From mgenelin at fastcomputerserviceco.com Mon Jun 29 19:34:49 2009 From: mgenelin at fastcomputerserviceco.com (Matthew Genelin) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:34:49 -0500 Subject: [tcwug-list] maps.tcwug.org down? Message-ID: Hey Gang- Wow. Long time no post (from me). Did maps.tcwug.org take a dive? My end of the internet appears to no longer find it. -matt -- ----- Matthew Genelin Fast Computer Service Co. 612-605-5382 2010 E. Hennepin Ave, Suite 8-122, Box 1 Minneapolis, MN 55413-2760 fastcomputerserviceco.com From kaze0010 at umn.edu Mon Jun 29 20:17:02 2009 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:17:02 -0500 Subject: [tcwug-list] maps.tcwug.org down? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A49678E.8060805@umn.edu> I guess it did. Last I heard it was quite outdated....not unlike the main website itself. I don't think meetings have actually taken place anytime recently. Matthew Genelin wrote: > Hey Gang- > > Wow. Long time no post (from me). Did maps.tcwug.org take a dive? My > end of the internet appears to no longer find it. > > -matt > > From kaze0010 at umn.edu Mon Jun 29 20:45:32 2009 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:45:32 -0500 Subject: [tcwug-list] maps.tcwug.org down? In-Reply-To: <4A496C03.3010306@fngi.net> References: <4A49678E.8060805@umn.edu> <4A496C03.3010306@fngi.net> Message-ID: <4A496E3C.3050400@umn.edu> Meeting dates on the website are auto-generated by a script. I haven't heard of anyone going since 2006 or 2007 as interest was fading at that time. For PBX stuff you might look into the Asterisk TC user group which usually holds meetings near University Ave and Highway 280 (although it sounds like you're from quite a ways out of town...). Tom Poe wrote: > Is there a meeting scheduled for July? I want to bring a > pbx-in-a-flash up, and get some help to set up a home network. > Tom Poe, Charles City, Iowa > P.S. There's been no action on my signup for the Forum for a few > days, now. From tompoe at fngi.net Mon Jun 29 20:36:03 2009 From: tompoe at fngi.net (Tom Poe) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:36:03 -0500 Subject: [tcwug-list] maps.tcwug.org down? In-Reply-To: <4A49678E.8060805@umn.edu> References: <4A49678E.8060805@umn.edu> Message-ID: <4A496C03.3010306@fngi.net> Haudy Kazemi wrote: > I guess it did. Last I heard it was quite outdated....not unlike the > main website itself. I don't think meetings have actually taken place > anytime recently. > > Matthew Genelin wrote: > >> Hey Gang- >> >> Wow. Long time no post (from me). Did maps.tcwug.org take a dive? My >> end of the internet appears to no longer find it. >> >> -matt >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > tcwug-list at tcwug.org > http://mailman.tcwug.org/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > Is there a meeting scheduled for July? I want to bring a pbx-in-a-flash up, and get some help to set up a home network. Tom Poe, Charles City, Iowa P.S. There's been no action on my signup for the Forum for a few days, now. From tompoe at fngi.net Mon Jun 29 21:14:35 2009 From: tompoe at fngi.net (Tom Poe) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:14:35 -0500 Subject: [tcwug-list] maps.tcwug.org down? In-Reply-To: <4A496E3C.3050400@umn.edu> References: <4A49678E.8060805@umn.edu> <4A496C03.3010306@fngi.net> <4A496E3C.3050400@umn.edu> Message-ID: <4A49750B.1090206@fngi.net> Haudy Kazemi wrote: > Meeting dates on the website are auto-generated by a script. I > haven't heard of anyone going since 2006 or 2007 as interest was > fading at that time. > > For PBX stuff you might look into the Asterisk TC user group which > usually holds meetings near University Ave and Highway 280 (although > it sounds like you're from quite a ways out of town...). > > > > Tom Poe wrote: >> Is there a meeting scheduled for July? I want to bring a >> pbx-in-a-flash up, and get some help to set up a home network. >> Tom Poe, Charles City, Iowa >> P.S. There's been no action on my signup for the Forum for a few >> days, now. > > Sorry about mixing up groups. It is the Asterisk group I'm after. Well, maybe things will heat up soon. With the FCC opening "white spaces" frequencies, and with a Gray-Hoverman antenna that pulls digital signals up to 100 miles away (it's a patent-free $10 item), and with devices coming out in the months ahead, life should be interesting. Tom From mgenelin at fastcomputerserviceco.com Tue Jun 30 00:19:54 2009 From: mgenelin at fastcomputerserviceco.com (Matthew Genelin) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:19:54 -0500 Subject: [tcwug-list] maps.tcwug.org down? In-Reply-To: <4A49678E.8060805@umn.edu> References: <4A49678E.8060805@umn.edu> Message-ID: <4867D8E5-FE5B-417B-8593-1C84D8291694@fastcomputerserviceco.com> Yeah.. Anybody want to have another meeting with this group? -matt -- ----- Matthew Genelin Fast Computer Service Co. 612-605-5382 2010 E. Hennepin Ave, Suite 8-122, Box 1 Minneapolis, MN 55413-2760 fastcomputerserviceco.com On Jun 29, 2009, at 8:17 PM, Haudy Kazemi wrote: > I guess it did. Last I heard it was quite outdated....not unlike > the main website itself. I don't think meetings have actually taken > place anytime recently. > > Matthew Genelin wrote: >> Hey Gang- >> >> Wow. Long time no post (from me). Did maps.tcwug.org take a dive? >> My end of the internet appears to no longer find it. >> >> -matt >> >> > From sulrich at botwerks.org Tue Jun 30 07:28:03 2009 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:28:03 -0500 Subject: [tcwug-list] maps.tcwug.org down? In-Reply-To: <4867D8E5-FE5B-417B-8593-1C84D8291694@fastcomputerserviceco.com> References: <4A49678E.8060805@umn.edu> <4867D8E5-FE5B-417B-8593-1C84D8291694@fastcomputerserviceco.com> Message-ID: well, i'd certainly be willing to check out another meeting, possibly even host one. however, it does beg the question, what's there to talk about? with the city of MSP wireless buildout complete, much of the impetus for creation of a wifi overlay has gone away. anyone working on anything cool? my nerd life has narrowed in focus to maximum function with minimal support headache, so i haven't had as much time to devote to nerd projects but i'd love to hear what other folks are working on. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Matthew Genelin wrote: > Yeah.. > > Anybody want to have another meeting with this group? > [snipped] > On Jun 29, 2009, at 8:17 PM, Haudy Kazemi wrote: > >> I guess it did. ?Last I heard it was quite outdated....not unlike >> the main website itself. ?I don't think meetings have actually taken >> place anytime recently. >> >> Matthew Genelin wrote: >>> Hey Gang- >>> >>> Wow. Long time no post (from me). Did maps.tcwug.org take a dive? >>> My ?end of the internet appears to no longer find it. >>> [snipped] -- steve ulrich (sulrich at botwerks.*) From chewie at wookimus.net Tue Jun 30 09:42:31 2009 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 09:42:31 -0500 Subject: [tcwug-list] maps.tcwug.org down? In-Reply-To: <4867D8E5-FE5B-417B-8593-1C84D8291694@fastcomputerserviceco.com> References: <4A49678E.8060805@umn.edu> <4867D8E5-FE5B-417B-8593-1C84D8291694@fastcomputerserviceco.com> Message-ID: <27066.1246372951@skuld.wookimus.net> Matthew Genelin wrote: > Yeah.. Anybody want to have another meeting with this group? It's still a pretty cool idea. I've got a "free" hotspot at my house, but I'm not doing anything with it, really. I've got OpenWRT on an older Linksys WRT54G. I haven't planned on spending money on the project any, but wouldn't mind playing around with the mesh networking. What was the status of this project, anyway? What about the Municipal networks? Did anything ever happen for the MPLS folks? STPL? I'm situated over in the Midway/Hamlin area if anyone's interested in peering. Chad From tompoe at fngi.net Tue Jun 30 10:00:03 2009 From: tompoe at fngi.net (Tom Poe) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:00:03 -0500 Subject: [tcwug-list] maps.tcwug.org down? In-Reply-To: References: <4A49678E.8060805@umn.edu> <4867D8E5-FE5B-417B-8593-1C84D8291694@fastcomputerserviceco.com> Message-ID: <4A4A2873.3020104@fngi.net> steve ulrich wrote: > well, i'd certainly be willing to check out another meeting, possibly > even host one. however, it does beg the question, what's there to > talk about? with the city of MSP wireless buildout complete, much of > the impetus for creation of a wifi overlay has gone away. > > anyone working on anything cool? my nerd life has narrowed in focus > to maximum function with minimal support headache, so i haven't had as > much time to devote to nerd projects but i'd love to hear what other > folks are working on. > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Matthew > Genelin wrote: > >> Yeah.. >> >> Anybody want to have another meeting with this group? >> >> > [snipped] > > >> On Jun 29, 2009, at 8:17 PM, Haudy Kazemi wrote: >> >> >>> I guess it did. Last I heard it was quite outdated....not unlike >>> the main website itself. I don't think meetings have actually taken >>> place anytime recently. >>> >>> Matthew Genelin wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Gang- >>>> >>>> Wow. Long time no post (from me). Did maps.tcwug.org take a dive? >>>> My end of the internet appears to no longer find it. >>>> >>>> > > [snipped] > > "White spaces" frequencies have opened up. Gray-Hoverman antenna is patent-free, DIY for under $10. The antennas pull signals up to 100 miles. What does that mean for wireless networks? I think it will impact on the MSP network dramatically in both terms of speed and reach. But, I am waiting for those who understand computers better than I do to explain it all. Every kid should be 24x7 with their school networks, not just school computer lab token access. There's lots to discuss. I'm far away, but would enjoy making the trip to get together and work on stuff. Tom From cncole at earthlink.net Tue Jun 30 13:16:30 2009 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:16:30 -0500 Subject: [tcwug-list] maps.tcwug.org down? In-Reply-To: <4A4A2873.3020104@fngi.net> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: tcwug-list-bounces at tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces at tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Tom Poe > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:00 AM > To: steve ulrich > Cc: tcwug-list at tcwug.org > Subject: Re: [tcwug-list] maps.tcwug.org down? > > > steve ulrich wrote: > > well, i'd certainly be willing to check out another meeting, possibly > > even host one. however, it does beg the question, what's there to > > talk about? Maybe lots of scattered topics... Anybody got a working 1 mile link to an "uncooperative" free hotspot? where "uncooperative" means one which does not have a special outside or5 directional antenna at the hotspot location. > > with the city of MSP wireless buildout complete, much of > > the impetus for creation of a wifi overlay has gone away. Is the MSP system of any use when visiting on business and not having a subscription? Is coverage good enough so subscription by a frequent visitor to many locations would be assured of coverage most anywhere? (if not, then going to a hotspot where coverage is known is best for a business rendevous) ie, is it a free service, or just a presence that discourages free hotspots? I've "seen" a rather weak signal when visiting, but been unable to connect. Maybe one or more reports on actual performance, etc, would be interesting programs - or projects. > > anyone working on anything cool? my nerd life has narrowed in focus > > to maximum function with minimal support headache, so i haven't had as > > much time to devote to nerd projects but i'd love to hear what other > > folks are working on. Having some "I did it this way" simple how-tos on the website would be good. Subnetting is one I need to get smarter on so I can add a free WiFi internet-only access to an existing secured system in an adjacent locked office by putting a router there for the PC "as it was" and the WiFi add-on. That should allow the PC at that location to be on or off, and not affect the free WiFi in a meeting room adjacent to that office. Which routers can be made to bridge or extend by picking up one SSID and transmitting a different one using only one radio and "internal smarts"? Some have that as a built-in feature that allows extending a free hot spot to just-out-of-reach meeting place, and having the option of a secured SSID at the meeting place. For temporary setups, such a repeater could be in a lunchbox with some gel-cell batteries and left out of sight for a couple of hours of meeting. Not sure there's enough interest or enough such projects... Chuck > From earl at jarosh.org Tue Jun 30 14:55:44 2009 From: earl at jarosh.org (S. Earl Jarosh) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:55:44 -0500 Subject: [tcwug-list] maps.tcwug.org down? In-Reply-To: <4A4A2873.3020104@fngi.net> References: <4A49678E.8060805@umn.edu> <4867D8E5-FE5B-417B-8593-1C84D8291694@fastcomputerserviceco.com> <4A4A2873.3020104@fngi.net> Message-ID: <001201c9f9bc$c2677de0$6a0e000a@moneyf43c653fb> That 100 mile antenna spec is based on a megawatt TV channel. White space spec is 100mw EIRP Omni and 4 watt fixed point to point. You are not going to get 100 miles at that power level with that antenna, you need to build a really long yagi. I think home built planned hot spot WIFI as we were discussing it years ago is a dead issue other than experimentation. The poorly engineered St Louis Pk fiasco proved that and with the 3g and 4g improvements to Cellular systems the Minneapolis deal can't be far behind. What's the financial ROI? The reality is the system has to pay for itself through revenue or taxes. The only viable easy to setup solution for defined boundaries is Meraki. I manage 2 of those that cover 80 acre areas and not without their own challenges. The Cisco system is a nightmare. Now there is plenty of fodder to get list hopping for a little while. S. Earl Jarosh, N0HZ V.P. of Information Technology Cell: 612.868.1313 Off: 763.545.3275 Fax: 763.546.0027 Money Centers of America, Inc. - I.T. Dept 5955 Golden Valley Rd., Suite 206 Golden Valley, MN 55422 6128681313 at cingularme.com earl at moneycenters.com www.moneycenters.com "White spaces" frequencies have opened up. Gray-Hoverman antenna is patent-free, DIY for under $10. The antennas pull signals up to 100 miles. What does that mean for wireless networks? I think it will impact on the MSP network dramatically in both terms of speed and reach. But, I am waiting for those who understand computers better than I do to explain it all. Every kid should be 24x7 with their school networks, not just school computer lab token access. There's lots to discuss. I'm far away, but would enjoy making the trip to get together and work on stuff. Tom _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota tcwug-list at tcwug.org http://mailman.tcwug.org/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From wilson at visi.com Tue Jun 30 15:10:30 2009 From: wilson at visi.com (Tim Wilson) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:10:30 -0500 Subject: [tcwug-list] Neighborhood mesh networking Message-ID: Hey everyone, It's good to see a little life breathed into this list. I'm looking for some information about the latest technology that could be used to implement a mesh network in the neighborhood around a fixed address like a school. The goal would be to provide free Internet access primarily for apartment residents. -Tim -- Tim Wilson, The Savvy Technologist Twin Cities, Minnesota, USA Educational technology guy, Linux and OS X fan, Grad. student, Daddy mailto:wilson at visi.com aim: tis270 blog: http://technosavvy.org From tompoe at fngi.net Tue Jun 30 16:13:03 2009 From: tompoe at fngi.net (Tom Poe) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:13:03 -0500 Subject: [tcwug-list] Neighborhood mesh networking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A4A7FDF.4040307@fngi.net> Tim Wilson wrote: > Hey everyone, > > It's good to see a little life breathed into this list. > > I'm looking for some information about the latest technology that > could be used to implement a mesh network in the neighborhood around a > fixed address like a school. The goal would be to provide free > Internet access primarily for apartment residents. > > -Tim > > Just saw message from S. Earl Jarosh, who is managing two projects and mentioned Meraki. Www.open-mesh.com is a non-profit spinoff of Meraki. Two ideal solutions that I would recommend. A one-time fee of $50 per unit (or less), and one or two Internet access point, which cost each month can be shared. Telcos hate that! Tom