From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 15 18:11:51 2017
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 18:11:51 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Willing to give a talk
Message-ID: <CABWFOjs6QwbUrXemMAEJGUogeo_yAjN53=twHJ0CNTDnFx0aUw@mail.gmail.com>

Shalom

There's a Twin Cities C and C++ meetup tomorrow and their
topic is CMake.  CMake is a better topic than Java in my opinion,
but neither is a great topic for that group.  By way of reminder, I
would be happy to give a talk about the C++ Middleware Writer
(CMW) to that group or another group.

And if someone would like a demo of the CMW, let me know.  It
normally takes less than 10 minutes.  The first step is to clone this:
https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards


Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
http://webEbenezer.net
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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Sun Oct 15 18:20:55 2017
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2017 18:20:55 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Willing to give a talk
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjs6QwbUrXemMAEJGUogeo_yAjN53=twHJ0CNTDnFx0aUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjs6QwbUrXemMAEJGUogeo_yAjN53=twHJ0CNTDnFx0aUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJt84+O_xEc86fSzoZem02gd83ERA2AjOcF1x483KJ5ZHSAFgA@mail.gmail.com>

I am guessing, and I could be wrong, that there is very little interest on
this
list about the technical content of your serialization product. I think you
are
better off talking to the people on the C/C++ list that you had mentioned.


Repeatedly reminding an unrelated group seems a silly way of contacting
them.

On Oct 15, 2017 6:12 PM, "Brian Wood" <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Shalom
>
> There's a Twin Cities C and C++ meetup tomorrow and their
> topic is CMake.  CMake is a better topic than Java in my opinion,
> but neither is a great topic for that group.  By way of reminder, I
> would be happy to give a talk about the C++ Middleware Writer
> (CMW) to that group or another group.
>
> And if someone would like a demo of the CMW, let me know.  It
> normally takes less than 10 minutes.  The first step is to clone this:
> https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards
>
>
> Brian
> Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
> http://webEbenezer.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From iznogoud at nobelware.com  Mon Oct 16 15:11:04 2017
From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 20:11:04 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Willing to give a talk
In-Reply-To: <CAJt84+O_xEc86fSzoZem02gd83ERA2AjOcF1x483KJ5ZHSAFgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjs6QwbUrXemMAEJGUogeo_yAjN53=twHJ0CNTDnFx0aUw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJt84+O_xEc86fSzoZem02gd83ERA2AjOcF1x483KJ5ZHSAFgA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20171016201104.GA4168@nobelware.com>

If there were large practical value from an IT or admin perspective about this
concept I am sure the Penguins Unbound would be all over that. If there were
much of an intellectual and curiosity interest the League of Extraordinary
Algorithms group would be interested. Ping those guys.

Nothing wrong with spreading some ideas on good software. There are a lot of
smart and curious people around.

From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Sat Oct 21 19:52:03 2017
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 19:52:03 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Gimp has no menus in Ubuntu 17.04
In-Reply-To: <CALuKVvt3U_qfintLKhKH8TenD+JbPwm751aWAfz80Rb_R4M-JA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALuKVvt3U_qfintLKhKH8TenD+JbPwm751aWAfz80Rb_R4M-JA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1710211949590.2795@taxa2>

On Tue, 22 Aug 2017, Mike Miller wrote:

> It's Gimp 2.8.20.  It is unusable -- no menus!!
>
> What the heck is going on here?  Ubuntu used to just work.  Now with 
> 17.04 it crashes daily, and *very* severely (worse than BSOD -- I wish I 
> could have BSOD instead!), and now I can't even use Gimp.

The good news with upgrade to 17.10 is that the Gimp menu now works.

My crashing problem was improving over time, presumably because of 
updates.  I was going up to 3 days without a crash.  I hope 17.10 fixes 
that even further.

Thanks for the responses to this post.

Mike

From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Sat Oct 21 19:56:09 2017
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 19:56:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] bad crash with Ubuntu 17.04
In-Reply-To: <CALuKVvsEwyTmO8FEh6wm4GiXmgJ7uT3-78_+4801OyLktF-Ljw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALuKVvsEwyTmO8FEh6wm4GiXmgJ7uT3-78_+4801OyLktF-Ljw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1710211952330.2795@taxa2>

We discussed this a little back in July.  I just want to say that the 
syslog wasn't helping much.  The crashes didn't seem to have much to do 
with what was in the log.  I never figured out where the problem was, but 
as I said in my previous message, over the past three months it kept on 
improving.  It could go 3 days without a crash.  I have now upgraded to 
Ubuntu 17.10, and I'm hoping that fixes more of my problems.  I was going 
to go back to 16.10 LTS, but that looked like it would be a big hassle, so 
I was crossing my finger instead, just hoping it would fix itself (not as 
crazy as it sounds, right?).

Mike


On Tue, 25 Jul 2017, Mike Miller wrote:

> This was as serious as any BSOD.  I was using chromium-browser and
> when I used the mouse to copy the URL, the whole system just froze.
> The mouse still moved on the screen at first, but nothing else worked,
> then the mouse froze too.  I doubt it had anything to do with
> chromium.  I couldn't use ctrl-alt-F1 and the machine seemed to
> disappear from the home network, so I couldn't even see it, never mind
> ping it or ssh to it.
>
> Here are the messages from /var/log/syslog (my machine is "taxa2"):
>
> Jul 24 17:02:49 taxa2 org.gtk.vfs.Daemon[2445]: fusermount: failed to
> access mountpoint /run/user/1000/gvfs: Permission denied
> Jul 24 17:02:50 taxa2 hud-service[2166]: #033[31mvoid
> DBusMenuImporter::slotGetLayoutFinished(QDBusPendingCallWatcher*)#033[0m:
> "No such interface 'com.canonical.dbusmenu' on object at path
> /org/ayatana/bamf/window/67108867"
> Jul 24 17:02:54 taxa2 unity-panel-ser[2034]: menus_destroyed:
> assertion 'IS_WINDOW_MENU(wm)' failed
>
> That's what happened just as it got stuck.  There was nothing for 25
> minutes before that and nothing after that until I reset the computer
> and rebooted.
>
> Any ideas?  Could it have anything to do with samba?  (That was
> running, but nothing should have been accessing it at that time.)  I
> was not using sshfs.
>
> Mike
>

From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Sat Oct 21 19:59:48 2017
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 19:59:48 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu 17.10 now using DISPLAY=:1 but why?
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1710211957380.2795@taxa2>

I upgraded to Ubuntu 17.10 and soon found that some things were not 
working.  Apparently the root of the problem is that my monitor is now 
using DISPLAY=:1.  I don't know why.  I have only one monitor.  It ought 
to be DISPLAY=:0.  Any ideas?

Mike

From carl.soderstrom at real-time.com  Mon Oct 23 12:01:23 2017
From: carl.soderstrom at real-time.com (Carl W. Soderstrom)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:01:23 -0400
Subject: [tclug-list] Ubuntu 17.10 now using DISPLAY=:1 but why?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1710211957380.2795@taxa2>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1710211957380.2795@taxa2>
Message-ID: <20171023170122.jnshdcfta44xwpko@real-time.com>

On 10/22 12:59 , Mike Miller wrote:
> I upgraded to Ubuntu 17.10 and soon found that some things were not working.
> Apparently the root of the problem is that my monitor is now using
> DISPLAY=:1.  I don't know why.  I have only one monitor.  It ought to be
> DISPLAY=:0.  Any ideas?

Got a stale lockfile in /tmp/.X11 or someplace similar? That's usually what
causes that issue.

-- 
Carl Soderstrom
Systems Administrator
Real-Time Enterprises
www.real-time.com

From eng at pinenet.com  Tue Oct 24 08:47:05 2017
From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 08:47:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Personal Computer generations.
Message-ID: <3c2de300-a46a-0c5f-d552-1fa17caa834f@pinenet.com>

I just got an email from "opensource.com highlights." Don't know how I 
got on their list, but it's often interesting. Anyway, I noticed the DOS 
emulators and microcontroller stuff, and since I've been playing with 
both recently it might be something to share.



WEEKLY NEWS

     Top 7 open source terminal emulators for Linux
     Spend a lot of time on the command line? These terminal emulators 
will help make it a better experience.

     How to run DOS programs in Linux
     QEMU and FreeDOS make it easy to run old DOS games and applications.

     How to use an Arduino and Raspberry Pi to turn a fiber optic neural 
network into wall art
     Learn how a machine learning algorithm can produce a beautiful wall 
decoration.

     The origin and evolution of FreeDOS

     Getting started with Logstash

     Learn how to program in Python by building a simple dice game

     U.S. makes renewable energy software open source


I have long been a fan of Atmel AVR microcontroller innovation. Sounds 
like "Microchip has, too, and bought them. Don't know the future of 
Arduino. Playing on Windows ME and QBasic can be fun to dig around 
absolute memory and ports on their Windows Virtual DOS machine. Atmel 
doc "AVR325: High-speed Interface to Host EPP Parallel Port" describes 
how to use DOS Turbo C to make a (almost) printer type receiver from an 
AVR chip. (The simple software is on a CD if anybody cares and can't 
find it). Of course the Arduino USB link is far superior, but breaking 
out of the PC BOX is quite easy now. (Atmel had a paper on the USB link 
long before Arduino happened, too.)

Also to mention the "renewable energy" interest. Fair to say 
California's grow and burn policy will need rethinking.

So Linux is at the very top of a growing computer food chain. Fed from 
data and control interfaces over a growing IT infrastructure. Reliable, 
open source, versatile linux. I'm sure the Systems Administrators out 
there see their responsibility growing accordingly. Meanwhile, us 
putzers are having fun.




From mr.chew.baka at gmail.com  Thu Oct 26 09:58:40 2017
From: mr.chew.baka at gmail.com (B-o-B De Mars)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 09:58:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Personal Computer generations.
In-Reply-To: <3c2de300-a46a-0c5f-d552-1fa17caa834f@pinenet.com>
References: <3c2de300-a46a-0c5f-d552-1fa17caa834f@pinenet.com>
Message-ID: <a50bcb57-ae96-ff6a-4227-27db8cb1dfe7@gmail.com>



On 10/24/2017 8:47 AM, Rick Engebretson wrote:
> I just got an email from "opensource.com highlights." Don't know how I 
> got on their list, but it's often interesting. Anyway, I noticed the DOS 
> emulators and microcontroller stuff, and since I've been playing with 
> both recently it might be something to share.

Depending what your DOS needs are DOSBox is a great option for running 
old DOS applications and games on Linux.  I use it all the time.


https://www.dosbox.com/

From eng at pinenet.com  Thu Oct 26 18:22:37 2017
From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2017 18:22:37 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Personal Computer generations.
In-Reply-To: <a50bcb57-ae96-ff6a-4227-27db8cb1dfe7@gmail.com>
References: <3c2de300-a46a-0c5f-d552-1fa17caa834f@pinenet.com>
 <a50bcb57-ae96-ff6a-4227-27db8cb1dfe7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1dc71a2e-bfb5-97d6-7cde-22ac96fe8391@pinenet.com>

Thanks B-o-B (Mr chewbaka).

Perhaps like you, for me it's a coping mechanism. Here is a link that 
interests me, and if you look at the bottom of the page I bet same for 
the web-page poster, too.

http://fysnet.net/rombios.htm

The current rural neighborhood crisis has a new neighbor letting his pit 
bull chase deer while also shooting his ~25 shot automatic when another 
new neighbor is in his deer stand bow hunting. The bow hunter also has a 
50 caliber bear rifle ready if they enter his sight. Of course they have 
made it a wildlife hunter's feedlot and I did smell a skunk today.

I guess the pit bull owner angered his other neighbor who used to have a 
cougar. But when I called the sheriff's office I was informed the cougar 
had died, However, he still has something that howls like wolves.

Your basic looney bin up here, with a "No Trespassing" sigh across the 
road. It will sound like Afghanistan in a week, with orange soldiers.

I simply love shiny wires, and colorful computer screens, and great 
computer books. I have a new old book; "Programming the Parallel Port," 
by Dhananjay V. Gadre. And learned about the rom bios table that 
included occupied port address at 0x40 + offset. I never knew this, and 
have a lot of DOS books, so I found the web link and had a great day.

Best regards,
rick.



B-o-B De Mars wrote:
>
>
> On 10/24/2017 8:47 AM, Rick Engebretson wrote:
>> I just got an email from "opensource.com highlights." Don't know how I
>> got on their list, but it's often interesting. Anyway, I noticed the
>> DOS emulators and microcontroller stuff, and since I've been playing
>> with both recently it might be something to share.
>
> Depending what your DOS needs are DOSBox is a great option for running
> old DOS applications and games on Linux.  I use it all the time.
>
>
> https://www.dosbox.com/
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From iznogoud at nobelware.com  Fri Oct 27 14:47:08 2017
From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 19:47:08 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Personal Computer generations.
In-Reply-To: <1dc71a2e-bfb5-97d6-7cde-22ac96fe8391@pinenet.com>
References: <3c2de300-a46a-0c5f-d552-1fa17caa834f@pinenet.com>
 <a50bcb57-ae96-ff6a-4227-27db8cb1dfe7@gmail.com>
 <1dc71a2e-bfb5-97d6-7cde-22ac96fe8391@pinenet.com>
Message-ID: <20171027194708.GA29335@nobelware.com>

You do not belong there dude. But let's not get into that discussion.


From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Fri Oct 27 22:16:47 2017
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 22:16:47 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] centos7 says second nic does not seem to be present
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9DhF9khqC2U6w3mZu2JyM0Ozi-PurU0SHHpKcYaD_azFw@mail.gmail.com>

two nics both setup as bridges work fine in centos6, second nic won't start
on the same box in centos7.  i added HWADDR, removed udev rules, removed
network manager, no luck, anyone know what's needed?:

  #  ifup enp4s1
ERROR     : [/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-eth] Device enp4s1 does
not seem to be present, delaying initialization.

  #  ip a
1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN qlen 1
    link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
    inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
2: enp4s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq master br0
state UP qlen 1000
    link/ether 00:e0:81:5c:a2:9e brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
3: br0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP
qlen 1000
    link/ether 00:e0:81:5c:a2:9e brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet foo.240.82.4/28 brd 209.240.82.15 scope global br0
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
4: br1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state
UNKNOWN qlen 1000
    link/ether 1a:61:a1:72:b4:c6 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
    inet 192.168.1.244/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global br1
       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

 #  head -99 /e*/s*/n*/*{br,enp}*
==> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-br0 <==
TYPE=Bridge
DEVICE=br0
ONBOOT=yes
DELAY=0
BOOTPROTO=static
  NETMASK=255.255.255.240
   IPADDR=foo.240.82.4
  GATEWAY=foo.240.82.14

==> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-br1 <==
TYPE=Bridge
DEVICE=br1
ONBOOT=yes
DELAY=0
NM_CONTROLLED=no
BOOTPROTO=static
  NETMASK=255.255.255.0
   IPADDR=192.168.1.244

==> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-enp4s0 <==
DEVICE=enp4s0
ONBOOT=yes
DELAY=0
BRIDGE=br0

==> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-enp4s1 <==
DEVICE=enp4s1
HWADDR=00:e0:81:5c:a2:9d
ONBOOT=yes
DELAY=0
NM_CONTROLLED=no
BRIDGE=br1
-- 
this concludes test 42 of big bang inflation dynamics.  in the advent of an
actual universe, further instructions will be provided.
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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Fri Oct 27 22:35:05 2017
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 22:35:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] centos7 says second nic does not seem to be present
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9C5D_ZpsZF2KfZuG3w-ZgLu7H249uco_DcF7GpiN6A5UA@mail.gmail.com>

where could 1a:61:a1:72:b4:c6 be coming from?  that's not right, and not
what i put in HWADDR


On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 10:16 PM, gregrwm <tclug1 at whitleymott.net> wrote:

> two nics both setup as bridges work fine in centos6, second nic won't
> start on the same box in centos7.  i added HWADDR, removed udev rules,
> removed network manager, no luck, anyone know what's needed?:
>
>   #  ifup enp4s1
> ERROR     : [/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-eth] Device enp4s1 does
> not seem to be present, delaying initialization.
>
>   #  ip a
> 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN qlen 1
>     link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
>     inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
>        valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> 2: enp4s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq master br0
> state UP qlen 1000
>     link/ether 00:e0:81:5c:a2:9e brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> 3: br0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP
> qlen 1000
>     link/ether 00:e0:81:5c:a2:9e brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
>     inet foo.240.82.4/28 brd 209.240.82.15 scope global br0
>        valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> 4: br1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state
> UNKNOWN qlen 1000
>     link/ether 1a:61:a1:72:b4:c6 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
>     inet 192.168.1.244/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global br1
>        valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
>
>  #  head -99 /e*/s*/n*/*{br,enp}*
> ==> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-br0 <==
> TYPE=Bridge
> DEVICE=br0
> ONBOOT=yes
> DELAY=0
> BOOTPROTO=static
>   NETMASK=255.255.255.240
>    IPADDR=foo.240.82.4
>   GATEWAY=foo.240.82.14
>
> ==> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-br1 <==
> TYPE=Bridge
> DEVICE=br1
> ONBOOT=yes
> DELAY=0
> NM_CONTROLLED=no
> BOOTPROTO=static
>   NETMASK=255.255.255.0
>    IPADDR=192.168.1.244
>
> ==> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-enp4s0 <==
> DEVICE=enp4s0
> ONBOOT=yes
> DELAY=0
> BRIDGE=br0
>
> ==> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-enp4s1 <==
> DEVICE=enp4s1
> HWADDR=00:e0:81:5c:a2:9d
> ONBOOT=yes
> DELAY=0
> NM_CONTROLLED=no
> BRIDGE=br1
>
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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 29 19:10:32 2017
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 19:10:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Include file needed on FreeBSD but not Linux
Message-ID: <CABWFOjsMFTnXBKn4+DJ0v=kFYqw92_KWS6mR5+TEjW_W+ZnQ=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi.  I made a change recently to this file:
https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards/blob/master/File.hh#L4

and tested it on Linux, but not on FreeBSD.  Today I tried it on
FreeBSD and it didn't compile.  I had to add an include for
sys/stat.h to get it to compile on FreeBSD.  The error message
had to do with not finding constants like S_IRUSR.  Does anyone
know if FreeBSD is right or wrong in this?  Thanks in advance.


Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises -- In G-d we trust.
http://webEbenezer.net
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From o1bigtenor at gmail.com  Sun Oct 29 19:24:31 2017
From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 19:24:31 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] webhosting questions
Message-ID: <CAPpdf5_4rpHh1TtQw-kL8-zsBVWHiMn7HD=7RV2X+LCxFG3YdA@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings

I bought web hosting and registered 2 domains with a company. The domains
need to be renewed annually but the hosting is on a three year rotation.
The renewal is going to be about 2.7 x the original hosting contract.

Is this normal?
What do you of those that have a personal or small business website do - -
- move before renewal - - - or ?????

I have managed to setup a webserver here at home. I tried to use one of my
domains - - - that doesn't work because dns resolves to my host and not
here. Any suggestions on what and/or how to setup things to experiment here
before I go live with something?
(I want to try things like horde's webmail groupware (Have it installed
locally already) and other tools in the running of the business.)

TIA

Dee
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From tonyyarusso at gmail.com  Sun Oct 29 19:42:25 2017
From: tonyyarusso at gmail.com (Tony Yarusso)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 19:42:25 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] webhosting questions
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I normally do my domain registrations and web hosting with separate
companies (typically Name.com and Linode, respectively), so their
billing is totally unrelated.  The hosting has always been just
month-to-month, not annual or longer.  I'm guessing your original
purchase was with some sort of "new customer discount", hence the
increase now - check the fine print I guess.

For testing stuff at home, you can always just edit /etc/hosts on your
testing box, as that will take precedence over external DNS records.

On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 7:24 PM, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor at gmail.com> wrote:
> Greetings
>
> I bought web hosting and registered 2 domains with a company. The domains
> need to be renewed annually but the hosting is on a three year rotation. The
> renewal is going to be about 2.7 x the original hosting contract.
>
> Is this normal?
> What do you of those that have a personal or small business website do - - -
> move before renewal - - - or ?????
>
> I have managed to setup a webserver here at home. I tried to use one of my
> domains - - - that doesn't work because dns resolves to my host and not
> here. Any suggestions on what and/or how to setup things to experiment here
> before I go live with something?
> (I want to try things like horde's webmail groupware (Have it installed
> locally already) and other tools in the running of the business.)
>
> TIA
>
> Dee
>
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Mon Oct 30 00:01:21 2017
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 00:01:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Include file needed on FreeBSD but not Linux
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjsMFTnXBKn4+DJ0v=kFYqw92_KWS6mR5+TEjW_W+ZnQ=Q@mail.gmail.com>
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All I can interject to you on this subject (as I have mostly abandoned BSD) is?

Did you install the Linux libraries into your BSD system? 


> On Oct 29, 2017, at 7:10 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi.  I made a change recently to this file:
> https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards/blob/master/File.hh#L4 <https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards/blob/master/File.hh#L4>
> 
> and tested it on Linux, but not on FreeBSD.  Today I tried it on
> FreeBSD and it didn't compile.  I had to add an include for
> sys/stat.h to get it to compile on FreeBSD.  The error message 
> had to do with not finding constants like S_IRUSR.  Does anyone 
> know if FreeBSD is right or wrong in this?  Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> Brian
> Ebenezer Enterprises -- In G-d we trust. 
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Mon Oct 30 00:15:22 2017
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 00:15:22 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Personal Computer generations.
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Who are you replying to?


> On Oct 27, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Iznogoud <iznogoud at nobelware.com> wrote:
> 
> You do not belong there dude. But let's not get into that discussion.
> 
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From eng at pinenet.com  Mon Oct 30 02:46:45 2017
From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 02:46:45 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Personal Computer generations.
In-Reply-To: <20171027194708.GA29335@nobelware.com>
References: <3c2de300-a46a-0c5f-d552-1fa17caa834f@pinenet.com>
 <a50bcb57-ae96-ff6a-4227-27db8cb1dfe7@gmail.com>
 <1dc71a2e-bfb5-97d6-7cde-22ac96fe8391@pinenet.com>
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Thanks for reading my TCLUG post.

It is remarkable to us old guys how much can be and is done with 
computers these days. From 8 bit micro-controllers to super computers, 
programming to fabrication, etc. Applications in autos, communications, 
automation, military, etc.

I'm less worried by the new neighbors from Florida and Burnesville. 
Minnesota winter hits and they put their guns, motorcycle, and 4 
wheelers away.

I think I'm going to stick with the old RS-232 ports. Linux has a great 
posix tty driver that does plenty on the UART without DOS. Most 
microcontrollers have at least one UART. The line voltages can be 
handled with an adapter like MAX232, but most ignore all the modem 
control lines. So I have to fabricate my own adapter boards. Didn't want 
to have to try do circuit board work, but who knows, it might be OK??

Iznogoud wrote:
> You do not belong there dude. But let's not get into that discussion.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From iznogoud at nobelware.com  Mon Oct 30 07:22:40 2017
From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 12:22:40 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Include file needed on FreeBSD but not Linux
In-Reply-To: <ED28F9E9-2FA1-4E16-9660-94D1978AA825@cwis.biz>
References: <CABWFOjsMFTnXBKn4+DJ0v=kFYqw92_KWS6mR5+TEjW_W+ZnQ=Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20171030122240.GA18971@nobelware.com>

There is no installing Linux libraries in the BSD here; this file is in the
GNU C library's contents/compiler. This is a set of constants on the sticky
bit permissions management.

Most likely what is happening is that on Linux the file is #included by some
other #include file. To see if this is the case do the following. In the code
(the file you mentioned that uses the constant) put this:

#ifdef _SYS_STAT_H
# warning "My missing file has already been included"
#endif

Here is how to fix your code to compile properly. In the place where this file
is included, use this:

#ifdef __USE_BSD 
# include <sys/stat.h>
#endif

You are done.


From iznogoud at nobelware.com  Mon Oct 30 07:27:06 2017
From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 12:27:06 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Personal Computer generations.
In-Reply-To: <FBEE0654-046D-4C3A-90A2-22C3164122E1@cwis.biz>
References: <3c2de300-a46a-0c5f-d552-1fa17caa834f@pinenet.com>
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 <FBEE0654-046D-4C3A-90A2-22C3164122E1@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <20171030122706.GB18971@nobelware.com>

> 
> Who are you replying to?
> 
> 
> > On Oct 27, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Iznogoud <iznogoud at nobelware.com> wrote:
> > 
> > You do not belong there dude. But let's not get into that discussion.
> > 

To Rick. He needs to re-patriate himself to a not so remote and backwards
place.


From iznogoud at nobelware.com  Mon Oct 30 07:41:06 2017
From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 12:41:06 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] webhosting questions
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Message-ID: <20171030124106.GC18971@nobelware.com>

I also use different companies for registrant and hosting. For hosting I run
a virtual server on Rackspace (formerly Slicehost). In most cases you want to
do something like this.

> 
> For testing stuff at home, you can always just edit /etc/hosts on your
> testing box, as that will take precedence over external DNS records.
>

Nope. The /etc/hosts of the _client_ machine (the machine querying the IP to
connect to the presumed mailserver) will need this modification. ONLY if you
are testing from the box that runs the web/Horde server itself this will work.

I am guessing this does not apply here; he probably wants his employees to
test-use Horde from outside. In that case, the DNS record has to point to the
IP where "home" is. This can be done. Make the webserver running at "home" have
a virtual host that uses the hostname of your "presumed mailserver" of your
domain. (This is easy to do.) Then, make the DNS record of your mailserver to
point to your IP where "home" is. This can be an issue if you do not have a
static IP there. Finally, you can point people to your presumed mailserver's
_hostname_ and your box at home will respond as expected. Also, if "home" is
a home with a typical setup of a DSL/cable-modem, etc, etc, you will need to
forward the incoming port 80 at the modem to the LAN machine that is your
presumed mailserver.

I would not do that... I'd get a server from Rackspace for $13/month and do
all the testing I want. It is a month-to-month contract. There is a different
problem there; Rackspace's policy is to not allow mailservers to run out of
arbitrary virtual hosts there. I do it. I get blacklisted and remove the host
from the advisory blacklists from time to time. But for testing, it will work
fine for you. It will work flawlessly and there are fewer battles to fight.


I hope we are of some help. I know you are going to base your business on this,
and everything needs to work flawlessly.

From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Mon Oct 30 09:00:50 2017
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 09:00:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] centos7 says second nic does not seem to be present
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9CoX9QY5wxMsp1JSVona3cV8B7vWKB1+MaAJRsLTiOwXw@mail.gmail.com>

lshw only reports one nic under centos7.  my guess is it's a driver
regression, and nobody will care because it's an old sun x2100 m1.


On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 10:35 PM, gregrwm <tclug1 at whitleymott.net> wrote:

> where could 1a:61:a1:72:b4:c6 be coming from?  that's not right, and not
> what i put in HWADDR
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 10:16 PM, gregrwm <tclug1 at whitleymott.net> wrote:
>
>> two nics both setup as bridges work fine in centos6, second nic won't
>> start on the same box in centos7.  i added HWADDR, removed udev rules,
>> removed network manager, no luck, anyone know what's needed?:
>>
>>   #  ifup enp4s1
>> ERROR     : [/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-eth] Device enp4s1 does
>> not seem to be present, delaying initialization.
>>
>>   #  ip a
>> 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN qlen 1
>>     link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
>>     inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
>>        valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
>> 2: enp4s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq master
>> br0 state UP qlen 1000
>>     link/ether 00:e0:81:5c:a2:9e brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
>> 3: br0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state
>> UP qlen 1000
>>     link/ether 00:e0:81:5c:a2:9e brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
>>     inet foo.240.82.4/28 brd 209.240.82.15 scope global br0
>>        valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
>> 4: br1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state
>> UNKNOWN qlen 1000
>>     link/ether 1a:61:a1:72:b4:c6 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
>>     inet 192.168.1.244/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global br1
>>        valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
>>
>>  #  head -99 /e*/s*/n*/*{br,enp}*
>> ==> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-br0 <==
>> TYPE=Bridge
>> DEVICE=br0
>> ONBOOT=yes
>> DELAY=0
>> BOOTPROTO=static
>>   NETMASK=255.255.255.240
>>    IPADDR=foo.240.82.4
>>   GATEWAY=foo.240.82.14
>>
>> ==> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-br1 <==
>> TYPE=Bridge
>> DEVICE=br1
>> ONBOOT=yes
>> DELAY=0
>> NM_CONTROLLED=no
>> BOOTPROTO=static
>>   NETMASK=255.255.255.0
>>    IPADDR=192.168.1.244
>>
>> ==> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-enp4s0 <==
>> DEVICE=enp4s0
>> ONBOOT=yes
>> DELAY=0
>> BRIDGE=br0
>>
>> ==> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-enp4s1 <==
>> DEVICE=enp4s1
>> HWADDR=00:e0:81:5c:a2:9d
>> ONBOOT=yes
>> DELAY=0
>> NM_CONTROLLED=no
>> BRIDGE=br1
>>
>
-- 
this concludes test 42 of big bang inflation dynamics.  in the advent of an
actual universe, further instructions will be provided.
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From o1bigtenor at gmail.com  Mon Oct 30 11:09:34 2017
From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 11:09:34 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] webhosting questions
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On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:41 AM, Iznogoud <iznogoud at nobelware.com> wrote:

> I also use different companies for registrant and hosting. For hosting I
> run
> a virtual server on Rackspace (formerly Slicehost). In most cases you want
> to
> do something like this.
>

I am working on learning what I need to. This will change, using the same
firm for
both domain registration and hosting in the process of domain renewal later
this winter.

>
> >
> > For testing stuff at home, you can always just edit /etc/hosts on your
> > testing box, as that will take precedence over external DNS records.
> >
>
> Nope. The /etc/hosts of the _client_ machine (the machine querying the IP
> to
> connect to the presumed mailserver) will need this modification. ONLY if
> you
> are testing from the box that runs the web/Horde server itself this will
> work.
>
> I am guessing this does not apply here; he probably wants his employees to
> test-use Horde from outside. In that case, the DNS record has to point to
> the
> IP where "home" is. This can be done. Make the webserver running at "home"
> have
> a virtual host that uses the hostname of your "presumed mailserver" of your
> domain. (This is easy to do.) Then, make the DNS record of your mailserver
> to
> point to your IP where "home" is. This can be an issue if you do not have a
> static IP there. Finally, you can point people to your presumed
> mailserver's
> _hostname_ and your box at home will respond as expected. Also, if "home"
> is
> a home with a typical setup of a DSL/cable-modem, etc, etc, you will need
> to
> forward the incoming port 80 at the modem to the LAN machine that is your
> presumed mailserver.
>
> I would not do that... I'd get a server from Rackspace for $13/month and do
> all the testing I want. It is a month-to-month contract. There is a
> different
> problem there; Rackspace's policy is to not allow mailservers to run out of
> arbitrary virtual hosts there. I do it. I get blacklisted and remove the
> host
> from the advisory blacklists from time to time. But for testing, it will
> work
> fine for you. It will work flawlessly and there are fewer battles to fight.
>

One of the things I have become quite anal about is my information being
out of
my control. This limits me to not using cloud services. For me - - - I want
no one
else to own nor to control my information, this makes me quite reluctant to
even
use web based services. I am finding that even this has a lot of unattended
difficulties!

>
>
> I hope we are of some help. I know you are going to base your business on
> this,
> and everything needs to work flawlessly.
>

That's the problem with business stuff. Its even worse when you are setting
up in
an incredibly regulated area. Every thing MUST be perfect and even then it
is
going to be assumed by the inspectors that you are trying to cut corners.
Somehow
our current bureaucratic environment just doesn't get business - - - why
would I
go to all the trouble of starting the business if I didn't want customers
to like and
want to repeat purchase my products but the inspectors seem to think that
the
opposite is true.

Thank you one and all for your input!!!!

Dee

> _______________________________________________
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From iznogoud at nobelware.com  Mon Oct 30 15:03:23 2017
From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 20:03:23 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] centos7 says second nic does not seem to be present
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9CoX9QY5wxMsp1JSVona3cV8B7vWKB1+MaAJRsLTiOwXw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9CoX9QY5wxMsp1JSVona3cV8B7vWKB1+MaAJRsLTiOwXw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20171030200323.GA3201@nobelware.com>

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 09:00:50AM -0500, gregrwm wrote:
> 
> lshw only reports one nic under centos7.  my guess is it's a driver
> regression, and nobody will care because it's an old sun x2100 m1.
>

When dealing with "old" use old. NDISwrapper is your friend. Find the latest
Windows (.dll) driver for the NIC and build the NDIS wrapper for it. Much
success has been enjoyed by myself from this tool...

The kernel should recognize it somehow after you do the ndiswrapper build. I
jsut do not recall off the top of my head how to do it.

From iznogoud at nobelware.com  Mon Oct 30 15:12:54 2017
From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 20:12:54 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] webhosting questions
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> 
> One of the things I have become quite anal about is my information being
> out of
> my control. This limits me to not using cloud services. For me - - - I want
> no one
> else to own nor to control my information, this makes me quite reluctant to
> even
> use web based services. I am finding that even this has a lot of unattended
> difficulties!
>

I understand. I empathize. I encourage your behaviour. You are doing it right.
learn, and keep things under your control.


OK, so skip the virtual server. Keep a box at home, and follow what I said
about forwarding ports (both 80 and the https one... 443 or something), and
directing CNAME nameserver entries at your domain registrant to point home.
Do all internal testing of Horde on your own, with /etc/hosts and the like.
But I can guarantee you that when your mailserver goes out and into production,
you WILL have issues with its integrity, i.e. other mailservers will want you
to have SMTP authentication, not be black- or gray-listed, and various other
attributes.

It will almost become a part-time job, and do budget for it in your business
plan, that you will spend some of your time on IT-related crap that is simply
imposed on you from the outside. (That is why IT is a big business.)

Take LOTS of notes, and have a logbook for _everything_ that you do or change
on hte system, with a date and time recorded. Thank me later.

As for your other, business development related comments, you are welcome. I
do understand that the regulators are always there to make things harder for
you, but there is always a reason for it, and they are merely doing their job.
Your job is to work within the (bureaucratic) framework that is there. It is
good to have your own business and control your own fate. You are doing it
right. If it were not worth it, we would be living in a uber-socialist or a
presumably communist society. No... It pays to have your own business, otherwise
private enterprise would not exist!


From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 30 20:31:19 2017
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 20:31:19 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Include file needed on FreeBSD but not Linux
Message-ID: <CABWFOjtbAXQ=TZ4zvVv3bTwczy=XuW--YvWr-Zu2XAWFFKj8pw@mail.gmail.com>

Iznogoud writes:

> Here is how to fix your code to compile properly. In the place where this
file
> is included, use this:
>
> #ifdef __USE_BSD
> # include <sys/stat.h>
> #endif
>

I'd like something better than that.  Will FreeBSD decide
that what Linux does, in this case, is helpful and do the
same?  I hope that's how this plays out.


Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - If you can't join 'em, beat 'em.
http://webEbenezer.net
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From o1bigtenor at gmail.com  Tue Oct 31 07:15:05 2017
From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 07:15:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] webhosting questions
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On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Iznogoud <iznogoud at nobelware.com> wrote:

> >
> > One of the things I have become quite anal about is my information being
> > out of
> > my control. This limits me to not using cloud services. For me - - - I
> want
> > no one
> > else to own nor to control my information, this makes me quite reluctant
> to
> > even
> > use web based services. I am finding that even this has a lot of
> unattended
> > difficulties!
> >
>
> I understand. I empathize. I encourage your behaviour. You are doing it
> right.
> learn, and keep things under your control.
>

Thank you for understanding - - - I have found quite a few 'computer'
people who
think I'm being silly - - - in other words - - - the cloud is great what
are you worried
about.

>
>
> OK, so skip the virtual server. Keep a box at home, and follow what I said
> about forwarding ports (both 80 and the https one... 443 or something), and
> directing CNAME nameserver entries at your domain registrant to point home.
> Do all internal testing of Horde on your own, with /etc/hosts and the like.
> But I can guarantee you that when your mailserver goes out and into
> production,
> you WILL have issues with its integrity, i.e. other mailservers will want
> you
> to have SMTP authentication, not be black- or gray-listed, and various
> other
> attributes.
>
> It will almost become a part-time job, and do budget for it in your
> business
> plan, that you will spend some of your time on IT-related crap that is
> simply
> imposed on you from the outside. (That is why IT is a big business.)
>
> Take LOTS of notes, and have a logbook for _everything_ that you do or
> change
> on hte system, with a date and time recorded. Thank me later.
>

Have been trying to do the notes thing - - - it never seems to be enough
and they
need to be kept on paper because of course those notes are most needed when
the
system that they are on is sick itself - - - grin!

There are no plans on make the mailserver a real 'live' edition. At most
this is going
to be for internal use only. That should change things quite a bit. The
whole information
gathering sorting and storing is becoming a huge time pit. Yet it all needs
doing - - -
it doesn't help that I'm trying to do something hugely complex either. But
then I've upped
my skills in a number of areas already and am looking at a few more - - -
partial
differential equations anyone?

>
> As for your other, business development related comments, you are welcome.
> I
> do understand that the regulators are always there to make things harder
> for
> you, but there is always a reason for it, and they are merely doing their
> job.
> Your job is to work within the (bureaucratic) framework that is there. It
> is
> good to have your own business and control your own fate. You are doing it
> right. If it were not worth it, we would be living in a uber-socialist or a
> presumably communist society. No... It pays to have your own business,
> otherwise
> private enterprise would not exist!
>

The argument that the regulators are 'just doing their jobs' to me seems
quite similar
to the arguments presented in the Nuremberg trial in the late 1940s. There
are no
reasons to support mindlessly doing destructive practices.

It would seem, given the government's propensity for taxing the crap out of
businesses
that business is easy to do rather than the opposite. If only governments
could realize
that they themselves have now become the major impediment to the long term
financial health of our nations!

Regards

Dee
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From iznogoud at nobelware.com  Tue Oct 31 09:02:42 2017
From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 14:02:42 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Include file needed on FreeBSD but not Linux
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> >
> > #ifdef __USE_BSD
> > # include <sys/stat.h>
> > #endif
> >
> 
> I'd like something better than that.  Will FreeBSD decide
> that what Linux does, in this case, is helpful and do the
> same?  I hope that's how this plays out.
>

Maybe you should try it and, as a courtesy, tell us if this has worked for you.
If it has not, you need something else. If it has, thank us and be a bit more
specific about the way in which you want the solution to be better. If you look
in the GNU C library's .h files you will see constructs exactly like what I
gave you (quoted above).

Your second sentence is ambiguous. You need to be more specific.

From iznogoud at nobelware.com  Tue Oct 31 09:11:25 2017
From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 14:11:25 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] webhosting questions
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Partial differential equations is what I solve (numerically and sometimes
analytically) all day. Spill the beans bro! (Privately if you are inclined.)
Maybe I can assist.

Respectfully...

I disagree that governments are impediments. Try living and having a functional
banking, food distribution, health-care system in a lawless place (like Somalia)
and then come criticize the first world for having impediments. We are taking
a little too much for granted. I advocate less bureaucracy and positive change,
but I am never quick to blame how things work -- there is always a good reason.

[RANT]
I have observed that when an organization has an issue, it seems like the
biggest problem in the world. Young, eager change-inducers come in and have a
sentiment like this: "who was stupid enough to make things work this way/"
and never question what got things to be how they are. Seen it and hate it.
People are too reactive in my opinion. And they also forget history quickly.

Read Timothy Snyder's "on Tyranny" which is the best $10 I spent this year.
[/RANT]


From eng at pinenet.com  Tue Oct 31 09:27:05 2017
From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 09:27:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] centos7 says second nic does not seem to be present
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I hate to offer useless ideas on a topic way over my head. But are you 
sure enp4s1 is created by the OS??

Using opensuse there are 3 places to check hardware. First, kinfo is a 
kde app with basic hardware assignments. Second, YAST has a hardware 
scan module that lists most hardware assignments. And third, the YAST 
hardware module can be save in a text file, and that scan listing is 
quite complete.

Putting in a simple PCI serial 2 port card does not assign the first PCI 
port to ttyS0 and second to ttyS1 if you have no other ports. But it 
does scan each PCI slot and does do the plug and play PCI card info. And 
if there was an error scanning the PCI bus and card setup I would think 
that error world be generated first.

gregrwm wrote:
> two nics both setup as bridges work fine in centos6, second nic won't
> start on the same box in centos7.  i added HWADDR, removed udev rules,
> removed network manager, no luck, anyone know what's needed?:
>
>   #  ifup enp4s1
> ERROR     : [/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-eth] Device enp4s1 does
> not seem to be present, delaying initialization.
>
>   #  ip a
> 1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN qlen 1
>     link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
>     inet 127.0.0.1/8 <http://127.0.0.1/8> scope host lo
>        valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> 2: enp4s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq master
> br0 state UP qlen 1000
>     link/ether 00:e0:81:5c:a2:9e brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
> 3: br0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state
> UP qlen 1000
>     link/ether 00:e0:81:5c:a2:9e brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
>     inet foo.240.82.4/28 brd 209.240.82.15 scope global br0
>        valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
> 4: br1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state
> UNKNOWN qlen 1000
>     link/ether 1a:61:a1:72:b4:c6 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
>     inet 192.168.1.244/24 <http://192.168.1.244/24> brd 192.168.1.255
> scope global br1
>        valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
>
>  #  head -99 /e*/s*/n*/*{br,enp}*
> ==> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-br0 <==
> TYPE=Bridge
> DEVICE=br0
> ONBOOT=yes
> DELAY=0
> BOOTPROTO=static
>   NETMASK=255.255.255.240
>    IPADDR=foo.240.82.4
>   GATEWAY=foo.240.82.14
>
> ==> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-br1 <==
> TYPE=Bridge
> DEVICE=br1
> ONBOOT=yes
> DELAY=0
> NM_CONTROLLED=no
> BOOTPROTO=static
>   NETMASK=255.255.255.0
>    IPADDR=192.168.1.244
>
> ==> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-enp4s0 <==
> DEVICE=enp4s0
> ONBOOT=yes
> DELAY=0
> BRIDGE=br0
>
> ==> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-enp4s1 <==
> DEVICE=enp4s1
> HWADDR=00:e0:81:5c:a2:9d
> ONBOOT=yes
> DELAY=0
> NM_CONTROLLED=no
> BRIDGE=br1
> --
> this concludes test 42 of big bang inflation dynamics.  in the advent of
> an actual universe, further instructions will be provided.
> 000000000000000000000042
>
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From iznogoud at nobelware.com  Tue Oct 31 09:53:53 2017
From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 14:53:53 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] centos7 says second nic does not seem to be present
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Rick,
To avoid distribution-specific tools and to get consistent info, stick with the
standard: dmesg, lspci.

'dmesg' shortly after boot is money in the bank.

'/sbin/lspci' is the next thing to do. (The /sbin/ is needed so that it runs
by a regular user, i.e. when the /sbin directory is not in your path.)

And since I am at it, 'lsusb' you should also keep in mind.

If you need to load dynamic kernel modules to support hardware, then keep in
mind '/sbin/lsmod'


From eng at pinenet.com  Tue Oct 31 10:46:44 2017
From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 10:46:44 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] centos7 says second nic does not seem to be present
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Sure, but if you look into the YAST scan tool, at least for serial 
ports, it even tests what is actually connected to the port, like a 
serial mouse, etc. If nothing is connected, the scan knows it. I did a 
text search of the print and "tty" is checked from every angle.

Nothing wrong with advanced tools in an advanced era. That's my mindset 
this morning as I dispose of 50 ohm coax once used for ethernet and ISA 
jumper 4 port serial cards. All that plug and play info is used, with 
databases. In fact USB and PCI are based on it.

Iznogoud wrote:
> Rick,
> To avoid distribution-specific tools and to get consistent info, stick with the
> standard: dmesg, lspci.
>
> 'dmesg' shortly after boot is money in the bank.
>
> '/sbin/lspci' is the next thing to do. (The /sbin/ is needed so that it runs
> by a regular user, i.e. when the /sbin directory is not in your path.)
>
> And since I am at it, 'lsusb' you should also keep in mind.
>
> If you need to load dynamic kernel modules to support hardware, then keep in
> mind '/sbin/lsmod'
>
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