I let my kids play mindcraft but that is it. i do have grand theft auto on an old windows partition that NEVER gets used, but someday we may loosen up on them. i personally would like to play sometimes myself, but it seems like it is hard to communicate with someone when they are playing a game, as opposed to surfing, watching tv, or reading a book; as when you are playing a game it is hard to even look up for a minute to acknowledge the person who is speaking. i would like to think that my kids and myself will someday be able to handle video games, just not yet. On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 6:04 PM, Linda Kateley <lkateley at kateley.com> wrote: > One of my friends is an investor in oculus rift. You can buy the dev kit > for like $300 if i remember right.. > > On 8/23/16 4:52 PM, Sandwhich Eyes wrote: > > oculus rift reminds me of an article i read in mid 2000's about augmented > reality and how they were working on overlays for the various things you > would want to know about something like a building. > > On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Sandwhich Eyes <sandwhicheyes at gmail.com> > wrote: > >> oh, and thank you for your kind words about my parenting and my in site. >> that is uplifting. and true, ayyyyyyy >> >> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:47 PM, Sandwhich Eyes <sandwhicheyes at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> i am a stay at home father. my wife went to Le Cordon Bleu for >>> college. when I had a medical break in my career, she took over and i never >>> looked back. >>> we do have a garden and "we grow our own money" as i have heard said >>> in some random TED Talk. also interested in this TED Talk about microbes: >>> https://www.ted.com/talks/lisa_dyson_a_forgotten_space_age_t >>> echnology_could_change_how_we_grow_food?language=en but have yet to >>> indulge myself. >>> i would like to do something positive for people, to make a >>> difference with my time, not only for me but for others. I used to be a >>> part of Rotary International for years. I like to give. I feel as though >>> with the time on my hands i can do something for me while showing my kids >>> what can be accomplished. should i fall short of this goal, i will have >>> raised my 4 children to be aware that they can do things that make life >>> fair for all people. >>> and to further wander off topic my long term personal goal is to get >>> land and a wind generator made from scratch, then have it make me money >>> with our average 12 mph wind speed. then build more. but that is for me to >>> make money, not to feel good about myself. >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Rick Engebretson <eng at pinenet.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Besides being a good mother, you value learning, community, and even >>>> Linux. Wow, that's a plate full! >>>> >>>> Staying off Linux topic here to avoid expert rebukes, may I suggest >>>> other opportunity in your young family's future. Having mentioned the new >>>> atmospheric CO2 levels can grow plants faster, we also can improve soil >>>> quality with new carbon. Even the oil and coal industry is looking at black >>>> dirt as the only remedy for climate change issues seen related to CO2 >>>> emissions. It is called carbon sequestration. In our experience, we get >>>> phenomenal improvement in gardens with black dirt added. Nothing a little >>>> child loves better than eating a homegrown strawberry. I hope you can enjoy >>>> such creative gifts with your family. >>>> >>>> Seeing creative opportunity in Linux, community, arts, lifestyle, and a >>>> hopeful future sure beats competing for top barking dog status. As SuSE >>>> Linux says after installation, "Have a lot of fun." Life is too damn short. >>>> >>>> Sandwhich Eyes wrote: >>>> >>>>> i have spent many hours reading as much as i can handle from the ideas >>>>> in these responses. i am barely beyond the last point that i has mentioned >>>>> the wireless mesh stuff. i am in research heaven. my overactive brain is >>>>> just loving all the angles that you are offering me to consider! we, 4 kids >>>>> under 8 and me, have a raspberry pi 2 and arduino uno. a small arsenal of >>>>> parts i am accumulating. they get direction in the form of: consider what >>>>> this really is, wood, metal, and plastic make up parts, but what makes it >>>>> do what it is supposed to do and why does it only do that? could it do >>>>> something else. can you put it inside of a different enclosure and have it >>>>> do the same thing, something different? I give them power tools and scrap >>>>> wood (someday when i have more tools i will offer them other materials). >>>>> that gets their brains moving and ideas come forth (got the idea from a TED >>>>> Talk). my 2 year old counts the sockets and nails etc... she can count to >>>>> 26. was 2 in jan. providing opportunities (much like Linux provides >>>>> unlimited options) and directions for them to look, never what they >>>>> "should" see. >>>>> I have so much to tell you all, but i need to spend more time reading >>>>> through this 1 email at a time doing research all the way. I am so excited. >>>>> whether the school provides the kind of things i would like to see or not, >>>>> i am learning so much and my children will be benefiting from this speech >>>>> from the way i am able to understand and get through to them; have to get >>>>> them interested to learn. >>>>> >>>>> Community! so many different people from so many backgrounds with >>>>> varying interests come together with a common interest; and it isn't money! >>>>> Thank you all! (but keep it coming!) >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:04 AM, Rick Engebretson <eng at pinenet.com >>>>> <mailto:eng at pinenet.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Having separately suggested a specific Linux software use to >>>>> better understand cellulose biofuels, for the sake of kids I take >>>>> issue with your assertion. >>>>> >>>>> We do know the global population has doubled in the last 50 years. >>>>> And we do know kids will face shortages of food, water, energy, >>>>> and housing in the next 50 years. Call it logic or arithmetic or >>>>> social planning. We also know there are a lot of guns and bad >>>>> attitudes that seem to be getting worse. >>>>> >>>>> Luckily, my kids are grown, college grads, some actually employed >>>>> in Silicon Valley. Scientists from India are eager. Same ol, same >>>>> ol in Minnesota. Always a smart way to do nothing. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Linda Kateley wrote: >>>>> >>>>> So that's the reason I pointed them to that mit programming >>>>> program ... Kids need to understand logic, it is way to teach >>>>> programming logic without language.. There used to be >>>>> something similar back in the day called bluejay which did >>>>> something very similar but got people more ready for objects >>>>> and was intended for college. >>>>> >>>>> Whatever we think it is going to be like for them(my kids are >>>>> 15), we are going to be wrong. Something else will come. Some >>>>> new innovation. Logic to me is the key to everything. >>>>> Arduino's are cool and already being used in most of the robot >>>>> clubs.. Languages will change shift and move.. but if they >>>>> understand they have to speak to the device in it's language >>>>> and build program's, I think they will be alright. I speak >>>>> native solaris, but can move between os's like shoes cause I >>>>> know how they work. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry for pontification. >>>>> >>>>> lk >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 8/22/16 4:44 PM, Rick Engebretson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Having done Biophysics grad school in the late 1970s -> >>>>> early 80s my first effort was to push those new >>>>> microcomputers and even fiber optics. We had a meeting in >>>>> Lowertown, St. Paul and by then I had an Epson QX10 and >>>>> somehow managed to draw a 3D peptide structure that >>>>> calculated liquid crystal electro-optic properties. Old >>>>> Biophysics Prof. Otto Schmitt, whom I introduced as the >>>>> "father of digital electronics" by throwing out some new >>>>> Radio Shack Schmitt trigger ICs, remarked, "Who did this?" >>>>> So the high point of my career came and went, the internet >>>>> happened, everything is microcontroller controlled, >>>>> lightweight displays are the norm, friends that tried to >>>>> automate factories with pneumatic controls are broke, >>>>> Lowertown is beautiful, Communist China is the world's >>>>> biggest manufacturing economy. >>>>> >>>>> I like SuSE Linux because they always included hundreds of >>>>> programs. IBM data explorer is worth learning before I'm >>>>> 90. I learned there is now a Protein Data Bank, advanced >>>>> programs to use it, and a nice XScreensaver to draw >>>>> molecules. I like the Arduino toys, and am surprised how >>>>> they exploit the Unix terminal connection. Most stuff I >>>>> use is not in standard distros, like FreePascal, but the >>>>> "forms library," oddly enough is in "Raspbian," the >>>>> Raspberry Pie distro. Etc. >>>>> >>>>> So when a couple of school computer administrators get >>>>> praise for just wanting to hear about Linux, I wonder how >>>>> they will ever catch up. >>>>> >>>>> r hayman wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Relevancy. >>>>> To remain relevant in many job fields, students must >>>>> learn about open source software and Linux. To prepare >>>>> our students and our future work force to be relevant >>>>> when they enter the work force, academia and the >>>>> business world need to be aligned and that alignment, >>>>> in many ways is with open source software. >>>>> >>>>> Running open source or COTS software is seldom a >>>>> business differentiator today, it may only be a >>>>> (negative) differentiator based on licensing and >>>>> support costs. >>>>> >>>>> Pharmaceutical research, weather forecasting, climate >>>>> and environment research, simulations of all types, >>>>> manufacturing, design, you name it, it predominantly >>>>> runs on Linux and open source. >>>>> >>>>> For example, visit >>>>> https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/ >>>>> <https://www.top500.org/statistics/list/> and filter >>>>> on TOP500 Release: June 2016; then Category(ies): >>>>> Operating System, Application Area, and Segments. >>>>> >>>>> You will find that of the top 500 supercomputer sites >>>>> in the world, not a single one runs either Windows or >>>>> Mac OS X. Only 16 - just a hair over 3%, run something >>>>> other than some obvious distribution of Linux. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, 2016-08-22 at 15:22 -0500, Rick Engebretson >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> When my kids were in High School I tried working >>>>> with our school >>>>> district (Mora, MN.) in about 1998 just to get >>>>> programming taught, >>>>> somewhere. The school used all Macs but had at >>>>> least one MSWindows 95 in >>>>> some kind of lab. On a day they canceled school >>>>> because of an ice storm >>>>> I called and they said I could install the QBasic >>>>> from Windows, along >>>>> with program examples galore. So I left my kids >>>>> home and drove to town >>>>> and installed it all. I later went to school board >>>>> meetings and they >>>>> fought me until my kids all graduated. "Political" >>>>> is an understatement. >>>>> >>>>> I use Linux because I can program it. I don't know >>>>> how kids can make it >>>>> in the future without knowing electronics and >>>>> programming. It seems they >>>>> are trying to cripple kids with sports, and retard >>>>> them intellectually. >>>>> It sure wasn't that way in the 1960s. >>>>> >>>>> Linda Kateley wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I started working with my school district >>>>> about 10 years ago. The problems I find there >>>>> are always political and never about >>>>> technology. What worked for me is to find one >>>>> champion in the system that speaks the >>>>> administrations language. I found there were a >>>>> ton of people who wanted to know, just not at >>>>> the top. I introduced scratch to the >>>>> elementary STEM school about 5 years ago, >>>>> https://scratch.mit.edu/. It was the districts >>>>> first involvement with opensource or >>>>> community. The project has been very very >>>>> successful and it opened the doors to more. >>>>> But then they hired a new superintendent that >>>>> thought it was stupid so..that happened ;( >>>>> linda On 8/21/16 10:43 AM, Sandwhich Eyes >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have already given one presentation at >>>>> the Blair Taylor School with the principal >>>>> and an IT guy and have been asked to give >>>>> a follow up talk to them and the head of >>>>> the IT department. They had macbook air >>>>> for the older kids and ipads for the >>>>> younger ones. They bring these home at the >>>>> end of the school day. This time they >>>>> decided to go with cromebooks. It one of >>>>> the best.. rated or testing, can't think >>>>> of an appropriate word, but with the >>>>> quality of the teachers out here i am >>>>> pretty sure they could give my kids sticks >>>>> and a box of sand and they would still be >>>>> well prepared for life on their >>>>> own/college. I am 100% positive they will >>>>> be much better off if they can learn >>>>> without restrictions from open source >>>>> hardware, software, classes (like MIT >>>>> offers open courseware) and the ability to >>>>> choose, to not be scolded for breaking >>>>> some license agreement or for reading and >>>>> modifying code should that be an interest. >>>>> I want them to have Linux. I have gave a >>>>> compelling argument in the last meeting. >>>>> This time I want to have as many resources >>>>> available to provide for them, including >>>>> reasons why schools frequently choose to >>>>> not use Linux. Anything will help. I had >>>>> quite the presentation last time and the >>>>> IT guy didn't know what Unix or BSD 4.4 >>>>> was; or Linux, BSD, Solaris. Seems Ubuntu >>>>> provides computers reloaded with Linux and >>>>> tablets so how they didn't find anything >>>>> about open source or Linux/BSD/ETC is >>>>> beyond me. I gave them a live Ubuntu OS on >>>>> a thumb drive. I wanted to make some more >>>>> and use persistence to load up some >>>>> information to give to the IT people who >>>>> are possibly way under informed, to give >>>>> them plenty of time on their own to absorb >>>>> what open source has to offer; mostly >>>>> community! They asked many questions about >>>>> community. 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