From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Sun May  5 11:11:05 2019
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 11:11:05 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Project Trident on laptop
Message-ID: <CABWFOjv1iMfBtu9cM7yHrn+4V3=ow1vspq+wdGxt0TtEMzjSjg@mail.gmail.com>

Shalom

I tried booting Trident 18.12 from a USB drive on my fairly new
Dell Latitude laptop.  It got quite a ways, but I wasn't able to
move the mouse around.  I only tried it one time.  Maybe I did
something that threw it off.  Any ideas on how to deal with this?
Thanks in advance.
The project trident website says that they are using the trueos
forums, but trueos.org just gives a link to telegram chat.


Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards
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From: dickiteemerald at gmail.com (Rock Dickite)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 14:29:20 -0500
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oh that sounds really cool maybe one day

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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Mon May  6 22:24:00 2019
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 22:24:00 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Project Trident on laptop
In-Reply-To: <CABWFOjv1iMfBtu9cM7yHrn+4V3=ow1vspq+wdGxt0TtEMzjSjg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <F6C38830-73B6-45AA-B2BF-E4CE32E95DD3@cwis.biz>

You were… using an external mouse?
The track pad? 
Did you try a different input device? 



> On May 5, 2019, at 11:11 AM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Shalom
> 
> I tried booting Trident 18.12 from a USB drive on my fairly new 
> Dell Latitude laptop.  It got quite a ways, but I wasn't able to 
> move the mouse around.  I only tried it one time.  Maybe I did 
> something that threw it off.  Any ideas on how to deal with this?
> Thanks in advance.  
> The project trident website says that they are using the trueos 
> forums, but trueos.org <http://trueos.org/> just gives a link to telegram chat.
> 
> 
> Brian
> Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
> https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards <https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards>  
> _______________________________________________
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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Tue May  7 12:26:52 2019
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2019 12:26:52 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Subject: Re:  Project Trident on laptop
Message-ID: <CABWFOjsthoRWyU4d5tpfi7NME-MkMCABcXij+vG2A8fXXS3rxQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ryan Coleman writes:
> You were… using an external mouse?
> The track pad?
> Did you try a different input device?

I was using the track pad.  I tried the keyboard -- tabbing
around, but that didn't seem to work either.  I've thought
about it more and I may try a plain FreeBSD version rather
than Trident.  That might be enough for me.
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Tue May  7 20:13:32 2019
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2019 20:13:32 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] Subject: Re:  Project Trident on laptop
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> my fairly new Dell Latitude laptop

^^^^^ that’s your issue. Anything out of the box without looking for drivers for the special parts (trackpads are special parts) you probably won’t really succeed.

Seeing as it is based on FreeBSD there’s a higher likelihood you won’t get it to work there, either. But if you find drivers for Linux variants you can install the linux libraries into BSD and try to install and see if they work there.

YMMV



> On May 7, 2019, at 12:26 PM, Brian Wood <woodbrian77 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ryan Coleman writes:
> > You were… using an external mouse?
> > The track pad? 
> > Did you try a different input device? 
> 
> I was using the track pad.  I tried the keyboard -- tabbing
> around, but that didn't seem to work either.  I've thought
> about it more and I may try a plain FreeBSD version rather
> than Trident.  That might be enough for me. 
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Sat May 11 18:02:17 2019
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 18:02:17 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] where to get a 100-ohm resistor?
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1905111752540.31525@taxahome2>

Does anyone have a resistor they don't need or know a local place where I 
can buy one?  I only need one, and it doesn't have to be exactly 100 ohm. 
I hate to buy 100 of them for $6, but maybe that's the only way.  I asked 
at Free Geek and they said they never have them.

I only need it because I want to use it for testing batteries, as shown in 
this video:

How To Test Standard AA, AAA, D, C, and 9V Batteries with a Multimeter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcikzMG7mMU

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Mike

From tclug at freakzilla.com  Sat May 11 18:07:43 2019
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 18:07:43 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] where to get a 100-ohm resistor?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1905111752540.31525@taxahome2>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1905111752540.31525@taxahome2>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1905111805220.7522@rooster>

Microcenter might have them, but if you're near Shoreview I can give you 
one (;

On Sat, 11 May 2019, Mike Miller wrote:

> Does anyone have a resistor they don't need or know a local place where I can 
> buy one?  I only need one, and it doesn't have to be exactly 100 ohm. I hate 
> to buy 100 of them for $6, but maybe that's the only way.  I asked at Free 
> Geek and they said they never have them.
>
> I only need it because I want to use it for testing batteries, as shown in 
> this video:
>
> How To Test Standard AA, AAA, D, C, and 9V Batteries with a Multimeter
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcikzMG7mMU
>
> Any advice would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Sat May 11 19:23:32 2019
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 19:23:32 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] where to get a 100-ohm resistor?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1905111805220.7522@rooster>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1905111752540.31525@taxahome2>
 <alpine.DEB.2.11.1905111805220.7522@rooster>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1905111919570.29334@taxa2>

Thanks Clug!  Someone at Free Geek told me in very certain terms that 
Micro Center would not have resistors, but their webpage seems to be 
telling me he was wrong.  So thanks for that tip.

Another thing -- after reading the comments on the video I shared, I think 
battery testing might be a little more complicated and I need to have more 
resistors.  I need to do more reading!  It's OK, though, because I'm 
trying to learn a little about electronics, mostly just to be more 
generally knowledgable.

If anyone can recommend a good basic intro electronics book, I'm 
interested.

Mike


On Sat, 11 May 2019, Clug wrote:

> Microcenter might have them, but if you're near Shoreview I can give you 
> one (;
>
> On Sat, 11 May 2019, Mike Miller wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have a resistor they don't need or know a local place where I 
> can 
>> buy one?  I only need one, and it doesn't have to be exactly 100 ohm. I 
> hate 
>> to buy 100 of them for $6, but maybe that's the only way.  I asked at Free 
>> Geek and they said they never have them.
>>
>> I only need it because I want to use it for testing batteries, as shown in 
>> this video:
>>
>> How To Test Standard AA, AAA, D, C, and 9V Batteries with a Multimeter
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcikzMG7mMU
>>
>> Any advice would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Mike
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From tclug at freakzilla.com  Sat May 11 19:34:39 2019
From: tclug at freakzilla.com (Clug)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 19:34:39 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] where to get a 100-ohm resistor?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1905111919570.29334@taxa2>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1905111752540.31525@taxahome2>
 <alpine.DEB.2.11.1905111805220.7522@rooster>
 <alpine.DEB.2.21.1905111919570.29334@taxa2>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1905111933440.7522@rooster>

They definitely have resistors. What I don't remember if they have is 
individual resistors or if you have to get a pack of like a thousand 
random resistors...

On Sat, 11 May 2019, Mike Miller wrote:

> Thanks Clug!  Someone at Free Geek told me in very certain terms that Micro 
> Center would not have resistors, but their webpage seems to be telling me he 
> was wrong.  So thanks for that tip.
>
> Another thing -- after reading the comments on the video I shared, I think 
> battery testing might be a little more complicated and I need to have more 
> resistors.  I need to do more reading!  It's OK, though, because I'm trying 
> to learn a little about electronics, mostly just to be more generally 
> knowledgable.
>
> If anyone can recommend a good basic intro electronics book, I'm interested.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Sat, 11 May 2019, Clug wrote:
>
>> Microcenter might have them, but if you're near Shoreview I can give you 
>> one (;
>> 
>> On Sat, 11 May 2019, Mike Miller wrote:
>> 
>>> Does anyone have a resistor they don't need or know a local place where I 
>> can 
>>> buy one?  I only need one, and it doesn't have to be exactly 100 ohm. I 
>> hate 
>>> to buy 100 of them for $6, but maybe that's the only way.  I asked at Free 
>>> Geek and they said they never have them.
>>> 
>>> I only need it because I want to use it for testing batteries, as shown in 
>>> this video:
>>> 
>>> How To Test Standard AA, AAA, D, C, and 9V Batteries with a Multimeter
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcikzMG7mMU
>>> 
>>> Any advice would be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> 
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Sat May 11 20:01:56 2019
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 20:01:56 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] where to get a 100-ohm resistor?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.11.1905111933440.7522@rooster>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1905111752540.31525@taxahome2>
 <alpine.DEB.2.11.1905111805220.7522@rooster>
 <alpine.DEB.2.21.1905111919570.29334@taxa2>
 <alpine.DEB.2.11.1905111933440.7522@rooster>
Message-ID: <5FB108EB-4102-4562-A81D-A977809518BA@cwis.biz>

Skip MC.

Axman.

There are three locations, one is near MC. I get my resistors en masse from them.
—
Ryan

> On May 11, 2019, at 7:34 PM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
> 
> They definitely have resistors. What I don't remember if they have is individual resistors or if you have to get a pack of like a thousand random resistors...
> 
> On Sat, 11 May 2019, Mike Miller wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Clug!  Someone at Free Geek told me in very certain terms that Micro Center would not have resistors, but their webpage seems to be telling me he was wrong.  So thanks for that tip.
>> 
>> Another thing -- after reading the comments on the video I shared, I think battery testing might be a little more complicated and I need to have more resistors.  I need to do more reading!  It's OK, though, because I'm trying to learn a little about electronics, mostly just to be more generally knowledgable.
>> 
>> If anyone can recommend a good basic intro electronics book, I'm interested.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, 11 May 2019, Clug wrote:
>> 
>>> Microcenter might have them, but if you're near Shoreview I can give you one (;
>>> On Sat, 11 May 2019, Mike Miller wrote:
>>>> Does anyone have a resistor they don't need or know a local place where I 
>>> can 
>>>> buy one?  I only need one, and it doesn't have to be exactly 100 ohm. I 
>>> hate 
>>>> to buy 100 of them for $6, but maybe that's the only way.  I asked at Free Geek and they said they never have them.
>>>> I only need it because I want to use it for testing batteries, as shown in this video:
>>>> How To Test Standard AA, AAA, D, C, and 9V Batteries with a Multimeter
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcikzMG7mMU
>>>> Any advice would be appreciated.
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Mike
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> _______________________________________________
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>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
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From wdtj at yahoo.com  Sat May 11 19:25:38 2019
From: wdtj at yahoo.com (Wayne Johnson)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 00:25:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] where to get a 100-ohm resistor?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1905111752540.31525@taxahome2>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1905111752540.31525@taxahome2>
Message-ID: <1272008924.2991825.1557620738966@mail.yahoo.com>

Try Axman.  If not, Digi-key will sell you 1, but charge 4.99 for shipping. --- 
Wayne Johnson,             | There are two kinds of people: Those 
                           | who say to God, "Thy will be done," 
                           | and those to whom God says, "All right, 
                           | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis


      From: Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com>
 To: TCLUG List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> 
 Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2019 6:02 PM
 Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] where to get a 100-ohm resistor?
   
Does anyone have a resistor they don't need or know a local place where I 
can buy one?  I only need one, and it doesn't have to be exactly 100 ohm. 
I hate to buy 100 of them for $6, but maybe that's the only way.  I asked 
at Free Geek and they said they never have them.

I only need it because I want to use it for testing batteries, as shown in 
this video:

How To Test Standard AA, AAA, D, C, and 9V Batteries with a Multimeter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcikzMG7mMU

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Mike
_______________________________________________
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tclug-list at mn-linux.org
http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list


   
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From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Sat May 11 20:23:23 2019
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 20:23:23 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] where to get a 100-ohm resistor?
In-Reply-To: <1272008924.2991825.1557620738966@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1905111752540.31525@taxahome2>
 <1272008924.2991825.1557620738966@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8633DE39-6F5F-4CD8-947E-1B9D54AD002F@cwis.biz>

If it comes to that I am 99% sure I have 1 on hand in Minneapolis

> On May 11, 2019, at 7:25 PM, Wayne Johnson <wdtj at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Try Axman.  If not, Digi-key will sell you 1, but charge 4.99 for shipping.
>  
> --- 
> Wayne Johnson,             | There are two kinds of people: Those 
>                            | who say to God, "Thy will be done," 
>                            | and those to whom God says, "All right, 
>                            | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis
> 
> 
> From: Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com>
> To: TCLUG List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> 
> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2019 6:02 PM
> Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] where to get a 100-ohm resistor?
> 
> Does anyone have a resistor they don't need or know a local place where I 
> can buy one?  I only need one, and it doesn't have to be exactly 100 ohm. 
> I hate to buy 100 of them for $6, but maybe that's the only way.  I asked 
> at Free Geek and they said they never have them.
> 
> I only need it because I want to use it for testing batteries, as shown in 
> this video:
> 
> How To Test Standard AA, AAA, D, C, and 9V Batteries with a Multimeter
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcikzMG7mMU <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcikzMG7mMU>
> 
> Any advice would be appreciated.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
> 
> 
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From eminmn at sysmatrix.net  Sat May 11 22:03:17 2019
From: eminmn at sysmatrix.net (eminmn)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 22:03:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] where to get a 100-ohm resistor?
In-Reply-To: <5FB108EB-4102-4562-A81D-A977809518BA@cwis.biz>
References: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1905111752540.31525@taxahome2>
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Here's ax-man's site:
https://www.ax-man.com/pages/contact-us

pix and circuit diag are here for a simple aaa-9v battery tester:
http://avtanski.net/projects/battery_tester/schematics.html

It looks like the cost will be whatever you pay for the milliammeter, 
maybe $5 at axman.

Ed

On 5/11/2019 20:01, Ryan Coleman wrote:
> Skip MC.
> 
> Axman.
> 
> There are three locations, one is near MC. I get my resistors en masse from them.
> —
> Ryan
> 
>> On May 11, 2019, at 7:34 PM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>
>> They definitely have resistors. What I don't remember if they have is individual resistors or if you have to get a pack of like a thousand random resistors...
>>
>> On Sat, 11 May 2019, Mike Miller wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Clug!  Someone at Free Geek told me in very certain terms that Micro Center would not have resistors, but their webpage seems to be telling me he was wrong.  So thanks for that tip.
>>>
>>> Another thing -- after reading the comments on the video I shared, I think battery testing might be a little more complicated and I need to have more resistors.  I need to do more reading!  It's OK, though, because I'm trying to learn a little about electronics, mostly just to be more generally knowledgable.
>>>
>>> If anyone can recommend a good basic intro electronics book, I'm interested.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 11 May 2019, Clug wrote:
>>>
>>>> Microcenter might have them, but if you're near Shoreview I can give you one (;
>>>> On Sat, 11 May 2019, Mike Miller wrote:
>>>>> Does anyone have a resistor they don't need or know a local place where I
>>>> can
>>>>> buy one?  I only need one, and it doesn't have to be exactly 100 ohm. I
>>>> hate
>>>>> to buy 100 of them for $6, but maybe that's the only way.  I asked at Free Geek and they said they never have them.
>>>>> I only need it because I want to use it for testing batteries, as shown in this video:
>>>>> How To Test Standard AA, AAA, D, C, and 9V Batteries with a Multimeter
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcikzMG7mMU
>>>>> Any advice would be appreciated.
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
> 

From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Sun May 12 00:48:39 2019
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 00:48:39 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] where to get a 100-ohm resistor?
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Thanks for the tips.  Strangely, I drove right past Axman at about 5 pm 
this afternoon and didn't notice it.  I definitely would have stopped. 
But it's only about 8 minutes from my house, so I can go any time.

Mike


On Sat, 11 May 2019, eminmn wrote:

> Here's ax-man's site:
> https://www.ax-man.com/pages/contact-us
>
> pix and circuit diag are here for a simple aaa-9v battery tester:
> http://avtanski.net/projects/battery_tester/schematics.html
>
> It looks like the cost will be whatever you pay for the milliammeter, 
> maybe $5 at axman.
>
> Ed
>
> On 5/11/2019 20:01, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>> Skip MC.
>> 
>> Axman.
>> 
>> There are three locations, one is near MC. I get my resistors en masse from 
> them.
>> —
>> Ryan
>> 
>>> On May 11, 2019, at 7:34 PM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> They definitely have resistors. What I don't remember if they have is 
> individual resistors or if you have to get a pack of like a thousand random 
> resistors...
>>>
>>> On Sat, 11 May 2019, Mike Miller wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Clug!  Someone at Free Geek told me in very certain terms that 
> Micro Center would not have resistors, but their webpage seems to be telling 
> me he was wrong.  So thanks for that tip.
>>>>
>>>> Another thing -- after reading the comments on the video I shared, I 
> think battery testing might be a little more complicated and I need to have 
> more resistors.  I need to do more reading!  It's OK, though, because I'm 
> trying to learn a little about electronics, mostly just to be more generally 
> knowledgable.
>>>>
>>>> If anyone can recommend a good basic intro electronics book, I'm 
> interested.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 11 May 2019, Clug wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Microcenter might have them, but if you're near Shoreview I can give you 
> one (;
>>>>> On Sat, 11 May 2019, Mike Miller wrote:
>>>>>> Does anyone have a resistor they don't need or know a local place where 
> I
>>>>> can
>>>>>> buy one?  I only need one, and it doesn't have to be exactly 100 ohm. I
>>>>> hate
>>>>>> to buy 100 of them for $6, but maybe that's the only way.  I asked at 
> Free Geek and they said they never have them.
>>>>>> I only need it because I want to use it for testing batteries, as shown 
> in this video:
>>>>>> How To Test Standard AA, AAA, D, C, and 9V Batteries with a Multimeter
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcikzMG7mMU
>>>>>> Any advice would be appreciated.
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>

From cncole at earthlink.net  Sun May 12 01:58:58 2019
From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 02:58:58 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] where to get a 100-ohm resistor?
Message-ID: <1792014347.5346.1557644338869@wamui-gaston.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I'm familiar with the issues of various battery type tests and so on, and have resistors and meters, etc.  I prefer to just buy a battery tester since these have some built-in load so one is measuring with a suitable and small current draw so as to avoid the "open circuit" terminal emf readings that tell little or noting about the discharge state of the battery being tested.  The model I like best came from eBay.  It looks kinda like a small black plastic monkey wrench with a red jaw that slides to the battery top.  It has a meter and tests flashlight battery types plus a few other types.  The meter has red, yellow,and green areas and may have other markings.  It was very inexpensive ($2?)  I bought a battery tester from Harbor Freight that I don't like as much.  I have done home-brew testing and even tried to implement spec-sheet load conditions, but never found the extra effort worthwhile for home use.  In mil-spec custom designed equipment cases, the battery is a known type and thus suitable for more exacting test and maybe a proof of spec compliance in the test design.   YMMV.

Chuck




-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com>
>Sent: May 12, 2019 1:48 AM
>To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [OT] where to get a 100-ohm resistor?
>
>Thanks for the tips.  Strangely, I drove right past Axman at about 5 pm 
>this afternoon and didn't notice it.  I definitely would have stopped. 
>But it's only about 8 minutes from my house, so I can go any time.
>
>Mike
>
>
>On Sat, 11 May 2019, eminmn wrote:
>
>> Here's ax-man's site:
>> https://www.ax-man.com/pages/contact-us
>>
>> pix and circuit diag are here for a simple aaa-9v battery tester:
>> http://avtanski.net/projects/battery_tester/schematics.html
>>
>> It looks like the cost will be whatever you pay for the milliammeter, 
>> maybe $5 at axman.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> On 5/11/2019 20:01, Ryan Coleman wrote:
>>> Skip MC.
>>> 
>>> Axman.
>>> 
>>> There are three locations, one is near MC. I get my resistors en masse from 
>> them.
>>> —
>>> Ryan
>>> 
>>>> On May 11, 2019, at 7:34 PM, Clug <tclug at freakzilla.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> They definitely have resistors. What I don't remember if they have is 
>> individual resistors or if you have to get a pack of like a thousand random 
>> resistors...
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 11 May 2019, Mike Miller wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Clug!  Someone at Free Geek told me in very certain terms that 
>> Micro Center would not have resistors, but their webpage seems to be telling 
>> me he was wrong.  So thanks for that tip.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another thing -- after reading the comments on the video I shared, I 
>> think battery testing might be a little more complicated and I need to have 
>> more resistors.  I need to do more reading!  It's OK, though, because I'm 
>> trying to learn a little about electronics, mostly just to be more generally 
>> knowledgable.
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone can recommend a good basic intro electronics book, I'm 
>> interested.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 11 May 2019, Clug wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Microcenter might have them, but if you're near Shoreview I can give you 
>> one (;
>>>>>> On Sat, 11 May 2019, Mike Miller wrote:
>>>>>>> Does anyone have a resistor they don't need or know a local place where 
>> I
>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> buy one?  I only need one, and it doesn't have to be exactly 100 ohm. I
>>>>>> hate
>>>>>>> to buy 100 of them for $6, but maybe that's the only way.  I asked at 
>> Free Geek and they said they never have them.
>>>>>>> I only need it because I want to use it for testing batteries, as shown 
>> in this video:
>>>>>>> How To Test Standard AA, AAA, D, C, and 9V Batteries with a Multimeter
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcikzMG7mMU
>>>>>>> Any advice would be appreciated.
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota
>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>>

From n0nas at amsat.org  Sun May 12 07:38:21 2019
From: n0nas at amsat.org (Doug Reed)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 07:38:21 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] where to get a 100-ohm resistor?
Message-ID: <CAL+RLOTx8bJKcxj1-2NXaRr2CDRiE4vWCZYqC1KEa3FJ=UOYTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, the Ax-Man stores are the place to look if you don't want to ask
someone to mail it to you. I believe there are 3 or 4 stores around
town. The only stores I am familiar with are in St Paul and Fridley,
but I thought there was one more in Bloomington.

The color code for 100 ohms is brown-black-brown. But 100 ohms is too
low for testing a 9V battery. 100 ohms is fine for testing 1.5 volt
batteries at about 15 milliamp current load which is within the
capability of all AAA or larger batteries.

But 100 ohms will attempt to draw about 90 milliamps from a 9V
battery. Most 9V batteries are rated for 50 milliamps maximum load.
Your 100 ohm resistor will tend to suck them down so they all fail
your test. For a similar test effect, you should use a 1000 ohm
resistor, perhaps even higher, up to 3000 to 5000 ohms so the load is
proportional to the battery capability.

So when you are looking for the resistor at Ax-Man Surplus, the 100
ohm resistor should have Brown as the first band, black or brown or
red for the second band, and Brown again for the third band. The bands
are counted with the first band closest to one end.

The 1000 ohm resistor would have the third band colored Red instead of
brown. Since we don't care exactly what the value is between 1000 and
5000 ohms, the first band can be any of Brown or Red or Orange, or
Yellow, and we don't care at all about the second band color.

And I suggest that you look for a resistor that handles one-half watt
dissipation or more. Your batteries should never approach that but the
larger physical sizes are usually less likely to break from lots of
handling. A half watt resistor is physically about 1/8" diameter and
1/2" long with leads about 1.5" on each end.

The size you pick isn't really critical, it is really just for ease of
handling. You will probably find multiple examples to choose from, I
just suggest you don't choose the smallest size you find. Any resistor
larger than 1/2 watt will also work of course, if that is what you
find or want. The much larger watt values usually have the resistor
value simply printed on the side.

And of course buy more than one of each for when you break or loose one. :-)

Good luck. If my description isn't enough to work from, you can easily
find web pages that explain the resistor color code. And you can
always bring your voltmeter to the store and use it to check the
resistor value before you buy. Or buy a handful of different values
that have brown or red on the third band and check them at home. No
matter what you choose to do, the parts will probably cost less than
the gas to get you to the store.

Doug Reed.
North St Paul.

-- 
Scientists say the world is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons.
They forgot to mention MORONS.

She had buried three husbands and at least two of them had already been dead.

From eng at pinenet.com  Mon May 13 22:36:14 2019
From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 22:36:14 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] where to get a 100-ohm resistor?
In-Reply-To: <CAL+RLOTx8bJKcxj1-2NXaRr2CDRiE4vWCZYqC1KEa3FJ=UOYTQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Excellent!! Thanks!!

Radio Shack is still barely alive in Mora, MN. And Jameco Electronics 
has (had) great catalogs that cover a lot of entry level electronics. 
DigiKey will overwhelm many, but is certainly a great place for the 
experienced. Ax-Man is OK, but electronics technology is worth getting 
right. As you say, any 100 ohm resistor could create a problem.


Doug Reed wrote:
> Yes, the Ax-Man stores are the place to look if you don't want to ask
> someone to mail it to you. I believe there are 3 or 4 stores around
> town. The only stores I am familiar with are in St Paul and Fridley,
> but I thought there was one more in Bloomington.
>
> The color code for 100 ohms is brown-black-brown. But 100 ohms is too
> low for testing a 9V battery. 100 ohms is fine for testing 1.5 volt
> batteries at about 15 milliamp current load which is within the
> capability of all AAA or larger batteries.
>
> But 100 ohms will attempt to draw about 90 milliamps from a 9V
> battery. Most 9V batteries are rated for 50 milliamps maximum load.
> Your 100 ohm resistor will tend to suck them down so they all fail
> your test. For a similar test effect, you should use a 1000 ohm
> resistor, perhaps even higher, up to 3000 to 5000 ohms so the load is
> proportional to the battery capability.
>
> So when you are looking for the resistor at Ax-Man Surplus, the 100
> ohm resistor should have Brown as the first band, black or brown or
> red for the second band, and Brown again for the third band. The bands
> are counted with the first band closest to one end.
>
> The 1000 ohm resistor would have the third band colored Red instead of
> brown. Since we don't care exactly what the value is between 1000 and
> 5000 ohms, the first band can be any of Brown or Red or Orange, or
> Yellow, and we don't care at all about the second band color.
>
> And I suggest that you look for a resistor that handles one-half watt
> dissipation or more. Your batteries should never approach that but the
> larger physical sizes are usually less likely to break from lots of
> handling. A half watt resistor is physically about 1/8" diameter and
> 1/2" long with leads about 1.5" on each end.
>
> The size you pick isn't really critical, it is really just for ease of
> handling. You will probably find multiple examples to choose from, I
> just suggest you don't choose the smallest size you find. Any resistor
> larger than 1/2 watt will also work of course, if that is what you
> find or want. The much larger watt values usually have the resistor
> value simply printed on the side.
>
> And of course buy more than one of each for when you break or loose one. :-)
>
> Good luck. If my description isn't enough to work from, you can easily
> find web pages that explain the resistor color code. And you can
> always bring your voltmeter to the store and use it to check the
> resistor value before you buy. Or buy a handful of different values
> that have brown or red on the third band and check them at home. No
> matter what you choose to do, the parts will probably cost less than
> the gas to get you to the store.
>
> Doug Reed.
> North St Paul.
>

From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Wed May 15 23:01:07 2019
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 23:01:07 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] where to get a 100-ohm resistor?
In-Reply-To: <CAL+RLOTx8bJKcxj1-2NXaRr2CDRiE4vWCZYqC1KEa3FJ=UOYTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL+RLOTx8bJKcxj1-2NXaRr2CDRiE4vWCZYqC1KEa3FJ=UOYTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1905152243130.28639@taxahome2>

This is really helpful.  It answered a bunch of questions I had but hadn't 
asked.  People were commenting on that YouTube battery-testing video that 
a 100-ohm resister wouldn't be right for a D battery, but I guess it also 
wouldn't be right for a 9-volt.

Looking at more info out there on the web -- it's a problem for me that a 
lot of people don't seem to know what they are doing, but they are still 
there, teaching the world.  ;-)

Thanks again, Doug.

Mike


On Sun, 12 May 2019, Doug Reed wrote:

> Yes, the Ax-Man stores are the place to look if you don't want to ask 
> someone to mail it to you. I believe there are 3 or 4 stores around 
> town. The only stores I am familiar with are in St Paul and Fridley, but 
> I thought there was one more in Bloomington.
>
> The color code for 100 ohms is brown-black-brown. But 100 ohms is too 
> low for testing a 9V battery. 100 ohms is fine for testing 1.5 volt 
> batteries at about 15 milliamp current load which is within the 
> capability of all AAA or larger batteries.
>
> But 100 ohms will attempt to draw about 90 milliamps from a 9V battery. 
> Most 9V batteries are rated for 50 milliamps maximum load. Your 100 ohm 
> resistor will tend to suck them down so they all fail your test. For a 
> similar test effect, you should use a 1000 ohm resistor, perhaps even 
> higher, up to 3000 to 5000 ohms so the load is proportional to the 
> battery capability.
>
> So when you are looking for the resistor at Ax-Man Surplus, the 100 ohm 
> resistor should have Brown as the first band, black or brown or red for 
> the second band, and Brown again for the third band. The bands are 
> counted with the first band closest to one end.
>
> The 1000 ohm resistor would have the third band colored Red instead of 
> brown. Since we don't care exactly what the value is between 1000 and 
> 5000 ohms, the first band can be any of Brown or Red or Orange, or 
> Yellow, and we don't care at all about the second band color.
>
> And I suggest that you look for a resistor that handles one-half watt 
> dissipation or more. Your batteries should never approach that but the 
> larger physical sizes are usually less likely to break from lots of 
> handling. A half watt resistor is physically about 1/8" diameter and 
> 1/2" long with leads about 1.5" on each end.
>
> The size you pick isn't really critical, it is really just for ease of 
> handling. You will probably find multiple examples to choose from, I 
> just suggest you don't choose the smallest size you find. Any resistor 
> larger than 1/2 watt will also work of course, if that is what you find 
> or want. The much larger watt values usually have the resistor value 
> simply printed on the side.
>
> And of course buy more than one of each for when you break or loose one. 
> :-)
>
> Good luck. If my description isn't enough to work from, you can easily 
> find web pages that explain the resistor color code. And you can always 
> bring your voltmeter to the store and use it to check the resistor value 
> before you buy. Or buy a handful of different values that have brown or 
> red on the third band and check them at home. No matter what you choose 
> to do, the parts will probably cost less than the gas to get you to the 
> store.
>
> Doug Reed.
> North St Paul.
>
> -- 
> Scientists say the world is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. 
> They forgot to mention MORONS.
>
> She had buried three husbands and at least two of them had already been dead.

From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Wed May 15 23:41:26 2019
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 23:41:26 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] where to get a 100-ohm resistor?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1905152243130.28639@taxahome2>
References: <CAL+RLOTx8bJKcxj1-2NXaRr2CDRiE4vWCZYqC1KEa3FJ=UOYTQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.21.1905152243130.28639@taxahome2>
Message-ID: <CA2B781C-9A09-492B-ADD2-67705A2A5AF1@cwis.biz>

Doug,

it’s not battery testing but I follow BigClive on Youtube and he’s had a number of interesting videos about electronics. His one from last Friday is one I am going to employ at my work as part of monitoring a remote section of property against trespassers.

He, alone, is responsible for me spending over $250 in the last two years on small electronics gear and upgrading some of my soldering kit. :)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtM5z2gkrGRuWd0JQMx76qA <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtM5z2gkrGRuWd0JQMx76qA>

—
Ryan


> On May 15, 2019, at 11:01 PM, Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This is really helpful.  It answered a bunch of questions I had but hadn't asked.  People were commenting on that YouTube battery-testing video that a 100-ohm resister wouldn't be right for a D battery, but I guess it also wouldn't be right for a 9-volt.
> 
> Looking at more info out there on the web -- it's a problem for me that a lot of people don't seem to know what they are doing, but they are still there, teaching the world.  ;-)
> 
> Thanks again, Doug.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> On Sun, 12 May 2019, Doug Reed wrote:
> 
>> Yes, the Ax-Man stores are the place to look if you don't want to ask someone to mail it to you. I believe there are 3 or 4 stores around town. The only stores I am familiar with are in St Paul and Fridley, but I thought there was one more in Bloomington.
>> 
>> The color code for 100 ohms is brown-black-brown. But 100 ohms is too low for testing a 9V battery. 100 ohms is fine for testing 1.5 volt batteries at about 15 milliamp current load which is within the capability of all AAA or larger batteries.
>> 
>> But 100 ohms will attempt to draw about 90 milliamps from a 9V battery. Most 9V batteries are rated for 50 milliamps maximum load. Your 100 ohm resistor will tend to suck them down so they all fail your test. For a similar test effect, you should use a 1000 ohm resistor, perhaps even higher, up to 3000 to 5000 ohms so the load is proportional to the battery capability.
>> 
>> So when you are looking for the resistor at Ax-Man Surplus, the 100 ohm resistor should have Brown as the first band, black or brown or red for the second band, and Brown again for the third band. The bands are counted with the first band closest to one end.
>> 
>> The 1000 ohm resistor would have the third band colored Red instead of brown. Since we don't care exactly what the value is between 1000 and 5000 ohms, the first band can be any of Brown or Red or Orange, or Yellow, and we don't care at all about the second band color.
>> 
>> And I suggest that you look for a resistor that handles one-half watt dissipation or more. Your batteries should never approach that but the larger physical sizes are usually less likely to break from lots of handling. A half watt resistor is physically about 1/8" diameter and 1/2" long with leads about 1.5" on each end.
>> 
>> The size you pick isn't really critical, it is really just for ease of handling. You will probably find multiple examples to choose from, I just suggest you don't choose the smallest size you find. Any resistor larger than 1/2 watt will also work of course, if that is what you find or want. The much larger watt values usually have the resistor value simply printed on the side.
>> 
>> And of course buy more than one of each for when you break or loose one. :-)
>> 
>> Good luck. If my description isn't enough to work from, you can easily find web pages that explain the resistor color code. And you can always bring your voltmeter to the store and use it to check the resistor value before you buy. Or buy a handful of different values that have brown or red on the third band and check them at home. No matter what you choose to do, the parts will probably cost less than the gas to get you to the store.
>> 
>> Doug Reed.
>> North St Paul.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Scientists say the world is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. They forgot to mention MORONS.
>> 
>> She had buried three husbands and at least two of them had already been dead.
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From wdtj at yahoo.com  Thu May 16 08:22:02 2019
From: wdtj at yahoo.com (Wayne Johnson)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 13:22:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] where to get a 100-ohm resistor?
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1905152243130.28639@taxahome2>
References: <CAL+RLOTx8bJKcxj1-2NXaRr2CDRiE4vWCZYqC1KEa3FJ=UOYTQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Just remember, 50% of the people are under average intelligence.

If you really want to make a fancy battery tester, create one with a microprocessor that runs the battery through various load levels, then displays the resulting voltage as a graph on an LCD display. --- 
Wayne Johnson,             | There are two kinds of people: Those 
                           | who say to God, "Thy will be done," 
                           | and those to whom God says, "All right, 
                           | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis


      From: Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com>
 To: TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org> 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2019 11:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [tclug-list] [OT] where to get a 100-ohm resistor?
   
This is really helpful.  It answered a bunch of questions I had but hadn't 
asked.  People were commenting on that YouTube battery-testing video that 
a 100-ohm resister wouldn't be right for a D battery, but I guess it also 
wouldn't be right for a 9-volt.

Looking at more info out there on the web -- it's a problem for me that a 
lot of people don't seem to know what they are doing, but they are still 
there, teaching the world.  ;-)

Thanks again, Doug.

Mike


On Sun, 12 May 2019, Doug Reed wrote:

> Yes, the Ax-Man stores are the place to look if you don't want to ask 
> someone to mail it to you. I believe there are 3 or 4 stores around 
> town. The only stores I am familiar with are in St Paul and Fridley, but 
> I thought there was one more in Bloomington.
>
> The color code for 100 ohms is brown-black-brown. But 100 ohms is too 
> low for testing a 9V battery. 100 ohms is fine for testing 1.5 volt 
> batteries at about 15 milliamp current load which is within the 
> capability of all AAA or larger batteries.
>
> But 100 ohms will attempt to draw about 90 milliamps from a 9V battery. 
> Most 9V batteries are rated for 50 milliamps maximum load. Your 100 ohm 
> resistor will tend to suck them down so they all fail your test. For a 
> similar test effect, you should use a 1000 ohm resistor, perhaps even 
> higher, up to 3000 to 5000 ohms so the load is proportional to the 
> battery capability.
>
> So when you are looking for the resistor at Ax-Man Surplus, the 100 ohm 
> resistor should have Brown as the first band, black or brown or red for 
> the second band, and Brown again for the third band. The bands are 
> counted with the first band closest to one end.
>
> The 1000 ohm resistor would have the third band colored Red instead of 
> brown. Since we don't care exactly what the value is between 1000 and 
> 5000 ohms, the first band can be any of Brown or Red or Orange, or 
> Yellow, and we don't care at all about the second band color.
>
> And I suggest that you look for a resistor that handles one-half watt 
> dissipation or more. Your batteries should never approach that but the 
> larger physical sizes are usually less likely to break from lots of 
> handling. A half watt resistor is physically about 1/8" diameter and 
> 1/2" long with leads about 1.5" on each end.
>
> The size you pick isn't really critical, it is really just for ease of 
> handling. You will probably find multiple examples to choose from, I 
> just suggest you don't choose the smallest size you find. Any resistor 
> larger than 1/2 watt will also work of course, if that is what you find 
> or want. The much larger watt values usually have the resistor value 
> simply printed on the side.
>
> And of course buy more than one of each for when you break or loose one. 
> :-)
>
> Good luck. If my description isn't enough to work from, you can easily 
> find web pages that explain the resistor color code. And you can always 
> bring your voltmeter to the store and use it to check the resistor value 
> before you buy. Or buy a handful of different values that have brown or 
> red on the third band and check them at home. No matter what you choose 
> to do, the parts will probably cost less than the gas to get you to the 
> store.
>
> Doug Reed.
> North St Paul.
>
> -- 
> Scientists say the world is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. 
> They forgot to mention MORONS.
>
> She had buried three husbands and at least two of them had already been dead.
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From mbmiller+l at gmail.com  Thu May 16 09:39:53 2019
From: mbmiller+l at gmail.com (Mike Miller)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 09:39:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] where to get a 100-ohm resistor?
In-Reply-To: <CA2B781C-9A09-492B-ADD2-67705A2A5AF1@cwis.biz>
References: <CAL+RLOTx8bJKcxj1-2NXaRr2CDRiE4vWCZYqC1KEa3FJ=UOYTQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CA2B781C-9A09-492B-ADD2-67705A2A5AF1@cwis.biz>
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On Wed, 15 May 2019, Ryan Coleman wrote:

> it’s not battery testing but I follow BigClive on Youtube and he’s had a 
> number of interesting videos about electronics. His one from last Friday 
> is one I am going to employ at my work as part of monitoring a remote 
> section of property against trespassers.
>
> He, alone, is responsible for me spending over $250 in the last two 
> years on small electronics gear and upgrading some of my soldering kit. 
> :)
>
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtM5z2gkrGRuWd0JQMx76qA 
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtM5z2gkrGRuWd0JQMx76qA>

That guy is very entertaining.  He has put up 1,447 videos in 11 years. 
That's a lot of videos!  537,490 subscribers is a lot too.

Mike

From eng at pinenet.com  Fri May 17 02:23:41 2019
From: eng at pinenet.com (Rick Engebretson)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 02:23:41 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] where to get a 100-ohm resistor?
In-Reply-To: <502162982.1237544.1558012922766@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAL+RLOTx8bJKcxj1-2NXaRr2CDRiE4vWCZYqC1KEa3FJ=UOYTQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.21.1905152243130.28639@taxahome2>
 <502162982.1237544.1558012922766@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d071d975-3750-3f37-0a6f-d88b95b6b23b@pinenet.com>

As an old dummy, I would go to Goodwill or a junkyard and get a good 
looking old radio amplifier to salvage. IIRC, the volume control is a 
reasonable wattage wire wound variable resistor. It would also give you 
a box.

The landfills are getting full of valuable, re-usable electronic components.

Wayne Johnson wrote:
> Just remember, 50% of the people are under average intelligence.
>
> If you really want to make a fancy battery tester, create one with a
> microprocessor that runs the battery through various load levels, then
> displays the resulting voltage as a graph on an LCD display.
>
> ---
> Wayne Johnson,             | There are two kinds of people: Those
>                            | who say to God, "Thy will be done,"
>                            | and those to whom God says, "All right,
>                            | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com>
> *To:* TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2019 11:01 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [tclug-list] [OT] where to get a 100-ohm resistor?
>
> This is really helpful.  It answered a bunch of questions I had but hadn't
> asked.  People were commenting on that YouTube battery-testing video that
> a 100-ohm resister wouldn't be right for a D battery, but I guess it also
> wouldn't be right for a 9-volt.
>
> Looking at more info out there on the web -- it's a problem for me that a
> lot of people don't seem to know what they are doing, but they are still
> there, teaching the world.  ;-)
>
> Thanks again, Doug.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Sun, 12 May 2019, Doug Reed wrote:
>
>> Yes, the Ax-Man stores are the place to look if you don't want to ask
>> someone to mail it to you. I believe there are 3 or 4 stores around
>> town. The only stores I am familiar with are in St Paul and Fridley, but
>> I thought there was one more in Bloomington.
>>
>> The color code for 100 ohms is brown-black-brown. But 100 ohms is too
>> low for testing a 9V battery. 100 ohms is fine for testing 1.5 volt
>> batteries at about 15 milliamp current load which is within the
>> capability of all AAA or larger batteries.
>>
>> But 100 ohms will attempt to draw about 90 milliamps from a 9V battery.
>> Most 9V batteries are rated for 50 milliamps maximum load. Your 100 ohm
>> resistor will tend to suck them down so they all fail your test. For a
>> similar test effect, you should use a 1000 ohm resistor, perhaps even
>> higher, up to 3000 to 5000 ohms so the load is proportional to the
>> battery capability.
>>
>> So when you are looking for the resistor at Ax-Man Surplus, the 100 ohm
>> resistor should have Brown as the first band, black or brown or red for
>> the second band, and Brown again for the third band. The bands are
>> counted with the first band closest to one end.
>>
>> The 1000 ohm resistor would have the third band colored Red instead of
>> brown. Since we don't care exactly what the value is between 1000 and
>> 5000 ohms, the first band can be any of Brown or Red or Orange, or
>> Yellow, and we don't care at all about the second band color.
>>
>> And I suggest that you look for a resistor that handles one-half watt
>> dissipation or more. Your batteries should never approach that but the
>> larger physical sizes are usually less likely to break from lots of
>> handling. A half watt resistor is physically about 1/8" diameter and
>> 1/2" long with leads about 1.5" on each end.
>>
>> The size you pick isn't really critical, it is really just for ease of
>> handling. You will probably find multiple examples to choose from, I
>> just suggest you don't choose the smallest size you find. Any resistor
>> larger than 1/2 watt will also work of course, if that is what you find
>> or want. The much larger watt values usually have the resistor value
>> simply printed on the side.
>>
>> And of course buy more than one of each for when you break or loose one.
>> :-)
>>
>> Good luck. If my description isn't enough to work from, you can easily
>> find web pages that explain the resistor color code. And you can always
>> bring your voltmeter to the store and use it to check the resistor value
>> before you buy. Or buy a handful of different values that have brown or
>> red on the third band and check them at home. No matter what you choose
>> to do, the parts will probably cost less than the gas to get you to the
>> store.
>>
>> Doug Reed.
>> North St Paul.
>>
>> --
>> Scientists say the world is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons.
>> They forgot to mention MORONS.
>>
>> She had buried three husbands and at least two of them had already
> been dead.
> _______________________________________________
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> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

From ryan.coleman at cwis.biz  Fri May 17 21:47:17 2019
From: ryan.coleman at cwis.biz (Ryan Coleman)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 21:47:17 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] [OT] where to get a 100-ohm resistor?
In-Reply-To: <d071d975-3750-3f37-0a6f-d88b95b6b23b@pinenet.com>
References: <CAL+RLOTx8bJKcxj1-2NXaRr2CDRiE4vWCZYqC1KEa3FJ=UOYTQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.21.1905152243130.28639@taxahome2>
 <502162982.1237544.1558012922766@mail.yahoo.com>
 <d071d975-3750-3f37-0a6f-d88b95b6b23b@pinenet.com>
Message-ID: <CC4B0E5D-D856-473E-8E4C-6D3A802AC9A9@cwis.biz>

You can find the same thing at Ax Man Suplus. :)

> On May 17, 2019, at 2:23 AM, Rick Engebretson <eng at pinenet.com> wrote:
> 
> As an old dummy, I would go to Goodwill or a junkyard and get a good looking old radio amplifier to salvage. IIRC, the volume control is a reasonable wattage wire wound variable resistor. It would also give you a box.
> 
> The landfills are getting full of valuable, re-usable electronic components.
> 
> Wayne Johnson wrote:
>> Just remember, 50% of the people are under average intelligence.
>> 
>> If you really want to make a fancy battery tester, create one with a
>> microprocessor that runs the battery through various load levels, then
>> displays the resulting voltage as a graph on an LCD display.
>> 
>> ---
>> Wayne Johnson,             | There are two kinds of people: Those
>>                           | who say to God, "Thy will be done,"
>>                           | and those to whom God says, "All right,
>>                           | then, have it your way." --C.S. Lewis
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Mike Miller <mbmiller+l at gmail.com>
>> *To:* TCLUG Mailing List <tclug-list at mn-linux.org>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2019 11:01 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [tclug-list] [OT] where to get a 100-ohm resistor?
>> 
>> This is really helpful.  It answered a bunch of questions I had but hadn't
>> asked.  People were commenting on that YouTube battery-testing video that
>> a 100-ohm resister wouldn't be right for a D battery, but I guess it also
>> wouldn't be right for a 9-volt.
>> 
>> Looking at more info out there on the web -- it's a problem for me that a
>> lot of people don't seem to know what they are doing, but they are still
>> there, teaching the world.  ;-)
>> 
>> Thanks again, Doug.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, 12 May 2019, Doug Reed wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, the Ax-Man stores are the place to look if you don't want to ask
>>> someone to mail it to you. I believe there are 3 or 4 stores around
>>> town. The only stores I am familiar with are in St Paul and Fridley, but
>>> I thought there was one more in Bloomington.
>>> 
>>> The color code for 100 ohms is brown-black-brown. But 100 ohms is too
>>> low for testing a 9V battery. 100 ohms is fine for testing 1.5 volt
>>> batteries at about 15 milliamp current load which is within the
>>> capability of all AAA or larger batteries.
>>> 
>>> But 100 ohms will attempt to draw about 90 milliamps from a 9V battery.
>>> Most 9V batteries are rated for 50 milliamps maximum load. Your 100 ohm
>>> resistor will tend to suck them down so they all fail your test. For a
>>> similar test effect, you should use a 1000 ohm resistor, perhaps even
>>> higher, up to 3000 to 5000 ohms so the load is proportional to the
>>> battery capability.
>>> 
>>> So when you are looking for the resistor at Ax-Man Surplus, the 100 ohm
>>> resistor should have Brown as the first band, black or brown or red for
>>> the second band, and Brown again for the third band. The bands are
>>> counted with the first band closest to one end.
>>> 
>>> The 1000 ohm resistor would have the third band colored Red instead of
>>> brown. Since we don't care exactly what the value is between 1000 and
>>> 5000 ohms, the first band can be any of Brown or Red or Orange, or
>>> Yellow, and we don't care at all about the second band color.
>>> 
>>> And I suggest that you look for a resistor that handles one-half watt
>>> dissipation or more. Your batteries should never approach that but the
>>> larger physical sizes are usually less likely to break from lots of
>>> handling. A half watt resistor is physically about 1/8" diameter and
>>> 1/2" long with leads about 1.5" on each end.
>>> 
>>> The size you pick isn't really critical, it is really just for ease of
>>> handling. You will probably find multiple examples to choose from, I
>>> just suggest you don't choose the smallest size you find. Any resistor
>>> larger than 1/2 watt will also work of course, if that is what you find
>>> or want. The much larger watt values usually have the resistor value
>>> simply printed on the side.
>>> 
>>> And of course buy more than one of each for when you break or loose one.
>>> :-)
>>> 
>>> Good luck. If my description isn't enough to work from, you can easily
>>> find web pages that explain the resistor color code. And you can always
>>> bring your voltmeter to the store and use it to check the resistor value
>>> before you buy. Or buy a handful of different values that have brown or
>>> red on the third band and check them at home. No matter what you choose
>>> to do, the parts will probably cost less than the gas to get you to the
>>> store.
>>> 
>>> Doug Reed.
>>> North St Paul.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Scientists say the world is made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons.
>>> They forgot to mention MORONS.
>>> 
>>> She had buried three husbands and at least two of them had already
>> been dead.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org> <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org <mailto:tclug-list at mn-linux.org>>
>> http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list <http://mailman.mn-linux.org/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From woodbrian77 at gmail.com  Sat May 18 10:53:51 2019
From: woodbrian77 at gmail.com (Brian Wood)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2019 10:53:51 -0500
Subject: [tclug-list] HPE buys Cray
Message-ID: <CABWFOjvmLSwiZHAjXq1QOAJSS4xcmPisZZXWoT6ZwytSPCDEdA@mail.gmail.com>

What do you think of this?
I wasn't happy when Cub was bought by another company.  But Cub
faces Target, Walmart and Amazon.  I guess I should go to more farmers'
markets.
https://www.twincities.com/2019/05/17/hp-enterprise-to-buy-supercomputer-pioneer-cray/


They both have C++ compilers.  I hope their future compiler(s)
will support #pragma once.  IIrc, Cray's compiler doesn't support that.
And I hope they will support #import.  I'm not sure if either of them
support that at this time, but both GCC and Clang support #import
as an extension.  I use both #pragma once and #import with my
software.  I use #import though only in the closed source part of
my code.


Brian
Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust.
https://github.com/Ebenezer-group/onwards
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