I'm glad to see someone else seriously considering the organizational status
of TCWUG and the facts that we cannot have projects or own or manage
equipment unless and until we are a non-profit org of our own.

I'm concerned however that an arrangement with the Gopher HAM Club may not
be so good either: it may be more temporary than TCWUG may want.  If
equipment is given to the HAM club, it is theirs, not ours.  If it's a
student club, then there's nobody with continuity, and they could decide to
limit usage or scrap out the equipment if there are no interested student
leaders for WiFi that semester.  Student enthusiasm is great, but usually
peaks in the sophomore year and fades away afterwards.

Chuck


> -----Original Message-----
> From: tcwug-list-admin at tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-admin at tcwug.org]On
> Behalf Of steve ulrich
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:02 AM
> To: tcwug-list at tcwug.org
> Cc: 'SpencerUnderground '; 'Renee Ladd '; 'W Braun '
> Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Install Moos [hurdle]
>
>
>
> setting aside the issues associated with the terms of the lease and
> such.  i would like to applaud arnan for stepping up to the plate and
> being willing to engage the ham club and tcwug in what i think is
> ultimately a very generous offer.  being pragmatic about things i
> don't think that there's anything in the terms of the lease offered by
> arnan that is draconian - this is standard lease stuff, which
> includes holding the leasee responsible for the state of the goods
> given that they don't really hold title to the gear in question.
>
> i don't think that it's fair for arnan to lease the gear (at zero
> cost) and expect them to pay for the gear to be fixed if something
> happens to it.
>
> unfortunately - i believe we've run into the the hurdle that i think
> we all saw coming wrt a loose knit group of individuals having an
> interest in a particular technology and no formal mechanisms to engage
> organizations (read: businesses) that would like to do something good,
> like arnan.
>
> despite the best held intentions of the parties involved, there are
> times when the needs of both cannot be addressed.  in all fairness i
> doubt we (tcwug specifically) are in a position to engage anybody in
> such a dialog until we formalize (legally) our organization.
>
> as an aside - it would likely behoove us (tcwug) to come to a good
> working arrangement with the gopher radio club to address these
> matters in the best (overlapping) interests of the 2 groups.
>