I grew up in a family that owned a restaurant. I waited tables most of my life through high school, college, and during the evenings after my day job for extra cash. I no longer wait tables in the evening. I have no desire to get into a pissing match about levels of income, and what we do for a living. I believe that to be irrelevant. Except to say I am bothered by your elitist attitude toward the working class of this nation. The Guthrie lab was running a great play I saw a few weeks ago called 'Nickle and Dimed' I suggest looking into it for glimpse of the majority of your/our society. --> http://www.guthrietheater.org/act_I/show_page.cfm?id_show=18030455 I grew up watching single mothers wait tables, trying to make ends meet. These are some of the people who do this job. They are young men and women without daddy war bucks to pay their college, trying to start off in life on the right foot. You are so brave on the tc-lug mail list. I want you to go to that single mother waiting tables that didn't finish high school. From the top of your great horse explain these same ideas to them. Tell them if they don't like it they should leave. Just don't lean too far or you may fall. I don't want this to escalate to nuclear war, but because of my upbringing, my experiences, I am very passionate about this subject. I guess I would like to reiterate my main point. If anyone feels that tipping %15 is absurd, wrong, unjustified, too generous, and unnecessary then don't eat at a service establishment. Eat at McDonald's. mcd On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Michael Jentges wrote: > > And hence AUTHOR wrote: Matthew C. Dettinger > > Servers have for many, many years worked for minimum wage + tip. Society > > as a whole has generally accepted the notion that when you dine at a > > service establishment you pay the house for the food, and tip the server > > for their attention to your needs, ie. service. If an individual wants > > That's a bunch of hoo-haa. "Society?" > > > Like I said... society has generally accepted this concept, but as > > always there is the fringe with a wild ideology that tries to explain > > their cheapness away by saying, "I don't get it." > > Wild idealogy? Read my post again. No wonder the best you can do is an > untipped waiter. > > > > > It is not too big a deal if someone does not leave a tip. Just realize > > that the establishment, your friends, and anyone else who sees this > > thinks of you as being cheap, and nothing more. Regardless of your > > perception of the event. > > Finally, I never said I DIDN'T TIP. I said I don't understand the whole > concept. > Why in this and this industry only is it 'expected' the poor working stiff > that feels extravagant on payday assist your employer in paying your > salary? He's already been hit hard by uncle sam, for one thing.... > > If you don't like it, get another job. Perhaps be a checkout clerk > somewhere. I think the salary runs about the same. Let me know how the > tips are there and what happens when you call the customers derogatory > names. > > -mj > > > > > > > mcd > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > > > --------------------- > Jentges.NET, Inc. > Voice: 763.783.3702 > Cell: 763.370.1201 > --------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list > _______________________________________________ TCLUG Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.mn-linux.org tclug-list at mn-linux.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tclug-list