From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Sat Dec  1 17:55:18 2018
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2018 17:55:18 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] w not stopping at :
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9BcNcZFXjKdrxLXJnmeRek+ZzNC-VtdT62yVRJ=CMW52w@mail.gmail.com>

i have 2 vim buffers on screen at the moment,
in one, as usual, w stops at :
in the other, w doesn't stop at :
i've never seen that before.
is there some setting for that in vim?
i wonder how it happened
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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Thu Dec 13 07:20:08 2018
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 07:20:08 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] access former lvm
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9C3fy4-UXRx5CyFeskmycwdNbRA-_JU418XyCy_AmrNhQ@mail.gmail.com>

on one disc i have one side of an md raid1 set containing an lvm volume
from a prior centos7 install, and on another disc i have a fresh centos7
install.  the fresh install sees the partitions on the former disc, but
does not see the lvm volume there.  what's needed for it to see the former
lvm volume?
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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Thu Dec 13 12:01:14 2018
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 12:01:14 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] access former lvm
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9C3fy4-UXRx5CyFeskmycwdNbRA-_JU418XyCy_AmrNhQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9C3fy4-UXRx5CyFeskmycwdNbRA-_JU418XyCy_AmrNhQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9AZzFKpLFRB-KhcE747j8aWcAry64KBuYBaOUGZNH86CA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 7:20 AM gregrwm <tclug1 at whitleymott.net> wrote:

> on one disc i have one side of an md raid1 set containing an lvm volume
> from a prior centos7 install, and on another disc i have a fresh centos7
> install.  the fresh install sees the partitions on the former disc, but
> does not see the lvm volume there.  what's needed for it to see the former
> lvm volume?
>

cat /proc/mdstat
mdadm --run /dev/md4
mdadm --run /dev/md126

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From jpschewe at mtu.net  Sun Dec 16 19:54:54 2018
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 19:54:54 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Hosting options
Message-ID: <CALpcnoypthhP-OPP7=SKr5DzDe30FMbriX_D6YANksvvc=awtg@mail.gmail.com>

I've been hosting a server running mail, website, photo gallery, shell
access, as a VM with a friend's business for some time. Things are changing
and I need to find a new place to host the "server".  15 years ago I would
have had a physical server co-located at an ISP.  These days having a
virtual server seems the way to go.

I've started looking at Amazon, Linode and Digital Ocean. It looks like
Amazon and Digital Ocean are the best deal, but I'd like to hear from
others. Note that I'm not looking at a site like BlueHost or other web
hosting companies because I would like to maintain shell access and be able
to run long running processes like Jenkins.

Does anyone here have experience with a for this kind of hosting? Do you
have a recommendation?

Thank you
Jon

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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Sun Dec 16 20:24:32 2018
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 20:24:32 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Hosting options
In-Reply-To: <CALpcnoypthhP-OPP7=SKr5DzDe30FMbriX_D6YANksvvc=awtg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALpcnoypthhP-OPP7=SKr5DzDe30FMbriX_D6YANksvvc=awtg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1812162023090.4586@rooster>

I don't know if this is an option for you, but Comcast Business will 
happily sell you bandwidth, give you static IPs and allow you to run your 
own servers. It's not that much more expensive than non-business and 
actually has a support department that knows what they're doing.

On Sun, 16 Dec 2018, Jon Schewe wrote:

> I've been hosting a server running mail, website, photo gallery, shell
> access, as a VM with a friend's business for some time. Things are changing
> and I need to find a new place to host the "server".? 15 years ago I would
> have had a physical server co-located at an ISP.? These days having a
> virtual server seems the way to go.
> 
> I've started looking at Amazon, Linode and Digital Ocean. It looks like
> Amazon and Digital Ocean are the best deal, but I'd like to hear from
> others. Note that I'm not looking at a site like BlueHost or other web
> hosting companies because I would like to maintain shell access and be able
> to run long running processes like Jenkins.
> 
> Does anyone here have experience with a for this kind of hosting? Do you
> have a recommendation??
> 
> Thank you
> Jon
> 
> --
> http://mtu.net/~jpschewe
> 
> 
>

From trnja001 at umn.edu  Sun Dec 16 20:32:42 2018
From: trnja001 at umn.edu (Elvedin Trnjanin)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 20:32:42 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Hosting options
In-Reply-To: <CALpcnoypthhP-OPP7=SKr5DzDe30FMbriX_D6YANksvvc=awtg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALpcnoypthhP-OPP7=SKr5DzDe30FMbriX_D6YANksvvc=awtg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <304587FD-B8CA-4293-A556-CF797830C439@umn.edu>

Jon,

The $5 per month server from Digital Ocean can get you pretty far and you can find credits of up to $100 for new signups. It?s a great deal and DO been very reliable for me over the last 3 or so years. 



> On Dec 16, 2018, at 7:54 PM, Jon Schewe <jpschewe at mtu.net> wrote:
> 
> I've been hosting a server running mail, website, photo gallery, shell access, as a VM with a friend's business for some time. Things are changing and I need to find a new place to host the "server".  15 years ago I would have had a physical server co-located at an ISP.  These days having a virtual server seems the way to go.
> 
> I've started looking at Amazon, Linode and Digital Ocean. It looks like Amazon and Digital Ocean are the best deal, but I'd like to hear from others. Note that I'm not looking at a site like BlueHost or other web hosting companies because I would like to maintain shell access and be able to run long running processes like Jenkins.
> 
> Does anyone here have experience with a for this kind of hosting? Do you have a recommendation? 
> 
> Thank you
> Jon
> 
> -- 
> http://mtu.net/~jpschewe
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From jpschewe at mtu.net  Mon Dec 17 06:12:07 2018
From: jpschewe at mtu.net (Jon Schewe)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 06:12:07 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Hosting options
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1812162023090.4586@rooster>
References: <CALpcnoypthhP-OPP7=SKr5DzDe30FMbriX_D6YANksvvc=awtg@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.11.1812162023090.4586@rooster>
Message-ID: <CALpcnoxEUFMA+E+3mG-_3ZpvWGz3uwhzDi+THrnngDhU+0+NBA@mail.gmail.com>

That's an option I will consider as well. However the bandwidth for the
base business class is less than the residential. Also going with a VPS
provider, it seems that the hardware is automatically upgraded over time,
where using business class I'd need my own hardware.

On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 8:34 PM Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:

> I don't know if this is an option for you, but Comcast Business will
> happily sell you bandwidth, give you static IPs and allow you to run your
> own servers. It's not that much more expensive than non-business and
> actually has a support department that knows what they're doing.
>
> On Sun, 16 Dec 2018, Jon Schewe wrote:
>
> > I've been hosting a server running mail, website, photo gallery, shell
> > access, as a VM with a friend's business for some time. Things are
> changing
> > and I need to find a new place to host the "server".  15 years ago I
> would
> > have had a physical server co-located at an ISP.  These days having a
> > virtual server seems the way to go.
> >
> > I've started looking at Amazon, Linode and Digital Ocean. It looks like
> > Amazon and Digital Ocean are the best deal, but I'd like to hear from
> > others. Note that I'm not looking at a site like BlueHost or other web
> > hosting companies because I would like to maintain shell access and be
> able
> > to run long running processes like Jenkins.
> >
> > Does anyone here have experience with a for this kind of hosting? Do you
> > have a recommendation?
> >
> > Thank you
> > Jon
> >
> > --
> > http://mtu.net/~jpschewe
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 26 12:41:23 2018
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 12:41:23 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Flu shot
Message-ID: <CABWFOjvCrpecTtTOCd8xja8wZBsMBfS3yP0RnsGxB1OxQb615g@mail.gmail.com>

Shalom

Has anyone found a place to get a flu shot based on Flucelvax?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-16/flu-shot-gets-a-boost-from-dispensing-with-1940s-technology?srnd=premium

I got the old school flu shot in 2017.  A month or so later I
got the worst flu I've ever had -- it lasted 3 weeks.  Now it's
time for a real flu shot.  My duckduckgo.com fu hasn't turned
up a local provider.  Tia.


Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - Enjoying programming again.
http://webEbenezer.net
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Wed Dec 26 12:39:31 2018
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 12:39:31 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Flu shot
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjvCrpecTtTOCd8xja8wZBsMBfS3yP0RnsGxB1OxQb615g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABWFOjvCrpecTtTOCd8xja8wZBsMBfS3yP0RnsGxB1OxQb615g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1812261239030.5466@rooster>

Ok, you win Off-Topicest Post of the Year.

On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Brian Wood wrote:

> Shalom
> 
> Has anyone found a place to get a flu shot based on Flucelvax??
> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-16/flu-shot-gets-a-boost-fr
> om-dispensing-with-1940s-technology?srnd=premium
> 
> I got the old school flu shot in 2017.? A month or so later I
> got the worst flu I've ever had -- it lasted 3 weeks.? Now it's
> time for a real flu shot.? My duckduckgo.com fu hasn't turned
> up a local provider.? Tia.
> 
> 
> Brian
> Ebenezer Enterprises - Enjoying programming again.
> http://webEbenezer.net
> 
>

From eng at pinenet.com  Wed Dec 26 18:01:57 2018
From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 18:01:57 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Flu shot
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1812261239030.5466@rooster>
References: <CABWFOjvCrpecTtTOCd8xja8wZBsMBfS3yP0RnsGxB1OxQb615g@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.11.1812261239030.5466@rooster>
Message-ID: <30389d4b-750b-1b7b-0691-f09056f140bf@pinenet.com>

Yep, got my vote, too.

While I'm at it, a plug for Linux. These penguin months are great 
reading time. Been again reading Maurice Bach's great book "The Design 
of the Unix Operating System," 1986. Just today got a 1992 book, "X 
Window Inside and Out" by Reiss and Radin that finally helps me 
understand the client server concept. They brag about their 33MHz 486 PC 
with 8 MB memory.

I just don't get the younger generation. Peace, prosperity, opportunity, 
and linux.

Clug wrote:
> Ok, you win Off-Topicest Post of the Year.
>
> On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Brian Wood wrote:
>
>> Shalom
>>
>> Has anyone found a place to get a flu shot based on Flucelvax?
>> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-16/flu-shot-gets-a-boost-fr
>>
>> om-dispensing-with-1940s-technology?srnd=premium
>>
>> I got the old school flu shot in 2017.  A month or so later I
>> got the worst flu I've ever had -- it lasted 3 weeks.  Now it's
>> time for a real flu shot.  My duckduckgo.com fu hasn't turned
>> up a local provider.  Tia.
>>
>>
>> Brian
>> Ebenezer Enterprises - Enjoying programming again.
>> http://webEbenezer.net
>>
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From cncole at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 26 20:16:38 2018
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 21:16:38 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Flu shot
In-Reply-To: <30389d4b-750b-1b7b-0691-f09056f140bf@pinenet.com>
References: <CABWFOjvCrpecTtTOCd8xja8wZBsMBfS3yP0RnsGxB1OxQb615g@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.11.1812261239030.5466@rooster>
 <30389d4b-750b-1b7b-0691-f09056f140bf@pinenet.com>
Message-ID: <004e01d49d8a$3319e610$994db230$@net>

My flu shots are all 9mm.  Very effective!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
[mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]
> On Behalf Of Rick Engebretson
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 7:02 PM
> To: TCLUG Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Flu shot
> 
> Yep, got my vote, too.
> 
> While I'm at it, a plug for Linux. These penguin months are great
> reading time. Been again reading Maurice Bach's great book "The Design
> of the Unix Operating System," 1986. Just today got a 1992 book, "X
> Window Inside and Out" by Reiss and Radin that finally helps me
> understand the client server concept. They brag about their 33MHz 486 PC
> with 8 MB memory.
> 
> I just don't get the younger generation. Peace, prosperity, opportunity,
> and linux.
> 
> Clug wrote:
> > Ok, you win Off-Topicest Post of the Year.
> >
> > On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Brian Wood wrote:
> >
> >> Shalom
> >>
> >> Has anyone found a place to get a flu shot based on Flucelvax?
> >>
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-16/flu-shot-gets-a-boost-fr
> >>
> >> om-dispensing-with-1940s-technology?srnd=premium
> >>
> >> I got the old school flu shot in 2017.  A month or so later I
> >> got the worst flu I've ever had -- it lasted 3 weeks.  Now it's
> >> time for a real flu shot.  My duckduckgo.com fu hasn't turned
> >> up a local provider.  Tia.
> >>
> >>
> >> Brian
> >> Ebenezer Enterprises - Enjoying programming again.
> >> http://webEbenezer.net


From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Thu Dec 27 09:13:04 2018
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 09:13:04 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Flu shot
In-Reply-To: <004e01d49d8a$3319e610$994db230$@net>
References: <CABWFOjvCrpecTtTOCd8xja8wZBsMBfS3yP0RnsGxB1OxQb615g@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.11.1812261239030.5466@rooster>
 <30389d4b-750b-1b7b-0691-f09056f140bf@pinenet.com>
 <004e01d49d8a$3319e610$994db230$@net>
Message-ID: <CAJt84+PA62XGoRRc-xWOGML3j8mx0+cgQXsqySZRr9eguxD0qQ@mail.gmail.com>

I don't vaccinate my family. That's just irresponsible and ignores all the
risks that causes. I let the doctor do it.

On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 9:11 PM Chuck Cole <cncole at earthlink.net> wrote:

> My flu shots are all 9mm.  Very effective!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> [mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org]
> > On Behalf Of Rick Engebretson
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 7:02 PM
> > To: TCLUG Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Flu shot
> >
> > Yep, got my vote, too.
> >
> > While I'm at it, a plug for Linux. These penguin months are great
> > reading time. Been again reading Maurice Bach's great book "The Design
> > of the Unix Operating System," 1986. Just today got a 1992 book, "X
> > Window Inside and Out" by Reiss and Radin that finally helps me
> > understand the client server concept. They brag about their 33MHz 486 PC
> > with 8 MB memory.
> >
> > I just don't get the younger generation. Peace, prosperity, opportunity,
> > and linux.
> >
> > Clug wrote:
> > > Ok, you win Off-Topicest Post of the Year.
> > >
> > > On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Brian Wood wrote:
> > >
> > >> Shalom
> > >>
> > >> Has anyone found a place to get a flu shot based on Flucelvax?
> > >>
> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-16/flu-shot-gets-a-boost-fr
> > >>
> > >> om-dispensing-with-1940s-technology?srnd=premium
> > >>
> > >> I got the old school flu shot in 2017.  A month or so later I
> > >> got the worst flu I've ever had -- it lasted 3 weeks.  Now it's
> > >> time for a real flu shot.  My duckduckgo.com fu hasn't turned
> > >> up a local provider.  Tia.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Brian
> > >> Ebenezer Enterprises - Enjoying programming again.
> > >> http://webEbenezer.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>


-- 
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President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
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From zedlan at invec.net  Thu Dec 27 09:27:52 2018
From: zedlan at invec.net (zedlan)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 10:27:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [tclug-list] UNSUBSCRIBE
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References: <CABWFOjvCrpecTtTOCd8xja8wZBsMBfS3yP0RnsGxB1OxQb615g@mail.gmail.com>
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UNSUBSCRIBE

> On December 27, 2018 at 10:13 AM Jeff Chapin <chapinjeff at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>     I don't vaccinate my family. That's just irresponsible and ignores all the risks that causes. I let the doctor do it.
> 
>     On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 9:11 PM Chuck Cole < cncole at earthlink.net mailto:cncole at earthlink.net > wrote:
> 
>         > > My flu shots are all 9mm.  Very effective!
> > 
> >         > -----Original Message-----
> >         > From: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org
> >         [mailto: tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org mailto:tclug-list-bounces at mn-linux.org ]
> >         > On Behalf Of Rick Engebretson
> >         > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 7:02 PM
> >         > To: TCLUG Mailing List
> >         > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Flu shot
> >         >
> >         > Yep, got my vote, too.
> >         >
> >         > While I'm at it, a plug for Linux. These penguin months are great
> >         > reading time. Been again reading Maurice Bach's great book "The Design
> >         > of the Unix Operating System," 1986. Just today got a 1992 book, "X
> >         > Window Inside and Out" by Reiss and Radin that finally helps me
> >         > understand the client server concept. They brag about their 33MHz 486 PC
> >         > with 8 MB memory.
> >         >
> >         > I just don't get the younger generation. Peace, prosperity, opportunity,
> >         > and linux.
> >         >
> >         > Clug wrote:
> >         > > Ok, you win Off-Topicest Post of the Year.
> >         > >
> >         > > On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Brian Wood wrote:
> >         > >
> >         > >> Shalom
> >         > >>
> >         > >> Has anyone found a place to get a flu shot based on Flucelvax?
> >         > >>
> >         https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-16/flu-shot-gets-a-boost-fr
> >         > >>
> >         > >> om-dispensing-with-1940s-technology?srnd=premium
> >         > >>
> >         > >> I got the old school flu shot in 2017.  A month or so later I
> >         > >> got the worst flu I've ever had -- it lasted 3 weeks.  Now it's
> >         > >> time for a real flu shot.  Myhttp://duckduckgo.com fu hasn't turned
> >         > >> up a local provider.  Tia.
> >         > >>
> >         > >>
> >         > >> Brian
> >         > >> Ebenezer Enterprises - Enjoying programming again.
> >         > >> http://webEbenezer.net
> > 
> >         _______________________________________________
> >         TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >         tclug-list at mn-linux.org mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >         http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> > 
> >     > 
> 
>     --
>     Jeff Chapin
>     President, CedarLug, retired
>     President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
>     President, UNI Scuba Club
>     Senator, NISG, retired
>     _______________________________________________
>     TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>     tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>     http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From iznogoud at nobelware.com  Thu Dec 27 18:29:46 2018
From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 00:29:46 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] books (was "Flu shot")
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Great books to read, judging from the title. The 1992 book is post MIT's
Athena Project, so it may be a good one to read. I'd welcome a concise review
on this list.

I found this very brief whitepaper, which has some nice historical info:
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/73a5/99cf5e526d3499fa9748dfaf9bdd58a89e1f.pdf
The references include your book and the classic book on OSs by Tanenbaum.

There is a slight irony here regarding X. The stir is about Wayland, and how
it may be the new thing that replaces X:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_%28display_server_protocol%29
http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Features/Is-Wayland-the-New-X
But maybe this is old news, as I have not seen anything on my desk yet.

But what do I know...

From eng at pinenet.com  Thu Dec 27 23:03:37 2018
From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 23:03:37 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] books
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Sincere thanks again. Please allow me to throw out some concepts that 
recently seem interesting to me. Remember, I'm basically a sweaty stinky 
nature lover and pretend farmer. But the dirt really makes me cherish 
MPR Classical radio we get perfect out here. And hack Linux programming 
really allows me to pretend I'm still civilized.

As regards the X book, a nice picture shows the ancient separation of 
mainframe CPU/Memory/Storage running the Application called an "X 
Client." And the little "X Terminal" Display sat in front of the user 
and is called the "X Server." This is backwards from some other 
client/server arrangements, but certainly might make sense in creating 
eg. security cameras all displaying on one screen.

I didn't yet find a good explanation of "Graphics Context" in the book. 
Maybe later. But I would love to see some local Minnesota users of the 
open source XForms Library. Great documentation, all C code, built from 
Xlib alone. I backed myself into a corner making a FreePascal wrapper, 
locking in hard coded 32 bit pointers then used by Pascal Records to 
replace C Structures, and other data types. But the simple Pascal 
Records and Objects really clarified and fixed some demos and other 
things I tried.

Another thing I just did was a little demo using Local(Unix) sockets 
with type "SOCK_SEQPACKET," instead of streams. A very handy 
asynchronous and connection controlled recent Linux IPC. A first come 
first served queue of connect requests.

The answer I was looking for in the old Bach book I actually found in 
"Linux Programming by Example" by Kurt Wall. Using the "pipe" system 
call gives you 2 "file descriptors" pointing to "an in core inode" that 
must be created in the kernel itself.

Unix was engineered, and works like a symphony orchestra.

Iznogoud wrote:
> Great books to read, judging from the title. The 1992 book is post MIT's
> Athena Project, so it may be a good one to read. I'd welcome a concise review
> on this list.
>
> I found this very brief whitepaper, which has some nice historical info:
> https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/73a5/99cf5e526d3499fa9748dfaf9bdd58a89e1f.pdf
> The references include your book and the classic book on OSs by Tanenbaum.
>
> There is a slight irony here regarding X. The stir is about Wayland, and how
> it may be the new thing that replaces X:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayland_%28display_server_protocol%29
> http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Features/Is-Wayland-the-New-X
> But maybe this is old news, as I have not seen anything on my desk yet.
>
> But what do I know...
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From iznogoud at nobelware.com  Sat Dec 29 12:47:08 2018
From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2018 18:47:08 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] books
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Still sounds to me like you are living a pretty good life in the boonies.

A lot was discussed on USENET in the 90s and on webpages in early 2000s
about the "backwardness" of the X11 client/server terminology. My personal
understanding, and the best explanation I can provide to clear up confusion,
is that an X server "serves the display" to clients who want to "connect and
display on it." Remember, on Linux, the user sitting at the X server's display
does not even own the X server process. But to be clear, to do 3D acceleration
there are some devices that need to be owned by the user, and the starting of
the X session makes sure that ownership of those devices in /dev/ are handed
to the user. I am rusty on this, but it has been like that since the 90s. And
I just looked, and on my desktop right now I am the owner of /dev/xconsole.

Yup... It can confuse people; I can see that.

Your book probably has a much better high-level explanation of the graphics
context than I can provide. In a nutshell, all drawing happens through some
kind of graphics context, and there are separate graphics contexts for
different functionality. Programmatically, you just create the GC type that
you need and then you start using its resources. Not much to know here unless
you are diving deep into the X architecture, which is probably not worth your
time right now.

If you have got as far as hacking Pascal together with C for X11 client
applications, you are not exactly a n00b then...

Unix sockets are great, and simple to program. "Unidirectional pipes," which
is what you were talking about with those two file descriptors, I use all the
time for real-time applications that require communication across threads.
I use POSIX threads (always), and I make unidirectional pipes in order to
pass data across them instead of using shared memory and dealing with race
conditions. I put the output file descriptor of the unidirectional pipe in
a "select() monitoring state with a long timeout, and trap events as they
come, meaning one thread piping data to the other. It has never let me down.
But if anyone has a better method, I am dying to hear it.

> 
> Unix was engineered, and works like a symphony orchestra.
>

The fact that so much was ported to Linux/BSD from modern, desktop-use driven,
single-user oriented platforms (like Windows) is a testament to an excellent
OS architecture. Some old American programmers in the 70s can stand proudly.

OK. We steered this thread sufficiently far away from flu-shots, and I feel
good about that.


From eng at pinenet.com  Sat Dec 29 13:53:28 2018
From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2018 13:53:28 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] books
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Always a pleasure, thanks.

I won't take credit for the Pascal wrapper of XForms. I just updated and 
cleaned up some FreePascal stuff for my use. I did notice the latest 
XForms was even better than 10 years ago. The Image library component of 
XForms is also worth mentioning, since it gives you a direct mapping to 
the screen.

You are right "OK. We steered this thread sufficiently far away from 
flu-shots, and I feel good about that." My wife and I moved here from 
the U of M when we had children in the early 80s. I don't know how else 
to avoid the drug carnage, but the hillbilly culture is also dead end. 
My engineer daughter's wedding was at the JJHill library in St. Paul, 
with some password of "books." Her new father-in-law is a 75y/o 
Paleontology professor in Lubbock, Texas who now seriously questions 
Darwin because he is studying modern Biophysics of genetics and cell 
biology.

Thanks for helping hold civilization together. We can't afford to lose it.

Iznogoud wrote:
> Still sounds to me like you are living a pretty good life in the boonies.
>
> A lot was discussed on USENET in the 90s and on webpages in early 2000s
> about the "backwardness" of the X11 client/server terminology. My personal
> understanding, and the best explanation I can provide to clear up confusion,
> is that an X server "serves the display" to clients who want to "connect and
> display on it." Remember, on Linux, the user sitting at the X server's display
> does not even own the X server process. But to be clear, to do 3D acceleration
> there are some devices that need to be owned by the user, and the starting of
> the X session makes sure that ownership of those devices in /dev/ are handed
> to the user. I am rusty on this, but it has been like that since the 90s. And
> I just looked, and on my desktop right now I am the owner of /dev/xconsole.
>
> Yup... It can confuse people; I can see that.
>
> Your book probably has a much better high-level explanation of the graphics
> context than I can provide. In a nutshell, all drawing happens through some
> kind of graphics context, and there are separate graphics contexts for
> different functionality. Programmatically, you just create the GC type that
> you need and then you start using its resources. Not much to know here unless
> you are diving deep into the X architecture, which is probably not worth your
> time right now.
>
> If you have got as far as hacking Pascal together with C for X11 client
> applications, you are not exactly a n00b then...
>
> Unix sockets are great, and simple to program. "Unidirectional pipes," which
> is what you were talking about with those two file descriptors, I use all the
> time for real-time applications that require communication across threads.
> I use POSIX threads (always), and I make unidirectional pipes in order to
> pass data across them instead of using shared memory and dealing with race
> conditions. I put the output file descriptor of the unidirectional pipe in
> a "select() monitoring state with a long timeout, and trap events as they
> come, meaning one thread piping data to the other. It has never let me down.
> But if anyone has a better method, I am dying to hear it.
>
>>
>> Unix was engineered, and works like a symphony orchestra.
>>
>
> The fact that so much was ported to Linux/BSD from modern, desktop-use driven,
> single-user oriented platforms (like Windows) is a testament to an excellent
> OS architecture. Some old American programmers in the 70s can stand proudly.
>
> OK. We steered this thread sufficiently far away from flu-shots, and I feel
> good about that.
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From bunjee50 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 29 14:03:28 2018
From: bunjee50 at gmail.com (Danny Johnson)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2018 14:03:28 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] change password
Message-ID: <CANa+X+v175fJUbDkGzq31aNWdvYFt-ujU1wygjxeiW6fA97hHA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello!
I can't get in to my terminal because it will not recognize my password.
I am using Ubuntu 18.04.
All was well then - BAMM!!!
Really frustrating.
Please advise.

Dan J.
Newbie
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From iznogoud at nobelware.com  Sat Dec 29 15:44:18 2018
From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2018 21:44:18 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] change password
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The simplest procedure is to boot from an installation medium, "live CD" or
anything like that, find the partition where the system is installed, and
change the hash of the password to a blank. You are looking for the file
"/etc/shadow" in one of those partitions. It should be easy to mount the
partition; look up instructions online.

Edit the file with your favourite editor. Make the second field blank. It is
the one after your username, and fields are separated by a colon.

When you reboot from the regular drive as usual, you can login without a
password.


From bunjee50 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 29 15:59:10 2018
From: bunjee50 at gmail.com (Danny Johnson)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2018 15:59:10 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] change password
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You're explaining something to me that I don't understand.
In particular...........

"find the partition where the system is installed, and
change the hash of the password to a blank. You are looking for the file
"/etc/shadow" in one of those partitions."

Can you please be much more specific? Remember -
you are talking to a newbie - a real newbie!
Don't know what a hash is especially one to a blank.
I just don't understand why this happened anyway.
Can you explain that?


On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 3:44 PM Iznogoud <iznogoud at nobelware.com> wrote:

> The simplest procedure is to boot from an installation medium, "live CD" or
> anything like that, find the partition where the system is installed, and
> change the hash of the password to a blank. You are looking for the file
> "/etc/shadow" in one of those partitions. It should be easy to mount the
> partition; look up instructions online.
>
> Edit the file with your favourite editor. Make the second field blank. It
> is
> the one after your username, and fields are separated by a colon.
>
> When you reboot from the regular drive as usual, you can login without a
> password.
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From iznogoud at nobelware.com  Sat Dec 29 19:39:17 2018
From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2018 19:39:17 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] change password
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Oh... OK, this is going to be hard, but I will try.

I do not know why that happened to you. Please provide distribution name
and version so that somebody who uses that can help you if I fail.

When you boot with a live CD, which is what I saw you should do, just like
installing a brand new system, you can do a lot of non-traditional things.
What I recommend is that you escape to a shell, as in, a bash or something
like it, that the live CD can provide. Then, type some commands from there.
If the live CD does not have a graphical interface that makes it clear how
to bring up a shell, just type CTRL+[LEFT ALT]+F1 and see if it gets you to
a console. Hit RETURN a few times. If there is a login there, enter "root"
and it should log you in. Now we are ready for some commands.

You can use "fdisk" or "partd" to query the partitions on a disk. It will
typically be /dev/sda for you, as in the first SATA/IDE drive on the system.
Look up online how to use fdisk or partd. It should be able to list the
partitions. Chances are that either /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda2 will be a system
partition, with all the directory structure in it. You will find out how to
"mount" a partition to a temporary mount-point. It should be something like
'mount /dev/sda1 /mnt'
and it will give you access to the entire filesystem under the /mnt
directory on the live-booted system.

Now edit, with an editor like "vi" "vim" or the like, the file:
"/mnt/etc/shadow"
Look online for how to use an editor like "vi" or similar. Be patient, it
will not be easy at first, but it should work. All you have to do is remove
the garbage that will be after your username of the line in the file that
contains it. It will look like this:

danny:kjhsjkhahakjshdfkh::::::

Make it look like:

danny:::::::

where you have two consecutive colons after "danny" which implies an empty
password.

Reboot the regular system and just log in without a password.


From 42dch42 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 30 19:49:42 2018
From: 42dch42 at gmail.com (harv)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 19:49:42 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 168, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3124.1546133970.1941.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
References: <mailman.3124.1546133970.1941.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
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Sat, 29 Dec 2018 19:39:30 -0600
> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2018 14:03:28 -0600
> From: Danny Johnson <bunjee50 at gmail.com>
> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: [tclug-list] change password
> Message-ID:
> 	<CANa+X+v175fJUbDkGzq31aNWdvYFt-ujU1wygjxeiW6fA97hHA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Hello!
> I can't get in to my terminal because it will not recognize my password.
> I am using Ubuntu 18.04.
> All was well then - BAMM!!!
> Really frustrating.
> Please advise.
> 
> Dan J.
> Newbie

I don't use ubuntu but this has worked on every other distro I have
used.
You could try this.
At the grub boot menu you should see:

Ubuntu
Ubuntu Advanced Options

Look under Advanced options for 'single user mode' or 'recovery console'
or similar. If available boot into that and skip down to "You should
now be in a console..."

If one of those is not available then go back to main menu and type e
to edit command line.
Look for line starting with either 'linux' or 'kernel' and add this to
end of line:

init=/bin/sh

then allow to boot.

You should now be in a console with a prompt.
Type mount
Look for line in output that says:
/dev/sda* on / ... (rw ...)
or
<uuid on> / ... (rw ...)  <- uuid looks like random characters

The important part here is the (rw ...) part. If it says 'ro' instead
of 'rw' you'll have to remount the file system as writable

mount -o remount,rw /

Then type

vi /etc/shadow

If vi is not available try vim.
Look for line with your user name and use arrow keys to put cursor
under first character in second field

dan:jflsjfljfslleie:::
       ^
then use the 'x' key to delete everything to next colon.
type
:wq
to exit vi/vim

Reboot
Login with no password  and then set a new one.

hth

From gsker at skerbitz.org  Sun Dec 30 21:08:32 2018
From: gsker at skerbitz.org (gerry)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 21:08:32 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 168, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <5c2975ba.1c69fb81.9d1d.4328@mx.google.com>
References: <mailman.3124.1546133970.1941.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
 <5c2975ba.1c69fb81.9d1d.4328@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1812302034100.19075@skerbitz.org>

I'm pretty sure I read an email from Danny saying he/she was a noob.
I can't find a tclug list archive to verify that, though....

At the very least we should not ask a novice user to use vim to mess with a
shadow file. That's just brutal.

If the command
    mount -o rw,remount /

works for them, then the user can just run
    passwd danny
to change the password for the "danny" user.

Here's a perfect video:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3rbpR9uuHA

Gerry



--
gsker at skerbitz.org

On Sun, 30 Dec 2018, harv wrote:

>
> Sat, 29 Dec 2018 19:39:30 -0600
>> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2018 14:03:28 -0600
>> From: Danny Johnson <bunjee50 at gmail.com>
>> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>> Subject: [tclug-list] change password
>> Message-ID:
>> 	<CANa+X+v175fJUbDkGzq31aNWdvYFt-ujU1wygjxeiW6fA97hHA at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Hello!
>> I can't get in to my terminal because it will not recognize my password.
>> I am using Ubuntu 18.04.
>> All was well then - BAMM!!!
>> Really frustrating.
>> Please advise.
>>
>> Dan J.
>> Newbie
>
> I don't use ubuntu but this has worked on every other distro I have
> used.
> You could try this.
> At the grub boot menu you should see:
>
> Ubuntu
> Ubuntu Advanced Options
>
> Look under Advanced options for 'single user mode' or 'recovery console'
> or similar. If available boot into that and skip down to "You should
> now be in a console..."
>
> If one of those is not available then go back to main menu and type e
> to edit command line.
> Look for line starting with either 'linux' or 'kernel' and add this to
> end of line:
>
> init=/bin/sh
>
> then allow to boot.
>
> You should now be in a console with a prompt.
> Type mount
> Look for line in output that says:
> /dev/sda* on / ... (rw ...)
> or
> <uuid on> / ... (rw ...)  <- uuid looks like random characters
>
> The important part here is the (rw ...) part. If it says 'ro' instead
> of 'rw' you'll have to remount the file system as writable
>
> mount -o remount,rw /
>
> Then type
>
> vi /etc/shadow
>
> If vi is not available try vim.
> Look for line with your user name and use arrow keys to put cursor
> under first character in second field
>
> dan:jflsjfljfslleie:::
>       ^
> then use the 'x' key to delete everything to next colon.
> type
> :wq
> to exit vi/vim
>
> Reboot
> Login with no password  and then set a new one.
>
> hth
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From iznogoud at nobelware.com  Mon Dec 31 12:16:21 2018
From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 18:16:21 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 168, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1812302034100.19075@skerbitz.org>
References: <mailman.3124.1546133970.1941.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
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Message-ID: <20181231181621.GB5243@nobelware.com>

> 
> At the very least we should not ask a novice user to use vim to mess with a
> shadow file. That's just brutal.
>

I read this and smiled. So many things wrong with this and on so many levels!

 
> If the command
>    mount -o rw,remount /
> 
> works for them, then the user can just run
>    passwd danny
> to change the password for the "danny" user.
> 

Superuser privilleges assumed for all the above. Now one needs only explain
to a novice user how to get that...


From gsker at skerbitz.org  Mon Dec 31 18:02:46 2018
From: gsker at skerbitz.org (gerry)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 18:02:46 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 168, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <20181231181621.GB5243@nobelware.com>
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The rescue prompt gives you superuser -- as demonstrated in the video.

Funny. (pironically)
The user hasn't come back with new questions so they probably gave up and re-installed. :-)

I dug into how someone might do this from the LiveDVD while doing as much as 
possible without the command line.

I couldn't even mount the drive in that interface without the terminal.

On Mon, 31 Dec 2018, Iznogoud wrote:

>>
>> At the very least we should not ask a novice user to use vim to mess with a
>> shadow file. That's just brutal.
>>
>
> I read this and smiled. So many things wrong with this and on so many levels!
>
>
>> If the command
>>    mount -o rw,remount /
>>
>> works for them, then the user can just run
>>    passwd danny
>> to change the password for the "danny" user.
>>
>
> Superuser privilleges assumed for all the above. Now one needs only explain
> to a novice user how to get that...
>
>