I have the impression that zfs is a safer and more reliable system than 
ext4, so maybe I should want zfs, but is it working on Linux?  Is it hard 
to get it installed for use with an external drive?

I guess $0.06/GB-month is a good deal if you have a small amount of data 
to backup.

Mike


On Fri, 4 Sep 2015, Linda Kateley wrote:

> So.. I have to weigh in here.. I don't know if people know i do the classes 
> for freenas, but you can use it as a gui for both formatting drives and 
> replication.. and it's free. and it has time machine..
>
> In my environment I just has a small nas box that i backup to all of my 
> systems including my macs.
>
> I just saw rsync.net will take zfs receives and charge .06 per GB per month 
> for zfs.
>
> linda
>
> On 9/4/15 2:28 PM, Jeff Chapin wrote:
>> The script would take a little tweaking, but it could work.
>> 
>> I, personally, know that I would get lazy at some point and fail to swap 
>> the drives for months on end. I would consider taking one of the drives to 
>> both locations, and getting an initial backup of each location, and then 
>> mirroring that to the other drive -- and then have both locations back up 
>> to both drives. Alternatively, you could backup both drives to the local 
>> drive, and then mirror the two drives(you could do hourly local backups, 
>> and nightly remote copies). Since rsync only transfers the differences, 
>> once you have the initial backup, it's likely that each day's change is 
>> fairly small. If you use the flag to make rsync aware of the hardlinks, you 
>> could presumably replicate a full copy of the day's hourly backups fairly 
>> quickly.
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:mbmiller+l at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     That is really cool!  I'll have to try something like that. I'm
>>     thinking a good strategy is to have two drives, both with all the
>>     same stuff on them, and I'll use them both to backup all my Linux
>>     boxes (home, office, laptops).  I'll just switch between home and
>>     office every week or so. That way if my house burns down or my
>>     office is burglarized, I still have a copy of everything from last
>>     week at the other location.
>>
>>     Does that seem reasonable?  The thing I'm not sure of is how that
>>     strategy would work with the "time machine" concept -- I'd be
>>     using two drives and swapping them weekly.
>>
>>     Mike
>> 
>> 
>>
>>     On Fri, 4 Sep 2015, Jeff Chapin wrote:
>>
>>         Looking at the rsync command you gave, it looks correct -- but
>>         rsync can do
>>         so much more when backing up!
>>
>>         Using the magic of rsync, and the magic of hardlinks, you can
>>         make a full
>>         backup, in incremental time and space. Rsync has, built into
>>         it, the
>>         ability to compare your most recent backup files with existing
>>         backup
>>         files, and if they are they same, use a hard link, and copy
>>         them over if
>>         they differ. This allows you to store just the files that
>>         change -- but it
>>         looks like a full backup every time it runs. This way, you can
>>         keep, say,
>>         hourly backups for the last week -- and recover an
>>         accidentally deleted or
>>         altered file, even after the latest backup has run.
>>
>>         For more details:
>>         https://blog.interlinked.org/tutorials/rsync_time_machine.html
>> 
>> 
>>
>>         On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 8:21 AM, T L <tlunde at gmail.com
>>         <mailto:tlunde at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>             Assuming that you have NOTHING on the drive that you care
>>             about, I would
>>             remove the factory partitioning and create a new GPT table
>>             with parted.
>>
>>             Then, format that as ext4.
>>             On Sep 3, 2015 3:17 PM, "Mike Miller"
>>             <mbmiller+l at gmail.com <mailto:mbmiller%2Bl at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                 How to format?
>>
>>                 I have a couple of Linux boxes that I would like to
>>                 regularly backup to a
>>                 5 TB external drive.  It seems like it would be a good
>>                 idea to format that
>>                 drive with ext4.  Can I just do that with gparted? 
>> The drive comes with
>>                 NTFS format.  Are there any issues I should know about?
>> 
>>
>>                 Which directories to back up?
>>
>>                 What really needs to be backed up?  I guess if the
>>                 system totally failed
>>                 I'd install Linux (Ubuntu) again.  Of course /home is
>>                 needed, but
>>                 /usr/local and /opt often have programs I've installed
>>                 and /etc will have a
>>                 bunch of settings.  I guess /var can have some
>>                 important stuff.  Are
>>                 crontabs stored in /var?
>> 
>>
>>                 Which software to use for backup?
>>
>>                 I guess I want only to have in backup what is on the
>>                 originating drive.
>>                 So if I have deleted a file, I want it to be deleted
>>                 on the backup drive,
>>                 too.  I assume rsync can do this.  Would this be correct?:
>>
>>                 rsync -av --update --delete /home /usr/local /etc /var
>>                 /opt /media/me/back
>> 
>>
>>                 TIA!
>>
>>                 Mike
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>> 
>> 
>>
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