On Sun, 12 Aug 2001 18:46:09 -0500 "Miller, John" <JMiller2 at dainrauscher.com> wrote: > Well I tried that. If we back up a bit, if eth0 is connect to a hub, > should not the hub light be lit. Yes.. unless that hub link LED is on, all bets are off for communication. It sounds like the card & hub are unable to negotiate a speed setting - I've seen that before. Sometimes the particular combination of card(s) and hub (or switch) will create negotiation issues. Oddly enough, the last time I saw a negotiation problem, it was between a Netgear 10/100 switch and a Netgear PCI NIC. The Netgear parts would negotiate if they were alone, but when the switch was daisy-chained to an second SMC 10baseT hub, they could not get along. However, I swapped in an Intel Pro/100 for the Netgear NIC, and all worked fine. In any event, until you see a link LED on both ends of the wire, don't even waste your time with drivers, etc. Until that phyical layer is happy, nothing else will work. -.bill.layer.- -.those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking.- -.frogtown.- -.minnesota.- -.u.s.a.-