From sulrich at botwerks.org Sat Nov 1 11:29:26 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:03 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] administravia: oreilly and assoc. newsletter Message-ID: <20031101172926.GA66433@botwerks.org> all- attached is the newsletter if you're interested in reading it. not too much of specific interest. -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC -------------- next part -------------- ================================================================ O'Reilly UG Program News--Just for User Group Leaders October 31, 2003 ================================================================ -CD copies of Mac Developer Journal issue number one for your members -Do You Have a Tip, Suggestion, or Question to Share? -Put Up an Emerging Technology Conference Banner, Get a Free Book ---------------------------------------------------------------- Book Info ---------------------------------------------------------------- ***Review books are available Copies of our books are available for your members to review-- send me an email and please include the book order number on your request. 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Apple is introducing Xcode, along with Panther, and Davidson takes it for a spin and reports on his initial findings. http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2003/10/24/panther.html Until next time-- Marsee -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From e.nordstrom at comcast.net Wed Nov 5 02:57:27 2003 From: e.nordstrom at comcast.net (Eileen Nordstrom) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] un & password Message-ID: <200311525727.3811447.e.nordstrom@comcast.net> e.nordstrom@comcast.net dornstrom --- Eileen Nordstrom eileen.nordstrom@comcast.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From nkras at visi.com Thu Nov 6 17:00:10 2003 From: nkras at visi.com (Neal Krasnoff) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Public WLANs slowly taking shape, Cometa CEO says Message-ID: http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2003/1105cometa.html?net _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From kaze0010 at umn.edu Sun Nov 9 00:52:42 2003 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] corporate censorship attempt by seattlewireless.com on nocat.net/seattlewireless.net (was Re: libelous content on your website) Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20031109005242.014e80c0@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> SeattleWireless.com, Inc. (a corporate entity formed 2 years after Seattlewireless.net, the community wireless user group) has managed to censor some postings made to the nocat.net mailing list last March. They are using scare tactics to censor the opinion postings. You can follow the developments on the nocat.net and seattlewireless.net-talk mailing lists. IMHO, SeattleWireless.com's actions amount to corporate censorship of legitimate opinions. Their actions are not commendable what so ever. >X-From_: talk-bounces@seattlewireless.net Sat Nov 8 22:16:33 2003 >X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] mhub-w5.tc.umn.edu #+LO+NM >X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] gir.seattlewireless.net #+NN+NR (I,-) >X-Umn-Report-As-Spam: >X-Original-To: talk@gir.seattlewireless.net >Delivered-To: talk@gir.seattlewireless.net >From: Rob Flickenger >Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 20:15:03 -0800 >To: "Seattle Wireless, Inc." >X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.606) >Cc: SeattleWireless Talk List , > nocatnet-admin@nocat.net, > nocatnet@lists.nocat.net, > support@nodedb.com >Subject: Re: libelous content on your website >X-BeenThere: talk@seattlewireless.net >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 >Reply-To: SeattleWireless Talk List >List-Id: SeattleWireless Talk List >List-Unsubscribe: , > >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: , > >Sender: talk-bounces@seattlewireless.net >X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-6.3 required=5.0 > tests=AWL,BAYES_01,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, > REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_APPLEMAIL > version=2.55 >X-Spam-Level: >X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) > >Hello, Pano-- > >Thanks for pointing that out. While I doubt that these posts were >actually libelous, they were certainly inappropriate, and have been >taken offline. (You may have noticed that the poster was banned from >the list just after these posts hit the wire.) > >Now that we've dispensed with possible libel issues, let's talk fact. > >Just to be clear: You are Pano Kroko, the same person who started >seattlewireless.com, correct? > >I am compelled to wonder about the legitimacy of the actions of >seattlewireless.com. For example, your site is confusingly named in a >similar manner to seattlewireless.net, which has been around about two >years longer than the .com version. Archive.org certainly bears that >out: > >http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://seattlewireless.com >http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://seattlewireless.net > >And from conversations I've had with Matt Westervelt and Ken Caruso >(seattlewireless.net's founders), this situation has never been >adequately resolved. I understand that the name "Seattle Wireless" is >sufficiently generic that it can't be trademarked. I wonder, what >business reasons led you to believe that this would make a good name >for your aspiring wirleless company? Is it just a coincidence that it >has the same name as the completely unrelated seattlewireless.net site? > >I also notice that your site hosts node map graphics that appear to be >copied from various other community wireless groups, as well as >nodedb.com. For example, take a look at your Portland map, complete >with the little red "X marks the spot" logo from nodedb.com (on the >seattlewireless.com main page) and compare it to this: > >http://www.nodedb.com/unitedstates/or/portland/view.php?nodeid=142 > >Interesting how the X matches exactly, isn't it? I can only assume you >got permission from nodedb.com to use their image. And remove their >logo. I've taken the liberty of cc:'ing support@nodedb.com just to be >sure I've got the facts straight. > >And the foregoing facts notwithstanding, you are currently taking >credit card payments for what you claim to be a nationwide wireless >network that you built, correct? > >I can't help but shake the feeling that you are abusing the reputation >of legitimate community wireless networking efforts in an attempt to >build a business of questionable legitimacy. Please point out any >incorrect assumptions or observations I have made. > >--Rob Flickenger >NoCat Network > >On Nov 7, 2003, at 6:37 PM, Seattle Wireless, Inc. wrote: > >> Dear NoCat.Net Moderator or Webmaster, >> ? >> We have recently learned of the posting of libelous content?of which >> you are hosting on your servers. This content is false, and has >> already been proven, by witnesses, to be damaging to our company's >> reputation. (The content can be found via the URLs below.) Seattle >> Wireless, Inc. understands that you are not responsible for the >> posting of libelous content however, you are responsible for >> perpetuating its existence on into the future. We ask that you remove >> this offending material immediately or we will?have no?recourse but to >> file a defamation suit. You have 3 days to remove the libelous >> content.?Thank you for your understanding. >> ? >> URLs: >> http://lists.nocat.net/pipermail/nocatnet/2003-March/001706.html >> http://lists.nocat.net/pipermail/nocatnet/2003-March/001707.html >> http://lists.nocat.net/pipermail/nocatnet/2003-March/001708.html >> http://lists.nocat.net/pipermail/nocatnet/2003-March/001709.html >> http://lists.nocat.net/pipermail/nocatnet/2003-March/001710.html >> ? >> (the above is?included >> on:http://lists.nocat.net/pipermail/nocatnet/2003-March.txt) +? >> ? >> ? >> Sincerely, >> ? >> Seattle Wireless Inc. >> PO Box 75418, Seattle WA 98125 >> ATTN: legal dept. >> http://seattlewireless.com >> info@seattlewireless.com >> ? > >_______________________________________________ >Talk mailing list >Talk@seattlewireless.net >http://seattlewireless.net/mailman/listinfo/talk > > "The Net treats censorship as damage and routes around it." - John Gilmore "Government is like a fire, useful in the fireplace, but if it gets out of its place, it will consume everything you own." - George Washington _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From kaze0010 at umn.edu Sun Nov 9 13:19:47 2003 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] weatherproof enclosure for an AP Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20031109131947.014e80c0@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> Hello I'm wondering what you guys have used for weatherproof enclosures for any access points you may have mounted outside, possibly on a roof. Have you done anything special to help the AP deal with our extreme temperature range from frigid cold to intense heat? I'd like to put an antenna up with the AP very near to it to minimize signal loss in the antenna cable. Even LMR400 has an appreciable loss when run medium distances. -hk "The Net treats censorship as damage and routes around it." - John Gilmore "Government is like a fire, useful in the fireplace, but if it gets out of its place, it will consume everything you own." - George Washington _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Sun Nov 9 15:19:02 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] weatherproof enclosure for an AP In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20031109131947.014e80c0@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> References: <3.0.5.32.20031109131947.014e80c0@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20031109211902.GA97200@botwerks.org> long ago in a galaxy far far away, (or around 18-24 months ago at a WUG meeting in bloomington) andy warner did a nice presentation of his hacks to put a wap11 into a die-cast enclosure. complete with a discussion regarding PoE (power over ethernet) and some rudimentary lightning arrestor discussion. andy, not to sound like a nag but did you ever finish the picture editing and build notes process? ;-) when last we saw our hero (Sunday, Nov 09, 2003), Haudy Kazemi was madly tapping out: > Hello > > I'm wondering what you guys have used for weatherproof enclosures > for any access points you may have mounted outside, possibly on a > roof. Have you done anything special to help the AP deal with our > extreme temperature range from frigid cold to intense heat? I'd > like to put an antenna up with the AP very near to it to minimize > signal loss in the antenna cable. Even LMR400 has an appreciable > loss when run medium distances. > { snipped - misc .signatures } -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From nkras at visi.com Sun Nov 9 15:45:09 2003 From: nkras at visi.com (Neal Krasnoff) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] weatherproof enclosure for an AP In-Reply-To: <20031109211902.GA97200@botwerks.org> References: <3.0.5.32.20031109131947.014e80c0@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> <20031109211902.GA97200@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <3FAEB565.905@visi.com> steve ulrich wrote: >long ago in a galaxy far far away, (or around 18-24 months ago at a >WUG meeting in bloomington) andy warner did a nice presentation of his >hacks to put a wap11 into a die-cast enclosure. complete with a >discussion regarding PoE (power over ethernet) and some rudimentary >lightning arrestor discussion. > >andy, not to sound like a nag but did you ever finish the picture >editing and build notes process? ;-) > >when last we saw our hero (Sunday, Nov 09, 2003), > Haudy Kazemi was madly tapping out: > > Following your suggestion at the last meeting, I bought three D-Link POE units. The alpha test worked, save for the requirement of a hub at the base units. This is a requirment for the DLink DWL-810+ and DWL-900AP+, but it wouldn't be a problem with a comparable Linksys configuration: the WET11 has a straight-xover switch. I was thinking of using a tupperware container to house the bridge and AP, with grommets installed for two coax and two ethernet cables. I worry about the condensation, even with breather holes on the bottom of the enclosure. Neal _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From kaze0010 at umn.edu Sun Nov 9 15:55:46 2003 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] weatherproof enclosure for an AP In-Reply-To: <3FAEB565.905@visi.com> References: <20031109211902.GA97200@botwerks.org> <3.0.5.32.20031109131947.014e80c0@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> <20031109211902.GA97200@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20031109155546.014e80c0@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> >Following your suggestion at the last meeting, I bought three D-Link POE >units. The alpha test worked, save for the requirement of a hub at the >base units. This is a requirment for the DLink DWL-810+ and DWL-900AP+, >but it wouldn't be a problem with a comparable Linksys configuration: >the WET11 has a straight-xover switch. > >I was thinking of using a tupperware container to house the bridge and >AP, with grommets installed for two coax and two ethernet cables. I >worry about the condensation, even with breather holes on the bottom of >the enclosure. > >Neal No concerns about frozen, ice-cold hardware in the middle of January? I'm a bit worried about running the APs in such extreme temperature conditions. -hk "If you're reading this, read it again." _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Sun Nov 9 16:15:18 2003 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] weatherproof enclosure for an AP In-Reply-To: <3FAEB565.905@visi.com> Message-ID: Don't use Tupperware. The stuff doesn't last outside. Use a standard NEMA box. They're gasketed and usually have provision for a padlock. I think I saw suitable new ones at AEI. Sometimes they might be found used at AxMan, etc. Most any electrical supply should have them. The warmth of the electronics operating will make any condensation collect elsewhere as long as you don't build-in an accidental drip point right over the electronics.. or provide a little umbrella in case you do :-) Best to have holes in the bottom for moisture to escape, but small enough to prevent bees entering. Installing the box with a small tilt (2-3 degrees?) allows a drain holes to be in the low corners and do their job. Have at least two since one may get clogged by something. Best to keep 110v inside the house and use some approved type of low voltage feed. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org > [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Neal Krasnoff > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 3:45 PM > To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List > Subject: Re: [TCWUG] weatherproof enclosure for an AP > > I was thinking of using a tupperware container to house the bridge and > AP, with grommets installed for two coax and two ethernet cables. I > worry about the condensation, even with breather holes on the bottom of > the enclosure. > > Neal > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Sun Nov 9 21:43:00 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] weatherproof enclosure for an AP In-Reply-To: References: <3FAEB565.905@visi.com> Message-ID: <20031110034300.GX753@techmonkeys.org> On Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 04:15:18PM -0600, Chuck Cole wrote: > Don't use Tupperware. The stuff doesn't last outside. Agreed, menards actually has a tidy little enclosure that claims to be UV resistant, and water tight. (NEMA4 I believe) -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From andyw at pobox.com Sun Nov 9 23:05:48 2003 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] weatherproof enclosure for an AP In-Reply-To: <20031109211902.GA97200@botwerks.org>; from sulrich@botwerks.org on Sun, Nov 09, 2003 at 03:19:02PM -0600 References: <3.0.5.32.20031109131947.014e80c0@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> <20031109211902.GA97200@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <20031109230548.A26247@florence.linkmargin.com> steve ulrich wrote: > > long ago in a galaxy far far away, (or around 18-24 months ago at a > WUG meeting in bloomington) andy warner did a nice presentation of his > hacks to put a wap11 into a die-cast enclosure. complete with a > discussion regarding PoE (power over ethernet) and some rudimentary > lightning arrestor discussion. > > andy, not to sound like a nag but did you ever finish the picture > editing and build notes process? ;-) You know, I never quite did, and I'm under a crushing deadline until about Wednesday, so it ain't going to happen before then either - but I can summarise: I took a standard low-end commercial AP, and recased it in a weatherproof diecast box (from DigiKey), it is mounted on the antenna pole, about 5' below the antenna, and powered over the ethernet cable. Since it's had so much airtime, I can report that it has performed flawlessly through all the seasons. I took photos of each step. I will sit down with gimp/xv/photoshop as soon as I can and do the step-by-step, I promise. I'm glad to see others are addressing the feedline-loss issue, I settled for about 8' of 1/2" hardline, which should be costing be somewhere < 1dB including connectors if memory serves me correctly. While we're talking about reducing the feedline loss, I've had the opportunity to evaluate the fully integrated solutions from Tranzeo (e.g. http://www.tranzeo.com/products.php?cmd=viewpage&id=167), and have been quite impressed. If I can ever make it to a Tuesday meeting (Tuesdays nights are difficult for me to schedule), I'll bring one along for show and tell. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From benmgroup at earthlink.net Mon Nov 10 07:46:47 2003 From: benmgroup at earthlink.net (Ben Nelson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] TCWUG: next meeting! Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From nick at nuicide.com Wed Nov 12 08:56:36 2003 From: nick at nuicide.com (Nick Johannes) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Reccomendations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6A064BED-1520-11D8-83F3-000A959835EE@nuicide.com> Hi Everyone. I've never sent a message here before, so be gentle! I've got a project coming up involving 25 networked computers. Due to wiring concerns, we've determined that 802.11g is probably the best option. That being said, I'm going to be purchasing around 12 desktop cards, and around 12 PCMCIA cards, along with a wireless bridge or router. Price is semi-sensitive, but reliability is the major concern. If anyone has any suggestions (or brands to stay away from!) I'd appreciate it. Also, if there was a local place (or reccomended online dealer) then I'd be more than thrilled. I'll try to make the meeting tonight. Thanks in Advance! -Nick _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From andyw at pobox.com Wed Nov 12 09:19:53 2003 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:04 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Reccomendations? In-Reply-To: <6A064BED-1520-11D8-83F3-000A959835EE@nuicide.com>; from nick@nuicide.com on Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 08:56:36AM -0600 References: <6A064BED-1520-11D8-83F3-000A959835EE@nuicide.com> Message-ID: <20031112091953.A2446@florence.linkmargin.com> Nick Johannes wrote: > I've got a project coming up involving 25 networked computers. Due to > wiring concerns, we've determined that 802.11g is probably the best > option. > > That being said, I'm going to be purchasing around 12 desktop cards, > and around 12 PCMCIA cards, along with a wireless bridge or router. > > Price is semi-sensitive, but reliability is the major concern. > > If anyone has any suggestions (or brands to stay away from!) I'd > appreciate it. Also, if there was a local place (or reccomended online > dealer) then I'd be more than thrilled. I'd like to ask a few questions before suggesting anything too detailed: o what kind of application is this (especially wrt sensitivity of the data) ? o is there are pre-existing authentication structure in place, if not - what kind of authentication would work in this environment ? o can you provide more detail on the expected bandwidth requirements and some info about the site (size, construction, etc) ? I'd always recommend steering clear of Linksys/D-Link/ wireless products for commercial installations, but you have not provided enough detail to choose between more suitable products(*). (*) - unless of course you talk to a Cisco/Proxim/Symbol/ reseller, in which case the response is almost always "we've got just what you're looking for" (which may or may not actually be true.) -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From jkotek at madgenius.com Wed Nov 12 12:45:37 2003 From: jkotek at madgenius.com (Jon Kotek) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:05 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Reccomendations? In-Reply-To: <6A064BED-1520-11D8-83F3-000A959835EE@nuicide.com> References: <6A064BED-1520-11D8-83F3-000A959835EE@nuicide.com> Message-ID: <20031112184537.M70183@madgenius.com> Lately I have been having real problems with LinkSys wireless-G hardware, lots of failures and range was not very good. I ended up pulling it all out and going with D-Link+ (22Meg) equipment. Security wise Cisco would most likely be best but that would not be good price-wise. Jon Kotek Madgenius.com On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:56:36 -0600, Nick Johannes wrote > Hi Everyone. I've never sent a message here before, so be gentle! > > I've got a project coming up involving 25 networked computers. Due > to wiring concerns, we've determined that 802.11g is probably the > best option. > > That being said, I'm going to be purchasing around 12 desktop cards, > and around 12 PCMCIA cards, along with a wireless bridge or router. > > Price is semi-sensitive, but reliability is the major concern. > > If anyone has any suggestions (or brands to stay away from!) I'd > appreciate it. Also, if there was a local place (or reccomended > online dealer) then I'd be more than thrilled. > > I'll try to make the meeting tonight. > > Thanks in Advance! > > -Nick > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From jeff at digitalguy.net Wed Nov 12 16:24:41 2003 From: jeff at digitalguy.net (Jeff Lehman) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:05 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Notes for October TCWUG Meeting Message-ID: <1068675881.7457.98.camel@localhost.localdomain> Here are the meeting notes from the October TCWUG meeting. Apologies for being extremely late. The September meeting notes will follow soon. October 14th 2003 Introductions The Loring Park project update. Ben Nelson and Neal Krasnoff worked very hard getting the equipment inventoried and assembling mounts for the antennas. Ben showed off pictures of the sturdy antenna mount and we now have a list of available equipment for the project. Much of it has been bought by Neal Krasnoff, so many thanks to him. For the backbone between the Internet connection and the MCTC site we are planning on using a dish antenna and then at the MCTC site using a couple 8.5dBi panels to cover the park. Neal has one panel for now and additional panel antennas can be easily purchased and added on as needed for better park coverage. Ben Nelson is going to follow up with the MCTC maintainance people to get us access to the roof and power and such for the equipment. We also need to look at the grounding issues for the antennas and equipment. Ben Kochie talked about his project with the University of Minnesota. He is working on getting wireless access at a building in the St Paul campus. This could eventually be used for a backbone. Andrew Zimmer invested much time and effort into a spiffy newsletter. The newsletter talks about basic wireless topics such as WEP and some of the latest wireless events. Andrew has also developed some pamplets that could be distributed at coffee shops or doorsteps of people who have unsecured wireless access points. These pamplets also talk about how to set up an access point and why it is important to secure them. If anyone would like to contribute any articles such as a howto page or if anyone has any distribution ideas we would like to hear them. We talked about the tcwug website and the need for it to be updated. The individuals who are in charge of the site have not been attending for some time and we are looking for someone to add a flexible content management system to the site to make it more dynamic. The TCWUG has been in the news lately. KSTP did a short story that supposedly aired about the loring park project. It was in the form of a survey of park-goers asking if they would like or use wireless. There was also an article in Skypoint News about wireless access in the Minneapolis Park Systems. An additional way to get the word out about the TCWUG is through business cards. We have been talking about getting personalized and non-personalized cards to hand out to the public to spread the word. Vistaprint was mentioned as an online producer of business cards and they have designs and a limited number of free business cards online. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Wed Nov 12 19:01:43 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:05 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Notes for October TCWUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <1068675881.7457.98.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1068675881.7457.98.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20031113010143.GA63577@botwerks.org> jeff- many thanks for the notes from the meeting. it's very helpful for those of us that weren't able to attend. it sounds like considerable progress is being made. some misc. comment inline. when last we saw our hero (Wednesday, Nov 12, 2003), Jeff Lehman was madly tapping out: > Here are the meeting notes from the October TCWUG meeting. Apologies > for being extremely late. The September meeting notes will follow > soon. > > > October 14th 2003 > > > Introductions > > > The Loring Park project update. > > Ben Nelson and Neal Krasnoff worked very hard getting the equipment > inventoried and assembling mounts for the antennas. Ben showed off > pictures of the sturdy antenna mount and we now have a list of > available equipment for the project. Much of it has been bought by > Neal Krasnoff, so many thanks to him. For the backbone between the > Internet connection and the MCTC site we are planning on using a > dish antenna and then at the MCTC site using a couple 8.5dBi panels > to cover the park. Neal has one panel for now and additional panel > antennas can be easily purchased and added on as needed for better > park coverage. Ben Nelson is going to follow up with the MCTC > maintainance people to get us access to the roof and power and such > for the equipment. We also need to look at the grounding issues for > the antennas and equipment. > if there's a need for additional sector (panel) antenna's are there any spec's for those of us that might be keeping our eye's peeled for good deals on h/w? > Ben Kochie talked about his project with the University of > Minnesota. He is working on getting wireless access at a building in > the St Paul campus. This could eventually be used for a backbone. > > Andrew Zimmer invested much time and effort into a spiffy > newsletter. The newsletter talks about basic wireless topics such > as WEP and some of the latest wireless events. Andrew has also > developed some pamplets that could be distributed at coffee shops or > doorsteps of people who have unsecured wireless access points. These > pamplets also talk about how to set up an access point and why it is > important to secure them. i saw the previous iterations of these at the last meeting and they were pretty spiffy. is there a pdf available online for us to take a peek at? might not hurt to see if there are any print shops that would be willing to donate printing resources or tag the printing along with some other jobs that they're running. re: distribution, that's a bit of a thornier problem. but i would think that some of the businesses proximal to the park which have city pages stands and such might be willing to donate a little real estate to the cause. especially if it helps them sell more latte's etc. > If anyone would like to contribute any articles such as a howto page > or if anyone has any distribution ideas we would like to hear them. > > We talked about the tcwug website and the need for it to be updated. > The individuals who are in charge of the site have not been > attending for some time and we are looking for someone to add a > flexible content management system to the site to make it more > dynamic. > > > The TCWUG has been in the news lately. KSTP did a short story that > supposedly aired about the loring park project. It was in the form > of a survey of park-goers asking if they would like or use wireless. > > > There was also an article in Skypoint News about wireless access in > the Minneapolis Park Systems. > > > An additional way to get the word out about the TCWUG is through > business cards. We have been talking about getting personalized and > non-personalized cards to hand out to the public to spread the word. > Vistaprint was mentioned as an online producer of business cards and > they have designs and a limited number of free business cards > online. > { snipped - misc .signatures } -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From nkras at visi.com Wed Nov 12 20:55:33 2003 From: nkras at visi.com (Neal Krasnoff) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:05 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Notes for October TCWUG Meeting In-Reply-To: <20031113010143.GA63577@botwerks.org> References: <1068675881.7457.98.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20031113010143.GA63577@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <3FB2F2A5.8090700@visi.com> steve ulrich wrote: > >if there's a need for additional sector (panel) antenna's are there >any spec's for those of us that might be keeping our eye's peeled for >good deals on h/w? > > I've opted for 9 dbi omnis with a 7 degree downtilt and a 12 dbi parabolic for the uplink to paw (Node 415). The remote AP will be a D-Link DWL-900AP+ and the bridge to the internet gateway (paw), a DWL-810+. Both units will be each fed by DWL-P100 power over ethernet base and terminal units, and a DSS-5+ switch will link the two networks. Because I only have a third POE, I'm going to configure the second 900AP+ as a repeater, also with a 9 dbi omni with a 7 degree downtilt. Neal _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From benmgroup at earthlink.net Fri Nov 14 00:31:23 2003 From: benmgroup at earthlink.net (Ben Nelson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:05 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] November meeting notes Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From kaze0010 at umn.edu Fri Nov 14 03:16:13 2003 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:05 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] November meeting notes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20031114031613.014e80c0@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> Hello, My comments are inline below... At 12:31 AM 11/14/2003 -0600, you wrote: >>>> The November meeting was smaller than usual, but we had some new faces and interesting talk. To recap: Loring Park At this point, we have assembled all the equipment for two repeater antennas, and are only waiting on the go-ahead to install them. Weve been in contact with MCTC, and the Facilities people over there are working on getting us back on the roof. Keep your fingers crossed, but we should have a signal in the park just in time to get a serious case of frostbite while testing! Seriously, we hope to finish testing over the winter, and have enough of the bugs worked out to be able to go public in the spring. Next steps for the park: Andrew Z. is working on the capture page that people will see when they access the network. (forgive me if Im mangling technical phrases, Im a non-engineer), Neal K. is (among other things) pulling together a materials list so we have a record of what goes into these sites, and Hadi is looking into a method to reset the repeater sites remotely if they lock-up. <<<< Just as an FYI I have found some commercial remote-reset boxes. They tend to go by the name of dead-man switches or watchdog timers. One commercial unit I found had an ethernet interface with an embedded web server to let you power cycle an AC power outlet. That unit cost a little over $200. The nice thing about it is it only needed an ethernet cable to connect to the controlling network. I'm pretty sure I can come up with something else for much cheaper, although it'll probably need a 9-pin serial or parallel port to get the watchdog signal from, and it won't have a built in web server. How much power does this reset switch need to handle? It'd be pretty easy to handle a 600 watt load with the TRIAC based design I'm thinking of. It looks to me as if right now we only will have 2 radios and a hub drawing power up there, for a total of say 60 watts (max)...so even if we added a Soekris/standard PC/old laptop/etc. I don't see it overloading anything. (Are we putting a PC up there or not? I think one will be needed to create watchdog signals and to interface my design with, and it may also be needed to handle the captive portal system (Nocat/Wirewall/etc.). The commercial unit I mentioned above wouldn't need a PC, but $$$.) How quickly should the reset command be acted upon? Is a 10 second delay from issuing a reset command reasonable? 15 seconds? 1 minute? Greater delay times give us more time to cancel a command, and give a larger cushion before reset if the periodic watchdog signal is missed due to an intermittant connection fault. >>>> Press Attention We seem to be getting more press attention lately  see the recent Skyway News article posted to the list, and both KMSP and KSTC have expressed interest in doing a wireless story. Most of the interest has been about wireless in general, not the group in particular, but we seem to be seen as a good source of information; as  the Twin Cities Wireless Users Group was founded to promote wireless use for the greater Metro Area I think we can all give ourselves a big pat on the back for making some progress on that part of the mission! Ive asked Rick Tanner (our resident webmaster) about setting up a general email address (info@tcwug.org) that we can refer any press or general public questions to. Watch this space for more info about that. <<<< Indeed...lets do our best to ensure wireless isn't given a bad rap or made into a scary thing. The idea that wardriving does not equate to hacking or cracking is important. Wardriving is much closer to simply using your car radio to see who the local broadcasting stations are. An alternative analogy is walking through a neighborhood and listening for people who are shouting in their apartments and can be heard from the sidewalks. People who don't want to be heard can talk more quietly (use lower transmitter power settings) or use a language that makes it hard to understand (WEP). As WEP is 'weak' and kinda easy to crack, it's kinda like speaking in pig-latin or carny or maybe Martian. >>>> City Council actions Hopefully, youve heard that the Minneapolis City Council is looking into putting a fee-based wireless network in Loring Park. [http://www.skywaynews.net/archives/index.inn?loc=detail&doc=/2003/October/2 7-966-news10.txt] Im sending a letter to Councilmember Schiff introducing him to our group, explaining our goals and mission, perhaps inviting him to a meeting? Ill cc the list when I send the letter. Thats about all we covered at the meeting. Attendees, if I missed anything, please post and correct. Next meeting: December 9th, same time same place. Note: apparently, the mapquest directions are incorrect. The Dunn Bros location is at the north end of 3rd Ave, near the river. Ill try to find better directions to send out with the reminder. <<<< We could put a map image and driving directions from major local roads (I-94, etc.) on the website showing the location. Then there'd be no need to for folks to use the faulty MapQuest info. >>>> Please reply with questions or comments, Ben -- Ben Nelson 612.685.9116 cell benmgroup@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list <<<< "If you're reading this, read it again." _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From kaze0010 at umn.edu Sat Nov 15 04:40:28 2003 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:05 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] November meeting notes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20031115044028.0200f6c8@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> Hello, I saw this message posted to the Seattlewireless-talk mailing list. I'm planning on ordering 5 N female connectors from him. Is anyone in our WUG interested in combining an order with me to save on shipping costs (I'm near the U of MN Saint Paul campus)? These connectors usually run for more than $4 online, not including shipping. They look to be useful for building antennas. -Haudy ---- From: "Jason Feeser" To: "SeattleWireless Talk List" Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:57:12 -0800 Subject: Re: Advice on DIY omni antenna(s) I have a bunch of N females--chassis mount, the variety that take four screws and have a square flange at the base (a screw hole at each corner). The center conductor on the rear is a ~3/16" post assumedly for PC mount but can be soldered onto otherwise. I got these on ebay and don't need all of the 70 that I purchased. Sell: $2.00 ea in qty 5. Local Seattle... or can ship. Jason "If you're reading this, read it again." _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Sat Nov 15 22:14:22 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:05 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] administravia: oreilly user group email Message-ID: <20031116041422.GA21316@botwerks.org> all- attached is the latest iteration of the o'reilly and assoc. users group newsletter. perusse and feel free to contact me should you be interested in something pursuant to this newsletter. to that end, with a healthy dose of apologies, i seem to recall someone querying me about a book for a review and i can't seem to find my response to the matter in my archives, or any follow up. if i screwed up with this, please drop me a line so i can make amends in the matter. thanks. :) -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC -------------- next part -------------- ================================================================ O'Reilly UG Program News--Just for User Group Leaders November 14, 2003 ================================================================ -Spread the word about the O'Reilly User Group program -Copies of Mac Developer Journal issue number one for your members -Do You Have a Tip, Suggestion, or Question to Share? -Put Up an Emerging Technology Conference Banner, Get a Free Book ---------------------------------------------------------------- Book Info ---------------------------------------------------------------- ***Review books are available Copies of our books are available for your members to review-- send me an email and please include the book order number on your request. 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Derrick Story shows you the ins and outs of this handy new Mac OS X 10.3 trick. http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2003/11/10/rendezvous_images.html Until next time-- Marsee -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Mon Nov 17 11:27:12 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:05 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: [wireless] Next Meeting. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031117172712.GA47513@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Sunday, Nov 16, 2003), andrewzimmer was madly tapping out: > I have a couple ideas for the next meeting. > > CompUSA has the WRT54G on sale this week for $90.00 plus a $10.00 > mail-in rebate. I picked one up for the group to goof with. I have > heard murmurings that the firmware runs linux thus allowing us to > possibly add NoCat to the machine. Feedback would be appreciated. a couple of weeks ago i was playing with the nocat stuff for the 54g. it's pretty fun. i've been more interested with making the box route as of late as a low budget router for backbone type applications but the nocat config is pretty slick, although, it requires some infrastructure to make it happy. i'd be interested to compare notes on this if i can ever make it to a meeting agin. ;-) > I am working on the NoCat portal for Loring Park. I was thinking I > could replicate the steps I am taking in the meeting. I will bring > in my laptop and my LCD monitor. My monitor is only a 14" and is > pretty dark. That's what you get for a $200 demo monitor. For the > numbers that have been currently attending it should be sufficient > but if more attend it would help if someone were to volunteer an > alternative. -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From gluce at project504.org Mon Nov 17 12:01:11 2003 From: gluce at project504.org (Gregory D. Luce) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:05 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] City Wireless Plans In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000201c3ad34$ccbc1a10$80a6fea9@Gregory> I'm sure many are aware of this, but wanted to post it here as well: CITYWIDE WIRELESS PLAN GAINING MOMENTUM The Park Board has entered discussions with several telecommunications firms to offer wireless Internet access citywide. As Scott Russell reports in the Southwest Journal (http://www.swjournal.com), Park Board Commissioner John Erwin has had "very promising" talks with three companies interested in setting up a wireless network throughout the city using routers on Park Board community centers and on city-owned property downtown. Erwin said the private firms would provide the infrastructure and management expertise in exchange for a percentage of the profits. Users would be required to pay a monthly fee for the wireless access. "We are going into this with the hope that it would be significantly less than any DSL service that is out there," Erwin said. "It would be another option on the phone bill." The City Council last month agreed to work with the Park Board on the project, which Erwin first proposed in August. He expects a Request for Proposals to be issued by the first of the year. The wireless network could be operational by late spring. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From nkras at visi.com Mon Nov 17 17:09:17 2003 From: nkras at visi.com (Neal Krasnoff) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:05 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] City Wireless Plans In-Reply-To: <000201c3ad34$ccbc1a10$80a6fea9@Gregory> References: <000201c3ad34$ccbc1a10$80a6fea9@Gregory> Message-ID: <119E1D2B-1953-11D8-B0BD-000A958B32EC@visi.com> On Nov 17, 2003, at 12:01 PM, Gregory D. Luce wrote: > I'm sure many are aware of this, but wanted to post it here as well: > > CITYWIDE WIRELESS PLAN GAINING MOMENTUM > > > Erwin said the private firms would provide the infrastructure and > management expertise in exchange for a percentage of the profits. Users > would be required to pay a monthly fee for the wireless access. Right. ;-) _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From kaze0010 at umn.edu Mon Nov 17 17:38:07 2003 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:06 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] City Wireless Plans In-Reply-To: <000201c3ad34$ccbc1a10$80a6fea9@Gregory> References: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20031117173807.0200f6c8@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> At 12:01 PM 11/17/2003 -0600, you wrote: >I'm sure many are aware of this, but wanted to post it here as well: > >CITYWIDE WIRELESS PLAN GAINING MOMENTUM >The Park Board has entered discussions with several telecommunications >firms to offer wireless Internet access citywide. > >As Scott Russell reports in the Southwest Journal >(http://www.swjournal.com), Park Board Commissioner John Erwin has had >"very promising" talks with three companies interested in setting up a >wireless network throughout the city using routers on Park Board >community centers and on city-owned property downtown. > >Erwin said the private firms would provide the infrastructure and >management expertise in exchange for a percentage of the profits. Users >would be required to pay a monthly fee for the wireless access. "We are >going into this with the hope that it would be significantly less than >any DSL service that is out there," Erwin said. "It would be another >option on the phone bill." > >The City Council last month agreed to work with the Park Board on the >project, which Erwin first proposed in August. He expects a Request for >Proposals to be issued by the first of the year. The wireless network >could be operational by late spring. So this amounts to little more than Minneapolis becoming another WISP that outsources all of its operations? Maybe they're viewing it as an opportunity to add some dollars to their annual income instead of building a community based infrastructure. There-in lies the difference between commercial WISPs and WUGs, as I see it. "If you're reading this, read it again." _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From Andrew at AZimmer.com Mon Nov 17 20:49:24 2003 From: Andrew at AZimmer.com (Andrew Zimmer) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:06 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] City Wireless Plans In-Reply-To: <000201c3ad34$ccbc1a10$80a6fea9@Gregory> Message-ID: <20031118025951.92694228B6@azimmer.com> We will have to see if they come up with some public propogation tests and infrastructure layouts. Has anyone heard from the Parks about Loring park or are they not considering our effort there? Also, last I heard was that people were not paying for wireless Internet access. Has that changed? Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org] On Behalf Of Gregory D. Luce Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 12:01 PM To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org I'm sure many are aware of this, but wanted to post it here as well: CITYWIDE WIRELESS PLAN GAINING MOMENTUM The Park Board has entered discussions with several telecommunications firms to offer wireless Internet access citywide. As Scott Russell reports in the Southwest Journal (http://www.swjournal.com), Park Board Commissioner John Erwin has had "very promising" talks with three companies interested in setting up a wireless network throughout the city using routers on Park Board community centers and on city-owned property downtown. Erwin said the private firms would provide the infrastructure and management expertise in exchange for a percentage of the profits. Users would be required to pay a monthly fee for the wireless access. "We are going into this with the hope that it would be significantly less than any DSL service that is out there," Erwin said. "It would be another option on the phone bill." The City Council last month agreed to work with the Park Board on the project, which Erwin first proposed in August. He expects a Request for Proposals to be issued by the first of the year. The wireless network could be operational by late spring. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Nov 17 21:08:00 2003 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:06 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: City Wireless Plans In-Reply-To: <20031118025951.92694228B6@azimmer.com> References: <000201c3ad34$ccbc1a10$80a6fea9@Gregory> <20031118025951.92694228B6@azimmer.com> Message-ID: <20031118030757.GI21038@ringworld.org> > Also, last I heard was that people were not paying for wireless Internet > access. Has that changed? Dono, I pay for GPRS. I'm pretty sure some others here pay to use Sprint Vision. -- Scott Dier KC0OBS http://www.ringworld.org/ Free USA from energy dependence, http://www.apolloalliance.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From andrew at azimmer.com Mon Nov 17 22:08:05 2003 From: andrew at azimmer.com (Andrew Zimmer) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:06 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: City Wireless Plans In-Reply-To: <20031118030757.GI21038@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <000001c3ad89$947116b0$6b01a8c0@az.local> Paying for wireless that would be city/nation wide is different than paying for Internet access around a park. It would probably make sense to use the Parks wireless access since I am a Minneapolis resident and they will probably make me pay one way or another. Andrew. > -----Original Message----- > From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org] > On Behalf Of Scott Dier > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:08 PM > To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List > Subject: [TCWUG] Re: City Wireless Plans > > > Also, last I heard was that people were not paying for wireless Internet > > access. Has that changed? > > Dono, I pay for GPRS. I'm pretty sure some others here pay to use > Sprint Vision. > > -- > Scott Dier KC0OBS http://www.ringworld.org/ > Free USA from energy dependence, http://www.apolloalliance.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From gluce at project504.org Tue Nov 18 12:17:15 2003 From: gluce at project504.org (Gregory Luce) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:06 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] More Info: City's Wireless Initiative Message-ID: <200311181817.AUX44853@ms4.verisignmail.com> This would essentially be a wireless infrastructure system for the city's networking purposes, with the added 'bonus' of wireless internet access to those who fall within the zone of wireless coverage. The assumption now--based on what the vendors are saying to the city, I take it--is that there will be a charge for the service to regular joes. The motivation is appparently--and many cities are trying for this--to be the 'first' wireless city in the nation. It raises issues as to how 'free' internet access should be if supplied by the government or a government approved vendor. The best way to think about it is to compare how cable television monopolies are created through cable franchise fees. In return for the cable company providing the infrastructure in the city, the company receives regulated revenues that are generated from end users. Same goes for this apparent wireless initiative. But, there are also public access and community input issues that go with cable TV and so should there be with wireless internet. Once a deal is cut with the vendor, there's little room to negotiate any free or reduced fee services for the public (or, for that matter, funds for WUGs in the city). Thus, if folks want wireless ISP access available to them for free or for substantially reduced cost, this is the time to pressure the city to take that into account. Gregory Luce _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From kaze0010 at umn.edu Tue Nov 18 13:25:56 2003 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:06 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] More Info: City's Wireless Initiative In-Reply-To: <200311181817.AUX44853@ms4.verisignmail.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20031118132556.0200f6c8@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> I'm a Saint Paul resident...would there be any point to me sending my thoughts on the issue to the Minneapolis city leaders? I think they'd listen better to Minneapolis residents. At 12:17 PM 11/18/2003 -0600, you wrote: >This would essentially be a wireless infrastructure system >for the city's networking purposes, with the added 'bonus' >of wireless internet access to those who fall within the >zone of wireless coverage. The assumption now--based on >what the vendors are saying to the city, I take it--is that >there will be a charge for the service to regular joes. The >motivation is appparently--and many cities are trying for >this--to be the 'first' wireless city in the nation. > >It raises issues as to how 'free' internet access should be >if supplied by the government or a government approved >vendor. The best way to think about it is to compare how >cable television monopolies are created through cable >franchise fees. In return for the cable company providing >the infrastructure in the city, the company receives >regulated revenues that are generated from end users. Same >goes for this apparent wireless initiative. But, there are >also public access and community input issues that go with >cable TV and so should there be with wireless internet. > >Once a deal is cut with the vendor, there's little room to >negotiate any free or reduced fee services for the public >(or, for that matter, funds for WUGs in the city). Thus, if >folks want wireless ISP access available to them for free or >for substantially reduced cost, this is the time to pressure >the city to take that into account. > >Gregory Luce > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.tcwug.org >tcwug-list@tcwug.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > "If you're reading this, read it again." _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com Tue Nov 18 13:31:08 2003 From: johnnyfulcrum at mn.rr.com (Johnny Fulcrum) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:06 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] attenuate range of AP In-Reply-To: <000001c3ad89$947116b0$6b01a8c0@az.local> References: <000001c3ad89$947116b0$6b01a8c0@az.local> Message-ID: Hi all- "Long time listner - first time caller" :) This may sound crazy, but I have need to limit the range of an access point. I'm setting up a test environment for some RF guns (like warehouses use or that you may see employes at target use) - and the bummer is that in my situation the "guns" are basic dumb terminals and use a telnet client to connect to servers on a wired LAN. The "guns" run DR DOS and can do absolutly not encryptions/security/secret stuff... it's a pure telnet connection from the gun to wired LAN server via a access point. Besides moving my whole development/test environemt to a DMZ zone out side of my firewall, I am hoping to use MAC/IP filtering/ACL at the AP and the firewall and severly limit the range of the AP (and limit the amount of time that it is running)... can this be done? The access point is a Symbol Specturm24 3021 P.S. I know this is horrible security... :( _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From kaze0010 at umn.edu Tue Nov 18 14:14:24 2003 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:06 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] attenuate range of AP In-Reply-To: References: <000001c3ad89$947116b0$6b01a8c0@az.local> <000001c3ad89$947116b0$6b01a8c0@az.local> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20031118141424.0200f6c8@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> Use lousy antennas, long antenna cables, or lower the output power of the radios inside the APs. Best would be to lower the radio transmit power, but that may not be an option for your radio. Next best is to lower the signal with a poor antenna or long antenna cables. For security, don't let any of the wireless clients get internet access. This will make the APs much less interesting to folks you don't want using them. At 01:31 PM 11/18/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Hi all- > >"Long time listner - first time caller" :) > >This may sound crazy, but I have need to limit the range of an access >point. >I'm setting up a test environment for some RF guns (like warehouses use or >that you may see employes at target use) - and the bummer is that in my >situation the "guns" are basic dumb terminals and use a telnet client to >connect to servers on a wired LAN. The "guns" run DR DOS and can do >absolutly not encryptions/security/secret stuff... it's a pure telnet >connection from the gun to wired LAN server via a access point. > >Besides moving my whole development/test environemt to a DMZ zone out side >of my firewall, I am hoping to use MAC/IP filtering/ACL at the AP and the >firewall and severly limit the range of the AP (and limit the amount of >time that it is running)... can this be done? > >The access point is a Symbol Specturm24 3021 > > >P.S. I know this is horrible security... :( > > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.tcwug.org >tcwug-list@tcwug.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > "If you're reading this, read it again." _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Tue Nov 18 14:56:43 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:06 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] attenuate range of AP In-Reply-To: References: <000001c3ad89$947116b0$6b01a8c0@az.local> Message-ID: <20031118205643.GU21392@techmonkeys.org> On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 01:31:08PM -0600, Johnny Fulcrum wrote: > Hi all- > > This may sound crazy, but I have need to limit the range of an access > point. > I'm setting up a test environment for some RF guns (like warehouses use or > that you may see employes at target use) - and the bummer is that in my > situation the "guns" are basic dumb terminals and use a telnet client to > connect to servers on a wired LAN. The "guns" run DR DOS and can do > absolutly not encryptions/security/secret stuff... it's a pure telnet > connection from the gun to wired LAN server via a access point. > I'm familiar with these, you can get a command prompt on the unit by hitting function enter I think, pretty cute. > Besides moving my whole development/test environemt to a DMZ zone out side > of my firewall, I am hoping to use MAC/IP filtering/ACL at the AP and the > firewall and severly limit the range of the AP (and limit the amount of > time that it is running)... can this be done? > > The access point is a Symbol Specturm24 3021 You're relatively safe from people snooping on your network or connecting, the Spectrum24 3021 is a 2mbit FHSS device, for which there was never really much consumer equipment. You can't sniff it, or connect to it from any of the 802.11b/g/a equipment on the market, nor can you even detect it with those cards. They also don't have an equivalent of the 'ANY' ESSID, which means they would have to know the SSID of your access point to connect. The only configuration I know of that will allow you to *see* FHSS access points existance without already knowing the SSID is an BreezeCom 802.11 FHSS card running on linux, with a 2.2.x kernel (and they won't associate) That said, it's still security through obscurity, but beyond mac address filtering there's really not much you can do with that particular setup. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From mellsworth at stratvantage.com Tue Nov 18 22:45:28 2003 From: mellsworth at stratvantage.com (Mike Ellsworth) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:06 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Need a wiring person In-Reply-To: <20031101172926.GA66433@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <01d501c3ae57$f9a47bc0$60a8a8c0@stratlap2> Hi, I need a low power licensed wiring person for a wireless project we're bidding. My projected resource just bombed out on me. We'll be doing some very long runs to the APs. If interested, or if you know anyone, please contact me. It would be great if the person could join us on a walk through Thursday morning at 9 am as well. Thanks for any help. Mike Ellsworth StratVantage Consulting, LLC Helping Successful Companies Make Winning Technology Decisions 8273 Westwood Hills Curve St. Louis Park, MN 55426 952-525-1584 mellsworth@stratvantage.com www.StratVantage.com Get a free one-hour wireless network evaluation. Forward this message to freebie@theWiMAXGuys.com www.TheWiMAXGuys.com ? ? They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ? Ben Franklin, ~1784 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From bich at mac.com Wed Nov 19 12:48:08 2003 From: bich at mac.com (Dorklandia) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:06 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Need a wiring person In-Reply-To: <01d501c3ae57$f9a47bc0$60a8a8c0@stratlap2> Message-ID: How much per hour? On Tuesday, November 18, 2003, at 10:45 PM, Mike Ellsworth wrote: > Hi, > > I need a low power licensed wiring person for a wireless project we're > bidding. My projected resource just bombed out on me. We'll be doing > some > very long runs to the APs. > > If interested, or if you know anyone, please contact me. It would be > great > if the person could join us on a walk through Thursday morning at 9 am > as > well. > > Thanks for any help. > > Mike Ellsworth > StratVantage Consulting, LLC > Helping Successful Companies Make Winning Technology Decisions > 8273 Westwood Hills Curve > St. Louis Park, MN 55426 > 952-525-1584 > mellsworth@stratvantage.com > www.StratVantage.com > Get a free one-hour wireless network evaluation. Forward this message > to > freebie@theWiMAXGuys.com > www.TheWiMAXGuys.com > ? > ? > They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety > deserve neither liberty nor safety. > ? > Ben Franklin, ~1784 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From earl at jarosh.org Wed Nov 19 14:24:48 2003 From: earl at jarosh.org (S. Earl Jarosh) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:06 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Need a wiring person References: Message-ID: <000001c3af1f$637c66d0$6501a8c0@D32B5L01> Just reply to Mike not the entire list. That's a negotiated deal between you and him. The rest of us don't need to know. Geezzzzzzzzzzz!! Earl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorklandia" To: ; "Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List" Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Need a wiring person How much per hour? On Tuesday, November 18, 2003, at 10:45 PM, Mike Ellsworth wrote: > Hi, > > I need a low power licensed wiring person for a wireless project we're > bidding. My projected resource just bombed out on me. We'll be doing > some > very long runs to the APs. > > If interested, or if you know anyone, please contact me. It would be > great > if the person could join us on a walk through Thursday morning at 9 am > as > well. > > Thanks for any help. > > Mike Ellsworth > StratVantage Consulting, LLC > Helping Successful Companies Make Winning Technology Decisions > 8273 Westwood Hills Curve > St. Louis Park, MN 55426 > 952-525-1584 > mellsworth@stratvantage.com > www.StratVantage.com > Get a free one-hour wireless network evaluation. Forward this message > to > freebie@theWiMAXGuys.com > www.TheWiMAXGuys.com > > > They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety > deserve neither liberty nor safety. > > Ben Franklin, ~1784 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From mellsworth at stratvantage.com Fri Nov 21 14:56:15 2003 From: mellsworth at stratvantage.com (Mike Ellsworth) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:07 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] What do you all think of leaky coax antennas for Wi-Fi? Message-ID: <00bc01c3b072$189e1740$6601a8c0@stratlap2> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Nov 21 17:41:11 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:07 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] What do you all think of leaky coax antennas for Wi-Fi? In-Reply-To: <00bc01c3b072$189e1740$6601a8c0@stratlap2> References: <00bc01c3b072$189e1740$6601a8c0@stratlap2> Message-ID: <20031121234110.GV21392@techmonkeys.org> I've seen the stuff advertised, but it was too expensive to even bother trying it. Let us know how it goes =) On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 02:56:15PM -0600, Mike Ellsworth wrote: > I've had leaky coax recommended to me for a long hallway install, and there > seem to be two schools of thought: it works; it doesn't. [snip] -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From andyw at pobox.com Fri Nov 21 20:51:34 2003 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:07 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] What do you all think of leaky coax antennas for Wi-Fi? In-Reply-To: <20031121234110.GV21392@techmonkeys.org>; from poptix@techmonkeys.org on Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 05:41:11PM -0600 References: <00bc01c3b072$189e1740$6601a8c0@stratlap2> <20031121234110.GV21392@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20031121205134.A14181@florence.linkmargin.com> Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > I've seen the stuff advertised, but it was too expensive to even bother trying > it. Let us know how it goes =) > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 02:56:15PM -0600, Mike Ellsworth wrote: > > I've had leaky coax recommended to me for a long hallway install, and there > > seem to be two schools of thought: it works; it doesn't. I've not heard firsthand of one good 2.4GHz install with the stuff. I particularly doubt it's effectiveness in a duplex environment - I think it is more useful in a broadcast environment. Is the hallway straight ? Any compelling reason not to stick a small panel antenna at one end ? -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From mellsworth at stratvantage.com Fri Nov 21 23:40:48 2003 From: mellsworth at stratvantage.com (Mike Ellsworth) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:07 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] What do you all think of leaky coax antennas for Wi-Fi? In-Reply-To: <20031121205134.A14181@florence.linkmargin.com> Message-ID: <003d01c3b0bb$2eb654e0$6601a8c0@stratlap2> Andy, The hallways are straight and I feel like we can get good coverage through other means. I'm just checking out the suggestion that leaky coax or a distributed antenna might provide better coverage or a better price point. It's not sounding like that's going to be the case. Thanks for the info. Mike Ellsworth StratVantage Consulting, LLC Helping Successful Companies Make Winning Technology Decisions 8273 Westwood Hills Curve St. Louis Park, MN 55426 952-525-1584 mellsworth@stratvantage.com www.StratVantage.com Get a free one-hour wireless network evaluation. Forward this message to freebie@theWiMAXGuys.com www.TheWiMAXGuys.com ? ? They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ? Ben Franklin, ~1784 -----Original Message----- From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org] On Behalf Of Andy Warner Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:52 PM To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List Subject: Re: [TCWUG] What do you all think of leaky coax antennas for Wi-Fi? Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > I've seen the stuff advertised, but it was too expensive to even bother trying > it. Let us know how it goes =) > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 02:56:15PM -0600, Mike Ellsworth wrote: > > I've had leaky coax recommended to me for a long hallway install, and there > > seem to be two schools of thought: it works; it doesn't. I've not heard firsthand of one good 2.4GHz install with the stuff. I particularly doubt it's effectiveness in a duplex environment - I think it is more useful in a broadcast environment. Is the hallway straight ? Any compelling reason not to stick a small panel antenna at one end ? -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From dieman at ringworld.org Sat Nov 22 00:57:36 2003 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:07 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: What do you all think of leaky coax antennas for Wi-Fi? In-Reply-To: <20031121205134.A14181@florence.linkmargin.com> References: <00bc01c3b072$189e1740$6601a8c0@stratlap2> <20031121234110.GV21392@techmonkeys.org> <20031121205134.A14181@florence.linkmargin.com> Message-ID: <20031122065736.GE21282@ringworld.org> BTW, when IETF was here they had an outdoor phased array antenna to cover some areas outside the hotel, including Brit's Pub. Supposedly it worked failry well. The unit is quite spendy, but it sounded like it has a few AP's in it and gets something like 120deg coverage. I didn't have a chance to try it out, though. http://www.vivato.net/prod_tech_overview.html * Andy Warner [031121 21:06]: > Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > I've seen the stuff advertised, but it was too expensive to even bother trying > > it. Let us know how it goes =) > > > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 02:56:15PM -0600, Mike Ellsworth wrote: > > > I've had leaky coax recommended to me for a long hallway install, and there > > > seem to be two schools of thought: it works; it doesn't. > > I've not heard firsthand of one good 2.4GHz install with the stuff. I > particularly doubt it's effectiveness in a duplex environment - I think > it is more useful in a broadcast environment. > > Is the hallway straight ? Any compelling reason not to stick > a small panel antenna at one end ? > -- > andyw@pobox.com > > Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > -- Scott Dier KC0OBS http://www.ringworld.org/ Free USA from energy dependence, http://www.apolloalliance.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Sat Nov 22 09:26:01 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:07 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: What do you all think of leaky coax antennas for Wi-Fi? In-Reply-To: <20031122065736.GE21282@ringworld.org> References: <00bc01c3b072$189e1740$6601a8c0@stratlap2> <20031121234110.GV21392@techmonkeys.org> <20031121205134.A14181@florence.linkmargin.com> <20031122065736.GE21282@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20031122152601.GA38083@botwerks.org> i was really curious to try that out and went out and tried it from the park by orchestra hall and along the front of the hilton. color me unimpressed, but candidly the weather for IETF wasn't all that conducive to hanging outside and "chillin'" with your laptop. coverage inside this time around was equally spotty. given the spectrum involved here color me a tad sceptical on this stuff until the signal processing gets better. when last we saw our hero (Saturday, Nov 22, 2003), Scott Dier was madly tapping out: > BTW, when IETF was here they had an outdoor phased array antenna to > cover some areas outside the hotel, including Brit's Pub. > Supposedly it worked failry well. The unit is quite spendy, but it > sounded like it has a few AP's in it and gets something like 120deg > coverage. I didn't have a chance to try it out, though. > > http://www.vivato.net/prod_tech_overview.html > > * Andy Warner [031121 21:06]: > > Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > > > I've seen the stuff advertised, but it was too expensive to even > > > bother trying it. Let us know how it goes =) > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 02:56:15PM -0600, Mike Ellsworth wrote: > > > > I've had leaky coax recommended to me for a long hallway > > > > install, and there seem to be two schools of thought: it > > > > works; it doesn't. > > > > I've not heard firsthand of one good 2.4GHz install with the > > stuff. I particularly doubt it's effectiveness in a duplex > > environment - I think it is more useful in a broadcast > > environment. > > > > Is the hallway straight ? Any compelling reason not to stick a > > small panel antenna at one end ? { snipped - misc .signatures } -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From andyw at pobox.com Sat Nov 22 18:13:54 2003 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:07 2005 Subject: Vivato (was Re: [TCWUG] Re: What do you all think of leaky coax antennas for Wi-Fi?) In-Reply-To: <20031122152601.GA38083@botwerks.org>; from sulrich@botwerks.org on Sat, Nov 22, 2003 at 09:26:01AM -0600 References: <00bc01c3b072$189e1740$6601a8c0@stratlap2> <20031121234110.GV21392@techmonkeys.org> <20031121205134.A14181@florence.linkmargin.com> <20031122065736.GE21282@ringworld.org> <20031122152601.GA38083@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <20031122181354.A17180@florence.linkmargin.com> steve ulrich wrote: > > i was really curious to try that out and went out and tried it from > the park by orchestra hall and along the front of the hilton. color > me unimpressed, but candidly the weather for IETF wasn't all that > conducive to hanging outside and "chillin'" with your laptop. > coverage inside this time around was equally spotty. > > given the spectrum involved here color me a tad sceptical on this > stuff until the signal processing gets better. >From what I know of the [origina] Vivato product, I have trouble believing that it will scale well. If it is still attempting dynamic beam steering to increase the effective range/throughput, I have to wonder what the graph of against looks like. Perhaps they have modified their approach, and are now more of an exercise in integration (4 APs, 1 package, 1 antenna, 1 management headache.) The cellular industry learned long ago that spatial frequency re-use (reducing cell size) was the best way to increase the number of supported users and call quality as the user base increased.) If there is some particular Vivato secret-sauce, I'd be intrigued to learn more about it, and whether it has it's roots in phased-array radar processing. > when last we saw our hero (Saturday, Nov 22, 2003), > Scott Dier was madly tapping out: > > BTW, when IETF was here they had an outdoor phased array antenna to > > cover some areas outside the hotel, including Brit's Pub. > > Supposedly it worked failry well. The unit is quite spendy, but it > > sounded like it has a few AP's in it and gets something like 120deg > > coverage. I didn't have a chance to try it out, though. > > > > http://www.vivato.net/prod_tech_overview.html > [...] -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From ben at nerp.net Sat Nov 22 23:01:25 2003 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:07 2005 Subject: Vivato (was Re: [TCWUG] Re: What do you all think of leaky coax antennas for Wi-Fi?) In-Reply-To: <20031122181354.A17180@florence.linkmargin.com> References: <00bc01c3b072$189e1740$6601a8c0@stratlap2> <20031121234110.GV21392@techmonkeys.org> <20031121205134.A14181@florence.linkmargin.com> <20031122065736.GE21282@ringworld.org> <20031122152601.GA38083@botwerks.org> <20031122181354.A17180@florence.linkmargin.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 that's exactly what it is.. it's a phased array antenna, with 13 independant radios. I was up on the roof talking to the installer at the hilton downtown.. 25 stories up on top of the hilton, and it was talking to standard nic cards walking down nicolet ave. really cool stuff.. we would have been able to get better coverage if we could have put the thing closer to the edge of the roof. - -ben "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/wD8nflzKmtpiQEMRAjHIAJ9oP80gkbEpae40PHSsCIssSdH1+ACdG/Zo mdXhEDtJ6mQVzgOkVWtffFk= =krZ5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Sat Nov 22 23:36:26 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:07 2005 Subject: Vivato (was Re: [TCWUG] Re: What do you all think of leaky coax antennas for Wi-Fi?) In-Reply-To: References: <00bc01c3b072$189e1740$6601a8c0@stratlap2> <20031121234110.GV21392@techmonkeys.org> <20031121205134.A14181@florence.linkmargin.com> <20031122065736.GE21282@ringworld.org> <20031122152601.GA38083@botwerks.org> <20031122181354.A17180@florence.linkmargin.com> Message-ID: <20031123053626.GA49467@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Saturday, Nov 22, 2003), Ben Kochie was madly tapping out: > that's exactly what it is.. it's a phased array antenna, with 13 > independant radios. I was up on the roof talking to the installer > at the hilton downtown.. 25 stories up on top of the hilton, and it > was talking to standard nic cards walking down nicolet ave. really > cool stuff.. we would have been able to get better coverage if we > could have put the thing closer to the edge of the roof. hmm - this makes sense. there's not a tremendous amount you can do relative to the issues of LOS but micromanagement of spatial frequency might be a pretty effective means to accomplish this. interesting approach. { snipped - misc .signatures } -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From andyw at pobox.com Sun Nov 23 00:30:38 2003 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:07 2005 Subject: Vivato (was Re: [TCWUG] Re: What do you all think of leaky coax antennas for Wi-Fi?) In-Reply-To: <20031123053626.GA49467@botwerks.org>; from sulrich@botwerks.org on Sat, Nov 22, 2003 at 11:36:26PM -0600 References: <00bc01c3b072$189e1740$6601a8c0@stratlap2> <20031121234110.GV21392@techmonkeys.org> <20031121205134.A14181@florence.linkmargin.com> <20031122065736.GE21282@ringworld.org> <20031122152601.GA38083@botwerks.org> <20031122181354.A17180@florence.linkmargin.com> <20031123053626.GA49467@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <20031123003038.A18094@florence.linkmargin.com> > [Ben & Steve snipped...] There was a point in the past when I understood they were claiming to actively steer/focus the beam, rather than simply being a highly integrated, flexible platform. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From kaze0010 at umn.edu Sun Nov 23 01:06:28 2003 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:07 2005 Subject: Vivato (was Re: [TCWUG] Re: What do you all think of leaky coaxantennas for Wi-Fi?) In-Reply-To: <20031123003038.A18094@florence.linkmargin.com> References: <20031123053626.GA49467@botwerks.org> <00bc01c3b072$189e1740$6601a8c0@stratlap2> <20031121234110.GV21392@techmonkeys.org> <20031121205134.A14181@florence.linkmargin.com> <20031122065736.GE21282@ringworld.org> <20031122152601.GA38083@botwerks.org> <20031122181354.A17180@florence.linkmargin.com> <20031123053626.GA49467@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20031123010628.01a33660@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> At 12:30 AM 11/23/2003 -0600, you wrote: >> [Ben & Steve snipped...] >There was a point in the past when I understood they >were claiming to actively steer/focus the beam, rather >than simply being a highly integrated, flexible platform. > >-- >andyw@pobox.com > >Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 Their site still says this, but would it require moveable parts to perform the antenna steering, or can this be handled similar to the way a CRT's electron gun magnetically steers an electron beam? >From http://www.vivato.net/prod_tech_technology.html : Vivato's Wi-Fi switches deliver the power of network switching with Vivato genius radio antennas. Vivato's switches use phased-array radio antennas to create highly directed, narrow beams of Wi-Fi transmissions. The Wi-Fi beams are created on a packet-by-packet basis. Vivato calls this technology PacketSteering?. Unlike current wireless LAN broadcasting, Vivato's switched beam is focused in a controlled pattern and pointed precisely at the desired client device. These narrow beams of Wi-Fi enable simultaneous Wi-Fi transmissions to many devices in different directions, thus enabling parallel operations to many users - the essence of Wi-Fi switching. These narrow beams also reduce co-channel interference, since they are powered only when needed. Vivato's Wi-Fi switches significantly increase the range of Wi-Fi. Rather than transmit the radio energy in all directions, Vivato's PacketSteering concentrates the same amount of energy into a narrow, long beam. This beam is effectively a high-gain antenna that is formed for the duration of a packet transmission. The result is extreme range - extending the reach of Wi-Fi from tens of meters to kilometers. http://www.vivato.net/press/press02162003.html The list price for the Vivato 2.4 GHz Indoor Wi-Fi Switch is $8,995 and it will be available through Vivato Value Added Resellers in May 2003. A reseller: http://www.micro-wifi.com/vivato.html The outdoor switch is "List Price $13,995". Ouch. "If you're reading this, read it again." _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From andyw at pobox.com Sun Nov 23 01:53:47 2003 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:07 2005 Subject: Vivato (was Re: [TCWUG] Re: What do you all think of leaky coaxantennas for Wi-Fi?) In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20031123010628.01a33660@kaze0010.email.umn.edu>; from kaze0010@umn.edu on Sun, Nov 23, 2003 at 01:06:28AM -0600 References: <00bc01c3b072$189e1740$6601a8c0@stratlap2> <20031121234110.GV21392@techmonkeys.org> <20031121205134.A14181@florence.linkmargin.com> <20031122065736.GE21282@ringworld.org> <20031122152601.GA38083@botwerks.org> <20031122181354.A17180@florence.linkmargin.com> <20031123053626.GA49467@botwerks.org> <20031123003038.A18094@florence.linkmargin.com> <3.0.5.32.20031123010628.01a33660@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20031123015347.B18094@florence.linkmargin.com> Haudy Kazemi wrote: > [...] > Their site still says this, but would it require moveable parts to perform > the antenna steering, or can this be handled similar to the way a CRT's > electron gun magnetically steers an electron beam? > [vivato pr deleted...] Sort of like a CRT, no moving parts. A phased array controls the direction the beam is focussed by containing many, many tiny antennae and modifying the order in which each receives the signal (we're talking miniscule delays here.) The fact that you are controlling the pattern by controlling the phase of the signal to a myriad small(*) antennae is what gives these their name. The idea that it can learn and modify the direction in real-time on a per-client basis is certainly implied by the text, although a static beam pattern would also match their prose. footnote (*) I mean small, in relation to the size of the antenna as a unit, phased arrays can be as large as an office building: http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/program/soviet/hen_house.htm -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tommyo at dolemite.org Tue Nov 25 18:16:35 2003 From: tommyo at dolemite.org (Tom O'Neill) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:07 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] how can i access the maps.tcwug.org Message-ID: <002601c3b3b2$8e519e10$0201a8c0@platinumpersonals.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From leaf at real-time.com Tue Nov 25 18:27:45 2003 From: leaf at real-time.com (Rick Tanner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:08 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] how can i access the maps.tcwug.org In-Reply-To: <002601c3b3b2$8e519e10$0201a8c0@platinumpersonals.com> References: <002601c3b3b2$8e519e10$0201a8c0@platinumpersonals.com> Message-ID: Hello Tom, On Tue, 25 Nov 2003, Tom O'Neill wrote: > HOw can i get a login and password for maps.tcwug.org Unless the "procedure" has changed.. http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/2002-June/000657.html Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: With this happening, and other issues I've had with a certain wireless ISP continually attempting to mirror the entire site, along with a members of tcwug expressing concerns about random users being able to find their home address, http://maps.tcwug.org will be moving to username/password based authentication. I had planned on doing this to a lesser degree for node editing but at this point I'm simply going to lock the entire site down. So, at this point I'm going to ask that people wanting to participate e-mail me a username/password (username being your email address), MAKE SURE THE PASSWORD IS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU VALUE, not only will I have this password, but for the time being it will be sent in plain text to the server for HTTP auth. Feel free to PGP encrypt your message to me, my key is in my sig below. At a later date there will be a page (https) that you can change this password at, which will integrate with a NoCatAuth database for authentication. If you're using the wireless ISP that's currently abusing the network that maps.tcwug.org runs on, you will not be granted access at this time, I apologize. (No, it's not Implex) -- Rick Tanner | Phone : (952) 943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952) 943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From KROLFZEN at mn.rr.com Sat Nov 29 10:55:43 2003 From: KROLFZEN at mn.rr.com (Toni Decker) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:08 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Fwd: Dunn Bros. on third Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From ben at nerp.net Sat Nov 29 11:12:49 2003 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:08 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Fwd: Dunn Bros. on third In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 yes.. we've had trouble with the new airport extreme cards. since they are 802.11g pre-spec, they are not 100% compatable with 802.11b. This was a poor design decision on apple's part. One of the problems with early adopter syndrome. There may be firmware updates for the dunn bro's AP's that would fix the problem, but I have not heard of anyone getting them to update. Also, there may be apple updates to the cards.. - -ben "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sat, 29 Nov 2003, Toni Decker wrote: > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Toni Decker > > Date: November 29, 2003 7:35:04 AM CST > > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > > Subject: Dunn Bros. on third > > > > Are there any new mac powerbook users out there experiencing an > > inability to get online at the Dunn Bros. on third. I have been in > > there 3 times and have not been able to get online. I see the signal > > is strong on my airport card and it's finding pc speed as the network > > and giving me an ip address, but when I try to use my browser I get > > the message server can't be found. I've spoken with other new > > powerbook owners and they have the same problem. For some reason > > it's doesn't seem to affect the old powerbooks or the iBooks. This > > is the only wifi location that I"ve had this problem and I would > > really like to resolve it. > > > > Any help would greatly be appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/yNOVflzKmtpiQEMRAkSCAJ9WeA4fnWCriNc4OfGfJbdXGD64HwCePrSu 0zOx2HxGNO53Och25MHzQIc= =fa78 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From mellsworth at stratvantage.com Sat Nov 29 14:10:46 2003 From: mellsworth at stratvantage.com (Mike Ellsworth) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:08 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Fwd: Dunn Bros. on third In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002601c3b6b4$e23b9530$6601a8c0@stratlap2> I've had the same problem with my Linksys G card, and I've updated it to the latest drivers and firmware. In fact, now that I think of it, I used to be able to get on that AP and perhaps updating the firmware is what has caused the problem. Anyway, it's not limited to Apple's G, nor, as far as I'm concerned, any design decision Apple made. I can associate with APs in every other Dunn Bros. I've tried, except for the Como Ave. location, which appears to have the same problem. As a result, I always travel with a backup B card. Perhaps someone would like to approach Dunn Bros. and/or SurfThing on behalf of the group? Mike Ellsworth StratVantage Consulting, LLC Helping Successful Companies Make Winning Technology Decisions 8273 Westwood Hills Curve St. Louis Park, MN 55426 952-525-1584 mellsworth@stratvantage.com www.StratVantage.com Get a free one-hour wireless network evaluation. Forward this message to freebie@theWiMAXGuys.com www.TheWiMAXGuys.com ? ? They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ? Ben Franklin, ~1784 -----Original Message----- From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org] On Behalf Of Ben Kochie Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 11:13 AM To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Fwd: Dunn Bros. on third -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 yes.. we've had trouble with the new airport extreme cards. since they are 802.11g pre-spec, they are not 100% compatable with 802.11b. This was a poor design decision on apple's part. One of the problems with early adopter syndrome. There may be firmware updates for the dunn bro's AP's that would fix the problem, but I have not heard of anyone getting them to update. Also, there may be apple updates to the cards.. - -ben "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sat, 29 Nov 2003, Toni Decker wrote: > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Toni Decker > > Date: November 29, 2003 7:35:04 AM CST > > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > > Subject: Dunn Bros. on third > > > > Are there any new mac powerbook users out there experiencing an > > inability to get online at the Dunn Bros. on third. I have been in > > there 3 times and have not been able to get online. I see the signal > > is strong on my airport card and it's finding pc speed as the network > > and giving me an ip address, but when I try to use my browser I get > > the message server can't be found. I've spoken with other new > > powerbook owners and they have the same problem. For some reason > > it's doesn't seem to affect the old powerbooks or the iBooks. This > > is the only wifi location that I"ve had this problem and I would > > really like to resolve it. > > > > Any help would greatly be appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/yNOVflzKmtpiQEMRAkSCAJ9WeA4fnWCriNc4OfGfJbdXGD64HwCePrSu 0zOx2HxGNO53Och25MHzQIc= =fa78 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From KROLFZEN at mn.rr.com Sat Nov 29 14:32:28 2003 From: KROLFZEN at mn.rr.com (Keith C. Rolfzen) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:08 2005 Subject: FW: [TCWUG] Fwd: Dunn Bros. on third In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ------ Forwarded Message From: Keith C. Rolfzen Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 14:27:29 -0600 To: Subject: [TCWUG] Fwd: Dunn Bros. on third I have contacted the people at pc speed and made them aware of the problem. I believe it to be there router and they plan on switching it out on their next visit. Hopefully that will cure our ills and we can surf on in. ------ End of Forwarded Message _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From Greg at SurfThing.com Sun Nov 30 14:16:59 2003 From: Greg at SurfThing.com (Greg Wallgren) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:08 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] RE: tcwug-list Digest, Vol 2, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001c01c3b77e$ef0b8de0$d8ec1d41@Zeus> G on the B, Hello from SurfThing, we don't control the Dunn Bros at 3rd and Washington (The Depot) or 530 University Ave, but I would be happy talk with the PCSpeed guys about the firmware versions in those locations. Better yet, if anyone having this issue and would like a cup of coffee or three I'd be happy to meet at one of our other locations http://surfthing.com/advertising/Locations.htm where we could play with the firmware versions. I think I have every version since they come on the market on my laptop. Greg Wallgren greg@surfthing.com -------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 14:10:46 -0600 From: "Mike Ellsworth" Subject: RE: [TCWUG] Fwd: Dunn Bros. on third To: "'Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List'" Message-ID: <002601c3b6b4$e23b9530$6601a8c0@stratlap2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've had the same problem with my Linksys G card, and I've updated it to the latest drivers and firmware. In fact, now that I think of it, I used to be able to get on that AP and perhaps updating the firmware is what has caused the problem. Anyway, it's not limited to Apple's G, nor, as far as I'm concerned, any design decision Apple made. I can associate with APs in every other Dunn Bros. I've tried, except for the Como Ave. location, which appears to have the same problem. As a result, I always travel with a backup B card. Perhaps someone would like to approach Dunn Bros. and/or SurfThing on behalf of the group? Mike Ellsworth StratVantage Consulting, LLC Helping Successful Companies Make Winning Technology Decisions 8273 Westwood Hills Curve St. Louis Park, MN 55426 952-525-1584 mellsworth@stratvantage.com www.StratVantage.com Get a free one-hour wireless network evaluation. Forward this message to freebie@theWiMAXGuys.com www.TheWiMAXGuys.com ? ? They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ? Ben Franklin, ~1784 -----Original Message----- From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org] On Behalf Of Ben Kochie Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 11:13 AM To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Fwd: Dunn Bros. on third -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 yes.. we've had trouble with the new airport extreme cards. since they are 802.11g pre-spec, they are not 100% compatable with 802.11b. This was a poor design decision on apple's part. One of the problems with early adopter syndrome. There may be firmware updates for the dunn bro's AP's that would fix the problem, but I have not heard of anyone getting them to update. Also, there may be apple updates to the cards.. - -ben "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sat, 29 Nov 2003, Toni Decker wrote: > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Toni Decker > > Date: November 29, 2003 7:35:04 AM CST > > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > > Subject: Dunn Bros. on third > > > > Are there any new mac powerbook users out there experiencing an > > inability to get online at the Dunn Bros. on third. I have been in > > there 3 times and have not been able to get online. I see the signal > > is strong on my airport card and it's finding pc speed as the network > > and giving me an ip address, but when I try to use my browser I get > > the message server can't be found. I've spoken with other new > > powerbook owners and they have the same problem. For some reason > > it's doesn't seem to affect the old powerbooks or the iBooks. This > > is the only wifi location that I"ve had this problem and I would > > really like to resolve it. > > > > Any help would greatly be appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/yNOVflzKmtpiQEMRAkSCAJ9WeA4fnWCriNc4OfGfJbdXGD64HwCePrSu 0zOx2HxGNO53Och25MHzQIc= =fa78 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 14:32:28 -0600 From: "Keith C. Rolfzen" Subject: FW: [TCWUG] Fwd: Dunn Bros. on third To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" ------ Forwarded Message From: Keith C. Rolfzen Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 14:27:29 -0600 To: Subject: [TCWUG] Fwd: Dunn Bros. on third I have contacted the people at pc speed and made them aware of the problem. I believe it to be there router and they plan on switching it out on their next visit. Hopefully that will cure our ills and we can surf on in. ------ End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ tcwug-list mailing list tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list End of tcwug-list Digest, Vol 2, Issue 19 ***************************************** _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From mellsworth at stratvantage.com Sun Nov 30 15:08:13 2003 From: mellsworth at stratvantage.com (Mike Ellsworth) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:09 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] RE: tcwug-list Digest, Vol 2, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: <001c01c3b77e$ef0b8de0$d8ec1d41@Zeus> Message-ID: <009301c3b786$126b7a00$6601a8c0@stratlap2> Greg, You guys have the wired PCs at Dunn @ 3rd, but not the wireless? That's an interesting arrangement. Mike Ellsworth StratVantage Consulting, LLC Helping Successful Companies Make Winning Technology Decisions 8273 Westwood Hills Curve St. Louis Park, MN 55426 952-525-1584 mellsworth@stratvantage.com www.StratVantage.com Get a free one-hour wireless network evaluation. Forward this message to freebie@theWiMAXGuys.com www.TheWiMAXGuys.com ? ? They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ? Ben Franklin, ~1784 -----Original Message----- From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org] On Behalf Of Greg Wallgren Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 2:17 PM To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Subject: [TCWUG] RE: tcwug-list Digest, Vol 2, Issue 19 G on the B, Hello from SurfThing, we don't control the Dunn Bros at 3rd and Washington (The Depot) or 530 University Ave, but I would be happy talk with the PCSpeed guys about the firmware versions in those locations. Better yet, if anyone having this issue and would like a cup of coffee or three I'd be happy to meet at one of our other locations http://surfthing.com/advertising/Locations.htm where we could play with the firmware versions. I think I have every version since they come on the market on my laptop. Greg Wallgren greg@surfthing.com -------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 14:10:46 -0600 From: "Mike Ellsworth" Subject: RE: [TCWUG] Fwd: Dunn Bros. on third To: "'Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List'" Message-ID: <002601c3b6b4$e23b9530$6601a8c0@stratlap2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've had the same problem with my Linksys G card, and I've updated it to the latest drivers and firmware. In fact, now that I think of it, I used to be able to get on that AP and perhaps updating the firmware is what has caused the problem. Anyway, it's not limited to Apple's G, nor, as far as I'm concerned, any design decision Apple made. I can associate with APs in every other Dunn Bros. I've tried, except for the Como Ave. location, which appears to have the same problem. As a result, I always travel with a backup B card. Perhaps someone would like to approach Dunn Bros. and/or SurfThing on behalf of the group? Mike Ellsworth StratVantage Consulting, LLC Helping Successful Companies Make Winning Technology Decisions 8273 Westwood Hills Curve St. Louis Park, MN 55426 952-525-1584 mellsworth@stratvantage.com www.StratVantage.com Get a free one-hour wireless network evaluation. Forward this message to freebie@theWiMAXGuys.com www.TheWiMAXGuys.com ? ? They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ? Ben Franklin, ~1784 -----Original Message----- From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org] On Behalf Of Ben Kochie Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 11:13 AM To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Fwd: Dunn Bros. on third -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 yes.. we've had trouble with the new airport extreme cards. since they are 802.11g pre-spec, they are not 100% compatable with 802.11b. This was a poor design decision on apple's part. One of the problems with early adopter syndrome. There may be firmware updates for the dunn bro's AP's that would fix the problem, but I have not heard of anyone getting them to update. Also, there may be apple updates to the cards.. - -ben "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sat, 29 Nov 2003, Toni Decker wrote: > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Toni Decker > > Date: November 29, 2003 7:35:04 AM CST > > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > > Subject: Dunn Bros. on third > > > > Are there any new mac powerbook users out there experiencing an > > inability to get online at the Dunn Bros. on third. I have been in > > there 3 times and have not been able to get online. I see the signal > > is strong on my airport card and it's finding pc speed as the network > > and giving me an ip address, but when I try to use my browser I get > > the message server can't be found. I've spoken with other new > > powerbook owners and they have the same problem. For some reason > > it's doesn't seem to affect the old powerbooks or the iBooks. This > > is the only wifi location that I"ve had this problem and I would > > really like to resolve it. > > > > Any help would greatly be appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/yNOVflzKmtpiQEMRAkSCAJ9WeA4fnWCriNc4OfGfJbdXGD64HwCePrSu 0zOx2HxGNO53Och25MHzQIc= =fa78 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 14:32:28 -0600 From: "Keith C. Rolfzen" Subject: FW: [TCWUG] Fwd: Dunn Bros. on third To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" ------ Forwarded Message From: Keith C. Rolfzen Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 14:27:29 -0600 To: Subject: [TCWUG] Fwd: Dunn Bros. on third I have contacted the people at pc speed and made them aware of the problem. I believe it to be there router and they plan on switching it out on their next visit. Hopefully that will cure our ills and we can surf on in. ------ End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ tcwug-list mailing list tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list End of tcwug-list Digest, Vol 2, Issue 19 ***************************************** _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tedr at rattei.org Sun Nov 30 23:31:09 2003 From: tedr at rattei.org (Ted Rattei) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:09 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] RE: tcwug-list Digest, Vol 2, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: <001c01c3b77e$ef0b8de0$d8ec1d41@Zeus> References: <001c01c3b77e$ef0b8de0$d8ec1d41@Zeus> Message-ID: <916461F8-23BF-11D8-8476-000A95A53942@rattei.org> On Nov 30, 2003, at 2:16 PM, Greg Wallgren wrote: > G on the B, > Hello from SurfThing, we don't control the Dunn Bros at 3rd and > Washington > (The Depot) or 530 University Ave, but I would be happy talk with the > PCSpeed guys about the firmware versions in those locations. Better > yet, if > anyone having this issue and would like a cup of coffee or three I'd be > happy to meet at one of our other locations > http://surfthing.com/advertising/Locations.htm where we could play > with the > firmware versions. I think I have every version since they come on the > market on my laptop. I'd be glad to meet with you. Sometime either Monday, 12/1 morning or early afternoon, or Wednesday morning sometime would work. I have a PowerBook G4 with the AirPort Extreme card (802.11g) and the newest software (AirPort 3.2) running under Mac OS X 10.3. Let me know if and when you would like to meet. Ted -- Ted Rattei tedr@rattei.org 612-201-2393 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From KROLFZEN at mn.rr.com Sat Nov 29 07:35:04 2003 From: KROLFZEN at mn.rr.com (Toni Decker) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:09 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Dunn Bros. on third Message-ID: Are there any new mac powerbook users out there experiencing an inability to get online at the Dunn Bros. on third. I have been in there 3 times and have not been able to get online. I see the signal is strong on my airport card and it's finding pc speed as the network and giving me an ip address, but when I try to use my browser I get the message server can't be found. I've spoken with other new powerbook owners and they have the same problem. For some reason it's doesn't seem to affect the old powerbooks or the iBooks. This is the only wifi location that I"ve had this problem and I would really like to resolve it. Any help would greatly be appreciated. Thanks _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list