On 01/11 12:27 , Iznogoud wrote: > Carl, > Are we really having this discussion? (I mean it in a good way.) I thought that > having choices was better than the alternative. Those of us with 23+ years on > Linux have come a long way to still be looking at... FVWM2 for a window manager > and liking it. I understand where you're coming from. I used FVWM2 for well over a decade, and I'm occasionally tempted to go back to it. I know it's gotten some updates since I last used it. FWIW, Linus himself used it for quite a while, or so he told me at a conference back in 1999. So we're in good company. :) If I had any clue about programming, one of the things I might do would be to write some patches for FVWM2. I'd love to see someone pick up the circular menus from piewm. They seem like a decent (if a little unusual) UI design choice. (http://www.crynwr.com/piewm/piewm-shadow-menus.gif) Also, non-full-width titlebars are a great UI feature. Why have the titlebar wider than it needs to be? Partial-width titlebars allow overlapping windows without losing the window behind. The BII theme from KDE (sadly removed for lack of maintenance in the most recent version) even shifted the titlebars so it was possible to treat overlapping windows in the same way you treat tabs in your web browser. Extending that idea, wouldn't it be great to explicitly 'weld' windows together? Either at the sides or overlapping, using the above-mentioned tab-like functionality of short titlebars? Sadly, my brain just doesn't handle coding particularly well, so I can't pick up this sort of project myself. -- Carl Soderstrom Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com