Chris Elmquist wrote:
> [...]
> > will do 9600 bps, but i assume you can find ones that will transmit
> > faster.  IIRC the limit on 2Meters is 19.6 but on 440 it's 56k. If a
> > couple of us have ham licenses we could set up a backbone that way. Oh
> > well, just thinking out loud.
> 
> I think there may be some interesting/slightly useful things to do involving
> mobile applications.  Andy Warner can comment on the status of it--  but the
> 9600bps repeater on the top of Moos Tower makes it alot easier to get reliable
> link from lots of places around town on UHF.  There is also (or was) a
> gateway from the wired Internet to this 9600bps RF network so you could
> originate frames on the wired side, destin for some mobile unit on the RF
> side.  I envisioned sending real-time or near real-time traffic data 

Both the gateway and the repeater still seem to be operational:

$ traceroute $_
traceroute to augs-gw.tcman.ampr.org (44.94.9.14), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
 1  10.38.224.1 (10.38.224.1)  847.710 ms  199.402 ms  434.667 ms
 2  msp-hub1-gsr-b-pos5-0.mn.rr.com (24.26.161.37)  12.705 ms  28.341 ms  10.236 ms
 3  mplsmn01-rtr1-pos-2-0.mn.rr.com (24.26.161.1)  11.978 ms  11.121 ms  12.244 ms
 4  acr2-sonet2-1-0-0.Minneapolis.cw.net (208.174.1.129)  11.946 ms  12.663 ms  13.693 ms
 5  acr1-loopback.Chicagochd.cw.net (208.172.2.61)  20.782 ms  22.097 ms  19.945 ms
 6  corerouter1.WillowSprings.cw.net (204.70.9.135)  21.420 ms  22.567 ms  19.957 ms
 7  bordercore2.WillowSprings.cw.net (166.48.22.1)  22.182 ms  22.270 ms  22.152 ms
 8  concentric-networks.WillowSprings.cw.net (166.48.23.250)  23.811 ms  23.983 ms  23.470 ms
 9  a14-0d603.tran1.chi-il.us.xo.net (207.88.50.129)  26.410 ms  22.372 ms  21.998 ms
10  ge5-3-1.RAR1.Chicago-IL.us.xo.net (64.220.0.189)  23.795 ms  22.924 ms  31.848 ms
11  p0-0-0-0.RAR2.Chicago-IL.us.xo.net (65.106.1.86)  22.553 ms  23.419 ms  21.948 ms
12  p1-0-0.RAR1.Dallas-TX.us.xo.net (65.106.0.34)  46.553 ms  46.272 ms  48.873 ms
13  p6-0-0.RAR2.LA-CA.us.xo.net (65.106.0.14)  105.908 ms  75.908 ms  76.259 ms
14  ge1-0.dist1.lax-ca.us.xo.net (64.220.0.99)  80.012 ms  77.945 ms  75.461 ms
15  a2-0d2.dist1.sdg-ca.us.xo.net (206.111.14.238)  79.769 ms  81.098 ms  83.312 ms
16  209.31.222.150 (209.31.222.150)  84.804 ms  83.669 ms  82.825 ms
17  206.111.14.118 (206.111.14.118)  114.955 ms  84.460 ms  85.300 ms
18  node-b-msfc--ucsd-gw.ucsd.edu (132.239.255.141)  86.153 ms  85.358 ms  88.919 ms
19  132.239.255.163 (132.239.255.163)  85.435 ms  86.405 ms  84.444 ms
20  mirrorshades.ucsd.edu (128.54.16.18)  91.220 ms  87.415 ms  86.804 ms
21  augs-gw.tcman.ampr.org (44.94.9.14)  117.528 ms  120.398 ms  212.582 ms
$ 

IIRC, the repeater is on 444.400/449.400. If you listen with a
standard NBFM rx (to the output on 444.4), it sounds like the
squelch breaks every now and again.

Two things would make me lobby to keep the amateur stuff distinct from
any free-net:

	o the content restrictions that apply to ham traffic
	  (no commercial, offensive, music etc etc etc)

	o the *huge* speed disparity, even between a 1Mbps 802.11
	  connection and a 56Kbps one.
-- 
andyw at pobox.com

Andy Warner		Voice: (612) 801-8549	Fax: (208) 575-5634