses". And they are really, really not wanting to let their employer know. So I'm basically doing some guerilla support on this. I therefore can't yank the drive (which would be my preferred option). I /have/ used Linux Live CDs in the past do run malware removers, but that was years back, and I was hoping there are some good/better options nowadays. Barring that, I'm bringing portable malware/spyware/antivirus stuff with me on a USB drive and booting the thing into safe mode. It's not a big deal and I'm not asking for advice on how to fix stuff. I specifically want to know if you guys have advice on a live rescue CD image (: On Sun, 17 May 2015, B-o-B De Mars wrote: > On 5/17/2015 12:53 PM, Clug wrote: >> Guys, I don't think you understand. I'm not trying to get people to >> switch to anything, and in this specific case I'm not trying to avoid >> helping peiple. I've got a friend who got themselves in a bit of a bind >> and I'm trying to help, but it's been a while since I've done the Boot >> Off A USB Drive And Run Antimalware. >> > > I never had luck with this. I usually do one of the following (sometimes > both). > > Pull the drive & attach it to a machine with Anitvirus. Scan it then try to > repair the damage. > > or, pull the drive and attach it to another machine. Pull any files off they > want to save. Put the drive back in the original machine, and reinstall. > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From marc at e-skinner.net Sun May 17 15:12:17 2015 From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 15:12:17 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Rescue In-Reply-To: References: <5558D988.8020708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5558F621.5000809@e-skinner.net> I would check these out. AVG http://www.avg.com/us-en/avg-rescue-cd-download Norton https://security.symantec.com/nbrt/nbrt.aspx Kaspersky http://rescuedisk.kaspersky-labs.com/rescuedisk/updatable/kav_rescue_10.iso Bitdefender http://download.bitdefender.com/rescue_cd/BitDefenderRescueCD_v2.0.0_5_10_2010.iso I typically will scan with 2-3 different tools, as they all pick up things differently. This will take time, 8-16 hours per system. Once you have validated all your systems are clean, then maintain a good anti-virus and anti-malware active foot print on your systems. Good luck! On 05/17/2015 01:23 PM, Clug wrote: > I was trying really hard to be non-specific about the situation, while > being very specific about the solution I want to use - my bad. > > The situation is someone I know who is VERY non tech-savvy had a problem > with a printer at work (very small place) and went to what they THOUGHT > was the support site for that printer, where they were told to "download > and run" something that gave the person on the other end access to their > system so they could "diagnose" the problem. > > Naturally my friend came to their senses AFTER all this and are now > terrified that their system is "full of viruses". And they are really, > really not wanting to let their employer know. > > So I'm basically doing some guerilla support on this. I therefore can't > yank the drive (which would be my preferred option). I /have/ used Linux > Live CDs in the past do run malware removers, but that was years back, > and I was hoping there are some good/better options nowadays. Barring > that, I'm bringing portable malware/spyware/antivirus stuff with me on a > USB drive and booting the thing into safe mode. > > It's not a big deal and I'm not asking for advice on how to fix stuff. I > specifically want to know if you guys have advice on a live rescue CD > image (: > > > > On Sun, 17 May 2015, B-o-B De Mars wrote: > >> On 5/17/2015 12:53 PM, Clug wrote: >>> Guys, I don't think you understand. I'm not trying to get people to >>> switch to anything, and in this specific case I'm not trying to avoid >>> helping peiple. I've got a friend who got themselves in a bit of a bind >>> and I'm trying to help, but it's been a while since I've done the Boot >>> Off A USB Drive And Run Antimalware. >>> >> >> I never had luck with this. I usually do one of the following >> (sometimes both). >> >> Pull the drive & attach it to a machine with Anitvirus. Scan it then >> try to repair the damage. >> >> or, pull the drive and attach it to another machine. Pull any files >> off they want to save. Put the drive back in the original machine, >> and reinstall. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From n0nas at amsat.org Sun May 17 22:20:34 2015 From: n0nas at amsat.org (Doug Reed) Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 22:20:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Rescue Message-ID: I have nothing useful to add regarding a Linux boot disk image to run malware tools on a Windows box. I always question how recent the tools are and how well they are geared to finding problems on Windows rather than Linux. I think you already gave the best suggestion, install portable versions of as many Windows AV tools as you can find on a USB stick. As Marc said, plan to use multiple tools and run each one at least one more time after it finds no errors, rebooting between each test..... My old routine was to use anti-virus followed by Ad-Aware and Spybot Search & Destroy because each one found different things. And the reboot often brought them back. I'm now using Malware Bytes in addition to Spybot S&D and MS Security Essentials. For anti-virus I tend to switch between AVG and whatever else is free. I don't let Norton near any of my machines. If you want the last bit of safety, then try building a Windows boot CD or DVD as Andrew suggested and use it with the USB stick. I may try BartPE myself.... The boot disk prevents the contaminated system from executing and the USB stick is easy to update with the latest and greatest. That is my two cents and worth every penny you paid. :-) Good luck with whatever you do. Doug. From Dan.Gawarecki at entrustdatacard.com Tue May 19 16:21:09 2015 From: Dan.Gawarecki at entrustdatacard.com (Dan Gawarecki) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 21:21:09 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Issue printing using Okular on Linux Mint - KDE Message-ID: <95d38a2d80134c1cb9ef0d95bc7358e2@pmspex01.corporate.datacard.com> Hoping for some suggestions with a printing problem I am having while with Okular on Linux Mint KDE (sorry cannot remember at the moment whether it is v16 or 17, and don't have access to the system). The problem is that whenever I print with Okular, what is printed is reduced by 75-80%, and prints in the lower, right corner of the sheet of paper. I cannot see any "scaling" options that I can change. I do not think this a problem with the printer (a Brother MFC 6490CW) as I can open the same document in LibreOffice and it (most often) prints fine (i.e, scaled to the paper as expected). I want to use Okular over LibreOffice as the former seems to render things more faithfully (e.g,. tax return), plus it load quicker. This situation is quizzical to me for it seems at one point that things worked as expected. It could be I have encountered this bug: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319476 Any suggestions are appreciated. +Dan+ Dan Gawarecki ( gav - a - ret - ski ) Sr. Test Engineer dan.gawarecki at entrustdatacard.com | www.entrustdatacard.com [Entrust Datacard Logo] CONNECT WITH US EVERYWHERE. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Since then I've watched some videos on how to assemble a system. I think I can install the power converter, motherboard, memory and get some of the cables connected. That leaves the cpu, hard drive and some of the cables. I can probably figure out how to install the cpu and hard drive if I have to. So that leaves a few cables that I think I'd need help with. > > Server-grade boards tend not to incorporate new tech as fast as > desktop-grade. And I really don't think you need an m.2 slot. If it's a > server I don't think you really need an SSD to boot from, anyway. SHHD, > maybe, but a spinny-disk is just fine. > One reason to go with a spinny disk is they seem easier to install. I guess you use some sort of adapter when you install an SSD. SSDs seem to be working fine now so I still hope to go that route. I estimate that 80% of my file operations will be reads. > Supermicro are not a brand I trust, and they're really the only way you're > getting a server-grade board for under $200 and still be somewhat current. > > A PSU is the ONE component you NEVER want to cheap-out on. Honestly when > I > build a machine the PSU is one of the most expensive components if not THE > single most expensive components. > > I've not put together an actual server build for under $1,500, by the way. > Though I can easily do a desktop-acting-as-a-server for well under $1,000. > All depends on what you need this machine to do. I'm still saving for the system and deciding what components tp buy. It might be late summer or fall before I buy anything. I guess Sky Lake will be available then. -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - So far G-d has helped us. http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rware at capellauniversity.edu Thu May 21 14:50:47 2015 From: rware at capellauniversity.edu (Ryan Ware) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 14:50:47 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Rescue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The right thing to do would be to tell the employer so they can fix the machine properly and be aware that they may have a malware infested machine that may be doing bad things on their network and to other machines. To do otherwise is irresponsible. The employer may be much more dissatisfied with the employee if things drag on and the problem migrates to other computers in the organization. On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Doug Reed wrote: > I have nothing useful to add regarding a Linux boot disk image to run > malware tools on a Windows box. I always question how recent the tools > are and how well they are geared to finding problems on Windows rather > than Linux. > > I think you already gave the best suggestion, install portable > versions of as many Windows AV tools as you can find on a USB stick. > As Marc said, plan to use multiple tools and run each one at least one > more time after it finds no errors, rebooting between each test..... > My old routine was to use anti-virus followed by Ad-Aware and Spybot > Search & Destroy because each one found different things. And the > reboot often brought them back. I'm now using Malware Bytes in > addition to Spybot S&D and MS Security Essentials. For anti-virus I > tend to switch between AVG and whatever else is free. I don't let > Norton near any of my machines. > > If you want the last bit of safety, then try building a Windows boot > CD or DVD as Andrew suggested and use it with the USB stick. I may try > BartPE myself.... The boot disk prevents the contaminated system from > executing and the USB stick is easy to update with the latest and > greatest. That is my two cents and worth every penny you paid. :-) > > Good luck with whatever you do. > > Doug. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sdalano at gmail.com Thu May 21 15:52:01 2015 From: sdalano at gmail.com (Saul Alanis) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 15:52:01 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Career Opportunity Message-ID: Good Afternoon Everyone- My employer is looking for a Sr Engineer for our Richfield location. They're looking for extensive experience with either AIX, HPUX, Solaris plus Linux. Please see job posting for more information. http://www.bestbuy-jobs.com/job/Richfield -Sr_-Engineer-IT-Platform-Services-Linux-Unix-Job-MN-55423/261502700/ Thanks, SDA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonyyarusso at gmail.com Thu May 21 19:09:24 2015 From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 19:09:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Career Opportunity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Your posting says lots of things you want from the candidate, and nothing about what's in it for them. You'll get more applicants if you include the salary range and a list of benefits - pretty basic requirements for a job posting... From tclug at freakzilla.com Thu May 21 19:28:33 2015 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 19:28:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Rescue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is getting more into philosophy and ethics than Linux, but I'm always up for a discussion. Yes, in in ideal world we'd all do what's right. I will also not that I /did/ specify this is "guerilla support" so I am obviously aware of this not being an ideal situation. In an ideal world, the EMPLOYER would have done the right thing in the first place - that is, they would have had an anti-virus/anti-malware tool installed. I should point out this is a fairly small operation and there is only ONE computer there (which made ME feel a lot better) - this is the machine used by my friend. This is also the machine that the employer expects my friend - a very, very non-technical person - to be 100% responsible for. My friend is skilled with MS Office, but they are expected to do everything from install software to debugging printer failures. My friend has to run backups onto their own PERSONAL DRIVES because if any data gets lost or corrupetd THEY ARE THE ONE BLAMED. A printer failure is what caused this mess in the first place. My friend tells the boss the (6+ year old inkjet) printer is broken and that they need to get a new one and/or pay someone to come look at it. Boss says no, and my friend still gets in trouble for not printing stuff out. So my friend who is, again, very non-technical, finds what they THINK is an HP support site and runs the diagnostic utility they are told will let HP access the computer... etc, etc. And yes, in an ideal world my friend could also quit the hell out of that job and get a better one, but... On Thu, 21 May 2015, Ryan Ware wrote: > The right thing to do would be to tell the employer so they can fix the > machine properly and be aware that they may have a malware infested machine > that may be doing bad things on their network and to other machines.? To do > otherwise is irresponsible.? The employer may be much more dissatisfied with > the employee if things drag on and the problem migrates to other computers > in the organization. > > On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Doug Reed wrote: > I have nothing useful to add regarding a Linux boot disk image > to run > malware tools on a Windows box. I always question how recent the > tools > are and how well they are geared to finding problems on Windows > rather > than Linux. > > I think you already gave the best suggestion, install portable > versions of as many Windows AV tools as you can find on a USB > stick. > As Marc said, plan to use multiple tools and run each one at > least one > more time after it finds no errors, rebooting between each > test..... > My old routine was to use anti-virus followed by Ad-Aware and > Spybot > Search & Destroy because each one found different things. And > the > reboot often brought them back. I'm now using Malware Bytes in > addition to Spybot S&D and MS Security Essentials. For > anti-virus I > tend to switch between AVG and whatever else is free. I don't > let > Norton near any of my machines. > > If you want the last bit of safety, then try building a Windows > boot > CD or DVD as Andrew suggested and use it with the USB stick. I > may try > BartPE myself.... The boot disk prevents the contaminated system > from > executing and the USB stick is easy to update with the latest > and > greatest. That is my two cents and worth every penny you paid. > :-) > > Good luck with whatever you do. > > Doug. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz Thu May 21 19:40:32 2015 From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 19:40:32 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Career Opportunity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah, you?re new here aren?t you? :) Typically people aren?t troubled by clicking a link and reading about a position. Personally? I?d never work for Best Buy simply on principle. > On May 21, 2015, at 7:09 PM, Tony Yarusso wrote: > > Your posting says lots of things you want from the candidate, and > nothing about what's in it for them. You'll get more applicants if > you include the salary range and a list of benefits - pretty basic > requirements for a job posting... > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From sdalano at gmail.com Thu May 21 19:54:49 2015 From: sdalano at gmail.com (Saul Alanis) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 19:54:49 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Career Opportunity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There's nothing wrong plugging a position for your work and many people do it, whether new or not on this list. If you aren't interested delete it and move on. Thanks, SDA On May 21, 2015 7:50 PM, "Ryan Coleman" wrote: > Yeah, you?re new here aren?t you? :) > > Typically people aren?t troubled by clicking a link and reading about a > position. Personally? I?d never work for Best Buy simply on principle. > > > On May 21, 2015, at 7:09 PM, Tony Yarusso wrote: > > > > Your posting says lots of things you want from the candidate, and > > nothing about what's in it for them. 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URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Thu May 21 20:57:07 2015 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 20:57:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Server motherboards with an m.2 slot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 21 May 2015, Brian Wood wrote: > Clug writes: > > On Mon, 2 Feb 2015, Brian Wood wrote: Wow, delayed reaction?... > I think I can install the power converter, motherboard, memory and get > some of the cables connected.? That leaves the cpu, hard drive and some > of the cables.? I can probably figure out how to install the cpu and > hard drive if I have to.? So that leaves a few cables that I think I'd > need help with. I really hope you're not putting a power converter in there. Comptuers are pretty much lego. Just make sure you plug BOTH the power connectors from the PSU into the motherboard, and make sure the SPU fan is plugged in before you turn the thing on to test it. I left the 4-pin off one time, not knowing that's what powers the fans, and that CPU was dead in SECONDS. > One reason to go with a spinny disk is they seem easier to > install.? Nope. A SATA connector is a SATA connector whether it's an HHD or SSD. Now if you mean a 3.5" disk rather than a 2.5" disk (which most SSDs are) then you MIGHT need a bracket. Most computer cases nowadays will have the correct screw holes for 2.5", though. Either way, the bracket doesn't make it more complicates, really. You just screw the drive to the bracket first. A spinny disk will still be a HELL of a lot cheaper than an SSD, though. > > A PSU is the ONE component you NEVER want to cheap-out on. You didn't comment on this but it's importantrnough that I'm just quoting myself. > I'm still saving for the system and deciding what components tp buy. > It might be late summer or fall before I buy anything.? I guess Sky Lake > will be available then. I just built a fairly decent system for like $450. It's not "server-grade" but it'll work as a server for now... -- From rware at capellauniversity.edu Fri May 22 09:55:46 2015 From: rware at capellauniversity.edu (Ryan Ware) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 09:55:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Rescue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tell your friend to download a decent Windows anti-virus. I recommend NOD32 from Eset. It has a trial. Run a scan, if it comes up clean your friend can have peace of mind, if it doesn't come up clean there is a good chance that NOD will be able to get rid of the crap anyway. You friend should obviously encourage the employer to spend a few bucks on anti viurs. On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Clug wrote: > This is getting more into philosophy and ethics than Linux, but I'm always > up for a discussion. > > Yes, in in ideal world we'd all do what's right. I will also not that I > /did/ specify this is "guerilla support" so I am obviously aware of this > not being an ideal situation. > > In an ideal world, the EMPLOYER would have done the right thing in the > first place - that is, they would have had an anti-virus/anti-malware tool > installed. I should point out this is a fairly small operation and there is > only ONE computer there (which made ME feel a lot better) - this is the > machine used by my friend. > > This is also the machine that the employer expects my friend - a very, > very non-technical person - to be 100% responsible for. My friend is > skilled with MS Office, but they are expected to do everything from install > software to debugging printer failures. My friend has to run backups onto > their own PERSONAL DRIVES because if any data gets lost or corrupetd THEY > ARE THE ONE BLAMED. > > A printer failure is what caused this mess in the first place. My friend > tells the boss the (6+ year old inkjet) printer is broken and that they > need to get a new one and/or pay someone to come look at it. Boss says no, > and my friend still gets in trouble for not printing stuff out. So my > friend who is, again, very non-technical, finds what they THINK is an HP > support site and runs the diagnostic utility they are told will let HP > access the computer... etc, etc. > > And yes, in an ideal world my friend could also quit the hell out of that > job and get a better one, but... > > > > > On Thu, 21 May 2015, Ryan Ware wrote: > > The right thing to do would be to tell the employer so they can fix the >> machine properly and be aware that they may have a malware infested >> machine >> that may be doing bad things on their network and to other machines. To >> do >> otherwise is irresponsible. The employer may be much more dissatisfied >> with >> the employee if things drag on and the problem migrates to other computers >> in the organization. >> >> On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Doug Reed wrote: >> I have nothing useful to add regarding a Linux boot disk image >> to run >> malware tools on a Windows box. I always question how recent the >> tools >> are and how well they are geared to finding problems on Windows >> rather >> than Linux. >> >> I think you already gave the best suggestion, install portable >> versions of as many Windows AV tools as you can find on a USB >> stick. >> As Marc said, plan to use multiple tools and run each one at >> least one >> more time after it finds no errors, rebooting between each >> test..... >> My old routine was to use anti-virus followed by Ad-Aware and >> Spybot >> Search & Destroy because each one found different things. And >> the >> reboot often brought them back. I'm now using Malware Bytes in >> addition to Spybot S&D and MS Security Essentials. For >> anti-virus I >> tend to switch between AVG and whatever else is free. I don't >> let >> Norton near any of my machines. >> >> If you want the last bit of safety, then try building a Windows >> boot >> CD or DVD as Andrew suggested and use it with the USB stick. I >> may try >> BartPE myself.... The boot disk prevents the contaminated system >> from >> executing and the USB stick is easy to update with the latest >> and >> greatest. That is my two cents and worth every penny you paid. >> :-) >> >> Good luck with whatever you do. >> >> Doug. >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri May 22 10:05:19 2015 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 10:05:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Rescue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is all already taken care of, no worries. Well, it'll keep being a problematic situation and will end in (albeit a limited) disaster, which is really the only thing that makes some people actually sit up and take notice, but that's not something I can prevent, so... On Fri, 22 May 2015, Ryan Ware wrote: > Tell your friend to download a decent Windows anti-virus.? I recommend NOD32 > from Eset.? It has a trial.? Run a scan, if it comes up clean your friend > can have peace of mind, if it doesn't come up clean there is a good chance > that NOD will be able to get rid of the crap anyway. > > You friend should obviously encourage the employer to spend a few bucks on > anti viurs. > > > > > On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Clug wrote: > This is getting more into philosophy and ethics than Linux, but > I'm always up for a discussion. > > Yes, in in ideal world we'd all do what's right. I will also not > that I /did/ specify this is "guerilla support" so I am > obviously aware of this not being an ideal situation. > > In an ideal world, the EMPLOYER would have done the right thing > in the first place - that is, they would have had an > anti-virus/anti-malware tool installed. I should point out this > is a fairly small operation and there is only ONE computer there > (which made ME feel a lot better) - this is the machine used by > my friend. > > This is also the machine that the employer expects my friend - a > very, very non-technical person - to be 100% responsible for. My > friend is skilled with MS Office, but they are expected to do > everything from install software to debugging printer failures. > My friend has to run backups onto their own PERSONAL DRIVES > because if any data gets lost or corrupetd THEY ARE THE ONE > BLAMED. > > A printer failure is what caused this mess in the first place. > My friend tells the boss the (6+ year old inkjet) printer is > broken and that they need to get a new one and/or pay someone to > come look at it. Boss says no, and my friend still gets in > trouble for not printing stuff out. So my friend who is, again, > very non-technical, finds what they THINK is an HP support site > and runs the diagnostic utility they are told will let HP access > the computer... etc, etc. > > And yes, in an ideal world my friend could also quit the hell > out of that job and get a better one, but... > > > > On Thu, 21 May 2015, Ryan Ware wrote: > > The right thing to do would be to tell the employer > so they can fix the > machine properly and be aware that they may have a > malware infested machine > that may be doing bad things on their network and to > other machines.? To do > otherwise is irresponsible.? The employer may be > much more dissatisfied with > the employee if things drag on and the problem > migrates to other computers > in the organization. > > On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Doug Reed > wrote: > ? ? ? I have nothing useful to add regarding a Linux > boot disk image > ? ? ? to run > ? ? ? malware tools on a Windows box. I always > question how recent the > ? ? ? tools > ? ? ? are and how well they are geared to finding > problems on Windows > ? ? ? rather > ? ? ? than Linux. > > ? ? ? I think you already gave the best suggestion, > install portable > ? ? ? versions of as many Windows AV tools as you > can find on a USB > ? ? ? stick. > ? ? ? As Marc said, plan to use multiple tools and > run each one at > ? ? ? least one > ? ? ? more time after it finds no errors, rebooting > between each > ? ? ? test..... > ? ? ? My old routine was to use anti-virus followed > by Ad-Aware and > ? ? ? Spybot > ? ? ? Search & Destroy because each one found > different things. And > ? ? ? the > ? ? ? reboot often brought them back. I'm now using > Malware Bytes in > ? ? ? addition to Spybot S&D and MS Security > Essentials. For > ? ? ? anti-virus I > ? ? ? tend to switch between AVG and whatever else > is free. I don't > ? ? ? let > ? ? ? Norton near any of my machines. > > ? ? ? If you want the last bit of safety, then try > building a Windows > ? ? ? boot > ? ? ? CD or DVD as Andrew suggested and use it with > the USB stick. I > ? ? ? may try > ? ? ? BartPE myself.... The boot disk prevents the > contaminated system > ? ? ? from > ? ? ? executing and the USB stick is easy to update > with the latest > ? ? ? and > ? ? ? greatest. That is my two cents and worth every > penny you paid. > ? ? ? :-) > > ? ? ? Good luck with whatever you do. > > ? ? ? Doug. > ? ? ? > _______________________________________________ > ? ? ? TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > ? ? ? tclug-list at mn-linux.org > ? ? ? > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > From jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org Fri May 22 11:23:34 2015 From: jkey at tomobiki.dyndns.org (Joseph Key) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 11:23:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Rescue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <555F5806.60002@tomobiki.dyndns.org> Your friend could install Avast I have been getting alerts that says it is free for businesses. On 2015/05/22 9:55 AM, Ryan Ware wrote: > Tell your friend to download a decent Windows anti-virus. I recommend > NOD32 from Eset. It has a trial. Run a scan, if it comes up clean > your friend can have peace of mind, if it doesn't come up clean there > is a good chance that NOD will be able to get rid of the crap anyway. > > You friend should obviously encourage the employer to spend a few > bucks on anti viurs. > > > > > On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Clug > wrote: > > This is getting more into philosophy and ethics than Linux, but > I'm always up for a discussion. > > Yes, in in ideal world we'd all do what's right. I will also not > that I /did/ specify this is "guerilla support" so I am obviously > aware of this not being an ideal situation. > > In an ideal world, the EMPLOYER would have done the right thing in > the first place - that is, they would have had an > anti-virus/anti-malware tool installed. I should point out this is > a fairly small operation and there is only ONE computer there > (which made ME feel a lot better) - this is the machine used by my > friend. > > This is also the machine that the employer expects my friend - a > very, very non-technical person - to be 100% responsible for. My > friend is skilled with MS Office, but they are expected to do > everything from install software to debugging printer failures. My > friend has to run backups onto their own PERSONAL DRIVES because > if any data gets lost or corrupetd THEY ARE THE ONE BLAMED. > > A printer failure is what caused this mess in the first place. My > friend tells the boss the (6+ year old inkjet) printer is broken > and that they need to get a new one and/or pay someone to come > look at it. Boss says no, and my friend still gets in trouble for > not printing stuff out. So my friend who is, again, very > non-technical, finds what they THINK is an HP support site and > runs the diagnostic utility they are told will let HP access the > computer... etc, etc. > > And yes, in an ideal world my friend could also quit the hell out > of that job and get a better one, but... > > > > > On Thu, 21 May 2015, Ryan Ware wrote: > > The right thing to do would be to tell the employer so they > can fix the > machine properly and be aware that they may have a malware > infested machine > that may be doing bad things on their network and to other > machines. To do > otherwise is irresponsible. The employer may be much more > dissatisfied with > the employee if things drag on and the problem migrates to > other computers > in the organization. > > On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Doug Reed > wrote: > I have nothing useful to add regarding a Linux boot disk > image > to run > malware tools on a Windows box. I always question how > recent the > tools > are and how well they are geared to finding problems on > Windows > rather > than Linux. > > I think you already gave the best suggestion, install > portable > versions of as many Windows AV tools as you can find on > a USB > stick. > As Marc said, plan to use multiple tools and run each one at > least one > more time after it finds no errors, rebooting between each > test..... > My old routine was to use anti-virus followed by > Ad-Aware and > Spybot > Search & Destroy because each one found different > things. And > the > reboot often brought them back. I'm now using Malware > Bytes in > addition to Spybot S&D and MS Security Essentials. For > anti-virus I > tend to switch between AVG and whatever else is free. I > don't > let > Norton near any of my machines. > > If you want the last bit of safety, then try building a > Windows > boot > CD or DVD as Andrew suggested and use it with the USB > stick. I > may try > BartPE myself.... The boot disk prevents the > contaminated system > from > executing and the USB stick is easy to update with the > latest > and > greatest. That is my two cents and worth every penny you > paid. > :-) > > Good luck with whatever you do. > > Doug. > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lkateley at kateley.com Fri May 22 11:34:51 2015 From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 11:34:51 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Career Opportunity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <555F5AAB.3080605@kateley.com> Rant...Please delete if you don't like rants..:) I see these best buy job ads all over. They come directly recruiting and ... then .. nothing. I have been recruited to apply like 20 times in the last year or so, and then nothing, not even a "thanks for applying". In the last week I have been recruited 3 times for 3 different jobs... I wonder if there is something weird going on here. I only apply because they are like 3 blocks from my house.. What i have seen is that they recently hired a whole new set of recruiters, but there is something else broken in the process. I think they are all accenture anyways. With that much recruiting you know that there isn't any money there. Completely different rant.. Who has this kind of experience? Serious sysadmin of solaris, linux, hp-ux and aix? I have been around a long time and i rarely meet people you are that rounded. It's easy to pick up hp-ux when you have solaris, linux and aix...I have exposure to all 4 but not deep experience. What will you be doing that requires that? Probably patching. yuck. or worse firmware patching.. Thanks for listening. On 5/21/15 7:09 PM, Tony Yarusso wrote: > Your posting says lots of things you want from the candidate, and > nothing about what's in it for them. You'll get more applicants if > you include the salary range and a list of benefits - pretty basic > requirements for a job posting... > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri May 22 11:43:42 2015 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 11:43:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Career Opportunity In-Reply-To: <555F5AAB.3080605@kateley.com> References: <555F5AAB.3080605@kateley.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 May 2015, Linda Kateley wrote: > Completely different rant.. > > Who has this kind of experience? Serious sysadmin of solaris, linux, hp-ux > and aix? ::raises hand:: Also IRIX, DecUNIX/Tru64 and hell, SCO and MINIX. I've played with UNICOS, too. Hell, lets throw VMS in there. Worked for several places that did big architechture changes, sometimes for good reasons, sometimes because the bosses didn't understand that Solaris and AIX aren't the same thing. Then I worked at a huge huge huge place that just had EVERYthing. I've been around since before Linux (: From kris.browne at gmail.com Fri May 22 11:52:23 2015 From: kris.browne at gmail.com (Kristopher Browne) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 11:52:23 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Career Opportunity In-Reply-To: References: <555F5AAB.3080605@kateley.com> Message-ID: Let me correct that for you: > Also IRIX, DecUNIX/Tru64 and hell (SCO)? > On May 22, 2015, at 11:43, Clug wrote: > > On Fri, 22 May 2015, Linda Kateley wrote: > >> Completely different rant.. >> >> Who has this kind of experience? Serious sysadmin of solaris, linux, hp-ux and aix? > > ::raises hand:: > > Also IRIX, DecUNIX/Tru64 and hell, SCO and MINIX. I've played with UNICOS, too. Hell, lets throw VMS in there. > > Worked for several places that did big architechture changes, sometimes for good reasons, sometimes because the bosses didn't understand that Solaris and AIX aren't the same thing. Then I worked at a huge huge huge place that just had EVERYthing. > > > I've been around since before Linux (: > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From joel.longanecker at gmail.com Fri May 22 11:55:16 2015 From: joel.longanecker at gmail.com (Joel Longanecker) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 11:55:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Career Opportunity In-Reply-To: References: <555F5AAB.3080605@kateley.com> Message-ID: Also, what kind of experience? That's a bit like listing how much experience you have using windows xp. System administration? Development? Network management? I've been using Ubuntu desktop for many years, not really doing anything useful with it. On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Clug wrote: > On Fri, 22 May 2015, Linda Kateley wrote: > > Completely different rant.. >> >> Who has this kind of experience? Serious sysadmin of solaris, linux, >> hp-ux and aix? >> > > ::raises hand:: > > Also IRIX, DecUNIX/Tru64 and hell, SCO and MINIX. I've played with UNICOS, > too. Hell, lets throw VMS in there. > > Worked for several places that did big architechture changes, sometimes > for good reasons, sometimes because the bosses didn't understand that > Solaris and AIX aren't the same thing. Then I worked at a huge huge huge > place that just had EVERYthing. > > > I've been around since before Linux (: > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lkateley at kateley.com Fri May 22 11:57:13 2015 From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 11:57:13 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Career Opportunity In-Reply-To: References: <555F5AAB.3080605@kateley.com> Message-ID: <555F5FE9.6050805@kateley.com> Yea, and then they won't hire you because you are too old :) Also, you can't tell me that if you sat down at a sco box today you would remember exactly what and how? I remember sitting in front a sco box, but I couldn't admin one as a senior admin. sorry for the rant. On 5/22/15 11:43 AM, Clug wrote: > On Fri, 22 May 2015, Linda Kateley wrote: > >> Completely different rant.. >> >> Who has this kind of experience? Serious sysadmin of solaris, linux, >> hp-ux and aix? > > ::raises hand:: > > Also IRIX, DecUNIX/Tru64 and hell, SCO and MINIX. I've played with > UNICOS, too. Hell, lets throw VMS in there. > > Worked for several places that did big architechture changes, > sometimes for good reasons, sometimes because the bosses didn't > understand that Solaris and AIX aren't the same thing. Then I worked > at a huge huge huge place that just had EVERYthing. > > > I've been around since before Linux (: > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri May 22 14:08:45 2015 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 14:08:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Career Opportunity In-Reply-To: <555F5FE9.6050805@kateley.com> References: <555F5AAB.3080605@kateley.com> <555F5FE9.6050805@kateley.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 May 2015, Linda Kateley wrote: > Yea, and then they won't hire you because you are too old :) *laughs* good thing I'm trying to get out of IT! (; > Also, you can't tell me that if you sat down at a sco box today you would > remember exactly what and how? I remember sitting in front a sco box, but I > couldn't admin one as a senior admin. Well, the nice thing is UNIX is UNIX. ls, tar, cp, cpio, all our friends would still be there. You'd have to remember where it hides it's configuration and startup stuff, but once you get that you pretty much vi everything. This /will/ give a scale to when I was playing with SCO last, but I remember it having a garish GUI and referring to it as "UNIX 95". > sorry for the rant. Rant away! Why should I be the only one? (; TCLUG-old-timers-rant-meeting anyone? Anyone? Anyone?... ...anyone?... ::crickets:: ::tumbleweed:: From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri May 22 14:10:14 2015 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 14:10:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Career Opportunity In-Reply-To: References: <555F5AAB.3080605@kateley.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 May 2015, Kristopher Browne wrote: > Let me correct that for you: > >> Also IRIX, DecUNIX/Tru64 and hell (SCO)? Eh. It was Just Another UNIX-Variant back in the '90s. Unless it was during the time they claimed THEY were UNIX and everyone else was a variant? I forget who owned what name when. -- From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Fri May 22 14:19:34 2015 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 14:19:34 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Server motherboards with an m.2 slot Message-ID: Clug writes: On Thu, 21 May 2015, Brian Wood wrote: > > Wow, delayed reaction?... I was thinking about buying something back then, but then thought I should wait a while. >> I think I can install the power converter, motherboard, memory and get >> some of the cables connected.? That leaves the cpu, hard drive and some >> of the cables.? I can probably figure out how to install the cpu and >> hard drive if I have to.? So that leaves a few cables that I think I'd >> need help with. > > I really hope you're not putting a power converter in there. I think you know what I mean. A "power supply" is a power converter. Jorgen Grahn, a C++ programmer, says, "more direct wording is better; it helps you think." > Comptuers are pretty much lego. Just make sure you plug BOTH the power > connectors from the PSU into the motherboard, and make sure the SPU fan is > plugged in before you turn the thing on to test it. I left the 4-pin off > one time, not knowing that's what powers the fans, and that CPU was dead > in SECONDS. Thanks, that's a good to know! I also know to use the offset screws for the motherboard or that can fry the motherboard. I almost learned that the hard way. > > Nope. A SATA connector is a SATA connector whether it's an HHD or SSD. > > Now if you mean a 3.5" disk rather than a 2.5" disk (which most SSDs are) > then you MIGHT need a bracket. Most computer cases nowadays will have the > correct screw holes for 2.5", though. Either way, the bracket doesn't make > it more complicates, really. You just screw the drive to the bracket > first. > > A spinny disk will still be a HELL of a lot cheaper than an SSD, though. I read that HDDs are 5 to 10 cents/Gig and SSDs are 45 cents/Gig. It may be more than that for a server class SSD. Still think it's worth it for the speed and lower energy use. My goal is to provide a good service and think SSDs help me get there. Hybrids might be helpful also. >> > A PSU is the ONE component you NEVER want to cheap-out on. > > You didn't comment on this but it's importantrnough that I'm just quoting > myself. What components did you use for your new system if you don't mind my asking? I haven't really decided how much to spend yet. Am thinking of getting mostly server grade components. -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - "Free at last; free at last; thank G-d Almighty we are free at last." MLK Jr. http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The good ole days.. j From jus at krytosvirus.com Fri May 22 14:22:19 2015 From: jus at krytosvirus.com (Justin Krejci) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 14:22:19 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Career Opportunity Message-ID: Unplumb the network anyone?? -------- Original message -------- From: Clug Date: 05/22/2015 2:08 PM (GMT-06:00) To: TCLUG Subject: Re: [tclug-list] OT: Career Opportunity On Fri, 22 May 2015, Linda Kateley wrote: > Yea, and then they won't hire you because you are too old :) *laughs* good thing I'm trying to get out of IT! (; > Also, you can't tell me that if you sat down at a sco box today you would > remember exactly what and how? I remember sitting in front a sco box, but I > couldn't admin one as a senior admin. Well, the nice thing is UNIX is UNIX. ls, tar, cp, cpio, all our friends would still be there. You'd have to remember where it hides it's configuration and startup stuff, but once you get that you pretty much vi everything. This /will/ give a scale to when I was playing with SCO last, but I remember it having a garish GUI and referring to it as "UNIX 95". > sorry for the rant. Rant away! Why should I be the only one? (; TCLUG-old-timers-rant-meeting anyone? Anyone? Anyone?... ...anyone?... ::crickets:: ::tumbleweed:: _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lkateley at kateley.com Fri May 22 14:29:54 2015 From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 14:29:54 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Career Opportunity In-Reply-To: References: <555F5AAB.3080605@kateley.com> <555F5FE9.6050805@kateley.com> Message-ID: <555F83B2.2000709@kateley.com> On 5/22/15 2:08 PM, Clug wrote: > > On Fri, 22 May 2015, Linda Kateley wrote: > >> Yea, and then they won't hire you because you are too old :) > > *laughs* good thing I'm trying to get out of IT! (; > > >> Also, you can't tell me that if you sat down at a sco box today you >> would remember exactly what and how? I remember sitting in front a >> sco box, but I couldn't admin one as a senior admin. > > Well, the nice thing is UNIX is UNIX. ls, tar, cp, cpio, all our > friends would still be there. You'd have to remember where it hides > it's configuration and startup stuff, but once you get that you pretty > much vi everything. > > This /will/ give a scale to when I was playing with SCO last, but I > remember it having a garish GUI and referring to it as "UNIX 95". > > >> sorry for the rant. > > > Rant away! Why should I be the only one? (; > > TCLUG-old-timers-rant-meeting anyone? > > Anyone? I'm in! > > Anyone?... > > > > ...anyone?... > > > > ::crickets:: > > > ::tumbleweed:: > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Linda Kateley Kateley Company Skype ID-kateleyco http://kateleyco.com From lkateley at kateley.com Fri May 22 14:31:03 2015 From: lkateley at kateley.com (Linda Kateley) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 14:31:03 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Career Opportunity In-Reply-To: <870a2b1cdac3d8618fb775ecccd55896.squirrel@mail.jfoo.org> References: <555F5AAB.3080605@kateley.com> <870a2b1cdac3d8618fb775ecccd55896.squirrel@mail.jfoo.org> Message-ID: <555F83F7.80706@kateley.com> On 5/22/15 2:17 PM, John Gateley wrote: >> On Fri, 22 May 2015, Kristopher Browne wrote: >> >>> Let me correct that for you: >>> >>>> Also IRIX, DecUNIX/Tru64 and hell (SCO)??? >> Eh. It was Just Another UNIX-Variant back in the '90s. Unless it was >> during the time they claimed THEY were UNIX and everyone else was a >> variant? I forget who owned what name when. > SCO bought UnixWare from Novell in 95. UnixWare was in some sense > the direct descendant from Unix System Laboratories. At that point > they began claiming they owned the name (and if I remember right, > Novell came back and said something like "sorry, we sold you > everything EXCEPT the rights to the name Unix"). Yea, didn't they sue everyone too? > > The good ole days.. > > j > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -- Linda Kateley Kateley Company Skype ID-kateleyco http://kateleyco.com From nassarmu at gmail.com Fri May 22 14:31:26 2015 From: nassarmu at gmail.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 14:31:26 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Career Opportunity In-Reply-To: <870a2b1cdac3d8618fb775ecccd55896.squirrel@mail.jfoo.org> References: <555F5AAB.3080605@kateley.com> <870a2b1cdac3d8618fb775ecccd55896.squirrel@mail.jfoo.org> Message-ID: On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 2:17 PM, John Gateley wrote: > SCO bought UnixWare from Novell in 95. UnixWare was in some sense > the direct descendant from Unix System Laboratories. At that point > they began claiming they owned the name (and if I remember right, > Novell came back and said something like "sorry, we sold you > everything EXCEPT the rights to the name Unix"). And before that SCO bought a different Unix variant(Xenix) from Micro-Soft. From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri May 22 14:47:03 2015 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 14:47:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Server motherboards with an m.2 slot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 22 May 2015, Brian Wood wrote: > I think you know what I mean.? A "power supply" is a power > converter.?? Jorgen Grahn, a C++ programmer, says, "more direct > wording is better; it helps you think." Yeah, but calling a component by ONE of it's functions rather than by what it's actually called is hardly direct. To wit, if you walk into Microcenter and ask "Where are your power converters?" you will have a nice walk to the opposite side of the store than what you actually need. > What components did you use for your new system if you > don't mind my asking?? I haven't really decided how much > to spend yet.? Am thinking of getting mostly server grade > components. This is an EXTREMELY low-end server; none of these components are server-grade: - NZXT Source 210 Computer Case Black - ASUS Micro ATX DDR3 2000 AMD AM3+ Motherboard M5A78L-M/USB3 - Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2x8GB) Desktop Memory (CMZ16GX3M2A1600C10) - WD Green 1TB Desktop Hard Drive (WD10EZRX) - AMD FD6300WMHKBOX FX-6300 6-Core Processor Black Edition - Power Supply SS-400ES Bronze 80+ ATX 400W/PFC/+12Vx2/SATAx4/PCIE The PSU is a Seasonic, which is a company I do trust, but it's a very low-end one, is COMPLETELY non-modular and I suspect might be refurbished. I highly recommend AGAINST it; I believe it is the weakest link in this whole thing but I was on an extreme budget. This totals slightly less than $450, but if it were up to me I'd toss another $100 on the PSU alone. Like I said, low-end, but currently running a bunch of Apache instances, a DNS server, postfix+dovecot+spamassassin and sadly I had to hook my small array to it for backups since the other systems on the same network can't handle ZFS so it's also got backups running to it. -- From tclug at freakzilla.com Fri May 22 14:50:20 2015 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug) Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 14:50:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG "Get Off My Lawn" Rant Fest (was: Re: OT: Career Opportunity) In-Reply-To: <555F83B2.2000709@kateley.com> References: <555F5AAB.3080605@kateley.com> <555F5FE9.6050805@kateley.com> <555F83B2.2000709@kateley.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 22 May 2015, Linda Kateley wrote: >> TCLUG-old-timers-rant-meeting anyone? >> Anyone? > I'm in! Awesome! Should we now do the thing where we ignore this completely, or actually try and set something up? (; Anyone have any venue ideas that aren't, you know, a bar? -- From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Sat May 23 14:40:46 2015 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Sat, 23 May 2015 14:40:46 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG "Get Off My Lawn" Rant Fest Message-ID: Clug writes: > On Fri, 22 May 2015, Linda Kateley wrote: > >> I'm in! > > Awesome! Should we now do the thing where we ignore this completely, or > actually try and set something up? (; > > Anyone have any venue ideas that aren't, you know, a bar? > I've only been to this place a few times and not recently, but it seems OK: http://jarthurscoffee.com I could bring a laptop and give a short demo of my stuff. -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(; > > Anyone have any venue ideas that aren't, you know, a bar? > I've only been to this place a few times and not recently, but it seems OK: http://jarthurscoffee.com I could bring a laptop and give a short demo of my stuff. -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevetrapp at comcast.net Sun May 24 11:13:16 2015 From: stevetrapp at comcast.net (Steve Trapp) Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 11:13:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] OT: Career Opportunity In-Reply-To: <870a2b1cdac3d8618fb775ecccd55896.squirrel@mail.jfoo.org> References: <555F5AAB.3080605@kateley.com> <870a2b1cdac3d8618fb775ecccd55896.squirrel@mail.jfoo.org> Message-ID: <20150524111316.3d8213f2@falcon.cavelan.local> On Fri, 22 May 2015 14:17:43 -0500, "John Gateley" wrote: > > Eh. It was Just Another UNIX-Variant back in the '90s. Unless it was > > during the time they claimed THEY were UNIX and everyone else was a > > variant? I forget who owned what name when. > > SCO bought UnixWare from Novell in 95. UnixWare was in some sense > the direct descendant from Unix System Laboratories. At that point > they began claiming they owned the name (and if I remember right, > Novell came back and said something like "sorry, we sold you > everything EXCEPT the rights to the name Unix"). > I started somewhere around then to use the term Un_x because I couldn't remember which entity it was a registered (or unregistered) trademark for!! From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com Sun May 24 16:38:40 2015 From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars) Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 16:38:40 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG "Get Off My Lawn" Rant Fest In-Reply-To: References: <555F5AAB.3080605@kateley.com> <555F5FE9.6050805@kateley.com> <555F83B2.2000709@kateley.com> Message-ID: <556244E0.9050209@gmail.com> On 5/22/2015 2:50 PM, Clug wrote: > On Fri, 22 May 2015, Linda Kateley wrote: > > >>> TCLUG-old-timers-rant-meeting anyone? >>> Anyone? >> I'm in! > > Awesome! Should we now do the thing where we ignore this completely, or > actually try and set something up? (; > > Anyone have any venue ideas that aren't, you know, a bar? http://psychosuzis.com/ is one of my fav's. Good food & drink. I can bring some TSR-80 manuals & a BASIC manual for Commodore64. From tclug at freakzilla.com Sun May 24 17:15:16 2015 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug) Date: Sun, 24 May 2015 17:15:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG "Get Off My Lawn" Rant Fest In-Reply-To: <556244E0.9050209@gmail.com> References: <555F5AAB.3080605@kateley.com> <555F5FE9.6050805@kateley.com> <555F83B2.2000709@kateley.com> <556244E0.9050209@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 24 May 2015, B-o-B De Mars wrote: >> Anyone have any venue ideas that aren't, you know, a bar? > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > http://psychosuzis.com/ is one of my fav's. That's more of a bar than most bars are! -- From tlunde at gmail.com Mon May 25 07:08:52 2015 From: tlunde at gmail.com (Thomas Lunde) Date: Mon, 25 May 2015 14:08:52 +0200 Subject: [tclug-list] TCLUG "Get Off My Lawn" Rant Fest In-Reply-To: References: <555F5AAB.3080605@kateley.com> <555F5FE9.6050805@kateley.com> <555F83B2.2000709@kateley.com> <556244E0.9050209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <556310da.c8056b0a.e9a9.7884@mx.google.com> +1 for Suzi's -----Original Message----- From: "Clug" Sent: ?5/?25/?2015 12:15 AM To: "TCLUG" Subject: Re: [tclug-list] TCLUG "Get Off My Lawn" Rant Fest On Sun, 24 May 2015, B-o-B De Mars wrote: >> Anyone have any venue ideas that aren't, you know, a bar? > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > http://psychosuzis.com/ is one of my fav's. 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URL: From marc at e-skinner.net Tue May 26 09:40:38 2015 From: marc at e-skinner.net (Marc Skinner) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 09:40:38 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] For Sale: HP Proliant 360-G3 Message-ID: <556485E6.6070104@e-skinner.net> I have 2 old HP Proliant G3-360 servers with 6gb of ram and dual 74gb scsi drives. Dual nic + Ilo. They are 32bit only. I have been using them for RHEL 5 XEN servers. Looking for $40 a piece. Ebay is selling them for $60ish. Let me know if you are interested. From kelly.black at penguinpackets.com Tue May 26 09:44:58 2015 From: kelly.black at penguinpackets.com (kelly) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 09:44:58 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Scanner setup References: Message-ID: <556486EA-0008DA1D@penguinpackets.com> Did you jiggle the cable :-) http://bishont.com/index.php?entry=entry131106-162219 (Excerpt from the blog): If you're trying to install a Brother MFC scanner in Linux, and are having issues getting xsane to recognize your scanner, try running /usr/local/Brother/sane/setupSaneScan2 -i at the command line. This makes sure that the driver/scanner is being recognized by sane Not sure if you tried that or not, but thought I would offer it up. Kelly > Tue May 26 2015 09:34:49 AM CDT from "o1bigtenor" >Subject: [tclug-list] Scanner setup > > Greetings > > > > I'm hoping that someone out there has achieved success and can point me to >some pointers! > > > > I bought a Brother MFC-J6510DW largely because it can scan 11 x 17 inch >documents (I have too many like that that I would like to get into electronic >format!!). > > > > I can see the machine as a printer but cannot get the machine to scan a >page. I have installed XSane 1.0.24 backend and XSane1.0.14 frontend. Tried >running the ethernet cable through the router (a la network usage) and can't >get anything useful to occu. I have also tried running the ethernet cable >directly into my main machine (Debian testing) with also no joy. Have also >contacted Brother support and although their website and the stickers on the >machine laud their online chat and telephone support for linux its email >support (if they can be bothered! (they are taking a very long time to >respond!!)). > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > TIA > > > > Dee > > > > (, 0 bytes) [View| Download] > ? > > > > > > ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nassarmu at gmail.com Tue May 26 09:51:58 2015 From: nassarmu at gmail.com (Munir Nassar) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 09:51:58 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Scanner setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So, none of the Brother scanners on http://www.sane-project.org/sane-backends.html are listed as supported. On the other hand, i have a Brother ADS-1000w and it worked(mostly) once i installed the sane backends that Brother provides. Did you install the brscan utilities/sane backends for your scanner from http://support.brother.com/g/b/countrytop.aspx?c=us&lang=en? On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 9:34 AM, o1bigtenor wrote: > Greetings > > I'm hoping that someone out there has achieved success and can point me to > some pointers! > > I bought a Brother MFC-J6510DW largely because it can scan 11 x 17 inch > documents (I have too many like that that I would like to get into > electronic format!!). > > I can see the machine as a printer but cannot get the machine to scan a > page. I have installed XSane 1.0.24 backend and XSane1.0.14 frontend. Tried > running the ethernet cable through the router (a la network usage) and can't > get anything useful to occu. I have also tried running the ethernet cable > directly into my main machine (Debian testing) with also no joy. Have also > contacted Brother support and although their website and the stickers on the > machine laud their online chat and telephone support for linux its email > support (if they can be bothered! (they are taking a very long time to > respond!!)). > > Any suggestions? > > TIA > > Dee > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From j at packetgod.com Tue May 26 10:40:00 2015 From: j at packetgod.com (J Cruit) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 10:40:00 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No Responses yet? I'm not an Asterisk expert but I have set it up a number of times for home use, and long ago I did some Cisco and Shortel large corporate configurations. So honestly I'm less helpful than google at this point but I can say that if you can do Linux you can do Asterisk. There is also the FreePBX framework which integrates with Asterisk and can act as a full GUI (if you are into that sort of thing). There is even a full ISO download of a FreePBX/Asterisk distro pre-built and ready to go. So unless we are talking about a call center or fairly complex call routing it's no big deal and I recommend diving right into it. On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Clug wrote: > Is anyone here an Asterisk expert? I can install it but telephony is WAY > out of my area... > > -- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tclug at freakzilla.com Tue May 26 11:07:02 2015 From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 11:07:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [tclug-list] Asterisk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I actually have a FreeBPX install running on a VM right now. My thing is I don't know most the terms used in telephony so I have no idea what they do, and there are a LOT of terms... I did google a bunch of stuff but it's one of those "I followed the instructions and it still doesn't work" things. Also I kinda am talking about setting up something a lot more complex than a home system (: Not exactly call-center but Small Office kinda stuff (so yes, call routing, many extensions, IVR, virtual phones, etc). On Tue, 26 May 2015, J Cruit wrote: > No Responses yet?? I'm not an Asterisk expert but I have set it up a number > of times for home use, and long ago I did some Cisco and Shortel large > corporate configurations.? So honestly I'm less helpful than google at this > point but I can say that if you can do Linux you can do Asterisk.? There is > also the FreePBX framework which integrates with Asterisk and can act as a > full GUI (if you are into that sort of thing).? There is even a full ISO > download of a FreePBX/Asterisk distro pre-built and ready to go. ? > So unless we are talking about a call center or fairly complex call routing > it's no big deal and I recommend diving right into it. ? > > On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Clug wrote: > Is anyone here an Asterisk expert? I can install it but > telephony is WAY out of my area... > > -- > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > From o1bigtenor at gmail.com Tue May 26 11:34:06 2015 From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 11:34:06 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Scanner setup In-Reply-To: <556486EA-0008DA1D@penguinpackets.com> References: <556486EA-0008DA1D@penguinpackets.com> Message-ID: no such folder! went to /usr/local and what I can find are 4 libsane libraries, not sure where else to poke!! Thanks for the ideas! Dee On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 9:44 AM, kelly wrote: > Did you jiggle the cable :-) > > http://bishont.com/index.php?entry=entry131106-162219 > > (Excerpt from the blog): > If you're trying to install a Brother MFC scanner in Linux, and are having > issues getting xsane to recognize your scanner, try running > /usr/local/Brother/sane/setupSaneScan2 -i at the command line. This makes > sure that the driver/scanner is being recognized by sane > > Not sure if you tried that or not, but thought I would offer it up. > > Kelly > > Tue May 26 2015 09:34:49 AM CDT from "o1bigtenor" Subject: > [tclug-list] Scanner setup > Greetings > > I'm hoping that someone out there has achieved success and can point me to > some pointers! > > I bought a Brother MFC-J6510DW largely because it can scan 11 x 17 inch > documents (I have too many like that that I would like to get into > electronic format!!). > > I can see the machine as a printer but cannot get the machine to scan a > page. 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URL: From o1bigtenor at gmail.com Tue May 26 11:37:18 2015 From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 11:37:18 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Scanner setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Munir Nassar wrote: > So, none of the Brother scanners on > http://www.sane-project.org/sane-backends.html are listed as > supported. On the other hand, i have a Brother ADS-1000w and it > worked(mostly) once i installed the sane backends that Brother > provides. > > Did you install the brscan utilities/sane backends for your scanner > from http://support.brother.com/g/b/countrytop.aspx?c=us&lang=en? > Have both brscan4-0.4.2-1 and brscan-skey-0.2.4-1 installed. It is interesting when the website indicates that one can run their products on linux - - - - hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm - - whatever that means! Dee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bgilbertson at rrt.net Tue May 26 12:33:36 2015 From: bgilbertson at rrt.net (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 12:33:36 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Scanner setup Message-ID: <5564ae70.7ced.995bfb70.5cae77ab@rrt.net> Dee, I have a Brother MFC-J625DW working, both scan and print, over the network, it uses the same brscan4 driver as yours. I had difficulty getting the scanner part working initially also, print worked fine. If I recall from doing it a few months ago, after installing the driver I had to open /etc/sane.d/dll.conf and make sure the net was enabled and add 'brother4' to the end of the scanner list. HTH, Bob On Tuesday 26/05/2015 at 9:35 am, o1bigtenor wrote: > > > > > > > > Greetings > > I'm hoping that someone out there has achieved success and can point > me to some pointers! > > I bought a Brother MFC-J6510DW largely because it can scan 11 x 17 > inch documents (I have too many like that that I would like to get > into electronic format!!). > > I can see the machine as a printer but cannot get the machine to scan > a page. I have installed XSane 1.0.24 backend and XSane1.0.14 > frontend. Tried running the ethernet cable through the router (a la > network usage) and can't get anything useful to occu. I have also > tried running the ethernet cable directly into my main machine (Debian > testing) with also no joy. Have also contacted Brother support and > although their website and the stickers on the machine laud their > online chat and telephone support for linux its email support (if they > can be bothered! (they are taking a very long time to respond!!)). > > Any suggestions? > > TIA > > Dee > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o1bigtenor at gmail.com Tue May 26 15:36:16 2015 From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 15:36:16 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Scanner setup In-Reply-To: <5564ae70.7ced.995bfb70.5cae77ab@rrt.net> References: <5564ae70.7ced.995bfb70.5cae77ab@rrt.net> Message-ID: On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Bob Gilbertson wrote: > Dee, > > I have a Brother MFC-J625DW working, both scan and print, over the > network, it uses the same brscan4 driver as yours. > I had difficulty getting the scanner part working initially also, print > worked fine. > If I recall from doing it a few months ago, after installing the driver I > had to open /etc/sane.d/dll.conf and make sure the net was enabled and add > 'brother4' to the end of the scanner list. > > Thank you - - - this is the mostest (sic) that anyone has gotten! Opened the file you mentioned: first item is 'net' and 'brother4' was at the end of the list. Now how do I get it to do something? 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If I recall from doing it a few months ago, after installing the driver I had to open /etc/sane.d/dll.conf and make sure the net was enabled and add 'brother4' to the end of the scanner list. Thank you - - - this is the mostest (sic) that anyone has gotten! Opened the file you mentioned: first item is 'net' and 'brother4' was at the end of the list. Now how do I get it to do something? Dee Plug it in? :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kellywilliams81 at gmail.com Tue May 26 16:43:55 2015 From: kellywilliams81 at gmail.com (Kelly Williams) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 16:43:55 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Scanner setup In-Reply-To: <442210F0EC0D47BBB366136C75126B2F@D830B> References: <5564ae70.7ced.995bfb70.5cae77ab@rrt.net> <442210F0EC0D47BBB366136C75126B2F@D830B> Message-ID: Brother products and Linux don't work well together. Thats from my experience... On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto: > tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] *On Behalf Of *o1bigtenor > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:36 PM > *To:* TCLUG Mailing List > *Subject:* Re: [tclug-list] Scanner setup > > > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Bob Gilbertson > wrote: > >> Dee, >> >> I have a Brother MFC-J625DW working, both scan and print, over the >> network, it uses the same brscan4 driver as yours. >> I had difficulty getting the scanner part working initially also, print >> worked fine. >> If I recall from doing it a few months ago, after installing the driver I >> had to open /etc/sane.d/dll.conf and make sure the net was enabled and add >> 'brother4' to the end of the scanner list. >> >> Thank you - - - this is the mostest (sic) that anyone has gotten! > > Opened the file you mentioned: > first item is 'net' and 'brother4' was at the end of the list. > > Now how do I get it to do something? > > Dee > > Plug it in? :-) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kellywilliams81 at gmail.com Tue May 26 16:45:59 2015 From: kellywilliams81 at gmail.com (Kelly Williams) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 16:45:59 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Scanner setup In-Reply-To: References: <5564ae70.7ced.995bfb70.5cae77ab@rrt.net> <442210F0EC0D47BBB366136C75126B2F@D830B> Message-ID: http://askubuntu.com/questions/592126/cant-use-brother-mfc-j625dw-scanner-as-normal-user On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Kelly Williams wrote: > Brother products and Linux don't work well together. Thats from my > experience... > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: > >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto: >> tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] *On Behalf Of *o1bigtenor >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:36 PM >> *To:* TCLUG Mailing List >> *Subject:* Re: [tclug-list] Scanner setup >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Bob Gilbertson >> wrote: >> >>> Dee, >>> >>> I have a Brother MFC-J625DW working, both scan and print, over the >>> network, it uses the same brscan4 driver as yours. >>> I had difficulty getting the scanner part working initially also, print >>> worked fine. >>> If I recall from doing it a few months ago, after installing the driver >>> I had to open /etc/sane.d/dll.conf and make sure the net was enabled and >>> add 'brother4' to the end of the scanner list. >>> >>> Thank you - - - this is the mostest (sic) that anyone has gotten! >> >> Opened the file you mentioned: >> first item is 'net' and 'brother4' was at the end of the list. >> >> Now how do I get it to do something? >> >> Dee >> >> Plug it in? :-) >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o1bigtenor at gmail.com Tue May 26 17:39:33 2015 From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 17:39:33 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Scanner setup In-Reply-To: References: <5564ae70.7ced.995bfb70.5cae77ab@rrt.net> <442210F0EC0D47BBB366136C75126B2F@D830B> Message-ID: Starting to think that Brother doesn't really understand linux although they talk about supporting it. (Talking about support being the most obvious activity to date - - - they have a very small number of people for linux support and the response times are huge!) Dee On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Kelly Williams wrote: > Brother products and Linux don't work well together. Thats from my > experience... > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: > >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto: >> tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] *On Behalf Of *o1bigtenor >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:36 PM >> *To:* TCLUG Mailing List >> *Subject:* Re: [tclug-list] Scanner setup >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Bob Gilbertson >> wrote: >> >>> Dee, >>> >>> I have a Brother MFC-J625DW working, both scan and print, over the >>> network, it uses the same brscan4 driver as yours. >>> I had difficulty getting the scanner part working initially also, print >>> worked fine. >>> If I recall from doing it a few months ago, after installing the driver >>> I had to open /etc/sane.d/dll.conf and make sure the net was enabled and >>> add 'brother4' to the end of the scanner list. >>> >>> Thank you - - - this is the mostest (sic) that anyone has gotten! >> >> Opened the file you mentioned: >> first item is 'net' and 'brother4' was at the end of the list. >> >> Now how do I get it to do something? >> >> Dee >> >> Plug it in? :-) >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o1bigtenor at gmail.com Tue May 26 17:41:58 2015 From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor) Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 17:41:58 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Scanner setup In-Reply-To: References: <5564ae70.7ced.995bfb70.5cae77ab@rrt.net> <442210F0EC0D47BBB366136C75126B2F@D830B> Message-ID: The url provided does not provide any kind of answer. The problem is left at holding. (Then there are the differences between Ubuntu and Debian which seem to be increasing steadily (sorry to say).) Dee On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:45 PM, Kelly Williams wrote: > > http://askubuntu.com/questions/592126/cant-use-brother-mfc-j625dw-scanner-as-normal-user > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Kelly Williams > wrote: > >> Brother products and Linux don't work well together. Thats from my >> experience... >> >> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto: >>> tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] *On Behalf Of *o1bigtenor >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 3:36 PM >>> *To:* TCLUG Mailing List >>> *Subject:* Re: [tclug-list] Scanner setup >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Bob Gilbertson >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Dee, >>>> >>>> I have a Brother MFC-J625DW working, both scan and print, over the >>>> network, it uses the same brscan4 driver as yours. >>>> I had difficulty getting the scanner part working initially also, print >>>> worked fine. >>>> If I recall from doing it a few months ago, after installing the driver >>>> I had to open /etc/sane.d/dll.conf and make sure the net was enabled and >>>> add 'brother4' to the end of the scanner list. >>>> >>>> Thank you - - - this is the mostest (sic) that anyone has gotten! >>> >>> Opened the file you mentioned: >>> first item is 'net' and 'brother4' was at the end of the list. >>> >>> Now how do I get it to do something? >>> >>> Dee >>> >>> Plug it in? :-) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Only 8.5 x 17 or legal size which is 8.5 > x 14 > > The scanning platen is only 8.5 x 17, and that is also the maximum paper > handling size. > > > Chuck > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto: > tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] *On Behalf Of *o1bigtenor > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2015 9:35 AM > *To:* TCLUG Mailing List > *Subject:* [tclug-list] Scanner setup > > > I bought a Brother MFC-J6510DW largely because it can scan 11 x 17 inch > documents (I have too many like that that I would like to get into > electronic format!!). > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cncole at earthlink.net Wed May 27 01:18:04 2015 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 01:18:04 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Scanner setup SPEC problem? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0DF7A1549803467984B6C890464FF840@D830B> Oops.. sorry! I'm not sure what happened, but my search somehow jumped to a different model. The spec I quoted is for the MFCJ625DW You are correct it is truly 11x17 per its spec _____ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of o1bigtenor Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 7:51 PM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Scanner setup SPEC problem? I'm not sure what specs you are reading but the glass is actually 44 x 31 cm which is larger than 11 x 17 inches! Dee On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: Just looked up the specs for this scanner/printer This cannot scan 11x17 inches !! Only 8.5 x 17 or legal size which is 8.5 x 14 The scanning platen is only 8.5 x 17, and that is also the maximum paper handling size. Chuck _____ From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org] On Behalf Of o1bigtenor Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 9:35 AM To: TCLUG Mailing List Subject: [tclug-list] Scanner setup I bought a Brother MFC-J6510DW largely because it can scan 11 x 17 inch documents (I have too many like that that I would like to get into electronic format!!). _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tclug-list at mn-linux.org http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bgilbertson at rrt.net Wed May 27 07:44:24 2015 From: bgilbertson at rrt.net (Bob Gilbertson) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 07:44:24 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Scanner setup Message-ID: <5565bc28.7ced.ad951b70.29ae75cd@rrt.net> I should have taken notes :-( I was just happy to get it going. I did find these together in the history file: brsaneconfig4 brsaneconfig4 -a name=MFC-J625DW model=MFC-J625DW ip=10.0.0.252 brsaneconfig4 -q | grep MFC I also see some files timestamped near the same date & time I got it going in /etc/shorewall, but I don't remember if I had to open a port. I do have 54925/udp and 54921/tcp open. http://support.brother.com/g/s/id/linux/en/faq_scn.html?c=us_ot&lang=en&comple=on&redirect=on Regards, Bob On Tuesday 26/05/2015 at 3:36 pm, o1bigtenor wrote: > > > > On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Bob Gilbertson > wrote: >> >> >> Dee, >> >> I have a Brother MFC-J625DW working, both scan and print, over the >> network, it uses the same brscan4 driver as yours. >> I had difficulty getting the scanner part working initially also, >> print worked fine. >> If I recall from doing it a few months ago, after installing the >> driver I had to open /etc/sane.d/dll.conf and make sure the net was >> enabled and add 'brother4' to the end of the scanner list. >> > > Thank you - - - this is the mostest (sic) that anyone has gotten! > > > Opened the file you mentioned: > > first item is 'net' and 'brother4' was at the end of the list. > > > Now how do I get it to do something? > > > Dee > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o1bigtenor at gmail.com Wed May 27 10:34:06 2015 From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 10:34:06 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Scanner setup In-Reply-To: <5565bc28.7ced.ad951b70.29ae75cd@rrt.net> References: <5565bc28.7ced.ad951b70.29ae75cd@rrt.net> Message-ID: On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Bob Gilbertson wrote: > I should have taken notes :-( > I was just happy to get it going. > I have also done that a lot. The last few years I have been taking notes (so that I know what I did) and that has made writing out things later much easier! > > I did find these together in the history file: > > brsaneconfig4 > brsaneconfig4 -a name=MFC-J625DW model=MFC-J625DW ip=10.0.0.252 > brsaneconfig4 -q | grep MFC > I have similar ready too. > > I also see some files timestamped near the same date & time I got it going > in /etc/shorewall, but I don't remember if I had to open a port. > I do have 54925/udp and 54921/tcp open. > > http://support.brother.com/g/s/id/linux/en/faq_scn.html?c=us_ot&lang=en&comple=on&redirect=on > This is what I think I need to look into but I should already be using the thing given the quantity of scanning I need to do. Thank you so much for sharing what you could. Your assistance is appreciated!!! Dee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wendell.bell at gmail.com Wed May 27 12:45:53 2015 From: wendell.bell at gmail.com (Wendell Bell) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 17:45:53 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] Scanner setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The moron of this list says: USB??!? On Tue, May 26, 2015, 9:35 AM o1bigtenor wrote: > Greetings > > I'm hoping that someone out there has achieved success and can point me to > some pointers! > > I bought a Brother MFC-J6510DW largely because it can scan 11 x 17 inch > documents (I have too many like that that I would like to get into > electronic format!!). > > I can see the machine as a printer but cannot get the machine to scan a > page. I have installed XSane 1.0.24 backend and XSane1.0.14 frontend. Tried > running the ethernet cable through the router (a la network usage) and > can't get anything useful to occu. I have also tried running the ethernet > cable directly into my main machine (Debian testing) with also no joy. Have > also contacted Brother support and although their website and the stickers > on the machine laud their online chat and telephone support for linux its > email support (if they can be bothered! (they are taking a very long time > to respond!!)). > > Any suggestions? > > TIA > > Dee > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From o1bigtenor at gmail.com Wed May 27 15:11:11 2015 From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 15:11:11 -0500 Subject: [tclug-list] Scanner setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Haven't seen a 50' USB cable lately and had a 50' cat5 cable so that's why that got used. On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Wendell Bell wrote: > The moron of this list says: USB??!? > > On Tue, May 26, 2015, 9:35 AM o1bigtenor wrote: > >> Greetings >> >> I'm hoping that someone out there has achieved success and can point me >> to some pointers! >> >> I bought a Brother MFC-J6510DW largely because it can scan 11 x 17 inch >> documents (I have too many like that that I would like to get into >> electronic format!!). >> >> I can see the machine as a printer but cannot get the machine to scan a >> page. I have installed XSane 1.0.24 backend and XSane1.0.14 frontend. Tried >> running the ethernet cable through the router (a la network usage) and >> can't get anything useful to occu. I have also tried running the ethernet >> cable directly into my main machine (Debian testing) with also no joy. Have >> also contacted Brother support and although their website and the stickers >> on the machine laud their online chat and telephone support for linux its >> email support (if they can be bothered! (they are taking a very long time >> to respond!!)). >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> TIA >> >> Dee >> _______________________________________________ >> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >> tclug-list at mn-linux.org >> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: