I agree with Chuck about the need to be a real organization. I'm a bit
worried about liability that efforts such as the Loring Park project can
involve. What if one of the volunteers falls, dies, and the family goes
looking for someone to sue. Without a formal organization, liability can't
be limited (I'm not saying it's tremendously better even with an org) and
lawyers will go looking for fat pockets among the "membership," which right
now is everyone on this list.

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-----Original Message-----
From: tcwug-list-bounces at tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces at tcwug.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Cole
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 10:56 PM
To: TCWUG-List
Subject: FW: [TCWUG] 7th Question: Minneapolis Park & Rec'n Board's
RFP(deadline, etc.)

oops: meant to post my reply..

-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Cole [mailto:cncole at earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 3:34 PM
To: Leif Pihl
Subject: RE: [TCWUG] 7th Question: Minneapolis Park & Rec'n Board's RFP
(deadline, etc.)




> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leif Pihl [mailto:leif at pihl.us]
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 2:04 PM
>
> >------------------------------
> >
> >Message: 2
> >Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:49:53 -0600
> >From: "Chuck Cole" <cncole at earthlink.net>
> >
> >TCWUG is not an entity in business terms, so it cannot respond
> >legally.  No Park & Rec Board person that did a basic check would be
> >likely to respond because TCWUG, being a non-entity, cannot take any
> >responsibility in the community.
>
>
> Excuse me, but I think you've misunderstood.
>
> I do NOT mean that we should get involved in the building of the network.
> I _DO_  think that we should get involved in the EVALUATION or or
> other sorts of public comment phases of the MP&RB's procurement
> process.
>
> LP


Maybe, but it may be the reverse...   Park & Rec is unlikely to acknowledge
ANY responses from a group that is not a recognizable
entity - except as a very shallow courtesy.  By procurement law, they cannot
- especially now with an active RFP schedule.
Commenting as an individual or making unsolicited comments that can be put
in the circular file is gonna be OK though  :-)

They may contract registered consultants or corporations to do separate
system evaluations, and they may have a means to accept an
"unsolicited proposal", but they won't take info "off the street" as would
be the case for TCWUG or TCLUG to submit something.  I
would expect the Park & Rec Board to have a designated means for evaluations
(ie, a contracted or internal review panel) and not
review much themselves except a final recommendation on the RFP responses by
that designated panel.  Having a closed and structured
review process is also a usual legal requirement for procurements.

Coming to one of our meetings is not proper now.  Members of the Park & Rec
Board won't care much about the techie part of a WiFi
project, and members of their review panel would not be permitted to discuss
anything related until this whole RFP cycle (submission
through evaluations) is completed.  We should know who to invite and when to
invite them.


Don't misunderstand MY point: I think TCWUG should define itself as a
non-profit that could be an acceptable commentator or
contributor to such public works.  It may not be in TCWUG's best interest to
respond when there is no criterion of charter or
membership or qualification or submission other than "some hobbyists" who
respond randomly.  TCWUG may earn a reputation as a "loose
cannon" that must be "handled".

Chuck



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