From iznogoud at nobelware.com Tue Jan 1 10:50:33 2019 From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2019 16:50:33 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 168, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: References: <5c2975ba.1c69fb81.9d1d.4328@mx.google.com> <20181231181621.GB5243@nobelware.com> Message-ID: <20190101165033.GA21244@nobelware.com> > I dug into how someone might do this from the LiveDVD while doing as much > as possible without the command line. > > I couldn't even mount the drive in that interface without the terminal. > That is not what I meant; one needs the command line. Do not waste your time. From 42dch42 at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 12:58:47 2019 From: 42dch42 at gmail.com (harv) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2019 12:58:47 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 168, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5c2bb868.1c69fb81.55970.b59a@mx.google.com> Mon, 31 Dec 2018 12:00:01 -0600 > Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 21:08:32 -0600 (CST) > From: gerry > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 168, Issue 8 > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > I'm pretty sure I read an email from Danny saying he/she was a noob. > I can't find a tclug list archive to verify that, though.... > Yes, he did say he was a newbie. So what? We all were at one point. Did you learn anything by avoiding exposure to that thing? > At the very least we should not ask a novice user to use vim to mess with a > shadow file. That's just brutal. > What's brutal about it? Especially since I gave instructions right down to the key strokes required for vi/vim and pointed out exactly which field of shadow file to delete. I'm just a dumb assed construction worker. If I can figure it out, it can't be that hard. > If the command > mount -o rw,remount / > > works for them, then the user can just run > passwd danny > to change the password for the "danny" user. > Another possible solution. Almost wish I had thought of it. From a reply from gerry to iznogood: >I dug into how someone might do this from the LiveDVD while doing as >much as possible without the command line. > >I couldn't even mount the drive in that interface without the terminal. Don't know what file manager is on LiveDVD but Thunar,Dolphin and PCmanFM file managers can mount drives and some live distros allow for installation of software- just for session, gone with a reboot. It does require enough ram to work though. So if LiveDVD allows installation of software and there is enough ram one could install one of those file managers if available but still need root permissions for passwd or to edit shadow file. harv From gsker at skerbitz.org Tue Jan 1 15:52:34 2019 From: gsker at skerbitz.org (gerry) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2019 15:52:34 -0600 (CST) Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 168, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <5c2bb868.1c69fb81.55970.b59a@mx.google.com> References: <5c2bb868.1c69fb81.55970.b59a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Harv, Like my old man always said -- everthing is easy once you know how. You may be a contruction worker but you most ceratainly are not a dumb-assed construction worker. Your instructions were fine. I did not mean to denigrate anything anyone said. My use of "brutal" for using vi was intended as a joke. I was just imagining being stuck at a machine I could not login to and what would be the very easiest way out of it and how I would communicate that to a person newly exposed to a Linux computer. I apologize if I've caused offense. Gerry -- gsker at skerbitz.org On Tue, 1 Jan 2019, harv wrote: > Mon, 31 Dec 2018 12:00:01 -0600 >> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 21:08:32 -0600 (CST) >> From: gerry >> To: TCLUG Mailing List >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 168, Issue 8 >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >> >> I'm pretty sure I read an email from Danny saying he/she was a noob. >> I can't find a tclug list archive to verify that, though.... >> > Yes, he did say he was a newbie. > So what? > We all were at one point. Did you learn anything by avoiding exposure > to that thing? > >> At the very least we should not ask a novice user to use vim to mess with a >> shadow file. That's just brutal. >> > What's brutal about it? > Especially since I gave instructions right down to the key strokes > required for vi/vim and pointed out exactly which field of shadow file > to delete. > I'm just a dumb assed construction worker. If I can figure it out, it > can't be that hard. > >> If the command >> mount -o rw,remount / >> >> works for them, then the user can just run >> passwd danny >> to change the password for the "danny" user. >> > Another possible solution. Almost wish I had thought of it. > >> From a reply from gerry to iznogood: >> I dug into how someone might do this from the LiveDVD while doing as >> much as possible without the command line. >> >> I couldn't even mount the drive in that interface without the terminal. > > Don't know what file manager is on LiveDVD but Thunar,Dolphin and > PCmanFM file managers can mount drives and some live distros allow for > installation of software- just for session, gone with a reboot. It does > require enough ram to work though. > So if LiveDVD allows installation of software and there is enough ram > one could install one of those file managers if available but still need > root permissions for passwd or to edit shadow file. > > harv > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From iznogoud at nobelware.com Wed Jan 2 11:22:36 2019 From: iznogoud at nobelware.com (Iznogoud) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2019 17:22:36 +0000 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 168, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: References: <5c2bb868.1c69fb81.55970.b59a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <20190102172236.GA8363@nobelware.com> > > I apologize if I've caused offense. > No man, nobody took offense here. I cannot speak for harv, but having chatted with him on occasion, I get the sense that he was wearing his "practical person" hat, and took no offense. Clearly Danny was looking at something seemingly insurmountable when he asked his question. Which reminds me, what happened? Did we help? Did you reinstall, in good Miscrosoft spirit? Also, harv is an example of the gems the internet hides and of the diversity of its users. He can probably go about his profession without touching a keyboard, but his inquisition into the realm of sysadmin-ing is admirable, and I am a bit envious. If you told me he was an NSA agent's alter ego, I'd buy it. OK, I kid, I kid harv! From eng at pinenet.com Wed Jan 2 12:16:01 2019 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2019 12:16:01 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 168, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <20190102172236.GA8363@nobelware.com> References: <5c2bb868.1c69fb81.55970.b59a@mx.google.com> <20190102172236.GA8363@nobelware.com> Message-ID: It all left me confused, as usual. But delighted about the helpful courtesy. I still have trouble believing you can boot a linux system without password and change somebody's password. I would have thought this a major security hole. I'll probably look into it some day. But with Ubuntu, who knows, you have no root password anyway, as I recall. Regarding harv's "just a construction worker" comment. Sounds like the snobs got to him. He needs to tell the snobs to sit outside in Minnesota weather while he gets his work done, or drive in the ditch to work. One thing living in the boonies teaches you to appreciate is how water, sewer, food, electricity, heat, and reliable transportation to town is more important than dirt under your fingernails. On the technology front, we watched more of a David Attenborough DVD, "Life in the Undergrowth." The photography is incredible, with slow motion high resolution video of a dragonfly in flight, showing independent 4 wing control. Gotta be some computer doing something somewhere to produce this serious natural science. Gonna buy these DVDs for grandkids now living in urbania who never see clean water, and amazing other life forms. They are all too busy taking selfies for facebook. Iznogoud wrote: >> >> I apologize if I've caused offense. >> > > No man, nobody took offense here. > > I cannot speak for harv, but having chatted with him on occasion, I get the > sense that he was wearing his "practical person" hat, and took no offense. > > Clearly Danny was looking at something seemingly insurmountable when he asked > his question. Which reminds me, what happened? Did we help? Did you reinstall, > in good Miscrosoft spirit? > > Also, harv is an example of the gems the internet hides and of the diversity of > its users. He can probably go about his profession without touching a keyboard, > but his inquisition into the realm of sysadmin-ing is admirable, and I am a bit > envious. If you told me he was an NSA agent's alter ego, I'd buy it. OK, I kid, > I kid harv! > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Wed Jan 2 13:45:06 2019 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2019 13:45:06 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 168, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: References: <5c2bb868.1c69fb81.55970.b59a@mx.google.com> <20190102172236.GA8363@nobelware.com> Message-ID: > ...I still have trouble believing you can boot a linux system > without password and change somebody's password. I would have thought > this a major security hole. > basically if you have physical access to the hardware, you own it. even setting passwords on the bios and in grub doesn't help much, if you really want to protect your data, encrypt your drive. of course the most likely result is your own bother and annoyance, but if you really have stuff that demands protection, then encrypt. > But with Ubuntu, who knows, you have no root password anyway, as I recall. you can set one if you choose, but by default that is correct, there is no password that will work for 'su', instead you get root privilege via sudo. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From james007wjs at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 12:24:36 2019 From: james007wjs at gmail.com (Wes Smith) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 12:24:36 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Looking for linux related job Message-ID: Hey all, Looking for a job that involves Linux. What does one look for entry level stuff? Anybody have any openings? Don't see the job posting board. Currently doing IMAC/depot level work at the moment. A little about my experience, I have my Linux+ and security+ cert. Don't have much enterprise related Linux experience but I do run it at home on my desktop, and have setup qemu for pci passthrough to play my games in a windows 10 VM. Run a tor relay, and a bitcoin node with a hidden service. Picked up a rpi and used that to install coreboot on my thinkpad. Current projects I'm working on is setting up a mail server jail with freebsd, setup a ovirt host on a micro dell optiplex, then automate installs with chef, puppet, and ansible. I need to pick up a bash or python book and get some scripting under my belt. I can give my resume upon request. 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Re: tclug-list Digest, Vol 168, Issue 8 (Iznogoud) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2019 12:58:47 -0600 > From: harv <42dch42 at gmail.com> > To: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 168, Issue 8 > Message-ID: <5c2bb868.1c69fb81.55970.b59a at mx.google.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Mon, 31 Dec 2018 12:00:01 -0600 > > Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 21:08:32 -0600 (CST) > > From: gerry > > To: TCLUG Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 168, Issue 8 > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > > > I'm pretty sure I read an email from Danny saying he/she was a noob. > > I can't find a tclug list archive to verify that, though.... > > > Yes, he did say he was a newbie. > So what? > We all were at one point. Did you learn anything by avoiding exposure > to that thing? > > > At the very least we should not ask a novice user to use vim to mess > with a > > shadow file. That's just brutal. > > > What's brutal about it? > Especially since I gave instructions right down to the key strokes > required for vi/vim and pointed out exactly which field of shadow file > to delete. > I'm just a dumb assed construction worker. If I can figure it out, it > can't be that hard. > > > If the command > > mount -o rw,remount / > > > > works for them, then the user can just run > > passwd danny > > to change the password for the "danny" user. > > > Another possible solution. Almost wish I had thought of it. > > From a reply from gerry to iznogood: > >I dug into how someone might do this from the LiveDVD while doing as > >much as possible without the command line. > > > >I couldn't even mount the drive in that interface without the terminal. > > Don't know what file manager is on LiveDVD but Thunar,Dolphin and > PCmanFM file managers can mount drives and some live distros allow for > installation of software- just for session, gone with a reboot. It does > require enough ram to work though. > So if LiveDVD allows installation of software and there is enough ram > one could install one of those file managers if available but still need > root permissions for passwd or to edit shadow file. > > harv > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2019 15:52:34 -0600 (CST) > From: gerry > To: harv <42dch42 at gmail.com> > Cc: tclug-list at mn-linux.org > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 168, Issue 8 > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII > > Harv, > Like my old man always said -- everthing is easy once you know how. > You may be a contruction worker but you most ceratainly are not a > dumb-assed > construction worker. > > Your instructions were fine. > I did not mean to denigrate anything anyone said. > My use of "brutal" for using vi was intended as a joke. > > I was just imagining being stuck at a machine I could not login to and > what > would be the very easiest way out of it and how I would communicate that > to a > person newly exposed to a Linux computer. > > I apologize if I've caused offense. > Gerry > > > -- > gsker at skerbitz.org > > On Tue, 1 Jan 2019, harv wrote: > > > Mon, 31 Dec 2018 12:00:01 -0600 > >> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 21:08:32 -0600 (CST) > >> From: gerry > >> To: TCLUG Mailing List > >> Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 168, Issue 8 > >> Message-ID: > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > >> > >> I'm pretty sure I read an email from Danny saying he/she was a noob. > >> I can't find a tclug list archive to verify that, though.... > >> > > Yes, he did say he was a newbie. > > So what? > > We all were at one point. Did you learn anything by avoiding exposure > > to that thing? > > > >> At the very least we should not ask a novice user to use vim to mess > with a > >> shadow file. That's just brutal. > >> > > What's brutal about it? > > Especially since I gave instructions right down to the key strokes > > required for vi/vim and pointed out exactly which field of shadow file > > to delete. > > I'm just a dumb assed construction worker. If I can figure it out, it > > can't be that hard. > > > >> If the command > >> mount -o rw,remount / > >> > >> works for them, then the user can just run > >> passwd danny > >> to change the password for the "danny" user. > >> > > Another possible solution. Almost wish I had thought of it. > > > >> From a reply from gerry to iznogood: > >> I dug into how someone might do this from the LiveDVD while doing as > >> much as possible without the command line. > >> > >> I couldn't even mount the drive in that interface without the terminal. > > > > Don't know what file manager is on LiveDVD but Thunar,Dolphin and > > PCmanFM file managers can mount drives and some live distros allow for > > installation of software- just for session, gone with a reboot. It does > > require enough ram to work though. > > So if LiveDVD allows installation of software and there is enough ram > > one could install one of those file managers if available but still need > > root permissions for passwd or to edit shadow file. > > > > harv > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2019 17:22:36 +0000 > From: Iznogoud > To: TCLUG Mailing List > Cc: harv <42dch42 at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [tclug-list] tclug-list Digest, Vol 168, Issue 8 > Message-ID: <20190102172236.GA8363 at nobelware.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > > I apologize if I've caused offense. > > > > No man, nobody took offense here. > > I cannot speak for harv, but having chatted with him on occasion, I get the > sense that he was wearing his "practical person" hat, and took no offense. > > Clearly Danny was looking at something seemingly insurmountable when he > asked > his question. 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On the rare occasion I wear a tie, I tie my own double windsor thank you. harv From tclug1 at whitleymott.net Thu Jan 10 19:29:51 2019 From: tclug1 at whitleymott.net (gregrwm) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 19:29:51 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] raid1 alignment Message-ID: i just created a second raid1 swap device, with partitions identical in size to the first, all are aligned on 8sector boundaries, however mdstat reports the size of the second as 1024bytes smaller. offhand my guess is raid1 is only using the portion of the underlying partitions that line up with some larger blocksize. i wonder if it doesn't even matter whether i've created the partitions on 8sector boundaries, i wonder if raid1 just optimizes for that anyway. if i knew that to be true, i'd fuss less over how they're created. anyone got the inside scoop? got a reference? details: >Disk /dev/sda: 3907029168s >Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B >Partition Table: msdos >Disk Flags: >Number Start End Size Type File system Flags > 1 2048s 20989951s 20987904s primary raid > 5 2539062512s 2560050415s 20987904s logical >Disk /dev/sdb: 3907029168s >Sector size (logical/physical): 512B/512B >Partition Table: msdos >Disk Flags: >Number Start End Size Type File system Flags > 1 2048s 20989951s 20987904s primary raid > 5 2539062512s 2560050415s 20987904s logical mdstat however reports their sizes thus: >Personalities : [raid1] >md5 : active raid1 sdb5[1] sda5[0] > 10484736 blocks super 1.2 [2/2] [UU] >md127 : active raid1 sdb1[1] sda1[0] > 10485760 blocks super 1.2 [2/2] [UU] and swapon -s reports their sizes as 4bytes less than mdstat: >Filename Type Size Used Priority >/dev/md127 partition 10485756 27968 -1 >/dev/md5 partition 10484732 0 -2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: > > What's mdadm -E /dev/sda[15] say? > Maybe one was made with an older version that wanted less metadata space > available. > i think that's a bingo, thot the manual said 1.2 was the default, looks like i got 1.1: >/dev/sda1: > Magic : a92b4efc > Version : 1.2 > Feature Map : 0x0 > Array UUID : 876bf64c:4d7241fc:8f52b636:93d0f6d9 > Name : pecan:swap > Creation Time : Fri Nov 10 10:34:52 2017 > Raid Level : raid1 > Raid Devices : 2 > > Avail Dev Size : 18696192 (8.92 GiB 9.57 GB) > Array Size : 9348096 (8.92 GiB 9.57 GB) > Data Offset : 16384 sectors > Super Offset : 8 sectors > Unused Space : before=16232 sectors, after=0 sectors > State : clean > Device UUID : 46b2904c:91504af9:04058ab0:d77b63b4 > > Update Time : Sat Jan 12 03:52:25 2019 > Bad Block Log : 512 entries available at offset 136 sectors > Checksum : 3ef443bc - correct > Events : 248 > > Device Role : Active device 0 > Array State : AA ('A' == active, '.' == missing, 'R' == replacing) >/dev/sda5: > Magic : a92b4efc > Version : 1.1 > Feature Map : 0x1 > Array UUID : 06c21caa:36ecbc16:068a90ec:9ceba74e > Name : pecan.fo4.net:16 (local to host pecan.fo4.net) > Creation Time : Mon May 13 13:52:59 2013 > Raid Level : raid1 > Raid Devices : 2 > > Avail Dev Size : 956761973 (456.22 GiB 489.86 GB) > Array Size : 478380800 (456.22 GiB 489.86 GB) > Used Dev Size : 956761600 (456.22 GiB 489.86 GB) > Data Offset : 262144 sectors > Super Offset : 0 sectors > Unused Space : before=262072 sectors, after=373 sectors > State : clean > Device UUID : 1e4613e7:1e42061a:ac9e2062:88c4985e > >Internal Bitmap : 8 sectors from superblock > Update Time : Fri Jan 11 18:52:48 2019 > Checksum : f31b0089 - correct > Events : 206597\ > > Device Role : Active device 0 > Array State : AA ('A' == active, '.' == missing, 'R' == replacing) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 42dch42 at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 20:13:58 2019 From: 42dch42 at gmail.com (harv) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 20:13:58 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Project Trident ping Brian Wood Message-ID: <5c3fe4ea.1c69fb81.5d274.05ea@mx.google.com> Brian Wood I remember you having an interest in TrueOS-legacy but don't know if you've been following development at all so here's a heads up. Project Trident has released their first stable version. http://www.project-trident.org/post/2019-01-15_18.12-release_available/ What is Project Trident Project Trident is a desktop-focused operating system based on TrueOS. It uses the Lumina desktop as well as a number of self-developed utilities to provide an easy-to-use system that both BSD beginners and advanced system administrators can feel comfortable running 24?7. http://project-trident.org/ What is TrueOS TrueOS is based on the legendary security and stability of FreeBSD. TrueOS follows FreeBSD-CURRENT, with the latest drivers, security updates, and packages available. TrueOS is a downstream fork of FreeBSD https://trueos.org/more-on-trueos/ TrueOS-legacy= the desktop oriented TrueOS before they went server/coreos only. disclaimer: Though I used TrueOS-legacy and and helped with beta testing Project Trident I no longer use either. harv From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 13:50:50 2019 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 13:50:50 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Project Trident In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: harv writes: I remember you having an interest in TrueOS-legacy but don't know if > you've been following development at all so here's a heads up. > Project Trident has released their first stable version. > > http://www.project-trident.org/post/2019-01-15_18.12-release_available/ > > What is Project Trident > Project Trident is a desktop-focused operating system based on TrueOS. > It uses the Lumina desktop as well as a number of self-developed > utilities to provide an easy-to-use system that both BSD beginners and > advanced system administrators can feel comfortable running 24?7. > > http://project-trident.org/ > > What is TrueOS > TrueOS is based on the legendary security and stability of FreeBSD. > TrueOS follows FreeBSD-CURRENT, with the latest drivers, security > updates, and packages available. > TrueOS is a downstream fork of FreeBSD > > https://trueos.org/more-on-trueos/ > > TrueOS-legacy= the desktop oriented TrueOS before they went > server/coreos only. > > disclaimer: Though I used TrueOS-legacy and and helped with beta > testing Project Trident I no longer use either. > > harv > > Thanks, harv . I installed Trident now. I'm not able to do much with pkg search like I usually can when using TrueOS or FreeBSD. I got vim, emacs and gcc installed, but not clang. It doesn't find clang in the repositories when I type: pkg install clang. When I try to build with gcc, I get: fatal error: string.h: No such file or directory. Maybe there's a development package I need to install, but I'm not sure what the name of it is. There are some things I like about Trident, so I hope I can figure out how to solve these problems. Thanks for letting me know about this. Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust. https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 42dch42 at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 12:31:08 2019 From: 42dch42 at gmail.com (harv) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 12:31:08 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Project Trident In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5c436ced.1c69fb81.68954.35d3@mx.google.com> Check out this thread on their discourse server: https://discourse.trueos.org/t/solved-fresh-install-no-c-compiler/3548 > Thanks, harv . I installed Trident now. I'm not able to do much with > pkg search > > like I usually can when using TrueOS or FreeBSD. I got vim, emacs and gcc > installed, but not clang. It doesn't find clang in the repositories when > I type: pkg install clang. > When I try to build with gcc, I get: > fatal error: string.h: No such file or directory. > > Maybe there's a development package I need to install, but I'm not > sure what the name of it is. There are some things I like about Trident, > so I hope I can figure out how to solve these problems. Thanks for > letting me know about this. > > > Brian > Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust. > https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 09:22:29 2019 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 09:22:29 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] [Cialug] Project Trident Message-ID: Hakan writes: > Hi Brian, > > This is waht I found on Project Trident Download page. > Short answer, did you try to install it from FreeBSD port collection > instead of pkg? Hi, Hakan, I looked at the ports with an eye to finding the name of a package that I could install. I found something like libstdc++-stldoc, but not what I was looking for. Now I've abandoned Trident and installed FreeBSD 12.0 and xorg and lumina. I'm able to build things with gcc (haven't tried clang yet), but my desktop is barely working. I put 'exec start-lumina-desktop' in my .xinitrc file and then enter startx. That doesn't work. So I started emacs and did alt-x shell. From there I entered startx. That brought up 3 xterms and a clock, but it looks bad. I liked Trident's desktop a lot more than this, but I couldn't build anything with it. I'm not sure what to do next. Thanks for your reply. Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust. http://webEbenezer.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From woodbrian77 at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 13:48:55 2019 From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 13:48:55 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] Project Trident Message-ID: harv writes: > Check out this thread on their discourse server: > > https://discourse.trueos.org/t/solved-fresh-install-no-c-compiler/3548 OK, so I installed Trident again and did what that said. It helped, but I also needed to install OS-clibs-development-... Now everything seems to be kosher. Thank you very much. This is minor, but the icons at the bottom of the screen are kind of big. Is there a way to shrink them? I looked at "Desktop settings" but didn't figure out how to do it. Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - Enjoying programming again. https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eng at pinenet.com Tue Jan 22 20:51:03 2019 From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson) Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 20:51:03 -0600 Subject: [tclug-list] FreePascal Text User Interface Demo Message-ID: <036b5ec2-2d6d-43e9-31c1-a297d1544c8a@pinenet.com> Some young avid Linux user might be interested in trying FreePascal. I have played with many aspects, and continue to be a big fan. But only recently I adventured into the DOS Turbo Vision TUI replacement called Free Vision. Free Vision certainly works on Linux and is used for an IDE in the Free Pascal development package. You can pack a lot of text and controls on modern Linux terminal emulators. The KDE term is too packed, but the XFCE term is great. Nothing wrong with X Window System. But if you want lots of data and lots of applications and lots of activity, then lots of terminal emulators seems a good container. There is a great working example included in the Free Pascal, Free Vision install. But the IDE uses Free Vision, so you can easily see what it is. Free Vision sources are in directories named "fv." The example has a little clock and can temporarily return to/from the linux shell, too.