From o1bigtenor at gmail.com  Fri Feb  2 07:21:48 2018
From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 07:21:48 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] debian upgrade problems
Message-ID: <CAPpdf5-WOvmjoCOZSdjGS3tnOv9EHaLqOUJAv=dYDFbOVNbA+w@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings

I am unable to resolve the present mess so I'm asking questions to see if
there is news (have looked using both duckduck and ms google (who insisted
in opening porn website when I clicked on the proffered links) and haven't
found anything useful.

Early last evening I did my $ apt update and was told that I had about 240+
packages in my Debian buster (10 or testing) system that were needing
upgrading. So just before I'm headed out the door for an evening meeting I
start the process (my high-speed access, being rural, is just a lot short
of quick!). Got home too timed and so went to bed without check the
computer status. This morning, I log information on a lot of things
starting right from wakeup, I go to enter the first bits of stuff and see
some kind of notice re: apparmor blah blah I read it (ddin't really think
much about it either sorry) and hit q for the notice to go away and the
install to start happening. Well after this is completed I check using $
dpkg -l | egrep ^ii to see how things went. Well - - - I have a huge list
conprising most of any useful package that is listed as ii - - -
incompletely installed and incompletely configured. I picked an innocuous
packages youtube-dl and tried to use $ apt install --reinstall youtube-dl.
Usually this clears this incomplete issue - - - but not this time.

Is my system now set up for a huge crash?
What can I do, or better, what should I do the 'fix' this miasma?

TIA

Dee
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From nassarmu at gmail.com  Fri Feb  2 11:15:53 2018
From: nassarmu at gmail.com (Munir Nassar)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 11:15:53 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] debian upgrade problems
In-Reply-To: <CAPpdf5-WOvmjoCOZSdjGS3tnOv9EHaLqOUJAv=dYDFbOVNbA+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPpdf5-WOvmjoCOZSdjGS3tnOv9EHaLqOUJAv=dYDFbOVNbA+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKpMjPijwjD9bxCS3jwWt+TChWqwLWj4LZAk_9XDDqadPaoAXA@mail.gmail.com>

you can tell apt to try and fix install using "apt -f install", i should go
back to where it had trouble installing and ask questions again.

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 7:21 AM, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor at gmail.com> wrote:

> Greetings
>
> I am unable to resolve the present mess so I'm asking questions to see if
> there is news (have looked using both duckduck and ms google (who insisted
> in opening porn website when I clicked on the proffered links) and haven't
> found anything useful.
>
> Early last evening I did my $ apt update and was told that I had about
> 240+ packages in my Debian buster (10 or testing) system that were needing
> upgrading. So just before I'm headed out the door for an evening meeting I
> start the process (my high-speed access, being rural, is just a lot short
> of quick!). Got home too timed and so went to bed without check the
> computer status. This morning, I log information on a lot of things
> starting right from wakeup, I go to enter the first bits of stuff and see
> some kind of notice re: apparmor blah blah I read it (ddin't really think
> much about it either sorry) and hit q for the notice to go away and the
> install to start happening. Well after this is completed I check using $
> dpkg -l | egrep ^ii to see how things went. Well - - - I have a huge list
> conprising most of any useful package that is listed as ii - - -
> incompletely installed and incompletely configured. I picked an innocuous
> packages youtube-dl and tried to use $ apt install --reinstall youtube-dl.
> Usually this clears this incomplete issue - - - but not this time.
>
> Is my system now set up for a huge crash?
> What can I do, or better, what should I do the 'fix' this miasma?
>
> TIA
>
> Dee
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From o1bigtenor at gmail.com  Fri Feb  2 11:26:24 2018
From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 11:26:24 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] debian upgrade problems
In-Reply-To: <CAKpMjPijwjD9bxCS3jwWt+TChWqwLWj4LZAk_9XDDqadPaoAXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPpdf5-WOvmjoCOZSdjGS3tnOv9EHaLqOUJAv=dYDFbOVNbA+w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAKpMjPijwjD9bxCS3jwWt+TChWqwLWj4LZAk_9XDDqadPaoAXA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPpdf5_fep2f6nTQ3HoxSRPd1zt+WT-xQ4O3z7_mDzdXydB08g@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 11:15 AM, Munir Nassar <nassarmu at gmail.com> wrote:

> you can tell apt to try and fix install using "apt -f install", i should
> go back to where it had trouble installing and ask questions again.
>

Except that I wasn't install all the software in question. I was doing $
apt upgrade.

That's not quite the same thing.

(In fact - - - just tried that - - - no joy.

Thanks for the idea though!!

Dee

>
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 7:21 AM, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Greetings
>>
>> I am unable to resolve the present mess so I'm asking questions to see if
>> there is news (have looked using both duckduck and ms google (who insisted
>> in opening porn website when I clicked on the proffered links) and haven't
>> found anything useful.
>>
>> Early last evening I did my $ apt update and was told that I had about
>> 240+ packages in my Debian buster (10 or testing) system that were needing
>> upgrading. So just before I'm headed out the door for an evening meeting I
>> start the process (my high-speed access, being rural, is just a lot short
>> of quick!). Got home too timed and so went to bed without check the
>> computer status. This morning, I log information on a lot of things
>> starting right from wakeup, I go to enter the first bits of stuff and see
>> some kind of notice re: apparmor blah blah I read it (ddin't really think
>> much about it either sorry) and hit q for the notice to go away and the
>> install to start happening. Well after this is completed I check using $
>> dpkg -l | egrep ^ii to see how things went. Well - - - I have a huge list
>> conprising most of any useful package that is listed as ii - - -
>> incompletely installed and incompletely configured. I picked an innocuous
>> packages youtube-dl and tried to use $ apt install --reinstall youtube-dl.
>> Usually this clears this incomplete issue - - - but not this time.
>>
>> Is my system now set up for a huge crash?
>> What can I do, or better, what should I do the 'fix' this miasma?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Dee
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
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From andrew at lunn.ch  Fri Feb  2 12:21:10 2018
From: andrew at lunn.ch (Andrew Lunn)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 19:21:10 +0100
Subject: [tclug-list] debian upgrade problems
In-Reply-To: <CAPpdf5-WOvmjoCOZSdjGS3tnOv9EHaLqOUJAv=dYDFbOVNbA+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPpdf5-WOvmjoCOZSdjGS3tnOv9EHaLqOUJAv=dYDFbOVNbA+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20180202182110.GK16818@lunn.ch>

>  Well after this is completed I check using $
> dpkg -l | egrep ^ii to see how things went. Well - - - I have a huge list
> conprising most of any useful package that is listed as ii - - -
> incompletely installed and incompletely configured.

ii does not mean that.

https://linuxprograms.wordpress.com/2010/05/11/status-dpkg-list/

http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/dpkg-query.1.html

The first i means action Install
The second i means status Installed.

Nothing to worry about.

	Andrew

From o1bigtenor at gmail.com  Fri Feb  2 17:26:48 2018
From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 17:26:48 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] debian upgrade problems
In-Reply-To: <20180202182110.GK16818@lunn.ch>
References: <CAPpdf5-WOvmjoCOZSdjGS3tnOv9EHaLqOUJAv=dYDFbOVNbA+w@mail.gmail.com>
 <20180202182110.GK16818@lunn.ch>
Message-ID: <CAPpdf5-d1kt4DDGXQhdaNgiZG3ModPFaOoFYqJjHf_9sgnrABA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:21 PM, Andrew Lunn <andrew at lunn.ch> wrote:

> >  Well after this is completed I check using $
> > dpkg -l | egrep ^ii to see how things went. Well - - - I have a huge list
> > conprising most of any useful package that is listed as ii - - -
> > incompletely installed and incompletely configured.
>
> ii does not mean that.
>
> https://linuxprograms.wordpress.com/2010/05/11/status-dpkg-list/
>
> http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/dpkg-query.1.html
>
> The first i means action Install
> The second i means status Installed.
>
> Nothing to worry about.
>

Greetings

THANK YOU!!!

Other times my query would result in stuff that I had to re-install or
re-configure.

I most often don't look for man pages because I find that they are written
largely
as reminders for those that do know what they are doing. There is only very
rarely
an example and never yet have I seen included what to do when an error is
thrown.
So man pages are great for experts but for those of us who predominantly
'use' the
stuff - - - well they are like trying to read Sanskrit using a Russian
dictionary!

Dee
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From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Sun Feb  4 15:46:26 2018
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 15:46:26 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Xfoo keydupe voodoo
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9BnjLhoU7pZrMB_H8b=xOe9Dnkw6rTfXuOwdeG8q006Rw@mail.gmail.com>

the puppies are now big enough to reach the keyboard, and thereby evoke
some interesting new revelations/curiosities.  they must have hit
capslock.  i typed xt but got XT, an alias for starting X and then with
WINDOW_MANAGER=twm in the environment starting gnome-session.  not so many
years ago when i made that alias it would start a new X session in a new
virtual terminal.  today it seems it causes the current X session to
disappear for awhile, and for my console to participate in multiple
realities.  there i was looking at the xenial/systemd messages leftover
from bootup, and a getty login invitation.  i tried all the VTs.  no X
session.  so i selected tty3 and logged in.  and (re)invoked tmux.  imagine
my surprise as i stare at the tmux window and see an alternate reality
version of what just transpired.  when i typed XT, X had immediately
disappeared as i just described.  now in front of me is the tmux window
where i'd typed XT, and the output i hadn't had a chance to see:

$ XT
trying :0
trying :1
[1] 22536
[1]+  Exit 1                  X -noreset -dpi 81 :$x 2>> /tmp/X$x.$$.err
[1] 22538
-bash: WINDOW_MANAGER=twm: command not found
[1]+  Exit 127                DISPLAY=:$x "$@"

ok whatever...but wait, what's next?  next i see my username, password, and
tmux invocation, as if entered as commands in this (tmux) window!  my
username, happens also to be an alias, and i see the output from invoking
it.  my password...command not found.  tb (the alias i used to invoke
tmux)...[detached (from session 0)]

!!WTF??

of course i was already up late and was just about to shutdown and go to
bed, but waait, can't shutdown now, this is too bizarre and curious!  so i
just leave it on, grab my phone, connect via ssh, re-invoke tmux, and
compose a bit in vim.  and drop off to sleep.  well in the morning, wake up
the screen, and voila, there's my old X session, i guess it was tired too,
just needed a good night's sleep...(or time to catchup with
new-version-of-firefox megabloat induced megathrashing)

but...what?  in the xterm where i'd originally invoked tmux, i see
[detached (from session 0)] (ok, no surprise there) followed by all the
keystrokes i'd entered while composing in vim, switching amongst tmux
windows, entering commands, et al, as if all also entered as commands at
the bash prompt, with mostly command not found responses, in this
(detached!) xterm!

!!WTF??

i still haven't shut down, and i've kept that xterm, nothing further is
appearing in it, or the voodoo tmux window either, and things are working
fine now...!  i guess voodoo only happens late at night...but the bizarre
evidence is still here...
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Tue Feb  6 00:18:40 2018
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 00:18:40 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Archiving a website for legal issue (not my site)
Message-ID: <C4E4EA9E-17DA-491E-AAEF-D576FC18F78E@cwis.biz>

I have a few customers that have use of my content (with explicitly stated licensing) that are in violation of said licensing.
In order to document the violation I need to download the entire website to document the extent of the violations ? but the website is drawn entirely in the DOM from JavaScript so none of my normal pursuits will work.
I need to download the ENTIRE website to sort through it to see what I need to catalog and provide to my counsel. And since it has to render that eliminates the normal players like wget and cUrl.

Any ideas? PhantomJS showed promise but I don?t think I can get it to do exactly what I need. Going through and saving upwards of 5,000 pages manually isn?t exactly appealing, either? 

Thanks!

?
Ryan

From o1bigtenor at gmail.com  Tue Feb  6 06:04:20 2018
From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 06:04:20 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Archiving a website for legal issue (not my site)
In-Reply-To: <C4E4EA9E-17DA-491E-AAEF-D576FC18F78E@cwis.biz>
References: <C4E4EA9E-17DA-491E-AAEF-D576FC18F78E@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <CAPpdf5-9fABBWAXumDZLTKsmBqV5_qvVMDe1aGpBQ+Hz2L9Zcw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 12:18 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:

> I have a few customers that have use of my content (with explicitly stated
> licensing) that are in violation of said licensing.
> In order to document the violation I need to download the entire website
> to document the extent of the violations ? but the website is drawn
> entirely in the DOM from JavaScript so none of my normal pursuits will work.
> I need to download the ENTIRE website to sort through it to see what I
> need to catalog and provide to my counsel. And since it has to render that
> eliminates the normal players like wget and cUrl.
>
> Any ideas? PhantomJS showed promise but I don?t think I can get it to do
> exactly what I need. Going through and saving upwards of 5,000 pages
> manually isn?t exactly
>

I'm not sure if it will do this but have you looked at Bluefish?

Dee
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From andrew at lunn.ch  Tue Feb  6 07:03:24 2018
From: andrew at lunn.ch (Andrew Lunn)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 14:03:24 +0100
Subject: [tclug-list] Archiving a website for legal issue (not my site)
In-Reply-To: <C4E4EA9E-17DA-491E-AAEF-D576FC18F78E@cwis.biz>
References: <C4E4EA9E-17DA-491E-AAEF-D576FC18F78E@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <20180206130324.GC25595@lunn.ch>

On Tue, Feb 06, 2018 at 12:18:40AM -0600, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> I have a few customers that have use of my content (with explicitly stated licensing) that are in violation of said licensing.
> In order to document the violation I need to download the entire website to document the extent of the violations ???

Has the Internet Archive, https://archive.org/ take a copy of the
sites?

	Andrew

From iznogoud at nobelware.com  Tue Feb  6 11:30:57 2018
From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 17:30:57 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] Archiving a website for legal issue (not my site)
In-Reply-To: <20180206130324.GC25595@lunn.ch>
References: <C4E4EA9E-17DA-491E-AAEF-D576FC18F78E@cwis.biz>
 <20180206130324.GC25595@lunn.ch>
Message-ID: <20180206173056.GA14132@nobelware.com>

> 
> Has the Internet Archive, https://archive.org/ take a copy of the
> sites?
>

In the same spirit as this, have you considered some non-traditional and less
essoteric methods? For instance, start a window or screen recording of a VM
that is browing the site, and act as if the subject/user visiting the site.
Then, upload the video to youtube in a private link. Or, take the file and
PGP/GPG encrypt it, sign it and extract either a hash or a fingerprint and
send that to an email account held by a third party, say Gmail.

I believe that if you ever get into littigation against anyone, it would be
best to have your evidence held by a third party. And by evidence we must
include the timestamp, which seems to be a key piece of information. In both
cases I mentioned a third party holds that; in the former it is the youtube
upload date and in the latter the received date of the email held by gmail.
You can involve a fourth party, like a Yahoo account, if needed.

This can all be done with the help of an attorney acting as a leagal third
party, but it will not be as free as an email with the fingerprint.

I use the second method all the time for scanned hand-written documents and
other such items.


From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Tue Feb  6 11:46:32 2018
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 11:46:32 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Archiving a website for legal issue (not my site)
In-Reply-To: <20180206173056.GA14132@nobelware.com>
References: <C4E4EA9E-17DA-491E-AAEF-D576FC18F78E@cwis.biz>
 <20180206130324.GC25595@lunn.ch> <20180206173056.GA14132@nobelware.com>
Message-ID: <CAJt84+Pf+2Mvpmt_+sGPnb+=vP11OEiy34cH5c7sohvEwzHx1g@mail.gmail.com>

I have even heard of people taking out a classified ad in a newspaper to
publish the md5sum (or any other hashing key) in the newspaper as a way to
prove that something was created/occurred prior to the published date.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Iznogoud <iznogoud at nobelware.com> wrote:

> >
> > Has the Internet Archive, https://archive.org/ take a copy of the
> > sites?
> >
>
> In the same spirit as this, have you considered some non-traditional and
> less
> essoteric methods? For instance, start a window or screen recording of a VM
> that is browing the site, and act as if the subject/user visiting the site.
> Then, upload the video to youtube in a private link. Or, take the file and
> PGP/GPG encrypt it, sign it and extract either a hash or a fingerprint and
> send that to an email account held by a third party, say Gmail.
>
> I believe that if you ever get into littigation against anyone, it would be
> best to have your evidence held by a third party. And by evidence we must
> include the timestamp, which seems to be a key piece of information. In
> both
> cases I mentioned a third party holds that; in the former it is the youtube
> upload date and in the latter the received date of the email held by gmail.
> You can involve a fourth party, like a Yahoo account, if needed.
>
> This can all be done with the help of an attorney acting as a leagal third
> party, but it will not be as free as an email with the fingerprint.
>
> I use the second method all the time for scanned hand-written documents and
> other such items.
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>



-- 
Jeff Chapin
President, CedarLug, retired
President, UNIPC, "I'll get around to it"
President, UNI Scuba Club
Senator, NISG, retired
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Tue Feb  6 22:10:05 2018
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 22:10:05 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Archiving a website for legal issue (not my site)
In-Reply-To: <CAPpdf5-9fABBWAXumDZLTKsmBqV5_qvVMDe1aGpBQ+Hz2L9Zcw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C4E4EA9E-17DA-491E-AAEF-D576FC18F78E@cwis.biz>
 <CAPpdf5-9fABBWAXumDZLTKsmBqV5_qvVMDe1aGpBQ+Hz2L9Zcw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C75E9959-6E4B-4FEE-8C75-8F90DCB0181E@cwis.biz>

I have not.

I ended up checking the 150 or so records I had against the website of one so far? that was fairly fruitful and I am going to be sitting down with my lawyer this weekend to present him with what I have and discuss our legal options.

I know this particular situation is no unique - I had a script from years ago that would log the Google hits on my queries and I am working on bringing that back up so I can continue to dig in. I take my copyright very seriously. 

Sigh.

As for Archive.org <http://archive.org/> that doesn?t help when it doesn?t actually parse the Javascript - it just stores it.

> On Feb 6, 2018, at 6:04 AM, o1bigtenor <o1bigtenor at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm not sure if it will do this but have you looked at Bluefish?
> 
> Dee 

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From carl.soderstrom at real-time.com  Wed Feb 14 08:42:09 2018
From: carl.soderstrom at real-time.com (Carl W. Soderstrom)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 09:42:09 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Recommended RAID controller for Linux?
Message-ID: <20180214144208.5mcsgpy72fnohy7k@real-time.com>

Some years ago, 3ware made good-quality RAID controllers which had good
Linux drivers, and didn't cost too much money. Unfortunately they've been
bought out and while they're still available, the product line is stagnant.

What do people recommend for a hardware RAID controller for desktops and
small servers these days? Ideally something which:

* Handles drives of modern size and speed.
* Has a non-vile CLI management interface (MegaCLI I'm looking at you).
* Has a Nagios monitoring plugin which works reasonably well.
* Ideally in the case of a Linux desktop would pop up a little warning
  saying "one of your drives has died".

-- 
Carl Soderstrom
Systems Administrator
Real-Time Enterprises
www.real-time.com

From carl.soderstrom at real-time.com  Wed Feb 14 12:23:40 2018
From: carl.soderstrom at real-time.com (Carl W. Soderstrom)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:23:40 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Recommended RAID controller for Linux?
In-Reply-To: <740c1c7c-7cc2-bc5f-42fa-f054dd3cf912@e-skinner.net>
References: <20180214144208.5mcsgpy72fnohy7k@real-time.com>
 <740c1c7c-7cc2-bc5f-42fa-f054dd3cf912@e-skinner.net>
Message-ID: <20180214182339.7pgajix2ulcqxude@real-time.com>

On 02/14 09:54 , Marc Skinner wrote:
> I have used raid and jbod cards from High-Point for 8 years or so. They have
> both CLI and webconsoles.  They have a variety of price points.
> 
> 
> http://highpoint-tech.com/USA_new/main.htm
> 
> I'm currently using: the 2720SGL
> 
> in both 8x2TB RAID5, with hot spare and 8x2TB RAID10, with hot spare.
> 
> http://highpoint-tech.com/USA_new/series_rr272x.htm


Thanks for the suggestions.
Reviews for (at least some) Highpoint RAID controllers on Newegg aren't
particularly glowing unfortunately.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=highpoint&ignorear=0&N=100007607%20600022700%20600022720%20600022755&isNodeId=1

Also, some people say it's not really hardware RAID, just firmware RAID. I'm
not so concerned about speed here as I am about redundancy tho.

Having had some RAID controllers which seemed to be fine right up until the
point they ate company data (Promise Supertraks, long gone), I'm a bit leery
of RAID controllers with mixed reviews.

-- 
Carl Soderstrom
Systems Administrator
Real-Time Enterprises
www.real-time.com

From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Thu Feb 15 17:23:18 2018
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:23:18 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Recommended RAID controller for Linux?
In-Reply-To: <20180214182339.7pgajix2ulcqxude@real-time.com>
References: <20180214144208.5mcsgpy72fnohy7k@real-time.com>
 <740c1c7c-7cc2-bc5f-42fa-f054dd3cf912@e-skinner.net>
 <20180214182339.7pgajix2ulcqxude@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <316BE9C5-A6D5-4808-8704-E8CE0A8CED6E@cwis.biz>

I had HPR controllers until I went to something more robust for years. I think I still have 3 or 4 controller cards that work today.

But I went to LSI/MegaRAID/Broadcom years ago and haven?t looked back.

> On Feb 14, 2018, at 12:23 PM, Carl W. Soderstrom <carl.soderstrom at real-time.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks for the suggestions.
> Reviews for (at least some) Highpoint RAID controllers on Newegg aren't
> particularly glowing unfortunately.
> 

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From kermit4 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 15 23:17:14 2018
From: kermit4 at gmail.com (Christopher Pearson)
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 23:17:14 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 158, Issue 7
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1518717602.5346.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
References: <mailman.1.1518717602.5346.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <CAGtzr3ddS-tJRntaRboYJrLm-C2s_i-zXgHhFbLyA_BnJ8863g@mail.gmail.com>

Backblaze used Highpoints.  They're using Marvell now.
https://www.backblaze.com/b2/storage-pod.html

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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:23:40 -0500
> From: "Carl W. Soderstrom" <carl.soderstrom at real-time.com>
> To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Recommended RAID controller for Linux?
> Message-ID: <20180214182339.7pgajix2ulcqxude at real-time.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On 02/14 09:54 , Marc Skinner wrote:
>> I have used raid and jbod cards from High-Point for 8 years or so. They have
>> both CLI and webconsoles.  They have a variety of price points.
>>
>>
>> http://highpoint-tech.com/USA_new/main.htm
>>
>> I'm currently using: the 2720SGL
>>
>> in both 8x2TB RAID5, with hot spare and 8x2TB RAID10, with hot spare.
>>
>> http://highpoint-tech.com/USA_new/series_rr272x.htm
>
>
> Thanks for the suggestions.
> Reviews for (at least some) Highpoint RAID controllers on Newegg aren't
> particularly glowing unfortunately.
>
> https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=highpoint&ignorear=0&N=100007607%20600022700%20600022720%20600022755&isNodeId=1
>
> Also, some people say it's not really hardware RAID, just firmware RAID. I'm
> not so concerned about speed here as I am about redundancy tho.
>
> Having had some RAID controllers which seemed to be fine right up until the
> point they ate company data (Promise Supertraks, long gone), I'm a bit leery
> of RAID controllers with mixed reviews.
>
> --
> Carl Soderstrom
> Systems Administrator
> Real-Time Enterprises
> www.real-time.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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> End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 158, Issue 7
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From carl.soderstrom at real-time.com  Mon Feb 19 10:33:50 2018
From: carl.soderstrom at real-time.com (Carl W. Soderstrom)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 11:33:50 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Recommended RAID controller for Linux?
In-Reply-To: <316BE9C5-A6D5-4808-8704-E8CE0A8CED6E@cwis.biz>
References: <20180214144208.5mcsgpy72fnohy7k@real-time.com>
 <740c1c7c-7cc2-bc5f-42fa-f054dd3cf912@e-skinner.net>
 <20180214182339.7pgajix2ulcqxude@real-time.com>
 <316BE9C5-A6D5-4808-8704-E8CE0A8CED6E@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <20180219163349.xppxrs7d7thclhqt@real-time.com>

On 02/15 05:23 , Ryan Coleman wrote:
> I had HPR controllers until I went to something more robust for years. I think I still have 3 or 4 controller cards that work today.
> 
> But I went to LSI/MegaRAID/Broadcom years ago and haven?t looked back.

Are there any decent management tools for such cards? MegaCLI is pretty vile
compared to the 3ware tools. Documentation is very unclear, output is either
too verbose or too terse, and the switches are troublesome to figure out.
Historically, getting the correct version for your card was also pretty
painful.

-- 
Carl Soderstrom
Systems Administrator
Real-Time Enterprises
www.real-time.com

From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Mon Feb 19 10:36:46 2018
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:36:46 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Recommended RAID controller for Linux?
In-Reply-To: <20180219163349.xppxrs7d7thclhqt@real-time.com>
References: <20180214144208.5mcsgpy72fnohy7k@real-time.com>
 <740c1c7c-7cc2-bc5f-42fa-f054dd3cf912@e-skinner.net>
 <20180214182339.7pgajix2ulcqxude@real-time.com>
 <316BE9C5-A6D5-4808-8704-E8CE0A8CED6E@cwis.biz>
 <20180219163349.xppxrs7d7thclhqt@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <85ACFCF9-6033-48D8-B640-8EC08B3C4A09@cwis.biz>

I am using their MDM platform with the driver loaded on my ESXi server. Mind you it crashes a lot, but it?s fairly straightforward.

?
Ryan 

> On Feb 19, 2018, at 10:33 AM, Carl W. Soderstrom <carl.soderstrom at real-time.com> wrote:
> 
> On 02/15 05:23 , Ryan Coleman wrote:
>> I had HPR controllers until I went to something more robust for years. I think I still have 3 or 4 controller cards that work today.
>> 
>> But I went to LSI/MegaRAID/Broadcom years ago and haven?t looked back.
> 
> Are there any decent management tools for such cards? MegaCLI is pretty vile
> compared to the 3ware tools. Documentation is very unclear, output is either
> too verbose or too terse, and the switches are troublesome to figure out.
> Historically, getting the correct version for your card was also pretty
> painful.
> 
> -- 
> Carl Soderstrom
> Systems Administrator
> Real-Time Enterprises
> www.real-time.com
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Mon Feb 19 10:37:38 2018
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:37:38 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Recommended RAID controller for Linux?
In-Reply-To: <85ACFCF9-6033-48D8-B640-8EC08B3C4A09@cwis.biz>
References: <20180214144208.5mcsgpy72fnohy7k@real-time.com>
 <740c1c7c-7cc2-bc5f-42fa-f054dd3cf912@e-skinner.net>
 <20180214182339.7pgajix2ulcqxude@real-time.com>
 <316BE9C5-A6D5-4808-8704-E8CE0A8CED6E@cwis.biz>
 <20180219163349.xppxrs7d7thclhqt@real-time.com>
 <85ACFCF9-6033-48D8-B640-8EC08B3C4A09@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <AA25D55C-8608-4701-9671-49BB2EF95B42@cwis.biz>

I meant MSM (MegaRAID Storage Manager).

> On Feb 19, 2018, at 10:36 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.coleman at cwis.biz> wrote:
> 
> I am using their MDM platform with the driver loaded on my ESXi server. Mind you it crashes a lot, but it?s fairly straightforward.
> 
> ?
> Ryan 
> 
>> On Feb 19, 2018, at 10:33 AM, Carl W. Soderstrom <carl.soderstrom at real-time.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On 02/15 05:23 , Ryan Coleman wrote:
>>> I had HPR controllers until I went to something more robust for years. I think I still have 3 or 4 controller cards that work today.
>>> 
>>> But I went to LSI/MegaRAID/Broadcom years ago and haven?t looked back.
>> 
>> Are there any decent management tools for such cards? MegaCLI is pretty vile
>> compared to the 3ware tools. Documentation is very unclear, output is either
>> too verbose or too terse, and the switches are troublesome to figure out.
>> Historically, getting the correct version for your card was also pretty
>> painful.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Carl Soderstrom
>> Systems Administrator
>> Real-Time Enterprises
>> www.real-time.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 


From kris.browne at gmail.com  Mon Feb 19 10:46:55 2018
From: kris.browne at gmail.com (Kristopher Browne)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 10:46:55 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Recommended RAID controller for Linux?
In-Reply-To: <20180219163349.xppxrs7d7thclhqt@real-time.com>
References: <20180214144208.5mcsgpy72fnohy7k@real-time.com>
 <740c1c7c-7cc2-bc5f-42fa-f054dd3cf912@e-skinner.net>
 <20180214182339.7pgajix2ulcqxude@real-time.com>
 <316BE9C5-A6D5-4808-8704-E8CE0A8CED6E@cwis.biz>
 <20180219163349.xppxrs7d7thclhqt@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <14DE6982-E9DC-4F23-B870-1C39066B71DF@gmail.com>

MegaCLI is outdated - Just before Broadcom bought them, it was deprecated in favor of ?storcli?, which is significantly more sane to work with.


> On Feb 19, 2018, at 10:33, Carl W. Soderstrom <carl.soderstrom at real-time.com> wrote:
> 
> On 02/15 05:23 , Ryan Coleman wrote:
>> I had HPR controllers until I went to something more robust for years. I think I still have 3 or 4 controller cards that work today.
>> 
>> But I went to LSI/MegaRAID/Broadcom years ago and haven?t looked back.
> 
> Are there any decent management tools for such cards? MegaCLI is pretty vile
> compared to the 3ware tools. Documentation is very unclear, output is either
> too verbose or too terse, and the switches are troublesome to figure out.
> Historically, getting the correct version for your card was also pretty
> painful.
> 
> -- 
> Carl Soderstrom
> Systems Administrator
> Real-Time Enterprises
> www.real-time.com
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From tclug1 at whitleymott.net  Mon Feb 19 22:00:43 2018
From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 22:00:43 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] bionic mini.iso installed static
Message-ID: <CAD+dB9B2p_nMJxZnh=5XracKUjcaOU40Fgm2j7OaYZpgmm_eqA@mail.gmail.com>

i installed bionic via mini.iso.  worked except it failed to do dhcp
<http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1748409>, so i gave it a static
address, and no surprise what it installed uses the same static ip
address.  same issue on desktop and laptop.  for the desktop i expect i can
just populate /etc/network/interfaces and uninstall NetworkManager.  i
don't think that's a good solution for the lappy tho.  can anybody point me
to a guide to fix/complete the laptop configuration?  i think ssb is the
broadcom wifi driver module, when running bionic it's already listed in
lsmod but only eth0 shows up in the network applet or /sys/class/net, when
running trusty the lappy wifi works, APs are listed and it connects to my
modem just fine, seems likely i can just copy some missing bit of
configuration from the trusty install, but what?
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From o1bigtenor at gmail.com  Tue Feb 20 06:02:01 2018
From: o1bigtenor at gmail.com (o1bigtenor)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 06:02:01 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] bionic mini.iso installed static
In-Reply-To: <CAD+dB9B2p_nMJxZnh=5XracKUjcaOU40Fgm2j7OaYZpgmm_eqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9B2p_nMJxZnh=5XracKUjcaOU40Fgm2j7OaYZpgmm_eqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPpdf5-xhiCRaa8UDS-K13uDnNYLKB2zmqTdmApZ+09LRck6CQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 10:00 PM, gregrwm <tclug1 at whitleymott.net> wrote:

> i installed bionic via mini.iso.  worked except it failed to do dhcp
> <http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1748409>, so i gave it a static
> address, and no surprise what it installed uses the same static ip
> address.  same issue on desktop and laptop.  for the desktop i expect i can
> just populate /etc/network/interfaces and uninstall NetworkManager.  i
> don't think that's a good solution for the lappy tho.  can anybody point me
> to a guide to fix/complete the laptop configuration?  i think ssb is the
> broadcom wifi driver module, when running bionic it's already listed in
> lsmod but only eth0 shows up in the network applet or /sys/class/net, when
> running trusty the lappy wifi works, APs are listed and it connects to my
> modem just fine, seems likely i can just copy some missing bit of
> configuration from the trusty install, but what?
>
>
Greetings

As a suggestion to the OP - - - the use of a more traditional orthography
will make it much easier for other to read your note.
Easier reading would make it more likely to you would get answers to your
questions - - - IMO.

I can usually read and follow something of this length in a very short
while. Here I had to read through it a number of time to puzzle out what
was being said and what was being asked.
Would bet I'm not the only one.

Regards

Dee
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From carl.soderstrom at real-time.com  Tue Feb 20 09:09:51 2018
From: carl.soderstrom at real-time.com (Carl W. Soderstrom)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 10:09:51 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Recommended RAID controller for Linux?
In-Reply-To: <316BE9C5-A6D5-4808-8704-E8CE0A8CED6E@cwis.biz>
References: <20180214144208.5mcsgpy72fnohy7k@real-time.com>
 <740c1c7c-7cc2-bc5f-42fa-f054dd3cf912@e-skinner.net>
 <20180214182339.7pgajix2ulcqxude@real-time.com>
 <316BE9C5-A6D5-4808-8704-E8CE0A8CED6E@cwis.biz>
Message-ID: <20180220150951.ukb44w6jtdiuzzov@real-time.com>

On 02/15 05:23 , Ryan Coleman wrote:
> I had HPR controllers until I went to something more robust for years. I think I still have 3 or 4 controller cards that work today.
> 
> But I went to LSI/MegaRAID/Broadcom years ago and haven?t looked back.

Thanks for the advice, that's helpful.


-- 
Carl Soderstrom
Systems Administrator
Real-Time Enterprises
www.real-time.com

From carl.soderstrom at real-time.com  Tue Feb 20 09:09:00 2018
From: carl.soderstrom at real-time.com (Carl W. Soderstrom)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 10:09:00 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Recommended RAID controller for Linux?
In-Reply-To: <14DE6982-E9DC-4F23-B870-1C39066B71DF@gmail.com>
References: <20180214144208.5mcsgpy72fnohy7k@real-time.com>
 <740c1c7c-7cc2-bc5f-42fa-f054dd3cf912@e-skinner.net>
 <20180214182339.7pgajix2ulcqxude@real-time.com>
 <316BE9C5-A6D5-4808-8704-E8CE0A8CED6E@cwis.biz>
 <20180219163349.xppxrs7d7thclhqt@real-time.com>
 <14DE6982-E9DC-4F23-B870-1C39066B71DF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20180220150859.gpx3qpxtfjpktx4x@real-time.com>

On 02/19 10:46 , Kristopher Browne wrote:
> MegaCLI is outdated - Just before Broadcom bought them, it was deprecated in favor of ?storcli?, which is significantly more sane to work with.

Thanks for the update. I may look into this.

-- 
Carl Soderstrom
Systems Administrator
Real-Time Enterprises
www.real-time.com

From carl.soderstrom at real-time.com  Tue Feb 20 09:11:04 2018
From: carl.soderstrom at real-time.com (Carl W. Soderstrom)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 10:11:04 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 158, Issue 7
In-Reply-To: <CAGtzr3ddS-tJRntaRboYJrLm-C2s_i-zXgHhFbLyA_BnJ8863g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1518717602.5346.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
 <CAGtzr3ddS-tJRntaRboYJrLm-C2s_i-zXgHhFbLyA_BnJ8863g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20180220151104.qttt2ol4jh3ejvhr@real-time.com>

On 02/15 11:17 , Christopher Pearson wrote:
> Backblaze used Highpoints.  They're using Marvell now.
> https://www.backblaze.com/b2/storage-pod.html

Thanks for the link, that's really helpful.

-- 
Carl Soderstrom
Systems Administrator
Real-Time Enterprises
www.real-time.com

From carl.soderstrom at real-time.com  Tue Feb 20 09:47:30 2018
From: carl.soderstrom at real-time.com (Carl W. Soderstrom)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 10:47:30 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 158, Issue 7
In-Reply-To: <CAGtzr3ddS-tJRntaRboYJrLm-C2s_i-zXgHhFbLyA_BnJ8863g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1518717602.5346.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
 <CAGtzr3ddS-tJRntaRboYJrLm-C2s_i-zXgHhFbLyA_BnJ8863g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20180220154730.flmhe7nmhounoim7@real-time.com>

On 02/15 11:17 , Christopher Pearson wrote:
> Backblaze used Highpoints.  They're using Marvell now.
> https://www.backblaze.com/b2/storage-pod.html

Reading through this, they aren't using hardware RAID at all, they're doing
it in software (mdadm), with their own layer(s?) of redundancy and
configuration on top.

-- 
Carl Soderstrom
Systems Administrator
Real-Time Enterprises
www.real-time.com

From kermit4 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 20 12:06:09 2018
From: kermit4 at gmail.com (Christopher Pearson)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 12:06:09 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 158, Issue 11
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1519149601.7648.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
References: <mailman.1.1519149601.7648.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <CAGtzr3cHdT6opY9tD6M0HMYkpthkOR7J5N1_OYTdcXm0yuaczw@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, a decent HBA with Linux's built in RAID (md) is the way to go
unless you're dual booting with something other than Linux.

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>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 10:11:04 -0500
> From: "Carl W. Soderstrom" <carl.soderstrom at real-time.com>
> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On 02/15 11:17 , Christopher Pearson wrote:
>> Backblaze used Highpoints.  They're using Marvell now.
>> https://www.backblaze.com/b2/storage-pod.html
>
> Thanks for the link, that's really helpful.
>
> --
> Carl Soderstrom
> Systems Administrator
> Real-Time Enterprises
> www.real-time.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 10:47:30 -0500
> From: "Carl W. Soderstrom" <carl.soderstrom at real-time.com>
> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 158, Issue 7
> Message-ID: <20180220154730.flmhe7nmhounoim7 at real-time.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On 02/15 11:17 , Christopher Pearson wrote:
>> Backblaze used Highpoints.  They're using Marvell now.
>> https://www.backblaze.com/b2/storage-pod.html
>
> Reading through this, they aren't using hardware RAID at all, they're doing
> it in software (mdadm), with their own layer(s?) of redundancy and
> configuration on top.
>
> --
> Carl Soderstrom
> Systems Administrator
> Real-Time Enterprises
> www.real-time.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
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>
> End of tclug-list Digest, Vol 158, Issue 11
> *******************************************

From carl.soderstrom at real-time.com  Tue Feb 20 12:29:54 2018
From: carl.soderstrom at real-time.com (Carl W. Soderstrom)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 13:29:54 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 158, Issue 11
In-Reply-To: <CAGtzr3cHdT6opY9tD6M0HMYkpthkOR7J5N1_OYTdcXm0yuaczw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1519149601.7648.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
 <CAGtzr3cHdT6opY9tD6M0HMYkpthkOR7J5N1_OYTdcXm0yuaczw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20180220182953.uszlkswitbilm6n7@real-time.com>

On 02/20 12:06 , Christopher Pearson wrote:
> Yes, a decent HBA with Linux's built in RAID (md) is the way to go
> unless you're dual booting with something other than Linux.

About 10 years ago I used Linux software RAID quite a bit.
Mostly I found that it was about an hour of hassle to replace a failed
drive, make it bootable again, and be confident that if one drive died the
system would still boot on the other drive. The same job would take a few
minutes with a 3ware RAID controller.

The value of the time wasn't worth the aggravation. Hardware RAID makes
things so much more predictable.

As a side note, being frustrated with md software RAID, I tried LVM's RAID
as well. That ended up costing me a lot of (fortunately only personal) data
when it silently failed to replicate and didn't give me any indication the
mirroring had stopped. Things may have changed in the years since, but all
my experiences with software RAID indicate to me it's for someone who
doesn't mind fiddling with their computer for fun. That's not me anymore.

-- 
Carl Soderstrom
Systems Administrator
Real-Time Enterprises
www.real-time.com

From iznogoud at nobelware.com  Tue Feb 20 15:44:36 2018
From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 21:44:36 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 158, Issue 7
In-Reply-To: <20180220154730.flmhe7nmhounoim7@real-time.com>
References: <mailman.1.1518717602.5346.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
 <CAGtzr3ddS-tJRntaRboYJrLm-C2s_i-zXgHhFbLyA_BnJ8863g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20180220154730.flmhe7nmhounoim7@real-time.com>
Message-ID: <20180220214436.GA18290@nobelware.com>

> 
> Reading through this, they aren't using hardware RAID at all, they're doing
> it in software (mdadm), with their own layer(s?) of redundancy and
> configuration on top.
>

My style. That is what I would do. (Never take my advice.) 

From iznogoud at nobelware.com  Tue Feb 20 15:59:26 2018
From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud)
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 21:59:26 +0000
Subject: [tclug-list] bionic mini.iso installed static
In-Reply-To: <CAPpdf5-xhiCRaa8UDS-K13uDnNYLKB2zmqTdmApZ+09LRck6CQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD+dB9B2p_nMJxZnh=5XracKUjcaOU40Fgm2j7OaYZpgmm_eqA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPpdf5-xhiCRaa8UDS-K13uDnNYLKB2zmqTdmApZ+09LRck6CQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20180220215926.GB18290@nobelware.com>

I will go straight to the point. See how you can configure the wifi (on the
laptop) from the command-line. 'iwconfig' is the main tool. If I recall
correctly, once the module is loaded you can do something like this to bring
up the interface:

'ifconfig wlan0 up'

(yes, with ifconfig, not iwconfig at first)

The module can be loaded but not used. Doing 'lsmod' will show you if the
module is active. If I recall, if the network inteface is not being used by
the kernel doing its thing, the module will have a ZERO at the end of its line
of output from lsmod, and 'ifconfig' will not show the interface. Once you do
the above thing I mentioned, the wlan0 will be "up" and the module in use.

Then, once it is up, you can issue iwconfig commands to make it connect, etc.
And once it is connected, you fire up the DHCP client to make it get an IP, etc.

Good luck.

From kermit4 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 22 00:09:56 2018
From: kermit4 at gmail.com (Christopher Pearson)
Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 00:09:56 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 158, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1519236001.29546.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
References: <mailman.1.1519236001.29546.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <CAGtzr3eg4x8+6bYK9h=gtF-7_jnxrQWT8z9KsC7jVwqeGTQdZA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:00 PM,  <tclug-list-request at mn-linux.org> wrote:
> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 13:29:54 -0500
> From: "Carl W. Soderstrom" <carl.soderstrom at real-time.com>
> To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 158, Issue 11
> Message-ID: <20180220182953.uszlkswitbilm6n7 at real-time.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On 02/20 12:06 , Christopher Pearson wrote:
>> Yes, a decent HBA with Linux's built in RAID (md) is the way to go
>> unless you're dual booting with something other than Linux.
>
> About 10 years ago I used Linux software RAID quite a bit.
> Mostly I found that it was about an hour of hassle to replace a failed
> drive, make it bootable again, and be confident that if one drive died the
> system would still boot on the other drive. The same job would take a few
> minutes with a 3ware RAID controller.
>
> The value of the time wasn't worth the aggravation. Hardware RAID makes
> things so much more predictable.
>
> As a side note, being frustrated with md software RAID, I tried LVM's RAID
> as well. That ended up costing me a lot of (fortunately only personal) data
> when it silently failed to replicate and didn't give me any indication the
> mirroring had stopped. Things may have changed in the years since, but all
> my experiences with software RAID indicate to me it's for someone who
> doesn't mind fiddling with their computer for fun. That's not me anymore.


I haven't used 3ware's RAID, but at my last work it took a small team
of people at my last work to maintain and recover from the downtime
and data corruption caused by LSI and Areca cards, when they weren't
just slowing down systems and increasing their cost, to which received
no support, where as even the most minor bug in md, on the rare
occasion (once) it was found, was fixed within hours.

From bunjee50 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 25 22:06:18 2018
From: bunjee50 at gmail.com (Danny Johnson)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2018 22:06:18 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Sabayon
Message-ID: <CANa+X+sWc29uFL9AAd-k813jP32f_DgpFu6YE1J=ZdG9dfKpSQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am new to Linux.
I have installed Sabayon live CD to my hard drive with an accurate checksum.
I did the update and the upgrade and cannot get back to my desktop.
I have an ATI Radeon GPU.
I have spent a lot of time researching the forum and just cannot find a
solution.
I hope someone can help me out.
Sincerely,
Danny J.
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From gsker at skerbitz.org  Sun Feb 25 23:02:54 2018
From: gsker at skerbitz.org (gerry)
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2018 23:02:54 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Sabayon
In-Reply-To: <CANa+X+sWc29uFL9AAd-k813jP32f_DgpFu6YE1J=ZdG9dfKpSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANa+X+sWc29uFL9AAd-k813jP32f_DgpFu6YE1J=ZdG9dfKpSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1802252229260.18377@skerbitz.org>

Danny,

You will need to give the list more information....

1. "Sabayon Live CD" is ambiguous according to the download page:
http://www.sabayon.org/download/
"There are many different Sabayon variants"

So What exactly did you install?

2. What have you tried? What update? What upgrade?
Have you used Ctrl-Alt-F1 ? Do you get a login prompt?
What specific video card do you have any why would you think that's relevant?
What does "cannot get back to my desktop" mean? Do you not get a login prompt?
    Or do you just not get a graphical environment?
What clues do you get from the dmesg command?
What is in /var/log? Especially /var/log/Xorg.0.log.
    (less /var/log/Xorg.0.log)
What does lsmod say?   (It lists the loaded kernel modules)
uname -a   ?

3. Sabayon is Gentoo based
So not the most common of environments.  A large percentage of repos are 
either rpm or deb based.
As a result, you might get much more useful help from the Sabayon forums 
than from a generic Linux forum.  A gentoo forum might also be more helpful.

With that said, post more details and you'll get more help!


Looks like sabayon uses lightdm and systemd. linux 4.9.0.
I downloaded the server iso and booted it up.  Looks pretty normal...
Let us know your specific issues.

https://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Get_AMD/ATI_or_Nvidia_Video_Cards_working_in_Sabayon

Gerry



On Sun, 25 Feb 2018, Danny Johnson wrote:

> I am new to Linux.
> I have installed Sabayon live CD to my hard drive with an accurate checksum.
> I did the update and the upgrade and cannot get back to my desktop.
> I have an ATI Radeon GPU.
> I have spent a lot of time researching the forum and just cannot find a solution.
> I hope someone can help me out.
> Sincerely,
> Danny J.
> 
>

From bunjee50 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 08:22:36 2018
From: bunjee50 at gmail.com (Danny Johnson)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:22:36 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Sabayon
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1802252229260.18377@skerbitz.org>
References: <CANa+X+sWc29uFL9AAd-k813jP32f_DgpFu6YE1J=ZdG9dfKpSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.20.1802252229260.18377@skerbitz.org>
Message-ID: <CANa+X+sH+SLnki8uofpk20z363JbBanrSKk50VTMoPMbRSbMFw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for responding.
I have no graphical environment.
I have used the Sabayon forum - pretty complex for me - can't find problem
like I'm having.
Do not understand "what update - what upgrade". - have updated and upgraded
to the gills! - "Equo"
I was wrong about my video card - I have an Nvidia 8800GT - downloaded the
drivers - still no
graphical environment.
I do get a login prompt - but no graphical environment.
I do not know what dmesg means or is.
When do I execute Ctrl-Alt-F1?
I posted the issue in the Sabayon forum and have gotten no reply yet.
I just want to resolve this issue and go away, ya know?!
I feel I'm being a pain by asking people to help.
Sincerely,
DJ

On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 11:02 PM, gerry <gsker at skerbitz.org> wrote:

> Danny,
>
> You will need to give the list more information....
>
> 1. "Sabayon Live CD" is ambiguous according to the download page:
> http://www.sabayon.org/download/
> "There are many different Sabayon variants"
>
> So What exactly did you install?
>
> 2. What have you tried? What update? What upgrade?
> Have you used Ctrl-Alt-F1 ? Do you get a login prompt?
> What specific video card do you have any why would you think that's
> relevant?
> What does "cannot get back to my desktop" mean? Do you not get a login
> prompt?
>    Or do you just not get a graphical environment?
> What clues do you get from the dmesg command?
> What is in /var/log? Especially /var/log/Xorg.0.log.
>    (less /var/log/Xorg.0.log)
> What does lsmod say?   (It lists the loaded kernel modules)
> uname -a   ?
>
> 3. Sabayon is Gentoo based
> So not the most common of environments.  A large percentage of repos are
> either rpm or deb based.
> As a result, you might get much more useful help from the Sabayon forums
> than from a generic Linux forum.  A gentoo forum might also be more helpful.
>
> With that said, post more details and you'll get more help!
>
>
> Looks like sabayon uses lightdm and systemd. linux 4.9.0.
> I downloaded the server iso and booted it up.  Looks pretty normal...
> Let us know your specific issues.
>
> https://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Get_AMD/ATI_
> or_Nvidia_Video_Cards_working_in_Sabayon
>
> Gerry
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2018, Danny Johnson wrote:
>
> I am new to Linux.
>> I have installed Sabayon live CD to my hard drive with an accurate
>> checksum.
>> I did the update and the upgrade and cannot get back to my desktop.
>> I have an ATI Radeon GPU.
>> I have spent a lot of time researching the forum and just cannot find a
>> solution.
>> I hope someone can help me out.
>> Sincerely,
>> Danny J.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Mon Feb 26 08:58:51 2018
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 08:58:51 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Sabayon
In-Reply-To: <CANa+X+sH+SLnki8uofpk20z363JbBanrSKk50VTMoPMbRSbMFw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANa+X+sWc29uFL9AAd-k813jP32f_DgpFu6YE1J=ZdG9dfKpSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.20.1802252229260.18377@skerbitz.org>
 <CANa+X+sH+SLnki8uofpk20z363JbBanrSKk50VTMoPMbRSbMFw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1802260858070.8922@rooster>

When you get the login prompt, login with your username and password, and 
then type "startx" (without the quotes) and hit ENTER. Tell us what 
happens after that.



On Mon, 26 Feb 2018, Danny Johnson wrote:

> Thanks for responding.
> I have no graphical environment.
> I have used the Sabayon forum - pretty complex for me - can't find problem
> like I'm having.
> Do not understand "what update - what upgrade". - have updated and upgraded
> to the gills! - "Equo"
> I was wrong about my video card - I have an Nvidia 8800GT - downloaded the
> drivers - still no
> graphical environment.
> I do get a login prompt - but no graphical environment.
> I do not know what dmesg means or is.
> When do I execute Ctrl-Alt-F1?
> I posted the issue in the Sabayon forum and have gotten no reply yet.
> I just want to resolve this issue and go away, ya know?!?
> I feel I'm being a pain by asking people to help.
> Sincerely,
> DJ
> 
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 11:02 PM, gerry <gsker at skerbitz.org> wrote:
>       Danny,
>
>       You will need to give the list more information....
>
>       1. "Sabayon Live CD" is ambiguous according to the download
>       page:
>       http://www.sabayon.org/download/
>       "There are many different Sabayon variants"
>
>       So What exactly did you install?
>
>       2. What have you tried? What update? What upgrade?
>       Have you used Ctrl-Alt-F1 ? Do you get a login prompt?
>       What specific video card do you have any why would you think
>       that's relevant?
>       What does "cannot get back to my desktop" mean? Do you not get a
>       login prompt?
>       ? ?Or do you just not get a graphical environment?
>       What clues do you get from the dmesg command?
>       What is in /var/log? Especially /var/log/Xorg.0.log.
>       ? ?(less /var/log/Xorg.0.log)
>       What does lsmod say?? ?(It lists the loaded kernel modules)
>       uname -a? ??
>
>       3. Sabayon is Gentoo based
>       So not the most common of environments.? A large percentage of
>       repos are either rpm or deb based.
>       As a result, you might get much more useful help from the
>       Sabayon forums than from a generic Linux forum.? A gentoo forum
>       might also be more helpful.
>
>       With that said, post more details and you'll get more help!
> 
>
>       Looks like sabayon uses lightdm and systemd. linux 4.9.0.
>       I downloaded the server iso and booted it up.? Looks pretty
>       normal...
>       Let us know your specific issues.
> 
> https://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Get_AMD/ATI_or_Nvidia_Video
>       _Cards_working_in_Sabayon
>
>       Gerry
> 
> 
>
>       On Sun, 25 Feb 2018, Danny Johnson wrote:
>
>             I am new to Linux.
>             I have installed Sabayon live CD to my hard drive
>             with an accurate checksum.
>             I did the update and the upgrade and cannot get back
>             to my desktop.
>             I have an ATI Radeon GPU.
>             I have spent a lot of time researching the forum and
>             just cannot find a solution.
>             I hope someone can help me out.
>             Sincerely,
>             Danny J.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> 
>

From bunjee50 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 09:25:48 2018
From: bunjee50 at gmail.com (Danny Johnson)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:25:48 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Sabayon
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1802260858070.8922@rooster>
References: <CANa+X+sWc29uFL9AAd-k813jP32f_DgpFu6YE1J=ZdG9dfKpSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.20.1802252229260.18377@skerbitz.org>
 <CANa+X+sH+SLnki8uofpk20z363JbBanrSKk50VTMoPMbRSbMFw@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.11.1802260858070.8922@rooster>
Message-ID: <CANa+X+tRvT8nDi7_YOXGzJB1wCsyr93mAjq7oQGqSo09inDc5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Just sent a photo to you.....

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 8:58 AM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:

> When you get the login prompt, login with your username and password, and
> then type "startx" (without the quotes) and hit ENTER. Tell us what happens
> after that.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018, Danny Johnson wrote:
>
> Thanks for responding.
>> I have no graphical environment.
>> I have used the Sabayon forum - pretty complex for me - can't find problem
>> like I'm having.
>> Do not understand "what update - what upgrade". - have updated and
>> upgraded
>> to the gills! - "Equo"
>> I was wrong about my video card - I have an Nvidia 8800GT - downloaded the
>> drivers - still no
>> graphical environment.
>> I do get a login prompt - but no graphical environment.
>> I do not know what dmesg means or is.
>> When do I execute Ctrl-Alt-F1?
>> I posted the issue in the Sabayon forum and have gotten no reply yet.
>> I just want to resolve this issue and go away, ya know?!
>> I feel I'm being a pain by asking people to help.
>> Sincerely,
>> DJ
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 11:02 PM, gerry <gsker at skerbitz.org> wrote:
>>       Danny,
>>
>>       You will need to give the list more information....
>>
>>       1. "Sabayon Live CD" is ambiguous according to the download
>>       page:
>>       http://www.sabayon.org/download/
>>       "There are many different Sabayon variants"
>>
>>       So What exactly did you install?
>>
>>       2. What have you tried? What update? What upgrade?
>>       Have you used Ctrl-Alt-F1 ? Do you get a login prompt?
>>       What specific video card do you have any why would you think
>>       that's relevant?
>>       What does "cannot get back to my desktop" mean? Do you not get a
>>       login prompt?
>>          Or do you just not get a graphical environment?
>>       What clues do you get from the dmesg command?
>>       What is in /var/log? Especially /var/log/Xorg.0.log.
>>          (less /var/log/Xorg.0.log)
>>       What does lsmod say?   (It lists the loaded kernel modules)
>>       uname -a   ?
>>
>>       3. Sabayon is Gentoo based
>>       So not the most common of environments.  A large percentage of
>>       repos are either rpm or deb based.
>>       As a result, you might get much more useful help from the
>>       Sabayon forums than from a generic Linux forum.  A gentoo forum
>>       might also be more helpful.
>>
>>       With that said, post more details and you'll get more help!
>>
>>
>>       Looks like sabayon uses lightdm and systemd. linux 4.9.0.
>>       I downloaded the server iso and booted it up.  Looks pretty
>>       normal...
>>       Let us know your specific issues.
>>
>> https://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Get_AMD/ATI_
>> or_Nvidia_Video
>>       _Cards_working_in_Sabayon
>>
>>       Gerry
>>
>>
>>
>>       On Sun, 25 Feb 2018, Danny Johnson wrote:
>>
>>             I am new to Linux.
>>             I have installed Sabayon live CD to my hard drive
>>             with an accurate checksum.
>>             I did the update and the upgrade and cannot get back
>>             to my desktop.
>>             I have an ATI Radeon GPU.
>>             I have spent a lot of time researching the forum and
>>             just cannot find a solution.
>>             I hope someone can help me out.
>>             Sincerely,
>>             Danny J.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
>>
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Mon Feb 26 09:28:39 2018
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:28:39 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Sabayon
In-Reply-To: <CANa+X+tRvT8nDi7_YOXGzJB1wCsyr93mAjq7oQGqSo09inDc5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANa+X+sWc29uFL9AAd-k813jP32f_DgpFu6YE1J=ZdG9dfKpSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.20.1802252229260.18377@skerbitz.org>
 <CANa+X+sH+SLnki8uofpk20z363JbBanrSKk50VTMoPMbRSbMFw@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.11.1802260858070.8922@rooster>
 <CANa+X+tRvT8nDi7_YOXGzJB1wCsyr93mAjq7oQGqSo09inDc5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1802260927071.8922@rooster>

The picture you sent is of a graphical interface.



On Mon, 26 Feb 2018, Danny Johnson wrote:

> Just sent a photo to you.....
> 
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 8:58 AM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>       When you get the login prompt, login with your username and
>       password, and then type "startx" (without the quotes) and hit
>       ENTER. Tell us what happens after that.
> 
> 
>
>       On Mon, 26 Feb 2018, Danny Johnson wrote:
>
>             Thanks for responding.
>             I have no graphical environment.
>             I have used the Sabayon forum - pretty complex for
>             me - can't find problem
>             like I'm having.
>             Do not understand "what update - what upgrade". -
>             have updated and upgraded
>             to the gills! - "Equo"
>             I was wrong about my video card - I have an Nvidia
>             8800GT - downloaded the
>             drivers - still no
>             graphical environment.
>             I do get a login prompt - but no graphical
>             environment.
>             I do not know what dmesg means or is.
>             When do I execute Ctrl-Alt-F1?
>             I posted the issue in the Sabayon forum and have
>             gotten no reply yet.
>             I just want to resolve this issue and go away, ya
>             know?!?
>             I feel I'm being a pain by asking people to help.
>             Sincerely,
>             DJ
>
>             On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 11:02 PM, gerry
>             <gsker at skerbitz.org> wrote:
>             ? ? ? Danny,
>
>             ? ? ? You will need to give the list more
>             information....
>
>             ? ? ? 1. "Sabayon Live CD" is ambiguous according to
>             the download
>             ? ? ? page:
>             ? ? ? http://www.sabayon.org/download/
>             ? ? ? "There are many different Sabayon variants"
>
>             ? ? ? So What exactly did you install?
>
>             ? ? ? 2. What have you tried? What update? What
>             upgrade?
>             ? ? ? Have you used Ctrl-Alt-F1 ? Do you get a login
>             prompt?
>             ? ? ? What specific video card do you have any why
>             would you think
>             ? ? ? that's relevant?
>             ? ? ? What does "cannot get back to my desktop"
>             mean? Do you not get a
>             ? ? ? login prompt?
>             ? ? ? ? ?Or do you just not get a graphical
>             environment?
>             ? ? ? What clues do you get from the dmesg command?
>             ? ? ? What is in /var/log? Especially
>             /var/log/Xorg.0.log.
>             ? ? ? ? ?(less /var/log/Xorg.0.log)
>             ? ? ? What does lsmod say?? ?(It lists the loaded
>             kernel modules)
>             ? ? ? uname -a? ??
>
>             ? ? ? 3. Sabayon is Gentoo based
>             ? ? ? So not the most common of environments.? A
>             large percentage of
>             ? ? ? repos are either rpm or deb based.
>             ? ? ? As a result, you might get much more useful
>             help from the
>             ? ? ? Sabayon forums than from a generic Linux
>             forum.? A gentoo forum
>             ? ? ? might also be more helpful.
>
>             ? ? ? With that said, post more details and you'll
>             get more help!
> 
>
>             ? ? ? Looks like sabayon uses lightdm and systemd.
>             linux 4.9.0.
>             ? ? ? I downloaded the server iso and booted it up.?
>             Looks pretty
>             ? ? ? normal...
>             ? ? ? Let us know your specific issues.
> 
> https://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Get_AMD/ATI_or_Nvidia_Video
>
>             ? ? ? _Cards_working_in_Sabayon
>
>             ? ? ? Gerry
> 
> 
>
>             ? ? ? On Sun, 25 Feb 2018, Danny Johnson wrote:
>
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? I am new to Linux.
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? I have installed Sabayon live CD to my
>             hard drive
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? with an accurate checksum.
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? I did the update and the upgrade and
>             cannot get back
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? to my desktop.
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? I have an ATI Radeon GPU.
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? I have spent a lot of time researching
>             the forum and
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? just cannot find a solution.
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? I hope someone can help me out.
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? Sincerely,
>             ? ? ? ? ? ? Danny J.
> 
>
>             _______________________________________________
>             TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>             tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>             http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> 
>

From eng at pinenet.com  Mon Feb 26 09:48:44 2018
From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:48:44 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Sabayon
In-Reply-To: <CANa+X+sH+SLnki8uofpk20z363JbBanrSKk50VTMoPMbRSbMFw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANa+X+sWc29uFL9AAd-k813jP32f_DgpFu6YE1J=ZdG9dfKpSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.20.1802252229260.18377@skerbitz.org>
 <CANa+X+sH+SLnki8uofpk20z363JbBanrSKk50VTMoPMbRSbMFw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c8ca081c-7f10-7c91-1739-684141f0275e@pinenet.com>

This is normal. You are normal. A new Linux user tries some flaky Linux 
derivative nobody ever heard of and gets blown away by confusion.

I was encouraged to choose between Red Hat and SuSE in about 1997. I 
chose and bought SuSE and still use it without problems. Now it is 
called openSuse and they have a huge forum.

Get On with learning how to USE Linux and Get Off trying to make it 
work. As an old man I tell you, there isn't time enough in a lifetime to 
learn this software. Don't be another Linux victim, be a Linux master.



Danny Johnson wrote:
> Thanks for responding.
> I have no graphical environment.
> I have used the Sabayon forum - pretty complex for me - can't find
> problem like I'm having.
> Do not understand "what update - what upgrade". - have updated and
> upgraded to the gills! - "Equo"
> I was wrong about my video card - I have an Nvidia 8800GT - downloaded
> the drivers - still no
> graphical environment.
> I do get a login prompt - but no graphical environment.
> I do not know what dmesg means or is.
> When do I execute Ctrl-Alt-F1?
> I posted the issue in the Sabayon forum and have gotten no reply yet.
> I just want to resolve this issue and go away, ya know?!
> I feel I'm being a pain by asking people to help.
> Sincerely,
> DJ
>
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 11:02 PM, gerry <gsker at skerbitz.org
> <mailto:gsker at skerbitz.org>> wrote:
>
>     Danny,
>
>     You will need to give the list more information....
>
>     1. "Sabayon Live CD" is ambiguous according to the download page:
>     http://www.sabayon.org/download/ <http://www.sabayon.org/download/>
>     "There are many different Sabayon variants"
>
>     So What exactly did you install?
>
>     2. What have you tried? What update? What upgrade?
>     Have you used Ctrl-Alt-F1 ? Do you get a login prompt?
>     What specific video card do you have any why would you think that's
>     relevant?
>     What does "cannot get back to my desktop" mean? Do you not get a
>     login prompt?
>        Or do you just not get a graphical environment?
>     What clues do you get from the dmesg command?
>     What is in /var/log? Especially /var/log/Xorg.0.log.
>        (less /var/log/Xorg.0.log)
>     What does lsmod say?   (It lists the loaded kernel modules)
>     uname -a   ?
>
>     3. Sabayon is Gentoo based
>     So not the most common of environments.  A large percentage of repos
>     are either rpm or deb based.
>     As a result, you might get much more useful help from the Sabayon
>     forums than from a generic Linux forum.  A gentoo forum might also
>     be more helpful.
>
>     With that said, post more details and you'll get more help!
>
>
>     Looks like sabayon uses lightdm and systemd. linux 4.9.0.
>     I downloaded the server iso and booted it up.  Looks pretty normal...
>     Let us know your specific issues.
>
>     https://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Get_AMD/ATI_or_Nvidia_Video_Cards_working_in_Sabayon
>     <https://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Get_AMD/ATI_or_Nvidia_Video_Cards_working_in_Sabayon>
>
>     Gerry
>
>
>
>
>     On Sun, 25 Feb 2018, Danny Johnson wrote:
>
>         I am new to Linux.
>         I have installed Sabayon live CD to my hard drive with an
>         accurate checksum.
>         I did the update and the upgrade and cannot get back to my desktop.
>         I have an ATI Radeon GPU.
>         I have spent a lot of time researching the forum and just cannot
>         find a solution.
>         I hope someone can help me out.
>         Sincerely,
>         Danny J.
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>     tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>     http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>     <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From bunjee50 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 10:11:39 2018
From: bunjee50 at gmail.com (bunjee50)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:11:39 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Sabayon
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1802260927071.8922@rooster>
Message-ID: <5a9431c0.053e6b0a.7b1c0.0f7c@mx.google.com>

Ok....is that what I use for my desktop?Sure doesn't seem right...

-------- Original message --------From: Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> Date: 2/26/18  09:28  (GMT-06:00) To: TCLUG <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Sabayon 
The picture you sent is of a graphical interface.



On Mon, 26 Feb 2018, Danny Johnson wrote:

> Just sent a photo to you.....
> 
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 8:58 AM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>?????? When you get the login prompt, login with your username and
>?????? password, and then type "startx" (without the quotes) and hit
>?????? ENTER. Tell us what happens after that.
> 
> 
>
>?????? On Mon, 26 Feb 2018, Danny Johnson wrote:
>
>???????????? Thanks for responding.
>???????????? I have no graphical environment.
>???????????? I have used the Sabayon forum - pretty complex for
>???????????? me - can't find problem
>???????????? like I'm having.
>???????????? Do not understand "what update - what upgrade". -
>???????????? have updated and upgraded
>???????????? to the gills! - "Equo"
>???????????? I was wrong about my video card - I have an Nvidia
>???????????? 8800GT - downloaded the
>???????????? drivers - still no
>???????????? graphical environment.
>???????????? I do get a login prompt - but no graphical
>???????????? environment.
>???????????? I do not know what dmesg means or is.
>???????????? When do I execute Ctrl-Alt-F1?
>???????????? I posted the issue in the Sabayon forum and have
>???????????? gotten no reply yet.
>???????????? I just want to resolve this issue and go away, ya
>???????????? know?!?
>???????????? I feel I'm being a pain by asking people to help.
>???????????? Sincerely,
>???????????? DJ
>
>???????????? On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 11:02 PM, gerry
>???????????? <gsker at skerbitz.org> wrote:
>???????????? ? ? ? Danny,
>
>???????????? ? ? ? You will need to give the list more
>???????????? information....
>
>???????????? ? ? ? 1. "Sabayon Live CD" is ambiguous according to
>???????????? the download
>???????????? ? ? ? page:
>???????????? ? ? ? http://www.sabayon.org/download/
>???????????? ? ? ? "There are many different Sabayon variants"
>
>???????????? ? ? ? So What exactly did you install?
>
>???????????? ? ? ? 2. What have you tried? What update? What
>???????????? upgrade?
>???????????? ? ? ? Have you used Ctrl-Alt-F1 ? Do you get a login
>???????????? prompt?
>???????????? ? ? ? What specific video card do you have any why
>???????????? would you think
>???????????? ? ? ? that's relevant?
>???????????? ? ? ? What does "cannot get back to my desktop"
>???????????? mean? Do you not get a
>???????????? ? ? ? login prompt?
>???????????? ? ? ? ? ?Or do you just not get a graphical
>???????????? environment?
>???????????? ? ? ? What clues do you get from the dmesg command?
>???????????? ? ? ? What is in /var/log? Especially
>???????????? /var/log/Xorg.0.log.
>???????????? ? ? ? ? ?(less /var/log/Xorg.0.log)
>???????????? ? ? ? What does lsmod say?? ?(It lists the loaded
>???????????? kernel modules)
>???????????? ? ? ? uname -a? ??
>
>???????????? ? ? ? 3. Sabayon is Gentoo based
>???????????? ? ? ? So not the most common of environments.? A
>???????????? large percentage of
>???????????? ? ? ? repos are either rpm or deb based.
>???????????? ? ? ? As a result, you might get much more useful
>???????????? help from the
>???????????? ? ? ? Sabayon forums than from a generic Linux
>???????????? forum.? A gentoo forum
>???????????? ? ? ? might also be more helpful.
>
>???????????? ? ? ? With that said, post more details and you'll
>???????????? get more help!
> 
>
>???????????? ? ? ? Looks like sabayon uses lightdm and systemd.
>???????????? linux 4.9.0.
>???????????? ? ? ? I downloaded the server iso and booted it up.?
>???????????? Looks pretty
>???????????? ? ? ? normal...
>???????????? ? ? ? Let us know your specific issues.
> 
> https://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Get_AMD/ATI_or_Nvidia_Video
>
>???????????? ? ? ? _Cards_working_in_Sabayon
>
>???????????? ? ? ? Gerry
> 
> 
>
>???????????? ? ? ? On Sun, 25 Feb 2018, Danny Johnson wrote:
>
>???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? I am new to Linux.
>???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? I have installed Sabayon live CD to my
>???????????? hard drive
>???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? with an accurate checksum.
>???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? I did the update and the upgrade and
>???????????? cannot get back
>???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? to my desktop.
>???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? I have an ATI Radeon GPU.
>???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? I have spent a lot of time researching
>???????????? the forum and
>???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? just cannot find a solution.
>???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? I hope someone can help me out.
>???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? Sincerely,
>???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? Danny J.
> 
>
>???????????? _______________________________________________
>???????????? TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>???????????? tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>???????????? http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> 
> 
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From bunjee50 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 10:13:30 2018
From: bunjee50 at gmail.com (bunjee50)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:13:30 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Sabayon
In-Reply-To: <c8ca081c-7f10-7c91-1739-684141f0275e@pinenet.com>
Message-ID: <5a94322e.053e6b0a.7b1c0.0fa2@mx.google.com>

I've got SuSE too but like to switch it up a bit...just want to get Sabayon working...

-------- Original message --------From: Rick Engebretson <eng at pinenet.com> Date: 2/26/18  09:48  (GMT-06:00) To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Sabayon 
This is normal. You are normal. A new Linux user tries some flaky Linux 
derivative nobody ever heard of and gets blown away by confusion.

I was encouraged to choose between Red Hat and SuSE in about 1997. I 
chose and bought SuSE and still use it without problems. Now it is 
called openSuse and they have a huge forum.

Get On with learning how to USE Linux and Get Off trying to make it 
work. As an old man I tell you, there isn't time enough in a lifetime to 
learn this software. Don't be another Linux victim, be a Linux master.



Danny Johnson wrote:
> Thanks for responding.
> I have no graphical environment.
> I have used the Sabayon forum - pretty complex for me - can't find
> problem like I'm having.
> Do not understand "what update - what upgrade". - have updated and
> upgraded to the gills! - "Equo"
> I was wrong about my video card - I have an Nvidia 8800GT - downloaded
> the drivers - still no
> graphical environment.
> I do get a login prompt - but no graphical environment.
> I do not know what dmesg means or is.
> When do I execute Ctrl-Alt-F1?
> I posted the issue in the Sabayon forum and have gotten no reply yet.
> I just want to resolve this issue and go away, ya know?!
> I feel I'm being a pain by asking people to help.
> Sincerely,
> DJ
>
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 11:02 PM, gerry <gsker at skerbitz.org
> <mailto:gsker at skerbitz.org>> wrote:
>
>???? Danny,
>
>???? You will need to give the list more information....
>
>???? 1. "Sabayon Live CD" is ambiguous according to the download page:
>???? http://www.sabayon.org/download/ <http://www.sabayon.org/download/>
>???? "There are many different Sabayon variants"
>
>???? So What exactly did you install?
>
>???? 2. What have you tried? What update? What upgrade?
>???? Have you used Ctrl-Alt-F1 ? Do you get a login prompt?
>???? What specific video card do you have any why would you think that's
>???? relevant?
>???? What does "cannot get back to my desktop" mean? Do you not get a
>???? login prompt?
>??????? Or do you just not get a graphical environment?
>???? What clues do you get from the dmesg command?
>???? What is in /var/log? Especially /var/log/Xorg.0.log.
>??????? (less /var/log/Xorg.0.log)
>???? What does lsmod say??? (It lists the loaded kernel modules)
>???? uname -a?? ?
>
>???? 3. Sabayon is Gentoo based
>???? So not the most common of environments.? A large percentage of repos
>???? are either rpm or deb based.
>???? As a result, you might get much more useful help from the Sabayon
>???? forums than from a generic Linux forum.? A gentoo forum might also
>???? be more helpful.
>
>???? With that said, post more details and you'll get more help!
>
>
>???? Looks like sabayon uses lightdm and systemd. linux 4.9.0.
>???? I downloaded the server iso and booted it up.? Looks pretty normal...
>???? Let us know your specific issues.
>
>???? https://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Get_AMD/ATI_or_Nvidia_Video_Cards_working_in_Sabayon
>???? <https://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Get_AMD/ATI_or_Nvidia_Video_Cards_working_in_Sabayon>
>
>???? Gerry
>
>
>
>
>???? On Sun, 25 Feb 2018, Danny Johnson wrote:
>
>???????? I am new to Linux.
>???????? I have installed Sabayon live CD to my hard drive with an
>???????? accurate checksum.
>???????? I did the update and the upgrade and cannot get back to my desktop.
>???????? I have an ATI Radeon GPU.
>???????? I have spent a lot of time researching the forum and just cannot
>???????? find a solution.
>???????? I hope someone can help me out.
>???????? Sincerely,
>???????? Danny J.
>
>
>???? _______________________________________________
>???? TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>???? tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>???? http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>???? <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
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From chapinjeff at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 10:14:18 2018
From: chapinjeff at gmail.com (Jeff Chapin)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:14:18 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Sabayon
In-Reply-To: <c8ca081c-7f10-7c91-1739-684141f0275e@pinenet.com>
References: <CANa+X+sWc29uFL9AAd-k813jP32f_DgpFu6YE1J=ZdG9dfKpSQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.20.1802252229260.18377@skerbitz.org>
 <CANa+X+sH+SLnki8uofpk20z363JbBanrSKk50VTMoPMbRSbMFw@mail.gmail.com>
 <c8ca081c-7f10-7c91-1739-684141f0275e@pinenet.com>
Message-ID: <CAJt84+NyzpjtFLqTnf+x4qeyF0ACna6Ls99w=4j316yG9fx=zw@mail.gmail.com>

I second that -- I recommend Fedora or Ubuntu for a new user -- both have
fairly large, active communities, forums, and documentation to help users.

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 9:48 AM, Rick Engebretson <eng at pinenet.com> wrote:

> This is normal. You are normal. A new Linux user tries some flaky Linux
> derivative nobody ever heard of and gets blown away by confusion.
>
> I was encouraged to choose between Red Hat and SuSE in about 1997. I chose
> and bought SuSE and still use it without problems. Now it is called
> openSuse and they have a huge forum.
>
> Get On with learning how to USE Linux and Get Off trying to make it work.
> As an old man I tell you, there isn't time enough in a lifetime to learn
> this software. Don't be another Linux victim, be a Linux master.
>
>
>
> Danny Johnson wrote:
>
>> Thanks for responding.
>> I have no graphical environment.
>> I have used the Sabayon forum - pretty complex for me - can't find
>> problem like I'm having.
>> Do not understand "what update - what upgrade". - have updated and
>> upgraded to the gills! - "Equo"
>> I was wrong about my video card - I have an Nvidia 8800GT - downloaded
>> the drivers - still no
>> graphical environment.
>> I do get a login prompt - but no graphical environment.
>> I do not know what dmesg means or is.
>> When do I execute Ctrl-Alt-F1?
>> I posted the issue in the Sabayon forum and have gotten no reply yet.
>> I just want to resolve this issue and go away, ya know?!
>> I feel I'm being a pain by asking people to help.
>> Sincerely,
>> DJ
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 11:02 PM, gerry <gsker at skerbitz.org
>> <mailto:gsker at skerbitz.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     Danny,
>>
>>     You will need to give the list more information....
>>
>>     1. "Sabayon Live CD" is ambiguous according to the download page:
>>     http://www.sabayon.org/download/ <http://www.sabayon.org/download/>
>>
>>     "There are many different Sabayon variants"
>>
>>     So What exactly did you install?
>>
>>     2. What have you tried? What update? What upgrade?
>>     Have you used Ctrl-Alt-F1 ? Do you get a login prompt?
>>     What specific video card do you have any why would you think that's
>>     relevant?
>>     What does "cannot get back to my desktop" mean? Do you not get a
>>     login prompt?
>>        Or do you just not get a graphical environment?
>>     What clues do you get from the dmesg command?
>>     What is in /var/log? Especially /var/log/Xorg.0.log.
>>        (less /var/log/Xorg.0.log)
>>     What does lsmod say?   (It lists the loaded kernel modules)
>>     uname -a   ?
>>
>>     3. Sabayon is Gentoo based
>>     So not the most common of environments.  A large percentage of repos
>>     are either rpm or deb based.
>>     As a result, you might get much more useful help from the Sabayon
>>     forums than from a generic Linux forum.  A gentoo forum might also
>>     be more helpful.
>>
>>     With that said, post more details and you'll get more help!
>>
>>
>>     Looks like sabayon uses lightdm and systemd. linux 4.9.0.
>>     I downloaded the server iso and booted it up.  Looks pretty normal...
>>     Let us know your specific issues.
>>
>>     https://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Get_AMD/ATI_
>> or_Nvidia_Video_Cards_working_in_Sabayon
>>     <https://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Get_AMD/
>> ATI_or_Nvidia_Video_Cards_working_in_Sabayon>
>>
>>     Gerry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Sun, 25 Feb 2018, Danny Johnson wrote:
>>
>>         I am new to Linux.
>>         I have installed Sabayon live CD to my hard drive with an
>>         accurate checksum.
>>         I did the update and the upgrade and cannot get back to my
>> desktop.
>>         I have an ATI Radeon GPU.
>>         I have spent a lot of time researching the forum and just cannot
>>         find a solution.
>>         I hope someone can help me out.
>>         Sincerely,
>>         Danny J.
>>
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>     tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>>     http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>     <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Mon Feb 26 10:15:41 2018
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:15:41 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [tclug-list] Sabayon
In-Reply-To: <5a9431c0.053e6b0a.7b1c0.0f7c@mx.google.com>
References: <5a9431c0.053e6b0a.7b1c0.0f7c@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1802261013490.8922@rooster>

It's a graphical environment, but doesn't seem to be using a modern (or 
very useful) window manager. I'm not sure which one that is (almost looks 
like twm, but it's been a while). I'm not sure why that distribution isn't 
popping up a greeter that lets you choose your environment.

Is there a reason why you went with Sabayon, rather than the /incredibly/ 
newbie-friendly Ubuntu?

On Mon, 26 Feb 2018, bunjee50 wrote:

> Ok....is that what I use for my desktop?
> Sure doesn't seem right...
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com>
> Date: 2/26/18 09:28 (GMT-06:00)
> To: TCLUG <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Sabayon
> 
> The picture you sent is of a graphical interface.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018, Danny Johnson wrote:
> 
> > Just sent a photo to you.....
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 8:58 AM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> >?????? When you get the login prompt, login with your username and
> >?????? password, and then type "startx" (without the quotes) and hit
> >?????? ENTER. Tell us what happens after that.
> >
> >
> >
> >?????? On Mon, 26 Feb 2018, Danny Johnson wrote:
> >
> >???????????? Thanks for responding.
> >???????????? I have no graphical environment.
> >???????????? I have used the Sabayon forum - pretty complex for
> >???????????? me - can't find problem
> >???????????? like I'm having.
> >???????????? Do not understand "what update - what upgrade". -
> >???????????? have updated and upgraded
> >???????????? to the gills! - "Equo"
> >???????????? I was wrong about my video card - I have an Nvidia
> >???????????? 8800GT - downloaded the
> >???????????? drivers - still no
> >???????????? graphical environment.
> >???????????? I do get a login prompt - but no graphical
> >???????????? environment.
> >???????????? I do not know what dmesg means or is.
> >???????????? When do I execute Ctrl-Alt-F1?
> >???????????? I posted the issue in the Sabayon forum and have
> >???????????? gotten no reply yet.
> >???????????? I just want to resolve this issue and go away, ya
> >???????????? know?!?
> >???????????? I feel I'm being a pain by asking people to help.
> >???????????? Sincerely,
> >???????????? DJ
> >
> >???????????? On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 11:02 PM, gerry
> >???????????? <gsker at skerbitz.org> wrote:
> >???????????? ? ? ? Danny,
> >
> >???????????? ? ? ? You will need to give the list more
> >???????????? information....
> >
> >???????????? ? ? ? 1. "Sabayon Live CD" is ambiguous according to
> >???????????? the download
> >???????????? ? ? ? page:
> >???????????? ? ? ? http://www.sabayon.org/download/
> >???????????? ? ? ? "There are many different Sabayon variants"
> >
> >???????????? ? ? ? So What exactly did you install?
> >
> >???????????? ? ? ? 2. What have you tried? What update? What
> >???????????? upgrade?
> >???????????? ? ? ? Have you used Ctrl-Alt-F1 ? Do you get a login
> >???????????? prompt?
> >???????????? ? ? ? What specific video card do you have any why
> >???????????? would you think
> >???????????? ? ? ? that's relevant?
> >???????????? ? ? ? What does "cannot get back to my desktop"
> >???????????? mean? Do you not get a
> >???????????? ? ? ? login prompt?
> >???????????? ? ? ? ? ?Or do you just not get a graphical
> >???????????? environment?
> >???????????? ? ? ? What clues do you get from the dmesg command?
> >???????????? ? ? ? What is in /var/log? Especially
> >???????????? /var/log/Xorg.0.log.
> >???????????? ? ? ? ? ?(less /var/log/Xorg.0.log)
> >???????????? ? ? ? What does lsmod say?? ?(It lists the loaded
> >???????????? kernel modules)
> >???????????? ? ? ? uname -a? ??
> >
> >???????????? ? ? ? 3. Sabayon is Gentoo based
> >???????????? ? ? ? So not the most common of environments.? A
> >???????????? large percentage of
> >???????????? ? ? ? repos are either rpm or deb based.
> >???????????? ? ? ? As a result, you might get much more useful
> >???????????? help from the
> >???????????? ? ? ? Sabayon forums than from a generic Linux
> >???????????? forum.? A gentoo forum
> >???????????? ? ? ? might also be more helpful.
> >
> >???????????? ? ? ? With that said, post more details and you'll
> >???????????? get more help!
> >
> >
> >???????????? ? ? ? Looks like sabayon uses lightdm and systemd.
> >???????????? linux 4.9.0.
> >???????????? ? ? ? I downloaded the server iso and booted it up.?
> >???????????? Looks pretty
> >???????????? ? ? ? normal...
> >???????????? ? ? ? Let us know your specific issues.
> >
> >https://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Get_AMD/ATI_or_Nvidia_Video
> 
> >
> >???????????? ? ? ? _Cards_working_in_Sabayon
> >
> >???????????? ? ? ? Gerry
> >
> >
> >
> >???????????? ? ? ? On Sun, 25 Feb 2018, Danny Johnson wrote:
> >
> >???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? I am new to Linux.
> >???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? I have installed Sabayon live CD to my
> >???????????? hard drive
> >???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? with an accurate checksum.
> >???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? I did the update and the upgrade and
> >???????????? cannot get back
> >???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? to my desktop.
> >???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? I have an ATI Radeon GPU.
> >???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? I have spent a lot of time researching
> >???????????? the forum and
> >???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? just cannot find a solution.
> >???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? I hope someone can help me out.
> >???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? Sincerely,
> >???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? Danny J.
> >
> >
> >???????????? _______________________________________________
> >???????????? TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> >???????????? tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> >???????????? http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>

From 42dch42 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 26 19:57:34 2018
From: 42dch42 at gmail.com (harv)
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 19:57:34 -0600
Subject: [tclug-list] Sabayon
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1519668002.5944.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
References: <mailman.1.1519668002.5944.tclug-list@mn-linux.org>
Message-ID: <5a94bb12.0a59240a.2b728.01b2@mx.google.com>

Hi Danny,
Wish you would have answered the question as to which variant of
Sabayon you installed- if you did and I missed it sorry.
But based on Clug's description I'm guessing you installed the fluxbox
variant which is definitely not the most user friendly desktop around
as it requires lots of user configuration to get it the way you want it.

Here are my suggestions:
A) Try right-clicking on desktop as this should bring up any menus that
are preconfigured.
If you get a menu, look for a program called Rigo. This is a graphical
package manager. How to use see here:

https://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=Rigo

Use it to install KDE or Mate or XFCE desktop environment.

B) If you don't get any menu when right clicking on desktop, Find a way
to download Sabayon variant with one of the above mentioned desktop
environments

C) Try a completely different distro as suggested by others.

hth
harv


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> Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:15:41 -0600 (CST)
> From: Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com>
> To: TCLUG <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Sabayon
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> 
> It's a graphical environment, but doesn't seem to be using a modern (or 
> very useful) window manager. I'm not sure which one that is (almost looks 
> like twm, but it's been a while). I'm not sure why that distribution isn't 
> popping up a greeter that lets you choose your environment.
> 
> Is there a reason why you went with Sabayon, rather than the /incredibly/ 
> newbie-friendly Ubuntu?
> 
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018, bunjee50 wrote:
> 
> > Ok....is that what I use for my desktop?
> > Sure doesn't seem right...
> > 
> > 
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com>
> > Date: 2/26/18 09:28 (GMT-06:00)
> > To: TCLUG <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] Sabayon
> > 
> > The picture you sent is of a graphical interface.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 26 Feb 2018, Danny Johnson wrote:
> >   
> > > Just sent a photo to you.....
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 8:58 AM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> > >?????? When you get the login prompt, login with your username and
> > >?????? password, and then type "startx" (without the quotes) and hit
> > >?????? ENTER. Tell us what happens after that.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >?????? On Mon, 26 Feb 2018, Danny Johnson wrote:
> > >
> > >???????????? Thanks for responding.
> > >???????????? I have no graphical environment.
> > >???????????? I have used the Sabayon forum - pretty complex for
> > >???????????? me - can't find problem
> > >???????????? like I'm having.
> > >???????????? Do not understand "what update - what upgrade". -
> > >???????????? have updated and upgraded
> > >???????????? to the gills! - "Equo"
> > >???????????? I was wrong about my video card - I have an Nvidia
> > >???????????? 8800GT - downloaded the
> > >???????????? drivers - still no
> > >???????????? graphical environment.
> > >???????????? I do get a login prompt - but no graphical
> > >???????????? environment.
> > >???????????? I do not know what dmesg means or is.
> > >???????????? When do I execute Ctrl-Alt-F1?
> > >???????????? I posted the issue in the Sabayon forum and have
> > >???????????? gotten no reply yet.
> > >???????????? I just want to resolve this issue and go away, ya
> > >???????????? know?!?
> > >???????????? I feel I'm being a pain by asking people to help.
> > >???????????? Sincerely,
> > >???????????? DJ
> > >
> > >???????????? On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 11:02 PM, gerry
> > >???????????? <gsker at skerbitz.org> wrote:
> > >???????????? ? ? ? Danny,
> > >
> > >???????????? ? ? ? You will need to give the list more
> > >???????????? information....
> > >
> > >???????????? ? ? ? 1. "Sabayon Live CD" is ambiguous according to
> > >???????????? the download
> > >???????????? ? ? ? page:
> > >???????????? ? ? ? http://www.sabayon.org/download/
> > >???????????? ? ? ? "There are many different Sabayon variants"
> > >
> > >???????????? ? ? ? So What exactly did you install?
> > >
> > >???????????? ? ? ? 2. What have you tried? What update? What
> > >???????????? upgrade?
> > >???????????? ? ? ? Have you used Ctrl-Alt-F1 ? Do you get a login
> > >???????????? prompt?
> > >???????????? ? ? ? What specific video card do you have any why
> > >???????????? would you think
> > >???????????? ? ? ? that's relevant?
> > >???????????? ? ? ? What does "cannot get back to my desktop"
> > >???????????? mean? Do you not get a
> > >???????????? ? ? ? login prompt?
> > >???????????? ? ? ? ? ?Or do you just not get a graphical
> > >???????????? environment?
> > >???????????? ? ? ? What clues do you get from the dmesg command?
> > >???????????? ? ? ? What is in /var/log? Especially
> > >???????????? /var/log/Xorg.0.log.
> > >???????????? ? ? ? ? ?(less /var/log/Xorg.0.log)
> > >???????????? ? ? ? What does lsmod say?? ?(It lists the loaded
> > >???????????? kernel modules)
> > >???????????? ? ? ? uname -a? ??
> > >
> > >???????????? ? ? ? 3. Sabayon is Gentoo based
> > >???????????? ? ? ? So not the most common of environments.? A
> > >???????????? large percentage of
> > >???????????? ? ? ? repos are either rpm or deb based.
> > >???????????? ? ? ? As a result, you might get much more useful
> > >???????????? help from the
> > >???????????? ? ? ? Sabayon forums than from a generic Linux
> > >???????????? forum.? A gentoo forum
> > >???????????? ? ? ? might also be more helpful.
> > >
> > >???????????? ? ? ? With that said, post more details and you'll
> > >???????????? get more help!
> > >
> > >
> > >???????????? ? ? ? Looks like sabayon uses lightdm and systemd.
> > >???????????? linux 4.9.0.
> > >???????????? ? ? ? I downloaded the server iso and booted it up.?
> > >???????????? Looks pretty
> > >???????????? ? ? ? normal...
> > >???????????? ? ? ? Let us know your specific issues.
> > >
> > >https://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Get_AMD/ATI_or_Nvidia_Video  
> >   
> > >
> > >???????????? ? ? ? _Cards_working_in_Sabayon
> > >
> > >???????????? ? ? ? Gerry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >???????????? ? ? ? On Sun, 25 Feb 2018, Danny Johnson wrote:
> > >
> > >???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? I am new to Linux.
> > >???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? I have installed Sabayon live CD to my
> > >???????????? hard drive
> > >???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? with an accurate checksum.
> > >???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? I did the update and the upgrade and
> > >???????????? cannot get back
> > >???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? to my desktop.
> > >???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? I have an ATI Radeon GPU.
> > >???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? I have spent a lot of time researching
> > >???????????? the forum and
> > >???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? just cannot find a solution.
> > >???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? I hope someone can help me out.
> > >???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? Sincerely,
> > >???????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? Danny J.
> > >
> > >
> > >???????????? _______________________________________________
> > >???????????? TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> > >???????????? tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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