From natecars at real-time.com Fri Dec 7 17:44:44 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:31 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] [Fw: RG-1000 special] Message-ID: $59 for a RG-1000. Wow! I just ordered three.. two for me, one for Carl. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 09:30:16 -0800 From: Rick Lindahl Reply-To: ptp@lists.spack.org To: ptp@lists.spack.org Subject: [ptp] RG-1000 special To all, Just got word of a deal that is too good to be true! I just got written and verbal confirmation on the following deal from Avaya (Lucent) RG-1000 Residential Gateway (internal Silver NIC) your price: $59.95 (invoice price, no rebate to wait for) This is not a typo...less expensive than a PC Card alone! I bought and use one of these myself, but for almost $400 earlier this year. This is an incredible price and they are making it good through the end of Jan 2002. Sorry to make such a commercial blurb on the list but I thought it was important for everyone to know about this deal. We are an Authorized Business Partner for Avaya and can get these for anyone at this price. I would suggest we pool orders so as to save on freight, as well. Please contact me off list with any questions. Thanks, Rick Lindahl Lindahl Wireless Solutions "Your Fixed-Wireless Solutions Partner" Division of Invictus Networks, LLC 503-635-2562, cell 503-351-7388, fax 253-3222-3633 ICQ# 24774264 -- the personal telco project - http://www.personaltelco.net/ un/subscribe: http://lists.personaltelco.net/mailman/listinfo/ptp/ archives: http://lists.personaltelco.net/pipermail/ptp/ From thomas at stderr.net Fri Dec 7 18:49:55 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:31 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] [Fw: RG-1000 special] In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 04:49:26PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011208005144.G95368@io.stderr.net> On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 04:49:26PM -0600, Nate Carlson wrote: > $59 for a RG-1000. Wow! > > I just ordered three.. two for me, one for Carl. What exactly is it a RG-1000 is? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Fri Dec 7 21:15:10 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:31 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Orinoco and XP In-Reply-To: <20011208005144.G95368@io.stderr.net> References: <20011208005144.G95368@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20011207204041.6782846c.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Thomas Eibner wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 04:49:26PM -0600, Nate Carlson wrote: > > $59 for a RG-1000. Wow! > > > > I just ordered three.. two for me, one for Carl. > > What exactly is it a RG-1000 is? an RG-1000 is an access point that uses an Orinoco Silver card, so it supports 128-bit WEP. It's what my roommate should have bought instead of his Linksys WAP11, I guess. On that subject, does anyone know if there is an incompatibility between the Linksys WAP11 and the Orinoco Silver card? My roommate hasn't been able to get WEP working, though he's just using Windows XP's native drivers for the card. -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ It's not a tuber! / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20011207/b8091b44/attachment.pgp From natecars at real-time.com Fri Dec 7 21:15:13 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:31 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] [Fw: RG-1000 special] In-Reply-To: <20011208005144.G95368@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 8 Dec 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > What exactly is it a RG-1000 is? http://www.orinocowireless.com/template.html?section=m59&page=129&envelope=95 It's a wireless access point with an integrated 40-bit PCMCIA card (it's actually an Orinoco Silver.. you can take it out and use it in a laptop, if you want to void the warranty of the RG-1000). With the default firmware, it can either run as a bridging AP (jsut a standard dumb access point), or you can run it in NAT mode (it has a 56k modem that it can NAT out to your clients, or else it has an ethernet port it can use). You can also load the firmware from an AP-500 onto it, which adds 128-bit WEP (and, as I understand it, upgrades the PCMCIA card to a Orinoco Gold in the process!), and some other cool features. AP 500 URL: http://www.orinocowireless.com/template.html?section=m58&page=1407&envelope=94 Another option is firmware from KarlNet (www.karlnet.com), which can turn these things into Wireless Bridges and Access Point Clients, making them ideal for the Customer Premise Equipment for a WISP. I've also seen people booting Linux/BSD on these (X86-based hardware), and the hardware is identical to the Apple Airports (if you so desire, you can put the Apple firmware on them). (Wow, I sound like a market droid!) It doesn't have a built-in external antenna jack, but you can easily rip it apart and use a standard Orinoco PCMCIA card -> N cable. Best price I've seen on these before now is around $150 on Ebay; this is insanely cheap. If you don't have any wireless networking gear yet, this is a great way to get started. I haven't actually personally used one of these before, but I know plenty of people who have, and I will be using one in a week or so when it gets here.. :) (I'm planning on using at least one of them to expand the network in my house. I'm going to set up a separate "wireless" network, where each of the access points jack in to, which then hooks up to a ethernet port on my firewall that only allows encrypted access through. Right now I just use 128-bit WEP, tsk-tsk.) So now my AP collection will have 1x D-Link DWL-1000AP, 2x Linksys WAP11 (highly recommend these for bridging/PtP/PtMP applications!), and 2x RG-1000's.. fun! :) Heh, I'll have more AP's than I have cards.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Dec 7 22:27:42 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:31 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Orinoco and XP In-Reply-To: <20011207204041.6782846c.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Mike Hicks wrote: > an RG-1000 is an access point that uses an Orinoco Silver card, so it > supports 128-bit WEP. It's what my roommate should have bought instead of > his Linksys WAP11, I guess. Note: Orinoco Silver == 40/64-bit WEP.. you have to upgrade the cards to support 128-bit (which apparently you can do with the RG-1000's, if you install AP-500 firmware.. :) > On that subject, does anyone know if there is an incompatibility between > the Linksys WAP11 and the Orinoco Silver card? My roommate hasn't been > able to get WEP working, though he's just using Windows XP's native > drivers for the card. Linksys broke WEP with non-Linksys devices in firmware release 1.4h3 (along with a bunch'a other stuff!); WEP works perfectly for me with Cisco 340 and Prism2-based cards on either 1.4g5 (Linksys-provided) or the SMC Firmware v1.4g7 (SMC makes a device that's got the same hardware as the WAP11, so you can load it's firmware onto it if you so desire). Basically, if you've got a WAP11, run 1.4g[57] on any device you want to be an access point, and 1.4h3 on any device you want to be an AP Client or PtP/PtMP bridge. Until Linksys or Atmel fix their firmware, that is. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Dec 8 00:16:55 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:31 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <20011207220835.40e3ada3.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> The media is definitely jumping on the bandwagon of bashing wireless security. Has anyone else seen this yet? http://news.mpr.org/features/200112/10_gordonj_wireless/ -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ Can atheists get insurance / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ for acts of God? \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From hick0088 at tc.umn.edu Sat Dec 8 00:40:33 2001 From: hick0088 at tc.umn.edu (Mike Hicks) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:32 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Orinoco and XP In-Reply-To: References: <20011207204041.6782846c.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011207225240.535972ed.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> wrote: > > Note: Orinoco Silver == 40/64-bit WEP.. you have to upgrade the cards to > support 128-bit (which apparently you can do with the RG-1000's, if you > install AP-500 firmware.. :) Interesting. My roommate is definitely under the impression that Silver cards can do 128-bit WEP. Not sure where he got that idea. > Basically, if you've got a WAP11, run 1.4g[57] on any device you want to > be an access point, and 1.4h3 on any device you want to be an AP Client or > PtP/PtMP bridge. Until Linksys or Atmel fix their firmware, that is. :) Hmm. We'll have to try that out, though I'm not sure if I have appropriate client software for that firmware version.. Does anyone know of decent documentation anywhere that describes how to talk to a WAP11 via SNMP with a Linux/Unix box? Linksys provides MIB files, but they've been nearly useless to me... -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ "Cogito, eggo sum." I / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ think, therefore I am a \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) waffle. [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20011208/87f4636e/attachment.pgp From dieman at ringworld.org Sat Dec 8 01:36:31 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:32 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20011207220835.40e3ada3.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> References: <20011207220835.40e3ada3.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20011208002849.B24646@ringworld.org> * Mike Hicks [011208 00:17]: > The media is definitely jumping on the bandwagon of bashing wireless > security. Has anyone else seen this yet? > > http://news.mpr.org/features/200112/10_gordonj_wireless/ Yeah, the MPR report is much more classy than what WCCO did on TV. "Computer scientists are working on new, more secure technical standards for wireless networks. But that's a couple of years away." Is mostly untrue, however. Theres solutions right now, propreitary at worst (cisco everything), and 'hard' at best (IPSEC everything). And, they linked to sans. good reporters. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From natecars at real-time.com Sat Dec 8 01:47:16 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:32 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: Orinoco and XP In-Reply-To: <20011207223754.W32101@ringworld.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Scott Dier wrote: > > Basically, if you've got a WAP11, run 1.4g[57] on any device you want to > > be an access point, and 1.4h3 on any device you want to be an AP Client or > > PtP/PtMP bridge. Until Linksys or Atmel fix their firmware, that is. :) > > OOOO. These things can be AP bridges? IE: bridge a wired network to > another AP of any vendor to another wired network? No, not another AP of any vendor, unfortunately. :( It'll work with any Atmel-based radio.. in AP Client Mode, the WAP11 will only bridge a single IP. The Orinoco's with KarlNet upgrades will connect to KarlNet or Cisco (apparently) AP's, and bridge up to 8 IP's. Pricing for RG-1000's plus KarlNet: 2x RG-1000 $120 1x KarlNet Ethernet Converter SW $ 50 1x KarlNet AP Software $ 75 ---- $245 Not too bad, considering these AP's retail for $195/ea right now.. :) But, yeah, still have to stay within your vendor. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Sat Dec 8 01:47:24 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:32 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Orinoco and XP In-Reply-To: <20011207225240.535972ed.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Mike Hicks wrote: > > Note: Orinoco Silver == 40/64-bit WEP.. you have to upgrade the cards to > > support 128-bit (which apparently you can do with the RG-1000's, if you > > install AP-500 firmware.. :) > > Interesting. My roommate is definitely under the impression that Silver > cards can do 128-bit WEP. Not sure where he got that idea. Yeah,, 'Bronze' == no encryption, 'Silver' == 40bit wep, 'Gold' == 128bit wep. > > Basically, if you've got a WAP11, run 1.4g[57] on any device you want to > > be an access point, and 1.4h3 on any device you want to be an AP Client > or > > PtP/PtMP bridge. Until Linksys or Atmel fix their firmware, that is. :) > > Hmm. We'll have to try that out, though I'm not sure if I have > appropriate client software for that firmware version.. > > Does anyone know of decent documentation anywhere that describes how to > talk to a WAP11 via SNMP with a Linux/Unix box? Linksys provides MIB > files, but they've been nearly useless to me... New software will generally talk with older firmware just fine. 1.4h3 totally breaks SNMP though. Downgrading the firmware is a pain.. Linksys says you can't do it. Basically, what you have to do, is take the newest installer, copy the firmware from the older version over the firmware it includes, and then run it. Real pain! Only things I've seen for Linux: http://gwap11.sourceforge.net/ In other words, nothing that works yet. :( -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From andyw at pobox.com Sun Dec 9 11:29:09 2001 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:32 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] [Fw: RG-1000 special] In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 08:42:23PM -0600 References: <20011208005144.G95368@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20011209105350.C3801@florence.linkmargin.com> natecars@real-time.com wrote: > [...] > You can also load the firmware from an AP-500 onto it, which adds 128-bit > WEP (and, as I understand it, upgrades the PCMCIA card to a Orinoco Gold > in the process!), and some other cool features. I'm not so sure about that. The AP-500 shipped with a gold card, I believe - hence it's 128-bit capability. I think you're still limited to 40-bit (Silver card) if you load the image up on a RG-1000. I believe it *may* be possible to upgrade a silver card to do 128-bit WEP, I just don't think the stock AP-500 firmware image will do it. The reason I suspect that you might be able do it is that Apple are touting 128-bit support in their Airport 2.0 software: >AirPort 2.0 software >Compatible with all versions of AirPort Cards >and Base Stations, AirPort 2.0 software brings >enhanced features to AirPort wireless networks. >AirPort 2.0 software can upgrade original AirPort >Cards to support 128-bit encryption (encryption >for original AirPort Base Stations will remain >40-bit). Software Update will auto install AirPort >2.0, or you can download manual installers for >both Mac OS X and Mac OS 9. Either the card is upgradable, or they've moved WEP off the card and into the driver on the Mac. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 From andyw at pobox.com Sun Dec 9 11:37:49 2001 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:32 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20011208002849.B24646@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 12:28:49AM -0600 References: <20011207220835.40e3ada3.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20011208002849.B24646@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011209105314.B3801@florence.linkmargin.com> Scott Dier wrote: > [...] > "Computer scientists are working on new, more secure technical standards > for wireless networks. But that's a couple of years away." > > Is mostly untrue, however. Theres solutions right now, propreitary at > worst (cisco everything), and 'hard' at best (IPSEC everything). I think he was referring to 802.1x being deployable (including per-session keys & key refresh) and the timespan that people are looking at {fixing,replacing} WEP. He's talking about making the medium secure, but it may all be moot by then; hopefully everyone that needs to will be treating 802.11 as an untrusted medium (and running VPN/SSH/IPSec/ References: <20011207220835.40e3ada3.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20011208002849.B24646@ringworld.org> <20011209105314.B3801@florence.linkmargin.com> Message-ID: <20011209114959.N24646@ringworld.org> * Andy Warner [011209 11:39]: > I think he was referring to 802.1x being deployable (including I think thats really only an issue in provider networks. If your not running a provider network, you can easily restrict and buy only from the vendors that meet criteria. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From andyw at linkmargin.com Sun Dec 9 23:44:45 2001 From: andyw at linkmargin.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:32 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20011208002849.B24646@ringworld.org>; from dieman@ringworld.org on Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 12:28:49AM -0600 References: <20011207220835.40e3ada3.hick0088@tc.umn.edu> <20011208002849.B24646@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20011208214642.A26726@florence.linkmargin.com> Scott Dier wrote: > [...] > "Computer scientists are working on new, more secure technical standards > for wireless networks. But that's a couple of years away." > > Is mostly untrue, however. Theres solutions right now, propreitary at > worst (cisco everything), and 'hard' at best (IPSEC everything). I think he was referring to 802.1x being deployable (including per-session keys & key refresh) and the timespan that people are looking at {fixing,replacing} WEP. He's talking about making the medium secure, but it may all be moot by then; hopefully everyone that needs to will be treating 802.11 as an untrusted medium (and running VPN/SSH/IPSec/; from natecars@real-time.com on Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 08:42:23PM -0600 References: <20011208005144.G95368@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20011208215954.B26726@florence.linkmargin.com> natecars@real-time.com wrote: > [...] > You can also load the firmware from an AP-500 onto it, which adds 128-bit > WEP (and, as I understand it, upgrades the PCMCIA card to a Orinoco Gold > in the process!), and some other cool features. I'm not so sure about that. The AP-500 shipped with a gold card, I believe - hence it's 128-bit capability. I think you're still limited to 40-bit (Silver card) if you load the image up on a RG-1000. I believe it *may* be possible to upgrade a silver card to do 128-bit WEP, I just don't think the stock AP-500 firmware image will do it. The reason I suspect that you might be able do it is that Apple are touting 128-bit support in their Airport 2.0 software: >AirPort 2.0 software >Compatible with all versions of AirPort Cards >and Base Stations, AirPort 2.0 software brings >enhanced features to AirPort wireless networks. >AirPort 2.0 software can upgrade original AirPort >Cards to support 128-bit encryption (encryption >for original AirPort Base Stations will remain >40-bit). Software Update will auto install AirPort >2.0, or you can download manual installers for >both Mac OS X and Mac OS 9. Either the card is upgradable, or they've moved WEP off the card and into the driver on the Mac. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 From andyw at pobox.com Mon Dec 10 02:18:08 2001 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:32 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Dups. In-Reply-To: <20011208215954.B26726@florence.linkmargin.com>; from andyw@linkmargin.com on Sat, Dec 08, 2001 at 09:59:54PM -0600 References: <20011208005144.G95368@io.stderr.net> <20011208215954.B26726@florence.linkmargin.com> Message-ID: <20011210001247.D4541@florence.linkmargin.com> Sorry about the dups, these were sent from my work email address, and spooled pending list-admin approval (because of my email skew and the closed list.) They got approved, but not before I re-sent from my list-approved email address. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Dec 26 10:45:07 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:32 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: netstumbler In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D295@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Carl Soderstrom said you have a program for linux like Netstumbler. > What's the name of it? I've searched everywhere and I can't find one. Don't have anything just like netstumbler, but a few options that are similar: - dstumbler, only runs on bsd, supposed to work very well: http://www.dachb0den.com/projects/bsd-airtools.html - gtk-scanner; works with Orinoco and my Aironet card; pretty nice: http://sourceforge.net/projects/wavelan-tools/ - airtraf; haven't tried it yet, on my todo list: http://sourceforge.net/projects/airtraf/ - prismstumbler; also haven't played with it yet, but looks nice: http://prismstumbler.sourceforge.net/ -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500